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City Services & Innovation Technology- Docket #0146- Order for a hearing regarding the coordination of construction and utility permits.
A
Calling
this
hearing
to
order
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Kenzie
Bach
I'm,
the
district
8
City
councilor,
and
also
the
chair
of
the
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology.
This
hearing
is
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov,
city-council,
TV
and
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
8,
RCN,
channel
82
and
FiOS
channel
964..
A
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket0146
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
the
coordination
of
construction
and
utility
permits.
It
was
sponsored
by
councilor,
Flynn
and
counselor
Coletta
and
we're
joined
here
today,
I'm
by
the
co-sponsors
council
president
Ed
Flynn
of
District
2,
counselor,
Gigi
Coletta
of
district
one
and
then
also
by
my
at
large
colleague,
counselor
Aaron
Murphy
at
large
written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.csit
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
We
will
take
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
A
So
if
you
want
to
sign
up
for
that
in
person,
you
can
do
so
on
the
sheet
near
the
door
and,
if
you're
looking
to
testify
virtually
please
email,
Megan
Cavanaugh
at
megan.kavanaugh
at
boston.gov,
that's
Meghan,
dot
k
a
v
a-n-a-g-h
at
boston.gov
Megan.
You
can't
move
the
cursor
right
there
when
I'm
doing
that
m-e-g-h-a-n
dot
k-a-v-a-n-a-g-h
at
boston.gov,
for
the
link
and
Megan
will
send
that
to
you
and
your
name
will
be
added
to
the
list.
A
We
always
ask
folks
to
just
kind
of
try
to
keep
public
testimony
relatively
brief,
so
that
we
can
get
everybody
in
and
yeah
and
I
will
go
to
my
colleagues
for
some
brief
opening
statements
in
order
of
arrival,
starting
with
counselor
Coletta,
councilor,
Flynn
and
then
councilor
Murphy
and
then
I'll
introduce
the
administration
panel.
We're
grateful
to
have
a
number
of
our
Administration
and
agency
partners
with
us
here
today,
so
without
further
Ado
councilor
Coletta.
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair
Bach.
My
understanding
is
that
this
is
the
last
time
you
will
be
chairing
a
hearing
here
in
the
Boston
city
council.
So
it's
a
Bittersweet
time
for
us
and
I
feel
very
lucky
that
this
is
a
docket
that
I've
sponsored
and
thank
you
always
for
your
partnership
in
this
work
and
just
to
so
appreciate
you
I
want
to
thank
you
all
so
much
for
joining
us
in
this
conversation
today.
B
I
want
to
thank
co-sponsor
council
president
Ed
Flynn
in
helping
me
to
present
this
order
regarding
issuance
and
coordination
of
construction
and
utility
permits
in
the
city
of
Boston.
I
also
want
to
thank
my
counselor
colleague
at
large
Aaron
Murphy
for
being
here
as
well.
I
brought
this
forward
just
to
table
set
and
to
provide
a
framework
for
this
conversation.
B
The
city
is
growing
exponentially
and
for
its
densest
neighborhoods,
like
my
hometown
of
East
Boston,
the
North
End
in
South
Boston,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
when
it
comes
to
road
work,
Street,
excavation
and
development
projects
that
require
digging
and
the
temporary
loss
of
parking
on
our
city
streets.
What
I'm
seeing
in
East
Boston?
What
I
have
seen
over
the
last
three
years
is
somehow
all
of
the
real
work
happening
at
any
given
time
takes
place
at
the
same
time
within
two
or
three
block
radiuses
and
I
asked.
Why
is
this
happening?
B
Why
is
there
no
sort
of
coordination,
particularly
in
Eagle
Hill?
In
2019?
There
was
a
large
project
done
by
a
quasi-governmental
agency
who
was
here
that
they
were
digging
up
a
hundred
year
pipes,
while
there
were
other
utility
companies
around
the
block
replacing
their
infrastructure,
while
other
numerous
development
projects
shut
down,
sidewalks
and
streets,
while
the
city
was
also
repaving
streets,
and
this
all
happened
at
the
same
time
again
within
a
three
to
four
block
radius.
B
This
is
still
happening
to
this
day
and
we
will
hear
from
folks
from
the
Jeffrey's
Point
neighborhood
association,
Grove
Street,
neighborhood
association,
who
will
be
a
part
of
the
public
testimony
component.
The
problem
is
not
the
work
right.
These
things
will
happen.
Our
city
continues
to
grow
and
and
get
enhanced
through
various
projects.
Digging
up
streets
is
necessary
to
improve
our
infrastructure.
B
I've
already
had
an
incredibly
informative
walk
with
the
public
works
department
and
I
want
to
thank
John
who
just
walked
out.
We
had
an
awesome
walk
last
summer,
where
I
learned
a
lot,
and
so
I've
also
had
conversations
with
some
utility
companies,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
again.
So
my
goal
with
all
of
this
is
just
to
get
information
right.
B
No
pun
intended
I
tried
to
avoid
it,
but
I
said
it
anyway
and
then
adequate
Community
notice
what
you
all
are
doing,
especially
the
utility
companies,
what
you're
doing
to
just
inform
residents
that
this
is
taking
place.
So
thank
you
again
for
being
here
and
I.
Look
forward
to
the
discussion.
Thank.
A
C
We
we
often
hear
from
residents
about
negative
impact
on
their
quality
of
life.
When
there
are
multiple
construction
projects
being
worked
on
in
their
neighborhood
oftentimes,
you
would
see
a
construction
truck
and
utility
truck
occupying
a
residential
block.
At
the
same
time,
taking
over
parking
spots
and
blocking
traffic,
we
do
need
the
ongoing
maintenance
and
construction
taking
place.
It
improves
our
city
and
improves
the
quality
of
life
for
our
residents.
C
However,
there
is
a
lack
oftentimes
there
is.
A
lack
of
adequate
notice
to
Residents
in
Neighbors
would
not
know
that
there
would
be
multiple
construction
projects
going
on.
At
the
same
time,
when
residents
would
return
back
to
the
streets,
they
would
have
a
challenging
time
finding
a
parking
spot
as
well.
Circling
the
block
frequently
so
I
think
it
would
be
productive
for
us
to
coordinate
in
issuing
construction
and
utility
permits
so
that
we
can
maximize
the
possibility
of
having
multiple
projects
going
on,
at
the
same
same
time,
on
the
same
street
and
I.
C
Also
want
to
thank
the
city
Administration
for
being
here,
but,
more
importantly,
for
the
important
work
you
do
and
helping
build
a
stronger
City
for
all
of
us.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
companies
that
are
here
and
the
representatives
for
the
important
work
they
do
when
working
closely
with
City
officials
on
these
construction
projects
be
a
professional
you
work,
hard
and
you're
improving,
you're,
improving
City,
the
quality
of
life
of
City
residents.
C
I
also
know
that
Council
Coletta
is
working
on
or
creating
a
a
system
in
in
Boston,
so
that
we
can
better
coordinate
the
timing
of
this
ongoing
work.
Construction
work
into
better
informed
residents
about
the
projects
on
this
street,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
council
Coletta
for
thinking
and
addressing
that.
That's
that's
really.
The
the
heart
of
the
matter
is
trying
to
come
up
with
a
system
where
everybody
knows
exactly
what
might
be
taking
place
on
a
particular
street,
so
City
officials
can't
coordinate
with
elected
officials.
C
You
know
at
residents
about
the
impact
this
might
have
on
on
their
home
on
on
their
family
or
their
quality
of
life.
So
again,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
councilor
Bach
I
want
to
say
Council
to
say
thank
you
to
consulate
and
also
to
the
the
city
team.
That's
here
that
does
a
tremendous
job
working
for
the
residents,
along
with
the
various
utility
companies
that
are
in
our
neighborhoods
frequently,
but
also
improving
The
Proven
the
lives
of
Boston
residents.
A
D
You
chair,
thank
you
for
being
here,
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
conversation
and
thank
you
to
the
lead,
sponsors,
councilor,
Coletta
and
I
appreciate
your
opening
remarks.
Talking
about
you
know,
bringing
people
together
and
just
trying
to
figure
this
out
fact-finding
and
even
in
the
title
of
the
hearing
order
like
how
do
we
coordinate.
We
know
that
there's
lots
of
construction
going
on
on
different
streets
all
different
times.
We
get
a
lot
of
calls
in
our
office
as
an
at-large
Council
from
all
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
the
work
has
to
happen.
D
E
You
chair,
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
for
bringing
us
together
and
I,
want
to
just
uplift
and
highlight
that
today
is
counselor
box
last
hearing
on
the
council,
and
this
morning
she
chaired
her
last
virtual
hearing
and
she's
wrapping
up
her
time
with
us
here
in
the
ayanella
chamber,
and
what
better
way
to
do
this
when
we're
talking
about
building
and
being
destructive,
so
I'm
here
for
all
of
it.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
for
being
here.
E
I
wanted
to
just
say
that
in
the
short
term
that
I've
been
here
in
office,
we
as
an
at
large
city
councilor,
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
people.
It's
like.
Oh
my
God
eversource
was
just
here
and
now
National
Grid
is
digging
up
and
there
we
need
to
do
better
in
terms
of
coordinating
and
really
figuring
out
how
we
can
do
our
projects
in
ways
that
are
timely
and
I.
E
We
are
up
at
six
o'clock
in
the
morning,
but
sometimes
it
seems
like
residents
are
calling
our
office
and
complaining
about
the
the
time
frame.
So
I
know
we
can't
stop
business
because
we
got
to
keep
on
keeping
on.
But
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
talk
about
some
sort
of
timing,
some
sort
of
schedule
I've
heard
from
business
owners
to
that
when
there's
construction
happening,
there's
disruption
happening
to
their
business
as
well,
like
people
are
parking
in
spaces
that
they
shouldn't
or
taking
up
occupying
space.
So
just
curious
about.
E
If
you
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
I'm
here
more
so
to
support
councilor
Bach
in
her
last
hearing,
because
we
have
been
colleagues
for
a
while
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
showed
up
in
support
of
your
last
one
here
for
now
and
to
support
counselor
Coletta
for
bringing
this
to
the
chamber.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
F
Thank
you,
councilor,
chair,
Bach,
and
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
what
you've
brought
to
the
council,
we'll
miss
having
you
on
this
body
and
we'll
miss
you
chairing
as
a
colleague
and
I
want
to
thank
my
Council
colleagues
for
bringing
this
matter
to
the
floor.
I
also
just
want
to
start
by
thinking
the
incredible
work
of
our
departments
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
I.
Think
a
lot
of
you
and
the
work
that
your
departments
do
are
from
transportation,
to
Public
Works
to
ISD
or
really
unsung
heroes.
F
I
have
seen
the
commitment
firsthand
from
small
issues
to
like
someone
not
having
their
trash
picked
up
and
me
sending
an
email
and
30
minutes
later
the
trash
being
picked
up
to
the
incredible
work
that
our
inspectors
do
at
ISD
and
so
I'm
excited
one
for
Budget
season
to
see
how
we
can
further
support.
The
Departments
excited
to
you
know
be
in
this
conversation,
for
the
reasons
that
my
colleagues
have
stated
as
an
at-large
City
councilor.
We
get
all
of
the
calls
all
of
the
emails
from
around
the
city.
F
So
we
know
when
folks
are
upset
in
the
North
End
and
when
they're
upset
in
Jamaica
Plain
and
when
they're
upset
in
East
Boston,
and
so
it's
our
charge
to
work
alongside
our
colleagues,
our
district
colleagues,
to
try
to
mitigate
these
issues
and
that
we
try
to
do,
and
we
know
that
no
one
here
wants
to
cause
anyone
a
headache
or
wants
to
create
quality
of
life
issues
for
any
of
our
residents.
But
it's
sometimes
what
results
when
there
isn't
the
coordination
that
we
know
is
possible
if
we
will
put
our
heads
together.
F
So
it's
great
to
have
folks
here
from
Boston
Water
and
Sewer,
from
BTD
from
ISD
from
public
works
to
think
about
how
we
can
do
better
at
coordinating
to
decrease
the
number
of
emails
we
all
get
and
the
number
of
complaints
that
we
all
get.
We
got
to
get
these
small.
You
know
not
sometimes
they're
very
loud.
Actually,
these
big
issues
right,
so
that
residents
can
trust
us
with
with
some
of
the
even
bigger
issues
and
so
I
look
forward
to
counselor,
Coletta
and
counselor
president
Flynn's
leadership
on
this
issue.
F
As
we
work
to
coordinate
permits
and
make
sure
that
we
have
cranes
in
the
sky,
which
is
what
you
know,
represents
a
developing
in
robust
City,
but
that
when
we're
doing
it
we're
doing
in
a
coordinated
fashion,
that
is
the
least
disruptive
possible
to
all
of
our
residents.
So
thank
you
and
look
forward
to
the
discussion.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
councilor,
luigien
and
all
and
all
district
8
counselor.
This
comes
up
all
the
time.
I
think
everyone
knows
we
have
really
old
infrastructure
in
my
part
of
the
city
and
it
does
require
frequent
repair.
But
when
it
does,
it's
very
disruptive-
and
you
know
I'm
just
thinking
of
my
my
own
neighborhood
of
Beacon
Hill,
there's
a
large
number
of
streets
that
we
seem
to
never
be
able
to
repave,
because
there's
always
a
impending
project
or
an
ongoing
project.
Lately.
A
So
definitely,
looking
forward
to
discussing
this
in
Greater
depth,
I'm
gonna,
go
down
to
the
panel
and
I
should
have
asked
in
advance
what
order
you
wanted
to
go
in
so,
okay,
great
excellent,
so
we're
thrilled
today,
extremely
close
to
his
first
day.
Is
it
what
day
number
is
it?
Okay,
don't
press
the
button
second
week?
Okay!
A
So
yes,
in
his
only
his
second
week,
our
new
deputy
chief
for
transportation,
Nick
Gove,
is
with
us
here
in
the
chamber.
I
will
let
you
know
Mr
Grove,
that
usually
they
let
people
get
a
few
more
weeks
in
before
they
have
to
come
to
the
chamber.
So
somebody
you
know,
didn't
look
out
for
you
there,
but
but
we're
really
glad
to
have
you
and
obviously
thrilled
to
have
you
in
this
deputy
chief
role
and
he's
also
joined.
We've
got
Chris
English,
the
chief
of
staff
to
ISD.
A
Here
we've
got
John
visella
chief
engineer
for
public
works.
Here,
we've
got
Ed
hesford
our
traffic
engineer
at
BTD
and
then
after
we
hear
from
the
city
departments,
we'll
go
to
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
represented
here
by
John
Sullivan
chief
engineer
and
Irene
McSweeney,
the
chief
of
operations.
So
it
is
definitely
an
All-Star
panel
here
and
we're
grateful
to
all
of
you
for
making
the
time,
but
we'll
lead
off
with
deputy
chief
gov.
G
Thank
you
thanks
thanks
for
having
us
here
today.
So
again,
my
name
is
Nick.
Gove
and
I
joined
the
streets
department
last
week
as
the
deputy
chief
of
streets
for
transportation.
My
duties
also
include
the
role
of
the
Boston
Transportation
commissioner,
before
I
hand
over
to
both
Ed
and
John
I'm,
just
going
to
do
a
brief
overview
of
the
streets,
cabinet
coordination,
efforts
related
to
utility
and
construction
permits
in
the
city.
G
Of
these,
approximately
65
percent
were
Street
occupancy
permits
and
35
percent
were
Street
excavation
permits.
Streets
cabinet
continues
to
modernize
and
improve
these
processes.
So,
for
example,
last
year,
almost
a
year
ago,
in
May
of
22
Public
Works
rolled
out
the
the
new
portal
for
excavation
permits.
H
So
Ed
Hazard
I'm
the
chief
engineer
for
construction
management
and
permitting
within
the
transportation
department.
So
my
staff
and
myself
review
excavation
requests
for
the
traffic
management
plans
that
are
submitted
that
we
check
for
public
safety
issues
such
as
pedestrians,
cyclists,
vehicular
traffic.
We
look
at
demographics
that
are
around
the
construction
meeting:
schools,
hospitals,
you
know
senior,
centers,
etc.
