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Let
me
I'll
go
ahead
and
walk
you
all
through
the
what
is
being
proposed
if
you're
familiar
with
this
area.
Here's
the
intersection
of
washington,
boulevard
and
11th
street,
of
course-
and
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
development
on
the
corner.
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This
is
the
stretch
of
property
in
question
and
it's
again
as
labeled
delta
street
and,
as
you
can
see
it,
along
with
some
other
areas,
were
platted
or
at
least
set
aside
many
years
ago
for
future
streets,
but
based
on
the
development
pattern,
the
street,
just
it
hasn't,
been
constructed
for
any
good
reason
through
the
years,
and
you
can
see
across
the
street.
There's
some
right-of-way
and
it's
you
know
again
it
it.
It
goes
along
the
railroad
right
away.
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You
know
that
may
be
the
case
if
this
street
were
ever
developed,
but
it's
just.
We
don't
anticipate
that
that's
the
case.
So
again,
the
applicant
is
trying
to
develop
this
property
back
behind
the
property
here
on
the
corner
of
washington
boulevard,
and
let
me
show
you
the
site
plan
and
give
you
a
little
bit
better
idea
again.
The
corner
of
washington
11th
would
be
to
the
south
kind
of
the
bottom
left
of
your
of
your
screen,
but
what
he
wants
to
do
is
is
develop
this
property
here.
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Normally,
when
you
improve
a
city
street
within
a
city
right
away,
it
has
to
be
the
city
standard,
so
like
the
streets
we
talked
about
in
the
last
subdivision
are
fairly
extensive
and
they're
fairly
expensive
when
half
when
they
have
to
be
built
to
city
standards.
So
the
idea
here
is
to
request
the
abandonment
of
this,
so
that
the
the
developer
does
not
have
to
pay
for
a
full
city
street.
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It
could
be
a
lesser
standard
of
a
driveway,
but
based
on
the
review,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
request
subject
to
a
few
conditions,
and
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
is
in
your
staff
report,
but
essentially
condition
one
would
be
retention
of
the
right-of-way
area
as
an
easement,
and
that
was
based
on
comments
from
the
water
department,
because
there
are
two
sewer
lines
located
in
the
easement.
So
we
want
to
retain
that
and
also
drainage.
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District
six
would
like
to
have
access
over
this
area
because
they
do
have
some
drainage
facilities
to
the
north.
So,
again,
staff
recommends
approval
based
on
condition
number
one
retention
of
the
easements
within
the
right
of
way
condition.
Number
two:
any
construction
of
drought
of
a
driveway
within
this
easement
would
require
permission
from
the
city
beaumont
water
department,
as
well
as
drainage
district
six,
so
that
they
could
have
some
some
control
over
the
the
standards
of
the
driveway
that
gets
constructed
if
approved
and
then
finally
again
because
they
are
requesting
abandonment
of
the
property.
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The
appraisal
and
commit
title
commitment
must
be
submitted
to
the
planning
office,
along
with
proof
that
payment
has
been
arranged
prior
to
the
item
being
placed
on
the
city
council's
agenda
and
is
you
may
know
this
is
a
typical
condition
of
an
abandonment
right
away,
because
in
a
sense
they
would
be
buying
the
property
from
the
city.
So
that's
a
standard
standard
condition
with
these
types
of
applications,
but,
based
on
that,
are
there
any
questions
about
this
of
the
staff.
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So
if,
if
you're
familiar
with
11th
street
and
washington,
if
you've
driven
by
you'll,
see
there's
development
on
every
corner,
but
this
property
in
the
back,
the
there's
really
no
good
access
to
it.
It
is
fronting
on
delta
street,
but
it's
unimproved,
and
so,
if
there's
no
improved
street
on
an
undeveloped
property,
we
typically
don't
allow
development
on
that
and
so.
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Right
so
what's
in
question:
now
is
only
this
area
outlined
in
red
and
there's
not
a
street
there?
Currently,
it's
just
right
away.
So
essentially
it's
land-
that's
set
aside
for
a
future
street,
but
there's
no
street
there
now.
So
if
we
go
forward
to
his
plan
again,
this
is
the
same
area
and
you'll
see
delta
street.
Here
this
is
delta
street
right
away,
but
there's
not
a
street
there.
It's
just
it's
just
land
set
aside
for
a
street
and
then
again,
you'll
see
the
santa
fe
railroad
here.
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11Th
street
is
is
off
here
to
the
left,
and
so
this
is
what
the
applicant
is
preparing
is
planning
or
proposing
to
develop.
So
this
is
parking-
and
this
is
a
small,
I
believe,
a
small
restaurant,
and
so
if
delta
street
were
built
to
city
standards,
that
would
be
no
question.
They
could
simply
access
it
from
delta
street,
but
because
it's
not
there,
the
two
options
are
they
can
either
the
applicant
can
either
develop
delta
street,
which
again
would
be
very
expensive
or
if
the
city
council
planning
commission
recommends
city
council
approves.
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If
the
city
council
determines
that
this
is
not
needed,
then
this
could
be
vacated
or
abandoned
and
essentially
given
to
the
adjacent
property
owner
at
a
price.
Again
I
mentioned
they'd
have
to
have
it.
Appraised
and
they'd
have
to
pay
for
it,
but
it
could
be
conveyed
to
the
property
owner
and
again
the
benefit
there
is.
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They
could
do
essentially
a
driveway
to
this
property
instead
of
a
full
city
street
and
I'll
say
that
over
the
years
we've
we've
been
asked
about
this
property,
because
it's
a
pretty
high
traffic
intersection,
it's
just
and
again
going
back
to
the
overhead.
It's
just
we
don't.
We
just
don't
anticipate
anyone
ever
wanting
to
develop
a
full
city
street
here
you
know
again
to
connect
with
other
un
unconstructed
streets
back
here.
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What
we're
trying
to
do
is
put
a
fast
food
to
go
place
right
there
on
that
corner.
It's
a
small
business,
that's
20
by
40!
In
that
section
there
a
lot
of
people
don't
want
to
get
out
and
go
into
a
restaurant.
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I'm
sorry
it'll
be
convenient
for
the
neighborhood,
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
want
to
go
inside
a
restaurant
still
and
when
you
can
go
in
and
order
from
one
side
and
come
around
the
other
side
and
pick
it
up
and
go
it's
more
convenient
for
the
public
and
the
community
to
develop,
and
we
would
like
to
get
you
guys
approved
on
it
to
build
it.
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Yeah,
essentially,
what
y'all,
what
the
planning
commission
is
considering
is
whether
or
not
the
city
needs
to
hold
on
to
that
area
outlined
in
red
for
a
future
street,
and
mr
limbrick
is
proposing
again
because
if
you
look,
he
doesn't
have
access
to
11th
street
the
only
access
to
11th
street
from
this
property
that
he
wants
to
develop
is
through
delta
and
because
delta
is
city
right
away.
The
only
way
for
him
to
use
it
is
is
to
build
a
full
city
street,
which
is
very,
very
expensive.
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So
the
idea
here
is,
if
the
planning
commission
agrees
and
the
city
council
agrees,
that
we
don't
need
delta
reserved
for
a
future
city
street,
then
mr
limbert
can
acquire
it
and
build
essentially
a
driveway
so
like
more
of
a
commercial
drive
access
driveway
to
the
through
the
lot,
instead
of
a
full
city
street.
So
we've
presented
the
plan
to
you.
So
you
know
what
what
mr
limbrick
is
trying
to
is
trying
to
achieve
here.
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H
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A
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L
Mayor
mouton
mayor
pro
tim
samuel,
absent
council
member
feldshah,
councilmember
turner,
councilmember,
neal,
councilmember,
getz
and
councilmember
durio.
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A
All
right
chris
item,
2021
2243.
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Okay
item
pz
2021-243
is
to
consider
a
request
for
the
conveyance
and
dedication
of
private
streets
and
infrastructure
to
the
city
of
beaumont.
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Now
there
are
streets
in
the
city
that
are
in
the
city
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
They
may
have
been
planted
or
developed.
You
know
100
plus
years
ago,
and
so
those
may
be
private
and
in
this
case
that
we're
about
to
talk
about
that's
a
private,
it's
a
private
drive
subdivision
that
was
planted
long
before
there
was
a
planning
commission
in
the
city.
So
what's
what's
before
you
today
is
a
private
drive
subdivision
that
was
not
approved
by
this
body.
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In
fact,
when
it
was
originally
developed,
we
believe
it
was
outside
of
the
city
limits
and
what
is
being
requested
is
that
the
city
take
over
the
maintenance
of
this
street
and
the
infrastructure
in
this
development
and
back
in
2017,
the
city
council
approved
a
process
by
which
this
this
could
be
considered,
and
so
the
process
is
essentially
those
who
have
controlling
interest
of
the
neighborhood.
