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City Services & Innovation Technology - Docket #1188 Order for a hearing to discuss the BPPA contract timeline, community process, and priorities
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Calling
this
hearing
to
order
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Kenzie
Bach
I'm,
the
district
8
Boston,
City
councilor,
and
also
the
chair
of
the
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology.
This
hearing
is
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov,
city-council,
TV
and
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
8,
RCN,
channel
82
and
FiOS
channel
964..
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Written
comments
today
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.csit
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors
we'll
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
If
you're
here
in
person
and
you'd
like
to
sign
up,
please
sign
up
in
the
corner,
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should
be
sheets
out
on
the
kind
of
broad
step
there.
If
you're
looking
to
testify
virtually,
you
can
email,
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for
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link
and
he'll
add
your
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to
the
list.
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Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
1188
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
the
bppa
contract
timeline,
Community
process
and
priorities,
it's
sponsored
by
counselors,
Lara
and
Arroyo,
and
we're
also
joined
here
today
by
councilor
Baker
and
counselor
Flynn.
So
I'm
gonna
briefly
go
to
my
colleagues
for
oh
and
counselor
louisian
as
well
I'm
going
to
go
to
my
colleagues
for
brief
opening
comments
and
then
we'll
be
going
to
the
administration.
We're
joined
here
today
by
Lou
mandarini
senior
advisor
for
labor
and
Brianna
milor
chief
of
community
engagement
before
I
go
to
colleagues.
A
I
just
want
to
frame
a
little
bit
this.
This
is
a
unusual
hearing.
We
traditionally
I
I
mean
I've
only
been
a
counselor
for
three
years,
but
under
three
different
mayors,
and
traditionally
the
policy
was
that
the
mayoral
Administration
didn't
come
and
talk
about
active
contract
negotiations
the,
but
the
mayor
Wu.
A
It
was
part
of
her
campaign
platform
that
she
was
going
to
talk
more
about
this
stuff,
and
it
really
follows
on
from
a
lot
of
conversations
that
the
council
had
over
the
last
couple
of
years
about
police
contracts
as
policy
documents
and
recognizing
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
policy
issues
that
do
concern
the
council
and
the
city
are
sort
of
like,
instead
of
being
run
through,
legislation,
they're
functionally
run
through
contracts,
and
so
even
though
there's
a
charter.
A
Prohibition
on
the
council
negotiating
contracts,
which
is
why
the
council
can't
go
back
and
forth
with
our
collective
bargaining
units
about
contractual
matters.
Because
of
this
broader
policy
interest.
We
do
need
to
have
a
public
forum
where
people
can
talk
about
these
issues,
and
so
that's
really.
What
today
is
is
meant
to
create.
A
A
There's
there's
some
distinction
between
them
being
able
to
talk
about
their
priorities
at
the
bargaining
table
and
being
able
to
not
being
able
to
literally
talk
about
the
exact
details
of
proposals
that
have
been
put
back
and
forth
across
the
table.
So
I
just
want
a
flag
for
colleagues
that
there
will
be
some
distinction
there,
but
we're
glad
that
they're
with
us
and
without
further
Ado
I'll
go
to
counselor
Laura,
Council
Arroyo
and
then
counselor
Baker,
Flynn
and
luigien
counselor
Lara.
You
have
the
floor.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
everybody
for
being
here
today.
I
first
off
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
councilor
Bach
and
my
co-sponsor
councilor
Arroyo
for
their
previous
work
and
Leadership
on
this
issue.
Among
many
other
things,
the
contract
between
the
patrolmen's
association
and
the
city
impacts
the
scope
of
the
Boston
Police
Department's
work.
How
and
when
our
constituents
interact
with
the
Department,
how
officers
are
disciplined
after
misconduct
and
the
City
of
resources
necessary
to
keep
the
department
running
as
it
currently
stands.
B
We're
also
here
to
hear
from
our
constituents
and
our
panelists
about
the
changes
that
they
want
to
see
in
the
contract,
and
my
hope
is
that
this
hearing
is
going
to
inform
this
body
as
we
create
policy
principles
that
the
Boston
city
council
should
consider
and
uphold
in
our
decision
making
process
once
the
contract
is
sent
to
us
for
approval.
I
know
that
this
is
an
emotionally
charged
issue
for
civilians
and
sworn
officers
alike.
But
ultimately,
this
is
the
uncomfortable
work
that
we
have
to
do.
B
We
can't
wait
to
watch
as
an
officer
sits
his
knee
on
a
man's
neck
for
eight
minutes,
or
until
we
see
one
of
our
officers
bragging
about
running
over
a
protester
to
have
these
conversations.
This
is
work
that
we
have
to
do
on
an
ongoing
basis.
All
of
the
time
every
day.
The
analogy
that
I
usually
like
to
use
is
that
we
have
to
treat
this
like
brushing
our
teeth.
B
It's
a
practice
that
we
take
on
and
we
do
it
every
day,
because
it's
no
because
we
know
that
it's
necessary
for
our
health
and
we
don't
just
stop
brushing
our
teeth
because
we're
uncomfortable
with
it
or
because
we
don't
want
to
do
it
anymore,
because
we
know
that
that
would
be
irresponsible.
And
so
my
hope
is
that
we
can
get
comfortable
with
having
these
conversations,
because
every
time
that
this
comes
in
front
of
us,
there
will
be
these
type
of
conversations.
B
So
thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Have
no
further
comment
and
I'll
see
the
floor
to
my
co-sponsor
Council.
C
Thank
you,
councilor
Arroyo,.
D
Madam,
chair
I
also
want
to
Echo
councilor
Lara
and
thanking
you
for
your
work
on
this
over
the
last
two
years
as
well.
I
think
for
me,
the
major
aspect
of
this
is
that
almost
all
reform
that
has
been
put
on
the
table
or
discussed
in
order
for
it
to
ever
become
a
reality
forever.
It's
to
be
officialized.
It
has
to
be
done
through
the
contract.
D
Much
of
those
reforms,
things
that
even
the
mayor
I
believe
sponsored
originally
the
idea
of
an
alternate
response
to
certain
crimes
like
homelessness
and
or
folks
who
are
struggling
with
addiction
similar
to
the
model
of
Cahoots
in
Oregon,
which
has
been
wildly
successful.
D
All
of
those
things
get
dictated
by
the
parameters
of
that,
and
so
you
know
it's
a
I
believe
councilor
Bach
essentially
has
said
you
know:
police
contracts
are
policy
documents
and
that
way
they
are
all
of
the
policies,
all
the
reforms
that
people
have
advocated
for
or
spoken
about.
In
the
last,
it's
not
like.
It's
been
refreshed
like
connected
to
just
the
last
two
years.
Many
of
these
reforms
have
been
discussed
for
decades.
D
D
What
the
city's
goals
for
this
process
are,
what
the
timelines
are,
and
you
know,
being
careful
to
respect
our
role
within
this
as
counselors
and
and
collective
bargaining,
but
also
just
to
make
sure
that,
on
the
basis
of
sort
of
what
was
promised
during
the
campaign,
and
also
the
specific
sort
of
interest
to
community
around
those
four
dimensions
of
the
contract,
that
there
is
some
public
conversation
about
what
what
the
goals
are
and
what
the
focus
is
and
where
we
stand
on
all
of
those
things,
and
so
in
order
to
just
jump
right
into
that
work,
I'm
going
to
seed
it
there,
and
just
thank
my
co-sponsor
and
the
chair
for
her
work
and
other
members
of
this
Council
who
have
now
moved
on
to
other
roles
who
have
also
lifted
up
this
work.
D
E
Thank
you,
madam
Chia,
you
had
started
by
saying
how
its
Conflict
for
us
to
be
to
insert
ourselves
into
contracts.
I
know
that
for
sure,
when
I
was
here
with
the
print
department,
the
city
council
was
unable
to
help
us
remain
open
in
the
print
and
department.
So
maybe
at
some
point
somebody
can
answer.
The
question
is:
why
is
why
are
we
and
why
are
we
able
to
insert
ourselves
here
now?
E
Is
this?
Is
this
something
that's
going
to
happen?
Will
be
the
fire
department
next
and
public
works,
or
we,
even
though
we're
not
supposed
to
insert
ourselves
in
contracts,
is
this?
Is
this
something
of
a
of
a
precedent
that
that
you
know
now
we're
going
to
insert
ourselves,
even
though
it
runs
contrary
to
the
the
Charter
and
and
I?
Don't
expect
you
to
answer
that
for
me
now,
but
maybe
at
some
point
along
the
way
we
I
will
get
an
answer
to
that.
Thank
you,
madam
Trail.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
as
you
highlighted
Madam
chair,
you
know
this
is
very
unusual
for
the
Boston
city
council
to
be
engaged
now
in
contract
negotiation
weighing
in
on
ongoing
labor
disputes
when,
when
both
sides
are
trying
to
negotiate
so
I'm
very
hesitant
at
this
time
to
offer
off
of
my
opinion
because
there
could
be,
there
could
be
an
issue
as
to
what
impact
this
hearing
would
have
on
on
the
contract
itself
and
whether
this
goes
to
court
or
not.
What
role
does
the
city
council
play
this
hearing?
F
What
role
did
this
hearing
play
in
the
discussion
or
negotiation
of
the
contract
so
I'm
very
hesitant
to
to
offer
my
testimony
here,
because
I
think
I
I
think
it's
inappropriate.
I'd
rather
have
an
opinion
from
from
the
city
of
Boston
legal
counsel,
about
what
is
the
role
of
the
city
council
on
ongoing
contracts
and
when
two
sides
are
sitting
at
the
the
table
or
if
it's
or
eventually,
if
it
goes
to
binding
arbitration.
F
What
impact
is
this
hearing
having
on
on
the
mayor's
ability
to
work
closely
with
the
bpda
to
get
the
best
contract
for
the
residents
of
Boston?
So
I'm
concerned
Madam,
chair
I'm,
also
concerned
that
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
on
the
streets
of
Boston.
F
That's
a
major
problem
as
a
district
City
councilor.
Our
job
is
to
advocate
for
resources
in
more
police,
and
we
do
that
as
District
councils
I
know
at
lodge,
though,
but
we
don't
have
enough
police
offices
on
the
streets
of
Boston
I
was
our
resource
is
a
stretched.
Then
police
officers
are
retiring
at
an
earlier
age
than
usual,
and
that's
one
issue
detailed
police
details.
Do
we
know
that?
Do
you
know
that
we
have
300
police
officers
that
do
details
every
day
that
are
on
the
streets
of
Boston?
F
Eliminating
those
details
would
take
300
police
officers
off
the
street.
Here's
my
point:
we
have
to
be
serious
about
public
safety
and
we
have
to
hire
three
to
four
hundred
police
officers
consistently
every
year
for
the
next
10
years,
because
police
officers
are
working,
forced
overtime,
16
hours
a
day.
F
Some
police
officers
are
working
24
hours
a
day,
24
hour
shifts
a
day,
so
we
can
say
we
well.
We
need
to
hire
civilian
flaggers,
but
the
real
issue
is
bringing
more
police
officers,
hiring
more
police
officers
on
the
streets
of
Boston.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
not
going
to
get
into
anything
relating
to
the
the
contract,
because
I
think
it's
highly
inappropriate
for
me
to
do
that
as
the
city
council
president
and
I'm
not
going
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
Thank
you,
councilor
Flynn,
councilor
luigien
and
then
we'll
go
to
counselor
colada
Council
of
Luigi.
Thank.
G
You,
madam
chair
and
I,
want
to
thank
all
the
members
of
community
all
the
members
of
Public
Safety,
who
are
here
for
this
hearing
I.
Think
it's
incredibly
important,
as
my
colleagues
have
stated,
that
everything
that
we
do
as
a
city
is
a
reflection
of
the
things
that
we
care
about,
whether
that
be
a
contract
being
a
reflection
of
what
we
say.
We
value
our
budget
being
a
reflection
of
our
of
what
we
value
here
in
the
city,
so
I
want
to
thank
Chief,
mallor
and
Lou.
G
Sorry
just
live
to
me
for
being
here
and
the
incredible
work
that
you're
doing
as
we
know
that
this
is
a
process
that
is
really
led
by
the
executive,
but
as
a
lot
as
the
legislative
body
for
the
city.
G
It's
important
that
we
have
oversight
over
what
spending
looks
like
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
me
as
a
new
city
councilor,
the
impasse
that
we
hit
during
budget
season,
because
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
do
like
you
know
we're
told
oh,
that's
controlled
by
that's
controlled
by
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
so
respecting
that
process.
G
Just
putting
on
the
floor
the
things
that
you
know
we
have
mentioned
in
in
that
we
care
about
including
overtime
pay,
raining
that
in
really
looking
at
court
time,
overtime,
hours
and
I
think
that
those
are
important
issues
and
I
know
that
the
administration
is
looking
at
all
these
issues.
I,
unfortunately,
have
other
commitments
that
were
scheduled
prior
to
this
hearing,
but
I.
So
I
just
want
to
put
my
questions
out
on
the
floor.
Just
what
what
does
a
public
process
for
engagement?
G
What
does
that
look
like
so
far,
and
it's
also
my
understanding
that
we're
not
yet
there's
there's
no
impacts.
G
The
mayor
is
currently
in
negotiations
and
talking
to
bppa,
but
if
you
could
give
us
a
sense
of
a
timeline
for
what
those
negotiations
look
like
I,
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
community
members
and
even
if
you
can't
address
substantively
the
issues
that
we've
elevated
as
a
Boston
city
council,
if
there
are
priorities
from
the
mayor's
office
that
you
want
to
share
with
us,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
Community
to
know
and
for
us
to
know,
as
we
think
about
when
this,
when
this,
when
this
comes
to
us
later.
H
You
chair
I'll,
keep
my
remarks
brief.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
both
for
being
here
today.
I
want
to
thank
everybody,
the
advocates
for
being
here,
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
safety
population
for
being
here
as
well
in
2020,
the
residents
of
Boston
ask
for
better
accountability
of
all
of
us
and
I
think
in
order
to
have
sufficient
accountability,
you
need
transparency
and
I.
H
Think
bringing
it
to
the
floor
today
is
an
effort
to
do
that
where
members
of
the
public
can
become
more
educated
and
not
saying
that
they're
not
already,
but
more
educated
about
this
process,
because
largely
these
conversations
happen
behind
closed
doors
and
I
think
that
it's
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
to
Foster
that
sort
of
environment
and
more
sunlight
the
better.
In
my
opinion,
I,
you
know,
I
am
looking
to
learn
from
this
conversation.
So
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
again
for
being
here.
I
also
have
to
leave
pretty
early
as
well.
H
A
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
So
much
counselor,
Coletta
and
I
also
have
an
absence
letter
from
counselor
Julia
Mejia,
which
I'll
read
into
the
record
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
Who's
not
able
to
be
with
us,
I
think
just
in
the
interest
of
time
and
knowing
we've
got
lots
of
folks
who
want
to
testify
I'm,
going
to
jump
straight
to
the
administration
without
going
on
a
long
speech
myself.
But
I
would
just
say
that
we
obviously
did.
A
We
had
a
docket
about
police
contracts
as
policy
documents
in
last
session
of
the
of
the
council,
and
so
we've
had
a
series
of
of
hearings
and
working
sessions
on
kind
of
these
matters
before
the
administration
participating
is
new,
but
I
do
think,
obviously,
like
the
council
does
have
a
history
of
engaging
substantively
on
these
things
and
the
charter.
A
Prohibition
specifically
on
the
making
of
contracts
by
the
council,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
distinction
out
there
I'm
going
to
go
now
without
further
Ado
to
again
Lou
mandarini
who's,
the
senior
advisor
to
the
mayor
and
chief
Brianna
Miller,
our
chief
of
community
engagement.
You
guys
have
the
floor.
I
Thank
you
chair
and
to
the
sponsors
additional
counselors,
as
well
as
the
public
safety
community
and
Advocates
and
community
members.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
today.
I'm
Brianna,
mallor
chief
of
community
engagement
for
the
city
of
Boston,
the
administration
Prides
itself
with
centering
the
community
in
all
of
its
processes,
but
specifically
the
process
on
engaging
constituents
regarding
Public
Safety,
because
we
know
and
understand
so
deeply
that
impacts
the
lives
and
well-beings
of
all
our
constituents.
I
By
doing
this
process
openly
we're
not
only
engaging
residents,
we
are
educating
residents
to
a
process
that
has
traditionally
been
convoluted
and
opaque.
This
Administration
aims
to
prioritize
what
we
unders
what
we
heard
during
many
conversations
like
the
police
commissioner
search
conversation,
although
it
wasn't
specifically
on
the
Police
contract
negotiations,
it
did
go
into
detail
with
community
members
on
the
Police
contract
and
them
using
this
as
a
tool
to
facilitate
police
reform.
Through
that
we
had
two
city-wide
listening
sessions.
I
A
hundred
over
hundreds
of
responses
were
in
responses
around
police
reform
that
was
available
in
level
different
languages.
We
also
held
a
meeting
in
the
ego
room
on
September
21st,
specifically
around
collective
bargaining
and
educating
residents,
Faith
leaders,
cultural
leaders,
neighborhood
leaders
around
this
process
and
their
input
from
that
meeting
stem
many
other
meetings
and
conversations
because
it
did,
it
did
spark
excitement
amongst
constituents
like
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
process
has
traditionally
been
very
siled
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
constituents
and
residents
were
informed
on
the
process.
