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City Services and Innovation Technology - Dockets #0467 and #1328 Orders for a hearing to discuss pest control and trash containerization in the City of Boston
A
A
A
A
So
if
you're
here
with
us
in
the
chamber,
please
sign
up
on
the
sheet
near
the
chamber
entrance
over
there,
I
don't
know
if
you
haven't
already
and
if
you
want
to
testify
virtually
please
email,
Ron,
Cobb,
that's
ron.cobb
awesome.gov
for
the
link
and
Ron
will
get
you
that
virtual
link
and
you
can
join
us
in
a
bit
on
Zoom
for
all
testimony.
We
ask
folks
to
state
name
and
neighborhood
or
affiliation
and
keep
your
comments
to
a
couple
of
minutes.
Just
so
we
get
everybody
in
today's
hearing
is
on
two
dockets.
A
So
it's
docket
one.
Three,
two,
eight
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
trash
containerization
in
Boston
that
was
filed
by
myself.
Counselor
luigien
will
be
joining
us
in
a
moment
and
council
president
Ed
Flynn
and
then
also
docket0467
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
Pest
Control
city
of
Boston,
which
was
filed
by
councilor
Flynn,
with
co-sponsors,
counselor
Liz
Braden
of
District
9
and
councilor
Aaron
Murphy
at
large.
A
So
some
of
our
folks
in
the
administration
are
more
prepared
to
speak
to
the
one
or
the
other,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
be
having
one
joined
up
conversation
and-
and
we
had
also
kind
of
talked
when
we
had
the
rat
one
about
getting
back
together
before
the
end
of
the
year.
So
so
that's
what
we're
doing
here
today,
I
I'm
gonna,
go
in
a
moment
to
my
colleagues.
Just
for
a
very
brief
opening
statements.
A
I
think
I'll
just
try
to
piece
together
an
order
of
arrival
because
basically
everyone's
a
sponsor
but
we're
gonna,
be
joined
today
by
our
colleagues
from
ISD,
represented
by
John
Ulrich,
the
assistant
commissioner
for
the
Environmental
Services
Division
Dennis
roach
from
public
works.
There
insisted
superintendent
of
waste
reduction
to
Teresa
savarese
on
his
team,
our
zero
waste
director
at
the
city
of
Boston,
and
then
we
also
have
working
on
trash
containerization
strategies,
in
particular
our
Boston
Housing
Authority,
represented
here
by
Joel
wool,
their
Chief
of
Staff.
A
B
This
is
an
issue
that
I
probably
focused
more
of
my
time
and
attention
on
than
probably
any
issue
over
the
last
six
years
and
the
reason
the
reason
for
that
is
because
it's
a
it's
a
significant
quality
of
life
issue.
It's
a
significant
public
health
issue.
If
you
don't
solve
Pest
Control
in
clean
streets,
people
will
move
out
of
the
city
and
I've
done
numerous
walkthroughs
and
visits
and
tours
of
various
neighbor
neighborhoods
throughout
District
2.
B
Looking
at
ways
to
improve
our
pest
control
strategy.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
professional
work
that
our
city
workers
are
doing
on
this
issue
from
public
works
and
ISD
John
Elric
and
in
Dennis,
roach
and
Teresa
as
well.
Public,
Works
and
Joel,
but
but
we
need
to
do
more
in
doing
more,
also
includes
more
resources
and
services.
Looking
at
what
is
working,
what
is
not
working
but
I'm
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
professional
work
that
the
panel
has
been
doing,
but
also
to
say
that
we
need
to
do
more.
B
I
often
look
at
what
New
York
City
is
doing
on
Pest
Control
issues
and
and
they're
they're
doing
incredible.
Work
I
do
hope
to
visit
New
York
City,
but
if
we,
if
we
don't
solve
this
issue
or
make
improvements
again,
people
will
move
out
of
the
city,
there's
nothing
worse
for
a
family
to
have
a
a
rat
running
through
their
house
when
they
have
a
little
a
little
baby
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
chair
sleeping.
B
So
these
quality
of
life
issues
are
critical,
they're
important,
there's,
nothing
more
important
for
the
residents.
I
I
also
want
to
see
if,
during
the
opening
discussion,
if
you
could
also
highlight
how
many
calls
you've
been
receiving
from
3-1-1
on
these
issues
on
Pest
Control
issues,
my
colleague,
Michael
Flaherty,
has
also
been
involved
in
this
issue.
He
often
talks
about
the
Norwegian
rat
and-
and
he
asked
me
to
weigh
in
and
let
let
the
piano
know
that
that
this
is
a
critical
issue
for
him
as
well.
B
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
know
in
my
first
year
here
on
the
council.
It
is
also
probably
one
of
the
most
talked
about
issue
and
I
do
believe
that
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
important
quality
of
life
issues,
even
though
most
people
don't
always
want
to
talk
about
it,
but
we
do
and
it
is
tied
together.
So
thank
you
for
combining
these
two,
because
we
can
talk
about
how
do
we
contain
the
trash,
but
also
what
do
we
do
with
it?
C
During
the
week
I
know,
we've
had
conversations
about
that
and
and
I've
shared
my
personal
woes
On
My
Street
near
several
apartment
buildings,
where
maybe
the
trash
isn't
stored
correctly,
and
then
it's
brought
out
in
thin
trash
bags.
So,
looking
forward
to
this
conversation
and
finding
out,
you
know
how,
how
can
we
do
better
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
not
dealing
with
this
issue
in
a
way
that
you
know
and
also
as
an
at-large
counselor?
C
It's
not
just
I
know
we
refer
sometimes
to
Alston
or
Brighton
as
like
grad
City,
and
there
are
issues
there,
but
oftentimes
at
least
once
twice
a
week,
I
see
large
dead
rats
on
the
sidewalk
right
in
front
of
my
house,
so
it's
in
every
neighborhood,
even
if
there's
not
construction
going
on.
So
it's
definitely
a
city-wide
issue
and
happy
to
be
part
of
this
conversation
and
part
of
the
solution
to
help
make
sure
your
departments
have
what
you
need
to
help
the
residents.
So
thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
this
morning
and
thank
you
to
my
other
co-sponsors
of
this
very
important
discussion.
Well,
I
really
feel
we.
This
is
a
perennial
conversation.
I
think
we've
had
multiple
since
I've
been
here
this
last
three
years.
We've
had
this
conversation
on
an
annual
basis.
Trash
management
is
a
major
contributing
factor
to
the
rodent
problems
across
our
city,
and
it
is
a
public
health
issue.
D
I
know
how
hard
staff
and
public
works
and
ISD
where
the
staff
work,
but
we
never
really
seem
to
get
ahead
of
this
problem,
so
we
have
to
try
and
strategize
and
think
what
we
need
to
do
differently.
In
District
9
we
have
a
huge
number
of
large
large
landlords
and
absentee
landlords
who
just
pay
the
fines
and
never
spend
the
money
to
actually
fix
the
problem,
and
it's
for
them.
D
So,
as
a
city
I
feel
that
we
really
need
ways
to
know
who
who
the
Bad
actors
are,
who
the
owners
are
and
to
hold
them
accountable
for
the
proper
storage
and
Disposal
trash
and
in
our
in
our
neighborhoods
and
I'm,
really
wondering
you
know
when
The
Big
Dig
was
happening
way
back
when
they
had
a,
they
had
a
master
plan
for
how
they
would
manage
rodent
control
at
that
time
and
they
had
a
sophisticated
interdepartmental
structure
that
that
seemed
to
work
and
we,
it
was
written
up.
I
think
I've
mentioned
this.
D
Before
we
were,
we
were
a
study.
It
was
sort
of
the
sort
of
Center
of
Excellence
the
best
way
to
do
it
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
and
see.
Are
we
doing
that
still
or
is
there
still
a
problem?
We
need
to
use
the
all
the
technology
at
our
disposal,
such
as
GIS
Etc,
to
track
where
the
problems
are
and
exercise
our
enforcement
Powers
I
really
wonder
the
question
they
have
that
we'll
be
discussing
this
morning
is
like
in
our
enforcement.
D
E
E
We've
worked
together
on
on
many
constituent
cases
over
the
last
couple
months
and
even
before
that,
as
a
staffer
for
the
last
city,
council
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure
to
thank
BHA
and
Joel
wool
for
being.
Here,
too,
we've
been
working
through
some
issues
in
Charlestown
which
have
since
then
been
revolved
resolved.
But
this
is
a
perennial
conversation,
as
Council
Braden
noted,
especially
for
my
high
density
downtown
neighborhoods,
especially
the
North
End.
E
There
is
no
room
to
store
any
trash
containers,
and
so
we
have
seen
just
trash
all
over
our
streets
and
it
is
hard
to
contain.
It
is
hard
to
have
any
sort
of
enforcement,
but
I
do
want
this
to
be
a
Solutions
oriented
conversation
thinking
about
more
resources,
maybe
more
enforcement
thinking
about
nature-based
Solutions
too
I
think
at
one
point
the
city
of
Boston-
and
this
is
just
a
rumor,
but
maybe
the
city
of
Boston
had
deployed
skunks
to
help
with
the
rat
issue
in
East.
E
A
You,
for
my
part,
I
mainly
want
to
Echo.
My
colleagues
say
that
this
is
I
mean
it's
a
critical
public
health
issue.
It's
like
the
most
basic
thing
about
city
services
like
if
you
know
the
streets
are
overrun
with
rats,
as
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods.
They
really
are
right
now.
You
know
we
just
I,
think
you
know
we
we
don't
pass
go
when
it
comes
to
just
all
of
the
things
that
city
government
needs
to
do.
A
This
is
like
a
really
really
fundamental
one,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
it's
so
important
for
city
government
to
take
a
leadership
role
is
because
it
isn't
all
about
things
that
we
can
do
a
big
piece
of
it
is
a
coordination
challenge
and
that
that
is
usually
the
case
for
public
health
problems
and
I
think
we
all
saw
during
covid
like
if
the
city
of
Boston
had
said
well,
we
could
only
deal
with
covid-19
measures.
Vis-A-Vis
public
facilities
like
we
would
never
have.
A
You
know
done
all
the
critical
life-saving
things
that
we
needed
to
do
so
that
was
just
I
mean
that's
the
most
extreme
recent
example
of
where
the
private
and
the
public
world
have
to
come
together
be,
and
just
just
like.
Unfortunately,
you
know
infection
doesn't
follow
any
of
our
arbitrary
jurisdictional
lines.
Neither
do
rats,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that,
like
I,
I'm,
very
interested
in
a
couple
of
aspects
of
this
problem.
A
A
It's
it's
not
rocket
science,
like
the
longer
it's
out
there,
the
more
that
it's
providing
sustenance,
so
I'm
I'm,
very
interested
in
everything
we
can
do
to
tackle
that
problem,
which
means
like
to
me:
it's
you
know
a
shorter
window
that
it's
out
are
there
ways
that
we
can
be
more
precise
about
that.
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
push
it
into
the
same
sort
of
daylight
day?
A
I
think
that
I
want
to
acknowledge,
as
we
start
out,
especially
since
the
order
that
I
filed
is
about
containerization,
that
the
city
is
actually
doing
a
containerization
pilot
right
now,
it's
our
composting
pilot
and,
of
course
that's.
You
know.
We
talk
a
lot
about
composting
in
terms
of
the
environmental
benefits,
but
we
should
acknowledge
as
well
that
compost
is
the
stuff
that
the
rats
want
in
our
trash
and
so
to
the
extent
that
we
can
solve.
You
know
the
problem
at
the
composting
level.
A
This
is
not
the
subject
of
this
hearing,
but
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
another
thing
that
that
I'm
very
concerned
with
as
chair
here
and
hope
to
take
up
in
further
partnership
with
Public
Works
in
the
new
year
is
commercial
trash
and
how
that
gets
handled.
We
have
just
a
whole
lot
of,
especially
in
our
mixed-use
districts.
A
What's
happening
right
now
is
that
somebody
who
lives
with
a
alley
in
the
Back
Bay
that
backs
on
to
commercial
establishments
could
have
four
or
five
separate
commercial
tracks
trucks
running
through
at
night,
often
at
crazy
hours,
because
they're
trying
to
avoid
the
daytime
and
and
that
and
that
schedule
is
also
creating
situations
where
we
have
trash
out
for
too
long
and
in
unsecured
ways.
So
I
say
all
that
to
say
that
I'm
aware
this
is
a
really
multifaceted
problem.
A
But
for
me,
I,
I'm,
interested
I,
just
I.
Don't
think
that
the
like
thin
plastic
bags
out
for
24
hours,
the
status
quo
in
many
of
the
neighborhoods
I
represent,
like
is
a
workable
solution.
So
that's
why
that's
why
containerization
is
in
the
title
I'm
well
aware
that
there
are
lots
of
challenges
with
containers
and
reasons
we
haven't
been
there.
Also
it
probably.
There
are
parts
of
the
district
where
trash
ends
have
piled
on
a
particular
corner,
and
it
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
have
containers
there.
That
might
not
make
sense.
A
You
know
in
places
where
it's
more
distributed,
but
I,
as
the
chair
of
this
committee,
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
like
firing
on
all
cylinders
with
new
Solutions
here.
So
that's
the
aim
of
this
hearing
I
want
to
go
to
our
members
of
the
panel
for
opening
statements
and
then
we'll
jump
into
questions
and
and
get
to
public
testimony
in
after
that.
So
I'll
go
first
to
John
Ulrich,
who,
as
I
mentioned,
is
our
assistant
commissioner
of
the
environmental
services
division
for
ISD.
F
Good
morning
Madam
chair
members
of
the
council,
John
Ulrich
I'm,
the
assistant
Commissioner
of
environmental
services
at
Boston,
inspectional
Services.
We
are
an
enforcement
division
at
ISD.
Our
main
function
is
enforcing
the
state
sanitary
code
to
address
the
sanitary
sanitation
issues
that
contribute
to
rodent
activity.
All
of
our
inspectors
are
licensed
applicators.
F
F
We
continue
to
look
at
our
data
to
find
ways
to
be
more
proactive
and
working
to
strengthen
our
communication
and
cooperation
with
other
City
departments.
Rodents
need
food,
water
and
shelter
to
survive,
but
food
is
the
main
driver
of
rodent
activity.
Finding
solutions
to
trash
management
and
storage
is
the
best
way
to
reduce
rodent
activity
in
the
city.
I
appreciate
the
councils
continue
to
work
on
this
issue
and
I
am
happy
to
be
part
of
this
conversation.
G
Yep,
my
name
is
Dennis
roach
I'm,
the
superintendent
of
waste
reduction
for
the
city
of
Boston,
Public
Works.
We
deal
with
mainly
residential
trash
and
recycling
type
programs,
so
everything
you
see
in
the
street
on
residential
trash
pickup,
single
stream,
Blues
recycling,
pickup.
