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From YouTube: Committee on Civil Rights on April 9, 2019
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Docket #0518 - Hearing regarding enforcement of the Boston Trust Act
A
I'm,
chair
of
the
council's
Committee
on
civil
rights,
this
hearing
is
going
to
be
on
docket
number
zero,
five
one,
eight
a
hearing
regarding
enforcement
of
the
Boston
Trust
Act.
This
hearing
is
being
streamed,
live
online
on
Boston
City,
Council,
TV,
it's
being
recorded
and
will
also
be
broadcast
on
Comcast
channel
8,
r,
CN,
82
and
Verizon
1964.
I
didn't
know
channels
went
up
that
high,
but
as
a
reminder,
I'd
ask
you
to
please
make
sure
your
phones
and
other
devices
are
on
silent
and
we
are
gonna
proceed.
A
I'm
gonna
begin
with
a
brief
background
here
and
then
we
were
gonna,
invite
our
district
attorney
to
make
a
statement
that
she
has
and
then
we're
gonna
get
right
into
with
my
colleagues
who
I'm
joined
by
a
counsel,
Lydia,
Edwards,
obviously
Commissioner
gross
and
your
team.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
look
forward
to
this
discussion.
Just
briefly.
A
The
purpose
of
this
hearing
means
to
examine
the
Boston
Trust
Act.
This
is
a
bill
that
we
wrote
our
law
at
this
point
that
we
wrote
in
collaboration
with
the
BPD
former
Commissioner
Evans
civil
rights
organizations
and
Mayor
Walsh
in
2014.
This
passed
unanimously
by
the
Boston
City
Council,
signed
by
Mayor
Walsh
as
an
expression
of
this
city's
values
when
it
comes
to
civil
rights
when
it
comes
to
making
sure
that
people,
regardless
of
immigration
status,
feel
they
can
come
forward
and
engage
with
our
city
agencies
with
law
enforcement
as
victims
or
witnesses
of
crime.
A
I'm
quite
proud
of
that
legislation.
I'm
proud
that
the
city
was
a
leader
on
that
five
years
ago,
passing
one
of
the
most
expansive
versions
of
this
bill
across
the
country.
But
2014
was
a
different
time.
It
was
before
the
election
of
President
Trump.
It
was
before
I
think
a
wholesale
change
at
immigration
enforcement.
Just
this
week,
the
current
or
immediately
past,
director
of
u.s.
immigrations
and
Customs
Enforcement,
was
ousted
by
President
Trump,
because
the
president
wants
to
go
in
a
quote
tougher
direction.
A
On
immigration
enforcement
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
body,
this
city,
is
doing
everything
we
can
to
enhance
to
comply
with
the
spirit
of
the
original
trust
Act
to
examine
ways.
We
can
make
it
stronger
because
things
have
changed
over
the
last
five
years.
There
was
a
recent
incident
and
we
hear
about
delve
into
that
little
later
on
with
an
individual
in
the
city,
mr.
Paz
Flores,
which
was
concerning
to
me
and
to
many
and
somewhat
of
a
catalyst
for
this
hearing,
and
we
are
going
to
look
a
little
bit
more
into
that.
A
Would
love
to
hear,
what's
being
done,
administrative
ly
on
that
front,
but
this
hearing
and
calling
for
and
administering
it.
My
goal
is
primarily
to
determine
what,
if
any,
updates
are
necessary,
either
legislatively
or
through
the
mayor's
office
or
through
Commissioner,
to
make
sure
that
the
original
intent
of
the
trust
Act
is
followed
to
make
sure
that
in
the
Boston,
Police
Department
I
think
it's
the
finest
Police
Department
in
this
country
and
desert
has
many
well
deserved
accolades
when
it
comes
to
community
policing.
A
When
it
comes
to
engagement
with
our
community
continues
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
in
a
very
change
landscape
in
a
landscape
that
is
pretty
unprecedented
in
American
history,
with
aggressive
enforcement
of
immigration
violations.
In
many
cases
racially
based
enforcement,
and
those
are
things
that,
as
this
body,
the
City
Council
continues
to
stand
up
for.
I
know
mayor
Walsh,
I
know
you,
commissioners,
share
those
values
and
look
forward
to
figuring
out
how
we
can
work
more
together
on
that
so
I'm
gonna
hold
off
on
a
question
zone.
A
B
You
thank
you
counselors.
They
come
for
your
leadership
before
I
had
the
privilege
of
joining
this
body,
I,
remember
working
with
many
nonprofit
organizations
and
we
were
extremely
proud
of
you're.
Getting
that
done
in
your
first
term
and
passing
the
trust.
Act
I
would
also
thank
the
law
enforcement
officers
for
being
here
today.
B
My
my
many
jobs
ago,
I
started
at
the
Brazilian
immigrants
Center,
where
I
learned
about
immigrant
advocacy
learned
Portuguese
learned
about
organizing,
so
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
also
the
worker
center
with
Diego
lo
Lidia
than
the
Brazilian
women's
group
I
just
have
to
acknowledge
them
because
it's
those
groups
is
where
I
cut
my
teeth
in
organizing
so
to
those
immigrant
women
and
men.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
Thank.
A
You
councillor
and
we
also
be
joined
by
our
colleague
a
counsellor
at
Flint
councillor.
Do
you
have
a
brief
opening
remarks?
Great
well,
thank
you
and
in
Commission
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
know,
we've
talked
and
you've
graciously
yielded
at
the
beginning
time
to
our
district
attorney,
Rachael
Rollins
and
madam
district
attorney.
If
you
would
like
to
approach
I
know,
you
have
some
come.
C
C
This
is
better.
I
also
want
to
make
sure
we
acknowledge.
There
are
lots
of
brothers
and
sisters
in
law
enforcement
that
have
attended
as
well,
so
my
name
is
Rachel
Rollins
I'm,
the
District
Attorney
of
Suffolk
County
I,
want
to
thank
you,
committee,
chair
Zakim,
vice
sheriff
Flynn,
who
I
just
saw
and
councillor
Edwards
in
2014.
This
City
Council
and
mayor
Walsh
proclaimed
that
Boston's
law
enforcement
officials
should
not
detain
a
person
on
a
civil
immigration,
detainer
or
administrative
warrant.
After
they
were
eligible
for
release.
The
Boston
Trust
Act
established
that
absent
a
criminal
warrant.
C
C
The
efficacy
of
our
legal
system
requires
the
participation
of
all
persons
and
the
fear
of
arrest,
detention
and
deportation
for
civil
immigration
matters
has
a
significant
chilling
effect
on
our
ability
to
do
justice
in
the
courts
of
Suffolk
County,
to
the
extent
that
the
trust
Act
may
mitigate
those
fears,
I
believe
it
to
be
a
necessary
and
valuable
ordinance.
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
we'll
submit
this
letter
for
the
record
and
Thank
You
commissioner
and
sir,
that
I,
don't
remember
your
name,
you
as
well.
Thank.
A
You,
madam
District
Attorney
I,
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
be
here
and
your
partnership
as
one
of
our
lead
law
enforcement
officers,
obviously
for
the
city
of
Boston
for
the
entire
county.
It's
an
important
partnership.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Commissioner.
I'll
turn
this
over
to
you
a
few.
Your
colleagues
have
any
opening
statements
or
comments
we'll
do
that
and
then
go
into
some
questions.
So
thank
you,
commissioner.
Good
morning,
counselor.
D
D
From
your
42nd
Boston,
Police
Commissioner,
my
job
is
to
serve
you
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
little
personal
background
when
I
came
to
this
city
after
hailing
from
Hillsboro
Maryland
population,
164
I,
look
different
I
sounded
different
people
looked
at
me.
Different
in
no
way
would
I
ever
do
anything
to
not
have
empathy,
sympathy,
caring
respect
for
someone
who
was
just
like
me,
the
Boston
Police
Department,
is
the
first
Police
Department
in
the
nation.
We
are
the
leaders
in
community
policing,
we
believe
in
the
trust
act.
D
Despite
what's
happening
in
Washington
DC.
We
will
not
be
at
scapegoat
because
in
Boston
we
do
things
bigger
and
better,
and
we
are
held
accountable
by
a
great
city
council
and
by
a
great
mayor
and
by
the
people
when
I
say
we're
number
one
in
community
policing
we
are
I
was
raised
by
the
very
community
that
welcomed
me
in
when
I
came
from
a
poor
farming
community
and
I'm
proud
to
be
here
today,
as
your
42nd
Commissioner,
ensuring
that
we,
the
Boston
Police
Department,
protect
everybody
in
that
only
this
Commonwealth.
But
this
city.
D
With
that
being
said,
if
I'm
a
councillor,
we,
the
Boston,
Police
Department
honor
and
abide
by
the
trust
Act,
the
Boston
Police
do
not
enforce
federal
immigration
laws.
We
enforce
state
laws,
Boston
police
do
not
check
immigration
status
in
the
face
of
possible
criminal
activity,
we
determine
identity,
Boston
police
tried
to
solve
homicides
and
we
do
stop
human
trafficking
and
drug
trafficking,
and
we
do
period,
regardless
of
who
is
responsible.
D
Our
partnerships
with
federal
authorities
are
important
tools
and
cutting
ourselves
off
from
partnerships
and
resources
would
be
a
mistake
because
we
are
here
to
protect
the
Commonwealth
and
anybody
who
was
a
victim,
no
matter
where
they
hail
from
it's
the
duty
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
protect
everyone
in
the
city
of
Boston.
We
do
so,
regardless
of
who
they
are
or
where
they're
from
or
what
immigrant
immigration
status
they
may
have.
We
do
our
level
best
to
do
our
job,
smartly,
professionally
and
with
compassion.
D
The
Boston
Police
Department
follows
the
trust,
act
and
letter
and
in
spirit
and
in
keeping
with
the
policies
and
values
so
often
expressed
by
Mayor
Walsh
in
carrying
out
our
duties.
We
do
not
differentiate
the
people
we
serve
based
on
their
immigration
status,
their
race,
their
income,
whether
they
are
Boston
resident
or
someone
who
is
simply
that
simply
works
or
is
visiting
here
they
are
treated
the
same,
no
matter
who
you
are
or
where
you're
from
you
have
a
right
to
be
safe.
D
We're
talking
empathy,
sympathy,
caring
respect,
I
lived
it
Boston
police
do
not
ever
ask
a
victim
of
crime
with
your
citizenship
or
immigration
status
might
be.
Nor
do
we
do
so
for
witnesses.
We
do
this
because,
no
matter
who
you
are
away,
you're
from
no
one
should
live
in
fear.
No
one
deserves
to
be
victimized.
Everyone
has
a
right
to
be
safe
and
we
want
people
to
seek
justice
through
us
and
the
courts.
D
E
It
has
been
my
honor
to
serve
the
Boston
Police
baton
for
32
years
in
a
number
of
different
assignments
and
while
challenging
go
up
in
with
the
school
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
went
through
the
terrible
years
of
busing
when
the
city
was
torn
apart
and
to
be
sitting
here
with
the
first
african-american
police
commissioner's
an
honor
and
and
to
think
where
we've
come
in
that
short
time
from
what
it
was.
It's
it's
my
privilege
and
honor
to
be
here
by
way
of
my
current
assignment
just
to
go
back.
E
I'm,
sorry,
I've
liked
careers,
but
33
years,
I've
won
various
metals
from
award
for
valor,
including
the
Hanul
award,
the
Schroeder
brothers
medal
in
the
middle
of
one.
On
a
few
occasions
again,
I've
had
various
assignments
throughout
my
career
and
I'm
currently
assigned
to
the
drug
control
unit.
I
am
assigned
to
a
federal
task
force
in
a
liaison
office
with
some
other
task
forces
federally
and
I'm.
