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Description
Docket #0775
Ordinance Amending City of Boston Code, Ordinances, Chapter VII, Sections 7-2.1 and 7-2.2, Building Energy Reporting and Disclosure (BERDO)
B
A
We're
literally
giving
it
one
more
minute
till
1205.
Before
we
start
and
then
I
will
do
intros
opening
and
then
shift
the
direction
over
to
council
o'malley
the
lead
sponsor
and
allison
and
yourself,
and
we
will
we'll
guide
through
that
conversation
and
questions
through
the
through
counselors
and
whatnot.
A
A
All
right
folks,
it's
that
time
so
good
afternoon,
everyone,
I'm
city,
councilor,
lydia,
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
It
is
monday
august
23,
2021
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
working
session
on
docket,
0775,
ordinance,
amending
city
of
boston
code,
ordinances,
chapter
7,
section,
7-2.1
and
7-2.2
building,
energy
reporting
and
disclosure.
A
The
committee
held
a
hearing
on
the
committee
held
a
hearing
on
july
22nd
2021
today
we're
having
a
working
session
in
accordance
with
chapter
20
of
acts
of
2021
we've
modif
that
have
modified
a
requirements
of
the
opening
meeting
law.
We
are
conducting
this
working
session
via
zoom.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
our
responsibilities
while
adhering
to
the
public
safety
needs
of
the
moment.
A
The
public
may
watch
this
working
session
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
dash
tv
and
on
xfinity
8,
rcn,
82
and
verizon
964..
It
will
be
rebroadcasted
at
a
later
date.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
A
This
proposal
sets
admissions
targets,
performance
standards
and
reporting
requirements
for
buildings
greater
than
or
equal
to
twenty
thousand
square
feet
establishes
the
admissions
review
board,
with
public
input,
to
increase
accountability
and
transport
transparency
and
establishes
an
environmental
justice
buildings
emissions
investment
fund.
At
the
hearing,
the
committee
heard
testimony
from
the
administration
panels
of
advocates
members
of
the
green
ribbon
commission
and
comments
from
pup
from
the
public
docket
zero.
Seven.
Seven
five
is
designed
to
achieve
equity
by
developing
workforce
opportunities
and
establishing
the
emissions
reduction
equitable
invested
fund.
A
The
fund
is
designed
to
improve
public
health
and
affordable
housing
opportunities
by
prioritizing
environmental
justice
and
populations
and
communities
and
housing.
Stabilization
building
owners
have
flexibility
with
how
targets
are
met
with
which
which
include
portfolio
options,
individual
compliance
schedule
and
hardship
compliance
plan.
Again.
This
is
a
working
session,
so
the
committee
will
review
the
specific
language
of
the
daca
joining
us
today
from
the
administration
are
chief
mariama
whitehammon
he's
the
chief
of
environment,
energy
and
open
space.
A
Commissioner
allison
brezius,
who
is
the
part
of
the
environmental
department
I
think
for
now
those
are
who
we
have
for
the
administration.
We
might
be
joined
by
sheila,
dylan,
chief
of
housing
and
we
might
be
joined
by
rich
mcguinness,
who's,
the
deputy
director
for
climate
change
and
environmental
planning
at
the
bpda.
A
I
wanted
to
know
because
this
is
a
working
session
today.
We
will
not
have
public
comment
during
this
conversation.
It
is
being
recorded
for
public
consumption.
There
will,
however,
be
public
comment
on
thursday
august
26th
at
5,
30
pm
through
the
with
the
chief
chief
mariama
and
councillor
o'malley,
will
be
having
yes,
okay,
sorry,
I
know
I
was
looking
we'll
be
hosting
a
a
listening
session
specifically
for
this,
which
allows
for
the
public
to
give
all
comments,
concerns
and
suggestions
again
on
the
language
or
the
concept.
A
There
is
no,
but
it
will
be
centered
and
the
public
having
a
voice.
So
I've
also
been
joined
today
by
my
colleagues
in
order
of
arrival.
We
of
course
have
the
lead
sponsor
council
o'malley.
We
have
councilor
bach,
we
have
council
arroyo,
councillor,
braden,
councillor,
mejia
and,
of
course,
myself,
counselor
edwards
who's
chairing
this
up
I
see
counselor
flaherty
has
just
raised
his
hand.
Counselor
flaherty
at
large
is
also
here.
Have
I
missed
anybody
in
the
middle
of
my
opening
remarks
here.
D
A
Flaherty
with
that,
I
would
turn
it
over
council
o'malley
and
to
the
colleagues
who
are
here
to
maybe
say
something
very
brief
and
their
support
or
whatever,
and
then,
of
course,
the
way
this
will
go.
Folks
is
after
we,
as
councillors
kind
of
present
ourselves.
Counselor
flynn
has
also
joined
us.
My
apologies
councillor
flynn.
We
will
also
then
turn
it
over
to
council,
o'malley
and
allison
breezy
brezia's.
Commissioner
bresius
excuse
me
and
chief
mariama
whitehaven,
okay,
so
to
my
colleagues,
councillor
o'malley,
of
course,.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
incredible
partnership
and
leadership
on
this
space.
As
mentioned
this
was
introduced
back
in
june.
In
july
we
had
an
incredible
hearing.
I
think
it
was
clear
close
to
four
hours
long
in
that
time.
I'd
like
to
note
that
allison
brazius
has
been
named,
commissioner
of
the
environment
department,
and
we
are
so
grateful
for
that
for
her
continued
partnership
and
leadership.
This
is
incredibly
important
to
me.
E
This
is
the
culmination
of
a
project
that
began
eight
years
ago
when
we
passed
birdo
when
this
council,
a
very
different
council,
passed
birdo
1.0,
along
with
mayor
menino.
As
my
time
on
the
council
comes
to
an
end
in
a
couple
months.
It's
really
important
that
we
add
these
amendments
and
change,
energy
and
disclosure
to
emissions
reduction,
and
that's
precisely
what
we're
going
to
do.
This
is
one
of
the
most
aggressive
but
achievable
decarbonization
ordinances
that's
been
proposed,
and
it's
something
that
we
are
really
excited
about.
E
E
We
have
a
really,
as
I
said,
an
aggressive
but
achievable
plan,
and
this
is
the
work
that
commissioner
brezius
chief
white,
hammond
myself
and
so
many
advocates
who
have
been
working
so
hard
for
years
to
craft
this
and
to
craft.
This
well,
there's,
obviously
an
incredible
amount
of
interest.
We've
had
90
comment
letters
over
the
last
several
weeks.
I
would
categorize
70
of
them
as
being
incredibly
supportive.
E
The
other
20,
I
would
say
very
supportive,
but
did
bring
up
some
some
thoughts
or
ideas
or
suggestions
which
we
will
incorporate
through
this
working
session,
flush
them
out
a
little
bit
more.
So
this
is
really
exciting
and
again,
the
ipcc
report,
which
was
terrifying
to
all
of
us,
shows
that
we
need
to
take
action.
We
do
not
have
any
time
to
waste.
This
will
be
incredibly
impactful
and
for
coastal
civic
city
like
boston.
B
Counselor
bach,
thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
indulgence
at
this
traffic.
In
the
background
I
am
coming
from
kenmore
square.
I
really
want
to
echo
council
o'malley's
thanks
to.
F
B
Government
operations
is
so
key
to
moving
important
things
like
this
through
and
I
know
you're
really
dedicated
to
it.
With
this
ordinance
and
and
then
I
want
to
thank
our
president,
councillor
o'malley
for
his
for
his
decade
of
leadership
in
this
area,
but
especially
for
really
underscoring
the
urgency
of
getting
this
done
this
session.
I'm
strongly
in
support,
I
think
the
adjectives
that
president
o'malley
used,
you
know
aggressive
and
achievable
need
to
be
the
name
of
the
game.
B
I
think
that
the
city
a
few
years
back,
started
to
get
into
the
mode
of
setting
good
like
aggressive
targets,
for
where
we
all
know
we
need
to
be
when
it
comes
to
climate
change
goals,
but
we
didn't.
We
have
not
yet
followed
those
up
adequately
with
the
steps
that
are
actually
going
to
get
us
there
and
doing
what
we're
doing
or
even
doing
what
we're
doing
in
like
a
tiny
bit.
B
Better
is
just
not
going
to
get
there
from
here,
and
so
you
know
coming
to
you
from
kenmore
square
in
my
district
there's
a
historic
building
behind
me.
I'm
very
aware
that
we're
going
to
need
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
is
sensitive
to
the
complexity
of
all
of
boston's
building
stock,
and
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
provisions
in
the
draft
that
we
have
before
us
that
consider
that
and
think
about
that.
B
But
I
think
that
complexity
is
not
a
reason
for
us
not
to
get
this
done,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
very
simple.
We
have
to
curb
our
carbon
emissions
and
our
buildings
as
the
presence
that
are
enormous
part
of
that
puzzle.
So
really
proud
to
be
here,
proud
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
a
partner
with
all
of
you,
and
I
I'm
in
kenmore
square,
because
a
district
ceremony
from
yesterday
got
rescheduled
to
today
because
of
the
hurricane.
B
So
there
is
a
brief
part
of
this
that
I
will
miss,
but
my
policy
director,
emily
brown,
will
be
on
throughout
taking
notes
and
I'll
be
on
for
almost
all
of
it.
So
thanks
again,
madam
chair,
so
much
and
counselor
o'malley.
E
Madam
chair,
I'm
sorry
it's
matt.
There
seems
to
be
an
issue
with
the
live
stream.
I've
gotten
a
number
of
texts,
so
I
don't
know
if
maybe
kerry
could
or
candace
could
sort
of
help
us
with
that.
A
G
A
Okay,
well,
I'm
sure
that
the
public
is
dying
to
hear
all
of
our
opening
remarks.
But
if,
if
there's,
if
this
is
what's
missed,
I
think
they'll
be
okay
with
it.
So
counselor
arroyo.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
just
going
to
say
thank
you
to
the
maker
and
those
who
have
really
put
in
the
work
to
get
us
where
we
are
obviously
with
the
un's
climate
crisis
report
that
was
very
sobering.
The
work
we
need
to
do
to
get
where
we
need
to
get
is
pretty
daunting,
and
this
is,
I
think,
a
start
in
the
direction
of
getting
us
into
a
place
where
we
can
have
a
sustainable
actual
climate
that
our
future
generations
can
enjoy
right
now.
G
Obviously,
where
we're
in
a
pretty
dangerous
area
when
it
comes
to
that,
and
so
I'm
I'm
very
excited
that
this
is
moving
forward.
I
look
forward
to
working
on
this
with
the
rest
of
you
in
partnership
and
if
anybody
missed
it
on
the
live
stream,
I'm
apologizing,
because
I'm
sure
that
was
very
eloquent
and
worth
tuning
in
for
thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
also
want
to
echo
my
thanks
to
councillor
o'malley
for
his
incredible
leadership
on
this
issue.
For
so
long
I
I
won't
labor
the
point.
I
think
the
the
un
climate
report
two
weeks
ago
really
highlighted
the
urgency
of
this
situation.
H
I
feel
that
it's
like
we're
two
minutes
off
midnight
and
we
need
to
really
get
going
aggressively
tackle
our
carbon
emissions
and
do
everything
we
can
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
climate
change.
So
I
think
this
is
very
necessary
and
I
look
forward
to
the
working
session
this
morning
this
afternoon.
Actually,
thank
you.
G
Just
just
to
update
you
we're
back
up
and
running
on
the
web.
Sorry
about
the
inconvenience.
A
No
not
at
all.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
honestly
carry
for
your
incredible
work
and
helping
us
to
continue
to
to
do
our
jobs
honestly
carries.
I
don't
think
anybody
any
of
our
of
my
colleagues
would
ever
deny
how
hard
central
staff
has
worked
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
serve
the
public
efficiently.
D
Good
morning
or
good
afternoon,
at
this
point,
thank
you
to
the
chair
and
thank
you
to
counselor
o'malley
for
answering
this
incredible
important.
Ordinance.
Building
in
boston
contributes,
as
we
know,
to
nearly
three
quarters
of
all
greenhouse
gas
emissions
here
in
the
city
between
rising
temperatures
and
sea
levels,
we're
at
a
crucial
moment
when
it
comes
to
climate
change
here
in
our
city,
and
we
cannot
wait
any
longer
to
do
something
about
it.
