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From YouTube: Discussion about the Bisq DAO with Eyal Ron
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https://docs.bisq.network/dao/phase-zero.html
A
A
B
High-Alpine
friend
I
apologize
for
not
having
a
video
I
completely
destroyed
my
camera
a
few
days
ago
and
yeah.
So
there,
the
dowel
I
think
that
I
I'm
curious
in
general
about
dows
since
a
long
time
because
I
like
privacy,
because
I
don't
like
to
be
observed
and
I
like
decentralisation,
because
I
had
problems
with
with
B
organizations
like
too
often
so
in
my
holy
grail
of
the
internet,
we
would
have
a
complete
private
internet.
B
I
can
choose
really
easily
to
make
an
action
online,
which
is
not
want
to
be
connected
to
to
my
human
identity
and
but
I'm
also
aware,
with
each
every
coin,
have
two
sides
and
if
everybody
unknown
II
was
in
private,
then
it's
very
difficult
to
collaborate
with
people,
because
in
in
real
life,
if
do
something
with
somebody
and
they
score
me
over
or
cheat
or
something
and
it's
connected
to
the
human
identity.
I
can
go
to
cult
and
I
can
sue
them
and
varies
like
some
kind
of
a.
B
To
what
they
did,
but
in
private
settings
it
doesn't
exist
so
I
think
in
the
rest,
to
ten
years
we
we
kind
of
solved
the
problem
of
interacting
in
private
settings
in
exchanging
assets,
so
that's
Bitcoin
and
also
in
very
sophisticated
exchange
of
assets,
which
is
smart
contracts
which
allow
like
our
options
and
features
they
and
features
ratings
and
stuff
like
this.
But
we
are
still
a
bit
behind
when
it
comes
to
collaborating
between
anonymous
people.
And
for
me
this
is
what
I
care
about
douse
douse
I
mean
organization
in
general.
B
Bittorrent
is
a
Dao
I
mean
in
my
in
my
view,
but
in
BitTorrent
there
is
not
so
much
for
people
to
cheat
one
another
besides
in
civil
attack,
if
helium
had
D
tau
and
they
also
have
no
Allegan
and
probably
some
other
doubts
which
I'm
not
familiar
with
and
I
I
think
with
dowsing
aetherium
impossible
to
make
technically.
So
it's
a
complicated
engineering
task,
but
eventually
I
think
they
save
a
lot
of
the
doubt.
B
A
B
The
Bitcoin
blockchain,
so
it
means
that
you
cannot
get
a
safe
data
on
the
blockchain
and
and
I
I
got
very
curious
about
it.
I'm
a
very
skeptic
person
and
sometimes
annoying
so
I,
went
to
somebody
with
a
know
who
who
was
involved
in
it
and
I
started
to
kind
of
grill
him
asking
him
like
for
farthing
like
45
minutes
asking
questions.
How
is
this
done?
How
is
this
done
until
eventually,
he
asked
me
hey?
Maybe
you
want
to
join
and
see
how
it's
done
and
yeah.
B
Comments
on
the
conceptual
design
since
then,
which
is
a
bit
more
than
a
year
now,
and
when
we
speak
about
the
bisque
down,
I,
think
that
the
first
interesting
thing
about
it
is
that
it
does
more
general
thing
than
Tintin
Bitcoin.
So
it's
it's
not
thoughtful
exchanges
for
it's
for
more
complicated
actions,
and
then
we
spoke
yesterday.
Man-Friend
like
which
actions
does
it
do,
but
maybe
you
maybe
you
can
say
like
which
functions
right
now
being
down
by
the
bisque
and
which
functions
yeah.
B
B
A
Exactly
I
mean
you
should
usually
like
I
can
count
the
part
here,
so
you
have
somebody
clicking
apartment
and
you
need
a
foundation
at
the
end.
You
have
always
a
centralized
structure
where
some
leaders
of
the
projects
decide
who
get
paid
and
and
and
doing
the
management
and
and
of
course,
you
can
make
it
or
you
can
improve
this
a
little
bit
with
yeah.
We
have
a
nonprofit
organization
whatever,
but
we
wanted
to
get
it
really
decentralized
and
yeah.
Designed
this
solution
were
the
contributors.
A
They
act
a
little
bit
like
a
minor
in
Bitcoin,
so
when
they
have
the
authority
from
the
PSU
stakeholders,
which
will
be
done
by
voting,
then
they
have
the
right
to
issue
new
tokens.
