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From YouTube: Planning Development & Transportation on August 13, 2020
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COMMITTEE MEETING re: Zoning Board of Appeals Appointments
B
Are
there
other
people
here
with
you,
counselor
flaherty,
just.
A
A
C
Today,
no
today
is
it
it's
a
hearing.
It's
a
counselor
wu
is
chairing
and
and
sponsored
a
hearing
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
There
are
currently
appointments.
There's
three.
I
think
new
appointments
and
one
reappointment
that
are
being
held
in
her
committee.
I
think
she's
looking
for
some
answers
for
some
questions
that
she
had
that.
I
don't
think
she
fully
answered.
So
I
think
that's
what's
part
of
it,
but
what's
happening
now.
Is
that
the
zoning
board
of
appeals?
C
We
don't
have
a
quorum,
so
things
are
starting
to
back
up
at
the
zoning
board
of
appeals,
small
things
from
small
additions
to
your
home
and
increasing
living
spaces
to
bigger
more
important
projects
so
that
we
should
be
focusing
on
so
hopefully
we
should
get
some
questions
answered
tonight
and
it'll
issue.
A
committee
report
and
put
it
in
front
of
the
council
next
wednesday
for
a
vote
would
be,
I
guess,
optimistic
other
than
that.
That's
what
it
is.
It's
just
to
get
some
questions
from
from
a
previous
hearing.
A
D
C
To
say,
I
want
to
say
that
there's
a
total
of
four
appointments,
there's
three
new
appointments,
because
there's
been
vacancies
on
the
board
and
there's
one
reappointment
but
counselor
woo.
When
she
comes
on,
she
can
probably
explain
probably
in
detail,
I
don't
have
the
appointments
in
front
of
me.
I
I'm
having
my
staff
email
them
to
me
as
we
speak
so,
but
I
think
it's
just
in
general
to
talk
about
the
appointments
and
sort
of
next
steps
and
hopes
that
you
get
the
answers
from
last
time.
C
No
promise
it's
flynn's
birthday,
he
probably
thinks
he's
he's
got
all
the
answers
tonight,
so
you
might
want
to
follow
him
tonight.
A
Is
he
on
he
he's
such
a
hard
worker?
He's
he's
been
showing
up
to
everything
we
have
have.
We
said
happy
birthday
to
him.
A
C
E
F
C
A
D
I
I'm
trying
to
get
into
into
the
hearing
the
video's
not
working.
I
don't
know
if
flaherty's
not
letting
me
in.
B
Hey
counselor
flynn,
happy
birthday:
it's
candice,
hey
candace,
how
you
good?
How
are
you
good
thanks
the
video's
not
showing
right
now,
because
we
have
the
slide
up
just
for
recording
and
starting
purposes,
but
once
the
meeting
gets
started,
you'll
be
able
to
see
everyone.
D
C
A
Can
you
just
tell
counselor
wu
that
I'll
go
last,
I'm
driving,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
wanna,
I'm
gonna
be
listening
most
of
the
time,
so
I'm
gonna
go
on
mute.
Okay,
but
I
am
here.
A
G
Ready
anytime,
I
was
just
going
to
give
another
minute
in
case
any
other
colleagues
came,
but
I'm
not
waiting
for
anyone
in
particular
from
in
terms
of
panelists
or
anything
candice.
If
you
would,
if
you
could
just
I,
like,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
frank
before
mike
I
mean
I
assume.
Eddie
was
first
because
he
always
is,
but
what
the
order
was
after
that
order.
G
C
D
B
B
Flynn
and
then
you
came
in
and
now
I
see,
counselor
bach
has
just
entered,
it
was
counselor.
Counselor,
counselor
baker
came
in
right
after
you,
so
he
was
right
before
councillor
bach.
B
G
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
recording
now
candice,
I'm
just
getting
a
message
that
says
video
can't
be
started.
I
know
you
know
no
one
needs
to
see
all
of
our
zoom
faces
again
if
they
don't
want
to,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
want
folks
to
allow
their
to
enable
their
videos
just
to
have
more
than
the
audio
okay.
B
I'm
just
going
to
change
the
settings
around
a
little
bit:
okay,.
G
G
Okay,
great
looks
like
we
are
good
to
go
and
videos
can
be
turned
on
if
folks
would
like.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
joining
us,
especially
our
birthday
boy.
Today,
who's
been
given
special
privileges
to
jump
the
line
to
be
first
in
the
order,
because
of
that.
G
So
thank
you
to
counselors
ed
flynn,
michael
flaherty,
frank
baker,
kenzie
bach
and
julia
mejia.
So
far
this
is
not
actually
a
hearing
or
a
working
session.
It
is
a
meeting
of
the
city
council's
committee
on
planning
development
and
transportation,
and
it
was
called
to
discuss
the
oops.
I
see
more
counselors
in
the
waiting
room
okay
hold
on.
Let
me
see
I.
G
So,
okay,
lydia
edwards,
anissa,
sabi
george.
Let
me
see
if
there's
anyone
else
in
the
waiting
room
that
we
missed?
Okay,
that's
all
I'm
seeing
for
now.
So
I
was
just
saying
this
is
a
committee
meeting
rather
than
a
hearing
or
working
session,
because
we
are
I'm
hoping
to
address
the
issues,
the
issue
overall
of
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
the
nominees
before
the
council,
rather
than
specific
dockets.
So
today,
I've
called
this
meeting
to
address
the
pending
vacancies
in
the
zba.
G
As
you
know,
the
city
council
has
authority
to
exercise
oversight
over
this
board.
With
our
confirmation
power
we've
been
given
that
power
over
of
oversight
through
state
law-
and
this
is
not
our
standard
process.
Usually
we
would
be
inviting
nominees
in
one
by
one
and
having
a
discussion
about
their
qualifications
or
their
motivations
for
serving
on
the
board,
but
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
these
are
not
standard
appointments.
G
These
appointments
include
the
seats
that
were
vacated
from
resignation
in
the
wake
of
a
federal
corruption
investigation
with
underlying
questions,
and
many
of
us
have
continued
to
hear
from
our
constituents
that
the
development
process,
and
specifically
the
zba's
role
within
that
process,
isn't
working
for
neighborhoods
and
residents.