D
We
must
reduce
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
to
meet
boston,
go
boston's
goal
to
be
net
zero
carbon
by
2050,
and
we
can't
do
this
without
targeting
the
biggest
greenhouse
gas
emitters.
An
updated
birdo
creates
multiple
pathways
for
building
owners
for
building
owners
to
meet
the
performance
standards,
including
on-site
energy
efficiency,
improvements,
purchasing
clean
energy
and
alternative
compliance
payments.
We
are
particularly
encouraged
by
the
review
review
board
component
and
hope
to
see
advocates
sit
on
that
board
who
have
the
best
interest
of
our
community
at
heart.
D
We
can't
just
rely
on
the
same
usual
suspects
to
be
advocating
for
the
same
people
who
have
been
contributing
to
all
the
pollution
this
whole
entire
time.
So
what
this
means?
When
this
is
what
it
means,
when
we
say
that
nothing
about
us
without
us
is
for
us,
we
are
proud
to
have
signed
on
to
this
ordinance
and
look
forward
to
seeing
it
fast
very
soon.
D
And
I
know,
under
your
leadership
council
edwards
you're
gonna
make
that
happen,
because
that's
what
you
do
and
thank
you
again
to
to
the
sponsor,
as
well
as
the
sierra
club,
for
your
ongoing
advocacy.
Looking
forward
to
the
conversation.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
flaherty.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
hosting,
and
just
want
to
thank
the
the
lead
sponsor
for
his
years
of
advocacy
on
this.
I've
had
a
front
row
seat.
Obviously,
berto
won
in
berto
two,
and
we
would
not
be
here
without
his
commitment
and
obviously
in
partnership
with
mothers
out
front
and
environmental
league
of
mass,
and
so
many
other
organizations
and
groups
and
to
knock
on
boston
to
date,
has
been
I've
referenced
in
the
previous
hearing,
sort
of
all
sizzle,
no
steak
and
lots
of
studies.
And
let's
look
at
this.
F
Let's
look
at
that.
So
there's
an
opportunity
through
birdo
too,
to
really
move
the
dial
on
it,
as
well
as
with
these
very
precious
infrastructure
funds
that
we'll
be
heading
our
way
along
with
a
covered
relief
fund.
So
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity,
unique
opportunity
and
we're
well
positioned
to
take
advantage
of
that
to
really
make
a
difference
and
move
the
dial
on
on
on
our
greenhouse
emissions
and
putting
boss
at
the
forefront
of
being
truly
environmentally
sound.
B
Thanks
so
much
madam
chair,
I
know
I
wasn't
on
the
live
stream
before,
but
I
won't
repeat
all
my
remarks
just
say.
I
strongly
support
this,
I'm
grateful
to
the
counselor
o'malley
and
you
for
his
leadership.
I
think
that
there
are
plenty
of
ways
for
us
to
be
considerate
of
the
complexities
for
much
of
our
building
stock
and
still
say
we
must
get
this
done.
We
have
to
get
it
done,
there's
no
way
to
get
there
from
here
on
carbon
emissions
in
the
city
without
this
ordinance.
So
thank
you
thanks
for
letting
me
go
again.
A
Thank
you
and
I'll
just
say
this.
I
am
beyond
excited
about
this
combination,
an
ordinance
that
looks
at
racial
justice,
environmental
justice
and
also
acknowledges
that
the
fact
that
we
are
building
a
great
deal
in
the
city
of
boston.
I
know
some
people
will
characterize
this
as
anti-development.
Hardly
it's
pro-community!
It's
pro-jobs!
A
It's
pro-making
sure
that
we
come
with
a
sustainable
way
in
which
we
can
build
our
city
and
also
make
sure
that
we
aren't
putting
the
lives
or
the
the
day-to-day
lives
and
the
ability
for
people
to
literally
breathe
in
the
city
on
on
online.
A
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
ultimately,
you
know
when,
as
we
develop,
we're
developing
in
the
most
responsible
and
sustainable
way-
and
this
is
so
exciting
to
have
that
conversation-
I
just
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
investment
fund
too.
I
see
environmental,
just
communities
having
racial
as
well
as
environmental,
as
well
as
class
issues
all
combined
together,
and
this
is
attacking
all
three
of
those
making
sure
that
there
are
good
jobs
that
pay
well,
but
also
making
sure
that
what
we
build
is
something
that
is
healthy
for
the
community.
So
thank
you.
A
So
much
for
that
leadership,
I
look
forward
to
also
I'm
just
acknowledging.
I
just
want
to
also
acknowledge
as
the
district
city
councilor
for
district
one,
I
have,
I
believe,
the
most
coast
line
of
any
district.
I
know
councillor
flynn
and
I
are
going
to
pull
out
a
ruler
one
day
and
confirm
that,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
between
east
boston
charleston
on
the
north
end,
climate
change
is
real
for
my
district.
A
I
am
now
in
a
flood
zone
and
I
live
very
far
away
from
the
coast
in
east
boston,
but
it
continues
to
grow
what
could
be
flooding
and
what
could
be
impacted
by
a
climate
change,
and
so
I
just
am
so
excited
about
changing
how
we
build
and
making
sure
that
good
jobs
come
as
a
result
of
that.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
leadership.
Council
o'malley.
I
look
forward.
I'm
now
going
to
turn
it
back
over
to
council,
o'malley
and
commissioner
brezius
to
guide
us
through
this
ordinance.
A
E
Thank
you
count
sirens,
and
can
we
just
get
a
check
with
kerry
because
I'm
still
getting
a
couple
of
a
text
from
folks
so
before
we
get
into
it?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
up
and
running.
A
A
A
And
I
did
I
I
apologize.
I
forgot
counselor
flynn
in
opening
remarks
so
when
we
get
back
online
and
get
this
sorted
out,
I'd
like
counselor
flynn
to
speak
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over.
E
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
everyone's
time,
so
I'm
going
to
tweet
out
the
link
to
the
youtube
channel
right
now
and
perhaps
folks
want
to
retweet
it
or
do
the
same
just
so.
I
guess
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
to
get
forward
seems
to
be.
Thank
you.
A
So
folks
can
watch
on
that
channel,
but
we
are
being
recorded
and
it
is
being
broadcast
on
that
channel
that
we
just
retweeted
and
should
retweet
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
now
and
turn
it
over
to
counselor
flynn.
I
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
council
edwards,
for
your
strong
leadership
on
this
issue
and
thank
you
to
council
president
o'malley
as
well,
for
never
giving
up
on
environmental
justice
related
issues
and
really
being
a
champion
on
a
city
council
for
environmental
justice.
I
I
Climate
change
is
a
is
a
major
threat.
It's
an
issue
that
is
especially
impacting
my
district
and
council
edwards
district
as
well.
I
represent
part
of
the
wars
district
along
with
council
edwards,
the
south
boston,
waterfront,
the
fort
point,
south
boston,
the
south
end
and
the
back
bay,
but
we
also
saw
the
effects
of
sea
level
rise
during
the
storms
in
january
and
march
of
2018,
with
a
flood
shut
down,
sections
of
the
neighborhood
and
dumpsters
were
literally
floating
down
the
street.
I
I
spent
this
weekend
on
the
phone
several
times
with
chief
chief
osgood
about
what
what
our
response
is
during
this
storm.
As
I
mentioned,
I
represent
chinatown
neighborhood,
that
is
impacted
by
vehicle
pollution.
It
is
an
area
where
most
disproportionately
affected
in
our
city
and
state
in
terms
of
air
pollution
from
traffic.
According
to
the
union
of
concerned
scientists,
it
is
neighborhood
next
to
the
mass
pike.
93
salt
station
train
salt
station
bus,
along
with
the
leather
district,
neighborhood
emissions
and
fumes
from
traffic,
have
been
negatively
affecting
residents
in
this
area.
I
For
many
years,
air
pollution
can
trigger
asthma
and
other
breathing
related
issues,
so
making
sure
that
we
protect
our
environment
in
lower
emissions
is
an
important
issue
for
me.
Additionally,
it
also
impacts
roxbury.
It
also
impacts
the
south
and
it
also
impacts
south
boston
and
dorchester
neighborhoods.
I
That
live
live
almost
on
top
of
the
highway
system
as
well,
but
I
hope
that
we
can
all
keep
our
eye
on
the
big
picture
of
dealing
with
the
threat
of
climate
change.
Sea
double
rise,
environmental
justice
for
our
children's
future,
as
we
work
together
to
pass
an
ordinance
that
is
strong
yet
reasonable
to
implement
in
consideration
of
everyone's
needs.
I'm
here
to
listen
to
learn.
I
want
to
give
a
special
shout
out
to
our
activists
as
well
mothers
out
front
and
their
dedicated
work.
I
I
got
to
know
them
through
counselor
o'malley
and
they
do
a
tremendous
job
in
the
city
of
boston.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
to
our
colleagues
and
government
and
the
administration
officials
that
are
here
for
your
important
work
as
well.
Thank
you,
council,
edwards
and
thank
you,
council,
o'malley.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
colleagues
for
your
kind
words,
two
kind
words
and
and
partnership
on
this.
So
I
was
saying
someone
this
morning.
You
know
the
easiest
thing
in
the
world
would
be.
We
could
pass
a
a
two
sentence:
ordinance
saying
that
every
large
building
needs
to
lower
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2050,
we'd,
probably
pass
it.
It
would
be
signed
into
law,
but
it
wouldn't
be
fair
because
it
wouldn't
be
the
right
road
map.
So
what
we
have
before
us
is
a
20
plus
page
document.
E
What
we're
going
to
do
now
is
have
commissioner
brezius
chief
whiteham
and
sort
of
go
through
it.
We're
going
to
go
section
by
section
it's
dense,
but
I
think
again.
E
The
reason
why
we're
doing
public
testimony
in
a
couple
days
is
because
we
want
to
focus
just
on
the
language
of
this
and
then,
of
course,
there'd
be
opportunity
for
for
counselors
questions
or
sort
of
some
reflections,
but
in
addition
to
breaking
down
the
ordinance
sort
of
section
by
section
we're
also
because
of
the
great
work
of
of
commissioner
bresius
and
her
team
we're
going
to
incorporate
some
of
the
suggestions.
E
As
well
as
some
of
the
communications
that
we've
received
thus
far,
as
has
been
mentioned,
we've
received
well
over
90
different
individuals
have
weighed
in
so
we
want
to
be
as
ecumenical
as
our
approach,
so
commish
chief,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
just
sort
of
kick
things
off
now
or
if
any
opening
remarks
please
feel
free.
The
floor
is
yours.
C
Thank
you,
council
o'malley,
and
I
do
want
to
reiterate
both
gratitude
for
council
o'malley
and
his
longtime
leadership
on
this
issue
and
extensive
work
on
this
particular
ordinance,
also
to
council
edwards
for
leading
us
in
the
session
and
and
sort
of
guiding
this
process
of
talking
through
these.
These
different
issues,
as
we
think
about
how
to
move
forward
and
to
all
the
counselors
who've
made
the
time
to
be
here
during
this
busy
season.
C
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
the
big
picture
reality
is
that
the
way
this
ordinance
has
come
together
with
the
administration
and
the
council
working
together
is
actually
how
we
hope
this
ordinance
will
move
forward
in
the
city.
We're
going
to
talk
through
some
of
the
specific
comments
that
people
have
raised.
But
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
goal
of
this
ordinance
is
not
to
be
punitive
but
to
create
a
clear
pathway
and
to
give
people
some
clarity
about
what
accountability
measures
will
be
when
they'll
be
enforced.
C
What
possibilities
there
are
and
and
hopefully
also
to
create
an
opportunity
for
folks
across
different
building
types
and
within
sectors
to
begin
to
collaboratively
work
together
to
reduce
our
emissions.
We
think
those
big
picture
goals,
as
as
council
o'malley,
said
they're
good,
but
they
don't
get
us
there.
So
I
just
want
to
note
that,
because
I
think
at
times
it's
felt
as
though
folks
understanding
is
that
our
intention
is
to
be
punitive,
and
I
want
to
clarify
our
desire
is
not
to
just
find
folks
and
and
be
punitive.
