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From YouTube: Climate Assembly, 23rd June 2021
Description
The Route to Zero Taskforce was established in 2019 to support the preparation of a Route to Zero Action Plan. As the Action Plan was endorsed by Full Council in January 2021, the taskforce has since been disbanded. As part of a review of the wider Governance arrangements for Route to Zero, it has been agreed that the Taskforce should now transition to a Climate Assembly. Birmingham’s first Climate Assembly, took place on line from 4 to 6pm on Wednesday 23 June 2021.
Further information is available here:
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20015/environment/2026/climate_emergency/5
A
Thank
you
good
good
afternoon.
Colleagues,
I'm
I'm
sorry,
it's
taking
a
bit
longer
to
start
this
meeting
than
than
originally
planned.
We
were
having
one
or
two
technical
issues.
I
just
want
to
say
a
very
good
afternoon
to
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
joining
us
to
this
route
to
zero
climate
assemblies.
The
first
time
we're
meeting
as
a
climate
assembly
and
I'll
go
into
some
aspects
about
where
what
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
around
the
task
force
and
how
it's
evolved
into
the
climate
assembly
today.
A
The
chat
function
won't
be
visible
on
the
recording,
so
recording
will
will
go
up
on
the
council's
website
that
people
who
haven't
been
able
to
join
us
today,
so
they
can
watch
back
the
the
proceedings
of
today's
meeting
the
q.
A
function
will
be
available,
so
questions
can
be
asked
there.
If
they
cannot
be
answered
in
the
allotted
time,
we
will
answer
them
after
the
meeting.
A
So,
if
anyone's
got
any
questions,
any
comments,
please
do
tap
them
into
the
the
live
event,
q,
a
section
and
we
will
try
to
take
them
and
as
best
possible,
we
we
are
still
very
much
in
the
pandemic
and
meeting
under
the
circumstances
which
allow
which,
which
disable
us
from
meeting
in
large
public
gathering
as
we
may
have
today.
So
this
climate
assembly
is
the
first
time
we're
meeting
as
a
team's
live
event.
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
learning
coming
out
of
today's
meeting.
A
A
At
the
same
time,
the
council
declared
that
emergency
we
also
committed
to
set
up
a
route
to
zero
climate
change
task
force,
which
has
been
meeting
up
until
earlier
this
year
and
pulled
together
a
route
to
zero
action
plan
which
was
adopted
by
full
council
at
burma,
city
council,
the
book
council
being
all
elected
members
on
the
council
who
meet
once
a
month.
Yesterday,
we
had
a
meeting
too
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
wider
governance
arrangements
for
the
the
the
route
to
zero
program.
A
It
was
agreed
that
the
track
the
task
force
should
evolve
into
a
climate
assembly
and
today
is
the
first
time
that
the
climate
assembly
is
meeting
the
task
force
when
he
met
had
a
select
group
of
people
who
were
invited
from
a
wide
range
of
organizations
from
business
to
faith,
to
community
and
education,
to
weird
universities
and
many
other
groups
on
board.
But
we
want.
A
We
wanted
to
open
up
today's
session
to
the
wider
public,
because
we
know
there
is
so
much
social
asset
there
who
want
to
help
the
council
and
the
city
and
it's
a
very
bold
and
brave
target.
Being
carbon
neutral
by
2030
and
come
together
to
tackle
climate
change
in
a
variety
of
ways,
so
the
climate
assembly
will
provide
a
forum
for
the
city,
council
and
all
other
organizations
to
update
the
wider
community
and
the
work
that's
being
undertaken.
So
we've
got
a
number
of
reports
today.
A
As
I
said,
good
progress
has
been
made
since
the
declaration
of
the
climate
emergency
in
june
2019,
and
we
have
a
program-
enriches
your
program
where
I'm
now
going
to
hand
over
to
maria
who
will
update
us
on
the
work
that's
taken
place
thus
far,
and
then
we
can
also
take
some
questions
from
those
that
are
here.
So
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
you
maria
now
to
take
us
through
the
presentation.
Please.
B
Thank
you,
council,
zafar
good
afternoon.
Everyone
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
today
and
I've
just
got
a
brief
presentation
which
outlines
some
of
the
background.
Apologies
to
those
of
you
who
are
aware
of
the
story
so
far,
and
but
we
have
some
new
members
in
the
room
today,
so
we're
just
going
to
recap
on
some
of
the
background
and
bring
you
up
to
date
with
where
we
are.
B
B
We
have
undertaken
a
great
deal
of
work
since,
since
the
emergency
was
declared
in
2019,
we've
undertaken
a
baseline
today
we
appointed
consultants
and
thesis
to
undertake
that
work
for
us
and
that
helps
us
to
understand
the
current
emissions
in
the
city
and
the
interventions
that
will
be
needed
to
achieve
the
net
zero
target.
For
those
of
you
who
haven't
seen
that
work,
it
is
available.
It
was
reported
to
full
council
in
september
2020
and
is
available
on
the
council's
website,
and
we
can
share
a
link
to
that
after
the
meeting.
B
B
I
am
just
going
to
pick
up
on
some
key
key
progress
points
so
under
new
build.
Our
future
city
plan
will
set
out
a
vision
for
the
future
of
birmingham
and
it
focuses
on
a
green
and
sustainable
city
and
we've
undertaken
first
stage
consultation
document
and
that's
available
online
and
we
share
links
after
the
meeting
and
but
that
really
starts
to
embed
the
net
zero
carbon
thinking
in
the
future
development
strategy
for
the
city.
B
B
Building
upon
that,
the
council
is
working
in
collaboration
with
national
lottery,
heritage
fund,
national
trust
and
the
ministry
of
housing
and
communities
and
local
government.
The
project
is
across
nine
different
local
authorities
and
the
birmingham
programme
is
specifically
designed
to
protect
and
develop
natural
resources
in
urban
areas
and
to
make
sure
quality.
Green
space
is
accessible
for
everyone
now
and
into
the
future,
and
building
upon
that
theme,
we
have
termed
one
of
the
actions
in
the
action
plan,
the
city
of
nature.
B
B
We
also
have
the
birmingham
transport
plan,
that's
currently
in
draft,
and
it's
expected
to
be
adopted
policy
by
the
end
of
this
year.
It
will
be
accompanied
by
a
live
delivery
plan
which
will
have
more
detail
on
the
schemes
and
specific
interventions,
funding
and
carbon
impacts,
and
it
will.
It
will
essentially
enhance
walking
and
cycling
linkages
and
public
transport
provision,
particularly
within
the
city
centre,
but
also
those
key
routes
into
the
city
centre,
and
it
will
really
start
to
focus
on
reducing
car
use
within
the
city
centre.
B
We
have
erdf
funding
secured
for
energy
for
an
energy
saving
pilot
again
through
bmht,
and
we
have
more
detail
to
follow
that
on.
Follow
in
the
new
build
presentation,
and
we
also
have
secured
funding
from
the
green
homes
grant
local
authority
scheme
for
retrofit
and
that's
a
scheme
that
will
will
deliver
around
six
million
pounds
worth
of
funding
to
retrofit
existing
homes.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
wave
one
monitoring
how
we're
making
sure
that
these
projects
are
delivered,
we
have
monthly
reporting
taking
place
on
all
of
the
waveform
projects,
and
this
captures
progress.
Next
steps
and
risk
status,
and
then
we
can
give
extra
support
to
projects
that
may
need
assistance
to
get
back
on
track.
We
can
work
with
the
project
owners
to
try
and
identify
those
issues
that
are
slowing
the
project
down
or
or
aren't
working
as
they
should
be.
B
B
Beyond
that.
Next,
a
further
wave
of
projects
come
on
stream
and
that
will
be
wave
two.
Those
projects
are
the
projects
that
will
take
us
to
2030
and
hopefully
to
net
zero
carbon
wave.