It's
not
about
the
individual's
eba
members
who
work
extremely
hard,
and
our
volunteers
is
about
the
structure
of
the
board
and
because
of
that,
the
council,
at
our
last
meeting,
passed
a
home
rule.
G
That
councilor
edwards
had
introduced
that
requires
structural
change
to
the
zba.
So
you
know
we
all
voted
on
it,
but
the
the
normal
petition
requires
more
transparency
and
some
process
changes,
but
it
also
works
to
correct
a
mismatch
between
the
expertise
represented
on
the
board
and
the
expertise
that
communities
need
to
for
neighborhoods
to
feel
like
the
development
is
serving
their
needs.
G
Residents
have
been
raising
these
issues
throughout
the
development
boom
and
we
have
it
kind
of
came
to
a
head
last
year
when
there
was
a
guilty
plea
from
a
former
city
employee
around
taking
a
bribe
to
influence
his
eba
decision.
So
in
the
months
then,
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
we
have
not
moved
these
appointments
while
waiting
for
the
cloud
over
the
zba's
integrity
to
be
lifted.
G
Questions
about
what
happened,
who
was
involved?
How
we
could
guarantee
residents,
can
trust
the
city
agency
and
city
government
waiting
for
the
investigations
to
be
completed,
waiting
to
see
the
reports
and
then
receiving
a
few
pages
that
did
not
provide
the
answers
and
I've
forwarded
questions.
I've
asked
and
responses
received
to
all
the
counselors
as
well.
G
So
I
wanted
to
ask
everyone
here
to
discuss
evaluating
these
appointments
differently
than
usual
council
business,
because
in
my
estimation,
we
we
can't
go
back
to
business
as
usual
on
the
zba
for
many
reasons
just
outlined,
and
I
think
we
have
the
opportunity
to
reflect
the
spirit
of
that
homework
petition
that
we
just
passed
to
require
that
type
of
expertise
that
isn't
currently
represented,
which
we
need
to
be
injected
into
the
development
process.
G
So
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
that
the
city
council
city
council's
power
is
limited,
but
while
we're
waiting
for
the
state
to
take
up
action
on
this
homeworld
petition,
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
we
take
up
these
nominations
differently
than
usual
and
take
the
opportunity
to
ask
for
expertise
that
matches
the
legislation.
We
just
voted
on,
which
I
forwarded
all
the
resumes
of
the
sitting
board
members
as
well
as
the
nominees,
and
you
know
you
can.
We
can
go
through
that
in
more
detail
if
you
like,
but
that
type
of
expertise.
G
Those
two
categories
in
particular
that
are
about
ensuring
the
future
of
our
city,
the
development
that
we're
putting
into
all
of
our
neighborhoods
matches
the
needs
that
we'll
see
from
a
climate
perspective
from
an
urban
planning
perspective
that
is
not
currently
represented
on
the
board
or
in
the
nominees
that
are
before
us.
Okay.
So
that's
what
I
wanted
to
get
on
the
table
just
from
my
perspective
about
why
we're
here
and
why
we're
doing
it
a
little
bit
differently
than
usual.
G
So
you
know,
I
think,
maybe
with
zoom
it
makes
sense,
for
I
don't
think
because
it's
a
committee
meeting
that
we
need
to
go
through
one
by
one
and
you
know
and
make
sure
everyone
says
something.
So
if
folks
want
to
okay,
I
see
some
answers.
F
D
Thank
you
thank
you
councilwoo,
and
to
my
colleagues
for
convening
this
committee
meeting.
D
D
It
can
encourage
people
through
their
smart
development
of
of
staying
in
communities
of
raising
families
and
setting
setting
an
agenda
that
a
city
works
for
everybody,
especially
for
families,
young
families
that
are
just
starting
out
that
we
have.
We
have
great
planners
that
are
looking
into
you
know.
D
Schools
that
are
looking
into
where
park
should
go
are
looking
into
transportation
issues,
so
they
should
have
a
vast
knowledge
of
of
city
government,
but
they
should
have
a
vast
knowledge
of
real
life
experience
of
what
it
is
about:
raising
a
young
family
and
what
a
young
family
needs
in
a
city
and
an
urban
planner
a
designer
would
know
those
issues,
but
also
residents
of
boston,
know
the
critical
role
of
neighborhoods
and
how
they
can
be
helpful,
keeping
families
in
our
city
and,
unfortunately,
at
times
families
move
out
of
cities
because
of
lack
of
services.
D
C
C
We
know
when
the
terms
expire
for
those
members-
and
I
raised
that
only
because
I
it
could
take
a
year
two,
maybe
longer
to
get
our
home
rule
passed
and
the
concerns
and
again
identifying
obviously,
transparency
is
is,
is
huge
and
making
sure
that
residents
and
both
the
petitioners
and
the
butters
never
feel
that
the
cake
is
baked
and
we
clearly
need
to
make
sure
we.
C
C
At
the
same
time,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
you
touched
on
them
and
you're
opening
that
folks
that
have
experience
around
the
environment
and
housing
and
such
so.
So
I
was
curious
on
that
to
see
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
kind
of
whether
continue
to
move
this
forward
with
the
eye
towards
sort
of
obviously
the
home
rule
petition
and
making
some
of
those
changes
that
we
need,
but
it
may
come
in
the
form
of,
as
other
memberships
expire,
a
little
further
down
the
road.
C
I
only
raise
that
because
the
calls
I'm
getting
folks
the
jj
carroll
apartments
in
brighton,
that
we
did
a
lot
of
work
for
they.
They
had
to
defer
at
a
recent
meeting
because
there
was
no
quorum
and
that's
a
huge
project
in
council,
braden's
district
that
for
senior
housing
and
now
the
residents
are
going
to
suffer
because
they're
they're
waiting
for
there
to
be
a
quorum
and
waiting
for
these
things
to
get
approved
and
so
again
recognizing
the
need
for
transparency,
making
sure
that
we're
getting
the
proper
skill
set.