Yeah,
like
a
Bitcoin
miner,
has
the
right
to
create
new
Bitcoin
when
he
found
a
new
block
and
internet,
which
is
verifying
this,
of
course,
and
on
the
other
side,
the
burning
also
to
close
the
economic
model.
A
Yeah
relations
are
creating
new
tokens
all
the
time,
so
it
creates
inflation,
inflationary
pressure
and
then
the
burning
of
tokens,
which
is
a
way
how
we
are
distributing
the
value
reporter.
The
the
fees
also
there,
the
traders
they
can
choose
to
use
vsq
who
are
paying
the
trading
fee
and
that
yeah
they
are
doing
it
by
destroying
these
two
tokens
and
with
that
they're,
basically
distributing
those
tokens
to
all
stakeholders,
because
every
every
unit
of
a
token
has
a
little
bit
more
value
when
there
is
lower
supply
of
tokens
by
burning
so
yeah.
A
That's
the
counter
part.
That's
the!
In
the
deflationary
side,
the
more
people
are,
the
more
traders
using
psq
for
trading
for
paying
the
trading
fee,
the
mood
more
tokens
get
burned
and
they're
the
total
supply
of
tokens
is
lower
and
by
that
every
unit
of
a
token
has
a
little
bit
more
value
and
related
to
that
as
a
decision.
A
How
much
a
contributor
should
get
paid
is
done
basically
by
voting,
and
this
working
is
also
implemented
on
the
Bitcoin
blockchain,
but
always
in
connection
with
our
European
network.
So
we
are
using
the
Bitcoin
blockchain,
basically
mainly
for
for
a
notary
function,
to
commit
a
hash
of
appetite
ant
and
it'll
have
to
verification
that
this
state
is
correct
and
has
happened
at
a
certain
time,
but
we
are
not
storing
more
complex
data
on
the
blockchain
yesterday.
B
I
mean
already
actually
a
few
times.
We
spoke
about
like
a
second
layer
solution,
and
maybe
we
speak
about
a
bit
later
more
a
bit
later,
so
maybe
to
compare
it
again
for
for
the
Bitcoin
issuance
and
bit
converter
the
miners.
They
they
kind
of
issue
the
coins,
and
here
we
have
the
contribute
to
contributors.
It
issued
it
to
the
coins
either.
B
B
A
We
had
build
incentive
systems
or
a
consensus
systems
which
are
which
are
taking
human
behavior
and
working
with
economic
incentives.
It's
like
a
Bitcoin
itself.
There
is
a
lot
of
theoretical
elements
that
Bitcoin
works
and
with
yeah
we're
creating
such
systems.
You
are
enabling
much
more
like
you
could
do
my
new.
You
would
only
use
cryptography
and
and
code
execution
and
I.
A
A
When
you
get
lost
in
bureaucracy,
I
mean
classical.
Bureaucracy
are
such
machineries
where
everything
goes
by
law
and
when
this
laws
are
not
perfect
and
not
cannot
deal
with
certain
cases
or
there
are
some
parts
and
mistakes,
then
you're
a
slave,
and
you
get
killed
basically
by
this
machinery.
So
I
think
we
have
to
always
keep
in
mind
that
they
should
serve
us
and
not
wishing
to
desert.
Let.
B
Me
ask
two
more
questions
about
the
issuing
comparing
to
Bitcoin
I,
think
something,
but
people
that
I
speak
will
with
a
bit
worried
about.
One
of
them
is
that
we
let
the
risk
members
so
that
the
contributors
to
decide
how
many
tokens
are
being
created
and
when
you
tell
two
people
who
come
from
Bitcoin
and
they
and
they
think
that,
if
you
let
them
manage
to
decide
how
many,
how
much
we
won't
forget,
the
miners
will
just
get
like
infinitely
MODOK.
A
But
unless,
unlike
like
in
Bitcoin,
where
it's
decided
automatically
in
in
the
pistol,
it's
decided
by
voting-
and
the
voting
of
course
is
this
human
decision
where
people
will
not
agree
when
somebody
make
a
computation
request,
request
for
way
too
much
money
and
it
will
just
reject
it
at
the
end,
it's
very
difficult
I
mean
the
way
how
you
build
a
decent
rest
systems.
I
think
our
main
element
is
always
that
you
bring
that
you
put
all
the
responsibility
to
the
actor
himself
like
here
at
the
contributor
himself.
A
Is
they
should
not,
or
some
whatever
bisque
or
entity
or
whatever
the
contributors
doing
Asians
and
the
other
contributors
were
stakeholders?
