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From YouTube: Sustainable Cities February 2018 Roundtable
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Sustainable Cities Roundtable on healthy building certifications and trends hosted by King County GreenTools, February 15, 2018.
A
Okay,
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
thanks
everybody
for
being
here:
I'm
patty,
Southard,
I,
leave
the
Kent
honey,
green
tools,
program
and
I
just
want
to
welcome
everybody.
That's
here
today
and
I
also
want
to
welcome
everybody.
That's
on
the
webinar
right
now.
We
have
folks
from
the
region,
but
also
we
know,
there's
some
folks
checking
in
from
out
of
state
and
as
far
as
watching
10dc,
so
bow
I
know
you're
here.
A
There
are
going
to
be
some
trainings
coming
up
and
we
are
going
to
be
doing
a
training
on
April
10th
about
Biophilia
design,
and
we
are
going
to
be
graced
with
these
amazing
women
that
started
a
company
called
whole
trees
and
that
training
will
be
at
the
King
Street
center
in
downtown
Seattle.
So
I'll
be
getting
the
word
out
about
that
as
well,
and
if
anybody
has
any
other
events
they'd
like
to
announce,
you
can
do
that
now.
Anybody.
B
A
A
If
you're
new
to
the
round
tables,
please
sign
in
so
we
can
keep
up
with
you
and
you
can
keep
up
with
what
we've
got
going
and
now
I'd
like
to
introduce
Jennifer
Ewing,
the
environmental
stewardship
program
manager
for
the
City
of
Bellevue
and
Jennifer's,
going
to
introduce
the
speakers.
Thank
You
Jennifer,
sir
yep.
C
I'm
just
gonna
introduce
the
speakers
real
quick
first
I'll
start
with
dr.
Erica
Blackshirt
she's
an
associate
professor
and
director
of
undergraduate
studies
at
the
Department
of
bioethics
and
humanities
at
the
University
of
Washington.
Her
research
scholarship
and
teaching
examine
ethical
and
policy
implications
of
the
social
determinants
of
in
social
inequities
in
health,
with
focus
on
health
promotion
and
disease
prevention,
children's
development
in
health
and
u.s.
health
system
reform.
Dr.
C
Blackshirt
also
conducts
a
research
using
deliberative
engagement
strategies
with
minority
and
when
marginalized
populations
to
inform
population
health
policies
prior
to
joining
the
University
of
Washington.
She
was
a
Robert
Wood,
Johnson,
Foundation
health
and
society
scholar
at
Columbia,
University,
research,
scholar
for
population
health,
ethics
at
the
Hastings
Center
in
Garris,
New,
York
senior
program
associate
at
the
Center
for
practical
bioethics
city.
She
received
a
PhD
and
MA
in
bioethics
at
the
University
of
Virginia,
in
Charlottesville
and
undergraduate
degrees
in
philosophy
and
dirt
and
in
journalism
from
the
University
of
Kansas.
C
She
is
also
a
first
generation
high
school
graduate
dr.
Amy
Kay
is
an
associate
excuse-me
assistant,
professor
at
the
University
of
Washington,
in
the
department
of
civil
and
environmental
engineering.
She
graduated
with
an
architecture
degree
from
University
of
Illinois,
and
then
it
obtained
an
MS
and
civil
engineering
from
Illinois
Institute
of
Technology
and
a
PhD
in
civil
engineering,
focusing
on
predicting
energy
savings
from
energy
service
projects
prior
to
obtaining
for
graduate
degrees.
She
worked
as
an
architect
and
project
engineer
in
Chicago
on
large
public
infrastructures.
Dr.
C
canus
research
mainly
focuses
on
the
interactions
between
sustainable
building
design
facility
operation
and
the
needs
of
the
occupants
in
terms
of
comfort,
well-being
and
performance.
Her
expertise
includes
assessing
the
impact
of
occupant
behavior
on
building
energy
modeling,
building
into
our
environmental
quality
monitoring
and
facility
operational
design
decision
making
strategies.
Currently,
her
work
includes
quantifying
the
impact
of
healthy
workplace
strategies
that
foster
productivity
and
team
collaboration
for
improved
organizational
performance
and
then
Tom
committal
is
the
design
principle
at
Seattle's
architecture
studio.
C
He
is
responsible
for
the
overall
design
direction
of
projects
in
the
studio
and
co-directing
HDR
center
of
regenerative
design.
His
work
explores
the
intersection
of
people
place
in
ecology
and
spans
a
variety
of
project
types
and
scale,
including
higher
education,
Science
and
Technology
health
care,
Civic,
mixed-use
and
urban
planning
in
the
Americas
Asia
Middle
East
and
Caribbean
Thomas
received
30
design
awards,
including
the
AIA
top
10
green
and
GSA
design.
C
Excellent
Ward's
Thomas,
a
frequent
lecturer
on
design,
innovation
and
biomimicry,
including
giving
the
annual
sustaining
our
world
address
in
2013
at
the
University
of
Washington
here,
in
the
master's
degree,
from
Harvard
Graduate
School
of
Design
and
as
a
certified
biomimicry
affresh
professional,
a
volunteer
design
leader
for
the
lead
and
well
platinum,
William
Jefferson
Clinton
children's
center
in
port-au-prince
Haiti.
He
also
serves
on
the
advisory
board
of
the
biomimicry
center
at
ASU.
So
please
welcome
our
speakers
and
dr.
D
Thanks
everyone
whenever
I,
can
you
all
hear
me
first
of
all,
is
that
thing
on?
Yes,
okay
and
I'm?
Realizing
you
guys
are
here
so
I'll
try
to
just
project
really
widely.
You
know
whenever
I
hear
introductions,
it
makes
me
realize
that
we
need
to
be
briefer
in
sending
our
BIOS.
We
need.
We
need
briefer
BIOS.
So
sorry
for
that
tortured,
uhm
surprised.
We
didn't
tell
you
about.
You
know
our
childhoods
anyway.
D
So
as
noted
in
the
introduction,
I
am
NOT
an
architect
I'm
trained
as
an
ethicist
and
I
focus
on
population
health,
ethics
and
what
I
have
been
tasked
with
is
speaking
to
the
broader
social
context
in
which
health
occurs
that
influence
health
and
longevity
outcomes.
So
there's
good
news
and
there's
bad
news
and
Amy
and
Tom
are
the
lucky
ones.
D
These
social
conditions
and
factors
are
commonly
referred
to
as
the
social
determinants
of
health
and
I
just
want
to
quickly
take
a
show
of
hands.
Is
that
a
term
that's
familiar
to
those
of
you
in
the
room
to
some
of
you
in
the
room
when
I
first
started
talking
about
the
social
determinants
of
health
15-20
years
ago,
I
never
got
any
hands
up
in
the
room.
