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That's
your
opportunity,
okay
hearing
done,
then
we'll
move
forward
to
the
action
items.
We
have
one
major
item
this
evening.
The
zoning
map
Amendment
rezoning
requests
for
71.54
Acres,
located
at
1691,
Okatie
Highway
run
T2
rural
to
T4,
neighborhood
center
and
T3
neighborhood
using
a
village
place
type
overlay.
This
was
deferred
from
our
last
meeting
on
July
6
to
2023.
The
continuance
request,
Mark
yeah.
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D
Hopefully,
everybody
was
able
to
leave
that
meeting
understanding
a
little
bit
more
about
the
place
type
overlay,
what
it
is
and
the
type
of
tool
that
Community
Development
code
allows
it
and
how
it
can
be
applied,
and
then,
in
that
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
and
a
lot
of
questions
and
that
kind
of
led
to
the
planning
commission's
desire
to
make
a
motion
to
table
this
item
till
tonight.
And
it's
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
and
their
team
have
put
together
some
presentations
for
you
all
to
go
through
that.
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E
F
E
With
Wimmer,
Jones
and
Kiefer,
and
then
Dylan
Turner
with
umly
horn,
so
he's
going
to
be
our
traffic
engineer
to
hopefully
answer
some
of
those
questions.
First,
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
us
opportunity
to
have
a
little
more
of
your
time.
Public
has
driven
up
again
so
I
appreciate
that
I
know.
Miss
McMillan
takes
the
public
comment
very
seriously.
We
heard
that
we
heard
what
they
said
so
I
think
that
what
we'd
like
to
show
tonight
is
that
we've
taken
that
into
account.
E
E
F
E
The
Committees
Council
staff
to
implement
those
roadway
improvements
without
cost
to
the
taxpayers
and,
quite
frankly,
probably
long
before
they
would
be
implemented
in
the
super
Street
portal
plan,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
very
specific
about
some
of
those
items
and
we'll
also
be
able
to
answer
those
questions.
The
third
item
was
Cherry
Point
Road.
We
have
heard
from
some
of
the
community
that
it's
not
in
great
shape.
Now
it's
too
narrow,
there's
there
are
potholes
and
it
doesn't.
It
won't
hold
this.
E
You
have
capacity
and
it
won't
hold
the
existing
capacity,
that's
being
built
around
it.
There
is
a
plan
in
place
and
actually
our
traffic
engineer
can
speak
to
the
plan
and
place
that
the
county
has
you
with
us
accessing
onto
this
road?
The
developer,
access
on
there's
going
to
have
to
be
an
encroachment
you
know
granted
with
the
county.
That's
an
opportunity
for
the
county
to
work
with
the
developer,
to
work
on
Cherry,
Point
Road
as
well,
and.
E
Commission
Riedel
that
you
had
mentioned
was
was
impact
and
and
density,
and
also
the
the
buffer
that
came
up
and
so
I
one
of
the
significant
changes
which
Mr
Kiefer
will
speak
to
is
the
buffer.
So
it's
been
more
than
doubled.
It
went
from
20
feet
to
50
feet
again.
That's
another
item
where
we
could
continue
on
that
discussion
with
staff
to
determine
how
that
buffer
looks
how
it's
determined,
but
what
we're
presenting
now
with
the
change
of
50
feet,
as
opposed
to
the
20
feet
around
that
existing
neighborhood.
E
The
other
item
that
I
wanted
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
about,
and
this
was
on
us.
We
didn't
do
this
last
time.
This
was
our
fault.
Is
that
to
the
community?
We
wanted
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
about
what
was
to
be
built
around
your
homes
and
your
existing
community
with
the
village
type
overlay
it.
It
radiates.
I'm
sure
everybody
on
this
commission
knows
this
and
probably
most
of
the
public
does
their
starts
at
a
more
dense
Center
at
the
Village
Center,
so
to
speak
and
then
goes
back.
E
The
back
portion
of
this
is
towards
the
existing
community
and
the
plan
that
we
have
are
for
single-family
homes,
significantly
less
dense
than
the
overall
density
that
is
allowed
under
you
know
T3
and
that's.
The
idea
is
that
you
go
from
less
dense
to
more
dense
and
I.
Think
we've
got
some
examples
of
what
we
would
hope
that
that
might
look
like
and
honestly
what
the
code
calls
for
under
T3
and
so
I
wanted.
I
I
told
the
team.
E
It
was
very
important,
I
thought
to
the
community
to
see
graphically
and
pictorially
what
exactly
that
might
look
like,
and
so
a
lot
of
folks
have
bad
images
in
their
mind.
Quite
honestly,
I
would
too
about
what
might
be
built.
So
we
wanted
to
provide
some
examples
of
a
we
wanted
to
show
kind
of
a
lot.
E
E
To
hit
those
and
be
specific
as
to
those
items
and
at
the
end
of
this
I
would
just
like
to
finish
up
and
I'm
happy
to
come
back
and
answer
questions
as
we
get
through
this,
but
we're
asking
the
commission
tonight
for
a
recommendation
or
an
approval
that
this
is
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
believe
that
it
is
the
comprehensive
plan
shows
a
village
type
in
this
area.
We
believe
that
the
village
type
Place
type
overlay
is
a
great
way
to
accomplish
this.
E
It
gives
further
public
input
through
both
open
forums
to
committee
and
to
council,
but
also
public
input
through
the
staff.
The
county
has
staff
that
are
experts
in
this
area,
and
this
gives
the
staff
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
developer
to
craft
a
development
agreement
on
all
the
minute
details.
E
We
get
that
we
understand
it,
that's
why
we
need
to
move
to
the
work
to
be
done
with
staff
in
the
development
agreement,
and
so,
if
that,
if
those
things
exist,
we
would
ask
you
know
that
those
be
laid
out
in
qualifications,
maybe
to
what
you
send
to
council,
so
that
there
are
some
some
more
directives
to
it.
And
not
just
an
up
or
down,
but
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
informative
as
we
move
forward.
So
with
that
being
said,
I'll
just
leave
it
with
this
is
not
the
end.
E
It's
just
the
beginning,
there's
a
lot
more
to
be
done
from
the
standpoint
of
public
hearings,
work
with
staff,
the
development
agreement
with
the
land
use
committee
with
council
with
multiple
readings,
so
we're
headed
in
that
direction.
We're
ready
to
get
started
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
time
that
you've
taken
allowing
us
additional
out
tonight.
So
with
that
I'll
I'll.
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H
Hey
good
evening
and
Dan
Kiefer
with
Whitmore,
Jones,
Kiefer
and
I
think
we
can
treat
this
as
an
open
Forum.
So
if
those
questions
feel
free
to
interrupt,
I
wanted
to
go
through
just
some,
some
more
specifics
from
the
last
meeting
as
far
as
where
we're
at
and
how
we're
using
the
comprehensive
plan
to
look
at
the
Village,
Place
type
and
rezoning,
and
so
just
some
of
this
is
more
of
a
formality.
H
But
I
want
to
make
sure
we
covered
some
of
the
technical
aspects
and
then
we
can
flip
through
some
of
the
some
more
detail.
So
the
comprehensive
plan
outlines
the
locations
they
utilize
Place
type
overlay
Zone
in
States
ETO
zones
intended
to
create
and
reinforce
walkable
Urban
environments
with
the
mix
of
housing,
Civic
retail
and
service
choices.
H
So
that's!
The
first
thing
is
we
that
we
have
for
us
to
use
as
a
guide
is
a
comprehensive
plan
and
in
the
comprehensive
plan
it
identifies
the
place
type
overlays
along
in
this
case
along
170.,
and
then
the
really.
The
third
component
is
the
Village
Place
type.
So
we
sort
of
have
three
sets
of
roles
that
we're
looking
at.
Is
we
sort
of
have
on
the
bottom
of
the
slide
that
we
have
the
comprehensive
plan
which
was
approved
by
Council?
H
That's
sort
of
The
Guiding
document
that
we're
all
looking
at
and
then
within
that
there's
the
place
type
overlay
and
that's.