C
But
the
lack
of
appointments
are
now
starting
to
trickle
out
to
the
neighborhood
when,
where
folks
and
a
lot
of
people
are
home
due
to
covid,
so
they're,
probably
like
myself,
they're
looking
around
the
house
and
they're
finding
things
that
need
to
be
fixed
and
whether
it's
a
replacing
a
deck
or
adding
a
dormer
or
smaller
fixes
that
do,
I
believe,
or
not-
require
zoning
board
of
pa
pal
approval,
they're
kind
of
being
held
hostage
to
to
this
issue.
And
that's
that's
my
concern.
C
I
want
to
strike
the
balance
and
I
want
to
recognize
that
you
know
we
need
to
make
an
adjustment
in
terms
of
the
skill
set
that
we're
going
to
be
requiring
from
our
zoning
board
of
appeal
members,
as
well
as
put
in
the
necessary
safeguards
around
conflict
of
interest
and
stuff
like
that.
But
at
the
same
time
we
need
to
kind
of
continue
to
move
the
city's
business
forward
and
I
think
the
late
latest
statistic
I
had
got
was
because
of
cove,
and
I
think,
there's
close
to
you
know
close.
C
I
think
it's
like,
except
close
to.
700
cases
are
backlogged
because
of
cover,
and
so
we
have
those
that
are
sort
of
sort
of
sort
of
stuck
in
the
quagmire
and
every
day
I
just
I
just
got
off
a
bpda
hearing,
as
did
a
couple
of
our
other
colleagues
on
new
matters.
I
think
there's
20
something
on
the
agenda
today.
So
again,
these
deployments
were
made
back
in
october.
I
think
a
couple
were
in
october
a
couple
in
january.
C
I
think
we
at
least
need
to
kind
of
continue
to
to
move
forward
and
to
give
the
board
you
know
at
least
the
membership
of
a
quorum
so
that
they
can
continue
to
do
the
people's
business.
While
we
strike
that
balance
and
we
iron
out
sort
of
the
the
needs
that
we've
identified
through
the
homework
petition-
and
it
may
you
know,
I
think
the
argument
is
today-
it's
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
get
them
out
of
this
batch
of
appointments.
But
it
may
be
something
that
we
have
to
kind
of.
C
We
have
to
strike
that
balance
and
maybe
do
it
over
a
period
of
time
and
again,
that's
just
my
food
for
thought,
and
it's
only
because
I'm
now
getting
calls
and
concerns
from
residents
from
taxpayers
who
are
trying
to
do
really
small
improvements
on
their
homes
throughout
all
of
the
neighborhoods
and
they're
hitting
the
wall
because
of
the
backlog,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
recognize
that
you
know
that
there's
a
role
to
play
and
that
there's
business
to
be
done.
C
You
know
the
same
type
and
we're
trying
to
get
some
of
these
changes
brought
forward
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
all
in
this
one
full
swoop
of
these
four
appointments.
I
think
we
got
to
give
some
thought
to
how
do
we
kind
of
keep
the
trains
running
on
time
at
the
same
time,
focus
on
the
changes
that
we
needed
that
we've
identified
in
the
homework
petition
and
kind
of
move
forward.
G
Thank
you
concert
flaherty
yeah,
just
I
I
forgot
to
mention
in
the
beginning
the
backlog.
So
that's
that's
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
call
this
meeting
today
in
the
hopes
that
at
our
next
council
meeting
next
week,
that
I
I
want
to
see
action
on
this
one
way
or
the
other.
You
know,
as
committee
chair
I'll,
put
a
recommendation
before
the
council
then,
but
we
need
we
need
to
address
this,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
know
so.
Just
in
case
folks
would
find
this
background
helpful.
G
There
are
currently
four
active
full
board
members,
two
active
alternates
and
one
holdover
alternate.
So
there
are
seven
people
who
are
essentially
serving
on
the
board
right
now.
Five
makes
a
quorum.
The
issue
is
that
you
know
not.
Everyone
can
make
every
meetings.
People
need
to
recuse
themselves,
et
cetera.
We
have.
C
Right
in
that,
madam
chair,
just
on
the
for
man,
I'm
sure,
if
I
mentioned
subject
on
the
four
that
are
in
front
of
us
are
in
committee,
which
one
of
them
are
statutory
seats
like
what
like
the
architectural
board
or
the
real
estate
board.
G
Yeah,
so
to
answer
that
question,
there
are
two
full
members
nominated
each
are
with
a
statutory
background,
one
from
greater
boston,
real
estate
board
and
the
other
from
the
bsa,
the
boston
society
of
architects
and
then
there's
another
new
alternate
nominated
again
with
that
boston
society
of
architects
track
and
then
there's
just
a
reappointment
of
an
alternate
who
is
with
the
with
the
building
trades
employers
association
but
again
is
serving.
It
continues
to
serve
and
hold
our
status
right
now.
E
Thank
you,
council
flaherty,
for
your
words
there.
I
think
that
I
I
think
they
ring
true
that
we
have
to.
We
have
to
move
some
some
appointments
along,
so
we
can
get
back
to
business.
I'm
hearing
the
same
stories
about
people,
people
trying
to
get
work
done
and
the
normally
arduous
processes
is
is
even
longer
and
the
other
day
I
had
a
I
had
a
project
shot
down.
I
thought
it
was.
E
A
good
project
had
had
an
amazing
amount
of
a
butter
support,
civic
support
and
one
person
that
didn't
take
take
take
part
in
the
in
the
in
the
the
whole
process,
which
lasted
about
two
and
a
half
years,
wanted
to
make
noise
and
and
and
run
around
the
campfire
and
made
calls
and
ultimately
ended
up
getting
the
project
project
denied,
which
I
was
I
was
shocked,
so
I
you
know,
I
think
we
need.
I
think
we
need
some.
I
think
we
need
to
move
these
along.
E
G
Great,
thank
you.
Counselor
baker,
counselor
bach
and
as
counselor
bach
is
unmuting.
I'm
gonna
I
just
my
team
just
sent
over
the
expiration
dates
for
all
the
existing
members,
so
I'll
afford
I'll
email
that
out
to
everyone
right
now,
too,.