C
Our
desire
is
to
create
a
pathway
for
us
to
start
moving
from
intention
to
action,
and
I
think
it's
it's
worth
noting
that
so
we're
going
to
go
into
the
details
and
we're
doing
that,
because
we've
received
a
lot
of
feedback,
some
of
it
really
helpful
and
and
you'll
notice,
some
places
where
we've
made
some
shifts,
but
a
lot
of
feedback.
That
also
maybe
reflects
places
where
there's
not
clear
understanding,
and
so
we
just
want
to
stop
and
take
a
moment
to
drill
down,
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
C
So
really
thankful
to
be
here
know
that
lots
of
folks
are
watching
and
look
forward
to
after
this
continuing
a
collaborative
process
to
move
through
the
regulations
and
then
the
actual
enforcement
of
the
ordinance.
So
with
that
I'll
I'll
pass
it
over
to
commissioner
bresius
to
get
us
started
as
we
sort
of
dig
into
the
details
piece
by
piece.
J
Thank
you
chief,
thank
you,
councillor,
o'malley
councilor,
edwards
counselors,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
you
who
have
submitted
comments,
questions
and
suggestions.
Today,
your
feedback
really
has
been
critical
in
informing
our
discussion
today.
I'd
also
like
to
take
a
quick
moment
to
thank
the
incredible
team
in
the
environment
department
who
have
been
working
hard
on
this
for
the
last
18
plus
months
and,
more
recently,
very
quickly
to
try
and
synthesize
all
of
the
comments
that
we
have
received.
J
As
councilor
o'malley
said,
we're
going
to
walk
through
each
section
briefly
and
then
pause
for
questions,
discussions
potential
amendments.
Can
everyone
see
the
proposed
ordinance
on
the
screen?
J
Great
so
starting
in
section
a
hopefully
the
clearest
of
the
sections?
This
is
describes
the
purpose
of
the
ordinance
and
the
purpose
here
is
to
reduce
emissions
from
air
pollutants,
including
greenhouse
gases
from
building
energy
production
and
consumption.
This
would
support
as
councilor
edwards
mentioned
and
others.
The
efficient
efficient
resource
use
the
green
economy,
public
health
and
equitable
access
to
housing.
J
To
do
so,
the
ordinance
would
require
reporting
and
disclosure
of
annual
energy
and
water
use
in
all
covered
buildings
and
compliance
with
emissions
requirements
set
forth
later
in
the
text,
I'm
going
to
jump
onto
section
b
unless
anyone
has
any
additional
elements
that
they'd
like
to
jump
in
on
on
the
purpose.
Here,
second,
is
the
definitions,
so
in
this
section
we
set
forth
the
terms
used
in
the
proposed
ordinance,
including
a
definition
of
environmental
justice
populations
that
was
beat
that
has
been
based
on
the
definition
recently
adopted
at
the
state
level
in
senate
bill
9..
J
So
we
have
received
a
number
of
suggestions
and
comments
here,
adding
minor
clarifications
to
definitions
and
also
the
proposal
for
some
new
definitions.
We
think
that
these
are
good
suggestions.
Some
of
the
additions
include
a
request
to
sorry.
I
got
a.
I
got
a
message
that
people
can't
see
the
screen.
Updating.
Can
people
see
the
screen,
updating.
J
Couldn't
see
that
the
screen
was
moving
down,
but
you
can
see
it
okay,
so
hopefully
it
will
catch
up.
So
here
in
the
discussion
here
in
the
definitions,
we
had
a
request
to
add
a
definition
of
the
alternative
compliance
payments.
This
seems
reasonable
and
we're
happy
to
propose
a
definition
to
counsel
if
you're
amenable
yeah.
A
Commissioner,
yes
sorry
to
interrupt,
commissioner,
in
as
much
for
for
total
transparency,
if
you
could
say
who-
or
if
there
was
an
organization
who
made
that
suggestion,
are
transparency
and
also
credit
for
folks
who
are
helping
us
to
build
this
really
good
legislation.
A
I
I
think
it's
great
and
then
and
then
I
do
have
comments
from
I'm
sure
you
happen
to
from
a
better
city
on
their
suggestion.
Okay,
so
you're
going
to
go
through
those
sure.
J
I
will
do
my
best
to
add
appropriate
credit
here.
We
also
have
all
of
the
comment,
letters
that
are
very
happy
to
make
public
after
so,
yes,
I
was
referring
to
a
comment
and
a
suggestion
received
from
a
better
city
to
include
a
definition
of
an
eternal,
an
alternative
compliance
payment,
as
it
is
referenced
later
in
the
text.
J
We
also
had
also
from
a
better
city,
a
request
to
clarify
and
assure
that
the
definition
of
an
environmental
justice
population
is
consistent
with
senate
bill
9..
We
believe
that
the
the
majority
of
it
is
consistent.
That's
where
we
we
took
it
from,
but
we're
happy
to
add
additional
clarification.
J
I
think
the
missing
piece
had
been
a
phrase
such
as
or
other
such
meaning
that,
as
is
adopted
or
amended
by
the
commonwealth's
executive
office
of
energy
and
environmental
affairs
or
by
state
statute,
if
that
is
something
that
people
are
interested
in
adding,
I
think
that's
reasonable,
certainly
a
good
suggestion.
J
We
also
had
from
masco
and
lmec
a
suggestion
that
we
define
a
district
energy
plant
and
a
healthcare
institution
for
the
purposes
of
this
ordinance.
And
finally,
I
think
a
number
of
organizations
suggested
that
we
clarify
in
the
definition
of
carbon
dioxide
equivalent
and
emissions
factors
that
we
a
number
of
alternatives
to
energy
star
portfolio
manager.
J
I
think
our
proposal
would
be
that
we
amend
this
text
so
that,
instead
of
saying
as
set
forth
in
the
energy
star
portfolio
manager,
we
amend
it
to
something
of
the
sort,
as
determined
through
a
process
in
the
regulations,
so
that
we
can
have
more
time
with
that
methodology
did
others
have
suggest.
That
is.
That
is
the
extent
of
our
suggestions
and
comments
in
the
in
the
definition
section.
So
I'd
love
to
open
it
up
to
other
questions
or
other
proposals.
E
I
think
that
we
can
certainly
help
clear
things
up
if
there's
any
doubt
so
so
you
know,
I
think
there
were
you
know
we
will
continue
to
review
them
as
we
sort
of
come
up
with
the
more
sort
of
focused
on
regulations,
but
that's
a
good
summation
of
what
we've
heard
thus
far
and
to
your
point,
madam
chair,
the
environment
team,
I
believe,
has
gone
through
all
of
the
letters
and-
and
we
did
a
google
form
as
well,
where
a
number
of
individuals
would
would
make
some
sort
of
not
even
suggestions.
E
Just
looking
for
clarity,
which
is
what
we
you
know,
wanna
tease
out
a
little
bit
more
through
this
process.
So
I
I'm
good
on
that,
but
colleagues
obviously
jump
in
if
anyone
else
wants
to
focus
on
definition,
questions
or
section
b.
E
A
I'm
so
sorry
real
quick.
No,
I
I
the
I
have
not
read
senate
bill
s9
for
the
definition
of
environmental
justice
communities.
Do
you
have
a
preference
between
that
and
and
another?
A
I
really
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
definition
very
clear.
Oh
I
see
I
see,
I'm
sorry.
I
just
got
it
handed
to
me.
Okay.
I
understand
then,
in
the
definition
of
environmental
justice
population.
It's
at
just
for
folks.
Annual
medium
household
income
is
not
more
than
65
percent
of
the
statewide
annual
minorities
comprise
40
percent
or
more
of
the
population.
A
A
Was
there
any
thought
to
adding
in
the
definition
since
it's
ours,
asthma
rates,
copd
rates,
you
know
or
proximity
to
highways,
because
I
can
assure
you
you
know
from
either
council
flooding
represents
chinatown
or
myself.
I
represent
east
boston,
those
highways
and
the
way
in
which
their
proximity
to
emis
large
emitters
of
carbon.
A
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
any
thought
to
that,
I
don't
want
to
water
down
the
definition.
I
actually
think
more
is
good,
but
I
I
leave
it
to
the
the
the
experts,
but
I
do
do
wonder
if
asthma
rates
and
and
health
conditions
also
should
be
part
of
this
analysis.
If
you
don't
think
it
should
okay,
but
I'm
wondering
that
that
was
my
question
about
ej
communities.
I
Madam
madam
chair,
may
I
jump
in
for
a
second.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
edwards.
I
I'm
not
an
expert
on
on
this
issue,
but
I
completely
agree
with
you
100
on
the
asthma
in
being
close
to
a
highway.
It's
a
critical
issue
in
my
district
from
chinatown
and
the
leather
district
in
the
south
end
in
in
south
boston.
Look
at
look
at
the
kids
at
the
josiah
quincy
school,
their
their
school
was
practically
on
top
of
the
mass
pike
in
their
their
playground.
I
Area
is
practically
on
top
of
the
mouse
pipe
they're
breathing
in
those
fumes
every
day,
and
that
has
a
devastating
impact
on
your
breathing
in
your
in
your
public
health
and
your
your
health
going
forward.
So
I
I
agree
with
you
counselor
edwards
and
I'm
I'm
so
glad
you
brought
it
up.
I
think
it's
an
important,
an
important
issue.
Thank
you,
council,
edwards
and
sorry
to
just
jump
in
there.
E
We
can
sort
of
work
workshop
some
language
and
then
I
don't
think
I
asked
this
officially
but
I'd
like
us,
obviously
to
do
a
second
working
session
before
we
vote
on
this.
So
looking
at
the
chief
and
allison,
and
maybe
we
can
workshop
some
language
on
public
health,
metrics.
C
So
I
do
think
it's
worth
noting
that
this
environmental
justice
language
was
heavily
defined
by
quite
a
few
of
the
organizations
that
were
mentioned.
Clf
green
roots,
a
number
of
groups
and,
and
the
question
of
including
health
statistics
was
and
was
considered.
The
challenge
is
that
you
would
need
to
you.
Would
there
was
a
challenge
around
how
exhausted
that
list
might
need
to
be,
and
so
ultimately
it
was
decided
to
keep
the
definition
a
little
bit
simpler.
C
Only
because
all
of
the
communities
that
were
just
as
you
were
describing
would
would
fit
into
these
these
these
definitions.
So
I'm
I'm
completely
open,
but
I
do
want
to
say
it
that
a
lot
of
the
advocates
were
pretty
heavily
involved
in
the
defining
of
the
state
definition
and
just
you
know
wanting
to
keep
some
level
of
consistency
in
alignment
with
sort
of
where
the
state
is
going
and
where
we
are
locally.
C
C
I
would
want
to
make
sure
we
check
in
with
them,
because
maybe
we
we
might
find
a
we
might
find
ourselves
in
sort
of
a
challenge
I
think
maybe
reaching
back
to
green
right,
green
roots
and
cpa
and
clf,
and
all
the
crew
that
sat
at
that
table
just
to
get
a
greater
sense
might
also
be
worthwhile.
E
Okay
sounds
good.
That's
appreciate
the
context
there.
Chief
okay,
I
think
I
think
I
think
we're
good
then
on
definitions,
if
we
wanna
just
keep
moving
along
folks
allison,
you
wanna
pick
it
up
on
section.
J
J
So
this
is
a
term
that
was
in
the
prior
version
of
birdo,
as
with
so
section
d,
unless
there's
hearing
nothing,
we
didn't
have
any
specific
second
date
sets
out
the
reporting,
responsibilities
and
deadlines
for
non-city
buildings
and
goes
through
reporting
data
annually
to
determine
building
performance,
the
types
of
data
that
need
to
be
reported
and
then
additional
optional
reporting
that
could
be
used
to
demonstrate
additional
elements
of
compliance,
but
wouldn't
necessarily
be
required.
A
The
question
is:
it
says
that
no
later
than
the
15th
right
buildings
blah
blah
blah
via
a
defined
methodology,
but
we
don't
list
that's
open
to
what
that
will
be.
J
So
historically,
that
was
developed
in
the
regulations,
just
the
details
of
which
forms
are
used,
whether
it
is
through
energy,
star
portfolio
manager,
whether
we'll
be
bringing
in
some
other
tool
for
reporting
those
additional
quantities.
So
we
we
think
that
that
makes
sense
in
regulations
but
happy
happy
to
discuss
more
here.
