Bisq Growth, 29 Mar 2018

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From YouTube: 2018.03.29 Growth call

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Thanks everyone for joining the call! 👍

Please find the promised links below 👇

Slides
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https://www.canva.com/design/DACyun5xS9I/Wj5NvieMswU8kJf-ZQJzRQ/view

Slack Invitation Link
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https://bisq.network/slack-invite ➡️ join the #growth channelWhat is the Bisq DAO?
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https://github.com/bisq-network/docs/blob/master/dao/phase-zero.adoc
Tech Session: An Overview of Bisq - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmUVh3XjRg

Liquidity Weeks
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👉 Bootstrap BTC/GBP liquidity - https://github.com/bisq-network/growth/issues/42
👉 Bootstrap BTC/CAD liquidity - https://github.com/bisq-network/growth/issues/43
👉 Bootstrap BTC/AUD liquidity - https://github.com/bisq-network/growth/issues/44
👉 Bootstrap BTC/CNY liquidity - https://github.com/bisq-network/growth/issues/44

Compensation Request
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Contributor Use Cases - https://github.com/bisq-network/docs/blob/master/dao/phase-zero.adoc#contributor-use-cases
Compensation Repository - https://github.com/bisq-network/compensation

For all the questions we weren’t able to answer within the call please join us in Slack. If we’ve missed something please leave a comment below!

A

Okay, hello, everyone who is watching our YouTube livestream or the recording of this week's growth call I'm, Krista, fat, Anita and I'm your host. Today, yes, always I posted the Hangout. The Google hangout invite link in the chat on the left, so you can just click it and twine us here in the Hangout as well.

A

If you just want to watch this, live stream on YouTube feel free to post any questions or just say hello or from which country you're from in the live chat next to the video, and we try to monitor it on a regular basis and in the end of the meeting we'll get to all the questions that are posted in the chat.

A

As you might know, our next liquidity week will be for British pounds and Bitcoin and will take place in the first week of April so next week, starting on Monday so from the 2nd to 8th of April. We'll also answer all your questions about it. So if you have, if you want to participate- and there are some points that you're not clear- you feel free to ask us- bring the call also to if you have some specific questions under its platform, and we still have some time left today.

A

We have also mic sorry I want to say you have Chris and Matt felt if he gets the internet connection figure out, also in a call, and they are the best ones to answer all your specific questions regarding bisque. We also what I wanted to say: I have been, and how do you pronounce your name? They are not yep exactly perfect in the call today who is working to get together with Mike Russell on an API to be able to trade without using APIs client manually.

A

He will give us a quick overview on the current state of the project and on the planned release date. Maybe if you trust us one last reminder before I'm getting into it. If you want, if you're, watching a slide, and especially if you're from the UK feel free to join us here, and it could be hangout for everyone who is joining us for the first time and maybe don't know, this is the only real decentralized field.

A

Crypto currency exchange out there, so you can exchange national currencies like pounds with Bitcoin or you can also exchange crypto with other cryptocurrencies. Our growth calls like the one today are about exchanging learnings on how to do with this network. We decided last year enough last year to focus for the next couple of months, especially on growing inequality on disk. That means that we want to increase the number of buy and sell offers available on the platform as tool is called. It's also about upcoming liquidity week.

A

I just want to it's been really quickly, but we actually mean the three-day week. It's one week where everyone who is participating, tries to have one by and one sell offer available all the time to kickstart and push a market. Everyone who participates not only supports decentralized exchanges like bisque, but will also receive twenty psq tokens. On top the psq token itself has different utilities within the piece Dao which will be released within the next couple of months. So you can vote with the psq token.

A

You can transfer it by sell it and you can pay the trading fees with it. If you do want to know more about the Bustillo, there is a white paper. I will post the links in the description below, as always or you can watch our first tech session with manfred and Chris, where I also talked about the piece. Do some detail, I'll post the links in the description afterwards so before we get into.

A

I want to let permit talk a little bit about the project. I am working on at the moment and what it's all about cannot do you want to take it over from here sure.

B

I would show my screen: I will.

A

Start preceptor, everyone.

A

C

Does it not working.

B

A

Just what I said, I will move myself a canoe I.

A

Will try to click on present everyone, but why it's a project, Chris yeah, perfect thanks! Please.

B

A

You could to cooperate. Ok.

B

Ok, so hello, everyone I would like to give you a brief update about the API.

