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Description
Small Business & Professional Licensure Hearing - Docket #0171 - Order for a hearing regarding diversifying cannabis models.
A
Good
afternoon
everyone
we're
out
chair
of
the
committee
on
Small,
Business
and
Professional
licensure.
It
is
Thursday
April,
20th,
2023,
happy
4,
20
everyone-
and
we
are
here
today
for
remote
hearing
on
docket
number
0171
order
for
a
hand
regarding
Diversified
cannabis
models.
This
matter
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
January
11
2023.,
the
sponsored
the
docket
number
zero
one,
seven
one.
A
It's
counselor
Julia
Mejia
in
accordance
with
chapter
two
of
the
acts
of
2023
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law
and
reliving
relieving
public
bodies
of
certain
requirements,
including
the
requirement
that
public
bodies
conduct
this
unit
in
a
public
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing
virtually
via
zoom
and
is
being
recorded.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities
while
ensuring
public
access
to
its
deliberations
through
adequate
alternative
means.
A
The
public
may
watch
this
hearing
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
backslash,
City,
Dash,
Council,
Dash
TV,
and
on
Xfinity
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RCN
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It
would
also
be
rebroadcasted
at
a
later
date.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
at
boston.gov.
It
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors
public.
Testimony
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
this
Hammer
if
you
wish
to
sign
up
for
public
testimony
and
have
not
done
so.
A
Please
email,
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Cobb
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at
boston.gov,
put
a
link
in
your
name
will
be
added
to
the
list.
This
after
afternoon,
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues,
the
original
co-sponsor
Council
Julia,
Mejia
and
council
president
Flynn,
and
we
have
received
a
letter
from
our
chief
of
Economic
Opportunity
inclusion,
Chief
Edward,
which
I'll
read
into
record.
A
Would,
however,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
and
members
of
The
Economic,
Opportunity
and
inclusion
cabinet
the
opportunity
to
share
our
perspective
on
docket
number
zero
one,
seven
one
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
diversifying
candidate
cannabis
models.
We
appreciate
the
sponsor
of
this
hearing
order.
Council
Julia
Mejia
for
introducing
this
matter,
as
it
has
been
part
of
the
ongoing
work
of
the
cabinet
to
expand
opportunities
for
participation
in
the
legal
cannabis
industry.
A
As
you
know,
the
vision
of
our
cabinet
is
one
of
resilient
economic,
Equitable,
sustainable,
vibrant
City
that
centers
people
and
creates
opportunities
to
build
generational
wealth.
We
are
also
committed
to
employing
all
strategies
to
help
Revitalize
the
Boston
economy,
as
we
emerge
from
the
covid-19
pandemic.
A
The
topic
of
this
hearing
today
is
one
that,
with
collaboration
with
this
body,
will
help
us
move
closer
to
realizing
this
Vision
participation
in
this
in
the
legal
cannabis
industry
can
be
an
important
way
of
Building,
Wealth
and
redressing
past
harms
on
communities
of
color
and
families
impacted
by
the
failed
War
on
Drugs
That's.
Why
the
Cannabis
Equity
team
within
our
business
strategy
unit,
has
been
working
during
the
during
the
year
since
legalization
to
promote
Pathways
into
the
industry,
including
providing
technical
assistance
and
Grant
support.
A
This
is
the
barrier
to
to
Great
many
who
seek
to
become
first-time
entrepreneurs
via
the
legal
cannabis
industry
and
is
impacting
the
city's
ability
to
ensure
that
racial
Equity
exists
throughout
all
parts
of
the
industry.
While
the
city
has
made
strides
to
provide
resources
to
entrepreneurs
to
open
their
first
or
second
storefront
via
initiative
like
the
Space
Program,
these
efforts
are
federally
funded
and
so
programs
like
this
cannot
support
cannabis
entrepreneurs.
A
member
of
our
team
has
equipped
has
quit
before
that.
A
The
people
who
profit
profited
most
during
the
Gold
Rush
are
those
who
sold
the
picks
in
the
accidents.
The
city
through
our
office
is
committed
to
ensuring
that
entrepreneurs
have
a
broad
understanding
of
all
the
opportunities
available
to
them
within
this
industry
and
to
supporting
their
efforts
to
start
or
scale
their
business
venture.
It
is
in
the
interest
of
the
city
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
corners
of
the
legal
cannabis
industry
are
robustly
supported,
have
healthy
competition
on
our
racially
Equitable
Equitable
throughout
our
teams.
A
Look
forward
to
the
discussion
on
this
matter
to
rolling
up
our
sleeves
and
working
with
the
city
council
to
spread
awareness
of
the
opportunity
and
resources
the
cities
is
providing
to
help
diversify
the
legal
cannabis
industry,
sincerely
sheep
of
Economic,
Opportunity
and
inclusion
here
at
the
city
of
Boston.
Now
I
would
open
up
open
statements
to
my
Council
colonies
in
order
of
arrival,
starting
with
the
original
co-sponsor
councilor
Julie
at
large
city,
councilor,
Julian
Mahia.
B
Thank
you,
Council
Burrell
and
before
I
get
started.
I
wanted
to
just
advise
Central
staff
that
we've
gotten
some
emails
from
folks
who
are
still
trying
to
get
the
email
link
so
just
wanted
to
flag
that
just
and
if
there's
anything
else
that
they
should
be
doing
aside
from
sending
an
email
to.
Let
us
know
on
air
so
that
they
can
do
what
they
need
to
do
to
get
on
here
for
public
testimony.
B
So
before
we
get
started,
I
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
and
thank
the
work
that
has
been
done
to
get
us
here
and
I.
Think
Council,
Morrell
and
sort
of
opening
remarks
that
you
made
from
Chief
you
who
really
sets
the
stage
for
the
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
on
to
get
here
and
I'm
so
incredibly
happy
that
counselor
then
Tito
Jackson
is
here
with
us
at
on
this
journey.
B
Still
I'm
so
happy
to
have
you
here,
as
as
a
panelist
and
I
also
want
to
uplift
the
work
that
there
may
Kim
Janie
City
councilor
than
our
mayor
has
also
done
in
collaboration
with
community
and
I.
Think
that,
as
we
continue
to
have
this
conversation,
we
really
are
looking
for
the
most
a
collaborative
approach
to
ensure
that
we
all
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
without
having
unintended
consequences
and
Jay.
B
You
have
pointed
out
in
the
past
that
in
the
policy
making
space
What
sometimes
might
look
good
on
paper
after
it
gets
implemented,
has
unintended
impact
so,
as
we
continue
to
have
this
conversation
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
that
front
and
center.
So
in
2016,
Massachusetts
voters
approved
question
four,
which
legalized
the
recreational
use
of
marijuana
for
individuals
aged
21
and
over.
It
was
a
step
to
promote
racial
Justice
and
address
the
inequities
created
by
the
criminalization
of
cannabis.
Use.
B
However,
and
we
know
this
individuals
who
had
mostly
have
been
mostly
greatly
impacted
by
the
Cannabis
industry
have
has
not
been
fully
had
had
the
opportunity
to
fully
benefit
from
the
new
industry,
just
in
just
six
percent.
Okay,
six
percent
of
marijuana
businesses
in
Massachusetts
are
owned
by
people
who
identify
as
black
or
African-American
according
to
the
Massachusetts
cannabis
Control
Commission.
B
One
major
issue
is
the
high
cost
of
entry
into
the
legal
cannabis
industry,
including
licensing
fees,
real
estate
costs
and
compliance
expenses,
which
is
creative,
significant
barriers
for
small
businesses
and
entrepreneurs
for
low-income
communities.
It
has
led
to
a
concentration
of
ownership
and
control
in
the
hands
of
smaller
number
of
well-funded,
predominantly
white
owned
businesses,
while
many
people
from
communities
of
color
have
been
left
out
of
the
industry.
B
Individuals
from
disadvantaged
backgrounds
often
do
not
have
access
to
necessary
Capital
to
be
able
to
explore
cannabis
businesses
in
the
same
way,
wealthier
individuals
can
applicants
looking
to
receive
approval
from
the
city,
need
to
secure
a
retail
location
and
begin
paying
for
rent
on
that
location
before
they
can
even
set
up
shop.
This
means
that
individuals
must
pay
pricey
retail
space
rent
in
Boston,
and
we
know
how
difficult
that
is
before
they
can
ever
even
make
their
first
sale.
B
The
process
of
opening
up
a
marijuana
establishment
can
take
months,
meaning
that
individuals
must
commit
their
time.
This
is
a
significant
barrier,
as
we
know
that
Minority
individuals
must
support
their
families
and
they
cannot
do
wait
for
cash
to
you
know
to
cash
a
check
in
the
future.
Another
obstacle
in
the
current
model
continues
to
be
the
fact
that
individuals
convicted
of
a
felon
offenses,
such
as
distribution,
are
disqualified
from
participating
in
the
current
model
of
the
Cannabis
industry.
B
Instead
of
fostering
entrepreneurship
and
Rehabilitation,
the
model
perpetuates
existing
social
economic
inequities
so
that
individuals,
most
impacted
by
the
War
on
Drugs,
continue
to
shut
out
are
continue
to
be
shut
out
of
the
industry.
The
current
model
of
a
cannabis
industry
lacks
awareness
of
existing
issues
and
challenges
that
need
to
be
addressed
to
create
a
more
responsible,
sustainable
and
Equitable
industry.
B
Diversifying
the
Cannabis
model
would
allow
individuals
with
less
resources
and
entry
into
the
industry,
allowing
them
to
get
their
foot
into
the
door
literally.
It
would
also
promote
creativity
and
accessibility
and
but,
and
it
is
Boston's
responsibility
to
level
the
playing
field
for
all
participants
and
encourage
wealth
building
in
the
most
vulnerable
communities
and
I'll
just
say
before.
I
turn
it
over
back
to
the
chair
is
that
this
whole
idea
came
about.
B
Last
year
we
passed
residential
kitchens
in
the
city
of
Boston
as
an
ordinance
to
allow
small
businesses
to
be
able
to
incubate
in
their
homes
because
they
couldn't
afford
to
open
up
a
brick
and
mortar.
They
couldn't
afford
a
food
truck,
but
we
found
a
way
to
create
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
be
able
to
build
their
businesses
and
at
least
get
a
leg
up
and
start.
It
was
through
that
work
that
we
were
inspired.
What
other
ways
can
we
utilize
this
model
to
help
expand
and
diversify
the
Cannabis
industry?
B
A
C
Let's
also
factor
in
you
know,
let's
support
that
owner,
but
let's
not
try
to
establish
another
cannabis,
location
and
nearby
owner,
because
establishing
another
cannabis
establishment
near
that
owner
of
color
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
that
owner
in,
in
my
opinion,
it's
just
something
to
think
about.
I
want
I,
want
the
cover.
I
want
the
owners
to
be
successful.
C
I
want
the
owners
of
especially
the
owners
of
color
to
be
successful,
but
when
we,
when
we
have
an
owner
of
color
or
a
woman
that
owns
an
establishment
and
when
someone
is
coming
to
propose
an
establishment
close
to
the
that
owner
of
Kawa,
we
should
consider
that
as
a
factor
in
in
our
decision
making
something
to
think
about.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
for
giving
me
a
couple
of
minutes.
D
D
So
I
know
that
there's
more
work
to
do
here
and
want
to
come
on
my
colleagues
for
their
work.
