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From YouTube: Licensing Sub-Committee A
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1000 hours - 2 July 2021.
Link to meeting agenda
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A
A
A
A
Thank
you,
I'm
speaking
slowly,
so
everyone
can
follow
it's
vitally
important
for
what
I
hope
are
obvious
reasons
that
those
attending
the
meeting
are
making
representation
are
able
to
hear
me
and
members
of
the
subcommittee
and
officers
any
distractions
brought
to
my
attention
could
result
in
the
meeting
being
suspended
temporarily
or
to
another
date
and
time
under
the
regulations
for
these
types
of
meetings.
I
also
confirmed
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
and
is
therefore
being
live
streamed
on
the
council's
website.
A
Members
are
reminded
that
they
must
declare
all
relevant
pecuniary
and
non-pecuniary
interests
arising
from
business
to
be
discussed
at
this
meeting.
If
a
disclosable
pecuny
interest
is
disclosed,
a
member
must
not
speak
or
take
part
in
that
agenda
item.
Any
declarations
will
be
recorded
in
the
minutes
of
the
meeting.
A
A
B
A
A
Okay,
I
will
assume
that
all
parties
have
read
and
understood
the
licensing
committee's
procedural
rules
set
out
with
the
notice
of
today's
hearing.
Please
note
that,
given
the
nature
of
today's
proceedings,
I
may,
at
my
discretion,
amend
the
procedural
rules
to
reflect
the
fact
that
this
meeting
is
taking
place
online,
but
wish
to
assure
you
all
that
such
meetings
will
sorry.
Such
amendments
will
not
impact
on
the
party's
right
to
a
fair
hearing.
A
We
will
be
using
the
chat
function
in
the
microsoft
teams
facility
to
communicate
one
of
the
icons
on
the
toolbar.
Is
the
speech
bubble,
click
on
the
speech
bubble
and
go
into
chat,
and
if
you
don't
have
chat
facility,
then
please
raise
your
hand
function
to
indicate
that
you
wish
to
speak.
That
button
is
usually
forced
from
the
right
on
the
toolbar.
A
A
B
Chair,
thank
you
during
this
year
and
my
intention
is
to
show
some
cctv
of
the
assault
that
takes
place
inside
the
premises
as
it
stands.
The
offender
has
been
arrested
and
charged
with
this
offence
and
has
been
to
court
for
an
initial
appearance.
That
matter
is
still
ongoing.
There
are
a
number
of
people
inside
the
premises
who
may
be
called
potential
as
witnesses,
and
it
also
clearly
identifies
the
injured
party,
the
offender
and
all
the
persons
present
in
that
book.
So
we
would
ask
that
that
will
be
shown
in
private
session.
Please.
A
C
A
A
A
Can
I
ask
all
parties
to
speak
as
slowly
and
clearly
as
they
possibly
can,
because
the
officers
are
taking
notes
by
hand
for
the
minutes,
and
the
meeting
is
also
being
live
streamed
on
the
city
council's
website,
if
at
any
time,
so
it's
somebody
else's
turn
to
speak.
Please
mute
your
microphone
and
use
that
chat
function
to
communicate.
A
So
at
any
point
in
the
meeting.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
type,
the
word
speak
into
the
chat
function
and
the
meeting
manager
will
ensure
that
when
we
come
to
you
at
an
appropriate
time
in
this
meeting,
if
at
any
point
you
can't
hear
or
are
having
problems
with
your
internet
connection,
please
use
the
chat
facility
to
alert
the
meeting
manager.
A
The
chair
will
then
ask
the
person
speaking
to
repeat
what
just
has
been
said.
It
is
therefore
important
to
use
this
chat
facility
as
soon
as
you're
unable
to
hear
the
person
speaking
it
may
well
be
that
the
problem
is
caused
by
people
still
having
their
microphones
or
cameras
on
which
does
create
interference.
So
I
will
remind
you
and
everyone
else
to
please
mute
your
microphones
and
turn
off
your
cameras
when
you
are
not
the
person.
A
If
at
any
time
this
meeting
goes
into
private
session,
the
meeting
manager
will
pause
the
live
streaming
once
the
private
part
of
the
meeting
is
over.
I
will
ask
the
meeting
manager
to
confirm
that
the
live
stream
has
resumed
before
we
continue
at
the
conclusion
of
the
hearing.