I
We
also
appeared
on
a
media
platform
called
Java
with
Jimmy
on
November
17th
that
has
a
diverse
and
wide
viewership
to
make
sure
we
were
casting
a
wide
net
on
forming
informing
people
on
what
we
are
doing.
What's
going
on
to
gain
Insight
on
the
community's
thoughts
on
the
process,
the
Police
contract
is
just
one
way
to
drive
policy
change
and
we
want
to
see
it
that
we
want
to
see
in
a
city
that
we
all
know
and
love
so
deeply.
We
aim
to
have
a
trans.
It
is
important
to
note.
I
I
We
aim
to
have
a
transparent
process,
which
is
why
we
are
here
today.
This
is
a
part
of
community
engagement.
This
is
a
part.
This
is
a
deep
part
of
community
engagement,
engaging
with
the
counselors
hearing
public
testimony
and
using
any
and
every
platform
to
talk
about
the
marriage
priorities
and
the
values
when
it
comes
to
the
police
Union
contract.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
today,
I'm
going
to
pass
it
over
to
my
colleague,
Lou.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
Chief
Thank,
you,
chairwoman,
Buck
and
counselors.
J
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
in
person
today
to
answer
some
questions
and
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
bppa
contract,
we've
got
a
presentation
that
will
run
through
about
some
basic
facts
about
you,
know
the
negotiation
and
the
process
and
background,
but
I
would
say
at
the
outset
and
several
others
have
noted
it
that
the
decision
to
participate
today
with
live
testimony
as
opposed
to
sending
a
communication.
J
J
We
see
it
and
the
presentation
will
get
into
it
as
a
mark
of
respect
for
the
council
and
the
process,
we
hope
you'll
see
it
that
way
too.
You
know
we
look
forward
to
a
potentially
free,
open
and
detailed
discussion
about
the
community
process.
J
Bargaining
process
administration's
priorities-
and
you
know
the
essential
goal
or
actually
I-
should
say
two
goals
that
we
have
in
everything
that
we
do,
which
is
to
drive
reform
through
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
fix
the
problems
that
need
fixing
and
caught
a
fair
deal
for
our
police
officers.
J
You
know
those
are
the
two
things
that
drive
us
in
this
process
and
while
we're,
you
know,
present
and
glad
to
have
the
discussion
glad
to
answer
questions
I
I,
it
is
important
to
say
at
the
outset
and
I'll
be
a
little
bit
more
prescriptive
even
than
chairwoman
Buck.
There
are
some
things
that
we
cannot
answer,
questions
about
or
entertain
it's,
and
that
specifically
is
proposals
that
have
gone
across
the
table.
J
You
know
we
don't
consider
that
that
is
a
little
bit
too
close
to
the
prohibition
of
the
council's
role,
but
you
know
we
want
to
make
it
clear
that
is
not
meant
for
for
at
the
outset
or
in
response
to
any
questions
that
counselors
ask.
That
is
not
meant
as
a
mark
of
disrespect
to
the
council
or
to
individual
counselors
and
their
questions,
but
that's
rather
to
protect
the
city's
legal
position
and
strategies
and
bargaining
that
unfold
over
a
long
time.
J
So
with
that,
you
know,
I'll
say
thanks
again
and
we
can
move
on
to
the
the
presentation
and
the
discussion.
J
Foreign,
so
our
presentation,
which
we
have
done
in
various
other
forms,
including
a
meeting
with
Community
Advocates,
has
the
name
contract
negotiations
as
police
reform
and
so
I
think
some
basic
facts.
Some
basic
facts
about
the
process
and
the
players,
and
all
of
that
are
pretty
essential,
I
mean
I.
Think
the
council
has
a
lot
of
new
members
who
may
or
may
not
have
gone
through
one
of
these
before
so
who's
who
so
we're
talking
about
the
Boston
Police
patrolments
Association.
J
That
is
the
largest
of
four
unions
that
we
deal
with
of
sworn
officers.
J
Bppa
has
about
1600
members
and
they
represent
patrolmen,
who
Far
and
Away
will
be
the
you
know
the
sworn
officers
that
most
people
will
deal
with,
most
people
will
ever
interact
with,
and
this
is
also
by
far
the
largest
Union
that
we
bargained
with
in
the
police
department.
So
there
are
four
unions
that
we
deal
with.
This
is
the
largest
one,
as
we
said,
probably
somewhere,
on
the
order
of
four
times
as
large
as
the
other
three
put
together.
J
A
If
you
can,
just
when
you
want
the
next
slide,
just
say
the
next
slide,
and
then
we
can
not
it's
all
right.
Ethan
can
do
it.
It
is.
That
is
the
click,
but
you
have
to
point
it
at
that
laptop
there
not
towards
us
so,
but
he
can
also
do
it
for
you.
If
you
just
say
next
slide,.
K
J
So
so
we'll
move
forward
all
right.
So,
let's
see
so
what
yeah
I
I
mean
like
basic
stuff
here.
That
I
think
is
helpful.
I
I
may
be
helpful
for
Advocates
and
and
counselors
may
know
it,
but
you
know
so
what?
What
is
a
contract
in
the
first
place?
What
is
a
collective
bargaining
agreement?
So
I
mean
this
is
a
contract
between
the
city
and
a
labor
organization
that
governs
you,
know
wages,
hours
and
working
conditions,
so
our
negotiations
with
the
bppa
are
now
participating.
J
You
know
they're
they're,
now
proceeding
in
earnest,
we've
had
a
number
of
sessions.
You
know
there
was
a
long
period
where
we
had
obviously
a
long
interregnum
with
the
pandemic.
There
were
some
sessions
that
happened
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
now
we've
come
back
together
and
had
you
know
more
sessions
over
the
last
several
months.
J
You
know
there
was
a
process
where
we
were
waiting
for
commissioner
Cox
to
become
the
permanent
commissioner.
So
you
know.
Obviously
this
is
an
enormously
important
thing
that
he
would.
We
would
want
him
to
weigh
in
on
so
our
sessions
now,
you
know,
are
in
full
swing
and,
as
I
said
before
our
you
know,
our
overall
mission,
you
know,
is
to
drive
reform
through
the
process,
but
also
cut
a
fair
deal
for
our
officers.
J
So
let's
so,
let's
just
talk
briefly
about
how
the
process
works
and
what
actually
goes
on
just
generally.
This
is
not
with
respect
to,
as
I
said,
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
the
things
that
have
gone
across
the
table,
but
let's
talk
about
the
things
that
are
in
play,
so
we
have
three
subjects
of
bargaining:
three
different
categories
of
bargaining
that
take
place
in
this
and
any
other
of
our
city
contracts.
So
there
are
mandatory
subjects
of
bargaining.
That's
a
that's,
essentially
an
endless
list
of
things.
J
It's
anything
that
you
would
imagine,
but
basically
it's
wages,
hours
and
working
conditions.
There
are
prohibited
subjects.
These
are
subjects
that
we
can't
bargain
over,
but
generally
speaking,
these
are
things
that
violate
public
policy
in
some
fashion.
So
you
don't
see
those
very
often
and
then
there
are
permissive
subjects.
So
these
are
subjects
that,
generally
speaking
again
without
going
too
far
in
the
weeds.
These
are
things
that
the
parties
can
agree
to
bargain
over.
J
If
they
both
agree
to
do
it
or
they
can
refuse,
but
they
are
not
subjects
and
it's
going
to
become
an
important
concept,
I'm
sure
in
the
questions.
J
They
are
not
subjects
that
either
party
can
go
to
impasse
over.
So
that's
a
general
overview
of
the
subjects,
so
our
negotiations
go
on,
as
I
said,
are
the
there
were
negotiations
that
took
place
a
couple
of
administrations
ago
before
the
pandemic?
There
were
some
sessions,
we've
come
back
together,
you
know:
we've
had
sessions,
it's
not
there's
no
magic
formula
to
it.
I
mean
the
parties
get
together
and
they
negotiate
as
long
as
they're
making
progress.
J
You
know
the
the
over
the
years
there
have
been.
You
know,
contracts
that
that
take
15
20
sessions
and
there
are
contracts
that
take
fewer.
So
the
culmination
of
that
process
is
when
the
parties
reach
an
empath
and
that
that
happens
in
one
form
with
all
of
the
unions
that
are
not
police
and
fire,
and
then
Police
and
Fire
have
a
very
different
process
for
the
culmination
of
that.
J
J
So
what
happens
is
that
you
know
the
union
can
choose
a
representative.
The
city
can
choose
a
representative
and
we
choose
a
neutral
arbitrator
and
the
the
arbitrator.
You
know
there's
there's
mediation
that
goes
on
or
if
that
doesn't
resolve
the
dispute.
You
know,
there's
a
hearing.
J
A
hearing
can
go
anywhere
from
a
matter
of
days
to
a
couple
of
months
and
then
the
arbitrator
will
issue
a
decision,
and
that
is
essentially
what
you
know:
how
the
dispute
or
how
the
labor
dispute
gets
settled
so
process
wise
at
the
jlmc.
J
You
know
there
are
five
issues
that
each
side
get
so
there's
the
economic
issues,
there's
the
wages
and
then
there
are
are
what
I
think
it
would
describe
as
five
policy
issues.
So
both
sides
get
policy
issues
that
they
want
to
resolve
contract
language,
that
kind
of
a
situation
and
so
based
on
that.
Based
on
the
hearing.
You
know
the
arbitrator
will
issue
a
decision,
so
I
think
what's
important.
J
J
Don't
know
how
long
many
of
you
have
served,
but
so
when
a
jlmc
award
is
handed
down,
there's
a
process
and
it's
a
process
that
you
know
has
come
back
since
Proposition
two
and
a
half
passed
that
the
city
council
reviews
the
jlmc
award
and
and
it's
an
analysis
about
affordability
and
I-
have
I've
participated
in
that
as
a
a
long
time
advisor
to
the
mayor
and
sort
of
being
around
the
labor
movement.
J
For
a
long
time,
the
process
that
City
councilors
face
when
a
jlmc
award
comes
down
is
kind
of
a
hectic
one,
because
you
know
a
jlmc
award
comes
down
and
you're
heavily
lobbied
by
labor
organizations,
and
you
essentially,
you
know,
have
to
get
up
to
speed
in
a
matter
of
weeks
on.
You
know
what
can
be
15,
20,
25
bargaining
sessions
or
more
than
a
year
of
bargaining,
and
so
it's
a
hectic
process.
J
So
part
of
our
reason
for
participating
in
this
today
in
live
testimony
is
actually
to
help
you
do
your
job.
Should
we
come
to
a
jlmc
either
with
the
bppa
or
with
any
of
other,
our
other
police
unions
or
our
fire
service,
because
you
know
the
council
has
a
very
direct
role
in
it.
J
So
I
would
I
would
say
that
our
priorities
generally
speaking
and
I'll
I'll
go
over
these
briefly,
because
this
is
probably
going
to
end
up
being
most
of
the
substantive
questions
or
or
comments,
or
that
kind
of
a
thing
that
we'll
have
in
the
discussion.
So
I
think
it
would
be
better
to
leave
more
time
for
that.
But
so
one
of
the
big
issues-
animating
us
is
controlling
overtime
and
that
is
curtailing
curtaining
routine.
J
What
we
would
consider
to
be
routine
overtime,
usage
or
overtime
abuse
so
over
time
you
know
this
is
this
is
obviously
something
that
affects
the
budget.
It
affects
neighborhood
coverage
and
it
it
you
know,
represents
an
enormous
amount
of
spending.
You
know
in
the
police
budget
and
the
city
budget
in
general,
so
that
is
a
major
issue
and
I
would
I
would
say
that
you
know
our
particular
approach
to
overtime
is
not
necessarily
cutting
spending,
but
rather
pursuing
through
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
the
drivers
of
overtime.
J
So
the
underlying
reasons
why
you
see
routine
over
time
and
controlling
the
things
that
we
can
control?
So
that's
certainly
one
priority.
Another
big
one
for
the
administration
is
police
detail
reform.
J
You
know
you
heard
last
month
from
Chief
Franklin
Hodge
at
the
at
the
hearing
on
traffic
control
and
civilian
flaggers
that
we
feel
like
we
need
to
do
a
fairly
significant
amount
of
work,
overhauling,
overhauling
the
detail
system
to
ensure
that
large
construction
projects,
large
utility
projects
projects
at
you
know
busy
arterial
intersections,
have
the
coverage
that
they
need.
J
So
you
know
you
will
hear
and-
and
we
will
say-
I
mean
that
that
a
lot
of
this
conversation
has
revolved
around
whether
civilian
flaggers
or
civilians
can
participate
in
traffic
control.
But
from
the
standpoint
of
the
administration
there
is
much
more
to
detail
reform
than
the
question
of
Civilian
flaggers.
Although
that
is
certainly
part
of
the
discussion,
and
with
that
we
move
on
to
discipline.
J
You
know,
discipline
is,
is
the
last
major
area
that
the
administration
is
interested
in
pursuing,
and
you
know
from
this
standpoint,
I
mean
generally
and
and
obviously
folks
will
ask
questions,
but
the
overwhelming
majority
of
our
police
officers
are
people
who
go
to
work
every
day.
You
know
they're
part
of
the
fabric
of
their
neighborhoods.
J
You
know
they.
They
do
things
that
we
don't
ask.
Any
of
our
other
public
employees
to
do
and
they
take
pride
in
their
work.
They
take
pride
in
their
city,
but
you
know
the
reality
is
that
there
is
a
small
there's,
a
small
number
of
police
officers
that
you
know
they
engage
in
behavior
that
does
damage
to
the
BPD.
It
does
damage
to
the
city
and,
frankly
it
does.
J
You
know:
remove
people
who
are
not
acting
in
conformance
with
with
you
know,
the
trust
that
we
put
in
them
and
that's
a
significant.
You
know,
that's
a
significant
part
of
what
the
administration
is
pursuing,
so
that
I
think
is
that's
the
overall
presentation
that
we've
prepared
in
a
skinnier
form,
so
I.
Think
with
that
we
can
conclude
our
portion
of
talking
at
you.
A
Great
thank
you
so
much
Mr
mandarini
and
Chief
Miller
I'll
hold
mine
questions
to
the
end
and
go
to
my
colleagues
first,
so
we'll
start
with
counselor
Lara
as
one
of
the
sponsors.
Oh
and
I.
Also
sorry
I
just
want
to
know
that
we're
joined
some
time
ago
by
councilor
Aaron
Murphy
at
large
as
well.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
Chief,
mallor
and
Tulu
for
your
presentation.
I
think
that
what
you've
presented
here
as
the
administration's
priorities
seem
very
much
common
sense
in
terms
of
what
we
would
want
to
see
from
a
contract
between
the
city
and
the
patrolmen's
association.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
point
out
specifically
around
overtime
is
the
word
of
the
you.
B
The
use
of
the
word
abuse,
because
I
think
that
oftentimes
this
question
around
overtime
spending
is
brought
in
a
different
light
and
I
think
it's
important
to
talk.
B
You
know
the
underlying
reasons
why
we
are
overspending
and
so
looking
at
overtime
abuse,
looking
at
civilianizing
work,
which
would
free
officers
to
be
on
the
street
instead
of
doing
work
that
civilians
could
be
doing
and
then
discipline,
which
I
think
is
also
very
common
sense,
that
officers
that
shouldn't
be
officers
shouldn't
be
patrolling
our
communities
and
I
think
that
everybody
can
be
in
agreement
about
those
three
priorities.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
them
here
and
presenting
them.
I
have
a
few
questions
and
I'm
hoping
to
to
move
through
them
quickly.
B
My
first
question
is
around
priorities
specifically
and
I
won't
take
offense.
If
any
of
my
questions
are
things
that
you
cannot
answer
so
please,
just
you
know.
Let
me
know
say
that's
not
something
that
we
can
answer
here.
You
talked
a
little
bit
about
your
priorities.
Does
the
city
consider
the
10-year
residency
an
important
facet
in
ensuring
that
community
policing
is
conducted
by
members
of
our
community.
J
B
B
You
it
was
publicly
stated
recently
that
the
city
and
the
union
had
reached
in
in
passing
the
negotiation
process,
but
the
Administration
has
said
that
the
negotiation
of
the
issues
are
not
yet
at
an
impasse
are
not
at
arbitration.
Can
you
confirm
that
you
are
not
yet
at
an
impasse
and
that
you
are
still
negotiating
an
Earnest
with
the
patrolmen's
association.
J
B
And
this
question
is
for
chief
mallor,
we
haven't
ever
seen
in
our
contract
negotiation
that
hasn't
gone
to
arbitration,
at
least
in
my
time,
paying
attention,
which
is
a
couple
almost
a
couple
decades.
But
there
was
a
mayor.
Wu
made
very
public
promises
about
how
she
wanted
to
handle
Community
engagement,
and
so
you
laid
out
a
little
bit
about
what
the
community
engagement
process
has
already
looked
like.
B
Is
there
anything
that
any
other
kinds
of
community
processes
or
input
that
you
are
expecting
to
put
forth
before
any
contract
goes
to
arbitration
I
know?
Obviously
you
can't
necessarily
know
it
could
go
to
arbitration
tomorrow,
but
does
the
administration
have
any
plans
to
do
any
further?
Community
engagement
about
the
contract
negotiations.
