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Docket #0935 - Hearing on rodent control and illegal dumping in the City of Boston
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Docket
0935
order
for
a
hearing
on
pest
control
and
illegal
dumping
in
the
city
of
boston.
The
hearing
was
sponsored
by
myself
and
city
council
liz.
The
hearing
is
being
recorded
in
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city
council
tv.
It
will
be
rebroadcast
on
comcast
channel
8,
rcn
channel
82,
verizon
1964.,
the
zoo
link
to
provide
public
testimony
for
the
hearing
can
be
found
by
emailing
shanesh,
a
e
dot
at
boston.gov.
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Please
make
sure
that
your
zoom
handle
is
your
full
name
when
you
are
called,
please
state
your
name
in
affiliation,
residence
and
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
to
ensure
all
comments
and
and
concerns
can
be
heard.
If
you
are
unable
to
provide
testimony
today,
you
may
submit
written
testimony
or
a
two-minute
video
for
our
record
by
emailing
the
committee
at
ccc
dot
cns
at
boston.gov
or
filling
out
the
form
on
our
website
within
48
hours.
G
G
It's
a
very
distressing
situation.
I
spoke
with
a
constituent
last
week
who
had
rats
in
his
home
that
had
managed
to
get
in,
and
it's
a
very
difficult
situation
to
resolve,
and
it's
it's
not
only
emotionally
distressing,
but
it's
also
a
potentially
public
health
issue.
So
I'm
really
interested
and
excited
to
hear
what
folks
have
to
say
this
morning.
Thank
you.
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B
B
Public
awareness
campaign,
outreach
about
proper
ways
of
disposing
trash
and
preventing
road
and
activities,
and
for
the
record,
I
have
worked
with
the
dedicated
city
employees
on
this
issue
and
they
are
very
professional
and
doing
a
good
job,
and
we
want
to
continue
working
with
you
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
residents
throughout
the
city.
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
ask
my
colleagues
to
offer
a
brief
opening
statement.
I
believe
counselor
bach
was
the
first
one,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
counselor
kenzie
book.
H
H
This
issue-
and
I
know
I'm
very
appreciative
on
the
block
I
happen-
to
live
in
on
a
bunch
of
neighbors
sort
of
voluntarily-
really
try
to
put
their
trash
out
as
close
to
pick
up
time
as
possible.
But
but
we
still,
you
know,
we
see
these
these
issues
and
lately
they've
been
really
increasing
in
acuity.
I
So
I've
been
dealing
closely,
obviously
with
boston
public
schools
to
either
put
some
gates
or
locks
around
those
dumpsters
to
keep
a
closer
eye
on
it.
But
I
have
to
say
to
commissioner
iris:
you
know
your
road
and
control
division
in
in
the
code
enforcement
division
has
been
super
to
deal
with
very
responsive.
You
know
whether
it's
reaching
out
to
leo
about
you
who's
on
this
call
and
just
jumps
right
into
action.
It's,
whether
you
it
could
be
bobby
chan.
I
It
could
be
john
ulrich,
even
ollie,
gray,
they're,
just
everyone's
just
throwing
the
shoulder
into
it.
So
I
appreciate
the
attention
to
detail.
I
know
how
seriously
you
guys
take
the
issue
from
a
quality
of
life
and
a
cleanliness
standpoint,
so
here
to
work
with
you
as
best
we
can,
and
obviously
you
also
have
steve
tank
luzon
here
as
well
in
in
and
even
in
captain
america.
I
So
everyone
pays
attention
to
detail
when
you
reach
out,
you
give
them
an
address,
there's
usually
a
prompt
and
appropriate
response
and
there's
good
positive
feedback
from
from
constituents,
and
hopefully
we
can
continue
to
do
that
in
leo.
Will
tell
you
it's
any
time
we're
talking.
We
immediately
talk
about
the
norwegian
rat
and
or
we're
talking
about
the
the
latest
technology
around
the
the
the
frozen
ice
stuff.
I
Sometimes
we
see
baiting
initially
right
at
the
onset
of
the
project
and
then,
as
pro
projects
languished,
they
kind
of
take
their
eye
off
the
ball
on
on
the
road
and
control
piece
of
it
and
and
then
we
start
getting
the
calls.
And
then
you
guys
start
getting
the
calls.
And
so
our
hope
is
that
on
the
private
side
of
this
house
that
will
continue
to
have
developers
maintain
you
know
a
high
level
of
standard
around
their
sort
of
road
and
control
and
abatement
processes.
B
F
F
As
we
know,
it's
not
just
around
quality
life
issues,
it's
certainly
around
serious
and
significant
significant
health
issues
and
and
the
risk
to
our
public
health
and
to
our
sanity,
so
just
happy
that
we
have
this
before
us
and
encouraged
by
those
that
are
here
to
offer
testimony
on
behalf
of
the
administration
and
the
commissioner
and
those
that
work
for
isd.
Doing
doing
these.
What
can't
be
enjoyable
work
sometimes
don't
mean
to
laugh,
because
it
is
a
serious,
serious
issue
and
one
that
we
need
to
address.
B
J
J
Certainly
other
members
of
the
team
like
steve
tankl
and
john
ulrich
and
others
that
council
flaherty
mentioned
this
is
an
important
important
topic.
While
I
don't
cover
downtown,
I
do
have
the
neighborhoods
of
roxbury
south
in
dorchester
and
fenway.
My
district
is
densely
populated
parts
of
my
district
already
have
two
trash
days
because
of
this.
J
This
history
and
the
dense
population
and
illegal
dumping,
as
well
as
rats
and
rodents,
have
been
an
ongoing
issue,
and
I
would
acknowledge,
like
many
of
you
have
already
said,
with
the
quarantine
in
covit,
there
is
just
new
behavior
with
rodents,
they're,
they're,
they're
everywhere,
and
it's
not
just
rats.
I
mean
it's
squirrels,
it's
other
kinds
of
critters.
J
If
you
travel
throughout
the
rest
of
massachusetts,
other
towns
are
dealing
with
their
equivalent,
whether
that
be
skunks
or
some
other
kind
of
of
creature,
and
so
you
know
people
the
creatures
are
out
looking
for
food
and
our
behavior
has
shifted
and
changed,
and
so
their
behavior
has
shifted
and
changed,
and
they
are
more
brazen
and
bold.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
this
hearing
and
and
figuring
out
ways
that
we
can
strategize
to
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
life
issues
in
our
city
are
being
held
up
and
that
residents
don't
have.
J
You
know
this
additional
burden
to
deal
with
during
a
very
difficult
time.
So
thank
you
again,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
administration
for
all
your
work
in
this
area
and
to
all
of
the
residents
for
their
dedication
to
their
communities.
The
other
thing
with
the
the
change
in
time
for
trash
pickup
in
my
district
and
I
know
councillor
flynn,
can
also
speak
to
this
in
the
south
end.
J
You
know
there
were
also
worries
about
whether
or
not
this
was
going
to
exacerbate
a
roadie
problem,
because
people
would
then
be
putting
their
trash
out
the
night
before
instead
of
the
morning
of
and
the
trash
is,
is
there
so
I
would
be
interested
as
we
get
this
conversation
started
as
an
update
and
whether
we've
seen
an
increase
related
to
that
shift
in
time
for
trash
delivery.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
again
to
everyone
on
the
call.
K
Thank
you,
chair
and
councilor
breeden
for
calling
this
hearing.
You
know
it's
interesting
because
I
always
talk
about.
I
always
talk
about
all
means
all,
and
all
issues
are
important
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
so
this
is
one
that
I
know,
we've
heard
a
lot
from
our
constituents
at
various
community
meetings
so
happy
to
join
the
conversation.
I
just
would
like
to
point
out
two
things.
K
So
I
just
kind
of
want
to
like
flag
that
as
another
issue
as
to
why
that
may
be,
and
I
also
always
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
give
a
shout
out
to
commissioner
irish.
We
went
to
dorchester
high
but,
more
importantly,
like
his
entire
team.
There,
I
I
would
have
to
say
you
guys,
are
always
on
it:
aisha
miller,
the
whole
squad
first
to
respond,
whether
it
be
through
facebook
text,
messages
emails,
your
team
is
on
it
when
it
comes
to
responding
to
constituent
services.
