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From YouTube: Beacon Workshop 1-23-23
Description
The City of Beacon Council Workshop from January 23, 2023
B
Okay
good
evening,
Welcome
to
our
workshop
for
January
23rd
I'll
be
sitting
in
for
Mayor
Lee
kiriaku,
who
is
excused
as
well
as
Justice,
also
could
not
make
it
this
evening.
So
a
roll
call
right
everyone's
here
we
have
Nick
Ward
Willis
Molly
Paloma
ran
Dan
and
Chris
White,
so
we
will
start
first
with
a
discussion
regarding
proposed
Renovations
and
a
new
pilot
agreement
for
Tompkins
Terrace,
Housing,
Development
and
I
believe
Nick
will
or
Chris
yeah.
C
A
little
different
about
this
type
of
a
pilot
agreement,
it's
not
your
traditional
one!
That's
under
an
Ida
agreement,
it's
under
what's
called
veneer,
State
private
financing,
housing
law,
similar
to
what
West,
End
Lofts
next
door
applied
for
when
they
came
for
a
pilot
agreement,
it's
a
longer
term,
it's
40
years
and
it's
also
solely
within
the
discretion
of
the
city
council.
It's
not
subject
to
any
review
by
the
county
or
the
school
district
or
the
other
taxing
agencies.
C
So
this
is
something
similar
to
West
End
loss
and
it's
within
the
discretion
of
the
city
council
to
grant
that
exemption
as
a
pilot
40-year
pilot
for
the
real
property
taxes
that
applies
across
all
taxes,
in
this
case,
you're
really
looking
at
the
assessment.
So
that's
why
it's
with
the
the
city
under
the
public,
private,
Finance,
housing
law?
Yes,.
D
C
It's
pretty
difficult
to
figure
out
a
lot
of
what
New
York
state
legislators
does
do.
I
can
only
imagine
as
part
of
their
housing
scheme
and
that
they
wanted
done
by
the
city
council.
That
would
also
be
I
honestly,
don't
know.
I
can
only
imagine
I,
don't
know,
but
I
know
that
the
pilots
are
generally
for.
In
addition
to
property
taxes,
it's
also
mortgage
tax
and
sales
tax.
So
that's
different
than
what
you
the
incentives
you
would
get
under
the
private
Finance
housing
law.
A
And
and
just
to
be
clear
right
now
there
there
isn't
a
pilot
agreement,
but
there
is
a
provision
from
the
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Renewal
that
has
directed
the
city
to
treat
this
in
in
the
following
manner.
We
take
their
gross
rents
and
we
can
only
charge
10
percent
of
their
gross
rents
for
all
of
the
taxes
for
the
four
taxing
entities.
So
it's
the
city,
the
school
district,
the
library
and
the
county.
Currently
they
pay
about
290
000
a
year.
A
So
there's
no
agreement
in
place
at
all
right
now,
guaranteeing
any
continuance
of
affordability
once
the.
If,
if
a
different
company
came
in-
and
they
said,
hey
we're
going
to
buy
this
and
then
2032
and
then
2035
when
the
different
affordability,
easements
or
Provisions
expire,
and
they
could
take
it
market
rate
and
then
then
it
would
be
more
assessed.
This
really
isn't
based
on
the
assessment,
it's
a
based
on
the
revenues
and
that's
that's
similar
to
Beacon
Housing,
Authority,
Meadowbrook,
Meadow
Ridge
one
and
two
Highland
Meadow
and
West
End
Lofts
and.
A
There
would
be
like
this
agreement
that,
as
long
as
we
keep
that
in
place,
they
would
have
to
abide
by
the
affordability
Provisions
that
that
we
would
put
in
the
agreement
so
and
and
again,
I
think
the
next
step
would
be
for
the
attorneys
to
figure
out
a
way
to
ensure
that
the
affordability
remains
that
the
individuals
who
currently
have
who
rent
those
apartments
are
guaranteed
the
right
to
stay
there.
So
we
we
would
put
those
Protections
in
any.
A
You
know
in
any
agreement
that
we
we
do
with
them,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
this
back
and
say.
Look
we've
learned
some
things
over
the
past
week
because
we
started
asking
well.
How
did
we
do
West
End
loss?
Why
did
why?
Did
they
not
have
to
go
to
the
Ida?
Now
related
will
go
to
the
Ida
for
two
other
things.
One
is
tax-free
bonds
which
are
necessary
to
do
that.
A
The
Ida
can
do
that
again
without
going
to
the
school
district
going
to
I
mean
that's
a
pretty
simple
process
and
then
sales
tax
abatement.
But
we
would
have
the
direct
agreement
and
I
like
that
better,
because
when
you
have
the
Ida
involved,
they
actually
the
Ida
becomes
like
a
leaseholder
or
an
owner
of
the
property.
Isn't
that
right,
Nick.
C
B
A
E
I
mean
I,
guess
I
have
some
more
now
again
because
of
the
pressing,
so
I
asked
about
well
you've
addressed
tenant
protections,
but
yeah
Supportive
Housing.
So
if
we
have
more,
you
know
sort
of
control
over
the
terms.
I
would
like
to
see.
Supportive
Housing
set
aside
I
understand
his
answer
to
that
question:
Justin
right,
yeah.
A
F
A
A
But
but
again
these
there
are
people
living
there
today
that
don't
have
Supportive
Housing
they
they
and
I
would
just
venture
to
guess.
Most
of
them
don't
need
Supportive
Housing
if
you're
setting
aside
units
and
we're
saying
nobody's
going
to
be
leaving
their
unit,
that
that
kind
of
con
conflicts
with
with
people
living
there
not
needing.
E
G
Point
is
that
we'd
like
to
look
at
what
it
would
mean
to
include
infrastructure,
whether
that
means
I,
don't
think
we're
talking
about
a
hospital
bed,
but
if
there
is
a
room
in
the
community
center
to
have
an
office
so
that
down
the
line
as
people
move
out
of
this
housing
and
because
people
you
know,
even
though
you're
guaranteed
at
least
renewal,
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you're
going
to
be
in
the
same
unit
indefinitely.
We're
talking
about
a
40-year
agreement.
