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From YouTube: Beacon Council Workshop 11-14-22
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The City of Beacon Council Workshop from November 14, 2022
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C
But
the
last
Workshop
you
had
asked
for
a
couple,
a
couple
additional
items
we
needed
to
fix.
One
of
the
salaries
that
had
been
omitted,
which
you'll
see
is
in
here
Susan,
was
asked
to
come
back
with
a
memo
of
what
the
average
increase
for
a
household
would
be
if
we
went
to
tax
cap.
So
she's
done
that
for
both
Homestead
and
non-homestead
and
that's
in
the
packet.
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We
wouldn't
put
it
in
this
budget.
We
said
I,
thought
well,
I
said:
let's
take
it
up
with
the
capital
plan
right,
because
then
we
can
look
at
the
whole
picture
and
say:
if
we
want
to
do
this
much
here,
then
we'll
have
to
kind
of
pin.
You
know
pair
something
back
and
then
we
can
make
the
right
choices.
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H
As
we
get
into
talking
about
the
budget,
I
realized
that
I
had
what
might
be
a
pretty
basic
question.
I
guess
for
you,
sue
of
what
the
tax
cap
actually
is,
and
particularly
is
it
a
cap
on
it's
two
percent
or
the
rate
of
in
or
the
rate
of
inflation?
Whichever
is
lower
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
on
the
total
amount
of
taxes
that
a
municipality
takes
in
or
individual
taxes
or
what.
E
That
takes
it's
on
the
total
Levy
and
there's
two
parts
to
it.
One
inflation
is
that
what
is
referred
to
as
the
two
percent,
but
there's
another
component
to
that,
and
that
is
the
tax-based
growth
factor.
So
you
take
the
prior
priority
or
tax
levy.
The
total
levied
across
Homestead
and
non-store
Homestead.
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A
Okay,
yeah,
okay,
so
it's
on
our
Levy.
That's
the
total
tax
amount
right.
When
you
see
our
budget,
you'll
see
total
expense
and
then
you'll
see
all
other
revenue
and
whatever's
left
is,
is
what
we're
going
to
impose
the
property
tax
right.
So
it's
the
levy,
it's
about
12
million,
so
let's
say
our
New
Growth,
meaning
the
buildings
that
weren't
there
in
the
last
time.
We
did
the
assessment
right
so
in
that
last
year,
this
much
bigger,
New
Growth,
not
increase
in
the
value
of
an
existing
home
right.
That's
that's
the
assessment
change.
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That
amount,
so
that's
like
on
12,
say
it's
12
million
and
say
it's
two
percent.
That
means
you
can
grow
the
levy,
240
000.,
without
raising
anyone
else's
taxes,
and
then
the
cap
is
in
addition
to
that
and
that's
set
by
the
state.
It's
not
always
two
percent,
it's
two
percent.
Unless
inflation
is
higher.
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A
E
A
Yeah
it's
on
12
million,
it's
about
you
know
200
and
something
thousand
that
we
can
add
without
adding
to
anyone's
tax
bill,
all
other
things
being
equal.
Okay
and
the
cap
you
can
exceed
the
cap.
You
just
need
a
super
majority
vote
so
for
school
budgets.
It's
because
they're
voted
on
by
the
public
I
think
it's
60,
60,
yes
to
override
and
to
impose
a
higher
increase
to
the
levy
above
the
cap
on
a
on
ours
is
voted
at
this
table.
So
I
think
it's
five
votes.
J
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E
For
the
non-homestead
there
was
no
across-the-board
increase,
because
non-homesteads
are
valued
differently.
They're,
we
were
proposing
a
9.9
tax
decrease
on
the
non
Homestead
and
for
an
average
value
of
an
assessed
value
of
500
000,
we
were
proposing
a
decrease
of
586.65
for
the
city
portion
of
the
non-homestead
bill.
If
we
went
to
tax
cap
it
would
be
a
a
seven
percent
decrease
which
equates
to
a.
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L
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E
Your
rent
or
a
pewd
address
okay,
so
when
a
new,
when
the
ownership
changes
they
come
into
our
assessor
and
they
they
come,
they
bring
in
their
their
income
statements
and
their
anticipated
revenues
for
whatever
type
of
business
business.
It
is
I'm
unsure
of
how
she
does
her
calculations,
though
yeah.
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Guidepost,
when
we're
talking
about
additional
spending,
we
we're
going
to
put
off
the
sidewalks,
we'll
have
a
discussion
about
the
the
traffic
signs,
but
I
just
want
to
raise
one
more
time
before
we're
done
talking
about
the
budget.
You
know.
There's
there
are
some
things
that
the
council
would
like
to
do,
that
the
city
hasn't
had
capacity
for,
despite
no
matter
how
hard
Chris
works.
There's
only
one
Chris-
and
you
know,
I-
know
that
our
committees
need
some
attention.
D
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F
E
E
E
And
we
definitely
have
a
space
issue.
We
we
would
also
have
an
issue
if
we
were
to
bring
somebody
new
on
and
have
them
work
off-site.
You
know,
especially
as
they're
learning
the
ropes,
and
if
you
want
that
person
to
be
Chris's
right
hand
or
someone
that
we
could
say
hey,
can
you
take
on
this
project.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
have
that
person
off
site.
In
my
opinion,.
C
And
and
I
would
just
say,
I
share
the
goal
of
building
out
our
capacity.
It's
kind
of
frustrating,
because
I
I
have
this
old
I
have
a
car,
I'm,
driving
and
I
really
want
it
to
go
faster
and
I.
They
keep
telling
me
the
wheels
are
about
to
fall
off,
So,
eventually,
I
think
we'll
get
we'll
get
there
we're
trying
to
build
capacity
kind
of
Department
by
department.
So
if
you
see
like
what
we've
done,
the
last
two
years
we're
doing
incremental
hiring
to
take
pressure.
F
F
E
It's
also
finding
the
right
person
too,
which
you
know
does
take
time
to
find
the
right
person.
But
you
know
it's
like
you
know.
Having
you
know,
another
Chris
that's
I
mean
I
would
love
that
that
would
be
wonderful
to
to
get
all
those
projects
done
and
get
the
ball
rolling,
but
it's
it
is
difficult
to
find
that
that
person
that
has
that
that
experience
too
so
but
I'm
all
I,
also
share
the
support
in
expanding
I've
been
saying
this
for
a
long
time.
You
know,
I
can
only
do
so
much
so.
A
You
know
the
reason
that
they
put
the
tax
cap
together
was
the
way
that
you
know
our
budget
works
and
it
actually
that
one
page
kind
of
shows
it.
You
decide
what
your
total
expense
is.
You
estimate
what
you
think
your
other
revenues
are
and
whatever's
left
over
is
what
you
do
with
the
tax
and
what
that
was
doing
was
creating.
You
know
the
highest
property
taxes
in
the
country
in
New,
York
and
New
Jersey,
and
both
ended
up
in
a
cap
situation.
A
Actually
Massachusetts
went
there
before
us
and
actually
did
a
stupendous
job
of
figuring
out
how
to
make
that
work.
So
my
concern
I
I
the
way
I've
approached
this
for
years.
A
couple
of
decades
is
rather
than
say:
what
do
we
want
to
spend
on
it's?
What
do
we
want
our
tax
rate
to
be,
and
then
what
capacity?
A
What
does
that
leave
us
in
terms
of
what
we
have
some
flexibility
to
do
and
we
kind
of
gradually
do
those
things,
but
it's
limited
by
all
right
this
year
we
have
some
growth,
that's
cool,
you
know,
so
that
gives
us
a
little
more
Running
Room,
but
we
have
the
new
agreements.
Now
we're
left
with
about
this
much
extra
right,
so
I'd
much
rather
talk
about
well
this
year.
There's
about
this
much
of
a
pie.
Maybe
we
can
kind
of
grow
it
and
keep
growing
it.
A
We
can
go
after
it
because
if
we
do
it
the
other
way
and
say
here
all
the
projects
I
want
to
do.
What
we
end
up
doing
is
Raising
everyone's
taxes
and
I.
Just
don't
care
to
go
there
because
I've
just
knocked
on
way
too
many
doors
with
way
too
many
seniors
and
others
saying
we
can't
afford
to
do
that.
So
I
just
think.
If
you
do
it
gradually,
you
can
get
there.
If
you
try
to
do
them
all
at
once.
A
You
know,
and
so
it's
sort
of
like
we
can
have
a
pile
but
pick
the
ones
we
want
to
do
now
and
see
what
fills
the
you
know
up
to
our
limit
and
then
we'll
pick
the
next
one
right.
So
I,
don't
think
it's
a
capacity
of
people
issue
as
much
as
the
capacity
of
what?
What
can
we
free
up
in
our
kind
of
tax
revenue
to
kind
of
go
after
the
new
stuff
that
that's
how
we've
gotten
the
wreck
for
the
rec
department
is
more
than
doubled
in
10
years.
That's
an
amazing
number!
A
C
C
It's
it's
fitting
like
we
would
like
to
do
more
all
at
once
too,
and
it
there
is
a
trade-off.
Sometimes,
though,
between
the
quantity
and
the
quality
like
if
I'm
not
spending
enough
time
on
the
firehouse
and
Ben's
not
spending
enough
time
in
the
firehouse,
then
we
turn
around
and
some
decisions
been
made
that
then
we
have
to
unwind.
C
C
F
C
We'll
have
a
much
better
idea
where
that's
headed
but,
like
I,
said
I.
Think
the
sidewalks
is
the
right
investment
I'd
like
to
put
something
in
the
capital
program,
but
I'd
also
like
to
just
understand
where,
where
are
we
allowed
to
spend
it?
Where
are
we
not
allowed
to
spend
it
and
then
figure
out
how
much?
How
much
do
we
really
need
to
spend
a
year
to
actually
get
caught
up.
F
A
When
we
have
that
conversation,
it's
I'm
already
thinking
in
my
head,
so
what
would
I
give
up
right
because,
because,
if
I
don't
want
to
raise
taxes,
it's
like
okay
I
want
to
do
this
on
the
capital.
If
we
want
to
do
sidewalks,
it
doesn't
mean
we
do
fewer
roads.
Maybe
that's!
Okay,
right,
I'm!
Okay,
with
having
that
conversation,
but
I
I
want
to
have
the
trade-off
conversation
right,
because
I
think
we
will
make
better
decisions
that
way
the
one
in
this
budget
this
year.
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C
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C
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C
The
construction
manager
is
working
already
with
us
doing.
Bi-Weekly
meetings
running
estimates
we're
doing
a
walk
through
of
the
facility
tomorrow
for
potential
bidders
they'll,
be
there
I'm,
not
clear
when
they
would
come
back.
Probably
we
could
do
that
in
January.
If
we
update
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
the
we're
going
to
try
to
have
the
bids
for
the
as
asbestos
abatement
to
you
by
December
12th
for
adoption
on
the
19th
so
that
that
can
begin
in
January
there's
still
some
things
in
play.
C
Like
we
just
found
out,
we
can
do
the
ground,
Source
heat
pumps.
We
had
to
confirm
that,
so
we
are
going
to
do
a
geothermal
system
under
the
parking
lot.
We're
still
squaring
away
things
that
New
York
State
DOT
once
done
with
route
9.,
90
and
drainage
that
affects
cost.
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
still
in
play.
L
To
budget
I
was
interested
in
talking
further
about
this
budget
line
item
under
city
council,
for
planning
studies
to
be
talking
about
what
the
what
we
might
actually
need
those
90
cents
for,
and
we
have
talked
about
a
couple
of
studies.
We've
talked
about
a
sidewalk
study.
We've
talked
about
an
open
space
inventory
and
I'm
blanking.
I
L
So
that
is
several
studies
trying
to
accomplish
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
I
guess.
My
question
for
the
rest
of
council
is
where
we
see
our
priorities
among
those
options.