K
B
Y'all,
thank
you
councillor
mejia,
I
don't
believe
there's
any
other
city
council
is
on
just
yet
so
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
panelists
that
are
here
with
us.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
attending,
but,
more
importantly,
for
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
for
many
years
in
the
city,
including
commissioner
dion
irish
inspectional
services
leo
baucher,
also
at
inspectional
services
who's,
the
assistant
commissioner
and
steve
tankle
who's
at
code
enforcement
department
of
public
works.
B
D
Good
morning,
chairman
and
good
morning
to
all
city
councilors,
thank
you
for
your
feedback
and
also
I
want
to
just
thank
the
employees
of
inspection
services.
I
know
how
hard
they've
been
working.
It's
been
a
challenging
time
for
us
where
we've
actually
seen
an
increase
in
demand
for
our
service,
and
I
know
they're
working
tirelessly
on
this.
I
want
to
just
publicly
thank
them.
The
employees
who
have
who
have
been
responsive
to
you
and
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
that
also.
D
You
know
this
is
not
a
glamorous
issue,
but,
as
you
all
mentioned
before,
it's
a
very
important
issue.
It's
one
of
many
important
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
as
a
city.
It's
quality
of
life,
it's
public
health.
We
take
it
seriously.
The
mayor
takes
it
seriously
and
I
know
you
do,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
elevating
it
to
this
conversation
so
that
we
can
publicly
dialogue
about
it.
D
As
you
guys
have
mentioned,
this
is
not
a
new
issue.
This
is
something
that
we
are
continually
addressing.
We
have
with
me
today.
We
have
assistant
commissioner
leo
baucher
who's,
an
expert
in
this
area,
and
he
leads
a
team
of
experts.
We
have
14
and
soon
to
be
15
licensed
professionals
who
work
for
isd
who
are
who
are
dealing
with
this
issue,
beginning
at
4
a.m.
On
a
daily
basis.
D
We
have
several
shifts,
you
know,
4
a.m,
shift
for
6
a.m,
shift
and
8
a.m
shift.
So
we
can
actually
do
some
work.
That
needs
to
be
done.
Why
why,
while
folks
are
still
asleep
so
that
they
could
wake
up
to
a
safe
city,
hopefully
without
any
sightings?
But
you
know
we
understand
that
we
still
see
sightings,
but
something
that
we
continually
just
need
to
work
on.
We
have
some
core
elements
to
our
strategy.
Public
education
is
one
of
those
elements
enforcement.
D
We
we
have
a
variety
of
ways
we
do
enforcement.
We
work
along
with
code
enforcement
and
and
they'll
speak
to
the
fact
that
they're
regularly
issuing
fines
to
address
bad
behavior.
We
also
issue
violations
at
isd
that
lead
to
hearings,
administrative
hearings
and,
in
some
cases,
we'll
we'll
go
as
far
as
taking
cases
to
court,
because
we
take
this
seriously.
I
know
we
have
currently
like
18
cases
that
are
in
the
in
the
court
pipeline.
D
We
all
this
rapid
response
is
also
important
to
us.
I'm
glad
to
hear
from
you
that
we're
providing
that
proactive
prevention
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
public
education
is
a
key
part
of
it.
Whenever
we
see
an
uptick
we're
doing
leafleting
we're
doing
community
walks,
we're
doing
we're
going
door-to-door
and
we're
talking
to
residents
impacting
areas
so
that
they
could
understand
what's
going
on
and
what
steps
they
can
take
to
alleviate
the
issue
and
their
k.
Our
folks
are
also
licensed
pesticide
applicators,
as
I
mentioned
before,
sir.
D
In
some
cases
we
are
providing
on
a
very
limited
basis,
private
control
just
initially,
and
then
thereafter
we're
requiring
folks
to
have
their
own
pest
control
put
in
place,
but
on
an
ongoing
basis,
we
provide
pest
control
for
public
places.
You
know,
parks
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
I'll
leave
some
of
that
for
leo
to
talk
about
well,
we
also
enforce
the
city's
site,
cleanliness
ordinance,
which
is
which
is
also
critical,
because
controlling
the
rodent
population
is
also
is
controlling
their
food
sources.
D
You
know
removing
places
of
harboring,
so
our
site,
clean
disorders
ordinance
requires
that
any
location
that
uses
bulk
refuse
that
they
have
a
psych
cleanliness
plan,
that's
approved
by
us
to
so
we
can
ensure
the
proper
handling
and
disposal
of
of
trash
and
there's
a
case
this
morning.
On
my
way
in
ironically
when
I
was
driving
down
columbia,
road-
and
I
noticed
a
case
where
we
had
overflowing
dumpsters-
and
I'm
like
this-
is
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
address.
D
So
our
leo
was
on
it
right
away,
and
so
that
is
being
addressed,
but
I
would
encourage
folks
who
folks
are
reporting
sightings
to
us.
Those
numbers
clearly
reflect
that,
but
what
I
would
also
like
to
see
is
and
remind
folks
is
to
also
report
to
us
when
you
see
dumpsters
that
are
overflowing
when
you
see
folks
who
don't
have
proper
receptacles.
If
there's
no
covers
on
them,
if
trash
is
overflowing
in
a
residential
property,
those
all
collectively
contribute
to
to
this
type
of
issue
that
we're
trying
to
control.
D
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you,
mr
cheer
and
counselors.
I
appreciate
your
time
today.
Yeah
this
is.
This
is
a
very,
very,
very
panicky
issue.
It
evokes
panic
immediately.
You
know.
Rats
traditionally
have
been
the
horror
movie
stuff.
It's
the
things
that
frighten
folks
and,
quite
frankly,
I
am
very,
very
concerned
about
our
uptick,
but
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
of
what
we've
determined
and
dealing
with
some
of
the
specialists
that
we
speak
with
entomologists
throughout
the
country
and
other
cities.
C
So
new
york,
city,
chicago
new
orleans
dc
seattle
and
the
united
kingdom
are
some
examples
of
cities
and
countries
and
nations
that
are
experiencing
an
uptick.
What's
what
happened
was
a
perfect
storm.
We
had
this
awful
coven
begin
and
the
quarantines
began
in
march
at
the
same
time
as
that
occurred
spring,
is
a
breeding
season
for
rodents.
C
So
now
now
the
rodents
are
breathing
during
that
particular
time,
and
you
compound
that
with
the
fact
that
we've
eliminated
all
the
commercial
trash
that
they're
accustomed
to
eating
that
commercial
trash
has
reverted
back
to
the
neighborhood.
So
most
of
you,
folks
who
are
on
this
call
probably
reverted
to
take
out
food
and
things
of
that
nature,
as
opposed
to
going
to
the
supermarket.
C
You
know
people
are
using
door
dash
and
ubereats.
I
know
my
nephew's
making
a
fortune
delivering
burger
king
food.
For
example,
all
of
those
changes
and
practices
resulted
in
the
trash
being
removed
from
the
commercial
areas
into
more
heavily
residential
areas.
So,
once
again,
as
folks
said,
the
rats
were
starting
to
migrate
towards
where
their
food
source
was
one
of
one
of
the
big
misconceptions
and
one
of
the
scary
things
that
is
always
always
publicized
is
that
rats
are
more
aggressive.
C
It's
very,
very,
very
critical
that
we
understand
they're,
more
aggressive
towards
each
other,
not
more
aggressive
towards
humans.
That's
a
very
important
fact
to
get
out
there.
We
deal
with
an
entomologist
bobby
corrigan,
who's
internationally
known
he's
based
in
new
york.
We've
had
him
to
boston
several
times
and
he's
done
different
projects
with
us,
and
he
is
very
very
adamant
about
the
fact
that
the
the
word
is
getting
out
there.
The
rodents
are
becoming
aggressive,
they're
becoming
aggressive
towards
each
other,
because
they're
fighting
for
that
same
piece
of
food.
C
So
that's
a
critical
component
that
folks
definitely
need
to
do
and
they
definitely
need
to
understand
so.
We've
changed
that
and
in
addition
to
that,
as
we
can
all
attest
to,
we've
had
some
incredibly
mild
winters,
so
the
kill-off
that
we
normally
get
during
the
seasonal
times
was
reduced
and
as
a
result,
we
did
get
an
increased
population.