A
B
B
A
B
G
G
G
C
A
A
I
Great
sorry
for
the
trouble
there,
with
the
connection
appreciate
the
time
this
evening
from
the
council,
thanks
for
having
us
back
so
to
address
a
few
points
that
I
think
came
up
and
I
apologize.
I
was
disconnected
there
for
a
little
bit
and
getting
back
on,
but
the
starting
point
is
actually
a
tick
above
where
the
current
pilot
stands
today
and
what
the
property
is
able
to
pay
today,
which
is
about
290
that
Mr
Chris
White
mentioned.
I
We
do
use
other
resources
through
our
management
company
to
connect
residents
that
are
in
need
of
services
with
local
agencies,
whether
that's
City
level,
county
level
or
state
level
or
national
level.
We
pull
in
resources
through
the
related
Affordable
foundation,
as
well
as
in
connection
with
that.
The
foundation
that
I
presented
them
last
week
touches
on.
You
know
a
number
of
of
pillars:
I
would
call
them
in
Workforce
Development
food
security,
Education,
Health
and
Wellness
and
and
those
aspects
are
brought
to
properties.
I
I
I
We
wouldn't
enter
into
agreement
that
immediately
puts
us
in
non-compliance
from
day
one
because
there's
a
Supportive
Housing
set
aside,
that
that
we
can't
quite
meet
I,
will
say
that
you
know
Tompkins
Terrace
does
based
on
on
the
rental
structure
and
the
layer
that
we
have
in
place,
not
with
just
the
the
existing
regulatory
agreement
from
HCR,
but
also
the
61
units
that
are
subsidized
by
Beacon
House
Authority
through
the
project-based
voucher
contract.
Those
you
know,
those
units,
those
households
are
I
would
call
you
know,
kind
of
deeply
at
risk
or
deeply
at
need.
I
They.
They
are
at
a
income
level
much
lower,
and
this
is
information
we
can
provide,
but
there
they
would
be
at
an
income
level,
much
lower
than
just
the
50
Ami
or
60
Ami
bans
that
exist
today.
They
could
be
as
low
as
as
30
20
or
even
zero
percent,
meaning
that
they
that
the
household
has
zero
income
and
the
the
subsidy
program
picks
up
their
rent.
I
So
the
the
property
houses
on
on
the
low
end
or,
on
the
one
end
some
of
the
lowest
income
residents
of
Beacon,
but
then,
as
I
presented
them
last
week,
there's
also
a
a
strong
Workforce
housing
component
where
we
have
households
that
are
earning
income.
You
know
in
the
Forty
to
sixty
thousand
dollar
range
that
still
qualified
to
live
at
Tompkins
receiving
reduced
rent.
They
might
not
benefit
from
a
voucher
directly
or
through
the
Housing
Authority,
but
they're
still
able
to
live
at
Tompkins
Terrace.
F
H
Sure,
yes,
thank
you
Justin.
My
question
around
Ada
units
was
I,
know,
I.
Think
in
your
initial
presentation
you
said
you
want
to
set
aside
10
and
I'm
wondering
how
you
came
to
that
number
of
ADA
units
and,
if
there's
any
thought
about
having
more
than
10
units
at
least
be
flexible,
that
they
could
have
Ada
components
added
to
them.
As
the
population
aged.
I
Sure
so,
a
few
few
answers
to
that.
So
the
the
number
of
10
comes
from
what
HUD
in
the
state
requires
as
part
of
doing
an
affordable
preservation.
As
as
what
we
proposed,
you
know
the
structure,
we
propose
it's
a
five
percent,
you
fast
requirement,
so
five
percent
of
the
units
have
to
be
Ada
fully
Ada
accessible
and
brought
up
to
the
current
codes,
regardless
of
where
they
stand
today,
and
so
that
translates
over
to
the
10
count
that
was
presented
on
in
order
to
add
more,
it
would
be
somewhat
logistically
challenging.
I
I
It
typically
adds
about
an
extra
30
to
40
000
per
unit,
to
make
all
of
the
Ada
unit
upgrades
that
that
are
required
for
code,
so
going
above
and
beyond
the
10
would
add
substantial
costs
to
the
scope
of
work,
above
that
14.5
million
that
we
presented
on
last
week
and
and
that
would
just
require
retooling
of
the
budget
and
structure
of
this
transaction
and
what
we
could
accommodate.
It
really
is
a
bit
of
a
balancing
act
in
terms
of
the
number
of
inputs.
I
You
know
what
we're
restricted
on
events,
what
we
proposed
on
the
pilot
at
the
310k
starting
point,
all
of
it
works
in
tandem
with
each
other.
So
if
you
start
pulling
on
one
lever,
whether
whether
it's
you
know
doing
a
deeper
skew
on
the
set-aside
for
permanent
Supportive
Housing
or
adding
Ada
units,
these,
you
know
well
things
that
they
could
be
considered.
I
They
usually
add
costs,
they
restrict
rent,
they
add
operating
operating
complexity
or
costs
reporting
costs,
and
these
would
just
be
things
that
would
need
to
be
factored
in
that
that
aren't
there
today.
With
all
that
said,
there
is
a
process
called.
This
is
the
504
process
that
that
our
management
company
would
respond
to
if
a
resonance,
what's
called
a
504
accommodation
request,
reasonable
accommodation,
our
management
company
would
have
to
put
in
things
like
you
know
like
like
an
88,
how
shower
tub.
I
If
it's
not
accessible
for
them
today,
we
would,
we
would
you
know,
change
out
a
tub
for
a
shower
or
roll
and
shower
add,
grab
bars
as
common
and
bathrooms
or
in
bedrooms.
Those
are
things
that
we
can
do
from.
You
know,
call
it
a
repairs,
budget
or
a
capex
budget
that
are
reasonable
accommodations,
but
as
far
as
completely
upgrading
a
unit
to
be
Ada
code
above
the
10..
E
Thank
you
for
that
answer
about
Supportive
Housing
set
aside.
I'd,
definitely
appreciate
that
Housing
Finance
is
complicated
and
that
making
your
numbers
work
is
complicated
and
I.
Very
much
appreciate
that
related
is
keeping
housing.
Some
housing
deeply
affordable
in
Beacon,
where
you
know
we
struggle
to
make
that
happen.
I'm
just
curious.
If
related
I
know
you
have
a
large
portfolio.