They
definitely
needs
to
be
some
regulatory
flexibility
if
we
do
want
to
live
out
the
dreams
and
objectives
of
of
this
industry,
while
not
setting
anyone
up
for
failure
right,
not
making
not
not
leading
I.
Think
councilor
Flynn
was
alluding
to
this
council.
President
Flynn
oversaturation
is
not
going
to
help
anyone
if
people
aren't
able
to
compete
competitively
if
markets
and
areas
are
oversaturated.
D
So
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
this
discussion,
I'm
sure
someone
has
already
made
a
420
joke,
so
I
won't
do
it,
but
great
alignment
of
when
this
is
happening,
and
just
thank
my
colleagues
for
having
this
hearing
hello
to
former
city,
councilor
Tito
Jackson,
and
congratulations
on
the
opening
of
of
your
dispenser,
your
spot,
Apex,
Noir
and
there's
so
many
on
here,
who
are
also
just
been
starting
up
their
own
spot.
So
just
congratulations
to
everyone.
A
These
folks
have
spent
the
last
decade
watching
the
very
business
that
led
to
their
incarceration
become
a
larger
legal
and
highly
profitable,
profitable
industry.
Those
who
were
in
jail
were
left
on
the
sidelines
while
wealthier,
better
connected
and
often
white
account
counterparts
dominate
the
industry
in
the
scene.
None
of
this
comes
as
a
surprise.
I
mean
course.
Correction
will
require
that
we
look
at
all
aspects
of
this
new
industry
that
do
work
to
reduce
barriers
of
entry
for
all
entrepreneurs,
but
especially
for
those
unfairly
targeted
under
previous
policies.
A
Boston
does
better
when
our
residents
have
a
fair
shot.
We
as
the
city
council
owed
to
our
constituents
to
ensure
that
they
have
adequate
Pathways.
It
does
not
depend
upon
the
skin,
color
or
wealth
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
and
thank
Council
Mejia
and
for
her
leadership
and
everyone
here
joining
us
today
to
join
on
this
conversation.
A
The
gal,
please
correct
me:
executive
director
of
Commonwealth
kitchen
Jess,
similian,
owner
and
CEO
of
Loki
LLC,
all
right,
Jeanette,
Cook,
CEO,
founder
of
Queen
cures
and
Leslie
Delaney
Hawkins
partner
at
Prince,
Lobel,
chair
of
the
firms,
firms,
restaurant
and
hospitality
industry.
So
we'll
start
first
with
Tomas
Gonzalez
this
presentation,
everyone
will
have.
A
F
F
It
is
a
location
that
basically
speaks
directly
to
the
impact
that
prohibition
has
had
on
black
and
brown
communities
across
the
country
and
get
ready
for
our
second
exhibit,
which
is
called
the
Caribbean
impact,
but
our
location
for
day
one
has
always
sort
of
dealt
with
this
issue
and
try
to
be
a
platform
that
for
these
discussions,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
of
Boston.
Last
year
we
had
the
opportunity
to
host
the
Boston
cannabis,
101.
I
think
that
was
a
great
precursor
to
a
lot
of
these
conversations.
F
It's
a
top-down
approach
in
many
ways
and
in
many
areas,
but
it
is
definitely
a
goal
that
needs
to
be
sort
of
Taken
on
and
changed.
If
we're
looking
at
how
to
move
this
industry
forward,
the
sheer
fact
that
those
numbers
alone
don't
help
our
cause
and
only
speak
to
sort
of
the
disparities
that
already
exist.
Then
we
all
know
so
that's
my
presentation
for
today
so
I'll
yield.
My
time
do.
I
have.
A
G
G
Nothing
wrong
with
the
45
minute
presentation,
but
so
first
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
as
well
as
councilmania
for
bringing
this
very
important
issue
to
the
Forefront.
It
is
something
that
is
critical
that
we
continue
to
watch
to
watch
and
there
are
a
bunch
of
different
mechanations
that
are
are
occurring
in
our
space,
so
I
do
want
to
Tomas
drop
some
knowledge
on
you,
guys,
relative
to
the
employee
side.
G
I
would
say,
I'm
really
proud
that
80
of
my
employees
are
bipoc
and
20
of
them
have
a
quarry
and
we
actually
are
are
proactively
query
friendly.
We
advertise
ourselves
to
be
query
friendly
on
purpose,
but
it
is
also
there
are
some
very
real
challenges
that
we
have
and
I
heard.
Councilor
Flynn
bring
up
one
of
the
challenges,
which
is
the
issue
of
location.
G
There
are
200
feet
from
me:
I
have
another
one
two
blocks
up:
the
street
I
then
have
another
one:
that's
going
to
be
opening
and
they're
friends
of
mine,
but
it's
Devonshire
and
Water
Street
and
then
and
then
there
was
recently
one
approved
in
Faneuil
Hall.
So
we
and
then
in
addition,
there's
one
at
French
Street
and
then
in
addition,
there's
one
at
at
the
corner
of
milk
and
and
Washington
Street.
Why
does
this
matter?
G
G
So
those
those
employees
that
I
told
you
about
when
we
highly
concentrate
folks
in
areas
such
as
this,
it
actually
takes
away
from
our
ability
to
do
something
that
Tomas
and
I
do
kind
of,
naturally,
which
is
actually
hire
people
of
color
Elevate
people
of
color
and
give
them
opportunities
to
be
able
to
open
up
additional
businesses,
because
we
actually
are
the
we.
We
have
a
program
where
we
actually
invest
in
our
own
folks
abilities
to
open
businesses,
kind
of
different
than
most
corporate
jobs.
G
So
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical
that
the
council
weigh
in
and
give
guidance
on
on
this
component
about
the
hyper
concentration
of
licenses
in
a
specific
area,
because
it
definitely
is
of
detriment
and
negatively
affects
businesses
owned
by
people
of
color
and
I
would
know.
There
are
no
white-owned
businesses
that
have
this
I
shouldn't
say
no
most
of
those
businesses
don't
have
the
same
level
of
concentration,
but
and
also
I'm,
not
a
multi-state
operator,
I'm,
someone
who's
from
the
city
of
Boston,
and
we
did
our
best
to
actually
get
get
here.
G
G
I
will
say
that
one
more
time
because
it
hurts
it's
a
50
state
federal
tax
and
over
20
low
state
state
tax.
So
the
and
and
two
years
ago,
when
I
thought
I
would
open
wholesale
pounds
were
four
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
a
piece
we
are
now
in
a
day
and
age
where
those
are
around
thirteen
hundred
bucks,
a
piece.
Why
does
that
matter?
G
Because
the
huge
green
Rush
that
folks
thought
were
was
going
to
come
did
come
for
some
who
were
open
early,
but
the
margins
are
much
Slimmer
than
they
they
were
so
I.
Think
that's.
Another
component.
I
would
also
note
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
let
was
left,
undone
and
I'll
close
with
this
is
that
those
who
are
not
in
the
equity
program
get
to
sell
their
license
if
they
wanted
to.
G
G
G
But
what
we
should
have
is
people
two
two
years,
three
years
four
years,
I,
don't
know
what
the
the
time
frame
is.
People
operating
their
business,
but
they
should
actually
have
an
opportunity
if
they
met
the
qualifications
and
had
the
opportunity
not
to
potentially
make
an
exit,
which
would
then
create
an
opportunity
for
wealth
to
be
built
in
in
our
communities
the
detriment
if
we
can't
sell
and
the
market
goes
down
and
goes
away.
G
One
of
the
things
that
you
also
need
to
note,
because
we
are
federally
illegal,
we
are
actually
not
allowed
to
file
for
bankruptcy
and
so
there's
not
an
actual
normal
business
exit.
So
it's
basically
you
got
to
make
it
make
it
work
or
or
not,
and
so
all
of
that
said
it's
1.5
to
5
million
bucks
to
get
into
this
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
these
are
dollars
that
don't
come
from
Banks
and
you
know
for
Tomas
and
I
and
I
can't
speak
for
everyone.
G
G
These
are
real
folks
whose
money
is
actually
on
on
the
line,
and
that's
why
I
I
have
to
speak
about
on
these
issues
and
the
issue
of
the
buffer
zone
and
the
like,
because
we
not
only
are
negatively
affecting
me,
but
it
also
ripples
out
into
the
range
of
real
people.
Who've
taken
real
money
that
matters
to
them
to
be
able
to
invest.
G
So
I
would
hope
that
the
council
is
is
able
to
step
forward
on
many
of
these
topics
and
issues
and
props
to
councilmania
for
beginning
to
think
of
innovative
models.
And
how
folks
can
do
this?
I
see
Jen
Faygo
on
I
think
there's
a
possibility
of
that
type
of
innovation,
with
some
thing
that
kind
of
works
with
the
CCC,
the
centralization
component
and
for
them
to
deal
with
all
of
those
mechanations
but
I
think
there's
a
there
is
a
place
for
some
Innovation
Lastly.
G
Lastly,
we
need
to
focus
on
and
lead
on
social
consumption
in
the
city
of
Boston.
It
is
a
social
justice
issue
because
understand
if
any
of
your
your
your
folks
are
in
a
Section,
8
housing.
If
they
get
caught
consuming,
they
could
actually
get
kicked
out
of
their
housing
and
not
be
able
to
apply
for
that
program
for
at
least
two
years.
So
we
have
created
a
legal,
a
legalized
space,
and
this
is
equivalent
1929.
Let's
say
alcohol
is
legal.
With
no
bars
we
have
an
opportunity
to
actually
create
additional
tax
revenue.
G
Additional
jobs,
additional
experience
by
having
a
social
consumption
in
its
broadest
form,
I,
would
submit
to
you.
People
who
are
doing
infused
massages
should
be
considered
social
consumption.
I
will
submit
to
you
people
who
are
doing
infused
yoga,
which
that
won't
be
me
but
I
Infuse
yoga
that
should
be
there
and
I'll
also
submit
that
even
having
an
infused,
restaurant
and
people
being
able
to
consume.
If
we're
actually
being
real
about
dealing
with
issues
around
the
what's
happening
in
the
illicit
Market
on
that
is
actually
something
that's.
G
That
is
a
real
piece
and
we
should
actually
pull
it
in
control
it
and
make
sure
that
we
have
those
opportunities
I.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
come
before
on
this
board
and
I
want
to
be
your
partner
in
in
this
and
be
helpful
in
any
way
that
I
can,
because
this
is
real
and
again
a
huge
shout
out
for
420
and
huge
shout
out
to
the
amazing
folks
that
work
on
my
team,
who
gave
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
wonderful
grand
opening
this
weekend.
A
I
Thank
you,
everyone,
and,
and
yes,
that
the
the
presentation
that
that
Jeff
is
about
to
share
with
everyone
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
to
to
see
and
and
and
it's
pretty
impressive
and
I'm
in
full
support
of
it.
Everybody.
My
name
is
Ty
Gomes,
first
and
foremost,
I'm
a
father,
a
native
of
Massachusetts
I'm,
a
cannabis
entrepreneur.
I
am
a
transplant.
You
know,
I
live
in
California
I
have
for
a
long
time,
I've
been
in
the
Cannabis
industry
for
12
years.
I
I
have
an
expertise
on
the
retail
side,
commercial
cultivation,
product
manufacturing
and
cannabis
licensing
been
doing
cannabis
licensing
for
almost
five
years
now,
a
co-founder
of
a
bunch
of
projects
in
the
Cannabis
space,
Albert
Einstein's,
being
one
of
them
three
licenses
that
were
secured
right.
When
the
rec
program
rolled
out
in
California,
El,
blento,
Simply,
Stone
Age
show
Hill
lab
x,
black
mule.