There
are
dots
that
we'll
look
at
in
a
second
that
are
on
170,
identified
critical
locations
or
land
locations
where
we
could
apply
the
play
safe
overlay
and
then
there's
the
Village
Place
type,
that's
the
type
of
Herbalife
and
from
a
regulating
standpoint,
you
know
the
comprehensive
plan
that
was
in
our
minds,
approved
by
Council
as
a
fluid
document
that
will
change.
H
Obviously,
over
time
the
place
type
overlay
would
be
essentially
our
our
new
zoning
that
we
would
create
for
the
property
and
then,
as
far
as
the
Village
Place
type,
we
start
looking
at
that
that
detail.
As
far
as
looking
at
block
blanks
and
building
types
and
stormwater
that's
more
of
a
staff
level
review
of
the
documents
once
we
have
a
place
type
in
place,
we
sort
of
wanted.
As
Kevin
explained,
we
have
multiple
steps
to
go
through
and
this
is
sort
of
the
first
point.
H
H
And
then
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan
again,
this
is
probably
more
detail
than
we
need
to
get
into,
but
the
there
is
a
vision
in
the
comprehensive
plan
as
far
as
what
happens
within
the
Village
Place
types
and-
and
this
was
in
the
the
original
narrative
that
we
submitted
prior
to
the
last
Planning
Commission
meeting,
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
those,
but
that
just
so
everybody
knows
we're
following
that.
The
the
vision
from
the
web
comprehensive
plan,
And
Then
There-
are
a
set
of
standards
and
guidelines
again
from
the
comprehensive
plan.
H
Here.
We
think
this
is
really
important
because
to
achieve
these
not
only
the
vision
but
the
detailed
standards
and
guidelines
there
needs
to
be
a
plan,
and
really
we
have
an
opportunity
with
the
Village
Place
type
to
to
implement
some
of
these
the
vision
and
implement
the
guidelines,
so
obviously
access
management
standards,
that's
traffic,
multi-purpose,
Trail
on
both
sides
of
170.
That's
something
that'll,
be
part
of
the
plan.
H
Street
trees,
speed
limit
that
was
I'm,
not
sure
why
35
is
on
there,
but
that's
something
that
we
can
look
at
landscape,
medians,
signalized
intersections
with
crosswalks.
Again,
this
is
a
long-term
plan.
As
we
look
at
the
corridor
of
170.,
coordinated
development
standards
said
this
wouldn't
only
apply
to
us.
This
would
be
as
other
communities
or
even
existing
Places
come
in
and
be
redeveloped.
These
would
be
standards
that
would
be
implemented
with.
A
H
Communities,
coordinated
streetscape
standards
and
coordinated
assignments.
Yes,
signage
seems
like
a
big,
a
small
detail,
but
that's
something
we
think
is
very
important
as
we
look
over
the
next
10
to
15
years
so
again,
I
guess.
The
main
thing
to
point
out
here
is
the
guidelines
are
established
and
the
place
type
overlay,
The,
Village,
Place
type,
is
a
method
for
us
to
work
with
the
county
and
apply
those
Division
and
the
guidelines
and
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
H
As
we
drill
down
into
more
detail,
we
have
the
regulating
plan,
which
essentially,
is
our
our
becomes.
Our
zoning
map
to
the
regulating
plan
will
show
the
road
corridors
and
Street
sections.
What
they're
going
to
look
like
in
detail
it'll,
essentially
be
the
zoning
map
that'll
outline
as
we
we're
describing
on
170
more
dense
development.
As
you
progress
back,
the
community
gets
much
more
lower
density.
F
C
C
H
It
means
the
so
the
intent
of
the
comprehensive
plan
was
not
to
look
at
boundaries
of
a
property,
whether
it's
a
50
acre
or
100
Acre
property.
So
the
goal
is
to
look
at
the
bigger
picture.
So,
as
we
plan
Cherry
Point
neighborhood,
the
70
Acres,
the
goal
would
be
to
look
at
if
we
could
pull
everybody
else
in.
We
would
but-
and
Mark
can
probably
explain
better
better
that
the
vision
for
the
comprehensive
plan
was
those
bubbles
not
just
included
to
70
Acres,
but
include
the
other
filters.
H
A
H
A
Think
I
think
some
of
your
early
drawings
in
the
regulating
plan
show
and
access
to
that
vacant
property
one
of
the
on
along
Cherry
Point
Road.
Yes,
so
there's
some
acreage
right
there
on
Cherry,
Point
Road
to
the
other
side
of
the
development
yeah
between
you
and
Mayland
point
and
so
on.
So
that's
that's!
What
he's
yeah.
H
H
I
This
point,
no
sorry
I
did
another
quick
question
on
this
slide.
I
think
it's
suggesting
that
on
the
Cherry
Point
development
that
you
were
going
to
be
utilizing
three
Transit
zones,
but
on
the
regulating
plan,
I
only
see
two.
So
I
was
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
were
on
the
same
page
with
that.
We're.
H
Currently,
showing
two
of
the
T4,
the
T4,
Neighborhood
Center
or
excuse
me
we're
showing
one
of
the
t4s
we
are
allowed
to
have
both
of
those
in
there.
So
I
would
say,
as
the
plan
evolves
we
may
have
both
of
those
the
the
T4
neighborhood
center
and
the
T4
Center
are
very
similar
and
we
right
now
we
have
the
overlay
those
in
the
same
area.
The
T3
is
distinctly
different,
but
that's
I
guess
we're
open.
We
can
we'll,
probably
it'll,
probably
evolve
into
some
T4
Hamlet
Center.
D
The
I
mean
from
the
regulating
plan
is
like
what
they
said.
We
are
just
at
the
beginning
stage.
Staff
has
worked
with
the
applicant
to
get
it
to
a
point
of
kind
of
creating
the
sheets
and
creating
the
metrics
for
the
the
general
layout.
So
you
all
can
see
what
it
is,
because
we
know
it's
it's
the
first
time
you've
seen
it.
D
So
we've
worked
to
try
to
get
it
to
that
point,
so
you
can
understand
it
as
a
tool
for
you
all
to
be
involved
in
land
use,
land
planning
and
Land
Design
as
a
part
of
development
of
property.
What
Dan's
referring
to
is
is
Under,
The,
Village,
Place
type
overlay.
It
has
a
makeup
of
different
transects
that.
D
H
H
I
may
come
back
to
these
to
sort
of
answer
some
of
the
questions.
Okay,
but
in
a
traditional
rezoning
this
these
questions
become
very
important,
because
these
are
talking
about
the
context
of
the
neighborhood,
how
it
relates
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
some
of
those
roles
that
were
established
it.
The
second
one
talks
about
the
transition
of
transact
zones-
that's
where
we,
where
the
t4hc
may
come
into
play,
but
again
I'm
gonna
I'm,
going
to
skip
through
these,
and
we
can
come
back
as
if
we
need
more
detail.
H
H
H
Otherwise
the
regulating
plan
is
showing
the
access
points
off
170,
that's
the
dark
black
lines
and
then
access
points
off
of
traypoint
Road
and
then
the
colors,
the
darkest
color
a
purple.
That's
the
T4,
the
lighter
color
is
T3
and
I
guess.
The
easiest
way
to
describe
the
lighter
color
is
they're.
All
that's
all
single
family,
residential
and
the
minimum
I
believe
the
minimum
for
T3
is
60
foot
wide
in
those
lots,
that's
what
we
we
had
it
at.
H
B
H
We
haven't
allocated
all
the
density
yet,
but
we
we
know
what
we
can
do
in
the
T3
we
as
far
as
through
the
West.
We
have
been
outlined
exactly
how
I
can
show
you,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
going
to
flip
to
the
next
slide.
It
may
help
so
the
the
red
line
down
the
middle
everything
to
the
east,
of
that
the
lightest
yellow
those
are
the
single
family,
lots
those
have
the
50-foot
buffer
or
those
have
more
buffer
around
it.
H
Yeah,
so
this,
where
you
see
seven,
that
would
be
a
street
coming
in
it'd,
be
a
street
with
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
street
street
trees,
the
front
porches
and
you
can
see
the
oh.
Maybe
you
can't
see
it,
but
the
RLS
on
the
backswing,
those
are
our
lanes
or
alleys,
so
garages
and
and
all
the
back
of
house,
things
that
are
on
the
backs
of
the
homes.