If
you
do
joint
ventures
with
Supportive,
Housing
elsewhere
in
other
communities
in
New,
York,
state
or
otherwise,
or
if
it's
a
policy
that
you
don't.
I
I
E
Well,
sometimes
there
are
the
so.
The
DV
populations
do
serve
families,
and-
and
sometimes
there
has
been
a
disconnect
between
that
specific
population
and
Supportive
Housing
at
large
you're-
absolutely
right
that
it's
usually
we're
looking
at
Singles
and
formerly
homeless,
mentally
ill
populations,
but
for
domestic
violence.
I,
just
wonder
if
there,
if
there's
any
difference
there,
but
I
I,
really
appreciate
all
of
your
answers
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thanks
Justin.
H
In
terms
of
next
steps,
there
might
be
a
question
for
you,
Nick
I'm
kind
of
curious
in
terms
of
your
due
diligence
and
determining
what
the
right
set
amount
is.
It
sounds
like
the
two
and
a
quarter
percent
compounding
is
the
standards
what
we've
done
before.
So
maybe
that's
what
we're
saying
we're
agreeing
to,
but
I
didn't
know
if
there's
further
work
that
you
were
planning
to
do
just
to
kind
of
look
at
that
and
compare
what
we've
done.
H
H
A
E
I
I
We
are
basically
the
sponsor
of
the
transaction,
the
one
pulling
together
the
resources,
the
debt,
the
taxes
that
bonds
from
the
dcida
working
with
this
group
on
the
pilot
portion,
that's
required
to
make
it
all
happen
and
then
there's
an
outside
investor.
Typically,
a
bank
that
would
come
in
and
make
that
investment
on
that
on
the
equity
side
and
to
clarify
just
something
I
didn't
want
to
jump
in,
but
on
the
application
we
did
put
in
a
Draft
application
to
the
dcida.
I
We
would
continue
to
keep
that
on
hold
until
we
have
an
arrangement
here
with
the
city
of
beacon
on
a
new
pilot,
but
once
you
know
once
we
do
hopefully
have
an
agreement
or
a
path
forward.
Under
our
approach,
we
can
move
the
pieces
quickly
with
Sarah
Lee
at
the
dcida
to
to
accomplish
the
transaction.
G
I
So
the
the
ideas
involvement
would
be
if
we
go
to
the
private
Housing
Finance
law
route,
which
Chris
and
Council
have
raised
this
evening
be
dcid.
The
dcida
would
not
be
involved
in
the
pilot
portion,
so
the
application
that
that
we
would
finalize
with
the
dcida
would
just
be
for
the
sales
tax
exemption,
which
is
the
materials
that
are
purchased
purchased
specifically
for
this
project.
So
all
think
all
like
flooring
in
all
paint
all
appliances,
Windows
roofing
materials
insulation.
I
All
of
that
would
be,
it
would
be
a
sales
tax
component
that
that's
saved
and
met
those
dollars
would
allow
us
to
basically
level
more
scope,
more
construction
work
to
put
into
the
project
again,
you
know
revisit
the
analogy
I
made
about
the
balancing
act
with
the
different
inputs.
This
is
an
input
we
are
underwriting.
Is
the
sales
tax
exemption
piece?
So
that's
one
component
with
the
dcida
and
then
the
second
piece
is
the
taxes
that
bonds,
which
are
required
to
be
awarded
the
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
to
complete
the
renovation.
I
So
the
bonds
are
required
to
get
the
tax
credits
and
then
subsequently,
the
equity
that
goes
into
the
renovations.
So
those
those
components
are
tied
together.
The
dcida
would
not
be
involved
in
the
pilot.
The
pilot
would
just
be
with
the
city
of
Beacon.
Should
we
go
that
route,
so
any
allusion
to
a
pilot,
DCA
Ida
would
just
be
removed
from
the
application
once
it's
once.
It's
finalized.
D
Just
want
to
say,
even
if
it's
not
a
right
foot
the
right
fit
for
this
project,
that
I
I
really
support
the
idea
of
exploring
Supportive,
Housing,
permanent
and
temporary
and
Beacon
I
know.
This
is
something
that
the
the
county
and-
and
maybe
the
partners
take
care
of
at
the
county
level,
but
some
conversations
that
Brandon
and
I
had
Yvette
Valdez
Smith
from
the
County
Legislature
is
at
their
support
of
housing
in
Dutchess
County.
But
it's
primarily
in
Poughkeepsie
or
or
it's
a
hope.
D
H
A
question
that
I
had
related
to
us
making
a
decision
that
could
impact
school
taxes
appreciating
that
they
are
currently
lower
than
they
would
be
in
the
future.
I'm
just
curious
what
we
did
when
we
did
West
End
Lofts
like
if
we
notified
the
school.
If
we
didn't
do
anything
for
them,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
a
good
relationship
with
our
school
board
and
just
kind
of
want
to
know
what
we've
done
in
the
past.
C
A
And-
and
you
know
it's
important-
the
the
context
of
this
is
important,
they're
paying
290.
Now,
if
we
do
nothing,
that's
going
to
stay
at
about
290.
for
many
years
and
then
at
a
point,
the
affordability
controls
on
this
are
going
to
expire.
In
fact,
I
think
one
of
them
expires
now.
So
some
subset
of
this
could
go
market
now,
we'd
make
more
money
on
that,
because
then
we
could
assess
them
at
you
know
a
higher
rate
but
you're
going
to
lose
the
affordable
units.
A
I
It
would
not
change
the
vouchers
brought
into
the
city,
I
I,
guess
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
city
broadly,
but
for
the
project.
It
wouldn't
change
the
voucher
profile,
that's
in
effect
on
the
project.
Our
goal
would
be
to
maintain
and
renew
that
contract
with
the
beacon,
Housing
Authority
on
the
project-based
side
and
we've
talked
with
Mr
round
trout
on
a
preliminary
basis
about
that,
and
the
current
contract
term
has
17
years
remaining
on
it.
Related
companies
did
that
contract.
I
We
basically
applied
to
HUD
when
the
opportunity
presented
itself
back
in
2020
and
were
able
to
assist
these
61
deeply
at
risk
households,
meaning
that
they
were
rendered
in
and
and
paying
a
significant
portion
of
their
income
towards
rent.
