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Docket #1005 - Hearing regarding a Boston Sestercentennial Commission to mark the 250th anniversary of 1776 through inclusive historic preservation and commemoration
B
B
C
B
Thank
you,
okay,
we're
gonna,
get
this
started.
There's
my
fake
gavel
there
for
the
record.
My
name
is
frank:
baker,
boston
city,
council
for
district,
three,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
boston
city
council
committee
on
arts,
culture
and
special
events,
I'm
joined
by
my
counselors,
the
lead
sponsor
council,
bach,
council,
braden
and
council
flynn.
I
think
that's
all
that
we
have
here
for
now.
This
is
a
public
hearing
being
recorded
in
live
stream
at
boston,
dot,
gov,
slash
city
council
tv.
B
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of
the
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B
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
number
1005
in
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
a
boston,
sester
sentinel
commission
to
mark
the
250th
anniversary
of
1776
through
inclusive
historic
preservation
in
commemoration,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
over
for
for
brief
opening
statements.
We'll
start
with
the
with
the
with
the
lead
sponsor
counselor
brock.
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
so
grateful
to
you
and
my
colleagues
and
also
to
the
administration
and
advocates
and
the
public
for
joining
us
today.
I
grew
up
giving
tours
of
boston's
historic
sites
and
also
did
my
phd
in
history
before
becoming
the
counselor
for
a
very
historic
district.
C
So
I
I
care
quite
passionately
about
our
history
and
about
all
that
history
can
teach
us
about
ourselves
and
where
we've
come
from
and
where
we're
going,
and
I'm
also
deeply
aware
that
historic,
preservation
and
commemoration
it
doesn't
happen
accidentally
or
on
autopilot.
If
you
leave
it
to
its
own
devices,
then
we
end
up.
C
But
there
are
also
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
us
to
do
more
and
especially
opportunities
for
us
to
highlight
and
really
include
the
history
of
people
who
have
been
here
and
been
part
of
boston's
story
the
whole
way
along,
but
whose
narratives
have
not
always
been
uplifted
and
centered,
and
so
the
purpose
of
this
hearing
order
that
I
filed
back
in
september
is
really
twofold,
and
I
just
want
to
explain
this
before
we
jump
into
the
conversation.
So
the
sester
centennial
is
a
fancy
name
for
the
250th
anniversary
of
the
country.
C
That's
coming
up
in
2026
from
the
1776
state
and
the
bicentennial
in
boston
was
a
real
opportunity
to
highlight
a
lot
of
boston's
revolutionary
history.
It
made
the
freedom
trail
justifiably
famous.
It
drove
a
lot
of
tourism
to
the
city
and-
and
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
something
like
that
again,
but
to
do
it
in
a
way
that,
like
I
said,
really
includes
a
broader
scope.
So
I
think
about
the
fact
I
said
this
in
the
council
hearing
I
looked
down
the
street
from
the
george
middleton
house.
C
But
we
only
know
about
his
story
because
of
some
of
the
work
of
the
museum
of
african
american
history
on
beacon
hill
and
they
created
a
black
heritage
trail,
and
I
think
things
like
the
black
heritage
trail
and,
frankly,
the
history
out
in
our
communities,
our
neighborhoods
across
the
city.
We
need
to
be
highlighting
that
with
the
250th,
in
the
same
way
that
we
that
we
really
raised
up
the
freedom
trail
at
the
200,
the
200.
and
and
I
think,
with
intentionality
and
planning
in
advance.
C
There's
a
real
opportunity
for
boston
to
lead
the
way
on
what
this
inclusive
commemoration
looks
like
and
it's
important
for
us
to
get
started.
Not
just
because
exhibits
and
curricula
like
the
type
of
things
we
might
want
to
organize
for
our
public
school
students
and
out
in
our
branch.
Libraries
take
time,
but
also
because
boston
was
such
a
central
part
of
the
story
leading
up
to
the
revolutionary
war
that
a
lot
of
anniversaries
here
happened
even
before
that
date.
C
So
we've
already
had
this
year,
the
boston
massacre
commemoration,
and
we
had
some
great
work
on
making
that
a
broader
and
inclusive
story
that
we'll
hear
about
today.
But
we've
got
the
tea
party
coming
up
other
things.
So
it's
really
an
opportunity
for
us
from
a
tourism
angle,
from
inclusive
commemoration
angle,
to
to
get
the
ball
rolling
and
to
make
sure
that
our
native
communities,
our
black
communities,
our
you
know,
women's
history-
is
all
part
of
that
conversation.
C
That's
one
piece.
The
second
piece
is
just
that
the
bicentennial
was
used
by
this
city
as
a
way
to
really
create
a
lot
of
the
historic
preservation
tools
that
we
rely
on
today.
So
the
landmarks
commission
was
created
in
1975
and
the
run-up
to
the
bicentennial
article
85
and
our
zoning
code.
Demolition
delay
also
came
out
at
this
moment,
but
what
we
were
really
on
the
cutting
edge
50
years
ago.
C
Historic
preservation,
tools
in
other
parts
of
the
country
have
really
moved
ahead
of
some
of
what
boston
has
in
the
intervening
years,
and
so
the
sester
centennial.
The
250th
is
also
an
opportunity
for
us
to
really
dig
in
on
what
are
the
tools
that
we
need
to
preserve
history
in
the
city
and,
importantly,
to
preserve
local
and
community
history,
which
is
really
not
the
type
of
history
that
our
tools
were
created
for
and
I'd,
say.
Article
85
is
something
that
for
a
long
time
is
frustrated
both
the
historic
preservation
and
the
developer
community.
C
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
strands
of
this
conversation
and
I'm
aware
that'll
make
it
a
complex
conversation
today,
but
really
excited
to
think
about
this
as
a
decade
where
we
push
towards
that
250th
and
then
towards
boston's
400th
birthday
in
2030,
and
we
really
embrace
the
full
range
of
the
historic
resources
of
the
city
and
invest
in
them
and
in
a
sense
of
that
history
really
belonged
to
all
bostonians.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
Are
you
on
for
a
little
bit
there
and
those
are
my
remarks.
D
D
So,
combining
immigrant
history,
history
of
our
native
native
peoples,
who
lived
in
our
neighborhoods
here
and
and
then
the
history
of
african
americans,
it's
all
very
important
to
understand
the
fabric
of
who
we
are
and
and
where
we're
going
as
a
as
a
city
and
as
a
country.
So
thank
you
so
much.
I'm
very
excited
to
be
part
of
this
conversation.
Thank
you.
B
E
E
Just
just
a
couple
weeks
ago
I
was
at
the
coconut
grove,
78th
anniversary
of
the
of
the
fire
and
myself
and
kenzie
share
the
boston
common
and
probably
the
the
the
most
beautiful
monument,
I
think,
is
the
the
robert
gould
shaw
54th,
but
we
you
are
right
in
and
liz
braden
is
right
and
frank
is
right.
There's
a
lot
of
great
history
in
the
city
that
doesn't
doesn't
get
told.
We
have
a
beautiful
puerto
rican
veterans
memorial
in
the
south
end.
First
one
in
the
country
for
puerto
rican
veterans.
E
E
I
know
we
also
celebrate
our
immigrant
roots,
proud,
immigrant
roots,
whether
they're,
irish
or
they're,
or
the
haitian
or
they're
or
the
chinese,
but
there's
so
many
different
groups
african-american
as
well.
So
many
people
that
made
major
significant
contributions
to
our
city,
but
their
history
hasn't
been
told
and
if
I'm
able
to
play
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
a
role,
I'd
love
to
be
part
of
it.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
colleague,
council
baker
and
my
colleague
council
block
this.
This
sounds
very
exciting.
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone
really
excited
to
be
here.
Thank
you
to
the
makers
and
to
the
chair
for
hosting.
I
am
also
my
heart
is
warm,
I
guess
that's.
I
don't
know
how
to
explain
what
word
to
use,
but
it
was
it's
nice
to
see
and
hear
my
colleagues
a
advocating
and
fighting
for
other
groups
of
folks
that
don't
see
themselves
reflected
in
history
so
to
to
hear
you
uplifting.
Those
experiences
as
part
of
this
conversation
is
really
heartwarming.
F
I
guess
that's
the
word
that
I
was
trying
to
articulate
english
is
my
second
language,
so
anyways.
So
thank
you
for
for
that
for
for
uplifting
those
experiences,
and
I
think,
as
we
continue
to
have
this
conversation,
I'd
love
to
just
kind
of
propose
that
we
think
about
how
do.
We
include
boston,
public
schools
and
students
in
this
opportunity
to
help
students
to
find
for
themselves
what
history
they
want
to
see
reflected
in
sharing
and
what
opportunities
can
we
exist?
F
Can
we
create
to
partner
with
our
boston,
public
libraries
like
this?
This
is
an
opportunity
to.
I
know
this
is
a
hearing,
but
I
I
also
want
to
just
share
that.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
think
about
how
we
create
opportunities
for
the
community
to
participate
in
in
this
history
making
process
in
a
way
that
is
centered
in
their
experiences
as
well.
And
I
I
think
the
last
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
the
history.
F
History
has
a
way
of
of
educating
people,
but
I
also
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
tell
a
different
story,
one
that
often
is
never
told,
and
what?
What
could
that
look
like?
I
mean
centering
it
in
the
lives
of
people
who,
who,
who
have
something
to
say,
would
be
really
powerful
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
what
that
conversation
is
about,
but
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
as
an
idea
for
us
to
consider.
B
Thank
you,
council.
Thank
you
councilman
here,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
being
a
kid
during
the
the
bicentennial
that
was
the
year
that
my
father
first
took
us
on
the
the
freedom
trail,
we
saw
that
we
saw
the
bunker
hill
monument
and
the
in
the
constitution
for
the
first
time
paul
revere's
house.
It
was
a
really
really
good
time
for
me
and
and
and
knowing
what
I
know
now,
all
the
maybe
tension
that
was
happening
in
the
city
in
the
country.
During
that
time
we
were
in
the
middle
of
busing.
B
We
were
still
able
to.
You
know,
celebrate
the
country
that
we
were
with
that
being
said.
Kenzie.
Can
you
just
brief
statements,
we're
breaking
this
down
at
two
points?
The
first
point
is
going
to
be
we'll
talk
about
what
the
city
is
is
looking
to
do
to
celebrate
the
the
250th
anniversary,
and
the
second
part
was.
B
B
G
You
counselor,
I'm
very
good,
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity.
As
the
director
of
tourism,
sports
and
entertainment
for
the
city,
I
can
tell
you
we're
very
excited
about
the
sester
centennial
and
the
planning
the
tourism
industry
has
received
a
devastating
blow
by
the
chronovirus
epidemic.
As
you
all
know,
and
it's
going
to
take
years
to
rebound
so
the
commemoration
and
all
the
events
leading
up
to
it
will
help
in
this
rebound
effort.
G
Ensuring
that
an
equity
lens
is
placed
on
all
programs
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
rev,
which
is
a
program
of
the
mass
historical
society.
It's
made
up
of
45
organizations
from
across
the
state
and
is
overseen
by
a
voluntary,
a
volunteer
advisory
committee,
they're
planning,
commemorations,
educational
programs
and
preservation
projects
from
now
through
to
2026..
G
I
know
when
we
talked
to
counselor
bach
before
this
hearing.
She
was
talking
about
the
lasting
legacies
of
the
bicentennial
in
1777
and
what
kind
of
lasting
legacies
we
might
want
for
the
saster
centennial
and
when
I
was
talking
to
jonathan
lane,
who
you'll
hear
from
later
who
oversees
rev250,
where
he
was
saying.
The
legacies
were
like
preservation,
work,
scholarship
and
weight,
making
way.
Marketing.
G
B
H
H
H
H
That
may
seem
surprising
from
our
perspective
today
for
boston's
terse
centenary
in
1930.
For
example,
a
committee
of
800
million
women
working
through
50
subcommittees
coordinated
with
us,
with
the
commonwealth's
terse
centenary,
commission
and
other
statewide
bodies
and
planning
and
organization,
and
our
collection
that
contains
tickets
programs,
catalogs
brochures,
publications,
posters,
advertising
events
and
four
volumes
of
scrapbooks
documenting
all
types
of
events
and
activities
relating
to
the
celebration.
H
It
also
notably
includes
a
time
capsule
containing
the
the
letter
or
a
letter
from
the
1830
bicentennial
parade
marshal
addressed
to
the
1930
tur
centennial
parade
marshal
and
ending
down
they
to
him,
a
truncheon
which,
unfortunately,
has
not
been
located,
but
the
1930
celebration
included
not
just
parades
and
speeches,
but
also
highlighted
art,
the
arts
with
the
creation
of
new
of
new
art
for
the
dress,
continuing
and
a
variety
of
musical
programs.
The
city
further
made
concerted
efforts
to
include
newly
arrived
immigrant
communities.
H
Programs
not
only
highlighted
the
early
history
of
boston,
but
also
highlighted
the
culture
and
contributions
of
a
wide
swath
of
boston's
ethnic
community,
including
more
recent
arrivals
examples.
Examples
include
polish
night
in
the
common
highland
music
night,
syrian
night,
norwegian
night
ukrainian
night,
german
night,
lithuanian
night
and
so
on,
and
then
in
september
5th
30
000
people
gathered
on
the
common
for
a
night
of
presentations
focused
on
black
history
and
culture
in
boston.
H
There
was
scarcely
a
sound
on
the
common
when
the
first
tableau
was
shown:
the
death
of
crispus
addicts,
whose
monument
stands
only
a
few
rods
beyond
through
the
spirituals.
I'm
a
rogue
and
keep
me
from
seeking
down,
walk
together,
children
to
the
tableau
which
produced
or
reproduced
the
shaw
monument
showed
harriet
tugman,
then
lincoln,
and
ended
with
a
tableau
in
which
living
colored
veterans
of
the
civil
war
posed
and
then
came
the
spiritual
barrier
burdens
followed
by
the
star-spangled
batter,
and
it
was
in
the
evening
long
to
be
remembered
and
ended.
The
summer
series.
H
Schools
put
on
pageants
and
plays
had
essay
contests
and
put
on
exhibitions
about
the
history
of
boston,
boston,
public
schools,
put
on
a
huge
pageant
about
the
history
of
boston.
On
the
comment
attended
by
15
to
20,
000
people
and
the
organizers
proclaimed
that
all
the
pageants
of
the
centennial
were
centered
around
four
ideas.