Also
I
have
so
I
I
paused
there
at
the
overarch,
but
I
do
have
a
few
comments
and
proposals
in
subsection.
I
in
the
reporting
requirements.
A
I
think
I
one
of
the
the
the
concerns
expressed
and
I
I
would
obviously
I
can't
find,
based
on
the
track
changes
who
who
did
this
quite
yet,
but
I
will
give
credit
to
it-
was
a
good
comment.
It
was
about
how
the
epo
epa
excuse
me.
Portfolio
manager
is
a
national
tool
that
does
not
always
have
the
current
e-grid
data.
A
J
J
We
also
had
a
proposal
in
this
subsection
that
suggested
that
ins
and
I
believe
this
was
from
naom,
but
someone
please
chime
in
and
correct
me
if
I've
got
the
attribution
incorrect
that
there's
no
need
to
have
the
entire
terms
of
a
full
power
purchase
agreement
contract
here
in
sub
subsection
d,
but
then,
instead
we
could
amend
it
to
just
say
the
material
business
terms
of
the
contract,
and
we
have
no
concern
with
that.
I
don't
know
if
others
do.
A
Great,
the
only
only
concern
would
be
obviously
is
the
concern
that
you
know
it's
discretion
as
to
what's
material.
What
I
feel
or
not.
J
A
And
and
for
future
and
I'll
remind
myself,
a
lot
of
the
nitty-gritty
will
be
made
up
for
in
the
regulations
which
will
come
after
this.
So
my
I'll
pull
back
and
go
back
up
a
little
bit
to
not
30
thousand
football
come
to
twenty
thousand
foot
view,
but
reminding
myself
and
folks
we
can
do
a
lot
in
the
regulations
as
well.
Thank
you.
J
Absolutely
thank
you
counselor,
then,
in
subsection
two
reporting
schedules
it
lays
out,
may
15th
as
the
reporting
deadline
for
covered
buildings,
including
buildings
not
previously
covered
in
the
current
ordinance.
So
we've
received
a
request,
I
believe,
from
more
than
one
group
to
to
amend
that.
I
think
a
better
city
asked
for
that
to
be
extended
to
november
15
for
smaller
newly
covered
buildings.
J
We
understand
the
desire
to
to
give
more
time,
and
we
certainly
want
to
give
a
lot
of
notice
to
these
buildings.
However,
we
have
seen
adding
multiple
different
timelines
for
different
sets
of
buildings
to
have
created
complexity
in
the
past,
with
each
building,
not
knowing
when
their
deadline
was
as
opposed
to
others.
So
I
think
out
of
a
desire
to
keep
a
consistent
reporting
deadline.
We'd
propose
an
alternative
which
would
be
to
be
granting
sort
of
initial
extensions
for
these
buildings,
but
to
keep
a
consistent
reporting
deadline
for
all
buildings
moving
forward.
E
Mean
I
I
like
keeping
it
consistent
at
the
same
day,
even
though
we
are
growing
the
the
universe
of
buildings
that
would
fall
under
this
again,
we
will
get
to
sort
of
opportunities
to
work
with
folks.
So
I
don't
to
in,
as
mariana
said,
we're
not
looking
to
be
overly
punitive
here,
but
I
I
I'm
much
more
comfortable
keeping
may
15th
as
the
deadline
across
the
board
and
and
again
I
think,
you'd
mention.
Maybe
it
may
be
a
one-time
extension
we
can.
E
We
can
flesh
that
out
a
little
more,
but
but
I'm
not
looking
at
you
know
the
urgency
of
action
demands
that
we
get
this
done
as
soon
as
possible,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
more
extensions
if
it's
not
necessary,
especially
just
for
for
the
easy
sort
of
phase
one.
J
We
we
also
had
a
number
of
people
con
concerned
that
these
buildings
wouldn't
have
enough
notice,
and-
and
we
just
want
to
assure
that
we
will-
we
will
be
doing
as
soon
as
an
ordinance
is
passed.
We
will
be
doing
extensive
outreach
to
these
buildings
to
make
sure
they're
aware
and
have
support
with
how
to
how
to
achieve
this.
Absolutely.
B
J
Okay,
anything
else
in
the
reporting,
if
not
we'll,
move
on
to
direct
upload,
so
section
e
direct
upload
allows
building
owners
to
authorize
a
utility
or
a
third
party
to
report
data
on
their
behalf
to
the
city.
This
section,
it's
important
to
note,
does
not
create
an
obligation
for
a
utility
to
report
or
remove
the
building
owner's
obligation
to
report
the
data.
J
So
this
is
an
amendment
that
was
intended
to
increase
the
ease
for
building
owners
in
reporting
their
data
to
the
city,
so
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
multi-step
process
every
year
of
the
building
owner,
getting
the
getting
the
data
and
then
submitting
it
on
to
the
city
if
they
would
prefer
to
just
have
a
streamlined
pathway.
We've
had
a
number
of
comments
requesting
that,
instead,
this
section
would
impose
requirements
directly
onto
the
utilities.
J
I
I
can
say
that
we're
happy
to
work
closely
with
them,
but
certainly
concerned
about
proposing
regulations
on
utilities.
In
this
space.
You
know
counselor.
E
Completely
agree,
allison,
and
I
think
you
know
the
fact
of
the
matter
is-
is
that
my
concern
is
we
we've
been
to
this
movie
before
we
had.
You
know
struggles
when
we
did
the
gas
leaks
bill
back
in
2016
or
so
or
2015..
So
I
would
be
I.
I
worry
that
if
we
were
to
shift
the
onus
to
the
utilities,
we
would
not
get
good
data
and
we
would
essentially
render
this
ordinance
completely
ineffective
of
what
we're
hoping
to
do
here.
E
So
obviously
we
want
to
work
and
we
want
to
continue
to
work,
and
I
have
an
open
door
with
with
our
utilities
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so.
But
I
don't,
I
would
not
support
a
change
that
would
simply
shift
the
burden
to
the
utilities,
because
I
don't
think
it
would
work
and-
and
we
don't
have
the
power
to
mandate
that
and
it
would
make
the
the
bill.
The
proposed
amendments
less
effective.
E
E
Any
anyone
else
on
on
that
again
really
plenty
to
do
so.
So
knife
appreciate
that
okay,
okay.
J
E
J
F
is
the
equitable
and
missions
investment
fund,
so,
as
noted,
this
would
set
up
an
equitable
emissions
investment
fund
as
a
separate
fund
that
would
be
funded
by
the
alternative
compliance
payments.
The
fund
would
be
managed
by
review
board,
described
in
later
sections
and
would
be
used
to
fund
local
carbon
reduction
projects
within
boston,
prioritizing
environmental
justice
populations.
J
I
don't
know
the
rest
of
you
with
the
the
type
of
work
that
we'll
be
talking
about
with
the
review
board,
so
the
review
board
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
a
number
of
their
authorities,
including
the
fund,
and
think
that
perhaps
we
need
a
little
more
discussion
on
those
as
a
whole
instead
of
taking
this
independently.
Here
now,
but
what
what
do
others
think.
A
I
think
one
of
the
comments
is
whether
it's
penalties
and
alternative
compliance
or
both
going
into
the
into
the
fund.
We
can
have
that
conversation
now,
so
I'm
fine
with
what
you
suggested.
E
Yeah,
no,
I
mean
I
I
I
actually
am
very
you
know.
We
worked
hard
on
sort
of
illuminating.
These
bullet
points.
I
think
it
makes
sense
and
I
think
it's
it
serves
the
the
the
crucial
sort
of
lens
that
we're
looking
at
this
at
this
amendment,
but
I
would
certainly
defer
to
you.
I
think
that
that
there
is
many
differing
points
of
view
on
what
the
review
board
looks
like,
and
this
is
such
a
crucial
part
of
it
that
we
can.
A
J
So
I
can
confirm
that
with
okay
but
yes,.
A
J
So
data
verification,
section
g,
coming
back
to
section
f,
describes
data
verification
requirements
with
provisions
for
annual
certification
and
third-party
verification
for
the
first
year
of
reporting
and
the
first
year
of
complying
with
emissions
requirements
and
every
five
years
thereafter.
So
really,
the
goal
is
to
have
third
party
verified
data
that
we
all
understand
both
the
building
and
the
city
is
the
correct
and
valid
data.
We
think
that
this
is
important
to
know
the
baseline
right,
where
everyone
is
starting
from
and
have
the
same
understanding
of
where
a
building
stands.
J
We
think
those
are
very
important
elements
to
to
sort
out,
but
that
they're
more
appropriate
for
the
regulations
process
and
then
a
number
of
other
comments
requested
delay
in
the
timeline
for
verification
and
again
understand
the
desire
there.
And
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
date
but
would
be
concerned
that
we
get
good,
consistent
understanding
of
the
data
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
building
owners
know
where
they're,
where
they
stand
and
whether
they
have
work
to
do
for
the
emissions
targets
that
are
coming
up
in
the
near
future.
A
Now
my
I
think
my
question
is
answered
in
indeed,
because
I
said
you
know
they're
going
to
self-report
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
third
party.
There
might
just
be
a
gap,
so
I
see
d
says
that
any
any
lack
of
compliance
with
the
emissions
will
be
subject
to
fines.
So
if
I
report
it's
at
five-
and
my
third
party
says-
is
that
a
seven
this
because
lydia
doesn't
know
the
appropriate
vocabulary
right
now
and
two
is
the
difference
I
would
be
subject
for
the
fines
for
two.
A
J
We
would
we
would
work
that
the
details
of
that
verification
and
resolution
process
out
in
the
regulation.
So
if
it's
five
and
two
and
there's
a
valid
reason
for
that
discrepancy,
say
you
got
reported
incorrect
data,
then
absolutely
we
would
just
work
to
correct
that.
If
it's,
if
it's
seven
and
you
went
ahead
and
reported
five,
then
yes
that
would
be
subject
to
fines
until
you
came
back
into
compliance.
But
again
we
don't.
We
see
that
as
a
guard
rail,
but
not
a
likely
scenario.
E
And
I
would
just
add
in
terms
in
terms
of
the
the
request
of
delay
in
the
timeline
for
verification
again,
I'm
sensitive,
but
I
think
that
the
urgency
of
this
moment
you
know
we
can't
we
can't
simply
delay
all
of
these
metrics
because
we're
on
an
incredibly
tight
schedule
as
it
is,
as
we
all
know,
and
we
very
we're
very
cognizant
and
and
conscious
in
how
we
set
sort
of
these
parameters
and
these
five-year
goals.
E
So
we
will
allow
for
buildings
to
get
there,
but
I
think
if
we
just
if
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for
failure,
if
we
just
completely
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
what
folks
are
are
doing
here,
it's
it's
a
very
wonky,
deep
conversation
that
we're
having
and
folks
should
and
will
have
enough
time
to
understand
it
and
be
able
to
to
come
up
with
a
plan.
E
But
I
just
didn't
I'm
a
little
skittish
when
I,
when
I
you
know,
hear
folks
looking
for
for
delay,
because
that
will
again
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
of
time
anymore.
E
So
anything
else,
colleagues,
or
should
we
go
on
to
h.
J
The
building
owners
would
have
to
comply
with
the
targets
on
an
annual
basis,
and
the
section
also
states
that
buildings
may
develop
and
request
approval
for
individual
compliance
schedules
or
request
a
hardship
compliance
plan.
Buildings
that
would
be
newly
covered
would
be
required
to
start
complying
with
those
targets,
beginning
in
20
the
2030
to
2034
period.
So
they
would
begin
reporting
their
data
as
basically
this
next
year,
but
they
would
have
a
nice
time
horizon
to
understand
their
emissions
and
me
and
a
longer
runway
to
meet
those
targets
as
newly
covered
buildings.
J
I
think
we
think
that
blended
emission
standards
are
important.
They
account
for
multiple
uses
in
a
building
and
accommodate
changing
uses
of
the
building
over
time
and
that
they're
likely
to
be
an
important
and
likely
standard
element
of
a
portfolio.
So
we
agree
that
this
is
a
reasonable
change
to
make
to
make
blending
of
an
emission
standard,
not
need
application,
and
then
we
could
instead
take
this
section,
split
it
and
move
the
definition
of
a
portfolio
and
how
one
creates
a
portfolio
up
into
the
definitions.
Section.
J
And
here
again
we
had
a
number
of
comments
that
that
run
the
game.