Now
we've
added
programs
and
food
waste
that
was
mentioned
here
in
composting.
We
do
textile
pickups
and
we
we
are
about
to
embark
on
mattress
recycling
in
the
next
calendar
year,
so
we
do
deal
mostly
on
the
residential
side.
G
Although
a
lot
of
these
things,
these
these
issues,
kind
of
commingle
with
each
other
between
commercial
and
residential
trash
code
enforcement,
actually
reports
to
our
division
and
that's
where
we
touch
a
little
bit
of
the
commercial
side.
So
we
enforce
the
violations
for
commercial
code
and
things
like
that,
so
we've
been
really
focused
the
last
six
months
or
so
on.
Educating
people
how
important
it
is
to
containerize
your
trash.
That's
our
our
main
tool.
Right
now
is
education
and
pushing
that
message
out
there.
G
There
is
no
regulation
that
you
need
to
store
your
trash
and
container
on
the
sidewalk
and
as
Council
Coletta
alluded
to
it's
the
most.
The
areas
that
have
the
most
problem
with
containerization,
it's
the
most
challenging
two
containerize
your
trash
due
to
storage
issues
of
these
containers
and
everything
else.
So
Council
you
mentioned
the
the
food
composting
program.
It
is
really
the
first
almost
pilot
and
containerization
in
the
city
too.
G
It's
kind
of
had
a
side
effect
of
that,
because
you're
taking
what
John
alluded
to
is,
is
the
food
source
being
the
most
important
for
rats
and
you're,
putting
it
into
a
container
so
we're
seeing
some
improvements
there,
it's
very
hard
to
quantify
those
those
improvements
then,
but
we
rolled
this
program
out
on
July
1st.
We
have
10
000
residents
registered.
G
We
have
about
7
000
sitting
at
a
waiting
list
for
the
next
rollout
period
on
on
July
1st,
but
that
should
be
a
very
effective
tool
because
you
were
taking
the
main
food
source
out
of
the
trash
and
putting
it
into
these
containers
on
the
streets.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that
program.
We're
very
excited
about
even
this
hearing.
G
That's
going
to
kind
of
push
this
meshes
out
here
about
how
important
it
is
to
put
trashing
containers
when
you
can
do
it,
and
we're
also
very
excited
to
hear
some,
maybe
ideas
on
how
in
Residence,
where
you
you
don't
have
that
option.
If
we
can
start
hearing
some
ideas
about,
what's
what
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
should
stop
focusing
on
in
the
next
fiscal
year
would
be
important
for
us.
So
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Dennis,
yes
and
I
know
both
myself
and
I.
Believe
councilor
Murphy
are
on
the
wait
list
for
our
compost.
Banks
so
and
Dennis
is
joined
here
today
by
Theresa
at
savarisi,
as
I
mentioned,
the
zero
waste
director
of
the
city
of
Boston,
so
Theresa's
here
to
answer
questions
as
well
and
then
Joel
wool
on
behalf
of
the
Boston
Housing
Authority,
we
asked
them
to
join
us.
A
H
Sure,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
council,
thanks
I
should
actually
start
by
thinking
that
public
works
and
ISD
team,
or
really
essential
Partners.
We
have
day-to-day
and
long-standing
relationships
with
both
of
those
departments
and
frequently
collaborate
on
the
Urgent,
Response
matters
or
high
priority.
You
know
constituent
queries
that
your
offices
get
I'm
mainly
here.
Just
we
have
been
thinking.
H
You
know
pretty
hard
about
the
city's
zero
waste
goals
and
administrator
Kate
Bennett
has
really
sent
out
a
decree
that
you
know
reducing
trash
consumption
and
improving
kind
of
the
quality
of
life
around
the
issues
that
are
related
to
trash,
so
keeping
it
in
the
bin
right.
Reducing
the
volume
by
by
extension,
addressing
pest
issues
that
can
result
from
particularly
food
waste
is
is
a
huge
priority
for
the
BHA.
It's
something
we
want
to
do
for
residents
and
neighbors,
but
also,
of
course,
for
the
environment
and
the
the
savings
to
all
parties.
H
When
we
can,
we
can
reduce
what
needs
to
get
hauled
so
I
I
have
I
wanted
to
share
just
to
give
a
general
sense
like
we
have
properties.
You
know
across
the
city.
We
have
many
different
kinds
of
properties,
but
we
basically
at
BHA
sites,
have
roughly
four
layouts
of
how
the
trash
containers
infrastructure
works
right.
That
would
be
several
at
the
larger
sites.
You
know
one
or
more
dumpsters
outside
at
some
of
the
sites.
H
H
H
We
are
consistently
dealing
with
issues
of
illegal
dumping
and
things
that
frustrate
pickups.
So
sometimes
you
know
when
the
trash
isn't
being
hauled
from
a
BHA
site.
It's
because
something's
in
the
bin
that
shouldn't
be
there
and
that's
because
someone
came
in
and
put
it
there
right,
and
so
it's
not
necessarily
at
fault
of
the
BHA.
It's
not
it's,
not
not
just
not
a
city
or
the
city's
contractor.
It's
it's
really.
H
We
will
be
working
with
Public
Works
in
some
capacity
to
bring
on
consulting
services,
to
really
think
holistically
about
the
portfolio
and
we've
also
just
looked
at
the
city
of
New,
York
and
nycha,
and
some
of
the
strategies
that
they've
employed
to
see
what
would
make
sense
for
Boston
or
for
portions
of
our
portfolio
and
then
just
as
a
general
note,
we're
not
currently
composting
and
I
think
our
thought
around.
That
is.
H
How
can
we
you
know
we
would
like
to
roll
it
out
with
the
pilots,
our
sites
that
are
served
by
sort
of
residential
pickup,
which
I
think
is
Galvin
to
Fairmount
we're
we're
working
with
Public
Works
thinking
about
how
residents
there
may
be
able
to
participate
in
some
of
the
current
pilot
efforts,
but
for
other
larger
scale
activities.
We
want
to
phase
that
in
in
a
really
thoughtful
way
that
comes
with
these
other.
You
know
intelligent
use
of
the
containers
and
pairing
it
with
with
the
the
integrated
Pest
Management
strategies
as
well.
A
B
B
F
B
B
In
my
district
in
Chinatown
people
like
to
use
that
neighborhood
I
know
it's
not
a
BHA
issue,
but
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
that
people
like
to
use
that
neighborhood
to
dump
their
their
garbage
in
the
neighborhood
as
if
that's
that's
acceptable
and
you
know,
wouldn't
it
be
acceptable
to
dump
it
in
in
West
Roxbury.
So
why
would
it
be
acceptable
to
to
dump
it
in
in
Chinatown,
I,
wasn't
going
to
repeat
the
story
about
illegal
dumping,
but
I'm
going
to
since
you
brought
it
up.
Joe
I
saw
someone
illegal
dumping.
B
B
B
When
we
see
illegal
dumping,
you
know
please
take
a
a
picture
of
the
license
plate
and
send
it
into
3-1-1.
If
you
don't
want
your
name,
you
to
be
used,
I
know
they
don't
use
your
name.
But
if
you
are
concerned,
please
send
it
to
me
and
I'll.
Send
it
directly
from
me
to
3-1-1,
but
I
want
to
see
I
want
to
see
those
fines
increased
for
anyone,
illegal
dump,
dumping
I
think
it's
it's
disgraceful
to
even
do
it,
because
you're
you're
impacting
someone's
quality
of
life
in
public
Public
Health
as
well.
B
We
have
composting
in
in
my
neighborhood
on
on
in
South,
Boston
and
I.
Think
it's
going
I
think
it's
going
well
so
I,
but
I
notice.
Not
many
people
do
it.
My
wife!
Does
it
religiously
on
on
Thursdays
the
barrel
that
they
provide?
The
small
little
container
you
know
has
a
great
way
to
close
it.
So
it's
not
you
can't
open
it,
but
why?
Why
wouldn't
other
people
be
doing
it
as
well,
so.
G
This
program
was
rolled
out
on
July
1st.
It
was
rolled
out
to
10
000
residents.
Only
and
part
of
the
reason
is
that
is,
the
infrastructure
is
not
in
place
for
these
companies
to
come
in
and
serve
the
city,
the
size
of
Boston,
so
we're
trying
to
grow
the
infrastructure
up
kind
of
with
what
the
need
is.
So
we
already
have.
We
started
10
000
residents
that
the
city
funded
on
July
1st,
with
the
intention
to
add
10
000
every
year
from
here
on
out,
but
there
there
actually
is
a
huge
demand
for
it.
G
G
The
only
red
Barrel
that
we're
particularly
using
okay,
there
are
private
home
composting
services
that
residents
pay
for
that,
have
different
size,
barrels,
usually
smaller
than
that
little
buckets
and
pails
yep.
So
there
are
other
options
that
you
can
do,
but
the
city
is
using
that
standard,
Barrel
right
now,
yes,
for
the
program.
Okay,.
B
B
Don't
necessarily
have
the
exact
answer
on
how
we
solve
it,
but
if
someone
puts
their
garbage
out
at
seven
o'clock
at
night
and
the
garbage
truck
comes
at
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning,
you
know
that's
a
that's
a
that's.
That's
that's
a
recipe
for
disaster,
so
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
times
again.
I
know:
we've.
We've
we've
played
around
with
the
times
and
there's
been
some
pushback
from
residents.
There's
been
some
concerns
from
the
the
city,
but
why
can't
we
get
this
issue
right?.
G
What's
happened
with
with,
what's
going
on
in
the
street
and
trash
coming
out
earlier,
we
are
under
contract
with
the
truck
current
trash
company
for
another
year
and
a
half
under
those
particular
times,
but
we
are
currently
work
a
focus
on
a
lot
of
issues
around
trash,
but
that
being
a
main
one
to
re-change
that
and
go
back
to
dealing
with
it
in
putting
those
times
back
to
where
they
were
or
even
more
structured
times.
Well,
we
know
we
can
keep
trash
out
in
the
street
street
a
little
bit
less.
G
The
city
council
and
the
mayor
recently
approved
a
trash
fellow
for
public
works.
That's
going
to
take
a
real
holistic
look
about
how
we
write
City
trash
contracts,
how
we
pick
up
trash
more
efficiently,
how
we
can
get
trash
left
on
the
cyborg,
less
Innovative
waves
that
are
happening
around
the
country,
the
city,
we're
going
to
take
a
real
whole.
B
Was
last
week,
I
was
at
a
at
a
town
hall
meeting
specifically
on
this
issue
with
Public
Works
with
the
chief
of
streets
sponsored
by
the
Asian
American
civic
association,
as
you,
as
you
guys
know,
on
on
at
their
building.
One
of
the
biggest
concerns
residents
expressed
at
that
meeting.
Miruchin
helped
coordinate
it
who's,
a
friend
of
mine,
but
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
I.
One
of
the
things
I
noticed
is
people
don't
know
how
to
take
their
trash
out.
B
It's
not
as
simple
as
as
just
taking
the
trash
out
and
leaving
it
there,
but
there
has
to
be
some.
There
has
to
be
a
better
public
awareness
campaign
of
how
you
physically
take
your
trash
out.
When
you
take
a
trash
out
what
you
do
with
the
trash
when
you
put
it
out,
will
you
put
it,
but
also
communicating
that
in
in
many
languages,
most
of
my
constituents
in
Chinatown
speak
speak,
Cantonese,
Chinese,
and
so
they
have
limited
English
English
access
to
to
to
some
of
these
brochures.
B
But
I
guess
my
point:
is
you
know?
Public
awareness
has
to
be
an
important
part
of
of
this
strategy.
Informing
educating
people
as
if
this
is
a
science
to
doing
it,
because
it
is
a
science
to
doing
it
and
I
think
we
have
to
get
away
from
the
old
way
of
just
throwing
our
bag
on
the
street
and
expecting
expecting
rats
not
to
eat
it.
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
change
the
mindset
of
people
and
we
do
that
through
education.
What
are
we
going
to
do
in
terms
of
educating
people?
G
This
the
city
is
invested
to
the
last
fiscal
year.
A
lot
of
money
in
the
public
works
waste
reduction,
division
in
terms
of
staff
to
address
educational
components,
so
we're
building
lots
of
educational
campaigns,
we're
building
pilot
programs,
as
you
were
part
of
the
Chinatown
pilot
program,
to
look
and
we're
building
educational
components
around
that
we've
been
we've
funded
in
this
fiscal
year,
so
it's
just
kind
of
getting
off
the
off
the
into
the
past
right
now,
but
for
the
last
six
months,
but
we
are
building
these
educational
components
and
I.
G
Think
that's
why
we're
here
today
is.
Is
we
really
want
to
be
out
here
to
educate
people
how
important
it
is
to
containerize
your
trash,
and
that
goes
with
both
residents
and,
as
you
guys
have
alluded
to
dumpsters
as
well,
and
people
that
to
close
those
Lids
to
keep
those
sealed?
Like
that's
another
important
factor
too,
we
would
working
on
a
lot
of
issues
in
all
neighborhoods
but
Mattapan
more
recently
about
some
illegal
dumping
issues,
some
dumpsters
and
real
poor
conditions,
dumpsters
that
the
lids
were
all
broken
and
things
like
that.
G
That's
happening
city-wide
and
that's
that's
a
part
of
containerization
as
well.
We
have
to
seal
off
the
source
for
the
from
these
rats
and
and
that's
we'll,
be
focused
on
all
kinds
of
those
initiatives
to
put
push
those
messaging
out.
We
started
we
recently
we've
gone
to
a
lot
more
Community
meetings,
you're
one
of
the
one
in
China
Town,
the
one
in
Beacon
Hill,
the
other
night,
trying
to
educate
people
out
in
the
streets
about
how
important
it
is.
B
For
rats,
thank
you
Dennis
and
when
you
do
those
Outreach
initiatives
and
working
with
residents
and
I
know
you
do
this
and
your
team
does
it,
but
will
you
be
sure
that
you
include
the
district
councilors
so
that
they
can
weigh
in
and
help
you
get
that
message
out
because
District
councils
know
exactly
what
the
issues
are
in
their
respective
communities.
So
please
please
Engage
The
District
councils
and
again
I
know
you
do
that.
Just
just
as
a
reminder.
A
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
Joel
for
bringing
up
the
illegal
dumping.
I
know
it
doesn't
just
happen
at
BHA
dumpsters,
but
also
in
open
lots
and
empty
lots
around
the
city,
but
you
mentioned
how
it's
disrespectful
to
the
residents
which
it
obviously
is,
but
I
just
appreciate
you
saying
that
it's
not
just
finding
some
place
to
leave
your
trash
that
that
your
barrels
and
containers
on
those
premises
are
for
the
residents.
