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From YouTube: COUNTY COUNCIL WORKSHOP FOR HIGHWAY 278 PROJECT
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Council Chambers, Administration Building Beaufort County Government Robert Smalls Complex 100 Ribaut Road, Beaufort
Thursday, April 21, 2022
5:00 PM
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION
3. PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT
4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
AGENDA ITEMS
5. SCDOT, BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL, AND TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND COUNCIL WORKSHOP FOR HIGHWAY 278 PROJECT
6. ADJOURNMENT
A
A
A
Public
notice
of
this
meeting
has
been
published,
posted
and
distributed
in
compliance
with
the
south
carolina
freedom
of
information
act.
Before
I
ask
for
a
member
of
council
to
move
our
agenda
and
second,
our
agenda,
let
me
give
you
some
housekeeping
things
that
we
need
to
do.
You
will
see
in
front
of.
You
is
a
microphone.
A
If
you
wish
to
speak,
you
will
have
to
press
the
button
to
change
it
to
green
okay.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
room.
This
is
being
taped.
There
will
be
people
who
will
be
looking
in.
We
see
each
other's
names,
but
people
on
the
county
channel
may
not.
So
when
you
are
speaking,
if
you
would
please
identify
who
you
are
okay,
so
with
that
in
mind,
may
I
have
an
approval
of
the
agenda.
Please
from
a
member
of
county
council
mr
rodman
makes
the
motion.
A
May
I
alice
howard
makes
the
second
any
discussion
about
the
agenda.
Seeing
none.
The
agenda
will
be
approved
without
any
objections,
and
I
see
no
objections
this
evening
under
item
number.
Five,
the
scdot,
the
beaufort
county
council
and
the
town
of
hilton
head
council
are
going
to
conduct
a
workshop
for
the
highway
278
project.
A
I'm
going
to
do
some
introductory
remarks.
I
am
then
going
to
turn
it
over
to
jared.
Who
will
do
some
other
remarks?
I
will
then
turn
it
over
to
craig
nguyen,
who
will
have
a
presentation
for
us.
I
will
then
turn
it
over
to
my
counterpart
mayor
mccann
for
any
remarks
he
wishes
to
make,
and
then
we
can
have
a
dialogue
on
all
the
information
we
have
received.
A
A
Senator
davis
then
came
aboard
and
said
that
he
wanted
to
do
some
things
based
upon
some
of
the
things
he
did
for
us
by
going
to
the
state
and
meeting
with
secretary
hall
and
scdot
allows
us
to
have
this
meeting
so
that
we
can
take
those
things
that
we
talked
about
and
narrow
them
down.
So
we're
that
much
closer
to
moving
this
project
along
to
the
full
design
that
has
to
be
done
before
anything
else
can
happen.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
jared.
B
B
So
one
thing
I
just
want
to
reiterate
is
kind
of
where
we
are
one
of
the
main
things
that
we're
all
aware
of
is
the
funding
that
we
have
set
up
for
the
project,
so
the
biggest
one
no
funding
comes
without
its
own
restrictions
and
the
biggest
one
that
we
have
is
the
sieve
application
and
the
sub
grant.
So
there's
120
million
dollars
there.
B
The
worst
thing
about
the
funding
is
that
it's
only
120
million
dollars.
So
as
this
project
develops,
as
we
all
are
aware
of
in
today's
environment,
with
inflation
and
increased
cost,
it's
only
120
million
dollars.
So
that's
something
for
us
to
be
aware
of
is
something
that
we
have
as
the
county
and
signing
the
application
or
the
iga
that
any
costs
incurred
beyond
that.
Don't
go
back
to
sieve,
don't
go
back
to
dot
to
come
back
to
the
county.
B
So
one
of
the
commitments
that
we
have
as
the
county
is
to
provide
quarterly
updates
to
the
sieb,
so
we
just
provided
our
first
quarterly
update
since
the
the
application
or
the
iga
was
finalized.
Last
fall
with
that
quarterly
report,
and
it
was.
It
was
a
difficult
report
to
write
as
far
as
a
quarterly
report
based
off
when
the
application
was
and
approval
from
from
the
sieve
in
2020,
and
we
started
work
on
this
all
the
way
back
in
2017
when
we
first
engaged
d.o.t
under
contract.
B
So
it's
been
a
long
time
in
the
making
all
the
work
that
we've
worked
on,
isn't
in
vain,
but
it's
building
us
up
to
a
point.
But
what,
if
that
did
anything
was
to
remind
me
and
us
as
a
county?
And
us
as
a
group
at
large,
is
that
we
can't
just
march
aimlessly.
We
got
to
have
a
direction
and
we
got
to
continue
to
keep
keep
pressing
forward
and
that
schedule
that's
along
with
that,
is
that
this
project
is
to
be
fully
completed
by
the
end
of
2028.
B
B
So
that's
one
of
the
ways
that
we're
approaching
and
one
of
the
requirements
that
we
have
as
the
county
so
based
off
last
meeting
and
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
we've
had
we've
had
now
three
or
two
public
hearings
and
then
a
third
public
information
meeting
held
in
march.
There's
a
lot
of
good
comments.
We've
made
a
lot
of
modifications
over
the
process
and
coordinating
with
with
all
the
stakeholders,
not
just
us,
but
also
the
locals
and
and
the
the
agencies
that
that
are
going
to
be
reviewing
the
project.
B
All
those
were
incorporated
and
a
lot
of
additions
and
and
modifications
have
been
made
along
the
way.
So
the
comments
that
have
been
made
in
the
public
are
not
made
in
vain.
They
have
been
incorporated
into
what
we
have
now,
as
the
modified
preferred
alternative,
so
thought
it
was
fitting
for
us.
I
don't
know
that
we've
done
a
good
job
as
as
spearheading
the
project
of
communicating
all
the
efforts
that
have
been
put
into
the
project,
thus
far
both
to
our
council
and
to
hilton
heads
council,
town
council.
B
So
I
thought
it
was
fitting
for
us
to
invite
d.o.t
and
kci
the
design
team
to
come
and
talk
and
tell
us
what
has
been
incorporated
and
some
of
the
more
recent
items
that
have
been
discussed
and
from
there
we
can
talk
from
where
we
go
from
what
other
items
do
we
have
to
resolve
to
kind
of
again
press
this
project
forward
and
and
bring
it
into
existence?
So
with
that
craig
I'll?
Let
you
guys
start
with
what
you
have.
C
Yes,
please
yeah,
so
we've
got
a
short,
maybe
10
slide
powerpoint.
That
just
goes
through
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
where,
where
we've
been
in
epa,
but
it
also
addresses
some
of
the
concerns
that
senator
david
shared
in
his
letter
as
well.
So
we're
going
to
talk
through
through
the
nepa
process,
we're
going
to
talk
through
traffic,
we're
going
to
talk.
Indian
simulation,
that's
been
a
big
thing
that
it
hasn't
been
done.
It's
been
done,
we'll
show
the
numbers
and
everything
for
it.
D
C
Yes,
sir,
so
the
nipper
process
is
the
overarching
environmental
process
in
developing
a
project,
whether
that's
through
federal
highways.
It's
through
epa,
that's
through
any
federal
agency.
They
have
to
follow
the
nepa
process,
which
is
an
environment
national
environmental
policy
act.
So
it's
an
overarching
policy
that
gathers
all
the
other
environmental
policies,
federal
environmental
policy,
state
policies
underneath
of
it
and
what's
looked
at
for
it.
So
as
you
look
through
it,
you
know
the
first
thing
that
we
did
in
2018
we
had
a
public
information
which
was
entirely
to
gather
the
public's
understanding.
C
C
Next
thing
we
go
out
and
we
do
is
perform
technical
studies,
so
we
have
environmental
scientists,
specialists
that
go
out
they
they
look
at
all
the
wetlands
they
created.
Initially,
they
started
with
gis
based
maps
to
understand
the
wetlands,
the
cultural
resources
any
essential
fish
habitat
and
they
start
coordination
with
all
the
federal
and
state
partners
we
at
the
dot.
We
have
agency
coordination
meetings
that
happen
monthly,
so
this
project
has
been
before
the
agency
coordination
meeting,
which
includes
coast
guard
corps
of
engineers,
fish
and
wildlife,
federal
highways,
dnr
et
cetera.
C
All
the
federal
agencies
that
make
a
decision
on
the
project
shippo
is
typically
included
in
that
as
well.
So
we
do
all
these
technical
studies
that
kind
of
gives
us
the
base
map
to
go
on.
So
then
we
developed
19
alternatives
I'll
go
through
those
again,
so
we
developed
the
night
the
range
of
19
alternatives.
Those
were
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
the
public
as
well
as
from
council
members
to
understand
you
know
hey
what
other
ways
are
we
looking
at?
What
can
we
find?
C
You
know
that,
potentially
to
solve
this
solution,
so
we
had
anything
that
went
from
the
bluffton
parkway
that
connects
the
cross
island
parkway
to
the
ones
that
went
north
and
connected
into
the
other
end
of
the
car.
