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SOUTHERN LOWCOUNTRY REGIONAL BOARD MEETING - August 23, 2023 at 10 AM
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A
B
I,
just
I
think
it's
a
privilege
to
to
be
here
to
talk
about
this
process,
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
briefly
go
over
I
think
that
this
came
about.
Maybe
earlier
this
year
there's
been
Talk
Amongst,
so
loco
about
the
importance
of
doing
some
joint
planning
work
and
having
a
agreed
upon
growth
framework
and
growth
boundaries.
Especially
you
know.
We
have
certain
areas
where
we
have
multiple
jurisdictions.
That
overlap.
B
B
The
first
thing
we
did,
we
just
I
mean
we.
We
came
up
with
a
mission
statement
for
the
purpose
of
you
know.
What
is
it
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
out
of
this,
and
so
we
came
up
with
this
kind
of
straightforward
to
define
a
shared
future
growth,
conservation
and
land
use
framework
for
the
soloco
region,
while
recognizing
the
unique
qualities
of
each
local
jurisdiction
and
this
approach.
B
We
think
that
would
benefit
the
region.
I
mean
I
think
that
we
all
know
that
people
who
who
have
who
live
in
Beaufort,
County
and
in
Jasper
County
this
region,
who've
moved
here.
They
don't
necessarily
pay
the
attention
to
jurisdictional
boundaries,
but
they're
definitely
impacted
by
such
things
as
traffic
storm
water,
runoff,
and
so
they
I
believe
that
this
is
something
that
really
benefits
the
region
and
the
people
who
live
here
by
having
a
unified,
shared
approach
and
be
able
to
kind
of
problem
solve
together.
B
So
the
advantage
of
this
approach
would
be
you
know,
once
you
know,
unified,
proactive
Vision.
If
we
can
kind
of
get
ahead
of
growth
or
get
ahead
of
infrastructure
needs
or
Community
facility
needs,
then
you
know
that
is
a
plus
I
mean
as
far
as
I'm,
not
you
know
criticizing
our
region,
but
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
doing
you
know
for
the
last
30
years
has
been
catching
up
or
reacting
to
growth
in
the
impacts
of
growth
policy
Direction
on
land
use
decisions.
B
You
know
when
each
of
the
local
jurisdiction,
where
we're
considering
a
rezoning
or
a
annexation,
providing
a
little
more
guidance
on
on
how
that
individual
local
decision
fits
into
a
broader
Regional
framework
and
then,
once
again
you
know,
there's
the
growth
side
and
there's
also
the
preservation
side.
So
if
we're
able
to
agree
as
a
region,
these
are
areas
we
want
to
preserve.
These
are
types
of
Natural,
Resources
or
features
we
want
to
preserve.
Once
again,
you
know
that
really
benefits
the
region
and
not
only
from
a
conservation
zoning.
B
You
know
or
regulatory
standpoint,
but
also
being
proactive.
You
know
the
county
has
is,
is
its
Green
Space
Program
is
is
getting
up
and
running,
and
so
now
we
have
tools
to
step
in
if
there's
really
opportunities
for
preservation
or
or
land
that
we
want
to
conserve.
You
know
we
have
more
tools
to
use,
in
that
case
the
components
of
a
shared
vision.
B
When
we
looked
at
this-
and
you
know,
I
was
involved
closely
15
years
ago,
when
the
county,
the
town
of
Port
Royal
and
the
City
of
Beaufort
did
the
Northern
Regional
plan,
and
really
we
saw
that
as
a
model
for
how
to
work
cooperatively
in
within
the
South
Carolina.
You
know
the
within
the
framework
that
the
state
gives
us.
B
This
is
not
zoning.
You
know
where
you're
getting
down
to
the
detail
of.
Oh,
you
know
it
this
much
residential,
this
much
density,
this
much
commercial.
This
is
more
saying
this
is
an
area
we
anticipate
for
being
low
density,
residential
with
small
commercial
at
intersections.
You
know
something
like
that.
That
provides
some
framework
and
the
idea
there
is
that
if
we're
we're,
you
know-
and
we
would
start
with
looking
at
our
comprehensive
plans.
B
Looking
at
our
zoning
looking
at
approved
development
already
and
if
we're
able
to
through
that
process
to
find
okay,
if,
if
this
area
rezones
or
if
we
Annex
this
property,
this
is
the
basically
the
guard
rails
that
were
wateries.
This
became
an
issue
in
Northern
Beaufort
County.
In
that
you
know
the
city
of
Beaufort
and
town
of
Port
Royal
were,
you
know
perfectly
fine
with
agreeing
on
a
growth
boundary,
but
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
Beaufort
County
wasn't
competing
with
them
just
beyond
the
growth
boundary.
B
So
if
we
up
zoned
and
did
a
high
density
development
in
an
area
that
that
should
have
been
rural
in
a
way,
that's
you
know:
that's
competing
for
growth,
that
is
better
suited
to
be
within
immunity,
municipality
and
so
coming
up
with
that
General
agreement
about
the
rule
of
the
the
municipality
and
the
county
within
and
with
outside
the
growth
boundaries
and
then
finally
identifying
shared
standards
that
have
cross-jurisdictional
impacts.
You
know,
I,
think
that
these
the
number
one
I
would
say
is
transportation.
B
I
think
we
all
know
you
know
what's
happening
on
170
and
and
we
look
to
the
future
of
that.