Those
are
all
things
that
we
look
for
in
the
review
of
these
permits.
They're
a
sure
amount
of
them.
H
It's
you
know,
is
quite
a
quite
a
bit,
but
my
staff
does
a
yeoman's
job
on
on
handling
those
type
of
things.
I
deal
with
John
visella
on
a
daily
basis
on
coordination
issues
with
Public,
Works,
Irene
and
John
from
water
and
soar,
just
as
of
Saturday
at
like
midnight,
we're
talking
on
the
phone
about
a
water
main
break
that
was
out
at
Congress
in
High
Street,
so
that
that
communication
line
is
certainly
there.
It's
something
that
we've
been
dealing
with
each
other
for
over
30
years
same
with
John
and
John.
H
John
has
50
years,
but
we
won't
go
there
yet,
but
there's
certainly
a
known
entity
within
you
know
the
city
organization
and
the
utilities
with
National
Grid,
with
Joe
Carroll
and
with
obviously
water
soar
also
with
eversource.
You
know
we.
We
have
a
working
relation
with
these
folks
that
if
complaints
come
into
the
counselor's
office
and
they're
contacting,
we
know
about
it,
we
pick
up
the
phone
or
we
go
right
out
there
and
we
will
resolve
that
issue.
H
H
You
know
we
we
deal
with
the
suffix
of
the
world
or
John
Moriarty
or
any
of
the
major
Builders,
as
well
as
the
smaller
ones,
and
they
have
to
come
up
with
construction
management
plans
that
basically
before
we
will
permit
anything,
we
want
to
see
what
their
construction
methodology
is,
where
the
public
safety
plans
are,
and
it's
reviewed
by
my
staff
as
well
as
within
the
public
works
department.
You
know
for
the
permitting
process,
so
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
you
know
we
get
into.
H
I
I
We
make
sure
that
they
are
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
following
the
permits
that
have
been
issued
to
them,
as
in
their
times
that
they're
working
their
TMP,
their
traffic
management
plans
and
other
things
like
that
for
safety
like
pedestrian
safety,
bicycles
and
other
other
types
of
things
like
that
at
the
end
of
the
day
or
the
end
of
the
job.
We
go
out
to
make
sure
that
their
workmanship
was
what
the
city
expects
and
we
work
with
them.
I
I
We
also
will
be
collecting
fees
for
any
of
the
work
that's
done
through
Public
Works,
permitting
section,
and
anybody
that
works
in
the
city
needs
to
be
bonded.
So
we
wanted
to
them
to
make
sure
that
they're
bonded
that
they're
people
that
work
there
have
the
proper
licensing
and
that
the
companies
are
in
good
standings
with
things
like
osher
and
other
departments
like
that,
I'm
here
also
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
in
those
regards
anything.
I
can
help
you
with
be
glad
to
answer
them.
J
I'm
sorry
Chris
English,
chief
of
staff
for
the
inspectional
services
department,
I,
don't
really
have
a
formal
opening
statement.
Our
Department
issues
permits
on
private
property,
primarily
I,
think
much
of
what
we're
discussing
today,
sort
of
falls
out
into
the
public
realm
of
utilities.
But
we
know
that
you
know
our
40
000
permits
that
we
issue
every
year
do
require
a
lot
of
work
that
ends
up
out
in
the
public
realm.
A
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
John
Sullivan
chief
engineer,
boss,
water
sewer,
since
we
dig
and
put
in
seven
to
ten
miles
of
water
pipe
annually
and
three
to
five
miles
of
sewer
and
drain
annually.
I
thought
I'd
just
kind
of
go
over
the
process
we
do
for
planning.
In
June,
we
send
a
letter
to
over
40
agencies,
asking
them
what
Capital
Improvements
they
have
planned
in
the
city
of
Boston.
We
accumulate
that
information
and
by
November
of
the
year
we
put
forward
our
plan.
K
We
deliver
the
capital
plan
to
the
mayor,
November
1st
we
hold
a
hearing
during
November.
We
invite
every
agency
within
the
city
and
state
agencies
to
gather,
give
us
any
input
of
what
we
plan
to
do.
Our
board
votes
a
capital
plan
in
December
and
it
begins
in
January
about
that
time.
We
start
entering
all
those
street
names
in
a
code
box
to
let
everybody
know
we're
coming
now.
We
may
not
be
there
immediately.
K
It
takes
a
while
to
do
the
design,
but
everybody
knows
we
will
be
digging
a
street
during
the
design
process
at
50
design.
We
send
the
same
plans
out
to
the
utilities
asking
for
comments.
We
are
the
deepest
utility
in
the
city,
but
for
the
transit
authority
and
the
tunnels.
Sewers
are
extremely
deep,
so
we
need
to
get
in
there
first
and
to
get
down
to
our
pipe.
Sometimes
the
other
utilities
will
have
to
move.
So
that's
a
big
issue
for
us
other
utilities
and
coordination.
K
K
We
then
inform
our
customers
two
weeks
before
we
show
up
in
any
Street.
We
mail
to
the
owner
of
the
property
and
we
own
to
the
customers,
if
they're
just
there.
So
if
the
owner
lives
not
in
the
property,
but
some
other
place
will
send
notices
to
residents
at
whatever
the
street
address
is
and
then
then
we
show
up
and
then
the
process
starts,
it's
a
long,
arduous
processes
of
deep
holes,
deep
excavations,
we
we
work
with
the
CIU
unit.
We
work
with
transportation,
see
how
things
are
going
is
the
issue
of
parking.
K
The
people
will
complain
about
dust
and
dirt
which
comes
with
construction.
We
help
move
rubbish
barrels
to
the
end
of
the
street
while
we're
blocking
off
streets
so
that
the
rubbish
was
picked
up.
So
we
believe
we
have
an
extremely
coordinated
effort
in
the
long-term
capital
plan
that
we
have
we've
been
doing
that
since
1980.
K
L
So
the
Operations
Division
at
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
is
a
24,
7
365
operation,
where
manned
all
hours
of
the
day
and
nights,
we
respond
to
all
the
emergencies
of
failed
casting.
If
we
can't
get
out
there
in
the
middle
of
the
night
to
fix
it,
it
gets
plated.
We
have
a
water
main
break,
we
respond.
We
have
to
turn
the
system
off.
We
make
the
repairs,
we
also
coordinate.
All
of
our
efforts
with
Public
Works
John
will
send
over
to
us.
L
His
five-year
Capital
program
operations
will
ensure
that
all
the
sewers
and
the
drains
on
those
streets
that
he
plans
on
fixing
get
televised.
We
also
have
three
crews
out
on
the
street
every
day,
doing
Leak
Detection
looking
for
water
main
leaks
or
breaks
that
haven't
surfaced.
Yet
we
leak
detect
every
mile
that
John
plans
on
Paving.
L
L
When,
during
that,
we
find
we,
we
provide
the
same
process
that
the
engineering
department
does.
We
give
notice
to
the
butters
two
weeks
in
advance.
We
get
a
permit
from
Ed
who
sets
the
parameters
for
the
day,
the
time
when
we
can
and
can't
work.
If
we
need
a
detour,
we
we
submit
that
to
Ed
as
well
for
approval.
L
We
also
when
we
have
an
emergency
project
like
we
had
a
sewer
backing
up
in
the
north
end
and
the
sewage
was
entering
a
building.
We
found
the
defect
we
had
to
bring
in
a
contractor.
We
do
emergency
Flyers
to
the
customers
that
are
going
to
be
impacted
a
couple
of
days
before.
If
we
know
it's
going
to
be
two
days
during
a
active
emergency,
we
also
have
Dolores
Randolph
and
her
her
Department,
it's
Communications.
They
have
people
on
site
and
help
us
coordinate
with
notifying
the
abutters.
L
We
also
are
responsible
for
coordinating
with
National
Grid
eversource
vicinity,
Boston
Housing
Authority,
the
MBTA
for
water
entering
their
systems.
We've
done
a
lot
of
Investigations
this
past
year
on
groundwater
issues,
or
is
it
a
water
main
leaking
underground
that
enters
their
system?
Obviously,
for
eversource
and
vicinity
they
can't
have
water
intruding
into
their
systems,
because
that
creates
problems
for
them.
L
How
do
we
keep
the
public
informed?
We
have
a
pretty
extensive
website
every
street
that
John
goes
to
or
my
projects
go
to.
If
you
could
click
on
your
street
in
the
website,
it
actually
tells
you
the
limits
of
the
work
or
the
scope
of
the
work,
and
then
you
can.
It
has
a
contact
for
who
you
can
notify
when
we
have
an
emergency
Dolores
again
will
put
a
notice
up
on
the
website,
making
sure
that
everyone
is
known
when
we
do
have
those
emergencies.
We
have
a
bwsa
emergency
report,
that's
generated
again.
L
John
and
Ed
are
included
in
that,
as
well
as
other
people
in
public
works.
National,
Grid,
eversource
and
vicinity
are
all
included
in
that
notice,
obviously
in
downtown
area,
if
we
are
impacting
the
steam
company,
they
want
to
know
right
away
and
they
won't
let
us
dig
if
they
have
an
issue
on
their
system
first,
so
we
do
coordinate
with
that
as
well
and
then
the
last
thing.
Unfortunately,
people
hit
our
utilities,
whether
it's
a
private
contract
or
another
utility.
L
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Irene.
Thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
we're
going
to
go
straight
to
council
questions,
starting
with
counselor
Coletta
and
not
just
for
colleagues.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I
know.
People
are
going
to
have
lots
of
questions
for
this
panel,
so
I'm
going
to
set
a
timer
for
eight
minutes
when
it
when
that
goes
off.
I'll
just
raise
my
gavel
and
then
you
have
another
two
just
to
wrap
up:
okay,
so
counselor
Colette.
You
have.
A
B
You
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
your
initial
comments
and
and
opening
statements,
I'm,
very,
very
informative
and,
of
course,
I'm
approaching
this
conversation
that
I
have
a
lot
to
learn.
This
is
exactly
why
we're
having
this
hearing
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
there
is
a
lot
of
communication
between
all
of
you.
You
know
wow.
These
projects
are
taking
place
right.
B
The
kobuk
system
and
I
want
to
either
dig
up
the
street
or
partially
obstruct
the
street.
What
what
do
I
have
to
do?
Who
do
I
talk
to?
How
does
that
system
work?
And
then,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
know
that
you
get
your
approval
from
public
works
and
then
you're
out
there
and
ensuring
that
they
are
compliant.
But
if
you
could
just
walk
me
through
that
process
and
then
anybody
else
who
has
information,
please
feel
free
to
jump
in.
I
Sure
I
can
do
that
Council,
so
kobach
system
was
created
back
in
about
2008
and
it's
basically
a
reservation
system.
So
what
we
do
is
we
use
this
kobach
system
to
protect
our
resurfacing
program
in
the
city
of
Boston.
That
is
basically
what
it's
meant
to
do.
We
do
not
want
to
pave
the
street
and
have
an
entity
whatever
utility
come
in
and
say.
We
now
need
to
put
a
main
through
here,
so
they're
going
to
dig
up
a
newly
paved
road.
I
So
what
we
did
is
we
have
every
Street
in
the
city
listed
a
utility,
a
private
developer
contractor
private
contractor
would
come
in
and
put
in
a
reservation.
We
would
then
enter
into
the
system
our
work,
our
resurfacing
work
where
there
are
conflicts.
We
can
then
stop
the
conversation
who's
going
to
go
in
first
and
who's
going
to
go
in
after
and
sometimes
Waters
will
tell
you.
Sometimes
we
say
we
have
to
do
this
street
now
and
you
will
have
to
wait
so
that
is
basically
the
gist
of
the
kobach
system.
I
It's
a
reservation
system
for
the
for
use
of
our
protecting
our
resurfacing
system.
A
contractor
would
come
in
and
they
would
on
a
portal
put
in
their
request
to
do
the
work
with
the
limits
and
the
type
of
work
that
it
is.
They
also
put
in
a
time
frame.
Sometimes
the
bigger
companies
will
put
in
a
job
that
might
be
three
or
four
years
out
so
that
we
know
that
it's
coming
sometimes
there's
something
like
a
development
that
comes
sooner
and
quicker.
We
might
only
have
six
months
to
discuss
this.
I
This
situation,
there
have
been
many
times
that
we
go
out
to
resurface
the
street
that
we
see
in
kobux,
there's
a
conflict
and
we
have
settled
the
conflict.
We
usually
get
them
in,
get
them
out
so
that
we
can
resurface
the
street
and
the
residents
don't
have
to
deal
with
a
patch
and
a
bump.
If
you
will
on
that
nice
new,
smooth
ride,
that's
the
gist
of
the
kobach
system
and
why
we
use
it.
K
We
also
have
private
contractors
building
homes,
they
come
to
us,
they
get
permission
from
us
to
connect
to
our
pipe,
but
then
on
their
own.
They
enter
into
kobach
system
and
they
get
their
own
permits
from
the
city.
So,
although
it's
a
water
and
sewer
service,
it
is
in
hours
till
after
it's
installed.
So
this
is
the
private
contractor
with
a
set
of
plans
and
they
deal
with
the
city
directly.
B
And
so
because
I
just
haven't
seen
it
and
I
haven't
worked
with
the
system
at
some
point,
I
would
love
like
a
demonstration
where
we're
in
and
I
could
see
everything,
but
using
your
words
as
as
a
reservation
system.
Is
there
a
possibility,
because
this
whole
hearing
is
about
coordinating
and
making
sure
that
there
aren't
multiple
things
impacting
negatively
impacting
residents
at
any
given
time?
Is
there
an
opportunity,
within
this
system
to
zoom
out
and
see
exactly
what
is
happening
in
close
proximity?
B
I
Would
love
to
say
yes,
but
no
we
cannot
do
that.
Kobox
was
created
basically
to
protect
the
resurfacing
system,
so
it
doesn't
work
with
occupancy
permits.
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
those.
It
also
doesn't
input
out
the
work
that
might
be
going
on
from
other
things
like
development
and
stuff
like
that,
wouldn't
really
be
recognized
in
the
system.
It's
what
is
being
dug
excavation
in
the
roadway
in
the
right-of-way
for
the
city.
That
would
be
a
great
tool,
but
we
do
not
have
that
tool.
I
M
I
B
Do
you
have,
and
just
moving
on
to
the
to
the
other
bucket
of
this
conversation,
so
you
are
in
charge
of
enforcement
and
compliance
of
how
our
street
looks
like
or
what
actually
looks
like
moving
forward?
What
sort
of
enforcement
mechanisms
do
you
have?
Do
you
have
the
ability
to
find
certain
companies
that
you
know
have
have
dug
up
a
street
and
they
did
not
leave
things
the
way
they
should
or
there's
still
tools
spread
about
the
the
street.
I
No,
we
do
not
have
any
enforcement
in
fines.
We
did
try
that
in
the
beginning,
when
we
created
construction
inspection
units
CIU,
but
that
was
something
we
just
weren't
able
to
put
together.
What
we
do
do
is
we
we
cost
the
contract
this
time
and
that
cost
them
money
to
slow
them
down.
We
would
shut
them
down.
I
The
contractor
would
then
have
to
arrange
for
what
we
call
a
shutdown
meeting,
so
they
would
come
to
our
facility
for
100
Frontage
Road
and
meet
with
a
construction
inspection
unit,
and
we
would
go
over
what
the
issues
were,
how
we
resolve
them
and
then
at
the
end
we
would
we
we
started
to
make
almost
like
a
report
card.
That
would
say
these
people
are
good.
These
people
are
bad.
We
don't
really
have
too
many
bad
plays.
I
We
have
mistakes
that
are
made
and
we
have
a
little
bit
of
laziness
of
sloppiness,
sometimes,
but
most
of
the
contractors
out.
There
know
what
we
want
and
they
really
do
strive
to
do
a
good
job
that
that's
what
we
do
with
them.
It's
a
lot
of
conversation
and
it's
a
lot
of
working
with
them
to
get
the
job
done
in
the
manner
that
we
want.
M
I
H
The
the
transportation
department
in
combination
with
John's
folks
I,
have
a
Boston
police
officer
signed
with
us,
also
myself,
and
if
it's
private
development
you
know
outside
the
utilities
of
their
their
problems,
that
residents
are
having.