Also,
a
DEA
sworn
marshal
special
agent
with
them
on
a
task
force
that
works.
Clandestine
laboratories.
Part
of
my
duties
with
the
drug
control
unit,
is
twofold.
E
In
addition
to
the
task
force's
liaison
work
that
I
do
I'm
in
charge
of
a
squad
of
detectives
that
pot
of
the
DEA
regional,
clandestine
laboratory
team,
we
spawned
all
over
New
England,
including
Boston,
obviously,
two
different
types
of
manufacturing
of
drugs
and
most
hazardous
conditions
and
I'm.
Also
the
coordinator
again
with
some
DCU
detectives
for
the
24/7
DC
response
team.
That
is
on
call
during
that
time
for
any
type
of
unknown
exposure
that
may
occur
up
most
most.
The
time
spent
in
all
things
like
that.
E
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Sergeant,
I
will
jump
in
a
couple
questions
I
have
before
turning
over
to
my
colleagues
and
I
will
try
to
be
brief,
because
I
know
there's
there's
a
lot
to
cover.
I
appreciate
the
sentiment
and
I.
Think
philosophically
we
all
are
in
agreement
that
this
making
sure
that
folks
feel
confident
engaging
with
the
men
and
women
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
vital
to
everyone's
safety
in
the
city
of
Boston.
A
Some
of
the
things
I'm
interested
in
looking
at
is
you
know
what
interactions
the
Boston
Police
Department
currently
has
with
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement
I
know
there
are
some
systems
record
systems
federally
administered,
maybe
I
don't
know
if
either
you
can
speak
to
that
that
are
somewhat
mandatory
or
that
we
use
as
Commissioner
gross
indicated,
to
identify
folks
and
that
may
be
fed
into
a
system.
But,
aside
from
that,
you
know,
there's
been
mention
of
a
BPD
ice
task.
A
D
E
That
separate,
not
the
brick
in
Oakland,
its
Homeland
Security
Investigations,
it's
called
Haida
Financial
and
I'm,
also
the
liaison
for
an
additional
units
within
HSI
and
ice
as
well.
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
very
long
time
and
originally
just
for
a
little
background
that
I,
don't
feel
probably
aware,
but
the
2006
was
the
Secure
Communities
program
was
initiated
and
Boston
was
the
pilot
city
for
that.
So
we
I've
been
associated
with
Homeland
Security
DHS
roughly
from
that
time,
except
for
a
few
different
stints
with
the
drug
unit
and
some
other
things
so
so.
A
A
It
from
there
from
there
public
documents
so
and
again:
that's
that's
them
doing
it,
but
my
you
know
some
question
and
I
believe
sergeant
detective.
This
is
for
you
was,
does
ice
either
to
you
directly
as
the
liaison
through
the
DHS
communicate
when
they
intend
to
do
operations
like
in
the
city
of
Boston
do
Boston
Police,
Department
staff
employees
resources
participate
in
this.
How
to
explain
you
know,
can
you
explain
to
us
maybe
a
little
bit
how
those
interactions
work
well,.
E
We
need
to
know
that
they
hand
what
they're
doing
it
would
be
a
dangerous
situation
to
have
law
enforcement
agencies
come
into
our
city
and
not
be
required
to
talk
to
us,
or
you
know,
just
come
in
and
do
their
thing
and
not
you
don't
have
no
communications,
a
dangerous
situation
given,
especially
given
the
climate
around
the
country
with
with
office
of
safety.
It's
a
major
concern,
so
we
demand
that
every
time
that
things
going,
we
want
to
know
what's
going
on
at
all
times.
E
The
Commissioner
wants
to
know
I
want
to
know
what's
happening
so
deconfliction
we
deconflict
and
any
other
reason
we
want
to
do.
That
is
because
you
may,
if
you
have
an
agency
that
comes
in
and
it's
looking
for
targets
or
people,
we
may
conflict
with
our
ongoing
investigations,
and
that's
happened
on
several
occasions
and
because
of
the
communication
that
we've
established.
We
were
able
to
rectify
that
before
it
happened,
so
it
didn't
jeopardize
term
investigation.
So
so
we
have
communication
on
a
constant
basis
of
you
know
any
interaction
or
what
you
know
happening,
including
operations.
A
E
Well,
the
most
part
I'm
the
point
of
contact
for
that
because
again
I'm
doing
it
for
a
long
time.
A
lot
of
you
know
you
have
to
understand
Boston
police
officers,
and
you
know
City
office
in
general.
We
have
no
there's,
no
immigration
flash.
You
have
no
authority
to
arrest
anybody
on
and
I.
Do
nobody
has
that
so
a
lot
of
the
people
that
contact
might
not
know
exactly
what
that
is.
E
A
E
A
So
yes,
I'll
just
do
a
couple
more
before
I
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues,
one
one
aspect:
that's
come
up,
certainly
in
public
reports
and
in
concerns
is
the
so
the
fusion
centers
and
the
brick
and
the
interactions
between
the
Boston,
Police,
Department
and
federal
department,
homeland
security
agencies,
obviously
fusion
center.
When
it
comes
to
counterterrorism,
homeland
security,
other
operations,
I
think
sorry
to
Detective.
That
you've
been
talking
about
is
vital,
but
it
also
has
a
tendency
of
possibility.
I
feel
like
to
blur
lines
when
it
comes
to
immigration
enforcement.
A
Civil
immigration
enforcement,
which
we're
all
agreed
is
not
the
responsibility.
Nor
should
we
be
spending
city
resources
on
that.
So
how
do
you
and
your
team
navigate
those
potential
conflicts?
Obviously
I
think
having
good
relations
with
federal
law
enforcement,
whether
it's
the
DEA,
as
you
said,
you're
doubly
a
sworn
officer
with
them
as
well.
But
how
do
we
deal
with
Isis
I
do
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
we
are.
This
is
a
unique
time
in
this
country
and
from
a
moral
standpoint.
A
You
know
there
is
a
real
difference
to
my
mind,
I
think
many
people's
minds
of
the
operations
that
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement
are
doing
that.
This
president
has
just
you
know,
done
a
purge
of
his
Homeland
Security
Department,
because
they're
not
tough
enough
on
immigration,
and
that
is
gonna
be
felt.
You
know
in
cities
like
Boston,
so
it's
as
much
about
preparing
for
the
future.
So
how
would
we
navigate
that
I
mean?
A
D
With
the
Boston
Police
Department,
we
not
the
agents
of
ice.
Our
databases
are
our
databases.
Our
databases
come
from
true
Intel,
as
well
from
the
people
in
the
communities
from
from
almost
every
resource.
With
that
being
said,
I
did
have
a
question
when
you
said
something
was
blurred.
What
do
you
mean
by
that
specifically?
Well.
A
I
think
with
the
with
the
Boston
Regional,
Intelligence,
Center
and
obviously
their
homeland
homeland
security
funding
officers
there
and
obviously
BPD
participates
as
they
should
in
the
BRIC.
But
how
do
we
I
guess
ensure
from
an
operational
or
a
day-to-day
standpoint
that
you
said
the
spirit
of
the
trust
Act
is
being
fault.
Obviously,
the
letter
of
the
Act
is
BPD,
doesn't
detain
people
and
there's
no
question.
We
don't
know.
D
There's
no
question
of
mine:
one
hundred
over
one
hundred
and
ninety-six
cents
we'd
never
detained
anyone
107
just
last
year
when
everyone's
ineligible
for
bill,
but
know
that.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
For
us
there
are
no
blurred
lines
at
all.
Ice
has
their
job
and
we
have
our
job.
Our
job
is
to
protect
the
citizens
of
the
Commonwealth.
D
When
we
talk
about
investigations
again,
we
want
to
know
who's
doing
what
who
is
the
person?
That
is
a
part
of
that
investigation.
That
is
a
suspect
and
or
other.
We
never
asked
about
immigration
status.
We
need
to
identify
people
because
they
are
suspects
and
again,
as
I
alluded
to
earlier
in
my
opening
statement,
I
don't
care
where
you're
from.
If
you
have
a
nexus
to
criminal
activity,
then
you
will
be
investigated,
there's
nothing
to
do
with
ice
and
we
are
not
their
agents.
All.
A
Right
and
I
do
think
the
initial
the
question
that
I
have
is:
no.
We
were
in
agreement
that
city
resources
and
BPD
shouldn't
be
participating.
This
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whether
it
is
they
have
their
own
resources
counselor
and
then,
as
far
as
you
know,
we're
talking
about
with
this
cooperation
with
with
DHS
with
others.
I
do
think
whether
it's
a
policy
through
your
office,
Commissioner
or
if
it's
something
legislatively
you
know
what
to
your
mind,
if
anything,
to
either
of
you,
gentlemen,
would
help
to
clarify
these
things.
A
I
think
address
some
of
the
concerns
public
relations
aspect.
How
do
we
address
this
through
policy
statements,
whether
it's
through
legislation,
to
make
it
crystal
clear
that
not
only
are
we
following
the
letter
of
the
trust
Act,
which
again
there
has
been
no
no
question
about
that
so
part
of
this
hearing
and,
to
my
mind,
a
large
part
of
this
hearing
is:
how
do
we
strengthen
that?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
there's
no
confusion
in
the
community
and
that
we
are
standing
again
in
the
spirit
of
things
there's.
D
A
couple
of
ways
to
do
that
and,
first
of
all,
don't
believe
everything
that's
put
in
the
newspaper
come
to
the
Boston
Police
or
come
to
the
City
Council.
Usually
we
talk
all
the
time,
but
with
that
being
said,
when
the
mayor
is
in
public
and
I'm
in
public
in
any
community
meetings,
I
tell
folks
and
as
you've
all
can
see,
I'm
a
blunt
person.
We
are
not
the
agents
of
ice.
D
These
are
challenging
times
we
see
what's
going
on
in
Washington
DC,
but
the
Boston
Police
Department
has
never
wavered
in
its
duties
and
never
gone
against
the
the
trust
Act.
You
know.
Councilor,
we
participated
in
numerous
arrests,
extortion,
rape,
murder
gangs
from
20
I'll,
just
go
from
a
timeframe
from
2016
to
now
over
90
arrest
for
ms-13
and
18th
Street
the
thumbs
were
the
people
in
the
community.
D
It
didn't
matter
what
their
immigration
status
was.
What
matter
was
is
that
they
were
victim.
Children
be
enforced
in
the
gangs
murdered
on
beaches
and
in
parks,
the
multi
jurisdictional
multi-agency
cooperations,
led
to
over
90
different
arrests
and
forty
nine
convictions
in
Massachusetts
and
clearances
of
homicide,
especially
the
case
where
that
that
young
man
was
killed
on
Constitution
Beach
or
a
young
woman
was
killed
in
the
garage.
We
didn't
ask
for
an
immigration
status
on
that
at
all.
D
We
did
our
jobs
and
we
protected
the
people
of
the
Commonwealth,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
so.
I
even
took
a
trip
to
El
Salvador
to
find
the
root
cause
of
why
gangs
are
how
they
are
in
El
Salvador
and
how
they're
trying
to
infiltrate
and
have
them
filtration,
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
and
in
the
country.
We
show
on
a
daily
basis
that
we
protect
the
city
after
I
returned.
We
work
with
clergy.
D
Folks
in
East
Boston
to
help
make
sure
that
kids
will
not
join
gangs.
They
will
not
be
successful
to
violence,
no
matter
where
you
hail
from,
but
not
just
in
East
Boston
in
any
one
of
our
communities.
We
are
committed
again.
We
are
not
agents
of
ice
that
trust.
Act
was
put
into
place
for
a
reason
for
Massachusetts
and
for
the
city
of
Boston
to
show
everyone
clearly,
whether
they
be
in
Washington
DC
or
not,
that
we're
just
going
to
protect
the
citizens
of
the
Commonwealth.