C
So
we
do
have
to
make
sure
if
we're
using
enforcement
or
whatever,
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
continue
to
happen
and
the
education
piece
you
were
talking
about.
Dennis
is
key.
My
mother
still
growing
up.
We
had
a
cookie
jar
next
to
the
sink
with
a
plastic
bag,
and
that's
where
we
always
put
the
food
waste.
C
She
still
has
the
cookie
jar
next
to
the
sink,
and
it's
still
just
habit.
You
don't
use
the
garbage
disposal,
but
you
know,
then
you
would
bring
out
the
food
separately
in
the
trash,
but
the
infograms
thinking
we
had
a
hearing
a
couple
weeks
ago
about
large
venues
and
how
are
they
separating
their
trash
and
talking
at
that
hearing
about
myself
included.
Most
people
want
to
do
the
right
thing
when
they
see
these
barrels
that
have
more
than
one
hole
and
you're
trying
to
figure
out
well.
C
F
C
C
Is
there
a
better
way
to
have
barrels
or
for
them
to
know
that
there's
a
way
for
them
to
throw
away
their
trash
and
I
know
that
often
is
a
concern,
especially
at
the
state
parks,
because
if
there
isn't
a
pickup
regularly,
they
might
not
want
a
barrel,
but
then
trash
is
always
left
in
a
spot,
but
I
did
just
want
to
shout
that
out
because
I
know
that
concerned
school-aged
children
would
like
to
make
sure
that
they're
disposing
the
trash
at
these
public
locations.
So,
but
thank
you
chair.
That's
all
for
now
great.
D
A
lot
of
the
problems
we
see
are
the
big
dumpsters.
Some
of
them
are.
If
they
were
a
sea
going
vessel,
they
would
sink.
There's
full
of
holes
and
the
lids
don't
cover
the
dumpster.
There's
lots
of
problems
so
I'm
just
thinking
is
that
is
that
type
of
a
detail,
an
attendant
looking
at
trash
receptacles.
Is
that
part
of
an
inspection?
If
you
were
doing
an
inspection.
F
D
F
D
F
So
our
division,
there
is
there's
no
punitive
fine
with
the
environmental
code
enforcement,
which
Dennis
oversees
is
the
punitive.
But
Oz
is
a
sanitation
violation
that,
if
it's
not
corrected
it
ends
up
in
a
Housing
Court.
Eventually
they
have
an
administrative
hearing.
If
the
problem
isn't
corrected
by
the
administrative
hearing,
which
is
you
get
served
by
a
constable,
you
have
seven
days
from
the
time
you're
served
to
correct
the
violation.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
you
sent
to
an
administrative
hearing
by
the
administrative
hearing.
F
D
G
D
And
you
know,
and
I
see
that
you
know
dumpsters
are,
are
supposed
to
be
an
ID
number
issued
annually
for
a
dumpster
there's
a
filing
fee
and
then
and
two
dollars
per
dumpster
like
are
we
try?
It
seems
like
this
is
sort
of
the
menu
today
of
of
City
services.
Like
do
we
actually
track
dumpsters
and
make
sure
that
dumpsters
are
in
good
shape
before
each
year
or
how
does
that
work?.
G
D
G
D
And
and
I'm
also
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
we're
building
a
lot
of
new
construction
are
we
in
conversation
with
the
bpda
to
think
about
what
we
can
do
preventatively
going
forward
like?
Are
we
making
sure
that
indoor
trash
rooms
and
acts
like
dumpsters
and
and
then
the
other
big
issue
is
just
composting
for
our
larger
buildings?
Again,
all
this
the
building
size
is,
is
a
limit.
You
know
we
have
a
pilot
program.
Is
it
a
plan
to
ramp
it
up
to
to
do
food
composting
for
larger
buildings.
G
Whereas
of
right
now
that
that
we
don't
have
a
program
in
place
for
that,
we
we've
elevated
the
issue
to
the
bpda,
but
a
lot
of
the
new
buildings
that
we
see
come
online
trash
is
off
often
like
an
afterthought.
It's
actually
what
left
over
space
when
the
building
is
complete.
Can
we
stick
the
trash
and
that's
not
ideal,
yeah.
D
It
becomes
do
we
need
to
beef
up
that
we
need
to
work
with
the
bpda
to
really
make
that
I
also
got
this
information
just
this
morning.
The
New
York
as
a-
and
this
is
fun
actually
New.
York
has
is
a
new
job
posting
this
week
for
a
director,
a
city-wide
director
of
Road
and
mitigation,
and
despite
their,
this
is
the
dream
job.
It's
been
advertised
as
a
dream
job,
despite
their
successful
public
engagement
strategy
and
cheeky
social
media
presence.
D
Rats
are
not
our
friends
and
they
are
enemies,
and
we
must
they
must
be
vanquished
by
combined
forces
of
our
city
government,
curious,
voracious
and
prolific
New.
York's
rats
are
legendary
in
their
survival
skills,
but
they
don't
run
the
city
and
they're.
Looking
for
a
new
director
of
rodent
mitigation,
who
will
be
across
the
departmental.
D
Director
24
7
job
requiring
stamina
and
stagecraft
somewhat
somewhat
bloodthirsty
individual
who's
not
screaming
she
by
killing
rats,
operational
efficiency,
data
collection,
Technology,
Innovation,
trash
management
and
wholesale
Slaughter
is
what
they're
looking
for,
and
you
know,
I
think
they
are
and
just
that
their
ropes.
The
end
of
the
Rope
just
like
we
are
with
regard
to
rodent
control,
and
this
is
a
really
serious,
Public,
Health
concern
and
I
know.
D
We've
had
this
conversation
every
year
for
the
last
three
years
that
I've
been
here
and
I
really
feel
like
it's
a
time
to
all
hands
on
deck
and
see.
If
we
can,
what
we're
do
doing.
You
know
we're
all
working
very
hard,
but
it's
not
cracking
and
not
so
to
speak.
So
I
really
hope
that
we
can.
We
can,
you
know,
come
up
with
some
more
strategies
and
and
needs
to
be
involved
across
departmental
coordinated
approach.
D
You
know
geospatial
information
about
where
exactly
the
problems
are
and
are
we
thinking
about
using
the
technology
that
Somerville
is
using
with
the
electronic
electrocution
boxes
that
are
smart
boxes
that
will
actually
track
rodent
activity
and
give
them
they're
actually
able
to
map
out
where
the
most
problems
are
and
actually
strategize
about
how
they
can
Target
their
interventions
more
effectively.
Are
we
thinking
about
anything
like
that.
F
F
I
I,
don't
when
I
had
the
initial
meeting,
they
couldn't
give
me
pricing
and
they
had
only
had
the
city
in
Portland
Maine.
It
sounds
that
sounds
like
more
cities
around
Boston
have
have
tried,
it
I
believe
Somerville,
maybe
50
boxes
they're
using
currently,
so
that
would
be
around
maybe
60
or
70
thousand
dollars
for
the
first
year.
D
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
their
robust
questions.
I
do
appreciate
the
push
from
my
colleague
to
work
with
the
bbda
for
some
of
our
larger
buildings.
It
really
is
an
afterthought
and
it
should
not
be
I
have
seen
a
lot
of
trash
rooms
be
instituted
in
some
of
these
buildings,
but
I
think
now.
In
my
conversations
with
the
bpda
and
and
with
these
individual
developers,
that'll
that'll
be
something
that
I'm
flagging.
E
There's
just
compounding
issues
with
the
amount
of
apartments
and
restaurants
in
such
a
dense,
I
think
it's
a
quarter
of
a
square
mile
and
that
of
course
impacts
our
ability
to
keep
organic
food
waste
at
a
minimum
and
I
know
that
we're
expanding
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
right
I
think
it's
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
rats
don't
have
anything
to
eat,
and
it's
this
organic
material.
When
you
have
so
many
restaurants,
that's
a
problem
and
I
do
know
that
expanding
the
composting
program
is
something
that
we're
considering
and
I.
E
I
The
state
has
just
put
out
more
regulations
on
this,
so
as
of
November
1st,
any
restaurant
that
makes
more
than
a
half
ton
of
food
waste
per
week
will
have
to
now
divert
their
food
waste,
so
we're
hoping
through
that
we'll
see
some
movement.
Also,
our
partners
at
the
environment
office,
the
mayor's
office
of
the
energy
environment,
open
space,
are
looking
into
providing
more
resources
to
give
technical
assistance
to
these
restaurants.
Moving
forward.
I
E
And
a
half
a
ton
of
food
waste-
that's
a
lot!
So
I
would
guess
that!
That's
you
know
it
wouldn't
capture
the
smaller
mom
and
pop
restaurants
that
are
in
the
North
End
right.
So
we're
still
going
to
have
to
maybe
close
that
Gap
in
a
way
and
give
them
a
little
bit
more
assistance
is.
Is
that
program
going
to
help?
You
know
folks,
like
Fiore
and
carmelinas
in
the
North
End,
if
they
don't
produce
half
a
ton.
I
E
G
Don't
have
the
list
and
fines
in
front
of
me,
but
they're
different.
You
know
in
proper
storage
of
transfer
residents
like
25,
so
it's
very
minimal
impact
they
for
for
code
enforcement.
They
go
up
incrementally
over.
This
first
find
second
find
third
fine,
but
we
can
get
you
a
list,
an
actual
list
of
those
fines
that.
G
G
G
G
F
G
F
F
E
Thank
you
and
I
do
want
to
just
put
out
some
ideas,
and
then
you
tell
me
absolutely
not
or
we'll
look
into
it
or
whatever,
but
just
some
of
the
things
that
I
have
heard
from
residents
and
some
of
the
best
ideas
do
come
from
the
residents,
because
they've
been
dealing
with
this
for
so
many
years
and
in
the
North
End.
Somebody
just
asked
me
because
they
don't
have
enough
space
either
through
a
basement
or
a
side
yard
or
a
rear
yard.
E
To
have
these
containers
that
you
know
I
have
in
East
Boston
and
somebody
had
asked
well,
why
don't?
We
just
have
building
hooks
where
we
hook
trash
on
the
side
of
buildings
and
then
that
way,
it's
elevated
and
it's
off
of
the
sidewalk
and
rats
won't
get
into
them,
and
obviously
we
have
some
folks
that
will
go
through
trash
and
I
never
want
to
criminalize
that.
But
has
that
been
something
that
you
know
could
be
considered?
Could
we
provide
hooks
for
for
residents?
F
A
good
climate
and-
and
they
will,
if
there
is
food
they
will
find
a
way
so
elevating
trash-
would
make
it
more
difficult
than
sitting
on
the
sitting
on
the
street.
But
it's
something
we
would
think
about.
It
may
create
other
issues,
sometimes
with
trash
dumpsters,
open,
dumpsters,
the
RADS,
don't
access
the
the
trash,
but
other
birds
and
stuff
get
into
the
trash,
and
then
they
they
drop
it
on
the
ground,
and
that
creates
the
food
source
for
the
rodent.
So.
E
Right
and
I
had
a
neighbor
call
me
and
say:
I
saw
an
owl
outside
of
my
backyard.
The
city
put
this
out
there
that's
awesome
and
it's
better
than
maybe
a
skunk,
but
this
is
just
another
solution
that
has
been
presented
to
us
and
I
wanted
to
talk
through
the
likelihood
of
us,
maybe
getting
owls
or
something
like
that
to
put
out
in
the
neighborhood.
F
So
I
I
have
not
had
that
conversation.
There
is,
you
know.
Over
the
last
20
years,
there's
the
population
of
red-tailed
Hawks
have
grown,
and
if
you
go
into
the
commons,
I
I
had
a
picture
of
my
inspector
treating
Burrows
with
dry
ice
the
other
day,
and
there
was
a
hawk
sitting
on
the
fence
right
on
the
other
side,
waiting
for
a
rat
to
come
out.
F
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
it
would,
it
would
be
a
solved
to
our
problem
or
what
that
but
I
can
I
can
look
into
it.
As
far
as
the
skunks
urban
legend
from
East
Boston
I
hear
it
I
was
the
inspector
wrote
an
inspector
in
East
Boston
for
a
long
time,
and
you
know
every
day
someone
would
say:
when
are
you
going
to
bring
back
the
skunks
I
have
looked
into
it
and
researched
I
don't
know
who
released
the
skunks.
F
The
challenge
with
with
skunks
is
it's
also
part
of
the
sanitary
code
that
if
you
have
skunks
on
your
property
you're
supposed
to
remove
them,
there's
also
challenges
around.
Removing
them
live
trapping
them
and
they
do
eat
other
Vermin.
So
but
there's
challenges:
if,
if
you
have
a
dog
and
you
have
skunks
in
the
backyard
and
you
let
the
dog
out
back,
you
know
it
can
be
challenging.
But
thinking
about
Solutions
like
that
anything
that
we
can
do
to
reduce
Road
and
population
I.
F
Think
what
we're
talking
about
here
as
far
as
trash
rodents
need
food,
water
and
shelter,
but
in
Pest
Control.
They
call
it
Pho
and
it's
food
over
everything,
and
so
food
is
the
driver
of
the
road
and
activity
in
the
city
and
rodent
activities
based
on
on
human
behavior
and
and
so
we're
living
a
dense
City
and
we
create
trash,
and
so
that
is
that
is
really
the
challenge.
So
if
we
find
Solutions
around
the
food,
we
will
have
much
more
success
in
the
on
the
pest
control
side.
Thank.
E
E
G
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
and
yeah
I
just
would
love
for
us
to
just
be
creative
and
Innovative.
This
is
just
me
putting
anything
out
there
just
to
see
if
it
sticks
and
as
you
start
to
think
about
some
of
these
Solutions,
and
you
have
this
this
person,
this
trash
fellow
think
about
how
we
can
be
better
or
if
you're
thinking
about
how
we
can
be
more
proactive,
just
would
love
to
continue
partnering
with
you
all,
and
and
thank
you
so
much
and
that's
it
for
my
question.
Sure.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I
I,
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
this
morning
and
apologize
for
my
tardiness.
I
was
actually
out
in
Charlestown
at
a
Coco
at
the
counselor
hour
in
in
the
issue
of
waste,
did
come
up
and
I
also
just
wanna
as
a
co-sponsor
for
this
hearing
want
to
thank
councilor
Bach
for
putting
this
forward.
J
This
is
I
think
the
last
time
we
were
here
talking
about
Road
and
control
and
trashes
was
on
my
birthday
on
August
1st,
and
it
was
a
great
way
to
bring
in
a
birthday,
because
this
is
an
issue
that
a
lot
of
residents
bring
up
to
us.
It's
a
perennial
issue
that
we
Face
here
as
a
city
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
here
on
this
panel,
because
it's
something
that
my
office
has
leaned
into
and
honestly
Dennis.