I
H
H
Yeah,
so
what
what
that's
looking
at
or
what
that's
showing
there
is
the
10
foot
right
away
area.
Then
a
25
foot,
buffer
setback.
There's
the
circles
on
that
dark,
the
green,
where
the
25
foot
is
those
are
existing
trees
and
then,
where
the
the
first
line
is,
that
would
be
where
the
lot
or
building
is.
So
that's
where
we
have
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
there.
As
far
as
how
wide
that
green
space
is,
then
there'll
be
a
trail
through
that
Corridor
as
well.
So.
H
D
A
J
So,
currently,
it's
being
designed
right
now
by
Kimberly
horn,
which
is
the
same
traffic
engineering
firm,
that's
working
for
the
developer,
so
the
county
has
Kimberly
horn
on
board
to
do
the
design
work
for
Cherry
Point
improvements.
We
were
trying
to
get
out
ahead
of
all
this
development
so
between
this
development
and
then
the
one
to
the
north.
This
allows
us
to
come
in
and
rather
than
piecemeal,
the
improvements
understand
the
totality
of
those
improvements
and
then
direct
whatever
portion
of
those
off-site
improvements
to
each
development
as
they
come
available.
A
D
One
of
the
advantages
we
have,
which
is
in
Cherry,
Point
Road,
is
that
obviously
it
kind
of
terminates
we
know
what's
feeding
and
so
we're
able
to
look
at
this-
and
this
is
kind
of
part
of
the
land
use
planning.
Part
of
this
is
we
have
the
road
it
kind
of
is
in
a
vacuum
we
have.
We
know
it's
approved
to
the
north.
H
That's
that's
the
vision
for
those
green
spaces.
As
we
move
forward,
we
can
identify
each
of
the
green
spaces
and
say
this
is
here's
the
size
of
it.
It's
100
by
300,
it's
going
to
look
like
this
image.
For
now
we
sort
of
just
wanted
to
show
the
sort
of
the
division
and
the
goal
for
where
we're
headed
from
a
streetscape
standpoint.
It'll
be
the
same
thing.
The
image
on
the
top
right
hand,
corner
there'll,
be
Street
trees,
sidewalks
in
the
middle
of
the
page.
H
There
may
be,
if
there's
some
commercial
at
the
front
of
the
neighborhood,
it
would
be
designed
for
the
T4
zoning,
which
requires
porches
low-key
signage,
a
walkable
neighborhood.
So
this
is
some
inspiration
imagery
for
what
that
would
look
like
and
not
not
water.
We
want
it's
what
we
want
to
look
like
against
what
the
county
requires.
As
far
as
the
transaction
from
an
architectural
standpoint,
these
are
some
images
again.
These
are
images
that
relate
to
the
the
T4
zoning.
This
would
be.
H
These
images
are
more
of
the
commercial
multi-family
areas
and
then
you
sort
of
see
a
transition
of
along
170
on
top
left-hand
corner
would
be
two-story
buildings,
three-story
buildings,
as
you
transition
back
to
the
residential,
it's
more
of
a
cottage
type
single
family
lot
and
the
T3.
These
images
are
are
representing
the
size
and
scale
of
the
T3
I
mean.
H
H
K
H
K
H
H
K
D
Am
I
saying
that
right,
Mark
well
I
mean
there's
two
there's
two
things,
though
so
the
the
Community
Development
code
or
just
codes
in
general,
outside
of
Beaufort
County
when
they're,
when
they're
looking
at
this
type
of
land
use
and
pattern
development
does
kind
of
get
around
to
some
of
these
General
acreages.
Because
they've,
you
know
through
the
science
of
this
they've
looked
at,
you
need
the
general
massing
of
that
size,
so
you
can
kind
of
get
what
you're
saying
that
mixed
use?
Separation
from
you
says,
get
some
of
that
commercial
component.
D
But
if
you
go
back
to
the
I
guess
what
Dan's
kind
of
referring
to
is
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
area
as
a
whole
of
male
and
Bluff
River
Oaks
the
school,
that
was
the
village,
so
it's
being
looked
at
as
a
village
there?
That
is
the
village
place
like
this
is
just
that
last
piece
to
the
South
and
in
that
little
piece
in
front
of
the
school.
D
If
that
was
to
continue
to
develop,
we
wouldn't
want
an
acreage
required
just
a
a
number
in
there
to
prevent
us
from
then
applying
this
same
requirement.
To
that
parcel
we
wouldn't
want
some
artificial
number
to
say:
oh,
we
can't
you're
not
doing
a
place
type,
because
you
don't
have
acreage
they're,
a
piece
of
the
whole
thing
we
would
apply.
We
would
want
to
apply
it
to
them
just
the
same
now,
if
people
get
hung
up
on
that,
Seth
would
be
more
than
happy
to
like.
D
We
said
at
the
last
meeting,
part
of
the
comp
plan
says
to
look
at
the
PTO
and
the
Community
Development
code
and
use
this.
You
are
seeing
it
and
make
any
changes
to
it,
and
if
some
of
the
language
or
the
acreage
we
need
to
add
some
sort
of
asterisk
to
it,
we
can
do
that,
but
we
don't
want
that
to
get
in
the
way
of
what
we
would
view
as
good
land
use
planning
and
the
tool
that
we
have
here.
A
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
question
on
density,
the
84
homes
and
the
furthest
reach
of
the
property
closest
to
the
existing
neighborhood
back
there
is
an
indication
would
be
84,
Homes
single
family
homes.
My
question
is
on
your
previous
documentary
you're,
going
for
400,
plus
or
minus
419
units,
and
you
also
had
indicated
acreage
that
you
would
use
for
commercial.
H
H
A
D
We
wouldn't
want
to
send
it
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
We
would
we
would.
We
would
want
to
amend
the
code.
We
would
amend
the
code
to
to
loosen
if
you
all
perceive
that
as
a
situation-
and
you
look
at
as
a
parcel
thing,
we
will,
we
will
struggle
to
get
Place
type
overlays
again.
We
we
view
this
as
it's
the
village
of
the
whole.
You
have
to
include
mail
and
Bluff
River
Oaks
the
school.
This
parcel
I
would
even
say
our
our
acquisition
of
the
park
that
county
park.
D
So
if
you
all
are
going
to
get
hung
up
on
acreage,
we
can
take
care
of
that
in
another
way,
but
part
of
these
other
conversations.
The
determination
by
the
planning
director
was
made
that
the
intent
of
this
area
and
the
long-range
planning
goals
of
this
area
was
to
develop
as
a
village.
This
is
a
piece
of
that
Village
prior
to
the
new
Community
Development
code.
We
call
them
plan
developments
in
2014
when
this
new
Community
Development
code
came
online.
D
It
did
away
with
plan
developments
and
it
replaced
it
with
the
place
type
overlay,
so
we're
using
a
place
type
overlay.
The
way
we
would
have
previously
the
plan
development,
which
is
what
all
these
zonings
are
to
the
north.
Okay,
but
again,
staff
would
be
more
than
happy
again
and
we're
we're
exploring
the
place
type
overlay
with
you,
and
we
would
be
more
than
happy
as
we
go
through
this
to
look
at
it
and
make
amendments
to
it.
Tighten
it
up,
add
notes
anything
that
we
think
is
necessary
to
make
it
better.
L
D
D
You
subtract
out
certain
things
like
Wetlands,
you
kind
of
come
up
with
your
net
agrees
and
you
multiply
it
by
your
density,
Factor,
okay,
so
that
would
be
the
case
for
a
lot
of
zoning
districts,
but
yes,
that
that
type
of
density,
if
it
was
a
100
or
110
acres,
would
get
the
same
benefit
of
the
application
of
the
whatever
the
Community
Development
code
said
was
the
appropriate
density
for
that.
So.
L
F
I
I
D
Right,
yeah
that
and
that's
and
that's-
and
it's
a
good
question
this
is
this-
is
a
great
part
of
the
conversation.
Is
that
it
that's
kind
of
way
these
things
are
formulated.
It's
set
up
to
kind
of.