We
went
out
and
were
awarded
these
61
vouchers
that
were
new
to
the
project
and
to
Beacon,
frankly,
that
that
didn't
exist
before
to
assist
those
households
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
the
there's
a
pool
of
residence,
a
subpopulation
of
residents
at
Tompkins
Terrace
today
that
have
a
mobile
voucher.
It's
called
housing
Choice
voucher.
C
So
we
have
some
additional
information
to
get
and
to
work
with
staff
on
looking
at
whatever
communities
the
past
agreements.
The
answer
question
about
the
2.5
percent
I'm,
looking
at
the
language
from
the
West
End
Lofts
about
the
this
clawback.
That
Chris
had
mentioned
that
just
in
my
office
had
discussed
with
Chris
how
the
other
tax
and
jurisdictions
were
addressed.
F
G
This
conversation
has
been
very
helpful
for
all
of
that,
but
two
things
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
correctly,
that
the
Ida
would
have
done
one
we've
covered,
which
is
the
sort
of
clawback
clause
that
the
Ida
did
have
in
non-fulfillment
and
enforcement
role
there.
But
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
cover
that
in
a
different
way
and
two
that
they,
at
least
for
commercial
properties.
The
Ida
did
third
party
review
of
the
hardship
requirement,
but
it
seems
like
that
is
not
relevant
to
this
particular
scenario
or.
G
And
that
there
are
requirements
for
public
hearings
before
approval
and
I
think
we
cover
that.
That's
not
the
case
in
this
form
of
a
pilot
and
I'm
just
curious
for
feedback
from
Council,
while
it's
not
a
requirement
and
while
we're
having
this
public
discussion,
which
means
that
we
will
get
public
comment
about
it.
If
we
feel
that
there's
a
need
to
have
a
formal,
you
know
public
hearing
or
dedicated
time
to
talk
about
it.
C
C
B
A
I
Sure
so
so,
right
now,
our
our
timeline
is
based
on
our
ability
to
get
towards
to
a
resolution
with
with
the
city,
on
a
pilot
that
that
is
our
next
step.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
an
application,
a
Draft
application
that
is
into
the
bcida
on
the
taxes
and
bonds
and
sales
tax
exemption,
but
not
not
being
finalized.
Pending
the
outcome
of
obtaining
a
pilot,
the
should
it
provide
any
any
comfort
or
reassurance.
I
There's
a
public
comment:
what's
called
a
tephra
hearing
needed
in
conjunction
with
the
texts
and
bonds
which
would
be
specific
to
this
project
Tompkins
Terrace,
so
there
would
be
a
county
level.
Public
comment
says
in
conjunction
with
the
taxes
that
buy
funds,
which
is
a
portion
of
the
financing,
so
that
would
occur
regardless
of
what
the
city
of
Beacon
Council
here
decides
to
do
regarding
the
pilot
specifically,
but
we
are
ready
to
move
as
fast
or
slow.
I
Ideally,
we
could
get
going
this
Q2
this
summer
and
and
we
think
it
will
take
a
little
over
a
year
to
to
complete
everything.
Obviously,
there's
there's
lead
time
challenges
in
today's
market
and
you
know
supplier
challenges
and
all
sorts
of
construction
Logistics,
but
call
it
12
to
18
months.
We
think
we
could
be
done
by
by
2024.
A
B
Yeah
I
think
what
Paloma
was
suggesting
and
opening
up
to
a
wider
audience
that
the
public
may
be
further
aware,
as
opposed
to
those
that
spoke
last
week,
were
from
Tompkins
terrorists
and
were
fully
aware
of
what
was
going
on
so
I
I.
Think
if
we
do
have
the
time
I
think
it's
certainly
worthwhile
to
ask
for
public
comment
regarding
this.
C
G
I
have
a
bit
of
a
follow-up
question
unless
there's
more
thoughts
on
that,
which
is
that
my
understanding
of
the
way
that
the
Ida
pilot
programs
work
is
that
what
has
there
is
an
initial
Municipal
letter
of
support
and
then
there's
another
opportunity
for
input
further
down
the
line
once
the
sort
of
terms
of
the
pilot
have
been
determined,
which
is
something
that
the
Ida
does?
It's
not
what
the
city
does,
which
is
a
difference.
A
F
A
A
Well,
okay,
so
in
in
general
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
us.
You
do
a
letter
and
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
us.
Okay,
in
the
case
of
mirbo,
we
asked
them
to
come
back,
so
we
could
confirm
that
the
the
schedule
that
they
had
proposed
was
in
fact
codified
in
the
agreement,
and
there
had
been
no
deviation
from
that.
G
A
And
in
the
packet
for
those
at
home,
if
you
want
to
look
at
what
the
financial
implications
of
the
proposed
pilot
slide,
10
of
the
presentation,
that's
in
there
has
the
current
amount,
which
is
which
is
290
year,
one
which
is
310,
and
then
it
shows
the
increase
over
the
40-year
period
so
that
slide
10
in
the
agenda
packet
item
that
accompanies
this
and
Justin
I'm.
Sorry
for
forgetting
about
the
bump.
The
first
year.
I
Oh
no
worries
and
I
would
just
add
that
the
the
two
and
a
quarter
percent
escalator
that
is
in
there
again
it's
it's
another
one
of
the
levers
that
are
available.
We
believe
it's
the
right.
We
believe
it's
the
right
Mark
it's
supposed
to
be
pegged
towards
long-term
inflation,
which
everyone
knows
it's
really
high
right
now,
but
again
this
we
take
a
step
back.
This
is
an
agreement
over
a
40-year
period.
There's
trust
that
that
you
know
inflation
would
come
back
down
the
Opex
load.
I
The
operating
expense
load
on
on
these
multi-family
housing
projects
is
typically
in
that
two
to
three
percent
growth
band.
That's
how
that's
how
expenses
are
trended
over
time
when
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
a
project-
and
then
revenues
are-
are
you
know
because
they're
restricted
and
because
you
want
to
be
conservative,
those
are
grown
or
trended
at
even
a
lower
amount.
So
two
to
three
percent:
is
the
typical
band
for
expenses
again
thinking
long-term
inflation
over
a
40-year
period,
it
compounds
up
to
a
number
I
think
just
shy
of
800
000..
