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Docket #0417 - Hearing regarding inaccuracies in Analyze Boston’s crime incident report datasets
B
D
in
criminal
justice
we
are
joined.
Let
me
just
make
sure
I
get
this
accurate.
I
have
my
lovely
notes,
so
I
don't
miss
any
council
colleagues,
we're
joined
by
council,
flat
councillors,
flaherty
councillors,
flaherty
bach
nissa,
sabi,
george
council,
mejia
and
councilor
flynn
good
morning.
Thank
you
guys
for
being
here.
B
B
We
will
take
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
if
you
wish
to
testify,
please
email,
shane.patpc
boston.gov
to
sign
up.
We
ask
that
when
you
do
testify
that
you
state
your
name
and
your
affiliation
and
limit
your
comments
to
no
more
than
two
minutes,
you
can
also
submit
written
testimony
at
ccc
at
boston.gov.
B
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
number
0417.
It's
a
hearing.
It's
an
order
for
hearing
regarding
inaccuracies
and
analyze.
Boston's
crime
incident
report
data
sets.
I
first
want
to
start
by
thanking
all
of
my
panelists
for
being
here
this
morning.
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you
guys
are
taking
out
of
your
busy
schedule
to
be
here
hold
on
one.
Second,
I've
lost
some
notes
here
hold
on
one.
B
D
B
I
first
want
to
thank
citizens
for
juvenile
justice
for
identifying
these
issues
and
bringing
them
to
my
attention
and
for
this
hearing
today.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
aclu
for
your
work
on
these
issues
and,
of
course
I
want
to
thank
our
panelists
from
the
police
department
as
well
as
do
it
for
being
here
today.
B
B
E
It's
why
companies
are
moving
here,
let's
tap
into
our
own
intellectual
capital,
so
it's
very
important
that
we
keep
boston
safe,
so
this
data,
this
information
has
to
be
accurate
for
us,
particularly
as
elected
leaders
that
are
making
decisions
around
around
budgeting,
so
look
forward
to
the
panelist
and
would
love
to
hear
the
accurate
facts
so
that
we
can
make
decisions
based
on
that
thanks.
Madam
chair.
B
D
Thank
you
councillor
campbell,
I
I
I
take
your
brevity
instruction
to
heart
and
just
say
I
think
this
is
the
kind
of
oversight,
accountability,
transparency
that
we
on
the
council
are
tasked
with
doing,
and
I'm
grateful
to
the
departments
for
being
here,
and
hopefully
we
can
come
out
the
other
side,
with
more
reliable
data
for
for
everybody,
who's,
trying
to
think
about
how
we
have
a
better,
safer,
more
accountable
city
for
all.
So
thanks
thank.
F
G
Hi,
yes
good
morning,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
hosting
this.
I
do
think
that,
in
the
same
spirit
in
which
counselor
flaherty
talked
about
the
accuracy
of
data,
for
the
same
reasons,
that's
why
a
lot
of
black
and
brown
people
are
moving
out
of
the
city
of
boston.
They
don't
feel
safe,
they
don't
feel
protected.
So
I
think
that
this
conversation
is
going
to
help
us
understand
where
things
lie
and
in
terms
of
funding
and
supporting.
G
I
think
that
I
see
this
as
also
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
a
lot
of
the
unsolved
murders
that
are
happening
across
the
city
of
boston
in
terms
of
data
collection.
I'm
just
really
curious
about
all
of
that.
So
looking
forward
to
this
conversation,
thank
you
for
hosting
and
thank
you
for
the
administration
for
showing
up
that's
very
important.
So
thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
councillor
campbell
for
your
leadership
on
this
important
issue.
Thank
you
to
the
city
administration,
the
boston
police
team
for
being
here,
as
well
as
the
advocates
had
the
opportunity,
as
a
probation
officer
for
10
years
to
study
crime
stats
of
people
leaving
jail
at
prison.
So
I
know
having
accurate
data
is
critical.
It
will
also
help
the
boston
police
department
in
their
job
as
well.
Again,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
boston
police
also
for
their
professionalism
during
this
very
difficult
time.
Thank
you,
council
campbell.
I
Thank
you
so
much
chair
campbell.
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
you
vice
chair
flaherty
and
the
other
members
of
the
of
the
committee
just
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
this
morning
and
to
testify
on
these
important
issues.
I
also
want
to
just
uplift
your
commenter
campbell
earlier.
I
The
tragic
incidents
that
are
currently
unfolding
in
minneapolis
is
a
stark
reminder
to
us
all
that
the
work
of
police
accountability
is
very
much
an
ongoing
one
in
conversations
like
the
one
that
we're
having
this
morning
are
so
essential
and
crucial
to
that
again,
my
name
is
leon
smith
and
I'm
the
executive
director
as
citizens
for
juvenile
justice.
I
am
here
with
my
colleagues
josh
dankoff
who's,
our
director
of
strategic
initiatives
and
mathon
kola
berkowitz,
who
is
one
of
our
interns.
I
I
I
C
Thanks
leon
and
thank
you,
chair
campbell
and
the
other
council
members,
it
is
my
name-
is
josh
dankoff,
I'm
director
of
strategic
initiatives
at
citizens
for
juvenile
justice,
I'm
just
going
to
say
a
couple
words
and
and
then
pass
this
over
to
matan.
Who,
though
his
title
is
intern,
he's
really
the
one
who
helped
identify
these
issues,
and
so
I'm
going
to
really
let
him
speak
so
just
to
to
restate
as
leon
said,
we
love
public-facing
databases
and
the
city
of
boston
should
really
be
commended.