I
So
we
are
definitely
still
having
and
open
to
having
conversations
with
different
stakeholders
to
talk,
talk
like
to
make
sure
community
members
stay
and
informed
on
what
the
process
is,
because
we
also
do
in
view
this
process
as
educational
process,
because
the
Union
contract
is
something
that
has
again
traditionally
not
been
talked
to
on
a
public
platform
like
this.
So
we
do
want
to
continue
to
keep
educating
residents
on
what
that
is
so
yeah.
I
We
do
continue
to
wish
to
continue
to
have
conversation
open
to
have
conversations
with
community
members,
but
there's
nothing
on
the
dates
on
the
books
right
now,.
I
Terms
of
oh
definitely,
yeah
I
think
this
is
this
has
to
be
an
ongoing
conversation
and
the
administration
is
a
prior
one
of
the
priorities
of
the
administration
to
continue
having
the
conversation
around
Public,
Safety
I.
Think
councilor
Royal
alluded
to
this
alternative
response,
like
that,
it's
all
kind
of
connected,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
have
those
conversations
publicly.
B
Thank
you,
Chief
Miller,
so
in
2013
the
city
negotiated
two
contracts.
At
a
time
you
did
the
2010
2013
and
the
2013-2016
contracts
together.
What
is
the
exact
time
period
for
which
you
are
currently
negotiating
contracts?
Are
you?
Are
you
negotiating
two
at
a
time?
Is
it
for
July
2020
to
June
2023,
or
are
you
also
negotiating
the
contract
for
2023
to
2026.
J
Well,
we
as
an
Administration
when
the
mayor
came
in
on
November
16th
of
2021
I,
had
the
distinction
of
every
contract
in
the
city
being
expired.
That
had
never
happened
before
so
we
are.
J
We
are
negotiating
contracts
that
reach
back
in
time
that
deal
with
a
period
and
the
reality
of
where
we
are,
and
it
relates
to
the
whole
question
of
the
community
conversation
that
we're
having
which
you
know
frankly
for
us
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
I
mean
whether
we're
in
contractor
or
or
negotiating
a
next
contract.
J
The
community
conversation
is
one:
that's
going
to
continue
unabated
so
right
now
we're
negotiating
a
contract
that
reaches
back
to
June
30th
of
2020,
and
you
know,
depending
on
the
duration
of
it,
it
could
be
expire
eight
months
from
now
six
months
from
now,
so
you
know
we're
digging
out
of
a
hole
and
that's
sort
of
where
we
are
now
so
we're
digging
out
of
the
hole
that
we
we
have,
rather
than
looking
forward
to
another
three
year
going
forward,
at
least
at
least
as
far
as
this
negotiation
goes.
B
J
Well,
I
mean
I:
I
I
hesitate
to
take
a
a
two
adversarial
position
toward
toward
you
know
either
the
immediate
prior
Administration.
We.
J
Okay,
we
there
was
one,
there
was
one
contract
that
was
in
force
between
the
time
that
the
mayor
was
elected
and
before
she
got
sworn
in
and
it
actually
expired.
The
night
before
she
got
sworn
in
so
on
the
day
of
all
of
them
were
expired.
B
Thank
you
now,
let's
talk
about
overtime
for
a
little
bit
and
I
know
that
you
can't
share
details
of
current
negotiations
or
things
that
have
gone
across
the
table.
So
my
hope
is
that
you'll
be
able
to
answer
these
questions
with
an
analysis
of
what
the
current
contract
looks
like.
Instead
of
talking
about
that
and
I
know
that
that
might
be
a
thin
line
to
Crossing.
B
You
might
not
be
able
to
do
that,
but
I
will
ask
one
question
before
I
move
on
about
over
time,
because
curtailing
overtime
abuse
was
one
of
the
priorities
that
you
presented.
What
are
the
ways
that
you
think
the
contract
can
change
like
the
current?
Where
are
the
ways
that
the
current
contract
could
change
to
rain
in
overtime
or
what?
What
are
the
issues
and
the
challenges
that
you
see
with
the
current
contract
when
it
comes
to
overtime.
J
Well,
I
mean
I,
think
you
know.
The
fairest
answer
to
that
question
is
that
you
know
there
are.
There
are
things
that
you
can
fix
through
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
relate
to
controlling
overtime
and
things
that
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
relate
to
controlling
over
time?
J
In
terms
of
our
priorities,
I
mean
some
of
the
things
that
that
we're
taking
a
look
at
one
of
the
big
drivers
of
overtime
and
it's
one
that
continues
to
grow
at
a
level
that
certainly
the
administration
is
not
comfortable
with.
Is
medical
incapacitated
unit
or
injured
on
duty
leave?
That's
a
provision
of
state
law
called
111f.
It's
basically
workers
comp
for,
for
you
know
the
police
and
fire
service.
J
We
had
153
officers
who
were
on
111f
for
more
than
a
year,
and
you
know
that's
the
the
back
filling
of
that
both
on
overtime
and
the
backfilling
of
that
on
straight
time,
you
know,
is
a
significant
cost
driver,
so
you
know
that,
isn't
simply
a
matter
of
collective
bargaining
I
mean.
But
you
know
there
are
things
you
can
do
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
relate
to
controlling
that,
and
then
there
are
things
that
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
relate
to
controlling
that.
J
But
you
know
that's
a
kind
of
a
situation
and,
and
then
another
you
know,
another
sort
of
policy
or
or
priority
is
you
know
something
called
Union
release,
so
Union
releases
when
you
know
our
our
unions
and
we
you
know,
we
obviously
want
our
unions
to
engage
in
vigorous
representation
of
their
members
and
their
workers
and
members
of
a
bargaining
unit.
J
But
you
know
Union
releases,
a
situation
where
officers
are
paid.
You
know
they're
paid
compensation
and
benefits
for
engaging
in
Union
activity,
but
the
reality.
That
is
that
you
know
when
they're
on
that
release.
J
You're
back
feeling
the
work
that
they're
doing
as
police
officers,
you
know
either
you're
either
doing
that
on
overtime
or
you're.
Doing
that
on
straight
time-
and
you
know
putting
some
guard
rails
around
that
you
know
is
another
another
way
to
control.
You
know
both
General
police
spending
but
also
overtime
spending.
So
you
know
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we're
talking
about.
J
You
know
those
are.
Those
are
high
priorities
for
us,
so.
B
J
B
The
111f
is
that
during
the
budget
process-
and
you
know
just
to
give
credit
where
credit
is
due-
that
was
an
issue
that
came
up
in
the
Boston
Police
Department
did
outline
some
changes
that
they've
been
making
to
lower
that
number
and
that
it's
lowered
since
the
last
time
that
we
were
reviewing
the
budget.
So
just
you
know,
we
are
moving
in
the
right
direction,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
highlighting
that
and
I
will.
J
And
then
one
thing
I
should
say
of
that
and
I,
and
you
know
it
isn't.
It
is
in
fairness
to
to
you
know
the
the
workers
here
that
you
know
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
control
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
With
respect
to
that,
you
know
there
are
things
in
the
in
the
agreement
and
the
contract
that
relate
to
it.
J
You
know
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
fair
one,
I
mean
so
the
city
has
a
responsibility,
and
you
know
expeditiously
helping
people
retire
medically
and
you
know
sort
of
doing
all
the
stuff
we
can
to
get
those
officers
who
are
capable
of
coming
back
to
gain
full
service
to
come
back.
So
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know
that's
more
than
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
so.
D
You,
madam
chair,
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump
right
into
some
of
these
questions,
for
you,
Mr
mandarini,
just
directly
without
getting
into
the
negotiations.
D
The
administration's
stance
on
these
things
I
just
want
to
clarify
whether
or
not-
and
you
can
answer
it
with
in
whole
or
in
part
whether
or
not
the
topic
that
I
bring
up
is
controlled
in
any
way
by
the
Contracting
process
and
when
I
say
in
whole,
it
means
that
the
only
way
we
could
ever
sort
of
amend
or
adjust
those
policies
is
through
the
contract
and
or
whether
parts
of
that
are
controlled
by
the
contract
but
otherwise
are
not,
and
so
the
universe,
the
universalization
of
body
cameras
is
that
in
whole
or
in
part
controlled
by
the
contract.
D
The
civilianization
of
positions
within
Boston,
Police
Department
so
for
staff
positions
within
administrative
roles
within
the
Boston
Police
Department,
taking
those
sworn
officers
and
putting
them
in
duties
that
only
sworn
officers
can
cover
but
civilianizing.
Those
other
positions
is
that
controlled
in
older
and
part
by
the
contract.
D
The
detail,
so
that's
separate
in
apart
I
I,
mean
more
so,
for
instance,
and
I'll
get
into
it
in
the
next
round,
but
there's
a
department,
operational
audit
that
was
conducted.
They
talk
about
the
Staffing
of
details
themselves.
There's
an
administrative
role
to
that
that
is
handled
by
sworn
police
officers
is
my
understanding.
D
It
is
I'm
speaking
directly
to
this
immunization
of
positions
like
that
that
aren't
details
they're
not
even
on
the
street,
we're
talking
about
office
roles
within
the
Boston
Police
Department,
if
we
were
just
feeling
nice,
that
is,
that
controlled
in
whole
or
in
part
by
the
contract
in
a
hole.
Okay.
So
that's
also
on
home
the
disciplinary
process
in
terms
of
how
that's
conducted,
what
what
leads
to
arbitration,
how
all
those
things
are
conducted
is
that
controlled
in
whole
learned
part
by
the
contract
in
home.
D
Okay,
alternative
response
to
non-violent
phone
like
non-violent
911
calls.
Is
that
like
so,
if
we're
trying
to
send
up
similar
to
what
mayor
Wu
put
forward
I
believe
at
the
time
with
councilor
Edwards
who's,
not
a
state
senator
for
alternative
responses
to
9-1-1
calls
when
they're
non-violent.
If
we
were
to
do
that,
send
social
workers
or
therapists
or
whatever
we're
trying
to
do
in
that
role,
is
that
controlled
in
whole
or
in
part
by
the
contract.
Well,.
D
And
then
details
you've
already
said
are
in
whole.
Yes,
all
right,
so
that
takes
us
to
sort
of
the
second
thing,
which
is
to
my
knowledge,
the
latest
and
only
real
audit
we
have
with
the
Boston
Police
Department
was
done
in
2015.
Is
that
it's
the
most
recent
in
time
operational
audit
review
was
done
by
the
public
safety
strategies
group
holding
it
in
my
hand,
are
you
aware
of
that
audit
I.
D
There
a
is
there
an
audit
that
was
done
any
sooner
than
this
one
to
your
knowledge,
I'm,
not
aware
of
one
okay
me
either
so
I
think
we're
both
right.
This
is
the
most
recent
and
I
just
want
to
note,
because
I've
cited
from
this
audit
before
and
so
folks,
don't
get
the
wrong
idea
that
this
was
somehow
a
third
party
who
had
no
access
or
or
was
looking
from
the
outside
in
and
the
acknowledgments
of
this
very
publicly
accessible
audit.
D
They
make
clear
that
the
Command
Staff
participated
in
meetings
and
interviews.
Captains
across
the
department
participated
in
meetings,
coordinating
tours
and
ride-alongs
and
providing
the
opportunity
for
us
to
do
the
operations
and
districts
and
specialized
units.
They
thank
over
160
officers
and
sworn
personnel
for
interviews
in
this
process.
It
was
very
thorough
and
it
was
very
much
done
in
partnership
with
commissioner
Evans.
D
This
audit
and
the
reason
I
bring
it
up,
is
that
we've
heard
about
overtime
and
that
the
solution
of
the
cure
for
the
overtime
problem
is
more
officers,
but
what
this
2015
audit
found
is
actually
quite
the
opposite.
In
fact,
on
page
54
of
this
audit,
it
says
what
appears
to
be
a
practice
of
generating
unnecessary
overtime
that
meets
the
hours
allocated,
rather
than
requiring
justification
of
need
for
the
overtime
prior
to
scheduling
and
what
they're
referencing
is
that
at
the
time
of
this
audit,
there
were
overtime
banks
that
were
created
and
handed
out.
D
Essentially,
each
district
Captain
had
a
certain
amount
of
overtime
hours
that
they
could
allocate
and
they
were
allocating
those
hours,
not
necessarily
with
any
justification
for
allocating
them,
but
because
they
were
accessible
to
them.
To
allocate-
and
my
question
to
you
is
as
it
stands
today
in
the
year,
2022
is
their
still
overtime.
Banks
are
we
still
conducting
overtime
in
a
way
where
they're
not
justific,
justifying
the
requirement
for
overtime
as
much
as
they
are
doing
it
in
the
way
that
they
were
doing
it
at
the
time
of
this
audit.
D
Okay,
the
second
thing
related
to
that
is
on
page
55,
where
they
they
actually
have
a
nice
chart
on
page
56.
For
folks
who
want
to
look
this
up
later
and
look
at
it
where
it
says.
D
Specifically,
the
chart
shows
that
overtime
hours
by
month
by
year
continue
to
increase,
despite
despite
increasing
staff
and
decreasing
crime,
and
so
it
would
seem
to
me
that
what
this
audit
was
able
to
lay
out
starkly
and
black
and
white
is
that
the
issue
here
isn't
so
much
a
staffing
issue
as
much
as
how
that
staff
is
is
sort
of
handled
in
the
ways
in
which
they
handle
overtime,
which
you
were
talking
about
sort
of
drivers
or
mechanisms
of
overtime
and
I
guess
without
getting
into
what
offers
have
been
made.
What
conversations
have
been
made?
D
Are
there
ways
within
the
bargaining
of
this
contract,
in
terms
of
what's
going
to
happen
with
this
contract
one
way
or
the
other
and
which
it
directly
relates
to
the
policies
and
priorities
of
how
we
organize
or
structure
over
time
bids
and
how
over
time
is
done?
Or
is
that
something
that
can
be
done
separate?
And
apart
from
the
contract,
just
through
Boston
Police,
Department,
Command
Staff
and
their
powers
both
so
it's
a
combination
of
both.
K
D
And
so,
in
order
to
fully
address
that,
it
would
have
to
be
fully
addressed
because
it's
in
part
by
The,
Command,
Staff
and
in
part
by
the
contract
it
would
have
to
it
would
require
both
parts,
okay
and
then
on
my
last
part
for
at
least
this
round.
But
in
general,
you've
mentioned
something
that
I've
been
very
aware
of,
which
is
the
injured
leave
or
the
111f
I
believe
last
I
saw
the
percentage
of
officers
on
leave
in
the
city
of
Boston
was
something
like
12.4
or
something
like
that.
A
J
Well,
it
was
153
when
we
started
this
when
we
in
this
latest
round
after
the
pandemic
started,
and
that
number
has
come
down.
The
numbers
come
down
substantially
too
so
and.
D
Essentially
so
that
folks
understand
it,
because
this
is
something
that
I
had
to
have
explained
to
myself,
the
111f
basically
means
if
you
are
injured
on
the
job.
But
you
are
not
you
you're,
not
yourself.
You
are
the
injured
party
you're,
not
in
a
position
where
you're
ready
to
retire.
You
believe
that
retirement
is
necessary.
D
We
have
a
set
set
in
time,
I,
think
it's
like
five
years
in
which
we
we
give
them
to
rehabilitate
and
to
come
back
to
the
force,
but
during
that
period
in
time,
there's
a
good
faith
requirement
that
they're
actually
trying
to
come
back
that
they're,
actually
trying
to
make
that
happen.
Is
that
correct
yep
is
that
good
faith
requirement
have
any
legal
implications
if
it's
actually
a
bad
faith.
D
In
other
words,
if
you
are
not
actually
intending
to
come
back
to
the
force,
but
you
are
stretching
it
and
just
so
folks
who
don't
know
why
that
would
be
a
case
when
you're
on
111
F,
you
receive
your
full
salary,
correct
you
do
and
when
you
are
a
retired
disabled,
you
receive
70
of
that
salary
untaxed,
but
70
and
so
for
officers.
In
some
instances
being
injured
and
on
leave,
but
receiving
100
of
their
salaries
worth
more
than
that
70
on
tax
is
that
accurate,
yeah.
J
D
So,
for
instance,
let's
say
just
as
an
aside
that
you
are
both
on
a
111f
and
attempting
to
come
back
to
the
force
by
because
that's
what
it
requires
for
you
to
be
on
a
111f
right,
but
you
are
also
say
petitioning
the
city
council
for
catastrophic
injury
retirement.
Would
that
say,
be
a
problem.
D
You
would
be
basically
saying
that
you're
catastrophically
injured
and
you
cannot
work
well,
you're,
also
representing
to
the
city
that
you're
making
every
attempt
to
come
back
to
work.
That
seems
like
it
would
be
a
direct
conflict
and
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
If
there's
a
legal
issue
with
say
doing
that
I.
J
Mean
under
the
hypothetical
that
you
you,
you
state,
I
mean
I,
think
there's,
certainly
one
one
could
see
easily
or
directly
how
there
would
be
I
will
say
that
it
is
sort
of
getting
Beyond
anything
that
involves
a
mandatory
subject
of
bargaining
or
or
that
kind
of
a
thing.
So
my.
D
Question
more
so
is
if
it's
not
part
of
that,
so,
for
instance,
if
if
this
is
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
a
111f
requires
a
good
faith
effort
to
return
right
is
there.
Something
is
that
is
that
in
any
way,
contractually
obligated
where
there
are
penalties
or
some
or
some
issue
for
officers
who
do
bad
faith,
in
other
words,
they're,
saying
they're
trying
to
come
back,
but
then
we
later
find
out
that
they're
not
actually
trying
to
do
that
or
that
they're
doing
something
else.