You
know:
councilor
Flynn
we've
been
on
site
a
few
times
relative
to
you
know
the
contractor
developer
behaving
correctly
and
taking
you
know,
paying
a
little
bit
more
respect
to
the
community.
We
certainly
have
the
ability
to
shut
them
down
and
in
tandem
with
Chris
and
commissioner
Leiden.
So
you
know
we
have
the
building
permit.
H
We
have
the
street
permit
and
we
basically
have
that
as
some
leverage
that
we
can
get
them
to
come
into
conformance
in
a
you
know
and
with
their
permits
and
respect
in
the
community.
So
we
do
that
quite
often,
and
and
again,
like
John
said,
there's
not
a
lot
of
bad
players,
but
sometimes
they
they
get
a
little
sloppy
and
they,
you
know,
get
a
little,
maybe
lazy,
and
they
need
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
attention.
So
we
give
them
that
wake-up
call.
H
So
but
overall
it's
been
working,
you
know
fairly
well,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
construction,
but
you
know
we
have
good
communication
again.
You
know
between
John,
polavors,
Chris
and
ISD.
You
know
we
we're
a
good
team
that
you
know
we're
having
problems
with
a
specific
contractor
and
whoever
is
you
know,
ballywick
or
permit
it
is
we're
going
to
assist
them
in
making
that
the
contractors
comply
to
their
permits.
So
that's
that's!
On
the
private
development
side
also.
M
H
B
B
You
know
who
is
responsible
for
signing
off
on
those
sort
of
permits
and
then,
if
a
company
goes
beyond
that,
what
sort
of
enforcement
do
we
have
to
make
sure
that
they
are
meeting
their
that
window?
Because
folks
have
said
to
me,
you
know
I
thought
that
I
was
going
to
have
my
street
back
by
June,
and
it's
August
and
I
still
can't
park
there,
because
they
have
permits
taking
up
everything
and
they
still
haven't
done.
The
work
so
I'm
wondering
who,
who
has
that.
H
Would
be
under
my
office,
and
you
know
my
engineers
and
stuff:
it's
a
30
at
the
most
it's
a
30-day
permit.
Nothing
can
be
issued
for
over
30
days
based
on
the
scope
of
the
work,
and
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
after
30
days
and
they're.
Looking
for
a
renewal.
We
want
an
update
and
schedule
of
where
they
are
and
why
the
work
is
not
completed.
M
H
That
that
occurs
on
a
daily
basis
in
the
department
I
know
with
commissioner
Buck
actually
counselor
buck
soon
to
be
a
commissioner
but
I
deal
with.
You
know:
Patricia
Tully
over
the
Beacon
Hill
civic
association
in
your
office
with
the
Avery
and
there's
a
renewal.
If
there's
questions
they're
into
my
office,
they
want
answers.
We
get
the
answers,
so
there
is
that
renewal
process
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
team
back
with
the
contractor
developer,
to
get
a
schedule
and
get
a
justification
of.
Why
they're
looking
for
a
renewal.
M
I
You
yep,
if
I,
can
just
jump
in
on
that
Council
too,
in
the
smaller
jobs
just
to
piggyback
on
what
Eddie
was
saying
on
the
smaller
jobs,
it
might
only
take
a
couple
of
days.
We
try
to
give
them
a
little
bit
more
time
because
the
city
gets
weather
so
when
they
go
out
to
do
a
job
that
might
take
a
week
if
we
just
give
them
a
week-
and
we
have
three
days
of
rain,
then
that
pushes
everything
back
where
if
we
have
a
small
job,
we
might
give
them
a
two-week
window.
I
The
most
we
give
is
a
one
month
window,
but
that
does
allow
for
that
weather
aspect
of
things
and
there's
also
other
things,
maybe
they're
restricted
in
their
time,
because
there's
a
school
and
you
can't
work
an
eight-hour
day.
So
so
a
three-day
job
might
take
five
days.
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
fluctuation
on
the
back
end
and
usually
we
we
get
done
before
the
permit
says.
So
we
look
good
the
larger
Jobs
go
on
and
they
do
get
renewals.
B
C
C
I
Issues
OSHA
issues:
we
have
a
form,
that's
a
Maddox
Higgins
form
that
is
filled
out
yearly
by
the
contractors
or
utilities
that
states
that
they
attest
that
this
is
the
information
that
they
Supply,
as
if
they've
had
any
issues
with
OSHA
in
the
last
three
years,
and
they
sign
off
on
that
form.
Yearly
that
form
is
kept
on
file
in
a
permitting
office
has
to
be
attached
to
every
permit
that
they
submit
through
the
portal.
That's
one
of
the
requirements
to
get
a
permit.
You
have
to
have
that
form.
C
If
there
is
a
need
to
do
emergency
construction
on
a
particular
Street,
for
whatever
reason,
whether
it's
a
city
state
agency
or
it's
a
it's
National
Grid
or
if
it's
eversource
or
or
another
company,
so
with
that
emergency
permit,
the
work
would
be
done.
But
are
we
able
to
try
to
coordinate
with
other
city
or
state
agencies
or
with
the
construction
companies
that
would
normally
do
work?
C
Are
we
able
to
figure
out
a
system
where
maybe
someone
is
trying
to
do
some
work
on
that
particular
Street
in
a
year
from
now
in
in
the
street,
is
already
open
because
of
emergency
work?
That
needs
to
that?
Is
that
is
happening,
but
is
there?
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
at
least
relay
to
that
other
City
Department
that,
since
the
street
is
open
Maybe,
you
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
the
area
of
the
street?
C
H
Is
like
Dorchester
Avenue,
Bridge
yeah,
where
the
streets
close
we
encourage
them.
We've
got
good
compliance,
Water
and
Sewer
National
Grid
to
get
in
there
and
start
doing
their
their
Capital
upgrades
within
the
street
while
it's
available
during
that
time.
So
we
try
to
take
advantage
of
those
type
of
situations
we're
going
to
have
a
long-term
event
and
to
get
those
upgrades
in
and
proactively
getting
them
in.
So
it's
a
one-time
in
a
route
and
not
back
in
so
anytime
that
we
see
an
opportunity
like
that.
We're
obviously
going
forward.
L
I
have
another
comment
on
that
sure
oftentimes,
edible,
oftentimes
Ed
will
call
our
office
and
identify
that
there's
a
private
contractor
coming
in
to
do
a
service
connection.
If
it's
a
water
connection
and
our
contractors
on
the
street,
we
allow
our
contractor
to
provide
a
quote
to
them
so
that
it's
done
all
at
the
same
time
and
also
Ed
will
notify
us
so
that
if
they
want
to
get
in
and
do
a
different
type
of
connection,
that
we
will
then
release
the
street
for
them
for
a
day.
C
H
H
H
C
But
what
what
don't
we
have
that
we
could
Implement?
What
are
you
thinking
about
right
now
that
you
wish
we
could
have
in
the
system
or
what
system
don't
we
have
that
we
could
develop?
That
might
help
us
as
we
try
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
Boston
residents.
What's
the
recommendation
you
want
us
to
do
to
improve
improve
quality
of
life,
the
Boston
residents,
we
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
We
want
to
get
advice,
suggestions
from
you
on
what
is
outstanding.
That
needs
to
be
done
in
terms
in
terms
of
potential
coordination.
H
I
think,
as
John
has
pointed
out,
you
know
we
have
a
basically
a
building
block
with
a
kobik
system
that
eventually
that
you
know
we
have
the
ability
or
we
can
have
the
ability
to
potentially
look
at
expanding
that
that
you
know,
platform
to
you
know,
look
at
the
various
ways
that
we
may
improve
it
for
reservations
and,
overall,
you
know
bigger
view
of
what's
going
on.
But
at
this
point
it's
it's
not
right.
C
C
So
so,
when
we,
when
you
guys
come
for
the
budget
budget
hearings,
could
one
of
you
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
city
council
is?
We
need
more
money
in
the
budget
for
this
system
and
it
might
not
be
in
the
the
recommendations
we
already
made
to
the
mayor.
The
council.
Is
we
want
you
to
get
it
done?
What
do
you
say
on
that?
John.
D
D
And
then
the
workers
that
are
on
the
street-
and
you
know,
is
a
lot
so
I
applaud
that,
but
then
kind
of
what
council
president
Flynn
had
ended
on
we're
coming
into
budget
season
like
what
can
we
do
on
the
council
to
help
make
sure
that
you
have
what
you
need
to
continue
the
coordination
and,
like
you
said
most,
if
not,
you
know
almost
all
of
the
players
out
there.
They
want
to
do
right.
Sometimes
things
don't
go
right,
but
best
intentions,
so
in
assuming
that
everyone
has,
you
know
out
there
with
best
intentions.
K
Well,
I
would
think
we
we
have
two
major
programs,
one
in
selfie
and
one
in
East
Boston.
There
are
seven
year
programs.
We
are
already
planning
to
be
at
the
location
for
seven
years.
If
there
was
a
GIS
system
along
with
coal
bucks,
we
could
enter
into
it
work.
We
were
planning
to
do
four
years
from
now,
so
that
everybody
else
can
pre-plan
their
Capital
programs
together,
but
without
a
GIS,
some
kind
of
representation.
K
You
can't
really
put
all
the
streets
together
and
you
know
you,
you
can't
imagine,
put
a
picture
in
front
of
you
and
we
could
populate
that
because
in
selfie
we'll
be
there
another
six
years
and
doing
almost
every
street
and
in
East
Boston
and
we
haven't
finished
the
design
counselor.
That's
why
you
don't
have
it
yet.
K
We
we're
going
to
be
doing
most
of
the
streets,
taking
water,
sewer
and
drain
lines
out
and
we're
going
to
be
there
a
long
time
and
then,
when
we
do
it,
we
will
be
interrupting
the
gas
service
because
we
will
be
digging
under
them,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
come
in
and
maybe
Communications
and
electrical
will
want
to
too
Street
lighting
may
want
to.
So.
K
If
we
had
a
thing
where
we
could
not
just
worry
about
next
year,
but
give
it
long
term
and
then
graphically
have
it
represented,
probably
through
call
books,
I
love,
giving
them
extra
work.
So
this
is
really
a
positive,
but
we
could
take
all
of
our
stops
at
working
long
term
and
input
it
and
everybody
could
see
what
we're
planning.
E
E
It
is
budget
season,
so
you
know
we're
going
to
get
to
know
each
other
with
the
questions
that
we're
going
to
ask
you
no
I'm
just
joking
for
those
folks
who
have
this
personality
character
of
me,
don't
believe
the
hype
get
to
know
me
before
you
believe
what
you
have
been
led
to
believe.
I
am
not
that
difficult,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
just
curious
in
terms
of
your
multilingual
and
in
your
ability
to
get
communication
out
to
folks
in
multiple
languages.
E
I
know
that
you
know
I
understand
that
the
way
the
city
ordinance
that
we
passed
not
too
long
ago
that
any
information
that
was
going
to
come
out
in
the
city
of
Boston
in
English
was
going
to
come
out
in
multiple
languages
the
same
day,
not
as
an
afterthought,
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
that's
something
that
has
reached
your
departments.
H
H
L
So
for
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
when
we
send
our
notices
out
generally
two
weeks
ahead
of
time
for
scheduled
work
they're
in
English,
but
at
the
bottom
of
the
document
it
says
this
is
an
important
notice.
Have
it
translated
and
it's
in
like
eight
different
languages
for
that
notice,
so
that
the
people
get
that
translated
for
our
water
main
shutdown
notices.
Currently
it's
in
English
and
Spanish.
L
We're
actually
reviewing
that
right
now
to
see
if
we
can
get
additional
languages,
we
are
also
implementing
a
CSO
plan
for
a
public
notice
of
when
our
combined
sewers
overflow
into
the
harbor
or
a
navigable
river.
Those
boards
have
a
a
cue
on
them
that
takes
you
to
a
website,
and
then
you
select
with
language.
You
want
that
to
be
translated
to
that's
great.
E
E
I!
Think
what
I
see
here
is
you
know.
There's
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
mechanism.
Aside
from
just
you
know,
communicating
amongst
yourselves,
but
that
you
are
able
to
tap
into
maybe
some
of
the
businesses
that
are
nearby.
Is
there
some
communication
with
the
local
businesses
or
just
focusing
on
our
Butters
like
for
in
terms
of
Outreach?
K
K
E
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
because
I've
always
been
so
intrigued.
He's
been
as
a
resident
before
I
became
a
U.S
because
I
was
gonna,
say
U.S.
What
the
hell
was
I
thinking
a
citizen,
City
councilor,
they
would
work
on
my
street
and
I,
don't
know
what
they
were
doing,
but
somebody
was
doing
something
on
the
sidewalk
and
then
they
pave
it
and
everything
would
be
done
and
then
another
crew
will
come
and
do
some
more
work
and
they
would
have
to
open
up
the
street
again
and
close
it.
E
So,
let's
just
say
you
know
what
water
and
sewer
will
be
here
for
May
through
June
right
and
then
so,
and
so
whoever
needs
to
do
whatever
they
need
to
do
will
be
here
from
such
and
such
like.
Is
there
a
way
to
streamline
the
work
so
that
the
the
impact
is
because
you've
completed
a
project
and
then
five
or
six
months
later
you're
back
there
again.
I
I
can
speak
today.
It's
it's
the
basis
of
what
you're
saying
is
what
we
do.
It
is
not
a
timeline
put
on
it,
but
as
John
was
mentioning
about
Blue
Hill
Avenue,
so
they
went
down
and
I
believe
you
were
down
some
35
feet
in
that
location
and
on
Google,
Avenue
being
a
very
old
part
of
the
city.
The
gas
main
there
is
made
out
of
cast
iron,
which
is
in
six
foot
sections
and
the
the
hole
that
they
dug.
I,
don't
want
to
say
Disturbed
it,
but
we
don't
want
to
take
that
chance.
I
The
grid
doesn't
want
to
take
that
chance,
so
when
water
and
soy
gets
done
with
their
work,
National
Grid
is
going
to
come
in
and
they
are
going
to
replace
change
domain
and
go
from
there.
But
there's
no
timeline
given.
So
when
they're
out
of
the
way,
if
I
can
say
it
that
way,
because
even
if
they're
up
the
street
that
could
be
affecting
the
flow
of
traffic,
they
could
be
affecting
businesses
and
parking.
I
So
when
water
and
soars
out
of
the
way
then
National
Grid
will
come
in
and
they
will
repair
the
main
that
I
don't
want
to
say
it
was
damaged,
it
wasn't
damaged,
but
we
don't
want
to
leave
it
in
that
condition
and
they
will
do
their
work.
Their
work
could
take
less
time
because
our
folks
down
here
might
have
hit
some
rocks
some
wedge.
Things
like
that
the
gas
main
might
be
a
little
higher
as
the
gas
main
goes
down
the
street.
I
They
could
have
a
problem
with
the
electrical
line
being
in
the
way
and
then
they
have
to
come
in,
but
there's
no
parameters,
as
in
you
come
in
in
September
and
be
done
by
October
water
in
store
is
in
there.
Now
then
we'll
let
National
Grid
in
when
they
are
done.
We
will
let
anybody
else
in
that
has
to
do
it
as
a
result
of
all
the
work.
The
roadway
would
be
disturbed
and
we
would
look
to
have
that
roadway
resurfaced
which
would
probably
be
about
the
following
year.
Right
and.
K
It's
important
to
note
that
when
we
get
through
without
work,
we
have
to
make
the
area
safe
for
the
citizens,
so
it
looks
like
a
permanent
patch
and
everything
else.
Well,
the
cars
are
going
to
drive
over
it.
People
are
going
to
walk,
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
ensure
the
safety
of
all
citizens
while
we're
out
we're
waiting
for
the
next
guy
to
come
in
that
it
looks
great
shape.
So
that's
why
it
looks
like
we
are
doing
a
finished
job.
In
reality.
E
See
I
appreciate
that
we're
having
this
conversation
because
I'm
telling
you
there
are
people
who
think
that
you're
not
planning
and
coordinating,
but
just
this
whole
idea
that
it
looks
like
it's
finished.