Three
then,
we'll
continue
to
focus
on
that
work
in
terms
of
reducing
carbon
emissions,
and
we
know
that
in
order
to
get
to
2030
in
order
to
get
to
net
zero
carbon.
B
So
we
will
have
a
program
of
continuous
evaluation
and
re-evaluation
of
the
projects
to
ensure
that
they're
on
track
and
delivering
and
that
once
they're
delivered,
they
are
reduced
in
emissions
and
and
seeing
what
more
we
can
do
to
really
drive
down
those
emissions
through
those
projects
and
we'll
also
be
in
a
continuous
process
of
monitoring
the
external
environment
and
explain,
exploring
funding
options
and
securing
grant
funding
and
commercial
funding
for
our
route
zero
program.
Thank.
A
A
A
Quite
a
few
over
20
questions
were
submitted
prior
to
the
meeting.
Do
you
want
to
try
and
respond
to
some
of
those
now,
and
we
might
also,
whilst
you
respond
to
them,
get
some
more
questions
from
from
the
participants
in
the
meeting.
I
know
there's
some
questions
that
are
coming
in
around
the
technology
and,
as
I
said
at
the
outset,
these
aren't
normal
circumstances.
I
really
would
have
loved
to
have
this
meeting
in
in
the
city
center
and
also
we
had
over
a
hundred
people
sign
up
to
the
meeting.
A
So
it
would
have
been
quite
difficult
to
have
a
a
teams
meeting
with
so
many
attendees,
with
full
access
in
all
full
teams
access.
So
we've
had
to
adopt
this
system,
which
is
called
a
teams,
live
meeting
where
the
presenters
and
those
answering
questions
will
be
able
to
be
on
screen
and
everybody
else
will
be
behind
the
live
event.
Q,
a
but
we're
happy
to
take
some
learning
away
from
that
and
look
at
what
may
be
a
better
better
way
of
doing
it
in
future
meetings.
B
Thank
you,
council
zafar.
Yes,
I
was
just
going
to
pick
up
on
three
questions
in
particular
that
that
came
in
prior
to
the
meeting,
and
so
the
first
one
is:
when
will
substantive
action
plans
for
reducing
bcc
internal
carbon
emissions
and
city-wide
emissions
be
published,
including
carbon
reduction,
trajectories
against
which
progress
can
be
measured?
And
the
answer
to
that
question
is
that
we're
currently
starting
to
track
carbon
emissions
for
projects,
and
we
will
provide
for
further
updates
and
council
in
january
2022.
B
Sorry,
I'm
just
juggling
the
technology,
and
so
in
terms
of
one
of
the
other
questions,
we've
been
asked.
What
has
happened
to
the
level
of
carbon
dioxide
emissions
in
the
city
since
the
climate
emergency
was
adopted
in
june?
2019
data
is
back
dated
two
years,
so
in
june
2019
we
would
have
been
working
off
2016
data
and
birmingham
co2
reductions
were
39.3
against
the
1990
baseline.
B
The
most
up-to-date
data
we
have
currently
is
from
2019,
at
which
time
our
reductions
were
43.5
against
the
1990
baseline.
So
obviously,
what
we
need
to
do
is
to
continue
to
monitor
our
emissions
against
the
1990
baseline
and
look
for
that.
The
increase
in
reduction
to
to
continue
to
go
up
and
to
go
up
a
greater
pace.
B
And
lastly,
before,
hopefully
we
go
on
to
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked.
In
this
meeting.
We
were
asked
how
many
staff
posts
were
dedicated
to
the
implementation
of
the
climate
action
plan
and
how
many
posts
have
been
created
and
how
many
have
been
filled.
So
we're
in
the
process
of
us,
putting
together
a
climate
change
team.
C
B
I
mean
I
can
stop
from
an
office
point
of
view,
and
then
I
have
perhaps
if
councillor
zaful
wants
to
add
to
this
one
yeah.
I
think
our
greatest
challenges
are
really
bringing
about
that
change
in
thinking
and
behavior
change
across
the
city
and
internally,
as
a
council
who
really
drive
forward
the
the
carbon
reduction
in
terms
of
project
delivery.
A
If,
if
I
can
just
add
to
that,
I
think
totally
agree
with
what
maria
said,
I
think
for
me.
There's
within
the
organization
there's
also
need
for
behavior
and
cultural
change.
I
think
it's
not
easy
when
you've
got
institutions
as
big
as
burmese
city
council
to
ensure
that
everybody
within
the
organization
understands
the
the
challenges
of
around
climate
change
and
we're
trying
our
best
to
embed
that
new
culture
within
within
our
organization.
A
I
think,
beyond
our
organization
ensuring
that
we've
got
the
legislative
powers
to
to
make
some
of
these
changes
from
government
devolve
down
from
government
and
from
region
authorities
and
the
resources
to
go
alongside,
I
think,
is
really
really
important.
I
think
part
of
our
challenges.
We've
we've
set
up
very
bold
and
brave
target
of
2030..
The
combined
authority
has
a
2041
date.
The
government
has
a
2050
date,
so
he's
trying
to
lobby
regional
partners
and
national
government
that
we
need
to
move
a
lot
faster
on
this
very,
very
important
agenda.
A
A
So
you
know
utilizing
some
of
those
excellent
act
activists
on
this
call
today
and
some
of
the
community
networks
that
we've
been
talking
to
for
some
time
to
go
into
every
single
neighborhood
get
people
to
understand
how
very
simple
basic
changes
to
the
way
they
live.
Their
lives
can
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
environment
rather
than
a
negative
impact.
So
it's
getting
those
little
changes
that
will
go
a
long
way
in
in
helping
us
as
a
city
and
society
address
those
environmental
challenges
that
are
really
important
back
to
you,
maria.
C
Yeah
we've
got
another
five
minutes:
okay,
there's
another
one
here
from
simon
from
greener
birmingham
asking
maria.
This
is
a
big
system
change
for
birmingham.
What
sort
of
resources
are
available
for
you
to
drive
this
across
council?
I
think
we've
started
to
answer
that
through
another
question
about
the
team
resource.
So
maybe
just
need
to
reiterate
that
for
now.
B
Yes,
so
we
have
we're,
obviously
putting
together
a
team
and
that
team
will
have
a
dedicated
budget
in
terms
of
the
resources
that
are
available.
All
of
the
projects
within
the
action
plan
have
their
own
resource
with
their
own
directorates,
and
so
the
the
climate
change
route
to
zero
budget
is
essentially
about
sort
of
the
program
management
element
and
the
schemes
that
we
deliver
will
be
attracting
funding
from
either
directorate
budgets
or
external
funding
sources.
A
Sources
ellie.
Can
I
just
respond
to
a
question
that
karen
craven's
absolutely
really
important
question
karen
and
your
support
and
the
organization
support
active
wellbeing.
Society's
support
will
be
essential.
I
I've
often
said
that
the
the
meetings
that
we've
been
having,
where
they
say,
climate
change,
task
force
or
other
such
initiatives
in
the
city
do
not
look
like
the
city.
A
It's
very
white
middle-class
conversations
we've
been
having
and
it's
really
important
that
we
go
into
every
single
neighborhood
where
these
inner
city
bank
communities
or
what
working
class
neighborhoods
and
start
to
have
these
very
important
conversations
with
with
those
particular
communities
where
there
are
significant
challenges,
all
sorts
of
challenges
in
those
communities.
So
we
absolutely
need
to
provide
the
right
level
of
support
to
them
to
ensure
that
we've
got
to
just
transition,
but
we
can't
provide
the
support.
A
We
can't
have
expectations
of
those
communities
without
first
engaging
with
them
and
talking
to
them
and
understanding
their
needs
and
and
trying
to
explain
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here.
So
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
try
and
have
those
very,
I
wouldn't
even
say,
neighborhood
level.
I
say
street
level
conversations
with
with
those
communities,
so
any
support
that
the
active
wellbeing,
society
or
any
other
organization
working
in
the
city,
particularly
those
hyper
local
organizations,
can
give
us
will
be
essential
in
this.
