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From YouTube: Committee on Ways & Means FY21Budget: Revenue Overview/ Assessing Department on April 13, 2020
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Dockets #0588-0596, FY21Budget: Revenue Overview and the Assessing Department
A
A
I'm
gaveling
this
hearing
of
the
Boston
City
Council
into
session
for
the
record.
My
name
is
kensey
Bock,
the
district,
eight
city,
councilor
and
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Boston
City
Council
Committee
on
ways
and
means
I'm
joined
here
today
by
councillor
Michael,
Flaherty,
at-large,
councillor,
Michelle,
Wu,
at-large
councillor
and
he
says:
sabe
Jorge,
at-large,
council,
president
Kim
Janey
district
7
and
councillor
Matt,
O'malley
district,
6
I.
Imagine
some
of
our
other
colleagues
will
join
us
as
well
just
for
for
folks
watching
at
home.
A
Well,
if
you're
watching
at
home,
you
already
know
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
in
live
streamed
at
Boston
gov,
slash,
City
council
batch
TV.
It
will
be
rebroadcast
on
Comcast
channel
8,
RC
n
channel
82
Verizon
channel
1
964.
A
The
council's
FY
21
budget
review
will
encompass
around
27
hearings
over
roughly
six
weeks
as
well
as
nine
counselor
working
sessions.
So
we
just
had
our
kickoff
of
the
budget
season
this
morning
with
a
overview
from
administration
and
Finance,
and
now
we'll
be
hearing
from
the
assessing
department
and
talking
a
bit
more
about
revenue.
We
strongly
encourage
residents
whether
you
know
your,
whether
you
want
to
do
this
in
live
or
by
sending
in
testimony
to
take
a
moment
to
engage
with
this
process.
A
So
one
of
the
options
is
to
write
to
CCC
WM
at
Boston
gov
and
with
your
written
testimony,
you
can
attach
a
two-minute
video
of
testimony
and
you
can
find
on
our
website
ways
to
do
that.
There's
a
forum
at
or
you
can
attend.
One
of
these
virtual
hearings
over
zum-zum
link
is
attached
to
a
public
hearing
notice
and
we
will
let
folks
in
from
the
waiting
room
to
testify
at
the
end
of
each
hearing,
the
we
will
ask
everybody
to
state
your
name
and
residents
and
keep
your
comments
to
a
few
minutes.
A
A
and
you
can
also
informally
tweet
us.
Your
questions
using
the
hashtag
BOS
budget
loss
budget
and
members
of
my
staff
will
be
monitoring
that
it's
not
a
formal
form
of
a
submitting
testimony
and
but
we'll
definitely
be
watching
that
and
finally,
more
information
on
the
whole
budget
process.
For
the
council
on
how
to
testify,
you
can
find
at
boston,
gov,
slash,
counsel,
FY,
21
budget
and
the
city's
proposed
budget
itself.
You
can
find
it
budget
dot,
boston,
gov.
A
So
with
that,
let's
move
to
today's
hearing.
So
today's
hearing
is
on
dockets
zero.
Five,
eight
eight
dash
zero
five
nine
Oh
orders
for
the
FY
21
operating
budget,
including
annual
appropriations
for
departmental
operations
for
the
school
department
and
for
other
post-employment
benefits,
dockets
zero.
Five,
nine
one.
Two:
zero
five:
nine
and
two
orders
for
capital
fund
transfer
appropriations
and
docket
zero:
five,
nine,
three:
two:
zero:
five:
nine
six
quarters
to
the
capital
budget,
including
loan
orders
and
lease
purchase
agreements.
A
So
that's
those
are
the
docket
numbers
for
all
of
the
budget,
related
dockets
that
will
be
considering
over
the
next
couple
of
months.
Our
hearing
today
is
focused
on
revenue
and
assessing,
specifically,
we
are
joined
by
the
city's
Commissioner
for
the
assessing
Department
Nick
iron
Ella
and
the
the
I
guess.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
year
for
record.
My
name
is
Nick
Aaron
Ella
and
the
Commissioner
of
assessing
for
the
City
of
Boston
I'm.
Here
to
a
to
present
the
fiscal
year,
2021
budget
recommendations
for
the
assessing
department.
The
department
is
responsible
for
maintaining
ownership
data
and
determining
the
fair
cash
value
of
over
a
hundred.
Eighty
thousand
real
estate
and
personal
property
accounts
every
disco
year.
Twenty
we
generated
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars
in
revenues
for
the
city
from
those
property
taxes
alone.
B
B
That's
upcoming
year
is
also
a
recertification
year
with
the
Department
of
Revenue
that
comes
with
heightened
standards
and
requirements
that
are
placed
on
the
department
recertification.
So
every
year
we
are,
we,
our
values
are
certified
by
the
Department
of
Revenue.
Recertification
is
a
special
process.
It
used
to
happen
every
three
years.
B
There
were
some
changes
to
that
timeline
in
the
Commonwealth
statutes,
and
so
the
last
one
that
we
had
was
in
fiscal
year
2016,
so
that
that
is
quite
an
undertaking
that
we
have
ahead
of
us:
we're
projecting
2.6
billion
dollars
in
property
tax
revenue
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
That
level
will
be
at
the
proposition
two
and
a
half
limit,
and
that
has
been
seized
practice
since
proposition
two
and
a
half
went
into
effect
in
1982,
and
this
is
projected
to
be
72
percent
of
the
overall
budget
for
the
city.
B
The
department
is
very
concerned
with
accuracy
levels
and
proactively
addressing
concerns
and
taxpayers.
That's
pretty
much.
Our
main
mission
is
to
make
sure
that
games
are
right
and
then
get
that
information
out
to
people,
so
they
understand
where
I
values
are
coming
from.
One
of
the
chimes
is
that
excuse
me
Lundy
challenges
we
paste
this
based
is
past.
Fiscal
year
was
converting
to
a
new
software
system
for
our
valuation
modeling
and
data
collection
that
went
well.
B
Thankfully,
it
was
a
large-scale
project,
as
I
said,
we
have
over
180,000
parcels
and
that
we're
battling
in
a
mass
appraisal
methodology.
We
had
that
system
conversion
approved
by
the
Department
of
Revenue.
We
had
our
value
certified
and
then
this
year
we
received
less
than
1300
abatement
applications
off
of
that
new
evaluation
system.
B
A
Thank
You,
commissioner
I
guess
if
we
could
start
with
you
reference
the
fact
that
it's
a
revaluation
year
and
I
I'm
curious
to
know
what
that
what
that
process
usually
looks
like
mechanically
and
how
the
mechanics
of
that
process
can
be
affected
by
this
current
situation.
So
as
an
untutored
person,
you
know
my
first
thoughts
would
be.
A
You
know,
first
of
all,
that
the
question
having
Assessors
go
out
and
about
might
be
impacted
by
our
public
health
situation,
and
then
you
know,
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
you
all
use
comps
in
that
process,
but
the
question
of
what
to
do
when
a
real
estate
market
has
stalled
with
your
kind
of
comps
aspect
of
the
process
is
something
I'm
curious
about
so
I'll
just
lead
off
with
that
question
for
now
and
then
start
recognizing.