They
are
the
voters
they
are
deciding
over
this
and
who
should
say,
what's
the
value
of
your
contribution,
new
effects,
but
of
your
contribution
and
you're
the
best
to
make
a
suggestion
and
of
course
it
has
to
be
authorized
by
the
stakeholders
if
they're
willing
to
invest
money
in
you
and
that's
the
voting
process,
so
I
think,
like
I,
think
for
this
model,
it's
just
not.
B
A
A
A
So
when
you
have,
for
instance,
around
over
the
last
year,
a
hundred
thousand
be
as
few
and
you
have
only
20,000
psq
in
your
wallet
and
you
used
in
the
20,000,
then
all
in
all,
you
are
voting
with
120,000
bsq.
So
when
somebody
want
to
compete
with
this
much
weight,
he
need
and
his
New
Year's
never
worked
on
bisque.
He
only
voted
on
a
market.
He
need
to
buy
hundred
twenty
thousand
be
as
few
in
the
market.
A
You
have
the
same
voting
weight,
which
is
much
much
harder
like
when
you
would
on
when
we
would
only
take
the
steak,
and
you
have
only
twenty
thousand
in
your
wallet.
Then
somebody
who
buy
twenty
thousand
be
as
few
in
the
market
will
have
the
same
influence
as
you
as
a
contributor
voice
already
works
a
year
and
knows
he
loves
about
the
details,
and
so.
B
A
It's
not
completely
correct
to
suit
every
stakeholder
can
vote,
so
every
you
can
vote
by
buying
is
few
on
the
market
and
quite
the
small
amount
required
for
paying
a
small
fee,
but
your
influence
will
be
probably
much
lower.
Like
somebody
with
worked
on
the
project
and
we
said
yeah,
we
approved
actually
more
against
the
maturity
attack.
A
Situations
like
it
was
with
the
theorem,
the
Tao
and
then
the
bailout
with
the
house
work
and,
of
course
there
have
been
some
arguments.
Who
are
some
reasons
why
they
do
this
bailout.
It's
not
completely
numbering
a
decision,
but
of
course
they
made
for
many
people.
They
made
a
wrong
position
and
that
led
at
the
end
to
the
80
run
classic
work.
So
when
there
are
situations
where
their
main
stakeholders,
including
this
mature,
this
meritocratic
effect
are
acting
in
a
way
we
she's
very
controversial.
A
Then
the
risk
for
a
walk
is
big
and
I
think
that's
a
feature,
because
it's
probably
then
good
that
there
is
an
alternative
system
where
other
people
who
don't
agree
when
that's
basically
not
enough
consensus,
social
consensus,
then
that
can
be
an
outlet
version
of
the
biscuit,
Tao
or
biscuit
self,
and
with
being
everything,
open,
sewers
and
transference.
The
costs
for
making
such
a
fork
is
much
lower
like
with
a
traditional
company
like
when
you
want
to
fork
Google
or
Facebook.
A
Good
luck,
and
here
it's
mainly
their
network
effect
I
mean
of
course,
it's
also
not
simple
to
work
bisque
to
get
the
traders
and
all
this
to
get
this
Network
and
the
reputation
and
all
this.
But
when
there
are
strong
reasons
like
we
have
seen,
we
sit
here
and
classic
it
can
work
and
it
can
be
successful
to
certain
extent,
at
least
and
yeah
I
think
it's.
B
A
Yeah
exactly
so,
there
are
certain
roles
in
the
biscuit
AO
or
in
the
Pisgah
organization,
which
cannot
be
decentralized
because
they
are
tied
to
traditional
infrastructures
like
holding
the
domain
name
or
holding
the
kid
top
account
there.
You
cannot
distribute
this
I
mean
maybe
there
in
future,
there's
some
models
with
kind
of
like
multi-sig
or
whatever,
but
even
then
you're
distributing
it
to
a
small
group,
a
little
bit
like
in
Bitcoin.
A
A
A
But
at
the
moment
we
can
improve
it
by
putting
up
a
bond.
That
bond
is
basically
like
the
security
deposit,
so
every
everybody
who
holds
a
role
in
the
bisque
organization
which
which
is
a
trusted
role
where
he
could
create
some
damage
and
which
cannot
be
meaningful
decentralized.
At
the
moment
he
need
to
locked
in
some
psq
the
amount
of
disappears
q.
You
should
be
yeah.
I
should
represent
the
maximum
damage
what
he
can
create,
and
this
yeah.
This
money
is
basically
similar
like
in
a
monastic,
it's
locked
in.
A
He
cannot
touch
it
and
when,
in
the
meantime,
as
long
as
this
is
locked
in
and
when
he
want
to
lock
out,
there
is
a
certain
time
period
so
which
can
be
defined
and
so
like.