So
in
this
case
it's
most
of
the
property
owners.
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But
if
there
is
a
homeowners
association,
it's
it's
usually
75
percent
of
that
homeowners
association
have
to
appeal
to
the
city
to
ask.
You
know
to
basically
con
convey
or
change
from
private
to
public,
and
so
it
goes
through
this
process.
The
next
step
in
the
process
is
that
we
ask
our
public
works
engineers
to
go
out
and
assess
what
is
the?
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What
is
the
status
or
the
state
of
that
infrastructure
and
what
are
the
estimated
costs
to
bring
that
infrastructure
up
to
what
we
would
consider
an
acceptable
city
standards
and
so
based
on
that
this
body
would
consider
whether
or
not
in
the
end,
it
makes
sense
for
the
city
as
a
whole
to
convert
these
private
facilities,
water,
sewer
and
streets
to
public
again
for
perpetual
maintenance
going
on
into
the
future.
So
that's
what's
before
you
today,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
background
as
we
go
into
this
particular
case.
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Due
to
the
unknown
condition
of
the
water
and
sewer
lines
it
is
recommended
to
delay
acceptance
until
water
meters
are
relocated
to
meet
city
standards
and
sewer
services
are
verified
to
not
run
within
private
property
comments
from
the
fire
department.
Fire
marshal
kandina
reviewed
the
site
plant
the
site
and
the
fire
department
does
have
concerns
about
the
width
and
load
limits
of
the
current
private
streets.
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Of
what
what
we're
reviewing
here
today
and
again,
west
calder,
you
see,
runs
north
and
south
here
and
what's
in
question,
are
the
private
drives
that
are
in
this
kind
of
an
h
or
a
sideways
age
that
access
west
calder
directly.
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You've
you've
got
to
build
the
streets
to
city
standards
before
you
can
sell
off
any
lots
for
development,
doing
some
research
again
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
how
this
got
developed
in
into
a
private
drive
subdivision
again
it
predates
many
of
our
institutions.
Here
we
believe
that
this
area
was
annexed
into
the
city
in
the
1950s.
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This
area
was
platted,
it
looks
like
in
the
1920s,
and
this
is
an
aerial
photograph
we
found
from
1938
and
you
can
see
if
you
look
at
a
larger
view.
It
appears
that
there
it's
it's
there's
some
oil
facilities
out
there
drilling
drilling
activities,
and
then
here
you
can
see
probably
a
higher
density
of
what's
out
there
now,
but
just
you
can
see
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
nine
so
more
than
ten
dwellings
along
this
area.
So
again
don't
know
it
appears
to
be
housing.
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Anyway,
based
on
you
know
again,
based
on
the
condition
of
the
existing
infrastructure,
the
fact
that
it
has
been
private
for
what
appears
to
be
many
decades.
The
question
at
hand
again
for
the
planning
commission
is
consideration
of
whether
or
not
you
recommend
to
the
city
council
as
to
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
for
the
city
of
oman
as
a
whole
to
convert
these
private
streets
and
this
private
infrastructure
to
public
again
once
it
becomes
public,
there's
a
certain
expectation
that
things
function
properly
and
a
certain
expectation
that
it's
meant
maintained
in
perpetuity.
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So
that's
that's.
What's
before
you
now,
based
on
the
assessment
of
the
of
the
existing
infrastructure
by
the
various
departments,
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
this
application.
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D
Not
a
direct
advantage,
I
mean
we
have
to.
We
do
have
to
take
into
consideration
that
they
are
located
within
the
city
of
beaumont
and
and
that's
always
a
factor
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
you
know
we
should
move
forward
it's
just
with
with
the
current
state
of
the
infrastructure,
especially
the
drainage,
especially
the
streets.
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So
in
our
current
policy
we
do
not
have
many
cities
would
have
a
basically
a
policy
whereby
you
know
they
might
accept
it
or
they
might
say,
look
we'll
accept
it.
If
you
make
improvements
up
to
this
level
and
if,
if
they
do,
then
we
would
they
would
then
we
would
accept
it,
and
you
know
that
too
can
be
a
consideration
of
this
body
of
you
know
you.
Might
you
might
recommend
that
it?
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E
There's
structures
already
back
there
over
the
years
have
garbage
service
been
going
there.
The
emergency
vehicle
has
been
going
to
it.
Have
they
have
access
these
properties
before.
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So
you
know,
could
a
fire
would
a
fire
truck
go
down
that
street
I'd
expect
they
would
an
ambulance
go
down
that
police
police
car
would
and
again
the
neighbors
can
correct
me
if
yeah,
I
would
expect
that
they
would
so,
but
when
the
comments
are
made
in
this,
it's
what
would
we
want,
in
other
words,
for
a
new
development
or
some
reasonable?
You
know
what
would
we
want
to
see
to
accommodate
those
larger
vehicles
as
a
practical
matter?
Would
they
go
down
there?
I
expect
they
would,
and
I
expect
they
do.
It
sounds
like.
K
Chris,
what
does
private
mean.
D
So
you
may
be
aware:
private
drive
subdivisions,
you
know
they
provide
security.
People
may
pay
a
premium
to
have
a
closed
gate
so
that
only
neighbors
and
their
guests
can
access
it.
So
in
to
many
folks
they
just
they
they
might
pay
a
premium
to
live
in
a
private
drive
subdivision,
so
they
have
better
control
of
access.
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And
and
and
again
historically,
because
we've
seen
a
couple
of
these
applications
in
the
recent
recent
years
when
you
build
the
infrastructure
again,
that's
very
expensive.
The
private
drive
is
an
appealing
selling
point,
but
infrastructure,
as
you
know,
ages,
and
if
it's
not
maintained
or
even
if
it
is
maintained.
Eventually
it's
got
to
be.
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You've
got
to
have
a
substantial
overhaul,
or
at
least
substantial
maintenance,
and
so
sometimes
those
expected
costs
balloon
and
it
becomes
an
issue,
and
that's
why
I
mentioned
earlier
that
when
we
do
private
drive
subdivisions
now
we
would
not
allow
you
know
we
would
not
allow
somebody
to
to.
You
know,
divide
up
property
with
a
street
like
that,
we
would
say:
you've
got
to
have
a
city
street.
J
And
just
for
clarity,
if
the
city
hypothetically
wanted
to
move
forward,
where
would
the
funds
come
from
what
what
budget
for
those
come
from.
D
K
J
K
You,
mr
boone,
yes,
well,
chris,
when
you
adopted
the
new
process,
was
there
a
money
involved
in
a
capital,
a
cap
on
the
money
that
was
involved
in
basically
approving
something?
This
magnitude.
D
K
D
E
Okay,
another
question
is
there:
are
they
plan
on
selling
property
in
here
for
development,
or
is
this
just
something
that
they're
keeping
for
themselves?
Since
most
of
these,
I
saw,
I
think
you
counted
out
10
properties
on
one
screen,
but
I
didn't
see
it
on
another.
D
Okay,
so
I
don't,
I
don't
know
what
their
plan
I
think
their
their
plans.
Are.
They
just
really
want
the
infrastructure
improved,
because
obviously
the
streets
are
at
a
certain
level
and
the
drainage
is
an
issue.
That's
that's
my
estimation
of
what
they're
asking
for,
and
you
know
as
any
normal
neighborhood
there
will
be
sales
of
property,
but
these
are
all,
I
believe,
many
different
owners.
D
I
will
say
that
if
there
were
larger
tracks
in
there
as
we
discussed
earlier,
we
would
not
allow
them
to
subdivide
them
any
further
for
any
for
any
additional
development.
Because,
again
that's
what
this
body
does
is
tries
to
make
sure
that
you
know
this.
This
kind
of
thing
does
not
happen
in
the
future.
Going
forward.
A
M
N
M
Are
12
homes
in
there
16
properties,
several
undeveloped?
Okay,
I
don't
think
any
of
them
would
be
splitting
because
they're,
you
know
they're
smaller
lots
in
there,
but
and-
and
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
address-
is
that
before
before
the
the
zoning
commission
came
to
be
right,
this
this
property
had
already
been
developed.
M
Okay,
whether
it
was
part
of
the
city
of
beaumont,
I'm
not
sure,
okay,
but
these
properties
have
also
been
given
the
right
to
build
per
permits
through
the
city
and
things
like
that
without
any
advisory
that
hey
we're
living
in
an
illegal
subdivision.
Okay,
so
my
name
is
scott
holloman.
I
represent
fig
acres
of
state
and
its
residents
formerly
owned
by
aj
fasulo
and
his
spouse.