My
colleagues.
B
Those
are
two
excellent
questions.
I
definitely
have
concern.
A
large
part
of
our
maintenance
is
sending
us
estimates
of
the
field,
and
you
know
in
the
current
environment
and
not
knowing
how
long
this
is
going
to
last
that
we're
trying
to
have
social,
distancing
and
have
fewer
people
out
and
about
that
is
going
to
become
harder
and
harder
for
us
to
meet
the
standard
requirements
that
we
have
to
to
say
that
we've
been
looking
at
all
these
properties.
B
I
intend
to
have
conversations
with
the
Department
of
Revenue
about
ways
to
address
that
through
technology
we
were
lucky
enough
to
implement
another
new
software
program
last
year
that
it's
kind
of
a
drive
by
system.
It's
a
little
similar
to
using
Google
Streetview,
in
which
we
send
around
cars
with
cameras
to
on
all
the
city
streets,
it's
more
comprehensive
than
Google
Street
View.
B
So,
when
you're
looking
at
that
imaging
system
you
can
kind
of
scroll
up
and
down,
you
can
use
it
to
measure
the
exteriors
and
properties
because
they
use
a
radar
system,
lidar
speaking
and
laser
system
when
they're
taking
the
photos.
So
hopefully
we
can
kind
of
leverage
that
system
and
get
the
department
revenue
to
give
us
give
us
a
little
leeway
there.
B
Your
second
question
about
cops
cops
are
a
big
part
of
our
model.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
helpful
for
this
upcoming
budget
cycle
is
the
timeline
on
which
property
taxes
are
assessed
so
for
fiscal
year
2021.
The
evaluation
date
that
we
are
looking
at
is
January
1st
2020,
and
so
that
uses
calendar
year.
B
2019
transaction
data
so
I
this
morning,
Justin
and
Emma
might
have
mentioned
that
the
concern
about
market
transactions,
kind
of
impacting
property
values
is
not
as
much
of
a
fiscal
year
21
concern
as
it
is
a
fiscal
year
2022,
which
is
not
to
say
that
it's
not
concerned.
It's
definitely
a
large
concern.
If
we
don't
have
enough
transaction
data,
it's
gonna
be
a
problem.
It's
just.
It's
not
a
21
problem
to
22
problem.
A
Thank
you
so
much
well.
Let
me
jump
right
into
recognizing
colleagues
for
questions
and
I
should
say:
we've
also
been
joined
by
a
counselor
on
Jack
Campbell
from
district
4
councillor
Ricardo
Roya
from
district
5,
counselor
Julia,
Makia
at-large
and
councillor
Frank
Baker
from
district
3.
So
but
I'll
start
out
by
recognizing
councillor
Michael
Flaherty.
If
you
have
any
questions
with
that,
counselor
woo.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
good
afternoon
Nick.
It's
good
to
see.
You
I
appreciate
your
responsiveness
since
taking
over
as
the
city's
Assessor
and
even
super
responsive
to
to
me
and
my
staff,
as
well
as
to
the
council,
so
look
forward
to
working
through
this
budget
with
you,
your
first
budget
on
the
city
Boston,
so
I
am
so
welcome
and
invest.
A
lot.
D
B
You
know
one
of
the
really
nice
things
about
property
taxes
in
the
City
of
Boston,
in
understanding
that
no
one
likes
taxes,
no
one
is
excited
about
paying
taxes
and,
for
the
most
part,
I
think
that
the
vast
majority
of
people
kind
of
feel
like
any
level
of
taxes
they
prefer
to
be
lower.
But
that
being
said
with
our
residential
exemption,
with
the
shift
that
we
have
shifting
residential
burden
on
to
commercial
property,
we
have
comparatively
very
affordable
and
low
tax
bills
compared
to
surrounding
areas
of
the
of
the
Commonwealth.
B
Those
measures
are
the
kinds
of
measures
that
make
it
easier
for
people
to
weather
this
kind
of
storm
and
those
will
hopefully
be
a
big
help.
It's
the
help
of
consistency
and
your
point
about
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
forward.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
what
kind
of
people
and
businesses
be
able
to
and
for
the
future
is
to
know
what
kind
of
fixed
costs
are
and
to
an
extent.
That
is
what
property
taxes
are.
B
D
Clearly,
we
have
a
significant
portion
of
a
population
that
will
be
devastated,
but
for
some
others,
city
employees,
state
employees,
Massport
MBTA,
our
public
health
officials,
they're,
not
missing
a
beat
in
terms
of
they're
gonna,
continue
to
get
a
check.
A
couple
of
the
fact
that
in
some
instances
some
folks
are
are
getting
time
in
half
and
getting
all
the
time
they're
getting
bonus
time.
So
this
is
gonna
impact
the
bill
differently,
what
I'm
suggesting
and
maybe
it's
through
the
assessing
Department.
D
If
people
have
the
ability
to
pay,
if
they
have
the
ability
to
pay
their
rent,
if
they
have
the
ability
to
pay
their
mortgage,
if
they
have
their
ability
to
pay
the
property
tax,
that
is
essential,
particularly
in
your
us
space
in
in
in
in
balancing
predictability
with
the
current
crisis.
In
order
to
move
us
forward
and
to
give
our
banks
in
our
insurance
companies
the
ability
to
do
it,
they
need
to
do
to
to
be
able
to
lend
in
check.
However,
folks
that
need
it
the
most.
D
We
really
need
to
implore
those
that
don't
have
that
this.
This
chemic
hasn't
impacted
them
financially.
We
need
them
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
not
put
themselves
in
the
category
of
you
know
of
delaying
the
rent
and
delaying
the
mortgage
and
delaying
the
property
tax
payments.
So
I'd
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
ones
abut.
We
should
be
putting
means-test.
D
We
should
be
putting
ability
to
pay
tests
on
all
of
these
policies
that
will
eventually
help
our
city
be
able
to
get
out
from
underneath
this
and
to
get
our
economy
back
on
track
would
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
ability
to
pay
versus
lumping
everybody
in
in
providing
coverage.
I
guess
for
policy
when
they
have
the
ability
to
pay.
B
So
that's
an
excellent
point.
I
think
one
of
the
tricks
with
trainings
for
the
means
test
for
ability
to
pay
is
that
these
things
can
be
really
complicated
to
kind
of
implement
quickly,
and
so,
if
you're,
looking
for
quick
answers,
which
I
think
kind
of
happens,
when
you
have
this
kind
of
immediate
crisis
that
we've
been
in,
then
the
fastest
way
to
implement
a
quick
solution
is
to
have
it
apply
to
everyone.
B
But
if
you're
looking
for
kind
of
a
longer-term
solution,
the
longer-term
program,
then
that's
the
kind
of
thing
where
you
can
kind
of
take
some
time
in
deciding
how
you
want
to
implement
it
best
and
kind
of
work
through
scenarios
of
who
might
be
impacted
depending
on
what
the
test
is
that
you
create
I,
know.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
reviewing
the
recent
legislation
that
was
passed
that
extended
the
ability
for
the
city
to
extend
the
payment
date.