People
just
looked
at
me
with
knitted
brows.
D
E
D
I'm
thinking,
maybe
I'll
just
keep
talking
and
then
by
the
time
I
explain
what
they
are.
You'll
have
a
nice
graphic
depicting
what
they
are.
So
social
determinants
of
health
refer
to
the
social,
economic
and
environmental
conditions
in
which
people
grow
up,
live,
learn,
work,
play
and
age,
and
if
I
had
this
really
nice
little
circle
and
I
suspect
my
doing
this
doesn't
help
you
at
all.
There
are
hundreds
of
images
of
the
social
determinants
of
health
and
I
have
picked
one.
That's
particularly
uncomplicated.
D
E
D
Okay,
so
there
are
social
conditions,
so
I've
actually
got
two
graphics
to
show
you
social
conditions
that
relate
to
things
such
as
the
kind
of
family
or
community
or
social
support.
You
have
the
amount
of
violence
or
safety
that
is
in
your
neighborhood
in
your
in
your
region.
You've
also
got
physical,
environmental
factors
related
to
things
like
your
air
and
water
quality.
D
Your
housing
and
your
transit
and
I
keep
looking
at
the
picture,
which
isn't
there
things
like
whether
or
not
you
have
access
to
clinical
care,
as
well
as
economic
factors
related
to
things
such
as
your
educational
level,
your
income
level,
and
even
you
can
measure
those
at
the
individual
level.
You
can
measure
those
at
the
family
level
at
the
neighborhood
level,
because
all
of
those
things
impact
the
resources
that
are
available
in
your
immediate
area
and
the
quality
of
your
skills.
D
But
the
point
of
this
is
that
the
better
off
you
are
the
better
your
social
conditions,
the
more
resources
safety
support
stability,
while
growing
up
leads
to
more
enrichment
opportunities,
opportunities
for
education,
during
critical
periods
of
development,
leading
to
more
rewarding
and
higher,
paying
jobs,
career
opportunities
and
safer
support
and
supportive
peer
networks
and
prospects
for
partners,
and
all
of
this
relates
and
impacts
health
outcomes.
So
this
relationship
between
social
advantage
and
health
is
persistent,
pervasive
and
robust,
and
it's
reflected
in
a
pattern
referred
to
as
the
social
gradient
in
health.
So
I'm
just
curious.
D
Some
of
you
have
heard
of
the
social
determinants
of
health.
How
many
of
you
have
heard
of
the
social
gradient
in
health,
so
Patty's
heard
of
the
social
gradient
in
health
and
maybe
she's
the
only
person
and
of
course
we
don't
know
of
those
who
are
dialed
in
how
many
have
heard
of
the
social
gradient
in
health.
So
we've
long
known
that
rich
people
live
longer
healthier
lives
than
do
poor
people.
So
let
me
just
stop
for
a
minute
and
go
back.
This
is
the
graphic
I
was
describing
as
I
said
there.
D
D
Here's
the
other
graphic
I,
wanted
to
show
you
here's
another
way
of
sort
of
slicing
the
pie
in
terms
of
the
social
determinants
of
health,
and
this
data
is
actually
interesting.
This
logic
model
is
interesting
because
it
it
actually
was
done
by
a
crack
team
at
the
University
of
Wisconsin.
That
through
please
don't
ask
me
to
explain
how
they
came
to
these
relative
contributions,
but
through
some
very
complex
mathematics.
D
They
have
estimated
that
health
behaviors
contribute
some
30%
to
health
outcomes,
clinical
care,
some
20%
social
and
economic
factors,
some
40%
and
the
physical
environment.
Some
10%,
but
you'll
notice
that
genes
and
biology
are
not
reflected
there
because
they're
there
just
working
with
the
social
determinants
of
health,
and
if
you
have
questions
about
genes
and
biology,
we
can
talk
about
that
in
the
QA.
But
this
is
the
social
gradient
in
health
and
I.
Have
a
couple
of
graphics,
I
want
to
show
you
quickly
and
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
time.
D
But
what
the
social
gradient
in
in
health
is
is
a
stepwise
inverse
relationship
between
social
position
and
health
outcomes,
and
this
pattern
holds
wherever
people
were
ever.
Researchers
study,
population,
health,
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you
use
education
as
a
gauge
of
advantage
or
whether
you
use
income
as
a
gauge
of
advantage.
You
still
get
this
stepwise
gradient.
We
even
see
this
tragically
in
in
early
life,
and
so
we
can
I
can
go
back
to
these
in
the
Q&A
to
kind
of
unpack
what
you're
seeing
there.
D
But
what
you're
seeing
is
that
the
more
education
you
have,
the
healthier,
your
the
healthier
you
will
be
and
the
longer
you
will
live
the
more
income.
You
have
the
same
situation
and
then
this
graphic
is
a
bit
more
complicated,
but
it
captures
both
income
and
race,
ethnicity,
and
what
you
see
there
is
that
whites
are
represented
in
the
burgundy
yellow,
the
yellow,
represent
Hispanic
and
black.
D
The
orange
and
people
on
this
side
have
are
400
percent
above
Stan
poverty,
level
and
those
at
the
end
or
at
poverty
level
or
lower,
and
they
have
the
worst
health
and
you
can
see
within
these
income
groups,
there's
variation
by
race
and
ethnicity,
very
interesting
data.
We
can
circle
back
to
it
if
you'd
like
to
sort
of
unpack
what
you're
seeing
there.
The
point
of
this
is
just
to
show
the
power
of
social
position
as
as
measured
by
various
gauges
of
advantage
and
disadvantage
on
your
health
and
longevity.
D
So
let
me
not
show
you
that
graphic
there
just
yet
so.
There's
some
bad
news
there
and
I
want
to
just
share
a
bit
one
more
piece
of
bad
news,
and
that
is
that
we
don't
do
well
as
a
nation
when
we
compare
ourselves
to
other
countries.
Now
these
are
osed
countries,
organization
of
the
economic,
economic
and
cooperative
development
countries.
D
If
we
compared
ourselves
even
with
a
smaller
set
of
countries,
what
are
called
peer
countries
about
16
countries
that
are
all
very
wealthy
and
very
developed,
we
still
compare
poorly.
We
are
the
red,
the
red
bar
here,
and
this
see
they
here
they're
measuring
life
expectancy.
But
if
you
were
measuring
a
whole
array
of
health
outcomes,
you
would
see
something
very
similar,
so
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
this
real
quickly,
this
this
B's,
these
outcomes
hold
for
all
14
major
causes
of
disease.