C
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
the
history,
illegal
storage,
so
steve
steve
will
deal
with
a
lot
of
the
illegal
dumping
of
legal
storage.
We
was
fortunate
enough
to
work
with
steve
at
code
enforcement
and
we're
we're
both
on
the
same
page.
Shall
we
say
as
far
as
the
code
enforcement
action
goes,
but
the
storage
issues
are
critical
as
well.
C
What's
happened
is
you
know,
you've
got
a
lot
of
folks
who
don't
particularly
care
how
they
place
their
trash
out,
throwing
that
recycle
bit,
recycle
material
out
with
two
slices
of
pizza
left
in
it
throwing
remnants
of
food
out.
You
know
not
not
closing
their
covers
in
their
dumpsters
or
the
barrels.
All
of
those
things
result
in
food
for
rodents
and,
as
I
always
tell
folks
rodents,
don't
don't
need
filet
mignon,
they
don't
need
spring
water.
C
You
know
a
small,
a
small
puddle
and
some
scraps
will
suffice
for
a
food
source,
so
it's
very
critical
that
we
focus
on
that
as
well,
making
sure
that
people
are
putting
their
trash
storing
their
trash
properly.
Very,
very
big,
big
piece
of
the
puzzle
in
addition
to
that,
the
illegal
dumping
issues
that
steve
steve
will
get
into
in
much
more
detail.
C
Illegal
dumping
is
not
an
issue
in
in
the
residential
areas.
As
far
as
barrels
and
things
of
that
nature,
it's
as
consular
flaherty
alluded
to.
You
know
the
bha
and
the
bps
are
experiencing
folks
going
into
their
areas
and
dumping
in
the
dumpsters
and
that
type
of
thing.
So
that's
the
big
illegal
dumping
piece.
C
C
So
if
the
property
next
to
you
disrepair
and
you've
got
road
activity,
we
as
a
city
will
make
the
commitment
to
assist
you,
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
because
folks
shouldn't
have
to
suffer
because
the
neighbors
not
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
It's
ironic
in
a
lot
of
situations
we're
finding
now
the
guys
are
guys
are
much
more
diligent.
As
far
as
getting
good
constituent
contact,
one
of
the
biggest
things
you
can
tell
your
constituents.
C
This
is
huge
and
we
do
it
every
time
we
do
a
walk
every
time
we
do
an
education
and
if
they
see
it,
they
see
a
rat.
Where
did
it
go
to
and
where
did
it
go
from?
If
you
don't
have
that
information,
that's
fine
one
one
or
the
other.
Will
suffice,
you
know:
are
there
traffic
trash
issues
that
rat's
probably
running
from
where
it's
living
to
a
food
source
so
that
that
would
be
the
general
travel
they
live
within
150
feet
of
where
they
eat?
C
I
I
think
they
branched
out,
shall
we
say,
because
obviously
the
food
sources
aren't
as
available,
but
that's
very,
very
critical.
That
folks
do
that
and
the
other
thing
is.
I
encourage
people
three
one,
one,
three
one,
one,
three
one
one.
If
I'm
out
in
the
neighborhood
working
on
a
complaint,
and
I
see
a
problem
at
an
adjacent
property-
I
put
it
at
the
3-1-1,
because
that
3-1-1
complaint
automatically
gets
generated
to
isd
and
automatically
goes
into
my
queue
of
complaints.
So
I
could
put
that
in
there
it's
it's
the
old
way.
C
It's
your
way
of
walking
around
counseling
not
to
not
to
go
back
in
the
old
days,
but
your
father
always
used
to
tell
me
when
I
started
in
city
government
makes
you
have
a
pen
and
a
piece
of
paper.
So
that's
how
we
used
to
do
that
now
we
do
it
electronically.
We
punch
it
into
three
one
one.
We
put
all
the
pertinent
information
in
there
when
we
get
back
to
the
office.
It's
it's
already
in
the
queue
and
ready
to
go
to
the
inspector.
C
We
call
the
inspector
immediately,
but
we've
got
that
complaint
recorded,
and
that
is
important.
It's
another
reason
why
I
think
our
numbers
are
up.
Our
numbers
would
be
up
anyway
because
of
all
the
environmental
factors,
but
I
think
folks
are
starting
to
use
311
much
more
frequently,
and
I
encourage
that.
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
number
of
complaints
and
the
one
thing
the
other.
C
C
I've
got
addresses
with
10
and
12
complaints,
but
in
actuality,
we're
working
on
the
same
complaint,
so
we're
doing
some
things
electronically.
In
order
to
deal
with
that,
commissioner-
and
I
and
kelly
mackey
with
rit
folks
have
talked
about
that.
That's
another
big
piece,
but
3-1-1
is
a
huge,
huge
source
for
all
of
us.
It's
a
great
tracking
mechanism
and
it's
a
great
way
for
people
to
get
their
complaint
in
there
and
for
us
to
answer
it,
and
the
last
piece
is-
and
mr
corrigan
said
this
as
well-
people
are
home.
C
That's
characteristic
across
the
city,
people
working
from
home,
you're,
more
likely
to
know,
what's
going
on
in
your
neighborhood
you're,
starting
to
realize
more
and
more,
what's
going
on
your
neighborhood,
so
it's
actually
actually
a
good
thing.
In
some
cases
it
works
out
very
well
but
p.
I
think
people
have
been
very,
very
helpful.
As
far
as
you
know,
giving
us
that
information.
I
had
a
great
walk
with
councillor
breeden.
We
would
we're
down
on
lower
allston
nice
job,
counselor,
counselor,
founder,
a
source
of
rat
activity
or
back
alley.
C
So
you
know,
commissioner,
if
we're
looking
to
add
a
body.
I
I
think
we
have
our
candidate.
That
was
excellent
and
the
consulate
council
has
got
a
great
rapport
with
the
people
down
there.
So
we've
developed
some
pretty
good
relationships
and
we
have
a
landlord
down
there
who
owns
multiple
properties
on
one
of
the
private
ways
down
there.
We've
got
that
landlord
in
the
queue
that
landlord's
replacing
a
dumpster
and
doing
all
the
things
that
we
do.
But
it's
a
collective
effort
and
the
last
thing
I'd
like
to.
C
Multilingual
efforts,
absolutely
construct
so
construction
is,
is
a
big
big
component
of
rodent
activity,
but
it's
a
big
component
at
the
beginning,
particularly
at
the
beginning,
but
as
council
of
flaherty
once
again
said,
we've
been
monitoring
construction
sites
a
little
more
frequently
so
excavation
could
cause
an
uptick
in
rodent
activity.
It
doesn't
cause
neuronal
activity,
but
it
uproots
them.
It
moves
them
from
their
home
new
water
and
sewer
lines.
C
Obviously
you
know
ruins
drones
live
in
the
sewer
system,
so
new
water
and
sewer
lines.
Things
of
that
nature
can
in
fact
cause
an
uptick
in
activity.
Our
inspectors
have
become
much
more
diligent
and
we've
become
much
more
critical
of
road
and
control
plans
for
construction
projects
across
the
city.
We've
gone
out
to
sites
and
seen
inadequate
pest
control,
two
bait
stations
on
a
site
where
they're
building
a
12-unit
building,
so
we've
asked
them
to
up
their
pest
control.
C
Now
this
is
the
city
ordinance
requires
anybody
who
applies
for
lawn
form
short
form
demo
test
borings
test
pits,
all
of
those
things
right
require
a
sign
off
and
our
rodent
control
division.
So
that
means
they
need
to
come
into
the
department
or
obviously,
now
do
it
electronically
provide
your
own
control
information
and
an
inspector
goes
out
and
does
an
inspection
prior
to
construction
or
at
the
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
construction
that
that
ordinance
has
been,
in
effect
for
quite
a
while.
C
It's
a
very,
very
good
tool
for
us
to
address
any
type
of
construction.
Related
road
control
and
the
other
pieces
also
allows
us
to
put
it
on
those
construction
companies
that,
if,
in
fact
or
even
a
private
homeowner
who's
doing
their
work,
if,
in
fact,
their
project
is
causing
rodent
activity,
they're
required
to
assist.
C
C
I
am
probably
the
most
fortunate
manager
in
city
government
to
have
such
a
dedicated
group
of
people
as
counselor
wasabi
george
said
they
do
things
that
people
don't
really
like
to
do.