I
I
It
does
make
sense
when
we've
got
four
appointments
before
us,
which
is
a
pretty
substantial
portion
of
the
board
and
we've
expressed
as
a
body
a
desire
to
move
that
board's
like
knowledge
and
capacity
in
this
direction
of
more
more
expertise
in
environmental
issues
in
urban
planning
like
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
that
we
would
use
those
vacancies
to
try
to
achieve
some
of
that
expertise
in
the
interim,
and
I
mean
I
do
think
it's
complicated
somewhat
by
the
fact
that
to
counselor
flaherty's
point
that
these
appointees
have
been
offered
by
some
of
the
appointing
bodies
right
so
the
bsa
and
then
I
think
the
other
ones.
I
The
real
estate
board.
Is
that
right,
madam
chair,
the
two,
the
two
who
would
become
permanent
members,
one
is
grab
and
the
other
one
is
bsa.
But
I
guess
my
instinct
on
this
is
that,
if,
if
we
could,
you
know
find
a
way
to
it,
just
feels
like
the
situation
has
changed,
since
these
appointments
came
in
in
multiple
respects.
I
Right
there's,
both
the
like
federal
inquiry
and
the
whole
set
of
things
that
the
chair
referenced
and
then
there's
also
the
fact
that
we,
the
council,
have
taken
a
position
in
in
concert
with
the
mayor
about
what
the
zba
used
to
like
ought
to
look
like,
and
since
there
is
room
for
us
to
reflect
that
in
these.
G
Exciting
now
you're
back,
we
I,
for
I
don't
know
if
it
was
just
me,
but
your
sound
cut
out,
for
you
know,
15
seconds.
Okay,.
I
Right
so
they've
changed
in
the
meantime,
both
in
terms
of
us
taking
action
and
in
terms
of
what's
happened,
vis-a-vis
the
zba-
and
I
don't
think
it's
crazy
for
us
to
go
back
to
the
appointing
authorities
and
say
hey
as
a
policy
matter,
we're
really
committed
to
this
type
of
expertise.
Could
you
guys
put
forward
appointees?
Who
would
reflect
that
we
might
have
to
think
through
what
the
mechanics
of
that
are?
Madam
chair,
like
do
we
ask
one
of
those
bodies
to
put
forward
somebody
who
reflects
those
like
you
know.
I
Somebody
reflects
one
of
those
capacities
and
the
other
to
put
forward
someone
who
reflects
the
other
right
like,
and
I
think,
there's
also
a
question
I
would
be
open
to
for
like
bsa.
I
think
they
have
both
an
alternate
and
a
board
member
in
the
mix,
and
I
would
also
be
you
know,
open
to
one
of
those
two
appointees
becoming
somebody
who's
got
this
expertise.
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
think
about
the
process
here.
I
I
also
think
that
if
we
do
make
that
request,
the
onus
is
on
the
council
to
counselor,
flaherty's
and
and
baker's
points
to
take
up
any.
You
know
subsequently
submitted
appointment
like
very
expeditiously
right
to
hold
a
hearing
and
vote
on
it
like
in
rapid
fire,
but-
and
I
do
share
the
concern
I
mean
jj
carroll
is
a
project
that
I
worked
on
back
when
I
was
at
the
housing
authority,
and
I
think
like
it's,
it's
obviously
concerning
when,
when
we
aren't
able
to
move
business
forward.
I
Although
to
the
chairs
point
we
haven't,
we
haven't
reached
the
point
where
it
is
like
impossible
for
the
business
to
move
forward.
It's
a
constellation
of
factors
right
that
caused
that
particular
one
to
happen,
but
there's
a
reason
we
have
alternates
and
we
want
to
have
a
fully
appointed
board
so
yeah.
So
that
would
be
my
my
main
comments.
I
Madam
chair
is
like
I
I'm
inclined
to
the
idea
that,
with
this
many
vacancies
before
us
and
in
light
of
the
whole
situation,
it
makes
sense
to
to
ask
the
nominating
authorities
to
to
re-nominate
with
those
in
mind,
but
with
the
view
that
we
would
want
to
do
it
really
specifically
and
and
then
that
the
onus
would
be
on
the
council
to
pursue
it
very
expeditiously.
You
know
subsequently,
and-
and
I
don't
know
whether
you
know
and
then
I
I'm
you
know
ambivalent
about.
I
Perhaps
we
should
just
confirm
the
holdover
person
like
I
don't
know
what
the
kind
of
what
I'm.
Actually
I
find
myself
slightly
unfamiliar
with
what
the
council's
norms
has
been
on
on
re.
You
know
read
passing
ones
that
have
been
nominated
before,
but
certainly
if
our,
if,
if
it's
been
our
default
to
kind
of
judge
that,
if
somebody's
you
know
been
a
member
in
good
standing,
that
we
continue,
that
might
make
sense
but
anyways,
that's
those
are
my
two
cents.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
holding
this
meeting.
G
Thank
you,
counselor
bach,
that's
very
helpful.
I
will
add
one
point
that
you
brought
up
in
terms
of
what
are
the
options
for
trying
to
get
this
expertise.
So,
yes,
there's
those
two
seats
that
are
connected
with
organizations
and
each
of
those
organizations
usually
can
put
forward.
Let
me
just
double
check.
The
legislation
can
put
forward
multiple
nominees
so,
for
example,
the
greater
boston,
real
estate
board,
nominates
four
people
to
the
mayor
and
the
mayor
picks
one
of
them
and
same
thing
with
the
boston
society
of
architects.
G
G
I
will
also
note
that
there
is
another
full
position
available
for
the
mayor
to
nominate
that
doesn't
come
from
any
organization
at
all,
so
he
has
not
nominated
a
second
there's
a
second
mayoral
seat,
that
of
someone
who's
tied
to
a
neighborhood
association
who
has
served
on
a
neighborhood
association
for
a
year
and
that
has
not
been
submitted
to
the
no
names
have
been
submitted
to
the
council
for
consideration
there
as
well
as
he
could
also.
G
You
know,
anytime,
nominate
three
additional
alternate
seats,
his
own
at-large
seat,
which
has
no
restrictions
whatsoever
and
then
the
two
mayoral
nominees
that
represent
neighborhood
associations
as
well,
so
there's
technically
a
pool
of
one
more
full
member
and
then
three
more
alternates.