For
instance,
when
you
become
an
arbitrator
of
the
piss
in
bisque,
you
have
to
log
in
something
like
100,000
or
200,000
psq
for
meaning
3
months
as
for
3
months,
when
you
unlock
it
still
will
stay
locked
for
3
months.
That
has
the
meaning.
A
When
you
violate
your
rule
that
you
become
corrupt
and
do
any
harm
with
this
row,
then
the
stakeholders
that
be
a
few
stakeholders
or
anybody
could
make
a
request
for
confiscating
your
pond.
And
then
the
wendice
take
hold
this
boat
with
a
very
high
percentage
like
85%
for
confiscation,
when
it's
very
clear
that
you
have
violated
your
you're,
a
dude
is
your
role.
A
Then
you
lose
your
bond
and
you
have
lost
your
money
and
that's
why
we
need
this
unlock
time,
because
when
you're,
an
arbitrate,
then
make
a
scam
and
then
you
are
making
very
quickly
or
unlocking
and
yeah
the
voting
needs
time
and
the
investigation
needs
time.
So
we
need
a
sufficient
time
that
the
community
or
the
stakeholders
can
react
and
can,
in
the
worst
case,
confiscate
your
bond
and
that
should
create
an
additional
security
that
those
people
are
not
violating
their
trust.
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah
I
just
mention
it
very
quickly
as
a
a
a
off
chain
crate
protocol
that
the
current
rate
protocol
has
some
limitations
and
some
problems,
for
instance,
per
obviously
on
the
blockchain
and
the
transaction
fees
at
some
point.
In
future,
the
Bitcoin
transactions
will
become
very
high
and
and
other
issues,
and
by
using
those
bonds
we
can
build
off
chain
trade
protocol.
A
We
can
post
burn
some
money,
some
psq
and
then
at
the
certain
point,
which
is
defined
in
the
contract
and
the
contract
get
executed
by
the
biskits
ow.
It's
just
Java
code
at
the
end
and
when
the
contract
had
executed,
and
then
there
is
out
of
the
contract-
is
that,
for
instance,
I
should
get
there
the
money
what
we
have
burned,
then
I
have
the
right
to
issue
new
psq
servlets,
and
that's
this
friends
of
this
idea
about
option
trading
protocol
where
we
both
put
in
1000
psq.
A
We
make
that
basically
hundred
Bitcoin
price,
then
one
month
later,
when
the
contract
time
has
triggered
the
one
who
is
won,
the
bet
will
receive
which
has
the
authority
and
the
right
to
issue
2000
bsq
to
himself
and
for
the
network.
It
doesn't
matter.
It's
the
same.
It's
a
zero
cost
game
as
a
thrust.
I
have
been
destroyed,
mm
psq,
1000
from
me
and
1000
from
you
and
then
one
months
later
somebody
has
created
2000
PSU.
A
So
for
the
network,
the
balance
is
zero,
so
parents
change
is
zero,
but
we
have
basically
transferred
1000
psq
from
my
set
or
from
your
side
yeah
to
the
other
appear
and
the
contract
are
which
defines
who
should
get.
The
payout
is
much
more
flexible
like
it
would
be
possible
on
the
Bitcoin
in
the
Bitcoin
scripting
system.
That's
very
limiting.
For
instance,
you
couldn't
can
look
up
other
transactions
where
the
yeah.
B
A
B
A
A
I
can't
think
that's
there,
I
mean
there.
The
way
important
thing
what's
required
to
make
all
this
possible
is
to
have
some
second
layer
or
disappear
appear
now
what
we
have
in
bisque
already
for
using
for
transporting
the
metadata
the
additional
data,
the
complex
data,
what
you
need,
for
instance,
or
making
a
computation
request.
B
B
B
A
Basically,
yes,
I
mean
there
is
a
small
exception.
That's
the
of
the
voting
is
blind
voting,
so
first
you're
in
the
voting
phase.
Nobody
knows
what
the
other
have
voted.
It's
all
encrypted
and
the
key
what
you
are
using
for
encrypting.
Your
vote
will
be
revealed
in
a
second
transaction
and
we
are
storing
this.
We
are
revealing
this
key
in
the
inner
inner
transaction
as
well.
So
that's
a
small
exception
where
we
are
where
we
are
putting
other
data.