If
there
are
other
priorities
that
are
on
our
minds
and
maybe
what
other
options
there
might
be
for
funding
those
studies,
I
I
believe-
and
you
all
can
correct
me-
that
there
are
some
grant
opportunities
for
the
open
space
inventory,
but
maybe-
and
maybe
there
have
been
opportunities
for
some
of
these
other
studies.
D
If
I
can
I'm
I'm,
not
as
given
what
we've
talked
about
with
sidewalks
I'm,
not
as
eager
to
do
a
sidewalk
study
out
of
the
gate,
I
think
you
know,
if
we're
not
even
going
to
be
really
putting
pen
to
paper
for
sidewalks
until
April
or
May,
and
we're
going
to
do
a
few
months
of
discussion.
I
think
if
we
might
decide
out
of
that
to
do
a
study.
F
D
B
C
C
So
what
I
thought
is,
maybe
again
we
I
was
thinking
of
this
as
a
placeholder
and
then
we
could
see
what
came
back
on
the
rec
study
and
if
you
want
to
take
a
step
further
on
that,
the
grant
for
the
open
space
study
is
later
in
the
year.
So
we
have
some
time
if
we're
going
to
line
up
and
and
apply
for
that,
I
just
thought:
we'd
have
a
better
sense
of
of
maybe
what
the
trade-offs
are.
C
Yeah,
that's
usually
how
you
do
it.
The
the
other
thing
is
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
that
the
open
space
plan
would
be
that
expensive.
Honestly,
you
you've
assembled
an
amazing
amount
of
information
through
the
NRI
and
then
the
subsequent
survey.
It
almost
just
seems
like
you're
you're,
just
finishing
out
like
again,
I
I
still
have
on
my
list
to
call
my
old
director
of
planning
at
Ulster
to
understand
what
takes
it
from
NRI
and
the
survey
to
the
OS,
the
open
space
plan,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
75
or
50
000.
L
O
O
The
difference
is
that
NRI
is
different.
Resources
like
geological,
historical,
architectural,
all
sort
of
versions
and
open
space
inventory
is
just
the
land.
That's
still
undeveloped.
An
open
space
plan
is
what
we're
going
to
do
about
protecting
it,
working
with
private
owners
creating
Environmental
Protection
fund,
which
many
communities
have
done
to
start
purchasing,
easement
rights
or
the
properties
and
preserving
them.
O
The
scope
of
the
plans
are
different.
You
know
we
have
analyzed
a
lot,
a
lot
of
them,
so
I'm
like
15
pages
long,
sometimes
60
70s,
so
the
amount
of
detail
and
Analysis
and
special
knowledge
that
goes
into
them
is
different,
where
right
now
working
on
a
scope
of
what
we
would
like
to
get
a
quote
on.
So
we
have
analyzed
about
a
dozen
different
open
space
plans
from
different
towns
and
we're
creating
kind
of
our
ask
of
a
potential
consultant.
O
H
All
that
area
again
I,
don't
think
that
is
I
I
appreciate
that
sometimes
we're
asking
developers
to
foot
some
of
that
and
that
it's
not
going
to
come
online,
so
I
don't
have
I,
don't
have
enough
knowledge
to
know
what
is
needed,
but
it's
something
I
think
that
is
worth
naming
now,
because
I
could
see
that
having
impacts
and
even
when
I
was
looking
at
the
Emoji
signs
thing
and
I
was
like.
Oh,
those
work,
great
and
I
was
like,
but
for
what
purpose
like
I
would
love
to
hear?
H
I,
don't
know
if
it's
Lieutenant
Walden
or
someone
else
in
the
police
department
weighing
in
on
our
overall
traffic
needs
and
what
are
and
what
the
purpose
of
those
signs
would
be,
how
we'd
want
to
use
them,
and
so
we
might
be
at
a
point,
maybe
the
end
of
2023,
maybe
not
till
2024,
to
really
assess
that
as
well,
which
I
could
see
that
being
a
separate
kind
of
one-off
item
to
figure
out
what
we
want
going
forward
and
I
the
25
mile
an
hour.
Speed
limit
might
be
separate
than
that.
It
might
be.
H
You
want
to
wait
to
do
the
study,
in
fact
after
we
decide
if
we
want
to
implement
that,
because
that
to
me
has
separate
considerations
like
pure
pedestrian
safety,
that
I
might
be
able
to
consider
so
for
this
year,
I
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
a
sidewalk
assessment
but
I'm
also
not
like
no
I,
have
a
vision.
That
needs
to
be
it's
more
something
that
I
feel
comes
up
a
lot
but
and
I
know.
You
know
I've
heard
that
maybe
John
Clark
has
done
stuff
in
the
past
that
he
could
dig
up.
H
A
A
D
A
C
It's
doing
a
Last
Mile
study
of
Beacon
I
I,
just
never
had
occasion
to
tell
you
about
this,
but
they
had
reached
out
to
Poughkeepsie,
had
signed
them
up
to
do
this
free
study
that
they're
doing
at
I,
don't
know,
say
12
locations
at
train
stations
along
their
three
systems
and
they
invited
Poughkeepsie
to
do
it
and
we
said
yeah
we'll
do
for
the
Poughkeepsie
they
they
can
take.
It
and
Poughkeepsie
ended
up,
not
participating.
C
So
they
called
me
a
few
weeks
ago
and
said,
is
Beacon
still
interested
and
I
said
sure
so,
they're
doing
a
Last
Mile
study
of
how
people
can
walk
from
the
train
station
and
ask
them
to
look
at
all
of
the
impediments
and
the
potentials
for
improvement.
All
the
way
to
the
end
of
Main
Street
to
the
East
End
of
Main
Street.
Just.
H
That's
all
to
say
that
maybe
this
is
something
that
so
we
can
have
to
revisit.
You
know,
sometime
in
2023,
to
talk
about
what
other
studies
we
might
want,
or
what
other
steps
would
this
so
just
so
we're
thinking
ahead
proactively,
but
I
appreciate
this
having
this
conversation
now.
So
it's
not
this
time
next
year
going
oh
yeah,
this
thing
that
was
actually
on
my
mind
a
year
ago,
so.
L
My
one
addition
to
the
Strack
traffic
study
conversation
is
that
we
got
pretty
overwhelming
interest
from
the
high
school
when
we
talked
to
them
about
traffic
along
Matawan,
particularly
as
they've
been
affected
by
the
prison
road.
Closing
and
Chris
I.
Don't
know
how
you're
thinking
about
potentially
moving
forward
with
that
it
would
cost
more
than
the
ten
thousand
dollars.
That's
in
the
participatory
budgeting
pot,
my
understanding,
but
want
to
flag
that
that
that
might
be
an
upcoming
priority
for
me,
depending
how
those
conversations
pan.
C
Hearing
yeah,
I
I
think
they
clearly
identified
the
problem
I'm
just
not
clear
what
a
parking
study
is
going
to
do
to
change
it,
because
you
have
a
limited
influence
on
how
that
works.
Absent
building
a
new
road,
the
mayor
and
I
are
still
continuing
to
have
conversations
with
Empire
State
development
about
a
new
roadway,
basically
going
from
Camp
Beacon
to
Fishkill
Avenue,
which
would
alleviate
a
lot
of
this
yeah.
A
That
that
strikes
us
both
as
sort
of
the
obvious
solution
we
we
did
not
put
anything
in
the
budget
for
next
year,
because
we
had
too
much
going
on.
We
thought
that
we
could
get
some
basic
planning
done
as
part
of
the
fees
that
are
in
our
planner
and
our
engineer
not
sure
about
our
engineer,
because
he's
going
to
be
really
pretty
busy
from
what
Chris
is
saying,
but
yeah
I'd
like
to
kind
of
do
that
next
step.
A
I,
don't
think
we
could
go
further,
but
you
know
I
was
thinking
we
can
get
that
covered
from
one
of
you
know
through
our
professional
fees,
without
having
to
put
it
in
the
budget.
So
I
didn't
stick
it
in,
but
I'd
like
to
advance
the
ball
there,
because
that's
the
obvious
solution,
and
not
only
does
it
address
traffic,
but
it
just
opens
up
very
interesting
development
potential
for
us
right.
D
C
Step
topographic
survey,
so
I
just
understand
what
our
slopes
are,
what
we
drainage
might
look
like
and
and
get
a
hone
in
on
the
cost.
I
think
you
know
the
they
on
the
back
of
an
envelope.
It's
about
a
2.5
million
dollar
project
we'd
get
more
information
once
they
can
kind
of
do
a
preliminary
design,
yeah.
A
F
A
If,
if
we
do
something
in
that
area,
eventually
with
a
road
and
there's
development
potential,
any
kind
of
rework
of
of
the
ways
into
the
high
school
can
be
part
of
those
development
projects,
and
that
would
be
a
way
of
addressing
how
we
get
there.
I,
don't
think
it's
dramatic,
I,
think
I.
Think
putting
a
road
in
from
a
different
direction
would
relieve
a
ton
of
vehicle
pressure
right,
but
there's
possibilities
there.
A
J
A
C
C
D
C
Yeah
the
estimates
for
one
my
my
suggestion
is:
we
buy
two.
We
buy
one
emoji
one
regular
and
see
how
they
go,
because
these
are
a
little
different
models
than
we've
used
in
the
past.
They
actually
are
installed
on
signs
and
telephone
poles
and
they
have
a
little
solar
recharger
on
them,
so
we
don't
have
to
keep
dragging
them
back
and
charging
them
so
I
I
think
we
have
the
money
and
contention
see.
C
F
C
A
C
C
D
G
A
H
H
C
J
C
C
C
A
C
F
G
More
budget
thing
and
I
mentioned
this
last
week
at
the
city
council
meeting
in
my
comments,
but
I
don't
really
support
the
four
thousand
dollars
moved
and
put
aside
for
the
youth
program
in
the
budget
for
the
police.
I
think
that
we're
going
to
invest
another
a
line
item
for
police
that
should
be
based
in
prevention
and
care
and
I
think
there
are
other
things
that
we
could
necessarily
put
this
money
towards.
But
I
don't
see
that
being
a
priority
for
us
this
year
and
I
just
I.
C
They
they
wanted
to
codify
this
program
and
fund
it,
because
it's
been
mostly
some
really
dedicated
volunteers
paying
for
it
and
doing
it,
and
it's
been,
it's
been
valuable.
We've
hired
three
people
that
have
gone
through
the
Youth
Academy.
We
have
a
dispatcher
and
two
police
officers
we
hired
so
for
the
little
bit
of
money.
If
you
look
at
what
other
towns
do
like
Fishkill
has
a
much
more
robust
program
that
they
do
we're
kind
of
way
behind
that
and
I
would
just
say
that
this
has
provided
really
good
value
to
us.
F
C
In
hiring
is
nobody's
training
a
lot
of
the
jobs
that
we
do
so
like.
If
you
look
at
Highway,
we
have
summer
internships
where
people
work
for
us
and
then
we
end
up
hiring
them
as
meos
for
the
fire
department.
You
do
have
a
fire
academy,
but
you
also
can
volunteer
as
a
firefighter
and
get
your
EMT
certificate
for
free
and
that's
that's
a
good
entree
into
that
job.
For
the
water
department.
We
have
a
summer
internship.
C
C
C
D
Can
I
make
another
suggestion
on
this
because
I've
been
thinking
about
this
a
lot
you
know
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is
you
know
how
young
people
interact
with
the
city,
government
and
and
I.
Think
the
the
reaction
to
the
the
policing
program
is
that
it's
the
only
one
that's
in
the
in
the
budget.
D
Green
teams
is
a
contractor,
but
perhaps
what
we
want
to
do
is
propose
some
additional
programs
that
do
something
similar
for
other
parts
of
the
city
government
and
you
listed
some
really
good
ones,
but
you
know
you
know
one
thing:
that's
really
interesting.