You
know
other
end
of
the
cross
island
parkway,
so
we
had
multiple
options
and
I'll
show
those.
C
So
in
that,
then
we
analyze
those
alternatives,
there's
initial
criteria
and
I
believe
that's
the
next
slide
that
shows
the
initial
criteria,
which
is
all
gis
based.
It
was
wetlands
properties
right
away
consistently
with
the
pineal
island
wildlife
refuge,
because
that
was
a
big
thing
that
we
had
to
look
at.
Is
we
have
a
wildlife
refuge
in
the
middle
of
this
project,
so
we
had
to
work
with
fish
and
wildlife
service
to
find
something
that
met
their
purpose
of
what
their
refuge
was
for.
C
So
we've
had
multiple
coordination
meetings
directly
with
them,
as
well
as
the
ace
meetings,
so
we
analyze
those
alternatives
that
gives
us
that
kind
of
helps
us
evaluate
those,
and
then
we
went
from
19
to
nine
under
that.
So
that's
that
kind
of
you
know
based
on
those
alternatives
you
carry
it
down.
Then
we
took
that
to
a
second
public
information
meeting
in
20,
late
2019
and
then
that's
where
we
showed
the
impacts
of
those
from
there.
C
We
go
back
and
we
developed
the
preferred
alternative
based
on
the
impacts
that
were
shown
at
that
meeting
and
base.
After
that's
done,
we
developed
the
environmental
assessment,
so
the
environmental
assessment
before
we
go
to
the
public
hearing
federal
highway
science,
environmental
assessment,
so
we
start
gathering
all
the
other
coordination
signatures.
We've
got
multiple
participating
agencies
that
the
federal
partners
participate
in
the
nepa
document,
which
basically
means
that
they
can
take
that
document
as
their
own
and
then
they
make
a
decision
based
on
that
document.
C
So
after
that
we
went
to
the
public
hearing
which
was
late
last
year.
I
think
it
was
september
of
last
year,
july
july
of
last
year
and
based
on
that,
we
got
comments
and
we
revised
it.
Based
on
some
of
the
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
town
mksk.
You
know
that
was
revised
to
when
we
had
the
the
third
public
information
meeting
which
was
held
in
march
so
based
on
that
we
have
another
public
information
being
displayed
to
the
public
where
we
were
finding
it
went
from
there.
C
So
now
it's
been
revised,
we're
looking
at
the
comments
and
revising
again,
if
there's
anything
that
needs
to
be
revised
for
it
from
an
impact
standpoint.
So
nepas
really
gives
you
the
box
to
work
within
you
get
a
general
idea,
you're
trying
to
find
a
box
working.
That
gives
you
the
impacts,
the
highest
level
impacts.
Then
you
refine
from
there
to
your
final
design.
So
if
you'll
look
at
and
we'll
show
the
the
preferred
alternative
started
off
with,
I
believe
40
acres
well
in
impacts.
C
It
ends
up
as
the
recommended
preferred
at
22
and
a
half.
So
all
that
was
reduced
down
so
and
then,
ultimately,
the
final
federal
highway
decision
is
the
is
a
far
finding
no
significant
impact
or
you
need
to
develop
an
environmental
assessment.
That's
that's
the
decision
that
they're
making
we're
working
through
the
fonzi
document.
Now
that
we
have
to
have
some
buy
in
locally
from
to
make
sure
before
they
sign
it.
They
want
to
make
sure
they're
all
working.
Everybody
locally
is
working
together
before
that
document
is
signed.
C
All
right,
so
a
federal
highway
decision
does
not
mean
it
can't
be
adjusted.
So
there's
refinement.
So
everything
at
this
point
is
20
to
30
design
plan.
So
it's
just
enough
basically
to
get
a
footprint
and
then
you
refine
it
from
there.
You
can
tighten
slopes
and
you
can
adjust
it.
We
can
move
the
multi-use
path,
we
can
move
things
around,
but
we
want
to
stay
within
our
right-of-way
footprint
that
we've
shown
as
part
of
that
alternative.
C
So
this
was
the
original
night
range
at
19
alternatives,
so
this
was
what
we
call
the
spaghetti
map.
So
this
is
where
we
go
and
we
look
at
everything
so
yeah
one
floor
too
far,
so
you
can
see
the
one
you
know.
One
of
the
alternatives
that
was
mentioned
in
the
proposal
from
senator
davis
was
one
that
ties
from
the
bluffton
parkway
to
near
where
the
toll
ramps
are
so
you
can
see
it's
like
the
light
brown
color
shows
that
alternative
roughly
shows
alternative.
C
It
comes
down,
it
crosses
over
the
intracoastal
waterway,
so
we've
got
to
be
perpendicular
and
then
it
comes
back
in
and
ties
in.
So
we
did
some
evaluation
this
this
week,
just
high
level
look
at
this,
and
that's
so
here:
here's
where
the
reasonable
turn.
So
we
went
from
19
to
nine,
so
you
can
see
everything
in
gray
was
eliminated
based
on
impacts,
and
there
is
a
matrix
on
the
website
that
shows
what
each
of
those
levels
are.
It's
going
to
be.
C
C
C
60
has
30
plus
relocations,
which
it
also
goes
through
the
spanish
walls
community.
It
would
split
the
community
again,
so
it
was
already
split
once
by
the
cross
island
parkway.
Making
this
connection
in
there
would
split
the
community
again
and
majority
of
those
relocations
are
within
the
spanish
walls.
Community.
C
Yes,
so
this
is
the
flow
chart
as
we
went
through
and
evaluated
the
alternatives,
so
the
initial
evaluation
criteria
going
from
19
to
nine
was,
did
it
meet
the
purpose
of
the
other
project?
The
purpose
of
the
project
was
to
replace
the
mackey
creek
bridge
and
then
reduce
congestion
through
the
corridor
was
the
gist
of
the
purpose
of
need,
and
then
you
know
so
personally
we're
just
looking
at
structural
efficiency.
C
At
this
point,
then
we
look
at
gis
based
wetlands,
protected,
acre,
protected
land,
right
away,
impacts,
compatibility
with
the
ping,
island,
u.s,
fish
wildlife
service
and
then
neighborhood
impacts.
So
from
that
there
was
a
clear
definition
of
of
those
19
down
to
the
nine
of
the
impacts
where
you
could
see
the
break
in
them.
So
then
the
next
evaluation
criteria
after
the
public
meeting
was
so.
You
have
the
purpose
and
need
traffic
performance,
which
is
level
of
service
and
intersection
operations.
C
Then
you
go
down
to
you,
know
delineated
wetlands.
We
actually
went
in
the
field
and
delineated
all
the
wetlands
we're
out
there
gps
surveyed
in
any
wetlands,
and
so
we
could
have
a
greater
accuracy
in
our
calculations,
threat
and
endangered
species
and
environmental
justice
communities
are
typically
minority.
Low-Income
communities.
C
C
C
So
then
again
we
got
the
u.s
fish,
wildlife
compatibility,
shellfish,
harvesting
waters
and
the
essential
fish
habitat
we're.
Looking.
You
know.
We
have
to
look
at
different
fish
species
if
there's
endangered
fish,
there's
essential
fish
habitat
through
out
there
that
need
protected
and
what
those
impacts
would
be
and
from
there
it
went
to
the
public
hearing
and
then
that's
where
the
rec,
the
recommended
preferred
alternative
was
then
we
carried
it
forward
and
modified
it
and
took
it
back
to
the
public
again.
C
So
again,
here
is
the
recommended.
The
modified
recommended
preferred
alternative,
which
includes
the
the
meander
through
stony,
includes
the
through
jenkins.
Sorry
through
jenkins,
the
intersections
the
change
that
intersects
with
square
pop
road
and
spanish
walls
road,
as
well
as
the
reduced
impacts
within
stony.
C
So
now
we
have
a
a
quick
discuss:
discussion
on
traffic
studies,
analysis
which
end
in
community
computer
computer
modeling.
So
hopefully
everybody
can
read
this.
So
what
we're
showing
here
the
so
when
we
look
at
two
different
ways,
we
look
at
it
through
synchro,
initially
and
then
sim
traffic
is
so
you're.
Looking
at
synchro
looks
at
it
in
the
end
segments
mile
long
segments
when
there's
not
intersection,
then
intersection
sim
traffic
looks
the
entire
corridor.
C
It
does
multiple
runs
to
the
quarter,
because
each
time
you
run
the
simulation,
you
can
get
a
little
bit
different
results.
So
in
this
in
the
am
so
this
is
all
2045
traffic
in
the
a.m.
In
the
eastbound
direction,
it
would
take
approximately
60
minutes
to
get
on
the
island
and
that's
from
moss
creek
to
spanish
wells
road
at
a
speed
of
10
miles
an
hour
under
the
modified,
reasonable,
preferred
alternative.
C
It's
14.1
minutes
at
24
miles
an
hour
for
a
time
savings
of
45
minutes
and
then
in
the
in
the
pm,
getting
off
you're
still
looking
at
in
the
eastbound
direction.