It's
it's
really
about
the
safety
and
I
think
it's
really
important
for
those
folks
who
are
tuning
in
to
understand
the
process,
because
people
make
a
lot
of
assumptions.
So
you
know,
and
I
was
joking
a
little
bit
but
I
do
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
to
help
those
who
are
tuning
in
understand.
A
A
A
So
just
making
that
note
for
colleagues,
if
we
can
keep
second
round
any
questions,
quite
short,
that'd
be
great,
so
yeah
on
on
my
end,
one
question
I
have
is:
do
we
make
a
distinction
in
the
internal
system
between
excavation
on
the
streets?
That's
gonna
result
in
a
narrowing
of
the
street
versus
excavation.
That's
going
to
result
in
a
closure
of
the
street,
so
something
that
takes
up
the
whole
street
such
that
we're
going
to
be
directing
people
around
I
assume
that
we
do
Ed
and
I
guess.
A
I'm
kind
of
curious,
though,
is
that
formalized,
because
one
of
my
agenda
is
completely
separate
from
this-
is
for
the
city
to
eventually
get
to
a
place
where
we
send
out
automatic
notifications
about
street
closures
in
the
city.
It's
something
we
hear
about
all
the
time
and
obviously
that
could
be
for
a
parade
or
it
can
be
for
digging.
So
I
know
it's
not
all
this
system,
but
I'm
kind
of
curious,
whether
the
distinct
the
distinction
is
made
in
the
system.
Absolutely.
H
It
they,
when
the
contractor
or
utility
submits
a
permit
application
that
comes
into
the
online
portal
they're
required
to
upload
a
traffic
management
plan
that
shows
discrete
Dimensions
shows
the
work,
Zone
Dimension,
the
available
bike,
Lanes
travel
lanes
and
basically,
what
that
impact
is
going
to
be
where
we
evaluate
that
that
drawing
I
can
tell
you
that
less
than
10
percent
of
permits
that
we
issue
for
excavation
are
for
street
closures.
We
do
not
issue
street
closure
permits
only
in
rare
circumstances,
because
we
want
them
to
do
it.
First,
Constructor
methodology
that
maintains
that
street.
H
So
we
look
to
work
with
those
contractors
on
that
on
their
construction
methodology
and
what
they
do
and
how
they
maintain
those
important
Street
openings
to
keep
people
in
traveling,
both
by
vehicular
or
by
bus
or
by
you
know,
a
cycle.
We
look
at
that
in
those
drawings
and
my
Engineers
review
those
very
thoroughly
so
is
very
rarely
that
we
will
issue
a
street
closure.
Does
it
happen
absolutely
and
that's
when
we
dispatch
our
people
up
there
to
make
sure
that
they
come
into
compliance
with
that
permit
and
do
not
close
the
streets.
A
H
H
The
you
know
the
the
system,
the
permitting
system
on
the
technical
end
of
it
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
possible,
I
I'm
sure
that
it
may
be.
But
you
know
I'm
not
familiar
enough
with
the
the
program
itself
to
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
good
answer
on
that.
But
I
certainly
can
find
that
out
for
you
yeah.
A
And
it's
a
thing
and
also
for
the
deputy
chief.
It's
a
thing
you
know
I
would
say
that
I'm
gonna
follow
up
on,
but
I'm
of
course,
soon
going
to
be
at
trying
to
coordinate
with
you
all
about
closures
of
DHA.
So
I'm
aware
of
a
role
change
here,
but
I
do
think
that
I
want
to
vocalize
as
a
district,
8
counselor
that
we've
you
know
currently,
it
feels
like
the
various
agencies
tell
us
about
street
closures,
some
more
consistently
than
others.
They're
often
just
coming
in
sort
of
PDF
notices.
A
If
you're
a
super
involved
resident-
and
you
sign
up
for
my
newsletter
and
my
newsletter
happens-
to
go
out
a
day
before
the
closure,
then
you're
in
luck.
But
if
all
of
those
Stars
don't
align,
you
don't
necessarily
find
out
about
it
and
I
do
think.
That's
something
it's
outside
of
it's
beyond
this
conversation,
but
this
conversation
would
be
part
of
it.
You
know
for
us
to
just
think
about
how
we
communicate
better
and.
H
M
H
We've
been
implementing
these
miles
of
bike
Lanes
Etc.
It's
become
very
important
within
the
traffic
management
plan
to
accommodate
that
when
when
it
can
be
accommodated,
but
also
if
it
cannot
invoke
the
proper
signage,
the
notification
that
it's
a
shared
Lane,
you
know
bikes
may
use
full
full
width
of
the
rent
Lane
to
get
that
Public
Safety
siding
in
the
traffic
management
plan
for
these
construction.
H
So
it's
an
it's
it's
very
important
for
us,
something
that
my
Engineers
have
been
charged
with
and
they
are
looking
at
that
as
we
speak
and
that's
for
been
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
it's
it's
evolving
and
we're
really
getting
the
message
out
to
the
utilities.
Private
development,
as
a
increase
out
onto
our
roadways,.
A
Great
excellent
yeah,
no
definitely
just
important
to
me
and
then
I
I
know
we
have
this
system,
which
I
think
that
we
sort
of
in
Boston
we're
relatively
early
to
Pilot
and
others
have
copied
the
system
of
putting
those
little
colorful
tiles
in
the
patches
on
the
road.
When
folks
do
do
that,
Patchwork.
A
So
that's
if
folks
have
ever
seen
in
the
city
what
looks
like
a
bottle
cap
embedded
in
the
asphalt,
and
you
think
that
that
it's
some
piece
of
litter
left
behind
it
actually
is
telling
us
which
entity
did
the
roadway
patch
so
that,
if
it's
not
absent
enough,
we
can
hold
them
accountable
for
it
later.
I
am
kind
of
curious
I
hear
you
John
on
the
you
know.
Obviously
this
whole
system
is
is
pivoting
around
resurfacing
it.
A
It's
still
seems
anecdotally,
like
there's
quite
a
large
number
of
streets
where
we
live
with
patches
for
quite
a
long
time
before
we
get
back
to
do
a
full
resurface.
So
I'm
kind
of
curious,
like
what
the
failure
rate
of
those
are
like
and
how
often
we're
actually
chasing
up
people
about
an
inadequate
patch
and
kind
of.
If
you
can
just
talk
me
through,
like,
like,
obviously
the
systems
in
design
to
hold
people
to
account
so
then
kind
of
what
does
that
look
like.
I
So
the
the
tags
that
you
see
recognize
who
did
the
work?
What
year
they
did
the
work
most
of
the
failures
on
that
become
come
through
either
settlement.
So
the
deeper
you
go,
the
more
chances
you
have
of
the
material
around
that
piece
of
pipe
moving
as
things
settle,
so
the
failures
tend
to
be
either
rather
quickly
because
we
have
some
settlement
or
one
of
the
failures
that
we
have
is
there's
so
much
work
in
the
city,
so
much
development
that
the
crews
that
we
have
making
these
permanent
Restorations.
I
So
that
would
be
a
gray
tag
with
the
city
on
that,
the
crews
that
we
have
doing
the
permanent
arrest,
iterations
they're
doing
a
good
volume
of
work,
but
they're
not
keeping
up
with
the
amount
of
utility
work
that
goes
on
in
the
city.
Every
time
we
build
a
large
high-rise,
they're
bringing
in
a
gas
main
an
electric
Main
and
things
like
that
to
service
the
new
buildings.
I
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
lag
and
we're
trying
to
keep
up
some
of
the
failures
come
because
the
patches
tend
to
get
a
little
bit
old.
The
utilities
are
responsible
for
those
patches
for
the
first
three
years.
If
anything
is
older
than
three
years,
the
city
would
go
in
and
repair
whatever
needs
to
be
repaired.
A
I
A
Think
that's
certainly
the
perception
of
my
constituents
so
I'm
kind
of
curious.
What,
if
any
incentive
we
put
in
place
for
folks
to
not
because
I
can
I
can
easily
see
with
the
reservation
system?
I
mean
it's
like
if
there
weren't
a
penalty
and
I
hadn't
made
a
decision
on
where
I
wanted
to
take
somebody
for
dinner,
I
just
might
Reserve
three
or
four
different
restaurants
and
ghost
three
of
them
right.
A
So
I
can
sort
of
see
the
incentive
where
somebody
would
put
a
bunch
of
reservations
in
your
system
and
then
not
have
the
full
staff
capacity
to
to
do
that.
But
then
it's
sort
of
no
skin
off
their
nose,
I
mean
I'm,
sure
there's
a
bit
of
money
related
to
it,
but
not
not
enough
to
change
the
behavior.
So
I
guess
I'm
curious.
I
In
speaking
with
the
reservations,
the
contractors
are
really
not
supposed
to
stockpile
any
materials
on
the
roadway
things
like
that.
It's
a
little
bit
difficult
for
us
to
control
if
they're
working
late
and
they
they
leave
some
material
they're
mostly
plates
you'll,
find
some
people
leave
some
plates
around
and
we
get
on
them
about
that.
I
But
when
they
have
a
permit
on
a
street
from
beginning
to
end,
they
they
have
those
no
parking
signs
and
they
do
use
those
no
parking
signs
with
a
monthly
date
on
there
and
they
do
take
up
a
lot
of
space.
I.
Don't
know
how
we
can
Rectify
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
that's
something
that
we
can
put
our
heads
together
to
maybe
give
them
smaller
areas
or
or
try
to
control
them
a
little
bit
more.
I
A
Well
and
I,
guess
and
again
it
might
be
a
little
bit
of
a
zoom
out
question
too,
because
my
objection
isn't
even
that
they're
doing
all
of
Anderson
Street.
It's
that
the
same
guys
have
a
contract
for
all
of
Anderson
Street,
all
of
Charles
Street,
like
a
significant
section
of
Myrtle,
Street
and
they're,
like
only
on
one
of
them
at
once,
and
yet
we've
got
like
you
know:
we've
got
the
water
filled
barriers
taking
up
spots,
we've
got
kind
of
like
random
pipes
sitting
around
and
it's
just
like
I
mean.
A
If
I
could
reserve
half
the
health
to
store
my
materials
and
cars
overnight.
I
would
do
it
too,
like
again
right,
like
I,
mean
incentives
like
it.
It
makes
sense,
but
I
just
think
like
it
feels
as
though
we
should
have
some
check
that
says.
Can
you
really
do
all
this
work
right
now
and
if
not,
can
we
actually
prioritize
it
and
hey?
You
might
have
to
store
some
of
your
stuff
back
in
your
yard.
You.
H
Know
and
specifically
the
Anderson
Street
I
know
it's
been
a
problem
and
I've
had
numerous
conversations
with
Feeney
brothers
and
with
National
Grid
from
Joe's.
Here
you
can
answer,
but
but
it's
certainly
something
there's
some
technical
issues
that
they
get
into
while
they're
working
on
the
street
they're
waiting
for
parts
of
pipes
or
you
know,
joints
Etc
and
they
have
to
move
on
while
that
is
in
stock,
because
there's
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
getting
materials
in
on
time
because
of
the
delays
Etc.
H
But
we
try
to
work
with
the
contractor
to
take
signs
down
as
they're
not
working
to
give
the
residents
the
opportunity
for
that
parking
during
that
time.
So
that's
that's.
A
conversation
I've
been
having
with
National
Grid
with
Terry
Cleary
and
with
the
contractor
Feeney
Brothers,
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
not
taking
up
the
area
that
they
don't
need
or
they're
not
working
and
when
they
need
to
do
that
then
repost
the
street.
So
that's
a
conversation.
That's
going
on
right
now,
great.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
your
questions.
I
would
say
it
is
anecdotal
for
you.
It
is
also
anecdotal
for
me,
where
I
thought
it
was
the
norm
like
I
thought
that
you
are
allowed
to
store
your
materials
on
the
street.
That's
just
how
bad
it
has
gotten
in
East,
Boston,
and
so
just
thinking
through
these
30-day
extensions.
What
you
were
describing
is
exactly
what's
happening
in
in
East
I'm
wondering
if
you
said
that
they
have
to
come
back
to
you
right,
it's
every
30,
30
days
and
apologies.
B
If,
if
I
misspoke
earlier
I
thought
it
was
two
to
three
months
worth
of
a
window,
because
that
is
what's
happening.
So
if
they
come
back
to
you
and
they
say
okay,
can
we
do
another
extension
for
30
days?
Can
we
cross
reference
like
3-1-1
tickets,
for
example,
where
somebody
has
put
in
like
hey
these
materials
have
been
here?
Can
we
do
something
about
this,
like
code
enforcement
working
with
John
just
to
reel
in
some
of
these
Bad
actors
like
what?
What
is
what
does
that
look
like.
H
Yeah
I
mean
obviously
in
the
specifically
useful
I
said:
would
your
staff
will
I
deal
with
Sebastian?
You
know
all
the
time
and
on
specific
issues
that
come
in
that
he's,
receiving
or
he's
seeing
and
through
the
3-1-1
we'll
get
that
and
we
can
Team
back
with
the
permittee
to
basically
go
over.
You
know
corrective
actions
and
have
that
discussion.
So
that's
going
and-
and
we
really
appreciate
especially
yourself
and
the
staff,
all
your
staffs.
You
know
input
into
that.
H
B
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
kind
of
wanted
I
want
to
bring
it
back
a
little
bit
too
and
I
promise
I'll.
Be
brief,
because
we
do
have
some
folks
just
waiting
from
the
public
to
provide
some
comments.
We
have
some
folks
in
the
audience
as
well
when
you
get
down,
but
it
seems
like
it
really
should
be
based
on
what
you
were
saying
from
Boston
Water
and
Sewer,
that
you
were
at
the
lowest
level.
B
Well,
the
transit
system
is,
and
then
it's
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
and
then
it
might
be
utility
companies
and
then
whatever
else.
What
is
is
that
the
the
standard
process
to
which
street
worked
happens?
Do
you
have
to
get
in
there
first
is:
is
there
a
policy
on
the
books
where
you
need
to
get
in
first
and
then
utility
companies.
I
B
K
Done
so
silver
pipes
can
last
100
years.
You
may
rebuild
the
street
five
times
during
that
hundred
years.
You
may
replace
a
gas
Main
in
the
40th
year,
an
electric,
a
new
electric,
maybe
down
there
with
the
60th
year
we
televise
our
sewers
and
see
what
shape
they're
in.
So
we
can
say
it's
in
good
shape
without
doing
anything.
K
The
water
means
they
last
about
100
years,
so
we
have
cleaned
and
lined
the
inside
of
most
of
them
already,
and
then
we
take
a
judgment,
call
whether
the
pipe
is
ever
broken,
whether
we
can
wait
another
five
ten
years
for
it,
it's
not
a
problem.
So
it's
it's
really
a
judgment
call
and
all
this
stuff,
depending
on
how
old
we
don't
have.
K
There
is
not
enough
money
to
replace
everything
you
own
when
someone
else
has
an
opportunity
to
get
in
there,
so
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
build
on
top
of
us.
So
when
we
do
go
in
there,
we
don't
have
them
move
we
go
and
do
our
stuff.
They
have
to
come
back.
So
that's
the
coordination
that
we
do
work.
L
Something
yes!
So
generally,
when
they're
doing
the
shallower
water
mains,
though
National
Grid
with
their
contractor,
usually
come
in
ahead
of
us,
because
they're
generally
we're
here
and
they're
kind
of
piggybacked
right
on
our
shoulder,
we're
five
feet
down
there
three
feet
down,
so
we
coordinate
with
National
Grid
and
those
notice
letters
when
we're
doing
water
work,
we'll
say:
National
Grid
will
be
coming
in
ahead
of
us
to
move
their
water
main
or
their
gas
Main,
and
then
we'll
come
in
behind
them.
L
So
we
we,
when
we
do
just
the
water
side,
we
are
advising
them
it's
kind
of
like
a
two-phase
project
and
then
Joe
and
his
team
will
send
us
locations
where
they
do
need
to
get
in
and
they
have
their
own
requirements
for
encroachment
for
eight
inch
cast
iron,
Mains
and
smaller.
They
must
replace
them.