We
realize
that
that
future
growth
is
going
to
be
impacted
by
the
actions
of
Beaufort
County
by
Jasper,
County,
the
city
of
Hardeeville
and
maybe
to
a
lesser
degree,
the
town
of
Bluffton-
and
you
know
so
having
you
know,
agreed
upon
standards
for
traffic
impact
analysis.
What
triggers
the
traffic
impact
analysis
coordinating?
What
types
of
improvements
we
should
be
asking
for
you
know,
off-site
improvements
that
are
triggered
by
development
are
really
important.
B
You
know
another
one
which
we've
taken
great
strides
in
this
region,
of
course,
is
storm.
Water
water
doesn't
necessarily
stop
at
jurisdictional
boundaries.
If
we
have,
you
know,
agreed
upon
standards,
then
you
know
we're
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
protecting
waterways
and
drainage
and
and
flooding.
B
You
know
in
a
multi-jurisdictional
approach,
and
you
know
when
it
comes
to
down
to
if
impacting
I
cross
jurisdictional
in
in-
and
this
is
you
know,
maybe
my
opinion,
but
there's
a
certain
point
where
you
kind
of
draw
the
line.
I,
don't
know
that
necessarily
we
all
have
to
have
the
same
definition
for
what
a
specimen
tree
is
or
what
is
preserved.
You
know
that
there
might
be
those
types
of
things
become
more
local
issues,
but
there
are
decisions
that
impact
the
region,
and
those
are
the
things
that
we
want
to
focus
on.
B
The
next
slide
is
how
to
get
there.
You
know
we
have
this
committee
together,
we've
met
twice
we're
actually
meeting
again
right
after
this
meeting
and
what
we
anticipate
is
you
know
the
first
process
is
sharing
information
sharing
existing
development
that
has
been
approved.
So
we
have
an
idea
about.
B
We
wanted
to
talk
about
elect.
You
know
electrical
utilities,
other
things
that
impact
growth
to
get
a
better
picture
about
where
future
growth
should
be
targeted
and
where
we
really
want
to
Target.
You
know
preservation
or
low
density
development,
so
through
that
process
we're
defining
it's
it's.
You
know
this
framework
this
this
feature,
land
use,
Vision,
begins
to
kind
of
start
to
come
into
Focus
and
then
once
we
do
that
it's
defining
those
those
standards
that
impact
cross
jurisdictional
and
maybe
coming
up
with
some
tools
to
use
in
the
future.
B
In
in
southern
Beaver,
County
coming
out
of
the
Southern
Regional
plan,
we
came
up
with
this
process
called
projects
of
regional
significance,
and
the
idea
is
that
development
that
crosses
the
threshold,
whether
it's
a
certain
size
in
acreage
or
number
of
dwelling
units
or
square
footage
of
commercial,
that
we're
sharing
that
information
with
neighboring
jurisdictions
and
then
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
comment.
Sometimes,
if
it's
in
title
development,
it's
information
sharing
or
it
might
be
saying
hey,
you
might
want
to
look
at.
You
know
the
traffic
impacts
on
this
intersection.
B
When
it
comes
to
decisions
about
annexation
or
rezoning,
then
it's
you
know
providing
inputs.
You
know
based
on
the
greed
upon
work
done
by
the
by
so
loco
and
I
kind
of
talked
about
the
stakeholders.
You
know
this
is
part
of
the
process.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
looking
at
all
the
the
factors
that
impact
growth
and
are
impacted
by
growth.
You
know
so
I
had
mentioned
roads,
utilities
I
forgot
to
mention
earlier
schools,
that's
a
huge
Factor.
B
B
B
It
could
be
as
simple
as
an
adopted
future
land
use
map
that
identifies
the
growth
boundaries
of
each
jurisdiction
and
then
an
intergovernmental
agreement
that
outlines
those
things
like
the
the
rules
of
the
municipalities
within
it
within
the
growth
boundaries,
the
the
county
outside
the
growth
boundaries,
for
example,
with
the
city
of
Beaufort
Indiana,
Port
Royal.
We
have
an
agreement
if,
if
a
property
is
contiguous,
the
county,
we
give
the
municipality
right
of
first
refusal
for
upsoding.
You
know
so
it's
you
know
they
have
the
option
to
Annex
the
ideas.
B
If
they're
in
the
growth
boundary
annexation
should
occur
rather
than
the
county
competing
with
the
municipalities,
we
even
have
an
agreement.
If
a
property
is
one
or
two
properties
removed,
we
still
give
the
municipality
opportunity
to
explore
options
of
creating
contiguity.
So
things
like
that
that
you
know
provides
better
cooperation.
B
You
know
because
the
idea
is
that,
within
a
growth
boundary
primarily
that
should
be
Municipal
jurisdiction
outside
County
jurisdiction,
but
that,
of
course,
I
think
will
come
down
to
the
work
of
this
committee.
That's
just
an
example
of
work.
That's
been
done
in
another
part
of
the
county
and
then
finally,
certain
documents.
You
know
we
mentioned
that
projects
are
Regional
significance.
I,
think
that
that's
something
that's
very
simple
and
straightforward:
it
could
be
adopted
by
resolution
by
each
local
jurisdiction.
B
You
know
allowing
that
that
sharing
of
information
you
know
and
I
think
also
with
that
they
were.
There
may
be
some
homework.
Given
the
committee,
you
know,
we
we've
agreed
on
this
framework.