So
getting
back
on
the
island
in
the
pm,
you're
still
looking
at
30
minutes
at
13
miles
an
hour
and
then
under
the
modified
alternative,
you're
10
and
a
half
minutes
at
37
miles
an
hour
so
again
in
the
westbound
direction,
so
getting
off
the
island
in
the
a.m.
C
It's
no
built
scenario!
So
there's
no
improvements
with
2045
growth
traffic.
It's
24.3
minutes
in
the
in
the
morning
at
15
miles
an
hour
in
the
in
the
afternoon
or
sorry
in
the
morning
with
modified
referral,
turns
you're
at
8.8
minutes
minutes
at
41
miles
an
hour
with
with
a
savings
of
15
and
a
half
minutes.
C
So
in
the
pm,
no
build
is
basically
52
minutes
to
get
off
the
island.
So
again,
that's
getting
through
that
corridor
to
get
off
down
it's
52
minutes
under
the
modified
reasonable
for
alternative
you're
at
19.7
minutes,
which
is
a
time
savings
of
31.9
minutes.
So
again,
you've
doubled
your
speed.
It's
still
not
still
not
great,
but
you're.
Still,
you
know
much
improved
over.
What's
there
and
that's
you
know,
that's
again
growing
that
peak
hour
time,
so
this
is
all
based
on
peak
hour
traffic.
C
So
this
is
looking
at
the
pm
is
four
to
six
pm.
The
morning
is
seven
to
nine.
Am
so
that's
that's
the
traffic
that
we're
looking
at.
So
when
we
determine
what
those
hours
are
we
look
at.
We
rank
all
the
hours
throughout
the
year
and
you
try
to
find
something
between
the
70th
100th
highest
hour
of
the
year.
That's
not
a
special
event
or
a
weekend,
and
that
and
then
you
typically
take
that
as
your
what
your
peak
is
growing
off
of.
C
So
you
get
your
growth
rate,
and
then
you
grow
your
peak
based
on
that
again.
What
we're
looking
for.
I
think
we
end
up
at
the
131st
highest
hour
once
we
took
out
the
the
weekends
holiday
special
events,
we're
not
looking
for
the
heritage,
we're
not
looking
for
you
know
a
weekend
commute
because
we
don't
want
to
over
design.
C
If
you
look
at
those
events
you're
going
to
over
design
the
corridor,
we're
trying
to
find
something,
that's
going
to
meet
the
needs
for
a
majority
of
the
time
through
knowing
that
you're
going
to
exceed
this
so
you're,
going
to
exceed
your
capacity
at
some
point
throughout
the
project,
so
again
that
the
lower
right
on
the
screen
there.
That
green
is
basically
an
output
from
the
sim
traffic
model,
and
we
showed
all
this
as
part
of
the
public
hearing.
We
had
the
sim
traffic
models
that
we
ran
for
everybody
and
then
yeah.
C
So
the
next
discussion
I
am-
is
a
single
bridge
versus
two
bridge.
So
this
is
what
a
a
quick
sketch
of
what
we
looked
at
that
would
meet
the
the
curvature
and
the
needs
of
it.
So
this
gets
you
your
separation
from
the
bridge
there.
But
when
we
look
at
this,
we
have
three
points
that
we
have
to
meet
at.
That
brings
us
back
together
to
a
single
bridge.
That's
the
point
we
take
off
in
bluffton,
especially
across
piney
island.
We
have
there's
agreements
with
the
fish
and
wildlife
service
for
where
that's,
where
that's
going.
C
C
This
is
probably
closer
to
50
million
dollars
in
additional
cost,
because
you're
extending
the
bridge
by
putting
all
these
curves
in
it
probably
two
to
three
hundred
feet
so
you're
looking,
you
know:
10
20
million
dollars
of
additional
cost
in
there,
as
well
as
additional
design
costs
to
do
this,
because,
instead
of
being
able
to
replicate
parts
of
the
bridge
that
you've
you're
as
you're
designing
it,
each
individual
pier
is
designed.
So
instead
of
saying
we
have
10
peers
that
are
identical,
we
can
design
them
each
now.
C
You
end
up
with
each
individual,
pier
that
goes
across
there
as
a
single
design,
but
also
you're
right
into
the
difficulty
of
now
you're
skewing
the
bridge
piers
in
relation
to
the
water
travel,
and
when
you
try
to
get
across
there
with
a
boat,
you
have
difficulty
lining
your
peers
up.
So
again,
that's
just
some
of
the
things
we've
identified
when
we
looked
at
this
again.
This
is
a
quick
look
at
that.
We've
done
this
over
the
last
few
days
to
come
up
with
roughly
what
it
would
look
like.
C
One
thing
to
look
at
through
this:
you
create
additional
wetland,
impacts,
essential
fish,
habitat
residential
relocations,
recreational
and
right-of-way
impacts.
So
again,
when
we
go
back
and
we
look
at
we're
looking
for
the
least
environmentally
impact
alternative,
when
we
start
splitting
the
bridge
you're
increasing
your
environmental
impacts.
So
when
we
go
to
get
the
permit,
go
get
the
fog
these
fonzie
for
the
project,
they're
going
to
look
at
us
and
say
you
have
an
alternative,
that's
a
that's!
A
less
impactful
alternative!
Why
are
you
not
doing
that
alternative.
D
Some
thank
you
very
much
kim
for
putting
this
together
craig.
I
must
tell
you
that
you've
done
a
great
job.
Is
it
on?
Yes,
you've
done
a
great
job,
doing
the
public
services
and
the
public
meetings.
I
mean
you've
gone
out
of
your
way
to
meet
people
and
talk
to
people,
and
we
in
the
town
of
hilton
appreciate
it
was
well
received.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
interesting.
D
We
believe
that
if
you
disregard
the
cost
of
anything
that
those
items
as
we
send
them
forward
should
be
approved
by
the
county
and
sent
on
to
the
state,
so
if
doesn't
cost
the
county
any
money
to
approve
it,
why
not
just
approve
it,
send
it
to
the
state?
Let
the
state
turn
us
down
and
then
put
the
responsibility
back
on
the
talent
bill
and
have
to
look
for
the
money.
That's
needed
to
do
what
we
want
to
do.
D
There
shouldn't
be
any
differences
between
us
and
the
county,
we're
all
serving
the
same
public
and
we're
all
here
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
come
together
and
do
something
together
and
then
send
it
to
the
county
to
the
state
and
say
this
is
what
we
really
like
along
the
way:
the
two
bridge
concept.
There
is
interesting,
there's
just
too
much
going
on
at
one
time
for
me
to
grasp
it
all
in
one
piece.
D
It
looks
like
a
spaghetti
from
the
beginning,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
I
also
understand
that
one
of
the
concepts
on
the
important
part
of
the
two
bridges
is:
we
have
an
emergency
exit.
If
anything
is
down
with
one
bridge,
we
have
the
other
bridge
and
that's
most
important
to
me
more
than
what
it
looks
like,
but
we
need
that
second
bridge
somewhere
along
the
way
and
when
we
first
started
doing
is
people
from
sony
said?
Why
don't
you
build
a
separate
bridge,
someplace
else
for
a
backup?
D
Well,
this
was
a
good
alternative
to
putting
a
second
bridge
right
next
to
that.
So
the
important
part
for
me
is
the
safety
of
our
people
and
getting
them
off
to
off
the
island
if
one
of
the
bridges
go
down,
for
whatever
reason,
it
is
we're
very
appreciative
of
being
here
joe
today,
it's
a
good
discussion
and
I
hope
to
walk
away
with
some
results
between
the
county
and
the
town.
Thank
you,
joe.
A
E
E
I
agree
with
the
mayor
with
us
at
least
taking
a
breath
for
a
moment
and
thinking
through
this,
as
if
money
wasn't
an
option-
and
this
is
not
a
question
that
I
need
answered,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
came
up
with
the
original
estimate
as
far
as
what
we
were
submitting
to
sid
bank,
not
understanding
the
entire
impact
of
this
project.
Okay
and
again,
I'm
not
looking
for
an
answer
for
that,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
for
craig
if
he
could
answer
for
me.
E
E
So
that
wasn't
my
question.
My
question
was:
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
to
our
attention,
but
my
question
is
this:
is
this
is
not
the
first
project
that
scdot
has
brought
forward
to
the
federal
highway
administration
and
I'm
sure
there
has
been
projects
that
have
not
achieved
this
finding
of
no
significant
impact
okay
and
have
to
go
to
an
eis
or
have
to
be
adjusted
or
whatever
the
process
is
what
happens
to
the
monies
that
have
already
been
assigned
to
the
project?
At
that
point,
I
think
that.
B
That
would
be
a
county
question
versus
a
dot
question,
so
the
county
is
the
one
with
the
applicant
or
with
the
iga
with
the
sieb.
So
that
would
be
us
updating
them
on
the
status
of
the
project
and
then
it'd
be
us
coordinating
with
sieb
on
that
funding
solution.
So
if
they're
willing
to
continue
to
work
with
us
it
at
that
point.
If
it
goes
to
eis,
it's
another
12
to
18
months
worth
of
process.