Yes,
you
have
that
total
density,
but
by
the
time
you're
done
doing
these
mix
of
these
transects.
You
do
kind
of
create
that
kind
of
more
Village
higher,
dense
node,
where
you
might
have
in
the
front
of
it.
Yeah
maybe
go
back
to
that
sketch.
D
You
might
have
multi-family
that's
coming
in
at
15
units
to
the
acre,
but
if
I'm
doing
that,
that
means
I'm
burning
density
from
the
other
areas,
but
in
totality
that's
what
they
get,
and
so
that's
kind
of
how
they
structure
and
again
that's
normal
and
these
types
of
things.
It's
not
just
this
code
and
that's
kind
of
how
you
want
it.
You
want
your.
D
You
want
your
higher
density
rooftops
to
be
a
little
bit
more
near
your
retail,
more
walkable
kind
of
like
your
little
small
town
area
and
then,
as
you
get
towards
the
rear
towards
the
back,
where
you
get
more
into
that
existing
settlement
pattern
of
the
residential
use,
you
want
it
to
calm
down.
You
don't
want
the
higher
density
stuff.
You
want
it
to
come
in
a
lot.
Less
dense,
you're,
like
your
traditional
two
units
to
the
Jager
type
of
thing,
I
got
you.
H
D
Plan
that
stuff
gets
locked
in
development
agreements.
You
know
if
we
wanted
to
get
more
in
the
weeds
and
start
programming
stuff.
You
know
that's
the
right
of
the
Planning
Commission,
but
you
know
it's
a
good
tool
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
how
we
apply
it
and
and
what
type
of
stuff
we
want
for
assurities.
G
Hey
everybody,
Dylan
Turner
I'm,
with
Kimberly
horn
and
I'm.
The
traffic
engineer
for
this
project
started
working
on
this
one
in
2021
and
got
our
approvals
from
scdot
in
Beaufort
County
in
2022.
As
far
as
the
mitigation
and
stuff
that
I'm
going
to
go
over
with
you,
when
we
did
this
traffic
study,
the
170
Corridor
study
was
not
adopted
by
scdot
yet
and
Eric.
Correct
me,
I,
don't
think
it
still
has
been
fully
adopted
working
through
an
update
right
now.
G
Okay,
so
it
still
hasn't
been
fully
adopted
so
in
the
actual
main
content,
the
traffic
study,
because
we
have
to
encroach
on
the
dot
at
Riverwalk.
We
have
to
have
what's
actually
out
on
the
road
for
us
to
do
the
traffic
starting
to
get
approvals
because
they
won't
allow
us
to
use
the
hypothetical
170
plan
I'm,
saying
hypothetical,
because
it
wasn't
adopted
it
hasn't
been.
So
we
did
include
in
the
actual
Tia
the
very
end
of
it.
G
At
page,
like
315
out
of
out
of
our
document,
there
a
supplemental
analysis
to
show
how
this
development
worked
with
the
170
corridor
plan
in
place.
So
I'm
going
to
go
over
that
a
little
bit
with
you
all
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
questions,
so
please
stop
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
their
questions
as
I
go
along.
G
G
So
this
is
what
170
looks
today
and
I
mean
to
help
the
orientation.
So
we
have
tide
watch
so
really
towards
the
southern
end.
It's
just
how
our
Corridor
was
and
our
page
layout
that
it's
East
West
here
instead
of
north
south
and
then
you
can
see
yeah
so
tide
watch
there
and
then
you
know
Cherry
Points
kind
of
our
hot
topic
of
today.
G
So
we
got
river
walk
to
what
we're
hoping
to
make
a
a
tie-in.
So
I
am
going
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
real
quick.
We
could
zoom
out
a
little
bit,
and
so
what
you
have
here
is
the
the
proposed
mitigation
that
goes
along
with
this
site
is
shown
in
red,
the
green
or
other
traffic
studies
done
in
the
area
that
also
have
mitigation.
G
I
will
say
to
this
point
that
at
Cherry
Point
Road
itself,
if
that
green
arrow
on
Cherry
Point
Road
the
north.
It's
a
left
turn
if
that
is
not
in
place
by
the
time
that
we
go
into
development.
That
also
becomes
part
of
this
development's
mitigation
per
our
requirements
from
scdot,
because
everything
has
to
be
in
place
for
us
to
get
our
occupancy
and
stuff
for
this
site
so
to
to
run
it
down.
At
Riverwalk
we
have
a
a
traffic
signal
and
a
Northbound
right
turn
lane.
G
We
would
utilize
the
existing
U-turn
Lane
as
a
left
turn
lane
into
the
site
there
and
leaving
Side
Access
One
we'd
have
separate
left
through
and
right
lane.
If
we
go
into
Side
Access
2,
which
is
a
right
in
right
out
only
access,
we
would
have
a
right
turn.
D
cell
range
shown
in
red
there
and
then
the
red
turn
link
out
as
we
get
to
Cherry
Point
Road.
We
have
an
additional
left
turn
lane,
so
it's
a
southbound
left
here
kind
of
shown
it's
westbound,
but
really
southbound
left.
G
So
if
you're
coming
from
Beaufort
towards
Bluffton,
let's
say
on
170
it's
that
southbound
movement
and
then
to
allow
for
that
southbound
left
turn
Movement.
We
actually
have
to
widen
Cherry
Point
Road
to
accept
that
additional
turn
lane.
So
right
now,
Cherry
Points
a
two-lane
road
to
make
that
improvement
work.
It
have
to
go
and
be
wide
into
a
three-lane
road
and
we
had
initially
dropped
it
off
at
site
access
number,
two
or
Street
D
shown
here.
G
So
what
this
allows
for
that
distance?
Let's
say
that's
a
thousand
feet
that
actually
allows
for
about
40
cars
if
we
assume
25
feet
per
car
to
stack
up
into
that
lane
as
the
pickup
and
drop
off
time
period
for
the
school
and
then
moving
into.
So
that's
the
left
turn
lane
into
school.
That's
our
what
we
call
a
drop
Lane.
G
G
Instead
of
just
the
170
quarter
plan
it's
because
of
what
I
mentioned
earlier
is
it
hasn't
been
fully
adopted
so
to
get
dot
approvals,
we
had
to
show
what
would
be
required
if
the
170
quarter
plan
and
access
management
study
never
gets
implemented.
Any
questions
on
this
figure
before
it
moves
the
next
all
right.
I
C
C
G
G
And
it's
it's
not
so
I'll
get
to
that
on
the
next
slide.
So
actually
the
signal
that
we're
showing
at
Riverwalk
Boulevard
is
a
part
of
the
170
corridor
plan.
So
if
we
go
in
before
the
170
corridor
plan
is
adopted,
it's
got
to
go
through
adoption
by
scdot
funding
and
construction,
so
this
site
would
likely
go
in
before
all
that
actually
occurs
in
the
timelines.
So
what
would
happen
if
we
got
our
signal
in
a
Riverwalk
Boulevard
there?
We
have
the
signal
infrastructure.
That's
a
future
plan
signal.
G
So
then
the
county
is
actually
able
to
use
the
infrastructure
and
Signal
infrastructure
from
that
to
to
use
for
their
plan.
Also,
we
are
having
some
widening
on
Street,
a
to
add
the
right
turn
lane.
That
is
widening,
that
the
county
can
can
also
use
for
the
future
plan.
The
right
turning
would
have
to
be
put
back
in
that'd,
be
a
DOT
requirement,
but
as
us
widening
170
as
part
of
this,
it
does
tie
into
the
overall
170
plan.
G
G
So
so
what
that
states
so
the
way
that
this
works
and
with
the
way
we
have
this
agreement
with
scdot,
is
that
right
now
the
intersections
of
Riverwalk
and
Cherry
Point
don't
meet
the
D.O.T
spacing
requirements,
and
so,
if
we
do
meet
the
signal
warrants
to
install
the
signal.
Dot
wants
us
to
try
to
curve
River
walks
on
so
there's
some
stuff
we'd
want
to
do
to
Riverwalk,
there's
a
pretty
substantial
Wetland
close
by.