I
want
you
to
look,
you
know
it
may
be
that
we
look
closer
at
our
traffic
impact
analysis
requirements
or
taking
another
look
at
storm
water.
You
know
or
different
things
that
we've
identified
as
impacting
the
region.
So
that's
in
a
sense.
What
we
see
is
the
deliverables
out
of
this
process
and
what
I
anticipate
our
next
steps
as
a
committee?
B
Is
we
really
want
to
hear
from
soloco
about
this
approach?
Whether
this
is
what
you
envisioned?
You
know
when
you
created
this
committee
and
then
also
afterwards,
what
we
want
to
do
to
our
subcommittee
will
be
meeting
I
guess
to
you
know,
based
on
the
input
of
this
committee,
to
start
charting
what
our
schedule
looks
like
moving
forward
and
how
we
want
to
get
there.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
certainly
entertain
questions
and
discussion.
A
Well,
first
of
all,
before
I
open
it
up
to
the
board
wow
what
what
a
great
presentation
and
and
what
a
wonderful
framework
and
in
such
a
short
period
of
time.
So
my
compliments
to
you
and
your
entire
committee
on
on
what
you've
accomplished
so
far,
I'm
I'm
very
impressed
anyone
from
the
board
first
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
public
mayor,
Mary.
C
C
We
have
sort
of
different
issues
around
land
use
and
growth,
boundaries
and
and
those
issues
I
I've
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
it's
worked
really
well
in
Northern
Beaufort
County
between
the
town
of
Port,
Royal,
the
county
and
and
the
city,
and
so
I
would
just
want
to
put
it
in
a
good
word
for
the
Northern
Regional
plan
and
I.
Think
our
Council
and
the
city
will
have
a
hard
time
sort
of
straying
from
the
land
use
agreements
and
the
and
the
growth
boundaries
in
in
the
plan.
C
I
don't
know
if
Port
Royal
feels
differently
than
than
that
I
I
might
suggest
that
we
get
into
maybe
some
of
the
tactics
of
the
Northern
Regional
plan
and
those
recommendations.
For
example,
you
know
how
does
the
county
notify
the
municipalities
or
notify
the
applicants
that
are
within
the
growth
boundaries
that
they
should
consider
annexation
because
I'm
aware
of
a
few
projects
as
of
late,
that
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
that
we've
been
notified
and
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
has
either
so
I.
C
Think
from
our
standpoint,
if
there's
a
way,
the
committee
can
again
sort
of
dive
deeper
into
the
Northern
Regional
plan
to
talk
about
you
know
execution
items
or
how
they're
monitored
and
managed
long
term.
That
might
be
more
important
for
the
northern
side
of
the
county
than
re-looking
at
the
future,
land
use
maps
and
the
growth
boundaries,
because
I
think
our
comp
plans,
the
Northern
Regional
plan,
the
ladies
on
plan.
They
all
sort
of
point
us
in
that
same
direction
and
that
you
know
I
appreciate
Port
rules.
Insights
on
that
too.
B
B
E
D
B
D
F
D
So
different,
we
are
more
than
a
little.
We
are
very
different.
You
have
a
yin
and
yang
with
Port,
Royal
and
Beaufort,
and
then
Weston
just
felt,
which
is
coming
true
today,
even
out
in
Saint
Helena.
How
so
much
is
rural
I?
Don't
know
that
Bluffton
Bluffton
never
connects
with
Hilton
Head
without
Beaufort
County
running
into
it.
Beaufort
County
doesn't
connect
all
the
way
without
Jasper
County
running
into
it.
So
we
are
really
kind
of
a
mess
of
who
owns
what
so
I.
D
Don't
think
we
can
take
one
that
you
think
works
so
well
and
enforce
it
on
on
another.
So
I
think
your
committee
is
going
to
have
to
I'm
with
Stephen
the
tactics
of
it
all
the
where's,
the
permit
finder
overall
where's
public
transparency
and
where
these
projects
are
going
for
the
public
to
see
and
what
are
the
points
where
you've
got
to
bring
in
your
neighbor
and
I?
E
D
And
that
was
my
other
thing
on
your
storm.
Water
I
wouldn't
go
down
that
rabbit
hole
so
much
because
we
don't
all
and
I'm
learning
from
Hardeeville
even
that
what
they
found
is.
Their
soils
are
far
different
from
Bluffton
soils.
So
there
are
just
some
reasons.
Why
and
maybe
that's
I,
don't
know
it's
just
a
comment.
Good.
D
E
D
C
F
G
Looks
like
that
first
one
to
share
is
your
beginning.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
each
of
us
has
the
existing
plans
as
a
starting
point.
All
of
the
things
that
have
been
talked
about
are
relevant,
but
until
we
find
out
where
we
are
their
relevancy
is
in
the
background,
so
I
think
that's
the
starting
point
right
there.
D
C
I
just
I
just
mentioned
that,
because
stormwater
is
another
one
where
I
think
I
agree
with
Lisa
we've
we've
sort
of
tackled
that
800
pound
elephant
and
everybody's
signed
on
mostly
so
I
I.
Just
the
word
of
caution
was
don't
don't
be
duplicative
over
what
committees
and
other
processes
that
we've
already
sort
of
Taken
on
would
be
be
one
piece
of
guidance.