I
think
our
comments
came
came
from
masco,
lmac,
a
better
city
and
potentially
others.
We
received
comments
that
range,
the
gamut
from
requests
to
completely
strike
the
sunset
clause
for
the
backup
generation
to
request
to
exempt
certain
types
of
buildings
from
the
sunset
or
I
believe
that
was
specifically
for
healthcare
institutions
or
to
assess
the
emergency
backup
options
before
2030
and
make
recommendations
based
on
that
assessment.
J
Counselor
did
you
have
thoughts
on
this
yeah?
I
mean.
E
I
I
spoke
with
some
folks
from
masco
last
week.
I
I
think
they
make
a
compelling
case.
I
I'm
hesitant
to
start,
you
know
doling
out
exemptions,
because
again
it
will
render
this
less
effective,
but
I
do
think
that
sort
of
the
health,
a
very
specific
conversation
or
very
specific
sort
of
thinking
about
this
more
as
it
relates
to
health
care,
warrants
further
discussion
with
with
particularly
our
health,
our
hospitals
and
our
in
our
health
center.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
we
that's
they've,
made
a
compelling
case.
E
A
My
my
only-
and
this
is
mostly
again
I'm
learning
a
lot
and
also
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
what
I'm
asking
so
my
apologies.
A
I
know
some
of
the
the
comments
I
have
had
from
folks
have
been
no
carve
outs
and
I
don't
know
if
now
is
the
time
to
address
what
that
means
or
where
in
the
in
the
ordinance
council
o'malley
or
you
know
what
what
what
is
a
carve
out
and
where
they
are.
But
I
did
want
to
not
there.
There
have
been
people
saying
that,
and
I
I
don't
want
so
so
so.
H
E
So
it's
a
very,
very
minor
conversation
that
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
cut
out
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
would
not
conflate
this
with
saying
we're.
Gonna
we're
gonna,
you
know
exempt
whole
industries
because
we
we
they
were
organized
and
didn't
want
to
see
this
go
forward.
So
I
I
I
agree.
I
don't
think
any
of
them
said
that
components
of
car
votes.
I
think
this.
This
is
just
again.
J
Okay,
section
j
details,
the
individual
compliance
schedule.
This
is
similar
to
the
self-improvement
pathway
in
the
current
version
of
birdo.
It
sets
out
that
a
building
owner
can
pro
can
propose
a
compliance
schedule
that
differs
from
the
standard
emissions
requirements
in
the
table
above
and
section
g,
but
those
that
self-improvement
pathway,
individual
compliance
schedule
would
still
need
to
be
remain,
would
need
to
remain
aligned
with
citywide
goals
of
cutting
emissions
by
50
by
2030,
from
a
2005
baseline
and
achieving
carbon
neutrality
by
2050..
J
So
basically,
building
owners
would
be
able
to
select
a
baseline
year
going
back
into
the
past,
provided
that
they
do
have
all
of
their
data.
That
would
be
needed
to
to
verify
that
historic,
baseline
and
that
would
be
subject
to
review
and
approval
from
the
board.
We've
received
a
number
of
comments,
asking
very
good
questions
about
the
details
of
how
that
pathway
would
be
generated
and
how
to
handle
buildings
that
would
come
in
and
out
of
ownership
or
change
their
typology.
These
are
good
questions
that
we
think
are
appropriate
for
the
regulations,
development.
G
J
K
outlines
the
options
for
building
owners
to
submit
a
hardship
compliance
plan
for
the
review
board's
approval
if
they
are
facing
unique
or
difficult
circumstances.
These
may
include
historic
designations,
affordable
housing,
refinancing
timelines,
pre-existing
long-term
energy
contracts
without
reopeners
or
financial
hardship.
A
A
Counselor,
I
think
I'm
I'm
feeling
a
little
bit
of
a
reminder
from
when
I
hear
the
words
financial
hardship
and
an
exemption
or
a
hardship
compliance,
and
we
look
at
the
fiscal
sponsorship.
I
know
we
this
will
be
laid
out
in
the
regs,
but
I
am
hoping
that
the
profitability
is
not
part
of
that
understanding
of
financial
hardship.
A
A
You
know
we
hear
this
at
some
zba
hearings
it.
I
can't
do
it,
otherwise
the
numbers
don't
work
and
in
the
regulations
to
wholeheartedly
really
strictly
define
what
is
financial
hardship?
That's
all
I'm
asking
for
for
later,
but
thank
you
for
considering
it.
I
mean,
if
you're,
not
if
you're
going
to
keep
the
words
financial
hardship,
which
I
could
ask
if
you
are
then
in
the
regs,
to
make
sure
it's
very
strictly
defined.
So.
J
Counselor
I
could
share
over
after
this
the
current
definition
of
financial
hardware
from
the
current
version
of
birdo.
It
speaks
to
things
like
bankruptcy.
E
Yeah,
but
to
your
point,
madam
chair,
I
think
we're
all
in
absolute
complete
agreement
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
if
you,
if
you
own
a
building,
that's
20,
000
square
feet
or
or
higher
chances
are
that
it's
going
to
be
a
very
nearly
impossible
task
to
plead
financial
hardship.
I
think
alison's
right
we're
talking
about
a
specific
thing,
but
we
can
clarify
that
language
for
you
and
then
specifically
with
this,
with
the
hardship
plans
as
it
relates
to
working
groups.
E
I'd
argue:
we
have
working
groups
now
the
fact
that
we've
gotten
many
letters
and
many
meetings
that
allison
and
I've
been
having
with
individuals
and
will
continue
to
have.
I
do
think
again.
I
would
appreciate
particularly
our
health
care
sector
and
the
unique
needs
there,
but
it's
important
so
so
I'm
clearly
I
would
and
and
we're
looking
for
more
people
to
be
involved
in
these
conversations
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
folks
are
compliant.
So
absolutely
I
would
be
happy
to
somehow
include
working
groups.
I
I
think
it's
important
it's.
E
I
don't
think
it
is
important
for
me
that
we
do
have
a
strong,
robust
advisory
advisory
board
that
the
you
know,
the
working
groups
would
not
be
the
final
say
the
advisory
board
would.
But,
of
course,
a
working
group
would
be
encouraged
to
talk
to
the
folks
that
you
know
serve
on
the
on
the
board
and
certainly
advocate,
but,
but
I
I
think
it's
again.
We
want
this
to
be
as
strong
and
robust
an
ordinance
as
possible.
E
So
I
I'm
happy
to
make
that
distinction,
but
that
distinction
will
be
will
be
made
and
but
bottom
line
is,
I
think,
we're
all
open
to
having
more
individuals.
Sort
of
you
know
be
part
of
this.
We
want
this
to
be
successful.
C
I
just
think,
as
a
quick
note
again
with
the
with
the
working
groups,
is
that
we
believe
that
people
will
also
benefit
from
learning
from
each
other
that
you
know
if
one
hospital,
for
instance,
figures
out
a
really
creative
way
to
do
something.
We'd
love
those
working
groups
to
also
allow
them
to
share
that.
So
I
think
again
reiterating
this
will
work
best
if
everyone's
in
it
together
working
collaboratively,
and
we
hope
that
the
working
groups
are
a
way
to
do
that.
C
E
Well
said,
rev
and
words
far
more
eloquent
than
my
own,
so
thank
you.
That's
that
you're
right
on
the
target
with
that.
J
L
connection,
l,
section,
l
compliance
mechanism,
so
this
details
the
different
compliance
mechanisms
available
to
building
owners
that
they
may
take
to
meet
the
emissions
requirements.
This
is
not
an
exhaustive
list.
Building
owners
may
take
any
action
in
their
building
to
improve
efficiency
or
do
fuel
switching
that
that
there
is
no.
There
is
nothing
in
this
ordinance
that
that
regulates,
that
is,
that
is
simply
action
that
they
can
take
and
that
we
think,
will
benefit
them
in
this
process.
J
But
this
goes
into
the
rules,
particularly
around
renewable
energy
and
the
procurement
of
renewable
energy.
So
here
section
a
deals
with
municipal
aggregation,
so
buildings
may
enroll
to
receive
their
electricity
through
our
community
choice,
electricity
plan
at
a
base
rate
or
opt
up
to
a
higher
100
percent
clean
electricity
rate
and
report,
the
appropriate
emissions
factor
for
their
electricity
consumption.
So
this
is
one
way
that
say
a
large
residential
building
with
a
number
of
tenants.
If
they
opt
up
they're
going.
J
This
standard
is
consistent
with
the
community
values
that
were
established
in
the
community
choice,
electricity
program
and
their
priorities
that
we've
consistently
heard
from
the
residence
advisory
group
and
other
stakeholders
in
the
community
section
c
I'm
going
to
get
through
the
sections,
and
I
think
we
can
talk
about
them
as
a
whole.
Section
c
deals
with
power
purchase
agreements,
including
virtual
power
purchase
agreements.
These
are
also
known
as
ppas,
and
they
would
need
to
be
from
non-emitting
fuel
sources
and
be
generated
in
a
compliance
period
in
which
they
are
used.
J
Any
associated
wrecks
would
need
to
be
retired
within
six
months
after
the
end
of
the
annual
compliance
period,
for
which
they're
being
claimed
we've
received
here
and
section
d
deals
with
the
alternative
compliance
payment,
which
is
based
on
the
average
cost
per
metric
ton
of
co2e
just
get
the
screen
catch
up
to
decarbonize
applicable
buildings.
It's
proposed
to
be
set
at
234
dollars
per
metric
ton
of
co2e,
and
that
amount
would
be
reviewed
every
five
years
and
could
be
adjusted
in
the
regulations
if
there
was
a
determination
that
such
adjustment
was
necessary.
J
So
going
back
to
rex
and
ppas,
we've
received
many
comments,
some
honestly
contradictory
proposals
in
this
space
we've
had
requests
to
tighten
or
even
disallow
rex
and
others
that
have
asked
for
the
the
most
general
and
broad
definitions
of
the
term
and
allowable
types
possible.
So
this
is
one
where,
where
we
do
think,
we
need
a
little
more
time
for
discussion
and
listening
and
just
with
with
all
of
you
and
with
stakeholders,
as
as
we
try
to
work
this
out.
J
One
quick
item,
though,
that
I
would
like
to
note
is
thank
you
to
boston,
university
and
a
better
city
and
others
who
pointed
out
that
we
have
a
typo
in
section
b,
where
it
says,
bundled
or
unbundled.
We
propose
to
strike
bundled,
as
is
not
appropriate
here.
These
renewable
energy
certificates
are
meant
to
be
unbundled
so
able
to
be
purchased
at
whatever
time
a
building
owner
needs
before
or
after
their
compliance
period,
whereas
bundled
or
wrecks
or
power
purchase
agreements
would
be
long-term
procurements
made,
for
which
section
b
is
not
meant
to
apply.
A
Could
you
help
me-
and
maybe
many
other
people
sorry
understand
this
aspect,
my
this,
and
I
could
be
totally
wrong
this
this
I'm
concerned
that
this
looks
like
the
cap
and
trade
back
and
forth
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
dealing
with
other
pollutants
and
that
you
know,
there's
a
certain
amount,
that's
allowed.
If
you
know
someone
else
doesn't
use
up
all
their
or
doesn't
use.
A
It
is
a
meeting
emitting
less
of
a
pollutant
that
somehow
I
can
purchase
into
to
to
to
emit
more
or
is
this
the
is
this
where
the
carve
out
concern
is
where
you
just
said:
we're
going
to
have
addition.
No
okay,
well,.
J
Well,
so
you
know
you
raise
it,
you
raise
a
very
good
point
counselor,
so
we
we
have
specified
here
that
renewable
energy
certificates
or
these
certificates,
that
are
the
environmental
attributes,
the
renewable
attributes
of
electricity
generated
in
the
area
right.
So
we
we
have
specified
that
they
a
number
of
requirements,
one
including
that
they
only
be
applied
to
the
electricity
of
the
building.
J
If
we
have
had
proposals-
and
we
would
be
concerned
at
the
idea
of
applying
renewable
energy
certificates
for
electricity
to
emissions
onsite
in
the
building,
so
two
thermal
emissions,
so
we're
not
proposing
that
they
be
applied
to
the
fossil
fuel
combustion
of
an
oil
boiler,
for
example,
that
wouldn't
be
allowed
in.