G
F
G
A
G
J
J
L
Can
I
get
some
just
clarification
a
little
bit
because
earlier
Mr
Dukes
had
said
that
the
sc-170
impact
would
take
place
in
it
and
if
I'm
misquoting,
your
miscrukes,
I'm
sorry,
but
I
was
right
as
fast
as
I
could
just
without
cost
to
taxpayers.
So
with
what
you
said,
though,
we
would
have
to
get
grants
for
funding.
Perhaps.
J
Well,
so
so
the
improvements,
so,
let's
there
there's
the
bigger
170
Corridor
that
will
look
at
potentially
six
laning
six
Lanes
on
170..
That's
a
little
ways
down
the
road
as
far
as
what
they're
planning
for
this
development,
they're
accounting
for
all
the
off-site
improvements
that
are
necessary
for
this
development
to
function,
which
includes
as
as
dealing
with
stating
an
additional
southbound
left,
turn
lane
onto
Cherry
Point,
as
well
as
some
improvements
at
Riverwalk,
so
again,
they're
accounting
for
those
improvements
with
their
development
itself.
Okay,.
I
G
The
what
what
is
in
red
here
is
what
the
developer
would
have
to
do
for
permitting
to
get
enclosure
permits
from
scdot
and
then
from
the
approvals
of
Beaufort
County
as
well.
Those
are
what
this
development
would
be
responsible
for
and
that's
in
the
red,
The
Only
Exception
is
the
green.
What's
what
we're
going
to
call
Northbound?
G
C
G
G
Yeah,
so
two
years
from
now
so
hopefully
around
2026,
correct
I
would
think
that
the
170
Corridor
studies
likely
further
than
two
years
away
from
being
fully
open
and
operational,
and
because
of
that,
we
would
likely
be
doing
these
improvements
and
then,
whatever
prior
to
the
170
Corridor
improvements,
because
we
have
to
have
stuff
in
place
before
we
can
get
any
occupancy
from
dot.
Dot
can
hold
the
occupancy
up.
If
our
turn
lane
improvements
aren't
in
place.
C
Another
question
I
have
is
I
think
in
our
last
meeting
we
had
a
letter
from
the
school
district
saying
that
they're
pretty
full
91
percent
I.
Remember
correctly,
you
said
you
were
going
to
make
improvements
in
there
to
keep
the
traffic
from
backing
up
button
to
170.,
so
we're
going
to
put
more
homes
in
more
school-aged
children.
The
school
is
going
to
be
overrun,
the
school's
going
to
have
to
increase,
assuming
the
referendum
gets
passed
in
November
and
future
development
future.
C
G
G
To
say,
like
we
know,
these
numbers
aren't
stagnant,
so
we
apply
growth
to
what
we
call
no
build,
and
then
we
added
on
approved
developments
which
in
this
case
was
Malon,
bluffed,
hokity,
Village
and
then
across
on
pearlstein
is
a
Speedway
like
a
gas
station,
and
so
we
added
all
those
on
top,
and
so
those
numbers
are
accounted
for
as
far
as
the
school
being
over
I.
Don't
know,
I
don't
know
about
that,
but
I
would
say
with
with
our
development
and
as
Dan's
saying,
hopefully
making
it
walkable.
A
N
A
A
Actually
could
do
something
I
assume
a
certain
population
of
the
school
now
gets
bussed
from
elsewhere
to
okatee
Elementary.
Yes,
with
the
students
who
LFA
students
in
the
Cherry,
Point
River,
Oaks,
male
and
Bluff
Complex
Community
be
given
the
first
top
priority
to
use
the
local
school
over
busing,
correct
I
would
hate
to
see
them
get
bust
out.
I.
N
Can't
speak
for
we
haven't
rezoned,
yet
that's
a
process
we
would
go
through
after
we
would
start
building
a
new
school
and
that
kind
of
thing.
Typically,
in
the
past,
when
we
do
rezone
a
perimeter
of
a
mile,
one
mile
radius
gets
automatic
you're
going
to
go
to
that
school,
and
then
we
start
looking
at
different
areas.
N
Be
anything
probably
north
of
okatee
up
into
the
Broad
River
Bridge
most
likely
would
also
go
to
okatee.
We've
had
lots
of
discussions
in
many
years
in
the
past.
If
you've
lived
here
for
very
long
about
sending
students,
you
know
across
the
Broad
River
Bridge
and
and
that's
pretty
much
been
a
hard
line
for
the
board
not
to
want
to
do
that.
A
A
D
D
D
That's
a
part
of
what
the
playing
department
is
trying
to
bring
to
the
table
and
as
a
part
of
this
conversation,
and
when
doing
that
again,
if
you
need
new
schools,
though
I
mean
that's
part
of
it,
if
you
don't
have
new
schools,
this
is
what
I'm
saying
doesn't
even
matter,
but
the
once
you
start
doing
that
you
have
less
bus
trips.
Now
coming
to
the
school,
you
have
less
parents,
clogging
up
Cherry,
Point
Road,
dropping
their
kids
off,
because
they're
walking
those
parents
are
going
to
other
schools.
D
G
All
right
so
next
slide
shows.
The
blue
is
what
Beaufort
County
is
proposing
along
the
170
Corridor,
so
RCI
or
super
Street
I
I
like
to
call
it
super
street.
So
if
you
hear
that
it
basically
is
it's
widening
and
access
management
along
170..
So
not
a
lot
of
left
turns
are
allowed
out
of
side
streets,
and
so
then
they
actually
go
in
in
u-turns.
G
So
that's
part
of
the
plan
and
the
170
quarter
plan
that
infrastructure
could
be
put
in
by
our
developer
if
signals
are
warranted
and
the
reason
we
say
that
is
dot
doesn't
allow
the
signals
to
go
in
unless
they're
warranted,
and
then
we
still
have
because
of
what
we
would
do
and
let's
call
it
the
short
term
or
the
pre-170
corridor
plan.
We
still
have
the
widening
to
the
school.
That
would
be
a
part
of
this
development
and
the
Dual
left
lane
on
170
into
this
development.
G
J
G
G
Got
a
lot
of
plans
on
our
background
growth
rate.
For
so
whenever
we
do
these
traffic
studies
we
reach
out
to
Beaufort,
County
and
scdot
and
say:
hey.
Do
you
know
developments
close
by
that?
You
want
us
to
consider,
and
so
that's
when
they
gave
us
mail
and
Bluff
okatee,
Village
and
Speedway
for
us
to
consider
in
that
proximity
than
anything
outside
of
that
proximity,
Is,
Our
growth
rate
to
to
so
that
we
acknowledge
that
hey.
G
G
F
G
All
right,
I'm
going
to
move
to
one
final
slide
from
the
traffic,
so
just
kind
of
showing
what
traffic
flow
could
look
like.
So
the
red
line
is
the
existing
traffic
flow
along
Cherry
Point.
So
it's
just
one
point
through
Cherry
Point
in
that
signal.
If
we
have
our
traffic
signal
at
Riverwalk,
we've
got
another
connection
Point,
not
only
for
the
residents
of
this
development
we're
talking
about
today,
but
existing
residents
on
Cherry
Point.
Let's
say
that
the
school
is
having
one
of
those
days.
K
D
G
G
A
A
M
M
M
So
not
only
is
this
going
to
overload
with
400
there's
going
to
be
another
one
just
down
the
road
another
one
just
down
the
road
and
another
one
just
down
the
road
I
think
Jasper
County
just
came
up
with
the
moratorium
to
stop
some
of
this
stuff.
Take
a
breather
and
re-look
at
this
stuff
during
their
presentation
this
evening,
I
think
they've
actually
said:
they're
not
really
sure
what
they're
going
to
do
or
if
they
do
know
what
they're
going
to
do.
They
haven't
told
it
to
you,
because
they
could
do
this.
M
They
could
do
that.
It's
not
been
finalized,
they're,
showing
you
two
sections,
but
they
could
go
to
three
sections.
So
why
are
we
going
to
improve
it
without
knowing
exactly
what
they're
going
to
do?
I
still
feel
like
we're
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
We're
gonna
we're
gonna.
Do
this
counting
on
a
referendum
to
pass
if
the
referendum
doesn't
pass,
we've
got
serious
problems.