M
I
bought
my
home
in
april
of
2017
and
when
I
purchased
my
home,
I
was
informed
that
the
roads
were
private,
but
they
were
in
the
process
of
having
the
city
of
beaumont
take
over
maintenance
because
the
previous
owners
had
been
deceased
after
three
years.
I
started
to
investigate
and
to
determine
what
the
hold
up
was.
M
I
discovered
that
it
had
been
bogged
down
and
red
tape,
and
so
I
got
involved
to
see
if
I
could
help
at
that
point.
I
found
some
disturbing
news.
I
found
out
for
the
first
time
that
it
had
been
deemed
in
a
legal
subdivision,
which
I
had
never
heard
that
term
before.
That
was
the
first
time
for
me
and
I
was
shocked
that
the
taxes
were
still
being
collected
from
the
residents
of
the
fig
acres
of
states
and
then
they
were
calling
it
an
illegal
subdivision
so
that
no
improvements
had
to
be
done.
M
So
for
60
years
the
residents
have
been
given
taxes
and
for
60
years
they've
never
received
any
ditch
improvements
or
any
road
improvements
of
any
kind,
so
that
I
found
alarming
and
I
know
that
the
initial
cost
will
be
expensive.
I
realize
that
I
don't.
I
don't
think
the
maintenance
will
be
very
much
at
all,
since
we
have
12
residents.
You
know
there's
no
through
streets
on
the
back
side,
so
there's
no
through
traffic
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
do
understand
that
that
would
be
a
significant
amount.
M
M
M
No
sir,
I
went
through
stewart
title
company
and
I
was
told
by
the
you
know
the
residents
in
the
in
the
neighborhood
that
their
streets
were
private
but
that
they
were
in
the
process
of
getting
the
city
to
take
over
maintenance
of
them
and
that
you
know
after
three
years
I
was
like.
I
know
things
move
slow
down
here,
but
after
three
years
I
was
like.
M
What's
the
hold
up,
you
know
what's
going
on,
and
so
when
I
got
involved,
I
am
a
surveyor,
and
so
at
that
point
that's
when
I
I
tried
to
take
it
the
rest
of
the
way
so
that
we
could
get
here
and
have
a
meeting
with
y'all,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
you
all
asking
all
the
questions
before
to
me.
It
means
you
care,
you
know,
because
I
care
I'd
like
to
pass
this
home
on
to
my
children.
You
know
what
I
mean
in
not
this
big
mess.
J
O
M
Word
of
mouth:
yes
ma'am
it
was,
they
were
in
the
process
and
then
they
they
got
bogged
down.
At
some
point,
I
think
it
was
with
getting
all
the
owners
because
I
had
to
get
every
owner
that
owns
a
piece
of
property
out.
There
sign
a
petition
in
order
to
get
this
ball
rolling.
You
know,
and
a
few
of
these
lots
are
vacant
and
no
one
knew
who
owned
them.
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
I
had
to
go
on
to
the
website.
M
P
D
E
E
Alternative
other
than
making
a
public
street
that
benefits
them
as
already
being
purchases
of
the
property.
I'm
assuming
that
you
said
most
of
your
main
issue
is,
if
it
flood
and
there's
not
proper
drainage.
Yes,
sir,
and
the
question
I'm
asking
is:
is
there
options?
I
know
that
one
was
to
deny
it.
One
of
them
was
to
take
it
back
to
the
public
works
and
having
to
rework
to
find
out
if
there
are
some
other
options.
Yes,
sir,.
D
We
we,
the
city,
cannot
go
on
private
property
and
make
those
kinds
of
improvements,
and
so,
in
my
mind,
to
answer
your
question.
Those
would
be
the
three
options
the
city
council
will
ultimately
decide
approve,
deny-
or
maybe
you
know-
approve
with
some
kind
of
acceptable
level
of
infrastructure
improvement,
but
that
would
be
up
for
the
ultimately
city
council
to
decide.
M
And
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
confused
about
is
that
aj
fasulo
and
his
spouse
have
been
gone
for
just
out
the
10
years.
There's
been
no
property
taxes
paid
on
these
roads
in
10
years.
If
I
had
a
house
on
it,
they'd
have
foreclosed
on
it
already.
They'd
have
taken
it
from
me.
The
only
the
only
reason
that
I
can
come
up
with
is
that
they
know
it
would
cost
money
to
get
them
up
to
code.
So
that's
why
they
don't
want
them
and
which
leaves
us
stranded.
You
know.
B
D
D
The
only
thing
I
recall
is
one
of
the
residents-
maybe
you
maybe
six
or
seven
years
ago
had
asked
about.
You
know
what?
What
is
the
process
to
convey
it
to
be
a
public
street?
And
again
we
talked
about
the
process
was
a
little
different,
but
it
was
a
similar
where
the
neighbors
would
have
to
sign
a
petition
and
apply
and
it
would
go
through
a
process,
but
again
it
was
never.
D
D
That
basically
says
we
hereby
convey
these
streets
to
the
public,
but
there's
no
indication
that
the
city
was
participating
in
that
at
all
and
and
it
in
the
city,
and
it
was
in
within
the
city
at
that
time.
So
I
think
they
got
it
recorded,
but
we
have
no
indication
that
there's
any
any
validity
to
it.
Regards
this.
P
D
Yes,
sir,
that's
correct.
So
let's
say
the
city
council
did
accept
it.
There
is
no
obligation
for
us
to
rush
out
and
make
any
improvements.
When
we've
had
a
few
of
these
in
the
past,
as
we
explained
to
those
applicants,
you
know
you
get
added
to
the
list
of
the
other
800
miles
of
streets
in
the
city
of
beaumont.
G
D
A
Okay,
as
this
is
a
public
hearing,
if
anyone
wishes
to
speak
for
or
against
they
may
do
so.
Please
limit
your
comments
to
three.
Q
Name
is
kevin:
I'm
resident
of
2411
west
calder
road
previously
24.99,
mr
holloman's
home.
It
was
not
until
after
I
had
already
purchased
property
out
there.
The
2411
lot
that
I
was
informed
of
the
illegal
subdivision
and
started
learning
more
and
more
about
that
a
lot
of
stuff
has
been
covered.
This
has
been
a
great
presentation.
Q
I
think
what
I'm
actually
here
to
ask
for,
because
I'm
a
realist.
I
know
I've
got
a
good
idea
of
the
expense
that
the
city's
looking
at
to
take
over
these
private
roads
by
the
way
the
private
roadside.
I
put
up
simply
to
limit
the
number
of
people
that
would
drive
down
that
street
at
40
miles
an
hour
tearing
the
roads
up
just
to
get
to
the
dead
end
turn
around
and
drive
40
miles
an
hour
back
out
I'll
rip
it
down.
Q
What
I
think
I
would
truly
like
to
see
is
if
the
council
and
your
time
I
know
y'all's
time-
is
very
valuable.
Come
out
to
our
neighborhood
visit.
See
for
yourself
there's
basically
two
or
three
open
lots
where
they're
they're
not
there
for
commercial
development,
they're
privately
owned
one
by
the
fosulo
estate,
another
by
another
gentleman.
Q
I
ask
why,
then,
if
it's
an
illegal
subdivision
or
is
the
city
issuing
building
permits
which
he
he
gave
me
a
pretty
cheesy
answer?
I
thought
in
the
fact
that
well,
if
you
choose
to
build
here,
that's
your
problem,
not
the
cities,
I
think,
by
issuing
building
permits,
the
city
has
accepted
responsibility
for
that
property
out
there
in
developing
it
collecting
our
taxes.
Q
At
the
the
least.
Please
come
visit.
Try
to
help
us
figure
out
how
to
improve
the
drainage.
We
can
keep
fixing
the
roads
with
bags
of
rock
from
sutherlands.
That's
how
I'm
doing
it
right
now
out
of
my
pocket,
mr
holloman
does
it.
We
just
need
help
and
I
appreciate
anything
y'all
could
do
for
us.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
R
R
Those
roads
were
limestone
roads
about
15
years
ago
that
were
in
about
the
same
shape.
Ours
was
in,
and
city
came
out
there
and
asphalted
those
roads
back
then
now
those
roads
are
holding
up
pretty
doggone
good.
I
think
I
passed
by
there
every
day
and
see
them
and
when
they
also
pave
those
roads,
they
went
in
there
and
scraped
out
the
ditches
and
improved
the
drainage
there,
and
my
question
to
you
is:
why
is
that
neighborhood,
more
of
an
advantage
than
ours
is
to
those
people?
S
My
name's,
my
name's
james
falver,
I
live
at
2437,
west
calder
and
we
built
our
house
back
in
2003
and,
of
course
you
know
the
roads
were,
you
know
not
the
best,
but
I've
been
down
many
of
roads
at
the
south
end
of
beaumont
that
are
no
wider
than
that
or
blacktop
that
are
maintained
by
the
city
and
everything
and
which
you.