A
B
A
Yeah
and
the
bisque
peer-to-peer
network,
of
course
it
will
grow
when
when
there
are
millions
and
millions
of
Biscay
users,
okay,
then
our
peer-to-peer
system
will
get
into
scalability
issues
that
we
need
to
solve
this,
but
that's
our
top
and
our
data.
We
are
not
externalizing
this
to
any
other.
Who
has
no
relation
to
this
and
yeah?
We.
We
are
not
externalize
it
to
to
the
core
layer
like
in
Bitcoin.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
should
point
out
with
the
same
piece.
Now
can
also
be
done
with
the
fear.
You
know
me
just
it
sometimes
the
fact
that
you
walk
with
a
tool
that
doesn't
give
you
all
the
options
makes
you
look
for
a
solution
which
is
more
optimized,
because,
if
you
would
work
with
will
be
fear
you,
maybe
we
would
also
put
fear
more
stuff
on
them.
On
the
blockchain
I
mean,
if
we
you
think
about
it,
we
actually
kind
of
put
on
Bitcoin
blocks
and
everything,
but
we
can
so.
B
We
are
not
trying
to
do
call
out
coins
in
our
second
layer.
We
do
it
on
a
bit
complexion
and
though,
right
now,
there
is
algae,
be
proposal
to
make
like
colored
coin
in
a
second
chain,
but
we
really
abuse
Bitcoin
as
much
as
we
can.
We
just
cannot
abuse
it
so
much
so
we
have
it
to
do
work
on
the
on
on
the
second
solute,
on
the
set
on
the
second
layer.
Yes,.
B
B
A
Days
yeah
exactly
I
mean
we
cannot
wait
like
with
with
side
chains.
We
cannot
wait
until
we
get
maybe
a
speech
feature
which
will
enable
it
in
whatever
yes,
I
mean.
We
need
it
now
that
our
and
not
in
ten
years
and
and
also
I
mean
another
reason
why
I
didn't
want
to
use
any
of
existing
technologies.
Is
you
get
a
lot
of
dependence
and
to
this
project?
A
To
this
often
it's
run
by
companies,
even
if
it's
open
sewers
you're,
basically
depending
on
what
they
are
implementing,
because
they
are
driving
the
whole
development
that
you
have
you
don't
like
with
Kalu.
For
instance,
you
don't
have
the
resources
to
compete
with
them
when
you
want
another
feature
or
some
yeah
something
different
and
with
implementing
yourself,
you're,
completely
free
and
open
to
design
exactly
for
the
needs
and
and
tailor
it
for.
A
The
use
case
is
what
we
need,
and
we
see
it
already
like
I
mentioned
and
get
lost
a
little
bit
with
these
future
ideas
and
I
mean
that's
that's
possible
because
at
the
end,
it's
just
Java
code
and
you
just
need
to
find
and
just
are
and
the
quotes,
because
that's
the
hardest
part
at
the
end,
you
need
to
find
a
secure
consensus
system
which
is
like
yeah,
with
with
the
pistil
routing,
at
the
compensation
request
that
this
all
works
and
that
it's
secure.
It's
not
only
technical
challenges.
A
It's
a
lot
of
conceptual
challenges
where
you
edit
a
lot
of
very
valuable
input
and
I.
Think
when
you
can
find
such
solutions
like,
for
instance,
is
option
trading
or
DAF
chain
trade
protocol.
So
when
we
can
find
a
conceptual,
solid
and
secure
system
which
combines
different
aspects
of
cryptography
of
peer-to-peer
network
of
game,
theoretical
incentives
of
other
features,
which
are
a
little
bit
too
complex
to
explain
here,
which
are
basically
related
to
our
peer-to-peer
network.
A
B
A
A
B
A
It's
basically
that
the
stakeholders
I
mean.
Another
thing
is
with
mood
to
shake:
you
can
steal
the
money,
as
the
the
maturity
of
the
key
holders
could
steal
your
money
with
bonding
the
only
camper.
Also
the
stakeholders
can
burn
it.
The
trust
model
is
that
the
PSU
stakeholders,
and
not
only
by
state
but
by
meritocracy,
could
make
a
majority
attack
basically
on
this
bond
and
could
destroy
your
money
so
you're
trusting
this
open
system,
which
is
not
limited
to
numbers
and
it's
open
and
can
change
all
the
time.
A
It's
dynamic,
you're
trusting
this
group
that
they
are
not
abusing
this
power
as
a
super
maturity
attack
with
85%
yeah
and
that's
a
different
security
and
trust
model
like
with
multi
secure.
You
are
basically
trusting
the
maturity
of
the
order.