C
C
The
crime
incident
report
database
is
is
provided
by
the
police
department
and
you
know
contains
initial
details
on
a
whole
range
of
issues
that
police
officers
are
responding
to
both
core
public
safety
functions
and
outside
of
that,
and
this
data
really
allows
the
city
and
the
police
department
itself
and
the
public
and
advocacy
organizations
to
do
a
range
of
things.
So
I
just
want
to
mention
a
couple
of
things
that
cfj
has
used
this
data
with
just
to
sort
of
set
up
the
importance
of
having
accurate
data
and
then
I'll.
C
C
There
are
at
least
four
or
five
years
of
data,
but
as
you'll
see
in
the
chart,
that's
on
the
screen
that
stops
right
now
at
2019.,
although
there
is
some
data
available
for
2020,
the
the
the
challenges
and
the
the
data
that
are
going
to
be
outlined
meant
that
we
couldn't
actually
continue
our
our
analysis
to
understand
what
was
going
on
for
2020
and
the
the
data
also
provides
location.
So
we
can
do
mapping
as
we
as
just
one
example
of
the
traffic
stops
done
here
and
understand.
C
J
J
And
thank
you
once
again
for
this
opportunity.
As
we
mentioned,
there
were
two
main
issues
with
the
incident
report:
data
set.
First,
the
data
itself
is
duplicated
and,
second,
that
the
categorization
of
the
incidents
has
been
changed,
which
makes
it
harder
for
the
public
to
understand
the
types
of
incidents
that
police
are
responding
to.
J
J
After
downloading
downloading
the
data
set,
we
found
that
there
were
90
000,
unique
incidents
after
removing
duplicates
in
2020.
Now
this
number
is
actually
very
reasonable.
However,
given
the
previous
fluctuations
in
the
data
set
and
the
still
existing
duplication
issues,
this
number
and
the
2020
data
set
overall,
is
fairly
unreliable.
J
L
J
J
The
second
issue
we'd
like
to
discuss
today
is
the
chain
gm
categorization
in
september
of
2019,
the
bpd
changed
removed
and
consolidated
a
substantial
number
of
instant
descriptions
in
the
data
set.
Each
incident
has
a
specific
description,
such
as
towed
motor
vehicle
or
sick,
assist
or
auto
theft.
What
the
change
did
was
it
took
multiple,
unique
descriptions
and
consolidated
them
into
one
more
general
description.
J
J
Similarly,
there
used
to
be
different
weapons,
weapon
incidents
which
are
broken
down
by
a
type
of
weapon,
firearm
or
other,
and
the
offense,
carrying
trafficking
or
other,
and
now,
once
again,
all
the
weapon
of
incidents
are
all
funneled
under
a
single
weapon
and
finally,
and
most
egregiously
22
different
type
of
drug
incidents,
which
were
previously
broken
down.
Both
the
class
of
drug
and
by
the
type
of
events,
so,
for
instance,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
there
was
drugs
class,
a
trafficking
over
18
grams
drugs,
possession
class
b
and
a
lot
more.
J
Now,
however,
they've
all
been
consolidated
into
a
single
incident
called
drugs,
possession,
slash,
sale,
slash,
manufacturing,
flash
use
from
a
public
policy
perspective.
There
was
a
significant
difference,
for
instance,
in
the
police,
finding
someone
with
a
small
amount
of
marijuana
over
the
legal
limit
and
discovering
a
heroin
trafficking
operation
before
these
changes
were
made.
The
public
could
differentiate
between
these
two
different
types
of
offenses
and
understand
how
police
resources
are
being
used
to
fight
drug
use.
J
Organizations
like
cfha
to
have
informed
public
policy
discussions
about
the
role
of
police
in
combating
drug
use
and
the
other
changes
that
were
made,
as
you
can
see
on
screen,
made
it
similarly
more
difficult
to
do
the
same
to
have
the
same
kind
of
public
policy
discussions
in
other
areas.
In
total
59
different
incident
descriptions
were
consolidated
down
into
just
14..
J
B
A
A
I
am
the
stock
technologist
at
the
aclu
of
massachusetts,
and
I
want
to
start
out
also
by
thanking
the
leaders
at
citizens
for
juvenile
justice
or
cfjj
for
bringing
this
issue
to
the
fore
and
inviting
us
to
contribute
as
well
so
like
cfj,
we're
here
today
to
share
evidence
of
the
concerning
inconsistencies
and
changes
that
we
have
also
seen
in
the
analyze.
Boston
police
incident
data.
A
So,
diving,
right
in
over
a
year
ago,
in
march
2020,
the
aclu
of
massachusetts
created
a
public
dashboard
to
help
advocates
and
citizens
visualize
and
explore
boston
police
department
incident
data
using
exactly
this
database
on
the
analyze
boston
site.
Unfortunately,
while
designing
that
dashboard,
we
quickly
realized
that
the
incidents
documented
in
the
database
on
analyze
boston
were
changing
from
day
to
day.
A
A
If
you
did
a
query
on
monday
march
16th,
you
would
see
that
around
200
incidents
that
day
were
missing
location
data,
but
just
a
couple
weeks
later,
on
march
30th,
almost
none
of
them
were
missing
location
data,
so
all
of
them
had
location
data
and
then
the
couple
days
later,
on
april
2nd.
If
you
went
back,
then
you
had
somewhere
around
50
of
these
incidents
or
missing
location
data.
A
That
is
kind
of
a
copy
of
the
version
on
analyze
boston,
where
you're
trying
to
get
rid
of
those
duplications
and
maintain
if
location,
data,
pops
up,
you
keep
it
for
that
incident,
and
that
means
that
if
it
disappears
a
week
down
the
line,
we
still
have
access
to
it.
So
that
was
a
tedious
process
for
us,
but
it
was
more
than
worth
it
in
the
end,
because
it's
so
important
to
have
data
like
this
to
inform
the
sorts
of
people
who
are
seeking
to
understand
policing
in
boston.