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
alongside
my
office,
whether
it's
in
Mattapan,
High,
Park
or
Charles
Charlestown
as
a
city-wide,
City
councilor.
We
hear
about
this
everywhere
we
go,
and
we
know
that
the
level
of
rodents
or
the
level
of
trash
pickup
in
a
neighborhood
really
ties
into
directly
how
residents
feel
about
about
how
much
a
city
does
or
doesn't
care
about
them.
It's
dignity,
affirming
or
dignity
negating,
and
we
have
to
do
a
lot
better
job
of
it
being
dignity.
J
Affirming
my
office
was
out
recently
with
with
I.
Think
Dennis
was
there
Teresa?
You
were
there
and
it
was
actually
Joel
at
a
BHA
property,
and
we
know
that
this
is
an
issue
that
BHA
cares
about
when
we're
talking
about
being
dignity.
Affirming
just
because
you
live
in
an
income
restricted
unit
does
not
mean
that
you
should
have
to
deal
with
trash
issues
anymore
or
any
less
than
anyone
else
in
the
city
and
I'd
also
like
to
caution.
J
It's
really
important
right
that
we
are
relying
on
311
and
that
we
are
relying
on
what
people
put
in.
But
imagine
you
live
in
a
neighborhood
or
an
apartment
complex
where
you
just
you've
been
made
to
believe
that
no
one
cares,
and
so
you
don't
put
in
311
requests,
because
you
don't
think
anything's
going
to
change,
because
you
don't
have
that
accessibility
to
City,
Hall
and
so
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to.
J
Yes,
look
at
that
3-1-1
data,
but
also
to
try
to
think
about
reasons
why
we
might
not
see
the
level
of
reporting
in
Mattapan
or
in
Dorchester
and
Roxbury
that
we
should
be
seeing
because
of
how
people
feel
about
how
systems
do
and
don't
respond
to
them,
and
so
Dennis,
you
and
I
have
been
out
on
site
with
with
property
managers
a
lot
of
absentee
landlords
who
are
getting
fined
but
aren't
doing
anything.
We
try
to
think
about
these
innovative
solutions
about.
How
do
we
add
more
dumpsters?
J
How
do
we
assure
that
we
are
getting
more
lids
and
we
we?
We
get
texts
and
emails
every
day
from
folks
saying
they
said
that
they
were
going
to
work
on
this
issue
and
they
haven't,
and
we
know
that
you
know
the
fines
haven't
been
enough,
and
so
we
are
thinking
in
my
office
about
okay.
How
do
we
mandate
certain
actors,
especially
commercial
owners?
How
do
we
mandate
them
to
be
good
actors
if
fines
aren't
enough?
J
If,
when
we're
going
to
court,
it's
not
enough
and
so
I'm
thinking
about
what
are
what
are
some
ways
and
when
do
we?
Actually,
when
are
we
actually
able
to
lean
in
on
actually
using
liens,
and
so
we
talked
about
going
to
the
administrative
process
and
housing
court?
When
do
we
get
to
the
point
of
actually
being
able
to
issue
liens.
G
I'd
have
to
give
you
some
more
information
from
our
code
enforcement
director
who
definitely
manages
that
process,
but
we
can.
We
can
provide
that
but
I
think
it's
after
like
the
third
violation,
then
we're
kind
of
go
going
forward,
but
I
don't
think
we
deal
with
the
liens
ourselves
in
our
division.
They
kind
of
move
on
through
housing
and
get
there,
but
we
could
use
some
more
support
and
help
with
with
with
setting
those
up.
So
we
definitely
could
use
that
support
and.
G
F
I,
don't
see
that
often
with
with
our
cases
as
far
as
Road
and
activity,
usually
by
the
time
it
gets
the
housing
court,
the
the
issue
is
addressed.
They
no
longer
the
only
time
that
we
see
the
challenge
is
if
sometimes
the
home
is
in
Probate
issues
like
that,
but
usually,
if
we
get
good
ownership
and
they're
in
front
of
a
judge,
they
correct
the
issue.
J
G
J
So,
and
it's
it
sort
of
is
a
smack
in
the
face
to
every
resident
to
every
person,
to
myself
to
all
of
you
who
are
out
there
trying
to
do
the
impossible
when
they
ignore
these
fines.
So
we
we
need
to
Annie
up
somehow
and
I'm
trying
to
think
about
how
we
do
that
like
what
is
it
you
know?
Is
it
like
requiring
more
pickups?
J
Is
it
you
know
requiring
that
they
engage
in,
that
they
have
some
sort
of
alternative
right
to
just
you
know
the
the
once
a
week
pick
up
like
what
is
what
is
going
to
be
the
right
stick
to
use
to
get
them
to
be
good
actors
and
I
know
that
this
is
not
obviously
we're
having
a
hearing
here
on
trash
containerization.
If
there
was
like
a
a
bulletproof
salute
like
a
a
magic
solution
we
would
have
already.
We
would
have
already
done
that.
J
But,
like
you
know,
just
in
my
engagement
on
this
in
the
last,
you
know
four
or
five
months
that
we
have
been
working
on
this
Dennis,
particularly
with
you
and
everyone
at
Public
Works,
who
again
has
been
just
really
phenomenal.
You
all.
Don't
get
enough
credit
for
how
much
you
really
do
care
about
our
neighborhoods
and
really
do
care
about
our
about
this
issue,
but
we
have
seen
you
know,
we
thought
we
were
making
progress
and
then
we
take
five
steps
back.
So
how
do
we
ensure
that
we
are
like
continually
going
forward?
J
G
Mean
I
think,
there's
multi-facets
to
answer
a
question
like
that
and
some
of
the
things
you
just
talked
about
about
multiple
pickups
but
I,
think
it's
it's
codifying
some
of
these
things
and
ordinances
and
making
them
requirements
for
these
types
of
buildings
that
are
getting
away
with
it.
A
lot
of
these
buildings,
these
absentee
laws,
they're
they're,
major
corporations.
You
know
like
the
one
we're
dealing
with
in
Mattapan
they're
a
major
corporation
there.
K
G
But
then,
once
you
have
the
ability
to
to
to
to
find
them,
you
have
to
have
the
back
end
to
put
these
liens
in
place
and
make
sure
that
they
happen
and
that
they're
enforced
and
my
guess
is
that's
probably
some
more
resources
and
housing
and
maybe
even
in
Code
Enforcement,
to
follow
through
on
these
types
of
examples.
So
thank.
J
You
well
we'll
continue
to
work
with
you
to
think
and
strategize
about
this,
and
also
as
a
budget
season
is
coming
up.
You
know
the
any
you
know
whatever
you
all
need
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
respond
to
our
residents.
I
know
that
you
have
my
supporting
support
of
the
Chicago
city
council.
Another
question
I
have,
and
this
directly
may
be
directed
to
Joel,
but
I.
Think
it's
to
everybody.
H
Thanks
counselor,
so
I
think
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
partnership
here.
I
think
we
have
talked
about
a
couple
of
things
right,
one
is
one
is
right,
so
we're
we're
doing
res
we're
looking
at.
What's
you
know
a
new
wave
of
Resident
facing
education
and
that's
going
to
include
both
how
to
do
the
right
thing
and
then
how
to
how
to
report
the
wrong
thing.
That's
also
for
us,
continued
staff,
training
BHA,
is
doing
some
work.
Also
just
surveying
our
managers
to
understand
better
how
this
is
gone
for
them.
H
They
do
our
staff
do
report
things
and
they
find
it
when
there
are
illegal
activities.
You
know
that
we
we
try
to
use
a
we're.
We
are.
We
use
a
variety
of
sort
of
Staff
as
witnesses
as
well.
As
we
have
you
know
some
level
of
cameras
coverage
of
dumpsters.
We
try
to
try
to
mirror
both
of
those
I
think
that
you
know,
ideally
like
sure
residents
can
help,
but
if
they
I
don't
think
we
want
to
put
an
overburden.
H
The
response
like
we
want
to
have
a
managerial
solution,
that
it
does
not
place
a
burden
on
the
residents,
but
I
think
that
as
we
roll
out
more
extensive
education
on,
you
know
how
to
how
to
do
the
right
thing
yourself
on
how
to
and
better
containers
I
think.
We
can
also
look
at
how
to
you
know,
what's
not
acceptable
and
where
to
go
with
those
various
complaints,
whether
it's
just
putting
it
into
the
city's
3-1-1
or
through
BHA,
and
our
Public
Safety
Division
as
well.
Getting
that
over
or
work
order
system.
G
There's
also,
we
talked
about
this
a
little
earlier
like
a
vpda
potential
solution
to
this,
because,
as
you
as
you
think
of
how
you're
putting
out
these
buildings
and
building
trash,
Corrals
or
trash
rooms,
they
have
to
be
less
accessible
to
the
streets.
So
it's
not
as
easy
to
illegally
dump
and
when
in
the
specific
site
over
in
Charlestown
that
we
that
we
did
a
site
Tour
on
the
the
all
the
dumps
is
a
fun
facing
the
street.
G
It's
it's
one
of
the
easiest
places
for
somebody
to
kind
of
roll
in,
it's
probably
a
lot
of
construction
material.
It's
probably
a
lot
of
contractors
that
are
just
pulling
up,
throwing
their
materials
in
those
dumpsters.
It's
because
they're,
so
Street,
accessible,
accessible,
so
I
think,
there's
you
know,
working
with
the
btas.
We,
as
we
mentioned
earlier
to
to
Really,
facilitate
how
trash
is
thought
about
when
you're
building
these
types
of
buildings
is
a
very
important
piece.
In
a
lot
of
this.
G
We
just
recently
learned
Teresa
and
I
about
a
program
that
the
state
is
running.
It's
I
forget
the
actual
title,
but
it
was
surveillance,
something
or
other,
but
they
have
a
team
that
will
will
Target
a
site
and
have
a
surveillance
team.
Looking
for
illegal
dumping,
they
actually
came
to
us
about
a
site
that
was
having
an
issue
that
wasn't
as
much
of
an
issue
with
his
BHA
and
I've
kind
of
started,
the
connection
to
maybe
connect
them
to
the
BHA
to
start
a
pilot
program.
G
There,
a
surveillance
pilot
there
that
we
can
kind
of
run
and
see
you
see
what's
happening
out
there
at
maybe
a
Charlestown
or
wherever,
wherever
Joel
is
interested
in.
But
he
said,
a
lot
of
his
sites
would
qualify
so
yeah
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
We
I
just
presented
that
to
Joel
as
we
as
we
got
to
this
hearing
today
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
follow
up
on
that.
H
H
We'll
we'll
get
the
expert
advice
of
the
city
and
external
Consultants
think
about
that,
but
the
other
piece
of
it
for
us
is
like
we
have
to
make
it
easy
for
residents
to
put
trash
or
recycling
or
if
it's
composting
in
the
right
place
right.
So
not
only
so,
it's
like
people
know
what
to
do.
They
know
what
to
do
in
their
own
language
right.
They
see
it
or
in
a
pictorial
form,
get
that
education,
but
also
that
it's
it's
the
convenient
thing
to
do
right
it
doesn't.
H
It
doesn't
have
to
require
an
extra
effort
so
much
as
like
it's
I
know
where
to
go,
and
it's
not
hard
so
I
will
do
it
or
the
majority
of
people
will
and
that
for
us.
That's
thinking
about
you
know
the
family
housing,
but
also
senior
people
with
disabilities.
You
know
and
as
well
as
you
know,
the
work
that
our
staff
or
other
contractors
are
doing
getting
it
there
wow
also
preventing
the
negative
external
activity.
J
But
we
said
you
also
have
to
engage
Community
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
best
place
to
move
it,
but
I
do
think
that
and
I
don't
know
what
it
would
take
for
us
to
visit
like
if
we,
if
we
first
start
with
you
know
if
we
realize
that
we
want
to
approach
this
from
an
equitable
standpoint
and
and
and
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
in
black
and
brown
neighborhoods
that
have
often
been
disinvested
in.
If
we're
able
to
tour
every
income,
restricted
site
and
say
you
know,
this
is
not
optimal.
J
Dumpster
placement
and
you
have
to
have
a
community
prop
process
to
decide.
Where
is
the
best
place?
We
have
to
think
about
the
numbers
of
dumpsters.
You
need
to
have
ensure
that
there
are
Lids
on
top
and,
lastly,
the
most
important
part
that
buildings
and
owners
are
not
passing
the
cost
on
of
these
improvements
to
their
residents
in
the
form
of
rent
increases
and
so
I.
J
You
know
just
you
know,
I'm
really
glad
that
you're
thinking
about
this
and
you
know
with
BHA
and
look
forward
to
to
continuing
to
work
on
these
issues
throughout
all
of
our
neighborhoods
and
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
my
own
staff
Emily,
who
has
been
really
taking
the
lead
on
this
issue
in
my
office,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
this
right
from
Beacon
Hill
to
Mattapan
and
everywhere
in
between.
Thank
you.
A
Have
we
thought
about
trying
to
do
like
a
containerization
pilot
in
specific
places,
where
we
see
this
acute
issue
so
I
know
there
was
mention
of
the
Chinatown
one
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
but
I,
don't
know
the
chapter
and
verse
on
that.
Since
it's
not
my
district,
certainly
you
know
you
all
are
aware.
A
There
are,
as
I
mentioned
certain
places
in
my
district
where,
because
of
the
the
way
the
street
grid
Works
like
we're
directing
a
whole
bunch
of
residences
to
all
sort
of
put
their
trash
on
the
same
corner
and
that
that
seems
like
a
place,
one
might
pilot
a
container
strategy.
I'm
well
aware
that
I
mean
Council
of
agenda
just
alluded
to
it.
If
you
go
a
containerization
approach
like
with
something
that's
big
and
fixed,
then
there's
the
question
of
like
is
it
attractive?
Does
it
match
the
neighborhood
like?
A
L
G
We
are
constantly
talking
about
containerization
and
how
we
approve
it
from
both
a
rap
perspective,
but
also
a
litter
perspective,
because
that's
also
another
problem,
we've
had
we've
had
some
Pilots
over
the
years
in
public
works.
We
had
one
I,
don't
know
how
long
ago
was
in
the
Austin
neighborhood
that
was
partnership
with
Harvard.
You
still
see
some
of
the
the
Boston
trash
containers
out
there
from
that
pilot
and
in
certain
neighborhoods
in
Austin.
That's
just
a
leftover
that
Harvard
paid
for
those
bins
and
I.
G
Don't
know
the
results
of
that
one
that
just
went
away
and
it
and
it
just
never
coexisted
like
everybody
into
a
certain
of
Austin
was
given
a
it
was
a
dark
blue
bin
City
labeled
I.
We
don't
have
any
results.
I
don't
have
any
results
of
the
study.