You
know
these
are
projects
that
I
was
a
part
of
that
I
founded
and
as
mentioned
on
Greenline
Business
Solutions.
I
So
most
of
my
work
with
Greenlight
Business
Solutions,
which
is
my
focus
these
days,
has
been
helping
people
to
navigate
licensing.
So
I'm
very
aware
of
the
challenges
that
are
there:
the
barriers,
the
financial
component
actually
navigating
licensing,
and
then
the
real
estate
component
I
participated
with
green
light
in
Massachusetts
Social
Equity
program
as
a
as
an
instructor
since
the
first
cohort.
I
So
I
have
a
lot
of
perspective
and
that's
kind
of
the
angle
that
I'm
coming
from
I'm
honored
to
be
invited
to
this
panel.
Appreciative
I'm
excited
that
you
guys
are
talking
about
these
things.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
discuss
with
the
ideas
might
be
polarizing
and
that's
okay,
I
think
they're
supposed
to
be,
but
I
think
there.
There
are
opportunities
to
deal
with
all
of
the
issues
that
I
brought
up
today,
especially
this
concept
of
undue
concentration
that
really
affects
retail
the
most.
I
I
I
believe
that
we
can
create
a
lot
of
opportunity
in
establishing
a
pathway
for
cannabis
co-location
and
maybe
that
doesn't
work
for
retail,
but
I
know
that
it
works
for
models
like
cultivation
and
product
manufacturing,
because
it's
actually
happening
in
almost
every
cannabis
market.
Right
now,
it's
just
not
happening
in
a
way.
That's
licensed
and
regulated.
It's
happening
legally
compliantly
and
successfully
it's
allowing
businesses
to
enter
into
the
space
and
be
competitive
without
having
to
deal
with
all
the
barriers.
I
So
imagine
there
was
a
facility,
they
are
all
expensive,
but
imagine
if
there
was
one
that
was
big
enough
to
house
multiple
license
holders
so
essentially,
you'd
have
to
either
create
another
license
type
or
modify
a
license
type
that
allows
a
person
to
co-locate
and
they
would
share
expenses.
You
know
they
would
share.
Like
traditional
costs
like,
like,
obviously
the
cost
of
the
facility,
but
like
ancillary
services
and
cleaning
services
and
insurance
and
equipment,
and
then
also
this
co-location
could
promote
collaboration.
I
Small
business
owners
could
share
their
ideas
and
their
networks
they
could.
They
could
share
their
knowledge
or
their
resources
right
to
provide
an
environment
where
they
could
actually
help.
Each
other
I
think
that
that
this
could
essentially
Fast
Track
or
create
a
pathway
for
people
that
don't
have
the
resources
just
kind
of
get
your
foot
in
the
door,
because
the
reality
is
there's
a
lot
of
learning
that
has
to
happen.
I
Getting
your
license
is
one
part,
one
challenge:
it's
like
a
whole
business
and
it
takes
forever
and
it's
really
expensive,
but
the,
but
the
other
part
is
once
once
an
Essie
participant
or
or
somebody
new
to
the
industry
gets
into
the
it
gets
into
the
space.
You
have
to
make
some
mistakes
the
hard
way
just
by
learning
just
by
doing
and
those
mistakes
can
be
costly.
I
So
if
we
can
mitigate
some
of
the
expenses,
if
we
can
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
people
to
experience
their
Growing
Pains
eventually,
maybe
they
can
get
out
of
a
co-location
or
an
incubator
and
get
their
own
facility
right.
So
this
is
a
concept
that
I
believe
in.
Obviously,
there
are
some
concerns
that
need
to
be
addressed
that
need
to
be
identified.
You
know
right
now,
like
security
and
and
presently
Municipal
zoning
regulations
and
potential
waste
water
management
issues.
I
There
are
some
issues
that
we
need
to
address,
however,
they're
not
insurmountable,
and
as
I
mentioned
this,
this
concept
is
already
happening.
It's
just
not
regulated
and
the
people
that
are
able
to
do
it.
It's
because
they
have
a
lot
of
experience,
but
if
we
were
to
kind
of
carve
out
a
pathway,
I
think
that
we'd
see
the
the
number
of
black
and
brown
individuals
women-owned.
I
You
know,
people
that
have
been
disproportionately
impacted,
I
think
we'll
see
a
lot
that
the
proportion
of
those
individuals
trying
to
get
into
the
industry
I
think
it'll
level
out
a
little
bit
more
and
also
by
encouraging
this
type
of
environment.
You
know
what
you
do.
Is
you
you
end
up
passing
on
the
burden
of
responsibility.
I,
think
it's
really
unreasonable
to
expect
any
organization
to
be
able
to
create
the
kind
of
momentum
that
will
offset.
I
That'll
offset
like
all
the
people
that
have
the
money,
all
the
people
that
have
the
knowledge
and
the
experience
right.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
a
an
opportunity
for
people
that
have
been
disproportionately
impacted
to
get
into
the
industry,
but
one
organization
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
on
its
own
you're,
going
to
have
to
have
the
people,
the
recipients
that
do
make
it
through
and
receive
Grace
they're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
pass
that
down.
Send
the
elevator
back
down,
extend
that
Olive
Branch.
I
So
if
we
can
do
that,
then
what
happens
is
we'll
end
up
creating
a
compounding
effect,
a
compounding
vehicle.
So
it's
not
all
on
the
SC
program
through
the
CCC,
actually
the
CCC
and
the
SC
program
in
Boston.
You
know
they
bless
one
person
and
that
person
turns
around
and
provides
an
opportunity
and
blesses
somebody
else.
That's
the
only
way.
You're
really
gonna
gonna
be
able
to
balance
the
skills.
If
you
will
I'll
digress.
Thank
you
very
much
honored
to
be
here
and
I'm
excited
to
share
my
ideas.
J
Hello:
everyone,
my
name
is
Jay
cook.
You
all
probably
know
me
either
through
Queen
cures
or
Alchemy
League,
which
is
the
provisional
license
for
recreational
and
medical
that
my
wife,
Leah
Daniels,
has
here
in
Massachusetts,
so
Boston
residents
born
and
raised
and
I
don't
want
to
really
repeat
a
lot
of
what's
said,
counselor
Flynn
I
want
to
first.
Thank
you
actually,
because
I
feel,
like
you
and
I,
and
Kim
Janey.
J
We
was
doing
this
a
few
years
back,
trying
to
make
things
happen
and
it
didn't
quite
work
out
exactly
the
way
we
planned.
But
the
one
thing
you
brought
up
was
having
businesses
on
top
of
one
another
and
Tito
mentioned
it
as
well,
and
that
is
that
what
needs
to
change
there
would
be
zoning
zoning
buffers
being
near
schools
being
near
liquor
stores
if
they
could
switch
that
up.
The
city
is
already
small,
so
if
they
could
make
changes
there,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
J
They
haven't
applied
for
a
license
to
any
municipality
or
through
any
state,
and
since
I
know
it's
a
public
hearing.
There
are
folks
on
and
it's
4
20
right,
so
happy
420.
If
we
can
just
have
a
little
bit
more
compassion
and
consideration
for
how
people
have
to
figure
out
how
to
get
through
the
industry.
Sometimes
it's
an
investor.
Sometimes
it's
Nana.
Sometimes
it's
putting
up
your
house,
it's
a
process
and
that's
one
thing
that
we
never
really
speak
about.
J
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
mention
us
highlighting
or
finding
ways
to
highlight
the
non-licensing
businesses,
meaning
trash
removal
and
recycle
apparel
packaging,
marketing
lighting,
there's
so
many
components
and
there's
so
many
pieces
in
this
industry
that
we
could
be
supporting
one
another
with
and
engaging
in
each
other's
businesses.
With
that
have
nothing,
you
never
have
to
touch
the
Cannabis
plan
at
all.
You
don't
have
to
open
a
dispenser.
J
You
don't
have
to
go
through
licensing
and
so
I
think
that
if
we
start
to
kind
of
Lay
It
All
Out
map
it
all
out
and
show
all
the
components
that
are
necessary
to
actually
get
a
company
up
and
running
will
realize
that
there
is
more
than
enough
for
everybody.
You
know
we
all
can
eat.
We
just
got
to
put
the
plan
together
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
work
together.
That's
all
I've
got.
K
Hey
good
evening,
everybody
good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
thank
you
all
for
having
me.
My
name
is
Jeff
similian
I'm,
the
CEO
of
Loki
dispensary.
We
are.
We
have
two
licenses
in
Boston.
Actually,
three
licenses,
two
retail
license,
one
in
Dorchester
and
one
in
West
Roxbury,
which
we
recently
received
two
weeks
ago
from
the
CCC.
K
K
Why
I'm
here
today
is
this
conversation
that
we
are
having
regarding
creating
a
you
know:
co-working
space
for
social
Equity,
licensee
holders
or
potential
licensee
holders
to
potentially
work
together
at
a
location,
so
I
have
a
presentation
that
I
created
with
when
our
team
members.
So
we
put
a
presentation
together
that
I
would
like
to
share
with
you
all
and
hope
you
find
it
in
interesting
and
based
on
what
Tai
and
everybody
is
talking
about.
But
this
is
something
that
we
put
together.
L
So
here
at
Loki
cultivation,
our
mission
is
to
create
an
inclusive
cannabis
industry
by
improving
access
to
the
information
and
resourcing
necessary
for
Transporters
to
start
grow
and
maintain
their
businesses.
We
believe
in
the
power
of
leveraging
valuable
connections
and
nearby
resources
to
transform
the
local
economy.
So,
in
summary,
who
are
we?
We
are
a
licensed
cannabis
distributor.
We
are
a
growing
team
of
Power
Players
with
a
proven
track
record
of
Business
Development
candidates,
expertise
and
Community
leaders,
okay,
but
this
one
I
really
want
to
emphasize.
L
We
aim
to
help
awesome
come
to
Silicon
Valley
of
the
Cannabis
industry,
so
Boston,
of
course,
is
known
for
the
human
to
human
Sciences,
biotech
Pharmaceuticals
technology
right
so
with
the
likes
of
Harvard
MIT
and
things
like
that,
but
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
introduced
to
this
new
market
segment
of
cannabis.
So
how
do
we
put
ourselves
and
put
the
city
in
position
to
dominate
and
become
known
as
the
ones
who
are
pushing
that
industry
forward?
So
that's
the
mission
I
think
that's
the
opportunity.
So
everything
in
this
presentation
is
about.
L
How
do
we
facilitate
that
process?
So
let's
talk
about
Market
condition.
So,
according
to
what
came
as
being
new
since
January
1st
2019,
because
the
industry
has
growth
in
Massachusetts
alone-
has
generated
1.8
billion
dollars
in
gross
sales
to
date.
Okay,
so
that
as
of
March
5th
2023,
but
this
is
the
point
that
I
think
is
really
really
good
to
key
in
on
licensed
cultivation.
L
So
I
think
that's
a
really
good
thing
to
point
out
being
that
we
could
be
the
first
okay,
also
Canada
retailer,
the
20011
retail
license
distributed
drive
that
shoots
is
in
11
stores
located
in
Boston,
so
they're
usually
market
for
it
right
but
like
how
do
we
put
this
infrastructure
together
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
Boston
is
an
active
participant
career
within
this
industry?
Okay,
so
that's
the
opportunity.
I
think
that's
something
that
is
really
really
cheap.