Is
you
know
we
don't
we
have
our
water
treatment
and
our
wastewater
treatment
are
essentially
environmental
programs
and
we
have
an
environmental
program
at
the
high
school
and
I.
Think
there's
some
opportunity
to
probably
do
something
more.
D
There
I,
don't
know
what
you
could
do
with
the
highway
department,
but
I
think
that
there's
some
I
think
we
should
try
to
look
at
this
creatively
and
think
of
other
ways
that
the
city
government
can
interact
with
young
people
and
get
them
interested
in
the
type
of
work
that
we
do.
I
think
what
stands
out
to
me
is
that
we
only
have
policing,
so
it
kind
of
you
know
in
the
budget
of
course,
so
it
kind
of
stands
out.
D
N
N
D
J
E
Summer
program
and
the
different
types
of
camps,
the
lifeguard
training
that
they're
doing
so
they
are
interacting
and
you
might
not
see
it
because
it's
it's
actually
labeled
as
temporary
help
or
the
the
summer
internships
we.
We
are
doing
that
in
in
different
in
different
areas.
In
fact,
and
then
they
go
on,
we
go
on
to
hire
them.
Colin
Malone
was
an
intern
and
you
remember
that
he
was
the
former
band
and
he
he
came
back
and
we're
like
sure.
No.
D
E
Deputy
city
clerk
actually
was
an
intern
at
the
highway
department
and
I,
and
she
actually
helped
me
out
during
a
really
heavy
collection
period,
so
getting
to
know
her.
The
deputy
city
clerk
position
came
up
and
we
we
wanted
her.
She
moved
into
the
planning
department
now,
but
we
are
able
to
reach
out.
E
We
have
an
interim
right
now
with
HR,
who
is
wonderful
and
has
been
digitizing
all
our
files
and
we're
we'd
love
to
perhaps
make
a
position
for
him
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
we're
definitely
doing
that
want
to
be
open
to
new
new
suggestions,
especially
with
the
water
in
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
because
that
that
involves
licensing
too.
You
know
understanding
what
a
career
path
in
this
could
be
so
and
some
of
those
some
of
those
positions,
it's
very
difficult
to
fill
some
of
those
positions
getting
those
appropriate
licensing.
So
just.
J
C
The
department
that
we've
struggled
most
with
hiring
is
the
police
I
mean
we
have
four
openings
right
now.
We're
we're
bringing
you
a
candidate
tonight,
an
executive
session
to
meet
so
I'm
hoping
to
fill
one
of
those,
but
I've
got
two
pending
retirements
next
year,
so
even
I'm
I'm,
not
even
with
the
hiring
like
making
progress
on
because
the
rate
of
attrition
is
is
outweighing
that
so
we
we've
had
a
wave
of
retirements
the
last
couple
years,
so
bringing
people
into
these
programs
like
Isabel
and
no
Sereno.
C
Who
now
is
a
dispatcher
with
our
police.
She
went
through
Youth
Academy,
two
two
of
the
other
young
men
that
recently
became
police
went
through
the
academy.
You
already
have
it
set
up.
You
have
a
dedicated
group
of
volunteers
that
for
that
little
bit
of
money,
take
take
that
and
Propel
it
I,
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
risk
that
we
can
augment.
A
So
I,
actually
that
specific
line
I
am
expressly
support.
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
doing
other
things
and
I
can
see
that
of
being
relevance,
but
I
I,
believe
the
justice
department
singled
that
out
as
a
necessary
program,
I
believe,
are
human
rights
committee
from
several
years
ago
said
this
was
an
important
program.
I
know
our
police
advisory
committee
has
put
this
as
their
number
one
I
I,
just
don't
see
it
at
all.
Why
we
wouldn't
challenge
that?
A
C
And
even
your
participatory
budgeting
is
kind
of
morphing
into
a
let's
attract
kids
into
public
service
like
when
Plum
and
I
went
through
the
six
classes
that
we
did
in
that
day.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
that
they're
going
to
remember,
but
they
will
remember
somebody
from
the
city
went
there
and
that
we
had
all
these
things
that
we
did
that
they
didn't
know
about,
and
that
might
be
a
job
potential
and
we
mentioned
the
job
potential.
G
F
G
A
C
L
I
would
be
supportive
of
that
and
that's
I
share
the
concern
that
we're
funding
one
Department
over
others
I
see
I
absolutely
hear
that
funding
is
going
towards
a
recreation
department
and
summer
hires
that
there
are
internship
programs,
but
it
does
and
I
know
that
our
newly
retired
chief
of
fires
said
that
he
wouldn't
know
what
to
do
with
funding
to
expand
his
youth
programs,
which
I
find
a
little
bit
of
an
odd
answer
but
I
believe
him.
It's.
L
Ultimately,
hiring
police
officers
who
live
in
Beacon
I'll
also
say
it
seems
like
it's
a
program
that
has
been
working
without
explicit
city
funding
for
several
years,
but
regardless,
if
we
are
putting
money
into
the
budget
for
this,
I
would
like
to
see
it
see
Equitable
funds
put
into
other
departments
as
well.
You.
L
C
Summer
help
so
that
really
is
a
conduit
for
people
learning
what
we
do
down
there.
We
also
have,
in
the
budget
this
year
an
additional
position
in
the
water
department
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
we
have
a
pipeline
of
operators,
so
we're
going
to
hire
basically
an
entry-level
maintenance
mechanic
who
might
come
from
somebody.
That's
worked
for
us
during
the
summer
to
allow
a
more
senior
person
that
we
think
can
get
the
the
licensure
that
they
need
to
operate
the
plan,
but
I
need
to
free
that
person
up.
C
L
C
I
I,
don't
think
your
department
heads
would
agree
even
to
do
this
honestly,
they
want
workers
in
the
summer
that
they
can
work
with
and
see
if
they're
potential
staff
for
the
future.
If
we
did
some
undefined
vague
environmental
science
program,
that's
really
no
help
to
our
waste
water
and
water
system.
In
fact,
I
know
what
they
would
say.
They
would
say.
How
are
we
supposed
to
implement
that,
and
what
exactly
is
that.
D
I,
don't
think
we
would
give
them
something.
That's
so
vague
and
and
also
remember
that
the
value
may
not
be
that
the
people
are
helping
now
I,
don't
think
the
kids
in
this
Police
Academy
are
fighting
real
crime
in
the
streets,
I
hope
they're,
not
so
the
idea
again
is
to
show
young
people
a
pathway
to
a
good.
You
know
a
good
paying
hard-working
middle
class
job
with
the
city
government.
Now
again,
I
think
it's
it's.
D
It's
probably
imagine
it's
as
hard
to
shoot
this
down
as
it
is
to
advocate
for
it,
because
it's
so
unspecific,
so
perhaps
we
could
just
have
you
know,
continue
the
conversation
about
what
some
of
these
other
programs
might
look
like
and
maybe
identify
the
areas
that
we
already
have
in
the
budget
or
need
to
augment.
So.
E
I
mean
so
there
is
funding
already
in
the
water
so
as,
and
he
has
a
hard
time
finding
temporary
help
right
now.
So
there's
potential
there.
If,
if
we
continue
this
conversation
and
and
Define
it
and
as
we
go
forward-
and
we
want
to
do
a
program
like
this
with
the
sewer
too,
we
can
move
money
around
during
the
year.
So
it's
not
because
it's
not
like
we're
hiring
a
new
position
which
that
has
to
be
decided
now.
So
as
we
go
forward,
have
this
conversation
and
Define
it
develop
what
the
plan
is.
A
Yeah
I
was
going
to
say
something
similar,
which
is
I.
Don't
think
we
can
define
a
program
here
so
I
think
the
input
you'd
need
is
from
department
heads
as
to
whether,
in
addition
to
what's
in
there
now,
there's
something
relevant
and
and
if
someone
comes
up
with
something
working
with
the
city,
administrator
I
think
you
just
come
back
to
us.
It's
it's,
not
a
big
amount
right,
so
I
think
you
know
that's
kind
of
what
you
said:
it's
not
a
big
amount.
E
E
Just
said
right-
and
you
know
we
are
I
mean
we
are
going
to
the
career
fairs
too.
So
we
have
that
piece
where
we're
talking
about
our.
What
we
do
here,
definitely
now
with
HR
she'll,
definitely
be
going
in
a
you
know:
different
department
heads
have
gone
in
the
past
as
well,
just
at
least
describing
it.
J
L
L
Seniors,
who
are
operators
explain
to
me
a
year
ago?
The
idea
is
that
they
would
be
tasked
over
a
semester
with
understanding
how
a
certain
department
works
and
then
coming
up
with
recommendations
about
how
they
could
have
a
better
environmental
impact,
and
my
understanding
was
that
that
project
moved
into
the
school
but
I'm
not
sure
how
it
went.
Okay,
but
I,
imagine
it's
similar
on
a
slightly
not
on
a
non-collegiate
level,
to
the
program
that
Eleanor
Peck
ran
about
coming
up
with
recommendations
for
how
to
Electrify
the
city
cities
operations.
C
A
K
I
E
It
also
increased
the
recreation,
social,
social
security
line
that
is
now
23
240
and
the
MTA
payroll
tax
line,
which
is
now
thirty,
two
thousand
six
twenty
one,
and
that
amounted
to
fifty
eight
thousand
one,
eighty
one
that
I
took
out
of
contingency
and
just
reclassed
it
so
there's
no
effect
on
the
bottom
line.
Change
to
the
budget.
C
N
M
C
F
A
J
A
G
C
E
E
E
C
M
E
The
main
street-
and
it
was
more
to
I-
mean
they
were-
they
were
working
pretty
fast
to
try
to
get
Main,
Street
done
and
back
up
and
open
so
to
cover
that
cost.
It
would
be
fifteen
thousand
into
the
overtime
line,
and
that
would
also
be
coming
from
the
contingency
fund
and
that's
it
for
Budget
amendments.
E
Sure
so
I
have
requested
a
promotion
for
one
of
my
staff
members,
Christine
Moreno.
She
currently
holds
the
title
of
a
account
clerk
typist
and
in
the
2022
budget
we
had
put
her
in
for
a
promotion.
She
took
the
senior
account
clerk
typist
test
in
the
beginning
of
February
and
got
her
results
this
summer
and
she
passed.
She
was
reachable
on
the
Dutchess
County
Civil
Service
list
and
personally
Christine
has
been
an
invaluable
member
of
my
staff.
She
continuously
takes
on
new
tasks
assigned
to
her.
E
She
also
supervises
the
upstairs
where
the
the
front
window,
where
most
of
the
residents
come
in,
to
pay
their
their
tax
bills
and
utility
bills.
So
any
questions
that
arise
from
residents
that
the
the
clerk
at
the
front
window
is
not
able
to
answer
or
even
on
the
phone
she's
able
to
handle
that
before
it
gets
it
you
know,
otherwise
it
would
go
to
me.
E
C
And
when
you
think
about
employees
that
you
don't
see
that
make
things
function
day
to
day,
Christine
is
one
of
them
she's,
one
of
our
most
Dependable
employees,
she's
there
late
at
night,
when
the
water
bills
need
to
get
out
and
something
went
wrong
with
the
printer
and
and
she's
just
really
good
with
the
public
as
well.
When
they
have
questions,
she's
got
amazing
level
of
patience
dealing
with
them.
So
right.
E
E
A
A
C
C
O
O
City
council
members,
Mr
Mayor,
City
administrator.
Thank
you
for
opportunity
to
share
CAC
Research
and
opinion
on
potential
leaf
blower
regulation.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
work
that
CAC
members
have
done,
and
especially
the
working
group
as
to
Jackson
Ellen,
no
pack
and
Thomas
Wright,
who
will
be
sharing
the
burden
of
doing
this
presentation
with
me
today
and
additionally,
failure
on
our
climate,
smart
coordinator,
provided
a
lot
of
assistance
and
support
in
this
effort.