I
could
probably
try
to
dig
back
to
see
what
happened
with
that.
We
we
started
some
programs
in
both
Beacon
Hill
and
the
south
end
with
those
with
those
like.
G
And
that's
basically,
what
the
end
result
of
that
program
became.
Is
they
became
great
laundry
baskets
they
weren't.
You
know
people
stopped
using
them.
They
weren't
they
were
more
for
for
less
for
rats,
because
rat
rats
could
choose
those
more
about
litter,
but
that
was
kind
of
a
failed
project.
This
didn't
really
work
out
and
people
didn't
really
tape
to
them
and
didn't
really
like
them,
and
they
did
become
laundry
baskets
all
the
time
so,
but
we
we
do,
we
think
about
it.
G
When
I
say
hourly,
I
mean
hourly
we're
always
talking
about
our
office,
we're
looking.
We
have
a
couple
of
coordinators
in
the
room
here
with
us.
Now
we're
always
talking
about
we're
figuring,
trying
to
figure
out
ways:
there's
National
Solutions,
there's,
there's
Global
Solutions
of
how
people
are
thinking
about
this.
G
A
A
I,
yeah
and
I,
almost
wonder,
I
mean,
for
instance,
on
the
containerization
thing
like
I'm,
like
you
know,
should
we
should
we
do
a
containerization
pilot
where
we
we
put
the
containers
on
like
a
flatbed
like
little
truck
that
we
park
in
a
parking
space
for
a
few
months,
and
then
we
like
see?
Does
that
work
like
you
know,
because
then
we
could
test
it
somewhere
else,
I,
don't
know
I'm,
just
I'm
trying
to
think
about
what
are
the
because
I
understand
for
the
city.
A
You
know
if
it
comes
to
actually
like
building
something
or
putting
something
in
permanently
there's.
You
know
we
really
worry.
We
want
to
measure
twice
cut
once
obviously
in
my
historic
neighborhoods,
there's
a
there's,
a
sort
of
making
sure
that
it
matches
the
historic
fabric
aspect
Etc,
but
I
do
kind
of
wonder
about
like
temporary,
like
test
things
that
we
could
do
to
because
I
hate.
Just
talking
about
this
issue,
especially
I
mean
just
the
you
know.
A
G
I
mean
as
a
result
of
our
Chinatown
litter
project.
We
got
some
some
ideas
for
some
Community
Based
bins
there.
There
are
still
challenges
with
those,
because
then
illegal
dumping
becomes
much
much
bigger
issues
because
of
these
residential
bins.
Are
they
commercial
bins?
If
you
know,
if
you
have
a
residential
bin
out
there
that's
accessible
to
all,
then
all
the
commercial
ends
up
in
there
and
then
now
you're,
hauling
Away
commercial
for
the
for
the
local
businesses.
G
G
A
A
G
So
yes
again,
this
is
another
kind
of
project
of
the
track.
Fellow,
but
the
way
the
contracts
have
been
written
for
the
last
20
30
years.
It's
been
basically
based
upon
efficiency,
but
mostly
cost
efficiency.
So
the
way
the
trash
contracts
work
is
often
when
you,
when
you
have
a
district,
the
trash
company
will
roll
into
one
District
in
the
morning
and
then
have
to
get
into
the
other,
the
other
District
in
the
afternoon.
A
I
know
that
that's
not
our
recommendation
in
the
sense
that
we,
of
course,
tell
people
like
you.
You
know
put
your
trash
out
in
the
morning
if
you
can
but
I
think
it's
important
to
stress
and
I
think
this
has
come
up
a
lot
in
the
last
few
years.
Vis-A-Vis
Public,
Health
recommendations
is
that,
like
people
kind
of
think,
if
they
can
do
something,
it's
fine
like
that's
that's
sort
of
like.
If
we're
saying
it
would
be
nice.
A
Just
feel
like
with
the
folks
who
we
find
are
are
hard
to
reach
with
the
right
information,
we're
going
to
need
a
neighbor
based
a
neighborhood-based
communication
strategy.
Anyways-
and
we
already
know
this
like
we
have
different
trash
pickup
days
for
different
neighborhoods,
so
we've
already
abandoned
like
a
true
one-size-fits-all
policy.
So
it
just
feels
to
me
like
we
could
tell
people
like
your
neighborhood
like
gets
picked
up
in
this
window.
You
need
to
have
it
out,
you
know
by
then,
and
then
also
if
somebody
came
back
and
said.
A
G
A
And
and
and
then
like
playing
with
kind
of
temperate
containerization
Pilots
is
one
of
the
things
we
can
do
in
the
interim
right,
while
we're
waiting
for
the
18
months
and
obviously
the
council.
You
know
the
council's
been
proud
to
support
that
trash
fellow
to
support
the
additional
physicians
in
ISD
I.
Think
the
idea
of
you
guys
spending
some
of
that
on
analytics
is
great
because,
like
I,
don't
have
any
doubt
that
everyone
in
ISD
is
working
hard
on
this.
A
A
One
thing
I
definitely
have
heard
in
in
my
neighborhoods
that
don't
have
space
for
containers
is
that
even
that
container,
that
counselor
Flynn
thinks
is
perfect,
is
maybe
a
little
big
and
so
I
do
Wonder
as
we
scale
up
and
then
also
there's
a
I
mean
I
know
you
guys
are
gonna
have
to
think
about
bigger
buildings.
Above
seven
units,
anyways
I,
strongly
believe
the
new
ones
we
should
be
just
requiring
to
build
great
trash
and
composting
facilities
and
I'm
happy
to
chase
that
with
the
PDA,
but
for
the
old
existing
ones.
A
We
have
lots
of,
like
you,
know,
big
existing
apartment
buildings
in
my
district,
like
I,
don't
know
thinking
about
is
there
I
know
it's
annoying
for
us
to
potentially
have
multiple
types
of
composting
containers,
but
that,
like
pale
size
that
some
of
the
private
contractors
have
it
like
with
this,
these
tiny
Apartments
it
does
seem
to
work
better.
Is
there
a
way
we
could
have
pails
and
then
maybe
there's
for
a
bigger
building,
something
that
everybody
puts
their
pail
into
I?
A
A
Has
this
enormous
negative
externality
for
the
residents
of
the
city,
so
I
do
think
we
need
to
kind
of,
and
this
might
be
a
like
pushing
on
law
for
like
what?
What
do?
We
actually
need
to
feel
like
we're
going
to
have
the
paper
trail
back
up
for
like
going
back
to
a
lean-based?
You
know
approach
because
I
think
the
stuff
on
the
housing
side
for
ISD
when
it
ends
up
in
court.
That
can
be
effective,
but
that's
not
really.
This
stuff,
like
most
of
that,
are
those
like
right.
A
Housing
standards
orders
that
are
coming
through
around
you
know:
somebody's
like
key
bathroom
appliances,
are
broken
or
whatever
right,
like
that
type
of
thing,
so
would
love
to
help
put
pressure
on
that
and
I
guess.
One
question
one
more
question
for
me
would
just
be
like
well
I
guess
then:
I'll
have
one
for
Joel,
but
dog
waste
like
okay,
so
it's
a
big
source
for
rats.
We
persist
in
having
problems
with
with
folks,
you
know
leaving
it
uncollected.
We
obviously
need
to
have
really
strong
public
campaigns.
A
Saying
you've
you've
got
to
pick
up
after
your
dog
like.
If
you
cannot
pick
up
your
dog's
waist,
you
are
not
qualified
to
own
a
dog
like
this
is
like
this
is
like
basic
and,
like
you
can't,
you
know
it's
just
it's
a
key
part
of
pet
ownership,
but
I
know
that
we've
gone
back
and
forth
on,
like
you
know,
are
there
opportunities
to
have
sort
of
like
dog
dog
waste
like
places
for
people
to
throw
it
away?
A
I
think
the
city's
been
generally
resistant
to
that
kind
of
thing,
but
I
also
don't
know
that
people
are
sort
of
supposed
to
be
putting
it
in
the
in
the
regular
trash
containers
Etc
at
our
park.
So
I
don't
know
John.
If
there's
since
you
have
the
parks
and
stuff,
but
I
mean
it's
all.
It's
also
all
over
the
neighborhoods
like
what
are
whether
there's
an
official
City
but
policy
on
dog
waste
and
whether
we're
thinking
at
all
about
about
like
more
Innovative
strategies.
There,
too.
F
G
A
G
A
On
okay,
yeah
I
would
just
love
because
it
has
you
know
there
are
I
think
we
all
know
like
in
various
neighborhoods
sort
of
like
places
where
we
see
it
intensively,
and
you
know,
and
maybe
part
of
the
solution
is
you
know
if
that's
a
park
just
making
it
clear
that,
like
maybe
you
know
some
little
sign
like
remember,
to
throw
away
dogways
but
like
on
the
trash
cans.
People
know
like
you,
can
do
it
here
or
whatever,
but
yeah.
A
No
in
Beacon,
Hill
I
mean
if
you
leave
one
of
those
blue
recycling
open
recycling
bins
out,
like
people
leave
dogways
there
and
it's
very
frustrating
again,
it's
a
key
part
of
dog
ownership
that
we
would
like
everyone
to
just
understand
and
then
I
guess
Joel.
Can
you
just
like?
Are
you?
Are
you
thinking
how
how
basically
I
guess
I
I
heard
you
about?
A
Oh
we're
trying
to
innovate
in
this
space,
but
I,
don't
think
I
quite
understand
exactly
what
it
would
look
like
in
practice
or
whether
there
are
sites
at
the
BHA
where
you
feel
like
you
already
have
what
we
want
and
sites
where
we're
trying
to
get
there
like.
Do
we
have
sites,
for
instance,
where
things
are
much
more
secured,
perimeter-wise
or.
H
I
I
would
say
that
you
know
we
like
the
things
that
come
to
our
attention.
The
most
is
what
is,
unfortunately,
on
the
negative
side
right.
It's
because
people
call
if
there's
a
complaint
right,
so
the
larger
family
properties
properties
with
more
dumpsters,
perhaps
more
dumpsters
that
are
cited.
You
know
in
two
conspicuous
areas
right
like
is
a
problem,
the
flips.
H
H
I
mean
I,
think
it
we
are
going
to
really
look
holistically
and
the
holistic
look
will
include
what
is
the
and
and
keep
in
mind.
This
is
in
a
time
period.
So
timing
is
for
2023,
where
it
would
inform
Public,
Works
efforts
and
thinking
about
what.
How
is
this
interactive
with
the
city's
future
Contracting
plans
where
we
are
partnered
in
that
I
think
it's?
These
are
the
so
we
have
you
know
we
look
at
our
our
properties.
H
Don't
like
that,
where
they're
that'll
fit
well
also
with
composting,
if
we
introduce
that
and
no
and
virtually
no
one
right,
has
a
composting
bin
in
in
interior
to
their
unit
right
before
they
take
it
outside,
like
what's
the
size
of
container
that
a
resident
wants
needs
could
use
and
in
a
general
room
layout
or
on
a
wet
bedroom
in
a
two
bedroom,
like
does.
Does
that
fit
well
in
the
current
structure
or
do?
Is
it?
H
Is
this
an
alternative
solution
right
so
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
things
there's
also
just
questions
in
terms
of
like
with
food
waste,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
with
Teresa
and
Dennis
and
others
in
terms
of
like.
Do
we
need
things
for
some
kinds
of
trash
or
recycling
or
compost
right,
particularly
on
the
Foodway
side?
That
is
more,
you
opt
into
it,
but
it's
maybe
there's
a
Code
or
something
so
it's
it's
not.
H
You
know
the
people
who
want
to
to
want
to
use
that
service
in
this
case
would
you
know,
choose
to
do
so,
but
it
would
also
be
more
more
sealed
off
because
of
the
way
that
that
could
otherwise
contamination
be
a
problem,
and
pests
would
be
a
problem.
So
I
really
think
it's
all
across
the
board.
I
think
part
of
the
research
in
that
regard
is
like
here's,
the
various
sizes
of
containers
of
difference.
H
So
what
you
know
it's
like
we're
like:
what's
the
what's,
how
many
yards
dumpsters
and
how
many
are
at
this
site
right
and
how
many
other
containers
are
there
and
what
is
the
frequency
and
pickups
and
What's
the
total
tonnage
right
related
to
that?
So,
like
that's,
that's
the
kind
of
analysis
that's
going
on
in
order
to
get
in
like
what
do
we
need
inside?
G
I
also
think
it's
important
just
to
add
to
what's
saying
is
that
we,
our
partnership,
has
been
solidified
but
we're
about
to
put
out
an
RFP
for
a
consultant
as
a
partnership
between
us
on
the
BHA.
That's
going
to
look
holistically
at
all
these
BHA
issues,
so
Teresa's
done
a
lot
of
work
on
the
RFP
and
what
that
will
will
address.
But
that's
ready
to
go
should
be
out
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
A
Obviously,
like
a
ton
of
bostonians
live
in
BHA
properties,
so
that's
great
yeah.
No
all
I
was
thinking
was
just
that,
because
every
VHA
property
is
different.
We
might
actually
have
some
lessons,
incidentally,
in
places
where
it's
working,
and
maybe
it's
just
because
they're
small
or
they're,
you
know
they
have
a
different
like
setup.
They
have
a
trash
room
in
the
basement
of
a
senior
building
that
doesn't
help
you
figure
out
how
to
handle
a
large
family
site,
but
I'm
just
curious,
whether
within
the
diversity
of
our
setups
right.
H
H
Think
we
I
think
we
do
I.
Think
you're
right,
I
may
have
not,
given
that
enough
sort
of
of
a
response,
I
think
I
think
the
answer
is
probably
that
I
don't
know,
but
we're
surveying
our
staff
and
our
residents
for
that
reason
so
like
and
sometimes
trying
to
judge
whether
the
answer
we
get
back
is
like.
Is
it
indicating
the
problem
of
the
solution?
So,
if
someone's,
if
it's
like,
what
would
you
like?
What
would
you
think?
What
do
you
think
would
be
most
effective?
Sometimes
it's
a
really
great.
H
Like
yeah,
we
just
need
to
make
that
change.
It's
moving
the
dumpster
and
the
manager
knows
exactly
where
it
should
go.
If
it's
like,
we
need
an
increased
frequency
of
pickup,
but
the
pickup
is
three
times
a
week
and
it's
set
by
contract.
Then
we
have
to
think
about
okay,
like
what's
what's
at
the
root
of
that
issue,
is
it
actually
pick
up
frequency
or
is
it
something
else
that
we
need
to
do
so
I
think
we're
we're
trying
to
dig
on
you
know
listening
listening
for
what
are
the?
What
are
the
yeah?
H
A
It
and
I
guess
the
parallel
question
on
the
city.