B
So
then
we
have
to
coordinate
with
them
and
basically
it's
whether
we
can
work
something
out
with
the
sip
to
modify
our
agreement
because
we'll
be
extending
beyond
the
2028
completion
date
at
that
time
schedule,
and
if
we
can
great,
if
we
can't,
then
I'm
sure
there
may
be
other
counties
or
municipalities
that
will
be
eager
to
take
that
funding.
It
should
draw
that
money
back.
E
C
It's
kind
of
dependent
because
the
the
board
has
changed
their
direction
over
the
last
couple
years
and
I
would
say
in
the
history
of
it:
they've
left
stuff.
You
know
if
you
look
at
like
mark
clark
in
charleston
it
sat
around
for
20
years,
but
because
of
mark
clark
and
charleston,
I
don't
think
that's
ever
going
to
happen
again.
C
E
Okay
and
I'll
I'll,
just
I'll
just
end
with
I'm
glad
you
brought
those
those
charts
and
be
eager
to
get
our
hands
on
them,
so
we
can
look
at
them
a
little
deeper.
The
travel
time,
at
least
for
my
recollection
last
time
that
we
met
as
a
council
and
you
all
presented
us
with
numbers,
has
has
increased
tremendously.
I
thought
it
was
like
a
seven
minute
savings
now
we're
up
to
45
minutes:
okay,
that's
impressive,
but
without
what
I
would.
E
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
impacts
on
hilton
head
are
bigger
than
just
the
two
two
relocations
that
are
being
described.
Okay,
mr
fairleigh
mentioned
earlier
that
this
is
a
generational
project
and
it
absolutely
is,
and
we
need
to
be
certain
that
we
get
it
right.
Okay-
and
you
know,
I've
been
comparing
this
project
to
what's
happening
in
in
charleston
with
the
526
extension
and
scdot
state
has
gone
above
and
beyond,
to
achieve
reasonable
mitigation
for
the
project
and
to
date.
E
C
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
those
are
two
separate
projects,
so
the
environmental
process
on
526
found
ej
impacts
as
part
of
that
project.
This
project
does
not
have
the
same
level
of
impacts
that
that
project
has,
and
it
doesn't
have
they're
just
different
in
the
way
that
they're
developed,
they're
different
in
the
impacts
and
the
way
the
federal
highway
has
looked
at
those
impacts.
E
C
C
E
E
B
I
think
that's
a
worthwhile
endeavor
as
well
that
we
should
work
on,
and
I
would
I
would
say
also
that
whether
whether
the
town
of
hilton
head
takes
lead
in
that
or
whether
we
do
or
whether
we
do
that
jointly
in
some
manner,
I
think,
with
senator
david's
self.
I
think
that's
another
way
that
we
can
present
mitigation
as
part
of
this
project.
With
that
sony
development,
edc.
E
I
I
agree
with
you,
mr
felix,
and
it
goes
back
to
what
the
mayor
said.
In
the
beginning,
the
town
as
a
municipality
has
presented
26
recommendations
to
our
colleagues
and
we're
asking
for
you
to
say:
okay,
we
agree
with
your
26
and
give
them
to
the
state
and
get
a
response.
So
I
like
your
response,
but
we're
looking
for
a
response
from
scdot.
B
B
The
county
is,
is
the
owner
of
the
project
and
the
responses
are
a
choreographed
response.
So
what
we
provided
previously
in
the
responses
was
not
just
d.o.t,
it
was.
It
was
with
the
county
as
well
and
a
lot
of
those
responses,
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
them
and
sean
enumerated
them
and
we
listed
and
walked
through
them.
B
Last
time
we
met,
there's
been
a
lot
of
accommodations
to
those
there's
a
couple
of
them
and,
as
craig
mentioned
today
with
the
two
bridge
scenario,
that
has
a
lot
of
different
impacts
that
are
going
to
significantly
impact
everything
now
at
this
point
is
measured
to
the
preferred
modified
preferred
alternative
that
has
been
set
forth.
So
if
there's
impacts
to
a
change
beyond,
what's
been
presented
thus
far,
then
that
would
look
unfavorably
from
the
agencies
that
have
to
approve
the
project.
B
So
the
bar
has
been
set
with
the
preferred
alternative
and
now
the
modified
preferred
alternative,
and
that
was
something
that
was
looked
at
even
with
the
left-hand
turn
at
stoney.
Esquire
pope
is
originally
that
was
not
part
of
the
preferred
alternative
and
then
per
the
comments
from
the
town
and
mksk,
as
well
as
many
that
we
heard
at
the
public
hearing
that
was
reconsidered
and
coordinated
and
choreographed
with
federal
highway,
and
that
wasn't
a
simple
task
in
itself.
That
was
something
that
we
had
to
plan
on
and
how
do
we
mitigate?
B
The
traffic
is
a
little
bit
less
than
how
it
performed
in
the
preferred
alternative,
but
not
so
significant
that
the
impacts
weren't,
something
that
we
could
overcome
with
their
blessing.
So
those
there's
been
several
changes
and
modifications
that
were
incorporated
due
to
those
26
comments.
But
dot
is
not
the
entity
to
come
back
and
provide
a
answer
on
those
26
comments
that
would
come
from
the
county.
E
D
So
you're
saying-
and
this
should
have
been
a
town
project
from
the
very
beginning,
as
opposed
to
a
county
project-
that
the
town
should
have
started
this
project
and
ran
with
this
project
and
that
we
don't
know
better
what
we
need
the
county
knows
about
what
we
need,
that
we
what
we
need.
That's
a
mistake.
I
mean
this
is
coming
through
hilton
head.
It's
our
end,
its
way,
it's
all
home
and
no
one
should
be
telling
us.
What
we
want
is
wrong.
D
A
C
Aspect
of
that,
so
those
bridges
with
the
shoulders
that
are
on
the
one
on
the
bridge.
If
you
have
an
impact
to
that
branch
that
would
take
you
down,
have
an
axon
in
one
direction.
The
other
side
can
be
reversed
and
you
have
enough
to
get
two
lanes
in
each
direction
on
and
off
the
island
and
those
bridges
will
be
designed
for
any
sort
of
impact,
so
we're
looking
at
barge
level
impacts,
vessel
collision
impacts
on
those
piers
or
earthquakes.
Those
those
existing
bridges
right
now
aren't
designed
with
withstand
any
sort
of
earthquake.
D
A
A
We
have
an
opportunity
to
to
do
something
dynamic
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
part
and
parcel
of
the
design
as
we
go
through
that
corridor,
the
bridge
is
the
bridge.
You
know
it
has
to
go
a
certain
way
because
of
the
environmental
impacts
and
fish
and
wildlife
and
the
fact
that
we
we
have
to
design
it
in
such
a
way
that
the
boat
traffic
can
get
under
there.
All
of
that
is
to
me
rudimentary
once
once
we
have
an
agreement
yeah
we
want
to
do
the
project.
A
As
he
said,
the
bridge
is
going
to
be
designed
such
that.
If
something
happened
on
one
section
of
the
bridge,
you
have
the
other
section
of
the
bridge.
If
you
had
to
reverse
lanes
and
get
everybody
on,
you
know,
if
you
had
a
major
accident
that
tied
up
one
part
of
the
bridge,
you
could
route
the
traffic
and
and
make
it
go
both
ways.
So
I
I
think
we
could
come
to
that
agreement
that
we
don't
want
to
hold
up
the
project,
because
we
think
a
couple
hundred
yards
of
concrete
is
the
way
to
go.
A
You
know
we.
We
accepted
everything
except
for
the
bridge.
We
don't
feel
that
it's
necessary
to
expend
that
kind
of
money.
We
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
as
beneficial
as
everybody
thinks
it's
going
to
be
as
far
as
aesthetics,
that's
just
my
opinion
and
I
hope
everybody
else
will
weigh
in
that
way.
G
H
I
There
were
four
or
five
that
needed
more
fully
developed,
and
one
of
them
was
two
bridges
versus
one
and
based
on
craig's
comments
and
jared's
comments
and
the
visual
of
seeing
the
alternative
bridges.
I
I
think
the
visual
is
very
disturbing
and
we've
said
for
a
long
time.
The
postcard
is
not
supposed
to
be
the
bridge.
The
postcard
is
the
island,
and
I
want
to
make
certain
that
continues.
So
I
think
for
for
that
reason
I
do
support
the
recommended
recommendation
of
one
bridge.
I
I
A
I
Craig
as
I
look
back
to
the
most
recent
projects,
d.o.t
has
done
on
or
around
the
island.
The
most
recent
is
the
cross
island.
Excuse
me,
the
most
recent
is
the
flyover
and
then
20
years
ago,
the
cross
island.
In
my
opinion,
d.o.t,
is
two
for
two
and
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
the
combination
of
d.o.t,
kci
mksk
doesn't
have
the
best
interest
of
the
county
generally
and
specifically,
the
island
and
its
residents,
their
best
interest
in
mind.
So
I
think
you're
going
to
be
three
for
three.