O
So
there
were
some
questions
that
Chris
asked
us
to
answer
and
Tom
will
follow
me
up
and
answer
those
questions,
but
as
part
of
our
research,
we
reached
to
18
different
municipalities
in
New
York
state
who
have
implemented
some
form
of
live
blow
regulation.
We
have
provided
you
with
summaries
of
the
responses.
O
We
also
went
through
various
reports,
studies,
Municipal
codes
and
Publications
to
kind
of
understand
ourselves
better,
was
involved
and
provide
you
with
broader
context.
In
summary,
CAC
is
supportive
of
council
taking
steps
to
promote
electrification
of
lawn
care
equipment
and
especially
two-stroke
models.
Starting
with
gas
powered
live
low
regulation.
O
So
we
recommend
that
the
city
council
Implement
a
citizenal
restriction
on
only
gas
powered
leaf
blowers
and
consider
developing
a
timeline
to
restrict
as
a
guest
by
what
lawn
mowers
down,
Road
and
potentially
limiting
the
use
of
gas
of
electrical
blowers
as
well
and
later
on.
We'll
explain
why
several
municipalities
in
New
York
states
have
regulated
gas
powered
landscape
equipment,
including
a
large
Mount
crotonin
Hudson
Pelham.
So
it's
not
without
precedent.
O
O
One
of
the
big
takeaways
was
that
commercial
landscaping,
companies
and
Property
Owners
should
have
the
same
restrictions.
We
cannot
differentiate
between
different
entities
and
we
will
need
to
think
about
potential
exemptions,
for
example,
for
properties
over
one
acre
in
size
or
cleanups.
Following
extreme
weather
events,
some
towns
have
exemptions
for
medical
reasons,
for
people
who,
for
some
reason,
cannot
have
leaves
around
them
and
like
with
Doctor
notice,
they
can
get
a
an
exemption
to
use
sleeve
blowers
during
prohibited
time
period.
O
O
There
will
potentially
be
funding
available
for
this
through
DC
they
discussed
at
some
point.
It
was
in
the
state
budget
discussions
to
have
the
funds
to
run
those
programs.
We
would
also
encourage
the
city
and
Beacon
City
School
District
to
set
example
by
methodically
electrifying,
their
Lawn
Care
Equipment.
O
Finally,
many
communities
maintain
a
database
of
landscaping
services
that
work
in
the
communities.
Sometimes
it's
done
through
mandatory
registration
and
the
fee.
Sometimes
the
city
just
collects
anecdotally
the
names
of
all
the
landscaping
companies
and
that's
used
to
have
ways
to
communicate
with
companies
to
be
able
to
update
them
on
New
restrictions
and
remind
them
about
you
know
upcoming
times,
when
certain
equipment
cannot
be
used,
they're
going
to
turn
it
back
to
Tom
and
then
I
will
be
back.
P
Evening,
thanks
Sergey,
as
segregate
mentioned,
there
was
a
list
of
questions
that
Chris
White
had
forwarded
to
the
CAC
which
I'll
go
through
now,
just
to
quickly
summarize
the
question.
Questions
of
the
answers
regarding
alternatives
to
gas,
poweredly
blowers
I
mean
yes,
you
know,
battery
powered
alternatives
are
not
only
adequate
but
are
quieter
than
gas
powered
versions.
There
was
a
question
about
time
of
year
restrictions
and
enforcement.
P
Our
research
showed
that
most
communities
have
seasonal
restrictions,
Banning
use
between
spring
spring
cleanup
and
the
Fall
leave
season,
while
enforcement
is
typically
handled
by
the
police
and
or
the
building
department
enforcement.
It's
important
to
note
that
enforcement
by
noise
level
is
is
challenging
because
of
the
required
equipment
involved.
In
general,
a
few
tickets
are
issued.
What
we
found
is
that
view
tickets
are
issued
once
the
restrictions
are
in
place
over
for
a
year
or
two
and
people
and
businesses
change
their
practices.
P
Another
question
was
about
educating
the
public
communities,
utilize
public
hearings
to
encourage
awareness,
collect
feedback
and
help
to
craft
legislation,
but
in
addition,
a
variety
of
methods
we
used,
including
emails
notices
on
website
door,
hangers
bilingual
Flyers,
tabling
at
Farmers
Market
Etc,
one
of
one
effective
tool
is
rebates
tied
to
trade-in
of
gas
powered
equipment,
and
it's
something
that
we
would
encourage
the
city
to
look
into.
Another
is
creating
database,
as
Sergey
mentioned
a
database
from
Commercial
Landscaping
companies
for
continued
Outreach
and
reminders.
P
This
can
also
be
useful,
as
enforcement,
if
inclusion
on
the
list
is
a
precondition
to
operating
in
the
city.
In
regards
to
the
question
about
exemptions
for
DPW,
you
know,
as
Sergey
mentioned,
some
communities
do
have
exemptions,
but
we,
the
cic,
would
strongly
encourage
the
city
and
the
beacon
City
School
District,
to
lead
by
example.
In
this
case,
and
which
would
be
at
least
as
far
as
the
city
goes
completely.
P
In
line
with
the
city's
green
purchasing
policy
requiring
the
replacement
of
Aging
equipment
with
battery
powered
green
Alternatives,
we
were
asked
to
advise
if
a
city
restriction
should
include
all
leaf
blowers
and
not
just
gas
gas
powered
leaf
blowers,
and
we
feel
that
allowing
battery-powered
blowers
will
help
minimize
pushback
and
potentially
lead
to
broader
adoption
of
battery-powered
equipment.
While
the
city
wants
to
restrict
equipment
based
on
health
and
well-being
impacts,
it
needs
to
allow
for
a
variety
of
preferences.
P
Regarding
the
appearances
of
the
appearance
of
lawn
and
garden
around
the
home,
noise
remains
an
issue
with
battery-powered
blowers,
so
with
education
about
alternative
practices
and
changing
dorms,
perhaps
a
total
ban
could
be
reviewed
by
cancel
in
five
to
seven
years.
There
was
a
question
about
impacts
of
restrictions
on
the
community.
We
mostly
heard
positive
feedback
from
communities,
particularly
once
the
restrictions
were
in
place.
P
For
a
couple
of
years,
we
did
see
that
communities
closer
to
Beacon
demographically
did
have
increased
pushback
from
landscape
companies,
where
owner
operators
living
in
the
community
with
owner
operators
living
in
the
community
who
may
be
concerned
about
financial
hardship
of
transitioning
to
battery
power.
Additional
comment
here
is
that
costs
are
decreasing,
alongside
with
increase
in
battery
power,
market
adoption
and
charge
duration.
P
Finally,
related
question
regarding
both
potential
benefits
and
detriments
of
a
restriction.
The
primary
benefit
is
certainly
Public.
Health
relating
to
reduced
pollution
and
Noise
We
found
that
there
were
not
so
much
detriments
as
challenges.
First,
there's
The
Upfront
cost
of
transitioning
to
new
equipment,
a
solution
for
which
could
come
in
the
form
of
financial
incentives
and
buy
back
programs.
P
Another
challenge
is
public
opinion,
particularly
among
commercial
operators.
However,
we
feel
that,
given
the
growing
availability
of
battery-powered
Alternatives,
this
challenge
can
be
overcome
with
Outreach
and
education
and
demonstrations
by
vendors
and
manufacturers
in
the
interest
of
providing
context
for
our
recommendations.
The
memorandum
contains
an
opinion
on
the
gas
powered
leaf
blower
legislation
which
circuit
will
introduce
next.
O
So
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
broadly
about
the
health
impacts
of
using
live
blowers
and
because
that
was
kind
of
like
was
the
driving
the
driving
force
behind
this
whole
exercise,
and
you
know
with
any
new
restriction
or
change
that
you
know
city
council
would
adopt.
The
goal
should
be
very
clear
and
like
right
here.
O
The
the
goal
is
the
health
of
the
operators
and
the
community
and
people
who
live
around
and
are
subject
to
noise
dust
and
fumes
that
are
produced
by
the
with
this
equipment
in
general
CC
fields,
and
the
EPA
agrees
with
us
that
gas-powered
Outdoor
Equipment
is
bad
for
equipment,
operators,
communities
and
environment.
We
advocate
for
New
York
state
to
start
to
phase
out
a
sale
of
gas
powered
equipment
and
pursue
buy
back
and
exchange
programs
in
our
assessment.
O
So
helson
well-being
benefits,
as
I
said.
Restricting
this
would
help
to
improve
the
community
and
the
detrimental
Health
impacts
of
gas
powered
equipment
is
very
well
documented.
There
are
links
in
the
report
to
various
studies
that
we
cite
the
exhausts
is
filled
with
noxious
fumes
to
which
operators
are
directly
exposed.
Most
of
the
leaf
blowers
are
too
to
strike
two-stroke
engines
that
burn
much
dirtier
about
30
percent
of
all
the
the
fuel
is
ejected
as
little
particles
like
in
immediate
proximity
of
the
operator.
O
So
it's
a
very
unhealthy
way
of
breathing
and
people
who
do
live
low
for
for
living.
They
spend
hours
doing
that,
and
one
of
the
like.
The
first
impetus
for
this
was
the
noise
pollution
and
according
to
CDC
gas
powered
leaf
blowers
are
a
major
course
of
hearing
loss.
They
state
that
any
noise
above
70
decibels
is
starting
to
cause
hearing
damage
at
120
decibels.
O
You
it
causes
immediate
hearing
damage,
fuel
powered,
live
blowers
of
mobile
versions,
operate
at
115.,
I
haven't
double
checked
this
stat,
but
according
to
CAE
interrogation
handbook
maximum
exposure
for
you
know
for
your
interrogation.
Victims
is
78
decibels
and
another
major
concern
is
dust
according
to
University
of
California
School
of
Engineering
study
leave
blow
is
a
major
source
of
Airborne
particular
matter,
and
it
is
estimated
that
between
80
and
200
000
extra
deaths
are
recorded
each
year
in
the
United
States,
due
to
particular
matter.
O
Obviously,
not
everything
from
leaf
blowers,
its
construction
sites
and
everything
else,
but
live
blowers,
definitely
contribute
a
lot
to
that
and
according
to
American
lawn
Association,
there
was
a
trisk,
usually
people
of
color
children,
infants,
pregnant
and
all
the
people
and
leave
blower
restrictions
or
regulations
are
supported
by
Medical
Society
of
New
York,
American,
Cancer
Society,
the
asthma
Coalition
and
breast
breast
cancer
Coalition.
So
there
is
pretty
broad
agreement
that
you
know
they
should
be
phased
out
as
a
personal
anecdote.
O
Last
week,
during
repaving
of
the
booster
Avenue
I
was
driving
down
the
road
and
witness
to
City
employee
was
a
high
powered,
lift
blower
blowing
the
crushed
asphalt
dust
from
the
milled
portion
of
the
road.
Huge
plumes
of
you
know
that
dust
going
all
over
the
workers,
Into
The,
Lawns
and
onto
the
house.
This
was
a
warm
day.
People's
windows
were
open
so,
like,
unfortunately,
this
happens
quite
often,
and
that's
like
one
of
the
reasons
we
wanted
to
look
further
into
restricting
the
use
of
leaf
blowers
on
hard
surfaces,
because
that's
exceptionally
bad.
O
Also,
it's
important
to
evaluate
the
environmental
justice
benefit.
Many
landscape
companies
employ
members
of
communities
that
as
whole
bear
direct
impact
from
those
workplace
hazards
and
increasingly
impacts
of
climate,
hitting
many
municipalities
of
some
municipalities
in
New
York
mandate
that
all
landscape
operators
wear
peering
and
breathing
protections,
and
that's
something
that
Beacon
can
also
do.
O
Leslie
I
wanted
to
mention
about
Community
engagement,
just
to
expand
on
what
I
started.