P
Hello,
my
name
is
Grant
McClure
I
live
here
in
Beaufort
and
I
work
for
the
coastal
conservation
League
our
office
is
at
1212
King
Street
on
behalf
of
the
conservation
League.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
tonight.
We
previously
commented
on
this
issue
at
the
last
point
in
commission
meeting,
and
at
that
time
we
had
asked
for
a
deferral
due
to
concerns
about
traffic
infrastructure
and
environmental
impacts.
P
We
are
respectfully
asking
the
applicant
to
consider
pursuing
pursuing
an
additional
continuance
for
this
project.
We
appreciate
the
applicant
has
increased
the
buffers
to
50
feet
and
also
they've
added
an
environmental
assessment.
However,
we
still
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
impacts.
The
okati
River
from
increasing
the
the
impervious
surface
in
the
area.
P
That's
a
new
committee
that
was
recently
established
that
was
kind
of
a
step
in
the
right
direction
towards
realizing
this
Regional
planning
strategy,
this
sc-170
corridor
plan,
and
so
basically,
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
we
just
need
a
little
bit
more
time
to
try
to
figure
out
some
of
these
issues
with
traffic
with
the
environment,
with
the
schools,
Etc
and
so
I
respectfully
would
ask
that
we
consider
another
deferral.
Thank
you
for
your
time
appreciate
it.
Q
149
Cherry,
Point
and
I
had
everything.
I
was
going
to
say
to
you,
but
I
actually
now
have
more
questions
than
statements,
believe
it
or
not.
I
wish.
We
had
had
some
of
that
in
our
agenda
package
to
go
over
and
digest
ourselves
density.
They
keep
saying
what
they
can
do,
not
what
they're
going
to
do.
How
can
you
permit
move
it
on
to
the
next
level
when
we
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
do?
That's
a
big
one
for
me,
the
developer.
Q
He
needs
to
make
money
I
understand
that
I
like
to
make
money
it's
tea
to
R,
one
dwelling
or
three
acres.
What
is
wrong
with
rural
in
this
County?
Why
are
we
trying
to
pave
it
all?
Why
are
we
building
more
and
more
and
more
before
the
schools
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
referendum
will
probably
be
voted
down?
It's
a
tax
reassessment
year.
We
are
tired
of
paying
we're
tired
of
Beaufort
County
Building
without
a
long-range
plan
and
I.
Don't
like
your
long-range
plan.
Q
It's
not
working,
not
in
Beaufort
County
anywhere
in
Beaufort
County
find
one
place
where
it's
working
one
place:
Hilton
Head
Bluffton,
Buford
okatee.
Where
is
it
working
tell
me
so
the
cards
been
bought
before
the
horse
and
that
horse
is
is
starving,
okay,
environment.
My
last
thing:
if
you
weren't
offended
by
the
new
Kirk
assessment,
I
was
it's
okay,
we've
got
it,
they
stated
I
have
to
say
this
quote.
This
tract
is
no
different
than
thousands
of
Acres
of
similar
habitats
spread
throughout
the
low
country.
Q
What
does
that
mean
that
it's
okay
to
annihilate
our
neighborhood
and
tell
the
wildlife
go
you're,
not
special,
and
where
are
they
going
to
go?
We're
Paving
everything?
Where
are
they
going
to
go
you
permit
it
and
I
don't
mean
you,
I
mean
Beaufort
County,
Mallon,
Bluff,
River
Oaks
to
dump
on
Cherry
Point,
and
now
you
want
five
exits.
O
Clearing
the
Judah
and
I'm
149
Cherry
Point
as
well.
You,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
have
a
very
difficult
I,
don't
know
how
you
do
it,
because
we
were
here
at
the
first
meeting
and
thought
we
had
information
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
a
lot
more
information
in
what
was
done.
The
basic
change
was
the
50-foot
buffer
in
this
study,
which
told
us
nothing
more
than
we
don't
have
any
endangered
species.
Well,
we
won't
because
we're
going
to
ruin
the
places
that
they
could
go
anyway.
O
But
besides
that
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
71
acres
and
then
you
talked
about
the
110
acres,
even
the
71
Acres
isn't
71,
because
if
you
look
at
it
there's
a
lot
of
green
space
or
water
space
in
that
acreage,
they
say
it's
greens
baseball.
They
can't
build
on
it
anyway,
so
that
condenses
that
71
acres
and
110
that
we're
talking
about
even
more
during
the
traffic
study.
O
O
Can
you
imagine
like
right
now
the
last
I
saw
we
have
mail
and
Bluff
jumping
into
River
Oak,
and
that's
one
street
everybody's
driving
through
the
development,
and
this
is
a
neighborhood
I,
wonder
about
that,
whether
that's
a
good
thing
or
not
I
think
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
over
development.
You
see
it
both
in
Jasper,
County
and
and
all
over
Beaufort
you've
got
Argent.
You
look
at
River
Oaks.
What's
happened
in
Bluffton
River's
End
is
right
up
the
way
and
new,
this
River
Oaks
development
right
here.
O
All
that
is
in
development
right
now
and
what
what's
the
long-term
plan?
What
how
do
we
envision
Beaufort
County
to
really
look
in
the
future
and
I?
Don't
I
see
we're
just
Building
open
land
as
soon
as
there's
open
land
here
said
we're
accounting
for
land?
That's
not
even
not
even
part
of
the
development.
As
oh!
That's!
That's!
Okay!
That's
with
your
tool.
We
can
go
ahead
and
include
that
too,
because
somebody
else
may
build
so
I
exceeded.
F
A
O
Think
there's
an
awful
lot.
There
wasn't
enough
information
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden
we're
getting
more
information,
which
is
good,
but
it
sounds
like,
as
fleece
said,
we
need
more
information
to
really
help
decide
or
you
do,
and
we
can't
even
make
comment
if
we
don't
have
that
information
and
it's
more
than
just
comment
we're
against
building
it's.
What
we're,
what
we're
doing
long
term.
O
R
Hello,
Derek,
stetter,
169,
Cherry,
Point
I
had
a
great
plan
in
place,
and
then
we
got
some
additional
information.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
little
muddy,
but
that's
okay
I
feel
like
we're
just
trying
to
force
something
into
an
area
that
isn't
big
enough
to
accommodate
it.
We
have
a
comprehensive
plan.
That's
been
mentioned
numerous
times,
it's
very
confusing
to
me,
because
I
haven't
had
time
to
digest
it,
but
it
doesn't
make
any
logical
sense.
R
R
R
Dan
Mr
Kiefer
had
mentioned
that
the
comprehensive
plan
is
fluid,
so
just
because
we
can
do
it
doesn't
mean
we
should
I
feel
like
we're
taking
or
we're
taking
land
from
someone
else
to
say
we
can
make
it
work
and
the
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
great
plan
and
I
think
in
the
right
application.
I
think
it's
it's
excellent.
This
is
not
the
right
application.
R
The
density
scares
the
crap
out
of
me
419
or
400
whatever,
if
it's
400
plus,
that
is
so
many
dwelling
units
in
that
small
of
an
area
and
again
people
have
mentioned
it
before
that
their
screen
space
taken
out,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
lot
of
units
in
that
small
of
an
area
and
I'm
gonna
I
have
a
minute
so
I'm,
good,
I'm,
gonna,
I'll,
wrap
it
up.
Real
quick,
but
Mark
had
mentioned
that
this
development
has
a
community
in
mind
which
I
think
is
a
very
interesting
statement.
The.
R
S
Kathy
Kathy
Keating
and
I
look
at
132
Cherry,
Point,
Road
and
I
I'm,
another
person
with
prepared
statement,
but
we
didn't
have
all
the
information
I'm
going
to
ask
you
guys
a
question:
doesn't
it
seem
like
there's?
This
whole
thing
is
predicated
on
IFS.
If
this
happens
and
if
that
happens-
and
if
that
happens,
you
know,
then
it's
all
going
to
be
good.
Well,
it's
not
number
one
number
two.
S
You
know
there.
You
said
the
right
thing:
yeah,
it's
a
great
plan
somewhere
else
somewhere
that
isn't
on
that
thoroughfare.
That
goes
from
462
to
278..
Go
further,
go
further.