L
L
Now,
let's
talk
about
challenges
of
cannabis
right,
so,
although
Canada
is
barely
a
fairly
new
industry,
there
are
a
number
of
challenges
that
present
barriers
of
history
for
many
aspiring
and
activities
entrepreneurs.
So
we're
talking
about
licensing
and
admin
right.
We
talk
about
funding
and
overhead,
and
then
we
got
the
commercial
real
estate
aspect
right.
L
You
know
due
to
regulation.
There
are
many
licensing
and
administrative
requirements
that
report
that
requirements
to
sell
and
cultivate
cannabis.
This
requires
a
lot
of
time
right.
It's
time,
delays
which
really
prevents
a
lot
of
entrepr
news
from
starting
quickly
right,
and
it's
also
that
time
barrier
also
could
you
know,
discourage
people
from
even
trying.
Okay,
fortunate.
For
us,
we
have
been
approved.
Okay,
if
you
thought,
funding
and
overhead
so
acquiring
and
managing
necessary
facilities.
Growth
distribute
campus.
L
That
scale
is
extremely
high,
all
right
paying
for
equipment
paying
for
everything,
that's
necessary
to
to
to
meet
the
requirements
on
creating
a
quality
product.
So
for
us
where
fundraising
is
pending,
but
it
is
something
that
we
believe
and
we're
highly
confident
that
we
can
achieve
now.
Commercial
real
estate,
so
culturation
also
requires
acquisition
required
space
to
apply
for
the
active
license.
So
not
only
can
we
not
get
the
funding
when
we
need
the
funding,
but
then
we
also
got
to
find
a
real
estate.
L
Fortunately,
for
us,
we've
already
acquired
the
Commerce
space,
so
we
already
achieved
two
out
of
the
three
which
puts
us
well
ahead
of
a
lot
of
entrepreneurs.
Right,
we
already
overcome
a
lot
of
those
barriers,
but
it's
not
just
about
us.
How
do
we
use
our
positioning
right
to
benefit
of
the
many
right?
We
are
yes,
we
are,
you
know
a
select
group,
but
it's
not
just
about
us
it's
about
how
we
help
Boston.
How
do
we
help
the
Kansas
entrepreneurs?
L
So
again,
here's
the
ultimate
question:
how
do
we
become
the
bridge
to
help
others
overcome
these
barriers,
all
while
being
the
first
to
do
it?
Okay,
so
I
mentioned,
you
know
the
cultivation
Center
I
mean
the
the
the
the
the
zero
cultivation
centers
in
Boston
right.
We
talk
about
growing
industry
and
we
also
talk
about
all
the
barriers
that
exist.
But
one
thing
to
talk
about
is:
how
do
we
create
a
co-working
and
cultivation
Center
that
incubates
and
help
accelerate
the
growth
and
development
of
the
Cannabis
entrepreneur?
L
And
that's
what
we're
presenting
here
today
so
without
politics
is
so
one
thing
I
was
talking
about
is
like
there's
a
recipe,
two
success
right.
What
are
the
things
and
what
are
the
ingredients?
That's
going
to
be
necessary,
so
I
want
to
outline
a
few
here.
So
first
talk
about
commercial,
real
estate,
property
management.
Yes,
our
team
had
access
to
the
necessary
facilities.
K
K
Some
of
the
obstacles
already
taken
care
of.
We
do
have
a
location
and
we
do
have
a
license
in
place
in
the
city
of
Boston.
That
could
certainly
say
the
residents
and
and
and
the
social
Equity
licensee
hold
potential
licensee
holder.
So
the
question
is
you
know?
How
do
we
make
this
work
so,
which
is
one
of
the
reason
that
we're
all
here
today
is
to
figure
out?
Ultimately,
how
do
we
make
this
work
together?.
M
Thank
you
all
for
having
me
councilor
Mejia.
Thank
you
for
your
leadership.
As
usual.
In
this
work,
my
name
is
Jen
fagel
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Commonwealth
kitchen.
We
are
Boston's,
non-profit
Food,
business,
incubator
and
Development
Center.
As
we
say,
our
mission
is
to
build
a
food
economy
that
is
grounded
in
racial,
social
and
economic
Justice
and
I'm
here
to
share
a
little
bit
of
what
we
see
in
terms
of
the
Edibles
part
in
the
Cannabis
World.
M
And
so
we
certainly
see
where
there's
opportunity
to
take
the
model
that
we
have,
that
could
be
put
into
a
facility
like
what
what
Jeff
and
Ty
are
working
on,
and
so
just
to
be
very
explicit
about
that.
So
Commonwealth
kitchen's
role
is
really
trying
to
be
that
intermediary
for
an
entrepreneur
on
what
does
it
take
to
start
a
food
business
in
our
case
could
be
an
edible.
Business
could
be
something
else
so
helping
people
work
through
permit
license
insurance
food
safety
in
the
case
of
Edibles,
the
testing.
That's
required
right.
M
All
of
those
things
that
are
going
to
be
necessary
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
people
safe,
that
we
are
treating
our
employees
well,
we're
managing
OSHA,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
people
who
use
our
kitchen.
It
is
essentially
we
describe
it
as
a
gym.
Membership
for
food
businesses
is
the
simplest
way
to
explain
it,
so
people
can
come
in
and
they
use
the
equipment
that
we
have
and
they
can
share
it.
M
In
our
case,
they
get
to
a
certain
scale
and
it's
a
challenge
for
them
to
continue
to
produce
it
themselves
and
really
becomes
a
labor
issue,
as
well
as
a
health
and
safety
food
safety
issue
of
their
ability
to
meet
all
the
compliance
regulations.
In
those
case,
Commonwealth
kitchen,
we
have
a
trained
staff
that
is
actually
responsible
for
doing
that,
manufacturing
where
we
are
simply
meeting
the
the
recipe
and
the
specifications
of
that
business
owner
to
do
the
production,
it
is
still
their
business.
It
is
still
their
recipe.
M
It
is
still
their
responsibility
to
go,
sell
that
product,
but
it
allows
us
to
manage
many
of
the
issues
that
can
come
up.
I,
imagine
in
cannabis,
but
certainly
come
up
in
food
more
generally
around.
How
do
we
ensure
all
the
proper
compliance
with
FDA
USDA
Etc,
and
so
this
is
a
model
that
we
have
pioneered
here
in
Boston
I
know
of
no
other
shared
kitchens
in
the
country
that
do
this
kind
of
manufacturing.
M
We
see
it
as
an
enormous
benefit
to
helping
our
businesses
access
markets
that
they
wouldn't
otherwise
be
able
to,
because
it
allows
so
many
more
people
to
be
more
confident
comfortable.
It
means
that
our
organization
is
handling
permit,
but
also
things
like
Insurance,
the
OSHA
compliance
and
food
safety
compliance,
and
so
we
can
imagine
that
there
is
a
model
modeled
after
what
we
are
doing.
That
could
be
something
that
could
happen
with,
for
example,
the
building
that
that
Jeff
and
Ty
are
working
on
or
some
other
location,
and
so
just
want
to
share
that.
M
And
so
we
can
see
how
this
concept
of
taking
what
we
do
and
moving
it
into.
The
Cannabis
industry,
actually
be
a
really
game.
Changer
for
the
work
that
we're
all
trying
to
do
so
just
wanted
to
share
that
happy
to
share
more
about
our
model
as
folks
go
forward,
but
but
but
happy
to
see
how
we
can
be
a
support
of
this
work.
Thanks.
N
Thank
you,
counselor.
Thank
you,
counselor
Mejia,
as
well
for
your
leadership
on
this
important
topic.
Top
Leslie
Delaney,
Hawkins
I'm,
a
partner
with
the
lockerman
prince
of
bel-time.
My
partner,
Mike
Ross,
is
also
on
the
call
it's
great
to
see
so
many
familiar
faces.
As
folks
know,
I
came
up
working
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
I
know
that
you
have
great
leadership
with
Kathleen
Joyce
and
her
team
I
also
am
no
conflict,
but
a
board
member
of
Commonwealth
kitchen.
N
N
This
is
off
to
a
good
start.
I
do
want
to
comment
something
on
something
that
Mr
Jackson
mentioned
earlier,
which
I
think
is
incredibly
important,
which
is
Boston,
Equity
applicants
and
these
potential
for
a
sunset
clause
on
when
those
license
licenses
can
become
transferable.
Obviously,
that's
not
the
topic
for
today,
but
I
do
think.
That's
an
important
topic
that
you
know
the
council
should
really
consider
exploring
more.
N
But
when
we're
talking
about
diversifying
options
in
the
can
of
cannabis,
space
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
especially
with
delivery,
is
that
the
money
really
is
made
with
brick
and
mortar
stores
and
that's
a
challenge
because,
as
everyone
here
is
testifying,
you
need
easily
I.
Think
Tito
is
underestimating
the
amount
of
money
and
time
he
put
into
this
at
1
to
1.5
million.
N
One
of
the
real
challenges
in
this
industry
is
it's
one
thing
to
give
someone
a
license
or
a
host
Community
agreement,
but
this
is
an
opening,
a
coffee
shop,
the
amount
of
regulations
and
the
amount
of
work
that
has
to
go
into
building
out.
These
establishments
far
exceeds
what
I
think
anyone
ever
realized
and
that's
something
that
for
all
operators,
but
especially
more
than
anything
on
the
equity,
social,
equity
and
economic
empowerment
side.
N
We
need
to
be
providing
these
individuals
the
tools
to
actually
build
out
to
get
through
your
post-provisional
license,
inspection
to
install
your
security
systems,
your
vaults,
all
of
those
things-
and
you
know
seeing
people
like
Tito
and
Jeff
on
This
call
who
who
lived
it
firsthand.
You
know
we
always
say
we're
building
this
bicycle
while
we're
riding
it
we're
doing
it
together,
but
this
is
not
as
easy
as
opening
a
restaurant
which.
N
That's
easy
to
do
regardless
and
then,
when
you
look
at
other
license
types
like
delivery.
Unfortunately,
some
of
the
regulation
at
the
state
level.
This
is
not
at
the
city
level,
make
it
impossible
to
be
financially
successful
under
the
existing
models.
You
know
so
we're
trying
to
give
people
the
tools
but
we're
just
not
getting
there
yet
and
I
think
the
same
goes
to
when
we're
looking
at
manufacturing
from
you
know
something
like
Commonwealth
kitchen
or
from
someone's
home.
It's
illegal
right.
That's
where
we
are
right.
Now,
it's
simply
illegal.
N
We
don't
want
to
be
putting
people
at
risk.
Even
you
know,
with
the
respect
that's
paid
to
the
Legacy
Market,
we
don't
want
to
put
people
at
risk
for
boxing
themselves
out
of
getting
into
the
legal
industry
because
of
how
they're
trying
to
begin
their
businesses
now
and
I.
Think
that's
something
where
you've
got
the
people
in
the
room
to
have
that
discussion.
The
state
absolutely
has
to
be
part
of
that
discussion
and
then
the
other
thing
I
I
would
just
say
and
I
agree
with
Tito
I.
N
Don't
think
he's
ever
gotten
me
to
agree
with
him
this
much
in
one
call
but
social
consumption.
You
know
social
consumption
is
going
to
be
the
wave
of
the
future
and
we're
seeing
other
municipalities
and
Massachusetts
look
into
it.
We're
going
to
see
I
believe
new
regulations
being
promulgated
by
the
CCC
in
the
fall
and
I
think
that's
something
that.
L
N
Boston
is
a
place
that
should
be
at
the
Forefront
of
that
and
just
like
delivery.