It
also
extended
it
did.
B
It
did
a
couple
of
things
that
the
mayor
signed
through
executive
order
and
he
you
signed
the
maximum
allowed
underneath
the
statutory
change
underneath
the
new
Act.
The
first
thing
that
it
did
was
it
moved
the
exemption
deadline
for
residential
and
personal
exemptions,
so
that
was
an
April
1st
deadline
and
the
mayor
extended
that
to
June
1st
that's
two
extra
months.
That's
something!
B
The
second
thing
that
was
in
that
legislation
that
the
mayor
enacted,
but
this
executive
order
was
moving.
The
fourth
quarter
real
estate
tax
bill
day
a
month
from
May
1st
to
June
1st,
and
that
was
something
that
that
definitely
has
an
impact
on
the
city
and
has
an
impact
on
our
revenue,
but
also
provides
some
some
relief
and
the
fact
that
didn't
have
a
means
test
in
it
meant
that
we
didn't
get
there.
We
won't
get
bogged
down
and
trying
to
figure
out
who
qualifies
and
who
doesn't.
B
It's
also
a
way
for
the
sage
kind
of
provide
clear
information
out
to
the
world
of
like
hey.
This
just
applies
to
everybody,
we're
not
going
to
make
it
go
through
this
whole
process
of
applications
or
doing
income.
It's
just
everybody
gets
an
extra
month
and
then
the
third
thing
that
kicked
in
with
that
executive
order
was
there
was
an
option
for
any
tax
bills
like
motor
vehicle
excise.
E
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
so
much,
commissioner
I
knew
councillor.
Clarity
was
gonna.
Ask
that
so
thank
you
to
my
colleague
as
well
and
I.
Think
predictably
I'm
gonna
ask
what
folks
might
guess
that
I
was
going
to
ask
which
is
around
the
for
the
property
tax
deferral.
You
know
we
have
a
hearing
order
on
the
books
and
work
with
my
colleagues,
our
chair
here,
as
well
as
proper
Edwards,
to
find
a
time
that
works
to
talk
more
detail
about
it,
but
just
generally
curious
to
get
your
thoughts
on
how
that
process
would
work.
E
Let's
say
there
is
an
opportunity
or
there's
a
determination.
Then
it
makes
sense
to
offer
even
more
flexibility
for
a
targeted
group
of
property
tax
owners
to
defer
even
further
than
what
has
already
been
established.
What
would
that
mean
logistically
for
your
office,
and
you
know
any
any
other
kind
of
big
picture
considerations
around
that.
C
B
If
what
you're
thinking
of
is
kind
of
a
means-tested
program
like
councillor
clarity
was
was
mentioning
logistically,
if
you
implement
something
along
those
lines
and
to
be
honest,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
end
up
being
my
department
or
not,
it
would
kind
of
depend
on
how
it
was
set
up,
who
wouldn't
minister
it.
But
for
the
moment,
let's
just
assume
it's
my
department
not
like
know
how
I
would
I
would
address
it.
B
Well,
that's
kind
of
a
might
might
be
a
little
bit
of
a
trick
in
that
where
it
seems
like
delaying
might
have
value,
but
the
person
isn't
paying
the
property
taxes
directly
and
the
bank
is
going
to
make
them
give
them
their
money.
No
matter
what
you're
you're
not
actually
delaying
any
checks
that
people
have
to
cut.
E
Yeah
along
those
lines,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
conversation
that
we're
having
is
wider
than
just
residential
property
owners
as
well,
and
that
we
know,
for
example,
a
lot
of
small
business
owners
in
this
art.
Yes,
a
lot
of
small
business
owners
in
the
city
are
tenants
of
their
commercial
spaces
and
the
lease
arrangements
will
have
the
property
taxes
flowing
down
to
the
tenant.
So
many
businesses
for
most
right
now,
restaurants
and
others
that
have
been
either
shut
down
altogether
or
are
operating
in
a
much
reduced
way.
B
B
But
if
you
start
to
kind
of
work
through
the
math
of
where
that
benefit
accrues,
it
might
just
be
that
the
property
owner
gets
to
keep
their
money
in
there
and
that's
gonna
count.
A
little
longer
doesn't
actually
impact
the
schedule
for
the
end
business
and
the
city's
revenue
gets
delayed,
not
that
that's
good
or
bad.
It's
just
trying
to
figure
out
who's
going
to
benefit
from
different
policies.
No.
E
Absolutely
and
there's
certainly
lots
to
weigh
on
that.
My
final
question
to
switching
gears
a
little
bit.
Could
you
just
summarize
for
us
what
your
office
has
been
hearing
from
folks?
Are
you
getting
a
flurry
of
outreach
in
certain
areas?
Is
it
just?
Is
it
more
confusion
about
how
to
you
know
what
the
new
timeframes
are
and
how
what
people
can
do?
Is
it
folks
reaching
out
saying
they're
not
able
to
pay
what
should
they
do?
Just
let
us
know
kind
of
your
constituent
facing
side.
What
are
you
doing?
Yeah.
B
There
have
been
some
people
that
have
been
appreciative
of
the
extensions
in
the
exemption
applications,
but
for
the
most
part,
we
haven't
gotten
a
lot
of
contact
from
individual
homeowners
about
the
property
tax
extension
and
that
that
might
honestly
just
be
that
the
original
due
date
was
May
1st
and
you
haven't
kind
of
gotten
there.
Yet
yeah.
E
A
You
councillor
Wu
I
do
want
to
note
that
we
were
joined
a
while
back
by
councillor
Edwards
of
district
1
and
councillor
Breeden
of
district
9.
Next
recognizing
councillor
asabi
George
at
large
to
be
followed
by
councillor
Kim
Janey.
G
Thank
You
chairman
Bach
and
Thank
You
Nick
for
being
with
us
this
afternoon.
I
am
I,
think
you
referenced
it
in
some
of
your
statements
earlier
around
that
computer
assisted
mass
appraisal
that
cama
and
we
talked
about
it
last
year
in
our
hearing,
so
I'm
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
address
the
shifts
and
roles
and
staffing
that
is
a
occurred
with
that
change.
B
Sure
so
yep
we
had
so
cama
computer
assisted
mass
appraisal.
It's
kind
of
a
generic
name
for
any
software,
so
like
a
word
processor
is
a
generic
name
for
Microsoft,
Word
or
Google
Docs.
So
we
had
one
Canela
provider
that
we
were
using
for
many
years,
I
think
since
around
2000,
and
then
we
switched
over
to
a
new
provider
after
a
bidding
process,
and
we
implemented
that
kind
of
over
the
course
of
about
the
past
year
and
a
half.
B
Basically
we're
taking
our
entire
database
out
of
one
kind
of
program
and
shoving
it
into
another
program
and
the
two
programs
don't
really
talk
well
with
each
other,
it's
again
to
kind
of
analogize
to
word
processing
it's
better
now,
but
there
used
to
be
times
where
you
would
take
a
document.
Microsoft
Word
and
you
don't
fade
up
another
program
and
things
look
kind
of
screwy
and
the
formatting
doesn't
match
over.