A
You,
commissioner
I
just
have
one
one
ask
one
last
aspect
about
the
so
the
the
instance
that's
been
widely
reported
that
we've
spoken
about
of
in
2017
and
the
news
reports.
That
of
in
many
ways
sparked
this
interest
in
need,
I,
think
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
on
how
the
trust
act
is.
Is
there
internally
in
your
department
procedures
in
place
because,
as
reported
in
the
press,
the
incident
where
mr.
D
That
counselor
really
I.
Thank
you
for
inviting
us
here
today
to
shed
light
on
that
and
educate
people,
because
I
just
think
that
the
BPD
was
holding
a
bad
light.
We
did
our
job,
we
did
nothing
wrong.
So
with
that
being
said,
sergeant
detective
Gallagher
can
shed
light
on
that
incident
and
how
it
came
to
be
because
he
was
the
sergeant
the
supervisor
that
was
contacted
by
the
district
detective.
Thank.
E
A
Think
well,
I
was
saying
in
the
press
reports
that
I'll
summarize
this
thing.
This
is
to
that.
You
know
WBUR
in
particular.
Is
that
as
I
understand
it,
mr.
Paz
Flores
was
injured
on
the
job
at
a
pier
as
construction
at
our
construction
excuse
me
and
that
they
had
fallen
out
of
compliance
with
their
workers,
comp
insurance,
OSHA,
federal
Occupational,
Safety
and
Health
Administration
investigated.
D
A
E
Well,
first
of
all,
I,
like
I,
think
the
term
looped
into
it.
Isn't
you
know
we
have
paramilitary,
that's
how
the
police
work
so
I'm
contacted
by
it
could
be
my
position
so
I
don't
get
looped
into
anything.
I'm
client
acted
by
investigators
who
have
cases
that
they're
looking
at
potentially
and
I
because
of
my
specialty.
It
may
come
into
play
or
not
so
the
detective
contacted
me.
Detective
Juan
Sione
stated
that
again
it
was
cousin
had
a
business
and
added.
E
There
was
a
question
about
the
true
identity
of
an
employee
that
had
been
injured
on
the
job
he
sent
me
I
asked
him:
well,
what
did
you
have
for
the
information
and
what
was
the
concern
and
he
said
again
possible
an
ID,
ID
theft
or
fraud
type
of
thing
going
on
with
this
person
he
sent
me
a
photograph
of
a
called
Green
khat,
it's
a
legal,
permanent
resident
Cod.
That
was
the
only
form
of
identification
that
was
available,
that
they
have
that.
E
So
in
my
position,
even
though
I
am
liaison
and
also
assigned
to
federal
task
force,
I
do
not
have
access
to
any
federal
database,
so
I
have
no
way
to
verify
whether
the
card
is
legitimate
or
information.
Nothing
like
that,
and
also
the
people
that
I
work
with
at
least
my
groups
have
no
access
to
the
Boston
systems
either.
So
I
contacted
one
of
the
people
that
I
work
with
and
they
were
able
to
run
this
Cod.
This
LP
akhada,
green
Cod
so
called,
and
the
each
kados
an
identifying
number
specific
to
that
Cod.
E
So
each
person,
Gregg
delegate,
has
a
green
card.
My
number
is
specific
to
me
that
that's
my
unique
number,
this
particular
Cod.
The
number
came
back
to
an
Asian
meal,
which
obviously
was
not
the
person
on
the
cod,
and
so
it
was
a
fraudulent
green
card.
So
right
off
the
bat
there's
potential
state
charges
for
identity
theft,
possibly
and
also
that's
a
federal
crime
as
well,
a
fraudulent
green
cat.
E
If
he
purporting
to
be
that
person
further
investigation
conducted
by
the
agent
that
I
spoke
to
about
the
cod
revealed
in
his
investigation,
that
potentially
the
person
who
had
this
Cod
was
had
an
active
want
of
deportation
that
had
been
issued,
I
think
it
was
2002
of
roughly
around
that
time.
There
was
some
further
information
I'm,
not
at
liberty,
to
speak
of
that
is
involved
in
this
and
that
they,
in
fact
he
was
subject
to
arrest
by
ice.
They
they,
you
know,
wanted
to
arrest
him
due
to
the
fact
that
he
was.
E
So
at
that
point,
I
informed
detective
Sione
to
basically
to
those
facts,
and
you
know
if
it
was
further
information
from
the
his
cousin
was
the
employer
in
regards
this
individual
I
had
conversation
with
mr.
Pires
was
his
name.
He
informed
me
that
the
gentleman
would
be
coming
in
mr.
Paz
Flores
to
pick
up
I
think
he's
pick
up
a
check
money
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
I
relayed
that
information
back
over
to
ice
and
ice
was
interested
that
day
to
pick
him
up
so
basically
on
scene
after
mr.
E
D
D
D
D
F
A
I
just
want
to
be
clear
because
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
and
I
just
follow
up
briefly
then
I
turn
over
to
my
colleague,
councillor
Edwards
I'm,
sergeant
I,
guess
I
would
say
that
you
know
that
that
recounting
of
the
incident
is
somewhat
concerning,
while
not
in
violation.
The
Boston
Trust
Act
is
that
when
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement
has
said
only
that
they're
looking
for
someone
for
an
immigration
violation
and
that
they
are
subject
to
arrest
but
for
a
civil
immigration
violation,
I
think
that's
sort
of
in
the
spirit
of
what
we're
talking
about
that.
A
D
A
D
A
Warmth
is
sharing
a
federal
judge,
but
the
sharing,
but
the
sharing
of
the
information
and
coordinating
with
someone
who
even
the
Trump
administration
is
now
pursuing
for
labor
violations
for
issues
intimidating
his
workers
to
prevent
them
from
filing
workers
comp.
You
know,
that's
that's
a
concerning
to
use
your
word
nexus
of
what's
happening
again,
it's
not
a
violation
of
our
current
rules
or
policies.
This
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
I
want
to
see.
A
D
This
was
an
active
investigation
to
see
who
this
individual
was.
He
definitely
wasn't
the
asian
male.
We
couldn't
list
an
Asian
male
as
a
suspect,
so
this
is
unique
circumstances
and
the
course
of
the
investigation
of
an
individual
is
found
to
have
a
warrant,
and
it's
federal
ice
has
the
ability
and
the
authority
to
make
that
arrest.
No.
D
For
clarity,
what
did
we
do
wrong?
We
were
excuse
me
investigating
that
individual,
my
immigration
status,
because
variations
in
being
he's
Latino
and
he's
not
Asian.
So
will
we
do
the
same
thing
if
let's
say
this
guy's
from
Jupiter,
this
came
to
our
attention.
We'd
investigate
it
the
same
way.
I,
don't
understand.
D
A
D
E
F
E
Going
on-
and
there
was
a
case
pending
in
court
and
that'll-
be
determined
at
that-
the
facts
will
come
out,
but
we
had
no
knowledge
of
anything
with
that.
Basically
was
a
fraud
investigation
and
it
can
be
pursued
by
the
federal
agents.
The
fraud
case
could
that's
their
choice.
To
make
I
don't
I
can't
pursue
a
federal
charge
on
somebody
I.
Don't.
A
D
The
record
I
don't
think
the
beat
Boston
Police
are
my
brothers
and
sisters
in
law
enforcement
and
across
this
Commonwealth
should
be
the
scapegoats
because
of
what's
happening
in
Washington
DC.
As
a
for
mentioned,
all
of
the
arrests,
homicide,
murder,
rape,
extortion,
we've
been
there
every
step
of
the
way
for
the
Commonwealth
and
especially
for
the
city
of
Boston.
D
So
the
way
we've
been
paying
it
like
we're
the
ones
they
gave
the
false
identity
and
that
we're
the
ones
that
had
a
criminal,
Nexus
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that's
honorable
and
it's
not
being
respectful
of
the
men
and
women
that
serve
this
Commonwealth
and
our
United
States
in
law
enforcement.
We
protect
the
citizens.
Well,
we
shouldn't
be
held
as
as
we're
the
ones
that
we're
doing
well.
A
Well,
Commissioner
I
could
certainly
say
from
this
side
of
the
table.
We
have
our
own
concerns
with
press
coverage
over
time
and
that's
not
that's
not
a
that's
not
what
this
is
about.
I
want
to
make
sure
the
city
is
doing
everything
we
can
for
our
shared
values
and
with
that
I'm,
going
to
turn
over
to
councillor
Edwards,
who
has
been
very
patient.
I,
see,
you've
also
been
joined
by
councillors
of
sabe
George
and
councillor
Janie
Thank
You,
Catherine,
woods.
B
B
Your
dedication
to
the
city,
the
historic
rise
of
you
being
the
first
african-american
male
Commissioner
in
no
way
is
that
in
question,
I
have
had
the
privilege
to
work
with
many
of
your
officers
in
a
seven
I
will
give
them
complete
and
total
credit
to
the
amount
of
outreach
and
work
they've
done
in
our
immigrant
community,
and
that
has
been
a
work
in
progress
and
they
have
captain
McCormick
has
done
an
amazing
job.
The
piece
walks
I've,
seen
you
at
the
peace
box
I've
seen
our
community
officer
these.
B
This
is
an
indication
that,
yes,
you
you
have
taken
without
a
doubt
us
to
the
next
level
when
it
comes
to
community
policing.
So
I
would
say
that
that
is
not
in
question,
but
because
of
the
way
the
things
have
been
reported
because
of
the
fact
that
we're
dealing
with
DC
because
of
all
of
those
things
right,
we
did
get
the
calls
you
can
imagine.
So
did
you,
but
we
got
the
calls
to
frighten
people,
scared
mothers,
immigrants
who
are
our
constituents
in
yours
as
well?
B
D
B
B
I
B
Thank
you
for
that
knowledge
meant
I
was
that
attorney
representing
those
undocumented
immigrants.
I
have
been
that
attorney
that
workers
rights
attorney
more
times
than
not
and
I
have
seen
repeatedly,
and
you
can.
You
can
see
this
even
when
it
comes
to
black
and
brown
men,
walking
relaxing
sitting
down,
there's
an
abuse
that
is
happening
of
your
resources
when
it
comes
to
targeting
people
in
the
community
now
it'll
be
something
that
they
you
know,
someone
will
call
the
police
about
someone
who
looks
like
they're,
not
from
that
neighborhood.
B
He
went
to
the
hospital,
which
is
what
you're
supposed
to
do
when
you're
injured
on
the
job.
You
are
supposed
to
go
to
the
hospital.
The
hospital
followed,
complete
and
total
product
protocol,
which
is
they
are
supposed
to
call
the
employer
about
workers
comp
to
see
who's
going
to
pay
this
bill,
so
the
possible
was
following
protocol
as
a
result.
Very
this
is
this
is
textbook.
He
didn't
have
workers
compensation
and
he
needed
to
make
sure
that
this
person
went
away.
He
very
likely
knew
the
documented
status
of
his
employee.
B
F
B
Could
have
called
a
lot
of
other
folks,
he
could
have
done
a
background
search
himself.
He
could
have
approached
and
talked
to
the
employee.
He
called
the
law
enforcement
agency
which
to
me
you
have
a
lot
better
things
to
do
crimes
to
investigate
and
decide.
If
Joe
Blow
is
the
proper
person
to
get
this
working
copy
workers,
compensation
check,
I
feel
he
used.
B
D
B
B
No,
no
I'm
telling
you
something.
Yes,
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'm
telling
you
literally
from
the
years
of
experience
in
representing
workers,
that's
how
it
works.
You
are
used
in
this
process.
You
are
called,
and
you
see
and
I
just
mentioned
it.