First,
that
they
should
be
presented
visually
the
history
of
austin
and
the
developments
in
that
history,
which
have
stimulated
the
growth
of
democratic
government
throughout
the
world.
H
H
H
Included
information
the
city
wrote
published
neighborhood
history,
booklets
about
each
boston,
neighborhood
and
an
additional
black
boston
booklet.
They
also
recorded
a
large
volume
of
oral
histories
documenting
a
wide
variety
of
boston.
Immigrant
immigrant
communities,
chinese,
syrian
eastern
european,
irish,
italian.
H
Dr
jesse
gideon
garnett
first
black
woman
to
graduate
from
tufts
dental
school
and
the
first
black
women
to
practice,
dentistry
in
boston,
estella
crosby,
who
formed
the
boston
unit
of
the
housewives
league,
an
organization
active
in
many
major
cities
from
the
1930s
to
the
1960s,
whose
goal
was
to
overcome
economic
and
educational
barriers
to
african
american
advancement
roland
hayes,
the
lyricino
and
composer
one
of
the
first
recording
artists
to
break
the
classical
music
industry.
Color
barrier,
along
with
paul
robeson
and
marion
anderson.
H
So
boston,
200
oral
histories
and
published
neighborhood
histories
form
a
lasting
legacy,
documenting
boston's,
diverse
neighborhoods
and
the
importance
of
immigrant
women
in
minority
contributions
and
they're
still
used
by
community
members.
Today,
and
I
expect
they
will
be
useful
for
the
work
of
the
cester
centennial.
H
Now
we're
also
to
ask
to
to
look
at
what
resources
and
ideas
we
have
for
historical
exhibits
events
and
displays
out
in
the
neighborhoods
of
bps
curriculum,
strengthening
the
community
archives,
etc.
Yeah,
full
historical
documentation
capable
of
supporting
innumerable
collaborations
in
pursuit
of
broadcasters
exploring
history,
universe,
neighbors
and
communities.
H
But
foreign,
but
we're
one
among
many
institutions
across
the
city
holding
community
archives,
collectively
offering
vast
opportunity
for
collaborative
program,
programming
initiatives,
bpl
northeastern
umass,
suffolk,
mass,
historical
celestinger
library,
historic,
new
england,
local
neighborhood,
historical
societies.
There
are
too
many
to
to
name
all
have
fabulous
collections
documenting
the
experience
of
boston's
communities,
academic,
public
history,
programs
focusing
on
neighborhood
and
immigrant
experiences
such
as
those
at
boston,
college
and
umass,
can
also
bring
in
valuable
resources
to
collaborative
initiatives
for
this
commemoration
and
also
and
finally,
recent
recent
examples
of
the
city
supporting
inclusive
history
and
culture.
H
H
It
serves
the
sustainability,
it
empowers
people
to
participate
in
local
democracy
and
act
of
citizenship,
and
it
can
result
in
neighborhoods
and
ethnic
communities
understanding
and
respecting
not
only
of
their
own
historical
experience,
but
also
those
of
the
neighbors
of
other
traditions,
but
promoting
exploration
of
community
past
to
understand
the
present.
The
assessed
centennial
commemoration
can
help
build
a
shared
culture
and
trust
among
boston's,
extraordinarily
diverse
populations.
B
A
The
maps
in
particular
as
well
as
many
other
historical
documents
in
our
holdings,
allow
us
to
tell
stories
about
the
socio-economic
reality
of
the
times
and
how
we
celebrate
them
and
learn
from
them
today,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
joining
in
this
effort.
We
we
are
uncertain
as
to
whether
a
commission,
the
committee,
a
working
group,
is
the
right
vehicle,
but
whatever
is
decided,
we
look
forward
to
being
part
of
the
part
of
the
the
project.
Thank
you.
B
J
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
I'll
be
very
brief.
I
understand
that
it's
a
very
ambitious
and
gen
agenda
and
an
important
one,
so
I'll
limit
my
comments
to
just
saying
a
few
things.
First
off
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
note
the
dedication
of
the
preservation
staff,
the
landmarks
staff
and
the
environment
depart.
D
J
J
Sorry
counselor
is
this
better
yeah
there
you
go.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
the
staff
has
worked
diligently
throughout
the
pandemic
and
the
city
of
boston
is
very,
very
grateful
for
all
their
work.
In
addition,
we
just
want
to
reflect
on
something
that's
been
reflected
on
several
times
already,
but
the
importance
of
bringing
a
racial
equity
lens
throughout
all
of
this
work
to
make
sure
that
all
stories
of
the
history
of.
J
B
K
I
will
thank
you
very
much
and
you
did
pronounce
my
name
correctly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
bach,
I'm
honored
to
be
here.
I
have
been
privileged
to
serve
on
the
landmarks
commission
for
11
years
and
10
of
those
years
as
chair.
I
also
serve
on
the
fort
point
channel
local
historic
commission
and
the
study
committee
for
the
prospective
new
highland
park.
K
There's
a
widespread
misconception
that
the
landmarks
commission
has
a
lot
more
authority
than
it
has.
We
can't
wave
a
magic
wand
and
save
a
building
as
much
as
we
would
like
to.
There
are
three
primary
tools
that
we
use
to
protect
our
built
heritage.
These
tools
were
mentioned
earlier.
They
were
put
into
place
in
the
1930s,
I'm
sorry
more
than
30
years
ago,
not
quite
that
old,
but
they
no
longer
meet
the
city's
needs.
K
So
I'm
going
to
describe
each
tool
just
as
quickly
as
I
can
and
then
the
challenges
to
its
effective
implementation
first
tool.
That's
very
important,
are
the
local
historic
districts
that
we
have.
We've
got
nine
of
them
in
boston,
beacon,
hill,
back
bay,
saint
patrol
bay,
village,
buildings
in
these
districts
are
totally
protected
and
any
changes
that
are
made
to
their
exteriors
have
to
be
approved
by
their
respective
commissions.
K
Local
historic
districts
are
very
powerful
tools.
They
really
work
and
there's
demand
in
boston.
There
has
been
demand
for
a
long
time
for
more
neighborhoods
have
been
asking
for
them
in
dorchester,
charlestown
chinatown,
the
north
end,
and
a
lot
of
this
demand
is
driven
by
the
epidemic
of
tear
downs
that
have
been
happening
across
the
city
and
the
concurrent
loss
of
character.
In
so
many
neighborhoods
challenges
to
any
additional
landmarks
districts,
staff
doesn't
have
the
capacity
or
the
resources
to
establish
or
administer
any
new
districts.
K
Unfortunately,
our
second
important
tool
is
landmarking
individual
buildings.
There
are
about
a
hundred
boston
buildings
that
have
been
landmarked
officially,
these
buildings
are
also
totally
protected,
so
any
changes
that
are
made
to
the
exteriors
and
some
of
the
interiors,
for
instance,
part
of
the
public
boston,
public
library.
As
an
interior
designation.
Those
changes
have
to
be
approved
by
the
landmarks
commission.
K
The
biggest
challenge
to
this
is
that
the
bar
is
too
high
for
boston
landmarks.
The
legislation
requires
buildings
to
have
significance,
not
just
in
boston
but
beyond,
so
this
limitation
makes
it
very
difficult
to
achieve
equity
across
neighborhoods
by
recognizing
structures
that
are
important
in
their
communities
and
the
process
of
landmarking
is
lengthy
and
labor.
Intensive
staff
lacks
resources
and
capacity
to
manage
the
process
proactively,
so
every
other
building
in
boston
that
isn't
included
either
in
an
historic
district
or
individually
landmarked
is
thus
vulnerable.
K
Now
we
do
have
one
stop
gap
measure
and
that's
the
article
85.
The
demolition
delay
ordinance.
So
if
a
building
owner
has
applied
to
demolish
a
building
that
is
not
protected,
it's
assessed
for
its
historic
significance,
first
by
staff
and
then
by
the
landmarks
commission,
and
if
the
commission
determines
that
the
building
is
historically
significant
and
should
be
preserved
can
impose
up
to
a
90-day
demolition
delay.
K
This
toll
needs
a
major
overhaul.
It's
largely
a
waste
of
time
and
effort
that
is
currently
designed
and
implemented.
A
number
of
challenges
with
article
85
90
days
is
far
too
short.
It
almost
never
saves
the
building
in
the
best
of
cases
it
raises.
Public
awareness
hearings
typically
take
place
far
too
late
in
the
development
process,
often
after
the
project
has
obtained
all
its
other
permitting.
K
The
process
offers
no
predictability
to
owners
and
developers
who
end
up
frustrated
and
advocates
who
devote
time
and
energy
trying
to
save
a
building
that
will
unfairly
invariably
come
down
in
90
days.
Also
end
up
very
frustrating
and
staff
devotes
an
inordinate
amount
of
time.
Processing
these
complex
demolition
delay
applications
that,
in
the
end,
result
in
very
little
if
anything,
there's
a
fourth
tool
that
we
don't
have
yet.
K
This
is
essential,
however,
the
good
news
that
this
is
on
the
horizon
and
that's
a
city-wide
preservation
survey
or
inventory
we're
hampered
by
a
lack
of
grasp
on
our
city's
historic
assets.
We
need
a
comprehensive
and
robust
inventory
that
identifies
and
documents
all
the
historic
structures
in
every
neighborhood
data
that
the
department
is
working
with
now
is
woefully
incomplete
and
most
of
it
more
than
30
years
old.
This
is
crucial
data
that
informs
almost
all
of
the
work
it
does
every
day,
along
with
the
work
of
the
community
preservation
committee.
K
So
I
will
end
with
my
perspective
as
a
volunteer
on
the
fundamental
issue
here,
and
that
is
that
landmarks
lacks
the
capacity,
the
tools
and
the
resources
required
to
fulfill
its
mandate
to
adequately
serve
our
city,
a
city
that
hangs
its
hat
on
its
history.
So
I
appreciate
this
hearing.
I
appreciate
that
this
hearing
has
allowed
us
to
bring
attention
to
the
situation
and
I
look
forward
to
how
we
might
fix
it.
Thank
you.
L
B
L
Councilman,
thank
you
other
counselors.
I
don't
necessarily
have
prepared
remarks.
I'm
currently
up
at
the
ppda,
also
alum
of
the
environment
department
and
worked
with
the
landmarks
commission
and
all
the
district
commissions
before
I
moved
up
to
the
ppda.
So
I
think
today,
I'm
probably
going
to
be
more
of
a
resource.
L
We
also
have
been
meeting
regularly
with
some
of
the
panelists
that
will
come
at
later.
We
meet
regularly
with
greg
gaylor
and
his
his
organization
to
make
sure
that
there's
open
conversation
and
dialogue
between
us
and
the
various
preservation
organizations,
so
we
can
work
better
and
address
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
that
were
seen
in
terms
of
buildings
coming
down
a
new
construction
going
up.
So
I'm
here
to
be
a
resource
and
work
as
ever.
However,
I
can,
with
various
committees.
B
Thanks,
thank
you
and
and
we'll
go
to
we'll
go
to
questions
now
in
a
minute.
I
just
have
one
quick
question,
then
I'll
kick
it
over
over
to
counselor
bart
michael.
How
does
how
does
like
article
80
and
things
like
that?
How
does
that
tie
in
to
the
bicentennial
celebrations
were
those
conversations
around
the
the
centennial?
Is
that
what
drove
us
to
to
set
up
landmark
and
and
things
like
that,
the.
L
L
That's
my
understanding
and-
and
I
think
most
people
know
that
actually
the
landmarks
commission
was
commit
was
created,
went
up
through
the
bra
at
the
time
and
then
eventually
got
moved
to
a
separate
city
department.
So
I
think
that
was
probably
again.
I
wasn't
around
back
then
why
the
landmarks
commission
was
created,
but
I
would
guess
it
was
probably
to
support
the
bicentennial.
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
baker
and
yes,
I
have
a
grandfather
who
was
involved
back
then
I
was
not
myself
alive
and
my
impression
is
that
very
much
when
it
came
to
the
bicentennial.
These
conversations
went
hand
in
hand
about
how
to
celebrate,
but
also
how
to
you
know
as
we
as
we
discover.
Oh
there's
all
these
all
these
sites
and
all
these
important
aspects
of
history
right.
How
do
you
create
the
tools
for
the
city
to
celebrate
and
preserve
them?
C
So
I
think
that's
sort
of
the
genesis
behind
connecting
these
two
conversations
today
and
I
really
appreciate
the
administration
everyone
for
showing
up
and
and
all
of
those
thoughtful
comments.
I'm
so
excited
at
john
about
all
of
this
information
from
the
past
centenaries
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
archives
myself.
So
I
have
a
million
questions.
I
would
ask
you,
but
I'll
save
them
for
non-hearing
times.
I
guess
two
questions
so
one
for
kind
of
each
panel.
One
is
just
really
sort
of
for
chief
cook.
C
I
also
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
say
I
hope
your
internet
connection
is
back
just
that.
Obviously,
in
the
last
couple
years,
the
city's
made
a
major
new
investment
in
historic
preservation
through
the
community
preservation
act.
So
I
just
want
to
appreciate
that
today.
So
that's
my
question
for
that
panel
and
then
I
have
one
for
the
other.
J
Thanks
counselor
I'll
be
brief,
and
I'm
actually
going
to
keep
my
video
off.
Hopefully,
that'll
help
with
the
internet
connection.
You
know
just
a
real,
very
quickly
the
background
of
article
85.
It
was
added
to
the
zoning
code
in
90
1995,
the
stated
when
we're
talking
about
history,
it's
important
to
add
the
first
two
years
of
the
year
so
1995.
J
So
as
recently
as
2017,
the
boston
landmarks,
commission
and
certainly
chairs
mileage
might
be
more
appropriate
to
talk
on
this
began
to
post
publicly
all
demolition
applications
online
and
request
residence
input
up
to
this
point,
staff
could
sign
off
on
demolitions
for
non-significant
properties
or
what
was
deemed
as
non-significant
properties
without
any
public
notice.
I
think
I
think,
what's
important
through
all
that
is
you've
seen
that
there's
an
evolution
of
article
85
and
it
probably
needs
to
go
through
another
iteration.
J
You
know
to
cherish
mileage's
poi
points
if
it's
not
keeping
up
with
a
the
volume.