A
A
Do
we
so
I'm
going
to
move
this
on,
but
what
I'm
going
to
say
during
the
course
of
the
meeting,
we
will
be
trying
to
pick
up
a
response
to
some
of
these
questions
and
keep
the
questions
coming.
Even
if
you
can't
respond
to
them
during
the
course
of
the
meeting,
we
will
do
our
best
to
respond
to
them
later.
So
let's
keep
the
conversation
going.
Maria.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Do
you
want
to
take
your
your
slides
off
please
because
thank
you.
A
A
D
C
C
A
D
D
D
D
In
addition,
the
properties
in
gristle
lane
that
we're
piloting
will
include
solar
panels
on
the
roof.
The
roof
will
actually
store
bring
in
energy
generate
energy
from
the
sun.
That
will
also
be
then
stored
in
a
battery.
The
picture
that
you
can
see
just
it's
it's
an
option:
one
option
of
how
the
battery
could
look,
there's
many
different
types
and
the
battery
will
then
store
the
energy
so
that
tenants
who
live
in
the
property
will
be
able
to
use
that
free
energy
both
during
the
day
and
in
the
evenings.
D
Other
ways
of
saving
energy
and
reducing
bills
are
using
heat
pumps
and
they
can
be
air
source,
heat
pumps
or
ground
source
heat
pumps,
but
they
both
work
in
a
similar
way
in
that
they
absorb
heat.
So
the
air
source
heat
pumps
absorb
absorbs
heat
from
outside,
brings
it
in
and
uses
that
heat
to
actually
heat
up
your
radiators
and
your
hot
water
and
any
under
floor
heating
and
exactly
the
same
principle
applies
to
the
ground
source
heat
pumps.
D
D
D
The
gressel
lane
scheme
will
have
36
properties,
2,
3,
4,
5
and
6
bedrooms
all
will
be
for
council
rent,
so
they're
going
to
include
heat
pumps,
solar
panels
which
are
flush
to
the
roof
car
charging
points.
The
nvhrs
that
I
talked
about
earlier
we'll
also
be
using
ground
floor,
underfloor
heating,
a
first
floor
radiators
and
the
battery
storage
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
In
addition,
we're
going
to
trial
on
the
four
green
properties
you
can
see
on
the
map,
waste
water,
heat
recovery.
D
So
that's
electric
charging
points
an
electric
socket
that
supplies
energy
to
plug
in
electric
vehicles.
The
solar
panels
on
the
roof
that
converts
solar
energy
into
free
electrical
energy
that
can
be
stored
in
the
battery
and
used
by
the
tenant
later
water
heat
recycling
is
the
use
of
heat
exchanger
to
recover
energy
and
reuse
heat
from
drain
water
from
various
activities
such
as
dishwashing
clothes,
washing
and
showers.
The
technology
is
used
to
reduce
primary
energy
consumption
for
water
heat.
D
Fund
properties
are
going
to
be
funded
by
erdf
and
the
housing
revenue
account
will
match
funds
those
30.
They
will
also
fully
fund
six
properties
so
that
all
36
properties
will
have
some
form
of
those
technologies
going
forward.
Grace
elaine
has
got
planning
permission
and
the
tender
process
has
started.
The
target
date
to
be
on
site
is
january,
2022,
with
a
completion
date
of
2023.
D
The
properties
will
be
allocated
using
the
the
birmingham
city
council,
allocations
policy
and
monitoring
and
evaluation
will
be
carried
out
with
the
new
tenant
to
learn
lessons
from
it.
Also,
the
the
tenants
will
be
trained
in
terms
of
how
to
live
in
these
properties
because
it
will
be
slightly
different
from
a
traditional
bmht
property.
D
D
D
In
addition,
birmingham
municipal
housing
trust
have
developed
a
building
specification
which
we
pass
on
to
contractors
and
truck
contractors
use
that
to
to
build
our
properties.
For
us,
the
governments
have
announced
that
by
2025,
all
new
homes
will
have
no
gas
and
will
instead
be
heated
by
low
carbon
alternatives,
and
that's
the
reasons
for
trialling
the
passive
house
schemes
and
the
technologies
in
gristle
lane.
D
A
Thanks
buddy
so
ellie
looking
at
the
q,
a
section
which
of
these
questions
that
have
come
in
thus
far
are
for
belly.
I
know
lisa's
question
is
definitely
for
bali,
so
the
question
from
lisa
tricky
is
given
the
low
cost
of
running
zero
carbon
houses.
How
are
you
going
to
address
the
right
the
risk
of
right
to
buy
and
ensure
these
are
maintained
for
community
good.
A
So
when
I
referred
earlier
to
legislation
helping
us
or
hindering
us,
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
need
to
take
a
closer
closer
look
at
and
obviously
use
our
loving
powers
as
a
local
authority
to
take
the
challenge
to
to
central
government
ellie.
Are
there
any
other
questions
there
that
are
specific
for
bali's
presentation.
C
D
Well,
I
mean
past
part
of
it
is
to
actually
implement
them.
Do
our
monitoring?
Do
our
evaluation
learn
lessons
from
them
and
then
actually
roll
roll
out?
What
we've
learned
to
to
other
bmht
schemes?
In
addition
to
that,
we've
got
the
building
regulations.
Changes
coming
in,
as
I've
mentioned
in
2025
we're
looking
at
our
build
specification
now
to
uplift,
the
the
energy,
so
we're
actually
ready
for
that.
So
the
pilot
schemes,
the
beer
actually
specification,
is
all
about
getting
ready
to
move
forward
so
that
we
can
reduce
carbon
emissions.
C
C
D
A
Right
great,
okay,
thank
you,
as
today
keep
the
questions
coming
in.
There
will
be
some
we
take
away
and
respond
to.
Colleagues
on
and
there'll
be
some
that
we
answer
during
the
course
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you
bali
for
that
presentation
and
taking
those
questions,
do
you
want
to
take
down
your
slides
for
us
please?
E
E
E
I
I
happen
to
really
like
this
quote,
because
it's
talking
about
how
people
follow
maps,
but
actually
very
few
people,
make
them
and-
and
we're
really
in
this
position
right
now
of
having
to
create
a
map
from
something
that
nobody
else
has
a
root
plan
for.
In
terms
of
this
difference
between
the
two
sides
of
climate
change.
There's
considerable
emphasis,
rightly
so,
on
the
mitigation,
which
is
reducing
our
emissions
and
having
smart
technology
in
place.
E
But
what's
equally
important,
is
how
we
adapt
to
an
already
changed
climate
and
an
already
changed
natural
environment,
and
this
program
that
I'm
describing
is
our
sort
of
response
to
that
natural
environment
and
the
ecological
crisis.
That's
also
well
spoken
about
on
a
on
a
global
scale,
but
also
impacts
us
here
in
in
birmingham,
the
the
requirement
from
government
to
have
a
25-year
environment
plan
which
they're
signed
up
to
came
from
this
graph.
E
So
our
challenge
in
this
future
parks
accelerator
in
the
little
circle
there
is
to
move
birmingham
city
council
off
the
railroad
track.
That
is,
that
red
line
onto
the
green
dotted
line
in
terms
of
how
can
we
actually
change
our
businesses
usual
operations
into
a
totally
different
configuration
and
over
time
build
the
critical
capacity
that
we're
going
to
need
to
deliver
that
change,
which
is
why
each
of
those
segments
are
larger
and
deeper
green,
because
it's
responding
to
that
ratchet
principle.
E
That's
in
the
climate
accord
published
in
paris,
so
we've
had
a
history
in
birmingham
of
working
on
this
agenda.
The
green
living
spaces
plan
was
published
in
2013.
It
was
cited
as
national
best
practice
and
in
in
fact,
on
an
eu
scale.
We
were
working
with
the
eu
cities
adapt
right
now.