D
J
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon.
You
guys
Brianna.
How
are
you
good
to
see
you
Mr
mandarini
we
haven't
met
but
I
hope,
you're
doing.
Okay
Lou
you
had
you
had
started
by
saying
who's
who
like
with
who
you're
negotiating
with
you?
Will
you
let
us
know
who
you
are?
What
what
is
your
role
with
the
city?
Yeah
yeah?
Are
you
up
so.
E
J
E
J
E
You
sit
at
the
you
sit
at
the
table
in
negotiations,
I
do
okay,
thank
you,
and-
and
we
had
talked
earlier
about
the
practice
of
letting
contracts
run
out
where
it
was
a
little
bit
of
finger,
pointing
going
on
from
my
experience.
I'm
in
my
36th
year
in
the
city,
I
negotiated
my
contracts
with
the
print
department
for
15
years
under
Menino.
It
was
common
practice
to
let
every
contract
in
the
city
run
out.
We
would
go
for
years
without
contracts.
It
was
a
way
to
not
pay.
E
People
basically
is
what
manino
used
to
like
to
do
on
the
mighty
wall.
She
got
much.
It
got
much
better.
The
contracts
I
think
they
were
more
proactive
in
in
their
contracts
in
in
with
with
this,
these
new
administrations
I
think
there
was
just
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
up
in
the
air
and
that
I
just
say
that
to
let
people
know
what
the
practice
used
to
be
Menino
would
let
them
just
all
run
out
and
then
then
give
you
a
zero
zero
one.
E
So
you'd
be
six
and
seven
years
with
no
with
no
raise
that's
what
manino
used
to
do.
So
we
talk
about
Lou,
you
would
said
Drive
reform
through
collective
bargaining
agreement.
E
Can
you
drill
down
on
that
a
little
bit
like
Drive
reform?
Are
we
like
overtime
reform?
We
talked
to
a
little
bit
like
so
if
overtime
is
driven
by
parades
and
driven
by
different
things
like
that,
like
how
much?
How
much
do
we
think
we
can,
we
can
drive
that
at
the
bargaining
table
when
it's
when
it's
sort
of
a
decision
that's
made
from
day
to
day,
like
the
Royals
were
here
yesterday?
E
How
much
did
that
cost
us,
and
you
don't
need
to
answer
that,
but
and
and
they're
here
for
a
couple
days,
they're
probably
going
to
cost
us
I,
just
don't
what
other
so
is
it
is
it
what
we've
talked
about?
Is
it?
Is
it
civilianization?
Is
it
discipline
when
you
say
discipline?
What
do
you
mean
by
discipline
like
what?
What
are
we
looking
to
disciple?
We
just
we
just
approved
old
Pat
and
all
the
new
committees
that
that
that
will
will
oversee
that?
What
else
are
we
looking
for,
in
particular
in
our
contracts.
J
Well,
I
mean
the
last
part,
I
think
touches
on
the
sort
of
specific
negotiations,
the
things
that
have
gone
across
the
table
so
I'm
going
to
stay
away
from
that
one,
but,
generally
speaking,
I
mean
I.
Think,
generally
speaking
on
the
overtime,
let
me
take
that
question
that
you
asked
you
know
the
stuff
that
we've
talked
about.
So
you
know
we
believe
you
know
tightening
up
the
things
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
relate
to
injured
on
duty.
J
You
know
the
amount
that
we
spend
on
overtime,
but
you
know
certainly
as
a
concept
I
mean
negotiating
over
Court
time.
That's
something
that
drives
overtime.
That's
a
possibility!
You
know
the
union
release
time
as
we
talked
about,
is
something
that
potentially
drives
both
overtime
spending
and
also
straight
time
spending.
So
you
know
I,
think
the
fair
answer
to
your
question
is
that
there's
some
stuff
that
you
can
do
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
some
stuff
that
is
sort
of
operational
management
decisions
that
that
drive
overtime.
J
E
Pots,
being
management
and
and
administration,
that's
right!
Okay,
so
if,
if
all
four
bargaining
units
are
two
years
two
years
in
in
the
rare
in
their
contracts,
is
that
true.
E
Closer
closer
to
three
okay,
so
we
we
are,
we
going
to
win
pass.
Are
we
gonna?
Is
this
gonna
be
an
arbitrators
award?
Would
you
if
you're
able
to
answer
that.
J
Well,
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
what
I
would
say
is
that
we're
balancing
you
know
we're
balancing
two
things
as
far
as
the
administration
goes,
which
is
you
know,
we
want
to
drive
the
reform
that
we
want
to
drive
and
we
want
to
fix
problems
that
we
see
as
problems
that
need
fixing.
J
You
know,
and
we
also
want
to
cut
a
fair
deal
to
the
police.
So
I
mean
I
I.
You
know
I
think
the
issue
becomes.
Can
you
do
those
things
across
the
table?
Or
can
you
not-
and
you
know
that
sort
of
determines
the
question
of
whether
you
hit
impasse
and
whether
the
jlmc
gets
involved
or
that
kind
of
a
thing
I
think
you
know
the
mayor
said.
J
You
know
the
mayor
said
as
she
was
running
and-
and
you
know
she
has
stood
by
that
she's-
not
going
to
sign
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
doesn't
contain
fundamental
reform,
so
she
hasn't
wavered
on
that
she's,
not
gonna.
So
so.
E
There
was
something
else:
I
had
I
hate,
getting
older,
it
sucks
Brianna.
What
is
what
is
your
role
in
the
I
mean
because
you're
ons
I
believe?
What
is
what
is
your
role
in
this?
Are
you
your
neighborhood
Outreach.
I
Yeah,
so
the
so
my
role
traditionally
was
called
Civic
engagement
supposed
to
community
engagement,
because
the
mayor
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
more
support
with
policy
making
when
it
comes
to
community
and
centering
that
so
my
role
is
making
sure
when
policy
reform
is
happening.
That
Community
is
at
the
center
of
that
so
setting
up
Community
processes
to
educate
community
and
create
space
for
Community
to
have
input
on
processes
like
this
so
yeah.
That
was.
E
E
J
Or
yeah
yeah,
very
definitely,
we've
had
a
couple
with
the
detective
superiors
and
actually
have
yet
to
have
ones
with
the
detectives
benevolent
or
the
superior
officers.
Federation.
E
E
Certified
so
they
have
powers
because
they,
oh
oh,
a
whole
bunch
of
them
were
not
certified.
So
basically,
if
someone
comes
running
through
that
door
and
jumps
at
Aaron,
they
can't
they
can't
take
them.
They
can't
stop
them.
Basically,
if
I
got
that
right
because
they
don't
have
police
Powers
Yeah,
have
we
squared
that
away?
We.
J
Have
that
in
one
contract
and
last
I
knew,
although
I
I
would
be
glad
to
get
back
to
your
office
to
verify
I
think
the
other
contract
was
open
still
and
it
had
it
had
to
do
with
the
fact
that
they
were
changing
the
Union.
They
were
wanting
to
decertify
from
one
Union
and
elect
another
one,
and
that
affected
the
pace
of
when
we
could
do
the
bargaining.
So
we
settled
one
of
those
contracts
and
not
the
other
one.
E
J
J
J
E
Fuller
detail:
if
we
could
have
a
discussion
around
that,
even
even
some
sort
of
email
where,
where
the
new
Municipal
officers
are
I
know
there
was
a
whole
bunch
of
talk
and
everybody
was.
Everybody
was
on
board
with
getting
the
Murrays
and
I.
Don't
think
they
got
a
very
great
raise.
Are
they
are
they
done
with
their
contract
and
how
many
contracts,
so
our
The
Lion's
Share
of
contracts?
From
what
I
understand
in
the
city,
this
isn't
just
BP
PA?
Are
they
all
settled
most
of
them
now?
Public,
Works
transportation,
scna.
J
Last
the
last
number
I
had,
as
we
were,
closing
in
on
70
of
the
workers
under
contract
from
zero.
When
we
started
you
know,
we've
settled
a
lot
of
the
big
ones
and
we're
closing
in
on
quite
a
few
now
so
so.
J
Police
and
fire
certainly
are
the
largest
segment
of
what's
outstanding.
There
are
some
in
BPS.
There
are
some
in
the
Health
commission,
but
you
know
as
far
as
the
as
far
as
the
city
side
goes:
yeah
yeah,
it's
a
police
fire.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
your
approach
to
this
hearing
as
an
educational
opportunity
and
I,
like
the
fact
that
you
highlighted
that
it
is
a
sea
change,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
I
see
it
as
a
good
faith
effort
to
engage
the
community
and
engage
the
council.
So
I'm,
very
appreciative
of
you,
both
being
here
when
you
could
have
submitted
just
written
written
comments.
H
So
I'll
get
into
just
some
comments
about
the
presentation
and
then
get
into
some
baseline
questions.
I.
Think
the
the
themes
of
the
priorities
that
you
outlined
are
standards
that
the
city
of
Boston
should
be
exploring
anyway,
meaning
that
number
one
any
bad
actor
is
held
accountable,
they're
not
doing
what
they
should
be
doing
and
two
we're
expanding
economic
opportunities
and
allowing
all
bostonians
to
share
in
the
economic
growth
of
this
city,
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
growth.
H
H
J
Both
parties,
both
parties,
split
the
cost
of
the
neutral,
and
they
agree
on
who
the
neutral
is,
and
then
each
side
picks
their
five
issues.
So
the
union
will
pick
five.
The
city
will
pick
five.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
rules
at
the
jlmc
around
what
constitutes
an
issue.
So
it
isn't,
like
you
know,
an
issue
One
Umbrella
thing
with
27
subparts,
so
it
is
defined,
but
that's
how
that
process
happens.
Okay,.
H
J
It
has
in
the
past
that
has
often
been
someone
from
olr,
but
that
is
not
always
the
case.
H
J
H
Okay,
so
switching
to
overtime
in
my
district
I
talk,
often
with
Captain
bickerton
and
Captain
chicolo,
regularly
about
safety
details,
I'm
thinking
of
the
North
Washington
Street
Bridge,
just
to
protect
kids,
walking
home
from
school
and
I'm,
told
there's
a
shortage
and
they're
going
to
have
to
do
mandatory
detail
and
then
I
got
thinking
about.
H
J
I
I
will
be
glad
to
get
back
to
your
office
on
that.
That
sort
of
goes
beyond
the
scope
of
what
we
prepared
today,
but
certainly
the
the
issues
around
coverage
of
things
like
the
North
Washington
Street
Bridge
are
very
much
part
of
our
priorities
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
large
projects
like
that
do
have
the
coverage
they
need.
H
You
and
then
my
last
question
is
just
about
Community
engagement.
Brianna,
sorry
excuse
me,
chief
chief
Miller
I
just
want
to
plug
having
a
meeting
in
East,
Boston
I
know
that
you've
had
many
meetings
across
the
city
having
it
in
Spanish.
H
L
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
I.
Have
a
few
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
reiterate
what
councilor
baker
said.
I
guess
I'm
a
couple
years
younger
than
you
Frank,
because
I
was
a
teacher
in
BPS,
a
proud
BTU
member
for
over
two
decades,
and
we
were
always
working
under
expired
contracts
and
when
we
did
renew
a
contract,
it
was
often
almost
always
already
expired
or
soon
to
be
expired,
even
when
it
was
passed.
So
we
were
always
if
we
got
any
raises
in
those
three
years.
L
It
was
the
retro
pay
waiting
for
that
check,
because
you're
always
kind
of
trying
to
catch
up
for
the
three
priorities
that
you
outlined.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
questions
about
those
curbing
overtime
abuse.
What
percentage
of
all
overtime
worked
voluntarily
or
forced?
Do
you
consider
abuse?
And
what
percentage
do
you
consider
necessary
because
I
I
myself
do
not
agree
that
all
over
time
that
the
police
is
doing
so?
The
way
it's
worded
is
making
me
think
that
all
police
overtime
is
abuse.
So
what
percentage
would
you
consider
abused.
J
We
do
not
I
I,
do
not
have
that
that
analysis
at
my
fingertips,
although
again
as
with
some
of
the
other
questions,
we'll
be
glad
to
respond
to
your
office
but
I
think
it.
We
would
also
say
that
we
don't
consider
all
police
overtime
to
be
abused
either.
So,
okay.
L
Is
just
where
the
word
was
right
in
the
slide,
so,
as
you
know,
words
matter
so
it
yes,
so
I
was
obviously
at
the
civilian
Flagger
hearing
and
you
had
referenced
how
commissioner
Hodge
was
there.
We
did
talk
about
the
need
of
making
sure
that
many
of
these
large
construction
sites
are
covered
for
Public
Safety,
but
the
conversation
that
I
remember
was
more
around
adjusting
the
system
that
police
accept
details
and
knowing
that
that
had
to
maybe
be
tweaked,
and
this,
in
my
opinion,
goes
back
to
the
need
of.
L
We
need
to
hire
a
couple
hundred
more
police
officers
just
to
get
us
to
a
stable,
Staffing
level,
because
we
know-
and
it
was
talked
about
at
length
at
that
and
explained
in
many
ways-
that
many
police
officers
are
forced
to
work
and
overtime
and
then,
if
you
know
so,
we
don't
need
to
get
into
that
now,
but
just
want
to
talk
about
the
need
for
hiring
more
police
officers,
so
we're
not
in
that
case.
Most
of
them
are
being
forced
in
the
discipline.
L
L
But
I
have
never
spoken
to
any
police
officer
and
I've
spoken
to
a
lot
of
them.
That
accept
that
behavior
or
would
want
to
be
labeled
just
like
I
would
never
want
to
be
labeled
as
an
educator
in
BPS
or
an
administrator
who
was
hiding
emails
and
allowing
the
behavior
happening
at
Mission
School
as
just
one
example,
and
lastly,
I
do
have
two
questions.
L
Do
you
think
that
this
hearing
is
in
violation
of
good
faith?
Bargaining
I
know
that
it's
we've
touched
on
it
a
little,
but
at
the
civilian
flag
of
hearing
I
know
from
the
chair.
She
explained
that
we
did
not.
We
had
police
staff
as
a
panelist,
but
we
did
not
have
police
Union
representation
as
panelists,
because
it
was
afraid
to
be
in
violation,
but
police
officers,
or
you
know,
sergeants-
were
able
to
speak,
who
are
also
under
the
contract,
so
wondering
what
your
take
on.
L
That
is
because
the
union
members
who
at
that
meeting
and
I
felt,
could
have
given
some
better
explanations
or
answers
to
some
of
the
questions
people
had,
but
if
it
was
in
violation,
obviously
we
can't
so
I'm,
not
asking
us
to
ever.
Have
people
be
in
a
position
they
couldn't.
But
thinking
of
this
hearing
now.
J
So
can
I
ask
you
just
so
I
make
sure
I
understand
what
it
is.
You're
asking
me.
Are
you
asking
so
does
our
role
in
this
or
our
testimony
today
constitute
of
bargaining
violation
or
is
it
is
it?
Is
it
something
that
would
affect
the
fact
that
the
the
good
faith
of
of
the
bargaining
we're
doing
at
the
table.
L
J
See
I
don't
think
so,
but
then
we've
also
tried.
You
know
scrupulously
to
stay
away
from
anything
that
constitutes
a
proposal
that
went
across
the
table
or
anything
that
comes
close
to
it.
So
no
I
don't
think
there
is
a
violation.
L
J
So
that
again
touches
on
things
that
that
potentially
go
across
the
table
in
terms
of
bargaining
proposals,
but
I
would
say-
and
it's
a
it's
an
issue
that
not
with
respect
to
these
negotiations
but
or
any
other
specific
negotiations,
but
I,
think
the
sort
of
mandatory
the
mandatory
overtime
associated
with
Court
appearances
is,
is
certainly
something
that
has
received
an
awful
lot
of
attention
and
could
well
be
a
priority
for
the
administration.
L
C
A
Murdering
a
couple
of
questions,
comments
for
you
and
I
I
think
you
know.
The
results
of
our
Council
work
on
this
front
in
the
prior
session
was
a
lengthy
memo
that
I
took
pains
to
sort
of
put
together
so
I
know.
I've
put
a
lot
of
my
like
thoughts
on
the
policy
contract
on
the
record
and
I
know:
you've
seen
those
so
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
recap
all
of
them.
A
I
think
that
and
I
also
do
want
to
stay
away
from
asking
about
proposals.
So
I
think
just
one
point
that
I
really
wanted
to
stress
more
than
ask
about
was
the
last
one
that
you
mentioned.
The
discipline
I
think
we
found
that
in
the
last
13
years,
three
quarters
of
BPD
major
discipline
and
about
a
third
of
firings
have
been
overturned
by
binding
arbitration
and
when
I
went
in
to
try
to
figure
out
what
had
happened.
Learn
that
you
know
when
you
go
back
to
like
the
1979
contract.
A
We
explicitly
at
that
time
pulled
issues
where
an
officer
had
really
like
you
know,
committed
a
use
of
force,
violation
and
the
police,
commissioner,
and
their
wisdom
was
deciding
that
they
really
couldn't
continue
to
be
a
police
officer.
We
had
pulled
that
out
of
a
grievance
and
arbitration
track
that
could
lead
to
a
binding
arbitrator's
decision
under
the
theory
that
the
you
know
that
that
police
commissioner
really
needed
to
have
that
ability,
but
then
I
think
by
the
97
contract.