They
do
them
better
than
anybody.
Naturally,
that's
been
we've
been
lauded
nationally
for
many
many
years
as
having
one
of
the
better
own
control
programs
in
the
country.
That
being
said,
we
can
always
get
better.
We
can
always
do
better,
but
we're
as
good
as
our
staff.
Our
inspectors
are
dedicated
professionals.
C
They
do
their
job
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
they're
creative.
They
do
aggressive
enforcement
when
they
have
to
and
they
work
with
a
constituent
with
a
soft
shoe
if
they
have
to
as
well.
Communication
is
the
key
across
the
board.
If
we
all
communicate,
you
know,
as
as
our
constituents
and
as
our
city,
employees
and
city
councils,
if
we
communicate
between
one
another,
I
think
we
can
probably
knock
this
problem.
C
B
B
Okay,
we'll
wait
for
steve,
we'll
get
to
steve
when
he
comes
back
on
at
this
time.
I'm
going
to
ask
my
colleagues
to
ask
questions
to
the
the
panelists,
but
before
I
do
that,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
pianist
for
providing
excellent
information.
It's
informative,
it's
helpful,
and
I
know
neighbors
across
the
city,
will
be
educated
and
know
that
this
public
health
issue,
this
quality
of
life
issue,
is
being
addressed
by
real
professionals.
That
know
this
subject
very
well.
B
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
chancellor
flynn.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
irish,
and
thank
you
leo.
I
did
enjoy
our.
I
called
it
our
little
rat
safari
that
we
did
down
in
austin,
and
I
learned
so
much
about
how
you
look
at
the
situation
and
figure
out
what
the
problems
are.
You
are
a
professional
and
I
learned
so
much
about
the
issues
that
contribute
to
rodent
activity
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
It
was
very
enlightening.
G
C
Yes,
there
is
console
so
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
construction
project.
As
I
said
prior
anybody
who
pulls
a
short
form
demo.
Anybody
who
pulls
an
alt
permit
a
wrecked
permit.
Any
lawn
form
requires
a
rodent
control
sign
off,
so
the
process
and
procedure
would
be
at
the
inception
of
the
project
they
would
have
to
come
in.
They
have
to.
They
have
to
submit
that
pest
control
report
and
their
level
of
service
to
us
prior
to
the
permit
being
issued,
so
the
permit
can't
be
issued
if
there's
existing
road
and
activity.
C
Once
again,
as
I
said,
it
can
certainly
create
an
uptick.
The
construction
can
create
an
uptick,
but
once
again
we
we
do
require
them
to
maintain
that
level
of
pest
control
throughout
the
project.
That
being
said,
we're
not
there
every
day,
but
if,
in
fact,
there
is
an
uptick
and
we
do
get
a
complaint,
there
are
different
things
that
we
can
do.
We
can
incorporate
the
building
department
into
the
process
as
well
and
let
the
building
department
know
we're
experiencing
an
uptick
in
road
control,
road
activity.
C
We
need
to
reach
out
to
the
contractor.
Let
them
know
that
this
is
what
we
expect.
We
do
that
as
well,
because
they
provide
a
contact
name
and
number
at
the
beginning
of
the
project.
So
that's
the
person
that
we're
required
to
when
that's
the
person
that
we
will
deal
with
throughout.
But
there
are,
there
are
multiple
sanctions
that
we
can
impose,
including
the
building
department,
taking
a
good
long
peek
at
it.
G
Very
good,
thank
you,
that's
good,
and
are
there
particular
regulations
about
the
number
of
bins
that
are
required
for
a
household?
You
know,
I
think,
as
you
said,
we're
generating
a
lot
more
trash
because
we're
living
at
home
these
days.
But
you
know
I
do
know
in
our
neighborhood.
There
are
households
with
a
lot
of
folks
and
the
track
line.
The
landlord
is
not
doesn't
seem
to
be
providing
enough
trash
receptacles.
Is
there
a
particular
number
that
is
required
or
recommendation.
L
C
Large
enough
are
numerous
enough
to
contain
the
trash
up
to
the
time
of
collection,
so
that
is
a
violation
of
the
state
sanitary
code
if
in
fact,
they're
not
providing
enough
receptacles,
we
can't
issue
a
violation
for
that.
It's,
as
I
said,
it's
a
violation
of
the
state
sanitary
code
with
regard
to
trash
storage.
So
absolutely
there's
a
specific,
not
a
specific
number,
but
there's
a
specific
regulation
that
governs
that.
G
That's
good
to
know,
thank
you,
and
the
other
thing
is
I.
I
was
doing
a
little
background
research
and
I
was
reading
about
rats
and
parks
in
new
york
and
they
were
they
were
lauding.
The
effectiveness
of
a
big
belly
compressoring
trash
bin-
and
I
don't
know
what
your
thoughts
are
on
on
that
particular
approach
to
helping
with
our
trash
disposal.
C
So
it's
funny,
I
received
an
email
a
couple
weeks
ago
from
one
of
the
sales
folks
from
big
belly.
I'm
the
wrong
person
to
send
it
to
that
being
said,
they
can
be
effective,
but
they
they
lod
them
as
rodent-proof
receptacles
they're,
not
rats
can't
get
into
a
hole
the
size
of
a
quarter.
They
could
chew
through
concrete
they
can.
They
can
find
their
little
nooks
and
crannies
and
if
those,
if
those
big
bellies
aren't
maintained,
they're
very,
very
expensive,
to
maintain
and
repair.
C
So
in
some
instances
they
could
be
effective.
I'm
not
saying
they're,
not
they're,
not
effective,
but
I
think
the
company
is
in
the
middle
of
a
big
marketing
piece
right
now
and
I
I
knew
that
right
away
as
soon
as
I
got
the
email
and
the
content
of
the
email,
the
good
thing
about
the
big,
fellas
and
steve,
you
might
know
a
little
bit
more
in
the
the
public
works.
But
good
thing
is,
you
know
you
can
monitor
them
electronically.
C
G
H
H
I
know
that
there's
been
an
increase
in
residential
trash
during
the
pandemic
and
so
the
earlier
start
times
helpful
to
the
cruise.
I
was
wondering
if
there's
any
prospect
of
like
a
tracker
or
something
that
allows
people
to
kind
of
know
when
the
trash
trucks
are
actually
gonna
roll
through
their
neighborhood,
because
one
of
the
things
I've
heard
from
people,
especially
those
working
from
home,
is
you
know
if
there
was
that
technological
capacity,
they
would
just
hold
it
and
put
their
trash
out.
H
C
So,
council,
that
would
be
more
of
a
public
works,
related
question.
Public
works
overseas,
the
trash
collection
for
the
city.
That
being
said,
I
mean
at
the
quite
frankly
I'm
a
I'm
a
545
guy,
so
I
put
my
trash
out
in
the
morning
only
because
I'm
a
firm
believer
in
the
fact
that
it's
a
it's
a
proven
fact
that
the
less
time
the
trash
is
on
the
street
the
better.
So
I
know
I
I
don't.
C
I
don't
know
the
particulars,
but
I'm
you're
kind
of
in
an
area
where
I
I
don't
quite
frankly
oversee
that
that
department,
but
I
I
do
it
in
the
morning
and
I'm
a
big
morning
person
as
far
as
dress
goes.
We
encourage
folks
if
they
can,
to
put
it
out,
put
it
out
at
that
time
in
the
morning,
because
it's
as
as
it's
starting
to
get
light
out,
our
friends
are
starting
to
go
back
to
sleep.
We
hope
you
know.
C
H
Yeah
and
I'll
take
it
up
which,
if
I
was
good,
I
just
think
yeah,
I'm
also
I'm
actually
a
6
a.m.
Once
you
hear
the
trash
truck,
I
can
still
get
downstairs
out
of
bed
that
way,
but,
but
I
just
I
do
think
it's
pretty.
It's
obvious
that
pushing
it
back
in
or
an
hour
earlier,
just
makes
that
that
much
harder
for
a
lot
of
people,
so
I'll
follow
up
with
him.
On
that,
I
guess
one
question
I
have
for
you
is
you
know?
H
How
do
you
guys
approach-
and
maybe
you
covered
this
when
you
were
out
with
counselor
braden,
but
recently
I've
had
a
number
of
situations
where
there's
really
rats
up
and
down
a
whole
alleyway
and
obviously
the
tricky
thing
is
like
you.