Side
would
be.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
an
estimate
of
like
standard
household
trash
like
do
we
have
a
sense
of
how
like
amounts?
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
how
that
varies?
Per
neighborhood,
like
you
know,
just
from
a
sense
of
Designing
containers,
I
mean.
Obviously
we
can
do
something
like
the
pilot
and
then
people
say
well.
We
need
something
smaller
around
here
and
that's
a
that.
A
G
Yeah
we
collect
data
by
neighborhoods
in
terms
of
total
tonnage.
We've
never
broke
it
down
by
household
to
this
point,
but
that's
probably
something
that
we
could
do
just
based
upon
ton,
engine
neighborhoods
and
but
we
do
track
it.
We
do
monitor
with
a
ton
of
just
coming
from
with
a
we're.
We,
we
monitor
the
diversion
rate
what's
being
diverted
to
recycling
programs
and
food
waste
programs,
so
we're
tracking
all
that
by
neighborhood
now,
but
not
broken
down
to
the
household
level.
Yet
that's
probably
something
we
could
do
and
should
do
and.
A
So
it
might
just
be
a
good
thing
to
get
it
get
some
sense
and
and
also
I
know
that
we
haven't
really
to
date,
been
talking
about
anything
where,
like
at
the
household
or
more
likely
like
building
level,
where
we're
asked
we'd
be
asking
people
to
like
compact
or
condense
like
their
trash,
but
it
it
does
seem
like
at
least
at
the
larger
building
level
like
that
might
be
something
at
some
point.
It's.
G
A
J
Just
do
you
mind?
That's
fine!
No!
You
go
ahead!
Thank
you!
Council
Braden,
just
a
very
quick
question.
Oh
just
I,
don't
believe
in
antidotes
as
being
the
way
that
we
make
decisions,
but
my
mother
is
in
love
with
the
residential
composting
and
I.
Just
cannot.
I
cannot
believe
how
it's
right
next
to
the
trash
bin.
She
uses
it
religiously
and
my
mother
is
a
stubborn
woman
and
so
I
just
think
that
there
are
I.
Think
it's
a
perfect
size.
I
think
it's
going
really.
You
know
great
from
the
people.
J
I
know
who
are
using
it.
So
I
just
want
to
fangirl
on
that
moment
and
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
that's
a
really
great
size
and
it
could
be
a
really
great
model
for
for
us
when
we're
thinking
about
implementing
it.
Citywide
I
just
had
a
question
about
dry
ice
because
you
mentioned
it
Dennis
last
year,
when
we
had,
we
were
talking
about
the
difficulties
of
the
city
procuring
dry
ice.
Are
we
back
to
a
place
where
we
have
enough
dry
ice
where
it's
it's
actually
more
part
of
the
solution.
Now.
F
J
F
So
it
takes
about
two
pounds
of
of
dry
ice
for
each
burrow
depending
on
right
now,
we're
mainly
using
it
in
the
Boston
Common
in
public
items,
okay,
so
effective.
We
also
have
the
borrow
RX
machines,
which
use
the
carbon
monoxide
and
we're
working
on
the
logistics
around
getting
tanked
carbon
dioxide,
which
you
know
instead
of
dry
ice.
We
could
get
delivery
of
Tanks
it's.
It
removes
the
complications,
but
that's
in
the
works.
J
D
D
Our
head,
our
heads
of
Department,
using
that
capacity
to
write
new
rules.
You
know
especially
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
the
whole
issue
around
new
construction
and
sometimes
city
services,
some
city
services,
not
all
come
to
the
conversation
late
in
the
day
when
the
project
is
sort
of
in
the
final
stages
of
approval,
and
it's
very
hard
to
change
the
direction,
and
certainly
the
developers
are
not
very
happy
to
see
us
weighing
in
on
closed
up
trash
rooms
and
how
are
you
going
to
dispose
of
your
trash
so
I'm?
D
G
We
have
certainly
thought
about
it,
but
we
haven't.
We
don't
have
anybody
focused
on
policy
in
in
that
that
would
kind
of
drive
that
as
of
right
now
like
we
did,
we
haven't
had
those
deep
conversations
with
bpda.
We
certainly
we
certainly
React
to
what
we
see
in
the
streets
and
what
we,
what
you
know
how
we
handle
it.
I
know
the
environment.
Department
tackles
a
little
bit
from
a
commercial
trash
level.
G
Like
that's
commercial
trashes
is
there
kind
of
expertise
and
they
they
kind
of
handle
it
from
that
level
commercially
and
they
made
they
may
deal
with
it
in
some
of
the
bigger
buildings.
I
don't
know,
but
but
we
haven't
actually
tackled
it
other
than
giving
it
a
lot
of
deep
thought
recently
about
how
we
how
we
can
start
to
change
Behavior
inside
the
city
to
be
more
efficient,
trash-wise.
D
And
you
know
I
think
Dennis.
We
should
set
up
a
conversation
after
this
to
really
go
into
some
of
the
nitty-gritty
of
all
of
this,
especially
the
problems
with
regard
to
enforcement
and
and
then
the
documentation.
The
fact
that
we
can't
have
a
reliable
paper
trail
that
allows
us
to
enforce
our
regulations
is
a
big
problem.
One
question
that
we
had
with
ISD
last
year
with
regard
to
thinking
about
all
of
this
was
that
the
a
lot
of
the
documentation
was
sort
of
a
pencil
and
paper
exercise.
Do
we?
Oh?
F
D
F
D
Know,
as
a
council,
I
think,
I
think
councilor
Bach
would
agree
with
us
that
we
really
want
to
support
you
in
every
way
you
can
so
it
could
be
really
effective
in
enforcing
the
rules
around
the
book,
so
we
cannot
hold
Bad
actors
accountable
and
actually
improve
the
situation
for
our
residents
across
the
city.
So
anything
I,
look
forward
to
further
conversation.
I
think
this
is
just
the
start
of
it
and
and
I'm
also
going
to
explore.
D
You
know
the
whole
idea
figure
out
in
the
whole
whatever's
happening
in
Somerville
to
see
if
we
could
maybe
think
about
a
pilot
program
over
like
the
bin
program
that
was
done
12
years
ago
to
see,
if
there's
any
potential,
to
do
some
sort
of
a
pilot
program
with
some
of
this
more
smart,
this
new
new
technology
that
we
could
Implement
in
a
local
area
just
to
get
some
metrics
of
how
effective
it
is
and
if
it's,
if
it's
worth
doing
on
a
bigger
scale,
but
I'd
love
to
have
a
conversation
great.
We.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
great,
thank
you.
So
much
councilor
Braden
yeah
lots
of
follow-up
I'm
excited
about
the
trash
fellow
excited
about
the
rat
analytics,
but
really,
like
you
know,
I
really
would
like
to
pull
this
time
period
in
in
the
new
trash
contract,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
just
feel
like
we
got
to
do
everything
we
can
on
the
containerization
and
experimental
front.
A
So
like,
let's
find
a
few
places
to
try,
you
know
Central
bins,
let's
think
great,
to
hear
you
guys
have
maybe
a
smaller
Solution
on
some
of
the
composting
I
actually
think.
Interestingly,
I
was
thinking
Joel
that
some
of
the
analysis,
you
guys
do
some
of
the
constraints
of
space
that
BHA
public
housing
has
sort
of
in
terms
of
unit
by
unit
are
actually
similar
for
the
sort
of
tight
old,
pre-war
apartment
buildings
that
are
in
some
of
the
parts
of
the
city
I
represent.
A
I
think
really
really
we
need
to
be
doing
and
to
that
end,
I
do
want
to
give
members
the
public
a
chance.
So
if
you
guys
had
anything,
you
wanted
to
say
in
closing
great
other
I
obviously
would
appreciate
it.
If
the
Departments
would
stay
to
listen
to
the
public
testimony
Dennis
did
you
want
to
say
anything,
no.
A
A
But
if
you
do
want
to
testify
on
me
now
and
then
I've
got
a
bunch
of
people
on
Zoom
as
well,
so
want
to
go
first,
and
so
you
can
use
either
of
these
microphones
here
just
stand
at
the
microphone
and
just
make
sure
to
kind
of
speak
into
it,
because,
even
though
we
can
hear
you,
if
you
don't
in
the
room,
the
people
who
watch
the
hearing
on
Zoom,
don't
don't
get
what
you
say.
If
you
aren't
kind
of
sure
plus
you
have
the.
M
Floor
sure
hi,
my
name,
is
Alexandra
crevon
I
represent
425
427,
Marlborough
Street
in
Back
Bay
and
we're
chatting
about
residential
trash
and
the
issue
we
have
in
our
block,
and
thank
you
for
prioritizing
this.
This
has
been
going
on
for
a
few
years
on
our
block
and
we
really
would
love
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
I
did
submit
written
testimony
to
the
counselors
I
didn't
print
them
out.
I
didn't
want
to
create
waste,
so
I
apologize
for
that.
M
We
see
the
current
issues
as
not
just
rats,
but
also
trash
Pickers,
wind
and
uneducated
residents.
So
there's
a
few
parts
to
this.
Our
block
is
willing
to
work
with
the
city
and
to
pay
for
my
suggested
trash
containments
that
we
have
thought
about
their
size
and
their
placement
in
the
alleys
and
how
they'd
be
locked
and
that
they'd
be
accessible
for
both
a
residents
and
for
the
city
and
with
specific
signage,
so
that
each
building
knows
where
to
put
their
trash.
M
We
are
and
are.
We
are
requesting
that
trash
be
removed
from
Marlborough
Street,
it's
the
only
block
on
Marlborough
or
on
Back
Bay
that
has
trash
out
there.
Well,
that
was
instituted
about
five
or
six
years
ago
with
the
Old
Trafford
star,
and
it
just
isn't
working
due
to
the
issues
with
trash
collection,
the
timing
and
have
been
left
out
on
the
street
all
day,
we're
looking
for
City
approval
for
our
pilot
program
and
we'd
love
to
work
with
the
city
for
trash
collection
and
collaborate
with
enforcement.
M
A
N
It's
quite
an
introduction
good
afternoon
Madame,
chair
and
fellow
neighbors
and
everyone
who's
working
on
this
issue.
I
really
appreciate
it.
My
name
is
Diana
cauldron,
I've
been
a
resident
of
Beacon
Hill
for
22
years,
my
family
and
I
moved
here
from
Philadelphia
in
2000.
Ever
since
2009
I've
been
involved
with.
Basically,
everything
from
recycling
to
trash
I
was
on
the
Beacon
Hill
civic
association,
and
the
green
committee
was
very
active
in
implementing
an
extra
recycling
day
and
Susan
casino,
with
the
city
helped
us
with
that.
N
So
that
was
fun
to
work
with
her
I
appreciate
you
holding
this
hearing,
I
believe
that
the
rodent
issue
is
probably
number
one
quality
of
life
issue
right
now
in
the
city
and
definitely
in
Beacon
Hill.
Looking
at
the
3-1-1
calls
it's
very
interesting
to
hear
the
numbers,
because
I
think
that's
concrete
data
that
we
can
look
at
and
hopefully
work
towards
a
lower
number
of
rodent
activity
calls
I'm
just
looking
at
it
briefly
right
now.
N
It
was
referenced
in
the
Boston
Globe,
but
it
was
a
March
2022
review
article
in
the
Frontiers
in
ecology
and
evolution
by
Michael,
Lee
and
several
co-authors.
They
reviewed
over
4
000,
Municipal
studies
and
ways
that
municipalities
have
addressed
rats,
and
it's
no
surprise
that
out
of
the
all
those
review
of
Publications
they
came
up
with.
N
Focusing
on
the
food
that
was
the
most
effective
lethal
concentration
on
lethal
methods
was
not
as
effective.
So
I
think
you
alluded
to
that.
So,
given
that
I'm
here
to
advocate
for
the
same
day,
trash
pickup,
which
our
neighborhood
has
actively
advocated
for
for
at
least
as
long
as
I've
lived
here
and
I,
think
that
that
will
really
cause
an
effective
reduction,
maybe
even
acceptable
amount
of
rats
in
the
area
right
now.
What
we're
seeing
is
that
the
trash
will
sit
out.
N
So
even
though
several
of
us
on
our
block,
put
it
out
at
5
30
in
the
morning,
it
may
sit
there
really
until
four
or
five
in
the
afternoon.
Some
suggestions
that
I
have
as
a
resident
is
that
I
noticed
that
Recycling
and
trash
lingers
on
Charles
Street,
which
is
our
main
shopping
street
and
really
a
go-to
destination
for
tourists,
so
I
would
recommend
that
that
would
be
picked
up.
First,
we
have
tourists
coming
into
shops.
N
Making
comments
like
is
this
is
this:
is
this
common
on
a
Friday
afternoon
that
your
your
trash
is
sitting
out
all
day,
so
we're
getting
comments
like
that
to
the
shop
owners
I,
think
education
is
key
and
I
think
that
you
know
in
Beacon
Hill
the
average
age
of
our
residents
or
in
their
young.
Like
early
30s
and
so
there's
constant
transition,
so
I
think
that
whatever
type
of
education
articles
that
needs
to
be
constantly
like
every
quarter
call
3-1-1
and
address
the
situation.
N
N
It
might
be
quite
costly,
but
Washington
DC
has
been
utilizing
this
and
the
company
itself
has
reported
that
in
their
studies,
there's
been
a
huge
rat
reduction
when
they
employ
this
special
food
that
actually
causes
rats
not
to
be
able
to
have
babies.
So
I
wonder
if
that's
something
we
can
also
look
at
and
I
also
appreciate.
I
know.
N
So
people
really
feel
that
there's
someone
working
on
their
side
I
know
in
Beacon
Hill
recently,
there's
been
some
instances
where
there's
Rats
on
private
property
and
that
the
city
has,
you
know,
suggested
that
those
residents
hire
their
own
private
pest
control
companies,
perhaps
there's
a
situation
where
they
could
sign
a
waiver
like
in
Somerville
and
that
the
city
folks
could
help
residents
actually
find
the
solution,
find
the
issue
on
their
property
and
solve
it.
So
those
are
just
some
ideas,
but
thank
you
for
all
for
addressing
it.
N
A
O
O
O
So
imagine
my
dismay
in
the
last
three
months
when
this
backyard
that
I
used
to
have
like
a
kiddie
pool
and
my
flowers
and
sit
outside
and
have
you
know,
cupcakes
and
a
drink
of
wine
in
the
evening
or
breakfast
with
the
kids,
is
totally
completely
overrun
with
rats.
There
was
a
tree
this
size,
you
saw
it
in
the
back
of
the
memo.
I
wrote
you
about
this
size.
O
Of
course,
I
called
the
city
to
ask
for
help
from
3-1-1,
but
that
little
backyard
in
Beacon
Hill
is
not
accessible
by
the
city,
because
it's
you
know
closed
in
between
Myrtle
Street
and
Pinckney.