B
Those
are
items
that
we
haven't
got
to
yet,
however,
and
they're
not
even
consultant
sub
consultants
under
kci,
but
we
have
an
opportunity,
as
we
negotiate
the
contract
with
d.o.t
and
kci,
to
go
to
full
design,
we're
only
under
contract
right
now
for
the
preliminary
design
of
nepa,
but
as
we
go
into
that
request
that
they
add
those
sub-consultants
or
services
to
their
contract.
So
we
could
have
a
landscape
plan
and
design
for
that.
B
We
may
not
have
the
funding
for
it
at
this
moment
and
we
can
figure
that
out,
but
we
can
design
it
as
well
as
a
potential,
aesthetic,
architect
or
planner
somebody
to
help
soften
the
bridge,
whether
you
put
railings
of
a
certain
manner
or
or
imprints
into
into
the
wall
sections
or
whatever.
That
may
look
like
somebody
to
help
choreograph
that
aesthetically
pleasing.
We
could
add
that
sub
consultant
and
do
those
designs
and
add
that,
as
part
of
the
project
design.
J
J
B
So
that
commitment
is
part
of
the
project
cost
as
it
is
today.
What's
not
included
is-
and
this
was
something
that
was
addressed
in
the
resolution-
that
council
passed
and
provided
the
county
council.
Our
town
council
is
that
3.1
million
dollars
may
or
may
not
include
all
the
enhancements
with
the
bulb
out
on
jenkins
island
or
additional
lanes
on
stoney
or
additional
enhancements
in
stony
area.
So
that
was
part
of
the
resolution.
Is
that
any
commitments
on
town
on
property
that
that
would
be
included
as
well?
So
that's
where
that
that
came.
B
Well,
offered
that
and
in
that
sub
application,
that
was
a
joint
application
and
there
was
also
a
letter
of
support
from
the
town
of
hilton
head
on
that.
So
it
wasn't
something
that
was
prepared
singly
by
the
county.
It
was.
It
was
a
joint
application
that
was
prepared
and
codified
by
all
that
presented,
and
I
believe
that
was
at
the
time
it
was
miss
jenkins
or
miss
jacobs
and
and
the
previous
city
manager
that
made
that
presentation
to.
J
What's
good
for
hilton
head
island
is
good
for
the
rest
of
the
county
and
for
the
state,
which
means
what's
good
for
our
residents
and
our
visitors
coming
on
to
hilton
head.
What's
good
for
them
is
good
for
everyone
and
I
think,
that's
being
lost
in
this
discussion.
We
talk
about
in
now
an
improved
level
of
service.
As
I
understand
the
information
this
evening,
I'm
very
interested
to
get
the
document
that
you
presented
not
having
seen
it.
J
J
It's
very
unfortunate
that
now
we're
under
at
the
12th
hour
under
pressure
that
this
is
so
urgent
that
we
might
lose
some
money
well,
when
it's
not
all
about
the
money,
it's
about
getting
it
right.
These
meetings
should
have
been
happening
all
along
because
the
county
is
part
of
town
of
hilton
head
and
the
responsibility
is
to
the
residents
who
live
on
hilton
head
and
the
tourists
and
the
visitors
to
become
our
residents
in
the
future
and
the
workers
who
we
enjoy.
Having
and
helping
us
on
the
island
so
far.
J
Through
this
project
I
don't
know
how
any
of
us
could
agree
to
it,
and
so
I
have
going
to
leave
it
at
that
for
right
now,
but
there's
better
there's
a
better
job
that
can
be
done
and
another
design
with
maybe
some
other
implications
for
two
bridges
needs
to
be
explored,
not
just
something
presented
to
us
tonight.
The.
C
C
Now,
when
we
look
at
two
bridges,
the
reason
that
you
have
additional
concrete
is
you
have
to
have
two
walls,
and
so
you
have
a
second
wall
that
you
add
to
it,
which
adds
a
foot
to
half
to
the
bridge
under
those
scenarios,
when
you
spread
those
bridges
out,
the
minimum
width
that
you
can
get
between
them
is
probably
between
20
and
50
feet,
somewhere
they're-
probably
closer
to
50
feet
because
of
the
seismic
considerations
of
it.
So
you
have
to
factor
in
that.
C
You
don't
want
those
bridges
interacting
with
each
other
under
under
a
scenario
for
an
earthquake
where
they
hit
each
other
because
they're
going
to
move
now.
If
you
have
a
single
bridge,
it's
all
going
to
move
together,
two
bridges:
they
couldn't
move
in
separate
where
they
hit
each
other.
So
when
you
look
at
it,
we
have
those
three
tie
points.
C
Those
tie
points
are
going
to
be
there,
so
you're
always
going
to
have
that
curvature
of
the
second
length,
because
you
have
to
have
the
it
together
at
pinky
and
again
at
the
time
points
where
you
come
together
so
p
pinging
is
your
tie
point
four.
Now,
if
you
spread
it,
if
you
push
it
apart
further
on
the
island
on
the
bluffton
side,
you
end
up
with
more
environmental
impacts
than
if
you
have
it
tight
there
and
coming
off
and
splitting.
So
under
those
scenarios,
you've
got
the
lanes
coming
together.
C
You'd
have
to
split
them
out,
so
you've
got
more
fill
and
wetlands.
So
when
we
look
at
this
fill
is
a
greater
impact
than
a
bridge
is
for
wetland
impacts.
So
we've
already
pulled
out
as
much
fill
as
we
can.
When
we
look
at
this,
like
we've
pulled
out
we're
pulling
all
the
fill
out
across
pineal,
that's
there
we're
pulling
phil
out
in
jenkins
island.
The
bridge
is
being
extended.
C
I
think
800
feet
onto
jinx
island
further
than
the
existing
bridges
to
help
with
that
to
open
up
that
that
flow
between
hog,
island
and
jenkins
island
to
open
all
that
back
up
from
from
a
hydraulic
standpoint
for
essential
fish,
habitat,
etc.
But
when
you
look
at
the
bridges
over
the
water,
if
you
go
to
two
bridges
versus
single
bridge,
you're
gonna
add
with
under
every
scenario,
and
then
you
have
where
your
impacts
are.
So
when
you,
when
you
build
the
so
we
have
to
consider
temporary
impacts
when
we
construct
the
bridges
under
temporary
impacts.
C
Your
impacts
are
longer
for
two
bridges,
because
you
have
to
build
your
work
trestle
multiple
times
under
a
single
bridge,
you're
building
one
work
trestle
to
build
it
and
it's
all
offline.
So
under
the
when
you're
looking
at
that,
you
can
build
that
single
bridge
significantly
faster
than
than
two
bricks.
So
two
bridges
you're
looking
at
five
years
construction
window,
a
single
bridge
is
three
years
and
you
don't
impact
the
traveling
public,
the
entire
time
it's
being
built
so
that
that's
a
benefit
for
the
residents.
C
When
you
look
at
the
traveling
public
coming
on
the
island
for
the
future,
there
is
a
single
bridge.
Now,
when
you
look
at
aesthetically
for
two
bridges,
you
split
them
apart.
All
you're
going
to
see
is
the
other
bridge
you're
not
going
to
see
the
waterway
like
you.
When
you
look
at
it,
you
actually
have
better
views
under
a
single
bridge
scenario.
So
when
that
bridge
comes
out,
it
goes
into
super
elevation,
so
you're
turning
it
as
you
turn
it.
C
Your
roadway
is
tipping
so
you're,
seeing
if
you're
looking
out
to
try
to
fly
the
water
you're
either
seeing
the
bridge
or
you're
seeing
the
sky,
and
then
you
know,
if
you
look
at
the
existing
bridge
now
the
railings
are
going
to
go
up
10
inches
higher
than
what's
on
the
existing
bridge
now
to
me
current
standards.
So
it's
44.
I
think
those
are
34..
C
So
under
those
scenarios,
like
your
views
and
those
type
of
things,
they're
changing
so
where
you
can
do
aesthetic
improvements
and
we've
had
these
conversations
with
both
town
town
and
the
county
is,
there
is
aesthetic
firms
that
help
with
the
bridge
railings
the
bridge
barrier.
Walls
where
they
come
in
and
that
that's
all
they
do
they
do,
they
can
do
piers,
they
can
do
anything
and
they
do
form
waters.
They
come
up
with
something
that
fits
in
with
the
character
of
the
island.
C
We
started
having
those
conversations
with
town
staff
members
two
years
ago
about
aesthetics
on
the
bridge.
So
those
conversations
you
know
where,
initially
because
the
firm
reached
out
to
us,
we
would
take
the
academy.
Then
we
took
it
to
the
town
council
between
the
town
staff,
so
everybody
knew,
I
think
they
made
a
presentation
to
both
county
council
and
town
council
on
the
benefits
of
aesthetics.
C
So
that's
like
what
jar
is
talking
about
is
like
you
can
do
things
to
improve
the
aesthetics
of
the
bridge
separating
into
two
bridges,
isn't
going
to
improve
the
aesthetics
of
the
bridge
from
the
from
a
viewpoint
and
it's
going
to
create
additional
concrete,
because
when
you
look
at
it,
you
have
two
sets
of
two
sets
of
bridges.