S
S
Of
course
it
don't
last
long,
it
gets
tore
up,
but
I
spent
probably
fifteen
hundred
dollars
last
year
on
the
road,
but
the
thing
of
it
is
you
know
it's
not
our
fault,
the
city
annexed
it
back
in
the
30s
or
whatever,
and
they
never
came
in
and
made
it
right
and
there
never
has
been.
As
far
as
I
know,
any
type
of
gates
denying
access
to
anybody
to
drive
down
those
roads.
S
We
have
a
gas
main
running
down
the
road.
There's
electrical
service,
tv
telephone.
All
that
the
only
thing
is
the
water
meters
are
all
out
on
west
calder
and
I
had
to
pay
a
bunch
of
money
to
get
my
you
know.
Water
line
for
my
house
run
out
there,
that's
probably
about
400
foot,
but
I
just
would
like
you
know,
equal
representation.
You
know
I'm
paying
full
taxes.
I
want,
you
know
the
benefits
of
being
a
citizen.
S
You
know
it's
not
like
we're
trying
to
pull
anything.
We
don't
expect
the
street
to
be
curbed
and
guttered
or
anything
like
that.
Just
come
out
there
patch
a
few
holes
and
my
main
problem
is
the
drainage
I
don't
want
to
get
water.
In
my
house,
I
killed
a
three
foot:
water
moccasin
right
by
my
front
door,
the
other
day
trying
to
eat
up
my
wife's
two
little
yorkies,
and
just
you
know
it's
it's
bad
out
there.
S
G
E
G
E
E
S
Q
A
O
My
name
is
katherine
falver.
I
live
at
2437,
west
calder.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
did
talk
to
a
gentleman
from
the
city
he
came
out
and
we
walked
up
and
down
the
streets
and
we
talked
and
I've
lived
out
there,
all
my
life
I
lived.
I
grew
up
in
the
next
block.
O
O
The
other
problem
next
to
our
house
is
a
vacant
lot
and
the
gentleman
came
in
and
he
built
it
up
so
far
that
I
literally
have
a
lake
in
my
backyard
and
we've
had
to
dig
trenches
to
make
sure
the
water
gets
drained.
Luckily,
we
don't
have
the
water
we're
closer
up
to
west
calder,
so
we
don't
have
our
water
that
drains
pretty
well.
But
if
you
go
to
the
back,
those
water
in
the
ditches
is
what
you
see
for
at
least
two
months
after
it
rains
it
never
drains.
T
A
T
2415
west
calder
road.
Thank
you.
I've
been
a
resident
of
that
addition
for
55
years,
and
I
was
told
that
I'm
an
oil
company
and
they
were
still
in
that
pumping
station.
When
I
built
my
home,
there
was
down
south
okay
just
a
little
bit
south
and
that
property
was
initially
their
employees.
T
T
Still
I
have
a
large
area
in
my
lawn
that
will
not
ever
keep
grass
growing
because
it
has
shell
under
it
and
the
shell
burns
the
grass
up,
okay,
anyway,
that's
how
that
addition
was
originally
developed
and
when
someone
else
after
they
almost
got
rid
of
their
housing
project,
someone
else
purchased
that
property,
and
I
don't
know
who
that
was,
but
it
was
when
alma
all
had
it.
T
T
Right
then,
for
some.
C
A
T
Well,
what
I
would
like
to
know
is
what
can
be
done
and
we've
all
discussed
that,
but
I
was
25
years
old,
but
I
secured
that
property
okay
and
when
my
husband
and
I
were
able
to
get
the
property
and
get
established
with
the
builder
and
the
builder
went
down
and
got
the
permit.
Why
weren't
we
told
at
that
time
if
the
laws
are
rules
of
the
planning,
division
or
the
city
of
beaumont?
Why
weren't
we
advised
that
that
was
an
illegal
addition.
T
I
only
found
this
out
probably
three
years
ago
and
I've
been
living
out
there
55
years,
were
there
not
these
rules
in
effect,
at
the
time
my
home
was
built
that
the
that
the
city
had
these
certain
codes
and
everything
that
had
to
be
followed
if
they
were
not
in
effect,
then
why
am
I
being
penalized
and
I
can't
get
any
services
for
the
tax
money
I
paid
for
55
years,
where's.
D
So
just
a
couple,
quick
thoughts
is,
as
you
can
see,
and
as
you
mentioned,
it
looks
like.
Maybe
this
was
housing
for
humboldt
employees.
Perhaps
so
a
couple
things
one
with
these
being
platted
lots
in
the
1920s
they
were,
they
would
be
to
some
extent
grandfathered
because
they
were
platted
prior
to
us
ever
having
a
planning
commission
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
it
was
annexed
in
the
1950s.
D
It
had
housing
on
it,
and
so
again
it's
from
our
zoning
ordinance.
If
you
had
a
home
on
the
property
it
can,
you
can
always
put
a
home
back
because
essentially
it's
grandfathered,
so
you
have
those
rights,
although
you,
although
the
streets,
aren't
public,
you
have
the
right
to
build
and
rebuild
on
that
property.
D
But
again
it's
it's
kind
of
buyer.
Beware,
and
I
think
you,
you
answered
our
question.
That
sounds
like
this
was
a
humble
oil
or
some
oil
field.
Again,
if
you
zoom
out
it's
oil
field,
it
looked
like
a
lot.
A
lot
of
drilling
was
out
there
and
then
again
we
saw
this
area
and
it's
the
only
thing
that
was
developed
out
there.
D
D
T
A
T
But
I
would
just
like
to
to
be
able
to
understand
why
we're
paying
taxes
on
a
property
that
is
legal
is
illegal,
that
our
homes
are
on
what's
happening
with
our
tax
money,
we're
not
getting
any
benefit
from
it.
T
I
I
G
A
All
right,
I'm
done.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
see
anybody
else,
so
we're
going
to
go
and
close
the
public
hearing
we
can
have
we
the
board,
can
have
discussion.
I
was
going
to
make
a
comment
that
in
the
over
a
decade
I've
been
on
this
board.
We've
had
several
of
these
and
I
think
the
concern
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
somebody,
I
think
the
concern
is
you
don't
want
people
just
going
around
saying?
Oh,
I
want
to
be
private
and
then,
as
soon
as
it's
inconvenient,
turning
it
over
to
the
city.
A
A
C
J
So
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
on
pz
2021
243,
to
send
it
back
to
public
works,
to
consider
other
alternatives
on
how
to
move
forward
with
this
issue
that
the
citizens
there
are
facing.
I
do
believe
that
at
least
deserves
an
opportunity
to
present
an
alternative
before
moving
forward
with
making
a
final
decision
before
we
send
it
over
to
city
council.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
any
further
discussion
on
the
board.
No
you!
Okay,
all
in
favor,
yes,.
J
D
Okay,
pz2021
284
is
to
consider
a
request
for
a
rezoning
of
a
portion
of
the
property
that
is
rs
residential
single
family
to
gcmd
general
commercial
multi-family
dwelling
2,
with
a
specific
use
permit
to
allow
to
allow
a
convenience
store,
restaurant
and
gas
station
for
the
property
at
40,
50,
magnolia
avenue.
D
Okay,
george
charlton
is
requesting
a
rezoning
of
this
property
to
allow
a
convenience
store
and
gas
station.
The
proposed
building
would
be
approximately
6
000
square
feet.
Half
would
be
occupied
by
a
convenience
store
with
deli
and
be
open
from
7
a.m,
to
11
p.m,
sunday
through
thursday
and
7
a.m,
to
midnight
friday
and
saturday.
D
D
Here
the
issue
we've
got
is
they
want
to
develop
a
convenience
store
restaurant
on
the
entire
property
which
spills
over
into
this
single
family
property?
Behind
there.
D
D
D
Okay,
one
thing:
adina:
can
you
turn
it
back
to
the
site
plan?
Please
one
thing
I'll
go
ahead
and
mention
on
for
the
benefit
of
the
applicant
is
that
no
landscaping
is
shown
on
the
proposed
site
plan.
Eight
foot
wooden
privacy
fence
or
ten
foot
wide
landscape
buffer
will
be
required
along
the
east
and
south
lot
property
lines
because
of
the
butt's
residential
zoning
property.
D
D
And
so,
based
on
this
proposal,
staff
is
recommending
approval,
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
landscaping
is
required
to
meet
the
city
ordinances
number
two
construction
plans
must
meet
all
requirements
by
water
utilities
for
water
and
sanitary
sewer
improvements,
including
any
requirements
of
the
city's
backflow,
pre-treatment
and
or
fog
program.
That's
the
fats,
oils
and
grease
program
and
then
finally,
number
three
no
permanent
structure
is
allowed
to
be
constructed.