It's
not
keeping
up
with
the
intention
and
it's
not
making
communities
developers
have
a
predictable
navigable
path
through
the
city
processes.
Then
it's
not
serving
anyone.
Well,
so
I
think
you
do
have
a
willing
partner
with
the
administration
to
develop
coherent
changes
that
best
serve
not
only
our
preservation
goals,
but
also
our
sustainable
development
goals.
C
C
Great
thank
you
and
then,
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
my
questions
brief,
because
I
know
we've
got
a
lot
to
go
through
on
the
first
panel.
I
just
want
to
echo
everyone's
mentioned.
We're
going
to
hear
from
rev250
later
on.
There's
definitely
a
statewide
effort
around
this
and
I
think
we
want
to
plug
into
them.
C
M
C
And
so
I
just
wonder
it
sounded
john.
Like
am
I
right
and
saying
like
you,
you
were
saying
that
that
was
also
in
these
past.
In
these
past
centennials.
We've
also
done
that
we've
gotten
we've
told
the
revolutionary
story,
but
we've
also
sort
of
jumped
to
those
other
aspects
of
boston
and
and
american
history,
not
just
been
sort
of
focused
in
the
late
1700s.
Only
is
that
fair.
H
C
Great,
thank
you.
No,
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
think
that's
so
exciting
and
I
think
the
opportunity
to
combine
that,
with
this
effort
to
draw
tourists
and
visitors
to
the
city
and
all
parts
of
the
city
and
think
about
I
know,
philadelphia
has
been
more
successful
in
the
past
in
really
turning
these
into
major
events
for
investments
in
their
historic
resources
and
drawing
federal
resources
and
kind
of
making
it
a
moment
that
everybody
really
feels.
So
I
think
we
should
be
aiming
to
do
that
in
boston
in
a
big
way.
H
B
N
C
C
You
know
process
with
all
the
stakeholders
here
in
the
city,
because
that's
in
our
city's
owning
code
and
then
there's
a
landmarks
commission
legislation
which
is
actually
state
legislation,
so
that
would
have
to
be
like
a
home
rule
or
something
that
we'd
send
out,
and
I
think
it
literally
is
like
to
give
yourself
some
scope
for
having
that
community
landmarks.
Conversation
you'd
literally
have
to
sort
of
change
a
comma
to
an
and
or
something
like
it's
a
very
small
change,
but
it
would
be
quite
significant
for
what
their
scope
can
be.
B
D
You
very
much
thank
you,
everyone,
the
I
to
to
to
countrybox
point.
I
think
it
might
be
worth
investigating
whether
putting
that
comma
or
that
and
in
there
would
would
help
a
home
rule
petition
to
add
a
comma
and
an
end
to
state
to
a
state
law
might
might
have,
might
move
the
ball
for
us.
That
would
be
helpful.
Is
there
any
possibility
that
we
can
increase
the
the
period
demolition
delay
to
a
year?
D
Is
you
know
I
hear
this
over
and
over
again
and
there's
so
many
instances
of
occasions
when
buildings
have
been
demolished
in
our
neighborhood
that
90
days,
you
barely
know
that
the
thing's
going
to
come
down
before
90
days
is
a
is
a
is
such
a
short
period
of
time
to
mobilize
and
and
investigate,
and
all
that,
especially
if
you've
got
limited
resources.
So
for
the
for
the
landmarks
folks
has
that
been
explored
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
increase
the
the
duration
of
the
90-day
delay,
demolition
delay.
K
The
12
months
is
kind
of
the
standard
across
the
state
or
at
least
goal
across
the
state,
because
these
are
all
adopted
by
individual
communities.
Some
communities
have
18
month,
delays,
so
yes,
90
days
is,
is
not
effective
and
absolutely
that's
been
at
the
top
of
our
list.
In
terms
of
conversations
that
have
taken
place,
I
would
say
over
the
last
five
years
you
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation.
We
established
a
subcommittee
to
talk
about.
You
know
how
we
might
improve
article
85.,
so
that
would
be
hugely
helpful.
J
They
they
have
a
limited
amount
of
time.
They
have
a
limited
amount
of
resources
and
our
article
85
demolition,
given
the
pace
of
development
in
the
city,
takes
up
a
lot
of
their
time,
and
so,
when
you
start
looking
at,
you
know
only
having
10
days
to
review,
you
know
some
of
these
applications
at
the
staff
level.
I
think
there's
there's
a
desire
there
to
increase
that
review
period
of
time
and
then
also
just
inserting
article
85
earlier
into
the
overall
process.
J
L
I
want
to
add
one
thing
and
I
hope
I
don't
get
in
too
much
trouble.
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
article
85
besides,
the
length
of
time
when
was
when
it
was
created,
was
meant
more
to
be
a
pause
in
the
process
to
allow
the
community
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
developer,
to
see
if
there's
any
other
alternatives
for
the
commission
to
explore
any
alternatives
to
demolition.
L
So
I
think
that
would
be
something
else.
I
would
suggest
that
we
look
at
and
the
other
thing
which
may
be
controversial,
but
is
whether
or
not
article
85
should
remain
in
the
zoning
code,
because
anything
in
the
zoning
code
can
be
appealed
through
the
board
of
appeals,
and
I
think
we've
already
had
at
least
one
case
not
too
long
ago,
where
the
applicant
went
to
the
board
of
appeal
and
got
the
zoning
board
of
appeal
to
overturn
the
commission's
decision.
D
That's
there's
lots
to
think
about
there.
I
I
think
you
know
I
really
think,
having
been
involved
in
some
of
these
campaigns
to
try
and
preserve
some
buildings
or
whatever.
I
think
it's
definitely
something
we
need
to
look
at.
Oh
the
other
issue
I
wanted
to
raise
up.
We
mentioned
many
groups
in
this
discussion,
but
I
I
think
the
other
group
that's
under
recognized
is
the
history
of
women
in
boston.
D
I
know
that
we
had
a
presentation
at
our
historical
society
a
few
years
ago,
but
the
absence
of
stature
and
memorials
to
the
contributions
of
women.
It's
not
a
total
absence,
but
it's
it's
very
much
out
of
out
of
under-representation
of
of
women
in
the
in
the
history
of
boston,
so
and
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
campaigning
to
to
have
a
raise
the
profile
of
women
and
the
contributions
that
they
have
made
to
the
city
of
boston
as
well
in
the
in
this
in
this
celebration.
So
those
are
my
two
comments
for
now.
F
F
F
But
when
you
talk
about
history,
what
time,
what
time
period
are
we
considering
for
the
next,
because
I
just
learned
this
in
the
next
five
years?
So
are
we
going
to
be
documenting
history
of
things
that
have
happened
in
the
70s?
Are
we
just
going
to
go
back
to
all
the
history
that
we've
been
told
like?
I
need
some
council
black.
I
need
to
understand
when
you
think
about
history
and
celebration.
I
want
to
know
what
history,
what
time
frame?
What
decade
are
we
just
recycling
other
old
things?
I
don't
know.
F
F
Having
survived
the
busing
era
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
I
think
there
is
some
history
there
to
to
document
and
to
archive
and
to
share
and
to
tell
and
to
learn
from
in
terms
of
that
journey.
So
I
don't
want
to
be
a
debbie
downer,
but
I
just
feel
like
history
is
truth.
Then,
if
we're
going
to
be
honest
about
documenting
history,
then
I
think
the
whole
entire
history
needs
to
be
told.
If
this
is
a
space
for
it,
I'm
curious
to
know
what
organizations
have
been
engaging
in
the
process.
F
F
I
got
one
more
question.
Do
you
want
me
to
say
it?
You
want
to
talk
yeah,
okay
and
then
this
is
more
of
an
idea
that
we
should
do
a
scavenger
hunt
like
a
historical
scavenger
hunt
as
a
as
part
of
the
project
and
if
we're
doing
something
in
collaboration
with
the
schools
and
the
neighborhoods
and
the
libraries
I
feel
like
we
could
do
something
fun.
F
I
don't
know
if
that
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
probably
won't
even
be
working
with
the
city
five
years
from
now,
but
I
would
go
to
the
scavenger
hunt
if
you
guys,
if
you,
if
we
do
something,
that's
more
engaging
and
if
kovit
goes
away
and
we
can
convene
and
do
like
a
city-wide
historical
scavenger
hunt.
That
would
be
a
fun
way
for
us
to
learn
about
the
history
and
then
that
that's
just
the
bisencio
questions
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
landmarks.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
that
don't
know
about
this
historical
preservation,
act
and
ways
that
they
can
protect
buildings,
and
I
just
am
curious
about
like
molina
cass,
let's
just
say,
for
example,
she
lived
in
roxbury,
I
believe,
is
her.
Could
her
home
be
considered
a
historical
preservation
situation
like
how
are
we
just
looking
at
what,
when
you
think
about
historical
preservation?
F
B
J
Counselor,
it's
it's
chris
cook,
I
I
I
apologize
again
for
not
having
my
camera
on,
but
just
because
of
connectivity
issues,
I'd
like
to
keep
it
off
and
hopefully
that'll
work
better.
Is
it
okay
to
touch
briefly
on
a
few
subjects?
The
counselor
brought
up
all
right.
Thank
you!
So
counselor.
I
think
you
bring
up
a
really
strong
point.
One
is
you
know
when
you
take
arguably
one
of
the
more
important
landmarks
in
the
city:
boston,
common
itself.
J
Obviously
we
would
want
to
make
every
effort
to
engage
with
any
communities
that
had
any
desire
to
learn
more
about
these
opportunities,
whether
it's
access
to
community
preservation,
funds
or
access
to
the
landmarks
process
itself.
But
I
think
we
have
to
be
really
honest
that
the
current
landmarks
district
themselves
do
reflect,
especially
some
euro-centric
history,
but
there's
been
some
strong
efforts
made
recently
to
change
that
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague,
lin
smiley
from
the
chair
to
maybe
highlight
some
of
those
opportunities
and
add
some
other.
K
K
But,
as
I
said
earlier,
there's
been
a
great
deal
of
interest
from
other
many
other
neighborhoods
in
roxbury
and
dorchester
and
elsewhere,
east
boston,
charlestown
for
many
years
to
establish
historic
districts
there
again
it's
just
do
we
have
capacity
to
create
them
and
administer
them
once
they're
in
place.
You
mentioned
melania
cass,
malcolm
x's
house,
for
example,
is
a
boston
landmark
and
typically
a
landmark
application
emerges
from
the
people
in
the
neighborhood.
K
People
who
care
about
a
building
will
are
often
the
ones
who
are
usually
the
ones
to
initiate
the
process
by
putting
together
a
petition
and
submitting
it.
But
I
I
think-
and
I
think
staff
has
done
a
terrific
job
in
communicating
throughout
boston
with
a
lot
of
tools
that
didn't
exist
until
a
few
years
ago,
with
a
newsletter
and
they're
very
active
on
social
media.
J
And
then,
in
addition
to
that,
counselor
just
some
projects
where
the
the
native
tribe
of
the
massachusetts
have
been
directly
engaged
or
the
first
church
of
roxbury
the
stone
living
lab
in
boston,
harbor,
boston,
common
itself,
and
then
you
know
any
other
project
that
we
can
find.
That
will
be
as
significant
to
just
on
that
specific
issue
that
you
brought
up.
Thank
you.
B
C
Yeah,
that's
right,
and
actually
I
really
appreciate
councillor
mejia,
bringing
up
the
indigenous
and
native
communities.
The
north
american
indian
center
of
boston's
joined
us
on
the
next
panel,
along
with
the
museum
of
african
american
history,
and
I
think
talking
about
how
those
how
those
commemorations
can
be
really
inclusive,
is
an
important
part
of
this.
So
so
they
are
they're
on
our
next
panel,
which
I
think
we're
getting
to
right
after
this.
C
Block
and
well
sure
I'll
I'll
say
just
a
word
to
that,
which
is
that
so
two
things
one
is
that
I
think
the
what
what
john
mccolgan
was
saying
is
that,
even
though
the
it's
the
250th
anniversary
of
1776
as
a
reference
back
to
that
revolutionary
history
moment,
because
it's
also
the
birthday
of
the
country,
it's
always
been
considered
a
moment
to
talk
about
the
whole
sweep
of
our
history
and
then
to
your
point
about
telling
the
stories
that
are
less
good
right.
The
like
harder
parts
of
our
history.
C
I
agree,
I
think,
that's
really
important
and
I
think
actually
there
are
really
strong
resonances.
I
mean
I
mentioned
in
my
opening
comments
that
george
middleton
was
one
of
the
first
advocates
for
equal
education
for
black
children
around
1800,
so
here
you've
got
a
revolutionary
war
guy
who's
pushing
for
that.
But
ultimately,
the
massachusetts
supreme
judicial
court
back
in
the
early
1800s
said
that
separate,
but
equal
education
was
fine,
and
so
we
have
both
the
first
black.
C
You
know
public
school
in
the
country
on
beacon
hill
and
also
quickly
it
becomes
the
basis
for
the
legitimacy
of
segregated
education
and
that's
actually
the
basis.
That
decision
was
what
plus
eb
ferguson
upheld
before
you
got
brown
v
board
of
education
in
54.,
so
I
think,
there's
you're,
100
right,
counselor,
mejia,
that
all
of
our
stories
that
we
tell
they
resonate
through
history
and
often
they
resonate
it's
not
always
positive
resonances.
H
Yeah
I
I
would
like
to
to
support
that
in
in
into
express
my
appreciation
of
council
of
mejia's
questions,
especially
the
the
idea
you
know.
Are
we
going
to
recycle
the
old
old
history
or
history
is,
is
not
static.
You
know
it
there
is.
History
is,
is
a
wonderful
tool
for
understanding
ourselves,
understanding
the
past,
and
there
are
so
many
institutions
out
there.
So
many
resources
out
there
archival
resources
institutions
that
provide
the
resources
for
the
experience
of
all
the
communities
of
of
boston
and
in
in
in
this.
H
Can
can
bring
tremendous
health
to
the
to
the
to
the
local
communities
if
they
if
people
know
what
their
own
history
is,
so
we
we,
we
would
advocate
that
there
would
be
collaboration
among
all
the
the
archival
institutions
in
in
boston
to
do
research
and
explore
community
community
history
and
come
up
with
with
fresh
perspectives.
So
it's
not
something
that's
static.
F
And
counselor
baker.