In
this
version
of
the
ordnance
or
in
the
ordinance.
C
But,
but
I
think
also
connected
to
council
edwards
point.
Yes,
there
is
some
ability
to
sort
of
not
do
the
work
on
site
and
best,
but
that's
why
we're
also
looking
at
class
a
rex,
because
in
new
england
the
the
likelihood
is
that
those
wrecks
are
going
to
be
sort
of
a
stronger
quality.
They
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive
than
some.
C
You
know
sort
of
random
one
farm
in
in
texas
and
so
we're
trying
to
thread
that
needle
in
a
way
that
does
give
this
as
an
option
for
folks
but
says
we
want
to
hold
you
accountable
to
the
highest
quality
of
rex,
if
you're
going
to
use
rex.
C
So
so
we
are
hoping
that,
yes,
there
is
some
piece
of
it
that
that
allows
people
to
buy
in
and
not
do
all
of
the
work
personally
and
at
the
same
time
we're
hoping
that
it's
it.
It
actually
will
stimulate
a
marker
that
they
can
take
advantage
of
down
the
line,
because
there
will
be
just
more
cleaner,
clean
energy
generation.
E
And
I
just
agree
with
everything
said
by
the
two
prior
speakers
and
just
add
that
you
know
we
we
very
intentionally
went
with
mass
class
one
rex,
because
that's
what
we
did
with
community
choice,
energy
and
it's
it's
there's
a
vast
difference
between
you
know,
sort
of
less
less,
I
won't
say,
noble,
but
less
less
robust,
a
a
lower,
robust
class
of
wrecks
that
we
would
allow.
E
So
I
think,
that's
great,
but
I,
I
think,
you're
sort
of
the
way
you
frame
this,
commissioner,
is
to
you
know:
there's
been
a
lot
of
chatter
on
this.
There's
been
a
lot
of
chatter
on
the
review
board
and
we'll
continue
to
solicit
feedback
and
and
flesh
it
out
more
at
the
next
working
session.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
overview.
J
Thank
you
just
one
final
comment
to
note
that
in
these
sections,
so
we're
we're
talking
about
the
largest
buildings
in
the
city.
So
we
have
a
number
of
buildings
that,
even
if
they
made
themselves
the
most
efficient
buildings
and
they
put
solar
panels
all
over
the
top
of
their
buildings,
they
are
still
going
to
have
more
electricity
needs
than
they
can
generate
on
site.
And
so
the
question
there
is:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
that
is
transitioning
to
renewable
electricity
over
time?.
J
In
section
d,
alternative
compliance
payments,
we
had
an
additional
comment
here
from,
I
believe,
the
chamber
of
commerce
that
we
s,
that
it
says
that
the
alternative
compliance
payment
value
shall
be
reviewed
at
least
every
five
years.
J
We
we
do
agree
that
it's
important
to
have
consistency
and
a
planning
horizon,
so
if,
if
instead
that
were
shall
be
reviewed
every
five
years
instead
of
at
least
every
five
years,
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
be
going
and
changing
this
number
constantly
and
so
wanted
to
bring
that
up
for
discussion
on
on
what
folks
think
may
be
an
appropriate
timeline.
There.
J
So
the
ordinance
right
now
says
that
every
that
this
number
will
be
reviewed
every
five
at
least
every
five
years.
I
think
every
five
years
is
fine.
The
goal
there
is
to
acknowledge
that
technology
is
changing
quickly
and
in
10
15
20
years,
it's
possible
that
decarbonization
will
be
much
more.
You
know,
much
more
efficient
might
might
happen
much
more
cheaply,
and
so
we
would
not
we'd
want
to
keep
up
with
the
times
in
this
section.
That's
the
original
intent
of
that.
I
believe.
C
The
counselor
yeah,
also
as
as
also
as
commissioner
said,
though,
but
not
you've,
got
one
number
this
year.
Two
years
later,
you
got
another
number
three
years
later,
you
know
so
so
I
think
the
question
is:
is
five
the
right
amount
of
time
to
make
sure
that
we're
updating
to
what
is
happening
in
the
current
landscape,
but
not
changing
it
so
much
that
it
makes
folks
feel
like
it's
a
moving
target,
and
I
don't
know
you
know
what
working.
J
Or
we
could
consider
striking,
at
least
and
and
to
the
the
chief's
point,
selecting
an
appropriate
increment
of
time.
I
think
that
reviewed
is
not
the
same
as
updating
either
either
we
could
review
it.
We
could
lay
out
clear
criteria
in
the
regulations
as
to
what
would
constitute
a
need
for
a
amendment.
J
I
think
striking
at
least
makes
sense,
but
we
can
but
I'm
open
to
shout
to
may
as
well.
A
If
the
flexibility
is
something
that
you,
I
think
at
least
gives
us
that
flexibility,
so
it's
no
more
than
five
years
will
go
by
before
we
review,
but
honestly
it
does
allow
for
the
regs
to
set
up
a
faster
schedule.
If
need
be,
and
I
would
encourage
you
know
in
the
next
working
session
and
then
the
regs
that
we
figure
out
what
that
is
what's
the
standard
for
making
it
less
than
five.
But
to
me
this
is
a
maximum.
This
is
the
most
we'll
go
buy
before
review,
and
I
actually
but
it's
it's.
A
The
shell
is
that
the
review
happens,
and
then
the
at
least
is
at
at
maximum
every
five
years.
So
I
I
think
the
clauses
is
okay
and
allows
for
the
flexibility,
but
I
you
know
the
lead
sponsor.
I
defer
to
him
if
you
prefer
the
shall
be
made,
but
I
don't
want
anyone
to
interpret
may
be
reviewed
right
that
they
think
that
that's
an
option.
E
A
D
Thank
you,
counselor
o'malley,
and
I'm
just
curious
just
in
terms
of
where
this
information
will
live.
I'm
not
sure
if
I
missed
a
part
of
the
conversation
but
curious
if
there
would
be
any
report
back
publicly
around
the
information
that
it
gets
disseminated
in
a
way
that
folks
are
able
to
access
it.
Is
that
part
of
the
conversation
did
I
miss
that
part.
E
You
did
you
didn't
miss
it.
We're
actually
going
to
get
to
that
very
that
very
level
julia
and
it's
a
great
point,
obviously
making
sure-
and
I
know
you
feel
you've
been
done-
such
great
work
on
making
sure
we
have
it
translated
and
we
have
it
available,
just
not
not
online.
So
we're
going
to
get
more
specific
on
that.
But
then
we're
also
going
to
get
to
the
review
board,
which
is
going
to
be
working
hard
to
sort
of
help,
implement
these
and
work
with
individuals.
E
And
then
I
would
just
argue
that
you
know
I
think
that
god
willing
this
will
pass
and
then
go
into
effect.
And
then
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
council
to
play
a
role.
You
know
calling
on
herring
to
check
in
just
as
we've
done
on
some
other
on
some
other
really
big
important
legislation.
D
Thank
you
for
that.
I
guess
yeah
so
to
to
the
point
is
in
terms
of
like
I'm
always
talking
about
dashboards
and
accountability
and
like
where
this
information
lies.
Once
these
reports
have
been
produced
or
whatever
is
there
that
level
of
distribution
that
public
level
of
accountability
is?
Is
that
something
that
we're
gonna
also
be
looking
into?
A
I
think
we
especially
with
the
review
board
and
we're
going
to
discuss
the
membership
and
how
much
community
gets
to
be
part
of
really
defining,
holding
accountable
industries
and
so
councilman.
Here
we're
going
gonna.
There
was
a
the
investment
fund
board
and
the
review
board
conversation
that
are
both
going
to
come
up
and
really
defining
how
community
holds
us
as
well
as
the
industries
accountable.
But
yes,.
E
All
right,
so,
I
think
we're
I
think,
we're
good
on
that.
Do
we
want
to
go
to
proceed
on
subsection
d,
dr
breezy's
sure.
J
So,
but
so
the
next
and
final
comment
in
this
subsection
that
we
have
was
just
to
note
that,
while
it
is
not
while
there
is
no
subsection
e
here,
a
number
have
a
number
of
folks
have
requested
that
offsets
be
included
as
a
compliance
mechanism
or
that
they
be
evaluated
as
a
compliance
mechanism,
starting
in
2025
every
five
years.
Thereafter,
from
from
our
perspective,
I
just
like
to
note
that
they
were
not
included
based
on
the
strong
feedback
of
the
residence
advisory
group.
J
E
Yeah
offsets
are
a
non-starter
with
me.
I
would
argue
it's
it's
worse
than
doing
nothing,
because
it's
giving
folks
sort
of
the
sheen
of
doing
something
without
actually
having
the
impact.
So
we
won't
include
offsets
as
a
as
an
opportunity
for
another
compliance
pathway.
J
Thank
you,
counselors
section
m
preservation
of
documents,
so
I'm
going
to
take
m
and
n
together,
as
they
are
standard
sections
that
were
included
in
the
prior
version
of
birdo.
Section
m
sets
out
rules
for
the
preservation
of
documents
by
building
owners
and
n
gives
building
owners
an
obligation
to
request
and
report
energy
and
water
use
from
tenants
and
details
how
building
owners
shall
approach
making
that
request
again.
These
are
elements
that
have
been
worked
out
in
the
original
version
of
birdo.
J
E
J
And
then
again,
disclosure
to
to
your
points,
counselor
mahee-
and
this
has
also
existed
since
the
last
one
and
preserved
section
o-
describes
the
provisions
for
annual
disclosure
by
the
city
of
covered
building
data.
Information
and
added
is
information
related
to
equitable
implementation
of
this
ordinance,
including
the
information
about
the
investment
fund,
the
balances
of
fund
and
expenditures
and
information
about
projects
funded.
E
Sorry
about
that,
yes-
and
that's
again,
thank
you,
counselor
mejia,
for
bringing
up
sort
of
the
the
that
outreach
affirmative
outreach
we
can
take.
So
thank
you.
I.
I
have
no
further
comments
on
that
on
section.
Oh
okay,.
J
Section
p
is
outlines
the
enforcement
timelines,
including
failure
to
comply,
injunctive
release
and
relief,
and
fines,
and
combined
with
section
q,
outlines
the
penalty
schedule
for
failure
to
comply
with
reporting
requirements
or
to
comply
with
emission
standards
or
failure
to
accurately
report
information.
J
It
also
allows
the
review
board
to
grant
penalty
reductions
or
waivers
in
certain
extenuating
circumstances.
I'd
like
to
highlight
in
these
sections,
because
we
did
have
a
number
of
comments
seeking
clarity
in
this
space.
J
First
is
to
note
here
that
we
have
proposed
different
scott
fine
schedules
for
the
largest
buildings
that
already
exist
under
the
current
bordeaux
and
then
for
the
smaller
buildings,
well
still
very
large
buildings,
but
the
smaller
of
the
large
buildings
that
are
that
are
being
added
to
the
cohort.
Here.
J
We've
received
again
very
broad
comments
on
this
section
from
those
requesting
more
timely
and
aggressive
enforcement
of
these
sections
to
those
requesting
that
fines
be
reduced
or
removed
so
really
running
the
gamut.
Here
we
have
some
comments
that
seem
to
indicate
that
fines
would
be
expected
as
a
normal
part
of
this
ordinance.
For
for
buildings,
I
want
to
clarify
that
fines
are
really
intended
to
be
a
last
resort
for
those
buildings
that
are
actively
not
participating
in
the
ordinance
in
decarbonization.
J
There
are
a
number
of
compliance
pathways,
in
fact,
multiple
compliance
pathways
that
are
available
to
buildings
ahead
of
time
and
then
even
multiple
compliance
pathways
that
are
available
to
buildings
if
they
come
to
their
reporting
or
performance
standard
deadline
and
realize
that
they
haven't
quite
made
it.
So
fines
really
are
that
last
resort
for
buildings
that
aren't
participating
that
haven't,
sought
a
hardship
plan
that
haven't
exhausted
many
of
the
other
pathways
available
to
them.
A
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
the
municipal
fines
limits.
I
had
always
understood
the
city
of
boston,
the
max
any
city
could
charge
based
on
state
laws
300
a
day,
and
we
can
run
that
through
legal.