B

So our goal is to make some of the basic functionality accessible from outside of the desktop client and we hope to allow third parties to create trading BOTS or probably than a back-end mobile client based on this API, and we already have some demo exposed, for example, Alice, Bob and arbitrator in reqtest mode, and we've got also Alice on the minute. So if we go here, you can see our swagger documentation for those endpoints and each.

B

Each of those tabs has a list of related entrance and, for example, if you would like to create a payment account, you go here, you see that the model is payment account and swagger is not perfect. There is like a lot of polymorphic payment accounts, so you could go down here to model section, look for payment background and then you will have all those are deep aircraft shop and all the rest of the accounts, and you see exactly what kind of title you have to provide.

B

So that might be the case with other end points if you want to go to other end points or other instances of the API. For example the Bob just click on this link, and you can see it's it's just a different sub domain.

B

We can go to arbitrators check if we have any arbitrators here, yeah, sugars. We can also see if we have any accepted ones yeah. That one is the ones that we have accepted and we have also endpoints for other stuff and we currently are able to cover the entire flow so create offer. Take offer set up payment accounts mark.

B

Trade that payment has started that payment has been received and we can move funds back to the FISC wallet.

B

Source code is available here under micro sauce account. mmm The bisque API here is a poem I commanded you, you can use to run this up.

B

The app can be involved in the headless mode and in GUI mode, so, depending on which main class you use here, mmm the different type of app would start. Most of those comments are used for the right test. Environment mmm and tea are already.

B

Those values are specified for the mmm talker compost setup at with God for you yeah. So we got docker compose file. It will bring up Alice, Bob arbitrator and additionally, Bitcoin note and seed node, and here you've got ports so Alice's on port 8080 Bob with 8081, and basically you need only those three guys to to go through the entire trade process.

B

mmm We have also integration tests. If you want to, you always have to remember to build the containers up front, because integration tests run in containers.

B

We also have support scripts. So if you set up the bring up the entire network, meaning the Bob is an arbitrator, you can run this offer make or offer take scripts, and they will invoke.

B

They will heat and once on as proper api's with proper pails to to simulate the entire flow. So I encourage you to inspect those to see what payloads exactly and what end points in what order should be involved.

B

This is to working progress. We are aware of one critical bug that mm behind the talker. Some offers are disappearing, probably something with Network we're still investigating and we were, but there is no authentication yet. So it's not too secure thing unless you're using it only through localhost.

A

Okay, it is correct.

A

I have an echo: do you have headphones? I will just.

C

Nice picture yeah.

A

A nice picture I would just of presenting. My question was so if, if I want to to see what and try try out some some use cases with the API can use the direct test. Url you you just post it and all of the API calls like create offered. They will work and I can can simulate a whole workflow. Is it correct.

B

Yes, well, if we sometimes, we restart the containers to upload the newest version, and sometimes there is not enough Bitcoin dirt, because this is in reqtest what we're trying to whenever we upload the new version we want to. We try to remember to load those guys with with appropriate bitcoins, Soviet venture and.

A

This is kind of separate applications, I'm not aware about the details, or does it talk with the piece client itself and the piece client runs in a headless mode as well or is it something.

B

Yes Doctor three separate docker containers with headless versions of the API.

A

So, besides the one pack you mentioned Easter is there something that holds you off for kind of giving it out to a wider audience for testing or is at the moment what what? What? What would help you to choose to finish off this API integration? Do you need some guys to test test it, or do you need just years API that.

B

Would be very helpful if somebody from community would give you the try and run it locally and try it running for creating some scripts, maybe and testing it. But we also are pretty far behind the core disk because we're using zero six seven version as a base and since a lot has changed, we need to spend some time on upgrading the dependencies to the end.

B

There is also those endpoints have a lot of copy pasted from from the core, mmm basically from the UI, and we need to spend some time with the core team to figure out how we could refactor the core so that the REST API doesn't duplicate the code.

C

May I just make a comment what you said before that officer disappearing. It seems that the refresh message or is not yet yeah not get started or when this disappearing of the office happens around five minutes more or less or seven minutes. Then it's probably this so check out the code of the open offer manager where the refresh messages are started in a timeline in a continuous time, and probably that's missing, I assume another question.

C

Sorry I'm I had internet connection problems, so I missed most of the presentation, but is there original concept that it's basically or the bisque desktop application running special mode? Or is this still in place? A video changed already to completely headless version.