On
top
of
the
sanitary
sewer
easement.
That's
that
green
line.
D
D
This
is
from
patricia
bradley
johnson
and
she
states
I'm
not
in
favor,
because
I
think
we
have
enough
convenience
stores
on
magnolia
and
one
gas
station
is
plenty
for
the
area,
so
that
was
one
in
opposition.
But
again,
based
on
the
application
we
are,
staff
is
recommending
approval
subject
to
those
three
conditions
with
that.
Are
there
any
questions
of
staff.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
boone.
My
name
is
rahil
moradia.
The
address
is
4519
sterling
woodway,
houston,
texas.
I
am
on
behalf
of
mr
draw
mr
george
charlton,
and
the
address
in
question
is
4050
magnolia.
It
is
actually
the
intersection
of
magnolia
and
lasalle
street,
as
you
can
see
up
there.
H
One
thing
I
would
like
to
point
out,
as
in
terms
of
right-of-way
and
entries
there
is
a
proposed
entry
based
off
of
magnolia,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
it
might
be
visible
and
based
on
the
the
conditions
that
the
planning
department
has
put
in
for
regarding
the
sanitary
sewer
easement,
the
only
option
for
the
development
of
this
property
would
be
to
convert
the
the
the
areas
of
the
property
that
are
currently
stated
as
residential
to
commercial
or
general,
commercial
or
general
usage,
because
we
have
to
set
back
the
building
further
back
because
of
the
sanitary
sewer
easement.
H
H
However,
they
some
of
them
the
current
gas
stations
and
fuel
stations
that
are
in
the
area,
are
in
some
decrepit
conditions
and
or
based
on
flooding
that
happens
periodically
and
the
general
lack
of
maintenance
allows
for
just
product-
that's
not
safe
for
cars
and
for
residents,
and
there
are
other
developments
that
we
would
like
to
bring
in
potentially
possibly
with
a
restaurant
and
a
gas
station,
it
would
potentially
be
a
washington
service
as
well.
That
would
allow
the
local
residents
to
use
that
service.
I
think
that's
all
I
had
to
cover.
H
There
is
going
to
be
a
fast
food
restaurant
component,
built
into
that
as
well.
Along
with
that,
we'll
have
a
separate
entity
that
will
be
a
as
pointed
out
by
mr
boone
that
we
have
lease
spaces
that
will
be
available
for
restaurants
and
or
washitaria
to
come
in
is.
H
Absolutely
absolutely
one
of
the
things
we
like
to
do
in
our
businesses
is
to
apply
for
vig
and
food
stamp,
like
the
ability
to
accept
those
and
one
of
their
recommend,
one
of
their
one
of
the
conditions
that
come
with.
That
is,
you
have
to
supply
eggs,
bread,
like
certain
perishable
food
items
that
you
have
to
carry
milk
and
such
and
we
do
like
to.
We
do
understand
the
when
we
see
the
area
and
and
the
lack
of
development.
H
There
is
some,
but
there
is
still
a
lack
and
you
notice
the
food.
Yes,
absolutely
it's
there
and
we
like
to
do
something
about
it
and
we
have
a
limited
experience
but
experience
nonetheless,
developing
properties
in
houston,
like
makava
area
neighborhoods,
and
with
similar
situations
where
it
used
to
be
a
food
desert,
and
our
goal
is
to
bring
in
some
services,
along
with
food
prop,
like
restaurants,
basically
you're
welcome.
Thank
you.
A
We'll
let
you
come
forward
in
a
minute
now.
That's
the.
H
To
have
a
separate
building
for
the
convenience
store
altogether
and
the
other,
depending
on
how
much
space
we
have
and
how
much
we
can
based
on
parking
lot
restrictions
and
other
restrictions
the
planning
department
might
have.
We
will
determine
how
how
large
the
secondary
building
might
be
with
other
with
tenants
that
we
would
have
whenever
they
apply,
for
it.
H
Yes,
and
no
because
yes,
the
convenience
store
is
going
to
be
there,
but
it
just
depends
based
on
what
the
remaining
square
footage
is.
So
if
we
have
remaining
3
000
square
footage,
perhaps-
and
we
want
to
divide
it
up
into
maybe
two
two
businesses
or
let's
say
we
get
a
business
that
wants
to
release
the
entire
space.
Then
we
could
just
do
that.
G
H
Whatever
the
city
planning
department
would,
I
presume,
based
on
my
experience,
developing
properties
in
other
municipalities,
it's
whatever
the
local
municipality
or
the
the
governing
agency
dictates.
If
they
want
us
to
do
open
ditches,
then
we
would
have
open
ditches
or
if
they
want
us
to
go
ahead
and
seal
it
with
culverts
and
landscape.
Above
it
that's
something
we
would
do.
I
feel
like
that's
something
that
would
be
addressed
later
on
in
the
planning
and
development
process.
Once
we
have
a
flight.
G
H
A
You
do
understand
that
the
the
three
conditions.
H
Yeah
well,
city
of
houston.
Yes,
we
have
just
concluded
a
project.
We
are
also
starting
a
project
in
city
of
sugarland.
It's
in
a
it's.
It's
in
the
it's
shopping
center
general
restaurant
type,
development,
it's
a
12
10
to
12,
000
square
feet,
development,
we're
taking
we're
accepting
bids
from
contractors
currently
for
that
project.
But
we
haven't
started.
G
W
H
H
H
Of
course,
and-
and
thank
you
so
much-
I-
I
really
appreciate
your
feedback
on
that
and,
and
we
definitely,
I
think
our
main
goal
is
to
provide
a
based
on
the
area
as
a
grocery
store
type
of
a
product,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
residents
residences
should
be
able
to
get
their
basic
supplies.
H
I
am
not
saying
that
we're
going
to
bring
in
a
brand
new
heb
or
a
kroger
or
anything
like
that.
No,
but
their
essential
services
should
be
there
and
obviously
this
it's
a
challenge.
We
have
to
play
based
on
square
footage
and
other
services
that
we
would
like
to
essentially
bring
in
just
to
enhance
the
experience
for
the
residences.
A
X
A
H
A
C
C
D
Given
the
multiple,
multiple
applications
and
site
plans
approved
at
this
site,
I'm
going
to
attempt
to
go
through
the
history
and
it's
it's
a
little
detailed.
But
I
want
to
share
share
that
with
you.
Given
the
fact
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
concern
on
this
about
this
site-
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
the
full
history
so
that
you
have
that
so
back
in
february
of
2011
darlene
hannah
was
approved
for
revised,
specific
use
permit
at
this
location
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
show
you
that
site
plan.
D
But
before
I
do,
I
want
to
show
you.
This
is
the
site
plan
site
in
question
outlined
in
red,
familiar
calder
to
the
south
west
lucas
to
the
west,
and
this
is
a
rather
current.
This
is
a
current
aerial
photograph,
so
you
can
see
there's
this
residential
drive
here
and
we
believe
that
this
originally
was
west
lucas
and
then
it
was
straightened
out
with
this
project,
and
so
this
pr,
this
area
was
kind
of
left
over
for
development,
and
so
here's
this
portion
of
west
lucas
drive
here
you'll
notice.
D
D
Okay,
so
in
february
of
2011
darlene
hannah
was
approved
for
revised,
specific
use,
permit
this
location,
and
this
before
you
is
the
2011
application,
and
you
can
see
there
were
no
curb
cut
requests
to
either
segment
of
this
section
of
west
lucas.
But
there
was
a
circulation
pattern
around
the
building.
D
D
During
construction
and
then
you'll
see,
this
is
2017.,
so
the
sites
develop
mostly
here
but
with
the
additional
drive
okay
in
december
2020
plans
were
submitted
for
preliminary
review
of
the
interior,
build
out
of
a
cookie
shop.
That's
the
one
in
question.
The
cookie
shop
is
one
of
the
tenant
spaces
here,
okay,
but
the
plans
that
were
submitted
did
not
reflect
any
additional
driveways
or
curb
cuts
to
the
street
to
the
east.
D
D
In
july
of
this
year,
the
applicant
was
completing
the
build
out
of
a
new
of
the
cookie
company
when
he
submitted
plans
for
an
additional
driveway
onto
the
north
cul-de-sac
behind
the
building
for
a
new
drive-through
window,
this
permit
for
the
new
curb
cut
was
denied,
as
it
was
shown
not
shown.
Rather
on
the
2011
sup
site
plan.
D
The
applicant
then
applied
for
an
amended
2000,
an
amendment
to
the
2011
sup,
to
request
approval
of
the
new
second
driveway,
along
with
the
quenchy's
driveway,
and
let
me
show
you
this
so
this
is
you
many
of
you
all
recall.