That
are,
you
know
totally.
You
know,
there's
no
one
even
suggested
yet.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
that's
helpful
to
know,
and
and
I'll
also
add
that
the
one
other
thing
that's
in
the
legislation
that
we
might
reflect
on,
I
know
it
was
brought
up
by
councillor.
Edwards
is
the
idea
of
having
a
renter
in
the
mix,
so
that
would
be
the
other.
Besides
the
two
areas
of
expertise,
I
think
that
would
be
the
other
thing.
That
kind
of
would
be
consistent
with
the
spirit
of
the
legislation.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I
know.
Councilor
mejia
had
asked
to
go
last
because
I
think
she's
traveling
and
not
you
know
as
sitting
in
one
place.
So
I'm
gonna
assume
that
she
meant
you
know
as
the
line
kept
getting
longer
too,
but
just
throw
a
blue
hand
up.
Counselor
mejia.
If
that's
not
true,
because
the
other
there
are
two
other
counselors,
counselor
edwards
and
then
counselor
savvy
george,
so
I'm
not
seeing
a
blue
hand
so
we'll
go
to
counselor,
edwards,
asabi
george
and
then
mejia.
J
J
But
if
we
were
to
push
back
and
say
that
there's
certain
standards
on
on
the
legislation
that
he
actually
helped
to
write
influence
and
push
on
that,
we
think
should
be
applied
right
now
to
the
pool
of
folks
he's
he's
picking
from
then
I
think
that
would
make
it
easier
for
us,
but
also
be
in
line
with
us,
pushing
and
the
the
zba
towards
a
diverse
cba,
one
with
multiple
skill
sets
and
multiple
perspectives.
J
So
I
do
think
it's
worth
us
vetting
them,
but
also
asking
the
mayor
of
the
pool.
Do
you
have
somebody
else
that
is
closer
to
the
the
home
world
that
he
just
signed
and
especially
around
the
renter
perspective?
I
know
that
was
a
big
deal.
J
That's
part
of
his
kind
of
at
large
picks
that
he
can
have,
and
then
also
in
general,
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
also
important
for
us
to
tell
greater
boston,
real
estate
board
and
also
the
bsa
of
the
folks
that
you're
going
to
be
proposing
going
forward.
Please
look
to
have
an
eye
towards
the
home
repetition,
folks
that
are
urban
planners
or
have
that
background
or
experience
folks
that
have
an
environmental
background,
those
those
things
as
well
in
terms
of
the
pool
that
they're
gonna
produce.
J
I
do
think
that
we
can
come
to
a
conclusion
on
this.
I
do
I
I
do
think
that
we
can
definitely
get
some
folks
through,
but
I
I
do
think
that
there's
a
you
know
as
frustrating
as
this
is
it's.
It's
also
frustrating,
because
this
is
the
way
the
system
is
set
up.
This
is
the
last
kind
of
voice
that
we
have
in
this
this
dynamic
when
it
comes
to
the
zba.
J
The
executive
order
is
helpful,
but
it
it
it
isn't
permanent,
and
you
know
until
this
home
rule
is
passed,
we're
still
kind
of
doing
the
best
to
influence
who's
on
the
zba
through
this
process-
and
let's
be
very
clear,
this
is
the
most
impo
influence
we're
going
to
have
right
now
until
that
home
rule
is
passed.
G
Great
thank
you
counselor,
edwards,
and
just
to
make
sure,
because
I
didn't
totally
reconcile
like
go
through
and
read
the
home
rule
again.
Is
it
just
the
two
extra
positions
with
those
expertise
and,
and
we
had
discussed
the
renter
or
there
are
other
pieces
that
you
that
the
home
will
had
in
terms
of
appointments.
J
So
it's
well
in
terms
of
appointments.
It's
the
two
additional
seats
right
of
the
urban
planner
perspective,
which
would
be
proposed
by
metropolitan
area
planning,
council
mapc
and
the
environmental
which
would
be
would
eventually
be
proposed
by
clf
conservation
law
foundation
of
the
mayor's
at-large
kind
of
picks.
We
ask
that
he
would,
and
he
agreed
to
pick
a
homeowner,
make
sure
he
had
that
perspective
and
pick
a
renter
and
make
sure
that
person
had
that
perspective
as
well.
J
J
Maybe
that's
asking
too
much
of
them
to
be
vetted
around.
Maybe
they
shouldn't
have
to
submit
all
that
stuff
if
they're
not
on
the
zba,
but
I
do
that
is
part
of
their
new
requirements.
They
have
to
give
out
their
financial
disclosures.
Current
members
have
not
yet
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
that
to
future
members.
Quite
that
may
not
be
fair,
but
definitely
want
to
put
that
on
there
as
well.
It's
about
the
conflicts
of
interest
and
look
back
so.
G
Great
okay,
thank
you,
council,
edwards
yeah.
So
my
quick
reaction
to
that
in
terms
of
what
could
be
an
immediate
way
forward
is
maybe
there's
not
the
you
know
until
the
homeworld
legislation
will
be
passed.
Maybe
there's
not
different
requirements
in
terms
of
disclosures.
Maybe
it's
not.
J
It's
it's
renter
and
a
homeowner
because
he
has
the
two
at
large
he's
got
two
community
group
kind
of
things.
So
that's
what's
in
the
legislation.
G
Okay,
I
would
I
would
double.
I
would
need
to
double
check
who
the
current
one
that
sits
in
those
seat,
whether
he
is
a
renter
or
a
homeowner.
I
don't
know.
G
E
Yeah
man
through
the
chair,
what
is
what
is
the
significance
like
what?
What
type
of
expertise
does
a
homeowner
and
a
and
a
renter,
bring
like
what
sort
of
expertise
are
we
looking
for
there
just
just
curious.
J
On
those
partic,
so
they're
not
statutory
seats
for
expertise
right
so,
let's
be
clear,
those
are
always
community
seats,
so
they
were
always
supposed
to
be
people
reflective
of
the
community
and
that's
what
the
mayor
does,
and
so
what
we
asked
of
the
mayor
instead
of
creating
a
whole
nother
seat,
which
I
think
you
are
correct,
would
have
required
an
expertise.