C
The
second
thing
was
I
I
want
us
to
be
careful
that
you
know
the
plan
doesn't
seek
to
assimilate
all
of
the
jurisdictions,
because
I
think
it's
cool
that
we
each
have
our
own
flavor.
We
each
have
developed
differently,
I
think
to
Lisa's
point
right,
but
we
are
different
and
I
think
that's.
Okay,
John
O'toole
makes
this
analogy
about
Beaufort,
County
and
Jasper.
We're
a
stained
glass
window
in
each
of
the
communities
are
different.
They
look
different,
but
the
sum
of
our
parts.
C
We
make
a
pretty
cool
work
of
art
and
so
I
I
just
I
caution.
As
we
look
at
you
know
these
Regional
big
Regional
plans.
There
are
things
that
we
certainly
should
align
on,
but
I
also
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
each
community's
individuality
in
the
County's
individuality
and
there
are
going
to
be
places
where
I
think
over
time
that
that
creates
greater
intrinsic
value
for
for
all
of
us.
C
A
If
I
would
follow
up
to
both
mayor's
comments,
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
see
is
at
least
the
acknowledgment
and
the
awareness
of
those
differences
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
stormwater
plan.
Hardyville
still
hasn't
adopted,
not
that
we're
not
going
to,
but
whatever
we'd
end
up
adopting
we're
going
to
the
mzdo
Revival
or
revisions.
Now
it
will
be
different
than
what
was
recommended
by
soloco.
A
What
was
it
the
projects
of
regional
significance?
There
are
I'll
use
the
okatee
region
and
all
that
encompasses
that
affects
Beaufort
County
Jasper
County.
It
affects
hardyville,
it
affects
Bluffton
and
ultimately,
the
roots
of
going
from
Hilton
Head
to
Beaufort
are
affected
by
what
happens
in
that
area,
and
so
what
I
was
thinking
as
you
were?
A
Giving
it
perhaps
one
of
the
techniques
and
tactics
that
was
referred
to
is
that
so
that
a
lot
of
developers
come,
let's
say
to
hardyville
and
they'll,
come
to
us
an
executive
session
to
take
our
pulse
on
on
on
a
future
project.
Well,
we
want
to
it's
good
to
share
that,
because
it's
a
project
of
regional
significance
but
we're
restricted
because
it
was
an
executive
session.
A
H
So
in
looking
at
this
first
thing
that
jumps
out
to
me
is
is
moving
the
natural
resources,
wetlands
and
other
factors
a
little
bit
earlier,
because
that
should
be
a
defining
Factor
as
to
where
development
should
or
should
not
go
and
then
going
back
to
Mary
Murray's
Point.
It's
it's
a
measurement
outcomes.
Where
do
we
see
ourselves
as
a
low
country
within
our
individuality?
H
What
is
it
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
and
what
do
we
want
to
be
to
make
certain
that
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
storm
water,
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
Transportation
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
future
development?
We're
meeting
all
those
needs
within
our
character?
But
what
is
that
outcome
that
that
fits?
So
I
think
that
if
the
committee
could
somehow
figure
that
out,
which
is
not
an
easy
task,
would
be
greatly
beneficial
for
everybody.
H
I
I'd
like
to
see
commonality
start
out
with
commonality.
You
know
we're
talking
all
the
time
about
specifics,
but
I
think
commonality
is
where
we
start
or
should
start.
So
once
you
have
the
commonality
you
can
work
it
out
and
then
from
there
you'll
be
able
to
go
into
deeper
subjects,
but
let's
get
together.
I
mean
the
one
thing
that
comes
out
and
it
always
comes
out.
We
don't
you
do
something
in
Buford.
We
do
something
in
Jasper.
Sometimes
we
don't
know
what
we're
doing
same
thing
with
Hardeeville
same
thing
with
Bluffton.
I
B
I
actually
go
over
because
we
were,
we
were
concerned
about
this
very
issue.
I
think
that's
been
brought
up
a
few
times
that
and
I
agree
that
you
know
it's
it's
defining.
What
is
that
commonality
and
what
are
the
things
that
we
value
the
most
as
a
region
that
we
want
to
protect,
but
we're
very
mindful
you
know
in
the
mission
statement
protecting
the
unique
qualities
of
each
local
jurisdiction.
So
that's
why
you
know
I,
don't
think
we're
and
I
don't
think
we
want.
B
B
You
know
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
that
affect
across
jurisdictional
boundaries
and
those
are
the
things
that
I
believe
we
need
to
work
on.
You
know
I.
Think
that
there's
a
happy
medium
between
that.
You
know
each
of
us
having
you
know
that
local
flavor
and
and
distinction,
but
making
sure
that
we're
addressing
those
things
that
have
common
impacts.
D
G
E
J
C
Island
comes
out
of
the
ground
or
in
our
case
these
big
multi-family.
That's
coming
out
that
sort
of
works
counter
to
our
to
our
visioning
plans,
but
for
like
the
notification,
I'll
sort
of
I'll
touch
on
that.
You
know
once
once.
You've
got
a
project
in
the
hopper
once
they've
put
in
their
application.
C
It's
very
difficult
for
us
to
to
stop
that
project
within
legal
means
and
I.
Think
that's.
Why
doing
this
hard
work
up
front
to
really
make
sure
that
the
table
has
set
appropriately
on
the
public
side
is?
Is
really
important,
so
I
think
you
know,
the
focus
is
on
again
Vision
one
thing,
but
the
tactics
of
how
do
we
take
that
vision
and
codify
it?