If
that's
true,
then
I
would
want
to
break
down
the
different
levels
of
fines
that
they're
doing
then,
so
each
fine
is
resulting
in
a
300
max,
so
what
levels
of
violations
they
have
for?
This
isn't
just
one
fine
300
a
day.
A
If
that's
the
max,
I
see
that
there's
a
thousand
dollars
a
day
and
if
that's
perfectly
fine,
through
legal
and
within
our
purview.
That's
that's
fine
by
by
me
the
other
question,
so
that's
so,
what's
the
maximum
that
we
can
actually
charge
in
fines,
I
might
have
to
go
to
legal
right
now.
I
don't
know
it
off
the
top
of
my
head,
the
other
concern
or
not
question
question,
but
the
other
thought
that
I
have
is
you
know
the
the
crux
and
the
hook
for
building
is
always
in
our
zoning.
A
A
Some
of
these
buildings
already
built,
so
it's
a
you
know,
but
with
the
zoning
or
with
the
permitting
process
or
if
they
choose
to
seek
an
expansion
of
their
building
if
their
lack
of
compliance
with
this
with
berto
is
on
record,
their
ability
to
move
and
build
elsewhere
should
be
severely
hindered
until
you
correct
you
show
you
can
do
right
by
us
and
the
one
building
you
have
or
the
two
or
three
buildings
you
have
have
you
thought
about
a
section
for
that?
I
I
don't
know
that
it
should.
A
I
don't
know
that
doing
that
kind
of
hook
in
the
regulations
will
be
strong
enough.
I
think
you
might
have
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
legal
authority,
so
have
you
to
the
lead
sponsors
sponsor
and
to
the
I
think,
allison.
You
worked
on
this
as
well
councilor
o'malley
extensively.
First,
first
and
second
version
have
you
thought
about
hooking
this
in
with
our
permitting
process
isd,
or
something
like
that,
you
know:
that's
every
building
owner
is
going
to
come
to
us
in
a
different
department.
A
E
E
You
know
for
another
another
project
to
to
something
that
was
owned
here,
but
I
think
your
point
is
right
on
the
money
and
I
think
that
would
indicate
the
need
for
sort
of
political
opposition.
If
such
a
scenario
were
to
unfold
itself.
I
don't
know
that
we
could
include
something
specific
in
the
language
and
I
would
hate
to
have
a
a
well-meaning
poison
pill
that
I
a
well-meaning
suggestion
that
I
agree
with
be
seen
as
a
poison
pill
and
somehow
perhaps
jeopardize
the
legality
of
this.
E
So
we
we
can
certainly
explore
it
more,
but
I
think
we
might
have
to
be
careful
now,
that's
not
to
say
that
we
couldn't
then
have
a
separate
past
this
and
to
pass
a
separate
amendment
to
the
zoning
code.
That
simply
says,
if
you
own,
you
know
x.
If
you
want
a
building
that
comes
on
alberta
and
you're
in
compliance,
you
will
not
be
able
to
be
granted
a
you
know.
Zba
hearing
along
those.
C
The
breath
of
things
that
you
just
mentioned
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
often
people
are
not
just
bad
actors
in
one
place,
but
unfortunately
there's
in
multiple
yeah
multiple
places
and
I
think
it
it
may
be
more
effective
to
put
something
forward
that
says,
if
you're
in
bad
standing
on
these,
you
know
seven
measures
whatever
number
of
measures,
it
should
be
taken
into
account,
you
know
and
whether
or
not
you
were
allowed
to
interact
with
them
with
the
city
in
another
form,
but
I
I
do
put
I
I
worry
that
putting
it
here
would
not
be
appropriate,
though
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
for
sure.
E
J
Sure
I
will,
I
will
take
a
shot
and
then
I
will
refer
ourselves
to
legal
at
the
legal
department.
But
if
we
look
in
our
purpose
and
our
authorities,
we
named
a
number
of
authorities
here
in
addition
to
chapter
21d,
which
is,
I
think,
the
one
you're
referring
to
councilor
edwards
that
allows
for
the
civil
fines
up
to
300
a
day
we
named
mgl
section
40-
u
that
could
in
theory,
be
implemented
here
which
has
to
do
with
liens,
so
we
are
looking
at
alternative
pathways
again.
Ideally,
we
are
never
at
this
space.
J
The
goal
is
to
work
with
buildings,
but
if,
if
that
is
necessary,
that
is
there
and
then
under
mgl
chapter
111
31c,
I
believe,
is
our
authority
for
the
larger
fines
but
happy
to
add
additional
clarification.
There.
E
I
would
just
add
in
terms
of
the
you
know,
the
fines
agree
with
everyone.
That's
been
said,
I
in
an
ideal
scenario:
we
don't
collect
any
funds,
because
everyone's
in
compliance
are
working
to
get
on
compliance,
but
we
did
go
at
rates,
and
I've
mentioned
this
before
using
the
the
fenway
park.
Parking
example
where,
up
until
a
couple
years
ago,
it
was
cheaper
to
park
in
a
resident
only
zone
around
the
fenway
and
get
a
40
ticket
than
it
was
to
spend
50
or
60
bucks
to
park
in
a
lot
near
fenway
park.
E
J
Another
last
element
here
that
we
are
looking
into
is
that
I
believe
the
conference
of
boston
teaching
hospitals
made
a
proposal
that
we
consider
corrective
action
plans
as
an
additional
element.
Here,
that's
one
where
we've
requested
a
little
bit
more
information
to
understand
what
something
like
that
might
look
like
and
we'll
absolutely
share
it
with
council
when
we
receive
it.
A
So,
just
just
to
close
the
conversation
on
the
fines.
Thank
you
so
much
for
defining
the
authority
we're
pointing
to
beyond
21d
and
then
in
terms
of
the,
if
you're,
not
in
compliance
with
barreto
and
you've,
been
fined
to
be.
You
know,
by
the
review
board,
but
several
several
checks
right
that
you're
not
complying
with
this,
and
this
is
this
is
a
matter
of
public
health
right.
This
is
a
matter
of
our
future
and
our
ability
to
grow
as
a
city
responsibly
and
also
sustainably.
A
E
J
Okay,
review
board
section
r
would
create
an
admissions
review
board
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
city
council.
It
details
the
expertises
to
be
held
by
members
of
the
board
term.
Lengths
and
overall
composition
would
be
specifically
that
two-thirds
of
the
seats
shall
be
nominated
by
community-based
organizations.
J
We've
received
a
number
of,
in
fact,
numerous
comments
and
suggestions
around
the
review
board
and
its
composition
and
authority,
and
we're
working
to
continue
to
compile
and
reconcile
that
feedback
and
believe
that
there
should
be
likely,
I
think,
councilor
o'malley.
This
was
your
suggestion
that
there
be
a
more
dedicated
time
to
discuss
in
more
detail.
E
Yeah,
absolutely
I
mean
I
would
look
forward
to
my
colleagues
sort
of
feedback
now,
but
I
think
that
you
know
we
want
to
do
an
overview
today.
It's
already
you
know,
we've
been
doing
this
already
for
nearly
two
hours,
so
we'll
do
we.
E
If
we,
if
the
chair
is
amenable
to
a
second
working
session,
we
can
get
into
some
of
the
more
specific,
both
regulations
and
I
would
argue,
sort
of
more
specifics
on
the
review
board,
but
you
know
suffice
it
to
say
I
I
I
think
that
the
way
it
was
phrased
certainly
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
You
know
added
the
chair
of
the
council's
environment
committee
when
this
goes
to
effect.
E
I
will
not
be
it,
but
I
like
having
that
I
also
you
know,
would
respectfully
you
know
push
back
on
the
arguments
that
we
need
less
community-based
for
that
the
notion
of
having
experts
and
I'd
argue
that
we
will
be
putting
experts
on
many
of
whom
will
come
from
the
community,
but
I
think
that
we'll
continue
to
solicit
feedback,
but
welcome
my
colleagues.
You
know
take
on
this
this.
This
element.
A
A
I
want
to
make
sure,
though,
that
this
doesn't
guarantee
that
two-thirds
of
the
members
will
be
from
the
community
just
that
that
the
community
will
be
appointing
two-thirds
of
the
members
community
organizations
that
they'll
be
nominated,
nominated
nominated
as
a
pool
for
the
mayor
to
pick
from,
and
then
the
city
council
to
confirm.
E
Correct,
it's
not
dissimilar
from
what
we're
doing
on
the
civilian
review
board
where
we're
soliciting
names.
The
council
is
then
putting
them
forward
to
the
acting
mayor.
The
the
thing
that
I
very
purposefully
included
in
this
was
allowing
for
council
approval,
which
we
have,
as
you
know,
on
some
boards,
but
not
all
boards.
So
I
think
that
that
will
allow
for
the
council
to
play
a
significant
role,
working
with
the
mayor
and
members
of
the
community
and
members
of
industry
to
come
up
with
a
reflective
board.
A
A
Make
sure
that,
when
we're
thinking
about
the
community
organizations,
I
know
several
are
already
positioned
themselves,
but
do
we
have
that
defined
community-based
organization?
Someplace.
E
We
do
in
the
beginning,
under
on
page
two,
I'm
sorry
page,
three
cbo
community-based
organization
means
a
non-profit
organization
that
is
driven
by
community
residents,
that
is,
the
majority
of
the
governing
body
and
staff
consists
of
local
residents.
The
main
operating
offices
are
in
the
community
of
service
priority
issue
areas
are
identified
and
defined
by
residents.
Solutions
to
address
priority
issues
are
developed
with
residents
and
program,
design,
implementation
and
evaluation
components
have
residents
intimately
involved
and
in
leadership
positions.
D
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me
now,
so
I
guess
to
this
point:
I'm
just
incredibly
curious
about
what
kind
of
sort
of
lived
experience
standards
we
might
be
able
to
look
at
when
we're
building
this
review
board.
D
I
think
that
that's
part
of
the
process,
too,
is
just
kind
of
really
thinking
about
what
that
looks
like
to
ensure
that
we're
not
creating
this
with
just
the
same
usual
folks
who
show
up,
and
then
I'm
curious
kind
of,
want
to
really
express
my
support
for
this
section,
especially
in
making
sure
that
that
the
community-based
organizations
like
beacan
are
empowered
to
nominate
people
who
will
have
the
best
interest
of
the
community
and
not
just
the
polluters
at
heart.
D
So
I
just
really
want
to
kind
of
drill
in
that
accountability,
piece
and
recruitment
and
thinking
about
how
we
get
there.
E
So
if
I
may,
madam
chair,
I
appreciate
that
counselor
mejia
I'll
just
read,
because
this
is
becoming.
I
think,
such
an
important
part
of
this,
this
amendment.
So
to
answer
the
question
and
obviously
I'm
open
to
we're
all
open,
I
think
to
other
suggestions.
But
the
way
section
r
reads
it's.
This
is
to
comes
from
his
point.
There
is
an
asset.
There
is
established
an
independent
review
board
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
boston
city
council.
E
Members
of
the
review
board
shall
have
expertise
in
environmental
justice,
affordable
housing,
labor
workers,
rights
and
workforce
development,
building
engineering
and
energy,
real
estate,
development
and
management,
public
health
and
hospitals,
historic
preservation
or
any
combination
thereof.
Two-Thirds
of
the
members
of
the
review
board
shall
be
nominated
by
community-based
organizations,
which
we
just
read.
The
definition
the
chair
of
the
boston
city,
council's
environment,
resiliency
and
parks,
or
their
designee,
shall
serve
as
a
member
of
the
review
board.
E
The
regulations
shall
establish
the
number
of
seats
on
the
review
board
and
designate
community
groups
and
organizations
to
nominate
individuals
to
serve
on
the
review
board
subject
to
the
mayor's
review
and
the
council's
approval
members
shall
serve
for
a
term
of
three
years
as
the
term
of
any
member
expires.
Their
successor
shall
be
nominated
by
the
organizations
identified
in
the
regulations
and
appointed
by
the
mayor.
E
So
again,
I
I
didn't
you
know
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
time
we'll
get
into
more
specifics,
but
that's
sort
of
how
that's
our
starting
point
and
again,
if
counselors
have
thoughts
or
if
there's
some
thing
where
we
as
we
talk
about
lived
experience,
other
attributes,
maybe
we
should
be
listing
as
well.
Obviously,
all
ears.
D
Yeah,
no
thank
you
counselor
o'malley.