It's
we
anticipate
it's
going
to
be
limited
to
se
and
ee
applicants,
at
least
for
the
foreseeable
future,
once
it
becomes
something
that
you
know
could
actually
be
adopted
by
each
municipality.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
work
to
get
there
and
I
know
you
have
Kathleen
Joyce
on
the
call
who
oversees
both
the
Cannabis
board
and
the
liquor
board.
N
A
O
O
We
know
they
can't
go
through
bankruptcy,
limited
on
what
they
can
do
with
investors,
because
they
must
own
51
percent
of
the
application
I
mean
you
know
that
some
of
that's
a
CCC
rule
depending
on
how
they
applied
with
their
ownership.
But
there
are
more
stringent
rules
in
this
in
this
particular
situation
at
the
local
level,
which
could
be
changed
by
the
council
and
the
and
then
ultimately,
regulatory
wise
through
through
the
actual
Boston
cannabis
board
as
well.
O
So
that
might
be
an
area
that
you
look
at
I
agree
with
with
Tito
Jackson
that
you
don't
want
to
create
a
door
that
allows
for
someone
to
get
their
approval
as
Boston
approved
social
Equity
applicant
and
then
flip
it
a
few
weeks
later.
To
give
it
I
mean
that
would
be
bad.
That
would
be
really
bad,
but
limiting
the
social
Equity
applicants
from
putting
restrictions
on
their
license
that
aren't
in
place
for
the
rest
of
the
market.
It
puts
them
at
a
disadvantage.
O
And
what
else
are
we
going
to
do
on
420
then
get
together
here
and
have
these
conversations.
So
thank
you
for
for
having
the
conversation
I
agree
with
Leslie.
We
are
a
a
resource
for
the
council
for
the
city.
We
can
do
anything
to
help
for
the
industry.
We
certainly
work
a
lot
in
it,
so
we
recognize
our
responsibility
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
help
make
it
better
for
all
those
involved.
B
I
just
wanted
to
thank
our
additional
guest
speakers
and
I
also
wanted
to
just
note
for
the
record
that
Chantal
from
Central
from
igr
is
asking.
If
we
can
bump
up
someone
to
a
panelist
from
the
administration
just
wanted
to
know.
Everybody
knows
that
I'm
all
about
arm
means
are,
and
it's
Miss
Shanika
shakia
Scott
as
a
panelist
who
I
believe
is
going
to
be
representing
the
administration.
So
from
what
from
what
I
understand,
she
is
a
attendee,
not
a
panelist,
and
we
need
to
change
that.
A
Thank
you
councilman
here
so
now
we'll
go
into
the
administration
panel
with
this,
which
is
shakia
Scott
scale.
When
you
it's
your
time
to
present,
can
just
let
us
know
your
job
title
and
what
department
and
also
Kathleen
Joyce
chair
of
Boston
licensing
board
and
Boston
cannabis
board.
We'll
start
first
with
commissioner
George.
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
inviting
me
today
to
participate
in
this
hearing.
As
Council
Morrell
said,
my
name
is
Kathleen
Joyce
and
I
am
chair
of
the
Boston
cannabis
board
and
I
have
served
as
chair
since
its
Inception
in
2020.
I
want
to
say
we
are
here
to
be
part
of
this
conversation.
The
Boston
cannabis
board
was
created
to
cite
cannabis
establishments
across
our
city,
and
it's
been
given
an
explicit
charge
from
you,
the
city
council,
to
prioritize
Equity.
E
The
city
created
an
equity
program
that
provides
grant
funding
and
technical
assistance,
which
shakia
can
talk
about
later
for
applicants
who
have
been
disproportionately
impacted
by
the
War
on
Drugs.
We
have
a
duty
to
maintain
a
one-to-one
ratio
of
equity
to
non-equity
applicants,
and
we
strive
to
do
better
than
a
one-to-one
ratio.
I'm
really
proud
to
say
that
we
have
no
backlog.
E
E
E
The
Cannabis
support
is
empowered
to
issue
and
regulate
the
license
types
that
are
authorized
authorized
by
the
state
legislature.
As
you
all
know,
those
include
retail
marijuana
establishments,
medical
cannabis,
dispensaries,
courier
delivery
services,
delivery
operators,
prod
product
manufacturing,
cultivation,
Testing,
Laboratories,
Transporters
and
research
facilities.
We
do
have
co-located
medical
retail
establishments
in
the
city.
We
actually
have
eight
to
date,
the
city
of
Boston
has
signed
71,
most
Community
host
Community
agreements.
E
E
We
have
seven,
we
have
51
recreational
retail,
cannabis,
dispensary,
host,
Community
agreements.
We
have
six
delivery
host,
Community
agreements,
we
have
eight
collate,
located:
recreational
medical,
two
cultivation,
two
cultivation
and
Manufacturing
two
manufacturing
and
Retail.
It's
important
to
note
that
a
cannabis
is
still
illegal
substance,
the
federal
level
and
highly
regulated
at
the
state
and
local
level.
For
these
reasons,
manufacturing
cannabis
products
at
home
or
in
a
shared
commercial
kitchens
not
allowed
on
estate
regulations
should
that
change.
E
We
are
here
to
help
draft
regulations
and
make
it
possible
to
open
always
with
an
eye
towards
equity.
We
hear
constantly
about
the
barriers
to
entering
and
expanding
the
Cannabis
Marketplace,
and
we
take
that
seriously.
We've
been
invited
to
join
the
CCC
in
crafting
regulations
that
will
continue
and
we
will
continue
to
Advocate
to
put
Equity
first,
as
social
consumption
becomes
legal.
E
We
participate
in
these
conversations
with
the
CCC
and
other
municipalities.
We
want
to
ensure
that
any
changes
at
the
state
level
can
be
quickly
operationalized
in
Boston,
so
that
our
Equity
applicants
can
participate
fully
in
this
industry.
So
I
am
here
to
ask
to
answer
any
questions.
I'm
here
to
be
a
partner
with
all
of
you
and
I
am
here
to
help
move
this
industry
in
the
right
direction.
P
Hi
everyone
good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
sponsoring,
and
even
just
thinking
of
an
order
of
this
nature,
my
name
is
shakia
Scott
and
I
am
currently
the
Cannabis
business
manager
in
the
mayor's
office
of
Economic,
Opportunity
and
inclusion.
I
was
formerly
the
director
of
equity
and
community
outreach
for
the
Massachusetts
cannabis,
Control,
Commission
and
so
I'm
happy
to
join
you
today
and
partner
with
you
and
speak
about
this
topic.
P
Today,
I'm
kind
of
just
going
to
paint
a
background
of
our
Equity
program
and
some
details
into
areas
we've
encountered
that
may
you
know
Echo
a
lot
of
what
you've
been
saying
today
and
kind
of
give
some
more
insight
into
areas
where
we
could
alleviate
barriers
by
diversifying
business
models.
However,
that
may
look
so
currently
in
my
position:
I
oversee
the
city's
cannabis
Equity
program,
I
certify
applicants
and
provide
assistance
through
the
process
and
collaboration
with
the
Boston
cannabis
board.
P
Additionally,
I
manage
the
applicant
technical
assistance
program
which
helps
new
and
existing
cannabis
businesses
launch
and
strengthen
their
operations
and
provide
support
to
cannabis
entrepreneurs
at
all
stages
of
development.
Moreover,
the
Boston
Equity
program
offers
grants
as
excuse
me,
the
commissioner
alluded
to
that-
provides
financial
assistance
solely
to
certified
Equity
applicants.
This
program
is
overseen
by
Joseph
Gilmore.
P
So
far
we
have
certified
41
Equity
applicants.
However,
this
number
is
higher
than
the
number
the
commissioner
alluded
to,
because
this
represents
each
business
that
also
has
multiple
locations
so
for
the
equity
program,
each
location
has
to
be
certified
separately
so
that
we
know
and
we're
keeping
track
of
who,
what
location
is
getting
grants
and
what
location
is
receiving
technical
assistance.
P
Just
to
reiterate
of
the
41
41
certified
applicants,
eight
of
them
are
currently
operational.
While
this
number
may
seem
low,
it's
higher
than
the
state's
number
of
eight
percent
Boston
is
sitting
around
38
percent
of
operational
businesses
being
those
of
black
or
brown
Hispanic,
Latino
Asian
indigenous
and
we're
we're
shooting
for
more,
of
course,
with
our
one-to-one
ratio.
To
date,
we've
contracted
with
11
technical
assistance
providers
with
expertise
in
areas
such
as
law,
engineering
architecture,
business,
Consulting
web
and
app
development,
HR
and
accounting
with
our
technical
providers.
P
We've
initiated
and
completed
28
technical
assistance
projects
with
most
projects,
focusing
mainly
on
architectural
or
engineering,
needs
website,
development
and
design
and
general
process
navigation
assistance,
including
real
estate
locations.
Our
grant
program
has
distributed
41
grants,
totaling
658
thousand
dollars
around
659
000
since
its
launch
in
2020.
The
most
common
requested
areas
of
assistance
through
the
grant
fund
are
rent,
architectural
or
engineering
needs
legal
fees
and
security.
P
P
P
There
we're
also
currently
working
on
a
cannabis
empowerment
series
that
will
roll
out
in
June
we're
we're
actually
partnering
with
a
local
Equity
business
in
this
venture
to
empower
enable
and
educate
Boston
in
the
Massachusetts
area
on
on
our
program,
but
also
how
to
get
into
the
industry
and
supports
that
both
the
city
and
the
state
may
have
so
we'll
keep
everyone
up
to
date
on
that.
But
I'm
also
here
to
answer
any
questions
or
provide
any
other
other
additional
Insight
that
you
guys
may
need.
B
B
B
When
we
talk
about
the
the
dollars
that
are
available,
what
are
the
grants
that
are
available
to
support
minority
cannabis
business
owners?
Can
you
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
dollars,
how
many
dollars
and
when
we
think
about
supporting
cannabis
business
owners?
Are
we
just
supporting
folks
who
want
to
do
delivery
and
open
up
a
shop?
Are
we
also
having
grants
for
people
to
think
about
food
infusion
and
other
and
other
you
know
HVAC
and
marketing
or
like?
P
It
has
kind
of
some
barriers,
but
it's
just
to
make
sure
that
the
grant
money
is
going
to
businesses
that
are
going
to
be
operational
in
Boston.
So
there's
three
key
things
that
you
need.
The
commissioner
mentioned
one
you
do
need
a
lease
or
a
letter
of
intent
to
be
eligible
for
a
grant.
You
also
do
need
your
ISD
refusal
letter.
You
must
also
have
had
your
community,
your
community
meeting
as
well
for
your
business,
but
the
grant
is
open.
The
only
real
restriction
that
we
have
on
the
grant.
P
Technically,
from
the
city's
Law
Department
is
that
the
money
can't
go
directly
to
rent,
but
there's
no
real,
specific
buckets
that
the
grant
can
or
cannot
go
to
so
people
just
apply.
They
really
just
write
out
what
the
intention
for
the
money
is
and
where
and
a
detailed
budget
of
what
services
they're
using
or
what
service
providers
they're
using
and
how
much
those
things
cost
and
then
they
are
in
a
review
process
with
a
four-member
review
board
with
a
few
different
key
things
that
they're,
you
know
rubric
that
they're
judged
on.
B
B
So
let's
say,
for
instance,
if
you
are
like
Oliver,
he
has
this
hot
sauce
right
and
you
have
all
the
people
who
do
Edibles
and
brownies
and
food
infusion
I'm,
just
curious.