B

Depending on which class is used to bootstrap, you can run either in headless or together with.

C

There you are so you can run it completely. Headless, yes, are without any dependency of the desktop question.

B

Yes, Karan: this ROM has docker inside dokkan dokkan containers, so.

C

Ok and their UI part is probably only just kind of like convenience when you want to do something which JPI does not support at the moment. Right.

B

Yes, but regarding the trade like, it supported almost everything, so it's mostly verified yeah.

C

I mean when you want to like doing something on the wallet or creating the accounts at the payment accounts. I'm, not sure how yeah we've.

B

Got full accrued of payment accounts and also we were able to list all the address entries, but I mean since we last spoke. We wanted to hide some stuff to reflect exactly the same as in the UI and you we have one end point. We just need to write integration tests for withdrawing funds from various addresses.

C

A

Cannot, if, if someone wants to try it out or help you or contribute to the project, what's the best way to contact you guys.

B

We are available daily on slack, so there is there's channel I'm, also Biscay p.I, but you can just ask on any other channel and you will register check out the code. You could you put issues, you know we're waiting for your feedback.

C

Cool, it would be great if we get or some very simple trading bot script connected with the API, so that we have really a use case that will help liquidity a lot when we, when market professional market major makers, have the opportunity to use a trading pot to use bisque I think that's one of the biggest barrier for for attracting those kind of people, because they are they're too lazy to do it manually.

A

That's true: one more question cannot because you posted it recently and in the channel channel on slack. Are you also planning to create a mobile prototype that uses your API? Yes,.

B

We are already like I know: seventy percent ready with this, so it's written in ionic.

B

So it's the hybrid approach. You will be able to build both compile both Android and iOS versions. Out of that yeah and probably by the end of April, we should have something something working, but then there will be this a big thing of starting the setting of the the API actually either in the cloud or I know on some servers. So but but the demo should be ready, like late April,.

C

Cool, so it's a right second, like a light client which is talking with the API. Yes, exactly cool. Thank you show already, or is it too early, probably err just curious.

B

And now I haven't, got it and I haven't, got it yet ready for the demo. So probably next week, I could demo something.

A

Would be really interesting, yeah, and also so, if I couldn't understood it correctly. If the API is ready, then I would also be able to use the API and one of the upcoming liquidity weeks to automatic the create offers. If so, if one of my offers taking I would be able to to get this information out of the API and I would be able to automatically create new office on the fly and to at least most of the training pads automatically without being in front of the computer.

B

Correct the if you have skill to write the script for sure. Oh yeah, that's.

D

True on the mark on desk that suppose that the liquidity week that you were doing it going to to to the British pounds, of course, the parts the part of you put the part of you bank accounts. You will probably not be able to automate that unless you have a very good thing.

D

So that's something to have to take into account. Yeah.

C

Yeah I mean the field. Size will never probably be really fully automatically I mean much more interesting will be for the out point, because there you can really make a fully automated trade. The main thing the feature what's missing: there is to have look up on the Alcuin rockets aura, which also doesn't work on money error, for instance, but all the others here I think you should watch it's still a little bit tricky because that can be am being and be quickie.

C

Are you only know they're the receiver address of the guy, but you can use it for several grades at the same time, even with the same amount. So you don't actually really know if you yes, fraida a hat face or another trader has paid. So it's a little bit more complex and maybe to acquire some additional or data structures or to really cover this Julie, but I think forecast data so in most places I think it should work good enough.

D

Well, of course, since the creation of the baby, the council is now also automated you, you could maybe create one painting accounts per trade so that you have each time soon. You address yeah.

C

That's an idea: somehow I mean we could exchange the payment account that you have sound like or multiple addresses at the moment and make and maybe split it up with sending or receiving addresses, is initially I didn't do just to keep it as simple as possible, but maybe it's something like this or maybe that we were putting it in a pool of addresses and they get kind like Marcus used. So you cannot reuse the same address twice or whatever help you travel to public. There.

D

Just loud that you can have three M Mineiro parent accounts. They just have to have so another name, but.

D

C

Think I'm gonna eros. Probably there is no way that you can do it automatically, because you cannot look it up well.

D

I yeah I think if you have I think if you have two nodes, we will probably be able to do it.

D

They just need to view key prove your accounts.

C

That you are looking yeah if you're looking locally up when you received it or gather when go straight up, has a full node and a KPI connected to their manera. Note the two protesters and it might be a nice addition- maybe some Manero deaf guy is it is interested to help us here.