We're
working
with
our
colleagues
in
planning
and
the
whole
city
is
trying
to
pull
these
threads
together
around
our
ambitions
for
climate
and
our
ambitions
for
nature
and
we're
re-titling.
This
whole
strand
of
the
climate
action
city
of
nature.
E
Colleagues,
around
green
skills
for
the
future,
our
housing
department
about
how
we
can
connect
people
with
that
and
the
whole
planning
process,
our
health
and
well-being
and
public
health
and
social
care
and
the
future
of
children
and
actually
working
with
our
children's
trust
in
terms
of
children
in
care
and
young
people
in
care
in
the
city.
And
how
can
you
bring
all
these
agendas
together
and
use
the
natural
environment
as
part
of
the
delivery
mechanism
to
obtain
these
outcomes
that
we
seek
as
a
city?
E
What
we've
identified
is:
there's
a
few
gaps,
there's
a
few
critical
gaps
that
we
need
to
bridge
to
actually
get
us
there
and
we've
called
these
frameworks
and
environmental
justice
is
one
of
those
I'll
go
on
to
talk
about
each
of
those,
but
obviously
we're
all
sort
of
conscious
of
the
fact
we
want
to
live
in
a
healthy
city.
We
really
want
to
have
a
citizen
engagement
model
and
the
finance
of
how
we
actually
pay
for
this.
E
E
The
way
in
which
we
might
fund
that
at
the
moment
we're
very
good
at
this
sort
of
micro
funding
working
with
communities
looking
at
sites
operating
at
a
small
scale.
But
the
scale
of
the
challenge
is
such
that
we're
going
to
have
to
be
looking
at
macro
programs,
major
programs,
maria
and
councillors.
If
I've
already
recognized
the
fact
that
all
the
funding
is
coming
on
stream
and
that's
what
we're
looking
at
we're.
E
Also
looking
at
sitting
setting
up
a
community-based
alliance
that
can
work
together
with
the
third
sectors
and
be
that
interface
between
the
council
and
the
communities.
In
terms
of
how
do
we
reach
those
groups
and
those
parts
of
the
city
we
haven't
traditionally
reached
and
worked
with,
and
this
central
issue
of
capacity
building?
How
can
all
parts
of
the
council
recognize
within
their
work
programs
and
within
their
future
work
programs?
E
How
the
natural
environment
forms
part
of
that
solution,
joining
the
dots
effectively?
What
we're
going
to
produce
is
a
25-year
vision
document
that'll,
go
to
cabinet
in
september
and
then
go
out
to
public
consultation
and
we'd
really
like
to
have
your
support
and
comments
on
that.
But
essentially,
there's
going
to
be
sort
of
five
areas
of
delivery.
Looking
at
this
whole
issue
of
a
healthy
city,
a
just
city
engaged
city,
we
want
to
have
a
city,
that's
responsive,
to
community
need
and
engagement
and
in
terms
of
climate
delivery.
A
Thank
you
nick
there's,
a
few
questions
that
have
come
in
there's
one
in
particular
from
liam
burn
mp,
which
which
asks
about
developing
a
cold
valley
country
park
and
how
we
can
work
on
that.
I
think
simon
either
has
started
to
answer
that,
but
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
anything
further
to
add
to
that.
E
A
Great
liam,
in
terms
of
your
question,
about
putting
a
bid
to
the
combined
authority
to
ask
for
use
of
their
balance
sheet.
Absolutely
I
think
we,
as
I
said
earlier.
We
need
to
look
at
not
just
financial
resources
but
also
legislative
powers
from
national
regional
government.
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
bit
more
work
about
these
asks
as
a
local
authority
in
a
city
to
our
regional
national
partners.
A
So
I'd
love
to
start
this
conversation,
I
think
we
may
be
meeting
on
friday
on
other
matters,
but
maybe
we
can
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
talking
about
how
we
can
progress
with
this
bob.
Your
question
around
free
public
transport,
I'd
love,
free
trance,
public
transport,
in
birmingham
I'd
I'd
take
you
know,
I'd
I'll,
take
their
offer
any
day
of
the
week,
but
the
bus
services
act.
2017
stops
local
authorities
setting
up
municipal
bus
companies.
A
It
gives
mares
extra
powers,
we've
seen
that
being
utilized
in
greater
manchester
with
the
andy
burnham,
really
utilizing
those
powers
and
starting
the
process
of
getting
the
buses
back
into
public
ownership.
Our
andy
street's
taking
a
different
approach,
so
the
best
we
can
do
at
the
moment
is
the
enhanced
partnership
route
and
I
think
again
we
need
to
look
lobby,
the
mayor
of
the
west
midlands,
on
looking
at
how
we
can
make
public
transport
more
feasible
in
the
city.
A
What
we're
certainly
doing
as
a
local
authority
is
enhancing
on
the
improving
the
reliability
of
the
bus
service
in
our
city
and
and
particularly
looking
at
how
we
can
introduce
bus
gates
and
bus
lanes
right
across
our
city
to
to
to
improve
the
the
journey
times
on
that
and
we're
also
looking
at
the
mean
so
we've
we're.
We've
got
20
hydrogen
buses
arriving
soon.
We've
also
got
a
bid
at
the
moment
for
another
200
before
the
commonwealth
games.
That
will
be
a
game
changer.
A
There
is
no
city
in
the
world
that
has
200
hydrogen
buses.
We
want
birmingham
to
be
the
first
and
the
test
bed
for
hydrogen
buses.
The
national
test
bed
for
hydrogen
buses,
which
will
open
all
sorts
of
areas
in
terms
of
you
know
a
hydrogen
supply
line
and
help
with
creating
jobs
in
the
supply
chain.
Here
in
our
city
too,
so
there's
a
lot
of
work.
We
will
be
we're
doing
there,
there's
a
question
there
about
low
traffic
neighborhoods.
A
I
I'm
not
sure
I
necessarily
agree
with
the
the
statement
that
anonymous
has
made
there
that
there
have
been
some
challenges
in
kings.
Ethan.
Currently,
local
elected
members
are
working
with
council
officers
and
myself
and
the
and
the
relevant
members
of
parliament
to
ensure
that
we
address
them
and
there
has
been
some
substantial
improvements
in
traffic
flow.
C
Yeah,
there's
one
from
anna
bright
from
sustainability
west
midlands
for
nick
asking.
How
does
this
fit
with
the
work
of
the
wmca
on
the
natural
capital
strategy
for
the
reason
region?
Sorry,
and
given
the
need
for
connectivity
between
the
nature
recovery
networks?
How
are
you
working
with
neighboring
local
authorities
on
this.
E
So
we're
one
of
the
pilot
authorities
driving
this
forward
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we've
been
working
right
across
the
west
midlands
with
the
birmingham
black
country
and
the
warwickshire
wildlife
trust
and
we've
been
working
with
wmca
and
engaging
on
their
natural
capital
work
and
in
fact
the
the
whole
thing
is,
is
being
joined
together
and
from
a
nature
point
of
view.
It
needs
to
be
joined
together
from
a
natural
capital
point
of
view.
E
E
I
I
mentioned
at
the
start,
I'm
also
a
senior
research
fellow
at
the
university,
where
we're
looking
at
air
quality
and
looking
at
the
placement
of
trees
and
future
forests
and
again
we're
looking
at
that
in
a
collective
sense
as
to
how
and
where
they
could
best
serve
all
these
purposes
in
relation
to
health
and
well-being,
air
quality
and
nature
recovery.
So
good
question
anna
and
happy
to
follow
that
up
with
you
outside
of
this
meeting.
If
you
wish.
C
And
there's
just
one
more:
I'm
gonna
do
due
to
time
constraints
for
nick,
but
I
think
that
I
know
kind
of
the
answer
ready.
But
it's
from
anonymous
saying
that
we
need
to
speak
of
the
massive
health
benefits
for
improving
our
environment
and
of
the
consequent
massive
reduction
of
resource
pressure
on
the
nhs
and
other
health
support
services.