South
no
I
mean
honest
to
God.
This
is
the
craziest.
Damn
thing
ever,
if
you
saw
what's
going
on
behind
the
elementary
school,
that's
not
a
village,
that's
a
bunch
of
second-rate
hack
houses.
S
You
know-
and
we
all
know
it
because
we're
watching
it
nothing's
plumbed,
nobody's
checking
these
things.
You,
if
I
sure,
as
hell
hope.
Whoever
buys
these
things
does
some
serious
due
diligence
because
they
won't.
You
know.
I
I
I
was
going
to
read
this
prepared
thing,
so
I
don't
go
nuts
on
you
guys
but
gee.
S
A
J
So
to
address
the
coordination
between
Jasper
and
hardyville,
we
are
all
part
all
the
agencies
are
part
of
the
mpo,
which
is
the
Metropolitan
planning
organization.
So,
as
far
as
the
coordination
for
traffic
and
planning
that
has
taken
place
that
they
are
all
part
of
the
lats
study
area,
which
they
all
sign
off
on
the
the
corridor
study
itself
and
again,
this
updated
Corridor
study
that
we're
doing
right
now
will
again
be
signed
off
on
by
lats.
J
We
will
bring
that
to
you
all
for
review
as
well
so
again
more
to
come
on
that,
but
I
just
want
want
everyone
to
understand
that
coordination
between
Jasper
and
hardyville
does
happen
now,
as
long
as
well
as
all
the
municipalities
throughout
the
county.
So
we
are
working
on
that.
As
far
as
that
updated
Corridor
study,
we
will
bring
that
to
you
all,
so
you
will
all
have
that
review
again.
K
K
The
only
remark
I
saw
was
that
it
was
going
to
be
handled
on
site,
but
I,
don't
on
these
Maps
I
see
you
know
Wetland
buffer
Wetland,
but
I,
don't
know
how
all
of
the
runoff
from
the
all
the
dwellings
you
know
the
impervious
runoff
is
going
to
be,
and
that
concerns
me
for
the
river
okay.
So
when
do
we
learn
about
that.
D
Well,
that's
engineering,
so
we
have
the
storm
water
manual.
We
have
a
storm
water
department.
All
developments
have
that
storm
water
manual
apply
to
them.
It
involves.
Basically,
if
whatever
water
runs
to
an
area,
you
have
to
treat
it
or
manage
it.
I,
don't
I
know
you
all
know
about
storm
owner
manual,
so
that
would
be
a
requirement
of
any
development
whether
it's
this
or
it
develops
under
its
current
zoning
or
any
other
site.
They
have
to
apply
the
stormwater
manual
as
a
part
of
their
site
development.
F
A
Yeah,
excuse
me
Mark,
that's
all
right
as
I
understand
it.
The
OCD
is
already
impaired,
so
it
seems
to
me
in
any
runoff
stormwater
sewer
has
to
be
maintained
on
the
site
and
that
dropped
into
the
okatee
is
this.
Is
there
are
other
Provisions
in
the
stormwater
plant
management
manual
for
keeping
it
on
site.
D
I
can't
speak
for
the
store.
I
can't
do
all
that
so
you're
saying
like
the
no
drainage
would
leave
the
site
like
it
currently
does
that's
an
engineering
question.
That
would
be
a
very
strong
feat.
That
means
everything
is
being
managed
and
handled
and
infiltrated
at
the
site.
With
no
points
of
you
know,
access
or
runoff
I
believe
even
170
is
draining
through
the
site.
Right
now,
it's
taken.
It's
taken
water
off
of
170
as
a
part
of
the
old
design.
Well,.
D
Could
be
I
would
say
that
here
part
of
that
drainage
there
could
be
some
of
the
stuff.
What
you're
saying
is
there
could
be
some
direct
drainage
from
the
road.
That's
not
really
getting
treated
just
kind
of
just
running
through
if
this
property
was
whatever
it
is.
Is
that
that,
of
course,
that
drainage
would
have
to
be
rerouted
and
managed?
A
D
Statement
yeah
the
storm
water
manual
basically
says
you
have
to
man
like
if
there's
so
much.
Let's
say
a
gallon
of
water
goes
to
a
point
when
you're
done
developing
a
gallon
of
water
can
go
there,
you
have
to
hold
it
back
and
you
have
to
release
it
and
you
have
to
clean
it
before
it
can
go
out
and
that's
kind
of
what
stormwater
manuals
or
storm
water
engineering
does
these
days.
D
H
H
H
Okay,
so
in
the
master
plan,
there's
an
existing
stormwater,
ditch
that
runs
basically
through
the
center
of
the
property
directly
out.
Falls
I
think
you're
yeah
exactly
where
since
pointing
so,
we
would
be
picking
up
that
stormwater
and
with
the
new
ordinance
in
particular,
we
got
to
treat
the
stormwater
in
multiple
locations.
So
as
soon
as
water
hits
the
building
or
any
parking
lot
surface.
Most
of
these
parking
lots
will
be
pervious.
H
It's
based
on
the
new
requirements,
we'll
treat
the
water
for
sort
of
the
first
flush
as
it
enters
the
site
or
comes
off
of
the
building.
That's
the
first
level
of
treatment,
then
they'll
there'll
be
additional
treatment
as
the
water
drains
across
previous
surfaces
or
impervious
surfaces.
In
this
case,
and
you
see
the
central
Green
Space
that
runs
through
that'll,
be
one
treatment
method.
That
area
will
be
will
contain
rain,
Gardens
and
bioswells
to
treat
that
water.
It
has
water
everything,
sort
of
flows,
obviously
towards
the
river
towards
the
South.
H
The
additional
treatment
areas
would
be
what
you
see
in
blue
those
would
be
either
rain,
Gardens
or
bios
Wells
or
some
ponds
with
the
new
ordinance.
You
don't
see
big
ponds,
it's
not
part
of
what's
allowed
in
new
ordinance.
That's
why
you're
not
seeing
a
big
five
acre
pond.
So
we
have
the
land
set
aside
on
the
southern
Corridor,
which
runs
while
running
East-West
from
170
in
the
southern
part
of
the
plan,
behind
that
green
amenity
and
then
really
every
area
as
you
go
towards
the
east
has
green
space
allocated
for
storm
water.
H
In
addition,
there'll
be
we're
not
showing
it
here.
There'll
be
treatment
in
all
the
alleys
there'll
be
gravel,
there
may
be
subsurface
retain
retainage
in
those
alleys,
so
we
have
four
or
five
different
methods.
That'll
be
used
to
treat
stormwater
as
far
as
calculations
and
volume
of
water-
we're
not
not
there
yet,
but
as
Mark
described
it,
we
have
pretty
strict
guidelines
and
codes
to
follow
to
get
there.
K
C
A
B
C
The
other
comment:
I
have
I
really
like
the
idea
of
the
over
the
overlay,
District
Village
type
thing.
That's
really
good,
with
the
comprehensive
plan
who
had
pointed
out.
However,
having
said
that,
I'm
long,
looking
along
the
same
line
as
Dan
over
there
there's
just
too
much
that's
unknown.
The
school
issue
is
just
a
big
big
one.
For
me,
the
referendum
doesn't
pass.
C
Then
the
whole
thing
falls
apart.
It's
a
house
of
cards
just
Falls
right
down
and
I.
Think
you're
right,
I
think
there
are
at
least
three
to
five
years.
Maybe
less
I
don't
know
depending
on
when
things
happen
away
and
I.
Don't
think
I
can
support
this.
This
development
at
this
time,
it's
just
too
early.
L
The
only
comments,
I
Ever
Gonna
Echo,
a
lot
of
what
we've
talked
about
up
here
and
what
a
lot
of
folks
at
the
community
have
said
again.
Just
like
Glenn
has
said
it's
the
success
of
the
referendum,
it's
a
it's
a
50
50
chance
of
whether
that's
going
to
happen
and
then
again,
even
if
it
does
pass
you're
talking
2026.
L
Perhaps
maybe
we
don't
know
given
a
current
Workforce
or
folks
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
construct
and
build
and
get
things
done
on
time.
Continued
growth,
not
in
this
area,
but
in
Beaufort,
County
alone.