D
So
a
big
group
of
diseases,
a
big
group
of
causes
of
death
and
most
forms
of
mental
disorder
and
disease
and
the
gradient
reaches
into
the
upper
lat
up
and
into
the
upper
ladder
of
socioeconomics
and,
tragically,
it's
foreshadowed
in
children's
health
and
development.
So
just
a
few
more
details
about
that
pattern,
so,
okay,
I
told
you
I
was
the
bad
news,
and
that
is
the
bad
news
and
let
me
just
say
a
little
bit
about
why
this
matters
and
then
I'll
I'll
hand
it
off
to
Amy
and
Tom.
D
So
why
should
we
care
about
poor
health?
And
why
should
we
care
about
enabling
people
to
have
good
health?
Well,
good
health
is
essential
to
human
wellness
and
and
and
well-being,
and
for
full
participation
in
society
and
poor
health
can
mean
devastation,
fear,
isolation,
disability
and
premature
death
and
poor
health.
D
We
created
them.
We
can
change
them,
they're,
a
function
of
collective
decisions
that
we
make
over
time,
and
that's
the
good
news
and
talking
with
people
like
you
all
in
this
room
and
who
are
dialed
in
planners
architects,
builders,
people
in
positions
of
power
and
government.
It's
paramount
that
you
all
think
about
not
only
healthy
buildings,
but
I
would
suggest
the
broader
social
conditions
in
which
people
can
either
be
helped
to
be
healthy
or
made
sick.
So
I'll
stop
there
and
I'll
hand
this
off
to
Amy
all.
F
Right
so
I
want
to
thank
Erica
for
giving
us
this
broad
perspective.
I
don't
have
to
do
that
job,
so
it
makes
it
so
much
easier,
I'll
dive
into
a
little
bit
of
the
the
healthy
building
trends
and
talk
about
you
know.
Why
are
we
interested
in
healthy
buildings?
We
understand
that
healthy
and
well
being
of
occupants
is
really
important
of
P
was
really
important.
So
what
about
buildings?
The
different
rating
system
that's
available
right
now
for
certifying
your
building
as
a
healthy
building.
F
Can
we
extend
the
value
of
those
healthy
building
rating
system
through
advanced
measurement
and
performance,
and
then
give
you
some
actual
project
examples
there?
There
local
projects,
one
at
the
University
of
Washington
and
then
one
actually
in
this
building
and
so
Emma's
here
and
also
I,
would
like
to
say
that
my
postdoc
that
worked
on
many
of
these
research
project
is
here.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
we'd
be
happy
to
address
them.
F
In
looking
at
the
empirical
evidence,
and
the
research
from
science,
and
also
the
medical
field
came
up
with
the
seven
different
I
think
they
have
eight
now
the
eighth
one
is
called
innovation,
but
starting
with
air
and
water
nourishment
light
fitness
within
these
concepts.
They
have
different
specific
metrics
that
you
can
use
to
look
at
the
performance
of
your
building.
F
It
was
developed
by
the
international
well,
building
standard
and
I
know
tom
is
going
to
be
able
to
show
you
an
actual
project
and
maybe
dig
deeper
into
the
actual
and
performance
metrics
that
are
involved
in
using
the
system.
But
it's
been
I
think
about
in
three
years
already
that
it's
been
in
existence
and
they
have
over
700
buildings
that
are
certifies
very
similar
to
the
LEED
rating
system
and
they
also
have
a
global
presence.
F
Looking
at
these
various
health
impact
categories,
meaning
that
all
of
their
strategies
have
to
somehow
positively
impact
these
health
impact
categories
and
I
can
give
you
an
example
like
maybe
improving
the
occupants
safety
or
increasing
the
physical
activities
came
up
with
strategies
that
they
could
use
as
well.
Now,
GSA
was
able
to
pilot
their
fit
well
rating
system
and
with
that
getting
feedback
from
their
facility
managers
and
also
the
occupants
they
were
able
to
refine
that
rating
system.
F
So
these
are
some
rating
systems
that
are
available,
I,
believe
they
have
about
400
buildings
that
are
certified
and
they
have
more
owners
that
have
committed
to
certifying
their
buildings
fit
wall
we
are
going
through.
The
city
of
Bellevue
is
also
going
through
a
farewell
certification
for
this
particular
building.
So
we'll
talk
about
that
very
at
the
end,
but
they're
in
concept,
they're
kind
of
doing
doing
the
same
thing
right.
How
do
you
provide
an
environment?
F
That's
actually
better
and
also
productive
for
your
employees,
the
question
that
I
usually
get
after
I
present
this
it's
a
great
philosophy.
We
understand
that
you
know
we
we
need
to
provide
a
better
environment,
for
our
people
is
how
much
will
it
cost
me
if
I
want
to
do
a
well
building
or
a
fit
well
building,
and
so
we
looked
at
it.
This
is
for
a
hypothetical
case
for
us
for
three
hundred
thousand
square-foot
building.
This
would
be
a
new
construction.
F
I
mean
there
are
some
cost
as
built
into
this,
that
we
are
all
I,
think
know
and
that's
a
basic
cost,
which
would
be
the
registration
and
the
certification
cost
fit
wall.
Has
a
flat
fee
for
your
for
your
single
building
for
the
well
building
that
varies,
and
it
depends
on
the
square
foot
of
your
building,
so
you
would
have
to
for
a
30,000
square
foot
building
what
we
came
up
with
was
for
the
fit
wall.
F
I
did
get
to
talk
to
one
of
the
fit
well
ambassador,
that's
practicing
in
the
Midwest
and
they've
done
a
couple
buildings
already,
and
so
I
I
figured
that
in
to
figure
out
the
design
cost,
but
it
would
that
would
vary
for
the
wall.
There
is
a
ongoing
maintenance
and
recertification
fee.
That's
involved!
Once
you
get
certified,
you
do
have
to
recertify
every
three
years
to
show
that
you're
meeting
that
performance
requirement
for
the
fit
wall.
F
So
the
total
project,
as
you
can
see
it's
it's
quite
different
and
I'm
sure
well,
is
working
through
this
to
see
how
to
make
this
more
cost-effective.
But
the
advantage
of
well
would
be
that
you
are
showing
performance
through
these
recertification.
The
advantage
for
the
fit
ball
would
be
that
you
know
it's
very
cost
effective
and
you
can
still
use
it
to
show
that
you
are
doing
the
things
that
are
necessary
for
your
building.
To
show
that
you
really
do
care
about
your
people
in
the
building.
F
So
we
being
researchers,
we
took
this
apart
and
we
looked
at
the
different
performance
metrics
that
are
actually
involved
in
kind
of
both
these
standards
and
we
were
able
to
cluster
them
into
these
four
big
categories.