So
it's
it's
similar
kind
of
problems
to
that
that
we
were
kind
of
going
through
and
figuring
out,
bugs
and
kind
of
squashing.
B
The
staffing
changes
to
the
extent
there
would
be
any
have
not
been
recognized
yet
for
that
process.
We're
still
doing
a
lot
of
testing
we're
very
happy
with
how
values
came
out
last
year
and
how
the
program
performs,
but
we'd
still
like
it
to
perform
a
little
better
and
so
we're
going
back
and
forth
with
the
vendor
to
kind
of
make
tweaks.
So
it's
more
usable
for
us
on
a
day
to
day
basis.
G
Great
thank
you
for
that
and
then
in
your
in
your
the
changes
in
your
budget
over
the
last
few
fiscal
years,
there's
been
a
change
in
some
of
the
contract
services
between
year-over-year,
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
speak
to
the
new
recommended
expenditure
for
this
fiscal
year
21
compared
to
last
year,.
B
Sure
so,
I
think
a
lot
of
that
money
is
related
to
our
recertification.
The
the
increase
that
you're
seeing
there,
so
we
have
had
over
over
the
past
I
want
to
say
two
years,
we've
had
a
lot
of
experience
leave
the
department,
mostly
through
retirement
kind
of
an
aging
Department,
and
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
replace
that
decade.
20
years
30
years
worth
of
experience
from
employee
goes,
and
so
we've
been
shifting
to.
B
G
You
for
that
and
then
I'm
just
very
quickly.
I
know
we'll
talk
a
lot
about
it
over
the
course
of
this
budget
cycle,
but
the
pilot,
the
payment,
moved
taxes
and
I'm
particularly
grateful
for
our
universities,
who
have
stepped
up
with
some
housing
resources
amid
this
Korona
pandemic.
Are
you
at
the
table
sort
of
measuring
the
contributions
those
universities
are
giving
and
sort
of
acquainting
it
with
the
financial
obligation?
A
Thank
you,
Thank
You
councillor,
savvy
George
I'm
next
I
want
to
recognize
councillor.
Excellent,
has
also
joined
us
from
district
2.
Next
up
is
Council
President,
Kim
Janey
to
be
compelled
by
councillor
Matt
O'malley
and
then
councillor,
Ricardo
Roy.
H
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair
and
thank
you.
Nick
I'm,
just
a
couple
of
questions,
one,
the
2.6
billion
dollars,
I!
Guess
it's
in
revenue
is
the
property
tax.
I
remain
concerned
that
so
much
of
our
our
city's
budget
is
we
lined
upon
property
tax,
72
percent
just
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
questions
that
I
heard
from
my
colleague
around
pilot.
That
revenue,
however,
is
just
still
based
on
2009,
assess
property
values.
Is
that
correct.
H
The
universities
and
hospitals,
and
very
good
to
hear
folks
stepping
up
and
being
good
neighbors
during
this
crisis,
but
when
we
have
our
conversations
around
Pilate
and
whether
or
not
they
are
being
good
neighbors
with
their
voluntary
contributions,
we
often
note
that
the
assessed
values
that
were
even
asking
these
requests
are
based
on
old
values
in
the
city
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
clear.
When
we
talk
about
revenue
coming
in
this
2.6
billion
dollars
through
property
tax,
are
we
looking
at
current
values?
Are
we
looking
at
old
values?
H
I,
look
at
one
of
the
earlier
slides
from
our
earlier
hearing
and
FY
21.
It
looked
like
the
new
growth
was
65
I,
don't
know.
If
you
have
that
slide
up.
It
is
page
7.
I
know
you
didn't
have
a
presentation
here,
but
it
looked
at
the
property
tax,
new
growth
and
pretty
much
from
FY
20.
It
was
99
and
now
FY
21
is
projected
at
65
and
I
just
wondered.
If
you
could
talk
about
what
that
dip
is.
B
Sure
so
I
think
that
so
I
think
it's
important
when
we're
kind
of
projecting
where
new
growth
is
going
to
be
that
we
do
it
and
conservative
manner
and
I
think
that's
where
budget
was
coming
from.
In
this
instance.
A
lot
of
the
information
to
kind
of-
let
us
figure
out
where
that
final
number
is
going
to
be
is,
is
a
big
part
of
kind
of
what
my
department
does
over
the
next
five
six
months.
B
It
is
work
to
kind
of
nail
down
where
that
number
is
and
what
value
should
be,
and
especially
for
new
growth,
which
is
primarily
new
construction,
new
acquisitions
from
property
and
property
that
goes
from
exempt
to
taxable
so,
like
expiring,
tax
incentive
agreements.
I
know
last
year,
in
that
99
million
number,
there
was
20
million
dollars
from
personal
property
value
that
it's
extremely
hard
to
kind
of
predict
where
that's
gonna
go
year
to
year.
So
that's
businesses,
businesses,
making
investments
and
buying
new
thanks
when.
H
He
asked
a
question
related
to
that,
so
also
in
the
slide.
Deck
and
I
know
you
don't
have
it
here,
but
there
was.
We
saw
that
there
was
an
increase
of
7%
from
FY
20
to
21
in
the
revenue
for
property,
tax
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
can
speak
to
how
much
of
that
was
new
construction
in
terms
of
just
getting
new
properties
on
the
tax
rolls
versus
property
values
going
up
and
then
I
had
another
question.
H
Let
me
just
get
it
in,
because
I
feel
like
I
might
be
running
short
on
time,
I'm
wondering
if
your
department
has
a
sense
of
how
many
property
owners
are
paying
their
property
tax
through
an
escrow
account
with
their
mortgage
lender
first
is
directly
to
the
city,
so
one
just
looking
at
that.
7%
increase
that
we
stopped
from
fiscal
year,
20
to
21
in
terms
of
property
revenue
coming
in
from
property
tax.
H
B
No
no
worries
so
to
answer
the
second
question.
First
in
terms
of
how
many
people
are
paying
through
in
escrow,
as
opposed
to
paying
directly.
Unfortunately,
that
is
information
that
I
I
don't
have
that
the
department
that
handles
then
is
actually
are
collecting
Department,
that
they're,
collecting
and
Treasuries
is
where
the
money
kind
of
goes
to
people
like
take
care
of
the
bills.
H
It's
important
with
this
question
as
we
try
to
offer
relief,
but
obviously
we
still
need
revenue
very
important
revenue.
It's
represent
72%
of
our
city's
budget
to
continue
to
come
in
and
so
finding
that
right
balance
of
offering
relief
to
people,
but
also
understanding.
We
certainly
still
need
a
revenue
to
come
in,
but
anyway,
thank
you
so
much
if
you
could
get
to
the
second.
The
first
question.
B
H
From
20
to
21
it's
pretty
early
in
the
slide
deck
that
from
the
hearing
we
just
had
well,
we
we
look
at
the
property
tax
and
it
compares
FY
20
to
21,
and
we
see
the
comparison
is
an
7%
increase.
Unlike
the
excise
tax,
what
you
see
is
a
decrease
from
20
to
21,
looking
from
at
21
compared
to
20,
so
I
have
the
screen
up.