Explanation.
J
J
They
they
currently
do
not
have
to
they're.
Just
supposed
to
be.
Representatives
of
the
community
like
joe,
is
just
he's.
A
east
boston
guy
worked
really
hard
from
the
civic
civic
association.
That's
part
of
the
also
requirement
you
have
to
be
involved,
and
all
we're
saying
is
when
you
go
to
pick
that
person
and
mayor
agreed
to
this,
the
homeowner
they
come
to
the
neighborhood
organizations.
They
have
to
do
that.
J
G
On
that
point,
the
law
actually
says
that
I
think
they
have
to
have
been
involved
for
a
year
hold
on.
Let.
G
An
officer
okay,
so
an
officer
and
so
they've
captive
have
been
involved
as
an
officer
or
a
member
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
neighborhood
association
of
a
residential
neighborhood
association
for
at
least
one
year,
assuming
it's
a
group
with
more
than
25
members,
or
they
could
be
not
an
officer
but
part
of
an
elected
neighborhood
council
for
more
than
one
year.
G
Okay,
so
counselor
sabi
george.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
the
conversation
and
the
dialogue
so
far
do
we
have,
and
I
did
step
away
for
a
quick
moment.
Do
we
have
a
timeline
outlined
already?
I
know
you're
looking
to
bring
a
report
before
the
council
next
week.
But
what
is
the
timeline
for
this
process?.
G
Yeah,
I
would
love
to
find
a
way
to
confirm
nominees
that
match
these
areas
of
expertise
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
feel
very
much
the
same
pressures
that
several
counselors
have
referenced
about:
stopping
residential
projects
and
others
who
have
been
in
the
queue
and
working.
So
I'm
just
checking
quickly,
because
I
know
we're
on
a
limited
council
schedule
over
the
summer.
After
next
wednesday's
meeting,
we.
G
Yeah,
so
that
would
be
the
next
chance
to
go
through
a
batch
of
nominees.
K
K
Is
that
your
intention
yeah,
is
to
have
that
yeah.
G
If
there's
a
chance,
we
could
get
this
resolved
by
wednesday.
I
would
love,
for
you
know
a
quick
conversation
I
actually
had
reached
out
to
some
folks
earlier
today.
To
see.
Can
we
talk
to
the
bsa
and
greater
boston
real
estate
board?
Do
they
have
someone
who's,
a
climate
change?
You
know,
I'm
sure
architects
very
much
so
have
to
have
climate
change
backgrounds
these
days.
I
think
the
resume
of
this
particular
one
didn't
seem
to
reflect
that.
G
But
maybe
there
are
others
on
the
list
already
submitted
to
the
mayor
that
have
that
or
maybe
they
have
someone
else
who
would
be
willing
to
do
it?
I
mean
just
keeping
in
mind
these
are
jobs,
they
are
very
intensive,
and
so
you
know
it's
not
like.
People
are
jumping
all
over
themselves,
necessarily.
K
Right
right
and
that's
I
mean
part
of
my
concern
around
the
timeline
both
of
this
effort
and
sort
of
the
reaching
and
attaining
the
larger
goals,
the
sort
of
the
global
ideas
around
this
work,
but
also
realizing
that
there
are
limits
to
our
time
here.
Prior
to
you
know,
we've
got
wednesday
next
week
and
then
it's
a
month
until
our
our
next
meeting
so
is.
Is
it?
Is
it
your
hope
that
we'll
be
wrapped
up
for
sure
I
mean
yes,
it'd
be
wonderful
if
next
week
could
happen,
but
then
the
next
deadline
would
be
september.
K
G
Mean
I
would
do
everything
in
my
power
to
get
to
that
point.
I
have
no
interest
whatsoever
in
the
council
holding
this
up.
I
do
think
we
need
to
not
just
have
a
radically
different
outcome
than
the
one
we
just
voted
on
at
the
home
rule.
So
I
think
you
know
just
thinking
it
through
out
loud,
assuming
that
we
wouldn't
get
new
nominees
filed
for
wednesday's
meeting,
like
maybe
there's
a
chance
that
they
can
be
identified
and
late
filed
by
the
administration
to
be
officially.
G
You
know
to
be
ready
for
the
record
on
wednesday,
and
then
we
have
the
docket
in
place.
We
do
a
quick
hearing
and
then
we're
done
by
the
16th.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
we
could
still
call
a
meeting
of
the
committee
even
without
a
docket,
and
I
think
everyone
would
agree
that
this
would
be.
You
know,
in
line
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
have
a
quick
conversation
about
a
nominee.
Even
though
it's
you
know
not
the
docket
isn't
technically
before
us.
K
Okay,
all
right,
that's
you
know,
I
think
everyone
else
has
covered
some
of
these.
Some
of
the
questions
and
concerns
out
loud
already,
and
for
me,
the
remaining.
The
outstanding
item
is
the
timeline,
and
how
do
we
get
there
sort
of
quickly?
You
know
considering
the
restrictions
of
our
of
our
meeting
schedule.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
Thank
you
counselor
and
counselor
mejia.
A
Yes,
sorry
for
not
being
able
to
join
you,
I
was
listening,
but
I
didn't.
I
want
to
be
safe
in
terms
of
driving,
but
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
You
know
I
am
just
curious
about
whether
or
not
any
consideration
is
being
made
about
political
donations
that
people
have
made
board
nominees.
I
don't
know
if
those
things
get
looked
at
and
and
to
be
completely
honest
and
transparent.
A
I'm
walking
into
this
conversation.
You
know
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
this
topic
and
I
don't
want
to
derail
any
conversation,
that's
going
to
help
move
people
and
their
work
at
home
forward,
but
at
the
same
time
I
also
want
to
be
mindful
and
thoughtful
about
what
the
process
is,
so
that
people
feel
confident
that
we
are
doing
our
dual
diligence
and
making
sure
that
those
who
are
being
appointed.