I
will
invite
all
parties
to
make
a
brief,
closing
submission,
and
can
I
stress
that
no
decision
will
be
taken
until
all
the
evidence
has
been
heard
at
the
decision
making
stage
members
and
the
relevant
officers
will
withdraw
from
this
meeting.
A
In
order
to
determine
the
decision,
they
will
go
into
a
separate
private
microsoft
teams
meeting
in
the
event
that
the
members
need
to
clarify
any
points
you
will
be
telephoned
by
the
meeting
manager
and
the
members
will
then
make
their
decision
you'll
be
notified
of
the
decision
of
the
subcommittee
later
on
today
and
within
the
time
limits
prescribed
for
such
meetings.
As
this,
I
hope
that's
all
reasonably
straightforward.
D
D
A
copy
of
the
application
and
certificate
are
attached
to
the
papers.
A
and
b.
This
meeting
has
been
arranged
in
order
to
consider
whether
it
is
necessary
to
take
any
interim
steps
in
respect
to
the
license
pending
the
determination
of
the
full
review
hearing,
the
premises
license
is
attached
to
paper
c.
D
B
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I've
just
turned
my
camera
on
as
I'll
be
presenting
now,
so
the
application
has
been
submitted
and
the
application
is
based
on
a
one,
significant,
serious
assault
that
took
place
inside
the
premises
which
has
been
crimed
as
a
section
18
assault
that
certificate
has
been
completed.
B
This
review
hearing
isn't
brought
about
because
of
covered
breaches,
and
it's
not
a
specific
covid
bridge
that
has
brought
us
here.
However,
we
can't
discuss
what's
going
on
without
putting
some
context
in
around
the
regulations
required
due
to
the
covered
pandemic,
so
just
as
scene
setting
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
initial
part
of
the
submission.
That's
been
provided
and
look
at
what
measures
should
be
in
place
for
any
premises,
that's
using
any
licensed
premises
having
indoor
outpost
sales.
B
So,
as
per
the
submission
that's
been
placed
in
there's,
a
a
lot
of
guidance
has
been
put
out
for
licensed
premises
and
there's.
Numerous
links
that
have
been
put
out
with
organic
documents
are
updated
on
a
regular
basis,
because
the
amount
of
changes
to
lockdowns
local
tiers,
different
measures
that
have
been
in
place
and
guidance
from
the
government.
So
we
accept
that
this
has
been
very
difficult
for
licensed
premises
and
it's
been
a
time
of
financial
hardship
for
them.
B
The
police
approach
has
been
around
the
four
e's
principle,
which
has
been
engaged,
explain,
encourage
and,
as
a
last
resort.
Finally,
is
enforcement
and
it's
imperative
that
hospitality
trade
comply
with
the
rules
are
set
down
to
curb
the
growth
of
disease
in
terms
of
local
measures
and
since
the
17th
of
may
2021
step,
3
measures
have
been
in
place.
This
means
that
indoor
hospitality
could
operate
subject
to
having
a
covey,
secure
risk
assessment
and
numerous
control
measures
in
place.
B
Specifically,
around
social
distancing
table
service
is
required
and
those
tables
are
limited
to
six
people
or
two
households
and
customers
should
order,
be
served
and
then
eat
and
drink
and
consume
their
alcohol,
whilst
seated
that
sets
the
scene
for
what
measures
should
have
been
in
place
at
that
time.
So
then,
if
we
look
specifically
at
this
premises,
casey
jones
katy
jones
have
been
engaged
by
licensing
officers
back
in
november
of
2020,
where
there
was
a
intelligence
around
a
breach
of
covert
regulations
on
the
1st
of
november.
B
This
led
to
licensing
officer
chris
jones
speaking
with
the
license
holder
and
dps,
which
is
caroline
dowling.
This
was
followed
up
with
an
email
on
13th
of
november,
advising
caroline
of
enforcement
options
moving
forward
and
also
advice
on
measures
that
should
be
in
place
on
sunday,
the
27th
of
june,
just
sunday
just
gone
officers,
were
called
to
attend
the
premises
following
a
report
of
an
injured
male
being
treated
by
an
ambulance
crew.
This
male
had
been
punched
to
the
head
was
unconscious
and
bleeding
from
his
ears.