If,
if
you
could
share
anybody
here
on,
the
panel
can
really
share
with
us
kind
of
what
it
will
take
to
be
able
to
create
space
for
small
social
entrepreneurs
to
be
able
to
have
a
location
that
they
can
establish
a
small
business
and
in
a
cultivation
site.
B
B
Let's,
just
let's
forget
about
the
Kathleen
I
see
you
smiling,
let's
just
hypothetically
say
there
aren't
any
laws
from
like
we
approved
all
the
laws
that
we
need
to
actually
could
somebody
tie?
Can
you
just
Ty
I
think
you
might
know
what
are
some
of
those
barriers?
What
in
terms
of
the
law
so
that
we
can
get
those
on
the
record?
B
If
anybody
knows
it
Mike
or
or
or
or
Leslie
anybody
or
or
Kathleen
just
what
are
the
three
major
laws
that
are
in
place
right
now
that
are
going
to
prevents
us
from
doing
this
and
then
I
want
to
hear
what
are
the?
What
are
the
things
if
those
laws
were
not
an
issue
or
a
barrier?
What
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
in
the
city
to
help
support
this
idea
from
manifest.
I
I
This
model
product
manufacturing
is
already
really
happening
with
organizations
like
red
Clinic
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
They're
doing
that
right
now
only
it's
it's!
We
call
it
like
licensing
deals,
even
though
you
don't
officially
have
a
license.
You
can
call
it
white
labeling,
you
can
call
it
co-packing.
Essentially
you
enter
into
a
legal
agreement
and
you're
operating
Under,
the
Umbrella
of
the
license
holder
essentially-
and
you
pay
a
fee
for
that.
So
that's
like
really
low
hanging
fruit,
low
hanging,
opportunity
now!
Imagine
if
okay,
so
so
what
are
the
barriers?
I
Well,
what
do
you
need
was
the
question.
You
just
need
some
space
and
a
lot
of
times.
You
don't
need
a
lot
of
space
and
you
don't
need
all
the
space
you
might
need
on
the
low
end.
It
depends
on
the
product
that
you're
building,
but
if
it
was
something
simple
like
say
something
as
simple
as
a
pre-roll
brand
right,
like
the
brand
I
have
just
pre-rolls,
you
need
like
200
square
feet,
need
some
stainless
steel
benches.
I
You
need
some
storage
space
right,
that's
essentially
all
you
need,
and
then
you
need
somebody
that's
going
to
make
sure
that
you're
operating
compliantly
and
that
you're,
you
know
entering
things
into
metrics,
which
a
lot
of
times
the
person
that
is
facilitating
the
person
that
has
the
brand
doesn't
have
any
control
of
a
metric,
because
you
need
a
license
to
do
that.
So
I
think
the
conversation
that
we
should
be.
I
Having
is
how
do
we
take
what's
already
happening
and
maybe
and
and
allow
you
know
that
brand
owner
to
have
their
own
license,
which
would
increase
the
value
of
that
business
and
attract
investors
right?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
let
that
brand
owner
have
an
actual
license
and
be
able
to
have
access
to
metric
inside
that
facility?
Since
it's
kind
of
already
happening,
I,
don't
know
if
I
answered
all
your
questions,
but.
M
Thank
you,
counselor,
and
just
just
to
sort
of
put
a
put
a
sort
of
a
different
spin
on
what
Ty
said
is
that
if
this
is
food,
then
you
have
to
meet
all
the
food
regulations
so
in
the
city
of
Boston,
if
you
are
selling
something
in
the
food
World
retail,
so
I
as
a
as
a
processor,
I'm
selling
it
to
somebody
as
in
directly
in
there
eating
it.
That
is
the
city
of
Boston
license.
M
If
I
am
making
a
product
that
I
am
a
brownie
or
a
hot
sauce
or
whatever
and
I
am
then
selling
it
to
a
facility
that
they
in
turn
are
selling
it.
That
is
a
wholesale
license.
That
typically,
then
requires
on
the
health
department
side.
It
requires
the
the
state
to
be
involved
and
it
moves
into
the
federal.
If
you
add
things
like
ice
cream,
there
are
certain
things
that
require
Federal
Federal
licensing,
for
lots
of
different
reasons.
M
So
so
part
of
the
question
would
be,
you
know,
start
with
start
with
the
end
in
mind.
What's
the
goal?
Who
are
you
trying
to
support
in
the
world
of
food?
You
think
about
a
kitchen?
Well,
the
equipment
for
a
hot
sauce
company
is
different
than
the
equipment
for
a
a
brownie
company,
so
kind
of.
Is
there
a
sense
of
where
you're
trying
to
start
with
that?
M
B
Leslie
Mike,
Tito,
I'm
gonna
call
everybody
anybody
any
anybody
else
want
to
chime
in,
because
we
really,
you
know
for
me:
I,
don't
like
to
bring
people
into
the
table
just
for
I
I'm,
really
hoping
that
as
a
collective
here
we
can
have
solution,
oriented
hearings
where
we're
walking
away
feeling
incredibly
inspired
about
what
the
next
steps
are
and
the
only
way
that
we
could
do.
That
is
if
we
understand
what
are
the
barriers,
but
then
also,
how
can
we
work
around
them?
B
E
I
do
thank
you
and
I
could
be
misspeaking
here,
but
I
think
my
role
would
be.
The
easiest
part
would
probably
be
the
last
thing
that
happens.
The
license.
That's
given
out
for
this
space
I
think
the
most
difficult
part
just
based
upon
what
Jen
was
describing
would
be
the
food
permitting
part
making
sure
things
are
kept
to
the
right
temperature
stored
correctly
food
safety
issues.
K
Else,
yes,
I
just
want
to
chime
in
another
thing,
that
I
mean,
as
I
showed
on
the
proposal
earlier,
the
video
that
earlier
that
we
were
currently
working
on.
So
we
would
love
to
continue
working
on
on
a
plan
on
a
proposal
to
to
present
to
to
everybody
here
to
actually
see
how
we
could
make
this
work.
K
You
know,
because
everybody
here
has
some
familiarity
to
every
component,
that
that
requires
us
to
to
get
these
licensing,
and
currently
we
do
have
a
location.
We
do
have
a
a
license
in
hand.
So
now
he's
just
really
going
over
over
the
CCC
laws
and
and
the
guidelines,
like
you,
said,
commissioner,
you
know
you
know
it's,
it's
all
about
laws
that
we
could
amend
to
make
things
happen,
and
you
know
I'm
all
for
it.
K
So
we
could
make
this
right
because
I
think
there's
actually
something
here,
there's
a
great
opportunity
here.
There's
a
24,
000
square
foot
lot
I
mean
building
already
up
up
and
running
that
we
just
have
to
really
build
out,
and
you
know
we
have
Shakira
here
as
well.
That
could
you
know,
help
us
with
the
funding.
So
again,
all
the
components
are
here.
K
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
everybody
here,
working
together
and
collaborating
to
make
this
thing
work
so
I'm
all
for
it
and
I
I
plan
on
reaching
out
to
everybody
individually
for
a
meeting
and
and
to
continue
adding
on
to
that
PDF
to
that
presentation
that
we
already
started
working
with
so
I.
Thank
you
all
for
this
opportunity
and
I
see
this
working.
K
B
And
counselor
I
know
my
time
is
almost
up,
so
I
just
see
that
former
another
former
counselor
Council
Ross.
Let
me
give
you
some
respect
to
that.
Name
too,
and
I
see
your
hand
is
up
so
I.
This
you'll
be
the
last
person.
I
can
speak
on
this
round
and
I'm
gonna
give
it
back
to
council
girl
because
I
think
I'm
over
my
time,
yeah.
O
Just
just
offer
to
you
councilmania
that
you
know
I
mean
this
is
all
we
do.
We,
we
clients,
reach
out
to
us
and
ask
us:
how
do
we
do
the
following?
You
know
what
are
the
hurdles
and
yeah?
That's
that's
what
we
do
so,
if
you
want
to
put
me
in
a
room
with
with
anyone
to
to
Blue
Sky
these
items,
you
know
off
the
clock,
I'm
happy
to
be
available
and
just
have
that
conversation
make
myself
available
to
you
and
Leslie
Hawkins
as
well.
O
B
You
yeah
I
heard
that
everybody
in
the
public
we
got
some
reinforcements.
So
that
means
that
the
can-do
attitude
we're
gonna,
make
some
things
happen
here.
Thank
you,
Mike,
for
offering
yourself
up
in
your
team
and
I
really
am
incredibly
hopeful.
This
is
not
a
hearing
just
to
have
a
hearing
about
a
hearing.
This
is
really
about.
How
can
we
transform
the
lives
of
those
folks
who
are
trying
to
get
in
and
think
outside
the
box
and
provide
people
as
many
options
into
this
industry?
A
A
Supporting
small
businesses
is
something
that
you've
LED
on
from
the
very
first
time
you
touched
the
council
floor,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
you
had
time
to
speak
to
and
get
all
your
questions
answered,
most
of
my
questions
were
answered,
either
in
everyone's
presentation
or
during
year-rounded
questions,
but
I
I
guess
I
do
have.
One
question
like
this
is
for
a
commissioner.
Joyce
is:
is
there
a
cap?
How
many
cannabis
licenses
the
city
of
Boston
is
able
to
issue?
There's.
E
A
E
A
E
Do
you
go
through
that
analysis,
counselor
at
every
single
hearing
we
have
a
score
sheet
and
on
the
record,
we
analyze
What
It
Takes,
and
why
would
pierce
the
buffer
zone
is
an
application
unique?
Is
it
bringing
something
different
to
the
community?
Does
it
offer
the
patron
something
different?
A
recording
studio
sometimes
is
different
than
a
retail
establishment.
You
know
you
have
to
ask
those
questions.
Is
it
some
sort
of
organic
product
that
you
don't
find
anywhere
else
in
the
neighborhood?
I
I
E
Cultivators
into
consideration,
in
our
analysis,
you
might
find
someone
on
the
commission
saying
geez,
there's
a
buffer
zone
here,
but
we're
talking
about
a
delivery
within
three
blocks
of
a
retail.
Is
that
like
a
true?
Is
it
a
true?
You
know
burden
to
the
the
delivery
operator
that
a
retail
place
is
opening
up
down
the
street
and
vice
versa.
You
know
I
think
you
have
in
place
a
seven-member
board
right
now.
We
only
have
four
members
of
the
board.
We
have
a
seven
member
board
and
we
ask
those
questions.
E
B
A
G
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair
as
noted.
The
council
does
have
discretion
I'm
here
there
are
several
municipalities
that
actually
only
look
at
the
space
between
actual
dispensaries
and-
and
let's
also
be
be
clear
on
why
that
is
a
manufacturing
facility
is
not
going
to
have
a
line
down
the
street.
A
cultivation
facility
is
not
going
to
have
a
line
down
the
street.
G
The
as
Ty
noted
the
pieces
around
all,
basically
all
other
license
types
other
than
retail,
as
well
as
social
consumption
are
really
innocuous
when
it
comes
to
being
close
to
one
another,
because
if
run
correctly,
you
would
not
know
where
a
cannabis
manufacturing
plant
would
be,
and
if
run
correctly,
you
would
also
not
know
where
a
cannabis
cultivation
would
be.
It
should
be
running
a
method
for
a
whole
host
of
reasons.