L
So
we
we
do
a
lot
of
coordination
with
National
Grid
and
they
usually
come
in
ahead
of
us,
except
on
large
sewer
jobs
that
are
deep
if
there's
no
place
for
them
to
move
ahead
of
us.
They
come
in
behind
us,
but
they're
monitoring
their
gas
main
the
entire
construction
process.
To
make
sure
it's
not
leaking.
B
This
is
all
just
very
fascinating.
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
maybe
take
a
field
trip
out
to
one
of
your
work
sites
and
actually
watch
you
all?
Do
this
and
and
fully
understand,
I
mean
it's
easy
to
sit
here,
but
for
everything
that
you
all
do
I
think
for
us
to
be
better
counselors
to
advocate
for
our
district
efficiently.
I
think
we
all
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
all
of
this
works,
which
is
why
we're
here
but
I,
think
having
a
front
row
seat
would
be
beneficial
to
me.
N
B
Okay,
under
all
the
safety
guidelines
and
everything
perfect
I'm,
seeing
heads
not
awesome.
My
last
question
is
just
around
notice
and
I'm
very
happy
that
my
Council
colleague
Mejia
asked
about
language
accessibility
and
trying
to
get
the
word
out
there,
as
as
best
as
we
can.
I
would
like
to
see
and
I
guess.
This
is
more
of
a
suggestion
rather
than
a
question,
but
I
would
love
to
see
at
some
point.
B
This
notice
system
that
councilor
Bach
is
saying
in
all
languages
based
on
what
is
required
through
through
census,
tracts
right
in
East
Boston,
it's
in
Spanish
and
Arabic.
Actually
we
have
a
high
population
of
Moroccan
individuals
in
our
neighborhood
and
having
it
go
out
electronically,
or
at
least
having
somebody
put
the
notice
on
your
door
in
the
same
way,
we
do
it
with
the
butters
meetings.
I
do
get
things
in
the
mail
from
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer.
B
B
It
says
that
in
eight
languages,
okay,
then
I
then
I
miss
that
and
thank
you
for
for
clarifying
that.
I
would
like
to
have
everybody
just
go
out
to
the
community
groups
as
well
and
really
utilizing
social
media
as
a
way
to
get
information
out
there.
That's
where
people
find
their
information,
so
just
encourage
all
of
you
to
try
to
utilize
that
as
best
as
you
can
and
then
let
us
know
too,
because
we
have
a
wide
Network.
B
We
have
newsletters,
we
have
our
own
social
media
channels
and
we
want
to
be
dispersing
the
most
accurate
information
possible
right.
So
we
should
all
be
on
the
same
page
from
the
very
beginning,
and
then
that
way
we're
not
getting
questions
like
hey
what
is
going
on,
and
then
we
don't
know
right.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
coordinating
with
all
of
you,
so
that's
it
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
all
again
for
being
here.
This
is
really
informative.
B
C
You,
madam
chair
again,
thank
you
to
the
panel
I'll.
Try
to
be
brief.
One
issue
that
I've
focused
on
probably
the
most
over
the
last
six
years,
is
pest
control
and
continue
to
have
conversations
and
hearings
on
it.
With
with
my
colleagues
in
with
in
with
the
mayor's
team,
how
important
is
pest
control
during
the
construction
phase
and
what
are
you
looking
at
and
what
are
you
what's
your
responsibility
in
terms
of
pest
control,
Services
during
construction
in
after
Construction
on.
K
C
Well,
what
I'm,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
and
I
think
the
city
of
Boston
the
the
workers
that
work
on
Pest
Control
issues?
Are
they
I
think
they
do
an
exceptional
job?
I
think
we
need
more
resources
and
funding,
but
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
one
Department
that
overall
works
on
Pest
Control
Outreach
pest
control
strategy,
whether
it's
someone
from
whether
it's
or
maybe
it's
a
different
about
a
new
department.
L
Can
tell
you
on
large
construction
projects.
Isd
will
send
over
whether
it's
a
low,
medium
or
high
level
of
active,
rodent
activity
in
the
neighborhood
once
that's
stipulated,
then
the
conditions
that
go
into
the
contract
book
identifies
how
much
rodent
control.
You
must
do
whether
you're
baiting
once
a
week
checking
it
once
a
week
every
other
week
once
a
month.
So
then
the
contractor
has
to
then
go
out
before
it
even
starts
Construction
for
our
jobs.
He
baits
all
of
our
drain
and
sewer
manholes
and
all
of
our
catch
basins.
L
C
Okay,
that's
good
to
know
what
can
what
can
I
do
to
help
improve?
What
kind
of
my
colleagues
do
to
help
improve
the
quality
of
life
of
residents
on
Pest
Control
during
Construction
in
after
construction?
Is
there
something
that
we
can
focus
on
that
would
improve
Public
Health?
That
would
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
residents.
K
C
J
C
H
Mind
and
police
details
are
a
component
of
the
traffic
manner
of
plants
submittal
and
that
we
review,
and
basically
you
know,
put
into
the
permit
the
numbers
that
would
be
required
for
a
certain
activity
that
that
is
part
of
the
public
safety
plan.
The
traffic
management
plan,
so
they're
they're,
based
on
what
the
scope
or
the
invasive
invasiveness
of
the
work
is
basically
is
what
we,
how
we
require
that
that
component
of
the
permit?
Okay,.
C
No,
that's
that's
good
information
in
in
the
majority
of
times
when
a
street
has
to
be
when,
when
construction
has
to
take
place
on
a
straight,
the
street
is
partially
closed.
Not
not
fully
closed.
Is
that
is
that
right.
That's
correct!
Okay
and
I
and
I
say
that,
because
when
it
is
partially
closed,
you
do
need
police
presence
in
the
interest
of
Public
Safety
to
navigate
traffic,
but
also
on
pedestrian
safety
issues
as
well.
A
A
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
because
I've
been
mystified
and
sorry
that
this
has
turned
into
a
Beacon
Hill
Clinic,
but
I've
been
mystified
by
the
fact
that
we
quite
consistently
have
an
officer
on
Anderson
when
the
work
is
going
on,
but
we
can't
get
an
officer
For
Love
or
Money
Down
at
MGH,
where
we've
got
like
really
serious
trucks
crossing
a
really
major
pedestrian
intersection.
I
think
this
has
to
do
with
the
need
for
us
in
the
Police
contract
to
change
so
that
we
can
prioritize
and
I
don't
I
recognize.
A
This
is
not
the
right
forum
for
that
question,
but
I
did
find
myself
wondering
whether
there
was
some
kind
of
prioritization
for
the
utility
work
that
was
causing
that
Dynamic
and
so
I,
just
because
at
the
same
time
frame.
So
it's
not
like
a
time
frame
difference.
So
I
wondered
if
anyone
here
would
have
any
insight.
H
On
that
I'm
I
I'm,
not
speaking
for
the
police,
but
you
know
they
have
their
own
detail
system.
That
they've
worked
out.
It's
a
requirement
on
our
permits
for
number
of
offices,
but
I'm
glad
to
report
that
Mass
General.
As
of
recently
there's
been
a
lot
of
activity
with
the
police
on
those
Gates
now
and
it's
really
getting
filled.
So
we're
very
happy
about
that.
That's.
A
A
concern
of
ours
as
well-
that's
that's
great!
That's
excellent!
Yes!
Noah
we've
been
pushing
on
it.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that.
Okay
and
then
just
you
guys,
don't
I
know
you
said
you
the
Cobalt
system.
You
don't
really
do
the
construction
safe
I
mean
you
do
construction
safety
in
your
office
but,
for
instance,
these
issues
about.
A
I
We
look
at
all
excavations
in
the
the
process
of
the
Maddox
Higgins.
They
had
to
tell
us
what
they've
had
for
any
kind
of
violations,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
key
in
on
on
certain
people
that
might
have
some
violations,
but
it
also
prevents
them
from
getting
permits
if
they
have
violations
that
are
numerous
and
things
like
that
they
could
quite
possibly
not
even
get
a
permit
in
the
city
of
Boston.
We
do
not
get
involved
with
OSHA.
We
allow
OSHA
to
do
their
job.
I
If
there
was
an
instance
that
we
had
a
situation
and
someone's
in
a
12-foot
trench
with
no
Shoring,
and
we
would
notify
somebody,
but
we
we
do
not
have
jurisdiction.
I
think
the
word
would
be
to
to
do
OSHA's
work.
We
just
maintain
the
backfilling.
That's
what
we're
looking
for
to
make
sure
that
they
do
it
properly
use
the
proper
materials
from
the
proper
plants
and
that
the
surfaces
properly
restored.
A
Issue
right
recently
with
Maddox
Higgins,
if
we
don't
really
have
any
internal
track,
if
somebody
falsely
files
a
form
saying
that
they're
that's
correct
right,
so
that
remains
an
issue
that
I
think
we
need
to
continue
to
tackle.
And
then
my
last
sort
of
miscellaneous
question
about
this
is
just:
do
you
guys
ever
get
into
the
question
of
the
size
of
vehicles
or
equipment
that
can
be
on
the
roadway?
A
I
asked
this
because
we've
had
a
couple
of
cranes
come
through
paintney
street
that
have
taken
out
trees
because
they're
like
way
too
big
for
the
street
that
they
were
going
down
and
I'm
just
curious,
whether
in
your
approval
of
these
plans,
you
ever
say
gee.
That
looks
like
much
too
big
of
an
apparatus
for
the
street
that
you're
going
to
be
on.
H
Yes,
so
when
it
comes
to
cranes
or
boom
trucks,
Etc,
we
they
do
submit
the
specifications
and
the
obstruction.
So
if
the
tree
canopy
is
in
the
play,
they're
going
to
have
to
downsize
to
a
specific
crane
side,
so
we
actually
do
look
at
that.
As
far
as
is
it
a
30
ton
crane
or
a
50
ton
crane
and
basically
what's
a
swing
radius
and
what
the
tree
canopy
is
or
any
other
structures
they're
required
as
part
of
their
pick
plan
is
to
identify
that
that
you
know
problem
and
mitigate
it.
A
A
I
think
the
two
big
takeaways
that
I
would
offer
and
again
in
the
spirit
of
somebody's
about
to
cross
the
line
and
come
worry
about
water
and
sewer
and
Gas
and
Electric
in
in
some
of
the
city
property
at
the
BHA
holds,
but
I
think
just
from
a
counselor
perspective.
The
two
big
takeaways
for
me
are
you
know
one.
This
is
a
piece
of
the
puzzle
of
how
do
we
communicate
better
with
with
residents
about
street
closures
and
I?
Think
how
do
we
like
counselor,
colada
and
Flynn,
have
said?
A
How
do
we
move
towards
a
system
where
there's
like
a
little
and
I
recognize
it's
a
different
system
than
code
book,
but
like?
How
do
we
move
towards
the
system
where
some
of
this
great
information
that
you
all
have
internally
can
be
more
easily
communicated
out
and
even
I
mean?
And
it's
no
fault
of
it's
just
like
like
even
the
water
sewer
system,
it
sounds
great,
but
we
know
that
somebody
actually
navigating
to
the
bwsc
website
and
finding
it
like.
A
You
know
we
just
know
as
counselors
that
a
lot
of
that
stuff
is
just
like
every
time.
You
add
a
step,
you
decrease
the
chances
that
somebody's
going
to
find
it.
So
if
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
be
collating
more
and
and
letting
people
say
hey,
this
is
the
zip
I'm
really
interested
in
right,
or
this
is
the
census
tract
I'm
interested
in
will
you?
Let
me
know
ping
me
whenever
there's
something
here:
I
think
that
would
be
amazing,
but
recognizing
do
it's
not
in
the
room
and
that's
probably
a
future.
A
Do
it
conversation,
and
then
this
other
question
is
about
how
we
crack
down
on
folks
who
are
biting
off
more
than
they
can
chew
and
sort
of
avoid
systems
where
and
especially,
look
I
get
supply
chain
issues.
But
to
me
everybody
is
suffering
supply
chain
issues
right
now.
If,
if
the
new
normal
is
that
you're
waiting
on
critical
pieces
for
nine
months,
then
like
you,
need
to
adjust
your
schedule
or
like
just
wait
until
the
pieces
are
in
to
start
I
mean
it's
kind
of
how
I
feel
about
it.
A
A
N
N
N
N
It's
concerning
to
me,
as
a
citizen,
the
city
that
we're
utilizing
A
system,
that
is
over
15
years
old.
That
was
clearly
meant
to
do
just
one
thing
as
a
way
to
communicate
with
other
entities
within
the
city
as
to
what's
going
on
and
when
it
definitely
sounds
to
me
like
a
major
investment
in
in
new
infrastructure
and
communicating
between
departments
is
is
necessary.
N
Basically,
their
statement
was
that
they
weren't
able
to
operate
their
buses
down
the
street
because
there
was
so
much
construction
going
on
the
you
know.
I
also
wonder
if,
if
that's
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
we
need
to
be
making
sure
of
when
when
projects
are
happening,
that
the
MBTA
is
notified,
so
if
they
do
need
to
adjust
routes
or
anything
like
that
going
to
the
the
parking
issue,
which
is
one
of
the
biggest
ones.
N
Currently,
we
have
a
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
project
going.
Actually
this
isn't
parking.
Excuse
me,
the
the
Elise
detail,
Boston
Water
and
Sewer
currently
has
a
project
going
on
right
now,
at
the
intersection
of
Sumner
and
Orleans
street,
it's
been
going
on
for
a
couple
weeks
now,
they're
in
the
direct
middle
of
the
intersection.
This
is
basically
like
the
main
thoroughfare
into
Jeffrey's
Point.
N
It's
also
Orleans
Street
also
connects
to
the
Boston
Harbor
Shipyard
in
Marina,
which
receives
a
significant
amount
of
large
18-wheel
trucks
going
into
that
Shipyard
right
now,
Orleans
street
is
down
to
one
lane.
Sumner
Street
has
been
basically
almost
blocked,
with
the
exception
of
a
small
portion
of
it.
The
the
entry
to
Jeffrey's
point
no
police
detail
for
days
and
days
and
days
we've
had
basically
18
wheelers
coming
head-to-head
with
residence,
cars,
myself
included
and
there's
no
one,
there's
no
one
there
directing
traffic.
N
It's
it's
a
major
issue,
I've
spoken
to
A7
about
it.
They
say
that
they
don't
have
enough
staff
in
order
to
fill
it,
and
they
know
that
it's
supposed
to
be
there.
So
if
there's
a
traffic
management
plan
in
place
and
the
the
person
who's
doing,
this
project
is
required
to
follow
through
with
this
traffic
management
plan.
Why
is
that
being
left
empty?
N
It's
it.
This
particular
project,
that's
happening
right
now.
I
I
am
completely
surprised
that
a
pedestrian
hasn't
been
hit
or
a
car
has
not
had
an
accident.
It's
it's!
It's
I,
I,
just
shocked
that
it
hasn't
happened.
Going
to
the
parking
part,
the
the
the
councilor
Coletta
and
a
counselor
I'm.
Sorry
I
think
I
forgot
your
name.
Bach
I
apologize
both
stated
the
something
that
I
was
going
to
State.
N
N
I
think
that
we
definitely
need
to
have
a
better
system
in
place
where
all
all
departments
are
communicating
together
and
and
I
love
the
idea
of
them
being
able
to
look
on
a
bigger
picture
as
to
what's
going
on
in
the
neighborhood,
because
East
Boston
last
summer
was
a
mess.
It
was
a
mess.
You
could
not
go,
go
anywhere
in
the
city
without
encountering
some
sort
of
detour
or
road
closure,
and-
and
none
of
it
was
informed
ahead
of
time,
at
least
not
in
a
way
that
most
residents
can
access.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Andrew
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
through
the
whole
hearing.
We
really
appreciate
it,
and-
and
thank
you
again
to
all
of
our
panelists
from
Boston
modern
sewer
and
from
the
city.
I
am
going
to
invite
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
all
yield
these
seats
up
front
here
and
then
invite
National
Grid
to
come
down
and
join
us
check.
Whether
he's
still
got
address
Source
on
the
virtual.
H
A
A
All
right,
I
think
we
may
have.