When
it
comes
to
a
lot
of
black
and
brown
men,
you
were
used
as
a
as
a
means
to
abuse
and
exact
or
intimidate
people.
B
It's
offensive,
I
think
even
to
you
that
you're
used
so
I
guess
I
want
to
make
sure
and
I'm
glad
we
talked
about
this
there's
ways
in
which
we're
just
apparently
gonna
have
to
change
the
trust
Act
to
make
it
more
trustworthy
to
make
sure
that
you
are
not
used
in
those
those
present
in
those
processes.
I
want
to
specifically
talk
about
some
of
the
things
that
sergeant
detective
Gallagher
brought
up
you
had
mentioned,
and
this
is
why
I'm
explained
to
me
like
you
are:
there
is
no
ice
task
force.
Is
that
what
you
said?
B
E
B
E
B
B
E
B
B
B
And
so
again,
not
violating
I
guess
the
truss
racket
as
it's
written,
we
might
have
to
improve
that
loop.
Not
not
I,
won't
call
it
a
loophole.
It
seems
that
you
guys
are
trying
to
get
around
well.
We
would
have
to.
We
will
have
to
fix
that
gap,
but
I
guess
my
my
concern
is,
after
you
had
already
or
after
ice,
knew
that
this
person
was
involved
in
their
doing
their
own
and
arrest
their
own
investigation.
They
understand
that
this
person
is
there.
Why?
D
B
B
D
B
E
E
E
B
Is
her,
this
is
Lydia,
let's
just
take
it
away
from
mister
pass.
This
is
Lydia.
This
is
her
all
right,
so
I
understand
from
what
you
guys
were
talking
about.
That's
really
where
you
guys
go
to
just
identify.
This
is
Lydia.
This
is
not
Lydia.
This
person's
got
nothing
to
do
with
it.
This
person
does
so
once
we've
done
that.
E
D
B
But
they
knew
to
stop
him
at
that
particular
point,
because
BPD
told
them,
but
that
this
particular
this
person
is
suspected
to
be
this
person,
and
that
is
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
Why
BPD
had
a
role
in
helping
beyond
just
saying
you
know
you
did
your
investigation
beyond
that.
What
why
are
we.
D
B
No,
no
I,
don't
think
it's
something
I!
Think
it's
it's!
It's
being
your
practical
experience,
your
real-life
experience
and
how
things
work
informs
how
we
should
write
policy
all
right,
their
practical
experience
and
how
they're
seeing
things
informs
how
we
should
write
policy
if
there's
a
disconnect
where
we
had
a
goal
of
a
policy
separating
BPD
from
ice.
D
F
D
B
D
D
D
B
Having
represented
those
workers,
they
also
aren't
cut
and
dry
and
immediate
either.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
ripple
effect.
Fear
that
that
individual
worker
has
it
was
sometimes
it's
tough
to
even
get
my
clients
to
go
to
the
hospital
bleeding,
because
they
were
so
scared
that
they
would
be
deported
not
having
anything
to
do
with
you.
Okay,
so
I
want
to
be
clear.
The
last
thing
a
lot
of
them
want
to
be
is
in
the
newspaper
with
their
names
and.
D
B
B
Lutely,
absolutely
and
there's
also
when
you
would
do
investigate
and
look
at
these
certain
crimes,
and
these
are
workplace
crimes.
I
mean
you
could
under
workers
comp
after
a
certain
amount
of
times.
You
can
look
forward
and
I
would
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
forward
into
terror
constructions.
How
many
workers
comp
claims
they
may
have
had
because
they're
also
potentially
arrest
able
as
well.
So
you
might
want
to
look
at
some
of
the
crimes
that
those
employers
have
committed
yeah
under
workers,
compensation
laws,
there's
certain
amount.
We.
E
D
B
B
Not
gonna
belabor,
with
the
wonkiness
of
what
the
attorney-general
investigation
cuz.
They
could
have
several
open
on
many
different
crimes:
wage
theft,
workers,
comp
all
sorts
of
different
things,
and
we
I
don't
know
one
which
which,
which
one
you're
talking
about
if
they
investigated
them
all
completely.
What
happened
so,
but
thank
you
for
that.
I'll.
B
I
think
they
should
be
in
jail.
I'll
just
put
that
out.
There
tear
construction
because
again
I
just
from
what
I
have
done
for
years,
just
like
what
you've
done
for
years
and
forms
what
you've
done.
You've
got
a
gut
reaction.
You
know
how
things
are
you
kind
of
know
who
is
in
and
not
telling
you
the
truth.
This
is.
This
is
just
textbook
what
they
did.
D
Case
has
been
portrayed
in
the
media,
as
you
know,
it's
it's
very,
very
instrumental
in
to
what's
going
on
in
DC
and
how
is
viewed
by
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts,
since
we
have
the
trust
act.
So
this
is
an
instrumental
case
to
determine
how
we
move
forward.
So
we
are
agreeing
with
you
it's
a
little
late,
but
since
it's
come
to
attention,
we
should
be
working
together
because
it
is
about
trust
and
when
people
are
victimized,
they
should
feel
free
to
come
to
the
Boston
Police.
D
You
are
anyone
so
that
we
can
help
them,
but
also
know
this.
The
people
that
come
here
to
make
this
country
a
better
place,
the
further
their
bloodline
to
work
in
a
nice,
safe
environment.
There
are
also
people
that
come
in
right
with
them
that
have
criminal
enterprise
and
their
mindset.
So
with
that
being
said,
my.
D
Will
also
protect
the
individuals
that
are
residents
of
this
Boston
from
any
criminal,
no
matter
where
they
hail
from
so
as
long
as
we're
on
the
same
page
as
that,
but
I'm
not
gonna
turn
my
head,
the
other
way,
if
someone
says
hey
yeah
I
did
this
I
did
that.
But
you
know
there
could
be
an
immigration
status.
You
should
turn
the
other
way,
because
that's
what
the
Trust
Act
says.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
people
are
crystal
clear
on
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
about
that.
D
If
we're
talking
about-
and
you
know,
I
talk
to
people
in
the
community,
some
people
think
that
if
someone
is
questioning
us
about
us
questioning
them
about
their
immigration
status,
that
they
get
a
free
pass,
why
is
that
and
I'm?
Like
that's
not
the
case,
so
on
both
sides,
we
need
to
educate
the
public
a
little
more
about
what
the
trust
Ock
is
and
how
we're
working
together
so
I'm
in
total
agreement
with
you,
yeah.
B
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
very
clear,
also
about
how,
when
you
do
come
and
how
you're
called
because
I
think
that
that
again,
it's
all
to
me
it's
a
matter
of
abuse
of
resources.
When
people
call
you
in
on
whether
the
person
there's
a
black
man
walking
around
or
sitting
down
or
doing
having
Starbucks
we've
all
seen
this
or
whether
it's
the
person
has
now
been
working
me
for
me
for
years
right
and
all
of
a
sudden,
I
I,
just
don't
know
who
this
person
is
I'm.
B
That's
my
critique
the
Terek
instruction
I,
don't
believe
for
one
second
they're
confused
about
what
they're
doing
that
being
said:
East
Boston,
High
School
in
my
school
we
had
an
incident
with
a
young
man
who
was
labeled,
gang-related
and
I,
don't
believe
it
was
by
the
BPD
I
think
it
was
by
the
school
officer
and
and
as
a
result.
So
some
of
the
critique
is
about
potentially
the
overreach
of
some
of
the
school
officers
and
then
they're
pulling
and
labeling.
D
B
D
Said
that
he
passed
the
info
to
brick,
it
never
arrived
that
brick.
He
never
passed
that
forward
and
maybe
that's
something
we
can
compare
after
this
because
I
don't
have
that
report
in
front
of
me,
but
the
report
that
I
read
stated
that
the
individual
self
identified
as
ms-13
again
that
report
never
reached
brick,
even
though
it
said
check
the
databases
and
like
we
don't
have
any
info
from
that
report.
But
that
is
a
school.
A
school
police
report
right.
B
D
D
B
K
B
F
B
Investigate
so
I
guess
Mike.
My
concern
is
that
that
could
be
just
like
you
know,
having
Starbucks,
while
black
or
being
some.
You
know
that
that
could
be
overly
used
again
to
abuse
your
resources,
to
have
you
in
bed
to
gay
people
who
have
nothing
to
do
with
those
crimes.
So
when
you
come
in
on
or
when
you
go
to
see
whether
this
person
is
gang-related,
what
what
is
talked
me
through
that
process,
so
you
look
at
I'm.
Think
it's
points
or
you
look
at
you're.
B
D
D
D
D
B
D
Too
much
not
to
my
knowledge,
I,
don't
have
to
be
more
clear
because
I'm
not
trying
to
be
elusive,
I
don't
but
right
now
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
being
sued,
and
it's
about
the
gang
database
and
brick
so
again,
just
for
clarity
and
everybody
watching
I'm
not
trying
to
be
evasive,
but
there's
a
pending
lawsuit.
So
there's
only
certain
things:
I
can
answer
and
only
a
certain
way
and
I'd
be
more
comfortable.
D
D
D
B
B
D
B
D
B
B
B
E
D
With
you
and
I
think
the
sooner
the
better
mm-hmm
cuz,
that's
gonna,
send
the
message
to
those
folks
that
are
predators
and
hunters
and
victimized
and
abuse
that
we
are
working
together
right.
That's
why
we
should
have
a
unified
front
in
combating
criminal
activity
and
people
that
victimize
no
matter
where
people
are
from
that
victimized.
Our
residents
in
this
city,
I'm.
L
Presentation,
but
they
will
certainly
go
back
and
review
the
tape
with
the
individual
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
southeast
Boston
gates,
the
other
one
where
they
presented
some
other
identifications.
What
measures
do
we
take
as
a
city,
or
do
you
take
in
your
departments
to
protect
the
the
identity
of
those
people
and
and
their
documentation
going
forward?
What
can
we
do
to
make
sure
that
those
aliases
that
I
assume
may
belong
to
real
people?
How
do
we,
how
do
we
ensure
their
potential.
D
E
D
D
L
So
aside
from
that,
the
specifics
of
that
case
that
any
individual
that
may
exist,
whose
name
was
presented
that
we're
making
sure
that
we're
protecting
that
individual,
through
this
case
through
the
East
Boston
High
School
case,
which
I've
got
a
comment
about
in
a
moment.
What
what
are
the
things
that
we're
learning
as
a
city
and
as
a
department
that
we're
then
applying
to
professional
development
to
support
the
work
of
your
office's
every
single
day.
I.
Think.
D
It's
something
as
simple
as
what
we're
doing
today
talking
it's
seeing
how
we
can
build
trust
in
the
community
so
that
when
we
do
get
information
about
individuals
that
we're
getting
it
from
true
Intel
the
people
in
the
community
from
our
systems,
it
should
be
a
unified
front,
because
we've
seen
a
tragedy
that
tragedy.
Folks
was
a
young
men,
man
that
was
identified
as
an
ms-13
gang
member,
a
federal
judge,
said
Boston
Police.
What
are
you
doing?
The
tattoo
was
for
the
love
of
his
country
and
the
knife
is
for
chopping
vegetables.
D
D
About
how
they
brutally
attacked
this
kid,
stuck
him
like
a
cow
and
laughed
at
him
while
he
was
dying
and
then
on
a
federal,
wiretap,
aswell
bragged
about
how
they
duped
the
attorneys
and
the
judge
in
the
thinking
they
were
good.
Kids.
The
only
way
that
combat
dot
is
to
work
together
to
ensure
that
our
databases
and
our
Intel
are
at
such
a
level
that
not
even
a
judge
would
question
them,
but
that
can
only
be
done
together,
so
we
can
avoid
any
any
any
tragedies
like
that.
That
was
just
a
tragic
thank.