Two
sets
of
foundations,
two
sets
of
beams
so
you're,
doubling
everything
up
which
increases
the
cost.
It
increases
the
impacts
of
the
project.
J
J
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
aren't
being
taken
into
consideration
that
will
have
the
detrimental
impacts
that
will
still,
even
with
your
explanation,
outweigh
any
value
added
for
the
town
of
hilton,
head
residents,
visitors
and
our
workers.
So
thank
you
for
the
information.
The
conversation
is
good.
I
know
it'll
get
continued,
but
I
do
ask
that
we
slow
this
down.
J
K
Thank
you,
glenn
stanford,
town
of
hilton,
head
island.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
our
friends
from
d.o.t
and
the
engineering
staff
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
jared's
presentation
and
yours,
joe,
and
I
think
it
is
very
healthy
that
we
get
these
two
groups
of
representatives
together
on
this
issue
and
many
other
issues
that
will
come
before
us
from
time
to
time.
So
this
is
healthy.
I
hope
we're
starting
a
trend
here.
K
K
So
I
just
cannot
understand
from
a
general
citizen's
point
of
view
how
one
bridge
is
safer
or
is
as
safe
as
two.
I
heard
what
you
said
craig
about
it's
going
to
be
designed
to
accept
impacts,
but
we
see
structures
fail
all
the
time,
and
so
I'm
not
convinced
of
that
in
the
slightest
we
have
about
forty
thousand
full-time
residents
on
this
island.
K
Then
we
have
another
two
and
a
half
million
people
that
come
in
and
visit
us
more
now.
I
think
as
much
as
three
million
every
year,
if
one
of,
if
the
bridge
is
taken
out,
we
have
a
major
catastrophe
for
this
country
and
certainly
for
this
county
and
this
town,
and
so
I
am
just
simply
not
convinced
of
that
it
is
just
as
safe.
K
It
does
not
make
any
sense
to
me
that
it
is
stated
that
way,
and
then
I
have
one
little
comment
and
that
is,
I
don't
know,
we've
gotten
a
response
back
on
one
breakdown
lane
versus
two
breakdown
lanes,
it's
one
of
the
26
points,
and
maybe
I've
heard
maybe
I've
missed
it.
But
I
haven't
heard
a
response
on
that.
That's
a
not
a
major
issue.
K
This
safety
aspect
as
having
at
least
equal,
if
not
greater
power
and
meaning
than
environmental
impacts,
and
some
of
these
other
factors
that
have
been
mentioned.
So
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
a
few
words
here.
I've
stated
how
I
feel
about
this.
I
would
like
to
see
us
can
reconsider
this
and
understand
what
those
impacts
are.
Thank
you.
L
The
thing
that
I
find
interesting
about
it
is,
it
doesn't
quite
seem,
like
you
guys,
agree
either
you
have
one
individual
saying
he
wants
to
preserve
the
heritage
of
hilton
head
and
is
worried
about
the
impacts
of
it,
and
then
we
have
other
people
that
are
saying.
Let's
talk
about
a
second
bridge
which
is
going
to
create
more
impacts
to
those
specific
areas
he's
even
talking
about
over
here
jared.
B
L
We're
five
years
in
working
on
our
fifth
year.
I
use
this
phrase
in
county
meetings
all
the
time
I
don't
plan
on
doing
this
job
forever.
I
don't
think
I
should
do
this
job
forever.
I
think
different
people
should
take
our
seats
at
some
point,
but
this
project
has
been
kicked.
Can
the
can's
been
kicked
down
the
road
long
enough?
I
don't
agree
with
two
bridges.
I'll
be
honest
with
you
guys.
I
don't.
I
grew
up
here
in
hilton
head,
I've
been
in
the
traffic
I've
been
on
the
wrecks.
L
I
actually
worked
on
hilton
head.
While
I
went
when
I
drove
to
bluffton
to
teach
for
three
years,
and
unless
there
was
a
wreck
honestly,
I
lived
in
the
bluffton.
Parkway
never
took
me
even
longer
than
30
minutes
to
get
there
from
the
bluffton
parkway
up
through
the
bridge
to
get
to
school
in
the
morning
to
work.
L
L
L
L
This
project
has
skyrocketed
and
nobody
in
the
state
or
at
the
federal
level
is
going
to
be
able
to
tell
us
when
that's
going
to
stop,
but
we
do
know
the
longer.
We
wait
the
worst
situation
we're
in.
We
have
a
bridge,
that's
not
up
to
code.
I
want
to
talk
about
disasters
that
could
happen.
It's
not
up
to
code.
Now,
it's
not
safe
for
an
earthquake.
Correct
me
wrong.
L
I
think
it's
safe
for
a
category
three
hurricane
right
currently
right
now
we're
at
a
category
three
and
the
next
one's
supposed
to
be
four
or
five
correct.
So
right
now
category
three
you're
worried
about
hilton
head.
You
only
have
a
way
to
get
to
hilton
head
because
we're
dragging
our
feet.
We
could
have
already
had
this
bridge
if
we
were
on
timeline
getting
ready
to
start.
L
So
with
that
being
said,
I
know
that's
our
biggest
disagreement,
there's
a
lot
of
things
on
the
island
that
you
guys
know
better
than
I
do
and
trust
me.
I
have
the
same
argument
with
people
on
council
and
bluffton.
If
I
hear
one
more
thing
about
5b
I'ma
lose
my
mind:
it's
a
road
that
still
goes
to
nowhere.
I
hear
it
all
the
time,
but
we're
still
funneling
everything
back
to
the
same
place.
That's
right
on
46
or
right
on
a
278.
L
L
I
just
think
that's
the
route
we
need
to
go.
I
know
we
have
a
deadline
actually
coming
on
monday
for
a
vote
to
extend
this
process.
I
was
actually
the
one
that
moved
it
to
buy.
Two
more
weeks,
I
made
the
motion
to
even
have
the
conversation.
I
think
it's
healthy,
but
if
the
only
thing
that's
holding
us
up
is
the
second
bridge,
I
can
tell
you,
I
won't
be
on
board
with
it.
We
we
have
taken
long
enough
on
this
project.
L
I
won't
even
be
here
when
this
project's
done
more
than
likely
and
a
lot
of
us
won't
be,
but
at
some
point
we
have
to
get
the
ball
rolling
and
have
to
get
this
job
going
because
the
moment
that's
going
to
happen,
we're
going
to
leave
this
seat
and
somebody's
going
to
be
in
this
room
having
the
same
dang
discussions
we're
having
right
now
and
doing
the
same
process
over
again,
because
somebody
else
left
miss
jacobs
left.
Here
we
are
again
other
people
in
your
town,
town,
council
left
here
we
are
again.
L
Mr
orlando's
knew
we
had
questions
for
him
here
we
are
again
at
some
point.
We
have
to
say
no
situation
is
going
to
make
everybody
happen
happy.
It
is
physically
impossible.
Somebody
will
always
be
unhappy,
but
we
have
to
start
somewhere
and
make
the
best
project
we
possibly
can
with
the
options
and
availability
that
we
have.
A
L
L
G
Stu
rodman
county
council.
Let
me
start
with
the
cost.
We're
all
understand
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
inflation.
You
also.
I
know
that
when
construction
costs
tend
to
rise
faster
than
consumer
price
index
back
of
the
envelope,
I
looked
at
the
time
period
and
just
made
a
couple
assumptions
of
what
kind
of
interest
we
might
be
seeing
and
penciled
it
out,
and
people
could
look
at
it
differently.
G
If
you
pencil
it
out
for
another
couple
months
and
divide
by
the
number
of
months
you
get
back
to
the
four
million
a
month
or
the
million
dollars
a
week.
I
think,
frankly,
that's
where
that's
where
we
are,
and
if
you
look
at
where
we're
going
to
get
the
money
the
referendum's
over,
that's
a
fixed
amount
of
money.
We
got
the
sip
money
is
fixed,
so
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
places
where
we're
going
to
get
the
money
there's
places
to
go,
get
it.
But
it's
it's
an
uphill
task
for
us.
G
So
the
longer
we
delay
the
more
costly
it's
going
to
be
of
the
26
items.
I
think
my
sense
of
counsel
is
our
council.
Is
that
there's
no
disagreement
with
any
of
them
other
than
the
the
one
for
the
bridge?
Now
that,
having
said
that,
I
I
think,
there's
a
point
to
be
made,
which
is
we're
going
through
the
so-called
nepa
process.
G
So
there
may
be
things
that
can
be
revisited
that
might
er
help
with
cost
so
other
than,
and
I
think
we
can
do
both
of
those.
I
think
we
can
agree
that
there's
a
way
to
do
the
arrival
experience.
I
think
we
can
agree
that
there's
a
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
still
make
some
value
engineering
improvements
to
the
thing,
and
so,
with
the
exception
of
the
bridge,
I
think
our
council
is
totally
on
board
with
the
recommendations
that
have
been
suggested.