A
It
had
gone
into
that,
and
so
that's
put
us
in
a
position
and
a
lot
of
them
are
kind
of
famous
stories
at
this
point,
including
a
case
that
went
all
the
way
to
the
Supreme
Judicial
Court,
where
they
basically
said.
Yeah
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
pull
this
out
of
binding
arbitration,
but
you
guys
put
it
there
in
the
contract.
A
I
just
I'm
deeply
concerned
learned
about
the
ability
for
our
new
civilian
review
board
to
actually
function
the
way
that
it's
supposed
to.
If
we
don't
make
some
kind
of
contract
progress
on
that
discipline,
strictly
major
discipline
and
discharge
front,
so
that's
sort
of
really
to
punctuate.
That
point
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
say
on
that,
without
asking
about
specific
proposals.
J
A
That's
fair
and
yeah,
and
on
on
details
I,
you
know
I
just
want
to
stress
that.
A
For
me,
it's
really
there's
really
a
life
safety
concern
with
how
many
of
these,
and
particularly
like
counselor
Colette
I've,
got
in
my
district,
some
of
the
ones
that
I
think
need
to
be
high
priority,
but
we
aren't
currently
able
to
tier
them.
I've
got
an
intersection
in
my
district
where
pedestrian
was
killed
in
May.
It
was
not
during
a
construction
project,
but
there's
now
a
construction
project
at
that
intersection,
so
something
that
we've
already
id'd
as
a
vision.
A
Zero
major
priority
intersection
has
big
trucks
coming
in
and
out
with
car
with
pedestrians
Crossing
all
the
time-
and
this
is
this-
is
at
Blossom
in
Cambridge,
it's
at
the
large
new
MGH
project
and
those
details
have
been
going
unfilled,
including
at
night
and
I've
I
happen
to
have
a
bunch
of
senior
low-income
residents
who
have
Windows
watching
it
and
keep
reporting
to
Us
close
calls
that
they're,
seeing
and
I
just
really
want
to
stress
that
you
know
we've
been
talking
a
bit
about
details
and
who
fills
them
in
the
and
the
public
safety
implications
of
who
fills
them.
A
But
I
just
really
want
to
stress
that
this
third
to
a
half
of
details
going
unfilled,
especially
these
high
tier
really
important
ones
like-
can
have
a
real
life
safety
impact
too.
So
so
I
just
want
to
stress
that
I
think
like
the
status
quo,
where
we
are
right
now
with
so
many
going
unfilled
like
we
just
have
to
change.
J
J
You
know
I
would
say
much
of
the
discussion
has
revolved
around
civilian
flaggers,
but
you
know
the
whole
reform
of
the
detail
system
to
make
sure
we
have
a
detail
system
that
works
as
you
talk
about
is
more
General
than
that,
and
it
also
is
the
kind
of
a
situation
that
involves
other
reforms
and
sort
of
pursuing
all
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
detail
system
that
works
and
that
the
projects
we
need
covered
are
covered.
J
I
should
say
too
it's
beyond
projects,
I
mean
certainly
Banks
and
bars,
and
clubs
and
all
kinds
of
things
are
subject
to
the
detail
system.
So
yeah
I
mean
prioritization
is
something
that's
been
talked
about
for
a
long
time.
You
know
the
the
potential
of
other
non-sworn
officers
to
perform
details.
I
mean
these
are
all
tools
that
you
know,
we
think
constitute
Common
Sense
reform
and
a
detail
system
that
works.
So
you
know
we
stand
Foursquare
behind
that
and
we're
pursuing
it.
A
Yeah
and
and
I
think
that's
sort
of
is
a
bridge
to
the
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make,
which
is
I
think
we
have
I,
think
councilor
Arroyo
referenced
sort
of
what
are
positions
that
could
potentially
be
done
by
civilians
that
are
being
done
by
sworn
officers,
and
my
recollection
is,
you
know,
I
think
in
a
presentation
the
department
offered
us
in
July
2020.
A
There
was
a
reference
to
a
sort
of
long-term
goal
of
civilianizing,
about
80,
to
100,
desk
jobs
and
of
those
I
think
32
of
them
are
sworn
officers
who
run
our
highly
decentralized
detail
system
today
and
I.
Just
I
I
just
want
to
stress
that
to
me
again,
this
is
actually
about
respecting
our
police
officers
and
their
specialized
training.
A
Like
I
think
you
know,
there
are
real
things
that
only
a
police
officer
can
do
managing
the
spreadsheets
of
who
is
in
which
covering
which
detail
and
which
who's
had
the
chance
to
bid
on
them,
and
all
of
that
like
it
strikes
me
as
not
work
that
you
have
to
have
all
of
the
specialized
training
that
we
invest
in
our
police
officers.
To
do
so.
A
I
just
want
to
stress
that
things
like
that
things,
like
the
supervision
of
the
dispatch
system
I'm,
there
certainly
I'm
sure
roles
within
that,
where
the
sort
of
knowledge
that
a
sworn
officer
brings
room
is
important,
but
again
would
really
love
to
have
oursmore
and
staff
out
on
the
streets,
doing
police
work
and
and
I'll
just
Echo.
A
You
know
it
wasn't
amongst
your
three
issues,
for
a
presentation
just
want
to
stress
the
fact
that
I
think
this
Council,
including
the
mayor
herself
as
a
counselor,
was
very
clear
last
session
about
our
interest
in
some
unarmed
response
to
certain
types
of
nylon
calls
there's,
obviously
a
kind
of
pilot
visioning
process.
A
That's
been
going
on
that
we're
expecting
a
report
out
about
from
quite
soon,
and
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
had
is
that
we
will
get
that
report
and
have
a
vision
of
a
way
that
we
could
respond
to
some
other
calls
and
then
find
that
we've
precluded
ourselves
from
doing
it
because
of
the
level
of
specificity
in
the
contract
about
how
dispatch
needs
to
be
run.
So
I
just
I
wanted
to
erase
that
as
another
issue,
I
don't
know.
If
you
had
anything
to
say
on
the
dispatch
front,.
J
J
There
are
a
lot
of
things
we
want
to
fix
and
it's
going
to
take
more
than
one
collective
bargaining
agreement
to
do
it.
So
you
know,
even
if
we
can't
you
know,
tackle
everything
now,
I
mean
we're,
certainly
aware
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
and
the
administration
is
committed
to
fixing
problems
through
collective
bargaining.
You
know
that
is
the
business
we're
in.
So
even
if
it
wasn't
something
that
we
necessarily
talked
about
in
this
presentation.
A
Yeah
and
and
I
also
wanted
to
say,
you
know,
I
think
that
to
some
to
some
extent
what
might
what
might
be
opaque
to
the
public,
but
it's
kind
of
interesting
is
you
know
you
hear
counselors
talking
about
how
we
need
to
hire
a
lot
more
police
officers,
and
you
also
hear
counselors
talking
about
how
we
need
to
civilianize.
Some
of
the
roles
being
done
by
sworn
like
I
was
just
saying
and
get
injured,
Duty
folks,
either
medically
retired,
if
that's
the
appropriate
route
or
back
on
the
force.
A
So
you
know
when
we
talk
about
150,
you
know
officers
out
on
injured
leave
if
we
cut
that
by
a
hundred
and
if
the
hundreds
warrant
officers
who
are
currently
doing
desk
jobs
were
instead
doing
like
police
officer
work,
that's
200
more
officers
back
in
that
role,
so
in
some
sense,
I
want
to
just
acknowledge
that
I
think
lots
of
colleagues
are
talking
about
the
same
problem,
which
is
you
know,
seeing
way
too
many
of
our
officers
get
into
those
90
hour
work
weeks,
which
I
just
think
are
you
know
corrosive
to
to
anyone's
health
and
and
seeing
these
really
escalated
costs
on
overtime.
A
That's
the
thing
is
like
a
lot
of
a
huge
proportion
of
overtime.
It's
it's
about.
20
million
I
think
a
year
replacing
like
a
hundred
officers
on
on
medical
injury
with
kind
of,
because
what
happens
is
we
replace
them,
but
we
replace
them
with
people
who
then
their
hours
count
as
overtime
hours
instead
of
regular
hours.
So
it
just
you
know,
and
that
to
me
is
one
of
the
sort
of
structural
things
we
got
to
solve,
along
with
looking
at
places
where
we're
doing
routine
over
time.
A
A
But
I
just
want
to
stress
that
I
think
in
a
lot
of
ways
everybody
sees
some
of
the
same
issues,
it's
just
a
question
of
how
to
address
them
and
how
to
address
them
in
ways
that
are
fiscally
responsible
for
the
residents
of
Boston
I
I'll
I'll
close
my
own
comments,
because
I've
just
run
I'm
just
running
out
of
the
time.
I
give
everybody
else.
A
Just
by
saying
that
you
know
you
made
ref
reference
to
the
fact
that
the
council,
if
there
is
a
jail
MC
award,
is
the
ones
that
have
to
decide
to
fund
it
and
have
to
look
at
the
fiscal
responsibility
of
it.
And
the
reality
is
that
when
that
last
came
to
the
council
in
2016,
there
was
a
letter
from
the
whole
Council.
This
was
on
the
detective's
contract.
A
But
there
was
a
unit
unanimous
letter
by
everyone
on
the
council
saying
you
know
we
can't
keep
doing
it
this
way
and
and
I
just
really
want
to
stress
that
you
know
I
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
world
in
which
it's
going
to
make
sense
for
the
council
to
support
the
funding
of
a
contract
that
doesn't
deliver
reforms,
because
I
think
there's
no
way
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
real.
Like
fiscal
concerns.
A
Again
we
already
have
had
those
in
the
in
the
prior
decade
and
costs
have
risen
since
then,
so
I.
Just
think
that
it
that's.
Why
I'm
glad
we're
having
this
conversation
precisely
so
that
we're
not
having
it
for
the
first
time
when
we're
rushed
in,
but
I
I
think
it's
important
for
the
public
and
for
the
parties
at
the
table
to
to
sort
of
be
aware
that
that's
a
weather
system
as
it
were
in
which
this
this
is
being
negotiated,
has
to
be
a
kind
of
weather
system
of
Reform.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
table.
I
will
briefly
go
to
colleagues.
I
gave
everybody
10
minutes
just
so
you
know
that
first
beat
was
at
eight
and
then
I
gave
it
to
another
two.
A
If
you
have
so
on
a
much
shorter,
not
another
10
minutes,
oh
I,
see
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson
has
joined,
so
I
will
give
her
a
sort
of
first
round
set
of
questions
and
then,
if
colleagues
can
just
think
about,
oh
okay
you're
all
right
for
it.
Okay.
A
So
if
anybody
here
has
like
just
a
couple
of
minutes
of
a
follow-up
that
you
thought
of
since
you
went,
but
I
really
do
want
to
both
let
our
Administration
panelists
go
but
also
hear
from
our
Advocate
panelists
who've
been
waiting
patiently,
especially
as
we
got
started
late,
so
I'll
go
just
see
if
counselor
Lara
has
any
second
round
follow-ups.
B
For
questions,
if
that
is
helpful,
thank
you,
so
the
first
one
that
I
have
is
for
chief
Miller,
and
it's
one
that
I
didn't
get
in
my
in
my
first
round,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
public
process
that
you've
already
gone
through.
Can
you
share
with
us
what
part
of
that
public
feedback
has
informed
your
priority?
I
Yeah
I
think
if
I
could
mention
the
two
things
that
really
came
across
during
the
the
community
dialogues
was
one
the
fact.
Of
course,
civilianized
civilizing.
Certain
roles
has
been
the
focal
point
for
a
lot
of
the
community
members
and
Advocates
and
seeing
what
what
roles
are
capacity,
what
roles
or
capabilities
can
be
civilianized.
And
what
does
that
look
like?
I
So
that
was
like
one
of
the
one
of
them
and
then
the
other
one
I
would
say
I
would
and
if
blue
wants
to
China,
because
he
was
a
part
of
the
community
processes
too,
but
that
one
and
I
would
say
the
disciplinary
piece
making
sure
officers
that
that
shouldn't
be
officers
are
off
on
the
street
and
how
does
that
work?
So
I
would
say
that
those
are
the
two
things
yeah.
B
You
so
much
and
Mr
mandarini
in
the
questions
that
Council
Arroyo
asked.
You
stated
that
9
alternative
9
houses
is
in
part
controlled
by
the
process.
Could
you
is?
Is
there
any
way
that
the
city
could
create
an
alternative
9-1-1
like
alternative
to
9-1-1
process
outside
of
the
contract
or
what
part
of
the?
What?
What
part
of
it
is
in
part
in
the
contract
and
what
part
of
it.
J
J
Of
that
so
I
mean
that
that
was
more.
What
I
meant
it's
fine
in
regard
to.
B
That
thank
you
and
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
if
you're
successful,
in
reining
in
what
you've
identified
as
the
drivers
of
overtime
abuse
not
just
over
time.
Obviously,
because
we
know
that
we
need
to
be
doing
overtime.
How
much
potentially
do
you
think
that
it
could
save
the
city
in
overtime
and
I?
Think
just
for
context
for
the
public
and
for
the
record,
the
overtime
budget
is
about
44
million
dollars
right
now.
B
We
know
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
every
year
goes
over
the
overtime
budget
because
of
necessity
or
otherwise,
and
they're
working
about
1
to
1.2
million
hours
of
overtime,
and
so,
if
you're
successful
in
reining
in
these
drivers
ballpark.
How
much
do
you
think
this
could
save
the
city.
J
Well,
I
mean
one
of
the
statistics.
I
mean
one
of
the
statistics
that
are
are
you
know
the
the
data
folks
have
prepared
for
us
in
the
process
of
these
negotiations,
I
mean
the
overtime
that's
associated
with
backfilling.
J
J
Now
we're
not
going
to
solve
that
whole
thing
through
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
because,
as
we
say,
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
management
decisions
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
capacity
of
the
city
to
medically
retire
people.
That
has
a
lot
to
do
with
what
we're
doing
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
But
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
significant
pool
that
we
hope
to
take
a
real
run
at
so
thank.
B
You
and
my
last
question
is
about
the
budget
implications
of
the
contract
negotiations,
and
so
when
there
is
an
agreement
on
the
contract,
will
the
city
council
and
the
public
be
told
one
how
much
the
contract
is
going
to
add
retroactively
to
the
2021
and
2020
like
the
2021
and
2022
police
budgets
and
the
overtime
payments,
and
will
you
also
let
us
know
how
much
the
contract
will
decrease
or
increase
from
the
395
million
budget
that
we
have
right
now?
Yes,
thank
you.
No
further
questions
Madam
chair
thank.
E
D
All
right,
I
just
want
to
correct
one
thing,
which
is
that
last
year's
overtime
was
I,
believe
72
million
dollars
not
in
the
40s,
but
in
terms
of
a
couple
things
that
came
up,
one
of
them
was
hinted
at
or
more
fully
expressed,
which
is
disciplinary
actions
which
is
controlled
by
the
I
believe
it
was
councilor
Bach
who
brought
that
up.
D
It
is
controlled
in
large
part
by
what
the
contract
says
and
the
last
data
that
I
saw
on
this
was
in
a
2020
article
or
2021
article
by
WBUR
that
was
titled.
How
should
we
reform
the
police?
D
Get
bad
cops
off
the
street
and
the
number
that
they
have
is
72
percent
of
disciplinary
actions
taken
against
Boston
police
officers
are
overturned,
and
so
that's
almost
three
and
four,
which
leads
to
a
second
issue
I,
would
think
which
is
if
I'm,
a
police
commissioner
and
three
and
four
of
my
disciplinary
decisions
are
overturned,
probably
makes
it
harder
for
me
to
move
forward
on
discipline,
and
so
the
bar
starts
to
raise
as
to
when
and
where
I'm
going
to
actually
begin
to
discipline.
D
Folks,
and
so
you
actually
end
up
with
a
chilling
effect
on
accountability
and
so
I
guess,
my
question
would
be
without
speaking
about
specifics
about
where
and
what
has
been
discussed
or
where
what
will
be
discussed
or
any
of
those
things.
D
J
I
think
holy
is
a
strong
word.
There
I
mean
the
grievance
and
arbitration
process
governs
that,
but
you
know
that
has
an
awful
lot
to
do
with
management.
The
way
that
management
deploys
itself,
because
you
know
the
Bedrock
of
every
collective
bargaining
agreement,
whether
it's
a
police
contract
or
the
contract
that
age
strong
or
the
contract
for
Animal,
Control,
Officers
or
the
btu.
You
know,
there's
a
concept
called
just
cause.
J
You
know
and
just
cause
says
that
you
know
similar
offenses
will
be
treated
similarly,
penalties
penalties
will
be
similar,
employees
will
receive
notice
of
a
rule.
Employees
will
receive
notice
of
offensive
conduct
that
could
lead
to
discipline,
and
you
know
one
of
the
issues
that
goes
on
here
is
that
you
know
if
somebody
gets
a
three-day
suspension.
While
somebody
else
gets
six
weeks.
You
know
it
ends
up
in
front
of
an
arbitrator
and
there's
no
real
defensible
reason
why
people
are
treated
so
divergently.
J
You
know
that
is
going
to
lead
to
discipline
being
overturned
or
reduced.
So
there's
a
heavy
management
function
here.
I
mean
I
want
to
be
clear.
Yeah.