L
F
L
D
L
D
L
My
only
sort
of
final
closing
comment
is,
as
we
look
to
renew
the
trust
act
and
make
sure
that
it's
being
applied
evenly
across
our
city
and
through
our
city
departments,
in
particular
our
Boston
Police,
Department,
that
it's
that
it's
encouraging
and
making
available
professional
development
within
your
department.
That's
consistent
with
the
with
the
ordinance,
as
as
the
trust
act
is
we've
passed
it
here
at
the
council.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
couple
final
questions
than
we
do
have
other
folks
who
are
gonna
are
gonna
speak
on
a
second
panel
after
after
you
general
make
room
done.
Yes,
so
I'll
be
I'll,
be
quick.
I
know
this.
This
is
obviously
a
very
detail-oriented
issue,
both
the
specific
incident
and
broader.
So
it's
it's
easy
for
us
all
to
get
into
the
weeds
on
this.
A
There
are
a
couple
things
you
know
for
this
body,
I
think
to
assess
how
the
trust
act
has
been
working
when
it
should
be
happening
into
your
comments
about
the
one
this
incident
happening
in
2017.
It
only
came
to
our
attention.
You
know,
through
press
reports
and
information
that
my
office
has
been
requesting
through
the
mayor's
office
through
your
department
regarding
cooperation
with
ice
or
communications,
and
interactions
with
ice
from
BPD
would
be
helpful
in
us
figuring
out
what
the
best
path
forward
is.
A
We
have
asked
for
this
and
we're
formally
asking
for
it
at
the
council
meeting.
You
made
a
request
just
yesterday,
right
No
well
over
well
over
a
week
ago,
and
we've
been
trying
to
reach
out
we'll
do
this
and
we're
gonna.
We
can
continue
doing
this.
Cuz
I
think
it's
in
everyone's
interest
to
to
find
the
best
way
for
which
we
agree
on
in
the
one-one-one
question.
I
do
have
about
moving
forward.
You
know,
California
has
a
statewide,
they
call
it
a
sanctuary
bill
or
similar
I.
Think
our
safe
communities
act
here
or
proposed.
A
Safe
Communities
act
in
Massachusetts
and
one
aspect
of
it
prohibits
local
law
enforcement
agencies,
including
their
states,
are
all
California
law
enforcement
from
providing
information
regarding
a
person's
release
date
or
responding
request
for
notification
of
release,
dates
from
ice
and
I.
Think
that's
somewhat
I
propose
our
discussion
here.
You
know
not
proactively.
Sharing
information
with
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement.
Is
that
something
that
I
would
define
release
states?
This
was
release
date.
A
This
is
about
when
people
are
being
released
from
custody,
but
I
think
it
is
somewhat
relevant
to
this
discussion
about
communicating
directly
with
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement
information
about
the
whereabouts
of
people
who
are
going
to
be
arrested
for
civil
immigration
violations,
not
for
criminal
violations
which
we're
talking
about
this.
Since
we
can
definitely.
A
Of
clarity,
I,
agree
and
and
I
think
that's
what
we
want
to
see
here
and
I
do
appreciate
you
and
sergeant
detective
Gallagher's
answering
and
eliminating
a
lot
of
these
issues
for
us.
I
know
we're
gonna
hear
from
some
other
folks
in
the
community
after
this
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
and
making
sure
that
this
this
act
is
as
strong
and
Boston
continues
to
be
as
strong
as
we
can
right.
D
And
I
think
this
should
be
a
unified
front,
because
there
are
people
in
the
communities.
Believe
me
that
think
that
this
should
be
fair
for
everyone
and
that,
if
you're
of
criminal
intent,
you
should
not
get
a
break.
If
you
wave
like
hey
well,
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think!
That's
on
you
all
the
newspapers
and
what's
come
about,
there's
questions
in
the
neighborhood
and
sir.
You
know
I
I'm,
very
blunt
I
tell
it
like
it
is.
D
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
because
there's
other
people
who
need
their
trust
restored
as
well,
that
a
person
that
an
immigration
judge,
let's
go,
goes
and
murders
a
seventeen
year
old
kid
or
other
people
that
are
trying
to
recruit
kids
into
gangs
will
not
get
caught
a
break
because
they
claim
like
hey.
You
can't
check
on
me
because
you're
gonna
be
deemed
as
going
to.
A
Get
commissioner
I
have
confidence
in
the
men
and
women
that
work
with
you
and
a
Boston
Police
Department
that
we
can
keep
the
city
safe
as
we
have
through
our
state
laws
through
our
city
ordinances,
but
we
need
to
educate
and
as
a
unified
front,
absolutely
in
it.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
know
right.
It
was
just
one
last
question,
then
we're
gonna
move
to
the
next.
The
next
panel.
B
D
B
Once
again,
yeah
Tara
construction,
yeah,
but
but
also
in
general.
What
I
think
is
really
important
is
that
there
so
I
wanted
that
four
out
for
the
record
they
are
being
sued.
The
US
Department
of
Labor
under
the
Trump
administration
is
going
after
terror,
construction
for
retaliating,
against
a
worker
and
using
I
think
city
resources
unwisely
and
bigoted,
and
with
the
xenophobic
way
to
intimidate
an
immigrant
worker
and
I'm
happy
that
they're
doing
that.
B
But
I
think
one
further
conversation
we
should
have
is
when
you
do
find
that
you've
been
used
in
such
a
way
and
when
this
finding
comes
out
that
you
were
used,
how
do
we
compensate
the
city
of
Boston
and
time
in
the
police
department,
either
by
you
suing
terror,
construction
or
figuring
out
a
way
that
there's
some
criminal
charges
to
be
used
against
the
individual?
That
would
abuse
this
process.
I
know
filing
a
false.
A
You
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Thank
you
have
a
great
day.
Thank
you
and
as
sergeant
active
gallery
and
Commissioner
gross
are,
are
leaving
the
podium.
We
do
have
our
next
panel
of
representatives,
karen
chen
from
the
immigrant
worker
center
collaborative
the
aclu
mr.
jose
martin
paz,
flores
and
diego
lo,
who
will
be
I,
believe
providing
interpretation.
A
few
folks
would
like
to
come
up
to
the
the
forefront
front
table
chairs.
Excuse
me
we're
gonna
start
in
just
a
second.
A
As
we're
switching
over
panels,
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
our
other
colleagues
who
had
been
in
here
council,
Malley
and
Campbell,
as
well
as
Flynn
and
Janie,
who
who
did
have
a
conflict
but
may
be
rejoining
us.
So
you
folks
join
yourself.
I,
don't
know.
If
is
there
a
particular
order?
You
would
like
to
speak
in
or.
I
I
But
we
have
a
slight
request
to
change
plans
just
ever
so
briefly
because
of
some
of
the
things
that
that
were
raised
just
in
this
in
the
past
several
minutes
here
that
just
needs
to
be
explicitly
addressed
and
that,
as
his
lawyer,
I
can
speak
to
directly
and
share
a
bit
of
information
on
that.
The
Commissioner
did
not
feel
that
he
could
share.
So
you
know
I,
think
well.
I'll
just
speak
for
myself.
I
I
I
I
I
can
tell
you
that
he
has
never
had
any
criminal
conviction
other
than
a
minor
motor
vehicle
related
issue
from
Florida
in
2006,
and
that,
apart
from
that,
there
have
been
no
criminal
charges
that
not
have
not
been
promptly
dismissed
or
dropped,
and
that,
although
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
go
way
back,
they
were
dismissed
and
dropped
and
that
those
are
from
2006
or
earlier,
apart
from
again
a
minor
motor
vehicle
charge
from
2010.
That
also
was
dismissed.
I
A
I
And
then,
just
very
briefly
on
the
identity
issue,
his
full
name
is
Jose
Martine,
Paz,
Flores
I
think
we
all
know
that
there
are
many
people
who
use
variations
of
their
names.
There's
people
in
this
room
who
go
by
variations
of
their
names
in
the
in
the
spanish-speaking
world.
People
have
long
names
with
multiple
parts,
I
think.
I
F
A
I
think
councillor
Edwards
earlier
comments
on
the
the
former
employer
and
their
misdeeds
and
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
here
talking
about
how
worried
we
are
about
the
Trump
administration's
immigration
enforcement,
then
here
we
are
relying
on
their
Labor
Department
to
do
something
in
this
case
that
really
brought
this
to
light.
You
know
it's
just
it's
an
unusual
situation
and
it's
troubling
very
troubling
anything
for
the
City
of
Boston.
A
So
obviously
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
Commissioner
Gross
and
his
team
talking
about
their
procedures
and
what
they
feel
can
and
should
be
done,
and
we're
gonna
continue
doing
that,
but
certainly
for
this
panel,
you
know
clarifying
some
of
the
earlier
comments
is
helpful,
hearing
individual
story
and
how
that
has
impacted
mr.
Paz
Flores
and
also
from
other
advocates
here
how
this
body,
both
from
a
phylactery,
better
word
public
relations
standpoint,
can
make
sure
that
the
trust
act
and
its
intent
and
effect
have.
A
You
know
the
spirit
that
we
want
to
see
in
this
city,
but
also
what
needs
to
be
done
to
strengthen
it
from
a
technical
perspective,
from
legislation
from
orders,
whether
it's
through
the
mayor's
or
the
police
commissioner's
office.
That's
that's
what
we
need
to
be
doing
here
to
make
sure
we
address
these
issues.
B
I
recognize
I'm
gonna
have
to
leave
early,
which
is
in
no
way
shape
or
form,
meaning
that
I
cannot
I
am
NOT
interested
in
what
you
have
to
say.
It
is
because
of
back-to-back
meetings
that
are
happening
that
I
will
have
to
leave,
but
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
my
former
colleague
Audrey.
Thank
you
so
much
for
stepping
up
and
legal
services
in
general.
That's
right.
B
I
also
cut
my
teeth
and
learned
how
to
represent
these
workers
at
Greater,
Boston,
Legal
Services,
and
to
my
former
classmate
at
Washington,
College
of
Law
and
American
University
Laura
and
I
graduated
from
the
same
law
school.
It's
kind
of
awesome
to
be
in
this
position
to
have
you
at
the
ACLU
in
a
year
over
at
the
City
Council.
So
of
course,
Diego
and
Karen
we've
been
in
the
trenches
for
some
time,
so
I
I
just
had
to
say
that
before
I'm,
gonna,
listen
and
then
I'm
gonna,
step
out.
Okay,.
A
M
G
G
G
G
M
G
M
A
Thank
you
for
sharing
gracias,
it's
it's
it's!
Why
we're
here?
It's
why
it's
so
important
that
cities,
like
Boston
I,
think
do
whatever
we
can
to
stand
up
to
these
unamerican
and
inhuman
policies
that
are
being
enacted
by
the
Trump
administration.
So
I
know
we're
gonna,
hear
from
some
other
folks
and
I'll
reserve
my
comments,
but
thank
you
for
sharing
your
story
and
for
being
here
and
for
standing
up
for
yourself,
your
family
and
so
many
people
in
similar
situations.
F
M
N
N
M
N
N
N
N
N
M
F
O
Want
to
thank
you,
Martine
and
Rosa
for
sharing
your
story
and
your
courage
to
share
the
story,
because
you
know
we
go
on
with
our
lives
every
day
and
we
forget
what
it's
like.
You
know
in
the
shoes
of
someone
else,
who's
more
vulnerable,
I
think
that
you
know
society
can
only
be
more
humane.
You
can
often
put
ourselves
in
the
shoes
of
someone
else,
who's
more
vulnerable,
so
I
just
want
to
thank
them
for
their
courage
and
to
remind
us,
you
know
what
is
it
like
to
be
human?