A
So
aside
from
just
the
standard,
the
board
appointees
for
people
who
are
like
urban
planners
and
environmentalists
and
renters
and
other
categories,
I'm
just
curious-
are
they
just
regular
people
like
who
aren't
even
part
of
a
neighborhood
association
they're
like
this
regular
joe
schmoes
out
here,
who
aren't
having
conversations
like
we're
having
right
now,
but
are
being
impacted
about
these
conversations
every
day?
A
A
I
don't
know,
and
I'm
not
asking
you
all
to
answer
those
questions
today,
but
I'm
curious
just
in
general,
and
I
would
also
like
to
support
council
edwards
point
about
having
a
renter
and
a
homeowner
on
the
board
and
if
we
can
expand
that
it
specifically
having
someone
who
is
rent
burden
and
someone
who
is
a
first-time
generation
homeowner,
that
would
be
really
great.
A
Just
because
I
think
just
having
people
is
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
think
if
we
could
be
super
intentional
about
how
we're
defining
those
voices,
I
think,
can
really
help
us
in
the
long
run
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I
will
say
and
that
I'm
just
curious
about
accountability
and
is
there
a
system
where
every
so
often
we
get
to
hear
how
these
board
members?
A
You
know
whether
or
not
they
are
voting
in
ways
that
are
in
lined
with
with
people
like.
Is
there
a
mechanism
in
placing
I'm
the
newest
one?
I
have
everybody
in
the
bunch
here.
So
I'm
sure
you
probably
know
a
lot
more
than
me
and
I
want
to
be
really
respectful
of
the
wisdom
that
is
in
this
room.
But
those
are
just
some
things
that
instinctually
pop
up
for
me.
G
Thank
you,
counselor
mikia.
I
think
some
of
that
is
captured
in
the
homeworld
petition,
which
again
you
know
who
knows
what
the
timeline
could
be
to
implement
that.
But
I
you
know
counselor
edwards,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
the
financial
disclosures
is
intended
to
to
get
some
of
that
as
well
of
like
you
know.
What
are
they
tied
to?
What
interests
are
they
tied
to
et
cetera
and
then
I
think
in
terms
of
the
criteria
and
reporting
back
in
accountability?
J
Yeah,
the
financial
disclosures
would
would
be
helpful,
but
the
financial
disclosures
would
very
likely
be
happening
after
they're
on
the
board.
So
again,
I
I
think
it
now.
I
think
about
it.
I
mean
we
I
haven't
had
to.
I
didn't
have
to
submit
a
financial
disclosure
to
run
for
office
right.
J
I
got
here
and
then
subsequently
because
I'm
in
the
office-
and
I
have
certain
ethical
standards
that
we
all
get
trained
in
and
all
have
to
sign
up
for
we
submit
the
financial
disclosures
so
in
terms
of
the
but
addressing
counselor
mejia's
perspective
or
suggestions.
Those
those
can
actually
absolutely
happen.
J
It's
just
the
mayor
is
the
one
who's
going
to
be
picking
the
pool,
so
it
would
be
to
him
that
we
suggest
that
when
he's
thinking
of
a
renter
think
about
a
renter
who's
struggling
or
a
renter,
possibly
on
section
8
or
something
like
that
and
to
him,
we
would
suggest
if
you're
talking
about
a
homeowner
talk
about
or
could
you
please
consider,
first-time
homeowner
folks,
maybe
partner
with
maha
and
find
somebody
so
those
those
are
suggestions.
We
can
just
make
outright
to
him
that
he
can.
The
mayor
can
do.
A
Great,
I
have
one
more
question.
Sorry,
chairwoman
wu,
I'm
just
curious
whether
or
not
can
the
council
recommend
like
what
role
do
we
play
and
just
say
yes
or
no
to
the
people
that
have
been
in
front
of
recommended
to
us.
There's
no
role
for
us
correct.
G
And
I
think
that
I
mean
the.
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
flesh
out
in
this
process
is
that
our
role
is,
if
we
all
said,
or
if
you
know
a
majority,
said
we're
not
going
to
vote
yes
unless
they
have
a
climate
change
background
or
they're,
a
renter,
etc.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
way
the
system
is
set
up
right
now,
great
okay,
so
are
you
good
counselor
here
because
I
saw
counselor
arroyo
has
joined
as
well.
So
I
want
to
give
him
a
chance
to
weigh
in.
F
F
Thank
you,
so
I'm
sorry
to
be
joining
late.
I
had
my
days
been
scheduled
out,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
much
of
what
my
questions
were
have
been
asked,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
save
everybody's
time
by
by
not
re-asking
things,
but
just
so
I
can
get
a
sense
of
where
we're
at.
Are
we
waiting
on
it
just
for
me
to
understand
where
what
we're
holding
off
on
are
we
waiting
on
new
information?
That's
been
requested
or
not
even
new
information,
but
just
information
in
general.
F
That's
been
requested
in
terms
of
documents
or
testimony
or
anything
that
we
need.
Are
we
waiting
on
that
or
are
we
waiting
on,
and
I
recognize
that
councillor
edwards's
proposal,
which
I
support,
that
changes
the
zba
board
is
currently
a
home
rule
petition,
and
I
are
we
waiting
on
sort
of
having
the
zba
appointees
represent
more.
What
the
what's
intended
through
that
home
rule
petition
that
the
zba
look
like
moving
forward
or
are
we
waiting
on
both
things.
G
So
I
will
answer
this
one
I
see
ken
I
see.
Counselor
bach
has
a
blue
hand.
I
know
she
had
a
commitment
at
5
30,
so
I
think
we'll
have
time
to
hopefully
get
her
in
before
then.
I
would
say
the
latter
in
my
mind,
as
committee
chair,
it
was
kind
of
two
tracks
right
there's
been
some
issues
that
have
come
up
with
the
zba.
G
Can
we
clear
the
cloud
and
just
restore
trust
in
the
agency
either
by
providing
answers,
which
you
know,
I
feel
like
I've
gotten
the
same
answers
over
and
over
again
that
you
know,
for
me,
don't
feel
like
they're,
actually
answering
the
underlying
questions,
but
not
letting
that
get
us
stuck,
because
we
are
still
seeing
homeowners
and
and
others
who
have
gone
through
the
process
needing
a
resolution
to
this.