Don't
you
don't
sort
of
want
to
solve
one
property
on
the
alleyways
problem,
just
to
push
them
down
to
another,
so
I'd
love
to
understand
kind
of
how
you
guys
deal
with
those
larger
those
larger
swaths
like
that.
C
We
that's
that's
one
of
the
most
important
concepts
of
road
control
going
out
to
going
out
to
a
complaint
that
one
address
and
dealing
with
that
one
address
doesn't
resolve
your
problem.
So
if
it's,
if
it's
a
problem
on
the
street
you're
inspecting
all
the
addresses,
it's
a
problem
in
the
alley,
you're
inspecting
the
whole
alley
and
anywhere
around
them
anywhere
that
you
think
that
rat
activity
may
be
emanating
from
you
have
to
do
a
complete
inspection
of
that
entire
area.
C
So
if,
if
this
is
a
particular
alley
council,
please
email
it
to
me
of
my
guys
who
go
up
there
if
it's
a
public
alley.
If
it's
a
public
alley,
we'll
bait
the
public
alley,
the
city,
the
city
will
do
public
wave
baiting.
So
we
made
we
bait
those
problems.
Those
problem
calls
you
get
about
parks.
We
get.
Those
problem,
calls
that
there's
a
hole
in
the
sidewalk
light
poles.
Sometimes
a
light
pole
has
a
burrow
in
it
or
a
tree
pit
on
the
street.
H
H
So
much
for
that-
and
my
last
question
is
just
in
terms
of
the
regulations
I
know
recently:
we've
had
also
code
enforcement's
help
with
removing
some
excess
empty
dumpsters
that
were
just
becoming
a
dumping
ground,
and
this
was
in
the
fenway,
but
we
have
had
issues
with
dumpsters
where
we,
where
we
can't
get
a
landlord
to
add
a
lid
to
them,
and
I'm
just
wondering
whether
there's
a
rule
about
them
having
to
have
a
cover.
That's
securable.
On
top.
C
So
every
every
receptacle
every
receptacle
is
required
to
have
tight
fitting
covers
that's
a
dumpster
a
barrel.
We
do
in
a
lot
of
situations.
Is
we'll
encourage
folks
to
use
the
barrels
with
the
attached.
Lids
makes
it
much
easier,
particularly
if
you're
a
landlord
makes
it
much
easier
for
your
tenants
to
flip
the
lid
open
and
flip
the
lid
closed.
C
That
being
said,
I
mean
we
were
all
21
at
one
time
and
it's
not
not
as
responsible
as
we
should
be,
but
I
we
we
encourage
that,
but
they're
required
to
have
tight
fitting
covers
on
any
receptacle.
That's
a
dumpster!
That's
the
trash
caddy!
That's
a
barrel!
That's
a
recycle
bin.
All
of
them
are
required
to
have
tight
fitting
covers
so
and
if
it's
a
dumpster,
a
bulk,
refuse
receptacle,
we
can
issue
a
cycluminous
warning
and
then
a
violation.
C
B
I
Thank
you,
chairman
flynn,
to
to
to
leo
voucher
leo.
You
had
mentioned
that
you
believe
that
there's
a
there's
been
an
increase
in
the
population
due
to
kind
of
the
last
couple
of
mile
winters
do
do
we
have
any
idea
or
a
ballpark
estimate
as
to
how
many
rats
or
particularly
norwegian
rats,
we
have
in
boston
in
the
thousands
any
idea
not.
C
Even
not
even
a
clue,
but
most
most
folks,
don't
do
that.
The
entomologists
can
do
that.
I
can
reach
out
to
somebody
that
can
do
a
calculation
on
that
we
we
focus
on
locations,
counselor
focus
on
the
on
the
causative
effects,
but
it's
actually
it's
actually
not
a
not
a
bad
project
right
now,
so
I
will
definitely
reach
out
and
get
a
number.
If
I
can,
our
proposed
number.
I
I
guess
so
it's
probably
easy
to
measure
what
we
can
see
when
they're
up
up
and
out
visible,
but
I
got
to
assume
that
there's
a
lot
of
activity
that
that
we
don't
see
or
is
so
it
goes
undetected
or
unreported
and
just
curious
as
to
what
what
that
number
is
compared
to
other
cities.
And
if,
for
me,
it
would
be
important
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
staying
ahead
of
it
and
or
you
know
we're
putting
a
dent
in
it.
But
and
then
maybe
just
talk
to
you
and
I
have
talked
about
it.
I
Maybe
more
for
the
identification
of
my
colleagues
is,
is
just
that
the
dry
ice
and
that
technology
that's
available,
and
you
know
how
we're
using
it.
I
know
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
snag
early
on
with
respect
to
whether
I
don't
know
it
was
claims
of
propriety,
ship
or
or
if
it
was.
There
was
some
litigation
I
think
ensued,
but
I
know
that
it's
an
effective
tool
for
us,
particularly
for
the
for
the
rats
that
are
borrowed.
C
C
C
It
can
be
buried
into
the
burrows
and
it
emanates
through
the
burrow
system
and,
quite
frankly,
it
euthanizes
the
rats
in
the
burrow
system.
So
we
started
we
started
to
do
it
and
we
used
it
very
heavily.
So,
at
the
time
at
the
time
we
started
the
price.
The
price
for
us
to
to
buy
50
pounds
of
dry
ice
was
25
bucks,
which
wasn't
a
bad
day.
C
That
said,
it
was
being
used
as
a
pesticide
and
because
it
was
being
used
as
a
pesticide
it
needed
to
be
registered,
so
it
became
registered
the
only
company
that
has
a
registration
for
it.
They
call
it
rat
ice
now.
No
different
chemical
compound
nothing's
changed
is
bell
labs,
so
for
us
to
use
dry
ice,
we
have
to
purchase
labels
from
a
pesticide
company
univar
up
in
woburn
who
the
who's
the
only
local
vendor.
C
C
What
we've
done
is
we've
got
an
inspector
who
fortunately
lives
close
enough
to
woburn
that
he
can
pick
up
the
stickers
he'll
bring
the
stickers
in
and
my
early
morning,
crew
will
go
down
and
pick
up
the
dry
ice,
so
we're
going
to
start
using
it
heavily
again
in
the
public
parks.
First,
common
public
garden
and
the
difference
between
the
dry
ice
and
the
poison
is
there's
no
chance
of
residual
residual
poison.
So
a
dog
can't
dig
it
up
a
cat
can't
dig
it
up.
Another
animal
can't
take
it
out.
C
It
stays
in
the
borough
system
so
that
it's
being
applied
in
the
borough
system
completely
and
just
to
give
you
a
little
background,
we
did
an
experiment.
When
we
first
started
in
a
cemetery
in
boston,
we
did
10
boroughs
with
poison.
We
did
10
barrels
with
dry
ice
of
the
10
boroughs
with
poison
seven
reopened
of
the
ten
boroughs
of
dry
ice
three
reopened.
C
We
did
a
second
application
of
dry
ice
and
the
burrows
didn't
open.
Again.
We
did
a
second
application
of
poison
and
three
opened.
So
it's
very
effective.
It's
very
effective,
but
what's
happened
is,
and
I
don't
know
how
it
happened.
It's
way
up
way
above
my
pay
grade
on
the
federal
level
bell.
Labs
has
the
license
for
it
and
we
have
to
use
those
two
vendors.
I
So
it's
exciting
to
hear
that
we're
sort
of
back
on
track
with
the
dry
ice
and
again
huge
tool
for
us.
So
that's
good
stuff.
So
I
appreciate
the
the
the
intel
on
that
leo
and
obviously
hopefully
that
was
helpful
to
my
colleagues
to
know
that
we
have.
We
have
this
available,
it's
a
great
tool
to
to
go
along
with
some
of
the
other
stuff
that
we
have
in
the
arsenal
to
to
combat
road
manifestation,
so
good
stuff.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
No
other
questions.
B
Thank
thank
you.
Council
flaherty.
Before
we
get
to
counselor
sabi
george,
I
know
steve
tankel
is
on
the
on
the
call
he's
with
public
works.
We
just
wanted
to
give
him
an
opportunity
to
give
an
opening
statement,
because,
though
some
of
our
questions
may
be
relating
to
public
works,
steve
are
you
on.