C
We've
in
Beaver
County
have
said
we
want
impact
fees
to
be
the
same
across
the
board.
You
know
versus
North
and
South,
but
if
we're
trying
to
shape
in
Northern
Beaver
County
we're
trying
to
shape
growth
into
the
urban
centers,
which
are
in
the
municipalities
and
we're
trying
to
discourage
growth
in
the
unincorporated
area.
Right,
what
tools
do
we
have
to
do
that?
K
A
A
G
Obviously
this
is
the
next
big
thing
for
soloco,
so
I
would
charge
our
representation
here.
That
represents
our
individual
jurisdictions.
We
should
let
our
individual
County
councils
Town
councils
to
begin
to
understand
what
we
are
going
to
do,
what
we're
going
to
try
and
do
to
ensure
that
they're
on
board
that
we
have
a
United
Vision.
Yes,
we're
going
to
be
individuals.
Yes,
we
have
growth
boundaries
that
we
want
to
protect.
Yes,
we
want
to
do
certain
things,
but
right
now
we
have
a
shared
vision
for
the
future
of
where
we
live,
work
and
play.
D
A
D
A
B
J
The
traffic
impact
analysis
ordinance
that
we're
working
through
as
a
technical
committee,
which
basically
says
any
project
that
creates
so
many
trips
100
trips,
are
greater
that
only
the
select
group
of
traffic
Consultants
would
would
do
that
work.
So,
if
they're
out
of
counters,
they
would
have
to
pay
for
that
that
local
traffic
consultant,
so
basically
the
knowledge
rather
than
having
out-of-counter
from
Atlanta
to
come,
do
something
for
their
specific
project.
J
I
C
F
E
A
A
Thank
you
Jared,
and
your
name
is
going
to
come
up
a
little
later,
so
I'm
going
to
cut
it
off
from
there.
So
don't
go
anywhere
and
you
know
what
it
is.
Okay,
we
have
next
on
our
agenda
an
update
and
discussion
from
the
Housing
Trust.
As
you
know,
that
was
the
main
focus
of
our
meeting
last
month
and
there
were
a
lot
of
questions,
so
we
wanted
to
put
the
trust
back
on
on
the
day.
A
E
It
over
to
you
good,
thank
you
mayor,
so
we
do
have
a
few
boardroom,
quite
a
few
board
members
from
the
Housing
Trust
to
send
the
audience
as
well.
So
last
month,
as
you
mentioned,
we
did
come
and
give
a
six-month
update
to
you
all
on
our
activities
with
the
Housing
Trust.
One
of
those
asks
leaving
that
meeting
again,
as
you
mentioned,
was
that
we
bring
back
to
you
a
more
detailed
list
of
those
pipeline
projects,
those
individuals,
organizations
and
landowners
and
developers
that
we've
spoken
to.
E
So
we
do
have
that
in
your.
You
do
have
that
in
your
package
and
we
provided
that
to
you
all
so
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
just
we
do
have
24
listed
here,
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
or
even
through
24
of
them,
but
I
do
just
kind
of
want
to
mention
a
few
things
as
I
just
kind
of
scroll
through
and
then
after
I
finish
for
a
few
minutes.
E
If
you
got
any
questions
comments
concerning
the
pipelines
that
you
have
in
your
package
and
I'm
here
to
answer
those
questions
for
you.
After
that,
we
will
have
our
chairman
Wendy
Zara.
That's
going
to
come
up
to
you
all
kind
of
give
you
more
insight
into
that
discussion,
as
you
mentioned,
that
we've
had
on
concerning
tax
credits,
so
she'll
mention
that
as
she
come
up
and
give
you
some
further
updates,
as
well
as
you
mentioned,
as
far
as
seeking
out
those
resources
and
sources
under
the
development
committee.
E
So
just
want
to
mention
to
you
right,
quick
of
course
here
it
does
kind
of
does
list,
specifically
some
of
those
24
individuals
that
we've
we've
spoken
to
are
having
conversations
with,
of
course,
out
of
this
list.
We
do
have
seven
respondents
to
our
May
RFP
that
we
put
out
that
has
closed,
but
we're
having
discussions
with
those
individuals
out
of
those
seven
two
did
not
fully
complete
an
application,
a
full
application,
but
we
again
are
working
with
them
on
some
technical
assistance.
E
We
do
have
five
that
are
at
some
level
and
either
underwriting
or
getting
us
more
information
with
the
goal
of
pushing
them
towards
underwriting
again.
These
five,
for
example,
these
five
they
are.
They
have
went
through
our
project
evaluation,
Committee.
Of
course,
we
have
Tony
here
the
Hilton
Head
rep
who's,
chairman
of
that
committee,
and
so
these
five
individuals
who
did
fill
out
a
full
application-
they
have
went
through
the
project
evaluation
committee.
E
Where
should
they
go?
Who
did
they
need
to
talk
to
again?
We
did
take
that
direction
even
further,
as
mentioned
in
our
in
the
last
in
the
meeting
last
month,
a
valuable
comment.
That
said.
Basically,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
pushing
these
individuals,
especially
the
landowners
to
the
planning
staff
for
for
each
jurisdiction.
E
So,
since
our
meeting
last
month,
we
do
have
two
landowners
again
that
have
had
some
sit-down
meetings
with
the
planning
departments.