A
But
of
course,
nonprofits,
civic
organizations
and
citizens
shouldn't
have
to
depend
on
expertise
and
database
design
and
maintenance
to
be
able
to
interpret
publicly
available
policing
data,
and
then
the
second
concern
that
I
want
to
raise
again
as
matomori
did,
was
really
the
drastic
effects
of
this
transition
to
a
new
record
management
system.
So,
as
he
said,
in
fall,
2019
bpd,
transitioned
to
a
new
system
called
mark
43,
which
is
a
public
safety
software
startup
that
drastically
decreased
the
quality
of
the
data
that
they
were
sharing
around
policing
incidents.
A
So,
as
you
were
saying,
you
took
a
whole
bunch
of
really
detailed
category
descriptions
and
squished
them
all
down
into
a
whole
bunch
of
overly
broad
category
descriptions.
So
what
this
chart
we're
looking
at
currently
is
showing
is
that
previously,
various
drug-related
incidents
were
categorized
in
over
a
dozen
different
categories
based
on
the
type
and
the
amount
of
drug
and
the
type
of
kind
of
interaction
with
the
drug.
That
was
happening,
and
they
all
got
changed
into
this
one.
A
Overly
broad
category,
drugs,
possession
slash,
fail,
slash,
manufacturing,
flash
use
and,
at
the
time
laid
out.
This
also
happened
with
other
important
categories,
including
weapons,
assault
and
battery
breaking
and
entering
and
others.
So
it's
unclear
to
us
why
bpd
made
the
switch
or
if
any
consideration
was
given
as
to
how
that
would
affect
analytics
around
these
sorts
of
incidents.
A
At
the
moment,
which
is
a
real
shame,
because
boston's
open
data
portal
is
one
of
the
best
in
the
country
with
it.
We're
really
setting
a
strong
example
for
other
cities,
both
in
the
source
of
data
that
are
available
there
and
the
ease
of
access
as
we'd
love
to
say
at
the
aclu.
You
can't
manage
what
you
don't
measure,
but
unfortunately,
the
mismanagement
of
this
particular
policing
incident
data
set
has
knocked
out
one
of
the
few
publicly
available
avenues
for
holding
the
boston
police
department.
A
So
with
that,
I
will
close
and
kind
of
plus
one
all
of
the
recommendations
that
cfj
proposed
around
investigating
more
around
why
these
database
issues
are
happening
and
encouraging
them
to
potentially
consider
adopting
a
new
record
management
system
that
re-establishes
this
granularity
of
detail
around,
what's
happening
with
policing,
so
I'll
just
say,
thanks
so
much
to
cfj
and
council
campbell
for
bringing
this
attention
to
the
issue
and
we're
hoping
that
it
can
be
discussed
today
and
hopefully
resolved
in
the
near
future.
So
thanks
so
much.
B
B
M
M
M
You
know
we
had
several
of
our
other
connected
databases
and
systems.
You
know
had
issues
like,
for
instance,
our
it's.
You
know
our
evidence
tracking
that
that
had
to
be
revamped.
Our
booking
system
up,
you
know
we're
having
a
similar
problem
with
the
public
journals,
and
you
know
case
management.
There
were
several
things
that
needed
to
be
upgraded
because
of
this.
M
You
know
new
record
management
system
so
simultaneous
to
this,
but
independent
of
us
bringing
this
new
record
management
system
in
was
the
federal
government
mandated
that
we
changed
from
the
ucr
to
the
niagara
system,
so
it
kind
of
like
it
kind
of
really
clouds
both
issues,
because
when
both
of
those
came
online,
it
kind
of
overlapped,
creating
issues
independent
but
connected.
So
with
that,
so
we
you
know
again.
This
was
brought
to
our
attention.
M
We
got
together
with
doit
and
the
isg
team
here
in
the
police
department
and
we
kind
of
took
a
part
what
was
going
on
and
they
were.
You
know
that
we
actually
hired
the
consultant
mark
43.
We
brought
them
on
board
and
they
kind
of
you
know
with
all
the
hard
work
would
do
it.
In
my
43
and
my
my
isg
team.
We
think
we're
about
ready
to
relaunch,
or
you
know
we
have
this
reapply
to
the
city,
boston
analyzed
so,
but
that
that's
a
good.
M
We're
looking
for
and
they're
gonna
be
able
to
map
it
and
pull
out
whatever
they
need.
It's
it's
going
to
be
a
great
things
like
I
said
it's
about
six
months
to
a
year
away,
but
we've
had
several
negotiations.
We're
gonna
bring
that
on
board.
You
know
all
these
things
take
time.
So
with
that,
so
I
know
the
second
issue,
so
that
was
the
first
issue.
Look,
so
that
is
in
the
pipeline.
We're
gonna
get
rid
of
all
those
duplications.
M
M
You
know
we're
trying
to
make
everything
coordinated
so,
but
with
the
second
issue,
the
category
categorization
change
that
maton
brought
up.
So
with
this
new
record
management
system,
you
have
a
generalized
cr
crime
so
because
we
had
to
go
from
ucr
to
neighbours
so
within
knives
it
has.
Every
crime
is
really
dissected.
If
one
person
is
charged
with
a
crime,
every
crime
would
be
listed
on
the
report.
M
So
you
you'd
collect
the
first
box
say
it
would
be
drugs
and
then
it
would
be
a
drop
down
category
and
then
you
select
each
one,
so
the
federal
government
can
get
a
handle
what's
going
on.
So
what
that
was
between
that
system
and
analyze,
boston.
It
just
picked
up
the
generalized
code
that
was
that
selected
off
the
first
block.
So
that's
how
everything
you
know
I
was
talking
to
my
people
here,
frank
or
whatever.
You
know.
