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From YouTube: Beacon Planning Board Training 6-14-22
Description
Beacon Planning Board training session covering "Dutchess County Needs Assessments."
A
We're
going
to
start
our
Workshop
course
in
the
evening
here
at
five
minutes
after
the
hour
and
we're
going
to
go
until
about
20
minutes
and
then
start
our
regular
meeting,
we're
going
to
make
a
slight
shift
in
our
agenda
and
move
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
up
to
720,
where
thereabouts
and
then
we'll
move
into
our
regular
agenda.
So
with
that
I
think
John,
you
had
some
information
on
The
Duchess,
County
Housing
needs
assessment
that
you
thought
you'd
share
with
the
group
here.
B
Yes,
when
we
talked
last
time
about
the
sort
of
things
we
should
be
looking
at
in
Workshop,
this
came
up,
affordable
housing
seems
to
be
the
hottest
topic
around
Beacon
and,
and
it
happens
that
the
Dutchess
County
updated
their
housing
needs
assessment
just
earlier
this
year,
and
so,
if
you
haven't
seen
the
presentation,
this
is
their
official
presentation.
I
didn't
make
this
up.
I
stole
it
off
the
internet,.
C
B
Had
too
many
slides,
but
I
made
a
shortened
version
of
it,
so
we
could
go
over
their
basic
findings
and
recommendations
and
then
we
could
have
a
discussion
from
there
if
we
have
time
so.
Housing
needs
assessments,
county-wide.
It
looks
at
the
existing
housing
stock
and
existing
census
figures
and
Trends
and
then
tries
to
anticipate
future
demand
and
come
up
with
recommendations.
B
B
If
you
look
at
the
chart,
it's
been
going
up
and
up
and
up
and
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
last
10
years
it
it
plateaued
and
they
expect
that
to
continue
to
slow
down
foreign,
and
the
reason
is,
if
you
look
at
the
right
side,
is
that
even
though
the
number
of
households
and
have
been
going
up
and
up
and
up
the
population
per
household
has
been
going
down
and
down
pretty
precipitously
in
Beacon,
it's
gone
down:
12
12
13.
In
the
last
20
years,
the
number
of
people
per
household.
B
We
have
a
lot
more
single
family
couples,
households
without
children,
so
we
have
elderly
population.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
houses
that
are
relatively
empty
compared
to
what
they
were
20
30
40
years
ago,
and
so
even
though
we
have
more
and
more
houses
being
built
and
apartments
being
built,
they're
being
populated
by
much
fewer
people.
B
The
other
thing
is
that
we're
seeing
an
aging
of
the
population
that's
another
function
of
how
the
household
size
has
been
going
down,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
elderly
households.
Obviously
without
children
and
a
lot
of
times,
people
are
hanging
onto
their
houses
longer
than
they
used
to,
and
so
we're
having
a
lot
of
single-family
houses
in
particular
that
have
few
people
in
them
and
mostly
elderly
people.
B
B
B
A
B
Yeah
I
know
I,
don't
think
their
Graphics
were
particularly
good,
but
you
know
they
were
easy
to
to
show.
If
you
look
on
the
right,
the
median
age,
if
Dutchess
County
has
gone
up
and
up
and
up
it's
up
over
42
years-
and
you
know
nationally,
it's
it's
high,
comparatively
speaking
to
other
communities.
C
B
B
B
in
terms
of
school
over
School
enrollment.
So
but
the
need
for
units
overall
has
gone
up.
Yes,
there's
still
demand
for
units,
it's
just
that
that
the
population
itself
is
going
down
which
isn't
necessarily
good
for
business,
because
you
don't
have
a
growing
population
demand
for
goods.
But
you
have
a
lot
of
households.
B
The
supply
of
housing
is
still
dominated,
this
is
Duchess
County,
remember,
not
Beacon
is
still
dominated
by
single-family
homes,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
the
trends
from
2000
to
2019,
they're
essentially
static
people
were
still
up
in
this
area
buying
and
building
single-family
homes.