This
is
the
august
2021
request
for
a
site
plan
showing
the
existing
quenchy's
driveway
and
again.
Quenchies
is
a
snow
cone
shop
here
and
the
traffic
essentially
stacks
here
along
east
west
lucas
comes
through
this
driveway,
the
pickup
window
and
out,
and
so
in
conjunction
with
the
cookie
company
in
august
2021.
D
So
that
was
what
was
approved.
Excuse
me
reviewed
in
august
of
2021
and
basically,
what
ended
up
happening
is
the
city
council
approved
the
room,
the
retention
of
this
curb
cut
for
service
quincy
and
the
shopping
center,
but
denied
an
additional
curb
cut
to
this
segment
of
lucas,
and
so
that's
where
it
stood
at
the
end
of
august.
D
Here,
behind
the
building
and
again
the
you
can
see
the
circulation
pattern
would
be
in
a
counterclockwise
motion
going
behind
the
building
accessing
the
cookie
window
here
going
through
and
then
probably
exiting
in
a
counterclockwise
motion
here.
So
no
additional
curb
cut
but
an
additional
drive
again
as
site
plants.
Sups
are
sight
plane
specific.
That's
why
it's
coming
back
to
you
today.
D
D
Let
me
go
ahead
and
show
you
some
photographs
of
the
subject
property
again.
The
cookie
company,
I
believe,
is
going
here.
It's
the
second
tenant
space
there
quenchies
being
here
on
the
end
okay.
So
this
is
a
view
to
the
east
and
the
proposed
idea
is
to
wrap
the
driveway
around
between.
Well.
This
end
of
the
building
going
back
behind
here's
the
view
looking
north.
So
if
you
were
coming
along
the
cookie
window's
going
to
be
here.
D
D
D
D
D
D
I
think
this
would
cause
a
lot
of
congestion
and
confusion
of
traffic
flow
and
then
again
I
mentioned
there's
one
in
favor,
kathy
dawn
of
5145
browning.
Just
saying
please
allow
the
added
drive
this
area
is
too
congested
congested
without
it,
and
then
there
was
yeah
one
from
sahela
najad.
I
think
they
own
properties
in
the
area,
they're
pro
opposed
to
the
new
drive
application.
There's
already
two
illegal
drives
this
property
and
allowing
this
drive
will
create
large
traffic
at
daddios
drive
in
an
already
traffic
jam
at
quenchy's.
D
D
So
again,
what
is
being
proposed
is
not
an
additional
curb
cut,
but
is
again
an
additional
drive
through
engineering
has
provided
those
comments
again
trying
to
mitigate
any
any
conflict
within
the
site
or
any
conflict
spilling
out
off
of
the
site
onto
the
road.
So,
based
on
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
amended
specific
use
permit
with
the
following
conditions:
number
one:
the
driveway
for
the
drive-through
must
be
one-way.
D
Only
and
parking
lots
should
be
marked
with
one-way
arrows
number
two
pavement
at
the
intersection
of
the
true
drive
two
drives
should
be
marked
and
signed
to
discourage
the
blocking
of
traffic
coming
from
the
new
driveway
and
then
number
three
driveway
shall
be
a
minimum
of
10
foot
in
width,
and
we
would
like
to
add
the
one
caveat
to
that
is.
There
is
some
question
as
to
whether
or
not
what
are
the
exact
dimensions
of
the
site
plan
as
it
relates
to
the
property
lines.
D
E
Yes,
sir,
coming
to
the
back
side
of
that
building-
and
you
said,
you're
gonna
put
a
driveway
on
the
back
10
feet.
Is
there
a
line
between
a
building
and
a
driveway
or
offset
line
or
footage,
or
can
it
be
right
next
to
the
building.
D
So
there's
no
setback,
there's
no
driveway
setback
from
the
building
required
our
and,
as
mentioned,
we
do
want
to
make
sure
it's
at
least
10
feet
wide,
the
driveway
and
there's
not
a
setback
from
the
property
line
to
the
east.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
the
driveway
is
not
on
the
property
line,
or
at
least
we
don't.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
not
in
the
city
right
away.
So
to
answer
your
question:
it
can
be
right
up
against
the
building
and
it
and
it
can
be
right
on
the
property
line.
E
D
We
don't
believe
so
again
it's
if
you
can
imagine
the
cars
driving
around
in
this
direction,
lining
up
with
the
building
utilizing
the
the
takeout
window.
Here
this
you
know,
there's
no
access
here,
there's
no
sidewalk,
I
don't
believe,
and
so
there's
a
pretty
good
distance
between
the
drive
and
the
pavement
edge,
which
is
which
is
over
here.
So
I
don't
believe,
there's
any.
There
would
be
any
conflict
between
these
two.
D
D
Some
of
them
were,
yes,
I
think
the
the
first
one
I
read,
I
think
they
owned
three
houses.
D
D
Maybe
go
to
the
photographs,
please:
well
maybe
the
photographs,
the
from
the
ground,
the
other
other
direction,
please
yep,
yep,
so
yeah,
so
in
terms
of
utilities,
public
utilities-
I
don't
know
that
we
have
that
in
the
shown
in
the
site
plan.
But
again
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
asking
for
a
licensed
survey
to
make
sure
that
there's
not
an
issue,
but
I
would
expect
that
there
are
it's
not
an
issue.
D
But
again,
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
between
the
you
know
the
edge
of
the
building
and
the
you
can
see
the
edge
of
the
cul-de-sac
there.
It
is
fairly
close,
but
to
answer
your
question:
there's
not
a
setback
for
the
driveway,
but
we
again
we
want
to
have
that
survey
to
make
sure
that
the
driveway
is
wide
enough
and
not
on
city
property.
A
And
traffic
doesn't
think
this
is
going
to
cause
a
backup
on
that
section
of
west
lucas
headed
toward
quincy's,
because
if
I
recall
correctly
when
we
sorry,
if
I
recall
correctly
when
we
originally
approved
this
traffic,
was
the
concern
at
that
time.
Now
that
you
have
two
drive-through
windows
is
traffic
concerned
that
it's
going
to
back
up.
D
A
D
So
because
again,
the
stacking,
the
stacking
of
these
cars
for
the
cookie
company
is
going
to
be
all
within
their
property,
so
it
should
not
appear
interfere
with
west
lucas.
The
only
concern,
I
think
from
their
point
of
view,
and
ours
was
that
if
you
know
if,
if
quenchy's
customers
lined
up
as
they're
going
west,
the
worst
case
is
going
to
block
cookie
customers
from
going
north,
which
is
not
going
to
cause
a
problem
for
the
street.
If
it
were
the
other
way
around,
then
I
think
there'd
be
more
concerns.
A
D
K
D
Oh
I'm,
okay,
I
see
that's
what
I'm
saying
this
south
southern
gotcha
gotcha,
okay,
the
parking
and
the
way
there's
like
a
car
across
okay,
so
one
clarification
yeah.
You
have
to
not
don't
come
in
this
curb
cut,
but
come
in
this
curb
cut,
so
you'd
come
down
and
then
you
get
in
line
here.
Thank
you.
So
again,
the
idea
behind
traffic
with
these
comments
is
to
try
to
mitigate
the
conflict
here.
But
again,
if
there
is
conflict
because
quenches
is
blocking
this,
it's
going
to
back
up
in
their
property,
not.
W
W
B
G
D
Slow
the
cookie
pickup
situation,
but
it
shouldn't
in
any
way
delay
quenchies
traffic
because
yeah,
so
it
anyway,
we
just
think
it
may
delay
the
cookies,
but
not
the
quenching.
That's
our
thoughts!
Yes,.
A
K
D
Z
Yes,
my
name
is
brian
dunigan
at
1910,
21st,
street
beaumont,
texas,
and
the
first
time
we
come
in.
I
understand
what
they
were
trying
to
say.
We
couldn't
go
into
a
residential
area.
Now,
all
the
traffic
that
from
my
cookie
company
will
be
on
my
property.
It
does
not
affect
the
city
in
any
way.
We're
talking
about
crossing
every
business
in
beaumont
texas
has
a
crossing
people.
You
let
this
car
go
the
next
car
go.
If
we
have
a
stop
sign,
the
people
stop.
Z
One
car
goes
out,
we
open
friday
and
it
takes
approximately
three
minutes
to
get
somebody's
order
ready.
So
by
the
time,
every
car
would
leave
out
every
three
minutes,
but
all
the
congestion
would
be
in
my
it
would
be
my
problem.
It
wouldn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
city.
It
don't
affect
any
any
backup,
like
I
said
while
ago,
chick-fil-a
on
college
street
the
new
ones
there
they're
backed
up
on
the
feeder
road,
so
everywhere,
there's
congestion.