We
think
that
you
know
we
could
probably
work
it
out.
M
One
person
will
have
five
crimes
associated
with
one
incident,
so
we
don't
know
how
that's
gonna
work
out,
but
I
really
think
that
what
the
benefit
is
you
identified
a
problem
where,
within
days
of
rectifying
it
and
in
the
future,
whether
we're
going
to
be
engaging
in
with
the
new
public-facing
website
will,
I
think,
will
be
make
people
more
than
happy
with
the
information
they'll
be
able
to
get
off
that
incident.
So
that's
basically
it
you
know
again
we're
you
know
nothing
nefarious
going
on
here.
N
Good
morning,
madam
chair,
and
just
to
to
echo
what
the
superintendent
was
speaking
of
when
this
was
brought
to
our
attention,
we
quickly
circled
back
with
the
police
in
in
in
our
as
you
know,
as
the
superintendent
said
really
just
kind
of
in
days
of
having
this
problem
remediated
and
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
highlight,
and
I'll
and
I'll
pass
it
over
to
to
our
chief
data
officer,
stephanie
casalibo,
to
add
more
context
in
a
little
more
detail.
Is
this
this?
What
they?
N
This
would
have
been
caught
by
today's
process
standards,
but
because
it
was
an
older
process,
it
did
not
get
caught.
We
are
applying
our
new
process
and
our
new
standards
to
our
older
data
sets,
but
it
is,
it
is
slow,
going,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
legacy
data
sets
to
to
go
through
and
a
lot
of
pipelines
to
to
look
at
pulling
that
data
in
and
it's
just
it's
just
slow
going.
We
were
made
aware
of
this.
O
O
So
yes,
as
david
mentioned,
this
particular
pipeline
is,
is
one
of
you
know.
Several
that
were
set
up
before
the
analytics
team
was
even
formally
created
back
in
2015,
and
the
the
analytics
team
has
come
a
really
long
way
in
terms
of
how
we
are
establishing
and
maintaining
and
continuing
to
review
the
the
new
pipelines
that
we've
put
in
place.
O
Since
then,
we've
spent
many
years
setting
up
a
centralized
data
warehouse
and
putting
together,
you
know
best
practices
and
standards
for
how
we
develop
these
pipelines
going
forward.
That
now
includes
data
unit
testing,
so
that
so
that
we
have
automated
processes
in
place
that
will
alert
us
if
the
data
that
comes
into
our
our
data
warehouse
is
not
what
we
expect
so
just
to
give
an
example
of
of
what
that
might
mean.
So
take
the
take
311
requests.
O
O
So
there's
over
250
data
sets
on
analyze,
boston
alone
that
are
publicly
available.
But
that's
in
addition
to
you
know
to
other
internal
data
sources
that
that
are
being
used
to
support
internal
reporting
throughout
the
organization
as
well,
and
so
with
you
know,
with
the
the
number
of
folks
on
our
team.
It's
it's
we're
in
a
good
place
in
terms
of
the
the
new
pipelines
that
have
been
developed
in
the
last
couple
years
and
those
that
were
developing
going
forward.
O
But
it
does
take
time
to
retroactively.
Go
back
to
to
some
of
those
legacy
workflows
to
get
them
up
to
the
standards
that
that
we're
putting
in
place
today.
So
it's
something
that's
on
our
roadmap
and
you
know
when,
when
issues
do
arise
and
and
we're
alerted
to
those
those
become
priorities
for
us
to
resolve,
but
it
will
take
us
some
time
to
be
able
to
apply
all
of
the
standards
that
we
have
for
for
current
work
to
you
know
to
the
legacy
pipelines
that
were
established
five
six
seven
years
ago.
B
M
That
counselor,
that
may
be
a
a
problem
and
a
significant
undertaking,
but
we're
certainly
willing
to
at
this
point
to
you
know
whatever
again
will
work
with
the
team.
But
I
think
if
we
showed
david
his
team
with
mark
43,
you
know
I
know
it's
six
months
away,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
can
get
you
know
pulling
apart.
Those
categories
done
any
quicker,
but
I
think
david
may
want
to
weigh
in
on
that.
B
And
that
was
going
to
be
my
other
question.
It
sounds
like
there's
a
willingness
to
do
it,
but
what
what
I
guess
drives
how
long
it
takes.
Clearly,
it
was
done
before
right
these
categories.
So
just
what
what
drives,
how
long
it
takes
not
the
removal
of
the
the
duplicates
but
the
the
reverting
back
to
the
more
detailed
characterization.
M
I'd
have
to
ask
frank
for
his
opinion,
because
you
know
working
with
like
every
every
something
seemed
like
a
simple
fix,
and
I
would
like
to
done
in
three
days
and
I'm
told
you
know
three
months
so
frank.
Could
you,
when
you
give
your
opinion
on
what
something
like
this
help
with
the
length
of
time?
If
we
go
out
my
mach43
involved
in
this.
D
K
B
K
B
K
B
So
any
follow-up
on
that
would
be
extremely
helpful
and
then
my
last
question
before
I
turn
it
over
to
council
colleagues
is
who
decides
or
who?
Who
who
decides
what
information
will
be
released
from
the
from
the
police
department?
Who
decides
what's
going
to
be
in
the
data
set?
What's
not
going
to
be
in
the
data
set?
What's
that
decision-making
process.
M
B
M
B
K
H
B
G
B
G
Yeah,
so
I'm
just
curious
to
this
is
more
a
question
for
the
advocate.
I'm
I'm
curious
to
lauren's
point.
We
should.
We
shouldn't
have
to
depend
on
the
expertise
of
a
database
design,
experts
to
understand
trends
and
crime
reports
and
beyond
making
this
data
more
accurate.
I'm
just
curious
like
how
can
we
make
it
more
understandable
and
accessible
for
the
people?