The
collective
bargaining
agreement
has
a
lot
to
do
with
it,
but
having
a
sort
of
a
competent
streamline,
uniform
thought
out
system
of
discipline,
it's
is
the
biggest
pieces.
D
And
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
to
that
to
what
you
just
mentioned
is:
is
there
a
way
in
again
staying
away
from
what
has
been
spoken
on
or
what
will
be
or
whatever?
Is
there
a
way
to
articulate
within
that
contract?
What
penalties
are
attributed
to
offenses
specific
offenses?
J
I
mean
I
think
that
there
are
it's
a
complex
question,
but
you
know
this
touches
on
and
certainly
touches
on
the
work
that
opat
is
doing.
This
is
the
concept
of
a
disciplined
Matrix.
You
know,
that's
been
talked
about
a
lot
and
a
discipline.
Matrix
is
you
know,
depending
on
where
you
are.
J
You
know
the
discipline
Matrix
matrices
can
sometimes
live
in
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
or
they
can
live
outside
of
a
collective
bargaining
government,
but
that
goes
directly
to
the
question
you're
asking
that
you
know
that
is
an
offense.
This
offense
will
be
treated.
Similarly,
it
will
receive
this
penalty.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
You
know
whether
it
lives
in
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
or
lives
outside
enables
you
to
sustain
review
of
discipline
that
you
know
it's
it's
either.
J
D
And
then,
just
on
this
final
part,
I
know
people
have
asked
you
guys
to
bring
back
information.
Is
there
a
way
for
you
to
bring
us
up-to-date
information
on
this
statistic
itself?
How
many
disciplinary
actions
have
been
overturned
by
arbitration?
What
that
number
is
and
what
that
number
looks
like?
Is
there
a
way
for
you
to
bring
us
that,
whether
that's
with
identifying
or
not
identifying
information,
whatever
it
requires
for
legality
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
identifying,
but
that
just
the
statistics
on
that.
J
D
Perfect
and
then
I
would
just
the
final
piece
to
this,
because
it
came
up
about
voluntary,
involuntary
I,
think
2021.
We
had
a
hearing
with
the
Boston
Police
Department,
where
I
asked
the
question,
what
the
numbers
were
on
voluntary
and
involuntary
hours
and
I
believe
at
that
time
it
was
well
over
80
percent
of
overtime
was
voluntary
at
that
time.
D
I
don't
know
what
the
current
numbers
are,
but
I
would
be
interested
as
well
in
seeing
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
would
just
state
that
one
of
the
issues
here
because
it
keeps
coming
up,
is
the
idea
that
we
need
more
officers
to
fill
voluntary
overtime
through
details,
as
opposed
to
say
lifting
the
sworn
police
officer
requirement
so
that
it
can
be
opened
up
to
civilianization
and
I
guess,
ultimately,
what
that
comes
down
to,
because
I
hear
you
know
we
get
into
this
conversation
about
whether
or
not
folks
are
doing
forced
or
unforced
overtime
and
I
think
there
is
absolutely
officers
on
the
force
doing
forced
required
over
time.
D
That
is
happening
and
I
think
there
are
unhealthy
hours
that
do
get
worked
on
the
police
force.
As
we
speak
right
now,
but
the
argument
that
we
need
to
keep
voluntary
over
time
as
we
talk
about
this
issue
so
more
over
time,
is
good
in
this
capacity.
But
not
in
this
capacity
is
a
confusing
argument
to
me
if
we
can
open
up
the
door
to
more
consistent
hours,
while
also
allowing
say
an
option
Force
more
Personnel
in
that
role
But.
D
C
Thank
you,
councilor
councilor,
Murphy,.
L
And
thank
you,
commissioner.
What
do
we
say
the
chair
here,
Brianna
mallor
for
being
here
and
I-
do
appreciate
that
the
community
input
is
important
and
I
have
seen
you
at
many
well-attended
Community
meetings
across
the
city,
to
listen,
not
just
to
speak,
but
to
listen
and
bring
that
back
to
this
City
into
the
mayor.
L
But
my
question
would
be
because
we're
talking
about
getting
police
reforms
in
this
contract
and
does
the
city
acknowledge
that
these
reforms
will
cost
money
and
my
question
would
be:
has
the
city
gained
any
reforms
during
negotiations
with
other
groups
like
BTU
in
any
of
the
contracts
that
you
have
settled
since
you
started?
Oh.
J
I,
don't
have
the
cost
of
that
contract
again,
that's
something
we
can.
We
can
respond
to
in
your
office,
the
co,
the
cost
of
those
contracts
and
that
actually
came
before
the
council
too.
The
btu
contract
was
passed,
I
think
it
was
in
late
October,
but
yeah
I
mean
we've.
We've
won,
I
mean
whether
you
know
the
school
bus
driver
is
down
to
you
know
other
contracts
that
we've
negotiated.
The
btu
yeah
I
mean
we've,
we've
won,
you
know
what
we
would
consider
to
be
significant
amounts
of
reform.
L
Right
so
I
would,
through
the
chair,
ask
that
we
get
the
cost
analysis
of
what
it
cost
us
and
what
those
reforms
were
for
past
contracts.
That
would
be
helpful.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll
reserved
my
time.
I
came
in
late,
just
listening
and
I'll
ask
questions
for
the
next
balance.
Great
thank.
A
You
so
much
all
right,
well,
I
think
that
I
I
am
very
mindful
of
The
Advocate
panel
that
we
have
waiting
and
definitely
you
know.
A
purpose
of
this
hearing
was
for
us
to
hear
from
you
and
have
this
and
have
this
understanding
for
the
Council
of
how
the
administration
is
approaching.
A
The
collective
bargaining
process,
but
also,
as
has
been
alluded
to
a
part
part
of
the
purpose
of
this
hearing,
is
to
hear
from
community
and
make
sure
that
we're
creating
a
public
forum
for
folks
to
talk
about
some
of
like
their
Visions
for
ways
that
policy
intertwines
with
the
Police
contract,
maybe
in
line
with
some
of
the
things
that
you've
heard
in
your
in
your
own
meetings.
So
I
just
really
want
to
express
my
thanks
to
you
all
for
coming
before
us
today.
A
Happy
to
let
you,
if
you
want
to
say
any
closing
words,
but
then
otherwise,
we'll
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
panel
yeah
and
then
just
just
again
to
emphasize
the
fact
that
you
know
I
think
that
I
think
that
the
policy
issues
that
are
implicated
in
the
police
contractor
ones
that
not
just
the
mayor
but
pretty
much
all
of
us
in
the
council
have
talked
about
in
various
contexts.
In
our
own.
A
You
know
electoral
campaigns
and
so
I
do
think
that
we
hope,
even
though
this
doesn't
sit
in
the
council's
hands
when
it
comes
to
the
bargaining
table
that
that
you
will
keep
pursuing
it
in
a
kind
of
exactly
what
you
said.
Mr
mandarini
both.
How
do
we
achieve
reforms
and
have
a
fair
deal
for
our
police
officers
as
workers
for
the
city.
J
Yep
well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
again
today
and
actually,
as
part
of
the
commitment
we've
made
to
the
public
process
or
the
commitment
that
the
mayor
made.
We
are
I'm,
definitely
going
to
stay
and
listen
to
The
Advocate
panels
so
that
you
know
that
can
help
shape
what
we
do
going
forward.
So.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
and
also
Council
Royal
will
be
back
in
a
moment,
but
he
just
wanted
to
express
his
thanks
to
you
and
I
know.
Council
Lauren
just
said
the
same,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
you
have
our
thanks
and
now
I
want
to
call
down
the
next
panel,
which
is
we've
got
Fatima
Ahmed
from
the
Muslim
Justice
League
Khalil
Howe
from
youth,
Justice
and
power
Union,
and
then
Mallory,
henora
and
Sashi
James,
representing
families
for
Justice's
healing.
A
A
All
right
and
thank
you
thank
you
to
you
all
for
your
patience.
We
will
go
first
to
fatimarama.
O
Thanks
so
glad
to
be
here
really
exciting,
to
have
a
hearing
like
this
for
the
first
time
and
really
appreciate
the
last
panel
and
that
they're
staying
to
yeah,
listen
to
what
we
have
to
say.
I
know
that
some
of
you
on
the
council
are
probably
tired
of
hearing
from
me
about
some
of
these
things,
because
we
have
been
talking
about
it
year
after
year,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
significant
moment
with
this
new
Administration,
taking
a
very
different
public
approach
to
contract
negotiations
and
I.
O
Think
the
thing
that
we
want
to
reiterate
from
years
past
is
that
you
know,
year
after
year.
Community
demands
have
come
up
in
this
chamber
about
the
police,
from
overtime
to
civilianizing,
to
many
other
issues,
and
we
always
hear
well,
we
can't
do
it
because
of
the
contract.
So
now
is
the
moment
to
do
it.
Right
now
is
the
moment
that
you
have
to
deliver
on
this,
and
that
is
both
for
the
city
and
the
council
when
it
comes
to
you.
O
I
am
really
grateful
that
the
city
council
is
holding
this
hearing,
but
has
been
frustrating
that
you
know
the
only
public
news
that
has
come
out
about
the
contract
has
been
from
the
bppa
and
not
from
mayor
Woo's
Administration,
even
though
her
platform
promised
you
know
a
public
process
around
this.
We
know
it's
been,
you
know,
handled
through
different
mayors
and
you
know
been
passed
around
and
that's
that's
a
pretty
hard
situation
to
be
in,
but
Marilu
did
promise
that
there
would
be.
You
know
public
input,
political
education
around
this
right.
O
We
all
know
that
the
contract
is
really
difficult
to
understand.
I
think
we're
still
trying
to
make
sense
of
of
so
much
of
it,
and
so
I
hope
that
you
know
Lou
and
Brianna.
Take
this
back
that
like
this,
cannot
be
the
only
public
process
today
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
get
to
have.
You
know
public
input
that
there
is
public
information
about
how
the
contract
actually
works.
What
does
it
really
mean
mean
right
and
what
are
the
numbers
behind
it?
I'm
glad
that
many
counselors
have
even
asked
this
right.
O
How
does
overtime
actually
work
and
what
impact
will
this
have
on
the
budget?
And
so
we
really
hope
to
see
that
we
had
sent
a
letter
to
Mayor
Wu's
Administration
about
that,
and
they
did
respond,
saying
that
there
will
be.
You
know
some
public
engagement
in
early
December
which
starts
today.
So
we
hope
that
this
is
really.
You
know
the
first
of
many
ways
that
Community
can
engage
again
given
that
year
after
year
we
come,
and
we
say
what
we
want
and
we
hear
just
can't
happen
because
of
the
contract.
O
So
I
think
folks
are
really
excited
to
see
three
different
things
that
we'll
talk
about
today.
One
is,
you
know:
civilianizing
details
right,
taking
away
the
Monopoly
on
details,
opening
that
up
not
just
construction
details,
but
details
in
general,
which
you'll
hear
folks
talk
a
little
bit
more
about.
Second,
is
cutting
over
time
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
I
wanna
really
appreciate
how
this
city
council
has
taken
that
issue
on
year
after
year.
O
Talking
about
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
overtime
and
getting
to
the
heart
of
like
overtime
for
the
police
does
not
work
in
the
way
that
most
folks
think
about
overtime
right.
It's
not
like
this.
You
know
clear
process
right,
there's
so
many
different
ways
that
overtime
is
baked
in
it's
voluntary.
O
It's
promised
versus
you
know
just
being
extra
hours
over
40
hours
that
you're
working
and
I
I
want
to
also
remind
folks
that
this
Council
in
a
historic
vote,
unanimously
voted
on
the
most
recent
budget
to
cut
the
police
budget
unanimously
right
and
there
were
questions
of
well.
Is
it
going
to
be
real
because
of
overtime?
I?
O
Do
want
to
remind
folks
that
part
of
that
happens
within
that
contract
right,
but
I
think
the
other
thing
that
this
Council
needs
to
be
questioning
marwoo
about
is
the
interpretation
that
anything
BPD
does
is
emergency,
and
that
is
what
allows
them
to
spend
over
their
budget
right.
Unlike
any
other
departments,
any
other
department,
that's
coming
up
on
their
you
know,
allocated
amount
would
have
to
stop
at
some
point,
but
I
believe
that
is
maybe
in
the
city.
O
Charter
I'm,
not
an
attorney
I,
don't
remember
exactly
where
that
is,
but
I
think
that's
the
other
thing
that
you
all
need
to
consider
around
overtime
and
I
won't
go
into
every
detail
about
overtime
because,
again,
I
don't
want
to
be
an
expert
on
this.
O
Many
of
the
city
sitting
counselors
were
here
in
2020
and
committed
to
cutting
the
police
budget,
and
you
heard
from
thousands
of
people-
and
you
saw
thousands
of
people
protest
in
the
city,
and
that
was
one
particular
moment,
but
that
fight
has
been
going
on
for
quite
some
time
right.
This
is
not
new.
None
of
these
issues
are
new
and
again
the
sitting
mayor
mayor
Wu
was
part
of
that
of
committing
to
actually
decreasing
the
BPD
budget
and
saying
well.
We
can't
make
those
changes.
O
Looks
like
raining
in
this
police
budget
and
actually
allowing
the
council
to
have
some
power
over
you
know
what
that
looks
like
I
think
it
will
be
disappointing
to
community
members
if
that
is
not
a
reality
again
after
many
many
years
of
bringing
this
up,
and
so
I
I
hope
that
that
you
know
informs
both
the
council,
as
you
know,
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
when
this
will
get
passed
back
to
you
after
arbitration
I,
do
think
some
of
this
has
already
informed.
You
know
what
Mary
Wu
has
prioritized.
O
We've
seen
that
they're
prioritizing
civilianizing
details,
we've
seen
over
time.
We
haven't
seen
budget
specifically,
you
know
talked
about
yet,
and
I
also
hope
that
you
know
we
can
actually
get
more
information
from
the
city
before
it
goes
to
arbitration
about
what
those
numbers
are
right.
How
does
overtime
work?
How
is
this
going
to
impact
the
budget
and
then
I
again,
I
hope
when
it
comes
to
the
council
that
you
all
will
reflect
these
priorities?
O
That
many
of
you
have
said
that
these
are
are
your
priorities,
so
I
think
we're
just
here
to
remind
you
of
that.
C
A
Thanks
so
much
Fatima,
and
just
to
note
that
it
is
section
42
of
the
city
Charter,
oh
thank
you
so
yeah
and
for
folks
watching
at
home.
A
There's
a
there's,
a
reference
in
that
section
to
the
police
commissioner
needing
to
make
a
specific
Declaration
of
a
well
there's,
a
reference
to
only
having
overtime,
Beyond
budget
in
a
case
of
extreme
emergency
involving
the
health
or
safety
of
the
people
or
their
property,
and
so
that
there's
been
a
conversation
about
right
now
that
sort
of
happens
as
a
matter
of
course,
and
we
do
have
a
letter
from
The
Corporation
Council
previously
saying.
Well,
you
know
because
overtime
is
contractual
it
it
kind
of
like
we
have
to
pay
it.
A
Obviously,
once
people
have
worked
it
that's
clearly
the
case
because
of
labor
law
and
basic
fairness,
and
so
the
question,
though,
is
could
is
like.
Should
there
have
to
be
a
more
public
declaration
or
something
for
that
to
happen?
So
that's
just
since
we're
doing
political
education,
it's
section
42
in
the
charter.
If
anyone
wants
to
look
it
up,
I
think
it's
Khalil.
Next!
Is
that
right,
Khalil?
How
from
the
youth,
Justice
Empower
Union
thanks
for
being
here.
P
Yeah
I've
been
here
a
couple
times,
I
think
I,
know
everyone
or
you
all
know
me:
Khalil
I'm,
an
organizer
musical
artist
and
a
resident
of
Roxbury
shout
out
Tanya
I've
been
organizing
with
youth
Justice
empowering
since
2014
and
as
a
black
man
living
in
a
low-income,
neighborhood
I've,
always
been
surrounded
by
the
police.
P
Working
in
my
community
and
hearing
stories
of
disparity
I've
come
to
understand
that
policing
works
as
a
false
solution
to
violence
and
year
after
year
we
invest
395
million
dollars
of
our
City's
budget
into
criminalizing
and
harming
our
struggling
communities
over
policing
seems
to
have
no
impact
on
violence
and
obvious
solution
is
getting
to
the
root
cause,
and
that
means
divesting,
at
least
at
least
120
million
from
the
police
budget,
which
is
the
biggest
budget
in
the
whole
city
and
investing
that
into
Community
Resources,
such
as
affordable
housing,
Mental
Health,
crisis
response,
education
and
youth
jobs.
P
We've
been
saying
that
since
2014
2015.,
actually
we've
been
saying
these
jobs
forever,
but
yeah
at
bare
minimum
in
this
contract,
any
changes
made
should
involve
a
net
decrease,
meaning
like
if
you
want
to
increase
salaries,
then
costing
to
be
cut
elsewhere,
resulting
in
a
decrease.
This
could
be
cutting
the
amount
of
officers
because
we
could
hire
community
members
for
details
to
keep
people
safe
and
healthy
and
capping
and
cutting
overtime
or
actually
decreasing
the
salaries.
P
If
you
wanted
to
keep
all
the
extra
ways
cops
inflate,
their
paychecks
yjpu
has
been
fighting
to
cut
the
police
budget
and
reinvest
in
our
community
since
2015.