The
first
one
was
air
quality,
the
second
one,
water
quality,
there's
a
few
parameters
in
your
light
and
also
comfort,
also
light,
isn't
the
comfort
you
know,
comfort
included,
other
things
like
acoustics,
which
would
be
in
comfort
as
well
again.
F
The
red
cells
with
the
number
one
shows
that
well
will
require
you
to
get
at
least
a
single
one
time
performance
measurement
of
these
various
parameters
fit.
While,
assuming
that
you
know
it's
already,
the
strategies
are
based
on
empirical
evidence
assume
that
if
you
do
those
strategies,
you
could
meet
these
minimum
thresholds.
F
But
because
of
the
cost,
that's
involved
in
looking
at
the
the
performance
of
these
buildings,
what
we
did-
and
we
did
this
really
for
our
internal
need-
University
of
Washington-
was
looking
at
ways
to
make
better
buildings.
You
know
how
do
we
go
beyond
LEED
or
green
and
how
do
we
make
healthy
buildings?
And
so
we
did
a
little
exercise
where
we
looked
at
well.
Is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
level
this
performance
metric?
F
So
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
constrained
by
different
types
of
resources
and
these
resources
are
things
like
you
know,
there's
obviously
some
equipment
cost
that's
involved.
If
you
want
to
get
performance
measurements
on
these
parameters
and
then
also
testing
costs,
you've
got
to
have
the
right
people
that
could
actually
collect
the
data,
but
also
analyze
that
data.
So
we
scaled
it
into
three
different
categories
or
approaches
is
what
I
would
call?
F
One
was
kind
of
the
cost-effective
method
which
would
not
include
every
single
parameter-
that's
required
by
well
at
this
point,
but
what
you
can
do
it
in
some
of
the
parameters.
Other
parameters,
you
can
do
multiple
spot
measurements
to
kind
of
show,
a
trend
within
your
entire
building
to
get
an
average
instead
of
getting
a
single
point.
The
balanced
approach
is
where
you
have
these
one-time
measurements,
but
you
also
implement
it
with
these.
F
F
So
some
project
examples
that
we
do
in
our
particular
lab
and
I.
Don't
think
I
need
to
talk
about
this
long,
because
we
are
looking
at
kind
of
the
balance
between
not
just
benefiting
the
environment,
but
how
can
we
do
something
really
good
for
the
people
and
we're
talking
about
healthy
building
in
this
case,
but
also
does
it
make
sense
economically?
F
What's
the
return
on
investment
for
all
of
this,
so
we
did
a
lighting
project
in
particular
to
look
at
what
is
the
impact
on
lighting
on
on
employees
or
people
an
organization,
and
so
the
building
we
looked
at
was
u-dub
tower.
This
is
we
call
it
a
high-rise
building
on
our
campus?
It's
a
22
story.
Building
we
have
about
2,000
employees
that
are
working
in
this
building
representing
over
65
different
departments.
It's
about
a
half,
a
million
square
foot
and
it's
in
the
heart
of
the
Seattle's
U
District.
F
We
wanted
to
see
a
few
things
we
wanted
to
see.
You
know
what
is
the
impact
of
lighting
change
on.
You
know,
obviously,
the
energy
reduction,
but
also
what
is
it
on
people
you
know?
Are
people
more
satisfied
with
in
their
environment
and
will
that
really
impact
the
organization's
performance
at
the
same
time?
So
we
did
a
number
spot
measurements
as
well
as
continuous
measurement
of
different
lighting
parameters
also
did
a
occupants
survey
before
and
after
the
retrofit.
F
F
Okay,
so
this
looks
should
look
all
familiar.
You've
all
walked
through
this
space
just
now,
but
City
of
Bellevue.
Obviously
it's
an
existing
building.
It's
been
renovated
and
some
of
the
studies
that
we
did
here
we've
actually
done
more
than
what
I'm
presenting
today
so
I'm.
Sure,
if
you
have
questions
mo,
would
be
happy
to
answer
that.
F
We've
looked
at
occupant
occupant
driven
loads
in
this
building,
so
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
the
plug
load
in
this
building,
as
well
as
what
I'll
be
talking
about
today
is
really
the
indoor
air
quality
study,
as
well
as
what
was
the
fit
wall
certification
process
like,
but
we've
got
a
mixed
work
force
in
this
building.
There's
all
over
800
employees
as
well
close
to
4,000
square
feet
of
space
in
this
building
we're
close
to
a
major
highway
here
and
the
reason
we
mentioned.
F
So
there
there's
been
some
complaints
in
this
building
very
sensitive
occupants
to
dust,
pollen
and
different
kind
of
all,
and
so
I
know.
Emma
and
her
team
has
been
doing
some
studies
on
looking
at
spot
measurements
of
indoor
air
quality
and
we
came
in
in
2017
to
do
all
so
we
did
a
number
of
spot
measurements
I
believe
over
60
different
spots
throughout
this
building.
F
So
all
the
way
from
the
basement
all
the
way
to
the
top
floor
of
this
building,
but
also
some
continuous
measurement
in
spots
where
people
have
been
giving
us
some
complaints
about
various
smells
or
dust,
and
things
like
that.
So
using
all
of
that
plus
some
interview
data
from
those
people,
we
were
able
to
see
not
only
through
that,
but
also
through
different
types
of
research
that
even
in
those
well-managed
urban
buildings
you
know
this
is
this-
is
a
common,
a
complaint
that
you
might
get
in
a
building,
even
when
it's
very
well
managed.
F
F
Back
to
the
footwall
certification,
so
we
did
that
end
of
last
year
and
we've
submitted
all
our
documents
at
this
point
and
some
things
we've
learned
and
I'm
sure
and
I
couldn't
even
speak
better
to
that
some
things
that
are
hard
to
change.
You
know
some
things
that
were
surprised.
You
know,
but
you
know
the
external
factors
and
we
were
lucky
because
we're
right
by
a
transit
center
here
and
you're
building
one
right
here
too.
So
you
know
we're
in
a
location
where
we've
got
that
public
transit.
F
But
the
other
thing
that
we
were
looking
very
closely
and
trying
to
target
is:
where
is
our
walking
trail
to
kind
of
promote
occupant
health
by
going
outside
and
really
spending
that
time
outside,
but
also
I'm
working
on
our
step?
Stairwells?
You
know
encouraging
people
to
use
that
stair
low
and
that's
a
new
sign
that
we
just
created
for
that
to
encourage
people
to
do
that
and
also
working
on
the
fitness
center.
I
know
there
is
one
here,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
limited
in
some
ways
and
there
is
some
other
requirements.
F
You
know
you
need
trainers.
