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Description
Warning: this turned out to be more of a scatter-brained brainstorming session. The main take-away was that we'd give Secure Scuttlebutt a try.
The intention was to determine which social tools to adopt and how, as social tools are much more difficult to encourage widespread adoption for than collaboration tools (e.g., Keybase, Rocket.Chat, etc)—no captive audience or defined purpose.
👇 Links mentioned 👇
Bisq's Keybase group:
https://keybase.io/team/bisq
Bisq's Riot room (experimental):
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#bisq:matrix.org
Secure Scuttlebutt:
https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/
B
It's
a
topic
that
a
lot
of
people
have
suggested
over
the
years.
As
you
probably
know,
bisque
uses
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
more
commercial
platforms
right
now.
Github
slack
YouTube
run
zoom
right
now.
There
are
some
reasons
for
that.
We
can
get
into
later.
If
you
guys
want,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
topic
to
bring
up
now,
because
a
couple
of
reasons,
so
the
main
one
being
that
this
launched
trader
chat,
chat
tool
for
traders
this
week
on
Monday
with
the
launch
of
version
1.1
point
6
today.
B
That
the
requirement
update
to
version
1.1
point
6
was
activated.
So
if
you
have
an
updated
already,
please
update
as
soon
as
you
can
you
need
to
in
order
to
trade
on
the
software
from
today
onward
so
trader
chat
is,
is
a
is
a
step
two
word
making
dispute
resolution
on
bisque
a
little
bit
more
smooth
and
actually
talk
directly
with
the
peer
and
resolve
any
issues
that
you
know,
minor
issues
that
come
up
that
you
know
a
chat
can
help
with
a
couple
other
small
reasons
we
recently
revived
our
key
based
team.
B
We've
had
a
key
base
presence
for
a
couple
of
years,
at
least,
but
it
wasn't
really
being
used.
We
recently
revived
that
can
put
the
woman
to
put
the
link
in
in
the
chat
for
those
of
you
guys
who
want
to
check
it
out.
Also
one
of
the
other
contributors
set
up
a
riot,
a
room
on
on
wall
on
matrix
using
the
right
client
and
the
chats
happening
on
they're
being
piped
into
slack
on
the
chat
channel.
So
it's
something
cool
to
play
around
with.
B
I
want
to
take
with
this
call
is
maybe
a
little
bit
different
from
what
was
talked
about
on
Twitter,
so
I
think
about
communication
channels
as
being
of
two
different
varieties.
There's
collaboration
where
you
have
a
kind
of
ephemeral
chat
based
medium
to
a
captive
community.
So,
basically
slack
or
you
know
key
base
riot.
B
These
are
tools
that
you,
you
know
if
the
project
decides
to
adopt
them
and
moves
over
to
them,
everybody's
gonna
have
to
adopt,
and
anybody
who
wants
to
become
involved
with
the
project
is
gonna,
have
to
use
them
and
I
think
that's
largely
a
solved
problem,
so
to
speak.
The
tools
are
there,
it
just
requires
somebody
or
a
group
of
people
within
the
project.
To
you
know
someone
up
the
will
to
move
over
and
and
do
all
the
legwork
required
required
to
do
that.
B
B
This
I
think
is
where
the
real
challenge
is,
and
this
is
what
I
really
wanted
to
discuss
a
little
bit
more
on
the
call
it's
like
I
mentioned.
There's
a
lot
of
people
who've
suggested
over
the
years
that
we
move
to
more
open
platforms
for
for
communication
and
collaboration,
and
we
certainly
do
need
to
do
that.
We
have
some
initiatives
underway
for
moving
from
slack
and
then
I
mean
it's
been
talked
about.
B
That
will
move
from
github,
not
sure
how
realistic
that
is
in
the
short
term,
but
yeah
the
other
ones
like
the
Twitter,
for
example,
I,
don't
to
my
knowledge,
the
Twitter
account
for
bisque
has
been
okay.
So
far
we
have
had
some
region
specific
Twitter
accounts
get
banned,
so
the
Japanese
better
Twitter
account
was,
was
locked,
that's
basically
a
Twitter
jail
for
the
first
week
or
two
that
it
was
up.
I
only
had
like
one
tweet
I
think
it
was
just
banned
and
yeah
I
mean
we.
B
B
Now
my
concern
is
okay,
it's
working
now,
but
you
know
what
happens
in
the
future
and
who
knows
what
happens.
I
think
I'm,
getting
ahead
of
myself.
I
want
to
talk
about
Novak
or
dolphin
Novak's,
Mastodon,
experiment
and
I
believe
that
was
sparked
by
a
prominent
figure.
I
forget
who
it
was
one
of
the
prominent
Twitter
figures
in
the
Bitcoin
space
getting
banned,
and
you
know
Rodolfo.
It
was
like
that's.
You
know.