I
believe-
and
we
have
one
developer-
that
I've
sat
down
with
the
planning
department
of
the
municipalities,
represented
I,
believe
one
was
in
Hilton.
Head
developers
sat
down
with
the
staff
there
to
discuss
potential
project,
affordable
housing,
small
projects
that
he
want
to
do
over
the
Spanish
Wells
Victoria.
E
Alex
Navarro
he's
has
some
property
in
in
Port
Royal
that
he
would
like
to
to
discuss
to
see
how
he
can
build
affordable
housing
on
that
property
again.
So
moving
forward
moving
forward,
we
don't
we
again
will
continue
the
board
and
Community
work
staff,
as
we
Hazard
will
continue
to
work
with
these
individuals
to
offer
again
some
type
of
technical
assistance
or
Point
them
in
the
direction
of
the
planning
staff
for
the
partnering
jurisdictions
or
Point
them
into
the
direction
of
some
other
organizations
that
may
help
them.
E
For
example,
one
of
the
organizations
would
like
to
put
together
a
housing
plan,
and
so
we
directed
them
to
the
staff
and
working
with
the
staff
with
low
Cog
to
try
to
help
them
get
that
done
so
again,
that's
a
kind
of
just
a
quick
update
of
what
I
have
as
far
as
the
pipeline
projects
that
we
have
up
here
before
you.
If
you
got
any
questions
or
comments,
concerns
on
that
I'm
willing
to
answer
those
for
you.
A
Like
to
thank
everybody,
who's
volunteered
and
been
on
this
committee
for
the
fine
work
that
that
you're
doing
we're
very
proud
of
what
you're
doing
and
and
your
mission,
one
of
the
purposes
of
of
today
with
the
Housing
Trust,
is
to
make
sure
if
there
were
any
residual
questions
that
were
amiss
that
last
month's
meeting
and
give
everybody
the
opportunity.
If
or
if
something
occurred
to
them
in
the
last
month.
So
I'm
just
going
to
open
it
up
for
any
follow-up
questions.
Anyone
first
from
the
board
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
public
and.
E
Mayor
I
do
have
Wendy's.
Auto
is
going
to
come
up
and
again
kind
of
give
that
little
presentation
as
far
as
again
kind
of
more
insight
into
that
tax.
Credit
discussion.
So
if
they
do
have
some
questions
specifically
for
for
this
pipeline,
I
could
answer
those
again.
If
there
are
some
questions
kind
of
more
into
the
direction
of
tax
credit
projects,
then
we
can
maybe
wait
after
she's
speaking
and
then
we
can
ask
those
questions.
K
K
You
what
happens
when
you're
short
the
idea
of
tax
credit,
affordable
housing
loomed
really
large
in
that
conversation,
and
we
do
have
Tony
Alfieri
here.
He
is
our
project.
Analysis
chair,
but
also
his
career
was
in
tax
credit
financing.
In
case
we
get
any
really
technical
questions,
but
I
wanted
to
just
give
you
an
overview
of
they're
called
litec.
K
So
these
are
just
the
general
parameters
by
Statute.
They
are
affordable
for
30
years.
The
qualified
contract
loophole
is
this
is
what
gets
to
the
15-year.
The
qualified
contract
loophole
is
left
over
from
the
IRS
crafting
of
the
litec
section
42
of
the
tax
code
that
basically
needed
an
exit.
After
15
years
for
tax
opinion
purposes,
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
homes
or
units
have
been
subject
to
qc's,
which
is
a
qualified
contract
allowing
the
rent
to
go
to
market
since
Inception
in
1986
through
2021.
K
K
So
those
are
the
sort
of
the
quick
and
dirty
general
idea
of
how
latec
deals
work
we
also
and
when
I
say
we
I
mean
primarily.
Tony
has
spent
some
time
trying
to
compare
litec
deals
with
affordable
housing.
That
does
not
have
the
benefit
of
the
tax
credit
and
he
has
spreadsheets
and
stuff
if
you're
interested
in
it
I
just
too
complicated
to
put
up
on
a
screen,
but
basically
for
a
hypothetical
100
unit.
K
Multi-Family
apartment
without
the
tax
credit
would
need
to
have
a
subsidy
of
175
thousand
dollars
per
unit
and
that's
a
lot
of
money.
Where
does
the
subsidy
come
from?
You
know
it
could
come
from
multiple
places.
Anything
from
you
know,
contributions
out
of
the
general
fund
to
working
with
the
water
authority
to
impact
fees,
there's
a
lot
of
places
to
try
and
come
up
with
that
subsidy.
But
so
that's
what
the
assumption
is.
K
The
investors
equity
in
the
latex
deals
makes
up
the
bulk
of
the
sources
plus
mortgage
financing,
on
which
they
get
better
terms
than
a
conventional
mortgage
and
they're
ready
readily
sellable
in
the
secondary
Market
to
Fannie
Mae
and
Freddie
Mac,
or
some
other
private
investor
Additionally.
The
risk
of
default
on
the
tax
credit
investors,
which
is
usually
major,
Banks
and
insurance
companies,
gets
them
better
rates
on
their
mortgages.
K
The
three
light
tech
deals
in
our
pipeline
now
total
2.6
million
and
therefore
263
units
and
lesson
10
000
homes
per
15-year
repayment,
affordable
60
to
80
percent
of
Ami.
That's
175
000
per
unit
at
Workforce
at
a
hundred
percent.