I
think
that
one
thing
is
to
have
information.
The
other
is
is
to
disseminate
it
in
a
way
that
we
can
understand.
G
Actually
do
something
with
it,
so
I'm
just
curious
what,
if
anything,
we've
seen
across
the
country
and
other
or
in
other
spaces
that
make
data
easy
for
people
to
understand,
because
I
know
that
for
us
even
just
regular,
you
know
common
folks,
it's
hard
to
understand,
half
the
language
that
we
use
in
certain
spaces
and
even
understanding
the
even
graphs
or
are
complicated.
So
we
can
love
to
use
some
best
practices
and
like
how
we
can
disseminate
data
in
ways
that
everyone
can
understand.
M
You
know
you
really
have
to
know
what
you're
looking
at,
how
to
discern
it
and
analyze
it.
It's
a
very
difficult
again
in
order
to
keep
put
pointed
to
this
new
thing
that
we're
looking
at
with
mark
43.
It
has
a
lot
of
visualizations
mapping.
You
can
pull
up
reports
time
date.
Location
will
be
in
a
very
interactive
system,
so
we're
looking
forward
to
bringing
this
on,
but
I
agree
with
you
to
understand
what
all
that
is:
posted
on
analyze,
boston,
the
average
person
wouldn't
really
know
what
they're
looking
at.
G
Yeah,
so
then,
to
that
point,
I'm
just
thinking
counselor
campbell,
as
we
start
thinking
about
what
this
data
collection
and
dissemination
process
just
looks
like.
I
would
recommend
that
we
have
even
an
advisory
group
of
folks
right
to
kind
of
help,
inform
what
what
information
we
should
could
we
get.
In
addition,
what
can
we
be
gathering
how
it
should
be
disseminated
so
that
we're
bringing
people
to
the
table
who
are
living
these
realities,
to
inform
what
that
dissemination
would
look
like
and
what
might
be
helpful
to
folks?
G
G
G
G
B
I
So
very
quickly,
I
would
add
that,
as
we
as
we
think
about
ways
in
which
we
can
connect
this
data-
and
you
know
with
individuals
in
the
community
in
boston,
we
have
a
very
robust
and
driving
advocacy,
advocacy
community
of
organizations
who
do
engage
in
data
analysts
and
do
reach
out
to
parent
groups
and
groups
of
young
people
to
share
that
data.
So
if
there's
a
conversation
or
an
advisory
group,
I
know
I
can
speak
for
cfj
as
well
as
for
other
organizations.
I
We
work
in
coalition
with
who
would
be
more
than
happy
to
be
a
part
of
that
conversation.
For
example,
cfj
takes
data
from
the
department
of
education
in
their
publicly
facing
website
and
we
put
it
in
a
form-
that's
easily
digestible
for
the
community
around
school
discipline
issues
as
we
sharpen
this
boston
police
database.
We
love
to
be
able
to
do
something
like
that
as
well
and
then
work
with
counselors
or
others
to
find
avenues
to
connect
that
to
community
folks
to
ensure
that
everyone
really
understands
the
interface
with
law
enforcement
and
communities.
G
C
Thank
you
just
briefly
there.
While
I
don't
have
a
an
example
at
the
municipal
level,
we
do
here
in
massachusetts,
have
a
quite
a
good
example
of
a
state
agency
providing
public
facing
analysis
in
the
juvenile
justice
field.
I'm
referring
to
the
office
of
the
child
advocate
and
the
juvenile
justice
data
and
policy
board.
C
I
don't
think
I
can
drop
it
into
the
chat,
but
their
juvenile
justice
system,
data
and
outcomes
for
youth
website,
which
was
just
released
in
november
of
last
year,
pulls
data
including
arrest
data,
but
across
all
system
actors
and
makes
it
public
facing,
along
with
analysis.
That
and
trend
with,
you
know
easier
to
read
than
certainly
just
a
a
bunch
of
data
sets.
So
we
do
have
an
example
there
and
to
say
that
that
was,
you
know,
created
by
legislation
just
in
2018.
C
B
Thank
you
and
then
administration
or
superintendent.
Do
you
have
a
response
council
mejia,
particularly
on
the
advisory
piece
sort
of
goes
back
to
the
decision-making
question
around?
You
know
who's
in
the
room,
who's
deciding
what
information
is
released,
et
cetera.
I
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
respond.
M
Again,
tulsa,
you
know
we
just
kind
of
follow.
We
put
everything
out
that
we
can
the
only
things
that
we
hold
withhold
and
the
things
that
were
prohibited
by
state
law.
So
as
far
as
the
advisory
in
terms
of
what
which
road
we
want
to
go
down
in
the
future,
is
that
what
councilman
is
looking
for
or
participate
in
this
developing?
What
public-facing
you
know,
responses
that
we
have
for
her
or
whatever,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
she
wants
to
have
an
advisory
group
for.
G
M
Yes,
counselor,
so
I
mean
we
do
that,
so
that's
so
we're
to
look
to
this
for
a
centralized
location
for
this
public-facing
bill
product
that
mark
43
is
going
to
develop,
but
we
also
you
know
I
was
a
captain
of
three
different
districts:
roxbury
westbrook,
downtown
boston,
and
that
was
part
of
you
know
each
community
meeting
to
present
the
issues
at
each
meeting.
What's
going
on
in
that
particular
neighborhood
and
whatever
concerns
that
the
citizens
had,
they
could
bring
it
right
to
the
district
captain
and
the
community
service
offices.
M
They
you
know
they
have
access
to
get
that
information
and
they
speaking
for
myself.
I
always
presented
them,
because
I
know
that
how
important
that
the
it
was
and
how
much
the
community
wanted
it.