Ever
since
the
pandemic
has
been
exponential.
Anything
if
any
of
y'all
remember
four
years
ago,
170
was
a
two-lane
road
and
you
look
back.
You
know,
look
now
and
you
see
what
it
is
you're
just
it's
it's
mind-boggling
to
me.
I
do
as
I
said
this.
The
last
meeting
I
appreciate
what
the
staff
has
done.
L
I
think
these
things,
these
these
Village
Place
type
overlays,
are
excellent.
I'm.
Just
not
sure
this
is
the
right
place
for
it.
Given
the
growth
in
this
particular
area,
that's
already
there
given
the
infrastructure
that
is
still
up
in
the
air
of
whether
it's
going
to
be
approved
or
the
why
the
roads
are
going
to
be
widen.
Nobody
knows
yet
it's
it's
still
just
too
much
smoke
and
mirrors.
L
The
highways
are
already
congested
as
it
is
I,
don't
see
it
getting
any
better
and
during
the
time
when
we
plan
on
making
these
changes
whenever
as
the
county
and
scdot
decides
they're
going
to
come
to
terms,
what
impact
is
that
going
to
have
on
the
current
residence
in
this
area
and
the
folks
that
are
still
trying
to
do
their
day-to-day
tasks?
I
mean
I
get
it.
You
know
it's
progress,
It's
development,
but
some
folks
have
had
enough.
L
The
community
impact
alone.
I
think
is
substantial
and
and
I'm
not
real
sure.
This
is
the
right
time
and
the
right
place
for
this
I
do
have
a
question.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
out
of
order
or
not.
How
long
was
the
property
purchased
by
the
developer?
Do
we
know
that
wasn't
pretty
much
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
I.
C
F
I
Voice
here,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
think
in
my
own
mind
what
the
role
of
the
Planning
Commission
is
and
for
me,
it's
been
in
many
ways,
is
a
caretaker
or
Steward
of
our
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
something
that
we
just
recently
adopted,
which
was
an
extremely
long
public
process
that
brought
us
to
where
we
are
today.
These
please
type
overlay
locations
and
the
type
of
place
types
that
are
being
suggested
were
all
part
of
that
public
process
and
are
adopted
as
part
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
I
So,
in
my
mind,
I,
don't
know
that
this
commission's
role
is
really
to
make
a
decision
on
what
is
essentially
placing
a
moratorium
on
development,
because,
whether
it's
this
development
or
as
the
properties
currently
zoned,
any
new
growth
is
going
to
have
impacts.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
can
control
other
things
that
I
think
are
Beyond.
This
body's
control,
the
the
school
district
situation,
is
one
that
I,
don't
I
mean
if
this
was
developed,
is
T2
one
new
house
with
children
and
is
going
to
have
an
impact.
I
So
it's
not
that
there
would
be
no
impact
unless
there
was
a
moratorium
on
development.
I.
Think
one
of
the
questions
from
the
first
meeting
that
I
had
a
lot
of
concerns
with
was
the
roadway
infrastructure
and
I
felt
that
a
lot
of
those
questions
were
answered
in
terms
of
the
exhibit
that
showed
all
of
the
improvements
that
are
going
to
be
required
to
be
made
by
the
developer
in
order
for
this
to
move
forward.
So
it's
there
is
no
question
in
my
mind
on
the
timing
of
those
improved.
I
Excuse
me
improvements
that
those
will
happen
as
part
of
this
development
before
that
development
is
complete,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
different
with
these
Place
tape.
Place
type
overlays
in
my
mind,
versus
just
standard
zoning,
is
that
with
standard
zoning,
you've
got
a
lot
more
uncertainty,
I
believe
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
information
that
has
to
be
provided.
I
mean
I
think
if
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
tied
to
a
recommendation
to
provide
greater
certainty,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
benefit
to
everyone.
I
So,
for
example,
they've
talked
about
increasing
the
buffer,
so
I
think
that's
something
that's
a
given.
They
provided
information
that
said,
they're
willing
to
limit
or
constrict
density
for
all
of
the
the
area,
that's
being
Zone
T3
to
84
dwelling
units,
which
is
about
2.3
dwelling
units
per
acre.
So
we
know
that
that
back
half
to
two-thirds
is
going
to
be
single-family
development
and
that
the
density
is
going
to
be
capped
at
that
2.3.
Roughly
dwelling
units
per
acre,
which
is
immediately
adjacent
to
where
the
existing
residential
is.
I
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
in
that
first
traffic
study
that
talked
about
240
000,
non
residential
square
feet
and
in
one
of
the
letters
that
we
received
in
that
first
go
around.
There
was
concern
about
that.
Obviously,
I
certainly
had
a
concern
about
that.
Much
on
residential
development,
but
I
think
now
they're
saying
that
their
non-residential
development
is
going
to
be
somewhere
between
25
and
75
000
square
feet
and,
if
they're
willing
to
lock
that
in
so
that
we
know,
there's
going
to
be
no
more
than
75
and
no
less
than
25.
I
Then
I
think
that
provides
some
certainty.
We
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
of
those
non-residential
uses
that
are
necessary
for
this
Village
concept
to
work,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
so
good
that
you're
going
to
end
up
with
too
much
commercial
development
and
create
the
issues
that
we
all
want
to
avoid
along
170..
I
There's
a
pretty
long
list
of
land
uses
that
are
allowed
within
the
T4,
but
if
they
fit
within
kind
of
this
lotting
pattern
that
they've
provided
on
the
regulating
plan
and
general
scale
and
mass-
and
you
know
you're
not
going
to
have
big
box
retail
out
there,
you're
going
to
have
things
that
I
think
are
consistent
with
the
type
of
scale
and
messing
that
belongs
within
a
village
place.
So
well.
I
had
some
concerns.
A
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
had
from
the
first
meeting
were
answered
by
the
responses
that
we
got
tonight.
I
L
It
just
in
response
to
John
what
you
said.
This
is
what
I
kept
thinking
of
when
you
were
talking
pretty
much
about
the
square
footage
and
what
they
want
to
build
in
that
particular
the
front
end
zone
towards
170.
You
know
the
the
theme
that
comes
up
again
and
again
in
the
comprehensive
plan
is
walkable
urbanism.
L
J
L
That
there
is
going
to
be
those
type
of
business
in
there
that
people
are
going
to
want
to
walk
to.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
an
Old
Navy.
It
doesn't
need
to
be.
You
know
something
big
and
large,
because
then
you
are
going
to
incur
that
further
traffic.
That's
just
going
to
do
nothing
more
than
just
congest
that
area
I,
don't
know
how
you
guarantee
that,
because
those
would
be
opened
up
for
bidders
to
come
in
and
put
in
whatever
they
want.
So
there
wouldn't
need
to
be
some
more
stringent.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
K
I
agree:
you
know
with
the
kinds
of
comments
that
have
been
said
already,
but
and
to
go
back
to
the
last
meeting.
I
mean
I,
remember,
saying
Clark
before
the
horse
and
that
to
me
was
just
sort
of
the
bottom
line
and
why
two
of
us
voted
not
to
let
the
developers
proceed
or
not
to
defer
pardon
me
and
you
know,
and
we
were
out
voting.
That's
fine
and
you
know
democracy
at
work.
K
I
think
it's
great
and
I
appreciate
all
the
neighbors
who
have
come
out
again
and
and
the
development
team,
but
I
I,
really
think
they're
just
too
many
ifs,
I'm,
just
very
uncomfortable,
with
the
number
of
ifs
and
and
I
want
to
praise
the
planning
staff
for
applying
or
wanting
to
develop
or
hope
to
learn
from
the
place,
type,
overlay
and
I.
Think
Mark
is
right.
K
I
think
you
know
in
the
sense
that
the
planning
staff
is
looking
for
new
ways
to
develop
compatibly
with
the
neighbors
in
general,
in
Beaufort
County
we're
trying
you
know
again
you're
doing
the
best.
You
can
I
just
think
that
the
PTO
in
this
venue-
it's
just
the
wrong
place
for
it.
It's
the
first
time.
My
question
last
meeting
was:
is
this
the
first
time
it's
been
done
and
tried
of
you
for
accounting
and
I?