If
we
do
decide
to
proceed,
we
should
plan
a
careful,
Community,
Education
education
and
engagement
phase
to
have
a
timeline
for
feedback
modifications
to
any
restrictions
and
the
actual
rollout
of
restrictions
phased
out
and
timed.
So
people
don't
feel
it
abruptly
coming
on
to
them,
and
during
this
engagement
campaign
we
should
access,
emphasize
the
health
benefits
to
the
community
and
to
The
Operators
and
try
to
overcome
potential
political
stigma,
that's
associated,
sometimes
with
attempts
to
Electrify
the
equipment.
P
The
working
group
felt
it
was
important
to
look
at
the
wider
benefits
of
restrictions
on
gas
powered
leaf
blowers,
and
you
know
right
off
the
bat
you
know.
One
of
the
nice
things
about
electrification
is
that
in
general
leads
to
lower
operating
costs,
and
you
know
this
particularly
good
news
in
a
high
inflation
context.
F
P
Raise
awareness
for
broader
electrification
issues,
and
so,
for
example,
you
know
a
resident
skeptical
about
electric
vehicles
could
be
won
over
by
the
convenience
of
battery
powered
landscaping
tools.
In
this
way,
the
smaller
machines
are
a
gateway
to
larger
machines
such
as
EVs
and
even
heat
pumps
for
Home
Heating
that
it
might
seem
simplistic
but
I,
think
there's
really
a
lot
of
truth
to
it.
P
When
you
think
about
it
and
you,
you
know,
you
think
about
the
changing
Norms
that
are
happening
rapidly
in
large
part
due
to
exposure
and
think
of
a
neighbor
of
mine
who
scoffed
when
he
saw
my
electric
vehicle,
but
I
noticed
that
he's
using
battery-powered
leaf
blowers
battery
powered
equipment
for
his
lawn.
So
you
know
bit
by
bit.
P
You
can
get
people
to
change
and
I
think
this
is
really
really
an
important
way
to
look
at
this,
because
accelerated
electrification
can
in
turn,
lead
to
even
wider
benefits
of
assisting
with
city,
state
and
National
efforts
to
meet
climate
mitigation
targets
and
timelines.
So
the
path
so
the
gas
powered
leaf.
P
We
conclude
our
opinion
opinion
with
a
mention
of
the
recent
California
legislation
to
ban
gas-powered
Vehicles
by
2035,
while
primary
by
the
primary
goal
of
the
legislation
is
a
reduction
in
CO2
emissions.
Viewed
more
broadly,
the
state
is
acting
to
protect
the
health
and
well-being
of
its
residents.
By
implementing
a
ban
on
machines
powered
by
health
and
climate
harming
fossil
fuels.
P
D
I
have
a
question
about
the
seasonal
bit,
but
before
that
I
just
want
to
say
how
happy
I
am
that
we
referred
this
law
to
you
because
I
we
had
a
hard
time
having
the
conversation
and
the
the
work
that
you
guys
put
into
this
memo.
Thank
you
to
everybody
that
worked
on
this.
It's
so
thorough
and
well
researched
and
super
helpful
in
helping
us
think
about
this
law.
D
I
O
I
think
the
feel
is
that,
right
now,
when
there's
a
lot
of
leaf
disposal
going
on
you,
they
don't
have
enough
electric
electric
power
equipment
to
handle
the
huge
amount
of
leaves
so
I
think
that's
was
kind
of
like
the
motivation
and
same
in
the
spring.
You
know
getting
all
the
brush
all
the
broken
branches
that
was
as
I
understand
the
as
a
reason
for
that.
I
As
any
communities
that
you're
aware
of
like
sort
of
incrementally
and
built-in
restrictions
so
like
year,
one
it's
this
year
two
year
three
and
gives
the
opportunity
for
people
either
to
start
well.
The
the
technology
is
getting
better
year
by
year
and
Equipment
often
dies
and
you
are
going
to
replace
it.
You
aren't
going
to
replace
it
with
electric
or
gas
powered,
so
it
just
might
be
something
that
we
would
consider,
as
you
know,
make
it
an
incremental
change
as
opposed
to
outright.
O
Yes,
they
did,
and
you
know
one
of
the
like
first
part
of
incremental
in
going
incremental
route
is
delaying
the
rollout
of
the
program.
Let's
say
we
decided
to
move
on
it
on
2023,
but
it's
not
going
to
get
implemented
until
2024,
but
during
that
time
there
is
a
lot
of
Engagement
and
Community
conversations,
so
people
whose
equipment
starts
dying
in
2023s.
You
know
that
by
next
years
I
would
need
to
have
gas
powered,
so
they
have
more
room.
They
don't
have
to
buy
it
now.
O
O
F
D
Your
recommendation
is
to
phase
out
small
gasoline
leaf
blowers
and
then
to
look
at
small
gasoline
engines.
You
know
the
two-stroke
and
four-stroke
engines
kind
of
later
on
my
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have.
Maybe
it's
a
legal
question
for
Nick
is:
can
we
write
laws
that
go
far
out
into
the
future
or
you
know,
can
we
can
we
do
a
law,
that's
about
leaf
blowers
and
then
say,
like
you
know,
in
2028,
we'll
begin
phasing
out.
Similarly
small
gasoline
engines,
you.
B
Can
do
that?
Yes,
as
I've
explained
before
it
depends
upon
whether
there's
any
preemption
issues
with
the
means
in
which
you're
regulating
it,
but
with
leaf
blowers
and
small
engines.
There
are
ways
to
regulate
without
running
into
that
preemption
issue,
but
you
can
be
prospective
in
your
thinking
and
having
a
sunrise
provision
if
you
will
that
Springs
into
effect
at
a
certain
point
in
time,
that's
permissible.
A
B
Sure
and
there's
been
some
litigation,
not
in
New
York,
but
in
Maryland
on
this
issue
on
the
preemption
issue
and
also,
as
the
committee
has
noted,
in
New
Jersey
regarding
leaf
blower
bans
in
general.
But
that
was
not
a
preemption
issue.
The
it
is
clear
that
the
Clean
Air
Act
regulates
emissions
with
respect
to
the
quality
of
the
fumes
and
pollutants
coming
from
the
leaf
blowers
and
small
engines.
There
are,
however,
Mrs
Hal
and
Mr
powdy's
regulated
through
their
noise
ordinance.
B
They
can't
be
that
repetitive
noise
that
loud
noise
that
constant
droning
or
humming,
so
the
municipalities
under
our
police
Powers,
have
the
authority
to
regulate
these
engines
from
a
noise
perspective,
and
that
is
the
approach
that
municipalities
have
taken.
So
the
authority
does
exist
under
the
city's
police
powers
to
regulate
it's
just
the.
We
need
to
be
careful
in
our
justification
and
our
purpose
section
of
the
law.
How
we're
explaining
that
so
that
we're
staying
within
our
Lane.
D
B
A
B
A
Yep,
okay
yeah,
because
I
I
was
trying
to
understand
so
I
I
got
worried
because
I
assume
it
was
a
noise
issue
dust
in
particulates.
We
can't
distinguish
between
Gas
and
Electric
I
got
worried
when
I
read
that
the
electrics
are
as
loud
and
the
newer
ones
are
certainly
as
loud,
because
I
saw
that
Greenberg
piece
of
information
that
you
provided.
A
B
It
right
you'd
have
to
treat
them
on
an
equal
basis.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
gas
ones
are
noisier
than
the
electric
ones,
but
one
would
have
to.
There
would
have
to
be
some
basis
some
level
to
to
distinguish
that.
Yes,
we'd
have
to
have
a
line
that
cannot
be
exceeded,
whether
it's
electric
or
gas
powered.
O
Just
to
address
that
study
from
Greenberg
they
looked
at,
they
have
a
city-wide.
You
know
maximum
decibel
level
of
I,
think
55
and
they
looked
at
what
electrical
models
will
be
with
within
that
limit
and
so
out
of
150
different
electric
models
that
they
looked
at
only
five
would
be
below
the
city
limit.
O
A
Yeah,
let
me
go
back
to
Nick
again,
but
what
you're
saying
is,
if,
if
we're
doing
I,
don't
see
how
there's
a
distinction
between
Gas
and
Electric
with
respect
to
dust
and
particulates
right,
they
both
push
them
up,
but
with
respect
to
noise,
if
we're
regulating,
Noise,
We,
Can't,
Ban
gas
per
se,
we'd
have
to
regulate
based
on
noise.
Is
that
right.
B
Well,
you
can
ban
gas
per
se
if
you
find
that
the
gas
ones
violate
the
noise,
ordinance
and
I
think
that's
fairly
easy
to
establish
and
that's
what
other
communities
have
done
right
that
the
gas
powered
ones
are
just
going
to
do
at
it
generate
a
minimum
amount
of
noise
that
all
that
appear
to
violate
code
provision.
That's
how
other
municipalities
regulate
it.
From
that
noise
perspective.
A
O
And
a
note
from
municipalities
that
tried
and
the
first
ones
that
did
pursue
the
bands
or
regulations
they
use
decibel
levels
and
they
found
that
enforcement
was
next
to
Impossible,
because
you
need
to
be
there
with
a
decimal
emitter.
So
if
you
look
at
the
codes
from
you
know,
every
town
that
we
mentioned
it
just
states
that
you
know
to
protect
well-being
of
communities
and
dust
and
noise
gas
powered
equipment
is
banned
and
many
of
those
regulations
have
been
in
place
since
late
90s.
D
B
I'm
not
familiar
with
what
other
states
are
doing
or
how
their
laws
are
written.
I
know
that
Maryland
a
community
and
it's
not
at
the
state
level.
It's
done
at
the
local
levels.
There's
a
community
in
Maryland
which
did
have
one
by
Admissions
and
they
were
challenged
by
the
Landscaping
Institute
industry
with
respect
to
air
emissions.
I
don't
know
Dan
how
others
are
regulated
if
it
is
noise
or
or
air
emissions.
O
I
mean
I
work
for
a
local
landscaping,
company
one
nature
and
we
have
been
electrifying
our
equipment
and
pretty
much
have
most
of
the
tools
in
the
electrical
versions
and
have
found
them
to
be
quite
compatible
in
power.
Much
quieter.
You
know
we
have
gas
powered
versions
as
well
and
in
a
majority
of
workers
prefer
electric
one.
O
The
biggest
kind
of
drawback
is
a
backpack
batteries
that
you
have
to
carry
it's
kind
of
heavy.
It
gets
hot
in
the
summer,
but
that
works.
I
know
there
is
a
lot
of
landscaping.
I
have
tried
an
Outreach
to
landscaping
companies
a
couple
years
ago
and
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
politicization
of
the
electrification
and
the.
Unless
people
have
tried
I
mean
they
wouldn't
know
so.
G
D
F
D
D
There
well
they're,
just
looking
at
total
load
they're
looking
at
total
energy
capacity
and
our
electricity
is
safe
and
what
they're
saying
what
they're
saying
in
their
last
report
is
new.
More
Renewables
needs
to
come
online
to
cover
all
of
the
plans
that
are
being
shut
down.
There's
a
lot
of
gas
plants
that
are
being
shut
down
so
I,
don't
know
if
that
helps.
I
F
M
C
We
we
dropped
down
in
the
percentage
of
renewable
or
clean
energy
in
in
our
part
of
the
grid,
once
Indian
Point
closed,
they
were
almost
11
or
12
percent
of
the
load
for
this
area,
so
that
went
right
to
gas
and
then
these
you
know,
I
know
that
they're
trying
to
do
distributed
solar
around
but
again
those
you
have
to
have
a
lot
of
those
to
make
up
for
a
600
megawatt
plan.
The.
F
C
C
D
I
And
I
would
imagine
too
that
almost
with
an
increase
in
demand
for
clean
electric
that
will
be
coming
up
with
resources
of
clean
Electric,
but
I
guess
I,
just
don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
we're
changing
from
one
thing
to
another,
but
still
where
we're
getting
our
electric
from
is
you
know
potentially
as
hazardous
on
a
grander
scale
than
you
know.