For
for
that
clarification,
I
just.
I
think
that
sometimes
just
we're
always
thinking
about
how
do
we
define
expertise,
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
folks
who
are
living
these
realities.
That
may
not
be
part
of
any
expertise,
but
could
might
be
able
to
provide
some
some
input,
so
that's
kind
of
wanna
to
just
throw
it
out
there
in
terms
of
creating
space.
For
for
folks
who.
E
Who
can
weigh
in
great?
I
completely
agree,
and
I
I
think
it's
actually.
This
is
more
than
many
other
sort
of
advisory
boards
or
commissions.
I
think
that
takes
into
a
into
account
exactly
what
you're
saying,
but
you
know
certainly
appreciate
the
point
and
agree
with
it.
C
I
think
you
know-
and
I
think
we'll
talk
about
this
in
greater
depth.
I
think
the
the
key
is,
and
we
started
to
think
this
through
we'll
need
to
think
about
like
what
is
the
possibility
of
public
comment
and
how
can
people
you
know
engage,
because
I
think
the
we
will
need
commissioners
who,
similar
to
the
conservation
commissioner
commission,
can
serve
in
what
probably
aren't
the
shortest
meeting
at
meetings
ever
and
will
have
edibility
disorder
over
time.
C
They
don't
have
to
come
up
with
all
of
the
expertise,
but
they
will
have
to
learn
over
time
how
to
sort
of
evaluate
a
portfolio
and
things
things
of
that
like
so
we
we
will
be
looking
at
what
the
the
different
pieces
of
expertise
are,
and
I
think
that
there's
also
an
opportunity
to
look
at
how
the
public
is
able
to
engage.
So
I
don't
think
it's
all.
A
I'm
going
to
miss,
I
got
got
it
sorry,
we
were,
we
did
park,
the
investment
fund
review
board
to
talk
about
as
well
when
we
brought
up
this
board.
A
If
you
recall
just
to
remember,
we
had
separated
that
the
investment
fund.
We
said
we
would
talk
about
this
board
and
community.
J
E
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
I
think
that
we
don't
make
you
know
we
leave
it
as
is
for
now
and
then,
as
we
sort
of
get
to
the
second
working
session,
where
we
have
maybe
some
more,
I
mean
I'm
open
to
it.
If
there's
specific
thoughts,
you
have
it's
written.
I
think
in
such
a
way
that
we're
very
intentional
intentional
about
how
it
was
written,
and
I
think
that
you
know
there
were.
E
I
think
we
we
keep
it
parked
until
the
next
sec
session
and
if
individuals
have
some
specific
proposed
changes
that
they
think
in
terms
of
making
it
you
know
either
more
broad
or
less
broader.
However,
however,
you
know
it
seemed
unclear
what
some
of
the
feedback
was
other
than
big
picture
items.
We
will
certainly,
you
know,
be
receptive
to
hearing
suggestions,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
sort
of
go
back
on
that
at
this
point,.
A
All
right,
then,
so,
maybe
then,
actually
after
your
listening
session
on
thursday,
you'll
probably
get
the
most
feedback
actually
on
the
review
board
and
community
role
and
standards
for
both
and
then
in
our
next
working
session,
you'll
be
able
to
bring
that
I'll
watch
the
listen
listening
session
or
participate
in
as
much
as
I
can
and
we
will.
We
will
do
that
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
didn't
park
it
and
then
not
deal
with
that.
So.
J
So
section
s
just
disbands
in
a
a
pre-existing
advisory
committee
to
be
replaced
with
the
review
board,
which
is
the
new
section
above
and
then
section
t
instructs
the
environment
department
to
review
implementation
every
five
years
with
at
least
one
public
hearing
to
select
public
solicit
public
comments.
J
The
department
may
also
recommend
revisions
to
the
regulations
as
needed.
So
here
we
have
a
general
clause.
Basically
thinking
of
things
unforeseen
such
as
the
covet
pandemic
or
the
a
lot
of
the
goals
of
this
ordinance.
We
want
to
continue
to
track
and
make
sure
that
we
are
implementing
them,
but
there
are
unforeseen
conditions,
so
this
allows
us
to
come
back
and
review
if
our
metrics
are
trending
in
the
wrong
direction.
G
J
Sense
section:
u
regulatory
authority
details
the
commission's
regulatory
authority
to
promulgate
rules
and
regulations.
The
standard
section
calling
out
that
authority
and
again
quickly,
hear
applicability,
describes
the
ordinance's
applicability,
vis-a-vis
other
restrictions
and
obligations
set
forth
in
other
laws.
J
The
section
this
next
section
2
proposes
some
minor
changes
to
the
air
pollution
control
commission
to
add
additional
members.
We've
had
a
number
of
comments
asking
for
additional
clarification
of
the
roles
and
responsibilities
between
the
air
pollution
control,
commission,
the
emissions
review
board
and
the
city.
J
Again
we
were
happy
to
propose
some
clarifying
language,
either
in
regulations
or
in
an
or
in
a
document.
That
would
just
be
a
companion
document
to
explain
the
rules
between
them.
But
do
you
think
that
this
will
depend
very
much
on
the
outcome
of
the
discussion
about
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
review
board?
So
should
be
part
of
that
discussion.
E
On
I'm
sorry
on
section
three.
E
Yeah
we've
heard
from
some
folks,
you
know
saying
we
should
wait
until
after
the
mayoral
election
after
new
council
seated,
that's
just
bunk.
It's
you
know
we
were.
This
came
from
the
city
council.
We
were
all
elected
two
years
ago
and
you
know
the
acting
mayor
has
all
the
powers
to
to
sign
and
enact
legislation,
and
I
appreciate
her
partnership
on
this.
E
This
is
a
real
partnership
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
delay
you
know
our
opponent
here
isn't
well,
I
guess
technically,
it
could
be
just
if
this,
if
these
amendments
don't
pass,
but
it's
really,
our
our
equal
opponent
is
inaction
and
waiting
and
delay
and
delay
and
delay,
and
we've
done
it.
E
On
climate
we've
been
saying
the
right
things,
and
and
and
we
have
to
actually
put
some
ideas
and
words
to
action,
and
that's
precisely
what
this
does
so
I
would
you
know
respectfully,
but
forcefully
push
back
on
any
ideas
that
we
should
delay,
or
we
should
wait
to
take
action
until
the
next
election.
We
simply
don't
have
enough
time
and
we're
all
here
and
again.
This
is
something
that
I'm
absolutely
committed
to
seeing
through
to
completion
before
I
leave
the
city
council.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
also.
I
mean
this
is
one
of
the
best
working
sessions.
I've
ever
been
honored
to
be
a
part
of.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
clearly
immense
amount
of
work
in
preparation
for
this
and
all
of
the
public
comments
that
we
received
that
you
clearly
vetted
and
and
knew
to
respond
to.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
councilor
mel.
I
know
your
office
did
an
extreme
amount
of
work.
A
I
want
to
thank
the
chief
and
I
want
to
thank
the
commissioner
on
the
administration,
for
obviously
you
did
an
immense
amount
of
work
already
knowing
to
center
and
ground
in
community
and
bringing
that
voice
here.
So
thank
you
so
much
to
all
of
you
and,
of
course,
to
my
colleagues
on
the
city
council.
Thank
you
for
staying
the
entire
time
of
those
that
could
and
providing
again
perspective.
A
I
think
we
have
our
marching
orders.
We
have
basically,
I
would
say,
shrunk
the
haystack
as
to
what
is
going
to
go
into
our
next
working
session
and
then
further
from
there.
There
will
be
hopefully,
after
that
working
session,
we'll
just
literally
have
what's
going
into
regulations
to
define
for
at
a
later
date
and
what
changes
we
will
make
on
the
face
of
this
legislation
and
any
supportive
legislation
such
as
the
zoning
amendment
council
o'malley.
That
might
help
enhance
this,
so
I
am
very
excited
to
keep
moving
on
this
conversation.
We
will.
A
Our
offices
will
coordinate
the
listening
session
again.
Folks
is
this
thursday
at
from
five
to
seven,
I
think
at
5
30
to
7.,
I'm
sorry
if
I've
got
the
time
to
accept
council
o'malley
or
the
chief.
If
you
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
promote
it
again,
my
apologies.
I
can't
find
my
notes.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
will
advertise
and
put,
I
think,
the
link
and
we
can
we
all
retweet
and
make
sure
that's
promoted.
I
assume,
obviously
it
will
be
for
those
who
need
translation
services.
I
know
we
had
to
coordinate
to
please
let
us
know
a
little
bit
in
advance.
We
will.
We
will
meet
that
standard.
A
Just
help
us
to
know
that
you
do
need
a
little
bit
more
time
and
that
you
will
need
interpretation,
services,
spanish,
chinese
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
we've
accommodated
it
and
did
culminate
it
in
our
hearing.
As
you
recall,
so
I'm
now
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
lead
sponsor
for
any
closing
remarks
and
then
my
other
counselors,
and
then
we
will
end
today's
working
session.
E
E
Thank
you,
of
course,
to
chief
white
hammond
to
commissioner
brezius
amazing
partners
in
this
again
in
in
11
years,
I've
never
had
a
situation
where
literally
you've
got
the
legislative
and
the
executive
branch
is
working
like
a
hand
in
glove
to
make
sure
we
can
get
this
done
and
get
this
done
right
and
it's
been
really
an
honor
for
me
to
work
with
both
of
you
and
your
teams,
a
special
shout
out
to
my
chief
of
staff,
jessica
morris,
who
has
been
my
tireless
quarterback
on
this,
so
much
so
that
she's
actually
on
vacation
today
and
has
just
spent
the
last
two
hours
not
at
the
beach
but
but
sitting
on
her
laptop
in
florida.
E
So
thank
you,
jess
for
your
great
work
and,
most
importantly,
to
all
the
advocates.
Who've
got
us
this
far
again.
This
is
nearly
two
years
in
the
making
that
folks
have
been
sitting
in
rooms
when
it
was
safe.
To
do
so
having
online
forums
putting
some
really
good
ideas
going
forward
and
we've
cut,
we
we
are
on
the
verge
of
passing,
something
that
will
be
one
of
the
most
impactful
pieces
of
environmental
legislation.
E
The
city
has
ever
seen,
and
it
is
one
that
every
week
that
passes
as
as
people
talk
about
this
as
the
media
reports
more
on
it,
I'm
getting
calls
from
from
our
counterparts
and
local
government
from
literally
across
the
country
looking
for
ways
to
emulate
this.
So
so
we
can
really
be
on
the
vanguard
here.
There
are
a
handful
of
cities
that
have
already
done
it,
but
nothing
quite
like
this,
and
I'm
just
so
grateful
for
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
cannot
wait
to
get
this
passed
again.
E
We
have
run
this
as
openly
and
transparently
as
possible
and
that
offer
still
still
stands
any
business
owners
or
industry.
Folks
that
might
have
some
questions.
Allison
myself,
the
chief
well
we're
happy
to
meet
with
you.
Allison
herself
has
offered
to
to
walk
through
what
a
potential
compliance
plan
might
look
like
for
your
building,
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can.
We
want
this
to
not
only
pass,
but
we
want
this
to
be
done
well
and
done
right
and
that's
our
commitment
to
each
and
every
one
of
you.
So
once
again,
thank
you
all.
E
It's
been
a
long
afternoon,
but
incredibly
worthwhile
afternoon.
We
will
see
you
on
thursday
evening
for
just
complete,
open
testimony
and
then
again
I
hope
to
have
another
working
session
in
relatively
short
order.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
all.
A
Thank
you
per
the
request
from
christine
o'donnell
just
to
let
folks
know
that
the
listening
session
is
not
a
formal
committee
conversation.
A
So
if
you
do
write
us,
which
some
people
have
been
writing
the
government
ops
committee,
for
we
can
give
you
the
link,
but
it
is
not
something
that
I
performed
that
the
city
council
is
formerly
chairing
and
it's
not
something
formally
that
we'll
be
taking
attendance
like
we
normally
do,
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
it'll
be
as
flexible
as
the
chief
and
the
lead
sponsor
would
like
that
conversation
to
be,
and
so
just
wanted
folks
to
know,
we
will
continue
to
give
you
the
link
if
you
write
us,
but
it
is,
it
is
a
informal,
not
a
formal
session
from
the
city
council.