O
O
So
there
are
eight
worker
centers
that
are
part
of
the
I
WCC,
for
them
are
in
Boston
that
a
Brazilian
worker
center
Brazilian
women's
group,
the
Chinese
progressive
Association
in
masks,
OSH
and
they're
here
today,
and
also
their
worker
centers
outside
of
Boston.
That
includes
CCT
in
New,
Bedford,
trusty
collaborative,
mature,
West
Linn
worker
center,
even
though
not
all
of
our
worker
centers
are
located
in
Boston,
but
many
are
serve
workers
who
work
in
Boston.
O
O
So
they're
most
rooms
will
be
retaliation
when
they
assert
their
rights,
and
you
know
the
most
recent
attack
on
immigrants.
It
makes
it
even
harder
for
members
and
for
constituents
to
stand
up
for
our
rights,
I,
say
our
rights,
because,
when
workers
stand
up
for
their
rights,
it's
all
of
our
rights,
because
injury
to
one
is
injury
to
all.
O
So
you
know
we
want
to
think
may
awash
in
the
City
Council
being
such
a
strong
support
and
advocate
of
the
immigrants
and
immigrant
community,
and
especially
when
the
federal
government
took
on
extreme
measures
to
attack
immigrants
and
stripping
away
immigrant
rights.
We
are
proud
that
Boston
is
one
of
the
city
expressed
the
strongest
support
for
immigrants,
making
it
one
of
the
most
welcoming
cities
in
the
nation.
It
is
critical
for
Boston
to
continue
to
lead
the
nation
to
show
the
rest
of
country.
O
What
does
it
mean
to
be
a
welcoming
city
and
to
be
a
role
model
that
honors
immigrant
contributions
and
the
critical
role
that
immigrants
play
in
keeping
this
country
running?
So
as
worker
centers,
we
always
told
workers
that
come
to
a
center
that
you
have
to
stand
up
as
sir
right,
whether
is
a
wage,
tough
issue,
workplace
injury,
unfair
policy
or
discrimination.
O
We
assured
them
that
there
will
not
be
immigration
consequences
so,
with
this
incident
with
my
team,
really,
the
trust
between
workers
and
lost
enforcement
has
been
damaged.
It
created
even
more
fear
amongst
workers
who
have
our
about
abusive
employers,
and
they
would
be
even
more
in
fearful
of
seeking
help.
O
So
everyone
is
talking
about.
You
know
the
the
census
2020,
how
it's
important
that
we
need
to
reach
every
pasto
nion,
and
to
do
that,
we
must
be
gain,
but
confidence
of
the
immigrant
community
that
making
sure
that
when
they
stand
up
for
all
rights
for
our
rights,
so
that
they
would
not
be
negative
consequences.
So
we're
here
to
ask
the
City,
Council
law
enforcement
agencies,
the
city
city
departments,
under
Mayor,
wash
to
work
with
us.
O
So
when
the
Boston
Trust
Act
passed
in
2014,
it
was
a
proud
moment
for
our
past
onehans
and
many
of
us
in
the
Asian
American
Asian
American
community.
You
know
who
often
we
have
the
highest
number
undocumented
people,
but
they're
still
living
under
the
shadow.
We
think
that
is
a
hope
that
they
can
assert
their
rights.
They
can
live
their
lives
just
like
everyone
else
and
the
intent
in
the
spirit
of
the
trust
act.
O
We
want
to
ensure
that
the
city
is
very
clear
on
limiting
circumstances
and
type
of
crimes
that
cause
cooperation
with
ice.
No
doubt
that
we
got
law
enforcement
agency
needs
to
enforce
the
laws,
but
we
need
to
know
how
do
we
work
together
so
that
not
there
isn't
more
victim
or
that
people
will
be
victimized
in
more
than
one
ways
and
that
it
could
be.
O
You
know
when,
when
these
type
of
situation
happens,
like
the
incident
Marty
may
be
that
the
a
higher
level
authorization
is
required,
so
that
you
know
so
that
you
know
before
we
act
in
her
others
and
we
can
actually
get
the
community
together,
and
you
know,
counselors
asabi
George
said
that
you
know
the
the
the
the
East
Boston
high
school
police.
They
wouldn't
know
the
students
the
best
and
why
wouldn't
we
rely
on
that?
Instead,
some
kind
of
ice.
You
know
record,
so
we
want
to.
O
We
want
trust
to
bill
so
that
when
incidents
like
this
happens,
we
don't
need
to
go
to
the
press,
will
talk
to
each
other
directly.
I
really
wish
that
the
panel
of
law
enforcement
agencies
do
here.
So
they
can
hear
that
this
is
a
humane
story
and
that
we
are
committed.
The
community
is
committed
to
work
with
the
city
and
all
the
city
departments
to
ensure
everyone's
safety
just
like
they
would,
but
we
need
them
to
work
with
us.
We
need
to
understand
what
is
it
like?
A
P
You
good
afternoon
my
name
is
Laura
Rotella
I
am
a
staff
counsel
on
a
community
advocate
with
the
ACLU
of
Massachusetts
and
I
want
to
first
and
foremost,
thank
of
course,
the
council
for
calling
this
important
meeting.
It's
really
encouraging
to
see
you
create
this
open
space
and
dialogue
where
we
can
really
talk
about
what
has
happened
and
move
forward
to
with
a
view
to
perhaps
updating
the
massive,
the
the
trust
act
in
2014
I,
along
with
immigrants
from
around
the
city,
stood
here
in
a
packed
room.
P
Those
of
you
who
are
here
led
by
councillors
Liam,
will
remember
that
we've
really
packed
this
room
to
talk
about
the
Watson
trust
act
and
that
each
councillor
stood
up
and
talked
about
their
own
immigrant
heritage,
about
the
immigrant
heritage
of
their
constituents
and
about
their
contributions
to
the
city.
Of
course,
nobody
wants
our
police
to
become
agents
of
ice.
P
As
Commissioner
grass
himself
said,
we
are
not
agents
of
ice,
so
I
want
to
talk
about
the
things
that
Boston
is
doing
well
and
the
things
were
sort
of
falling
short
to
protect
the
immigrants
in
our
city.
First,
of
course,
passing
the
trust
act
was
a
pledge
not
to
detain
people
on
behalf
of
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement.
This
was
an
early
commitment
which
is
now
state
law.
Second,
public.
Pronouncements
of
support
from
city
councillors
from
the
commissioners
from
Mayor
Walsh,
have
had
a
positive
impact
in
setting
the
tone.
P
I
would
recall
clearly,
just
days
after
the
Trump
inauguration
or
Mayor
Walsh
offered
this
very
building
in
his
very
office
as
a
refuge
to
those
seeking
protection.
The
citywide
mural
project
entitled
to
immigrants
with
love,
has
been
a
visible
manifestation
of
that
support
and
with
beautiful
art
around
the
city.
The
office
for
our
immigrant
advancement
has
also
provided
necessary
free
resources
to
immigrants
living
in
the
city
and
working
in
the
city.
P
These
are
all
very
important
and
praiseworthy
steps,
but
there's
more
that
Boston
can
do
and
I
wanted
to
talk
about
that
we're
here
today,
because
the
case
of
mr.
puss
Flores
has
raised
some
very
serious
questions
about
the
city's
commitment
to
both
workers
and
immigrant
communities.
How
does
the
city
continue
to
establish
trust
when
its
police
officers
are
used
as
an
instrument
of
harm?
This
case
makes
clear
that
there
is
no
discernible
policy
delineating
when
police
can
collaborate
with
ice.
P
There
seemed
to
be
no
limits
on
when
a
police
officer
can
take
it
upon
themselves
to
call
an
immigration
agent
and
collaborate
in
the
way
that
this
case
makes
clear
and
nothing
from
sergeant.
Detective,
Gallagher
or
Commissioner
grass
really
contradicted
what
the
press
said
that
in
fact
they
work
together
hand-in-hand
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
was
sergeant
detective,
Gallagher
or
somebody
below
him
who
told
ice
where
mr.
Fussell
Otis
was
going
to
be
that
led
him
to
aru's,
essentially
where
he
was
to
be
where
he
was
to
be
arrested.
P
Commissioner
grouse
asked:
what
did
we
do
wrong
and
perhaps
under
the
policy
they
did
nothing
wrong.
Perhaps
that
is
true,
but
I
would
submit
that
that
is
wholly
inconsistent
with
the
statements
about
not
being
agents
of
ice
when
they're
working
together
hand-in-hand
to
find
people
to
deport.
That
is
completely
inconsistent
with
the
spirit
of
the
trust
act
and
with
the
spirit
of
the
statements
that
the
police
department
themselves
have
made.
There
is
no
police
rule
or
regulation
that
would
prohibit
this
from
happening
again,
and
that
is
a
serious
issue
that
we
need
to
look
at.
P
Secondly,
we
know
that
everyday
police
officers
share
information
that
helps
facilitate
the
deportation
of
our
friends
and
neighbors.
Boston
police
officers
routinely
enter
reports
into
their
own
databases
and
Commissioner
cross
said.
Our
databases
are
our
databases,
but
in
fact
a
database
called
cop
linked
public
records
requests
recently
revealed
is
shared
automatically
and
without
limits
with
ice.
All
those
Boston,
Police,
Department
hablen
to
be
clear,
are
shared
immediately
automatically
with
ice,
and
there
seemed
to
be
no
limits,
and
we
can
only
know
about
this
through
a
polygraph
cards
request.
P
Third
police
officer
stationed
at
the
Boston
schools-
and
we
already
heard
about
the
East
Boston
case-
also
collaborate
with
the
deportation
of
our
of
our
young
people
by
just
labeling
them
with
flimsy
evidence
of
gang
activity
and
that
evidence
could
be
as
flimsy
as
wearing
a
specific
color
or
worse.
Yet,
standing
next
to
a
person
who
was
wearing
that
color,
the
point
system
is
deeply
flawed
and
we
know
that
the
gang
database
also
is
shared
with
ice,
the
lawsuit
that
was
mentioned
earlier
today.
It's
simply
a
lawsuit
about
the
records.
P
We
do
not
know
enough
about
that
database
because
we
have
not
seen
the
records
around
that
database.
We
don't
know
how
it
works,
but
we
know
that
it
is
shared
with
ice
somehow,
and
that
brings
me
to
the
last
point.
Well,
first,
I
want
to
say
that
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
both
cop
link
and
the
database
sharing
none
of
this
is
mandatory.
We
do
know
that
there's
some
mandatory
data
sharing
that
happens
when
a
person
is
arrested
and
fingerprinted,
and
that
goes
to
ice.
P
But
the
sharing
of
cop
link
and
our
own
gang
database
is
not
mandated
by
federal
law,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we
have
full
control
of
as
a
city.
Lastly,
the
lack
of
transparency
pertaining
to
these
issues
obstructs
this
council
and
from
the
public
from
really
holding
the
police
department
accountable.
Despite
these
public
statements
of
support,
the
city
has
not
been
forthcoming
about
its
policies
and
practices,
especially
relating
to
the
police.
Because
of
this
outrageous
requests.
P
We
now
know
about
something
called
the
BPD
ice
task
force
and
we
know
more
about
sergeant,
detective
Gallagher's
work,
especially
when
the
ACLU
and
the
Greater
Boston
legal
services
file
an
information
request
under
the
public
records
law,
the
police
departments
response
was
slow
and
incomplete.
It's
been
almost
a
month
that
we
have
still
to
see
a
single
document
relating
to
this
task
force,
so
I
want
to
end
with
just
five
I
think
simple
recommendations
that
echo.
What
have
already
been
said
number
one.
The
city
must
be
transparent
about
any
and
all
collaboration
with
ice.
P
This
first
step
is
a
crucial
show
of
good
faith
and
necessary
for
Bostonians
to
be
able
to
hold
the
city
accountable
number
two.