I
can
teach
you
how
to
use
particular
equipments,
and
things
like
that,
so
those
are
things
that
we
discussed
as
areas
of
improvement
and
then
also
looking
at
the
harder
thing
for
us
was
to
work
with
the
vendors
that
are
here
already
providing
the
different
kind
of
food
options.
I
mean
you
have
an
existing
contract
right
now.
So
how
do
we
put
in
language
to
really
encourage
people
that
come
here
to
serve
food?
F
F
The
standing
desk
was
another
thing,
and
this
is
something
that
I
felt,
even
in
my
workplaces,
that
I
bought
my
own
standing
desk
for
my
office
and
then
found
out
later
from
HR
that
I
could
have
requested
it
and
just
gotten
it
right.
I,
don't
think
anybody
knows
this,
so
the
u-dub
tarah
right
now
doing
and
doing
a
full
interior
innovation.
You
know,
standing
desk
is
not
even
an
option,
it's
already
being
put
in
I.
F
Think
that's
a
great
strategy,
so
you
know
maybe
kind
of
thinking
about
those
as
well
and
so
the
concluding
remarks
for
this
honor.
You
know
the
rating
systems
are
really
great.
They
provide
a
guideline
they're
very
systematic.
It
helps
us
put
these
these
kind
of
different
concepts
and
philosophy
into
practice,
but
you
know
it
really
does
improve
your
internal
business
processes
as
well,
and
that's
what
the
research
is
really
trying
to
prove
all
right.
The
evidence
for
that.
We
realize
that
you
do
need
to
engage
actively
with
your
facility
managers
and
your
building
occupants.
F
It's
not
something
that
the
owner
sees
as
valuable
and
just
walk
or
expect
that
your
occupants.
We
would
do
this.
You
need
to
have
a
very
close
relationship,
and
then
you
know
just
like
today.
We're
from
all
these
different
disciplines
I
feel
like
this
whole
area
is
we
just
have
to
work
together
and
we
don't
get
to
do
that
a
lot.
You
know
we
have
all
these
different
when
we
think
well-being
right,
we
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
what
that
is,
but
it's
almost
is
it
physical
well-being?
F
Is
that
emotional
well-being
is
that
social
well-being?
Is
it
economic
well-being,
so
I
think
there's
a
huge
opportunity
and
it's
very
exciting
to
see
that
happen
right
now
very
actively
and
I
think
just
today,
I'm
very
thankful
and
happy
that
I
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
as
well,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
Emma,
also
and
then
also
I'm,
Stanley
who's
here
today
and
then
James
awesome
researchers
that
really
help
do
all
of
this
projects
and
to
kind
of
figure
out.
You
know
what
is
the
impact
of
all
this
on
our
people?
G
H
Amy
I'm
really
glad
you
got
into
detail,
so
I
don't
have
to
and
the
reality
of
it
is
I.
You
know,
I
think
that
these
two
perspectives,
one
really
big
the
big
picture
from
Erica
and
then
going
into
the
detail
with
Amy,
is,
is
where
the
designer
sees
the
greatest
opportunity
to
integrate
the
this
and
into
buildings
that
hopefully,
will
be
embraced
by
the
community
by
clients.
H
You
know
that's
green
building
movement,
that's
been
a
you
know,
20
years
now
actively
moving
forward
and
creating
some
great
improvements
in
the
industry,
then
the
Wellness
movement,
being
you
know
about
three
years
old.
The
reality
of
its
a
lot
of
the
concepts
that
are
that
are
at
play
here
have
been
happening
for
a
while
and
as
they
develop
agency
and
people
start
to
understand
that
how
important
they
are,
and
especially
through
research.
That's
that's
really
validating
some
of
our
our
instincts
about
what
the
environment
should
look
like.
H
H
It
makes
the
designers
job
a
lot
easier,
and-
and
so
we're
really
excited
about
that
@h
year
on
Duncan
Griffin.
Our
managing
partners
is
here
today,
he's
he's
very
much
into
this
spaces
as
well,
and
you
know
what
we
hope
is
is
that
leading
then
in
this
way
will
will
maybe
go
back
full
circle
back
to
some
of
the
issues
that
Erica
brought
to
us,
which
is
how
do
we
shine
a
light
on
these
issues,
and
we
really
believe
that
the
idea
of
I
was
shutting
down
again.
H
Well,
isn't
that
great
that
you
know
we,
this
issue
of
equity,
it
has
to
has
to
be,
has
to
go
beyond
our
buildings
and
that
what
is
good
for
people
is
good
for
the
planet
and
what
is
good
for
the
planet
is
good
for
people
and
so
as
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
in
a
position
to
look
at
our
buildings-
and
you
know
the
premise
for
this
talk
was
we
spend
90%
of
our
time
in
building?
So,
therefore,
we
need
to
really
take
that
seriously.
H
H
H
So
the
active
measures
require
that
you
know
constant
engagement
and
and
testing,
so
they
they
both
have
their
place,
and
we,
you
know
we're
looking
at
it
in
our
new
offices
that
we're
getting
ready
to
move
into
about
19,000
square
feet
and
we're
running
into
the
same
business
challenge
from
a
monetary
standpoint.
Fit
well
looks
so
easy.
We're
definitely
doing
that,
and
so
it's
nice
to
be
in
your
in
your
clients,
shoes
as
well.
So
it
looks
like
we're
back
up
in.
E
A
H
A
H
Right
well,
I.
You
know,
I,
think
that
the
III
really
do
believe
that
we
should
be
monitoring
the
quality
of
air,
our
air
quality
environment,
on
an
ongoing
basis,
because
things
do
change.
The
reality
of
is
is
the
buildings
are
not
fixed.
What
changes,
not
only
in
the
building
it,
what
it
happens
around
the
building
changes
over
time.
You
know
we're
right.
Next
to
the
I-5,
you
know
the
Convention
Center
and
we
know
localized
air
quality
there.
H
It's
not
is
it's
not
so
great
and
so
I
I
think
it's
important
yes,
I
I
would
never
suggest
that
we
shouldn't
do
that.
The
reality
of
is
is.
Will
we
get
to
a
point
where
this
has
becomes
easier
and
mainstreamed?
That's
what
I
hope
and
you
know
Duncan
carries
around
the
co2
sensor
and
is
in
his
backpack.
You
know
so
he
brings
it
out
in
every
meeting
and
when
it
gets
to
it
when
it
gets
to
be
too,
you
know
too
much
co2.
H
E
D
F
There's
a
breakdown,
I
think
well,
does
a
really
great
job
of
showing
that
the
cost
for
an
organization,
if
you
look
at
the
cost
of
the
organization
spends
your
facility
and
your
energy
is
very
small.