So,
yes,
there's
a
lot
of
personal
interaction
and
we're
gonna
plus,
on
top
of
this
we're
going
to
have
this
the
public
facing
journals.
Anybody
could
come
and
you
know,
review
police
reports
right
off
our
website.
B
Thank
you,
superintendent
and
thank
you
councilmember.
I
do
think
your
point
is
a
great
one
in
that
you
know.
Obviously
you
have
cfj
and
other
organizations.
There
are
a
whole
host
of
organizations,
aclu
willing
to
analyze
the
data.
So
it's
not
just
data
sets,
but
it's
turned
in
almost
to
a
narrative
that
people
can
understand.
The
lay
person
can
understand-
and
I
do
think
with
the
respect
to
the
report
outs
at
the
civic
association
meetings.
It's
one
thing
to
read
the
incident
reports.
It's
another
thing
to
say
in
this
area.
B
Domestic
violence
is
going
down.
You
know,
property
crime
is
going
up,
so
some
of
these
trends
and
analysis
could
be
very
useful
and
I
think
the
the
advisory
board
could
be
helpful
to
the
department,
not
only
in
informing
what
could
come
out,
but
also
in
helping
create
a
narrative
around
the
data,
particularly
for
residents
who
don't
have
time
to
do
it.
H
H
I'd
probably
go
to
you
know
three
or
four
community
meetings
a
night
on
zoom
anyway,
and
in
the
first
person
that
speaks
at
the
community
meeting
is
usually
the
cso
from
the
boston
police
and
they
give
a
update
on
as
what
council
campbell
mentioned,
the
crime
stats
and
what's
what's
happening
in
a
particular
particular
neighborhood
and
residents
and
residents,
enjoy
get
a
lot
out
of
that
briefing.
They
want
to
know
exactly
what's
happening.
H
H
Do
we
know
based
on
evidence
or
data,
how
effective
they
are
in
terms
of
working
with
residents
on
particular
issues
or
as
compared
to
not
having
a
cso
at
a
certain
neighborhood?
I
know
that
I
know
we
have
them
in
all
neighborhoods
or
csos
that
are
more
engaged
or
more
active,
but
I'm
just
wanted
to
get
kind
of
an
overall
of
the
cso
program,
and
I
have
I
think
it
should
be
expanded.
M
Well,
tulsa,
we
don't
have
any
data
on
how
effective,
but
we
do
know
that
they
are
very
effective,
particularly
creating
that
relationship
sharing
the
information
also
providing
mechanism
how
to
access
solutions
to
those
problems,
whether
you
know
crime
tips
or
contacting
other
city
agencies.
We
try
to
work
in
partnership
with
everybody
so
that
you
know
the
particular
crime
that's
happening
in
that
neighborhood
is,
you
know,
resolved
like
you
said
you
can't
fix
a
problem
until
you
recognize
it
and
that's
part
of
the
whole
process.
So
it's
brought
to
the
police
department.
M
D
H
The
activists
I
just
basically
like
to
ask
the
same
question:
can
you
talk
about
some
of
your
experiences
working
with
the
cso
team,
and
I
know
it's.
This
hearing
is
based
on
crime
stats,
but
what
impact
in
your
opinion,
are
we
having
for
the
csos
interacting
closely
with
residents,
especially
as
they
provide
their
crime,
stats
and
crime
data
at
these
neighborhood
meetings?.
C
I'm
happy
to
just
briefly
say
from
citizens
for
juvenile
justice.
We
have
not,
as
a
organization
use
that
as
a
opportunity
for
community
engagement.
We
do
convene
a
organization,
a
a
coalition
statewide
of
organizations
working
in
the
juvenile
justice
space,
more
than
60
organizations
to
help
inform
our
especially
our
advocacy
agenda
that
are,
you
know
much
closer,
but
but
we
take
that
we
take
that
point.
I
know
I
as
a
boston
resident
myself.
C
M
H
H
The
csos
can
help
us
bridge
that
gap.
They
have
credibility
in
the
neighborhood
people,
respect
them,
they're,
interacting
with
kids
at
sports
games
at
basketball,
cookouts,
especially
district
councillors,
know
the
critical
role
cso's
play
in
our
city,
because
we
we
deal
with
them
several
times
a
week.
So
if,
if,
if
I'm
able
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
recommendation,
I
would
like
all
of
us
to
interact
and
learn
more
about
the
csl
program.
Now.
Thank
you,
council
campbell
for
letting
me
stay
on
for
an
extra
minute.
Thank
you.
Council
campaign.
B
G
G
I
also
just
want
to
urge
us
to
really
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
different
languages,
right
interpretation
and
translation
are
really
key,
and
I
this
is
my
broken
record.
I
always
talk
about
the
fact
that
not
everybody
knows
how
to
read
and
write
even
in
their
native
language.
We
know
that
the
school
to
prison
pipeline
starts.
G
So
the
use
of
audio
and
visual
clips
are
going
to
be
really
important
as
we
disseminate
this
information,
and
so
that's
my
broken
record.
That's
all
I
talk
about
in
every
space
that
I'm
in
is
that
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
super
mindful
of
the
fact
that
not
everybody
knows
how
to
read
and
write
and
so
just
really
making
sure
that
we
communicate
in
ways
that
everybody
can
access
the
data.
Thank
you.
B
P
B
L
A
Go
ahead.
Yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
again
express
gratitude
for
the
fact
that
this
hearing
happened
at
all
today.
I
know
I
have
learned
a
lot.
I'm
really
grateful
to
those
from
the
administration
and
from
do
it
for
coming
and
sharing
kind
of
updates.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
flag
that
this
moment
seems
like
it's
a
perfect
moment
to
be
re-examining
what
exactly
is
happening
with
this
database.