For
the
last
five
years,
we've
heard
that
we
can't
change
the
budget
because
of
the
contract
contract
negotiations
and
now
that
we're
negotiating
contracts.
It's
time
y'all
hear
us
out.
P
I
was
17
when
we
started
this
flight
on
25
now,
I
spent
eight
years
hearing
stories,
seeing
community
members
struggling
to
survive
and
grab
policing
and
conditions
in
their
communities,
and
it
hasn't
felt
good
year
after
year
to
be
turned
down,
having
to
look
those
same
people
in
the
face.
Looking
at
the
budget
year
after
year
and
seeing
what
the
city
is
willing
to
put
over
our
lives
so
again,
I'm
just
asking
like
what
are
y'all
gonna
do.
Q
Thank
you
Khalil
and
Fatima,
and
to
all
our
neighbors
and
residents
and
community
in
the
building.
My
name
is
Mallory
and
I'm.
The
director
of
families
for
justice,
as
healing
our
mission
is-
and
it
always
has
been
to
end
the
incarceration
of
women
and
girls.
We
do
policy
and
litigation
work.
We
have
a
campaign
to
stop
the
state's
plans
to
build
a
50
million
dollar
prison
for
women.
Q
We
do
community
Defense
work
to
bring
women
and
our
loved
ones
home
from
jail
in
prison,
and
we
lead
on
the
ground,
organizing
called
reimagining
communities
in
Boston
to
build
community
infrastructure,
so
people
and
families
can
Thrive,
and
my
brilliant
co-worker
is
the
director
of
that
work
and
she'll
speak
on
that
momentarily
we're
here
again
to
urge
the
Wu
Administration
and
the
city
council
to
recognize
that
the
community
is
here
yet
again
asking
for
a
shift
in
both
priorities
and
resources
and
meaningful
investment
in
communities.
Q
We're
asking
you
to
do
everything
in
your
power
to
civilianize
construction
details,
so
more
people
can
feed
their
families
and
even
afford
to
live
in
Boston,
including
negotiating
the
make
negotiating
to
make
the
necessary
changes
to
the
bppa
contract
and
not
approving
a
contract.
Without
those
changes,
as
others
have
said,
the
Police
contract
is
a
policy
document
that
affects
every
person
who
lives
and
works
in
Boston
and
the
City
of
Boston
budget
that
funds
that
Police
contract
is
a
moral
document
that
reflects
the
city's
priorities
for
years
now,
as
Khalil
said
so
beautifully.
Q
Community
members
have
been
both
inside
and
outside
of
this
building,
demanding
real,
meaningful
investment
in
Grassroots,
community-led
programs,
services
and
solutions
to
the
tune
of
tens
of
millions
of
dollars,
and
not
a
few
here
or
there.
We
want
well-funded
Equitable,
engaging
participatory
budgeting
process
led
by
residents
and
we're
hopeful
about
the
ongoing
process
to
implement
that
we
want
residents
to
have
the
opportunity
to
create
different
responses
to
crisis
and
harm
on
the
hyper
local
level,
and
we
want
the
city
to
finally
take
responsibility
and
address
the
unconscionable
and
nonsensical
Monopoly.
Q
The
BPD
has
on
construction
details.
So
more
residents
can
work
good,
paying
union
jobs
with
Benefits,
not
only
that
the
current
contract,
the
city
in
the
current
contract,
the
city,
does
not
have
the
ability
to
prioritize
details
in
high
traffic
areas
or
complex
intersections
that
most
need
traffic
direction.
Q
We
know
that
residents
trained
in
basic
medical
care,
including
CPR
and
naloxone
administration
trained
in
traffic
direction
and
signaling
and
trained
in
worksite
safety,
can
keep
pedestrians
bikers
and
drivers
safe
wherever
details
are
needed,
our
neighbors
bring
so
much
to
the
table,
including
speaking
so
many
languages
and
care
and
pride
in
their
neighborhoods,
and
also
this
is
happening
in
every
other
state.
The
bppa
wants
to
prevent
residents
from
working
construction
details
and
making
prevailing
wages
that
could
Elevate
families
out
of
poverty
and
instability.
Q
The
arguments
that
they're
making
now
are
the
same
ones
that
they've
made
for
decades
arguments
that
are
rooted
in
greed
and
fear,
not
in
fact,
and
their
tactics
include
demonizing
and
disrespecting
our
community,
an
intimidating
community
members.
We
were
all
at
the
last
hearing
when
the
bppa
president
commandeered
the
mic
for
more
than
20
minutes.
Despite
the
chairwoman's
repeated
attempts
to
call
him
into
order,
and
after
that
blatant
disrespect,
the
BPA
had
the
audacity
to
publicly
insult
and
criticize
members
of
this
Council
on
social
media
for
simply
running
a
public
discussion
on
a
key
issue.
Q
But
this
isn't
new.
There
are
articles
going
back
to
the
80s
and
the
90s
and
every
decade
in
between
about
Boston
police
officers,
arresting
detaining
intimidating
and
otherwise
obstructing
regular
people
from
working
construction
details
or
using
their
political
power
to
maintain
a
monopoly
and
I.
Just
I'm
gonna
highlight
just
a
quote
to
kind
of
show
the
ridiculous
level
that
this
has
elevated
to
really
over
so
many
years.
So
this
is
a
highlight
from
a
1992
Boston,
Globe
story.
Q
Utilities
and
contractors
say
privately
that
the
practice
is
out
of
control
with
officers
and
sometimes
their
spouses
constantly
on
the
lookout
for
road
work
being
done
without
a
police
detail
when
they
find
it
officers
shut
down
jobs
or
write
tickets.
Until
an
officer
is
hired
now,
I'm,
not
holding
any
current
officer
or
members
of
the
BPA
accountable
for
a
1992
situation,
but
even
just
today
in
the
Boston
Herald.
Q
But
anyway,
in
the
past,
when
the
city
of
Boston
has
tried
to
make
needed
changes
on
the
detail
system
to
prioritize
work
on
busy
roads,
it
led
to
the
city
being
embroiled
in
a
decade
of
litigation,
with
a
BPA
from
1996
to
2006..
My
point
in
going
back
so
far
in
history
is
just
to
say
this.
It
is
long
past
time
to
negotiate
these
necessary
changes,
so
residents
can
finally
work
construction
details.
We
already
know
bppa
officers
are
the
highest
played
employees
in
the
city.
Q
We
know
officers
make
a
base
salary
over
time
and
make
income
from
other
kinds
of
details.
We
know
again
what
we've
been
saying
is
that
details
or
icing
on
the
cake
for
cops
that
could
be
food
on
the
table
for
more
families.
We
know
police
officers
do
not
and
cannot
work
all
the
details.
We
know
cops
have
anecdotes
about
stopping
serious
transgressions
while
working
details,
but
the
bpd's
own
incident
report
data
does
not
bear
that
out
and
just
so.
It's
not
just
us
saying
this.
Q
Interestingly,
a
2004
report
from
the
conservative
think
tank
Beacon
Hill
Institute
concluded
that
there
is
no
evidence
of
Public
Safety
benefits
to
Cops
working
details.
Yet
community
members
who
want
to
civilianize
these
details
are
framed
as
radicals
and
discredited
as
stupid
or
ridiculous
when
it's
cops,
who
are
being
unreasonable
and
I
want
to
emphasize
that.
If
we're
willing
to
pay
police
officers
one
wage
to
do
a
job,
we
should
be
willing
to
pay
residents.
Q
Well,
too,
there
is
a
potential
to
expand
and
diversify
the
labor
force
in
Boston,
with
hundreds
of
new
union
jobs
and
a
real
pipeline
for
career
advancement.
Funny
that
all
of
a
sudden,
when
we
talk
about
neighbors
working
these
details,
the
job
in
our
people's
time
and
skills
and
contributions
are
undervalued.
Meanwhile,
the
police
have
frequently
negotiated
for
an
increase
in
detail
wages,
not
only
that
cops
are
paid
for
a
full
four
hours,
even
if
the
detail
is
shorter
and
a
full
eight
hours.
Q
If
the
detail
is
over
four
hours
by
any
amount,
the
prevailing
wage
law,
which
has
been
misrepresented
multiple
times
in
these
public
discussions,
allows
hourly
rate
to
pay
for
People's
Health
plans
and
pay
into
a
pension
plate
in
and
pay
into
a
pension
plan
and
supplemental
unemployment.
While
there
may
be
some
costs
associated
with
insurance,
vacation
time
and
workers
comp,
those
will
be
offset
by
the
administrative
overhead
fees
that
are
already
built
into
the
detail
system
and
a
more
efficient
civilian
office.
Q
Community
members
have
been
clear
and
resounding
communities
need
meaningful
investment
and
real
opportunities,
so
people
can
heal
and
Advance
their
lives.
It
should
be
a
top
priority
of
the
Wu
Administration
and
the
city
council
to
ensure
any
contract
with
a
BP
APA
allows
residents
to
work
details,
police
and
contract
negotiations
have
always
served
and
protected
the
interests
of
the
police,
not
our
communities,
creating
thriving
communities
requires
reallocating
and
investing
City
resources,
which
means
jobs,
money,
land,
buildings,
infrastructure
into
our
neighborhoods,
to
create
well-being
and
address
the
root
causes
of
harm
and
heal
from
harm.
Q
A
C
R
First
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
my
panel.
Thank
you.
It
feels
so
good
to
be
in
solidarity,
especially
when
I
see
youth
or
younger
people
younger
than
me
leading
and
fighting
this
fight,
because
it's
just
been
going
on
for
decades.
So
my
name
is
Sasha
James
and
I'm.
The
director
of
reimagining
communities,
I'm
a
mem
I'm,
a
Community
member
and
I,
live
in
the
most
incarcerated
Corridor
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
I'm.
Also
a
daughter
of
formerly
incarcerated
parents.
R
Directly
directly
impacted
women
and
girls
formally
incarcerated
women
and
girls,
and
current
incarcerated
incarcerated
women
and
girls
have
created
an
infrastructure
which
grew
out
of
years
of
being
on
the
ground
asking
folks
what
do
they
need
or
needed
that
would
have
prevented
them
from
having
any
interaction
with
police,
police
jails
or
prisons.
None
of
them
said
that
we
needed
more
police.
R
However,
it
was
like
my
brother
on
the
piano,
said:
housing,
dignified
income,
effective
treatment,
treatment
and,
more
more
importantly,
resources
for
all
investing
in
the
people
means
we
are
creating
preventative
Pathways
police
only
show
up
after
we
need
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
stop
things
not
show
up
and
just
show
up,
and
we
know
that
investing
in
people
create
healthy,
healthy,
healthy
people
create
healthy,
thriving
communities,
increasing
the
police
budget
and
hiring
500
new
cops
and
for
the
for
the
next
10
years
will
not
address
the
transgressions
happening
in
my
neighborhood.
R
Yet
it
will
only
interrupt
the
infra,
the
reimagining
communities
infrastructure
we
are
implementing
on
the
ground,
which
includes
basic
income,
basic
housing,
community
pantries,
Community,
fridges,
bail,
support,
participatory
defense,
transformative
Justice,
and
the
list
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
and
not
to
mention
at
the
last
hearing
which
I
was
also
at
when
we
opened.
The
first
comment
was
about
the
six
shootings
that
happened
the
night
before,
and
my
heart
always
goes
out
to
my
community
members
that
have
been
impacted
by
gun
violence.
R
However,
that
same
day
there
was
a
hydroponic
farm
that
was
landed
in
Roxbury
that
was
led
and
dropped
in
Roxbury
by
community
members
that
are
formally
incarcerated
and
directly
impacted,
and
that
not
only
provides
food
justice
for
all,
but
it
also
teaches
out
community
members
how
to
grow
their
own
vegetables,
which
is
something
that
should
have
also
been
mentioned.
R
In
addition,
as
we
operate
with
a
budget
that
is
nothing
compared
to
395
million
dollars,
we
are
yet
today
we
are
debating
increasing
the
budget,
hiring
more
cops
and
allowing
more
overtime
the
same
communities.
These
cops
are
hunting
and
these
are
the
families
that
can't
feed
their
family.
They
also
can't
provide
housing
for
themselves
and
they're.
Just
struggling
the
civilian
flag
of
Herring
was
showed
a
lack
of
respect
and
accountability.
R
A
If
I
can
just
ask
folks,
I
I
understand
the
urge
to
clap,
but
we're
I
I've
been
sort
of
allowing
the
snapping,
but
we're
not
technically
supposed
to
have
those
sound
displays
and
signs
and
stuff
like
that
in
the
chamber.
So
just
asking
folks
not
to
clap,
but
thank
you.
Sashi.
R
However,
this
just
shows
that
we
need
to
shift
from
increasing
the
police
budget
and
we
need
to
start
thinking
about
dignified
income
for
all
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
police
can't
feed
their
family,
because
I
do
believe
that
families
need
to
all
Thrive
and
be
healthy.
But
I
am
saying
again
that
we
also
want
to
be
thriving
and
we
also
want
to
be
healthy,
and
at
the
last
hearing
it
was
said
that
there
are
a
lot
of
city
jobs
that
people
can
be
applying
for
and
and
exploring.
R
However,
those
are
not
query
friendly
jobs,
and
so,
when
you
talk
about
you
know
the
impact
of
incarceration
or
policing.
We
have
to
begin
to
connect
those
dots,
because
just
one
interaction
with
a
police
officer
can
ruin
our
life
forever.
So
supporting
the
civilian
detail,
job
and
Shifting.
The
police
details
to
the
community
members
is
what
we
need
to
be
doing
and
Beyond,
and
we
have
the
budget
to
do
it.
R
C
A
You
Sashi
all
right
so
now
we'll
go
to
counselor
questions
for
The
Advocate
panel
I'm,
going
to
go
first
to
counselor,
Lara
and
and
also
I
will
be
back
in
like.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
again
and
thank
you
for
continuously
showing
up
I.
Think
that
Khalil
hearing
you
specifically
as
a
member
of
the
youth
Justice
Empower
Union,
sharing
your
trajectory
with
why
jpu
and
as
somebody
who
got
her
organizing
start
with
United
youth
and
youth
workers
of
Boston,
when
I
was
15
and
I
sit
as
a
counselor.
Now
at
the
age
of
33
kind
of
continuing
to
have
these
same
conversations,
I
can
attest
to
the
ongoing
nature
of
this
work
and.
B
Adrian
Marie
Brown,
once
very
eloquently
put
it
and
I'm
gonna
absolutely
butcher
it,
but
she
really
talked
about
us
identifying.
What
our
work
here
was
that
it
wasn't
our
job
to
fix
every
problem,
but
it
was
our
job
to
do
what
we
were
put
here
to
do
within
our
time
on
this
Earth
and
then
pass
on
the
Baton
so
that
other
people
might
keep
on
going,
and
so
all
of
our
movement
Elders
all
of
our
civil
rights
leaders.
All
of
the
people
who
fought
for
many
generations.
B
They
were
very
clear
about
what
their
job
here
was
to
do
and
they
left
it
and
passed
it
on
to
us.
So
you
know
we
keep
chugging
along
and
I
hope
that
that
at
least
gives
you
some
some
respite
and
makes
you
feel
hopeful
about
what
you're
able
to
accomplish,
because
you
can't
accomplish
all
of
it.
But
you
are
here
to
do
the
work
that
you're
here
to
do
now
and
you
know
we're
going
to
keep
moving
and
the
people
who
come
after
us
will
keep
moving
as
well.
B
B
It
was
not
our
best
showing
and
I
have
had
many
conversations
with
a
lot
of
people
who
testified
people
who
are
on
the
panel
about
how
you
felt
being
there
and
so
I.
Just
reiterate
again,
as
I
did
in
my
opening
remarks,
that
it
is
not
a
reflection
of
every
single
person
who
not
only
works
in
the
department,
but
it's
definitely
not
a
reflection
of
every
person
in
your
community
and
it's
not
a
reflection
of
everybody
who
sits
on
this
Council
and
so
I'm.
B
B
P
So
I
kind
of
just
wanted
to
know.
Well,
we
wanted
to
know
if,
like
the
contract,
would
add
money
retroactively
to
the
2020
to
2021
and
2021,
to
2022
police
budgets
and
overtime
payments,
and,
if
so,
how
much
and
then
the
current
budget
for
should
I
go
one
at
a
time
or
should.
P
The
current
budget
for
salaries
in
the
police
department,
well
any
other
changes
and
reforms
in
the
contract,
including
redirecting
money
to
the
to
Community
jobs
and
Investments
increase
or
decrease
the
305
million,
and
by
how
much
and
the
current
fiscal
years
police
budget
is
395
million
and
based
on
changes
to
overtime
salaries,
supporting
Community
jobs
and
Investments
and
any
other
changes.
B
You,
okay,
thank
you
and
I
will
put
in
formal
requests
through
the
chair
to
answer
those
questions.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
I?
It
doesn't
have
to
be
specific
information
like
Khalil
shared,
but
just
generally,
what
information
do
we
need
to
make
sure
that
is
made
public
for
you
all
to
be
involved.
O
Yeah
I
can
add
to
that
I.
Think
one
is,
you
know
they
shared
that
civilianizing
overall
is
a
priority
and
I
think
most
of
us
understand
the
security
or
safety
details
and
construction
details
being
in
the
contract,
but
I
am
still
curious
around
like
9-1-1
or
any
other
areas.