Over
90%
I
believe
is
all
on
your
your
asset
is
in
your
people,
so
it
makes
from
the
business
perspective.
It
makes
all
the
sense
to
make
sure
that
you
provide
an
environment.
That's
good,
not
just
healthy,
not
just,
and
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
also
economically
now.
It
makes
sense.
H
And
the
good
news
is
there's:
there
is
a
lot
of
information.
That's
that's
now
coming
forward
on
that
front,
whether
in
a
clinical
setting
the
the
amount
of
errors
and
emissions
that
go
down
the
amount
of
the
burnout
rates
for
for
emergency
room,
doctors
and
nurses,
when
you
provide
them,
you
know
break
rooms
with
with
daylight
and
views
it
creates.
You
know
when
people
are
involved
with
especially
critical
care.
H
Highly
repetitive,
you
know
it's
tasks.
You
know
we
have
to
take
just
as
seriously
that
we
need
to
provide
sort
of
the
offset
for
that,
and
so
there
is
some
some
good
research.
That's
going
across.
You
know
beyond
beyond
the
office,
which
is
where
there's
a
lot
right
now:
health
care
and
then
the
whole
wellness
industry
is
really
really
quite
quite
active
in
this
area.
H
Was
it
wasn't
really
hard
to
convince
a
public
utility
to
put
in
active
stairways
and
in
their
building,
and
it
wasn't
that
hard
to
convince
the
developer
that,
rather
than
a
having
square
footage
sitting
empty
on
the
inside
of
a
building
in
the
form
of
two
fire
stairs
that
putting
them
on
the
outside
of
the
building
where
people
use
them
every
day?
All
of
a
sudden,
it
turned
what
was
just
a
life
safety
measure
into
a
in
amenity
and
and
I.
H
H
Yes-
and
you
know
the
the
work
that
NASA
did
30
years
ago,
you
know
that
really
helped
to
provide
metrics
on
cleaning
air
the
the
capabilities
of
certain
plants.
Now
some
plants,
you
know,
are
better
than
others
and
some
should
be
avoided.
But
there
is
a
body
of
research
out
there
about
incorporating
plants
not
only
for
bio
philic
purposes,
but
also
you
know
from
a
performance
standpoint
in
terms
of
air
quality
and
removing
toxins
from
the
air.
H
With
that
the
active
stairways
and
and
the
the
the
fact
that
there
was
active
living
research
out
at
that
time,
active
living
by
design
was
an
initiative
by
the
Robert
Wood
Johnson
Foundation,
and
you
know,
there's
ongoing
research
in
this
area.
So
here
15
years
ago,
there
was
something
there
wasn't
a
well
building
standard
yet
or
fit
well,
but
there
the
research
is
out
there
and
I
think
we
shouldn't
wait
for
the
rating
systems.
H
You
know
there's
some
of
their
more
recent
researches
around
children
and
learning
and
those
are
interesting
sort
of
brain
scans,
of
a
child
and
in
sort
of
in
a
rest
mode
and
then
after
I
think
it's
10,
minutes
or
20
minutes
of
walking,
and
you
can
see
the
brain
activity
is
just
so
much
more
heightened
and
you
know
if
it's
good
for
children,
it's
probably
good
for
us
as
well
right
and
so
one
of
the
things
about
fit.
Willa's
circuits.
You
know
for
getting
up
and
walking.
H
They
pumped
one
with
VOCs
and
then
gave
them
sort
of
been
testing
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
and
then
another
one
was
another
control
group
was
given
air
at
the
exchange
rates
and
and
that
you
would
extremely
do
you
consider
for
a
very
green
building
and
an
extremely
green
building.
And
so
the
numbers
over
this
controlled
study
were
pretty
pretty
amazing
that
you
know
a
hundred
percent
better
in
terms
of
crisis
response
strategy
and
critical
thinking.
H
Around
strategy
was
even
higher
and
the
ability
to
process
information
so
that
you
know
that
that
new
car
smell
that
you
that
you
get.
Let's
hope
that
your
your
you
hold
the
windows
down,
because
it
really
does
affect
your
ability
to
respond,
and
there
you
know,
there's
a
new
new
building
smell
as
well
right
I
mean
it's
a
common
term
and
and
that's
usually
VOCs
or
other
things.
That's
not
so
great
for
you
so
that
that's
the
things
that
we're
working
on
right
is.
We
were
talking
about
biophilia,
there's
a
great
body
of
research.
H
That's
coming
through!
That
really
is
you
know,
based
on
this
idea
of
that
we've
had
in
you
know
the
create
recreating
an
environment
of
evolutionary
adaption.
So
you
know
we
have
evolved
in
a
certain
way
and
does
it
support
that?
Or
does
it
not
support
that?
And
it's
it's
it's
really
interesting
space
for
us,
because
it
creates
the
opportunity
for
us
to
find
ways
to
have
this
dialogue
with
clients,
there's
more
research
on
aesthetics
of
the
scenic
environment
because
frequently
at
times
we're
faced
with
in.
H
H
And
what
works
is
not
a
bad
idea.
It's
a
pretty
good
idea,
and
so
you
know
we
use
that
as
sort
of
a
baseline
like,
for
instance,
urban
trees,
like
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
we
think
about
buildings.
We
also
have
to
think
about
what's
outside
of
buildings,
because
they
are
interconnected.
So
a
lot
of
great
new
research
on
urban
trees,
health
and
wellness.
H
I
have
a
four
and
a
half
minute
video
I'd
like
to
show
but
I'll
introduce
it
with.
You
know
when
I
said,
I
got
involved
with
this
after
the
earthquake,
I
was
with
hok.
We
agreed
to
do
this
project
pro
bono
and
the
US
GBC
decided
to
help,
because
one
orphanage
had
lost
one
of
their
buildings
and
with
that
kind
of
extent,
of
death
and
homelessness,
there
were
a
lot
of
orphans
in
Haiti,
and
you
know
searching
for
a
design
in
in
something
like
that.
H
H
If,
if
in
fact
conditions
are
so
dire
like
they
were,
is
there
even
room
for
design?
Are
you?
Are
you
just
trying
to
maximize
utility
and
meeting
basic
human
needs,
or
is
there
room
to
do
more
than
that
and
what
was
great
about
the
US
Green
Building
Council?
It
was,
they
said.
No
we're
going
to
were
committed
to
do
something
great.
H
You
know
we're
gonna,
do
a
LEED,
Platinum
project
work,
we're
committed
to
that
into
designing
something
that
will
be
beautiful,
inspiring,
and
you
know
it's
taken
six
years,
but
it's
almost
finished
and
along
the
way
came.