And
you
know
it
will
lead
to
improvements
in
in
mental
health
and
we
need
to
recognize
that
and
speak
about
it
more.
But
I'm
sure
that
you'll
agree
with
that.
E
That
will
support
what
we're
proposing
here
from
the
health
outcomes
point
of
view
and
how
we
can
draw
those
two
threads
together,
because
health
sits
right
at
the
center
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
and
whoever's.
Whoever
submitted
that
100
in
favor
of
that
recommendation
and
comment,
and
we
are
following
it
through
yeah
thanks.
A
Great,
thank
you
that
was
a
really
helpful
session
and
and
questions
keep
flowing
in,
which
is
brilliant,
so
we're
getting
a
good
level
of
engagement
nick.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
update.
No
doubt
we
will
see
you
again
with
further
updates.
Moving
across
to
someone
who's
been
incredibly
busy.
The
last
few
weeks,
the
head
of
the
clean
air
zone
at
birmingham
city
council,
steve
arnold
who's,
going
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
brum
breeds
campaign.
F
F
It's
also
worth
noting
that
the
idea,
the
concept
of
a
clean
air
zone
or
something
similar
to
address
air
quality
is
is,
is
a
concept
that's
been
rolled
out
across
europe
and
other
cities
around
the
world.
So
we're
not
alone
in
that.
What
also
cover
off
is
how
we're
progressing
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
key
groups
of
people
are
supported
through
this
transition.
F
Really
one
of
those
is
obviously
route
to
zero,
but
there's
also
the
draft
transport
plan,
which
has
been
out
for
consultations
due
to
come
back
to
cabinet
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
The
clean
air
zone
through
some
of
the
behavior
changes
that
we
expect
to
see
will
absolutely
help
to
drive
some
of
those
some
of
those
changes,
so
poor
air
quality
remains
the
single
biggest
environmental
risk
to
public
health.
F
It
blights
the
lives
of
thousands
of
people
in
birmingham
and
across
the
country
every
single
day
it
is
it
is.
There
is
very,
very
strong
evidence
that
demonstrates
that
poor
air
quality
is
linked
to
to
worsening
the
impacts
of
chronic
health
disease.
It's
been
linked
to
increased
incidence
of
heart
disease
and
a
number
of
other
illnesses
as
well.
F
One
of
the
really
startling
things
that
we've
pulled
out
is
that
children
in
high
pollution
areas
are
four
times
more
likely
to
have
reduced
lung
function
and
poor
equality
disproportionately
impacts
the
young,
the
older
and
people
living
in
deprivation.
So
there
absolutely
is
is
a
need
to
do
something
about
this,
and
for
booming
in
particular
the
the
single
biggest
air
quality
challenge
that
we
have
is
nitrogen
dioxide.
F
It's
been
identified
as
an
issue
in
birmingham
for
some
time
and
we've
done
that,
and
we
monitor
that
through
the
the
annual
status
reports,
where
all
the
data
is
published
on
an
annualized
basis,
but
80
of
roadside
nitrogen
dioxide
comes
from
road
transport
and
in
birmingham
46
percent
of
their
roadside
knocks
is
from
diesel
cars.
So
so
the
clean
air
zone
enables
us
to
tackle
the
source
of
the
problem
and,
importantly
in
line
with
the
minister
or
direction
that
we're
working
to
to
do
so
in
the
shortest
possible
time.
F
F
We've
introduced
a
type
d,
clean
air
zone
that
covers
all
types
of
vehicles
and
it's
an
area
that
is
operation
within
the
a4540
middleway
daily
charges
apply
24
hours
a
day
from
midnight
to
midnight
and
that's
in
line
with
all
the
other
clean
air
zones
that
are
being
introduced.
It's
also
in
line
with
london's
ules.
F
The
charging
is
in
two
steps:
cars
taxiing
and
vans
at
eight
pounds,
hdbs,
coaches,
coaches
and
buses
at
50
pounds.
The
the
the
pricing
is
actually
something
the
government
provides
guidance
on,
so
there's
a
range
that
clean
air
zone
cities
are
expected
to
put
their
pricing
at,
but
through
modelling.
The
pricing
is
the
for.
The
daily
fee
is
expected
to
encourage
behavior
change
to
do
so
in
the
shortest
possible
time,
but
we
also
put
the
pricing
out
through
the
consultation
and
we've
come
in
at
the
lower
end
of
the
pricing
range.
F
F
F
Portsmouth
are
due
to
introduce
a
cleaners
owner
type
b
later
on
this
year,
and
bristol
will
be
introduced,
will
be
the
next
city
to
introduce
a
type
d.
You
may
also
have
seen
that
greater
manchester
published
its
plans
for
its
clean
air
zone,
which
is
now
scheduled
to
go,
live
on
the
30th
of
may.
That
was
earlier
in
the
week,
that'll
be
a
type
c
and
and
that's
covering
the
whole
of
greater
manchester,
not
just
the
center
of
manchester
itself.
F
They
believe
that
that's
the
best
way
to
approach
this,
but
other
cities
are
introduced,
are
introducing
different
types
of
schemes
or
similar
schemes,
london's
jewelers,
due
for
expansion
in
october
and
oxford,
introducing
a
zero
emission
zone.
So
so
we're
not
alone
in
this
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
tend
to
get
asked.
A
lot
is.
F
Why
is
why
are
you
charging
me
to
drive
my
car
into
birmingham,
but,
but
I'm
bath
isn't,
and
that
is
down
to
the
fact
that
they've
got
a
type
c
clean
air
zone
which
doesn't
include
cars
house
does,
because
that's
the
type
of
problem
that
we've
got
each
of
the
clean
air
zones.
Are
there
to
tackle
a
local
challenge
rather
than
being
absolutely
the
same
across
across
the
country,
ensuring
that
we
have
the
right
kind
of
support
in
place
to
help
the
transition
has
been
absolutely
critical
to
us?
F
What
this
slide
does
is
just
gives
a
snapshot
of
where
we're
at
on
the
10th
of
june.
In
terms
of
the
volume
of
exemptions
that
were
in
place
on
the
10th
of
june,
we
had
around
about
5
700
exemptions.
58
of
those
were
for
low-income
workers,
32
were
for
residents
since
the
10th
of
june.
We
continued
processing
applications,
we'll
get
them
in
on
a
daily
basis,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
so.
F
F
So
so
the
key
thing
here
is
that
we're
at
these,
these
exemptions
are
going
to
the
right
people
and
supporting
people
through
the
transition,
in
addition
to
the
exemptions
from
the
daily
fees,
we're
also
35
million
pounds
worth
of
funding
to
support,
upgrade
and
replacement
schemes.
They're
10
million
10
million
pounds
for
the
scrappage
scheme
of
mobility
credits,
10
million
pounds
for
the
smes
in
the
west
midlands,
hdbs
and
coaches
and
15
million
pounds
for
birmingham
licensed
hackney
carriage
and
private
highway
high
drivers.
F
The
these
two
slides
show
the
level
of
compliance
in
the
slide
on
I'm
sorry
in
the
graph
on
the
left.
This
shows
the
level
of
compliance
within
the
private
hire
fleet.
Private
hire
vehicles
account
for
around
about
75
percent
of
all
the
vehicles
in
the
birmingham
license
fleet
and
we've
seen
compliance
since
2018
go
from
around
about
42
through
to
may
2021
at
81.
F
So
a
really
really
positive
change
there
for
hackney
carriages,
the
the
level
of
compliance
has
actually
doubled.
It
was
12
back
in
20
2018,
but
it
has
now
doubled
to
25
percent.
But,
as
you
can
see,
there
is
still
a
big
gap
between
the
level
of
compliance
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
that
fleet.
We
think
there
are
a
number
of
other
things
that
are
impacting
and
perhaps
holding
people
back
from
from
upgrading,
one
of
which
is
the
availability
of
vehicles.