I
just
thought
I
can
put
a
button
on
my
understanding
of
this
conversation,
so
everything
that
we're
talking
about
right
now,
we're
not
gonna
see
until
five
years
from
now
and
we're
just
gonna
be
planning
it
I'm.
So
I'm
just
so
help
me
understand
what
the
the
cons
how's
this
gonna.
B
C
C
Our
tourism
sector
has
just
been
devastated
by
this
pandemic,
like
it
would
be
great
if
we
drove
a
ton
of
people
to
come
to
boston
in
the
years
leading
up
to
the
you
know,
250th,
and
we
really
made
everybody
feel
over
the
course
of
that,
like
oh
boston's,
going
to
be
the
place
to
be
that
year
in
2026
right.
So
it's
a
so
it's
a
ramp
up
for
five
years,
but
it's
not
nothing
and
then
everything
in
five
years.
F
And
I'm
so
sorry
that
I've
monopolized
this
entire
conversation
counselor
baker.
But
I
just
want
to
be
thoughtful,
and
I
want
to
be
helpful
in
the
conversation
so
that
it's,
if
I
can
understand
what
I'm
under
you
know
here
to
do
and
and
speak
on.
So
the
last
thing
that
I
was
saying
this
is
it
you're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
panel.
Is
that
in
regards
to
the
tourism
situation?
F
B
See
yeah
yeah
so
that
that
would
be,
I
think,
in
in
programming
which
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
in
this
next
panel
ideas.
So
this
next
panel
will
be
the
people
that
will
bring
ideas
to
if
communities
have
ideas.
Let's
do
this
for
a
celebration
and
whatever
fill
in
the
fill
in
the
blank.
So
that's
what
I'm
hoping
this
next
panel
speaks
to
is
what
the
celebrations
will
look
like.
A
I
would
just
add
one
one
comment
on
the
the
dates
I
mean
we're
using
the
historical
dates.
It
sounds
like
to
be
a
trigger
for
celebrating
all
of
boston's
history
and
an
inclusive
history,
but
in
some
ways
the
first
of
those
big
dates
you
know
is
was
the
arrival
of
the
mayflower,
not
that
there
wasn't
history
before
that.
That
needs
to
be
celebrated
in
some
way,
but
that's
that's
this
year.
B
Thank
you
david.
Are
there
any
further
questions
from
counselors?
Okay,
thank
you
and
you
guys
do
not
need
to
stay
for
the
second
panel,
but
you
you
you're.
Welcome
to.
I
have
someone
raising
their
hand
here
or
not,
so
I
would
like
to
call
up
the
second,
the
the
second
panel
now
jonathan
lane,
nathan
shedley
leon
wilson,
john
luke
perry,
paret,
greg
gaylor
kathy,
go
gotta,
daris,
leslie,
reed
and
and
brianna
groshek.
B
O
In
particular,
we
are
also
working
with
in
connection
with
the
national
semi
quinn
centennial
commission,
known
as
america
250..
This
was
established
by
president
obama
and
staffed
in
the
last
four
years,
and
they
are
meeting
in
philadelphia
by
law.
They
have
to
meet
in
philadelphia
and
they
are
working
on
the
national
narrative
of
this
commemoration,
which,
for
national
purposes,
is
looking
beyond
the
events
of
the
american
revolution
and
encompassing
really
the
last
250
years
of
american
history.
O
We're
also
connected
with
u.s
250,
which
is
a
committee
of
the
american
association
for
state
and
local
history,
and
they
are
acting
as
advisers
to
the
national
commission
on
the
ideas
and
programs
surrounding
the
national
celebration
of
the
united
states
for
revolution.
250
we're
really
focused
on
three
particular
areas,
one
of
which
is
commemoration
so
making
sure
we
hit
the
mark
that
people
expect.
O
O
O
I
believe,
and
again
it's
a
that's,
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
to
begin
to
come
to
grips
with
some
of
the
underrepresented
voices
of
this
time
period
and
definitely
some
of
the
underserved
populations
so
finding
ways
to
preserve
and
make
available
historic
documents
or
town
documents
throughout
boston
and
the
commonwealth
and
generally
and
then,
as
far
as
education
is
concerned,
just
to
touch
on
this
particular
aspect
of
it.
We
are.
We
have
been
very
engaged
with
the
massachusetts
council
on
social
studies.
We've
run
summer
seminars
for
the
last
two.
O
Summers
specifically
focused
on
underrepresented
voices
of
the
american
revolution,
finding
ways
to
take
the
new
information
that's
being
found
by
scholars
and
put
it
in
the
hands
of
k-12
educators
across
the
commonwealth
in
2024.
The
national
council
on
social
studies
will
be
coming
to
boston
and
again
we're
looking
at
finding
ways
to
engage
both
scholars
and
k-12
on
a
national
scale
to
bring
this
underrepresented
stories
to
the
classroom
tied
into
that
also
is
a
combined
joint
hosted.
O
Forgive
me
I'm
having
a
senior
moment
conversation
in
2022
it
with
a
conference
that
will
involve
scholars
who
are
looking
into
the
roles
of
african
americans
native
americans,
women
in
particular,
who
had
a
driving
force
in
promoting
domestic
manufacture
and
non-importation
agreements
as
a
sign
of
protest
in
the
18th
century.
A
lot
of
people
aren't
aware
of
the
role
of
native
americans
in
the
siege
of
boston
that
you
know
eight
almost
12
months
of
siege
that
took
place
and
it
really
involved
every
community
throughout
the
city.
O
Nation,
the
natick
peoples
and
also
the
stockbridge
mohican,
now
the
stockbridge,
muncie
tribes.
So
there's
a
lot
of
wonderful
stories
there
that
again
have
gotten
short
shrift.
Historically
that
we
are
looking
to
engage
to
tell
and
not
to
mention
prisoners
of
war
which
boston
and
the
surrounding
region
hosted
a
fair-sized
community
of
during
the
american
revolution
and
the
role
of
foreign
nationals
in
helping
push
forward
these
ideals
of
freedom
and
liberty
that
were
being
espoused
by
the
people
of
boston.
O
First-
and
you
know,
I
love
our
brothers
and
sisters
in
philadelphia
and
beyond.
But
really
what
I'm
here
to
say
is
that
this
is
the
history
of
the
people
of
boston
and
the.
If
we
do
not
tell
the
story,
if
we
do
not
embrace
it
and
and
look
to
shape
it
in
the
way
we
want
it
to
be
told,
other
communities
will
do
that
for
us
and
are
already
doing
it
in
philadelphia
and
yorktown
and
alabama.
O
B
P
I
have
about
what
might
mark
success
for
a
semi,
quincentennial
commission
or
a
sester
centennial
commission
for
boston.
So
our
organization
cares
for
and
interprets
for
the
public
two
national
treasures
located
on
boston's
freedom
trail.
The
old
state
house,
which
served
as
the
seat
of
government
in
colonial
massachusetts
and
old
south
meeting
house,
which
was
both
a
congregational
meeting
house
and
a
key
gathering
place
for
popular
politics
during
the
revolutionary
era.
P
So
the
pivotal
events
that
took
place
in
boston
and
elsewhere
during
the
1760s
and
1770s,
and
that
led
ultimately
to
american
independence,
also
gave
shape
to
a
profound
and
enduring
set
of
questions
that
we're
still
grappling
with
today.
Right
who
speaks
for
me.
How
does
I?
How
does
my
voice
get
to
be
heard?
What's
my
recourse
if
I'm
silenced
or
if
I'm
ignored
and
above
all,
when
we
say
we
the
people?
What
exactly
do
we
mean
by
that
who
gets
to
be
inside
that
circle
of
we
whose
voice
counts
right?
P
So
every
generation
of
americans
has
argued
over
the
answers
to
those
questions.
Our
answers
tell
us
who
we
are
right
and
that
argument
has
stretched
from
the
revolutionary
generation
right
down
to
the
present.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
in
fact
that
that
argument
represents
the
deepest
and
truest
current
running
through
all
of
american
thought
and
life
across
almost
250
years.
P
P
African
descended
people,
slaveholders
argued,
were
not
able
to
sacrifice
on
behalf
of
the
common
good,
which
was
seen
as
the
essential
ingredient
of
citizenship
to
which
black
anti-slavery
leaders
in
boston
responded.
Well,
maybe
you
haven't
met
our
friend
christmas
addicts
right
because
he
was
arguably
the
first
american
to
give
up
his
life
in
defense
of
american
liberty.
P
Today
we
are
still
working
and
fighting
to
perfect
our
multiracial
and
multi
multicultural
democracy.
We
are
still
grappling
with
those
questions
whose
voice
matters
who
speaks
for
me.
What
does
we?
The
people
mean-
and
it's
precisely
because
of
the
urgency
of
those
questions-
that
the
city
of
boston
should
invest
in
commemorating
the
250th
anniversary
of
the
revolution,
including
the
anniversary
of
independence
in
2026,
but
not
limited
to
that
anniversary.
P
I
think
with
strong
leadership,
with
participation
by
residents
from
across
the
city
and
the
investment
of
real
resources.
Boston's
250th
commemoration
would
not
distract
our
city
from
the
profoundly
important
conversations
that
we
are
having
about
equity
and
racial
justice
at
the
present
moment.
Instead,
that
commemoration
could
be
an
inclusive
platform
for
for
precisely
those
conversations
that
we
so
desperately
need
to
have.
P
So
what
would
a
commemoration
like
that
look
like?
That,
of
course,
is
I
think,
for
the
sester
centennial
commissioners
to
decide
if
we
do
have
such
a
commission,
but
counselor
bach
did
ask
me
to
share
just
a
little
bit
of
our
recent
work
at
revolutionary
spaces
as
an
example
of
what
may
be
possible.
P
So,
unfortunately,
we
had
to
postpone
a
probing
public
art
installation
commissioned
by
african-american
commission
from
african-american
artist,
lauren
woods.
We
had
to
postpone
a
new
play
about
addicts
written
by
a
local
playwright
named
miranda
a
day
coach,
but
we
have.
We
did
open
an
exhibition
at
the
old
state
house
in
march.
We
surrounded
it
with
year-long
series
of
panel
discussions
and
community
conversations
and
both
the
exhibition
and
the
programs
use
the
figure
of
addicts
as
a
as
a
lens
to
get
at,
not
just
the
history
of
the
massacre.
P
P
Specifically,
I
think
it
should
recognize
that
its
success
depends,
in
particular
on
three
factors
which
have
come
up
in
the
prior
discussion
and
in
my
comments
here
today,
number
one.
I
think
a
successful
commemoration
has
to
use
a
cross-temporal
frame
to
use
counselor
box
words
earlier
that
connects
boston's
revolutionary
history,
with
both
the
subsequent
struggles
for
liberty
and
equality
that
it
inspired
and
the
challenges
that
we
are
grappling
today
right.
P
Second,
a
successful
commemoration
has
to
engage
people
of
all
backgrounds
and
in
every
neighborhood
connecting
us
through
our
shared
connection,
to
boston's,
remarkable
history
and
finally-
and
this
is
important-
a
successful
commemoration
is
only
going
to
happen
if
it's
accompanied
by
real
investment
in
our
infrastructure,
for
sharing,
sharing,
boston's
history
with
both
local
audiences
and
those
who
visit
from
all
over
the
world,
leaving
the
freedom
trail
organizations
like
mine
and
community
archives
across
the
city
stronger
and
better
equipped
to
do
our
work
for
the
next
50
or
more
years.
I
think
we
we
can.
P
We
can
look
back
at
the
bicentennial
and
say
that
it
left
a
legacy
of
investment
in
our
historic
infrastructure,
and
I
hope
that
the
250th
commemoration
will
do
the
same
thing
for
boston
leave
it
stronger
than
it
was
before.
But
I
think
I
it's
important
for
us
to
recognize
that
where
we
are
today,
what
what
our
historic
infrastructure
looks
like
has
has
been
deeply
compromised
by
the
pandemic.
P
Q
That
that's
okay!
This
is
just
one
of
those
days
when
schedules
don't
work
well,
but
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
to
come
before
you
and
the
invitation
to
support
this
initiative.
You
know
my
my
staff
after
some
conversation
has
informed
me
that
some
of
them
were
part
of
a
a
red
250
commission
some
time
ago,
so
we
probably
have
at
the
museum
something
in
the
wings
that
we
want
to
resurrect,
and
I
think
one
it
certainly.
We
would
continue
to
support
this
effort.
I
think
also
to
echo
nat's
words.
Q
You
know
sustainability
and
the
pandemic
and
all
the
issues
that
normally
speak
to
your
ability
to
kind
of
involve
yourself
aggressively
in
opportunities
like
this
are
before
us.
You
know
we
think
a
should
be
done
b.
Of
course,
we're
going
to
support
it
and
anything
that
we
can
do
will
do.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
adequate
capital,
or
at
least
attention
to
what's
required
to
move
it
forward.
The
museum.
Q
That
many
of
you
have
already
been
there
at
46
choice
street
and
just
a
quick
switch
around
the
corner
from
joy
to
smith.
Court
is
where
we
have
our
buildings
and
one
is
the
you
know
the
meeting
house
itself
and
the
other
is
the
able
smith
school.
The
able
smith
school
is
the
building
where
we
have
our
exhibitions.
We've
got
a
recently
renovated
first
floor
and
then
we've
got
two
floors
of
our
of
our
own
collection.
Q
One
is
our
collection
on
jazz
in
the
boston
area
and
the
other
is
a
collection
of
those
3
000
items.
Some
of
those
3000
items
that
are
part
of
our
permanent
collection.
We've
got
more
we're
changing
it
on
a
regular
basis.
We
actually
remained
open
a
bit
longer
and
a
bit
more
actively
than
some
of
those
on
the
trail.
Q
Q
As
related
to
issues
of
of
equity,
as
related
to
issues
of
freedom
and
clearly
going
back
to
those
brave
abolitionists
who
represented
those
concerns
about
those
who
were
recently
out
of
enslavement
and
those
that
would
target
of
slave
patrols
on
on
beacon
hill,
we
believe
that
you
know
we're
still
a
place
for
that
dialogue
that
takes
place.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
agree
with
all
that
might
be
said
from
our
platform.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
want
everyone
to
agree
with
our
position.
Q
We
don't
stake
opposition,
that's
any
different
than
what
you
will
get
by
looking
at
what
we've
got
for
documentation,
what
we've
got
for
our
collection
and
what
we've
got
again
for
18th
and
19th
century
history.