I
You
know
we're
talking
40
years
way
down
the
line,
and
that
was
the
maximum
that
the
project
feasibly
could
carry
on
a
projected
basis.
If
you
go
up
to
you
know,
everyone
knows
compound
interest
and
the
effects
it
has.
If
we
go
up
to,
then
you
know
two
and
a
half
or
three
you're,
looking
at
a
compounded
number
and
you're
40
of
perhaps
900
000
or
more,
and
that
is
just
a
little
unpalpable
for
the
project.
It
puts
the
project
really
upside
down
in
those
outside
years.
Hence
how
we
came
to
2.25.
G
I
know
that
I've
anecdotally
heard
a
lot
of
issues
around
connectivity,
so
I
appreciate
that
this
is
built
into
your
plan
and
also
appreciate
that
you
are
have
a
sort
of
broad
idea
of
use
for
the
common
areas,
and
particularly
the
reopening
of
the
or
the
continued
use
of
the
community.
Room
and
I
know
that
you
are
doing
community
engagement
and
have
hearings
from
your
current
residents
and
I
to
assume
that
you're
going
to
hear
from
them
about
what
exactly
they
would
like
in
that
community
space.
B
I
and
I
also
just
I
kind
of
appreciate
the
opportunity
here
that
you
know.
For
years.
We
talk
about
affordability,
everyone
complains
about
the
cost
of
you,
know
housing
and
Beacon
and
in
fact,
there's
very
little.
This
Council
can
do
I
mean
we
could
try,
but
this
is
a
a
real,
tangible
opportunity
and
we
don't
get
these
too
often
so.
F
B
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
feedback
and
time
this
evening.
I
I
would
just
add
if
there
are
any
other
questions
that
come
up
in
the
interim,
please
feel
free
to
connect
with
me
through
through
Mr
Chris
White.
He
and
I
have
been
trading
a
lot
of
emails
back
and
forth
over
the
last
month
and
happy
to
take
any
other
questions.
I
know
it
won't
be
in
the
public
forum
here,
but
if
there's
other
things
that
could
be
answered,
I
apologize,
I
couldn't
be
with
you
all
tonight.
I
D
B
C
Am
so
when
this
was
last
Workshop,
it
was
January
9th.
You
may
recall,
we
went
through
the
decision
tree
or
marching.
Orders
were
after
that
was
to
start
drafting
the
law
and
also
get
some
answers
to
the
questions.
We
believe
we've
answered
all
the
questions,
except
for
mixed
use
and
major
Renovations.
C
What
we've
done
since
that
meeting
is
we
had
reached
out
to
nyserder
because
we
want
to
get
a
representative
from
them
to
come
here
and
talk
about
the
feasibility
and
sort
of
get
answers
to
questions,
to
make
sure
that
we
were
implementing
a
law
that
Bruce
when
you
build
an
inspector
administers
that
can
be
administered
and
we're
aware
of
what
potential
issues
might
come
up.
So
we
can
build
those
into
the
law.
C
Nyser
reached
back
to
me
on
Thursday
and
provided
us
with
the
right
person
it
took
a
while
because
they
have
restrictions
on
who
can
speak
to
governments
or
or
attorneys,
and
so
they
finally
got
me.
The
program
manager
for
communities,
communities
and
local
government
who
I've
reached
out
to
both
on
Friday
Friday
and
today
have
not
connected
with
that
individual.
Yet
will
do
so
and
we'll
ask
them
to
come
to
your
next
Workshop
meeting
and
I'll
coordinate
that
Chris
for
your
your
office.
C
In
terms
of
the
decision
tree,
you
saw
our
updated
memo
that
went
through
the
questions
and
the
answers
so,
for
example,
what
exemptions
should
the
law
include?
Number
four
based
upon
your
discussion
for
proposed
local
law
should
not
apply
to
the
installation
of
emergency,
backup,
power-up
generators
and
Municipal
Water
and
Wastewater
facilities,
and
we
added
projects
that
exceed
approval
from
the
planning
board
before
June
30th
2023..
C
We
picked
that
out
because
the
law
would
take
effect,
January,
1st
2024
and
if
there's
someone
who
has
received
approval
a
year
ago,
for
example
they're
not
yet
through,
they
wouldn't
have
had
time
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
law.
We
fought.
June
30th
of
cities
discussing
the
law
planning
board
should
bring
the
law
to
their
their
impact
to
their
attention.
So
we
thought
June
30
seemed
the
appropriate
date
and
that
was
an
appropriate
exemption.
D
C
F
C
D
D
C
So
you
would
agree,
I
mean
you
would
agree,
so
the
three
categories
would
be
it's
physically,
infeasible,
technically
infeasible
and
then
the
one
you're
talking
about
financially
in
peaceful
and
then
I
guess
we'd
have
to
build
into
the
wall.
What
that
would
mean.
So
the
zba
has
the
criteria.
Okay,
but
I.
Think
a
vote.
Devos
seem
like
the
three
categories.
Someone
says:
Hey
technology
doesn't
exist
and
they
can
demonstrate
that
to
the
zba.
That
would
seem
fair
yeah.
C
Likewise,
if
it's
not
physically
possible,
give
them
the
construction
of
the
building
and
then
hey
I
could
do
it.
But
it's
going
to
cost
me
more
than
the
value
of
the
building
of
a
property
that
would
seem
to
fit
it
also
so
Devil's
into
details,
but
that's
sort
of
the
hardship,
exceptions,
okay,
yeah.
C
C
So
that
is
an
area
where,
where
yeah
we
do
need
today,
which
we
want
to
discuss
with
nyserda
town
of
Ithaca,
for
example,
includes
major
renovation
as
any
construction
or
renovation
to
an
existing
structure
where
the
work
area
exceeds
75
percent
of
the
floor
area
and
then
two
or
more
of
the
following
occur.
So
it
has
to
be
75
percent
or
more
before
area
and
you're,
replacing
or
installing
a
new
heating
plant
system
changes
to
lighting
or
then
construction.
C
That
involves
disassembly
of
greater
than
50
percent
of
the
area
of
the
above
grade
portions
of
the
building
thermal
envelope
in
the
building,
which
is
why
I
said
Ithaca
is
a
more
complicated
example
right.