Z
V
Z
Parking
lot,
you
know
it's
everywhere,
there's
crossings.
All
this
does
like
I
said,
and
in
2011
we
already
got
approved
for
this
circle
on
there.
We
just
did
not
pour
it
in
2011.
We
just
waited,
you
know
until
the
building's
re
rented
out
and
if
we
needed
it,
it
was
already
approved.
Am
I
correct
with
the
circle
it.
D
Z
Z
Engineering
gave
him
a
gave
him
a
permit
to
pour
it
that,
that's
all
we
knew
about
it.
We
didn't
know
we,
we
didn't
drop
the
ball
on
where
it
was
supposed
to
go.
If
it
was
supposed
to
go
in
front
of
y'all,
they
toured
the
driveway,
they
came
out
and
inspected
the
driveway,
and
that
was
the
last.
We.
Z
Z
We
just
did
not
pour
that
at
the
time
two
reasons
we
built
this
out
of
pocket
budget,
so
why
pour
it
put
the
back
drive
in
if
no
one
was
going
to
use
it?
Well
now
that
we
open
this
business
up
well,
now
we're
going
to
use
it,
but
we
already
were
approved
for
it.
We
just
was
not
approved
for
the
driveway.
Z
Came
in
and
got
because
we
told
them
if
you
want
to
put
a
driveway,
you
go
to
the
city
and
you
deal
with
the
city.
So
that's
what
they
did
now,
just
because
it
didn't
go
in
front
of
planting
and
zoning.
They
still
got
a
permit.
They
still
got
a
permit
to
put
it
in
it.
Just
wasn't
I
mean
it.
I
understand
I've
been
I'm
in
the
construction
business.
Sometimes
things
fall
through
the
loopholes,
but
that
ain't
that
that.
Why
is
that?
Stopping
me
from
putting
in
what
was
already
approved
in
2011.?
Z
All
the
traffic
is
going
to
be
on
my
property.
It
don't
affect
the
city,
I'm
not
cutting
the
curb
out,
I'm
not
affecting
the
rent
houses
in
the
back
of
us.
That's
all
that
is
behind
us
of
rent
houses
and
that
so
it's
not
affecting
them
in
any
way,
and
that's
the
only
one
that's
complaining
about
it.
Z
Any
questions
for
me
because
I
met
when
I
met
with
three
or
four
different
officials
with
the
city
of
beaumont
and
they
came
out
and
looked
at
it.
There
is
a
proper
enough
distance
between
the
curb,
as
you
were,
asking
there's
26
feet
from
the
back
of
my
building
to
the
cul-de-sac,
like
I
said,
I'll
get
a
servant,
but
this
what
what
the
drawing
that
is,
that
is,
the
survey
by
fitz
and
shipment,
is
what
the
drawing
is
on.
Z
No,
it
don't
come
in
it's
a
little
bit
different.
The
only
there's,
no
there's
no
difference
in
the
circle
in
the
circle
of
what
they're
going
to
go
clock
counterclockwise.
The
only
thing
that's
different
is
the
quincy's.
Driveway
is
the
only
thing
that's
different
from
the
original
plans.
This
is
not
going,
I'm
not
even
going
to
lose
one
parking
spot
from
where
this
is
growing
up
and
he,
mr
boone,
I
mean
boom,
come
out
and
looked
at
it
when
man,
mister
boy
boyd
walked
out
there
with
me
on
site.
Z
Z
Z
But
we
had
to
we
had
to
to
do
something
different,
I'm
50
000
into
this
building
right
here
I
had
to
do
something
different,
so
we
made
it
to
where
they
could
come
in
order
their
cookies
and
go
back.
There's
no
seating
in
the
building,
but
I'm
just
that's
what
I
did
I
mean
I
did
a
thousand
customers
this
week.
Okay,.
AA
My
name
is
eugenia
coffin
and
I
live
at
39.99
north
street.
The
comments
on
the
mr
boone
read
were
mine.
He
didn't
read
all
of
them.
I
know
they
were
lengthy.
I
hope
you
all
looked
at
them.
AA
The
applicant
keeps
talking
about
this,
the
effect
on
the
city.
I
don't
think
it
probably
has
that
much
effect
on
the
city.
It
does
have
an
effect
on
the
property
I
own,
and
if
you
have
that
picture
of
the
original
the
property
lines
I
own
four
and
a
half
lots
they
have.
You
know.
AA
That
shows
it
to
you
there,
mr
ramirez
owns
the
house
on
the
nor
the
top
lot
oops.
AA
He
owns
the
top
lot,
it's
not
a
rent
house.
He
lives
there.
It's
on
a
lot
and
a
half
the
next,
where
the
pool
is
that's
mr
ramirez's
house,
I
don't
know
if
he's
here
today
or
not,
but
on
the
next
slot
is
a
vacant
lot.
The
next
house
has
a
duplex
on
it.
The
next
house
has
a
residence
on
it
and
I'm
in
the
process
of
buying
the
next,
the
next
piece
of
property.
I've
improved
all
of
these
properties.
AA
They
are
rental
properties,
but
they
are
they're
being
managed
by
american
real
estate.
I've
put
a
lot
of
money
in
this.
I
think
the
in
my
comments,
I
said
you
know,
I
have
a
feeling.
Y'all
are
going
to
prove
this,
so
I
would
certainly
like
to
have
some
buffer
for
the
noise,
the
lights,
not
just
the
vehicles,
but
I
mean
all
those
properties.
Look
out
that
I
own
look
out
on
the
back
of
this
commercial
property.
AA
Put
up
a
fence
require
landscaping,
make
them
maintain
it.
You
know
you
don't
want
to
look
out
your
living
room
window,
whether
you're,
renting
or
not,
renting,
if
you're
paying
1200
a
month
for
a
a
one-bedroom
unit.
AA
You
know
you
still
don't
want
to
look
out
at
cars.
You
know
ordering
cookies
all
night
long.
I
don't
know
what
the
hours
of
operation
are
on
this,
the
light's
a
factor
once
it's.
You
know
it's
five
o'clock
here
when
daylight
saving
time
changes,
all
the
car
lights
are
going
to
be
on
it.
It's
just
there's,
there's
nothing.
AA
Even
though
planning-
and
you
know
the
the
staff
has
recommended
approval
of
this-
I
think
there
has
to
be
some
in
the
survey.
I
appreciate
that
because
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
buffer.
This
is
a
residential
street.
It
was
not
always
that,
as
mr
boone
pointed
out,
that
property
was
carved
out
when
lucas
changed.
That
was
many
many
years
ago.
This
was
a
neighborhood.
This
was
a
residential
property.
You
know
it
was
a
neighborhood.
AA
It
wasn't
ever
meant
to
have
the
back
of
a
commercial
building
face
these
these
properties,
and
I
just
have
a
real.
I
have
a
real
problem
with
this.
In
addition,
you
know
he
did
go
through
the
history
of
how
this
all
happened,
and
you
know
evidently
someone
dropped
the
ball
on
the
quincy's
driveway
and
you
know
y'all
approved
that
that's
that
was
probably
a
good.
You
know
I
mean
a
good
fix
to
that,
but
the
applicant
has
you
know
you
got
a
drive-thru
sign
up.
AA
Y'all
hadn't
approved
a
driveway
for
the
drive-thru.
Yet
yes,
he's
spending
money
on
stuff
that
he
has
drive
through
wendy's
drive-through
sign.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
lit
sign
is
you
know,
is
or
my
tenants
going
to
look
out
on
a
neon
flashing
drive
through
me?
I
don't
know,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
buffer
between
that
commercial
property
and
my
properties
that
I've
invested
a
lot
of
money
in.
A
D
Yeah
so
a
when
we
talk
about
fences
that
is
part
of
the
landscaping
ordinance
and
those
fences
are
only
required
when
a
commercial
property
or
industrial
property
is
abutting,
a
residential
property
and
in
the
ordinance
it
says
you
know
if
it's
separated
by
city,
city,
right-of-way
or
a
street,
that
buffer
is
not
required.
So
because
you
know
west
lucas
is
there
there's
no
landscaping
or
buffering
required
on
that
side
of
the
development.
A
X
Christie,
you
know
between
the
drive,
the
proposed
driveway
and
the
street.
Is
there
even
room
there
to
do
like
landscaping
as
in
a
hedgerow,
to
provide
that
buffer
between
those
residents?
Is
there
any
room
there.
D
D
A
Z
I,
like
oh
well,
the
hours
between
seven
and
seven
six
days
a
week
and
we're
going
to
be
off
on
sundays.
We
tried
this
sunday
to
see
how
just
see
how
it
worked,
but
the
sign
that
I
put
on
the
back
of
the
building
is
what
wouldn't
it
will
be
if,
if
it's
passed
for
drive
through
right
now,
is
I
put
it
up
there
for
walk-ups,
because
I
got
to
get
my
trying
to
get
my
money
back?