Your
backyard
so
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
both
for
an
entire
committee
for
everything
you've
done
so
far.
A
Yeah,
this
is
cool
stuff,
yeah,
I
I
very
much
want
a
landscape
review,
I'm
I'm
thinking
in
my
head
there's,
you
know
I
I'm
of
the
the
sort
that
uses
a
landscaper.
Sorry
I,
don't
know
my
lock
I
got
enough
going
on,
but
then
there
are.
You
know,
individuals
who
do
mow
their
lawn,
and
you
know
when
I
think
through
you
know
what
would
we
be
imposing
on
individuals?
A
You
know
who
are
doing
their
own
yard
versus
landscapers
I
I'd
very
much
like
to
understand
the
view
of
both
to
some
degree,
but
the
one
in
particular,
because
I
don't
want
to
affect
livelihood.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
hear
whether
they're
Alternatives
or
not
how
they
think
about
them.
Whether
they're
programs
I'm
very
interested
in
that
but
I'd,
be
interested
in
that
piece.
I'd
be
interested
into
whether
the
state
has
programming
in
this
area.
N
C
I
would
just
ask
that
before
we
take
any
action,
you
interview
some
of
your
department,
heads
yeah,
you
know.
One
of
the
exemptions
here
is:
is
a
property
over
one
acre
for
reference.
Memorial
Park
is
49
Acres.
Now
we
don't
maintain
all
of
it
some
of
its
woods,
but
we
we
use
leaf
blowers
on
a
lot
of
occasions,
including
for
milling
and
Paving,
when
we
actually
have
to
clean
the
dust
off
before
we
put
on
attack
coat
to
then
pave
over.
C
So
there
we
have
tried
battery
packs
on
Main
Street,
and
what
we've
found
is
that
the
batteries
still
are
not
there.
We
would
go
through
so
many
like.
If
you
think
about
how
much
work
somebody
can
do
in
an
eight
hour
shift,
we
would
run
through
an
awful
lot
of
batteries
and
and
again
I
think
you
should
hear
that
directly
from
your
department
heads
because
we
we
did
try
this.
There
are
some
things
that
might
work
electrically
like
in
in
certain
locations,
but
for
the
parks
and
for
Paving.
C
D
I
think
it's
helpful
to
have
the
perspectives
of
landscapers
and
city
employees
and
and
residents,
but
I
think
sometimes
what
happens
when
we
solicit
feedback
is
what
we
get
is
you
know
people
are
people
have
a
business
model
and
it's
successful
and
they
might
be
resisting
the
change
or
they
might
be
feeling
like
when
we're
asking
them
about
leaf
blowers.
They're
thinking,
why
do
I
have
to
carry
all
of
the
burden
of
climate
change?
A
So
yeah
I
I
just
want
the
the
input
that
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
accept
every
piece
of
input
at
face
value.
I
do
want
us
to
start
being
careful
as
to
how
we
are
regulating
my
understanding
as
to
our
Authority
is
with
respect
to
noise,
dust
and
particulates,
so
I
think
we
just
have
to
start
languaging
appropriately,
as
we
think
our
way
through
this
much
as
I
would
like
this
to
be
a
environmental
issue,
I
believe
it's
a
noise
issue.
We
just
need
to
be
careful
as
to
how
we
go
about
this
right.
D
A
B
Also
so
Dan,
the
answer
May
well
be
indeed
so.
The
answer
to
the
question
in
this
discussion
May
well
be
in
the
record
and
the
purpose
and
and
online
documents
that
were
set
for
when
Maplewood
adopted
its
ordinance.
So
the
language
may
not
have
explicit
language,
but
it
may
well
be
supported
by
beyond
the
line
documents.
So
we'll
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
and
make
sure
we
guide
you
appropriately
keeping
in
mind
the
lane
that
we've
set
out
here
so
that
you're
not
running
into
the
preemption
issue.
B
O
And
every
community
that
we
spoke
with
initially,
there
was
a
pushback
from
landscapers
and
they
said
it's
not
gonna
work
and
it's
going
to
be
miserable
and
they're
going
to
go
out
of
business,
but
because
there
was
a
stepped
in
implementation
within
a
couple
years,
updated
the
equipment
because
they
still
make
money
and
and
kind
of
it
worked
out.
And
you
know
it
pretty
much
guaranteed
to
hear
it's
not
going
to
work.
It's
not
powerful
enough.
O
A
Think
it's
important
for
us
to
hear
feedback
from
all
affected
groups
and
we
should
hear
directly
from
them
and
we'll
learn,
and
you
know
we'll
adapt
and
that's
how
we
should
go
about
it
and
I
think
your
statement
was
that
the
legislation
did
adapt.
It
didn't
just
ignore
the
feedback,
it
said
it
may
have
faced
it
in.
It
may
have
done
it
in
different
ways
and
those
are
important
elements
that
we
should.
We
should
be
listening
to
carefully
absolutely
yeah.
L
But
I
do
appreciate
the
recommendations
that
you've
given
us
are
based
off
of
all
of
that
feedback
from
multiple
municipalities
directly
from
landscapers,
even
though
it
was
going
to
it
was
directed
at
other
municipalities
and
I.
I.
Do
hope
and
expect
fingers
crossed
that
a
lot
of
the
feedback
we're
going
to
hear
is
reflected
already
in
this
really
extensive
document
which
thank
you
for
putting
it
together
and
that
I
agree
with
your
suggestions
around
phasing
and
around
offering
Alternatives
and
education
and.
A
Have
an
eight-hour
day
that
we
need
a
leaf
blower
battery
to
work
if,
if
it
doesn't
work
for
us,
it's
probably
telling
us
something
about
how
to
fix
landscapers
business
models.
Tell
us
a
number
of
things
which
would
be
reasons
to
go
in
the
direction
the
Paloma
said,
which
is
well,
then
you
you
do
phase-ins
or
you
do.
You
know
you
try
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
thing
work
correctly.
A
L
L
A
I
would
not
say
that
I'm
in
the
position
of
a
consensus
view
on
this
I'm
still
in
a
learning
view
a
seasonal
restriction
as
to
when
you
might
use
louder
leaf
blowers
as
to
where,
when
you
might
not
I,
don't
again,
I'd
be
interested
in
that
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
approach.
If
that's
included
in
the
options
I'm.
Okay,
you.
A
N
F
B
So
there
maybe
before
we
draft
the
legislation,
we
can
do
what
we've
done,
which
I
think
has
been
helpful,
make
a
decision
tree.
The
AC's
memo
outlined
some
of
those
issues,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
more
ourselves
and
we'll
put
together
that
decision
tree
and
that
will
then
guide
the
legislation
that
we
would
draft.
A
I
think
the
decision
tree
is
appropriate.
I
think
before
we
kind
of
assemble
that
we
should
try
to
think
what
other
bits
of
input
do
we
want
to
receive.
Obviously
the
city
you
know
is
an
easy
one
for
us
to
collect
some
info
from
and
so
I
think
Chris.
You
suggested
that
yeah
I'd
like
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
that.
A
A
A
I
There
any
reason,
another
sorry,
just
another
question
to
you
guys
that
we
that
you're,
not
considering
other
I,
know
you
said
you're
looking
at
mowers
in
the
future,
but
like
weed
whackers
I
think
are
almost
as
loud
and
as
used
as
often
is
a
reason
why
those
are
not
considered
part
of
the
band.
So.
O
We
were
asked
by
Chris
White
and
to
look
into
leave
blower
specifically
and
live
blowers.
Arguably
more
a
more
avoidable
product
like
you
can
accomplish
similar
things
without
leaf
blowers
or
you
can
change
your
practices
with
whacking
is
very
hard
to
avoid
in
in
landscape
and
many
are
actually
quieter,
and
you
have
four
cycle
engine
versions
that
are
much
quieter
and
much
cleaner
in
operation.
I
D
F
L
B
A
L
F
D
H
I'll
just
throw
out
there
that,
in
my
rigorous
online
research,
there's
also
some
municipalities
that
have
looked
at
Pilot
programs,
so
I'm
wondering
if
that's
something
the
city
might
consider
at
some
point
in
the
future.
I
know
that
next
year,
we're
kind
of
full
plate,
but
depending
on
how
we
do
with
the
law
overall,
like
look
at,
you
know,
testing
some
things
and
how
well
do
they
work
and
just
kind
of
as
I
I
like
the
idea
that
the
city
could
support
this.
H
But
is
there
the
opportunity
to
provide
the
equipment
and
see
how
it
works
and
and
kind
of
take
a
step
from
there?
So
I'd
be
curious
to
get
as
we
get
the
feedback
from
the
apartment
heads?
How
they're
feeling
about
that?
And
what
would
be
the
areas
that
might
they
might
be
open
to
around
that,
like.
H
F
A
D
A
A
You
know
we've
kind
of
been
through
this
issue
before,
which
is
you
know.
We
got
seven
elected
officials
here
and
the
way
that
we
should
be
doing
things
is
that
in
an
area
we
should
talk
policy
and
we
should
have
an
open
opportunity
to
discuss
policy
rather
than
Someone,
putting
a
piece
of
paper
on
the
table
ahead
of
time
that
addresses
all
the
questions.
Right.
That's
just
a
basic
kind
of
what
I
view
as
a
respect
issue.
A
If
there's
a
piece
of
legislation
in
front
of
us
and
I've
said
this
before
there's
two
issues
with
it-
one,
it
kind
of
precludes
us
from
kind
of
working
that
that
is
cleanly
it
kind
of
puts
a
straw
man
on
the
table
and
pushes
the
discussion
in
a
particular
way,
which
I
think
is
inappropriate.
Given
that
there's
seven
elected
officials
here,
the
other
thing
that
it
does
is
and
I
am
the
only
attorney
I'm.
The
only
attorney
by
training
at
this
table
and
I've
been
the
only
one
for
30
years.
A
Is
that
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
legislation
to
be
drafted
by
a
non-lawyer
who
doesn't
have
an
expertise
in
Municipal
law
who
isn't
hired
by
the
city
and
owes
the
fiduciary
duty
to
the
city?
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
with
respect
to
resolutions
right
resolutions
are
easy
right
and
I've
written
those,
but
legislation
is
quite
different
and
I
I
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
have
said
it
more
than
once
before
and
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
start
that
we
should
not
be
starting
there.
D
Well,
if
I
may
I
mean,
because
you
know
I
respect
your
opinion,
but
because
you
say
it
over
and
over
again
doesn't
mean
that
all
six
of
us
are.
You
know,
following
along
with
that
and
I
would
also
say
that
there
are
legislative
bodies
much
bigger
than
seven,
where
individuals
can
propose
a
written
law
and
start
the
conversation
with
a
written
law
and
I.
Don't
you
know,
I
I
want
everybody's
input
and
we're
not
put
putting
this
on
the
table
to
limit
conversation,
but
to
remove
gas
appliances
from
buildings.
D
A
Again,
we've
done
this
multiple
times
and
I
guess:
I
have
to
be
specific,
Dan
you've
multiple
times
drafted
legislation,
not
resolutions.
I
got
no
problem
with
that.
I
I
really
don't
understand
the
point
other
than
to
put
something
on
the
table
that
you
want
and
I
don't
think
it's
respectful
of
all
seven
of
us
just
to
be
honest,.
D
I'm
sorry
that
I'm
showing
you
all
disrespect,
but
the
reason
that
we
started
with
a
local
love,
is
because
there
are
already
local
laws
passed
in
New
York
state
and
it
didn't
make
any
sense
to
create
another
version
of
a
law
that
had
already
passed.
We
have
legislation
in
Ithaca,
we
have
legislation
in
New,
York
City.
A
All
right,
just
to
repeat
your
sentence
right.