F
But,
interestingly,
with
a
hackney
carriage
scheme,
what
we
have
seen
is
that
the
age
profile
of
the
vehicles
in
those
fleet
has
it
it
had
has
actually
got
a
lot
younger.
So
the
the
graph
at
the
bottom
shows
the
age
profile
for
vehicles
back
in
2018.
As
you
can
see
from
this,
the
there
are
in
2018.
There
were
a
handful
of
vehicles
that
were
25
years
old.
That's
the
oldest
vehicle
now
was
in
2020
was
21
years
old,
and
we
expect
that
to
improve
over
time
as
well.
F
F
So
the
final
couple
of
slides
I
just
wanted
to
cover
off
really
are
about
how
the
clean
air
zone
sits
within
is
seen
as
an
enabler
for
a
couple
of
very,
very
big
and
important
strategies
for
the
city.
The
first
is
birmingham's
draft
transport
plan
and
there's
four
big
moves
really
that
are
embedded
into
this
plan:
reallocation
of
road
space,
transforming
the
city
center,
prioritizing
active
travel
and
managing
demand,
but
the
really
really
key
principle
in
that
is
it's
shifting
mobility
to
to
to
focus
very
much
on
the
movement
of
people
rather
than
cars.
F
It's
important
to
remember
that
birmingham
was
recreated
back
in
the
50s
and
60s
to
service
the
vehicle.
It
was
a
demonstration
of
where
the
wealth
was
coming
from
from
the
various
heavy
industries
that
were
involved
in
that,
but
also
the
ownership
of
motor
vehicles
was
seen
as
a
demonstration
of
prosperity,
but
but
that
that
that's
obviously
a
very,
very
finite
that
there
are
only
so
many
roads
that
you
can
build
and
we
need
to
do
something
different.
F
So
everything
that
we're
doing
in
here
is
about
encouraging
that
behavior
change
and
again
the
clean
air
zone
is
very
much
seen
as
a
neighbor
of
that
change
and,
as
I
said
before,
the
clean
air
zone
is
absolutely
part
of
the
the
route
to
zero
scheme.
In
the
original
full
business
case,
there
was
an
estimated
carbon
saving
allocated
to
the
clean
air
zone
and
over
the
original
projected
business
plan,
which
was
10
years
for
the
for
the
clean
air
zone.
The
potential
saving
in
terms
of
carbon
was
was
somewhere
in
the
region.
F
790
000
tons
over
10
years.
That's
an
average
of
79
000
tons
of
co2
per
per
year.
Now
that
we're
starting
to
get
real
data,
we
are
working
within
the
monitoring
and
evaluation
program
to
better
understand
what
that
carbon
saving
might
might
be.
The
other
important
enabling
element
of
the
clean
air
zone
program
is
that
all
of
the
income,
all
of
the
revenue
that's
generated,
has
to
be
reinvested
into
transport
related
schemes
and
strategies.
F
The
cabinet
members
already
talked
about
the
20
hydrogen
buses
that
the
scheme
is
helping
to
support,
there's
also
funding
that's
been
provided
to
the
expansion
of
the
city's
fast
and
rapid
electric
vehicle
charging
network
and
we're
also
looking
at
the
a
rent
to
buy
scheme
where
we
were
looking
at
of
up
to
50
electric
hackney
carriages
being
purchased
to
encourage
the
adoption
of
this
ultra
low
emission
technology
within
the
taxi
fleet.
So
that
was
a
quick
run
through
the
clean
air
zone.
In
terms
of
where
we're
up
to
are
there
any
questions.
A
F
Oh
yes,
no!
I
am
aware
of
that
yeah.
So
so
I
mean
it's
a
really
interesting
question
I
mean
we
would
see
that
really
as
sitting
within
probably
within
the
broader
air
quality
action
plan,
where
we're
looking
at
activity
across
the
whole
of
the
city.
It's
also
important
to
note
as
well
that
the
clean
air
zone
framework
that
all
the
cities
that
are
introducing
clean
air
zones
are
working
to
also
includes
a
number
of
other
measures.
F
The
local
authorities
are
encouraged
to
investigate,
such
as
not
no
idling
schemes
expanding
on
those
supporting
those
greater
monitoring
around
schools
and
activities
to
build
engagement
and
awareness
and
the
introduction
of
additional
measures
around
about
wood
burning
stoves
and,
and
we're
already
doing
a
number
of
these
things.
But
it's
certainly
an
area
that
we're
we're
keen
to
investigate
as
part
of
this
program.
F
I
thought
this
was
going
to
be
a
question:
why
are
you
introducing
a
congestion
charge?
So
that's
a
very
interesting
question.
The
the
way
I
would
try
and
respond
to
that
is
that
the
the
congestion
charge
in
london
operates
in
a
very
specific
way.
It
is
designed
to
tackle
congestion.
It
only
operates
between
seven
in
the
morning
and
ten
at
night
I
mean
it
does
operate
every
single
day,
but
it
is
designed
to
tackle
congestion.
That's
the
way
the
prop
the
pricing
is
done.
That's
the
way
the
whole
scheme
is
created.
F
The
issue
we're
trying
to
address
is
the
levels
of
nitrogen
dioxide
that
are
above
the
legal
limit
and
we
have
a
ministerial
direction
in
place.
That
says,
we
need
to
take
action
and
we
need
to
do
so
in
the
shortest
possible
time.
The
clean
air
zone
provides
us
with
a
tool
one
of
the
tools
to
help
help
us
to
do
that.
F
The
full
business
case
that
we
brought
forward
included
a
type
d
clean
air
zone,
but
there
are
a
number
of
other
additional
measures
that
we
included,
because
that's
the
scale
of
the
challenge
we
have
and
and
that's
why.
We've
gone
down
the
route
of
doing
that,
because
it's
an
operation
24
hours
a
day
365
day
days
of
the
year
and
it
is
targeted
targeting
non-compliant
vehicles.
F
A
F
That's
that's
another
interesting
question.
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
things
within
that.
I
think
the
first
thing
is
that
midnight
to
midnight
provides
consistency
between
this
scheme
and
all
the
other
clean
air
zones
are
being
introduced.
It's
also
consistent
with
london,
jules,
I
think
any
changes
as
they've
been
described,
potentially
discriminate
to
discriminate
against
discriminate
against
other
people.
F
I
think
that's
something
to
be
mindful
of,
and
and
and
the
other
thing
to
note
as
well
is
that
if
you
are
working
a
shift
pattern
over
a
period
of
number
of
days,
you
are
not
necessarily
having
to
pay
twice.
You
are
paying
only
once
for
each
of
those
days
that
you're
entering
into
the
clean
air
zone-
and
there
are
other
there
are
there's
exemptions
in
place
for
low-income
workers
who
are
working
in
the
clean
air
zone.
F
So
they
get
an
exemption
for
12
months
for
up
to
12
months,
and
there
is
the
scrappage
and
mobility
scheme
that's
in
place
to
support
workers
on
low
incomes
within
the
clean
air
zone.
So
as
a
package,
we
think
we've
got
enough
support
in
there.
But
again,
the
cabinet
member
has
been
absolutely
clear
about.
We
will
continue
to
monitor
this,
we're
not
just
introducing
this
and
walking
away.
A
F
Is
it
is
a
really
good?
It
is
a
really
good
question
and-
and
it's
a
difficult
one
to
answer-
I
think
part
of
the
challenge
here
is
is
about
you
know,
and
I
kind
of
touched
on
this
earlier.
Really
we,
you
know
one
of
the
questions
and
the
reason
I
I
raised
the
question
about
well.
You
know
why
is
my
car
exempting
in
bath
and
but
not
here,
and
that
is
because
of
the
different
types
of
clean
air
zone?
I
think
you
know
the
clean
air
zones
are
a
government
policy.
F
They
set
the
framework,
they
set
the
guidance
for
the
delivery
of
these
things,
and-
and
that
is
what
the
local
la
local
authorities
are
working
to.