I'm,
not
gonna,
bother
to
try
to
share
it.
If
you
don't
have
it
now,
we
can
figure
it
out.
I.
Think
I
can.
B
Give
you
a
kind
of
general
overview
without
speaking
to
the
numbers:
cuz
I.
Don't
I,
don't
have
that
data
right
in
front
of
me,
but
there's
kind
of
two
drivers
in
new
property
tax
revenue
and
it's
it's
related
to
our
overall
levy.
So
the
there's,
this
constitutional
change
that
impacted
property
taxes
and
put
proposition
two
in
half
in
a
place
in
there.
There
are
a
whole
bunch
of
laws
that
kind
of
fall
under
what
proposition
two
and
a
half
means.
B
If
you
want
to
have
the
budget
be
over
a
certain
amount
and
the
two
and
a
half
is
what
kind
of
limits
that
that
initial
barrier
and
the
reason
you
growth
doesn't
factor
into.
That
is
because,
since
it's
a
new
thing
that
it's
generating
revenue
and
not
the
kind
of
sustained
tax
base,
it's
kind
of
a
way
to
acknowledge
that
the
world
is
changing.
And
it's
not
just
the
appreciation
of
property
values
that
are
already
pre-existing.
A
Great
Thank
You,
commissioner,
and
thank
you
council
president
I
I,
think
that,
in
terms
of
Justin's
slide
that
the
65
million
new
growth
makes
up
about
40%
of
the
161
that
he
was
projecting.
So
it
looks
like
at
least
in
the
slides
that
Justin
starett
shared
with
us.
It
was
sort
of
a
60/40
split,
sixty
percent
year-on-year
growth,
forty
percent
new
growth
and
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
to
the
council
president's
point.
I
mean
it
may
be,
depending
on
what
we
see
happen
after
June
1st
and
all
of
it.
A
We
may
need
in
this
process,
president
Janey
to
have
collecting
Treasury
come
in
and
talk
about
receipts
and
what
the
sort
of
trends
on
that
are
given
that
it's
not
assessing
space.
But
thank
you
for
those
questions.
Next
I'm
gonna
recognize
councillor
Matt
O'malley,
to
be
followed
by
councillor
Arroyo
and
then
councillor
Mejia,
councillor,
Melia,
muted,.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Commission
welcome.
Is
you
haven't
been
grilled
by
all
of
us
in
one
place?
My
background,
hopefully,
will
put
you
a
little
more
at
ease
for
what
you're
missing
out.
We
look
forward
to
doing
it
again
at
first
and
soon
to
follow
up
on
the
last
question
from
the
council
president
in
the
chair,
as
it
relates
to
new
growth,
I
guess
that
was
sort
of
the
line
of
questioning
with
the
earlier
budget
hearing.
I
You
know
the
65
million
dollar
budget
this
year
actually
seems
as
though
it's
probably
more
on
target,
but
what
we've
done
in
years
past
last
year,
we
actually
did
right
around
65
million
and
of
course
the
receipts
came
in
about
ninety
nine
million.
So
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is:
do
you
think
sixty
five
of
a
new
growth
number
and
a
lot
of
our
growth
in
our
budget
is
based
on
that
is
conservative
enough
to
recognize
the
economic
uncertainty
that
lays
ahead.
B
Afternoon,
councillor
I
do
appreciate
the
background.
That's
some
lovely
context
more
more
like
regular
here.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
want
to
say.
Yes,
I
am
comfortable
with
that
65
million
number
for
the
upcoming
year.
A
lot
of
that
is
the
fact
that
that
is
really
looking
at
kind
of
the
world
has
a
January
1st
and
the
local
has
a
January
1st
is
that
things
were
under
construction.
We're
moving
forward
projects,
we're
continuing
I,
definitely
have
concerns
about
what
is
happening.
I
No
III
agree
on
all
those
points.
Secondly,
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
cheap
and
ER
director
starett,
but
it
our
earlier
overview
hearing
the
question
many
of
us
asked,
including
myself,
was
on
the
deferral
or
the
one-month
deferral
for
the
fourth-quarter
property
tax
and
the
concern
that
should
that
grow
will
that
represent
a
deficit
in
revenue.
I
One
of
the
the
prior
administration
folks
said
that
we
averaged
about
99
percent
of
our
property
taxes,
a
payment
which
is
phenomenal,
I
think
that's
probably
as
good
as
it's
going
to
get
do
you
know,
given
the
fact
that
two
kinds
of
priorities
point
so
many
property
taxes,
including
mine,
come
directly
out
of
my
mortgage
payment.
The
escrow
account
pays
directly
to
the
city.
Do
you
know
what
our
percentage
of
collection
is
at
this
point
for
the
fourth
quarter,.
B
B
J
B
We're
still
kind
of
a
couple
of
weeks
away
from
the
east
standard
due
date.
Never
any
extension
that
just
got
put
into
place.
I
was
having
some
conversations
and
I
know
that
people
have
been
paying
some
things.
Escrow
accounts
I
believe
happened
paying,
but
you
know
I
just
don't
know
how
much
compared
to
ignore.
Okay.
I
Fair
enough,
we'll
save
that
for
group,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
was
talked
about
is
pilot.
Payments
obviously
have
gone
up.
I.
Think
most
of
my
colleagues
and
I
believe
that
we
need
to
have
a
better
evaluation
of
that
tax
exempt
property
so
that
that
number
grows
even
higher.
Yet
there
was
a
121
ABC
agreement,
which
is
something
that
I
wasn't
too
familiar
with
it's
my
understanding
from
the
earlier
budget
airing
it's.
These
are
voluntary
agreements
that
come
is.
B
Yeah
so
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
about
kind
of
different
programs
that
are
related
to
taxes,
because
they
all
can
tend
to
have
the
same
name
by
statute.
It's
very,
very
frustrating,
and
so
a
lot
of
times
looks
like
pilots
I'm
talking
about
the
voluntary
pilots,
the
universities,
hospitals,
cultural
institutions,
that
we
ask
for
money
based
on
task
force,
recommendations
and
they
provide
what
they
what
they
can
there's
another
whole
category
of
revenue
that
are
actual
contractual,
contractually
binding
agreements,
and
so
those
are
the
ones
we
own.
A
agreements,
121
B
agreements.
B
B
B
It's
got
a
whole
bunch
of
Hoops.
They
have
to
jump
through
to
get
this
Gator
one
to
Internet
Corporation
and
there
are
a
whole
bunch
of
different
elements,
but,
and
it
allows
for
them
to
have
kind
of
this
special
review
process
with
an
EP
da,
and
it
also
allows
for
the
potential
to
enter
into
a
taxing
brief.
Instead
of
paying
normal
taxes
and.
I
B
B
So
when
that
contract
terminates,
that
project
becomes
taxable
under
regular
taxes
and
then
that
new
amount
of
regular
taxes
is
counted
as
you
go,
you've
been
no
it's
an
old
project,
and
so
we
have
a
number
forty-year-old
agreements
expire
last
year,
and
so
those
shifted
to
becoming
taxable
projects,
and
so
that
gave
us
an
increase
in
our
in
our
new
growth
number
to
kind
of
help.