A
So
you
know
if
we're
taking
the
time
to
potentially
partner
with
mark
43
and
put
out
a
new
public
sort
of
data
visualization
center,
and
it
sounds
like
doit-
is
doing
really
great
work
around
incorporating
unit
testing
and
all
sorts
of
great
kind
of
automated
ways
to
improve
the
quality
of
the
database.
I
just
would
flag
that
we
should
be
using
this
moment
also
to
think
about
not
just
restoring
the
database
to
where
it
was
in
the
past,
but
how
to
make
it
even
better.
A
If
we're
trying
to
understand
the
racially
potentially
racially
disparate
impacts
of
policing
in
different
locations
across
the
city,
so
I
would
urge
both
the
administration
and
do
it
and
mark
43
and
whoever
kind
of
is
pulling
pulling
the
puppet
strings
as
we're
reinstating
this
database
to
include
new
information,
specifically
release
and
those
sorts
of
things.
Additionally,
counselor
flynn
raised
the
question
of
community
support
officers.
B
C
I
second
everything
that
lauren
said
first
to
thank
you
for
the
hearing
and
certainly
to
the
administration
and
department
for
for
being
here
to
discuss
this
openly
and
the
race
gender
et
cetera.
I
would
add
one
other
point
to
that
that
there
are
a
couple
of
databases
that
are
public
facing
from
the
police.
C
It
would
be
very
powerful
to
understand
which
of
these
incidents.
We're
talking
about
in
this
database
were
arose
from
an
fio
and
which
of
them
led
to
an
arrest
which
of
them
led
to
something
else
right,
some
some
level
of
being
able
to
really
understand
not
just
these
as
separate
things,
but
these
are
all
things
the
police
are
doing
and
you're
collecting
data
on
all
of
them.
So
what
unified
way
now
there
could
be
privacy
concerns
around
that,
and
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
that
may
be.
C
You
know
that
should
be
considered
in
in
combining
different
types
of
data,
but
we've
been
thinking
about
this
in
somewhat
siloed
ways
because,
based
on
the
data
that's
presented
to
us,
but
there
there
is
an
opportunity,
as
lauren
was
suggesting
to
really
think
in
a
more
integrated
way
to
understand
what
is
the
role
of
the
police
on
the
ground
and
the
impact
of
those
you
know
and
not
to
mention
9-1-1
right.
What
what
is
the
source
of
of
of
a
call
an
incident?
C
And
then
what
is
the
the
outcome
and
and
again
we're
just
talking
about
police?
We
would
love
to
see
cooperation
from
boston
with
other
actors
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
including
the
the
county,
d.a
and
the
courts,
and,
as
was
mentioned,
you
know,
dys
and
other
state
bodies
for
sort
of
deeper
end
criminal
justice.
C
So
that
would
that
would
be
my
my
last
thing:
what
an
opportunity
to
to
build
on
the
strong
public-facing
work
and
to
build
on
the
infrastructure
and-
and
you
know,
smarts
and
commitment
of
of
data
transparency.
And
let's
not
have
you
know,
let's
not
have
these
multiple
databases
leave
us
in
a
sort
of
data
translucent
space?
Let's
really
have
it
be
a
data
transparent
space.
I
And
again,
thank
you
all
so
much
just
for
convening
and
having
this
important
conversation
this
morning
again
as
well,
just
uplifting
and
affirming
lauren's
point
regarding
age
and
race
and
ethnicity
being
included
as
an
organization
advocates
for
young
people
from
birth
to
25.
Obviously,
we
would
be
interested
in
this
information
broken
out
by
age.
It's
really
important
to
understand
neighborhoods
and
communities
where
young
people
are
interacting
in
a
high
level,
with
law
enforcement.
I
That
sort
of
information
would
allow
us
to
really
take
a
close
look
to
see
are
those
neighborhoods
and
community
getting
adequate
supports
and
services
for
those
young
people.
It
would
allow
us
to
connect
with
the
county
district
attorney's
office
and
look
at
diversion
and
say:
okay,
we
understand
overall
you're
diverting
a
lot
of
cases,
but
is
diversion
being
deployed
equitably,
particularly
in
neighborhoods
and
communities.
They
have
this
high
rate
of
interaction
between
young
people
and
law
enforcement.
So,
by
adding
that
layer
it
enables
us
to
really
look
deeper
at.
I
Are
we
really
providing
the
support
and
services
in
a
developmentally
appropriate
way
for
our
young
people,
the
race
and
ethnicity?
Incredibly
important,
it
honors
the
voices
of
communities
within
boston
that
are
really
asking
and
demanding
for
that
level
of
transparency,
but
also
our
recent
policing
legislation
had
a
section
section
83
regarding
bias,
free
policing.
I
The
way
we
know
in
which
our
police
department
is
honoring.
The
spirit
of
that
law
is
eventually
at
some
point
having
that
data
broken
out
by
race
so
again,
adding
those
fields
will
really
allow
us
not
only
just
to
see
this
information
but
really
ensure
that
our
policies
and
practices
are
where
they
should
be,
and,
most
importantly,
that
all
citizens
of
boston
are
really
adequately
supported
and
honored
and
served.
Q
Yes,
good
morning,
abergal
forester
here
I
wanna
just
say
that
this
is
a
great
hearing
to
you,
know
and
recognize
all
the
city
councils
here
that
are
you
really
having
this?
This
really
important
conversation
about?
You
know
how
data
is
captured
so
that
we
can
make
a
difference
in
the
community
want
to
recognize
my
friend
and
and
close
buddy
leon
smith
and
the
work
that
cfj
continues
to
do
to
really
lift
up
data
and
the
importance
of
data
and
understanding
and
analyzing
how
best
our
community
is
being
served.