We
may
have
lost
our
virtual
eversource
person,
so
you
guys
might
be
alone
for
a
moment,
but
but
thank
you
to
national
grid
for
joining
us
today.
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
just
start
by
introducing
yourselves
and
we'll
take
any
opening
statement.
O
Sure
sure,
first
of
all,
Madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
invite
council
president
Council
Coletta,
my
name
is
Joe
Carroll
I
have
36
years
study
at
Boston
gas
in
the
field
and
through
several
Administration
and
with
your
all-star
cast.
That
was
here.
That
is
the
right
word
for
them
and
been
working
with
them
for
a
very
long
time
through
that
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Peter.
I
just
want
to
put
my
word
out
there
council
president
Flynn
mentioned.
P
Good
afternoon
Peter
Nagel
from
National
Grid,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today
and
just
look
forward
to
answering
any
questions.
I
work
in
Joe's
group
and
typically
what
I
do
is
deal
with
the
your
staff's
complaints
to
me
when
we
have
issues.
In
addition,
my
name
appears
on
the
one
of
the
letters
that
Joe
will
reference.
That
goes
out
to
your
folks
and
City
officials,
alerting
folks
to
our
planned
work
in
each
of
the
neighborhoods.
O
If
it's
okay,
I'll
try
to
run
through
and
as
we
listen
I'll
try
to
highlight,
you
know
some
of
that
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
questions
following
it,
but
again,
as
I
mentioned,
Joe
Carroll,
director
of
corporate
Affairs
for
this
area,
with
the
experience
and
within
the
the
city
board
that
you
had
sitting
here
from
Public
Works
Transportation
ISD.
Also
another
key
component
is
the
Neighborhood
Services
Group,
as
well
from
that
apart
from
your
office,
so
that
collaboration
and
coordination
is
critical.
O
O
Logistically
it
doesn't
look
that
way
and
if,
if
and
I
know,
Council
Claudio
you
mentioned
maybe
coming
out
in
the
field,
especially
with
some
of
water
and
soil,
I,
would
love
to
bring
you
out
as
well.
For
that
just
to
see
the
scope
of
where
it
is
first
off,
it's
all
about
Public,
Safety,
Council,
President
Clinton
has
mentioned
that.
From
that
end,
I
know
there
were
some
questions
about
the
work
Zone.
You
know
where
it
is
from
that
end,
it
is
a
key
component
of
everything
that
we
do
at
National.
O
Grid
is
Public
Safety
from
that
end,
from
the
scope
of
the
work
that
we
do
and
we'll
double
delve
into
a
little
bit
more.
We
do
have
scheduled
work.
We
do
have
emergency
work,
we're
also
regulated
by
the
dpu,
so
we
do
have
mandated
work
as
well
that
we
must
ensure
is
completed
on
time
within
the
parents.
I
think
that
Nick
had
mentioned
we
averaged
somewhere
around
2500
2600
permits
a
year
from
that
end.
O
So
if
you
kind
of
narrow
that
down
normally
it's
a
Monday
through
Friday
work
week
for
us,
depending
on
the
area
that
we're
in
that
start,
time
is
probably
later
in
the
morning
and
finishes
early
in
the
afternoon,
so
it
might
be
a
nine
to
a
three
versus
in
some
of
the
other
areas
we
might
be
able
to
do
a
seven
to
four
or
seven
to
five.
There
are
some
areas
where
Eddie
in
transportation
might
indicate
that,
because
of
that
location,
the
weekend
work
is
preferred.
It
could
be
bus
lanes.
O
O
We're
relatively
right
next
to
that
coming
up,
there's
Eileen
has
pointed
out
above
us
is
maybe
some
of
the
underground
electric.
You
have
some
cable
from
that
end
right,
so
you
have
that
type
of
impact.
From
that
end,
with
us
being
the
second
oldest
Gas,
Company
Baltimore
have
beaten
us
out
by
the
first.
It
is
a
lot
of
cast
iron
pipe.
O
There
is
a
law
in
place
and
Eileen
had
mentioned
the
word
encroachment
there
isn't
a
a
law
in
place
that
we
must,
if
our
cast
iron
pipe,
is
impacted
or
if
there's
some
type
of
impact
of
the
soil.
That's
on
the
ground.
We
would
have
to
replace
that
pipe
in
terms
of
the
communication
I'll
treat
you
keep
on
coming
back
to
communication,
so
many
efforts
that
we
do
with
water
and
sewer,
even
though
it's
a
it
could
be
a
good
pipe.
If
they
come
close
again,
we
have
to
replace
it.
O
Our
conversations
might
be
where
they
change
it
a
little
bit,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
it
from
that
end.
But
again
we
will
not
leave
anything
unsafe
on
the
ground
from
that
end.
So
just
in
terms
of
where
we
get
into
it,
there's
a
lot
of
devil
in
the
details
where
you
know
where
it
looks
that
cast
iron
pipe
you're,
probably
coming
in
12
foot
sections,
and
they
they
combine
them
right
there.
So
every
12
feet
there's
a
joint
that
connects
the
pipe.
We
usually
get
questions.
O
O
O
We
try
to
be
right
now
we're
on
Pace
to
replace
somewhere
around
13
miles
a
year,
13
or
14
miles
a
year,
a
cast
iron
pipe,
which
we
call
agent
infrastructure
to
remove
that
we
have
our
own
plans
where
we
have
and
as
as
water
and
Sewell
mentioned,
we
share
each
other
from
that
end
because
usually
we're
we're
in
the
same
area
from
that
street
design
there.
So
it's
probably
in
the
middle
Waters
offset
we're
usually
in
the
in
the
gather
line
for
lack
a
better
word
on
that
side.
O
We
have
right
around
36
Crews
that
are
working,
that's
two
and
three
person
Crews
from
that
they
it
and
we
do
work
in
a
24-hour
period.
So
majority,
of
course,
probably
during
the
day
that
shift
seven
to
three
seven
to
four
around
that
we
do
have
an
afternoon
shift
four
to
midnight
and
we
do
have
an
overnight
shift
as
well.
That
runs
through
Monday
through
Friday.
We
also
have
weekend
coverage
and
those
shifts
rotate.
So
we
do
have
activity
folks
in
the
field
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day,
365
days
a
year.
O
We
really
don't
have
that
type
of
luxury
to
take
any
day
off
from
that
end,
in
terms
of
the
work
that
we
look
within,
that
construction
field,
we're
roughly
right
around
32
to
36
Contracting
Crews,
where
they
will
do
some
of
the
larger
jobs
from
that
end
working
in
terms
of
pipe.
That
is
not
gassed,
anytime,
that
we
have
to
what
we
call
live
in
that
gas
or
introduce
a
new
main
with
gas.
O
The
union
Crews
must
do
that,
so
that
might
be
where
you
see
different
Crews
coming
in,
but
that's
that
is
how
we're
operating
from
now
in
in
terms
of
the
work
Zone
itself
granted,
maybe
years
back,
we
could
be
taking
a
lot,
but
through
working
with
the
public
works
and
from
that
in
we
try
to
coordinate
where
we
are.
But
again
we
need
a
safe
work
Zone
to
do
it.
Every
work
Zone
that
we
have
does
have
police
details
and
the
details
as
Eddie
mentioned,
is
part
of
the
traffic
management
plan.
O
O
Unfortunately,
we've
seen
a
number
of
instances
where
cars
just
Barrel
Rachel
and
it's
it's
it's
tough
when
you're
in
a
hole
and
all
of
a
sudden,
this
car
is
flying
right
at
you
from
that
scope.
Our
infrastructure
normally
isn't
as
deep
as
what
John
and
Eileen
have
we're,
not
down
to
30
feet
from
that
end,
we're
roughly
somewhere
around
the
three
feet.
36
inches
normally,
is
where
we
are,
although
being
the
very
old
city,
we
do
drop
down
some
areas
where
it's
much
steeper
from
safety
OSHA
perspective.
O
Anything
that's
five
feet
in
that
excavation
must,
you
know,
must
have
Shoring
and
then
you
may
actually
see
and
which
is
a
job
I'd
love
to
take.
You
on,
you
may
actually
see
where
our
main
could
be
down
nine
feet.
Ten
feet,
especially
on
Hyde
Park
Ave,
coming
up
the
road
kind
of
runs
up
a
little
bit.
Our
pipe
doesn't
go
with
the
flow
it's
under.
In
order
to
do
that
safely.
To
put
individuals
in
that
hole,
we
will
will
have
to
short.
We
do
have
metal
boxes
that
are
in
some
cases.
O
We
can
utilize
that
if
it's
like
a
five
six
foot
once
you
start
going
down
deeper,
we
actually
use
wood
Shoring
and
that
will
take
time
so
would
sure.
And
if
you
were
to
buy
a
hole,
you
would
actually
see
Timbers
four
by
four
down
into
the
ground,
to
allow
our
workers
a
safe
area
working
once
that
work
is
done,
we
would
remove
the
Timbers
and
then
we
start
doing
the
backfill
from
that
end.
O
It
is
ever
so
it's
gas,
but
if
you
go
from
a
not
then
Narrow
Street
one
way
right
to
maybe
Cummins
Highway
and
Rossi,
you
go
to
Center
Street
in
West,
Roxbury
or
JP
from
that
end,
Blue
Hill
Ave,
going
through
that
that
context
of
that
location
of
Street
and
the
excavation
again
that's
part
of
what
we
have
to
do
from
a
safety
standpoint
anytime.
That
road
closure
is
is
going
off
from
that
end.
That
is
a
coordination
not
only
with
the
crew,
that's
on
scene,
but
with
the
police
detail.
O
If
we
know
beforehand
where
we're
going,
that's
a
conversation
with
Mr
hesford,
because
not
only
is
it
informing
the
abundas
commercial
residential
garbage
who
have
seen
where
it's
people
having
medicine
delivered.
You
know
from
that
end,
whether
it's
the
male,
but
it's
also
critical
that
we
inform
the
fire
department
of
any
type
of
road
closure.
So
they're
well
aware
of,
what's
going
on
and
and
again
that's
another
partner
that
we
work
with
from
that
end,
every
year
we
have
a
training
with
with
them
from
to
review
some
of
that
activity.
O
O
If
it's
an
emergency,
we
work
rain
or
shine
snow
whatever
it
is,
if
it's
a
schedule,
type
job
anytime,
there's
heavy
rain
coming
in,
we
will
not
work
in
that
hole.
You
just
have
to
understand
that
now
you
have
a
opening
in
the
street
and
it's
raining.
It's
going
to
fill
up
that
soil
in
there
we'll
start
diminishing
from
that
end,
so
that
will
cause
more
of
an
impact
from
the
paving
aspect
of
it.
So
that's
another
thing
that
that's
going
on.
O
We
do
have
other
options
that
we
look
at.
We
some
of
the
larger
diameter
cast
iron
pipe
as
as
John
Sullivan
mentioned
some
of
the
lining.
We
do
also
perform
that
from
a
line
in
perspective,
where
we
could
do
several
hundred
feet
from
two
openings.
Instead
of
digging
every
12
feet
from
that,
and
so
we
do
actually
perform
that
type
of
work
from
the
the
other
work
that
we
have
to
look
at
is
from
a
gas
main
replacement
with
existing
customers.
O
O
The
laterals
servicing
the
customers
on
the
even
side
or
the
far
left
has
to
be
replaced,
so
we
will
be
going
across
the
street.
You
know
from
that
end
so
that
that
activity
will
also
Encompass
some
of
the
time
frame
for
where
it
is
on
that
from
the
job
information
or
getting
that
out
to
the
public
as
Peter
mentioned
I'll,
let
Peter
go
on
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
the
Abundant
notices
and
and
if
you
want,
if
you're
not
getting
them
just
please
let
us
know,
but
everyone
should
be
getting
them.
O
That's
that's
running
that
job,
we'll
do
a
full
evaluation
of
the
pipe
that's
in
the
ground
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
replacing
13
to
14
miles,
but
that
work
may
not
be
on
it
that
that
person
would
identify,
if
there's
a
concern
on
that
which
brings
us
back
to
the
call
box
right,
but
brings
it
back
to
our
conversations
from
that
end.
As
you
heard,
John
and
Eileen
mentioned
a
lot
of
their
work
going
on
will
impact
us
and
vice
versa.
We
do
try
to
get
in
beforehand.
O
If
we
can,
if
not,
we
try
to
follow
as
quickly
as
we
can
from
that
one
from
a
city-wide
aspect
of
it
and
unbelievable
job
in
terms
of
Paving
street.
From
that
end,
we
try
to
get
out
ahead
of
that
as
much
as
we
can
there's
a
great
program
going
on
from
that.
We
just
met
the
other
day
in
terms
of
somewhat
of
the
sidewalk
intersections,
where
they're
putting
ramps
from
that,
and
so
again
that's
getting
everyone
in
play
from
the
call
box
itself
back
when
it
started,
and
my
area
covers.
O
Half
the
state
on
the
gas
side.
I
have
been
in
numerous
meetings
elsewhere
and
I
know
that
the
call
box
system
was
talked
about
in
other
areas
as
what
people
should
do
in
terms
of
their
communication.
I
know
it
may
not
sound
like
we
communicate
a
lot,
but
we
we
are
in
touch
with
whether
it's
Mike
roll
John
Eddie
Neighborhood
Services
311
on
the
311
Peter
myself,
Victor
Santana
was
coming
in
and
doing
it
we're
all
on
the
3-1-1.
We
get
emails
right
away.
O
Whenever
it
comes
in,
we
respond
right
away,
we
send
it
to
the
field,
but
that
communication
and
collaboration
is
what
we're
looking
at
and
if
we
see
an
area
where
our
pipe
may
not
be
good,
and
we
want
to
do
something
right
away.
We
will
bring
that
to
John
public
works
or
Boston
Water
and
Soil
eversource
and
say
we
need
to
pull
that
up,
or
vice
versa.
O
If
they're
looking
at
a
role
that
they
want
to
do,
and
it's
not
within
our
three-year
plan
three
to
five
year
plan,
then
we
will
try
to
pull
that
forward
in
order
to
get
that
goal.
So
there
is
a
collaboration
and
coordination
on
that
I'll.
Stop
from
that
I'll.
Let
Peter
just
mentioned
real,
quick
on
the
butter
thing
and
then
I'm
sure
you
have
some
questions.
P
Right
on
a
all,
all
of
our
planned
work
is
show.
Referenced
is
two
week
notice
with
what
we
call
in
a
butter
letter.
That
letter
gives
the
scope
of
work
our
expected
time
frame,
it's
mailed
to
both
the
owner
of
record
and
then
any
Resident
of
record,
and
that
is
both
through
our
gas
customers
and
several
other.
P
Resident
notification
systems
that
we
use
to
ensure
that
people
get
those
letters
that
at
the
top
of
that
letter,
linguistically
there
are
warnings.
If
you
will
to
don't
discard
this
and
please
have
it
translated
or
please
contact
us
for
more
information.
So
there
are
I
think
there
are
six
in
the
header
now.
P
Similarly,
if
it's
a
project
along
a
major
thoroughfare
business
area
or
one
of
the
neighborhood
groups
IDs,
it
I
will
walk
it
and
flyer.
I've
done
that
with
Patricia
Tully
I've
done
that
via
Millie
Rooney's
group
in
the
past
and
others
I,
don't
have
anything
in
East,
Boston,
Council,
Colorado,
so
I
haven't
worked
with
any
of
them,
but
foreign.
P
Interaction
with
the
owner,
a
business
owner
manager
of
record,
providing
my
information
indicating
to
them
the
time
frame
that
we
expect
to
be
in
front
of
their
business
to
impede
parking
and
such
as
Joe
mentioned.
We
work
in
a
linear
fashion
to
install
that
pipe.
However,
once
that
main
is
installed,
we
have
to
come
back
and
do
a
service,
and
he
service
tie
overs,
which
requires
us
to
come
back
to
point
a
if
you
will
so.
It
does
sometimes
appear
to
the
uninitiated
that
we
are
digging
an
area
twice
or
even
three
times.
P
Joe
would
reference
where
dpu
regulated,
so
we
have
to
do.
Verification
holds
at
the
outset
of
a
project
as
well
to
get
a
defined
Corridor
for
where
we're
going
to
put
our
main.