Get
us
to
that.
99
million.
I
Thank
you,
okay.
Well,
my
time
is
up
in
closing.
I
want
to
mention
a
great
work
so
far,
particularly
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Lara
is
Berg
and
your
team
who's
been
phenomenal
for
my
staff
and
I.
Obviously,
these
are
sensitive
questions,
sensitive
constituent
issues
whenever
there's
a
tax
question
or
outstanding
issue
on
she's
been
a
tremendous
resource,
so
job
well
done
to
her,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
your
team,
Thank
You,
Kim,
Thank,.
J
And
good
afternoon,
when
everybody
thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
I
was
thinking
of
asking
have
been
asked,
but
one
of
my
questions
is
in
terms
of
assessing
the
pilot
payments.
Are
there
any
plans
to
update,
especially
considering
where
we're
gonna
be
fiscally
I?
Think
due
to
this
virus,
the
property
taxes
of
which
we
we
use
to
then
estimate
what
their
payment
should
be
within
this
fiscal
year?
J
B
I
think
that's
an
important
conversation
to
have.
You
know
I
think
that
the
the
city's
pilot
program
has
actually
been
a
pretty
significant
success.
If
you
benchmark
it
against
any
other
state
or
municipality,
we
collect
far
and
away
more
money
than
other
localities
do
in
this
kind
of
voluntary
system
that
that's
in
essence,
fundraising,
right
and
so
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
right
now
that's
kind
of
casting
a
shadow
over.
B
Since
then,
because
then
it
was
$32
per
thousand,
but
it
that's
just
kind
of
the
framework
of
how
the
program
was
created,
but
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
kind
of
get
some
more
information
out
there.
So
the
program
isn't
giving
this
appearance
that's
trying
to
hide
things,
but
really
it's
a
strong
revenue
generator
for
the
city
and
I
think
it's
been
been
pretty
successful
and
I,
don't
like
that.
The
values
are
kind
of
a
distraction
from
that
success.
J
K
You,
madam
chair,
okay,
so
I
just
have
a
quick
question
in
regards
to
just
how
accessible
this
information
is
to
to
folks
curious
on
the
assessment.
Department.
The
term
is
property
values
right.
So
I'm
I'm
wondering
how
was
this
impact
poor,
neighborhoods
poor
neighborhoods,
like?
Are
you
seeing
this
in
one
lens
of
equity,
for
example?
Through
this
deferral
photo
program
for
seniors?
B
B
I
do
so
there.
There
could
be
a
couple
of
different
reasons
for
that
right
and
anytime.
You
don't
know
why
something
is
is
being
utilized.
It
could
be
that
we're
not
getting
information
out
appropriately.
It
could
be
people
don't
meet
the
requirements
program
because
there's
agent
income
limits
there
there
could
be
different
different
reasons.
Why
that's
happening
it
could
be
that
just
people
aren't
interested
in
the
program
for
whatever
reasons
they
don't
find
it
attractive
and
I
am
interested
in
kind
of
trying
to
figure
out
more.
B
Why
why
that
is,
and
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
information
out
to
people
I
mean
right
now
we
have
information
on
our
website,
but
we
also
participate
in
various
community
events.
We
work
a
lot
with
aged
strong
to
have
people
available
to
help
them
communicate
the
issue.
We
have
our
tax
payer
referral
assistance
center.
That
I
always
encourage
people
to
call
if
they
have
any
questions
about
a
program
and
think
they
might
be
interested.
B
You
know
there
are
a
long
times
where
I've
had
I
worked
with
Department
for
14
years.
Right
and
I
got
just
get
all
kinds
of
questions
about
exemption
programs
and
a
lot
of
times
when
people
ask
is
like
can
I
apply
for
this.
My
answer
is
like
always.
You
can
apply
for
it
like
why
not
apply
filling
out.
The
application
is
free,
you
might
not
qualify,
but
if
you
don't
send
in
the
application,
you'll
you'll
never
get
it.
So
you
have
to
do
that
first
step
and
our
applications
don't
ask
for
that.
B
K
B
That's
a
conversation
that
we've
been
having
with
the
language
and
community
communications
access,
Department
that
was
recently
established
to
try
and
figure
out
what
forms
we
have
that
should
go
out
in
multiple
languages,
because
right
now,
I
think
a
few
of
our
performs
kind
of
had
Apple
notices
on
them.
But
I
don't
know
that
they're
widely
available,
at
least
not
a
hard
copy
in
different
languages,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
the
thing
that
we
need
to
look
into
and.
K
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
in
this
department
and
I
know:
council
barkal.
Let
me
know
if,
as
soon
as
I
ask
the
question
if
it
should
be
deferred
somewhere
else,
but
I'm
curious
about
when
someone
purchases,
a
city,
city
property
and
they
have
like
a
30
year,
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
death
penalty.
But
you
know
you're
supposed
to
be
a
hormone
you're
supposed
to
live
in
that
rental
property,
that
property
for
10
years.
K
It
makes
it
hard
for
people
to
invest
and
purchase
a
home
if
they
know
that
they're
never
gonna
be
able
to
build
any
equity
and
and
I'm
wondering
whether
or
not
that's
something
that
your
department
looks
at,
because
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
from
people
who
who
are
interested
in
becoming
homeowners.
But
the
way
the
city
assesses
not
just
the
property
but
just
the
value
of
the
home.
If
you
purchase
the
city,
property
is
lower
and-
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
question
for
this
hearing-
I
I'm,
sorry
but
I
just
know.
C
B
So
it
kind
of
keeps
those
costs
low
for
them.
But
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
you
know
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
create
equity,
and
so
that
makes
it
less
attractive,
but
I
think
that
my
not
sure
if
it's
Neighborhood,
Development
or
or
kind
of
who
that
falls
into
that
would
be
the
best
person
to
kind
of
answer
why
those
guidelines
are
in
place
and.
K
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
universities
in
the
city
of
Boston
who
are
not
paying
their
fair
share
and
that
we're
losing
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
revenue
because
of
the
way
the
property
taxes
are
set
up
here
in
the
city
of
Boston.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
your
department
is
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
make
it
more
unfair
or
to
push
these
folks
to
pay
their
fair
share.
Yes,
if
you
will
yeah.
C
B
These
nonprofits
in
this
this
pilot
program,
that's
the
reason
it's
voluntary
is
that
it's
right
now
by
state
law.
All
of
these
institutions
are
completely
exempt
from
paying
property
taxes,
so
their
their
obligation
for
property
taxes
is,
is
zero
right
and
that
that's
not
just
Boston.
That's
that's
the
Commonwealth
and
that's
how
the
statutes
are
set
up
yeah
for
the
most
part,
I
think
over
time.
This
has
been
building
and
building.
B
We've
been
doing
some
excellent
outreach
to
try
and
get
these
institutions
to
acknowledge
that
they
are
members
of
our
community
and
that
their
costs
associated
with
them
being
numbers
and
that
that
was
kind
of
the
the
impetus
behind
the
task
force
when
that
was
created
to
kind
of
bring
institutions
together
to
address
some
of
the
funding
needs
of
the
city
and
get
some
buy-in
and
that's
kind
of
what
created
the
current
system
that
we
that
we
have
now,
that
is,
that
is
quite
successful.