That
said
it
kind
of
was
the
last
straw
for
him
and
that's
what
caused
him
to
start
the
de
Mastodon
instance.
B
So
you
never
know
what
can
happen
and
considering
how
important
Twitter
is
and
YouTube
is
to
an
extent
for
for
the
project.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
talk
about
moving
to
more
reliable
platforms,
but
there
are
some
concerns
on
actually
doing
that
and
how
effective
it
could
possibly
be.
So
I
want
to
talk
about
that
as
well,
but
I
guess
not
too
many
people
in
the
college.
Anybody
had
an
experience
with
yes,
so
someone
just
put
in
the
chat,
secure,
scuttlebutt
I
want
to
get
to
that.
B
That's
my
personal
favorite,
but
it's
a
little
bit
rough
around
the
edges.
I
do
want
to
talk.
I
want
to
I
want
to
basically
stir
the
conversation
to
word
toward
that
that
link
that
derpy
bro
just
sent
in
the
chat
anyway.
We
will
get
to
that.
But
for
now
I
wanted
to
ask
if
anybody
on
the
call
has
had
an
experience
with
I
guess
with
being
banned
on
Twitter
or
any
any
any
negative
experiences.
B
Obviously,
this
is
committed
to
free
software
and
and
being
as
open
and
transparent
as
possible,
and
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
use
more
open
platforms
to
communicate,
but
contributors
as
it
is
already
have
a
lot
in
their
hands
and
running
infrastructure
to
do
their
jobs
is
frankly,
just
not
not
too
realistic,
depending
on
what
you're
talking
about,
and
even
if
we
did,
that
I
think
there's
a
question
of
what
are
the
benefits
anyway,
you
know
people
are
on
Twitter.
They
are
on
youtube.
B
If
you
want
to
be
as
effective
as
possible
as
efficient
as
possible,
it
makes
sense
to
have
a
presence
there,
and
you
know
establishing
a
presence
on
other
platforms.
Conceptually
and
theoretically
is
is
the
way
to
go,
but
is
it
going
to
be
effective?
It's
kind
of
what
we've
been
dealing
with,
of
course,
for
things
like
slack
and
github,
where
you
kind
of
have
to
be
there
like
I
was
talking
about
before.
It
makes
sense,
but
for
more,
the
outreach
oriented
platforms,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
create
or
to
justify.
B
B
What
are
ways
that
we
can
do
that
with
without
it
falling
flat
on
its
face
precursor
to
this,
as
I
mentioned,
Rudolfo
Novak's,
mastodons,
experiment,
the
Bitcoin
hackers,
org
I,
think
this
is
a
really
cool
case
study
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about,
because
in
hindsight
it
seems
like
it
should
have
been
perfect.
It
seems
like
everything
was
there,
you
had
an
influential
leader
of
great
reputation,
a
big
following
of
not
only
regular
people,
but
also
really
influential
people
who
you
know
who
who
helped
the
the
trance,
the
the
migration.
So
to
speak.
B
You
had
really
good
surprising
traction
to
begin
with
so
critical
mass,
which
is
usually
what
a
lot
of
people
you
know
think
is
enough
to
create
traction
on
a
new
platform.
You
had
mirroring
so
you
had.
You
know
you
not
only
had
the
people
who
had
moved
over
and
adopted
the
platform,
but
you
had
you
know.
B
Major
accounts,
like
you
know,
Zero
Hedge,
for
example,
on
Twitter,
is
a
really
commonly
followed
financial
Twitter
account
people
created
BOTS
to
mirror
Zero
Hedge
on
Bitcoin
hackers
on
the
mastodons
and
a
few
other
accounts
to
reduce
the
fear
of
missing
out
factor
from
Twitter
and
to
top
it
all
off,
I
think
you
had
pretty
nice
UX,
at
least
in
my
experience,
the
mastodons
clients
that
I
used
were
pretty
nice.
They,
you
know,
they
look
good,
they
worked
well
and
so
I
don't
know
it
seemed
like
it
should
have
worked.
The
key
ingredients
were
there.
B
You
had
critical
mass,
you
had
you
had
activity,
you
had
activity
going
on
for
a
sustained
period
of
time,
and
you
know
the
guy
in
charge
had
power
and
social
capital
to
get
it
moving,
but
it
didn't
work
and
I'm
curious.
If
anybody
on
the
call
has
any
thoughts
like
what
went
wrong,
what
could
we
learn
from
it
like?
B
B
B
So
I'm
not
saying
Mastodon
itself
is
failed.
I
was
referring
to
the
Mastodon
instance.
The
Bitcoin
hackers
org,
which
I
believe
is
still
online.
When
I
say
fail,
I
mean
it's
just
not
it's
not
mainstream
in
the
Bitcoin
space.
People
are
seems
predominantly
on
on
Twitter
back
to
Twitter,
as
opposed
to
Bitcoin
hackers.
I
mean
there
were
some
key
people
in
the
space.