Now
you
do
see
in
terms
of
new
construction,
a
larger
percentage
are
larger
apartment
buildings
than
there
used
to
be,
but
overall,
it's
still
pretty
much.
70
percent
of
the
new
construction
units
are
our
single-family
houses
again
not
in
vegan,
but
in
county-wide.
B
A
B
Lagged
behind
out
housing
costs
and
that's
not
surprising,
housing
has
been
going
up
pretty
steadily
since
the
Great
Recession
and
in
particular
over
the
last
three
to
five
years
and
incomes
are
not
keeping
up
and
that's
sort
of
the
story
everywhere.
As
a
result,
there's
the
bigger
gap
between
what
people
can
afford
and
and
what's
available,
and
so,
if
you
look
on
the
left,
you
know
the
the
home
value.
Just
it
does
is
way
above
what
the
average
home
income
is
and,
for
instance,
it's
even
more
pronounced.
B
And
so,
if
you
look
at
the
right,
you
can
see
in
2000
the
median
affordable
rent
could
pay
the
medium
gross
rent.
You
know
that
somebody
could
pay
for
what's
out
there
on
average
and
that's
been
declining
ever
since
rent's
going
up
incomes,
don't
match
it,
and
so
people's
real
buying
power,
in
terms
of
particularly
the
rental
market,
has
been
declining,
sounds
like
a
problem.
Oh.
A
B
B
They
have
a
bigger
margin
per
area
error,
and
so
you
can't
always
rely
on
the
19
estimates
so
and
we
haven't
got
the
full
census.
Numbers
from
2020
to
come
in.
We've
got
certain
basic
categories,
but
not
all
the
detailed
stuff
that
would
allow
you
to
update
this
analysis.
I'm
surprised
they
did
this
analysis
and
didn't
wait
for
the
2020
census,
but.
B
C
C
B
So
if
you
look
at
Cost
burdens
for
renters
in
particular,
and
that's
based
on
thirty
percent
of
your
budget
should
be
able
to
go
for
housing
and
if
it's
higher
than
that
30
threshold,
then
therefore
you're
considered
cost
burdened.
It
starts
eating
into
your
food
budget,
your
transportation
budget
and
other
things.
B
So
if
you
look
at
the
renters
ask,
obviously,
especially
at
the
lowest
income
brackets
70
80,
90
percent
of
people
are
cost
per
that
income
level
and
it's
getting
worse
from
2000
to
2019
the
numbers.
The
number
of
the
percentage
of
cause
burden
people
with
the
lower
income
brackets
is
going
up
and
up
so
to
me,
this
says:
there's
a
serious
problem
here:
there's
a
real
mismatch
between
availability
of
housing,
particularly
for
families
who
are
earning
less
than
75,
000
or
50.
B
So
the
simple
one
that
comes
out
of
this
is
the
greatest
level
of
need
is
render's
own
earning
under
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
These
are
households,
so
they
could
be
two
two-person
households
or
single
person,
households
who
are
earning
less
than
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
years.
You
can't
afford
a
place
to
live
eighty.
Ninety
percent
of
them
can
so
you
should
focus
your
energy
on
providing
subsidies
and
incentives,
and
whatever
else
you
can
do
to
make
that
cost
burden
household
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
or
less
have
some
options
in
the
marketplace.
B
C
B
C
B
It
seems
to
me
we
need
a
lot
more
than
this,
so
the
the
first
thing
is,
they
came
up
with
this
number
over
that's
over
20
years,
twenty
one
thousand
five,
fifty
five
twenty
one,
twenty
one
hundred
and
fifty
five-
and
that
means
108
20
wide
incredibly
small,
like
a
spit
in
the
bucket
and
then
they
apply.
Their
second
recommendation
is
to
use
a
fair
share
approach,
which
is
what
they
did
in
the
previous
housing
needs
assessment,
meaning
everybody
all.