Street
I
have
spent
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
honestly,
probably
five
or
six
hours
of
my
life
since
August,
trying
to
every
week
trying
to
work
with
contractors
to
try
to
get
rid
of
these
rats.
It's
honestly
like
terrible,
like
scary,
like
they're
running
all
around
in
the
daytime
in
the
night,
so
I'm
trying
to
say
here.
O
I
am
a
person
that
has
time
I
have
the
money
to
spend
on
it,
I'm
from
Beacon
Hill
I'm,
trying
to
like
figure
it
out
myself.
You
know
I
used
to
be
an
engineer
and
a
consultant
I
am
sitting
there
saying
what
if
this
happened
to
somebody
else,
what
if
somebody
else's
backyard
that
didn't
have
the
kind
of
influence
that
I
would
have
to
try
to
solve
this,
it's
frightening
and
shocking.
So
that's
why
I
broke
the
memo.
I
put
a
few
pictures
on
the
back.
I
would
have
loved
it
if
the
city
was
like.
O
Oh
hey,
Michelle,
yeah,
sure
we'll
work
with
you.
Just
even
just
give
me
ideas,
I've
been
through
three
Pest
Control,
guys
I
had
heartney
Grandma
crane
the
tree
that
they
were
living
in
over
Pinckney
Street
I,
put
that
on
my
Instagram.
If
you
ever
want
to
see
them
pulling
that
tree,
but
that
whole
entire
tree
that
had
been
there
for
a
hundred
years
was
being
used
eventually
figured
out
in
the
last
couple
years
as
a
rat
Den,
they
just
went
down
the
tree
now.
O
The
whole
tree
root
system
is
where
they
are
so
there's
holes
all
over
my
yard,
the
next
door,
neighbors
two
neighbors
down
everybody's
got
rats
and
it's
right
near
the
state
house.
So
I
am
simply
saying:
I've
spent
money
time.
My
intellect
my
networking
and
I'm
not
very
far
so
I
would
love
to
work
with
somebody
from
your
organization
to
be
like
a
pilot,
and
you
guys
can
take
all
the
credit
and
and
just
make
the
rats
go
away
in
those
three
areas,
and
you
know
people
in
Beacon
Hill
will
contribute
our
neighborhood.
O
We
clean
the
streets
before
the
street
cleaner
comes
right.
We
charge
everybody
on
the
Block
like
150
bucks,
we've
been
doing
it
for
years,
so
we
always
have
like
little
kitties.
We
clean
the
streets
before
then
you
clean
them,
and
it
ends
up
looking
pretty
good
on
Pinckney
Street,
but
these
rats
were
making
like
no
progress
on.
A
You
so
so
much
Michelle
and
and
I
think
I.
Think
that
the
point
that
you
make
in
your
memo
that
you
know
not
only
is
this
a
really
difficult
thing
for
an
for
a
resident
to
take
on
financially
in
terms
of
time
and
in
terms
of
just
like
learning
about
it
right
from
junk
like
even
knowing
that
it
I
mean
I,
will
I'll
say
before
this
I
didn't
know
that
rats
could
take
over
a
tree's
root
system
as
a
burrow.
A
So
that's
a
terrible
new
fact
that
I
know
now,
but
but
I
think
you
know
in
addition
to
that,
as
you
point
out
right,
even
when
we
pour
a
ton
of
resources
in
if
all
that
you're
doing
is
displacing
the
rats
to
the
next
block
over.
You
know
at
some
point,
they'll
end
up
in
some
public
ways,
and
then
they
become
this.
A
Oh
great,
yes,
if
you
want
to
one
second
I'll,
just
ask
Ron:
do
you
mind
going
and
getting
the
it
you're
you're?
Not
Tucker.
Are
you
Austin,
okay,
yeah,
just
just
yeah.
Give
me
one.
Second
formally
he'll
go
get
me
the
your
name
and
then
I'll
call
it
out,
but
you
can
come,
get
come
down
and
get
ready
and
then
and
then,
like
I,
said
I'm
gonna
go
to
the
folks
on
Zoom,
because
we've
got
some
folks
waiting
patiently.
There.
P
Thank
you
so
much
so
I'm
Austin,
King
and
I'm
in
your
District,
councilman,
counselor
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I've
called
3-1-1
multiple
times
and
you
guys
have
been
super
responsive.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
know.
Jake
Warner
had
come
out
personally
and
taken
my
call
and
came
out
at
like
9
30
on
a
trash
night,
specifically
to
kind
of
see
the
scenario
so
I
live
on
Fairfield
and
Marlboro,
but
the
only
access
to
my
apartment
is
through
the
public
alley
and
that's
where
all
the
trash
is.
P
So
you
have
to
go
through
the
like
sort
of
tunnel
of
trash
to
get
there,
and
you
know
they
hear
the
footsteps
and
then
15
20
rats
come
out
and
you
have
to
walk
through
that
every
trash
night.
So
you
know
not
only
a
public
safety
concern,
but
just
disgusting
and
you
know
I'm.
You
know
guys
my
girlfriend's
gonna,
try
and
move
in
with
me
and
in
the
next
next
year
and
on
and
it's
impossible
to
sell
the
rats.
It's
like
we're.
P
P
We've
put
hired
a
rat
guy
to
come
and
put
traps
out
and
get
their
food.
Nothing
works.
The
rats
will
still
chew
through
those
wooden
fences
that
go
in
between
each
of
the
backyards
there,
and
you
know
it's
it's
not
even
a
building
by
building
issue.
It's
like
you,
know
a
whole
neighborhood
issue,
so
you
know
people
try
and
just
do
it
for
their
specific
building
when
it's
not
really
affecting
the
whole
issue.
It's
just
putting
a
Band-Aid
on
it.
P
P
We
urge
you
to
put
them
out
the
next
night
because
there's
rats,
but
he
actually
cussed
me
out
after
that
and
told
me
to
mind
my
own
business
and
said
let
the
rats
run
around
themselves,
and
so
you
know
we
can
educate
people,
but
there
will
be
these
Bad
actors
who
don't
care
about
it
at
all
and
will
do
whatever
you
know,
just
whatever
suits
their
lifestyle.
So
we
are
dealing
with
these
people
and
I
know
at
the
the
end
of
my
street.
P
Additionally,
there's
no
room
for
trash
cans,
really
on
my
block,
there's
like
the
met
the
cylindrical
poles
that
prevent
cars
from
crashing
into
the
building
if
they
make
a
bad
turn.
So
you
know
it's
probably
about
like
a
foot
and
a
half
like
space
on
the
ground
back
there
and
then
there's.
You
know
a
bunch
of
parking
spots
so
you're
either
gonna
have
to
come
into
your
parking
spot,
for
a
trash
can
or
you
know,
move
those
cylindrical
columns.
P
So
I,
don't
know
how
you
plan
to
do
that,
but
I
appreciate
you
guys
continually
being
creative
and
trying
to
come
up
with
an
Innovative
solution
that
this
requires.
So
I
do
have
some
ideas
no
need
to
address
them
now,
but
just
General
things
that
you
know.
We've
already
addressed
some
of
these
during
the
meeting,
but
building
upwards
I
love
that
idea
that
one
of
the
counselors
said
over
there.
P
If
there's
like
hooks
or
anything
that
you
can
place
a
a
trash
can
on
that,
you
know,
rats
can't
chew
through
I
know
they
chew
through
plastic.
They
chew
through
pretty
much
anything,
that's
not
concrete
or
metal.
So
if
there
was
something
there
that
could
people
could
just
kind
of
lift
up
and
put
in
I
think
that
would
be
super
helpful.
P
P
You
know
I,
don't
know
if
there's
some
type
of
food
that
wouldn't
be
harmful
to
like
a
dog
or
any
non-target
animal
that
would
kill
rats,
but
I
think
that
is
potentially
worth
looking
into
I
like
this.
The
Innovative
solution
of
sending
out
animals
naturally
like
the
owls
or
the
definitely
not
skunks,
but
maybe
cats,
or
something
like
that.
P
You
know
just
Innovative
like
that
and
instead
of
negatively
reinforcing
a
lot
of
the
punishment.
So
if
someone
is
a
bad
actor
and
you
know
punishing
them,
what
about
positive
reinforcement
like
a
tax
cut
or
something
you
know
if
people
are
doing
the
right
thing,
then
you
know
incentivizing
them
to
do
that
through
you
know
one
way
or
another
and
giving
a
tax
break.
P
What
about
trash
pickups
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
then
lastly,
100
I
think
the
the
solution
is
to
work
on
the
the
contracts
with
the
garbage.
The
garbage
collectors,
because
you
know,
if
you
just
have
them,
come
out
right
in
the
morning
and
just
have
either
more
garbage
pickup
trucks
or
anything
like
that.
I
think
that
would
be
way
more
effective
than
having
you
know.
P
We
have,
in
our
alley,
just
open
bags,
just
lining
the
entry
to
the
alley
and
there's
like
a
you
know,
you
can
see
holes
in
the
trash
bags
where
they
go
all
the
way
through
from
one
end
to
the
other,
so
any
obviously
the
less
time
the
trash
is
out
there,
the
better
so
just
want
to
Echo
that
point.
I
appreciate
you
hearing
hearing
me
out
on
this,
so
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
Austin
and
we
would
love
for
your
girlfriend
to
become
a
Back,
Bay
resident,
so
I'll
work
on
that
and
I
do
think.
You
know
I
just
I
want
to
stress
for
Department
folks
here
that
to
me
it
feels
like
you
know,
especially
when
we
talk
about
sort
of
pilots
and
experimenting
with
things
you
know
working
with
our
places
where
we
have
a
block.
You
know
where
folks
just
recognize
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
not
working
and
there's
kind
of
that
openness
to
experimentation
and
trying
things
out.
I.
A
Think
often
you
know
as
a
city,
we
don't
want
to
impose
on
people
something
that's
a
new
way
of
doing
it,
especially
if
we're
not
doing
it
for
the
whole
city
all
at
once,
but
I.
You
know,
I
I
really
hope
that
we
can
kind
of
move
forward
with
some
Partnerships
with
the
folks
who
are
reaching
out
saying
Hey
try
something
here,
because
what
we
have
is
not
working
I
want
to
go
to
the
folks.
I've
got
in
the
zoom
room
and
I.
Just
I've
got
a
list.
A
A
A
A
Q
Q
There's
a
couple
of
things
that
crossed
my
mind.
One
of
the
things
you
said
at
the
very
beginning
about
coordinating
within
the
the
area.
I
think
that
would
be
really
huge.
Oh
I
just
participated
in
the
hearing
on
the
restaurants
and
the
plans
to
have
more
restaurants.
Putting
aside
how
I
feel
about
that
it
it!
No
nobody
was
concerned.
Nobody
was
talking
about
trash
until
different
people
who
were
online
started.
Q
Talking
about
the
problem
that
has
come
from
that
with
respect
to
trash
Etc,
you
know
with
it
like
six
months
out
of
the
Year,
basically
no
street
cleaning
and
the
commercial
trash
so
you've
hit
on
that
and
I'm
glad
that
you
did
and
I
would
suggest
that
there
must
be
a
way
to
maybe
have
different
areas
of
a
city.
A
government
who
are
doing
these
different
components
would
be
able
to
get
together.
So
they
would
know
about
it
because
it
really
was.
Q
They
seemed
to
prize
by
the
fact
that
that
was
an
issue
and
I
I
think
with
respect
to
the
contract.
I,
don't
know
what
it
says,
but
does
it
really
have
to
wait
for
a
year
and
a
half
if
they're
not
doing
any
of
the
things
that
at
least
were
promised
we're
going
to
be
done?
Maybe
those
were
just
the
promises
from
the
city
folks
and
not
from
who
pushing
the
last
contracts
and
not
from
the
contractors
themselves,
but
if
they
can
be
here
early
some
mornings
and
not
others.
Q
If
at
all
possible,
I
don't
know
if
that
is,
but
if
it
would
be,
it
would
be
terrific
and
also
any
kind
of
digging
of
Contracting
that's
going
on.
If
we
could
have
that.
That
would
be
terrific
to
have
some
dating
because
we've
been
kind
of
just
informally
checking
with
people
who've
been
on
Charles
Street
for
like
weeks
now,
and
they
look
at
you
like.
They
have
no
idea
what
we're
talking
about
like
whether
they've
dated
when
they
do
the
digging
in
the
construction,
so
I
think
I.
Q
A
Thank
you
so
much
Nancy,
yeah
and
I
think
Nancy
brings
up
a
really
good
point.
She
she
lives
on
the
flat
of
the
hill
and
we
have
a
lot
of
areas
in
my
district
where
residents
and
Commercial
life
is
so
close
together
that
really
like
they're,
totally
intertwined
issue,
so
yeah
definitely
would
love
to
us
to
chase
some
of
those
suggestions:
Parker
James,
if
Parker's
on
and
then
otherwise
go
to
Conrad
Armstrong
and
then
Dr
Valerie,
Smith,
there's
Parker
great.
R
R
There
are
Lexi
crevin,
my
next
door,
neighbor
Conrad,
Armstrong
and
Carolyn
Reeves
are
all
going
to
have
given
testimony
by
the
end
of
today,
I'm
going
to
just
simply
say
that
I
support
the
idea
of
the
pilot
program
or
multiple
pilot
programs
for
the
neighborhood.
This
is
an
ongoing
problem.
There
are
complex
causes
and
I
think
there
might
not
be
one
single
solution.
We
might
have
to
try
multiple
things
regarding
the
rat
population.
R
They
are
up
on
stilts
and
they
are
they
have
like
flap
doors.
They
keep
the
wind
out.
The
cats
are
doing
great
and
the
neighbors,
the
the
cats
originally
inhabited
a
junkyard
and
the
neighbors
did
not
want
when
the
junkyard
was
removed.
The
neighbors
did
not
want
to
lose
the
feral
cats,
because
the
barrel
cats
did
a
great
job
of
dealing
with
the
rodents.
R
A
L
Businesses
in
these
kind
of
buildings
can
use
those
hard
plastic
rollable
bins
and
are
apparently
allowed
to
leave
the
bins
on
the
Alley
sidewalk
24
7,
because
they
have
such
frequent
trash
pickup
by
private
vendors
based
my
inquiries
to
ISD.
Apparently,
residents
are
not
allowed
to
do
that.
I'm
sure.
There's
some
reasons
behind
that
logic.
L
I
think
the
city
needs
to
make
exceptions
for
certain
situations
where
a
residential
building
that
has
trash
pickup
in
the
alley
and
has
no
rear
yard
and
no
interior
common
space
for
bin
storage
can
use
or
even
be
forced
to
use
rollable
hard
bins
that
are
essentially
left
on
the
public
alley.