You
know
we
consider
ourselves
to
be
authenticators
and
the
custodians
of
those
pieces
of
american
history
that
might
not
actually
be
out
there
in
the
open.
We
all
know
that
you
know
there
are
just
some
elements
of
revision
that'll
take
place
in
in
our
history
books
that
might
not
have
taken
place.
Q
Q
Talk
openly
disagree
with
us,
but,
more
importantly,
have
dialogue
where,
in
the
african
meeting
house,
the
oldest
freestanding
black
church
in
in
america.
Our
buildings
themselves
are
proud
of.
We
consider
what
we
consider
our
collection
and
our
asset
base.
You
know
when
you
go
into
that
building.
You
are
in
history
you're
in
in
and
very
buildings
that
frederick
douglass,
william
lloyd,
garrison
and
many
other.
Q
You
know
names
that
I
you
know,
won't
even
toss
out
in
the
interest
of
time,
but
they
were
the
names
that
that
were
impactful
in
setting
the
stage
for
where
we
are
today
in
america,
and
they
were
impactful
taking
the
stage
for
what
call
american
history.
We
have
no
issue
about
arguing
with
the
issue
with
the
matter
that
not
everything
that
ought
to
be
in
the
history
books
are
in.
Q
We
have
no
issue
with
the
opportunity
that
we
would
love
to
see
new
books.
We
have
programs
that
speak
to
that.
We
take
very
aggressive
positions.
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
we're
interested
in
nothing
more
than
the
truth
and
as
a
museum.
That
is
our
role
as
an
organization
that
is,
you
know
what
our
strong
and
dedicated
staff
put
out
in
the
public.
You
know
airwaves
the
programs
they're,
putting
together
those
for
the
public
school
systems.
Q
I'm
not
sure
what
we
would
do
in
terms
of
particular
programs
to
support
this
initiative
that
you've
you've.
You
know
put
in
front
of
us,
however,
we'll
do
and
we'll
dialogue,
and
I
suspect
that
I'll
go
back
to
the
staff.
I've
only
been
in
this
role
since
january,
so
I
admit
to
a
strong
and
lofty
learning
curve
in
terms
of
both
what
we
might
do,
although
a
lot
of
that
will
come
through
my
leadership
but,
more
importantly,
what
we
have
done
in
terms
of
you
know
this
opportunity
for
red
250..
Q
So
I'm
not
sure
what
more
I
can
tell
you
at
this
point,
I'm
not
going
to
try
and
describe
what
we
do
in
the
museum.
I
think
it
speaks
for
itself.
You
know
you
know
those
are
the
assets.
The
buildings
are
part
of
that
we're
on
beacon
hill
from
you
know
that
location
it
spawned
some
of
the
most
impactful
african-american
churches
in
boston.
Q
Q
So
again,
you
know
I
apologize
for
arriving
late,
it's
just
for
one
of
those
those
hour
after
hour
after
hour,
there's
a
zoom
call.
It
seems
but
I'll
be
pleased
to
to
answer
any
questions,
and
you
know
that
might
be
a
better
opportunity
for
me
to
kind
of
tell
you
what
we
would
do,
but
we
absolutely,
I
can
tell
you
from
an
organizational
perspective,
support
this
initiative
and
we'll
do
everything
possible
to
help
it
go
forward
and
we
should
embrace
it
as
a
city.
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
leon,
I'm
taking
over
cheering
from
councillor
baker.
I'm
really
grateful
to
you
for
being
here
and
stewarding,
really
one
of
our
gems
in
the
city,
and
I
think
one
of
my
hopes
for
this
sister
centennial
is
that
on
the
other
end
of
it
a
lot
more
people
will
know
about
the
incredible
work
and
legacy
that
the
museum
steward.
C
So
thank
you
and-
and
I
want
to
go
to
the
last
person
on
this
panel-
jean-luc
pyrite,
who's
from
the
north
american
indian
center
of
boston,
because
as
councilor
mejia
highlighted,
we
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
starting
when
we
talk
about
commemoration
and
we
talk
about
historical
memory
in
the
city
that
we
are
starting
with
our
native
and
indigenous
peoples
and
their
stories
so
jean-luc.
The
floor
is
yours.
R
First
to
enumerate
the
universe
of
tribal
nations
concerned.
Nakab
cites
mayor,
menino's,
1996
proclamation
commemorating
internment
of
american
indians
on
boston,
harbor
islands
during
the
king,
phillips
war
included
in
that
proclamation
are
the
massachusetts
abenaki
wampanoag
nipmuck,
narragansett,
penobscot,
ankachog
montauket.
R
Brother
town
and
shattuck
tribes
are
first
nations
since
1976,
through
an
executive
order
by
governor
dukakis
nakab
for
boston.
Indian
council
is
designated
as
a
liaison
between
the
commonwealth
of
massachusetts
and
residents,
who
are
members
of
the
tribes
with
historical
government
to
government
relationships,
including
those
aforementioned,
and
the
mickema
malaseed
and
passmaquadi.
R
C
Thank
you
so
much
john
luke,
and
I
I
really
appreciate
you
bringing
that
whole
architecture
of
you
know,
native
and
indigenous
history,
keeping
into
this
space,
because
I
think
it
needs
to
be
central
and
part
of
part
of
the
folks
planning
and
not
sort
of
the
not
an
afterthought
and
not
the
end
of
this
process
right
at
the
beginning.
So
really
glad
glad
to
have
you
with
us
and
and
bringing
that
perspective
we
are
going
to
jump
quickly
to
the
other
panel
so
that
we
have
a
chance
for
the.
C
S
Thank
you,
councilor,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
Yes,
I'm
greg
gaylord,
the
executive
director
of
the
boston
preservation
alliance
and
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
calling
the
hearing
and
I'd
also
like
to
recognize
consular
edwards,
who
began
discussions
of
a
hearing
of
the
topic
of
historic
preservation.
S
S
Now,
today,
I'm
focusing
on
the
preservation
process
and
I'll
be
candid.
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
more
blunt
than
some
of
the
others
you've
heard
from
this
afternoon
on
the
city
panel,
the
alliance
in
our
network
have
been
increasingly
frustrated
by
a
mentality
and
a
regulatory
framework
that
has
stopped
growing
and
evolving.
S
S
You've
heard
about
some
of
the
challenges
through
chairman
of
the
lamar's
commission's
mileage
and
we've
really
shunted
aside.
The
city
agency
responsible
for
preservation
really
is
an
ugly
stepchild
unable
to
bring
to
all
bostonians
the
many
benefits
we
should
be
reaping
from
one
of
the
things
that
we
claim
to
hold
with
great
pride.
Our
city's
history
boston
was
once
considered
among
the
best
in
the
country
for
how
we
treated
our
historic
resources.
Much
of
that
growing
from
the
great
work
that
happened
at
the
bicentennial,
but
sadly,
that's
no
longer
the
case.
S
S
Now
we
have
a
large
list
of
changes
to
article
85
demolition
delay
that
we've
shared
with
a
variety
of
city
officials
in
recent
years
and
I'll
just
mention
a
few
of
them.
Extending
the
delay
was
one
thing
that
was
mentioned,
but
what
really
needs
to
happen
is
a
process
needs
to
be
developed
that
happens
during
that
delay.
Just
extending
the
delay
itself
doesn't
really
solve
the
problem.
S
Another
example
is
that
if
a
delay
is
passed,
the
site
passes
the
90-day
delay
or
if
we
extend
that
delay,
that
approval
needs
to
sunset
at
some
period
of
time.
Currently
it
does
not
so
a
delay
that
has
gone
on
and
passed
can
pass
from.
Multiple
owners
in
different
projects,
even
though
one
was
considered
when
the
delay
was
initially
submitted.
S
Similarly,
our
landmarking
process,
which
you've
heard
a
bit
about
the
strongest
tool
the
city,
has
to
protect
historic
places.
It's
drowned
by
a
backlog
that
has
an
understaffed
agency
that
can't
manage
it.
Sites
like
the
william,
lloyd,
garrison
house
and
roxbury.
The
ashmont
hill
neighborhood
sit
in
limbo,
not
fully
protected,
and
they
have
for
decades.
S
And
meanwhile,
the
city
fails
to
leverage
this
opportunity
to
support
other
neighborhoods,
who
also
want
a
designated
historic
district.
Now
I
want
to
make
sure
counselors
realize,
because,
as
chairman
smileage
of
the
landmarks
commissions
mentioned,
people
think
the
landmarks
commission
has
far
more
authority
than
it
does.
Do
you
realize
that
the
north
end
charlestown
chinatown,
dorchester,
east
boston,
fenway,
hyde
park,
jp
mattapan,
roslindale,
roxbury,
west
roxbury?
The
list
goes
on,
have
no
real
ability
to
protect
their
historic
neighborhoods
because
they
have
no
local
boston,
landmark
districts.
S
As
mentioned,
the
landmarking
process
has
not
been
significantly
updated,
since
its
creation
in
1975
and
places
of
local
significance
can't
be
designated
as
local
landmarks.
I
mean.
How
crazy
is
that,
so
we
strongly
support
and
are
thankful
the
discussion
that
happened
earlier
this
afternoon
about
changing
the
legislation
to
allow
sites
of
local
and
diverse
history
to
be
protected
as
landmarks.
S
History
can
be
a
tool
attracting
tourists
and
locals
to
the
neighborhoods
to
realize
the
history.
They
think
they
know
also
happened
far
beyond
downtown.
They
could
see
the
shirley
eustis
of
the
malcolm
x
or
the
william,
lloyd
garrison
houses
in
roxbury
learn
that
transcendentalism
is
rooted
in
brook
farm
in
west
roxbury.
S
That's
why
there's
a
backlog
of
over
80
landmark
petitions?
That's
why
neighborhoods
get
ignored
when
they
ask
for
a
new
historic
district.
That's
why
proactive
work
to
tell
a
more
complete
story
doesn't
happen.
That's
why
our
preservation
landscape
is
inequitable
while
the
preservation
community
recognizes
it
as
much
work
to
do
to
tell
a
more
full
story
of
america.
Boston
hasn't
even
kept
up
with
where
we
should
have
been
before
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
never
mind
where
we
are
now
preservation.
The
landmarks
commission
is
isolated
rather
than
integrated
into
a
mindset
at
city
hall.
S
It's
an
attitude
and
an
outlook
that
should
permeate
the
various
aspects
that
determine
boston's
evolution.
Now,
let
me
be
clear:
this
isn't
about
stopping
development
freezing
the
city
in
time
or
nimbyism.
It's
about
enhancing
our
ability
to
keep
boston
at
the
forefront
of
supporting
the
sweet
spot
between
growth
and
preserving
the
things
that
make
the
city
a
livable,
unique,
equitable
and
resident
friendly
place.
It's
about
fostering
the
power
of
our
past
to
support
present
and
future,
as
others
have
mentioned
today.
S
It's
about
spreading
the
benefits
of
history-based
cultural
tourism
beyond
downtown
to
the
neighborhoods
who
suffer
from
the
lack
of
foot
traffic
critical
to
success.
Just
one
example
imagine
how
differently
residents
of
matapan
would
feel
if
the
square
was
a
bustling
main
street
district,
because
tourists
were
engaged
to
ride
our
historic
trolley
line,
passing
historic
and
natural
landscapes
and
enroute.
S
Now
is
the
time
to
make
the
necessary
changes
to
our
broken
system.
Doing
so
will
bring
back
to
the
city
benefits
far
more
than
it
will
cost.
So
specifically,
I
urge
the
council
to
use
this
in
this
anniversary
to
inventory,
assess
existing
and
make
recommendations
for
enhanced
or
new
preservation
regulations
that
the
city
hire
an
independent
specialist
expert
in
the
diversity
of
preservation
methods
and
benefits,
to
make
this
assessment
and
that
the
city
invests
in
a
comprehensive
inventory
of
historic
resources.
S
T
Thank
you
so
much
councilor
bach,
and
really
appreciate
your
interest
in
these
matters
and
your
leadership
in
advancing
policy
and
discussion
around
them.
I'm
kathy
cotteritos,
I'm
executive,
director
of
historic
boston,
inc,
a
private
non-profit
organization
that
works
exclusively
within
the
municipality
of
boston,
to
save
historic
buildings
that
are
endangered
or
at
risk,
and
to
put
them
back
into
use
for
new
purposes
that
that
serve
the
needs
of
contemporary
bostonians.
T
We
were
founded
60
years
ago
to
save
the
old
corner
bookstore
at
the
corner
of
school
in
washington,
streets
in
downtown
boston.
That
building
dates
to
1718
was
in
pretty
rough
shape
and
had
been
scheduled
for
demolition
for
an
urban
renewal
parking
or
finance
parking
garage.
But
instead
our
founders
brought
it
bought
it
with
their
own
money.
T
They
restored
it
to
its
19th
century
appearance
and,
in
the
end,
made
it
what
it
always
was,
which
is
a
commercial
tax,
paying
structure
which
it
continues
to
be
today,
while
also
being
an
official
historic
site
on
boston's
freedom
trail
on
the
heels
of
the
1976
bicentennial
a
very
important
period
of
time.
Apparently,
historic
boston
took
the
model
of
the
old
corner.
T
Bookstore
into
the
neighborhoods
of
the
city
and
has
since
restored
and
rehabilitated
dozens
of
historic
buildings
throughout
the
city's
neighborhoods
by
purchasing
them,
redeveloping
them
and
then
selling
them
to
interested
parties
willing
to
protect
and
preserve
them,
going
forward
places
like
the
1786
fowler
clark,
epstein
farm
in
matapan,
recently
rehabilitated
a
historic
farm
recently
rehabilitated
into
a
demonstration
farm
and
headquarters
for
the
urban
farming
institute.
The
1834
alva
kittredge
house
in
roxbury,
which
is
now
five
apartments
and
two
of
which
are
permanently
affordable
after
sitting
vacant
for
the
better
part
of
30
years.
T
The
1859
used
to
the
street
firehouse
in
nubian
square,
which
was,
is
the
city's
oldest
remaining
firehouse
empty
for
the
better
part
of
50
years
that
hbi
put
back
into
use
this
two
non-profit
office
suites
the
1912
roslindale
substation
right
in
roslindale
village,
which
today
is
a
beer
garden
for
turtle,
swamp,
brewing
and
co-working
space
and
the
1868
vertulo
building
in
hyde
park,
which
a
few
years
ago,
was
converted
into
four
apartments
and
five
small
retail
businesses.