You
know
the
well
building
standard
they
they
agreed
to
volunteer
to
do
the
work
for
that
and
donate
their
own
staff
to
do
the
certification
work-
and
there
was
a
cast
of
you-
know
great
partners
all
over
from
Kohler
and
donated
all
the
plumbing
fixtures
and
solar
city.
The
photovoltaics
and
I'm.
H
The
wood
species
in
the
native
wood
species-
you
know
you
know,
I-
would
imagine
that
that
if
we
went
just
right
across
the
border
into
the
Dominican
Republic,
you
know
there
was
a
pretty
there's
still
a
pretty
rich
forest,
diverse
mix
of
hardwoods
and
softwoods
in
the
higher
elevations,
the
soft
woods
and
the
lower
elevations,
the
you
know
the
denser.
You
know
mahogany's
and
and
hand
woods
that
are
really
fantastic
right
for
using
for
building
and
so
that
you
know
that
was
probably
the
you
know.
H
H
Right
right,
it
is
not
CLT,
and
you
know,
of
course,
at
the
time
six
years
ago
there
was
really
wasn't
much
awareness
of
CLT.
Here,
domestically
it
was
in
Europe.
You
know
we
really
didn't
want
to
bring
in
a
building
on
a
on
a
shipping
container
and
and
and
and
walk
away
and
say.
Okay,
we've
done
this
great
thing
for
you,
but
you
know
good
luck
with
everything
anything
else.
He
did.
H
So
it's
pretty
exciting
to
see
how,
when
coming
sort
of
cities
as
far
as
sand
forests,
the
cities
that
they
can,
they
can
really
work
together
and
there's.
Of
course,
I
can
use
beetle,
kill
wood
as
well
and
CLT,
which
is
unfortunately
with
global
warming.
We're
getting
more
of
that.
But
you
know
all
all
signs
indicate
that
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
really
good
for
not
only
local
economies
and
job
creation.
H
So
you
know
again,
this
was
the
image
of
the
deforestation
we
started
to
look
at.
We
use
a
bio,
a
biomimicry
process
to
to
think
about
how
champion
species
have
weight,
found
ways
to
adapt
and
in
climates
this
happens
to
be
the
kapok
tree.
I
know
we're
running
late,
so
I
won't
get
into
too
much
about
it,
but
the
ability
that
it
has
to
only
be
an
emergent
and
rise
up
above
the
canopy
when
it
needs
to
when
it
doesn't
have
to
compete,
it's
low
and
spreading
on
the
left.
H
So
it
has
this
plasticity
and
there's
what
they
call
in
trick.
Can
it
be
plasticity,
and
so
it's
adaptive
and
storing
water
in
its
roots?
We
started
to
dive
into
well.
What
is
our
this
is
what
you
one
of
the
ways
you
use
biomimicry,
you
say:
what's
our
functional
challenges,
how
do
we
keep
our
concrete
building
from
overheating
in
the
Sun,
and
so
we
looked
at
actually
kind
of
into
the
research
about
bark
on
trees
is
actually
what's
called
a
low
emissivity
surface.
H
So
it
rejects
a
lot
of
the
heat
spectrums
and
only
allows
the
beneficial
ones
in
and,
as
we
were
thinking
about
that
was
so
so
our
challenges,
let
air
in
and
ventilate,
because
it's
a
naturally
ventilated,
building
and
reject
heat.
We
came
up
with
this
idea
of
these
horizontal
bamboo
rods
that
it
would
be
perfect,
slow,
masts
horizontally
placed
in
a
high
place
with
high
Sun
angles.
So
you
bounce
a
lot
of
radiant
energy
away,
turns
out
they
there's
stigma
associated
with
bamboo
poor
persons
material.
H
So
now
we
have
beautiful
wooden
rods,
that'll
last
much
much
longer,
which
is
a
good
thing
and
then
so
we
had
those
sort
of
these
functional
ideas
and
then,
in
the
day
after
Christmas
in
2011,
there
was
this
amazing
story
on
National
Public
Radio.
That
just
happened
to
be
on
the
air
about
the
amazing
resilience
of
trees
has
specifically
related
to
hurricanes,
and
they
talked
about
so
I
knew
about
Marie's
law,
but
I.
Never
really
thought
about
it.
That
deeply
and
Marie's
law
is,
is
a
basic
bifurcation
that
you
see
everywhere.
H
So
your
lungs
keep
bifurcating,
and
so
you
end
up
with
300
million
air
sacs
in
your
lungs.
You
know,
you'll
see
this
in
trees
and
your
capillary
systems,
and
so
the
amount
of
mass
just
keeps
sort
of
basically
bifurcating,
and
so
that
was
a
point
of
inspiration
for
then
using
what
little
wood
we
had,
which
was
bringing
this
idea
of
the
second
skin
around
the
building.
That
would
reject
heat
and
allowed
err
and
then
using
this,
this
Murray's
law,
which
also
scientists,
call
mother-daughter
branching
into
this.
This
structural
system
around
the
courtyard.
H
So
we
finally
kind
of
had
gone
through
a
lot
of
functional
needs,
and
then
we
were
able
to,
through
looking
at
nature,
get
to
a
point
where
we
had
something
that
we
think
was
more
inspirational
and
beautiful,
and
then
they
you
know
midway.
They
had
to
get
another
site.
We
had
to
move
the
building.
We
had
to
flip
it
so
that
it
worked
because
the
building
has
captured
the
Tradewinds,
which
you'll
see
in
the
video
and
now
we're
you
know
we're
underway,
and
so
we'll
play
a
quick
video.
Four
minutes.
J
Project
Katie
has
been
an
incredible
journey
for
the
US
Green
Building
Council,
and
our
many
partners
who
have
come
with
us
along
the
way
six
years
ago,
when
US
GBC
started
this
project.
We
get
into
it
because
we
were
trying
to
provide
some
relief
for
a
country
that
had
just
been
ravaged
by
a
absolutely
horrible
earthquake
that
left
tens
of
thousands
of
children
without
homes
and
without
parents.
Since.
K
Then
the
architecture
has
come
together.
The
construction
has
come
together
and
importantly,
we
have
been
able
to
engage
the
local
h
in
community
guided
by
our
global
partners,
to
build
this
beautiful
Center
to
fusion,
so
that
this
can
become
the
home
for
many
many
children
who
are
waiting
to
have
a
home.
We.
L
J
L
I
Goal
was
to
be
able
to
show
that
it
can
be
done
here.
It
can
be
done
cost-effectively,
and
you
know
when
history
is
written
on
this
thing,
and
people
see
the
way
this
building
actually
works
and
there's
so
little
operating
cost
and
all
of
that
money
is
able
to
go
back
into
programming
for
these
children.