A
hundred
percent
of
Ami
is
about
62
000
per
unit
at
60
to
80
it's
about
175,
000
per
unit.
K
So
I
know
those
are
really
big
numbers,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
why
we
do
not
see
affordable
housing
being
built
in
either.
One
of
these
counties,
the
land
prices
and
the
construction
prices.
Etc
have
gone
up
so
much
in
the
last
five
years,
much
less
20
years
that
other
than
habitat
really
affordable.
Housing
is
not
being
built,
except
through
litech
projects.
K
F
M
M
I,
actually,
don't
have
anything
else
to
add.
Actually
it
was
the
the
board
that
you
know
put
this
together.
I
originally
ran
the
numbers
and
and
discussed
it
with
the
board
and
a
couple
outside
Underwriters.
If
you
will,
but
it's
a
national
problem,
you
know
you
can
pick
up
the
New
York
Times,
Washington
Post
or
you
know
any
any
periodical
and
you're
hearing
about
affordable
housing
issues
all
over
the
country.
So
you
know
to
get
deals
done.
You
need
local
community
support,
you
need
State
support
and
you
need
National
support.
So.
M
D
The
thing
we
can
go
way
into
this,
but
just
kind
of
at
the
top
some
of
these
would,
if
we
didn't
exist,
I
think
they
still
would
be
going
through
the
process
to
get
it
so
I
wonder
how
many
of
your
three
were
discounted
from
the
funding.
You
said
there
were
some
non-renewals
of
some
of
these
companies
so
as
I
don't
believe.
Bennett
and
reindl
have
been.
M
No,
no
great
great
question
so
they're
on
our
pipeline.
They
have
yet
to
be
awarded
a
tax
credit
award
from
SC
housing.
I
actually
talked
to
interim
director
huddo
of
SC
housing.
Just
last
week.
We
fully
expect
the
qualified
allocation
plan
for
2020
four
to
to
come
out
in
December.
We
might
not
have
a
round
of
credits
in
2023.,
so
the
the
two
deals
are
not
yet
awarded.
Credits
are
the
the
wota
Cooper
deal
also
on
170,
and
then
you
know,
as
as
you
made
mentioned,
the
Bennett
Rydell
deal
do.
M
Absolutely
yes,
the
deal
would
probably
get
underwritten
two
or
three
times
in
the
process
and
I
think
we.
We
know
that
the
the
tax
credit
transactions
are
complicated.
They
take
a
couple
years
to
close,
sometimes
so,
what
what
would
happen
is
we
would
send
out
a
commitment
letter
and
you
know,
but
it
needs
to
have
a
fully
sourced
deal.
It's
obviously
needs
to
have
Awards.
You
know
we
need
to
have
the
money
to
be
able
to
do
it
right.
M
The
one
transaction
that
we
are
currently
underwriting
is
the
common
Commonwealth
transaction.
There
there
are
Developer
based
out
of
Wisconsin
they're
they're
doing
a
deal
just
on
Boundary
Street.
That
actually
has
a
2022
award,
so
it
has
gone
through
the
the
state
process
that
that
is
our
our
best
Prospect
for
funding.
D
C
D
M
M
Oh
yeah,
absolutely
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
you,
I
mean
it
would
be
wrong
for
us
to
put
all
our
eggs
in
one
basket.
It
would
be
wrong
for
us
to
shut
out
local
developers
that
do
really
small
deals.
Yeah
I
I
know
and
understand
that,
but
to
your
point,
around
Section
8.
Many
of
these
projects
do
not
have
section
8
vouchers
from
the
Housing
Authority
or
traveling.
D
I
shouldn't
have
said:
Section
8,
but
it's
this
it's
definitely
the
60
and
Below,
which
I
think
is
needed,
but
not
a
hundred
percent
of
our
money.
When
we
clearly
poor
Vicky
has
heard
it
through
Ad
nauseam.
That
was
like
number
50
on
our
list
of
where
to
put
it
and
I
feel
like
we're,
putting
it
in
those
15-year
loans,
and
it
doesn't
do
it.
M
It's
again
I
tried
to
make
this
point
at
the
last
meeting
at
what
was
presented
to
us
after
our
RFP
and
Loi
process.
We
we
didn't
go
out
and
Market.
You
know
free
money
to
these
developers.
You
know
David
Cooper
lives
in
Palmetto
Bluff.
He
came
to
the
original
meeting.
It
started
us
off,
David
Bennett.
We
know
him
in
his
history.
The
Commonwealth
folks
they've
done
deals
all
over
the
country.
They
know
enough
to.
You
know:
ask
for
soft
housing
within
municipalities.
M
C
C
C
Well,
I
understand
that
okay,
but
I,
guess
of
the
requests
that
we
do
have
in
the
hopper.
It's
278
units
for
just
over
5
million
dollars
and
I
believe
we
only
have
about
a
little
over
7
million
between
the
state
allocation
and
the
eight
jurisdictions
allocations
and
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
this
morning
is
from
the
low
income
tax
credit
projects
which
I
they're
certainly
a
need,
and
it's
one
of
the
only
mechanisms
that's
currently
been
building,
affordable
housing,
but
15
20
years
goes
by
awfully
fast
and
I.
C
I
heard
your
fact
about
three
percent,
but
I
can
tell
you
three
projects
in
Northern,
Beaufort
County
that
the
compliance
period
has
is
ended.
They
flipped
owners,
they
sugarcoated
the
units.