Restoring
the
building
to
its
1860s
appearance.
T
When
hyde
park
was
founded,
we're
small,
but
the
demand
for
our
work.
In
in
all
kinds
of
building
conditions,
historic
churches,
derelict
buildings
and
tax
title
are
under
a
bad
owner
or
buildings
scheduled
for
demolition
by
upstart
developers
who
are
proposing
to
replace
historic
buildings.
These
often
exceed
our
capacity
to
keep
up.
T
T
In
76,
there
were
many
places
in
boston's
neighborhoods
where
visitors
could
have
experienced
real
sights
of
the
american
revolution,
but
tourism
in
76
into
our
neighborhoods
was
not
strong,
and
even
today
I
would
argue.
We
lack
physical
and
promotional
infrastructure
to
get
people
there
visitors
and
to
bring
economic
development
through
preservation
and
heritage
tourism
to
our
neighborhoods
foot
traffic
in
our
business
districts
and
to
our
cultural
institutions
in
the
neighborhoods,
like
the
national
center
for
african-american
artists
like
dorchester
heights
in
south
boston
and
the
standpipe
in
highland
park.
T
These
would
make
excellent
places
for
for
visitation,
but
it
they
would
also
build
vibrancy
in
our
neighborhoods
and
help
to
promote
that,
but
simply
they're
not
on
the
map.
And
I,
when
I
say
that
I
mean
that
quite
literally
they're
not
on
the
boston
and
massachusetts
tourism
maps
and
those
maps
are
old
and
need
to
change
in
76.
T
We
were
also
emerging
from
the
urban
renewal
era
and
its
after
effects,
and
we
did
so
with
new
preservation
tools
that
have
been
discussed,
but
a
few
things
like
only
a
few
things
really
like
demolition
delay
and
the
availability
of
state
and
federal
historic
tax
credits
have
emerged
as
incentives
to
promote
preservation
preservation
in
more
recent
years.
The
times
have
changed
and
all
of
our
tools
and
mechanisms
for
preservation
and
planning
need
to
be
assessed
comprehensively
and
adjustments
made,
and
we
strongly
endorse
that.
T
Let's
just
be
frank,
the
boston
landmarks
commission
needs
more
support
and
money.
They
have
been
breaking
their
backs
for
years
and
trying
to
to
hold
on
tight
and
and
really
keep
up
with
the
demands
of
a
very
vibrant
economy
in
development.
I
don't
think
we're
giving
them
the
comparable
resources
to
be
successful.
T
The
status
quo
really
in
boston,
favors,
the
well-established
and
well-connected
in
the
stories
we
tell,
and
certainly
the
practices
of
protecting
places,
all
the
local
landmark
districts
are
really
big
tourism
areas,
perhaps
with
the
exception
of
the
south
end
and
hence
an
inordinate
amount
of
money
and
time
through.
The
landmarks
commission
is
devoted
to
back
bay,
beacon,
hill
back
bay,
village
south
end.
The
rest
of
the
city,
as
greg
said
really,
which
have
wonderful
and
important
places
are
mostly
unprotected
and
even
when
the
neighborhoods
are
interested
in
protecting
them.
T
It's
hard
for
communities
to
get
the
time
and
attention
out
of
certainly
the
landmarks
commission,
but
also
to
find
more
recent
information
that
would
help
to
understand
these
places
as
as
having
significance
and
also
if
you
look
at
our
population
in
general.
Boston
obviously
is
now
at
almost
700
000
people,
and
so
that's
a
big
change
from
where
we
were
50
years
ago.
Higher
demands
on
space
in
the
form
of
homes
and
businesses,
and
that's
obvious,
has
obvious
impacts
in
our
development
review
processes,
but
our
people
have
changed.
T
We
have
so
many
new
ethnic
groups
in
boston
and
many
new
residents,
domestic
and
immigrant,
whose
recent
history
we
don't
know
and
who
themselves
are
just
learning
their
own
neighborhoods
history
and
their
place
within
it.
We
are
being
called
upon
to
preserve
and
tell
the
histories
of
many
underrepresented
populations
today
and
back
through
time,
we've
talked
about
melania,
cass
and
malcolm
little,
but
what
about
the
activism
around
the
inner
belt
highway
in
the
60s
and
70s
the
protests
in
the
70s
that
led
to
via
victoria
in
the
south
end
and
the
bussing
era
in
boston?
T
This
would
be
an
inventory
of
historic
buildings
that
would
help
to
certainly
help
to
engage
our
population
in
what
is
important
and
and
what
is
important
to
the
celebration
of
all
of
boston.
But
I
think
it
would
also
tell
us
something
more
about
the
neighborhoods
development
activity
too,
and
help
us
be
better
at
making
decisions
going
forward
in
the
context
of
planning
and
development,
and
I
imagine
that
you
all,
as
counselors,
run
into
the
discord
in
neighborhoods
when
there's
conflict
over
whether
something
should
be
demolished
or
modified
significantly
or
not.
T
T
T
I
can
say
from
the
point
of
view
of
a
non-profit
developer.
It
would
also
be
really
helpful
if
those
of
us
who
are
competing
for
historic
for
landscapes
or
land
or
buildings
that
are
historic
in
city,
permitting
processes
as
well
as
rfps,
could
get
a
a
certain
bonus
for
having
been
involved
in
or
trying
to
rehabilitate
something,
rather
than
trying
to
either
change
it
or
create
more
density.
T
But
all
in
all
the
era
of
usa,
250
to
boston
400
demands
a
new
and
more
progressive.
Look
at
how
boston
as
a
modern
city
looks
after
its
historic
resources.
We
should
be
at
the
cutting
edge
when
it
comes
to
preservation
of
historic
places
and
the
management
of
what
should
be
a
constantly
growing
interchanging
city.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
kathy
and
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
those
really
rich
comments.
I
will
just
remind
our
last
two
panelists
just
to
try
to
keep
to
the
three
to
five
minutes
just
so
that
we
have
a
chance.
I
want
to
get
to
our
public
testimony
folks
too,
but
thank
you
for
all
that,
and
I
should
also
acknowledge
that
a
while
back,
we
were
joined
by
my
colleague
council
president
kim
janey,
so
welcome
president
janie,
and
I
want
to
jump
now
to
leslie
reed
from
madison
park
development
corporation
leslie.
U
Hello,
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
scheduling
this
important
hearing.
My
name
is
leslie
reed
and
I'm
the
ceo
of
madison
park
development
corporation,
we're
a
community-based
non-profit
and
we'll
be
celebrating
our
55th
anniversary
next
year,
our
anniversary
of
working
to
support
resident-led
community
development
in
and
around
roxbury.
U
As
we
approach
the
250th
anniversary
of
1776,
we
have
a
really
important
opportunity
to
celebrate
so
much
more
than
just
the
revolution
and
founding
of
our
country.
This
provides
us
the
opportunity
to
revisit
and
improve
how
we
identify
and
the
tools
we
use
to
recognize
and
preserve
the
historic
resources
in
our
city.
U
U
I'd
also
like
to
you
know
share
the
example
of
the
dillaway
school
on
kennewer
street.
It's
a
school
building
that
was
built
in
1882
and
one
of
only
two
buildings
remaining
of
25
examples
of
architecture
in
the
time
that
building
was
renovated
through
a
historic
reuse
and
is
now
home
to
20
low-income
families
in
the
heart
of
nubian
square.
U
So
I've
heard
people
mention
buildings
at
honor,
malcolm
x,
melania,
cass
and
henry
hampton,
as
examples
of
the
opportunities
that
we'd
like
to
capture
in
roxbury
and
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
a
few
ways
that
we
could
take
advantage
of
better
using
preservation
tools
to
achieve
that.
So
improving
the
use
of
local
significance
to
expand
how
we
identify
historic
resources
in
our
communities,
especially
our
neighborhoods,
is
really
important.
U
Demo
delay
is
not
an
effective
tool
to
engage
property
owners
and
developers
and
real
opportunities
to
preserve
and
restore
our
local
historic
resources
and
can
be
improved.
We
should
conduct
an
inventory
and
improve
the
incentives
that
recognize
and
support
the
divorce,
historic
resources
and
narratives,
especially
in
our
neighborhoods.
We
need
to
increase
the
resources.
The
city
invests,
especially
into
organizations
like
the
boston
landmark
commission,
so
that
all
residents
and
neighborhoods
have
access
to
historic
resources
and
get
the
important
attention
they
need.
U
So
again,
this
is
a
unique
moment
when
we
can
really
enhance
our
understanding
of
historic
resources
and
invest
more
deeply
in
policies
and
funding
to
ensure
that
all
of
our
residents
and
neighborhoods
have
a
more
equitable
opportunity
at
self-determination
when
it
comes
to
the
history
of
our
city
and
nation
as
a
whole.
A
commission
committed
to
this
mission
is
a
critical
step
to
have
a
transparent
and
constructive
approach
to
improving
the
tools
we
have
to
support
to
support
historic
recognition,
preservation
and
restoration
or
reuse
in
our
city
and
neighborhoods.
Thank
you
so
much.
C
C
V
Okay,
my
name
is
brianna
grosicki,
I'm
associate
principal
at
police
economics.
We
are
a
washington
dc
based
consulting
firm
where
we
work
at
the
nexus
of
historic
preservation
and
economics.
So
I'm
coming
to
you
all
today
briefly
to
just
talk
about
like
what
we've
learned
about
in
our
numerous
assignments
across
the
country.
V
It's
very
hard
to
follow
a
lot
of
the
moving
statements
that
were
already
made
today
about
your
250th
celebrations,
but
also
this
so
I
kind
of
come
in
on
this
question
of
like
what
are
some
tools
that
could
be
built
upon
that
you
are
going
to
be
thinking
about
as
you
move
through
the
next
few
years.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
great
foundation
of
how
built
heritage
can
be
protected
was
actually
written
here
in
boston
by
mit
professor
mark
schuster.
V
Friend,
heritage
can
be
protected
through
direct
ownership
regulations
fiddling
with
property
rights,
incentives
in
information
and
education.
So
there
is
no
one
fix
all,
and
certainly
designation
is
not
the
only
tool.
Article
85
is
not
the
only
tool,
so
I
just
offer
these
as
kind
of
a
foundation
here
in
our
firm.
We
often
speak
about
tools,
strategies
and
incentives
and
use
that
language,
because
municipalities
benefit
from
preservation,
ethos
that
is
spread
horizontally
across
different
departments
and
initiatives,
so
that
preservation,
the
charge
for
preservation
is
not
siloed
in
one
department.
V
Overall,
the
benefits
of
preservation,
keeping
older
buildings
around
are
numerous
in
our
economic
work.
We
continually
find
that
preservation
is
a
job
creator,
in
fact,
nationally
on
the
top
left
here
for
every
100
jobs.
Rehabilitation
creates
186
jobs
elsewhere
in
the
economy
and
that's
more
than
new
construction,
which
has
more
of
its
money,
going
towards
materials
and
less
towards
labor
and
thus
creates
135
jobs
elsewhere.
V
A
recent
study
in
pennsylvania,
using
their
historic
tax
credit,
found
that
historic
prison
that
rehab
creates
more
jobs
per
1
million
dollars
of
expenditure
than
the
natural
gas
industry,
which
is
huge
in
pennsylvania.
So
historic
buildings
are
key
to
supporting
our
small
businesses.
The
national
stress
for
historic
preservation,
atlas
of
reurbanism
on
the
bottom
left
here
actually
has
data
specific
to
boston,
and
they
found
that
61
percent
more
jobs
were
in
small
businesses.
These
are
in
areas
of
boston
with
older
buildings,
not
necessarily
landmarked
areas.
V
They
also
found
54
more
jobs
in
new
businesses
and
that
62
percent
of
women
and
minority
owned
businesses
were
in
older
buildings.
These
are
key
to
keeping
around
whether
they're
landmarked
or
not.
With
the
250th.
It's
fitting
to
point
out
that
heritage
tourists
spend
more
locally
than
non-heritage
tourists,
so
for
miss
davis.
V
V
I'll
share
this
also
with
the
proverb
of
our
firm
principal
don
from
ripcomo
that
you
cannot
build
new
and
rent
or
sell
cheap
without
a
subsidy,
but,
as
this
graph
shows,
you
is
that
basically,
the
older,
the
housing
unit,
the
lower
the
cost
of
housing-
and
this
is
not
there's
data
showing
that
this
is
not
all
housing
and
poor
condition.
Only
two
percent
of
housing
in
america
is
rated
as
being
in
poor
condition.
V
So
what
it
shows
is
that
people
today
are
just
flat
out
building
housing
that
is
more
expensive
and
I'm
very
curious
to
see
what
this
graph
looks
like
for
the
city
of
boston.
I
share
this
not
to
say
that
developers
are
bad,
but
that
meeting
the
affordable
housing
needs
of
boston,
which
certainly
is
a
priority
of
this
administration,
cannot
be
done
by
only
building
new.
We
have
to
consider
rehabilitation
in
this
in
our
older
housing,
whether
it
is
designated
or
not.
V
So
what
are
other
cities
doing?
They
are
making
public
investments
in
historic
preservation,
los
angeles,
san
francisco
and
san
antonio
are
working
their
way
to
evaluate
every
property
in
the
city,
los
angeles.
Did
it
up
to
1980
so
looking
well
beyond
into
the
future
of
like
what
is
50
years
old,
which
is
typically
when
we
would
evaluate
a
property
for
historic
significance.
These
are
gathering
a
proactive
data
set
that
way
a
developer
isn't
caught
off
guard
that
their
newest
property
is
valued
by
the
community.
V
Many
of
these
cities
are
doing
it
in
a
grassroots
bottom-up
approach
who
better
to
survey
their
neighborhood
than
the
residents
themselves.
This
approach
is
also
combined
combined
with
anthropological
and
oral
histories
to
document
the
intangible
cultural
heritage
in
these
neighborhoods
firsthand
francisco
and
now
san
antonio
have
legacy
business
registries
that
include
grants
to
make
sure
that
those
businesses
are
supported
and
stay
thriving
to
pass
their
traditions
on
to
the
next
generation
they're.