That's
why
we
did
leave
that's
what.
H
Lead
means
because
we
wanted
to
produce
a
low-energy
building
the
challenge
with
a
concrete
building.
Is
it
heats
up
in
the
Sun,
so
we
really
started
to
think
about.
How
could
we
create
a
building
that
really
work
in
Haiti
and
keep
it
extremely
simple?
The
building
is
arranged
to
capture
the
trade
lanes.
Naturally,
ventilated
high
louvers
bring
air
through
every
room.
The.
H
I
H
M
N
J
K
L
K
The
most
important
thing
for
me
personally
is
that
this
is
going
to
give
an
opportunity
for
every
child
to
actually
have
the
power
to
fight
that.
So
what
I'm
hoping
is
that
one
of
the
child
will
eventually
become
the
leader
of
the
US
Green
Building
Council,
and
that's
a
dream.
I
will
share
today
and
make
sure
that
happens.
B
O
Well,
standard
and
passing
off
opossum
benefit
like
for
our
company.
We,
you
know
we
rent
space
from
building
and
partnering
with
the
building
managers,
because
it
seems
like
it's.
It's
gonna
make
your
employees
more
productive,
it's
the
building.
So
to
me
it
needs
to
be
sort
of
the
entire
building
that
needs
to
take
on
these
retrofits
if
it's
currently
existing
and
how
you
really
sell
that
to
them,
because
if
it's
gonna
make
our
employees
smart
adaptive,
our
company
will
profit
and
they
won't
know
too
much
from
it.
B
H
B
H
The
tech
industry
is,
is
one
industry
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
uptake
and
Google's
was
was
right
out
front
with
with
this
they
they
really
do
understand
that
that
their
their
business
demands
depends
upon
the
performance
of
their
employees
and
and
and
now
it
seems
like
all
the
tech
firms
are
really
interested
in
in
this
yeah
yeah
and
they
build
their
own
campuses.
So
you
know
your
question
is
a
good
one
about
the
smaller
projects.
So
you
know,
that's
why
fit
well
is
is
getting
a
lot
of
agent.
H
You
know
it's
getting
a
lot
of
uptake
that
we're
seeing
is
because
it's
easier,
it's
easier
for
smaller
projects,
and
so
you
know
you
know
they
I'd,
you
know.
Dealing
with
existing
buildings
is
always
hard
right.
It's
it's
it's
harder
in
many
ways,
so
I
not
unlike
what
you're
doing
it
you'd
up
right
now,
right
so.
F
I
can
agree
with
tonging
that
you
know
it
is
harder
fighting
small
businesses,
especially
if
you're,
only
renting
a
portion
of
that
building,
because
many
of
these
things
may
be
driven
by
holida,
the
owner,
the
the
person
that
owns
afford
you
have
to
include
stairwells.
You
can't
have
one
section
of
this
stairwell
only
that
would
be
dated
and
would
be
active
staircases
and
things
like
that,
but
what's
kind
of
neat
about
fit
well
and
I.
F
Think
what
we
try
to
do
in
Bellevue
is
like
with
these
within
the
existing
system
or
even
with
an
existing
floor.
What
are
some
strategies
that
you
can
actually
pick
to
apply
and
it
may
not
get
user,
sir,
you
may
not
have
the
threshold
to
be
certified,
but
at
least
you're
making
an
effort
to
do
that,
and
it's
a
very
pretty
it's
very
user
friendly.
F
You
know
you
can
it's
all
online
and
you
can
you
know
kind
of
pick
and
select
the
strategies
that
with
it,
at
least,
if
the
minimum
improved
what
you
have
right
now:
indoor
indoor
air
quality
that
may
kind
of
be
dependent
on
your
mechanical
system.
So
there
may
be
some
things
that
you
can't
really
change,
but
there
may
be
other
things
that
you
can
negotiate
and
see.
If
you
can
change
like
policies,
things
on
the
house.
H
Q
B
R
Q
The
big
bigger
issue
here
is
that
we
we
did
evolve
largely
in
an
environment
where
we're
breathing
outdoor
air
and
we
each
of
us
have
kind
of
microbiome,
and
so
the
the
anthems,
the
bacteria
and
the
other
things
in
our
environment
aren't
things
that
our
bodies
are
used
to
and
we've
been
stripping
that
away
over
time,
and
so
there's
there's
some
indication
that
the
recirculated
bacteria
in
buildings
isn't
necessary.
Good
for
us
or
what's
outdoors,
is
actually
has
other
benefits.
So
it's
hard
to
reduce
it
to
a
single
measure.
E
S
S
D
H
And
I
think
that
you
know
that's
what
I
was
hoping
in
that
the
slides
for
that
video,
because
what
happened
over
that
period
of
time
on
that
project
was
you
know
this
building
is
just
super
super
simple
and
it's
naturally,
by
the
way,
does
have
a
PV
array
on
the
roof
and
has
a
water
filtration
system.
Well,
as.
P
P
M
A
G
A
Had
a
sense
of
frustration
at
the
same
time,
because
the
research
that
you're
all
doing
an
estate
funded
university
needs
to
make
its
way
to
Olympia,
because
the
way
the
affordable
housing
funding
is
being
distributed,
it's
based
on
perform
about
unit
and
so
the
state
of
Washington,
even
though
it
has
the
Evergreen
sustainable
development
standard,
they
are
not
really
funding
a
higher
level
of
healthy
building
because
they
have
this.
You
know
benchmark
or
forma.
That's
down
here
in
the
puffy
building
is
up
here
and
so
and
in
particular
the
project
Tamura
in
chula
derivatives.
A
Her
project
has
really
raised
our
awareness
around
this
problem
because
we
have
a
really
we
have
a
great
project.
That's
going
to
be
using
the
built
green
emerald,
star
certification
in
they're
also
doing
Living,
Building
Challenge
petal
I
mean
it's
just
a
really
cool
pilot
project,
but
the
state
saying
you
know
we
don't
care
if
you
do
better.
So
just
as
long
as
you
meet
this
minimum
benchmark,
you
know
that's
what
we
want
to
fund
all
these
other
bells
and
whistles
we're
not
really
interested
in.
A
A
G
D
A
Q
A
And
it's
a
challenge,
I
think
for
a
lot
of
the
cities
in
China,
because
they're
not
until
a
territory,
so
the
benefits
that
city
later
moving
together.
Bonneville
Power
is
now
kind
of
on
board,
with
similar
or
even
better
incentive
programs,
but
then
PFE,
who
takes
up
a
whole
lot
of
space
and
other
the
city
of
seattle,
has
caught
on
quite
yet
funny.