We
suggest
a
citywide
audit
of
all
departments
to
ask
what
they
are
doing
to
collaborate
with
ice,
how
they're
sharing
information
and
what
steps
they
take
on
a
day
to
day
basis
that
may
seem
innocuous,
but
are
actually
aiding
immigration
agencies
in
their
deportation
efforts.
P
Number
three:
we
need
clear
and
forcible
policies,
curtailing
collaboration
with
ice
and
number
four.
We
need
to
make
sure
that,
once
those
policies
are
enacted
that
they
are
also
subject
to
regular
training
and
lastly,
district
attorney
Rawlins
was
here
earlier
and,
as
we
all
know,
you
know
she
has
this
policy
of
not
of
not
enforcing
fifty
fifteen
different
charges
of
not
prosecuting
fifteen
different
charges.
We
would
suggest
that
the
police
department
has
no
business
arresting
people
on
those
15
charges
that
will
not
later
be
prosecuted.
P
That
is
a
waste
of
resources
because
those
charges
are
going
to
be
dismissed
but
for
immigrants.
Of
course,
those
mere
arrests
have
deep
consequences.
As
we've
seen
anytime,
a
person
is
arrested
because
of
secure
communities.
They
can
be
put
immediately
into
a
deportation
pipeline.
We
would
suggest
that
the
police
department
and
the
city
worked
together
with
DA
Rollins
to
really
take
a
look
at
not
arresting
people
on
those
15
charges
that
won't
later
be
prosecuted
and
closing.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
council
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
P
A
L
J
Thank
You
councillor
Zakim
for
your
leadership
and
it
was
a
wonderful
moment.
I
was
not
on
the
council,
then,
but
of
course
followed
what
the
work
the
work
of
the
council.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
your
continued
leadership
on
this
Thank
You,
of
course,
to
the
advocates
in
the
room
not
just
sort
of
on
the
panel,
but
also
in
the
room
for
the
work
that
you
did
to
even
make
that
happen.
J
I
also
want
to
thank
the
Commissioner
and
in
his
team,
because
they
do
I
think
we
all
recognize
have
a
difficult
task
right
and
ensuring
that
our
communities
are
safe,
that
when
incidents
of
violence
happen,
there
is
an
adequate
and
reasonable
response
from
police
in
certain
communities.
It's
not
easy
to
say
to
protect
and
serve.
We
just
had
a
an
awful
tragic
murder
in
Mattapan
where
I
lived
this
weekend,
so
they
have
a
tough
job.
But
that
being
said,
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity.
J
This
is
an
opportunity
not
to
take
a
defensive
posture,
but
to
say
how
can
we
do
better
we're
always
talking
about?
Even
if
we're
excellent,
we
can
always
do
better
and
government.
Does
better
when
we,
when
we
sort
of
step
into
these
conversations
with
an
open
mind
with
an
ear
towards
listening,
NORs
is
being
reactive,
and
so
to
that
point,
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
sharing
your
story.
J
I
mean
it
was
I'm
finding
myself
taking
deep
breaths
these
days,
because
when
you
share
powerful
stories
like
that,
it
can
also
have
you
almost
trigger
your
own
trauma
or
different
things.
So
I
applaud
your
courage
to
come
here
and
to
share
it
in
a
public
setting
on
the
record
and
I
have
to
say
I,
believe
you
I,
believe
your
story
I
believe
that
what
happened
to
you
is
exactly
what
happened.
It's
concerning
it's
disturbing.
J
It's
upsetting!
There
are
moments
of
frustration,
anger,
a
range
of
emotions,
so
thank
you
for
sharing
and
now
that
we
know
this
story
and
I'm
sure
there
are
more.
The
question
is:
what
are
we
gonna
do
about
it
and
one
thing
I
really
loved
about
this
panel?
Is
you
put
forth
reasonable
and
rational
things
that
we
can
do
in
response?
Every
department
should
be
held
to
a
standard
of
a
transparency,
including
the
council,
as
a
legislative
branch
of
government.
J
We
should
all
be
thinking
about
how
do
we
do
this
audit,
especially
giving
the
climate
and
what's
happening
and
coming
out
of
Washington,
so
I
look
forward
to
working
with
councillors.
They
come
on
that
also
this
idea
of
training.
We
often
ask
our
departments
to
do
a
lot,
but
don't
provide
them
with
the
resources,
the
human
capital
to
do
proper
training
and
so
I
think
that's
a
question.
We
need
to
be
grappling
with,
especially
as
we
receive
the
budget
tomorrow
and
lastly,
I'll
just
say:
we
can't
keep
waiting
or
pushing
the
can
down
the
road.
J
You
know
people
are
waiting
for
us
to
respond
in
a
timely
manner.
It's
unfortunate
that
record
requests
are
taking
so
long,
especially
when
you
have
someone
courageous
enough
to
come
forward
and
share
their
story
and
to
do
it
not
only
for
themselves
but
for
others,
so
I
think
there's
ways
in
which
we
can
push
and
I
look
forward
to
partnering
with
councillors
a
come
in
terms
of
next
steps.
J
J
We
have
you,
know
lawyers
going
down
to
the
border
and
doing
some
really
hard
work
and
sometimes
they're
not
making
it
back
right,
they're
having
trouble
even
coming
back
if
they're,
a
US
citizen,
you
hear
these
stories,
and
so
thank
you
to
the
lawyers
and
into
the
the
advocates
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
day-in
day-out
in
a
very,
very
tough
climate,
appreciate
you
and
so
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
madam
president.
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things
and
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
public
testimony,
but
again,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
for
your
work
every
day
for
sharing
your
personal
stories
that
illuminates
why
this
is
so
important.
You
know
this
hearing
is
not
about
finding
fault
with
the
Boston
Police
Department.
A
It's
about
making
sure
that
the
city
of
Boston
is
not
complicit
in
the
inhumane,
unamerican
xenophobic
actions
of
the
Trump
administration
as
much
as
we
all
may
like
and
want
to
prevent
them
and
stop
them
at
the
national
level.
We
can't
do
that
today
or
tomorrow
someday,
but
what
we
can
do
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
is
make
sure
that
not
on
our
behalf
not
using
our
resources,
our
Police
Department,
our
agencies,
our
tax
dollars.
A
To
do
this,
you
know
Laura,
you
talked
about
when
we
passed
the
trust
Act
five
years
ago,
people
sharing
their
stories
and
their
immigrant
history,
whether
it
was
themselves
parents,
grandparents,
how
people
have
come
here
to
the
city
of
Boston
or
to
this
country,
and
it
is
troubling
more
than
troubling
the
things
that
are
happening.
Your
story
and
I
know
it
happens
every
day
across
this
country
and
in
the
Commonwealth
to
people.
A
Similarly,
situated
is
something
that
should
never
been
in
the
United
States,
but
it's
happening
every
day,
something
that
is
reminiscent
of
stories
from
other
countries
from
the
Nazis
from
other
agencies
and
security
services
that
pull
people
aside
separating
them
from
their
families.
I
mentioned
earlier.
President
Trump
is
purging.
His
Homeland
Security
Department
right
now.
Leadership
because
they're
not
tough
enough,
because
they're
not
cruel
enough,
because
they're
not
evil
enough
two
immigrants
in
our
communities.
A
So
we
can't
stop
them
from
doing
that,
but
we
can
do
what
we
were
going
to
do
and
I
do
intend
to
work
with
my
colleagues
with
Commissioner
Ross
with
the
mayor
on
fixes
and
updates
to
this
trust
act
and
on
policy
and
we're
going
to
continue
this
docket
in
this
hearing.
As
there
is
information
at
Laura,
you
mentioned
information
that
you've
requested
we
filed
for
this
week
in
the
City
Council
hearing
under
the
provisions
of
section
17
f
of
the
General
Laws,
which
requires
the
administration
to
provide
that
information
within
a
week.
A
I
look
forward
to
working
with
my
colleagues
to
pass
that
on
Wednesday
and
to
get
that
information
here
again,
not
to
find
fault
but
to
find
out
what
the
current
practices
are
and
how
we
can
continue
to
move
forward
in
the
spirit
that
we've
all
talked
about
today.
Everyone
who
spoke
today
so
I.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
know.
There
are
folks
who
have
signed
in
to
provide
other
testimony.
You're
certainly
welcome
to
stay
seated
there
or
to
return
to
the
gallery.
A
A
But,
thank
you
again
and-
and
thank
you
for
for
being
here
and
I-
will
now
call
down
in
the
order
that
people
have
signed
in
if
they've
asked
to
testify
and
if
you
can
come
to
either
of
the
podiums
where
a
district
attorney
Rollins
spoke
on
either
side,
we
have
a
mere
under
from
the
mirror
coalition
and
carried
oil,
Kevon
vault
and
Ginny's
anger
Amy.
If
you
want
to
kick
things
off,
I.
Q
Well
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Amy
grinder
and
Thank
You,
councillor
Zakim
and
councillor
Edwards,
who
was
here
previously
the
council
president
and
the
civil
rights
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
today
for
the
Massachusetts
immigrant
and
Refugee
advocacy
coalition.
We
applaud
I'm
gonna
echo.
What
a
lot
of
other
people
said
right.
Q
We
applaud
the
efforts
of
the
Boston
City
Council
and
the
office
of
the
mayor
to
limit
the
participation
of
police
in
immigration
enforcement,
beginning
with
the
passage
of
the
really
groundbreaking
trust
Act
in
2014
and
and
continuing
with
this
hearing
in
this
terrifying
new
era
of
no-holds-barred
immigration
enforcement.
Such
efforts
are
more
critical
than
ever
in
restoring
confidence
in
all
of
our
public
officials,
especially
the
police.
Q
Therefore,
we
share
the
concerns
of
the
committee
about
the
really
distressing
case
that
prompted
this
hearing
and
like
many
others
here,
we
would
like
clarification
about
the
scope
and
the
content
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
policies
governing
their
involvement
in
assisting
ice
with
non
criminal
immigration
matters,
as
has
been
stated,
the
facts
of
the
facts
of
this
case.
As
we
understand
them
are
outside
the
scope
of
the
trust
act
as
currently
written,
which
only
prohibits
police
from
detaining
someone
for
a
civil
immigration
violation
who
would
otherwise
be
free
to
go.
Q
In
any
case,
the
trust
Act
has
been
largely
superseded
by
the
supreme
judicial
courts.
2017
decision
in
Commonwealth
versus
lund,
which
made
clear
that
our
police
do
not
have
this
authority,
but
the
trust
act
as
currently
written
and
has
what
was
just
stated,
offers
no
guidance
limiting
other
kinds
of
police
participation
in
immigration
enforcement,
which
can
include
things
like
notifying
ice
of
a
person's
impending
release
from
police
custody
or,
as
in
this
case,
alerting
ice
to
a
person's
whereabouts.
Q
Who
is
not
in
custody
at
all
for
the
purpose
of
assisting
a
civil
immigration
arrest
instead
of
a
criminal
arrest
for
fraud
or
whatever,
without
clear
and
publicized
limits
for
police
involvement
in
immigration
activities,
members
of
Boston's
immigrant
communities
can't
safely
turn
to
public
officials
for
help
and
they
effectively
lose
access
to
all
the
protections
of
the
law,
protections
from
domestic
abuse
and
other
crimes
from
wage
theft
and
from
dangerously
substandard
housing.
The
list
goes
on
this
harms.
K
Good
afternoon
council
chair
Zakim
council,
president
campbell
and
councillor
asahi
george,
my
name
is
Kerry
Doyle
I've
been
an
immigration
attorney
for
26
years.