V
Cities
are
also
sponsoring
new
opportunities
places
like
iowa
city
iowa,
which
is
certainly
a
small
community
but
they're
trying
to
tackle
their
affordable
housing
head
on,
where
they're,
offering
low
interest
loans
to
retrofit
small
apartment
buildings
and
also
homeowners
homes
to
keep
seniors
in
their
homes
and
keep
those
you
know,
four
plexes
in
boston's
case
those
triple
deckers
on
the
market
as
existing,
affordable
housing.
There
are
also
places
like
portland
oregon
are
doing
a
deconstruction
ordinance
that
requires
deconstruction
for
buildings
built
prior
to
1940..
V
They
are,
they
have
been
so
successful
in
portland
of
creating
new
jobs
and
businesses
that
they
expanded
their
program.
First
started
out
in
1915
now
in
1940,
so
people
have
shifted
their
behavior
of
demolition
to
meet
the
demand
of
deconstruction
and
they're
keeping
more
materials
out
of
the
landfill.
Also
share
that
the
city
of
palo
alto,
california,
recently
outlawed
demolition.
V
They
just
said
they
realized
that
in
order
to
meet
their
environmental
goals
and
zero
waste
goals
and
carbon
impact
goals
by
2030,
deconstruction
instead
of
demolition
would
allow
them
to
do
that.
So
it
is
helpful
that
the
landmarks
commission
is
in
the
department
of
environment
that
those
connections
should
be
made.
That
tearing
down
buildings
isn't
going
to
help
you
get
to
carbon
neutral
environment
so
that
that's
the
end
of
my
spiel
today,
sorry,
it
was
rapid
fire.
I
will
stop
sharing
my
screen
now
happy
to
take
any
questions.
C
No
thank
you
brianna.
That
was
great
and
I
appreciate
you
running
through
that.
Like
I
said
we
just,
we
were
a
little
over
ambitious
and
everything
that
we
could
fit
in
today,
and
we
just
had
so
many
great
panelists,
including
yourself
and
everyone
went
before.
I
want
to
quickly
jump
to
my
colleagues
who
are
here.
I
think
julia
mejia
and
kim
janey
are
still
on
for
any
question.
C
W
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
president
janey,
yes
and
yeah.
I
know
this
is
very
much
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
and
a
lot
of
the
people.
Here
we
aren't
getting
to
ask
as
many
questions
as
we
should
right
now,
but
my
goal
is
very
much
that
they
be
central
to
a
commission
running
forward.
Councillor
mejia
sure.
F
What
does
that
make
up?
Look
like
so
I'm
curious
about
some
of
that
information
if
it
exists,
and
then
I'm,
I
still
feel
like
I'm
unclear
about
the
historical
timeline
and
what
type
of
programming
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
around
things
that
happened
in
the
70s
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
you
know
like
I
still
feel
like.
I
need
some
clarity
on
that.
I
don't
I
don't.
F
I
don't
think
anyone's
really
addressed
the
reality
of
of
history
here
and
I
and
I
wanna
I
wanna
I
wanna
I
feel
like
I
need
that
answered.
I
know
you
touched
upon
it
counselor
bach,
but
I
need
to
know
when
we
think
about
this.
What
are
we
preserving
and
how
deep
are
we
willing
to
go
to
preserve
a
history
that
is
reflective
of
the
realities
that
so
many
people
here
in
the
city
of
boston
have
survived.
C
Great
do
any
of
the
panelists
I
I
know
I
think
leon
wilson
had
to
go,
but
if
jean-luc
or
john
lane
or
or
nat,
if
any
of
you
wanted
to
jump
in
on
that
in
terms
of
the
diversity
of
organizations
involved
in
rev,
250
and
then
also-
and
I
mean
I
know
it's
related
to
some
of
what
jean
luc
said-
sort
of
connecting
to
the
present
moment
and
more
recent
history.
With
this.
P
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
briefly.
I
I
can
address
both
questions
in
part,
but
I'm
happy
to
have
other
panelists
jump
in
as
well.
So,
specifically
on
the
question
of
diversity,
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
consider
an
important
goal
for
the
commemoration:
the
transformation
of
the
makeup
of
the
organizations
that
currently
do
public
history
work
in
boston.
P
So
that's
one
point
and
on
the
other
point
of
what
is
the
timeline
for
this,
I
mean
I
think
a
250th
commission
needs
to
have
at
its
as
its
center
the
sort
of
a
touchstone
around
the
revolutionary
history.
The
case
I
was
trying
to
make
was
that
there's
a
there's,
an
arc
of
of
connection
between
the
questions
that
were
born
in
the
revolutionary
moment
and
the
work
that
has
happened
in
our
city
and
in
our
country
ever
since
right.
P
We
need
to
look
at
moments
of
protest
across
the
whole
sweep
the
protests
that
you
know
kathy.
You
were.
You
were
mentioning
around
the
inner
belt
and
you
know
so
many
of
the
protest
movements
that
that
we
can
point
to
in
the
19th,
20th
and
21st
centuries
right
right
down
to
the
moment
that
we're
living
in
today,
so
that
people
see
themselves
as
part
of
an
unbroken
current
right.
We
we
should
recognize
that
the
revolution
didn't
get
it
all
figured
out
right.
It
gave
us
a
set
of
problems.
F
We're
still
fighting
a
good
fight
and
the
battle
is
still
continues,
but
I
want
to
ask
greg
a
quick
question
and
we
said
something
earlier,
and
I
know
this
was
a
while
ago,
but
in
in
regards
to
the
fact
that
the
city
has
not
moved
in
ways
that
really
honor
the
voices
of
the
people
and
in
creating
historical,
preservations
and
and
applications.
So
I'm
just
curious.
What
can
we
based
on
your
experience
and
what
can
we,
as
city
councilors,
be
fighting
for
to
help?
F
I
know
councillor
bach
is
the
champion
of
all
of
this,
but
I
I
also
would
like
to
know
what
else
we
could
be
doing
at
the
very
least,
to
activate
our
communities
and
the
people
that
who
who
live
in
dorchester,
roxbury
mattapan,
who
are
here
today,
who
aren't
paying
attention
to
what
we're
talking
about?
Who
don't
understand
the
historical
none
of
this
like?
How
do
what
can
we
do
better
to
ensure
that
our
people
are
participating
actively
in
these
conversations,
especially
understanding
the
historical
preservation
situation
better?
I
know
that's
a
lot,
but.
S
S
If
the
other
part
of
the
problem
is
we've
been
hearing
for
years
from
the
landmarks
commission
from
the
various
administrations,
we
can't
have
any
more
local
districts,
because
a
local
district,
a
local
landmark
historic
district-
that
highest
level
of
protection
that
we
talked
about,
requires
a
staff
member
to
manage
it,
and
we
don't
have
the
budget
for
more
staff
members.
So
that's
one
thing
is:
encouraging
the
administration
or
working
through
the
budget
that
the
landmarks
commission
needs
support.
They
need
more
staff,
they
can't
be
so
reactive.
S
The
other
thing
is
several
of
us
recommended
that
the
city
do
a
study
about
the
tools
we
have
what's
working
and
what's
not
working
because
the
other
part
of
the
problem
we
have,
as
we've
evolved,
to
understand,
what's
historic
as
we're
trying
to
recognize
black
history
sites,
lbgt
sites,
women's
history
sites,
many
of
those
don't
really
fit
the
standard
in
the
box
that
we
consider
historic.
They
may
not
be
architectural
treasures.
S
Some
historic
famous
architect
probably
didn't
work
on
them
that
doesn't
make
them
any
less
significant,
but
the
old
rules
we
have
written
tend
to
focus
on
that
sort
of
history
and
we
need
more
tools.
So
there
has
to
be
something
between
a
landmark
which
is
hard
to
get,
and
we
should
loosen
up
how
you
get
landmarking,
but
not
everything
should
necessarily
be
a
landmark.
We
have
landmarking
and
we
have
a
demolition
delay
that
you
heard
doesn't
work.
There
are
other
tools
in
between
that.
S
We
really
need
to
be
looking
at,
and
so
I
think,
a
combination
of
supporting
a
landmark
commission
that
can
be
more
proactive
that
can
weigh
in
and
educate
the
other
neighborhoods
about
what
the
tools
are,
how
they
can
fight
for
their
history.
That
then,
when
they
go
out
to
those
neighborhoods,
they
can
actually
have
something
they
can
give
them,
because
currently
people
in
you
know
pick
a
neighborhood.
You
know
the
north
end.
Charlestown
are
saying
we
want
a
local
historic
district
and
then
nothing
happens
because
there's
no
support,
no
ability
to
actually
implement
that.
C
R
R
But
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
those.
A
lot
of
those
points
in
history
have
very
real
impacts
into
what
is
going
on
within
our
community
today
and
how
we
navigate
covet
19
and
how
we
navigate
racial
justice,
especially
in
the
context
of
dealing
with
a
legacy
of
the
boston,
indian
imprisonment
act
which
again,
it
goes
back
over
300
years,
but
was
only
repealed
until
2005
and
under
that
law.
It
made
it
illegal
for
native
americans
to
walk
the
streets
of
boston,
unescorted
and
subject
to
imprisonment.
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
jean-luc
and
thank
you
councillor
mejia.
I
I
want
to
move
to
public
testimony
and-
and
I
just
would
encourage
everybody.
I
know
some
of
the
some
folks
who
are
in
public
testimony
have
also
sent
written
comments.
If
you
can
just
keep
your
comments
brief,
just
because
of
the
the
number
of
view
we
have
to
get
during
the
upcoming
next
council
hearing,
that's
starting
imminently,
so
the
very
first
person
I
want
to
go
to
is
representative
byron.
C
I'm
just
promoting
him
to
a
panelist
and
and
after
him,
it'll
be
kelly,
brilliant
and
then
dan
bailey,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
panelists
so
much
for
being
here
and
on
all
fronts
and
again
this
was
the
start
of
a
conversation.
So
I'm
sorry
we
didn't
get
hours
to
talk
to
each
of
you,
but
I
I
have
that
very
much
in
the
plans
for
the
future.
So
thank
you.
I
want
to
go
now
to
representative
byron.
Rushing.
C
X
X
So
let
let
me
start
off
with
my
with
with
my
last
the
last
phrase
that
I've
jotted
down
here,
and
that
is
you're
not
doing
it
correctly,
and
you
need
to
stop
it
doesn't
matter
don't
to
do
this
around
anniversaries
is
to
essentially
do
it
in
a
white
supremacist
way,
because
the
only
anniversaries
you're
talking
about
are
the
ones
that
white
people
like,
and
so
if
and
so,
there
is
no
way
to
get
around
that
just
stop
it
and
don't
do
it.
So
I
think
that
I
want
to
speak.
X
I
I
hope
counselor
mejia
is
still
on,
and
I
want
and-
and
I
want
to
speak
to
her,
but
I
also
appreciate
john
luke's
comments
on
on
this.
It.
I
think
it's
essential
that
if
we
want
to
involve
everybody,
they
are
the
ones
who
should
at.
We
should
ask
what
is
your
most
important
anniversary,
so
we
should
not
do
this
around
european's
anniversary
right.
1776
is
not
a
black
anniversary.
There
is
no
way
that
you
can
do
cut
it.
X
Anybody
who
does
true
history
of
1776
probably
knows
that
almost
as
many
black
people
fought
on
the
british
side
as
fought
on
the
side
of
the
winning
patriots
and-
and
so
that
was
that
that
doesn't
cut
any
ice
so
when,
when
black
people
had
an
opportunity
to
pick
a
date,
they
said
last
year
they
picked
16
19.,
but
that
was
a
very
unusual
opportunity
for
them
to
get
to
pick
a
date.
Don't
do
this!
X
X
They
need
to
apologize
for
the
west
end.
They
need
to
apologize
for
every
part
of
this
city
where
buildings
were
torn
down
because
they
didn't
think
the
people
in
those
those
buildings
had
any
any
value,
and
so,
if,
if
you
have
that
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
then
start
there
start
there.
We
need
to
tell
the
truth,
and
the
most
important
thing
about
this
is
to
tell
the
truth.
Now.
If
we
thought
that
an
anniversary
would
help
us
tell
the
truth,
then
I
would
be
for
the
anniversary.
X
X
C
You
thank
you
representative.
Thank
you
for
those
challenging
words
and-
and
I
think
I
think,
you're
right
that
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
about
truth
telling
in
our
whole
history.
So
if,
if
the
orientation
of
it
needs
to
change,
then
it
needs
to
change.
Let
me
go
next
to
kelly
brilliant
from
the
fenway
alliance
and
then,
after
kelly,
we've
got
dan
bailey.
C
Y
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
thanks,
counselor
bach,
for
holding
this
hearing
and
counselor
baker
and
all
the
speakers
who
came
before
sort
of
blew
me
away.
It's
been
a
long
session.
I've
had
a
an
early
dinner,
I've
gotten
a
few
grants
out,
but
that
said,
I've
been
listening
intently
and
it's
really
hard
to
follow
my
you
know
somebody.
I
super
respect.
Y
Byron,
rushing
and
he's
been
a
real
dear
to
the
fenway,
and
his
knowledge
of
history
is
immense,
so
he's
made
me
kind
of
think
and
that's
great,
and
I
think
we
do
need
to
kind
of
investigate
and
evaluate
how
we're
going
to
handle
this.
Obviously,
the
cultural
institutions
want
to
be
apart.
I
represent
the
21
cultural
and
academic
and
the
fenway.
They
are
the
big
guns.
They
are
the
mfa.
They
are
the
gardener.
They
are
the
bso
nec
jordan
hall
they're
all
going
through
their
own
evaluation
process.
Y
As
you
know,
around
issues
of
racial
equity
and
historical
representations.
So
I
think
maybe
this
does
provide
this
interesting
opportunity
to
really
look
at
it
through
those
those
that
critical
lens,
I
would
say
through
the
conversations
it
struck
me
as,
if
we're
trying
to
put
everything
in
the
kitchen
sink
in
this.
You
know
it
will
kind
of
be
nothing.
There
will
have
to
be
some
sort
of
historic
focus,
so
I
think
it's
perfectly
reasonable
to
pick
one
and
maybe
pick
one
as
byron
suggesting
a
really
important
one
in
our
city.
Y
Maybe
we
lead
the
way
in
that
we
are
here
to
help,
though,
anyway,
the
fenway
alliance
members
can
be
part
of
the
exhibitions,
the
cultural
performances
we
want
to
be.