Sidewalk
at
all
times,
just
like
the
rollable
bins
that
are
used
by
businesses
in
the
alleys
between
Boylston
and
Newbury
streets,
bins
would
be
temporary,
so
could
be
moved
for
fire
or
snow
emergency
or
utility
work.
L
This
will
allow
large
Residential
Building
to
put
their
trash
out
without
bags
spilling
into
the
alley
where
they
run
over
by
cars
and
broken
apart,
and
would
actually
make
it
easier
for
the
trash
collectors,
because
fewer
bins
is
easier
to
collect
than
tons
of
half
open.
It's
June
about
thin
garbage
bags,
also
trash.
My
alley
sometimes
picked
up
at
6am,
but
sometimes
as
late
as
6
p.m,
which
happened
again.
L
This
past
Monday,
which
caused
a
disaster
because
one
large
Residential
Building
puts
the
trash
out
at
5
PM
the
night
before
assuming
the
route
and
schedule
of
garbage
trucks
is
known.
How
about?
Having
a
system
where
people
could
voluntarily
sign
up
for
automated
text
messages
telling
them
roughly
when
their
particular
Street
or
alley
will
be
picked
up
that
day.
This
would
certainly
require
coordination,
integration
with
trash
collection
companies,
but
we
need
to
think
outside
the
box
for
Innovation
innovative
solutions.
L
Obviously
not
everyone
has
the
flexibility
to
put
the
trash
out
at
flexible
times
of
people
who
live
full-time
at
home
or
work
from
home
might
actually
want
to
wait
to
one
hour
before
their
particular
trash
is
picked
up,
because
they
then
will
know
that
it
will
reduce
the
likelihood
that
their
own
trash
will
be
broken
apart
by
rats
or
birds
or
bottle
collectors.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Conrad
and
strongly
agree.
It
would
be
great
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
those
updates
and
I
know.
We've
talked
about
trash
truck
tracking
and
opportunities
there,
but
I
agree
with
all
those
comments:
all
right:
Dr,
Valerie,
Smith
and
Carolyn
Reeves,
then
Harvey,
Fisher
and
again
I'm
just
going
to
check
for
anyone
else
Valerie.
If
she's
here.
A
S
Oh
yes,
I'm
sorry
about
my
my
video
there
I
want
to
First
say
thank
you
to
Public
Works
and
the
ISD
Teams,
with
a
special
shout
out
to
Gerard
Gorman
and
to
our
city
councilors,
whose
personal
dedication
to
the
city
is
really
impressive.
I'm
thinking
of
counselor
Flynn
running
after
a
illegal
dumper,
which
is
quite
remarkable,
I,
also
want
to
mention
John
stelberger,
who
started
EHS
and
the
use
of
dry
ice
in
rat
control
because
he
is
a
personal
hero.
S
I
just
think
he's
phenomenal,
so
counselor
Flynn
started
off
us
off
talking
about
the
impact
of
rats
on
families.
My
two
sons
learned
to
count
by
looking
out
our
window
in
the
back
alley
and
Counting
rats.
One
two,
three
four
five
you
know,
and
now
my
son
is
a
senior
in
college
majoring
in
math,
so
I
I
do
have
to
thank
the
the
rats
for
something,
but
we've
got
a
new
problem,
which
is
that
we
used
to
have
our
rats
contained
in
the
back
alley.
S
Now,
with
our
trash
having
been
moved
about,
maybe
three
to
five
years
ago,
as
let's
see
crevon
mentioned,
moved
out
onto
Marlborough
Street,
the
rats
have
just
moved
from
our
back
alley
where
they
were
more
or
less
contained
into
the
front.
They've
undermined
front
Gardens
they've
taken
out
Planters
we've
had
walkways
collapsing
and
we
really
need
to
try
to
concentrate
the
trash
in
our
back
alleys,
because
at
least
then
our
properties
are
protected
from
this
Unholy
mess.
S
S
Thinking
about
these
Solutions
staggered
timing,
pickups
for
neighborhoods
enhanced
with
new
technologies
as
Conrad
Armstrong,
suggested
smartly
sized
containers
that
can
be
used
in
tight
situations
like
in
our
back
alley,
as
Conrad
Armstrong
suggested
on
the
sidewalks
that
haven't
been
available
to
us.
For
example,
smart
locks
on
those
containers
only
accessible
to
the
city
workers
and
to
those
who
are
supposed
to
put
their
their
garbage
in
those
containers,
Nanny
cams,
real
or
faux.
We
we
don't.
S
A
A
K
K
Okay,
my
name
is
Heff
Fisher
and
unfortunately
I'm
at
my
home
in
Mexico
right
now,
but
the
I
live
at
461,
Commonwealth,
Avenue,
corner
of
Commonwealth
and
Charles
gate
West.
As
Kenzie
is
Thoroughly
aware,
we've
been
working
on
the
issue
of
somehow
getting
the
trash
under
control
on
Charles
gate
West
is.
It
is
absolutely
a
nightmare
over
there
we're
not
going
to
go
into
that
at
this
meeting.
It's
not
the
agenda,
but
I
do
want
to
make
some
suggestions
of
things
that
came
up
today.
K
One
of
the
things
is
that
fines
are
just
not
sufficient
they're.
A
25
repeat
fine
is
ridiculous
and
we
have
a
large
number
of
buildings
that
dump
onto
Charles
Charles
gate,
West,
actually
13
buildings
and
a
lot
I'd
say.
Probably
75
percent
of
the
buildings
are
rentals,
our
apartment,
rentals
with
a
very
large
student
population
and
they
don't
care
about
the
fines.
K
What
the
issue
I
know:
the
city
has
tried
to
go
after
some
of
the
resident
residential
buildings
on
Beacon
Street,
because
the
problem
is
so
horrendous
on
that
street
I
think
with
the
apartment
buildings,
especially
if
it's
up
to
the
landlord
to
be
coming
down
on
people
in
their
buildings
who
are
illegally
dumping,
which
they
are
doing
all
the
time.
The
fine
should
be
escalated
very
heavily
on
the
landlord
owners
if
their
residents
are
constantly
in
malfeasance
on
this
matter.
That
may
help
these
apartment
buildings
to
really
start
taking
this
matter
seriously.
K
All
the
time
and
I've
sent
you
videos,
we
have
I
had
a
Mercedes
right
before
I
left,
pull
up
with
her
SUV,
obviously
Suburban
woman
and
she
dumped
all
her
bags
onto
Charles
gate
West
and
avoids
her
having
to
pay
for
going
to
a
city
dump
in
wherever
she
lived,
Bedford,
Lexington
or
whatever.
When
she
comes
to
work,
we
run
into
that
all
the
time
I've
sent
you
actual
videos
of
comfort
rotation
with
truck
drivers
at
6
30
in
the
morning
filled
with
trash,
and
they
told
me
well.
K
They
were
told
that
all
the
trash
they
pick
up
up
on
Bay
State
Road,
is
supposed
to
go
on
Charles
gate.
West
I
mean
it
is
really
a
terrible
situation,
but
with
the
homeless
population
it'd
be
okay.
If
the
bags,
because
most
people
responsibly
dispose
as
are
required
in
plastic
bags
closed
up,
we
do
have
a
real
problem
with
paper
bags.
I,
don't
know
where
that's
coming
from,
which
tend
to
be
tipped
over
and
thrown
all
over,
but
the
homeless
people
and
I've
sent
you
video
and
Josh
Josh
Warren
who's
fabulous.
K
Your
assistant,
like
he's,
been
really
helpful.
I've
sent
you
videos,
I've,
sent
you
photographs
of
the,
because
I
have
cameras
on
it
of
these
guys
and
they
come
through
in
armies,
four
or
five
times
a
night
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
My
cameras
pick
them
up.
They
rip
the
bags
open,
they're,
not
just
being
polite
about
it.
They
rip
them
open,
not
necessarily
looking
for
bottles
they're.
K
Looking
for
Bounty
of
some
sort,
discarded
appliances,
whatever
they
it
can
take
and
they
dump
the
trash
on
the
sidewalk
and
it's
become
a
major
personal
hassle
for
me,
because
I'm
known
as
The
Trashman
of
Charles
gate,
West
I
had
someone
to
cost
me
at
Star
Market
this
summer,
over
in
the
Fenway
two
two
homeless
guys
said:
hey
you're,
the
trash
guy
over
in
Charles
gate.
Aren't
you
I
said
yeah,
that's
I
suppose
so
they
thanked
me.
They
thanked
me.
K
He
said
at
least
you're
out
there
with
your
brooms,
with
your
buckets
and
your
trash
barrels
filling
one
to
two
trash
barrels
on
average
every
Tuesday,
especially
from
all
the
crap,
that's
all
of
the
sidewalks.
This
has
been
documented
on
channel
four
on
channel
10
I
mean
WBZ,
get
a
whole
thing
on
that
I'm
sure
you
saw
it.
There's
a
documentary
crew.
That's
talking
about
featuring
a
film
on
this
starting
when
I
get
back
into
May.
It's
an
untenable
situation
and
I.
K
Don't
think
it's
as
much
a
rat
issue
for
us
as
no
enforcement
anymore,
like
they
used
to
be
I've,
lived
in
Boston,
downtown
50
years
now,
being
Hill,
South,
End
and
now
Back
Bay
West,
there's
no
sense
of
urgency
to
control
these
people
from
doing
what
they're
doing
and
they
don't
care.
They
truly
don't
care,
you
can
talk
to
them
and
they
just
look
at
you.
Give
you
the
finger.
I've
had
a
knife,
pull
to
me,
I've
had
an
ice
a.
K
K
Now
they
come
over
an
armada
from
Charles
gay
Park,
which
unfortunately,
now
is
the
mecca
for
hundreds
of
these
that
have
all
fled
the
Fenway
because
they
can't
get
into
the
area
there
anymore
because
of
the
fencing
and
everything
while
they're
doing
the
work
and
the
geese.
Poop
is
everywhere
everywhere
and
I
know.
Dogs
are
hugely
attracted
to
it.
I'd
be
very
surprised
if
these
are
not
two.
We
have
to
get
that
cold
just
like
they
called
on
the
Esplanade.
K
K
K
A
Feast
face
every
time
they
come
in
and
they
thank
me
again
for
going
out
at
6
30
in
the
morning
and
building
my
own
trash
barrels
with
the
stuff
all
over
the
sidewalk
sweeping
it
up,
so
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
it
when
they
come
through,
but
anyway,
thank
you
very
much.
I
hope
we
can
come
up
with
some
viable
Solutions,
but
this
thing
of
all
those
buildings,
dumping
on
Charles
gate
West-
is
untenable.
It
has
never
worked,
it's
never
going
to
work.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
T
The
end
of
the
alley
does
not
have
access
from
the
buildings
to
an
area
where
they
could,
you
know,
dispose
of
trash
in
a
in
a
very
good
way.
It
gets
cluttered
with
trash
cars
run
over
it
and
and
during
the
snow.
It's
it's
just
horrendous
and
and
rats
do
to
feed
there,
but
I
think
I
think
the
easiest
thing
the
easiest
First
Step
would
be
to
think
about
scheduling
in
areas
that
don't
allow
for
the
feeding
of
rats
investigating
alternative
ways
of
storing
trash.
T
Although
some
buildings
just
don't,
have
the
ability
to
take
a
even
one
of
these
large
barrels,
the
building
I'm
in
for
for
what
he
doesn't,
it
would
have
to
be
in
the
front
hall
and
which
would
be
pretty
hard
hard
thing
to
do
so
anyway.
I
wanted
to
thank
everybody
for
listening
to
us
and
and
and
for
all
the
ideas
that
were
expressed.
I
think
I
think
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
possibilities
for
improving
this
and
that's
the
optimistic
thought.
Thank
you.
A
He
just
notes
that
you
know
from
his
perspective
when
he
thinks
about
the
property
taxes
he
pays
the
city.
A
major
priority
would
be
anything
that
we
could
do
to
hire
more
Pest
Control
service
contracts
and
help
everyone
on
this
front,
and
then
he
just
makes
the
comment.
I
think
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
again
and
again.
Everybody
says
that
at
my
property,
where
I
have
sufficient
space
to
have
trash
barrels,
I
have
never
had
a
trash.
A
My
trash
invaded
either
by
a
rodent
or
a
human
looking
for
returnable
bottles,
but
my
apartment
dwelling
papers
are
not
so
fortunate.
It's
his
opinion.
The
city
made
the
rat
population
exponentially
worse
when
they
moved
the
trash
collection
so
early
to
6
a.m.
Since
people
started
putting
out
all
of
their
trash
the
night
before
you
know
it's,
he
thinks
it's
a
technical
violation
of
state
law
to
put
your
trash
out
before
midnight.
A
That
was
that
definition
of
a
day
thing
I
raised
earlier,
but
nobody's
going
to
stay
up
till
midnight
just
to
put
out
their
trash.
That's
certainly
true,
and
in
any
case
trash
pickup
in
our
neighborhood
increasingly
is
not
occurring
until
the
afternoon,
meaning
that
the
rat
Buffet
has
existed
for
18
or
more
hours.
At
that
point,
so
he
just
says
anything
you
all
can
do
to
help
us
would
be
much
appreciated,
as
this
is
the
worst
I've
seen
this
problem
in
my
60
years
as
a
resident
of
12
Bremer
Street.
A
So
just
wanted
to
get
that
on
the
record
for
Stephen
and
All
That
Remains
is
for
me
to
just
really
sincerely
thank
Dennis
and
John
and
Teresa
for
all
of
your
work
day
in
and
day
out,
and
also
for
staying
with
us.
For
this
whole
hearing
and
listening
to
all
the
residents
concerns
I
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
so,
and
at
councilor
Braden
did
you
want
to
say
any
any
final
words
before
I
gavel
us.
D
A
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
yes
and
please
think
of
the
council
as
a
partner
in
this.
We
do
not
have
the
technical
expertise,
but
we
yeah
I,
think
I,
think
this
council
is
very
willing
to
bring
resources
to
Bear,
bring
political
pressure
to
Bear
help
connect
when
it
comes
to
the
public
Communications
with
our
neighborhoods,
you
know
help
connect
you
guys
with
those
I.
A
Think,
like
you
know,
it's
the
the
single
thing
when
both
councilor
Flynn
introduced
his
Pest
Control
hearing
order
and
I
introduced
this
containerization
one
I
think
they
were
the
ones
that
the
most
counselors
stood
up
and
talked
about.
We
all
these
are
the
the
real
most
grounded
issues
of
the
city
that
we
deal
with,
and
we
want
to
help
our
constituents
have
better
quality
of
life
on
this
front.
So,
thank
you
so
much
and
with
that
this
hearing
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.