That
doesn't
mean
that
it
can't
be
improved.
B
B
A
Thank
You
councillor
Mejia
next
up
is
the
councillor
Baker
to
be
followed
by
councillor
Edwards
and
then
councillor
Breda.
B
B
L
B
So
the
senior
exemptions
are
this
category
of
exemptions
that
we
call
personal
exemptions,
those
because
of
singles
you
have
to
file
for
every
year
the
residential
exemptions.
If,
for
some
reason
you
apply
first
senior
exemption
and
we're
not
getting
a
residential
exemption,
we
need
an
application
to
have
someone
to
act
on,
so
we
would
send
you
an
application,
but
we
would
make
sure
that
you
remember
above
those
programs,
Thank
You
Nick.
Thank
you.
M
M
This
is
a
ordinance
that
myself
and
councillor
Flynn
passed
at
the
City
Council
is
the
local
option
to
allow
for
seniors
to
extend
their
if
they
owed
money
to
the
City
of
Austin
to
extend
the
the
one
year
payment
plan
to
a
five
year
payment
plan
than
to
also
reduce
their
taxes
by
or
their
interest
rate
by
50%.
So
we
opted
into
the
that
is
the
city
of
Boston
and
was
just
curious
about
how
many
seniors
are
taking
advantage
of
that.
M
We
also
had
agreed
at
some
point
having
a
hearing
on
this
specifically
to
discuss
other
classes
of
individuals
who
also
may
meet
relief,
as
we
heard
about
people
who
are
cash.
Excuse
me
house,
rich
for
cash-poor
and
are
struggling
to
pay
their
companies
taxes
for
the
city
of
Boston,
so
that
was
one
I.
M
Don't
know
if
you
had
any
updates
on
that
and
population
in
terms
of
numbers
the
other
I
had
was
with
regards
to
oh,
yes,
one
of
the
other
questions
and
issues
were
going
to
be
dealing
with
in
the
hearing
that
councillor,
Wu,
myself
and
counsel
Vodka
have
called,
is
linking
property
tax
relief
to
lowering
rents.
So
if
a
property
owner
agreed
to
rent
the
low
market,
I,
don't
know
whomever,
but
they
agreed
to
go
to
a
below
market,
especially
in
some
of
the
housing
markets
that
we
are
particularly
in
better
need
of,
like
family
housing.
M
What
property
tax
relief
for
the
City
of
Boston
offer
them
if
any
to
incentivize
people
to
do
that
they
did
the
right
thing,
they're
already
doing
the
right
thing
and
renting
well
below
market.
Why
wouldn't
we
want
to
reward
people
with
some
sort
of
relief
on
the
other
end
and
then
finally,
I
know
you've
been
having
to
feel
questions
about
the
pilot
program,
but
this
is
not
so
much
a
question
about
the
income
coming
in.
This
is
about
alright
and
I.
Agree
with
you,
you
know
it's
a
volunteer
program.
It
is
not
a
failure.
M
I
think
it's
seen
as
a
national
model,
actually
in
terms
of
cities
being
able
to
extract
benefits
from
colleges
and
universities.
So
yes,
but
it
could
be
better,
as
you
mentioned,
it
doesn't
make
it
a
failure.
I
also
think
it
could
be
accurate,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
asked
for
from
your
office
is
actually
updating
the
numbers
to
demonstrate
not
the
2009
values,
but
today's
current
values
demonstrating
the
the
actual
Delta
between
what
they
are
paying
and
what
they,
what
they
could
be
volunteering
to
pay.
M
That
was
one
thing
we've
been
asking
for
for
some
time.
The
other
thing
was
actually
noting
or
getting
them
as
universities
to
report,
and
they
did
this
before
they're
exempt
properties
and
they're
non-exempt
properties
on
on
their
campuses,
so
how
much
tax
relief
they're
getting
or
not
getting
for
their
dr.
Bell
nuts
versus
their
the
land
that
they
take
it
out
of
probably
tax
relief,
and
also
we've
called
for
and
I
will
continue
to
call
for,
which
is
a
commit.
M
A
true
community
benefit
analysis
and
a
task
force
led
by
people
of
Boston
to
chow
the
universities.
What
are
the
CBA
is
a
community
benefits
actually
matter
to
the
community
and
give
them
a
list
and
say
so
when
you're
not
going
to
pay
us
back,
but
you
are
gonna
offer
community
benefits
choose
from
this
list
of
ten
things,
and
these
are
all
things
again
from
the
city
of
Boston
and
it's
leadership
that
I
think
that
we
should
be
considering
not
necessarily
whether
they
won't
pay
it
or
not.
B
B
B
B
So
connecting
property
tax
relief
with
rent
relief
so
right
now,
if
someone
decides
to
restrict
their
deed
to
limit
their
income,
then
that
is
something
that
we
can
take
into
account
with
their
valuation,
but
failing
a
deed
restriction.
We
need
to
value
things
based
on
what
they
can
transact
for
in
the
market,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
where
you
had
this
disconnect
of
property
owners
that
might
be
providing
below
market
rights,
people
the
goodness
of
their
heart.
B
But
the
value
is
not
taking
that
into
account
and
that
it's
it's
how
the
the
statutes
are
set
up,
that
kind
of
dictate
the
parameters
in
there
which
we
value
things.
So
that
would
need
to
be
a
to
be
a
statutory
change
or
they
would
have
the
opportunity
to
get
an
acknowledgment
of
that
if
they
knew
they
were
just
to
do
it
forever
and
ever
to.
If
they
put
a
deed
restriction
on
that
property,
then
we
can
put
that
into
their
values,
because
that
clearly
is
something
that
would
impact
the
marketability
of
their
property.
But.
M
B
It
it's
possible
to
craft
a
new
statue
to
maybe
get
out
what
you're
talking
about
in
a
similar
way
that
the
the
exemption
statutes
are
crafted,
but
currently
in
the
statutes.
The
way
they
exist,
there's
not
an
opportunity
for
us
to
kind
of
get
at
that.
It
would
need
to
be
a
change
to
legislation.
Okay,.
F
B
M
M
Those
that
list
of
what
can,
what
get,
what
is
defined
as
a
community
benefit
having
a
task
force.
Another
pilot
task
force's
asked
for
this
that
they
would
be
part
of
helping
you
to
find
what
it
is,
so
that
when
University
said
that
they've
done
right
by
us
with
community
benefits,
it's
part
of
a
list
of
already
defined
benefits
that
we
know
actually
help
our
communities
just
aren't
assumed
to
by
the
universities
yeah.
B
B
There
was
a
that
communities
could
get
for
community
benefits.
Sorry,
not
communities,
institutions
could
get
for
community
benefits
and
then
50%
threshold
I'm
sure,
if
you've
seen
the
reports
that
they
send
in
that
I
believe
are
post
in
the
website.
The
basketry
of
institutions
desire
a
much
higher
credit
level.