So
you
know
I
when
speaking
to
Bruce-
and
we
haven't
come
to
a
final
conclusion.
So
I
don't
want
to
speak
too
much
for
him,
but
he
said
he
would
feel
comfortable
if
there
was
a
percentage
criteria,
because
that
gives
them
something
he
can
calculate
and
we
need
to
talk
about
Brew.
C
C
C
You
know
homework
on
our
end
as
well,
I've
reached
out
to
some
Architects
and
to
get
some
sense
as
to
you
know,
feasibility
this
or
anything
we're
not
missing.
One
individual
I
spoke
with
said,
at
least
on
the
residential
side
they're,
seeing
their
receptivity
to
electrical
because
the
technology
is
there,
it's
actually
a
cost
saving
in
the
sense
that
hiring
a
separate
trade.
A
plumber
to
put
in
the
electrical
natural
gas
pipes
is
a
cost
that
can
now
be
avoided.
C
C
D
My
update
Nick
on
question
number
one
you
put
in
the
commercial
construction
would
be
effective,
January
1st
2027..
Yes,
did
we
actually
agree
on
that
I
remember
there
was
a
discussion.
I
know
the
mayor
was
thinking
that
we
should
hear
from
I
can't
remember
who
we
wanted
to
hear
from
the
CAC
or
nyserda
to
find
out
a
little
more
about
the
reasoning
for
was
it.
2028
was
commercial.
D
He
said
you
know
be
nice
enough
to
get
ahead
of
it,
but
I
heard
from
you
that
there
may
not
be
really
any
significant
obstacles
to
implementing
commercial
at
the
same
time
as
residential
and
that's
still
the
way
that
I
lean
and
I
I.
Don't
recall
that
January
this
2027
date
was
kind
of
an
answer
to
the
to
the
question.
In
the
decision
tree
I
thought
it
was
still
open.
G
D
C
D
D
You
know
I
think
you
know
Chris
really
made.
A
good
point
is
that
you
know
fireplaces
create
a
lot
of
particulate
matter
in
a
home,
dangerous
amounts
of
particular
matter
and
I'm
I
love,
fireplaces
I
have
a
fireplace
in
my
home
that
I
use
quite
often,
but
part
of
the
way
that
we
need
to
kind
of
operate.
D
Is
we
need
to
give
up
the
things
that
we
love
and
so
I'm
kind
of
inclined
to
say
that
burning
wood
is
in
a
home
is
probably
something
that
we
should
be
looking
at
to
and
break
a
part
of
it
and
I.
Don't
know
I
mean
I
love
fireplaces,
but
you
know
we
have
to
be
consistent.
You
know,
philosophically
and
scientifically
you
know
so.
A
I
raised
this
issue
in
the
1990s
and
I
was
told
by
the
then
City
attorney
that
we
were
preempted,
because
that
wasn't
covered
under
building
code.
It
was
covered
under
error
emissions
because
I
mean
typically
those
aren't
our
primary
heating.
Source
I
also
want
to
just
say:
I
wasn't
suggesting
we
get
rid
of
fireplaces.
A
C
B
B
F
A
G
A
I
I
mean,
let
me
let
me
just
throw
it
at
a
completely
different
point
of
view.
Most
of
your
CAC
has
already
shown
up
and
endorsed
this
law,
as
it
is
most
most
of
the
CAC.
You
really
know
where
they
stand
already.
Why
don't
you
talk
to
somebody
that
builds
houses
or
somebody
that
designs
houses
and
just
asks
them
what
they
think,
frankly,
that
the
impact
would
be
I
asked
Nick
to
reach
out
to
an
architect,
because
we
wanted
to
just
see
if
this
is
feasible.
A
If
we
pass
a
law
that
doesn't
work,
people
are
going
to
point
to
this
as
a
model
for
why
they
shouldn't
do
it
and
I
think
your
goal
here
should
be.
This
is
the
right.
This
is
I,
think
the
right
direction
to
go,
but
let's
do
the
law
really
thoughtfully,
so
other
other
communities
say
look
at
the
process
they
went
through
and
that
should
be
our
model
law.
So
you
know
why
don't
you?
Why
don't
you
bring
in
some?
We
can
invite
in
some
Architects
and
developers.
Maybe
you
could
ask
them.
A
How
would
it
impact
residential
I
mean
the
the
initial
review
on
that
was
like,
probably
not
too
much
on
residential,
and
then
we
can
dig
into
some
of
these
questions.
We
keep
going
back
to
the
you
know,
I
I
would
I
would
I
think.
Sometimes
you
need
to
talk
to
people
that
may
not
agree
with
you
and
everything
just
to
figure
out.
What's
real
and
what's
not
so
just
a
recommendation,
because
we'll
help
set
that
up
if
you
want
but
well.
A
D
C
A
D
C
G
Yeah
I'm
I'm,
not
my
suggestion.
I
was
not
intended
to
preclude
having
conversations
with
other
people
as
well.
I
have
also
had
conversations
with
Architects
and
developers
and
I
know
that
CAC
members
have
also
had
conversations
with
Architects
and
developers
so
I'm
not
trying
to
preclude
those
people
from
the
conversation,
but
I
do
I
do
also
value
the
cac's
opinion
and
while
they
did
draft
an
initial
and
pass
as
a
body,
an
initial
support
of
the
idea
of
the
law,
I
think
I've
only
seen
two
CAC
members
speak
in
public
comment.
A
A
A
Ben
is
now
going
through
and
figured
out
that
many
of
our
members
of
the
CAC
and
one
member
of
our
tree
advisory
committee
had
expired
terms,
so
we're
proposing
reappointments
of
Sergey,
krasikov
and
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
mispronounced,
that
Eleanor
Peck
and
Philip
stamatis
to
the
CAC
and
also
the
reappointment
of
Peter
Bailey
to
the
tree
advisory
committee
and
Peter
serves
as
chair
and
Sergey
serves
as
chair
for
the
CAC.
A
All
of
their
terms
expired
sometime
last
year,
and
then
there
were
three
new
people
who
applied
to
the
CAC
May
Sheriff
James,
Burton
and
Justine
binkowski.
So
you
have
in
your
packet
applications
from
all
of
them
and
then
also
a
resume
for
each
of
them
and
then
we'll
be
doing
we're
trying
to
get
through.