The
number
of
the
keys
what's
needed,
for
unlocking
the
multi-sig
and
and
then
with
missing
one
very
problematic
issue
too,
is
that
you
cannot
transfer
it
so
when,
for
instance,
I
would
be
three
key
holders,
and
then
one
of
this
is
loose
leaving
the
project
and
he
should
give
over
the
scheme
to
somebody
else.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
I
see
people
should
be
aware
that
their
to
know
total
security
and
also
I
mean
with
the
cordilla
I-
mean
good
luck
to
go
against
the
central
bank
to
court
or
against
the
government
when
you
think
and
when
you're
really
abusing
the
power
and
they're
doing
it.
For
it
I
mean
there
are
many
many
cases
in
many
countries,
so
it's
also
limited,
but
you
can
do
it
cost
you
a
lot
of
money.
There
are
financial
limitations
where
you
don't
have
maybe
100
millions
to
go
to
court
against
the
central
banker
or
whatever.
A
But
here
it's
basically
yeah
I
set
the
maturity,
attack
or
I
mean
when
the
maturity.
After
of
the
stakeholders,
including
this
meritocratic
aspect,
is
corrupt,
then
the
project
should
be
should
be
worked
and
when
you
get
em,
then
you
should
make
a
lot
of
negative
or
fire
to
to
destroy
this
game,
the
biskits
out,
because
then
they
are
corrupt
and
should
be
replaced
by
a
better
version.
And
when
nobody
cares
about
this
okay,
then
the
world
don't
care
about
justice
and
about
such
values.
Then
they
get
what
to
get
it's
all.
B
Know
I
think
I
mean
I,
have
a
great
hope
for
the
whole
concert.
2,000
species
with
the
beast
down
and
I
think
that
in
the
future,
if
it
becomes
like
something
with
many
participants,
it
will
be
very
interesting
to
see
how
it
develops
in
such
a
situation
in
the
same
way
with
beetwen
and
etherium
fork.
Folks
well,
for
me,
are
fascinating
sociological
and
economic
era
story.
How.
B
A
But
I
think
that's
actually
the
important
aspect,
what
we
have
to
consider:
it's,
not
a
perfect
model
which
will
stick
forever
like
this.
It's
a
progress
and
there
the
quality
of
this
Wiebe
is
in
the
hand
of
everybody
who
who
is
contributing,
let's
first,
of
course,
all
the
contributors,
but
also
when
you
get
abused
by
by
this-
and
you
don't
Clara,
don't
put
enough
energy
to
try
to
change
this
and
that's
basically
the
same.
A
But
people
in
in
countries
like
Turkey
I
mean
when
nobody
cares
and
go
on
the
street
and
demonstrate
against
the
corrupt
forces
government.
Okay,
then
they
live
in
a
in
a
fascist
and
they
don't
deserve
much
better
because
they
don't
care
about
it.
When
there
are
enough
people
who
really
care
and
and
fight
and
do
what
in
in
the
possibilities,
then
it
will
be
yeah,
then
it's
at
least
it's
some
power
for
a
change.
Maybe
it
takes
many
years
and
so
but
or
I
think
it's
at
the
end.
A
It's
a
it's
a
living
process,
everything
and
what
we
I
mean,
will
always
change
and
will
have
problems
and
maybe
get
forth
someday
and
the
towel.
Of
course
need
to
involve
us
in
future.
I
mean
all
this
current
implementation
of
voting,
and
this
management
is
very,
very
simple
and
very
limited.
Maybe
in
future
we
need
delegated
voting
like
liquid
democracy
and
and
more
sophisticated
systems,
but
or
yeah.
We
have
to
start
small,
that's
difficult
enough
and
you
can
it
can
evolve.
You
know
this
kind
of
stuff.
B
Will
be
gone
with
with
I
am
in
conversation
with
a
small
small
small
step,
but
it's
important
step.
Iii
was
figured
what
you
said
about
Toki
I
know
I,
I,
I
know
from
other
countries
right
I
don't
go
to
demonstrations
because
I,
like
privacy
and
I'm,
afraid
of
connecting
I
mean
I'm
relatively
paranoid
in
this
and
I'm
really
afraid
to
connect
my
political
opinion
to
to
my
human
identity.
A
I'm
I'm
very
skeptical
to
go
to
recommend
system
like
the
towel
or
Bitcoin
itself
for
the
development
protest,
because
it
just
increases
the
attack
surface
and
it's
a
very
it
adds
a
lot
of
complexity
and
something
big
and
and
where
there's
so
much
incentive
to
break
it
like
with
Bitcoin
I,
think
it's
important
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
it's
limited
as
possible
and
I
think
it
works
good
enough
with
this
very
on
a
fist.