That
was
the
initial
report
that
we
got.
B
A
A
B
B
This
has
been
crimed
as
a
section
18
assault
and
the
offender
has
been
charged
with
this
offence.
Current
indications
are
that
the
ip's
condition
is
now
not
life-threatening.
It
was
at
one
point
believed
to
be
life-threatening.
We
have
been
informed
that
the
injured
person
will
have
permanent,
scarring
and
deformity
in
relation
to
their
jaw.
B
A
B
Expedited
review
and
with
the
limits
on
disclosing
a
large
amount
of
data
via
the
team's
meeting,
we've
only
shown
you
a
very
small
clip
today
which
which
covers
the
actual
assault.
Further
evidence
and
cctv
will
be
provided
at
the
full
hearing.
There
appears
to
be
some
sort
of
interaction
between
the
offender
and
the
injured
party
and
the
offender's
friend.
B
There
shouldn't
be
interaction
between
groups
of
people
just
mingling
and
wandering
around,
and
the
customers
appear
to
be
behaving
as
if
social,
distance
and
measures
aren't
in
operation
in
this
premises,
and
they
don't
appear
to
be
challenged
by
staff
that
are
working
at
that
location
and
there's
a
number
of
people
that
have
just
gathered
at
the
bar
area.
Customers
are
dancing,
people
are
moving
around
without
masks
on
they're,
standing
up
drinking
and
wandering
around
with
their
drinks.
B
All
of
these
things
would
have
been
apparent
to
the
staff
that
were
working
behind
the
bar
and
we
believe
that
staff
haven't
taken
any
of
these
measures
seriously
and
if
they
had
have
had
better
control
of
the
premises.
If
people
had
been
sitting
down,
if
we
hadn't
have
had
those
groups
mingling
together,
walking
around
with
pine
glasses,
etc,
then
this
assault
may
not
have
happened.
B
D
B
Have
had
that
initial
interaction
between
the
offender
and
the
injured
person,
which
has
then
escalated
to
this
assault,
an
orderly
premises
should
not
have
allowed
that
to
happen.
Therefore,
we
believe
that
they've
failed
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives
by
failing
to
provide
a
a
safe
environment
where,
whereby
the
crime
and
disorder
objective
and
public
safety
objectives
have
been
promoted.
B
We
also
need
to
look
further
into
the
levels
of
intoxication
within
the
premises
and
that
will
probably
be
borne
out
by
the
other
cctv
that
we
have
that
we
that
we
need
to
go
through
in
more
detail.
However,
the
people
seem
to
be
that
certainly
the
the
man
who's
assaulted
appears
to
be
unsteady
on
his
feet,
as
he's
walking
around
the
premises
at
some
point
earlier
on,
and
it's
off
concern
to
us
how
much
alcohol
that
man
may
have
consumed
and
whether
that's
influenced
his
behavior
westminster.
C
A
B
Yes
chair,
I
I
did
attempt
to
qualify
that,
as
I
did
my
introduction,
but
just
for
clarity.
I'll
go
over-
that
the
the
certificate
that's
been
signed
up
is
based
on
serious
crime,
which
is
the
section
18
assault.
We're
not
bringing
this
to
you
today,
based
on
public
nuisance,
which
we
have
bought
some
cases
based
on
probably
nuisance,
around
the
spread
of
the
disease.
The
the
certificate
is
signed
up
on
the
basis
of
a
section,
18
assault
being
crimed
and
a
male
being
charged
with
that.
B
A
B
In
place,
it
may
be
that
we
wouldn't
have
been
here
today,
because
we
wouldn't
have
had
such
a
serious
assault,
which
has
has
left
a
a
young
man
with
potentially
life-changing
injuries
in
terms
of
of
his
jaw.
We
we've
got
a
lack
of
confidence
in
the
license
holder,
who
is
also
the
dps
at
that
premises.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
the
way
in
which
you've
conducted
this
hearing
this
morning,
the
committee
and
the
relevant
officers
will
now
move
to
its
decision-making
process,
which
will
be
in
a
private
meeting.
Can
I
thank
you
and
ask
everyone
who
has
been
at
this
meeting
to
now?
Leave
it
and
the
relevant
officers
and
councillors
will
make
a
decision
which
will
be
reported
later
today.