So
there
potentially
could
be
three,
if
not
four
excavations
in
front
of,
say:
72
Oak
Street
on
one
main
project
that
could
take
a
couple
of
months
in
concert
with
that.
P
O
B
B
For
the
purposes
of
this
conversation
right,
we're
talking
about
the
coordination
of
Permitting
and
making
sure
that
things
that
can
be
planned
out
are
planned
out
and
that
the
ultimate
result
is
that
residents
can
move
about
freely
in
their
District
or
they
know,
or
they
can
plan
ahead.
So
for
the
scheduled
work.
Well,
I,
guess:
what
is
the
difference
between
scheduled
and
mandated
work?
We
can
start
there.
O
It
kind
of
falls
in
the
same,
but
some
of
our
maintenance
work
will
will
be
smaller
excavations.
If
need
it
could
be
the
gate
box
cover
could
be
high,
it
could
be
because
of
the
and
again
when
I
mentioned,
the
the
makeup
of
the
pipe
cast
iron
is
protective
steel
and
steel.
We
need
to
have
corrosion
on
that.
We
have
to
check
that
on
a
yearly
basis
as
well
from
from
that.
So
that's
kind
of
the
smaller
mandated
maintenance
work.
The
scheduled
work
could
be
a
new
service.
The
schedule
work
could
be.
O
Some
of
our
investigation
inside
requires
us
to
replace
the
service.
It
could
be
that
again
that
that
crew
leader,
who
found
a
bad
bad
piece
of
pipe,
we
need
to
do
it.
We
need
to
replace
it
so
that
type
of
a
schedule
per
se.
That's
where
we're
looking
for
the
scheduled
work
from
that
end.
What
we
also
try
to
do
is
John
and
Martin
sewer.
Look
at
what
they're
doing
in
the
future.
O
We
also
so
are
looking
at
what
we're
doing
in
the
future
and
then
trying
to
coordinate
that
with
what
the
city
is
doing
in
the
future
and
then
some
of
the
other
Utilities
in
the
area.
We
try
to
bring
that
in
and
see
who's
playing.
Who
should
be
there?
First,
how
we're
going
to
go
from
that?
The
other
aspect
there
is
esteem
company
as
well
downtown
any
pipe
that
goes
within
that
steam
must
be
steel.
O
We
can't
put
plastic
in
it
because
of
the
heat
itself,
so
that
scheduled
work
is
that
type
of
communication
and
and
that
call
box
program
is
where
it's
going
and
again
what
they
call
Redline
streets
or
where
the
major
double
fears.
It's.
How
do
you
perform
that
work
while
minimizing
the
impact
right?
If
we
go
back
as
I
said
36
years,
when
you
go
back,
you
always
had
a
commercial
area
with
no
residential,
so
that
work
could
be
done
after
hours.
Now
that
commercial
is
now
with
residential.
O
O
We
know
so
cold
box
is
part
of
that.
I
think
coal
box
helps
in
AIDS
in
terms
of
what
you're
looking
at
and
planning,
but
the
conversation
on
the
largest
cope
projects
is
at
least
what
what
I've
found
in
the
last
several
years
that
we've
been
doing.
This
is
that
type
of
conversation
with
City
Public
Works.
What
roles
you?
What
roles
are
you
Paving?
You
know
John.
What
are
you
doing
from
that?
Ever
Source,
you
put
a
new
Vault
on
the
ground.
O
O
You
know:
how
are
we
working
that
that
type
of
that
type
of
a
coordinated
effort
is
is
better
done
in
person
and
that's
what
we
do
from
a
like:
a
starting
of
the
construction
season,
where
we're
on
now
running
right
up
to
where
November
is
usually
where
the
construction
season
ends,
and
then
we
go
into
what
they
call
them
winter
moratorium
and
that
went
to
moratorium.
Is
we
go
in
on
a
weekly
basis?
O
Every
week
which
Public
Works
and
we
review
what
we're
doing
or
what
we'd
like
to
do
to
continue
on
by
also
looking
at
what
the
weather's
coming
in,
where
we
can
work,
because
during
the
winter,
you
don't
want
to
put
place
in
there.
What?
How
can
we
minimize
that
type
of
thing
and
again,
with
the
snow
removal
and
the
frost
so
long
long-winded
answer
to
that
scheduled
mandated
and
emergencies
is,
is
what
it's
called.
B
O
B
O
B
O
As
I
mentioned
regulated,
so
you
know
again
rate
base
area,
we
do
plan
out
and
I
will
be
honest
in
terms
of
every
five
year.
Plan
is
a
great
plan.
A
lot
happens
within
year,
one
and
two
that
might
impact
that
third
and
fourth
year,
but
we
have
that
set
aside
right.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
replaced
roughly
about
13
14
miles
of
age
and
pipe
we're
looking
to
do
that
as
well.
If
not
increase
it.
O
So
we're
looking
probably
to
do
15
16
construction
season
of
this
year,
2023
and
then
2024
trying
to
do
again
so
we
have
that
in
play,
but
that
that
type
of
sharing
will
pull
either
our
work
will
pull
their
work
up
or
their
work
might
pull
up
what
we're
planning
in
2026
to
bring
it
back.
So
we
do
have
a
three
to
A,
Five-Year
Plan,
very
comfortable
with
three
years,
two
to
three
again
a
lot
of
things
change,
but
we
will
be
pulling
stuff
from
that
end,
great.
B
B
O
Even
even
on
a
so
when
we
and
I
think
it
has
started
alluding
to
a
little
in
terms
of
the
app
and
notification
on
an
emergency
response
right.
So
someone
calls
a
gas
leak
in
I'm
in
a
service
tech,
I
go
well
I,
investigate,
I,
say
yep.
We
needed.
We
need
to
dig
right
away.
The
crew
would
come
out
once
that
goes.
O
If
foreclosure
were
to
go,
we
would
obviously
inform
Eddie
from
Transportation
because
it
just
impacts
a
lot
more
and
then,
if
you're,
looking
at
that
during
the
daytime,
it's
Logistics
I
know
you
had
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
MBTA.
Some
of
that
you
can
see
where
there
was
bus
line
stops
are
right,
so
you
know
where
it
is
that
type
of
back
and
forth
with
them.
As
well,
trying
not
to
impact
that
morning
commute
the
afternoon
commute
people
that
are
using
the
MBTA
for
travel.
What.
O
We
call
in
that,
so
we
have
an
emergency
permit
number
from
that
end
and
what
we
try
to
do
is
respawn
and
work
that
emergency
within
24
hours.
If
that
emergency
moves
into
okay,
now
we
have
to
replace
a
little
bit
more.
We
then
will
turn
into
an
emergency
permit
over
to
a
public
works
digging
excavation
permit.
That
will
happen
that
day.
That
will
be
a
conversation
from
them.
Okay,.
B
O
It
was
a
major
impact
snow,
so
we
actually
called
and
put
out
that
we
were
almost
at
the
point
of
doing
reverse
9-1-1
within
that
area
as
well.
In
terms
of
what
to
expect,
we
were
all
out
there
talking
to
every
neighbors,
because
it's
cold
right.
If
there's
no
gas,
no
heat,
it's
cold,
we're
trying
to
get
that
going
and
again
that
type
of
just
to
use
an
example.
We
actually
called
because
the
plows
couldn't
get
up.
We
actually
worked
with
Public
Works
in
terms
of
the
sanding
and
going
from
that.
B
O
Have
that
for
an
emergencies
that
we
did
yeah
yeah,
so
just
to
give
you
an
idea
last
year,
which
is
2022
and
I
have
to
apologize
Run
January
to
December
right,
we
run
halfway.
Point,
don't
ask
me
why,
but
that's
how
we
do
it,
but
for
2022
we
had
about
576
grade
one
emergency
leaks
that
came
in
that
we
had
to
respond
to
pulled
an
emergency.
Now
those
emergencies
could
be
just
a
note
of
the
piping.
That's
why
we're
trying
to
replace
the
agent
pipe
it
could
be.
O
O
End
which
increase
of
construction
in
the
field
it
changes
with
the
weather
as
well
during
the
winter
months
from
that
end,
so
it
it's
right
around
there,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
a
major
increase.
You
know
from
that
end
and
just
add
in
some
of
the
other
stuff
that
we're
trying
to
coordinate,
especially
with
the
outside
dining
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
that
work
before
they
started
doing
so
so.
O
C
C
C
O
Thing
so
again,
the
quickly
the
Call
Comes
in
investigation,
I'm,
a
tech
I
say.
Yes,
we
need
that.
We
have
an
emergency
that
we
have
to
date
right
away.
We
can't
some
we
can.
If
there's
a
gas
order,
we
could
probably
schedule
it
to
do
a
replacement,
but
if
we
have
to
work
it
right
away
that
that
calls
into
our
Dispatch
Center,
which
is
staffed,
that's
in
not
pro
that
Dispatch
Center
will
then
notify
a
supervisor
and
a
crew.
If
it's
off
hours,
we
have
off
hours,
proved
we'll
pull
it
in.
O
We
try
to
get
the
closest
crew
without
leaving
another
emergency,
so
we
pull
that
in
within
that
we
also
depending
where
it
is
and
I
think
I
think
Ed
mentioned
it-
that
the
Boston
police
have
a
detailed
office
that
we
call
into
that
to
request.
This
is
where
it
is.
This
is
what's
needed.
If,
if
that
emergency
expands
into
a
greater
scope
and
we
need
to
get
in
some
homes,
we
would
actually
call
ask
for
further
police.
O
We
actually
get
a
say,
I
hate,
to
say
about
a
book
in
terms
of
certain
emergency
permits
that
we
are
allowed
to
use
because
it
could
be
one
in
the
morning
we
couldn't
get
into
maybe
Catherine
Kathy's
office
to
get
a
permit.
So
we
use
that
emergency
permit.
That
has
a
number
linked
to
the
address
where
we're
at
and
then
that
automatically
again
goes
through
that
app
that
we
call
and
that
app
will
go
into
both
Eddie
John.
Everyone
else.
O
That's
on
that
chain
within
that,
so
they
know
that
there
is
a
an
Emergency
say
at
Congress
Street
right
from
that
end
and
we'll
go
from
that.
Conversely,
I
think
there
was
a
water
main
break
the
other
day.
Our
coordination
with
water
and
soar
is
any
type
of
issue
with
that
there
are
there.
Actually
their
office
dispatch
calls
us,
because
we
want
to
go
out
there
from
that
end,
when
we
do
our
training,
we
police,
some
fire
and
public
works,
and
we
have
ISD
from
that
in
on
a
yearly
basis.
O
C
O
No,
we
want
to
respond,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
and
clear
that
there's
no
impact.
The
last
thing
is
again
an
Asian
infrastructure
and,
as
John
outlined
the
scope
of
where
we
are
underground
within
close
proximity
of
that
we
don't
want
water
to
get
in
the
gas
pipe.
If
water
or
moisture
is
in
that
gas
pipe
again
went
right
around
that
Frost
level
during
the
winter.
It
could
impact
the
flow
which
creates
a
different
emergency
in
terms
of
pressure
so
that
that
type
of
coordination
is
there.
O
In
depending
on
the
area
in
question,
it
could
be
a
lot
of
say
granite
or
from
that
end
you
know
if
you're
near
the
quarries
from
that
side,
always
Varsity.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
room,
but
we
we
do
not.
We
try
not
to
share
the
same
trench
from
that
end,
the
the
soil,
lateral
itself
usually
is
much
deeper
from
that
end.
O
Water
is
a
little
bit
up
higher,
but
they
may
have
to
go
around
some
of
the
underground
electric
infrastructure,
even
MBTA
areas
when
you're
around
some
of
the
even
right
outside
with
the
green
line,
the
red
line
from
that
end,
so
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
room
between
that
ceiling
height
of
the
tunnel
and
the
street.
So
you
know
within
that
area,
probably
closer,
but
when
some
of
the
other
areas
we
try
to
stay
away
from
that.
Okay
and.
C
What
do
you
do
during
construction
as
it
relates
to
Pest
Control
during
the
construction
phase
and
immediately
after
after
I
know
Joe,
you
were
listening
to
my
comments
about
Pest,
Control
rats
and
mice
and
and
and
all
of
that
with
the
previous
panel.
But
those
public
health
issues,
as
you
know,
are
critical,
but
just
tell
me
what
you
guys
do
on
Pest
Control
related
issues.
O
It's
similar
and
again
we're
our
trenches,
like
the
three
feet,
we're
using
narrow
we're
running
from
that
end,
so
we're
not
within
that
depth
of
the
skull
thing
where
it
raises,
but
we
do
work
with
ISD
as
well
one
of
the
areas
where
we
look
at
especially
College
move-in
days
around
that
area.
You
know
with
all
the
debris
that's
out
there.
We
try
to
coordinate
with
them
if
they
see
an
issue
from
that
we
start
looking.
O
If
you
go
into
some
of
the
Back
Bay
with
the
Alleyways,
where
a
lot
of
dumpsters
in
the
back,
not
not
a
lot
of
gas
Mains
are
running
in
the
back
of
the
alleyway,
but
there
are
some
Alleyways
and
again
that's
back
on
the
second
oldest
gas
company.
From
that
end,
so
it's
there.
Normally
utility
rooms
are
somewhere
on
the
back
end
of
those
buildings.
So
anything
along
that
nature.
We
would
work
with
ISD
from
that
area
and
other
entities
that
they're
out
there,
but.
O
It
it
doesn't,
it
really
depends
on
what
you
see
where
we
are
a
lot
of
our
work.
Apart
from
the
big
main
work,
a
lot
of
our
work
is
really
five
by
four
holes,
where
it's
right
there
and
not
traveling
that
when
normally
right
in
the
street
anyways
from
that
end,
the
the
good
and
bad
from
the
oldest
gas
company
second
owners,
some
of
those
Services-
have
a
larger
diameter
pipe.
C
O
And
and
the
plastic
again,
the
plastic
that
we're
doing
now
has
to
be
so
city
of
Boston,
predominantly
low
pressure,
meaning
inches
of
water
column.
We
do
have
a
22
pound
intermediate
system
from
that
end,
but
that
new
plastic
that
we're
putting
in
has
to
be
tested
one
and
a
half
times
that
operating
pressure,
so
we're
putting
a
lot
of
air
in
that
to
test
it,
make
sure
it's
good
which
in
in
terms
of
biting
through
from
that
type
of
thing,
it's
very
tough.
To
do.
I
mean
it's
it's
from
that
end.
O
You
can't
really
get
through
it.
When
we
backfill
and
compact
sand,
then
our
pipe
is
on
it.
We
have
to
do
a
compaction
level
on
footing
every
every
couple
of,
depending
on
how
deep
we
are
so
every
six
inches.
We
have
to
come
back
solid
and
that's
really
what's
holding
the
pipe.
So
the
the
cavity
for
running
around
is
very
limited.
If,
if
there
at
all.
C
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
yeah
just
some
final
questions
from
me
and
then
we'll
wrap
this
hearing.
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
public,
I
I
believe
right
now
that
we've
taken
all
testimonies.
So
if
you're
still
looking
to
testify,
please
make
sure
to
sign
up
in
the
corner
or
shoot
Megan
an
email,
m-e-g-h-a-n
dot
k-a-v-a-n-a-g-h
at
boston.gov,
because
we're
going
to
be
rapping
shortly.
But
if
you
watch
this
after
the
fact-
and
you
want
to
send
us
written
testimony,
you
can
always
do
that
to
ccc.csit
boston.gov.
A
O
So
and
I'll
I
know,
Pete
has
been
heavily
involved
and
I'll.
Let
him
expand
a
little
bit
more,
but
one
of
the
things
that
Cole
box
does-
and
one
of
the
efforts
that
the
city
is
also
trying
to
do
is,
is
how
can
we
get
everybody
kind
of
go
in
there,
replace
the
infrastructure
and
then
have
the
final
product
come
out
with
paved
new
sidewalks
and
goals
so
that
that
area
in
Beacon
Hill
again
we're
trying
to
identify
certain
areas
and
not
only
Beacon
Hill.
O
It's
also
not,
then,
all
the
way
through
in
terms
of
replacing
the
Aging
infrastructure,
which
is
what
we
want
to
do
so
we're
out
of
there.