It
way
how
the
governance
worked.
Every
I
mean
it.
It
works
basically
like
a
towel.
It's
just
not.
A
B
A
Yeah
but
I
think
it's
ER,
yeah
I
think
I
said,
would
I
would
I
think
it's
important
to
make
a
distinction
for
which
kind
of
projects
you
applying
these
systems
I
mean
bisque
is
is
similar
like
your
company,
it's
a
limited
project.
It's
not
the
global
mass
system
like
Bitcoin,
so
it
has
a
different
or
attack
or
a
threat
model
and
I
think
are
adding
this
complexity
and
risk
of
the
dowel
to
bisque
s,
of
course,
its
problems
and
I'm
a
little
bit
scared.
A
Of
protection,
that's
very
important,
see
as
we
code
is
not
law.
That's
completely
stupid
and
I
said
now
has
proven
they
didn't
take
it
serious
themselves
and
it's
intention
of
the
social
group
who
are
building
something
it's
a
tool
for
getting
something
done
and
when
there
would
be
a
HECO,
and
that
would
be
a
back
which
creates
a
lot
of
damage.
We
try
to
fix
it
with
how,
however,
we
can
do
it
in
the
worst
case,
try
to
start
over
again
and
the
real
issue
and
basically
rewrite
history.
A
A
B
Course
we
are
not
going
to
be,
and
it's
a
human
thing
and
whenever
somebody
goes
into
the
bisque
doll,
they
should
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
human
factor
here.
So
it's
a
tool
left
much
better
than
the
centralized
approach.
We
hope
it
has
whatever
the
centralized
approach,
but
it's
a
flexible
tool.
Yeah.
A
I
think
the
trust
model
and
people
have
to
be
aware
when
they
don't
trust
at
all
these
people
who
are
building
bisque
and
we
have
to
yeah
we're
owning
the
stakeholders,
the
future
stakeholders,
when
they
don't
have
any
trust
in
those,
then
they
should
not
use
it.
They
should
not
take
part
of
this
I
mean
nobody's
forced
to
use
vsco
to
be
part
of
the
Tao.
So
it's
based
on
this
that
you
are
trusted
at
least
85%
or
the
majority
of
those
stake.
A
A
A
B
A
It's
true:
it's
basically
two
separate
projects
so
abide
by
it's
not
automatically
when
the
pistol
would
blow
up
that
it
destroy
also
bisque,
but
the
main
problem
will
be
that
people
lose
confidence
and
pissed
would
probably
lose
a
lot
of
reputation
and
that
will
create
a
lot
of
damage
as
well.
But
of
course,
hopefully
them
that
that
will
never
happen,
and
nobody
knows
how
it
such
thing
will
play
out,
but
I
said
I
think
out,
I
mean
all
to
be
speaking
about
with
any
other.
You
always
have
to
be
aware
of
the
limitations.
A
I
mean
in
Bitcoin,
it's
already
quite
a
lot
of
security,
because
there's
so
much
money
in
and
so
but
I
mean
when
the
would
make
a
51%
attack
and
don't
care
and
the
minute
happens
with
smaller
proof-of-work
changes
they
got
killed
and
they
got
attacked
even
the
incentive
to
game
theoretical
incentives
that
you
say
want
to
destroy
the
investment
that
only
works
for
certain
scenarios
when
they
can
make
a
short
man
can
make
more
money.
On
this
side,
I
mean
it
has
happened
and
it's
asset
limitations
and.
B
A
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
it's
piscis
all
in
Java
when
you're
not
very
familiar
with
yeah,
with
with
the
latest
Java
versions
or
and
I
have
only
had
Java
in
universities
ten
years
ago
or
please
give
it
a
try
again
it's
much
more
modern
like
it
was
back
then
with
Java
core
Java
6.
So
now
it's
a
lot
of
functional
programming,
features
and
form,
and
it's
actually
pretty
solid
language
for
us.
I'm,
pretty
happy
that
we
have
choosen
sharla.
A
A
We
don't
need
to
understand
the
whole
system,
variants
start
with
small
items
and
if
you're,
more
conceptual
person
or
there's
also
a
lot
of
ideas
about
that
moment,
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
develop
this
ideas
and
to
have
to
get
this
to
have
to
define
concept
too,
be
ready
to
get
implemented
yeah
if
you're,
if
you're
more
social
person
personal,
so
you
can
help
to
spread
the
word.
Many
things
to
do
are
very
exciting.
How
how
this
develops?