G
I
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
safety
piece,
I'm
not
risk
adverse
and
as
the
longer
we
wait,
the
higher
the
cost
is
going
to
be
so
seems
to
me
where
we
are
is
that
we
need
to
move
forward
whether
we
do
a
resolution
and
you
do
a
resolution
or
we
do.
A
joint
resolution
seems
to
me
we're
better
off
to
get
on
with
that.
G
As
quick
as
we
can
to
delay
something
for
months
and
months,
I
think
we
really
put
the
entire
project
at
risk
to
the
point
that
there's
45
other
counties
out
there
begging
for
money
from
the
sieve
and
at
some
point
in
time
they
would
lose
interest
in
us.
So
I
think
it's
a
very
high
risk
to
not
move
forward.
There's
two
issues
on
the
table
that
I
saw
in
our
resolution.
G
G
But
if
you're
not
going
to
provide
the
land,
then
you
ought
to
tell
us
and
tell
the
project
before
we
spend
any
any
more
dollars
on
design
and
the
other
is
the
the
consent,
and
I
think,
as
you
pointed
out,
the
chairman
pointed
out.
You
know
a
bridge
across
a
federal
highway
across
the
intercoastal
waterway.
The
feds
are
going
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
within
reason.
G
They're
going
to
listen
to
us
and
then
so
that
really
comes
down
to
the
municipal
consent
through
stony,
but
if
we
can
agree
on
a
path
forward
on
looking
at
the
aesthetics
and
know
that
there's
a
path
forward
on
tweaking
things
through
the
value
engineering,
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
can't
agree
now
not
to
have
it
in
the
very
near
future.
Maybe
you've
got
to
take
a
vote,
but
let's
get
all
those
things
behind
us.
G
M
In
my
past
life,
I
worked
on
four
environmental
impact
statements.
I
think
jared's
being
very,
very
generous
by
saying
12
to
18
months.
All
of
those
took
a
minimum
of
two
years.
That's
my
concern.
If
we
add,
if
we
go
to
the
two
bridges
and
we
and
we
don't
get
the
fonzie,
we're
going
to
be
doing
an
environmental
impact
statement
and
we're
going
to
add
two
years
to
this
project,
that's
my
biggest
concern.
Thank
you.
N
N
So
it
seems
that
we're
down
to
the
one
bridge
versus
the
two
bridge
and,
based
on
what
I
saw
here,
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
any
sense
to
go
with
two
bridges.
I
understand
the
safety
aspect
of
it,
and
obviously
safety
is
number
one
with
anything
that
we
do,
but
I'm
struggling
to
understand
what
would
have
to
happen
under
a
two
bridge
scenario
for
for
one
bridge
to
go
down
or
even
if
we
just
had
a
single
bridge
for
one
bridge
to
go
down.
N
If
we're,
if
we're
designing
it
for
a
cat5
hurricane,
if
we're
designing
it
for
a
barge
for
designing
it
for
an
earthquake,
it
seems
to
me
that
the
scenarios
where
one
bridge
would
go
down
they'd,
probably
both
go
down
and
we'd,
have
bigger
problems.
That's
just
where
I'm
sitting
to
mr
robin's
point
about
the
cost
that
that's
a
concern
for
me
as
well.
N
It's
been
a
concern
for
forever
since
I've
been
on
council,
it's
getting
wildly
expensive
by
the
day,
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
long
and
hard
about
how
we're
gonna
finance
it.
If
we're
gonna
continue
to
kick
the
can
down
the
road.
So
those
are
my
comments
and
again,
I
appreciate
the
time-
and
I
appreciate
this
meeting.
P
P
P
I
support
the
one
bridge
because
it
has
less
impact
on
community,
particularly
the
stony
community.
But
I
do
would
ask
this
body
here
of
of
councils
to
to
consider
stony
community,
historically
bridges.
Roads
infrastructure
have
impact
african-american
communities
all
over
the
united
states.
So
that's
history
and
nothing
has
really
been
done
to
help
those
communities,
so
whatever
we
can
do
from
the
state
level
federal
level,
county
level
municipality,
let's
do
the
right
thing
for
the
stony
community
by
helping
them
economically.
P
That's
the
bottom
line
for
me,
how
do
you
advance
yourself
economically
and
if
we
can
show
it
an
example
of
that?
I
think
that's
the
best
thing
we
can
do
for
the
stony
community
at
this
time
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
make
that
commitment
to
do
what
we
can
for
that
community,
because
it's
going
to
be
impact
drastically.
So
yeah,
that's
my
only
comment.
I
will
make
sir.
O
I'll
I'll
make
my
comments
brief.
I'm
saddened
that
we
are
at
an
impasse
at
this
hour
in
the
process,
and
now
it
just
encourages
all
from
both
counties.
I
mean
the
municipality
and
the
county
to
let's,
let's
resolve
this
as
quickly
as
possible
and
let's
get
on
with
the
process
before
the
current
bridges
collapse.
O
A
A
A
Our
current
bridges
have
failed,
so
the
sooner
we
get
it
replaced
the
better
off.
We
are
tammy
over
the
course
of
the
past
two
years
you
have
seen.
We
have
had
multiple
discussions
about
where
we
can
put
the
bridges,
but
they
all
go
across
jenkins
island,
that's
the
pinch
point
and
because
of
that
they
kept
narrowing
it
down
what
was
the
least
impact
getting
across
that
onto
the
island.
A
A
A
Q
Well,
outside
of
the
town
council
recommendations,
you
know
as
the
town
manager
or
first
of
all,
mark
orlando
town
of
hilton,
head
island,
town
manager,
and
I-
and
I
too
want
to
say
thank
you
to
craigs
and
across
from
me,
I'm
been
watching
your
face
and
reading
how
much
you're
absorbing
this
in
the
room-
and
I
appreciate
that
I
just
want
you
to
know
from
us
to
you.
We
appreciate
you.
Q
Q
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
impacts.
I
think
that's
more
from
from
my
and
I
think
that's
my
questions
with
eric
offline
and
maybe
tomorrow,
but
you
know
I
know
things
are
important
and
we
received
a
collective
response
from
beaufort
county
from
from
eric
and
from
d.o.t,
but
it
said
yes,
these
things
are
important
to
us,
but
you
go
ahead
and
pay
for
them
right
if
it's
a
pathway
off
the
head
or
curb
great.
Q
We
love
that
that's
a
great
idea,
thanks
to
mksk
good
design
solution,
you
pay
for
them
mitigation,
linear
park,
gulligici
mitigation
preservation,
storytelling
other
than
a
pavilion
good
idea.
You
pay
for
it,
but
I'm
hearing
different
tonight.
So
I
think
I
just
need
to
package
back
up
the
response
letter
and
make
sure
that
we're
understanding
the
response
letter
to
the
degree
that
sir
you're
speaking
and
maybe
come
back
to
the
drawing
board.
Q
A
L
Briefly,
one
thing
I
left
off
everyone
in
this
room
so
far
I've
heard
has
agreed
the
fact
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
hilton
head
is
taken
care
of
and
hilton
head,
thrives
off,
hospitality
and
tourism,
and
that's
because
of
our
waterways
and
the
different
things
that
we
can
offer
in
our
culture.
Food
dolphin
tours
kayak
tours
and
one
of
the
big
things
we're
leaving
out
when
we
talk
about
two
bridges
is
the
impacts
that
can
have
on
to
fusky
and
hear
me
out
before
you
look
at
me,
like
I'm
crazy.
L
If
we're
gonna
go
two
bridges,
that's
gonna
take
up
more
room
on
pinkney
island,
but
pinkney
island
gives
us
an
opportunity
in
the
future
to
possibly
get
early
access
to
fussy
which
gets
traffic
off
hilton
head
that
you
guys
don't
want
there
first
off.
I
know
you
all
don't
want
that
growing
anymore
and
two.
L
It
also
gives
us
an
opportunity
for
our
school
district
to
maybe
do
the
discovery
zone
down
there,
that
our
tourists
can
come
down
there
and
do
our
schools
in
beaufort
county
can
go
down
there
and
enjoy
at
the
same
time
as
being
the
hub
for
the
shuttle
ford
of
husky,
because
there's
only
so
many
days
you
can
go
to
the
beach
there's
only
so
many
days
you
can
go
ziplining,
it's
only
so
many
days.
You
want
to
go
to
the
bowling
alley.
L
More
opportunities
to
do
things
in
beaufort
county
will
bring
more
tourism
and
hospitality
down
here
in
those
months
that
we're
prepared
for
it,
and
I
think
that
if
we
do
go,
two
bridges
you're
in
danger
of
ruining
that
opportunity
right
there
on
pinkney
island
to
get
direct
access
to
fusky
island.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
C
C
So
we
start
with
the
latch
regional
transportation
model,
which
is
a
county-wide.
It
includes
jasper,
county,
hampton
county
or
hampton
beaufort
and
carlton
county,
so
it's
a
four-county
wide
model
and
it's
developed
for
the
entire
area.