You
said
there
was
an
ethical
fine,
provided
you
said
there
was
a
New
York,
City
law,
fine
provided,
but
the
next
sentence
was,
we
chose
again
you're,
making
a
choice
that
seven
of
us
should
be
making
provide.
The
ethical
law
provide
the
New,
York
City
law
and,
let's
start
up
a
discussion,
I'm
perfectly
fine.
With
that
I'd
like
to
go
in
this
direction,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
be
told
down
to
the
letter.
What
the
legislation
should
be
I
think
that's
inappropriate.
A
Furthermore,
you're
not
an
attorney
that
person's,
not
an
attorney,
none
of
the
people
that
touch
this
as
an
attorney,
none
is
admitted
in
New,
York
state
none
has
expertise
in
Municipal
law.
None
is
hired
by
the
city
and
none
owes
a
fiduciary
duty
to
the
city
and
I'm
sorry
to
have
to
be
as
direct
as
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate.
G
I
I
would
like
to
just
comment
that
personally
I
don't
find
the
way
that
Dan
and
Wilma
are
presenting
this
disrespectful
and
I
mean
again.
This
is
my
first
year
I'm
new
to
this
as
well,
but
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that
Dan
and
Paloma
have
put
in
to
try
to
figure
this
out
and
and
the
fact
that
they
are
working
with
the
city
attorney
to
help
figure
this
out
they
just
want.
G
N
I
I
I
too
appreciate
the
initiative
that
you've
shown,
but
I
do
I
found
it
a
bit
odd
to
First,
hear
about
this
through
Thomas
Wright,
who
called
me
to
tell
me
about
it,
as
opposed
to
my
fellow
Council
people,
the
next
person
or
the
next
source
of
information
I
got
was
the
the
newspaper
and
I
just
think
this
is
a
little
bit
backwards.
I
mean
we
should
be
working
together
as
a
team
and
presenting
information
to
the
Press
drawing
in
other
people.
I
You
know
to
contribute
their
voices,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
was
done.
Although
I
appreciate
all
the
work
I,
just
don't
think
it's
the
correct
process
and
and
I
don't
think
it's
about
respect,
I,
think
it's
it's
about
process
and
I.
Think
I
want
to
be
part
of
that
process
and
I
feel
left
out
to
some
degree.
I
know
that
we
have
plenty
of
opportunity
to
discuss
it
thoroughly,
but
it
just
seems
the
order
in
which
things
were
done
was
not
the
way
I'm
used
to
you
know.
Working
here.
I
I
A
D
Idea
behind
this
discussion
is
that
there
are
gas
appliances
in
our
homes,
which,
for
many
years
we
have
held
up
as
being
the
kind
of
highest
quality
appliances
that
was
just
nine
years
ago.
My
wife
and
I
were
really
excited
to
have
a
gas
range
in
our
kitchen
and
quite
embarrassed
of
that.
Now,
since
there's
been
so
much
information,
that's
come
to
light
over
the
last
10
years
and
so
there's
obviously
a
general
move
towards
electrification
and
one
of
the
areas
we're
going
to
do.
Electrification
is
gas.
D
Appliance
is
the
reason
being
is
that
32
percent
of
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
New
York
state
are
related
to
Heating
and
and
hot
water
they're
from
the
buildings,
and
in
addition
to
that
Beacon
set
out
in
2020
that
we
would
reduce,
we
would
try
to
reach
zero
Greenhouse
greenhouse
gas
emissions
for
the
entire
community
of
beacons
sooner
than
the
New
York
State
goal
of
2040..
So.
D
Doing
the
32
percent,
which
is
buildings
so
for
the
health
and
safety
of
our
residents
as
well.
So
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
need
to
get
gas
appliances
out
of
homes
is
because
they
leak
carbon
dioxide,
carbon
monoxide
methane,
which
is
25
times
more
powerful
of
a
greenhouse
gas
than
carbon
dioxide
and
Benzene
gas
ranges
actually
leak
Benzene
all
day,
long,
usually,
and
the
the
total
effect.
The
cancerous
effect
is
equal
to
a
secondhand
smoke.
D
Indoor
gas
increases
the
risk
of
asthma
in
children
by
42
percent
and
causes
over
1
000
early
deaths
per
year
and
Gas
Distribution,
of
course,
is
also
inherently
dangerous.
There's
an
accident
or
incident
in
U.S
gases,
because
Gas
Distribution
Systems
every
six
days
and
then
lastly,
there's
cost
savings.
So
the
electric
alternatives
to
the
gas
burning
appliances
are
equal
or
better
in
price.
D
I
actually
just
went
on
a
few
websites
like
Home
Depot
and
just
started
pricing
out
all
of
these
things
and
confirmed
that
the
electric
alternatives
are
the
same
or
even
cheaper
than
the
gas
burning
ones.
So
so,
by
removing
gas
appliances
from
homes
we
are
going
to
be
helping
we're
going
to
be
making
a
big
step
towards
our
climate
goals,
we're
going
to
be
helping
public
health
and
we'll
be
saving
people
money,
including
contractors.
L
Nick
I,
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
input
now
about
what
potential
mechanisms
we
would
have
and
what
Power
Authority
we
might
have
to
do
this
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
save
that
part
of
the
conversation
for
further
down
the
line
as
we
get
more
input
from
the
rest
of
council,
but
that
was
the
mechanism
for
accomplishing
this
goal.
Potentially.
A
Now,
hey
Nick,
can
you
just
stop
one
second
I
just
want
to
compliment
the
both
of
you.
You
both
can
make
as
many
statements
as
you
like,
without
putting
up
legislation.
I
think
that's
perfect.
So
just
keep
going
that
way
right,
because
we
can
have
that
conversation
without
having
the
piece
of
legislation
there
we
can
have
the
is
there
Authority.
That
was
your
next
question.
L
But
yes,
I,
obviously
have
thought
quite
a
lot
about
this,
so
I
don't
mind
particularly
adapting
how
I
communicate
it
to
council
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
am
also
hearing
that
it
feels
off
to
not
have
the
conversation
in
Council
meetings.
First,
however,
I
know
that
all
of
us
talk
to
our
constituents
all
the
time
and
there
are
conversations
that
we
have
with
constituents,
ideas
that
come
to
us
from
the
public,
and
that
is
a
natural
part
of
discourse
and
the
Democratic
process.
L
Obviously,
I
am
particularly
focused
on
engagement
through
participatory
budgeting
and
through
the
community.
Quarterlys
are
my
particular
I
guess:
pet
projects
are
things
that
really
inspire
me
and
how
we
engage
with
the
public
and
solicit
ideas
from
the
public
but
again
I.
My
intention
was
never
to
keep
ideas
from
my
fellow
council
members,
but
you
know
we
meet
once
a
week.
L
We
have
workshops
every
two
weeks
and
I
talk
to
constituents
every
day,
and
so
there
are
going
to
be
conversations
that
happen
that
are
going
to
happen
outside
of
council
first,
but
I
trust
that
the
deliberative
process,
that
happens
when
we
are
in
workshop
and
before
well
before
we
actually
make
any
final
decisions
or
take
any
votes,
do
go
through
a
full
deliberative
process
where
all
seven
of
us
have
an
equal
voice
and
an
equal
chance
to
change.
What
we're
discussing
just
took
me
a
minute
to
formulate
my
thoughts
on
that.
L
B
Certainly
so
I
I
think
following
this
issue
for
probably
over
two
years,
if
not
a
bit
longer,
both
of
my
capacity
as
a
municipal
attorney,
but
also
my
capacity
as
a
appetite
as
the
chair
of
the
New
York
State
Bar,
Association,
that
energy
and
environmental
law
section.
So
we've
been
following
this
issue,
and
it's
one
that
certainly
tied
into
the
climate
change
issues
and
the
question
at
least
I'm.
A
municipal
attorney
side
has
been.
How
do
you
implement
that
and
what
is
the
authority
and
I
was
hoping.
B
Your
state
would
at
least
address
that
by
adopting
legislation
that
was
introduced
this
past
year
in
the
governor's
budget
bill
would
be
all
New,
York,
State
Electric
building
act,
but
that
did
not
get
adopted.
So
without
the
state
legislation
we
turn
back
to.
What
is
the
authority
of
the
municipality
local
municipality
to
adopt
it?
B
I
will
know
that
New
York
City
Is,
At
least
unto
itself
and
that,
for
example,
the
New
York
State
Building
Code
does
not
apply
to
New
York
City
for
specific
language
and
legislation
that
says
New
York
City
adopts
its
own
code
is
not
bound
to
the
New
York
State
Building
Code.
So,
if
we're
viewing
this
from
a
building
standpoint,
the
local
municipality
Beacon
is
preempted
by
the
New
York
State
Building
Code.
If
we're
looking
at
this
from
regulating
utility
hookups,
the
city
is
preempted
by
the
public
service
law.
B
The
public
utility
law
and
we've
had
discussion
on
this
issue
over
the
past
two
years
or
more,
with
the
New
York
State
Public
Service
Commission,
with
nyserda
and
with
other
officials
in
the
state
agencies,
as
well
as
with
Nikon
and
the
association
of
towns
and
other
Municipal
trade
groups.
There's
also,
if
you're
regulating
it
from
an
admissions
standpoint,
preemption
again
on
the
federal
law
from
the
federal
Clean,
Air
Act,
because
we're
looking
at
it
from
emissions,
the
New
York
City
law
has
been
challenged
on
a
preemption
basis
for
some
of
the
areas
that
I've
mentioned.
B
The
ethical
law,
which
was
co-adopted
by
both
the
town
and
the
separate
city
of
Ithaca,
has
not
been
challenged
and
those
are
the
only
two
laws
that
are
out.
There
is,
however,
a
provision
in
the
New
York
State
energy
code,
section
11,
Dash,
one
zero,
nine
of
the
New
York
State
energy
code
that
permits
municipalities
to
adopt
local
energy
codes
that
are
more
restrictive
than
the
New
York
State
energy
code.
New
York
City
did
not
go
that
route.
B
New
York
City
adopted
its
own
code
and
the
claim
there
is
that
it's
preempted
by
a
variety
of
state
and
federal
laws,
Ithaca,
town
and
City,
adopted
to
pursuant
to
the
energy
code,
so
I
believe
there
is
a
way
to
regulate
this
I've
not
looked
at
either
laws
in
any
great
detail:
New
York,
City
or
the
town
or
city
of
Ithaca.
It
would
require
some
research.
It
is
a
changing
field
with
different
views
on
it,
so
I
would
have
to
speak
to
the
musical
attorney
in
Ithaca.
B
I
would
reach
out
to
our
contacts
again
at
the
at
this
appropriate
state
agencies,
including
the
I,
bring
a
discussion
in
with
the
division
of
codes
which
administers
the
energy
code
for
the
New
York
State
Department
of
State,
and
give
it
some
more
photos
to
where
that
Authority
lies.
I
do
believe
there
is
an
ability
to
do
so.
The
question
becomes
the
big
striking
difference
between
ways
to
regulate
it.
If
it's
going
through
the
energy
code,
it
does
require
some
documentation,
some
backup
behind
it.
B
It's
not
as
simple
as
the
state
legislation
which
said
thou
shall
not
use.
You
know
natural
gas,
it
must
be
all
electric.
The
city
does
not
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
so
the
city
would
have
to
adopt
it
through
the
energy
code
and
come
up
with
applicable
Provisions
to
do
that,
and
that
requires
some
research
into
how
best
to
do
that
in
a
manner
that
is
legal.
A
A
So
I
I
would
need
to
kind
of
learn,
independent
Nick
of
what
work
you
have
to
do
to
say.
Suppose
we
wanted
to
do
something.
How
would
we
go
about
it?
What
I
would
like
to
understand
is
why
would
we
do
that
at
this
particular
point
in
time?
Is
there
some?