Q
But
I
just
like
to
go
back
really
quickly:
counselor
campbell
to
council
clarity's
question
about
community
police
and
in
the
csos,
because
I
think
that
if
young
people
were
on
this
hearing,
they
would
have
a
totally
different
response
around
the
csos
and
the
impact
on
the
community.
Just
in
the
sense
that
a
lot
of
times
the
csos
are
the
friendly
officers
right.
Q
They
are
the
officers
that,
like
the
community
all
already
knows,
and
that
we're
familiar
with,
but
how
those
csos
and
that
liaison
of
policing
is
making
a
difference
in
the
community
is
really
not
as
impactful
as
we
would
like.
It
to
be
why?
Because
in
most
cases,
we're
not
getting
to
the
officers
who
are
really
causing
the
problems
in
our
community.
Q
The
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
I'm
a
part
of
the
office
of
public
safety's,
weekly
wednesday
public
safety
meetings
and
the
interesting
thing
is
that
you
know
for
most
of
us.
We
get
re-traumatized
in
the
beginning
of
those
meetings,
because
we
get
downloaded
a
bunch
of
incident
reports
right
how
many
guns,
how
many
people
got
shot
all
the
stuff
that
we
see
on
the
news.
What
I've
been
trying
to
do
as
as
the
leader
of
an
organization
that
is
really
important
to
our
community.
Q
Q
Sorry
and
actually
the
response
from
the
bpd
that's
on
about
how
well
it's
working
I'm
like
wait
a
minute
I
couldn't
sit
here
and
have
my
young
people
know
that
I
was
in
this
space
and
not
really
remarked
at
the
fact
that
we
had
to
as
an
organization
take
a
step
back
from
police
dialogues,
because
young
people
feel
like
it's
just
been
a
check
the
box
process
and
not
really
moving
any
agenda
to
keep
them
safer
in
the
community.
So
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
work
in
the
community
on
behalf
of
young
people,
and
I
think
it
just
goes
to
the
the
importance
of
not
only
having
you
guys
at
the
table
and
like
the
the
meeting
you're
talking
about.
I
know
very
well,
but
I'm
empowering
you
when
you're
at
that
table,
to
inform
what
we're
doing
right,
how
we're
responding,
what
the
policy
is
going
to
be,
how
we're
changing
policy
practice
and
culture
not
just
receiving
your
thoughts
and
ideas,
writing
it
on
paper
and
then
leaving
but
actually
being
able
to
respond.
B
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work
you
do
every
single
day
and
on
the
csos.
Most
of
those
are
the
folks
that
come
to
the
meetings
they're
the
ones
interacting,
but
it's
not
the
folks
from
the
gang
unit.
It's
not
the
fight
for
task
force
or
strike
force
unit
or
other
units.
Homicide
detectives,
unless
those
detectives,
for
example,
live
in
matapan
or
dorchester
and
community
for
your
exactly
right
and.
Q
Q
That's
with
black
folks,
and
I
think
that
there's
there
needs
to
be
some
level
of
diversity
and
thinking
about
how
officers
patrol
the
community
so
that
there's
some
balance,
there's
a
level
of
anxiety
and
frustration
that
comes
in
just
being
pulled
over
and
seeing
three
white
detectives
who
are
approaching
you.
So
all
of
these
little
integral
pieces
of
policing,
I
think,
are
very
significant
as
well
as
we
think
about
the
larger
aspects
of
police
reform.
B
G
I
know
I'm
sorry,
I'm
like
all
in
this
conversation,
it's
so
great
to
have
teen
empowerment
in
the
house.
As
always
such
an
incredible,
not
thought
just
thought
partner,
but
an
accountability
partner,
and
I
think
to
your
point,
council
campbell.
It's
not
just
like.
Oh
great,
thank
you
for
sharing
that,
but
we
need
to
have
metrics
and
hold
ourselves
accountable
to
what
information
is
being
shared
and
how
what,
if
we're
doing
our
dual
diligence
to
respond
to
to
what
the
people
are
bringing
to.
G
So
I
really
do
appreciate
your
comment
on
that,
but
I
also
just
wanted
to
just
say
in
terms
of
just
this
whole
conversation
is,
and
I'm
glad
council
campbell
you
mentioned.
It
is
the
intersection
of
trauma
and
the
vicarious
trauma,
as
it
is
to
all
of
this
right.
So
for
me
you
know,
I'm
a
woman,
I'm
a
woman
of
color.
G
If
we
look
at
how
many
people
feel
that
way,
then
we
might
need
to
look
at
how
we
need
to
increase
the
budget
for
trauma
and
informed
practices
and
and
all
that
good
stuff.
So
I
just
kind
of
want
to
name
that
here
in
this
space,
as
it
relates
to
data,
because
it's
a
it's
a
data
point
worth
collecting,
because
I
know
it'll
it'll
tell
us
a
lot
about
how
the
everyday
folk
feel
when
they're
driving
through
the
city
of
boston.
B
B
Well,
we're
going
to
wrap
this
hearing
up.
I
want
to
thank
my
council
colleagues
again
for
attending
all
of
the
panelists,
including
folks
from
the
administration
for
being
here
for
listening.
Taking
these
ideas
back
right
to
work
on
we'll
definitely
stay
in
contact
with
each
and
every
one
of
you
on
these
pressing
issues
and
to
the
community
based
organizations.
B
Thanks
for
the
work
you
guys
do
every
day,
I
know
many
of
you
are
under
resource
understaffed,
so
we
appreciate
all
of
the
work
you
guys
do
and
for
reaching
out
to
us
to
be
and
continue
to
be
partners
in
the
work.
Everyone
please
continue
to
take
care
of
yourselves
and
we
will
see
you
at
the
next
hearing
in
conversation.
The
hearing
is
adjourned
and
shane
and
kerry.
Thank
you
so
much
and
ellie.
Thank
you
as
well.