A
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
look
forward
to
steve's
testimony
because
I'm
sure
that
he
has
a
lot
to
add,
especially
based
on
his
long
experience
here
at
the
city.
I
have
found
this
morning's
presentation
so
far,
very
informative,
didn't
sort
of
think.
I
could
learn
this
much
about
rats
and
motor
control
and
all
that.
F
So
just
you
know,
for
me
it's
been
more
of
an
education
and
again
you
know
how
do
we
in
figuring
out
the
best
way
for
us
as
a
city,
to
respond
to
both
the
quality
of
life,
concerns
and
issues
that
the
growing
rat
population
and
rodent
population
in
particular,
have
on
our
city
and
on
our
residents?
But
you
know
really
to
better
understand
the
public
health
issues
and
the
public
health
concerns
that
a
growing
population
might
have
so
just
you
know.
For
me
there
are
no
questions.
F
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
go
out
of
order.
Counselor
flynn.
I
really
do
appreciate
it
and
want
to
just
thank
president
council
janey
too
for
allowing
me
to
go,
and
I
have
a
12
o'clock,
but
I
am
curious
just
really
quick
in
terms
of
just
language
access
and
whether
or
not
the
the
information
that
we're
communicating
is.
Oh,
you
know.
My
question
is
always
all
about
interpretation
and
how
we're
engaging
folks
who
don't
speak,
english.
K
I
think
they
also
have
a
responsibility
in
that,
and
I'm
also
curious
about
the
number
of
trash
cans
that
are
in
neighborhoods.
I
I've
seen
in
certain
neighborhoods.
There
are
more
trash
cans
than
others,
and
so
and
I've
seen
you
know
trash
just
pile
up.
So
I'm
just
curious
about
what
we're
doing
to
add
more
trash
barrels
in
in
certain
spaces
and
then
just
to
go
bouncing
off
of
counselor
box
comment
about
the
tracker.
K
And
I
know
we're
talking
about
rodents
and
rats,
but
I'm
also
curious
about
mice
and
I'm
going
to
assume
that
the
mice
are
also
part
of
the
rodent
situation,
because
sometimes
they
come
into
your
house
and
just
curious
about
whether
or
not
you've
heard
anything
in
regards
to
mice
or
is?
Are
you
guys
just
when
you
talk
about
rats
you're,
also
including
the
mice
and
the
ones
that
are
co-habitating
in
people's
homes?.
K
D
M
L
B
K
B
J
J
Did
we
see
an
increase
of
rodents?
You
know
this
is
a
a
big
challenge
for
for
all
of
us,
and
I
I
also
heard
comments
of
an
increase
on
illegal
dumping
and
that
you
know
school
buildings
that
have
dumpsters
that
are
not
being
used
and
people
are
coming
to
dumb
stuff.
But
illegal
dumping
has
been
a
big
issue
in
my
district
pre-covered.
J
So
there
are,
there
are
empty
lots
that
I
have
in
my
district,
I'm
sure
others
around.
There
are
other
counselors
that
could
talk
about
their
districts
as
well,
but
these
empty
lots
can
often
be
a
magnet
for
illegal
dumping
and
not
you
know
someone
taking
their
garbage
bag
and
putting
it
inside
of
a
dumpster
but
literally
leaving
whatever
whether
it's
tires,
whether
it's
old
computers
or
televisions,
whether
it's
their
own
personal
trash.
J
That
has
been
an
ongoing
issue,
and
I
just
wonder
I
know-
we've
been
speaking
a
lot
talking
about
the
rhoden
situation,
which
is
really
important.
I
wonder
if
we
could
spend
a
little
bit
of
time,
and
maybe
mr
tankle
will
will
speak
to
this
issue.
I
know
we've
been
working
with
him
around
the
the
lots
in
my
district
and
the
illegal
dumping
that
happens
there,
but
I
just
wonder
if
we
could
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
on
that
issue
as
well.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
C
Councillor
I'll
take
the
question
about
the
times
so
counselor
jd,
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
talked
about
earlier,
was
the
fact
that
the
less
time
trash
is
on
the
street,
the
better.
That's
my
biggest
piece
so
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
what
transpired.
As
far
as
the
collection
times
go,
we
we
spend
more
time
dealing
with
the
private
properties
and
and
how
they
store
their
trash.
That
being
said,
trash
place
down,
the
street
does
cause
rodents
and
we
have
had
areas
where
we've
gone.
C
To
that
you
know
the
bags
are
chewed
and
things
like
that
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods.
We
don't
have
places
where
people
can
put
barrels
and
receptacles,
so
they
place
their
trash
on
plastic
bags.
That's
a
perfect
food
source
as
well.
I
I
could
I'll
do
a
little
bit
of
digging
I'll
go
back
I'll,
go
back
a
little
further
in
the
year
to
see.
If
I
can
figure
out,
if,
if
the
numbers
changed
at
all.
H
J
I
was
excited
it's
funny
that
counselor
brock
mentioned
in
her
questions
a
tracker
because
I
was
think
today
is
trash
day.
No
actually
it
was
yesterday
see.
This
is
why
I
need
a
tracker.
I've
got
mondays
and
thursdays
this
trash
day,
and
one
thing
I
was
thinking
about
is
oh
it'd,
be
great
to
know
when
they're
actually
coming,
even
though
you're
going
to
put
it
in
a
barrel.
J
You
know
the
barrels.
Some
of
these
rodents
are
very
advanced.
In
fact,
I
don't
know,
some
of
them
might
not
even
be
rodents.
I
don't
know
what
you
call
the
raccoons,
but
they
have
the
hands
and
they
can
open
this
stuff
up.
So
that
would
be
helpful.
Can
you
speak
to
the
illegal
dumping
issue
that
is
beyond
like
school
dumpsters,
but
really
the
stuff
that
we
see?
I
saw
a
church
member
from
a
church
near
my
house,
at
the
corner
of
my
street.
Walk
from
that
church.
J
C
So
if
that
building
is
zoned
as
a
church,
they're
required
they're
required
to
secure
private
pickup
and
that's
what
they're
not
they're,
not
eligible
for
city
pickup,
so
that
happens,
I
mean
we've
had
we've
had
issues
where
and
if,
if
steve
is
still
on,
he
can
attest
to
this.
We've
had
issues
where
folks
would
come
over
the
border
for
milton
and
other
towns
and
newton
newton
on
the
other
side
and
put
their
trash
out
for
a
trash
collection.
You
know
one
of
the
huge
problems
steve
are
you
still
on.
C
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
overspeak
for
code
enforcement,
I'm
just
talking
about
it
from
from
our
perspective
that
trash
coming
in
is
it
doesn't
make
our
job
any
easier,
because
now
we've
got
somebody
else's
household
trash
coming
in
and
adding
to
our
pile
so
to
speak,
but
it
is
that
is
illegal
dumping.
It's
a
violation
of
the
city
ordinance
for
lumping
and
our
code
enforcement
would
oversee
that.
C
D
D
D
Would
defer
to
steve
on
that?
But
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
it
does
all
of
that,
but
it
does
at
least
depend
on
give
you
a
trash
thing,
but
I
also
would
want
to
say
there
was
a
question
earlier
about
311
complaints.
They
they
that
data
is
available
on
three-on-one
complaints.
I
believe
it's
it's
an
open
data
source,
that's
available
to
the
public.
B
B
No
okay,
before
I
open
it
up
before
I
open
it
up
to
the
next
panel.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
comments.
Maybe,
commissioner
and
leo,
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
take
taken
up,
take
an
opportunity
to
respond
received.
A
question
from
scott
in
the
south
end
reached
out
to
me
reported
there's
a
lot
of
rats
in
on
pembroke
and
tremont
street
area,
the
south
end,
but
he
he
mentioned
when
the
case
is
closed
on,
I
believe
3-1-1.
C
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
specific
address,
because
that's
if
that's
that's
happening,
I
mean
one
of
the
big
issues
is:
if,
if
the
violation
was
corrected
either
a
they
didn't
fight,
they
should
be
putting
no
violation
if
they
didn't
find
a
violation.
If
the
violation
is
corrected,
that
means
that
the
violation
doesn't
exist.
So
let
me
let
me
take
a
look
at
that.
Counselor
is
that
a
specific
address
just
depend.