A

Also as if, if someone who is watching us live at the moment, if you have a question regarding the API feel free to write the questions in the live chat on the left and we'll try to answer them yeah besides this activity on the on the API at the moment, we still have to to do everything manually within the Miss client itself. So if you want to try us on the British pound bitcoins, we do it next week.

A

I want just to give you a quick couple of steps that you need to do to be prepared. So it's quite easy. Of course you you need the best client to be installed on your machine and you should add all the payment methods you want to use. So if you want to use faster payments or see SEPA or national bank transfer or revolute at the moment, most of the payments in the Bitcoin British pounds market are done by faster payments for far so this would be a good payment methods also to use.

A

But of course, it's completely up to you what you want to use. What you also need, of course, is an account where you can send and receive British pounds so either you have an account at the National Bank, but what you, if you want to support, bisque and you're, not based in the UK?

A

What you also can do that you create an account at evolute, which you can easily do from everywhere in Europe, for example, and there you can create also and British found account and you can join the liquidity week, although you are not based in the UK itself, so that works really well and of course you need some bitcoins to be able to trade. So if you have this ready by Monday, then on Monday you just fire up the client create one by one sell offer. You can choose any amount.

A

You want to trade, you're, feeling comfortable any market distance, and when one of your office are taking down taking down or is taking, then it would be great if you can just quit another offer. So you all, you always try to keep one by and oneself available in this market all the time but yeah. If you say yeah, I can't do it for seven days. I can only do join the liquidity week for five days. That's fine! Absolutely!

A

So if you can just run it for a couple of days that it's also also awesome, yeah I would just that's a good question. Yeah one question guiding the API for you cannot hoop. Cooper gorge is asking: how does the API handle its own wallet I'm? Actually not Hannibal ensure if the wallet features are required or optional in regular disk.

B

It's just delegating to the risk, so exactly the same as through the current UI to the desktop client, so I think eternal basic quad and.

A

Okay and he's also asking now also what are your thoughts about leaving office open overnight? Is it bad etiquette to handle office with several hours, latency.

C

A

C

Something to this, sir, but that's not an issue at all, is it's not like local pet cone, where the traders expect that you react in the next half hour or whatever I mean as long as the trade get completed and in the period of the trade? That's fine and it's usually one day so half an outfit a delay overnight pair so is not an issue. Yeah.

A

I also didn't had any issues when I was trading. Of course, um the smaller the distance, the price distance, is from the market price. So if you use this market price based feature in peace, if you choose one percent or zero percent, then offers are taken quite quickly and normally so it's it's and and if you're using Faster Payments, then until fulfillment it can be really a matter of hours minutes. It really depends on the payment methods, mostly.

A

Just quickly, looking back to my list, yeah.

A

To talk about it in the YouTube hangout, or is there any other question, maybe not regarding the liquidity week, but the channel question regarding bisque? You can also ask us in the live chat.

A

If not, then it's it's a shorter growth call. Today it was really interesting thanks panel and Mike for and joining the call and explaining your project to to everyone. I'm really excited to try it out for first time, maybe I'd give it a spin next week and also thanks, Chris and Alfred for joining and once one last time. So if you are from the UK and you want to support peace and now it's your chance.

A

Monday on the British Pound speed connect of the week, and also don't forget to subscribe to this channel because next week, Chris Emma right next week will be another Tech Talk, a tech session yeah.

E

We just did- we just did the second one this week on disks peer-to-peer network, so if you're technical and want to find out about that just look back through our YouTube channel, and you can see that you can go back to the first one that we did a few weeks ago, which is a general technical overview of bisque and we're gonna do another next week, probably on the trade protocol and we'll keep doing these.

E

We intend to do them every week for at least the next few weeks as we go through the major technical areas of bisque and the whole idea around. That is to provide resources to help other developers level up and do the kind of work that Mike is doing and Bernard is doing now. This is exactly what we want to see. Is people coming in, you know taking charge and building useful things on and around disk, so yeah stay tuned for that next week, yeah.

A

It's really exciting: I, like the sessions, a lot yeah, so thanks everyone for joining us today in life, YouTube stream in the Google hangout, and see you again on latest surf day next week, where we'll give you kind of a live update on the liquidly week and also on the next text session that might be even earlier in the upcoming week. So talk to you soon see you soon. I know.

E