Just
like
moved
over
and
I
mean
yeah.
Are
you
gonna
say
something.
A
Okay,
sorry
yeah
I
wasn't
sure
that
my
son
was
working
so
I
think
it's
typical
communities,
so
I
think
we
should
only
focus
on
on
moving
people.
Moving
on
creating
these
communities
for
contributors
were
willing
to
take
the
time
to
move
to
a
new
platform
for
the
rest
for
reaching
out
to
new
people.
I
think
we
should
keep
using
Twitter,
Facebook,
reddit
and
stuff
like
that.
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
You
know
with
the
the
bulletin
board
systems
and
the
really
early
internet
before
the
companies
got
involved
in,
took
control
of
social
interaction
and
build
walled,
gardens
and
whatnot,
where
you
would
just
go
on
the
internet
because
he
wanted
to
do
you've
just
there.
There
was
really
nothing
there,
but
at
the
same
time
there
was
everything
there.
Nobody
was
thinking
about
ui/ux
too
much.
Nobody
was
thinking
too
much
about.
How
is
this
thing?
Gonna
get
traction.
B
People
were
just
there
on
their
own
because
they
wanted
to
be
there
and
it
wasn't
easy
to
get
there
in
the
first
place.
So
there
is
kind
of
a
built-in
barrier
to
entry
and
the
people
who
are
there,
respect
to
each
other
for
being
there
because
of
the
inherent
difficulty
of
doing
it,
and
so
that
kind
of
got
me
thinking
that
maybe
some
of
the
less
refined
solutions
out
there
that
you
know,
for
example,
a
guy
Deborah
mentioned
scuttlebutt
scuttlebutt-
is
a
really
cool
technology.
B
B
That's
not
trivial,
either
though,
and
but
I
don't
know
what
got
me
thinking
when
I
was
reading
the
the
Snowden
book
that
maybe
that's
a
good
thing,
maybe
having
a
totally
free
platform
peer-to-peer.
It's
not
even
a
platform
like
a
peer-to-peer
mechanism
for
people
to
connect
to
each
other.
That
is
not
easy.
Maybe
the
way
to
go
at
first
I,
don't
know.
Bisque
is
maybe
a
good
example.
It's
not
trivial
to
run
at
least
for
an
or
me
or
a
normal
person.
You
know
it's
desktop
software.
You
kind
of
have
to.
A
B
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
Into
the
chain,
as
a
next
item
in
the
chain
of
posts
that
came
before
it
and
you
can,
when
you
write
content,
you
write
it
in
the
clot,
whatever
client
you're
using
patchwork
is
the
most
common
desktop.
I
think
it's
called
patchwork
is
the
most
patchwork
is
the
most
common
desktop
client.
You
just
write
your
post
there
and
then,
whether
you're,
online
or
not,
it
doesn't
matter
it'll,
just
like
store
them
in
your
local
local
cache.
And
then,
when
you
go
online,
it'll
just
sink.
B
B
B
What
am
I
missing?
Yeah,
that's
pretty
much
it
pub
servers.
So
the
cool
thing
the
elegant
thing
about
secure
scuttlebutt
is
that
pub
servers
can
go
up
and
down
like
as
I
understand
it,
they
can
go
up
and
down,
and
the
network
is
not
really
affected
because
all
the
data
is
stored
locally.
The
pub
servers
only
act
as
an
always
online
means
to
data
from
node
to
node.
B
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
Way
to
get
started
in
my
mind:
it's
either
you
set
up
a
pub
server
like
a
you
know:
bisque
oriented
or
I,
don't
know
who's
gonna
host
it,
but
you
set
up
a
public
server
or
you
set
up
a
way
for
people
to
configure
their
peers
or
their
nodes
to
to
to
work
over
tor.
That's
probably
not
going
to
be
as
easy,
so
maybe
we
start
with
pub
servers.
Okay,
we
have
an
offer
to
host
awesome.
B
A
A
B
A
B
With
the
translation
efforts,
I
think
forget
the
guys
name.
The
translation
admin
is
probably
a
better
person
to
speak
to
about
that.
We
kind
of
we
kind
of
ran
into
the
the
one
of
the
issues
that
I
mentioned
before
in
the
earlier
part
of
the
call
there.
Oh
yeah
Guinea,
yeah,
yeah
Guinea
is
probably
the
guy
to
talk
to,
but
it
is
you
know
it
matter
being
pragmatic.
You
know,
is
it
worth
moving
over
if
it
does
the
same
thing?
B
Obviously
the
principles
of
web
later
better
than
those
of
transifex
but
yeah
we'll
just
have
to
balance
those
priorities
and
see
what's
what's
what's
what
makes
sense
to
do?
Well,
yeah.
Please
recommend
they
reach
out
to
you
Guinea
fur,
for
translations
cool.
So
we
will
try
will
give
scuttlebutt
a
try,
seems.