I've
worked
both
in
the
nonprofit
sector
and
now
in
practice
with
another
attorney
small
firm
in
Boston,
so
where
I'm,
a
business
owner
in
Boston
and
I'm,
also
resident
of
Boston
as
well.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
hearing.
K
Barring
something
happening,
I've
also
represented
an
individual
whose
husband
turned
her
into
ice
because
she
was
seeking
child
support
and
he
didn't
want
to
pay
child
support
and
he
got
her
deported.
So
it
happens
every
single
day
that
ice
their
enforcement
authorities
are
used
in
retaliation.
We
just
met
with
individuals
from
Homeland
Security
Investigations
on
my
current
client
and
they're
perfectly
aware
that
they're
used
in
this
manner
and
have
no
compunction
about
it
or
concern
about
it
and
Michael's.
K
My
great
concern
is
that
in
this
particular
case,
in
the
end,
I'm
sure,
free
and
other
instances
as
well,
that
we
see
that
that
BPD
is
being
used
by
ice
to
go
after
individuals
who
are
often
being
retaliated
against
through
the
ice
system
and
that
they
they're
becoming
part
of
that
retaliation
and
that
I
think
BPD
needs
to
be
much
more
suspect
and
much
less
involved
in
ice
enforcement
and
providing
information
with
ice
enforcement.
On
the
second
item,
which
is
the
BRIC,
as
you
mentioned,
what's
happening,
what's
happened
frequently
and
I.
K
Think
after
especially
after
9/11,
Police,
Department's
and
and
other
law
enforcement
agencies
suddenly
realized
that
ice
and
Homeland
Security
Investigations
has
this
incredibly
broad
authority.
They
have
so
much
authority
and
power.
They
can
arrest
people
without
probable
cause.
You
know,
without
any,
you
know
real
support
behind
it.
Legal
support
where
other
agencies
can't
do
that
and
so
I
think.
Since
then,
this
cooperation
has
developed,
which
again
in
some
way,
can
be
helpful
because
we
do
need
to
track
actual
terrorism
and
actual
threats
against
our
community,
but
have
also
been
used
against
our
immigrant
population.
K
Immigrant
communities
in
Boston
and
across
the
Commonwealth
and
across
the
country
to
go
to
go
after
these
people
without
proper
legal
authority
without
proper
screening
of
the
information
that's
being
used.
So,
for
example,
there
is
an
unfortunate
incident
that
Commissioner
Gross
talked
about
with
the
individual
that
was
identified
in
brick
as
being
a
gang
member
who
was
released
and
I
work
on
a
committee
of
lawyers
that
were
trying
to
address
these
issues.
The
gang
issues
and
the
problem
is
that
the
the
brick
is
such
a
broad
tool
like
it's
this
huge
tool.
K
That's
used
against
people
in
this
broad
way
and
without
really
proper
information
and
accurate
information
in
the
brick.
So
it's
very
hard
to
tell
who's,
really
a
danger
and
who
is
improperly
accused
and
so
I
have
another
client
who's
now
been
detained
for
two
years.
I
just
got
his
second
remand.
We
have
a
hearing
tomorrow
in
the
immigration
court
on
his
case
and
he's
being
detained
because
of
brick
information
and
when
they
say,
and
so
in
his
case,
for
example,
in
the
brick.
K
It
says
that
he's
a
self-admitted
gang
member,
but
he's
never
admitted
to
anybody
that
he's
a
member
of
a
gang
there's,
no
proof
that
he's
a
member
of
a
gang,
and
so
what
happens
is
data's
put
into
the
brick
and
from
my
understanding,
just
in
meetings
and
some
of
the
work
we've
done,
that
the
BPD
and
other
police
departments
don't
use
the
brick
for
any
real
law-enforcement
reason,
because
the
information
is
so
unreliable.
They
can't
use
it
in
courts
and
they
don't
even
use
it
on
the
streets.
K
K
G
A
H
You
councillor
zackham
for
having
this
hearing
first
of
all,
Thank
You,
council,
president
Campbell
and
council
member
sobby
George.
This
is
very
important,
I'm
glad
to
see
the
other
councillors
we're
here
for
at
least
part
of
it,
including
our
councilor
from
Jamaica
Plain.
Madam
Ali
we're
here
several
of
us
from
Jamaica
Plain
as
part
of
a
group
that
is
very
concerned
about
immigrant
rights
and
advocate
in
various
ways,
including
at
the
State
House
for
the
Safe
Communities
Act
I.
H
Just
in
passing,
having
witnessed
the
hearing
I'm
struck
by
the
fact
that
not
only
did
Commissioner
grass
and
officer
Gallagher
leave,
but
there
was
a
whole
departure
and
mass
of
what
appeared
to
be
supporters.
Other
police
officers
and
weren't
around
here,
the
very
impressive
panel
for
mr.
Paz
Flores
I,
just
can't
understand
why
they
would
be
here
only
to
represent
themselves
and
be
defensive
as
they
appeared
to
be,
without
even
wanting
to
hear
what
other
folks
had
to
say.
If
there's
any
up
tunity
for
professional
training,
this
would
be
it.
H
You
know
it's
not
good,
to
go
to
sensitivity
sessions,
to
learn
about
immigrants.
It's
to
look
at
real
situations
like
this
and
hear
what
people
have
to
say,
because
this
story
that
we
heard
from
mr.
pahst
floor
days
really
contradicted
what
we
heard
from
sergeant
Gallagher.
So
that
was
very
disturbing
that
we
couldn't
have
now
now.
H
Maybe
many
of
those
officers
had
to
get
back
to
protect
us
from
crime,
but
they
were
here
in
mass,
at
least
to
hear
the
Commissioner,
and
so
they
could
have
spent
another
hour
or
so
listening
to
the
rest
of
us.
That
being
said,
there
are
a
couple
lawsuits
going
on
to
get
public
records
I'm
in
dentally
involved
with
both
of
them.
H
My
law
firm
is
representing
trying
to
get
some
of
those
records
on
the
gang
database
from
the
brick
on
another
hat,
that
I
wear
I'm
a
board
member
of
Metta,
which
is
an
advocacy
organization
for
English,
English
language
learners
and
at
a
board
meeting.
Just
recently
I
heard
about
the
East
Boston
incident
with
that
student,
who
is
I
understand
it
was
brought
before
a
deportation
hearing
and
the
ice
agent
said
he
learned
about
this
young
man
from
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
what
turned
out
not
to
be
the
Boston
Police
Department.
H
It
was
a
school
law
enforcement.
Folks,
I
wish
they
had
been
here
to
address
that
incident.
That
seems
really
important
as
well,
because
it
wasn't
that
a
school
law
enforcement
officer
called
directly
to
ice
and
said
you
know
here
is
this
person,
but
it
was
the
incident
report
that
was
filed
apparently
in
brick
that
triggered
that
that
deportation
hearing
of
that
young
man
is
I,
understand
it.
H
So
Lee
Bates,
based
on
a
statement
from
a
another
student
that
he
had
an
argument
with
who
said
he
was
a
gang
member
and
that
kind
of
rumor
the
hearsay
upon
hearsay,
is
what
gets
into
the
brick
and
ends
up
threatening
the
deportation
of
law-abiding
citizens,
including
high
school
students.
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
looking
into
this.
We
on
the
outside
need
to
file
lawsuits
through
public
records.
H
You
on
the
inside
may
be
able
to
get
hold
of
some
of
those
records
or
at
least
ask
the
questions,
if
not
in
these
kinds
of
hearings
in
front
of
the
media,
then
in
private,
as
as
I'm
glad
commissioner
cross
offered
to
meet
with
counselor
Edwards.
She
was
very
impressive
in
asking
her
questions
with
you.
Counselors
I
come
with
you
counselor
sabe
Jorge
with
you
president.
H
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
this
hearing.
This
is
vitally
important
not
only
to
our
immigrant
community
but
to
all
of
us.
This
is
how
we
keep
our
community
safe
by
encouraging
undocumented
people
to
come
forward
and
trust
in
law
enforcement
report
crimes
report
when
they
are
victims,
be
good
witnesses
to
crimes
that
they
see
and
not
have
to
fear
that
they'll
be
vacuumed
up
by
aggressive
ice
law
enforcement.
Thank.
A
A
R
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
voice
our
concerns
and
thank
you
especially
counselors
a
come
for
taking
the
leadership
on
this.
Getting
this
Act
passed
five
years
ago,
and
especially
this
follow-up
hearing
to
see
how
can
we
make
this
act
stronger
and
put
some
more
teeth
into
it?
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
I
have
copies
of
this
statement,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
when
I
first
read
and
I
was
thrilled
to
at
the
courage
of
mr.
R
It
is
a
gulag.
I
have
seen
so
many
and
they're,
mostly
men
detained
for
things
like
going
to
pay
their
child
support
and
being
picked
up,
and
then
they
get
stuck
in
this
gulag
for
weeks
months
and
in
some
cases
years
for
things
like
a
missing
taillight
and
then
perhaps
deported
and
their
wives
and
children
are
then
left
as
mr.
Paz
Flores.
R
That
was
what
was
so
frightening
to
me
about
hearing
from
the
police
today
that
the
context
was
missing,
but
we
are
living
in
a
national
context
which
is
frightening
and
I'm,
proud
that
our
city
has
taken
a
stand
against
this
and
I'm
pleased
that
we're
taking
a
look
at
how
we
can
better
enforce
this
ordinance.
That's
so
important
and
I
just
wanted
to
say,
and
perhaps
counselor
as
sabbee
George
also
saw
I
was
a
Boston
Public
School
teacher
with
undocumented
students
and
I
saw
the
toll
that
it
took
on
them.
R
Knowing
that
they,
even
though
they
know
they
have
a
right
to
an
education
living,
our
immigrant
communities
are
living
in
a
traumatized
state
of
fear.
Many
of
them
they
are
being
terrorized
by
ice
and
I.
Think
that
this
share
and
today
I've
gratified
that
we're
beginning
to
look
into
brick
and
how
the
Boston
Public,
Schools,
police
and
counselor
said.
Yes,
they
are
very
sympathetic
to
students,
but
the
data
that
they
are
sharing
through
brick
is
the
bridge
to
ice,
and
I
am
encouraged
that
you
are
going
to
be
looking
more
closely
into
this.
A
You
so
much.
We
conclude
our
our
testimony
of
my
my
colleagues
at
councilor,
sabe,
George
V
of
a
closing
remarks
or
Council
President
Campbell.
Okay,
then
I
will
close
this
hearing
on
docket
zero
five
one
eight
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
participation
for
your
support
for
being
here.
From
the
perspective
of
this
committee,
there
is
still
more
to
learn
and
to
information
to
gather
on
this
topic.
A
As
I
mentioned,
we
filed
a
17f
request
that
will
be
introduced
at
tomorrow's
council
meeting,
so
we
will
be
having
a
follow-up
hearing
when
that
information
is
presented.
I
also
do
intend
to
provide
to
work
with
my
colleagues
with
the
mayor
of
Commissioner
Grasso,
with
many
of
the
holder's
here
on
updates
amendments.
Whatever
term
we
want
to
use
to
the
Boston
Trust
Act
to
make
sure
that
incidents
has
occurred
with
mr.
A
paws
floors,
whether
it
was
a
one-off
or
whether
it's
happening
frequently,
we
want
to
provide
guidance
to
the
men
and
women
in
the
Boston
Police
Department
I
think
we
share
philosophically
the
same
approach
here,
as
that
was
clear
from
commissioner
gross
and
I
do
want
to
say
again
this
hearing
and
these
proceedings
are
about
moving
forward,
I
think
constructively
safely,
humanely
in
a
way
that,
to
my
mind,
actually
comports
more
with
the
Constitution
in
the
United
States
and
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
than
what's
happening
with
ice
and
with
immigration
enforcement
across
this
country.
Right
now.