G
It
should
be
right
in
a
manner
that
you
actually
don't
know
where
it
is,
but
I
do
believe
that
to
be
the
case,
so
I
think
the
council
does
have
discretion
there
and
then
also
the
council
does
have
a
discussion
around
the
distance
between
facilities
and
the
like.
So
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
council
to
clarify
weigh-in,
as
well
as
update
any
of
the
legislation
that
has
been
passed.
A
A
Please
counsel
me
here,
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
everyone
else
in
this
room
on
trying
to
remove
some
of
those
barriers
in
order
to
create
the
support
system
and
make
a
more
Equitable
cannabis
industry
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
with
that
said,
we'll
go
back
around
for
second
round
of
questions,
starting
with
councilmania.
Thank.
B
B
Are
there
questions
that
that
are
still
on
your
hearts
and
Minds
that
we
should
bring
into
the
space
and
get
on
the
record
while
we're
all
here
together
before
we
wrap
up
our
time?
And
that
includes
you,
commissioner,
if
you
have
questions
in
the
audience
too
it
doesn't
it
goes.
This
is
all
about
everybody
right.
This
is
really
I'd
like
to
utilize
the
rest
of
the
little
time
that
I
have
to
open
up
for
that
type
of
Engagement.
E
E
We
try
really
hard
and
I'm
always
asked
geez.
If
we
were
to
lock
down
the
downtown
now,
would
that
mean
we
would
not
have
any
more
applications
in
the
downtown
area?
We've
been
criticized
publicly
I've
been
criticized
privately
for
allowing
too
many
licenses,
specifically
in
the
downtown
area
in
piercing
the
buffer
zone.
I
stand
behind
my
decision,
I
believe
every
vote,
I've
taken
I've,
backed
up
with
facts
and
not
just
opinions,
and
so
I'm
left
with
the
quandary.
E
E
We
had
one
yesterday
that
was
downtown,
so
should
we
just
say
yes,
Administration
go
elsewhere,
go
out
to
Hyde
Park
go
everywhere.
I
can't
force
an
apple
applicant
to
open
up
and
submit
an
application
in
a
neighborhood.
These
applications
come
to
us
organically
and
we
review
them
as
they
come
in
I
can't
say
you
know
you
would
be
better
off
going
down
to
going
somewhere
else
than
downtown.
So
that's
like
a
constant
tension.
We
have
as
a
board
or
as
I,
do
as
the
chair
as
these
applications
go.
E
It
is
public
support
and
public
opposition,
but
we're
like
it's
a
predicament
of
ours.
What,
if
Taiwan
to
come
right?
Now
we
had
a
great
application,
am
I
supposed
to
say.
Geez
we've
been
criticized
the
last
six
times.
We
let
a
place
open
up
downtown,
even
though
I
may
truly
believe
the
foot
traffic
or
the
pedestrian
traffic
or
the
business
traffic
could
support
it.
Are
we
going
to
make
a
policy
that
no
more
applications
could
be
heard
in
this
area?
E
That's
something
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
like
what
are
the
unintended
consequences
of
saying,
no
or
a
piercing
the
buffer
zone
when
I'm
tasked
with
making
sure
these
places
open?
It's
not
as
easy
as
saying
you're
going
to
hurt
someone's
business
I'm
on
top
of
it
as
much
as
everybody
else,
I
see
that
there
are
no
lines
when
I
walk
by
these
places,
but
you
as
a
body
have
tasked
the
board
to
review
these
applications
as
they
come
in,
and
we
take
that
very
seriously.
E
B
J
Hello,
everyone
Jay
here
so
I
think
something
that
actually
happens.
Often
is
people
will
put
in
an
application
and
not
realize
so,
for
example,
if
I
put
an
application
today
for
the
address
that
I'm
sitting
in
right
now
and
tomorrow,
based
on
the
applications
that
are
already
in
you
will
prove
one
that's
across
the
street
I'm
out
of
luck
right
because
I'm
within
the
buffer
zone,
so
I
feel
like
maybe
having
a
map
up
and
I
know
it's
hard,
because
you
look
at
these
applications
as
they
come
in.
J
But
if
folks
know
where
provisional
licenses
are
so
if
there
is
a
map
that
says
provisional
licenses
are
here,
you
know
these
applicants
are
up
there
before
you
it.
It
actually
makes
it
very
complicated.
But
if
there's
a
map
or
encouragement,
or
even
with
the
CCC
Partnerships
with
people
that
have
property
and
are
looking
to
rent
that
property
to
we'll
just
say
cannabis,
industry,
members
or
or
sell
their
property,
maybe
there
can
be
some
relationship
so
that
way,
maybe
Hyde
Park
is
better.
J
If
there's
only
one
applicant
out
there,
there's
only
one
business
in
Hyde
Park
that
business
is
going
to
do
well,
there's
only
two
businesses
in
Hyde,
Park
and
they're
three,
you
know
miles
away
or
half
a
mile
away
or
a
mile
and
a
half
away,
they're,
probably
going
to
do
better
than
10
downtown,
so
I
think
there's
a
lack
of
communication
and
transparency
of
where
people
are
and
then
where
they
end
up.
It's
almost
like
people
are
stuck.
J
Everyone
wants
the
high
foot
traffic
areas,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
on.
The
outskirts
of
the
very
inner
city
aren't
better.
So
I
think
there
that
communication
is
missing
and
that
transparency
is
missing
because
it
a
few
people
have
run
into
the
same
issues
where
well
I've
been
renting
this
space
for
a
year
waiting
for
this
application
to
get
approved
and
go
through,
and
then
the
person
right
across
the
street.
J
Don't
know
I
have,
but
what
I'm
saying
is.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
that,
while
you
all
are
approving
applicants
like
you're,
stating
it
a
little
bit
more
frequently
so
that
the
public
knows
I,
think
that
there's
just
missing
information
that
they
don't
know-
and
maybe
they
would
have
six
months
ago
or
a
year
ago
chosen
a
different
location.
Had
they
known.
A
A
Q
A
Q
I
I
I
You
know,
even
in
areas
like
Los
Angeles,
where
they
try
to
mitigate
it,
where
they
try
to
do
studies
and
tests
and
and
have
you
know,
a
certain
a
number
of
licenses
that
they'll
award
per
District
based
on
their
you
know,
undo
concentration.
It's
still
challenging.
Also
consider
that
you
know
sometimes
you'll
be
asked
to
change
your
rules
and
regulations
based
on
the
the
current
state
of
the
market,
but
cannabis
in
general
fluctuates
pretty
hard
because
a
lot
of
people
come
in.
It
gets
oversaturated.
I
It's
really
a
retail
issue.
I
think
that
you
know
you
probably
do
want
to
limit
the
amount
based
on
the
data
that
you
have
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
and
if
that
changes
over
time,
maybe
you
can
make
more
licenses
available.
So
maybe
it's
like
we're
going
to
cap
it
right
now
we're
only
going
to
award
per
District
this
many,
but
in
the
future,
if
there's
a
higher
demand
that
you
know.
So
it's
not
like
hard
and
fast.
It's
not
like
no,
never
again,
but
it's
just
like
at
this
time.
I
We've
exceeded
our
limit.
We
really
want
to
see
how
this
plays
out
for
the
next
year
and
then
we'll
revisit
it.
I
don't
know,
but
it
is
definitely
specific
to
retail
and
and
also
you're
gonna
have
to
look
at
cultivation
a
little
bit,
not
as
much
as
retail
but
cultivation
a
little
bit
too,
because
if
there's
more
Supply,
then
there
is
demand
you're
going
to
have
the
same
type
of
issues.
I
If
somebody
wanted
to
go
and
just
facility
and
and
they
were
working
with
smaller
retailers
or
delivery
operators
and
said
you
don't
have
the
capacity
to
build
a
brand
or
build
a
product,
let
me
do
it
for
you:
I'll
make
a
little
bit
of
money,
co-packing
it
for
you
and
that's
all
I'll
do
I'll.
Just
take
it.
Put
your
brand
on
it,
make
it
easy
for
you,
so
these
are
like
low
hanging
opportunities
that
you're
not
going
to
experience
this
undue
concentration
because
on
the
product
manufacturing
side,
the
customers,
all
the
retailers.
I
A
E
But
no
there
isn't
I.
Think
Tyrese
is
some
really
good
questions
which
we've
been
grappling
with
too.
As
a
board.
We
recently
did
a
saturation
study
which
was
sort
of
inconclusive,
but
it's
something
we'll
continue
to
take
a
look
at
and
I
think
you
raised
some
really
good
issues
that
we
have
to
continue
to
think
through.
So
I
appreciate
your
comments.
G
G
The
downtown
is
larger
than
half
a
mile,
and
I
will
note
that
the
area
that
I'm
talking
about
is
actually
seven
within
half
of
Mile
we're
not
talking
about
the
whole
of
downtown
and
so
I
think
it's
actually
really
critical
that
a
couple
things
happen.
So
one
I
do
appreciate
the
board
I
appreciate
chairwoman,
Joyce
and
the
work
that
she
does
on
in
Earnest
on
it
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
G
You've
now
not
told
them,
essentially
the
truth,
and
so
one
of
the
it's
already
hard
enough
to
get
investment
in
the
space
and
I
will
note
for
you.
We
got
control
of
this
building
in
the
beginning
of
January
2021.
We
didn't
open
until
two
months
ago,
so
we
had
to
carry
this
building
and
as
a
as
a
chair,
one
noted
as
an
Loi
or
Elise
are:
are
our
owner
wants
their
rent
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
so
it
is
very
difficult.
G
G
We
probably
would
not
add
seven
package
stores
to
any
one
neighborhood
in
in
Earnest
in
in
a
very
short
period
of
of
time,
and
so
what
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
very
thoughtful
in
particular,
and
look
at
the
impact
that
this
has
on
businesses
that
are
owned
by
people
of
color.
Msos
have
unlimited
amount
of
amounts
of
money
for
those
who
don't
know
what
that
means.
That's
a
multi-state
operator
they're
public
companies.
G
They
have
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
that
we're
talking
about,
and
so,
if
we're
really
trying
to
do
this,
that
is
critical,
and
then
this
is
also
compounded
by
the
fact
that
we
then
can't
sell
our
business
right
so
you've.
Now
we
have
a
double
whammy,
because
you
put
us
in
a
situation
where
we
have
again
no
other
place
in
the
city
that
I
know
of.
Has
it
six
other
people
who
are
within
a
half
a
mile
radius
of
them?
G
But
then,
if,
if
someone
were
to
come
in
and
say
hey,
we
want
to
give
you
a
boatload
of
no,
you
don't
actually
have
the
opportunity
to
actually
make
an
exit.
In
addition,
I
do
want
to
express
this
as
noted
before
there
there
are
not
if,
if
your
business
doesn't
work,
normal
bankruptcy
is
not
even
an
option
for
for
us
in
our
space,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
I
would
say
is,
as
as
time
noted
there.
G
You
know
there
are
components
of
of
having
some
level
of
a
cooling
off
period
and
then
I
would
also
note
that
in
the
alcohol
space
oftentimes
they're
they're,
sometimes
they
say
no
to
licenses,
and
that
is
also
an
indicator
industry
wise
as
to
go,
look
someplace
else
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
component
and
when
I
was
on
the
council.
The
reason
why
that
this
buffer
existed
is
because
we
were
looking
at
Medical
in
the
beginning,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
at
least
one
store
in
every
single
neighborhood
and
there's.
G
That
is
actually
not
even
the
case
yet
in
terms
of
the
stores
that
are
actually
opened,
and
so
there's
an
opportunity.
I
understand
this.