This
I
think
we
have
HRC
next
to
do
and.
H
H
Yes
and
look
at
that,
I'm
I
was
curious
when
we
might
get
to
a
point
where
we'll
have
a
good
overview
of
these
are
the
Committees
that
are
full.
These
are
the
ones
who
have
vacancies
and
kind
of
start
to
get
community
members
who've
been
reaching
out
I
think
to
all
of
us
who
were
interested
and
right
now
we're
kind
of
waiting.
While
this
cleanup
is
done,
so
it
sounds
like
maybe
in
a
couple
weeks,
we
might
reach
that
point
in.
A
H
A
F
I
B
H
Sure,
well
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
This
is
something
that
has
been
done
for
a
number
of
years
at
city
council,
which
is
just
for
all
of
us,
meaning
the
city
council,
aside
from
the
mayor,
the
mayor
and
the
administrator
to
kind
of
talk
through
or
kind
of
think
through
what
are
the
major
projects
that
we
know
about
to
start
the
Calendar
years.
It's
basically
on
a
calendar
year
basis,
and
so
I
did
some
work,
which
is
not
in
the
packet.
H
If
you
happen
to
take
a
look
at
it
right
now,
but
just
looking
at
some
of
the
priorities
that
we
had
from
last
calendar
year
and
thinking
what
we
threw
or
what
we
want
to
do
for
2023,
so
I
think.
The
purpose
of
this
conversation,
I,
open
up
to
the
council
will
say
that
is
Paloma
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
specific
thing
that
we
had
last
year.
H
What
we
might
want
to
do
this
year
and
then
over
the
coming
weeks,
might
sort
of
tease
out
our
priorities
to
actually
then
hopefully
share
more
specific
lists
that
we
feel
we
can
share
with
the
public.
At
that
point,
so
yeah
anything
that
anyone
Council
wants
to
share
generally
before
Paloma
gets
into
her
specific
things.
You
want
to
talk
about.
G
So
I
didn't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
so
you'll
all
recall
that
last
year,
as
part
of
our
agenda
setting,
we
set
forth
a
plan
to
have
four
public
forum
sessions
as
an
exercise
in
participatory
governance.
We
named
them
really
run
named
them,
Community
quarterlies,
which
I
think
is
a
really
great
name,
but
due
to
capacity
issues,
we
only
did
one.
G
I
thought
we
could
review
the
goals
and
framework
that
this
was
built
around
that
we
set
forth
back
in
March
of
2022.
One
is
around
accessibility.
We
want
to
keep
the
barrier
to
entry
and
participation
as
low
as
possible
and
to
engagement.
The
whole
purpose
here
is
to
gather
ideas
and
feedback,
not
just
pitch
our
ideas
to
the
public,
but
there
will
still
need
to
be
some
Framing
and
some
guardrails
around
the
ideas
and
that's
sort
of
addressed
later
and
follow
through.
G
F
G
As
a
council
are
moving
forward
with
one
particular
way
to
address
green
infrastructure
and
climate
change,
but
the
idea
and
the
whole
purp
too
you're
a
small
gasoline
engines
and
to
to
that
engagement
idea.
The
point
is
that
we're
soliciting
ideas
and
feedback
from
the
public
and
that's
obviously
a
cyclical
process,
so
I
will
having
said
all
of
that
and
wasn't
necessarily
going
to
go
like
reread
what
I
had
sent
around
unless
we
think
that
would
be
helpful
but
curious.
D
D
G
G
F
F
D
H
F
D
A
And,
and
for
the
public,
that's
listening,
you
may
have
only
done
one
Community
quarterly,
but
there
were
at
least
two
other
very
significant
public
processes.
We
did
the
recreation
study
which
we
called
the
community
facility
and
program
study,
and
we
had
960
responses
to
that
in
a
very
detailed
survey
and
a
lot
of
responses
that
were
kind
of
open-ended,
so
we're
Gathering
all
that
data.
A
The
other
thing
that
we
did
was
Paloma
and
I
went
and
did
the
participatory
budgeting
which,
which
is
proposed
for
next
year
again
and
we've
talked
to
the
participation
in
government
class
and
they're
willing
to
do
this.
Every
fall
with
us
so
like
in
the
spring
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
series
of
site
visits
where
the
where
cells
selected,
kids
can
sign
up
to
say:
I
want
to
go,
see
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
or
the
water
filtration
plan
or
the
highway
garage
and
then
later
in
the
fall.
A
We
work
on
the
participatory
budgeting
round,
so
you
did.
You
did
get
a
lot
of
good
feedback
like
I'm
I've
asked
the
the
rec
Consultants
not
just
to
give
us
the
compiled
data,
but
to
give
me
the
raw
data,
so
we
could
actually
just
go
through
it
and
make
sure
we're.
You
know
capturing
any
good
ideas.
H
Great
along
those
same
lines,
I
think
see
the
Paloma
and
her
notes
included
the
idea
of
timing,
one
of
them
to
coincide
with
the
survey
results.
I
also
was
reminded
by
your
priorities:
Chris
about
our
own
Community
initiative,
grant
program
and
so
I
wonder
if
having
something
correspond
to
that
I
appreciate
that
might
limit
it
to
people
who
have
an
organization
that
could
then
apply
to
that,
but
that
might
generate
some
just
ideas
around
needs
and
around
organizations
you
know
about,
so
it
could
also
be
I.
G
One
other
sort
of
logistical
thing
I
wanted
to
address
is
that
in
the
original
version,
the
top
six
ideas-
because
there
are
six
there
are
actually
seven
of
us-
were
assigned
a
council
member
to
help
Steward.
That
idea
forward.
If
we
really
are
going
to
do
three
of
these,
my
thought
is
to
perhaps
lower
that
number.
So
we
aren't
all
trying
to
Steward
three
ideas
and
maybe
do
a
couple
of
ideas
at
a
time.
So
maybe
we
only
have
to
Steward
two
ideas
over
the
course
of
the
year
as.
H
Someone
who's
still
stewarding
her
up.
One
idea
of
it
I
would
certainly
appreciate
that
I
mean.
Obviously
it
depends
what
the
ideas
are
some
of
them.