F
G
I
have
sent
the
letters,
and
I
know
the
commissioner
commissioner
irish
is
on
here
too.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
The
commissioner
has
sent
a
reply
letter
which
I'd
also
forwarded
to
everyone.
G
You
know
I'm
happy
to
go
through
and
detail
the
ways
in
which
I
don't
think
it
directly
addresses
the
underlying
questions
asked,
but
I've
received
that
set
of
answers
a
few
different
times
now,
so
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
worth
it
in
terms
of
the
hold
up
to
residents
etc,
to
keep
just
hammering
that
without
trying
to
find
a
solution
and
a
workable
way
forward,.
F
Okay,
and
so-
and
this
is
my
final
question-
because
I
know
kenzie
has
a
time
restraint
in
terms
of
the
nominees
and
our
role
in
vetting
them
and
having
kind
of
a
a
firm
or
or
you
know,
not
a
firm.
They
were
all
recommended
for
these
positions
or
or
appointed
or
not
so
much
appointed,
but
put
forward
as
potential
appointees
prior
to
the
passage
of
the
zba
reforms.
G
Yep,
so
the
timeline
is-
and
I
guess
just
to
clarify
the
answer
to
the
last
question,
just
like
very
clearly
again-
I'm
not
giving
up
on
trying
to
find
the
answers.
But
the
response.
I've
gotten
from
the
administration
again
and
again
again-
is
that
there
is
a
federal
investigation,
still
ongoing,
so
they're
going
to
defer
to
getting
answers
that
way.
So
that
aside,
the
timeline
was
that
the
federal
investigation
began
the
news
of
it
broke
and
then
there
were
resignations
which
opened
up
vacancies
on
the
board
and
then
new
nominees
were
submitted.
G
And
then
there
was
a
period
of
months
before
the
reports
came
out
of
results
of
investigations
about
what
happened
and
since
that
happened,
ben
covid
and
the
homeworld
petition.
I
Hi,
madam
chair,
I
I
just
wanted
to
know,
because
I
looked
it
up
that
after
the
today's.
What's
today's
date,
like
today's
the
13th
right
so
between
between
now
and
the
next
council
meeting
right,
which
I
think
is
like
september
14th
or
something
it,
it
happens
that
there
is
only
one
zba
meeting,
because
the
zba
actually
also
takes
a
little
like
break
in
late
august
early
september.
So,
whereas,
like
in
july,
there
was
a
zba
meeting
every
week.
I
I
The
legislation
we
passed
and
for
us
to
expeditiously
take
up
the
nominations,
and
I
personally
feel
comfortable
with
the
idea
that,
if
we
were,
if
we
were
approving
new
nominees
by
the
like
middle
of
september,
and
only
one
more
zba
meeting
had
happened
between
now
and
then
like
that,
doesn't
feel
to
me
like
undue
delay
caused
by
the
council.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
from
a
kind
of
scheduling
perspective.
G
It's
really
helpful
to
have
those
meeting
dates
lined
up.
Thank
you,
okay.
I
don't
see
any
other
blue
hands
so
asking
for
anyone
else.
If
you
want
to
jump
in
at
this
point,
nope.
G
E
G
Yeah
yeah
everyone
has
my
word
as
chair
that
I
will
do
whatever
is
in
within
my
power
to
stick
to
that
timeline.
Okay,
so
no
other
comments
from
counselors.
I
want
to
give
commissioner
irish
the
chance
to
weigh
in
or
say
anything.
I
know
you've
been
at
all
of
these
sessions
and
have
heard
my
questions
over
and
over
again
have
been
incredibly
patient
and
responsive
in
terms
of
of
getting
me
a
response.
So
is
there
anything
else?
You
would
like
to
add,
commissioner,.
G
H
Thank
you
actually,
there's
nothing
that
I'd
like
to
add.
I
was
just
listening
in
as
I'm
running
errands.
G
Great
okay,
well,
that
feels
good
in
terms
of
having
a
somewhat
defined
path
forward,
so
just
to
summarize
at
the
next
council
meeting
so
filing
in
time
for
tomorrow,
I
will
try
to
get
all
of
this
down
on
paper
so
that
we
have
clear
written
sense
of
where
we're
headed
and
then
the
general
goal
will
be
to
work
with
the
bsa,
the
boston
society
of
architects,
the
greater
boston
real
estate
board,
the
mayor's
office
to
ensure
that
there
are
a
set
of
nominees
within
the
next
month
that
can
be
approved
either
from
the
two
seats
on
the
table
or
adding
in
the
one
that
is
still
out
there
to
reflect
both
of
these
types
of
expertise,
as
well
as
the
renter
provision.
A
Yes,
counselor
wu,
I'm
just
curious,
and
I'm
sure
this
probably
was
already
discussed,
but
through
this
in
terms
of
just
racial
diversity
and
small
businesses
is,
is
there
a
factor
that
is
in
the
home
petition
and
I'm
sure
equity,
blah
blah
blah
somewhere?
There's
something
some
standard
around
that
as
well
so
social
economic
status
and
like
all
of
these
things
being
considered
about
who's
representing
in
these
spaces,.
J
Not
as
requirement
within
the
homeworld
petition,
we
had
asked
initially
for
a
civil
rights
position,
someone
who
could
understand
zoning
law,
a
zoning
attorney.
We
had
asked
for
folks
who
were
versed
in
the
equity
zoning
space
and
that
we
could
not
agree
on
those
seats
with
the
administration.
J
So
the
compromise
was
these
two
seats,
environmentalist
urban
planner
and
having
those
two
seats
go
forward,
but
those
questions
that
you're
asking
counselor
mejia
at
any
point
in
time.
While
we
are
vetting
any
potential
member,
we
can
ask
about
their
experience
their
perspective,
how
they
look
at
things
period.
A
G
Yeah
yeah,
so
usually
the
administration
would
file
it
at
a
council
meeting
and
then
once
we
have
the
docket,
there
would
be
a
hearing
where
the
nominees
are
invited
to
join.
We
ask
them
questions.
They
send
us
their
resume
ahead
of
time
as
well,
and
then
we
take
take
a
vote
after
that.