Similarly,
they
also
provide
the
funding
to
deliver
these
schemes.
I
know
it
would
be
helpful
if
there
was
perhaps
more
awareness
around
the
different
types
of
categories
at
a
national
level
to
help
drivers,
especially
drivers
moving
between
areas
and
to
help
the
introduction
of
them
at
a
local
level,
but
that's
something
that
we
can
continue
to
to
ask
and
request
from
government.
F
It's
very
early
days.
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
what
we
have
seen
at
a
very
high
level
and
I
would
absolutely
put
a
very,
very
heavy
health
warning
on
on
some
of
these
headlines.
But
what
we've
seen
since
the
first
of
june
is
that
the
the
volume
of
vehicles
on
a
daily
basis
is
more
or
less
consistent,
traveling
through
the
clean
air
zone.
F
What
we
have
seen
between
the
first
two
weeks
versus
the
last
week
and
a
half
is
that
the
percentage
of
non-compliant
vehicles
has
actually
reduced.
So
in
the
first
two
weeks
there
was
a
higher
level
of
non-compliant
vehicles
in
the
last
week
and
a
half
that
percentage
has
reduced,
so
there's
a
sense
that
some
sort
of
behavior
change
is
going
on
there.
At
the
same
time,
the
traffic,
the
volume
of
traffic
on
the
ring
road,
in
particular,
we've
seen
a
very,
very
marginal
increase,
less
than
five
percent
less
than
four
percent.
F
But
we
are
absolutely
committed
to
publishing
the
data,
so
so,
at
the
end
of
june
or
early
july,
we
will
publish
a
fact
sheet
with
the
the
stats
from
the
clean
air
zone
in
very
much
using
the
the
template
set
by
tfl
with
its
ules,
and
we
will
continue
to
publish
those
on
a
monthly
basis.
We're
also
going
to
be
publishing
a
baseline
report
around
air
quality
and
traffic
volumes.
A
I
would
just
endorse
what
steve
said
about
just
holding
fire
before
we
start
publishing
any
of
that
information.
It's
very
early
days.
The
whole
patterns
around
people's
journeys
two
weeks
ago
was
half
term
last
week,
the
weathers
weren't
so
good.
All
these
have
played
a
role
in
some
of
the
and
how
people
are
moving
about
in
the
city.
So,
as
steve
said,
we'll
be
publishing
some
data
ben
from
the
musicians
union.
A
Whilst
we've
been
on
this
call,
I've
had
some
emails
from
the
business
improvement
districts
in
the
city
center
and
she
asking
me
the
same
question.
I'd
encourage
you
to
write
to
the
government,
and
particularly
the
two
government
ministers
have
been
overseeing
this
rebecca
power
and
rachel
mclean.
If
the
government,
you
know,
could
look
at
their
back
office
systems
facilitating
the
24-hour
period
rather
than
12
to
12
we,
we
would
look
at
that
marie
hill,
so
murray
in
terms
of
some
of
the
low
income.
A
F
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
a
really
interesting
question
the
have
they
been
successful?
Yes,
I
think
they
have.
I
think
they
have
it's
more
of
a
qualitative
success,
it's
very
difficult
to
put
a
quantitative
figure
on
it,
but
it
it
that
the
whole
role
of
engagement
at
a
community
level
was
really
important
to
us
and
what
we
were
trying
to
do
through
that
scheme
through
through
trying
that
really
was
about.
F
You
know
enabling
people
to
have
conversations
around
the
air
quality
challenge.
We
weren't
asking
them
to
be
champions
for
the
clean
air
zone.
What
we
were
doing
was
trying
to
recruit
people,
so
they
could
help
explain
what
what
poor
air
quality
is,
the
sources
of
it
and
some
of
the
ways
that
people
can
can
make
a
difference,
and
it's
exactly
the
same
sort
of
principle
that
we
built
into
the
clean
air
day.
Installation,
that's
that's
been
in
place
at
new
street
over
the
last
week
as
well.
F
A
A
There's
no
conversations
at
any
level
to
to
to
look
at
you
know
any
future
projects
beyond
what
we've
just
introduced.
I
just
want
to
make
that
absolutely
clear.
How
do
you
respond
to
the
assertion
that
clean
air,
the
cleaners
on
pushes
the
pollution
to
more
deprived
areas
that
become
rat
runs
when
we
release
the
information
about
some
of
the
journeys
that
people
are
making
across
the
city
later
this
month?
A
I
think
that
will
we
will
answer
that
so,
rather
than
me
and
steve
guessing,
you
you'll
see
some
of
the
data
that
we
start
to
publish
and
we
want
to
absolutely
be
open
and
transparent
with
the
data,
whatever
it
shows
positive,
negative
challenging.
We
will
put
that
out
in
the
public
domain
and
let
the
people
of
the
city
decide
and
any
schemes
encouraging
parking
right
and
the
boundaries
of
the
cars
into
the
city.
We're
really
we
want
to
inc.
A
You
know
one
of
my
aims
is
is
to
wherever
we
introduce
a
bus,
rapid
transit
route.
We
put
a
park
and
ride
alongside
it,
so
the
first
one
we're
introducing
on
the
a34.
We
are
hopefully
pushing
ahead
with
a
park
and
ride
car
park
park
and
ride
park.
Just
outside
our
boundary
into
warsaw.
On
the
a34
there
was
a
there
was
a
car.
There
was
a
question
I
came
across
where
he
said:
people
love
cars
in
birmingham
and
hate
buses.
I
just
want
to
respond
to
that.
A
I
know
people
in
birmingham
love
cars,
there's
no
two
ways
about
that.
No,
and
we
absolutely
want
to
reset
the
relationship
between
car
and
people
in
our
city.
There
will
always
be
a
role
for
car,
but
we
want
to
sort
of
de-prioritize
car
in
the
pecking
order,
but
when
people
say
you
that
we
hate
buses,
that's
not
actually
true.
We
were
pre-covered
bucking,
the
national
trend,
we're
getting
more
people
onto
bus
journeys
and
we're
going
in
the
opposite
direction
to
everywhere
else.
A
Obviously,
with
the
pandemic
hitting
and
the
government's
instructions
about
social
distancing
on
buses
and
making
buses
available
to
those
that
absolutely
need,
it,
there's
clearly
been
a
hit
on
in
the
bus
industry,
but
as
part
of
our
sort
of
recovery
post
covered.
We
want
to
ensure
that
bosses
start
to
get
that
level
of
priority
back
again
and
we
are
absolutely
committed,
as
a
local
authority,
to
give
more
space
to
buses
on
our
roads.
You
know
some
of
you
might
have
seen
the
mall
street
bus
lane,
sheep
called
bosque.
A
Sorry,
the
mall
street
bosque
there'll
be
many
other
similar
projects,
we're
going
to
be
brave
and
bold
and
give
buses
as
much
space
as
they
need
in
our
cities,
highway
infrastructure
to
ensure
that
getting
through
our
city
as
efficiently
and
as
reliable
as
possible.
I
wish
we
could
you
know,
there's
questions
about
food,
public
transport
just
to
repair.
Welcome
that
all
day,
long
simply
don't
have
the
powers
or
the
resources
to
make
that
happen.
A
If
grant
chaps
and
boris
johnson
want
to
make
that
happen,
we
will
you
know
more
than
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
accept
those
powers
and
and
try
to
roll
that
out,
but
I
can't
see
that
happening
anytime
in
the
near
future.
Steve
that's
been
really
helpful.
There's
many
other
questions.
Kaza
certainly
got
people
interested
and
asking
questions.
We
will
try
and
pick
up
some
of
these
offline
and
and
respond
to
those
colleagues
that
we
can't
answer
online
but
steve.
D
A
You
thanks.
So
the
final
presentation
is
from
dominic
o'brien
who'll
be
presenting
an
item
on
birmingham
net
zero,
which
is
a
company
supporting
businesses
with
their
net
zero
transition.