It
is,
you
know,
as
your
notes
say
as
as
as
quick
as
a
referral
and
a
follow-up,
whereas
others
require
a
lot
more
coordination
determining
what's
actually
feasible
and
how
to
get
people
involved,
and
you
know
you
know
so,
but
yes,
maybe
at
least
initially
doing
that,
and
then
we
can
see
from
there
I.
A
And
and
then
just
I
apologize
for
the
late
entry,
but
I
did
put
in
the
packet
online
and
Ben
has
distributed
an
updated
priorities
like
I
did
last
year,
which
is
mostly
a
list
of
the
projects
that
we
have
coming
up
just
so
you
could
see
where
we
are
Molly.
The
list
that
you
sent
out
was
really
helpful.
We
did
I
went
through
that
and
it
was
nice
to
go
through
and
say.
Oh
we
got
this
done.
We're
95
done
on
this
one,
this
one's
completely
move,
so
we
can
go
through
those
at
some.
H
F
I
H
Know
you
hope
to
finish
up.
You
know
the
first
half
of
the
year
like
you've,
started
to
indicate
on
here
and
then
and
then
we
kind
of
flesh
out
where
we
are
from
from
there
and
there
might
be
some
elements
to
the
point
of
like
around
environmental
stuff.
I
know
that
Dan
you've
brought
that
up,
but
we
haven't
necessarily
I,
don't
think.
In
two
weeks
we
will
have
the
full
fleshed
out
version
of
what
that
might
mean
in
terms
of
the
specific
pieces.
I
had
a
follow-up
question
for
you.
Sorry.
I
H
But
I
don't
but,
and
then
I
have
you
know
in
this
document
the
public
hasn't
seen,
but
in
this
Excel
spreadsheet,
it's
environmental
stuff
that
I
had
a
list
of
you
know
ideas
that
I've
heard
you
mention
so
I
think
fleshing
that
out.
So
the
public
can
then
see
something
that
maybe
has
a
little
more
meat
on
the
bone
to
it.
H
Nick
in
terms
of
the
council,
I,
don't
necessarily
know
if
the
council
separate
from
the
mayor
administrator,
wants
to
do
our
own
priorities
thing
as
we
did
last
year.
It's
a
question,
I
guess
for
us,
but
if
we
wanted
I
think
we
can
caucus.
So
we
have
this.
You
know
not
wanting
to
break
Quorum
rules.
F
H
Getting
your
input
now
about
what
is
actually
feasible
and
what
we
would
need
to
I
also
don't
know
we
necessarily
want
to
do
it
outside
of
the
bounds
of
the
public.
That's
something
we
haven't
I
have
we
could
have
a
meeting
with
the
public
is
actually
invited,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
thoughts
on
what
we
legally
could
do,
as
we
figure
out
what
priorities
the
non-mayor
non-dadministrator
side
of
the
council
might
want
to
focus.
H
C
So
we
accept
there
is
the
exception
to
the
open
meetings
law
for
political
caucuses,
but
then
any
member
of
the
political
caucus
is
then
invited
to
that.
So
you
could
that's
an
exception
of
a
map
you're
discussing
public
business,
but
it
is
if
there's
a
quorum
present
subject
to
the
open
meetings
law.
So.
B
D
H
F
C
H
All
right,
then,
I
think
are
there
any
questions
about
Next,
Step,
so
I'll,
say
I'll,
add
in
what
Chris
has
which
actually
has
a
lot
of
crossover
already
just
clean
it
up,
and
if
you
can
give
feedback
on
and
also
add
anything
that
you
want
to
make
sure
is
discussed.
Even
if
it
won't
necessarily,
you
know
be
the
thing
that
we
work
on
this
year.
We
can
make
sure
that's.
A
I
D
G
The
the
month
that
I
put
there
was
very
broad
because
it
is
a
extended
process.
We
could
start
it
in
the
beginning
of
February
and
it
would
be
done.
The
the
public
forum
itself
would
be
at
the
end
of
February,
so
open
on
timing
for
that.
But
yes,
it
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
set
the
the
three
public
forum
dates.
H
Yeah,
if
you're
able
to
come
back
with
some
dates,
Paloma
that
would
be
great
and
I'll
trust
that
the
you
know
the
lead
time,
particularly
for
the
first
one
that
you'll.
You
know
that
you'll
do
the
work
to
figure
out
that
that
date,
you
proposed
for
the
first
one
works,
and
then
we
just
need
to
see
if
that
date
in
general
works
for
us.
G
H
A
D
H
H
A
I
think
if
they
want
to
put
applications
in,
please
encourage
them
to
do
so
so
that
I
have
you
know
we
have
a
file
to
go
to
and
Mark
and
interview
them
and
then
also
I,
think
I.
Think
in
the
back
of
his
mind,
he's
just
wanted
he's
had
it
he's
had
done
a
lot
of
work
with
the
consultant
to
to
ground
check
this,
to
fact
check
it
and
then
they're
preparing
to
report
it
out
to
you,
and
then
he
figured
the
next
steps
would
be
derived
from
that.
A
You
know
again,
I
think
the
higher
level
stuff
is
people
are
interested
in
the
community
center.
How
do
you
figure
out
what
the
next
steps
are
on
it,
but
I'll
I'll
there's
a
number
of
really
good
takeaways
from
it
and
a
lot
of
data,
so
I'll,
let
I'll
let
the
Consultants
present
that
and
then
maybe
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
how
you
want
to
proceed.
A
H
Yeah
I
think
you're
going
to
find
when
we
get
into
this
next
week,
Chris,
knowing
that
your
time
has
taken
up
with
a
bunch
of
things
this
year.
So
I
hear
is
what
kinds
of
studies
or
other
designs
or
projects
can
we
start
rolling
this
year,
even
if
there's
not
a
lot
of
your
capacity
to
to
get
involved
in
them
and
start
getting
your
input
on.
That
will
be
key.
A
A
There
I
don't
even
have
a
survey
map
right
now
and
we'd
have
a
good
survey
map
so
we're
we
are
trying
to
put
in
place
some
of
the
smaller
studies
that
we
think
we'll
need
later
this
year,
I'm
similarly
doing
survey
work
on
South,
Avenue,
For
That
Sidewalk
project,
which
is
a
lot
more
than
I
thought.
It
was
in
terms
of
scope.