We
want
to
be
part
of
this
and
we
want
it
to
be
sensitively
done,
and
I
really
trust
people.
I
know
everyone
here
is
smart
and
well-intentioned,
and
they
are
I
I
just
I.
I
think
the
process
will
get
us
to
a
good
spot,
but
I'm
I'm
raising
my
hand
to
be
part
of
any
task
force
or
committee
that
gets
involved
in
and
byron.
Z
Thank
you,
so
my
name's
dan
bailey,
I'm
an
east
boston
resident.
This
has
been
a
really
great
conversation,
but
I
hope
we
will
use
this
opportunity
to
reform
our
historic
preservation
system
and
priorities
in
the
city.
So
I've
been
working
with
my
neighbors
in
east
boston
for
many
years
on
historic
preservation,
priorities
in
the
neighborhood
and
honestly,
it's
been
really
frustrating.
There's
a
lot
of
support
for
preservation
in
the
neighborhood,
a
lot
of
pride
in
the
neighborhood's
history,
particularly
the
contributions
of
the
successive
ways
of
immigrant
groups.
Z
The
neighborhood
has
shouldered
more
and
more
environmental
and
health
burdens,
airport
expansion,
construction
of
route,
1a
fuel
storage
facilities,
and
each
of
these
environmental
burdens
was
accompanied
by
the
destruction
of
neighborhood
cultural
heritage,
the
loss
of
historic
buildings,
streets
and
parkland
homes
and
businesses
without
residents
consent,
and
that
pattern
continues
today.
So
we're
continually
losing
more
and
more
buildings
every
year
to
private
speculative
development
and
it's
a
continued
slow
erosion
of
the
neighborhood's
cultural
heritage
and
as
in
the
past,
it
comes
with
huge
environmental
burdens,
as
we've
heard
from
others
today.
Z
Z
As
we've
heard,
we
need
tools
and
policies
that
are
more
flexible
than
our
current,
all
or
nothing
landmark,
designation
and
that
return
control
of
cultural
heritage
decisions
to
our
communities,
and
we
need
to
recognize
the
full
value
of
older
and
historic
buildings,
not
just
as
historical
and
cultural
resources,
but
also
as
economic
and
environmental
resources
as
well,
and
once
these
resources
are
gone,
they're
lost
forever.
So
I
hope
we'll
approach
this
with
some
urgency.
Z
AA
AA
I
also
live
in
east
boston
in
the
eagle
hill
neighborhood.
We
are
on
in
the
national
registry
of
historic
places,
and
yet
houses
are
getting
torn
down
every
day.
Everything
seems
to
be
in
the
name
of
development.
More
more
and
more,
we
are
super
dense,
we're
the
third
densest
neighborhood
in
boston
and
all
we
keep
hearing
as
the
argument
for
needing
to
tear
down
family
homes,
single
families.
AA
Two
families
is
that
we
need
more
housing,
but
the
housing
that's
being
built
is
not
the
type
of
housing
that
we
need,
and
there
are
other
places
to
put
it
rather
than
in
the
dentist
place
in
one
of
the
dentist
places
in
the
city
and
especially
because
the
community
really
is
having
no
input
and
we
are
trying.
There
are
many
of
us
who
come
to
these
hearings.
We
attend
cba
meetings.
We
submit
commentary
to
our
city
councilors
to
the
you
know.
AA
We
come
to
the
neighborhood
meetings
and
we
vote
against
projects
or
for
projects
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
we're
putting
this
time
and
energy
and
extremely
frustrating.
This
is
not
our
job.
It
should
be
the
city's
job
to
protect
these
these
resources
in
our
community,
and
I
will
say
that
you
know
in
terms
of
what
can
be
done
now
like.
I
think
this
you
know,
2026
plan
is
great,
but
what
I
think
is
a
very
important
step
right
now.
AA
AA
Until
that
happens,
though,
everything
is
just
you
know,
willy-nilly
getting
raised
in
any
given
meeting
I
go
to.
There
are
five
or
six
properties
on
the
agenda
that
are
going
to
be
either
demolished,
or
you
know,
turned
from
a
two
family
to
a
four
family
or
six
family
or
a
nine
nine
family,
and
I
think,
before
the
damage
is
done
to
the
point
where
we
are
the
next
west
end
on
a
one.
AA
By
one
basis,
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
moratorium
on
any
demolition
of
properties
for
any
of
the
communities
that
are
being
that
are
recognized
for
being
endangered
right
now
and
that
have
plans
for
rezoning
in
the
works.
There's
no
point
in
spending
all
this
money
on
doing
these
plans.
If
there's
going
to
be
nothing
left
by
the
plan
time,
the
plans
come
into
place.
N
N
So
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
it's
a
time
to
look
at
this
planning.
I
support
everyone.
Who's
been
saying.
Boston
landmarks
needs
more
help.
It's
it's
it's!
It's
ridiculous!
How
small
the
department
is
relative
to
the
departments
in
los
angeles
and
the
amount
of
money
given
over
to
it,
for
the
amount
of
work
that
they
have
to
do
so,
and
I've
only
been
here
for
a
couple
years.
I
think
they're
amazing
professionals
and
need
a
lot
more
support.
AB
So
I've
been
very
frustrated
during
planned,
downtown
to
see
chinatown
repeatedly
being
named
as
not
having
no
historic
assets
when
we
have
a
very
rich
history,
and
so
we
recently
led
a
participatory
planning
effort
to
for
the
community's
own
chinatown
master
plan.
2020,
and
one
of
our
important
recommendations
is
the
creation
of
chinatown
as
a
historic
and
cultural
district,
some
of
our
important
historical
assets,
you
know
precede
when
it
was
called
chinatown.
As
a
south
cove.
We
still
have
many
remaining
historic
assets.
AB
AB
So
I
think
that
historic
districts
are
an
important
way
to
do
this,
but
we
need
to
update
the
way
that
we
see
these
historic
districts.
It
cannot
only
be
about
architecture.
Historic
preservation
is
also
about
preserving
neighborhoods
and
especially
our
working
class,
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
color.
In
order
to
do
this,
we,
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
of
color
have
seen
landmark
districts
as
a
factor
in
gentrification
and
displacement,
but
we
see
it
as
an
important
opportunity
and
how.
AB
D
W
C
Thank
you
thank
you,
lydia,
and
I
will
send
you
yes
submit
the
slides,
please
and
and
for
everyone
else.
If
people
can
just
take
a
minute
and
then
send
me
your
written
testimony
and
we'll
make
sure
it
gets
circulated
to
all
counselors.
I
am
sorry
about
this
rush.
At
the
end,
I
we're
going
next
to
rodney
and
then
it'll
be
martha.
Mcnamara
rodney.
AC
C
AC
Okay
and
imagine
for
a
moment
that
you
go
there
specifically
to
look
for
the
iconic
garages.
In
fact
that
represents
so
much
of
his
work
on
eyes
on
the
prize
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
and
that
they're
not
there,
and
I
think
the
point
was
made
whose
history
are
we
talking
about,
and
I
think
that's
a
perfect
example
of
you
know
things
that
that
are
essentially
not
not
being
protected
and
and
how
to.
AC
I
think,
byron's
point
that
we're
not
telling
the
truth
effectively
and
a
lot
of
these
processes
and
procedures
like
article
85,
aren't
doing
a
good
job
of
telling
the
truth,
because
you
can
imagine
if
it's,
if
we're,
if
we're
celebrating
revolutionary
history,
for
instance,
if
we
were
to
go
to
the
sand
pipe,
it
would
still
be
there.
And
so
that's
that's
that's
the
point
I
mean
we
got
to
re
rethink.
I
think
how
we
protect
a
lot
of
these
sites.
AC
AD
Aye
thanks,
I'm
gonna
be
very
brief,
because
I
know
we're
getting
to
the
end
here.
I'm
an
architectural
historian
and
preservationist
I've
been
active
in
the
preservation
community
in
boston
for
over
35
years,
former
member
of
the
beacon
hill,
architectural
commission,
I'm
also
the
co-chair
of
revolutionary
spaces,
which,
as
we've
heard
before
from
nat
chadley,
is
the
a
new
cultural
organization
that
stewards,
the
old
state
house
and
the
old
south
meeting
house.
I
want
to
underscore
the
important
points
that
boston's
preservation
policies
and
processes
really
need
to
be
changed.
AD
They
need
to
be
updated.
It's
really
resulting
in
a
loss
of
a
tremendous
amount
of
our
historic
and
cultural
resources
and
in
part,
because
we
don't
have
enough
attention
paid
to
ordinary
buildings
right.
It's
not
just
the
iconic
buildings
in
our
city
that
tell
the
story,
but
actually
ordinaries
streetscapes,
ordinary
landscapes,
ordinary
neighborhoods
are
are,
can
help
us
tell
a
much
broader,
much
deeper
and
much
more
diverse
story
about
the
history
of
our
city.
AD
I
just
want
to
end
too
by
saying
that
I
think
byron,
rushing,
who
I
greatly
respect
in
for
all
sorts
of
reasons,
has
has
challenged
us.
Rightly,
to
think
about
why
we
are
celebrating
these
anniversaries,
and
I
think
we
have
to
carry
that
forward,
but
I
do
think
that
this
is
an
extraordinary
opportunity
for
us
to
leverage
those
250th
anniversaries
that
most
people
will
be
familiar
with
for
a
greater
good
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
kenzie
for
doing
this.
C
Thank
you
so
much
martha
next
up,
carissa
and
then
it'll
be
susan
broner
and
I
do
want
to
acknowledge.
We
were
joined
by
my
colleague,
councillor
isabe
george,
who
is
supposed
to
be
chairing
the
hearing
that
should
have
started
five
minutes
ago,
so
grateful
to
her
for
forbearance
and
that's
why
we're
rushing
through
here
carissa.
AE
Your
counselors
thank
you
for,
for
this
really
excellent
conversation.
Today,
it's
it's
been
wonderful
and
I
will
keep
my
comments
as
brief
as
I
can
and
follow
up
with
you
all
in
writing.
I'm
representing
historic
new
england,
which
owns
and
operates
the
otis
house
on
cambridge
street
and
historic
new
england,
just
wants
to
say
that
the
historic
building
stock
across
boston
is
an
asset
to
be
leveraged,
not
just
on
anniversaries
or
building
by
building.
But,
of
course,
at
a
city
scale.
AE
Old
buildings
are,
of
course,
often
aesthetically
appealing
and
they
have
cultural
significance,
but
boston's
historic
places
are
also
a
tool
for
equity
and
social
justice.
As
we've
been
discussing,
they
are
critical
to
climate
resiliency
efforts
because
they
were
built
to
last
historic.
Preservation
supports
a
diverse
built
environment
which
in
turn
supports
economic
diversity,
small
minority
and
women.
Doing
businesses
and
retains
high
quality,
affordable
housing
stock
old
buildings
also
help
to
create
dense
walkable
communities
and
vibrant
streetscapes
that
benefit
residents
and,
of
course,
bring
in
tourism.
AE
So,
looking
ahead,
there
must
be
stronger,
proactive
partnerships
between
decision-makers,
historic
preservation,
professionals
and
community
leaders
to
ensure
that
diverse
neighborhoods
have
access
to
historic
preservation
tools
that
includes
undertaking
context
studies,
the
types
of
survey
that
inform
planning
and
policy
decisions,
ensuring
inclusive
criteria
for
landmarking
and
creating
historic
districts,
allowing
communities
to
use
historic
preservation
as
a
tool
to
mitigate
the
negative
impacts
of
redevelopment
on
their
neighborhoods,
and
it
includes
financial
incentives
for
lower
income
property
owners.
Things
like
a
local
historic
preservation,
tax
credit
or
access
to
cpa
dollars
to
offset
preservation,
maintenance
costs.
AE
It
also
means
ensuring
that
city
of
boston
staff
across
many
departments
appreciate
historic
preservation
issues
and
benefits
and
can
dedicate
staff
resources
to
the
kind
of
community
engagement
that
supports
preservation
outcomes.
Thank
you
again
for
today's
conversation
about
this.
As
we
approach
the
sester
centennial
anniversary,
we
look
forward
to
continued
dialogue
with
the
city
and
others
to
strengthen
and
expand
historic
preservation
and
the
vitality
of
our
local
neighborhoods.
AF
AG
AG
They
love
driving
around
boston
and
seeing
that
it
isn't
just
a
cookie
cutter
like
every
other
city
that
has
the
same
chain
stores
everywhere
and
they
love
the
old
architecture
and
sadly,
as
people
have
pointed
out,
it's
a
tough
struggle
to
hold
on
to
some
of
those
I'd
like
to
know
not
not
today,
but
on
the
demolition
delay
to
me.
If
it's
only
postponing
the
inevitable,
it's
just
adding
stress
to
the
people
who
care
and
I'm
curious.
AG
C
Great,
thank
you
so
much
sarah,
and
with
that
we
conclude
public
comment
and
I
just
really
want
to
thank.
I
want
to
thank
my
colleague,
counselor
mejia,
for
being
here
for
the
whole
time
and
for
all
the
other
counselors
who
joined
counselor,
janie,
counselors,
hobby
george,
councillor
flynn,
councillor
braden,
councillor
baker,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
the
historic
preservation
community
for
coming
out
in
force
for
to
greg
and
kathy
and
leslie
and
brianna.
C
For
speaking
from
that
perspective
and
and
for
the
folks
who
spoke
on
the
commemoration,
jean-luc
leon,
jonathan
and
nat,
I
know
that
each
of
these
panels
we
could
have
mined
your
insight
for
hours
on
end
and
so
again,
I'm
just
really
grateful
for
you
to
be
here.
To
start
the
conversation
with
us
and
to
the
administration.
You
know,
kate
davis
has
been
on
the
whole
time
john
mccolgan,
david
leonard
and,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
insight
from
lins
mileage
and
chris
cook
and
and
from
michael
canizzo.
C
I
think
we've
started
a
bunch
of
great
conversations
today.
I
think
again,
I
appreciate
byron
rushing's
challenge
and
I
think
the
idea
of
commemoration
and
broadening
our
conversation
here
is
the
right
one.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
again
want
to
thank
everybody
and
lastly,
thank
again,
my
colleague
counselor
asabi
george,
for
her
forbearance.
If
you
are
watching-
and
you
have
come
for
the
education
hearing
is
about
to
start
and
with
this
on
behalf
of
counselor,
go.