So
the
city
can
keep
going
on
from
from
that
type
of
area
mission
on
Beacon
Hill
you're,
looking
at
one
waste
reach
as
well
right
from
that
end,
how
do
you
carefully
navigate
to
do
that
work
to
try
to
do
it
quickly
but
safely
without
impeding
everything
else,
that's
going
on
and
that's
vehicular
and
pedestrian
traffic
from
that
end?
O
Typically,
it's
all
brick
sidewalks.
You
have
to
systematically
pull
it
out
because
it
has
to
be
Boston
brick,
they
usually
hand
number
where
they
go
from
that
end,
to
put
it
back
in
place
to
make
sure
everything's
going
back
from
that
end,
but
that
that,
in
in
terms
of
the
scope
of
the
product,
that's
what
what
we
were
doing
as
I
mentioned
we're
replacing
that
14
miles.
So
it's
tough
to
say
we
want
to
do
all
the
pick.
O
You
know,
because
you
can't
right,
you
can
only
do
certain
amount
of
streets
that
you
can
again
from
the
vehicular
traffic
State
House
activity,
Suffolk
law
Suffolk
at
University
from
that
end.
So
that
is
how
we
look
at
certain
areas
not
to
put
multiple
crews
in
there,
but
we
Outlook
and
do
streets
and
to
do
it
from
that
end,
you
want
to
link
it
all
together,
because
if
you
look
at
a
gas
Main,
the
flow
is
going
in
one
way
or
the
other,
but
it's
being
it's
like
a
tree.
O
It's
a
trunk
right,
you're
running
that
and
that
gas
is
Flowing
out
of
the
trunk
into
the
branches
which
is
this
this
Mains
going
down
and
into
the
services.
So
we
try
to
identify
that
area,
replace
and
then
connect.
Also
on
Beacon
Hill.
You
have
gas
lamps,
so
you
have
to
connect
that
because
that's
connected
directly
to
the
gas
main.
So
it's
trying
to
get
all
that
from
that
end,
Peter
did
I
miss
anything
wrong.
P
So
for
Anderson
Street
per
se,
we're
running
all
the
way
down
the
hill
from
is
that
Pinckney
coming
down
up
the
top
I
think
it's
pink
all
pink
me
all
the
way
to
Cambridge
Street.
So
we
started
that
last
year
and
as
I
said
this
project,
we
decided
to
try
to
do
individual
blocks
instead
of
running
all
of
the
main
down
to
Cambridge
Street
and
then
coming
back
up
to
the
top
and
replacing
each
individual
service.
P
So
the
the
scope
of
the
work
would
basically
entail
the
contract
with
send
out
our
about
the
letters
we'd
get
well.
Let
me
even
backtrack
further
for
the
sake
of
this
discussion
would
have
the
reserve
the
spot
and
call
bikes
would
have
the
converse
appropriate
conversations
with
the
city
officials
as
well
as
Beacon
Hill
Civic
would
then
be
given
a
permit
to
proceed
at
that
time.
P
The
about
the
letters
would
be
sent
out
to
any
of
the
folks
on
the
route
and
then
our
contractor,
in
this
case
Feeney
brothers,
would
mobilize
from
the
top
at
Pinckney
Street
and
work
their
way
down,
replacing
the
gas
main
first
and
then
on
this
project.
They'd.
Do
a
block
two
blocks:
do
their
safety
checks
and
reintroduce
gas
into
that
new
portion
of
Maine
and
then
go
back
and
replace
the
linear
the
service
laterals
off
of
that
new
mean,
so
they
need
to
tie
over
the
existing
service
to
the
new
gas
me.
P
So
the
Charles
Street
project
would
be
similar,
but
that
we
have
two
Mains
on
Charles
Street
that
we're
replacing
so
there's
an
odd
side
and
an
even
side
on
that
and
then
similarly
we'd
need
to.
We
went
out
into
the
circle
Charles
Circle
tied
in
there,
but
that
also
runs
to
the
road
coming
around
I
apologize.
P
A
A
Do
you
think
you
you
guys
couldn't
I'm
sorry
I
I
realized
that
I
don't
actually
contacts
for
you
both
so
I
might
grab
those
after
the
meeting.
But
like
could
you
sit
with
sort
of
the
district
8
office
and
and
beacono
Civic
and
walk
us
through
the
updated
timeline,
because
I
think
part
of
the
frustration
is
and
I
appreciate
the
things
it
sounds
like
you're
doing
so
that
you
don't
have
to
go
back
three
times
and
stuff,
but
I
think
it's
I.
A
A
And
now,
like
I,
asked
about
a
bunch
of
streets
for
repaving
this
spring
and
just
a
huge
number
of
them
are
implicated
by
your
work
and
are
therefore
not
eligible
for
resurfacing.
So,
from
my
perspective
as
a
counselor,
it
would
be
like
much
better
to
get
whole
streets
done
so
that
we
can
repave
them
it's
my
own
time,
so
that
we
can
repave
them.
Instead
of
like
the
strips
and
drabs
thing
where
I
can't
repave
any
of
the
streets,
I
mean
a
few
of
them
are
like
a
country
road
and
asphalt.
O
For
instance,
we
would
love
to
to
so
again
I
think
we're
trying
to
trying
to
get
there,
but
we're
trying
to
get
in
and
replace.
So
everything
will
be
good
and,
as
you
see
we,
our
work
is
a
little
bit
more
complicated
than
say
electric
running
lines
or
from
that
end
it
is
that
ability
to
put
new
pipe
in
and
then
reconnect
so
that
the
existing
customer
is
not
without
gas
service
for
a
long
period
of
time.
We
try
to
keep
it
within
a
three
to
four
hours.
O
So
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
work
with
you
in
terms
of
pushing
that
way,
I
have
no
issue
John
and
I
talk.
Probably
every
day,
I
have
no
issue
going
to
John
and
looking
internally
as
well
and
saying
I,
we
need
to
go
back
and
do
it
that
way,
and
then
let's
look
at
that
restoration
sidewalk
from
that
in
how
can
we
improve
or
Quicken
that
right
so
that
we
don't
leave
a
safety
hazard
from
that
end?
Yeah.
A
Yeah,
so
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
Circle
briefly
before
I
jump
to
the
next
job,
but
also
then
to
continue
to
work
with
the
office,
because
my
office
is
going
to
be
continuing
and
I
know.
This
is
enough
of
a
neighborhood
issue
that
sure
my
successor,
counselor
is
going
to
be
focused
on
it
as
well,
because
it's
just
yeah
like
I,
said
it
would
be
and
look
a
job.
That's
big
is
Big
I!
Think
it's
just
like
us
understanding
like
how
big
is
it
and
then
within
those
parameters?
O
So
and
again,
I
get
36
I
shot
in
the
field.
I've
been
doing
corporate
Affairs
within
this
area.
Three
administrations
I've
seen
when
the
numbers
were
high.
In
my
opinion,
and
what
I've
seen
especially
going
through
Winters
and
I
I
kind
of
judge
on
the
winters,
the
frost,
the
heavy,
do
we
get
a
lot
of
main
braces?
O
The
inferior
of
the
pipe
getting
worse
I
would
argue,
it's
getting
better
right,
we're
replacing
a
lot
of
that
cast
iron
and
I
and
I
alluded
to
it
at
the
beginning,
every
12
feet
there's
a
joint
not
to
go
on
too
much,
but
that
joint
is
held
together
by
ju.
That's
inside
that
kind
of
dries
out.
That's
where
you're
getting
a
lot
of
these
leaks,
so
we
are
trying
to
replace
versus
going
out
and
looking
at
a
small
leak.
O
If
this
side
moves
it
kind
of
loosens
that
that's
where
you
get
the
leak
so
we're
trying
to
go
after
and
we're
using
it
on
a
couple
of
different
programs,
it's
the
main
replacement
that
we're
looking
at
and
then
we
have
some
high
emitters
if
you're
familiar
with
new.
From
that
end,
where
we
look
at
that
as
well
and
go
after
those
from
that
end,
so
so
I
I
know
people
argue
with
me,
but
I
I
from
what
I
see
now
I
I
see
it
improving
from
that
end
and.
O
What
we
asked
at
the
beginning
was,
if
you
are
looking
for
us
to
remove
the
life,
just
tell
us
while
we're
doing
the
work
right
from
that
end,
you
also
have
to
look
and
say:
okay,
if
you're
removing
the
lighting
gas
lamp,
your
replacement
is
what
right.
So
if
you
run
an
electric,
if
you
run
an
electric
to
get
in
there,
there's
no
poles
really
in
the
back
in
Beacon
Hill,
so
you're
running
underground.
So
you
need
to
run
that
electrical
infrastructure
underground
to
the
lamp.
O
So
again,
that's
that
kind
of
back
to
your
meeting
here
is
the
coordination
communication.
Just
let
us
know
from
that
end.
At
that
point,
they
said
no
go
with
the
lights.
We
haven't
made
that
decision.
If
we
were
asked
to
at
whatever
date
to
isolate
that
lamp
say
for
an
example
we
would
we
would
have
to
do
it
because,
again
we're
regulated,
we
would
have
to
cut
it
at
that
gas
main.
You
do
not
want
to
leave
a
stub
of
a
piece
of
pipe
small.
O
Would
gas
up
to
that
sidewalk
because
somebody
else
coming
around
that
might
do
a
curve
that
might
be
do
some
other
work
and
hits
it
that's
where
it
is
from
that
end,
so
that
that's
why
we
asked
right
at
the
beginning
when
we
work
with
Street
lighting
as
well
from
the
city
of
Boston,
and
it's
not
only
the
street
lights.
There
are
also
fire
lamps
that
we
work
with
the
Boston
fire.
There's
two
right
around
that
area
right
by
state
house
and
going
down
up
that.
O
So
when
we
do
the
gas
main
Replacements
and
it's
really
Beacon
Hill,
you
have
some
in
child
style.
You
have
some
going
on
the
Back
Bay
and
then
you
have
some
right
on
right
by,
on
the
other
side
of
Christopher
Columbus
Park
going
out
that
way,
so
any
any
work
that
we're
doing
out
that
that's
part
of
that
conversation
is
we're
here.
A
A
O
A
O
A
A
A
A
A
So
it
does
seem
like
this
is
something
where
the
city
is
going
to
start
thinking
about
doing
more
of
this,
but
obviously
with
us
cutting
up
all
the
streets
in
the
hill
and
them
not
having
been
repaved
in
ages.
We
do
not
want
to
repave
them
and
then
go
back
in
and
cut
gas
at
the
main
in
order
to
make
that
substitute.
A
So
it
does
seem
like
this
is
why
I
think
we
probably
should
all
pull
together
and
talk
just
about
your
guys's
project,
how
we
order
it
so
that
we
can
repave
whole
streets
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
then
also
you
know,
it
might
be
too
late
to
talk
about
this
on
Anderson
Street.
But
are
there
other?
You
know
blocks
and
parts
of
the
plan
where,
if
the
city's
you
know-
because
we
might
you
guys-
might
be
like
well
we're
going
to
be
here
in
18
months
right
and
then.
M
P
A
Services
yeah
and
again,
there's
so
much
ground
to
cover.
There
are
1100
gas
lamps
in
Beacon
Hill.
That
I
don't
think
we
need
to
Circle
back
to
stuff
that
just
got
you
know
put
in
anytime
soon,
but
it's
more
like
if
there
is
upcoming
work.
I.
Think
we're
going
to
want
to
coordinate
that,
because
I
do
think
that
the
policy
on
the
city
side
has
been
shifting.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
holding
this
hearing.
It's
really
hard
to
get
these
sort
of
conversations
on
the
docket
in
the
city
council.
Just
for
those
who
are
listening
and
thank
you
both
so
much
for
your
testimony
again.
Super
informative
I
have
a
lot
of
I
still
have
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I
think
that
you
know
we
can
have
subsequent
conversations
about
this
I.
Think
from
the
very
beginning,
my
thought
was
that
a
GIS
mapping
tool
for
coordinating
your
work,
Boston,
modern
sewers
work,
eversource
eversource,
was
supposed
to
be
here.
B
I
was
hoping
to
hear
from
them,
but
it
is
15
years
old,
and
so
how
do
we
best
utilize?
Some
of
our
modern
tools
to
continue
work
that
humans
have
been
doing
for
thousands
of
years
and,
of
course,
as
a
Latin,
School,
grad,
I,
think
about
the
Roman
roads
and
Via
apia,
and
that's
what
makes
a
world
class
City
and
so
we're
not
getting
our
roads
right.
Then
then,
then,
what
are
we
doing?
B
So
I
think
that
this
is
really
really
important
work
and
it
may
seem
mundane
to
a
lot
of
people,
but
this
is
exactly
why
I
love
being
a
city
councilor.
These
are
things
that
affect
people
every
single
day
and
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
that
and
I
remembered
this
during
the
conversation.
I
should
have
mentioned
it
when
Boston
modern
2
was
here,
but
my
grandfather
spent
35
years
of
his
career,
literally
digging
trenches
for
a
living
for
Boston,
modern
sewer
and
so
I
I.
B
Don't
know
how
our
or
what,
but
maybe
there's
just
a
com,
a
cosmic
pull
for
me
to
continue
doing
this
work
and
I
do
see
it
as
very
low
hanging
fruit
for
the
city
to
invest
in
resources
and
having
the
political
will
to
just
modernize
their
their
perimeting
system.
I.
Think
that
there's
a
lot
that
could
be
done
a
lot
of
good
work
that
could
be
done
for
that.
It
may
take
a
long
time.
I
know
that
it's
easier
said
than
done,
but
I
do
look
forward
to
those
subsequent
conversations.
B
O
Anytime
field
trip,
however,
we
want
to
do
it
and
just
close,
as
I
said,
we
I
cover
a
lot
of
cities
and
towns
and
they
talk
about
the
coal
box
system
in
terms
of
how
that
communication
happens
right.
How
the
benefit
of
that
and
and
I'll
go
back
to
when
I'm
my
opening
comments,
you
did
have
an
All-Star
panel
here
they
do
care
about
the
streets,
they
do
care
about
the
city
and
we
do
as
well
and
that
coordination
collaboration
is
is
key
and
they
hold
us
right
to
that.
O
B
A
Good
way
to
get
but
yeah,
thank
you
guys
so
much
I
I.
You
know,
obviously,
even
though
I'm
changing
roles,
the
work
of
the
district,
eight
counselor
continues,
and
so
I
will
follow
up
with
you
for
that
coordination
on
the
beacon,
Hillside,
but
I
also
and
I
also
work
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
Boston
Housing
Authority
role,
obviously
again,
a
large
landlord
there's
a
lot
of
hookups,
even
if
we're
trying
to
move
away
from
them.
So
but
I
do
really
appreciate.
You
I
appreciate
a
prior
panel.
A
A
You
know
I
think
I
think
a
lot
about
the
mechanics
of
city
government
as
this
like
double-sided
coin,
where
a
lot
of
times
people
in
the
public
see
a
thing
and
they're
just
like.
Why
is
the
city
not
doing
this
obvious
thing
right,
like
coordinating
everybody
to
get
in
the
hole
all
at
the
same
time,
right
and
and
often
as
we
learn
as
counselors?
A
Often,
we
are
first
motivated
by
that
question
that
we
get
from
our
constituents
and
then
you,
you
know,
lift
the
lid
a
little
bit
and
you
discover
oh
in
fact,
a
whole
lot
of
people
are
coordinating
a
whole
lot
of
things
right
and
a
lot
of
things
in
city
in
the
city,
especially
a
city
like
this.
It
is
so
dense
and
so
historic
are
just
very
complicated
and
a
lot
of
really
smart
and
capable
and
dedicated
people
are
working
very
hard
on
them
and
so
I
always
feel
like
it's.
A
It's
an
interesting
thing
for
us
as
counselors
that
our
responsibility
is
both
to
translate
that
information
back
to
the
public
and
be
like.
Actually
they
are
working
on
it.
This
is
more
complicated
than
it
seems,
here's
what's
going
on
Etc
and
then
on
the
flip
side.
The
other
side
of
the
coin
like
it
is
also
our
job
to
always
say
hey.