You
know,
I
said
the
same
to
the
council
when
it
was
looking
to
adopt
the
state
standards
but
go
to
a
higher
level
than
the
state
and
I
said
I.
Don't
think
we
know
how
to
do
that.
A
I
think
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
is
Achieve
the
state's
goals
sooner,
and
that
requires
trade-offs
of
what's
the
kind
of
best
bang
for
the
buck
or
when
is
the
technology
appropriate
that
it
is
actually
the
most
efficient
thing
to
do
at
this
stage,
and
I
would
think
that
the
people
that
have
that
information
are
someone
like
nyserda
or
someone
from
the
state
building
codes
or
something
and
I'd
like
to
learn
that
information
in
order
to
kind
of
get
some
feel
for?
Is
this
the
right
thing
to
do?
A
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
learn
right,
because
I
can't
tell
whether
should
we
do
this
one
just
because
someone
found
it
somewhere
in
Ithaca
of
all
places
or
is
there
something
else
that
we
should
be
doing?
The
one
example
that
I
came
with
was
some
of
us
were
on
Council
when
we
adopted
the
stretch
building
code,
so
the
state
did
a
more
efficient
building
code
and
a
safer
one.
Whatever
their
criteria
was,
and
they
said
this
is
going
to
be
our
building
code.
A
You
know
in
this
year,
but
if
communities
wanted
to
adopt
it
sooner,
they
empowered
us
they
give
us
the
authority
to
adopt
that
code
sooner
I'd
be
really
interested
if
I
Serta
somebody
had
that
code
or
the
parts
of
the
efficiency
process
and
said
all
right,
this
is
going
to
be
the
requirement
in
2028,
but
communities
could
adopt
it.
You
know
this
part
this
many
years
sooner.
This
part
this
many
years
sooner.
That
would
give
us
a
give
me
a
lot
of
comfort
that
we're
picking
the
right
stuff
right
this
one.
F
D
A
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
because
I
I
went
to
nicer
and
I
started,
looking
up
information
because
I'm
interested
in
this
area,
but
I
want
to
be
informed
on
how
we
go
about
it
right,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
kind
of
looking
for
that
evidence.
I
did
something
really
basic.
I
looked
at
my
home's
heating
bill,
I
looked
at
my
home's
gas
usage
for
the
last
three
years.
A
I
had
to
ignore
this
year,
because
our
bills
are
a
disaster
this
year
right,
but
I
looked
at
the
last
three
and
we
have
a
gas
dryer,
a
gas
stove,
a
gas
water
heater,
and
then
we
have
gas
heat.
The
first
three
represented
five
percent
six
percent
and
seven
percent
of
my
total
gas
usage
at
our
home
and
95
94
and
93
of
our
usage
was
Heat
so
that
that
kind
of-
and
that's
just
anecdotal,
obviously
but
it's
like.
A
Maybe
we
should
be
chasing
that
because
if
people
really
want
I,
don't
think
they
care
whether
they're
drier
is
gas
or
not,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
care
whether
their
stove
is
right
and
it's
like
well
hang
on.
But
if
we
know
that
that's
a
minor
component,
why
don't
we
chase
the
major
ones
so
that
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
I
want
to
learn
because
I
want
to
I
want
to
be
smart
about
it
and
I
and
I?
Don't
think
we
want
to
piss
off
everybody.
A
So
maybe
we
want
to
find
the
biggest
bang
now
on
on
and
I
I
went
further.
I
want
to
learn
what
Builders
are
doing,
because
I
I
think
they're
already
starting
this
or
maybe
the
Smart
Ones
are,
and
maybe
there's
enough
incentive
structures
out
there
that
one
it
doesn't
matter.
If
we
do
it
or
two,
maybe
we
need
to
be
incent,
you
know
providing
an
incentive
like
okay,
if
it's
a
large
building-
and
you
do
this-
we'll
give
you
an
extra.
A
You
know
two
percent
of
units
or
something
especially,
if
there's
an
extra
cost.
We
can.
We
can
subsidize
it
even
if
they
can't
right,
even
if
there
isn't
a
state
program,
so
I
I'm,
very
interested
in
this
area.
I
just
I'm.
Just
not
sure
this
is
the
right.
First
approach
and
I'd
like
us
to
learn
a
comprehensive
data
set
to
kind
of
get
at
this
right,
so
I,
I,
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
was
too
hardcore.
L
L
C
L
And
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
get
into
this
level
of
detail
either,
but
thinking
through
the
fact
that
the
the
incentives
and
the
cost
benefit
for
residential
structures
are
quite
clear
and
and
to
your
point,
Lee
we'll
make
sure
we're
collating
and
collecting
that
data.
So
everyone
can
look
at
it
at
the
same
time,
but
thinking
through
implications
for
other
types
of
buildings
and
again
maybe
this
is
an
instance
where
we
just
want
to
collect
that
data
and
look
at
it
at
another
time.
A
But
yeah
I
think
there's
got
to
be
some
experts
again,
maybe
nyserda,
maybe
building
code
folks
there
might
be
someone
at
nikom.
That's
done
a
lot
of
work
here,
because
other
communities
have
got
to
be
asking
the
question
and
maybe
we
can
kind
of
get
some.
You
know
information
from
them
as
we
develop
kind
of
you
know
what
do
we?
What
are
we
learning?
What's
our
best?
You
know
first
few
steps
so.
B
When
we
discuss
the
stretch,
energy
code,
we
were
in
discussions
with
an
individual
at
nyserda.
I
will
reach
back
out
to
her
because
they
were
one
of
the
groups.
I
would
contact
in
terms
of
preemption
and
other
laws
that
might
address
this
issue
and
I
can
ask
them
if
they
have
some
overall
comprehensive
documents
or
explanation
or
be
willing
to
come
to
the
council
and
discuss
the
issue.
If
you
would
like.
A
C
And,
and
in
the
shorter
term,
we
actually
have
to
pass
an
update
to
the
building
code
to
comply
with
a
new
law
by
the
end
of
this
year.
So
we're
going
to
be
bringing
something
to
you
unrelated
to
this
at
the
next
Workshop
Nick.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
say
about
that?
Update
to
the
uniform
code.
B
Sure
it's
fairly
administrative,
it's
also
required
the
New
York
state
code
rightly
gets
updated
and
there
are
some
Provisions
that
the
state
is
mandating
old
municipalities
adopt
pertaining
to
the
administration
of
the
code,
and
we've
been
working
with
building
inspector
Bruce
on
making
those
revisions
that
are
fairly
significant
and
we'll
go
through
them
and
have
a
memo
prepare
just
to
discuss
them
with
Council.
They
do
need
to
be
adopted
by
December
31st.
D
A
C
B
B
G
L
The
last
section
of
the
presentation
was
similar
to
The
Leaf.
Lower
band
recommendations
was
around
education
and
a
study
of
and
sharing
information
of,
the
Technologies
and
recommendations
and
offering
Solutions
alternative
solutions
to
people.
You
know
I've
learned
a
lot
myself
in
researching
this
potential
policy
about
all
of
the
different
kinds
of
utility
Alternatives,
almost
all
of
which
are
cost
saving
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are,
as
we
are
considering,
regulations
offering
Alternatives
because
they're
there
and
it's
just
about
sharing
information
and
making
sure
people
understand
about
it.
L
A
It
I
know
no
I,
I
said
I
I
compliment
you
right
because
you
can.
You
can
do
the
whole
thing
without
a
piece
of
legislation
right
and
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
that
we
should
start
to
learn
right
and
around
the
codes
are
I.
Think
is
an
important
area,
because
the
state's
working
in
this
direction
and
I
think
they
can
help
us
a
lot
and
I
don't
mind
being
a
few
years
ahead
of
them.
But
you
know
if
they
got
something
on
their
calendar.
That's
20
years
out
that
we're
wanting
to
do
now.
A
A
A
D
But
it
prompted
the
question
and
I
raised
it
in
air
roads
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
into
this,
and
Nick
has
been
a
really
valuable
resource
in
this
conversation.
Actually,
for
three
years,
he's
been
sending
me
articles
about
this
to
my
personal
email
by
the
way
Nick
so
you're
making
me
foilable
now
so
so
you
know
we
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time.
D
Looking
at
this
issue
and
reading
about
this
issue
and
and
the
the
conversation
that
we're
having
about
climate,
the
conversation
we're
having
about
public
health
and
the
conversation
we're
having
about
costs
are
very
well
researched
and
we
can.
We
have
that
research
available,
there's
a
lot
of
it
out
there
and
we'll
share
that.
A
Yeah
I
think
for
new
construction,
we're
probably
not
a
long
ways
off
from
this
being.
You
know
right,
but
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
see
that
piece
of
the
puzzle.
It
may
not
be
necessary,
but
that's
the
other
piece
we
could
learn,
which
is
if
it's
already
more
efficient
or
there's
already
some
incentives
to
make
it
happen.
A
D
L
A
A
You
know
incentives
to
do
the
rehabs
I
mean
steam
rate.
It's
not
even
just
a
radiator
system
in
our
house.
It's
steam
radiator
the
concept
of
replacing
that
is
just
probably
the
last
10
percent
on
the
list
right,
because
it's
just
too
old
and
you
know
so,
there's
some
structure
to
it.
We
just
gotta
get
a
handle
on
it,
where
we,
where
we're
not
doing
something
dumb,
where
we're
doing
something
smart,
right
and
I,
think
we
can
get
advice
on
that.
I.
L
Think
in
addition
to
hearing
from
nyserda,
it
would
be
helpful
potentially
to
hear
from
examples
of
people
who
have
done
Renovations
in
Beacon,
because
there
are
quite
a
few.
The
Howland
Center
speaking
of
historical
buildings
has
done
some
electrification
projects,
and
my
understanding
is
that
several
large
developments
that
are
coming
online
will
be
electric,
not
to
say
Obviously,
our
own
firehouse,
and
so
perhaps
it
would
be
helpful
to
also
hear
from
examples
of
Builders
who
are
doing
it
right.
D
C
D
And
I
think
it
goes
out
saying
that
all
of
this
means
a
little
lead
time
and
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
doing
that
is
helping
contractors
get
up
to
speed
and
getting
additional
licenses
or
whatever
kind
of
training
that
they
need
for
for
replacing
the
systems
but
I'm,
not
a
contractor.
So
I
don't
know
what
those
things
are,
but
it
seems
like
giving
a
little
lead
time
to.
The
trades
is
a
good
idea.
A
N
B
A
B
Someone
to
use
a
third-party
system
you're,
taking
away
Authority
from
abilities
Vector,
so
the
building
inspectors
want
to
determine
something
is
in
compliance
with
the
code
or
not,
and
there's
been
criticism
and
I
think
some
lawsuits
about
requiring
leads
because
then
you're
taking
it
away
from
the
New
York
State
Building
Code,
and
putting
in
some
requirement
with
respect
to
a
third
party
administrator.
So
municipalities
have
gotten
around
that
by
or
knock
out
around
it
worked
within
that
framework
by
making
it
I
believe
voluntary.
So
that's
another
angle.
B
I
would
look
at
to
see
if
that's
being
changed
over
the
years,
but
you
could
look
into
requiring.
This
is
what
Ithaca
does
a
point
system
as
Dan
had
indicated,
ithaca's
point
system
and
its
statute
is
it's
over
70
pages
and
it's
very
complex
and
obviously
beacon
in
the
talents
that
you
know
are
two
different,
not
really
comparables.
F
D
D
F
A
A
To
kind
of
get
there,
you
might
want
to
toss
those
ideas
out
as
well,
then
there's
an
Outreach
that
we
want
to
do
to
somebody
who
might
be
nyserda
might
be
Nikon
might
be
State,
Building,
Code
to
start
learning,
where's
the
state
heading
and
are
there
kind
of
things
we
can
latch
on
to
to
understand
what
should
be
happening
first
and
what
the
state
might
be
doing?
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
who's.
The
right
party,
so
yeah.