So
it's
looking
at
traffic
projections
based
on
where
our
traffic's
being
generated
from
so
it's
looking
at
receivers,
generators
and
receivers.
So
it's
taking
we're
looking
at
that.
C
So
first
thing
we
do
is
we
go
through
and
we
look
at
the
model
as
as
a
whole,
and
we
look
at
well,
we
dot
has
counters
throughout
so
we're
looking
at
it.
Well.
Is
it
projected?
What's
the
existing
traffic
level
versus
what
the
projected
traffic
level
is?
Are
we
exceeding
to
adjust
the
model?
Has
there
been
projects
that
have
been
completed,
that
weren't
included
in
the
model
or
development
that
showed
up?
That's
not
included
in
the
model?
C
So
we
drill
that
down
and
that
gets
to
the
the
growth
rate
for
the
corridor
and
looking
at
that,
so
that
growth
rate
and
what
we
were
looking
at
for
278
included
the
removal
of
the
cross
island
parkway,
because
we
knew
that
toll
was
coming
off
before
this
project
was
going
to
be
completed
for
construction,
so
that
tool
has
never
all
of
our
traffic
analysis.
That
tool
has
been
off
there
so
and
then
we
go
down
and
we
go
to.
C
We
count
count
the
signals
we're
looking
at.
We
have
basically
every
hour
throughout
the
year,
so
we
look
at
that.
We
find
the
100
so
between
700,
again
finding
that
peak
hour.
So
we're
looking
for
one
hour
in
that
range
that
meets
our
criteria.
That's
not
a
weekend,
not
a
special
event,
not
a
holiday
somewhere
in
that
range.
That
means
typically,
we
look
at
tuesday,
wednesday
and
thursdays,
and
typically,
I
think
it
was
a
tuesday
in
april-
is
roughly
when
we
picked
for
that.
So
that's
through
there.
C
C
So
the
first
thing
we
looked
at
from
a
modeling
standpoint
was
four
versus
six
lanes,
so
highway
capacity
typically
is
roughly
1500
vehicles
per
lane
per
hour
in
the
peak
hour
is
what
you're
looking
at
for
a
capacity
hilton
heads
exceeding
that
are
very
close
to
exceeding
two
lanes.
Now
it's
it's
barely
you
know
by
2024
2025
somewhere
in
that
range
and
any
sort
of
growth
you're
exceeding
the
four
lanes.
That's
where
the
six
lanes
came
from.
O
C
We're
taking
those
counts
and
the
growing
those
counts
based
on
the
growth
rate,
to
know
what
the
future
is.
Then
we
put
any
other
improvements
that
are
part
of
lats
in
there
and
that
that
kind
of
gives
us
the
flow
of
it.
So
then,
when
we
started
modeling
it
we
modeled
basically
from
the
other
side
of
spanish
wells
and
the
other
side
of
mosh
creek,
so
on
the
ends
that
is
free
flow
traffic
in
so
that's
that's
unmitigated
traffic
through
the
corridor
as
if
the
signal
was
not
at
gumtree.
C
So
it's
basically
saying
that
that's
unmanned
unmitigated,
all
that
traffic
that's
coming
through
there
and
the
peak
hour
is
coming
through.
It's
not
that
traffic
signal
gum
tree
is
not
holding
you
in
that
traffic,
because
that
gives
us
our
worst
case
scenario
through
our
corridor
is
we
have
free
flow
traffic
on
each
end
coming
into
it,
so
the
cross
line
all
that
traffic
coming
from
there
is
flowing
into
the
model
and
that
models
through
the
corridor.
So
it's
it's
basically
from
between.
C
I
would
say
it's
between
the
cross
island,
merge
and
spanish
walls
is
where
it
starts
at
and
there
you
go.
Then
it
goes
to
moss
creek
on
the
other
side,
so
all
that
traffic
and
it's
it's
the
edges
of
a
model.
So
you
know
we
didn't
count
gumtree,
we
didn't
count
across
island,
but
we
did
do
gut
chats
on
those
to
make
sure
that
where
they
were
going
to
we've
done
gut
checks
on
the
distribution
of
you
know.
I
know
that
the
town
has
gone
out
there
and
counted
us.
C
Grown
where
everybody
thought
it
was
going
to
grow
to
it
only
you
know
10
growth
or
something.
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
the
split
is
anymore,
but
it
wasn't
worth
it
was
getting
up
to
60
percent
60
40,
where
that
was
closer
to
50,
50
and
more
more
I'll
pit,
the
business
so
in
that
it
basically
matched
up
with
the
model
projections
were
under
that
so
under
that
modeling
going
back
to
that
is
you're
looking
at
each
car
is
looking
to
find
you
know
a
pathway
through
there.
C
I
think
you
would
make
it
we
would
be
able
to
carry
them
all
further.
It
would
carry
them
all
further
out
to
those,
but
we'd
have
to
go
count.
Those
and
grow
them
the
same
way
and
adjust
them
for
that,
but
those
adaptive
signals.
So
what
you
know
we're
we're
looking
at
single
timers,
so
we've
optimized
the
signal
timing
just
based
on
the
traffic.
That's
there.
It
doesn't
include
adaptive
signals.
O
B
But
mark
to
also
answer
your
question
so
as
far
as
the
end
point
they're
not
taking
it
all
the
way
to
see
pine
circle,
but
that
is
something
that
could
be
done
in
another
project
and
could
coordinate
that
there
has
and,
as
senator
davis
mentioned,
there
has
been
some
signal
improvements
already
on
278.
So
in
2018
2019,
all
the
mainland
signals
14
signals
from
from
170
all
the
way
to
moss
creek
were
updated
with
adaptive
technologies
and
interconnected,
and
then
in
2020
2019.
B
There
was
some
improvements
for
the
first
seven
signals
on
mainland
our
own
hilton
head,
proper,
not
adaptive,
but
some
timing
and
reconstruction.
So
there's
been
some
signal
improvements
along
the
corridor
over
the
previous
years,
so
the
adaptive
technology
will
be
incorporated
into
the
three
signals
that
are
part
of
the
project,
so
the
squire
poke
or
the
windmill
harbor,
squire
and
spanish
wells,
but
the
continuation
beyond
that
would
would
complement
what
you
have
conceived
and
planned
in
the
budget
that
you
just
mentioned.
Thank.
Q
F
F
I
have
a
high
esteem
and
respect
for
your
city
manager.
I
have
a
high
esteem
and
respect
for
sean.
I've
worked
with
him
on
this
project
and
the
st
james
church
project,
so
you
all
are
blessed
to
have
the
talent
that
you
have
there
to
the
county
council
representatives.
I
would
say
that
we
have
talent
in
jared
fralix
and
the
team
that
has
been
assembled
to
deal
with
this
corridor
project
and
craig
and
phil
and
eric-
and
I
don't
know
the
other
of
folks
names.
F
F
This
is
just
the
beginning
of
that:
we're
at
30
percent
design
right
now
or
we're
going
to
have
30
design.
So
it's
somebody
said
earlier:
it's
like
bacon
and
cake,
we're
just
mixing
the
batter
right
now
we
can't
tell
you
what
the
cake's
gonna
ultimately
look
like
at
this
point,
but
we
don't
really
need
to
do
so.
In
my
28
year,
career
in
local
government,
I've
often
said
that
most
of
the
problems
that
we
deal
with
aren't
really
problems
at
all.
F
F
Know
that
mr
orlando
and
I
are
working
together,
even
though
the
mayor
has
to
send
letters
on
his
behalf,
because
I
didn't
respond
to
an
impact
fee
email
in
an
untimely
manner
but
anyway,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
working
relationship
that
I
have
with
mark
and
and
the
our
ability
to
joke
with
each
other
and
things
like
that.
So
that's!
That's
all
my
comments.
A
So
final
comments,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
discussed
by
senator
davis,
was
an
independent
study
which
has
been
reviewed
as
to
how
long
it
would
take.
He
thought
it
was
going
to
take
60
days
and
maybe
cost
250
000
after
he
met
with
scdot
and
secretary
hall
and
discussed
the
parameters
of
what
he
was
looking
for.
They.
They
then
turned
over
to
the
experts
to
find
out
that
we
could
do
it.
We
don't
have
to
have
an
independent
contractor.
A
We've
already
started
all
of
the
things
that
were
there.
If
we
brought
in
an
independent
contractor,
it's
almost
like
starting
over,
it
wouldn't
be
250
000,
it's
more
along
the
line
of
a
million
or
a
million
half,
and
it
would
take
nine
months.
So
we
can't
do
that
and,
as
far
as
you
said,
we're
looking
at
every
avenue
we
can
to
get
this
paid
for
by
somebody
other
than
the
taxpayers
of
beaufort
county.
A
A
I
think
it's
in
our
best
interest
for
you
to
agree
that
we
should
move
on
so
that
we
can
get
the
design
that
we
need
to
satisfy
all
the
things
that
you
desire
of
that
experience
getting
to
hillton
island.
So
if
there
is
no
further
comments,
I
want
to
thank
you.
This
is
not
the
end
again.
This
is
just
another
step.