I
I.
B
Worked
with
you
and
worked
with
your
team
in
public
works
on
collapsible
bins
in
the
south
end
last
year,
I
think
was
with
eighth
street
neighborhood
association,
michael
holman.
We
had
a
pilot
pilot
program,
but
residents
of
downtown
areas
have
no
space
for
a
trash
barrel,
so
they
had
to
put
trash
directly
outside
and
then
obviously
rodents
would
pick
at
it,
but
the
collapsible
bins
are
lightweight
can
be
folded
up
stored
inside,
so
residents
can
put
trash
inside
instead
of
just
putting
it
directly
outside
again.
B
I
remember
working
with
you
and
michael
and
steve
fox
is
with
us,
and
I
believe
I
believe,
steve
tanker.
We
had
coffee
in
the
south
end.
I
was
wondering
what
the
results
were
from
that
from
that
pilot
and
if
it
can
be
expanded
from
a
certain
neighborhood
and
maybe
expand
it
to
more
more
neighborhoods
in
the
in
the
city.
A
B
B
A
A
A
We
educate
as
far
as
the
illegal
dumping-
and
I
believe
leo
touched
on
that
also
we
have
a
lot
of
areas
where
what's
considered
illegal
dumping
is
when
somebody
brings
it
purposely
from
another
location
and
drops
it
off
within
the
city
boundaries,
whether
it
be
a
school
other
facilities
that
the
city
owns
and
manages
those
are
considered
illegal
dumping.
A
lot
of
the
misconception
is
that
number
20
such
and
such
street
puts
it
right
next
door
at
number
22
such
and
such
street.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
steve
and
steve.
I
know
I
work
with
you
with
in
the
the
the
member
of
the
piano.
That's
going
to
be
on
next
is
mary
chen
from
the
asian
american
citizens
association,
and
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
along
with
eric
prentice.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
steve
for
your
great
work
as
well
illegal
jumping
to
I.
B
He
dropped
off
his
old
wood
right
in
right
on
hudson
street
and
and
I
couldn't
see
his
pla
license
plate,
so
I
had
to
chase
him
through
through
the
south
end
and
chinatown.
I
couldn't
catch
him.
It
went
right
up
into
the
highway,
but
I'm
wondering
how
often
do
we
have
illegal
dumping
taking
place
and
what
is
what
is
the
fine
stephen.
A
So
we
can
see
who
did
it
maybe
get
a
plate
number
truck
car,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
then
we'll
issue
the
appropriate
fines
out
for
an
officer
gone
there
and
verified
that
it
did
in
fact
take
place,
but
without
that,
if
we
do
not
find
anything
on
site
indicating
where
or
who
it
may
have
came
from,
he
just
threw
it
tied
and
then
we'd
call
it
in
to
get
it
removed.
If
it's
on
our
property,
if
it's
on
state
property
we'd
reach
out
to
them
and
have
them
revolve
it.
But
it's
it's.
A
311,
yes,
they
can
they
send
it
into
court
enforcement's
food
311.
We
ask
that
they
not
get
involved,
because
some
of
these
things
can
get
pretty
tricky
at
times
and
just
report
what
they
saw
we'll
take
it
from
there
we'll
do
the
investigation,
and
if
we
can
issue
a
violation,
we
will
we'll
we'll
investigate
it
anyway
and
they'll
get
an
answer
back
on
the
311
app
once
complete.
A
B
A
On
every
aspect
of
code
enforcement,
whether
it's
the
office
of
visiting
or
answering
this,
whether
it's
after
the
fact
that
they
received
a
violation,
we
continue
to
educate
the
public,
whether
it
be
a
management
company
or
private
citizen
on
how,
when
and
where
they
should
store,
get
rid
of
and
how
to
get
rid
of
their
trash
so
that
it
won't
repeat
itself
for
them.
I
believe
the
website
has
a
lot
of
good
information.
You
see
your
boston.gov
website
public
works,
showing
people
in
pictures
that
may
have
a
language
barrier.
D
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
thank
you
steve,
and
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful.
We
have
a
a
a
young
city.
A
lot
of
young
people
have
moved
into
into
boston
and
at
least
four
or
five
nights
a
week.
These
people
are
eating,
pizza
and
and
and
spuckies
and
all
kinds
of
food,
and
then
they
just
disregard
their
trash,
whether
it's
on
them
on
the
street
or
in
or
in
their
yard,
but
a
public
awareness
campaign
would
be
would
be
a
critical
part
of
of
of
making
improvements
on
these
quality
life
issues.
B
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
as
a
as
well
as
leo
and
steve,
and
eric
and
and
dan
manning
and
ayesha
miller,
and
so
many
others,
john
elworth.
But
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
for
this
piano.
We're
gonna
go
into
a
second
panel,
you
you
can
stay
on
if
you
want,
but
it's
not
necessary,
but
we
have
some
other
some
other
guests
for
the
second
panel,
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
shift
right
now
to
the
second
panel.
B
D
B
B
I
see
him
on
the
on
the
phone
on
the
video
I
knew,
mr
and
mrs
desadoro.
They
were
wonderful
people.
They
had
a
cottage
right
near
my
in-laws
up
in
maine
and
what
I
loved,
especially
about
going
up
to
visit.
My
in-laws
was
saying
mrs
desadoro.
She
used
to
make
the
best
thing
of
italian
meat
sauce,
so
I
would
go
up
there
and
she'd
have
a
big
bowl
of
spaghetti
and
a
big
thing
of
meat.
Sauce
for
me,
so
that's
the
reason
I
really
like
tony
de
zadoro.
M
B
M
M
Despite
reassurances
from
inspectional
services
department
in
the
past,
the
situation
in
austin
brighton
continues
to
worsen.
Multiple
sightings
on
any
given
day
is
becoming
the
norm.
As
reported
on
boston
25
in
july,
2020
quote.
The
biggest
surge
in
rodent
complaints
is
coming
out
of
austin
brighton
during
the
pandemic
in
88
increase
compared
to
last
year.
End
quote:
let
me
quickly
focus
on
three
main
areas.
M
Second,
in
a
community
such
as
alston,
where
in
2018
80.8
percent
of
the
neighborhood
population
are
young
adults
and
the
owner
occupancy
rate
was
11.9
percent
compared
to
a
boston
rate
of
35.2
percent
and
given
the
transient
nature
of
our
residents,
we
must
hold
property
owners
even
more
accountable
to
ensure
proper
property
management
by
removing
food
and
water
sources
and
items
that
can
provide
them.
Shelter.
M
M
There
is
nothing
like
attending
in
a
butters
meeting
with
an
investor
looking
to
expand
the
footprint
and
number
of
units
in
their
building
which
will
result
in
higher
profitability
having
rats
running
around
his
property,
because
one
was
negligent
in
effectively
managing
the
property.
There
is
a
community
responsibility
here
that
is
undeniable.
M
The
city
needs
to
step
up
and
recognize
that
there
are
consequences
to
the
public
policy.
They
continue
to
pursue
a
proportional
and
consistent
response
is
required
to
ensure
quality
of
life.
Issues
will
never
take
a
back
seat
and
that
we
value
the
health
and
safety
of
every
resident
who
calls
boston
their
home.
B
N
N
N
He
has.
He
comes
from
a
really
strong
background
of
of
environment
work
and
I'd
like
to
hear
from
him
today.
Also
to
my
left,
I
have
the
the
executive
director
of
buds
and
blossoms
child
care,
which
is
based
in
boston
and
to
my
that's
genie
right
here
to
my
right,
and
then
we
have
some
people
who
work
in
chinatown
or
actually
live
in
chinatown
they're
also
invited
today.
So
let
me
ask
you
edward
to
speak.
Okay.
L
Counselor
flynn,
so,
as
mary
said,
I
do
have
a
background
in
litter.
So
before
I
became
ceo
of
aaca,
I
spent
about
seven
years
working
state
on
the
state
level
in
trash
and
recycling
as
executive
director
of
a
nonprofit
dealing
with
the
state.
In
fact,
I
dealt
in
public
space,
recycling
and
litter
in
partnership
with
the
mbta
and
the
city
of
cambridge,
to
launch
an
mbta
public
space
program
to
reduce
litter
there.
So
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
in
terms
of
my
knowledge
in
this
this
area.