They
kicked
all
the
low-income
folks
out
and
now
they
reset
to
market
rate.
So
I
might
argue.
Our
percentage
is
a
little
higher
than
what
the
national
average
looks
like
I
guess.
I
know
we're.
C
But
I
got
a
letter
from
you
recently
that
had
three
or
four
recommendations
for
regulatory
reform.
Frankly,
that
seemed
less
than
comprehensive,
considering
all
the
eight
jurisdictions
and
so
I.
My
first
question
is:
how
did
that
sort
of
list
of
three
or
four
items
come
about
and
what's
the
committee
doing
to
look
at
regulations
across
all
jurisdictions
because
I
think
to
Mr
Tony's
point?
It's
got
to
really
have
local
local
support
and.
C
So
how
are
you
working
on
that
that
issue
with
the
the
regulations?
Now
we
got
a
last
a
request
for
land,
and
so
is
the
trust
going
to
be
a
land
bank
and
now
get
into
the
sort
of
Land
Management
business.
Have
you
had
a
conversation
with
the
Housing
Authority
because
they
own
a
lot
of
land
assets?
They
have
the
ability
to
do
tax-free
bonds,
I
guess
I'm,
just
concerned
that
we're
having
a
lot
of
meetings,
we're
talking
about
now,
sort
of
diluting
all
of
the
money
into
long-term
financing
and
to
build
250
units.
C
K
This,
let's
take
this
one
thing
at
a
time:
okay,
as
I
pointed
out,
we
have
one
project
in
underwriting
and
it
is
the
only
one
that's
been
awarded.
Tax
credits,
the
other
two,
the
earliest,
that
they
would
be
awarded
tax
credits
is
sometime
next
year
would
be
on
a
different
budget
cycle.
We've
had
would
have
had
time
to
raise.
K
K
C
But
that
guy
yeah
I'm
just
I,
know
we're
all
short
on
time.
So
I
just
want
to
say,
I'm
I'm
concerned
we're
we're
having
a
lot
of
meetings,
we're
throwing
a
lot
of
stuff
at
the
wall,
but
there's
no
real,
clear
direction
of
the
trust
and
how
we
actually
induce
housing
and
I'm,
not
I'm.
Sorry
to
sort
of
pick
on
you,
but
I
have
all
the
constituent
complaints
I
hear
today.
C
K
K
But
you
know
getting
over
to
the
letter
that
we
sent
about
possible
ordinance
changes.
Those
are
not.
That
is
not
a
complete
list.
It's
going
to
be
different
for
each
municipality
and
jurisdiction,
but
simply
speaking
the
the
ones
we
put
in.
That
letter
are
the
most
obvious
ones,
most
of
which
people
have
probably
already
heard
about,
for
example,
density
bonuses.
K
You
can
see
just
from
these
numbers
that
if
you've
got
a
piece
of
land-
and
you
can
only
put
a
certain
number
of
units
on
it
and
the
acreage
costs,
what
it
costs,
it's
going
to
cost
more
to
build
those
units
than
if
you
can,
let's
say,
double
or
triple
the
number
of
units
you
put
on
there.
And
that
is
the
type
of
thing
that's
been
going
on
on
a
national
level
where
different
entities
and
states
and
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
them
actually
accomplished
this
yet.
C
A
A
K
You
Mr.
Thank
you
one
other
thing.
We
are
planning
a
symposium
which
is
being
planned,
basically
with
all
the
entities
for
November
Scott
weirman
of
the
Community
Foundation
of
a
low
country
and
Tom
Hanks
of
the
bluff.
The
Bluffton
Hilton
Head
chamber
have
put
together
a
meeting.
A
whole
bunch
of
us
met
anybody
with
any
anything
to
do
with
affordable
housing,
which
would
include
entities
like
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
we're
planning
a
half
a
day.
Symposium
it'll
be
sometime
in
November.
A
Thank
you
Wendy.
Thank
you
Brad.
This
is,
will
be
an
ongoing
conversation,
I'm
sure
just
two
last
things
in
terms
of
the
future
agenda:
the
4-Hour
November
meeting.
We
do
have
some
elections
coming
up
in
November.
That
will
change
the
makeup
of
this
board.
I,
don't
know
what
I'm
going
to
do.
If
I
don't
have
my
when
I
don't
have
mayor
salka
to
lean
over
and
talk
to,
but
so
I'll
call
for
election
of
officers
at
the
November
meeting.
A
If,
if
anyone
feels
they
want
to
step
up
to
their
role,
you
don't
you
won't,
hurt
my
feelings,
but
we
will
need
a
co-chair
because
mayor
salka
is
not
running
for
re-election,
so
give
some
thought
to
that
on
on.
If
there's
any
changes
on
how
you
would
like
to
see,
this
committee
run,
please
feel
free
to
offer
them
by
November.
A
I
would
is,
does
everybody
anybody
have
any
comments
about
that
objections
to
that
agenda
for
September?
The
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
hardyville,
so
I've
already
asked
the
rec
center
to
hold
that
date
and
I.
Think
the
bigger
form
at
the
rec
center
would
be
good
and
I
would
ask
everybody
on
the
board
to
contact
the
delegations.
I'll
send
out
the
invitation,
but,
let's
all
of
us
try
to
contact
everybody
and
make
sure
try
to
get
them
to
show
up
just
so
they
understand
this
is
not
to
grow
them.