The
presentation
has
been
circulated
in
advance
we're
going
to
get
a
presentation
from
dominic.
Unfortunately,
there
may
not
be
no
time
for
questions,
but
we
can
certainly
pick
these
up
offline
and
pass
them
to
dominic.
To
respond
back
to
colleagues
dominique
over
to
you.
G
G
C
C
C
C
C
G
C
C
A
G
Oh
crack
on
so
sorry
about
that
everyone
hi
my
name's
dominic
o'brien
and
I'm
the
managing
director
and
founder
of
birmingham
net
zero
and
exp,
I'm
guessing
one
of
the
guys
will
get
up
the
slides
in
it
in
a
second.
But
I've
been
invited
to
talk
to
you
today
about
our
pledge,
which
we
made
recently
to
help
2000
businesses
get
on
the
road
to
net
zero
over
the
next
five
years.
G
Hopefully
you
can
see
me
now
as
well
so
yeah.
What
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
is
how
we
approach
this
with
businesses
in
the
west
midlands
and
also
around
the
uk,
but
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
how
we
approach
it
with
them
talking
through
why
we
do
it
and
how
we
do
it
in
terms
of
all
things:
net
zero.
So
I'm
guessing
everybody
on
the
call
is
aware.
G
Hence
the
conversation
that
in
2019
parliament
obviously
passed
legislation
that
the
uk
will
be
net
zero
emissions
by
2050
and
recently
they
updated
their
legislation.
If
you
like
to
reduce
carbon,
what
to
78
by
2035
and
obviously
our
beautiful
city,
birmingham
has
made
commitments
to
reduce
it
by
2030,
which
is
just
nine
years
away,
and
that's
not
very
long
at
all
in
terms
of
business
and
becoming
net
zero.
G
G
G
Because
of
the
demand
for
renewable
energy,
so
I'm
sure
most
of
you
know
that
there's
not
enough
renewable
energy
in
the
uk
to
meet
demand
what's
needed,
so
we
need
to
be
more
clever
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
with
our
energy
on
site
and
look
at
solutions
where
we
can
generate
energy
ourselves,
and
I
think
the
the
final
point
on
the.
Why
is
you
know?
Most
a
lot
of
businesses
are
still
relatively
unknown
in
terms
of
net
zero,
a
lot
of
businesses
that
we
speak
to
financial
directors.
G
You
know
historically
have
been
more
important
bottom
line
rightly
so.
You
know
businesses
need
to
make
money
to
to
sustain,
but
now
because
of
buying
decisions
which
are
changing
across
the
uk
they're
having
to
look
at
more
sustainable,
strong
net
zero
models
to
to
keep
their
supply
chain
as
well,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
the
slide's
up
or
yet,
because
we
I'd
like
to
show
you
what
we
deem
as
a
blueprint
to
help
businesses
I
mean
it's
like
the
slides-
are
robbed.
Oh
fantastic.
G
Yeah,
so
if
you
could
move
on
to
our
strategy
in
the
road
to
net
zero,
you
just
said
that
so
yeah.
Moving
on
to
that,
I
think
when
we've,
I
guess,
spoke
to
businesses
about
the.
Why,
in
terms
of
net
zero,
for
all
the
reasons
I've
just
discussed
and
and
many
more,
the
next
step
is
what
it
looked
like
in
terms
of
the
timeline,
and
I
think
the
overriding
message
that
I'd
give
to
everybody
is
businesses
cannot
create
a
net
zero
plan
unless
they
understand
their
carbon
footprint.
G
Firstly,
so
I
would
urge
any
businesses
to
to
look
at
their
carbon
footprint.
Do
some
research
in
terms
of
what
your
footprint
is
as
a
business,
because
that
will
give
you
a
line
in
the
sand.
If
you
like,
in
terms
of
you,
know
the
direction
you
need
to
go
in
terms
of
reducing
your
footprint,
you'll,
see
here
part
of
our
net
zero
strategy.
We
I
mentioned
at
the
start
of
the
call.
No
any
given
business
can
help
one
business
complete
a
net
zero
journey,
it's
a
collaborative
approach
that
needs
to
happen
here.
G
So
we've
teamed
up
with
many
different
businesses
like
eon,
low
carbon
smears,
aston
business
school,
carbon
expert,
true
horizons,
sustainability,
strategies
and
boy.
That's
a
mouthful
apologies
to
help
businesses
of
different
process,
different
people
in
terms
of
people
and
processes,
rather
because.
G
G
G
Certain
technology
things
like
solar
or
there
might
be
technologies
to
help
you
manage
your
energy,
you
might
need
a
funding,
solution,
pumps,
etc.
Net
zero
projects
and
efficiencies
I
mean
battery
storage
is,
is
something
that
we
we
work
quite
a
lot
with
with
some
of
our
customers
as
as
well
as
small
scale
from
led
lighting.
G
G
G
Will
receive
an
accreditation
file
which
has
helped
some
of
our
businesses
stay
within
supply
chains?
More
importantly,
if
you
could
please
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
that
will
just
give
you
an
idea
of
what
a
dashboard
should
look
like.
So
a
dashboard.
Well,
a
good
carbon
dashboard.
There's
many
out.
There
should
show
you
exactly
what
your
footprint
is
each
month
and
the
tons
that
it's
putting
into
the
atmosphere
and
where
it's
coming
from
having
that
data
and
visibilities
is
absolutely
vital
in
terms
of
starting
a
net
zero
plan
and
and.
G
A
Thank
you,
dominic.
I
will
ask
any
two
for
the
slides
that
we
were
having
some
technical
issues,
because
your
internet
connection
is
not
the
best
dominant,
so
I
think
you
were
cutting
in
and
out
quite
a
bit
during
your
presentation,
but
nevertheless
we
will
send
out
the
the
slides
to
to
to
colleagues,
so
they
can
have
a
look
at
it
and
pass
it
across
their
networks
and
also
go
across
to
yourselves.
And
if
there
are
any
questions
you
could
you
can
pose
them
directly
to
to
dominique.
A
Thank
you
for
that
dominic.
So,
colleagues,
this
is
a
really
interesting
meeting.
We've
had
quite
a
lot
of
engagement.
We
had
over
20
questions
in
advance,
there's
been
74
plus
14,
so
nearly
90
questions
during
the
course
of
this
meeting.
I'm
really
keen
to
hear
from
you
on
how
you
think
this
meeting's
been
particularly
the
format
of
it
and
hopefully
the
next
time
we
meet,
which
is
in
october.
A
Please
drop
me
a
line,
please
drop
maria
or
ellie
or
any
of
the
team
online.
We're
always
really
keen
to
hear
and
just
to
go
back
to
what
was
said
at
the
start.
We
we
need
to
work
together
to
win
the
hearts
and
minds
of
our
citizens
to
make
those
changes,
particularly
in
some
of
the
some
of
our
more
deprived
communities.
A
Just
transition
needs
to
be
at
the
very
heart
of
everything
that
we
do
as
part
of
our
route
to
zero
work,
and
without
that
we're
not
going
to
succeed
so
together,
I'm
pretty
sure
we
can
take
on
the
the
environmental
challenges
that
exist
within
our
city
and
country
and
society
as
a
whole,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
long
hard
slog
between
all
of
us
coming
together.
Thank
you
again.
I
can
I
say
particular
thank
you
to
all
the
presenters
and
ellie
and
maria
in
particular,
and
roles
who've
helped
pull
today's
meeting
together.
A
It's
been
quite
challenging,
but
it's
I've
been.
You
know,
I
think
the
meeting's
gone
relatively
well.
I
was
quite
nervous
beforehand,
but
please
send
us
your
comments
on
how
you
think
it's
coming.
Hopefully,
she'll
see
you
over
the
summer
in
all
sorts
of
ways,
but
if
I
don't
I'll,
definitely
god
willing
see
you
in
the
october
climate
assembly,
take
care
and
have
a
good.