L
L
So
several
things
I'll
go
over
here.
First,
so
as
several
of
the
council
members
mentioned
like
this
problem
in
different
neighborhoods
has
been
going
on
even
before
the
pandemic
yeah
I
mean
I
walked
through
chinatown.
I've
been
in
chinatown
in
different
capacities
for
over
16
17
years,
and
you
know
if
you
walk
down
the
street
at
8pm
on
certain
days,
you'll
see
all
the
restaurant
trash
on
the
curb.
L
L
The
education,
I
think,
is
very
difficult.
When
you're
dealing
with
a
transient
neighborhood,
where
you
know
a
lot
of
the
residents,
are
businesses
and
not
you
know,
people
who
stay
here
after
a
certain
hour.
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
sort
of
third
leg
of
what
you
know
really
is
effective
that
they
talk
about.
When
you
talk
about
keep
america
beautiful
research
and
whatnot,
there's
enforcement,
education
and
convenience.
L
So
convenience
is
something
that
I
think
several
people
on
the
previous
panel
touched
upon.
The
idea
of
the
bins
chinatown
is
one
of
the
areas
that
does
suffer
severely
from
lack
of
space
to
put
bins,
and
so
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
investment,
some
sort
of
innovation
to
make
it
happen,
I
mean
we
see
our
neighbors
at
downtown
crossing
with
their.
I
think
it's
called
a
bid.
L
I
think
that
stands
for
the
beautiful
boston
improvement
district,
where
the
neighborhoods
come
together
to
fund
regular
cleanups
in
terms
of
actual
staff,
that's
paid
for
to
clean
the
area,
that's
something
that
we'd
be
very
interested
in
exploring
here.
Obviously,
chinatown
is
not
as
affluent
as
downtown
crossing
or
the
financial
district.
I
L
Expensive
system
and
the
other
angle
to
that
too,
a
bit
could
be
an
innovation
district
too.
So
one
thing
we
see
in
exemplars
in
the
trash
world
like
seattle,
san
francisco,
all
those
other
areas
is
that
the
neighborhood
comes
together
and
the
city
comes
together
to
fund
special
approaches,
and
one
thing
that
we
see
is,
for
example,
changing
zoning
laws
or
permit
laws
or,
if
there's
a
new
construction
coming
in
that
the
construction.
L
The
development
is
required
to
include
some
sort
of
neighborhood
trash
depository,
where
it's
not
just
for
that
that
development,
but,
for
example,
if
all
the
restaurants
had
an
area
where
they
could
store
their
trash
until
this
trash
pickup
day.
That's
something
that
could
alleviate
the
storage
problems.
Where
you
know
you
put
out
the
bags
on
the
curb
and
then
the
rats
just
come
to
it.
L
So
I
mean
just,
for
example,
we
look
out
our
window
at
aaca
down,
and
you
know
down
on
tyler
street,
and
the
building
right
across
the
street
has
all
their
bins
right
outside,
because
that's
the
only
place
they
can
put
them.
So
if
there
were
a
more
communal
area
like
on
this
block,
where
they
could
store
them
safely,
that
would
help
alleviate
that
problem
and.
L
H
O
B
B
N
Yeah,
I
wanted
to
conclude
by
really
affirming
all
the
all
the
hard
work
that
isd
and
and
code
enforcement
and
and
eric's
team
for
public
works,
but
what
they
put
into
into
chinatown
and
into
the
other
areas,
particularly
now
that
I'm
hearing
from
tony
in
the
austin
brighton
area
chinatown
is
unique.
But
not
not.
You
know
not
the
only
only
place
in
boston
that
has
a
real
problem
with
space.
N
We
we
really
need
to
be
tougher
on
the
owners
and
landlords
of
our
you
know
of
our
site,
because
they
need
to
do
what
the
law
requires,
which
is
to
take
care
of
their
tenants.
They
need
to
make
sure
that
there
are
barrels
for
their
tenants.
The
people
who
live
in
this
community
sometimes
are
really
totally
ignorant
of
what
it
what
they
need
to
do
with
trash.
So
their
most
simple
thing
to
do
is
to
put
it
into
little
plastic
bags
and
leave
it
on
the
street.
N
So
we're
talking
about
illegal
dumping
and
we're
talking
about
overflow
of
so-called
city
public
barrels
that
overflow
is
being
caused
by
people
who
don't
mean
to
break
the
law.
Necessarily
they
just
take
their
trash
and
put
it
into
public
barrels.
And
then,
when
that
overflows,
they
leave
those
little
trash
bags.
All
around
the
you
know
the
public
battles
and
that
just
creates
more
and
more
opportunities
for
rodents
and
for
seagulls
to
just
trash
the
trash,
the
whole
street
and
and
all
the
curbside.
N
So
we
know
that
we
can
do
more,
but
we
need
to
do
more
with
the
people
who
who
need
to
who
need
to
make
the
change.
The
frustration
and
the
frustration
on
our
committee
has
been
the
fact
that
we
don't
see
that
a
you
know
a
beautification
day
is
the
answer
to
to
the
problems
in
chinatown
or
in
austin
brighton.
The
the
problem
will
be
to
really
have
more
code
enforcement,
higher
higher
fees,
higher
penalties
and
have
our
community
do
our
part,
which
is
to
change
our
behavior,
educate
ourselves
and
then
enforce
ourselves.
N
B
G
G
I
look
forward
to
really
helping
spread
the
word
and
get
working
with
tony
and
in
our
neighborhood,
our
local
neighborhood
associations,
to
try
and
get
better
buy-in
in
terms
of
what
what
individual
citizens
and
residents
can
do
and
then
also
see
what
we
can
do
with
developers
and
see
if
they
can
help
stem
this
problem
at
its
at
the
at
at
the
source,
so
to
speak.
So
I
think
this
is
a
beginning
of
an
ongoing
conversation
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
folks
on.
Thank
you.
B
H
No
questions
I
just
really
want
to
thank
the
neighbors
for
the
work
you
do
every
day
and
also
for
the
sort
of
proposed
solutions
you
offered
here.
I
mean
I
heard
tony
suggesting
that
you
know
we
really
make
construction
folks
responsible
for
helping
to
pay
for
baiting
the
neighborhood
right
and
the
adjacent
folks,
and
I
and
I
think
the
idea
about
chinatown,
looking
into
a
bid
which
I
know
it
took
a
long
time
for
downtown
crossing
to
establish,
but
I
think
has
been
a
really
meaningful
and
useful
mechanism
there.
H
I
I
just,
I
really
appreciate
you
all
for
the
the
work
in
and
out,
but
also
coming.
You
know
to
us
as
policymakers
with
possible
solutions,
and
I
think
it's
as
counselor
braden
said,
like
the
onus
is
on
us
to
kind
of
think
about
what
we
can
do
to
step
things
up.
I
think
the
additional
code
enforcement
folks
at
isd
are
great.
I'm
intrigued
and
excited
about
the
sort
of
dry
ice,
ramping
up
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
H
I
I
represent
the
boston
common
and
the
public
garden
and
the
fens,
where
we
see
a
lot
of
burrows,
that
dry
ice
could
be
a
potential
solution
to
so
it's
good
to
know
that
our
city
departments
are
working
on
things,
but
I
think
we
also
just
need
to
think
about
how
we
can
strengthen
the
regulatory
regime
around
this.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
so
much
and
thank
you
again
to
counselor
flynn
and
counselor
braden
for
calling
this
important
hearing.
B
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
enforcement,
but
also
increase
the
fines
on
people
that
intentionally
disregard
and
disrespect
the
residents
by
illegal
dumping,
there's
nothing
worse
than
seeing
someone
throw
their
personal
trash
or
even
business
trash
onto
the
streets
of
of
our
neighborhood
or
or
in
our
city
and
and
from
outside
of
boston,
come
into
boston,
to
litter
and
to
and
to
and
to
ruin,
ruin
the
neighborhood.
So
I
want
to.
I
agree.
B
It's
happening
all
over
the
city
in
various
neighborhoods.
So
having
said
that,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
colleagues,
councillor
braden
councillor
bark.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
central
staff
from
the
boston
city
council
for
for
excellent
work,
shane
and
candace.
I
believe
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
being
on
here
and
and
for
working
with
us.
It
was
a
very
informative
meeting.