B
C
B
B
If
you
say
there's
all
these
thousands
of
people
who
who
are
cost
burdened,
it
doesn't
seem
enough
to
beat
the
demand
and
so
I
called
up
the
people
who
put
this
thing
together,
not
the
private
consultant,
but
the
county
staff
who
worked
on
it
with
them
and
I
said.
What's
what's
the
story,
you
know,
and
you
know
the
they.
B
They
explained
a
lot
of
things
away
and
it's
primarily
about
fair
share
and
everything
else,
but
I
compared
it
to
say
the
2008-9,
which
was
the
previous
version
of
this
housing
needs
survey
and
the
numbers
were
much
higher
in
those
days
and
the
need
was
much
less
in
terms
of
population
and
why
are
they?
You
know
lowballing
it
now
and
I
think,
and
this
is
what
it
was.
It
wasn't
what
was
said
to
me.
This
is
but
what
I
surmise,
or
at
least
I
guess,
is
the
reasons
why
these
numbers
are
low.
B
First
of
all,
they
want
to
put
out
a
low
number
so
that
they
meet
it,
and
you
know
you
don't
want
to
put
out
high
expectations
and
never
meet
it.
That's
what
happened
in
2008-9,
they
put
out
a
housing
needs
survey,
they
put
a
lot
of
numbers,
it
was
much
higher
in
terms
of
everybody's
Target
and
the
recession
came
along
and
nobody
met
it
because
nobody
built
any
housing
from
2008
to
2012
or
so,
and
so
those
numbers
just
went
in
to
report
on
the
shelf
and
nobody
did
anything.
C
B
B
That
was
my
complaint
and
I.
I
still
don't
believe
these
numbers,
but
you
know
this
was
the
official
survey
it
went
through
a
you
know,
vetting
process
with
a
steering
committee
made
of
local
officials.
There
was
somebody
who
represented,
who
was
it's
on
the
beacon
city
council
who
was
on
this
committee,
so
I'm
still
waiting
for
a
good
explanation
as
to
why
the
numbers
seemed
so
low.
B
Their
houses
are
going
to
come
vacant
sooner
rather
than
later,
they're
going
to
age
out
of
all
those
houses
that
are
sitting
with
an
elderly
population
in
them
and
there's
a
lot
of
them.
When
you
look
at
it,
there's
a
lot
of
places,
particularly
in
central
locations
that
have
a
lot
of
elderly
population
who
are
holding
on
their
homes
until
they
can't
hold
on
to
them
anymore,
and
that's
a
bulge
in
the
in
the
population,
and
so
they
may
anticipate
that
a
lot
of
the
housing
stock
is
going
to
become
available.
B
C
So
so
the
first,
the
first
thought
that
I
have
that
this
would
be
interesting
to
me
for
a
pragmatic
standpoint.
Has
anybody
ever
published
any
kind
of
numbers
on
what-
and
this
is
maybe
sounds
a
little-
maybe
too
pragmatic
and
a
little
bit
cold?
But
has
anybody
ever
published
numbers
on
what
sort
of
population
of
people
working
in
service
related
industry?
Do
you
need
to
maintain
a
city
of
a
certain
size?
So
when
you
have
a
city
you
have
restaurants,
shops
stores,
you
know
and
everything
that
you've
got
to
do
to
maintain,
but
com.
C
But
often
these
are
comparatively
lower
paid
positions
right.
But
if
you
don't
take
care
of
those
people
provide
them
with
a
place
to
live
or
a
living
wage.
You've
got
them
driving
or
bussing
themselves
in
from
God
knows
where,
because
they
can't
afford
your
standard
of
living
in
your
environs
right
and
I.
Wonder
what
I
wonder
if
those
numbers,
if
anyone's
ever
calculated
that?
How
would
that
compare
to
the
number
of
people
they're,
saying
you're
in
this
category?
That
needs
a
video
intervention.