B
M
F
F
Could
you
could
you
speak
to
the
senior
work
off
program
and
how
that
intersects
with
the
assessing
department
and
also
the
equity
of
accessibility,
of
that
different
neighborhoods,
have
more
opportunities
in
the
locality
to
avail
of
that
program
here
in
Austin,
right,
we've,
very
few
city
institutions
with
the
library
and
the
library
and
I
think
the
library
in
the
senior
center
I
think
of
the
two
and
I.
Don't
even
think
the
library
works,
but
you
know
other
than
other
neighbourhoods
have
more
opportunities
for
low
income
seniors
to
do
a
work
off
program
in
their
locality.
B
Can
do
my
best
noon?
Counseling.
The
work
off
program
is
opportunity
for
seniors
to
reduce
some
of
their
tax
liability
through
volunteer
work.
It's
actually
a
program
that
is
administered
by
the
aged
strong
department
and
so
they're,
the
ones
that
do
the
kind
of
application
processing
and
the
placement
of
those
individuals
so
I,
unfortunately,
don't
have
a
lot
of
good
information
for
you
about
kind
of
where
people
are
placed.
What
departments
they're
placed
in
in
locality
and
things
of
that
I
think
it's
a
really
interesting
question.
It's
just
kind
of
outside
my
wheelhouse.
How.
F
C
F
L
N
Thank
you.
Don't
slug
walk
in
a
bank
good
Commissioner
for
being
here
and
for
your
leadership.
I
had
a
couple
questions
I
wanted
to
follow
on
council
Braden's
question
on
the
on
this:
the
the
ability
for
seniors
to
do
some
volunteer
work
and
have
a
reduction
in
their
property
tax.
I
support
that
I
think
it's
a
great
program.
F
B
Afternoon
Council
explain:
yeah
I,
think
that
is
a
that's.
An
excellent
excellent
question
and
outreach
as
I
was
talking
about
earlier,
is
something
that
you
know
I
think
it's
really
important
to
try
and
kind
of
figure
out
new
ways
to
get
constituents
kind
of
involved
and
make
them
aware
that
programs
are
available.
B
We
do
a
lot
with
community
meetings
and
working
with
aged
strong
and
I,
encourage
everyone
to
call
our
taxpayer
and
referral
assistance
center,
because
they
know
a
lot
more
about
the
details
and
the
nitty-gritty
of
these
programs
that
I
do
but
I
I'm
always
open
to
new
suggestions
for
outreach
and-
and
we
are
kind
of
willing
to
do
whatever
it
is
I
think
these
are
important
programs
and
they
exist
for
people
too
take
advantage
of
them.
They
don't
exist
to
be
kept
secret.
B
So
we
have
a
few
different
personal
exemption
options
that
apply
to
disabled
veterans.
The
mayor
recently
through
his
executive
order,
extended
the
debye
on
those
exemption
programs.
The
application
deadline
was
April
1st
and
he's
extended
that
to
June
1st,
which
is
the
maximum
allowed
by
the
legislature
I,
which
is
that
I
think
is
a
great
thing
to
give
people
an
extra
opportunity
to
apply.
B
N
You
and
my
final
question
I
supported
the
program
where,
during
this
pandemic,
the
colleges
universities
were
giving
dorm
space
chalo
for
first
responders
so
that
they
could
use
them.
I
know,
there's
one
in
my
district
that
I've
in
in
council
box
district,
this
Suffolk
University,
that's
doing
the
program.
I
know
other
colleges
and
universities
are
doing
it
as
well.
N
I
know
some
other
colleges
may
or
may
not
open
on
time
in
the
fall
and
maybe
not
have
summer
classes,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
impact
of
these
decisions
have
on
your
bottom
line
of
collecting
revenue
for
the
city,
knowing
that
our
colleges
are
struggling
financially.
Most
of
all
our
colleges
already
providing
services
now
as
part
of
this
pandemic,
are
you
factoring
that
in
and
what
impact
will
that
has
so.
B
B
Am
concerned
with
the
potential
impact
to
the
receipts
for
the
second
half
of
our
pilot
requests.
We
have
not
sent
out
those
notices,
yet
so
I,
don't
really
know
where
that's
going
to
land
we're
going
to
send
those
out
in
the
next
next
few
weeks.
I
think
it
definitely
has
the
potential
to
hit
us,
because
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
way
offs
happening
right
now
with
universities
and
medical
institutions
and
again
it
being
a
voluntary
program.
B
I
know
if
they're
like
just
to
to
tie
it
to
a
normal
household
in
a
normal
household.
The
first
bills
that
you
cut
are
the
ones
that
you
don't
have
to
pay
right
and
so
I
think
that
there
there
might
be
some
impact
there.
I
really
hope
that
there
isn't
I
know
that
he
participants
that
we
have.
That
really
are
partners
with
us
know
how
important
that
revenue
is
to
the
city
and
how
vital
that
is,
and
the
same
way
that
they've
been
stepping
up
to
handle
this
crisis.
B
I
hope
that
they
will
continue
to
step
up
and
participate
in
that
program,
thankfully,
is
as
far
as
I
know.
No
one
has
been
trying
to
leverage
their
goodwill
to
ask
for
a
discount
during
this
emergency,
and
this
you
know
global
pandemic,
and
so
everyone
that
has
been
stepping
up
has
been
stepping
up
because
they
think
that's
important
to
help
the
community
and
help
Boston
and
I
think
that
that's
important
that
we
all
kind
of
stand
together
to
get
this
resolved.
N
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
acknowledge
the
tremendous
work
there.
Colleges
and
universities
and
hospitals
are
doing
during
this
pandemic.
I
also
wonder
and
being
concerned
too,
because
their
revenue
will
be
going
down
that
this
will
have
a
dramatic
impact
on
the
on
the
the
ability
of
Boston
to
bring
in
the
pilot
pro
highway
fund,
so
just
something
maybe
short-term
and
long-term.
We
could
at
least
continue
continue
talking
about.
A
Thank
You
councillor
Flynn
Thank
You,
commissioner
I.
What
we
we
will
go
to
a
second
round
of
questions
for
folks
who
still
have
them
I
wanted
to
follow
up
with
a
few
of
my
own
in
relation
to
the
info
that
you
guys
sent
over
I
guess.
One
question
is:
if
you
could
walk
us
a
little
bit
through
overtime
for
the
assessing
department,
because
I
noticed
that
last
year
we
appropriated
20
so
that
I
think
it's
20
thousand
for
that
purpose,
and
then
it
ended
up.
A
B
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
it!
That's
a
good
question.
It
probably
does
a
little
bit
into
the
Nitty
nitty-gritty
of
the
department,
so
field
feel
free
to
cut
me
off
with
I'm,
giving
too
much
detail.
We
had
some
kind
of
untimely
transition
last
year
so
with
the
kind
of
moving
on
the
former
commissioner
and
we
had
to
make
a
change
there,
director
evaluation,
what
I
took
over
in
June,
we
were
in
Advent.
This
was
by
design
it.
We
also
had
some
issues
with
software
conversion,
but
we
were
behind.