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
D
Z
Because
I
don't
even
know
who
did
the
drawing
of
this,
because
if
you
look
at
the
on
on
the
survey,
it
shows
16
feet
from
the
curb
to
the
to
the
easement
to
the
red
line
and
every
builder
that
I've
talked
to
and
I've
been
in
the
business
30
years
and
they
said
normally
it's
10
feet.
They
think
there
was
an
error
in
the
drawing
of
it
that
it
should
have
followed.
Follow
the
street
a
10
foot
easement.
Is
that
correct?
I
mean
you
know,
but
is
normal
ain't
10
feet?
Z
And
this
one
here
is
16.,
so
there's
six
feet
of
plant
and
shrubbery
in
there.
You
know
I'm
okay
with
doing
that
boom
I'll.
Just
I'll
work
with
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
that
closes
the
public
hearing
any
discussion
or
have
a
motion.
A
Second,
was
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
your
name
all
right
motion,
a
second
all
in
favor
hi,
any
post.
D
All
right,
don't
don't
want
to
rush
out,
but
our
city
council
does
have
a
meeting
at
bisd.
I
think
it's
six,
so
I
may
read
this
one.
A
little
quickly,
pz2021
321
is
to
consider
a
request
for
a
specific
use
permit
to
allow
an
auto
repair
shop
in
an
nc
neighborhood
commercial
district
at
1109
harriet
street
guadalupe
bernal
would
like
to
operate
an
auto
repair
shop.
At
this
location.
D
An
automotive
shop
is
not
permitted
in
an
nc
zoning
district.
Without
a
specific
use.
Permit
staff
received
a
complaint
recently
that
many
vehicles
were
being
parked
in
and
around
this
site
such
that
you
could
not
see
around
the
intersection
upon
investigation.
It
was
discovered
that
the
business
was
operating
without
a
certificate
of
occupancy
and
had
not
been
used
continuously
as
an
auto
repair
shop.
So
it
was
not
grandfathered.
D
D
D
K
D
Yeah,
so
this
that's
how
it
was
discovered,
as
people
were
complaining
about
the
parking
and
the
overflow
of
cars.
So
when
we
went
out
to
investigate
that's
when
we
found
out
there
was
no
co
again,
auto
repair
is
allowed
in
nc,
but
you've
got
to
have
a
specific
use
permit,
and
so
that's
that's.
Why
they're
here
before
you
today.
E
Okay,
because
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
hadn't,
this
been
used
as
an
auto
place
before.
Y
We
started
we
approached
someone
who
sent
letters
stating
that
they
were
in
violation
and
that
they
had
a
choice.
They
could
either
clean
off
the
property
and
leave
or
they
could
apply
for
the
sup,
and
I
don't
think
they
understood
at
first
and
they
cleaned
off
the
property
and.
G
B
N
D
D
This
council,
this
commission
and
the
city
council,
the
ability
to
say
you
know,
does
that
make
sense
in
this
neighborhood.
Is
it
going
to
cause
any
problems
and
then
have
reasonable
conditions
to
say
you
know
what
auto
repair
may
be
okay,
but
we
got
to
limit
it
to
a
certain
number
of
cars,
so
it's
not
causing
the
problems
that
it
has
caused.
D
You
know
we
try
to
calculate
how
many
bays
there
are
for
repair,
how
many
employees
and
then
a
reasonable
number
of
you
know
spots
for
storage,
because
people
have
to
drop
off
their
cars.
People
have
to
pick
up
their
cars,
so
there's
a
little
bit.
So
I
think
it's
it's
usually
based
on
the
number
of
bays
times
three.
D
K
D
G
U
AB
Hello,
my
name
is
dolores
cantu.
I
live
in
4625,
prairie
avenue,
bulma,
texas,
77707,
the
lady
shouldn't
speak
spanish,
english.
A
AB
For
inside
supposed
to
be
three
three
spaces
and
the
outside,
if
you
see
right
there,
the
check
we
put
a
wiggle
mark
is
already
clean.
We
wiggle
mark
for
parking
for
the
customers
plus
for
the
employers,
so
myself
and
my
husband,
we
will
stay.
We
was
having
this
mechanic
shop
for
about
18
years.
We
never
had
problems.
We
never
had
any
complaints.
AB
My
husband
passed
away
on
2013
and
I
started
renting
the
place
in
2005.
I
mean
2015.,
but
I
guess
the
the
the
renters
got
kind
of
messed
up
with
a
lot
of
cars.
AB
So
now
they
got
in
this
position
and
now
they're
learning,
I
told
them
you
know,
what's
supposed
to
be
really
clean,
because
the
vision
place
on
both
sides
has
to
be
cleaned.
You
know
and
it's
why
they
clean
they.
They
have
been
clean
for
for
a
month
or
maybe
a
little
bit
over
a
month,
and
now
you
know
they're
waiting
for
you
to
to
accept.
L
AB
Employees
there
are
five,
including
with
the
lady.
She
is
the
the
owner.
I
mean
the
secretary
sorry.
E
The
also
to
the
other
side
of
the
property
that
vacant
lot
is
that
yours,
too.
Y
E
A
AC
Roosevelt
frank,
where
the
dump
trucks
are.
That's
I
own
that.
AC
I'm
not,
I
can't
recall
the
address
right
now
without
looking
at
the
it.
I
I
didn't
know
didn't
know
the
physical
address
until
I
got
the
papers
and
I
mailed
that
back
to
you
guys,
but
I
own
that
property,
and
I
mean
my
property
had
calls
on
it.
You
know
I
don't
I
don't
I.
AC
I
don't
have
no
problem
with
them
having
a
a
mechanic
shop
there,
because
when
this
lady
that
was
talking,
miss
cantu,
her
husband
used
to
have
a
mechanic
shop
there,
and
it
never
was
that
many
cars
they
have
so
many
cars
parked
on
that
area.
Where
I
park
my
trucks
at
sometimes
I
can't
turn
my
pickup
pickup
truck
around
in
it.
AC
AC
You
know
so
it's
up
to
you
guys
whether
you
want
to
let
them
open
one
or
not.
But
okay,
you
know,
I'm
just
saying:
y'all
y'all
seem
to
have
all
the
facts.
All.
A
E
A
Okay:
okay,
any
other
discussion,
questions
for
for
staff;
no.
C
A
AB
Yes,
we
never
had
a
a
permit
because
we
went
to
the
courthouse.
We
went
upstairs
on
the
the
coats
and
they
not
told
us
anything,
they
say
you're
free
to
to
do
your
business.
You
know
long,
you
have
a
clean
space
and
throwing
in
the
bag,
whatever
you
know
and
is
what
we
did,
but
we
we
look
around
for
any
permits
or
something
you
know.
AB
AB
A
K
J
Discussion,
I'm
still
a
bit
of
concerned
about
the
number
of
vehicles
allowed
on
the
property
at
one
time,
which
we
don't
have
a
definite
answer
about
how
many
stalls
that's
available
at
this
particular
auto
repair
shop.
So
I
would
like
to
amend
that
to
15.
A
Okay,
then
we're
going
to
go
back
and
revisit
the
motion
is
still
on
the
floor.
So
do
you
want
to
change
your
motion
or
keep
it
at
20.
C
A
J
A
D
All
right
final
case
on
today's
agenda
is
pz2021
324
and
it
is
to
consider
a
request
to
rezone
the
property
from
nc
neighborhood
commercial
to
rs
residential
single
family
at
4475
raven
street
fast
forward.
Here
kelly,
hardy
would
like
to
rezone
the
property
in
question.
The
property
is
located
just
north
of
the
convenience
store
at
44.90
bob
street.
D
Previously
these
lots
and
the
convenience
store
were
all
part
of
the
same
property.
The
property
owner
would
like
to
rezone
the
lot
in
question
to
rs
single
family
in
order
to
build
a
new
house
or
houses.
All
the
surrounding
property,
except
the
convenience
store,
is
residential
and
you
can
see
in
front
of
you.
This
is
the
convenience
store
on
west
virginia
and
you
can
see
this
is
the
property
that
they
are
parceling
off.
To
develop
a
house.
D
We
did
send
28
notices
out.
We
received
one
in
favor,
zero
in
opposition.
You
can
see
the
area
surrounded,
but
for
the
convenience
store
by
rs
properties.
This
is
property
in
question
view
of
the
subject:
property
into
the
east
north
north
west,
south.
That's
the
convenience
store
and
based
on
this
application
staff
is
recommending
approval,
any
questions,
any
questions
of
staff,
no,
no.
A
V
V
C
A
Okay,
public
hearing
is
closed.
Any
discussion.