It's
already,
quite
quite
a
big
community.
Quite
a
lot
of
momentum.
A
B
I
should
put
contribute
my
point
of
the
year
because
I
come
from
that
from
the
Academy
I
wasn't
Academy
many
years
now.
I
would
say
that
I
consulting
until
lots
of
independent
research,
then
if
you
are
from
computer
science
and
you're
curious
about
consensus,
algorithms
I
think
that
piece
now
consents
algorithm
is
a
fairly
interesting
one
and
I
mean
I
I.
So
it's
because
of
man
friend
who
who
did
lots
of
interlocks
of
interesting
ideas.
B
Well,
it
will
be
great
for
us
also,
if
someone
who
is
interested
in
such
things,
take
a
look
and
and
look
for
for
mistakes
and
problems.
So
personally,
if
it's
something
which
which
which
your
phone,
the
theoretical
side
instinct
on
concerns,
algorithms
jump
to
our
slack
and
maybe
even
send
me
a
message
or
little
something
and
who
will
be
happy
to
speak
about
yeah.
A
And
I
think
from
my
experience
with
people
who
are
working
or
coming
from
the
academic
side,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
super
interesting
stuff
going
on
and
research
projects.
But
one
of
a
kind
like
disappointing
and
frustrating
element
is
that
most
of
those
projects
will
never
be
used
in
real
life
and
because
yeah
people
are
developing
something
in
10.
There
is
nobody
who
is
really
bringing
this
to
production
and
doing
the
hard
work
to
get
inner
to
make
it
usable
to
test
it
to
support
it.
A
Is
it
not
technically
and
not
decent
rights
at
the
moment,
but
conceptually
we
are
practicing
this
already
and
it
works
pretty
well
and
so
the
social
experience,
the
organizational
experience
experiment,
sorry,
is
already
happening
since
a
year
and
has
not
failed
so
far
and
actually
looks
pretty
promising
that
it's
from
the
basics.
The
basic
elements
are
all
correct,
and
now
it's
the
technical
implementation
to
get
it
trust,
Leslie,
trust,
minimized
and
decentralized,
on
the
blockchain
and
in
the
peer-to-peer
network
and
yeah.
A
Getting
this
working
I
think
would
be
a
very
interesting
prototype
for
many
other
projects
and
I'm
personally
much
more
interested
not
to
create
so
kind
of
like
decentralized
companies
like
this
I
mean
yeah.
We
are
running
trading
fees.
So
it's
more
like
a
revenue
based
model
where
there
is
some
revenue
and
can
distribute
this.
A
For
this
token,
it
has
a
value
and
nonzero
value
and
I
think
that's
unavoidable-
that
there
is
some
crazy
fan
of
Wikipedia
who
will
pay
$1.
For
such
a
token-
and
at
this
moment
it's
a
it's
an
financial
asset
and
then
the
contributors
have
basically
they
get
paid
in
shares,
and
then
they
are
stakeholders.
They
can
sell
the
tokens
and
can
make
the
living,
and
then
it
becomes
an
economic
model,
and
then
we
have
an
alternative
to
donation
or
crowdfunding
or
whatever,
which
all
doesn't
work.
Well,
as
we
know,
yeah.
B
A
That's
for
me,
maybe
after
when,
when
this
doesn't
need
me
anymore,
I
would
like
to
do
a
little
bit
in
this
direction.
That's
for
me
much
more
interesting,
like
the
pure
trading
and
financial
I'm,
also
bad
title.
So
it's
right,
but
the
good
thing
is
having
this
revenue
model
and
this
clear
economic
model
makes
everything
much
easier.
I
mean
to
start
with,
the
other
is
more
risky,
it
could
fail
easier
and
bootstrapping
is
always
a
big
problem.
A
Maybe
everything
is
perfect,
but
just
not
enough
people
convinced
to
use
it
and
you
never
bootstrap,
and
it
fails
better
that
is
and
when
there
are
already
projects
which
have
proven
that
it
can
work,
then
bootstrapping
such
new
projects,
which
have
it
harder
from
their
structure,
will
be
hopefully
easier
as
well.
Ok,.
A
A
Yeah
and
I
think
it's
it's
also
important
to
I
mean
it's
a
quite
difficult
and
complex
area,
and
it's
very
new
and
for
myself,
I
got
surprised
all
the
time
that
I
found
out
new
aspects
and
understood
new
aspects
and
still
probably
don't
understand
a
lot
of
the
aspects.
The
same
happened
actually
with
Bitcoin
for
me
and
a
sinker
yeah
such
discussion.