This
is
iterative
and
I
can't
imagine
how
hard
it
is,
but
I
also
will
note
for
those
people
who
are
open
and
in
in
in
the
space
that
it
is
absolutely
critical
that
we
address
this
piece
and
I.
A
E
Yeah,
just
two
two
things
and
I
appreciate
this
back
and
forth
because
it's
important
to
get
it
out
there
and
I
think
Council
Jackson's
right
when
you
do
rejection
application,
you're
sending
a
message.
We
don't
want
a
location
here
or
your
your
application
is
not
ready
for
prime
time
we've
rejected
applications
before
we
have
sent
that
message,
there's
one
in
Chinatown
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
board,
and
there
was
one
where
they
tried
to
open
up
right
next
to
Bridge,
Over,
Troubled,
Waters
and
I.
E
Think
some
city
council
supported
it
and
I
I
was
just
absolutely
against
it,
but
there
was
always
a
process
to
pierce
the
buffer
zone
and
I
feel
for
those
that
didn't
realize
that
there
was
a
process
in
place
and
that
may
have
told
people
that
there
was
no
way
another
place
was
going
to
open
up
within
a
half
mile.
You
can't
open
up
within
a
half
mile
I
mean
of
500
feet
of
a
school
that
cannot
be
pierced,
but
there
was
always
a
process
to
pierce
a
buffer
zone.
E
The
half
mile
upper
Stone,
two
different
types
of
buffer
zone,
so
I
I
apologize.
If
the
misinformation
was
out
there,
but
this
isn't
something
new,
the
board
did
and
I.
Obviously,
I
wasn't
on
the
city
council.
So
I
don't
know
about
your
statements
about
medical,
but
I
believe
the
intent
was
to
make
sure
we
had
these
locations
in
every
neighborhood
of
the
city.
They
weren't
just
clumped
in
certain
neighborhoods
that
people
had
access
everywhere
and
we
we
do.
We
do
look.
E
E
B
B
I
truly
believe
that
the
greatest
learning
is
when
we
create
space
when
it's
not
just
counselors
asking
questions,
but
that
we
allow
some
organic
dialogue
to
happen
between
the
panelists
that
are
here.
So
I
do
want
to
be
mindful
that
we
do
have
people
that
are
signing
up
for
testimony
and
I
see
that
counselor,
sorry
to
warmer
counselor,
Jackson
and
Ty.
Both
have
their
hands
up
and
I.
Just
want
to
be
mindful
of
that
time,
and
just
wanted
just
to
reiterate
that.
D
I
Really
quickly
guys,
so
my
question
is
pertaining
to
an
SE
license
holder
exiting
my
understanding
is
that
if
you
do
not
have
retained
51
ownership,
you
lose
that
Equity
status
and
the
perks
that
come
with
it.
Is
there
anything
else
that
happens
above
and
beyond
that?
If
you
dip
below
51
like
is
the
license
actually
revoked,
it
got
you
yeah.
E
E
C
A
A
Q
Bit
hi.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
for
having
me
I've
been
waiting
a
while
I
think
this
is
a
great
platform.
Thank
you,
councilor
Mejia
for
hosting
this
hearing,
counselor
Flynn,
former
counselor
Tito
Jackson
chairwoman,
Joyce
and
and
counselor
Worrell
I
think
this
is
an
amazing
conversation
that
could
have
happened
a
long
time
ago,
but
I'm
glad
it's
happening
now.
Q
First
I
just
want
to
say
something
in
regards
to
Jay
Z
Jay's
comment
for
chairwoman.
Joyce
on
you
know
how?
How
do
we
make
this
a
more
transparent
process
and
I?
Think
I
I
definitely
think
that
what
Jay
is
saying
is
is
would
be
helpful.
Sort
of
my
experience
is
that
when
we
come
to
hear
of
a
of
a
proposal,
the
proposal
has
already
gone
through
ISD
they're,
already
hosting
a
community
meeting.
Q
Q
Your
way
up
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
having
the
idea
of
co-location
is
is
would
be
good
for
social
Equity
applicants
like
myself,
who
sort
of
want
a
Smart,
Start
off
small
and
having
a
small
scale
manufacturing,
whether
they're,
making
Edibles
or
lotions
or
Oils
for
people
to
consume.
It's
the
best
way
to
get
in
the
industry
without
spending
half
a
million
dollar
and
having
to
gather
investors
and
needing
an
Loi
and
all
that
so
I
think.
Q
You
know
if
they
don't
want
to
do
cultivation
if
it's
just
manufacturing,
then
then
that
would
be
a
good
way
for
us
to
get
in
the
industry
and
and
that's
about
it.
But
I
do
appreciate
the
dialogue
today
and
everyone
coming
out
and
and
I
hope
that
we're
able
to
have
more
conversations
like
this
as
the
regulations
for
social
consumption
and
and
things
move
forward
in
the
industry.
So
thank
you
all.
A
A
B
A
B
R
Sorry,
can
you
guys
just
give
me
like
a
quick
five?
Second,
what
is
this
just
like
public
testimony
regarding
what
I
joined
late
I
wasn't
aware
of
this
I
was
sent
this
this
hearing,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
comments
regarding
the
process
and
just
the
licensing
and
the
Cannabis
Market
in
Boston
overall,
so
can
we
can
you
guys
tell
me
what
we're
talking
about
really
quickly.
A
J
R
R
We
were
only
the
minimum
is
50.,
so
now
we're
approaching
70
and
there's
no
there's
no
slowing
down
in
the
sense
of
approving
more
approvals
and
the
more
approvals.
The
more
approvals
go
through
that
Gap
only
grows
bigger
right
between
non-equity
and
Equity
applicants.
I
think
that
we
should
revisit
that
from
the
beginning.
I
think
there
was
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
but
it
was
also
a
very
high
demand
that
need
to
start
in
getting
things
rolling.
R
So
I
understand
that
but
I
think
now,
when
we
look
at
that
through
the
lens
of
you
know,
should
there
be
a
cap
or
no
cap
in
the
city
of
Boston?
We
see
in
that
states.
I
mean
cities
and
towns
in
western
Mass
have
already
done
this
because
they
there
is
a
certain
amount.
There
is
only
so
much
that
get
the
city
ordinary
can
sustain
right,
so
we're
seeing
Northampton
they
put
a
limit
of
like
eight
or
nine
I.
R
So
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
a
cap
on
licenses
through
a
lens
of
equity.
We
should
only
allow
we
should.
We
should
do
a
tally.
First
of
all
how
many
non-equity
Equity
licenses
we
have.
We
should
put
a
moratorium
on
the
amount
of
non-equity
licenses.
Let
the
equity
licenses
catch
up
to
that
number.
Okay
and
then
look
at
the
data
and
say
all
right
how
many
people
are
at
this
at
the
building
permit,
how
many
people
are
stuck
at
their
provisional?
You
know
and
kind
of
balance
things
out
to
see.
R
R
You
know
to
kind
of
get
a
gauge
on
that,
because
we
go
into
these
things
based
on
certain
Financial
models,
I'm,
not
saying
that
how
many
approvals,
how
many
stores
that
get
approved
matter
and
that,
but
it's
changing,
because
Boston
was
the
last
City
one
of
the
last
cities
of
Massachusetts
to
get
their
stuff
together.
So
we
have
people
from
the
city
that
go
to
the
suburbs
right
now
to
call
product
and
once
those
consumer
behaviors
get
created,
they
stay
like
that
right.
R
I
think
what
happened
to
the
gentleman
in
blue
hill,
where
I
can't
Cleon
I
believe
is
his
name.
He
got
approved
and
then
there
was
a
store
that
was
within
200
feet
that
got
approved,
but
that
store
got
approved
on
a
condition
where,
if
Klingon
didn't
move
forward,
then
that
entity
can
move
forward.
I
think
that
that
should
have
been
you
that
that
tool
right
there
could
be
a
lot
more
useful
if
we
apply
it
to
more
locations
than
just
Cleon
situation
on
Blue
Hill
Ave,
it
could
have.
R
It
could
have
been
the
situation
on
in
Brighton,
with
with
the
the
Dr
Green
Thumb
guys
and
the
social
Equity
people
there.
It
could
have
been
more
useful
in
the
Back
Bay
area,
where
you
know
Desi's
proposal
at
329
got
approved
and
then
within
months
there
was
one
another
one
to
prove
that
her
within
her
birthday,
Zone
and
airs
buffer
zone.
Like
you
know,
I
just
think
that
tool,
maybe
should
be
used
a
little
bit
more
when
he's
determining
buffers
all
because
otherwise
we're
just
stacking
them
on
top
of
each
other.
A
B
Yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
chair
and
commissioner
Joyce
for
Kathleen
for
for
staying
with
us
throughout
the
whole
entire
time
and
for
being
open
to
a
what
I'm
going
to
call
like
a
really
thoughtful
exchange
right,
because
you
were
able
to
hear
directly
from
people,
they
were
able
to
provide
some
input
and
I.
Just
think
that
we
need
more
of
this
in
City
Hall.
We
need
more
opportunities
for
us
to
be
in
direct
Community
with
each
other.
B
So
I
think
if
there's
anything
that
we
could
do
differently.
Moving
forward
is
looking
at
what
already
is
is
in
existence.
Listening
through
this
hearing,
identifying
areas
of
improvement
and
creating
space
for
all
of
us
to
have
some
time
together
to
Think
Through.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it
right?
Because
what
I
don't
want
chair
Joyce
is
to
come
back
into
the
space
with
a
whole
bunch
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
that
are
going
to
make
it
a
lot
harder
for
you
to
do
your
job
right.
B
This
dialogue
have
several
working
sessions
so
that
we
can
continue
to
build
with
each
other
and
they
present
something
that
will
pass
legal
muster
right
and
that
will
create
more
hardship
on
our
community
that
we're
trying
to
support
the
administration
and
the
the
commission,
so
I
think
that
all
of
those
things
need
to
be
aligned
for
us
to
get
to
the
finish
line
and
just
in
terms
of
timeline
for
those
folks
who
are
tuning
in.
We
definitely
are
looking
to
do
something
about
what
we've
learned
here
today.
B
B
So
if
you
are
interested
in
informing
that
work,
please
email
our
office
at
julia.mejia,
boston.gov,
and
let
us
know
that
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
movement
if
you
will,
because
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
working
in
different
ways
to
build
out
this
work
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
chair
for
allowing
me
to
sometimes
derail
the
hearing
and
be
like
Oh
I'm
gonna
just
seed
my
time
and
let
people
talk
instead
of
me,
so
I'm.
So
sorry
for
doing
that.
A
Just
want
to
also
just
thank
everyone
that
was
here
today
that
lent
their
voice
and
signed
up
for
public
testimony.
I
also
want
to
just
say
thank
you
to
chair
Joyce
for
all
your
work
and
your
commitment
to
the
city
of
Boston
and
always
being
a
resource
of
information
and
good
I,
always
work
in
collaboration
on
ideas
that
our
office
has
had
with
moving
Equity
forward
here
here
in
the
city
of
Boston.
A
You
know
we
work
on
the
liquor
license
a
home
group
petition
that
we
passed
on
the
council.
That's
now
at
the
state
house
and
I
know
that
you're
you're
always
willing.
You
always
pick
up
the
phone
and
always
I'm
willing
to
to
lend
your
expertise
and
your
knowledge
to
the
conversation.
So,
thank
you
so
much
chair,
Joyce
and
thank
you
to
everyone
else
for
doing
the
work
and
I.