That
we
know
are
priority
for
this
mayor
to
civilianize,
I,
think
traffic
overall
and
9-1-1,
or
like
emergency
response
overall,
so
understanding
what
you
know.
O
Besides
the
security
details
and
construction
details,
what
would
have
to
change
in
the
CBA
to
allow
for
civilianizing
I
think
on
overtime?
You
know,
just
any
you
know
documentation,
that's
easy
for
folks
to
understand
of
like
what
are
all
the
ways
that
overtime
Works
between
the
CBA
and
you
know,
section
42
of
the
charter,
and
what
does
that
mean?
Like
Mallory
broke
down
right?
O
They
can
get.
You
know
at
least
four
four
hours.
I
think
this
was
on
on
details,
maybe
at
least
four
hours,
even
if
it's
under
four
hours
and
I
think
that's
the
same
for
showing
up
to
court
having
some
easy
to
understand
breakdown
of
all
of
that
and
then
numbers
I
believe
counselor.
Arroyo
was
talking
about,
you
know
an
audit,
maybe
that
was
from
2015
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
been
any
sort
of
recent
reporting
on.
How
does
this
work?
What
are
the
numbers
right?
O
What
is
this
really
mean
overall
and
then,
like
Cleo
saying
you
know
what
impacts
does
that
have
on
the
budget?
How
is
that
going
to
impact
you
know
retroactively
and
then
going
forward
right,
we're
about
to
get
into
budget
season,
which
you
know,
everyone
knows
how
how
stressful
that
can
be
and
how
I
know
I've
seen
you
all
ask
so
many
questions
every
bedroom
season
about
like
what
will
actually
happen
right
and
over
time
consistently
goes
over.
O
So
really
knowing
how
that's
going
to
work
and
then
just
want
to
add
to
what
you're
saying
about
the
last
hearing
like
if
I
seem
subdued
this
time,
it
is
because
I
am
exhausted
and
that
lasts.
All
of
the
recent
hearing
have
been
just
wild.
You
know
the
construction
details
hearing
was
incredibly
uncomfortable,
I
think
I
was
just
here
on
the
surveillance
hearing
last
week
and
just
a
reminder:
people
are
claiming
I
don't
live
here.
O
I
do
live
here,
I
live
in
Dorchester
I'm
in
D4,
I
think
I'm
still
in
D4
after
redistricting
and
it's
you
know
both
the
display
from
bppa
at
the
construction
details,
hearing
and
then
also
counselors.
You
know
rejecting
Our,
Testimony
or
trying
to
argue
with
Community
testimony,
and
it
is
just
incredibly
exhausting
I
will
say
at
the
construction
details
here
and
you
know:
I
went
during
public
testimony.
O
I
was
waiting
at
least
20
minutes,
while
somebody
was
going
on
and
on
and
I
went
up
there
to
wait
and
a
Community
member
who
I,
don't
even
know,
came
up
to
me
and
said
boy
I
feel
like
I'm
in
a
clan
meeting
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
that
is
how
folks
felt
and
we
were
being
yelled
at
from
folks
saying.
Why
don't
you
feel
safe
from
us
right
and
that's
how
we
felt
just
in
that
room.
O
We
had
young
people
there
who
were
ready
to
testify
and
they
were
still
there
and
no
longer
felt
comfortable
getting
up
in
front
of
the
mic
and
I
hope
today
that
those
folks
do
feel
comfortable
sharing
with
you.
But
that's
so
much
of
what
we
do
is
we
come
here
representing
our
folks
who
don't
feel
safe
and
who
are
working
jobs
or
who
are
in
school
and
can't
make
it
here
at
2PM
on
a
Thursday.
O
B
Thank
you
now,
I've
heard
two
of
you
reference
retroactive
pay
now
twice.
Is
there
a
specific
instance
of
when
I'm,
assuming
that
there's
a
reason
why
you're
asking
about
retractive
pay,
and
so
is
there
a
specific
example
that
you're
referencing
when
you're
talking
about
the
city,
paying
retroactive,
pay
and
Police
contract.
O
I
think
it's
just.
We
know
that
this
contract
will
be
almost
entirely
retroactive
by
the
time
it
goes
into
place
and
so
I
believe,
there's
like
a
pot
of
money.
That's
set
aside
in
the
budget
to
help
with
that
retroactive
pay
and
then
obviously,
what's
set
in
this
in
this
CBA
then
impacts
the
future
budget
as
well,
so
really
understanding
both
like.
What's
the
retroactive
pay
that
gets
added
and
then
what
does
that
mean
for
the
future
budget.
P
They've
actually
done
it
a
couple
times,
though,
like
in
2013
I,
know
that
I
know
that
city
council
added
16
and
a
half
million,
and
then
in
2017
it
was
7.7
million
retroactively
added
after
so
there's
a
history
of
this.
Q
Thought
flashing
meant
press
it
aggressively.
No,
no,
it
didn't
it's
yeah.
You
know
we
did.
We
did
a
lot.
Over
the
past
few
years
we
had
women's
group
meetings
to
talk
about
our
vision
and
created
The
People's
budget
out
of
that
which
I
think
was
really
a
route
and
a
driver
for
the
participatory
budgeting
process
that
happened
in
the
yes
on
one
campaign.
Q
I
think
that
supporting
people
to
do
that
and
breaking
it
down,
like
fatsa
Fatima
said,
is
like
super
necessary,
because
it's
a
huge
lift
I
also
feel,
like
somebody
had
said
it
earlier.
Where
you
know,
community
members
are
coming
with
clear
demands
and
like
and
needs
and
I.
Don't
always
think
the
burden
should
be
on
the
people
to
do
everything.
Q
So,
just
as
a
both
end
like,
how
can
we
create
resources
for
people
to
break
down
and
to
get
into
whatever
policy
that
they
want
to
to
feel
empowered
to
contribute,
and
also
how
do
we
receive?
You
know
how
do
our
electives
receive
demands
and
then
and
then
share
back
with
the
community
right?
Here's
our
plan
for
implementation,
so
I
really
appreciate
this
as
a
step
toward
that.
For
sure
the
other
thing
I
would
say,
is
through
the
past
couple
years.
Q
When
we've
been
talking
about
this
and
countless
hearings
about
you
know
what
what
can
we
ever
see,
what
the
minimum
Staffing
requirement?
Actual
formula
is
like
how
are
people,
how
are,
how
is
BPD,
making
decisions
about
dispatch?
How
is
that
dictated
by
the
contract?
People
have
those
questions,
because
community
members
are
asking
like
why,
when
my
brother
is
being
transported
to
the
hospital
or
for
a
heart
attack,
is
there
a
BPD
officer
showing
up
right?
Why
is
why?
Q
What
makes
it
possible
for
communities
to
have
the
space
and
the
breathing
room
to
deal
with
crisis
and
harm
in
a
different
way
without
cops
being
deployed
so
I?
Think
community
members
have
questions
about
how
the
city
can
control
dispatch
and
deployment,
as
well
as
just
the
level
of
force.
That's
constantly
patrolling
communities
and
like
what
the
interaction
is
with
the
contract.
For
that,
so,
hopefully,
that's
clear
enough.
C
Great,
thank
you
counselor
Lara,
president
Flynn.
Do
you
want.
C
Okay,
I
recognize
president
Flynn.
F
Can
we
just
thank
you?
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
panel
for
being
here.
I'm
not
going
to
ask
questions
to
the
panel
I.
Just
think.
It's
inappropriate
for
me,
as
as
the
city
council
president
to
be
engaged
in
a
Union
contract
with
the
city,
a
city
Union
in
the
city
Administration
in
in
having
the
public
in
various
sides,
participate.
F
I,
think
the
police
play
a
critical
role
in
our
city
and,
as
I
highlighted,
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
in
the
city
of
Boston.
Our
city
continues
to
grow
population
wise
and
we're
not
making
the
necessary
resources
in
adding
police
offices.
It's
having
an
impact
on
Public
Safety.
We
use
the
word
an
uptick
in
crime,
but
there
is
an
increase
in
crime
and
as
a
district,
City
councilor,
it's
our
job
to
add,
advocate
for
resources
in
our
district
when
something
goes
wrong
in
a
district,
Public,
Safety,
wise
or
or
other.
F
You
blame
two
people
in
your
right
to
blame
two
people.
You
blame
the
mayor
and
you
blame
the
district
City
Council.
That's
that's
what
you
do
and
that's
that's
the
appropriate
thing
to
do
in
District
Two.
If
something
happens
in
my
neighborhood
in
my
district
I'm
responsible
for
that
I'm
responsible
for
that
that
crime
I
should
have
been
doing
more,
advocating
for
more
resources
for
my
constituents
when
I
go
to
a
neighborhood
meeting
in
my
district,
which
I
do
practically
every
night
of
the
week
residents.
F
F
F
I
need
to
do
more,
but
the
police
but
the,
but
the
residents
expect
a
presence
in
the
city
for
Public
Safety,
the
Boston
police
do
an
exceptional
job
in
our
neighborhoods.
F
F
C
A
Just
want
to
say
that
this
hearing
has
actually
been
running
for
less
than
three
hours
because
it
started
45
minutes
late,
because
the
prior
hearing
ran
long
I
I
do
apologize
to
everyone
waiting
for
public
testimony
for
the
fact
that
that's
the
case,
but
I
I
just
want
to
be
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
That
I
think
this
hearing
actually
is
quite
common
for
us
to
not
yet
be
a
public
testimony
by
the
three
by
the
three
hour
mark
and
we're
not
at
the
three
hour
mark.
Yet
thank
you.
L
Just
have
a
question
if-
and
this
can
come
after
the
meeting,
but
if
you
could
clarify
the
comments
about
retropay,
because
I
know
in
the
last
panel
myself
and
counselor
Baker
were
talking
about
how
personally,
as
you
know,
I
always
got
retropay
when
my
BTU
contract
finally
was
signed
and
ratified,
because
it
was
always
years
late,
and
we
know
that
retropay
is
hours
that
have
already
been
worked
and
decided
upon
so
wondering
just
where
the
questions
about
the
retropay
in
that
money
coming
from.
That
would
be
helpful.
A
Yet
so
well,
I
can
just
I
can
just
answer
say
yeah,
so
any
any
collective
bargaining
agreement
that
applies
to
a
period
that's
already,
partly
or
wholly
passed
by
the
time
the
city
reaches.
It
does
involve
Awards
of
retroactive
pay,
because
what
it's
doing,
if
if
it
is
increasing
the
pay
rates,
if
what
it's
doing
is
increasing
the
amount
that
people
would
have
earned
right.
So
when
that's
and
and
so
yeah
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
I'm.
A
L
L
P
Yeah,
so
it's
the
biggest
budget
in
like
the
whole
budget,
so
we
don't
want
that
retroactive
pay,
because
you
know
that
money
could
be
going
to
some
of
the
other
things
we've
been
talking
about.
Like
you
know,
youth
jobs,
affordable
housing,
you
know,
but.
L
I
just
want
to
know
about
that.
We
pay
myself
I
had
already
put
in
three
years
working
as
a
teacher.
They
finally
ratified
the
contract
and
if
there
were
pay
increases
or
any
adjustments
to
my
pay,
it's
work
already
done
so
would
be
against
the
law
not
to
pay
people
for
work.
They
already
did
looking
at.
Q
L
U
L
As
an
educator
I'm
very
aware
of
that,
it's
the
union
that
I
was
a
member
of
for
over
20
years,
there's
many
unions
in
the
city
that
I
am
well
aware
of
not
making
parallels
to
their
jobs
at
all.
Okay
trust
me:
my
job
was
nothing
like
a
police
officer.
As
a
teacher,
absolutely
not
I
mean
I've
worked
180
school
days,
it's
very
different
contract,
very
different
contract
teaching
and
policing.
N
Thank
you,
Madam,
chair
I,
just
for
the
record
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
Sashi.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
call.
Your
was
it
a
wellness
check
or
courtesy
call
to
check
up
on
us
after
the
virtual
from
the
police,
patrolman's
social
media
and
I.
Think
there
was
another
one
turtle
boy
and
a
bunch
of
other
people
and
I
don't
want
to
use
this
platform
to
amplify
them
in
any
way.
N
But
there
is
a
lot
of
virtual
coming
from
the
police,
patrolman's
social
media
I,
don't
know
who
controls
that,
but
absolutely
not.
Okay,
so
I.
Thank
you
for
calling
and
checking
on
me,
and
just
so.
You
all
know
when
I,
when,
if
my
tone
same
lackadaisical
in
any
way,
no
I'm
not
over
it
and
no
matter
how
tired
I
get
this
is
the
grind
right,
so
I
would
I.
Thank
you.
N
Fatima
brother
Khalil
shout
out
to
you
and
shout
out
to
Mallory
for
all
of
you
all
The
Advocates
and
all
the
young
people
sitting
here
in
the
audience,
for
your
work,
for
your
resiliency,
for
your
stamina
and
for
your
courage
to
be
able
to
stand
up
in
the
face
of
adversity
and
be
able
to
revolutionize
the
change
and
power
to
all
the
people,
and
we
continue
to
do
that
and
I
am
absolutely
proud
of
you
and
proud
to
stand
here
and
work
with
you
as
the
chair
of
ways
and
means.
N
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
start
having
practical
conversations
early
on
about
how
to
actually
create
this.
These
changes
and
and
I've
said
it
before.
Although
these
changes
are
going
to
be
scary
for
some
people,
you
see
that
even
the
politicians
they
themselves
have
to
leverage
their
position
for
their
advancement
or
self-preservation,
the
fear
of
losing
their
livelihood
in
terms
of
votes
and
who
endorses
them
or
who
coddles
their
policies
or
their
bank
accounts.
N
And
their
campaigns,
of
course,
is
a
very
real
here
and
so
I'm
I'm
saying
to
you
no
matter
what
I
will
work
with
my
colleagues,
irrespective
of
their
opinions
or
how
they
work.
Everything
is
a
conversation.
I
will
always
sit
with
anyone,
whether
it
be
the
naysayers,
a
clan
member
I,
don't
care
who
it
is.
I
will
always
work
with
you
and
have
that
conversation
with
you.
N
The
reason
why
I'm
going
on
and
on
about
this
is
to
be
very
clear
that
we,
as
human
beings
in
the
city
of
Boston,
are
creating
a
change
and
you
voted
Us
in
to
do
a
job,
and
here
we
are,
as
you
say,
that
your
Advocates
and
your
absolutely
tired
of
being
sick
and
tired
and
you'll
hear-
and
you
continue
to
shout
out-
and
you
say,
mayor
Wu.
This
is
what
we
asked.
N
N
The
f
word,
but
today,
out
of
respect
for
anyone
who
gets
offended,
I
will
not
use
any
cuss
words
I'm
just
here
to
say
that
I'm,
absolutely
Overjoyed
with
emotions,
I
think
it's
the
beginning
of
a
true
transformation
I.
Thank
you.
The
for
the
sponsors
of
this
hearing,
counselor
Council,
Arroyo
I.
Think
you
a
counselor
president
Flynn
and
Council
Murphy
for
your
positions,
because
I
think
that
again
conflict
presents
an
opportunity
for
change
and
I
love
hearing
it.
So,
let's
sit
down
again
one
more
year:
let's
go.
N
We
got
work
to
do
and
in
the
budget
I
look
forward
to
all
of
your
suggestions
and
no,
it
is
not
the
responsibility
of
The
Advocates
or
the
burden
on
you
to
fix
this
problem,
but
it
is
for
us
to
consolidate
and
come
together
and
do
this
work,
I
and
God
willing
that
he
may
protect
us
our
tongue,
our
hearts,
and
he
could
keep
us
courageous
to
continue
to
face
this
thing
and
revolutionize
and
do
everything
that
we
must
to
save
the
lives
of
our
black
and
brown
people.
N
A
You
Tommy
thank
you.
Council
Fernandez,
Anderson
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
whole
panel.
I,
don't
have
extensive
questions
and
I'm
very
mindful
of
the
large
number
of
public
testifiers
we've
got.
The
one
question
I
just
had
was
about
to
me:
I
think
I
slightly
missed
when
you
were
sort
of
summarizing.
The
three
points.
I
got
the
the
point
about
civilian
details,
the
point
about
cutting
overtime
overall
and
then
there
was
a
third
and
I
think
I
lost
the
threat
of
the.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
and,
and
yeah
I
do
think.
Just
mindful
of
I've
got
a
I've
got
a
list
of
30
people
here
in
person
and
another
couple
online,
so
I
do
want
to
I.
Do
want
to
get
to
everybody,
if
that's
all
right
with
you
all
so
I'm
gonna.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
and
we'll
start
taking
public
testimony
to
any
of
my
colleagues,
something
that
you
just
want
to
say
before.
I
will
do
opening
statement.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
No
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
showing
up
yet
again
and
making
sure
that
you're
sharing
with
us
what
you're
hearing
from
Community,
who
like
Fatima,
said
can't
be
here,
won't
because
of
how
they
feel
about
the
space
or
because
of
you
know
how
inaccessible
city
hall
or
these
hearings
feel
to
them.
So
I'm,
really
just
grateful
and
I
appreciate
you
and
I
am
looking
forward
to
hearing
a
public
comment.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Lara,
thank
you
to
all
my
colleagues
and
if
you
guys
want
to
take
a
seat,
I'll
I'll
start
calling
Folks
up
to.
F
Flynn,
just
just
asking
a
procedural
question:
when
will
the
patrolmen
Association
staff
be
able
to
testify
so.
A
The
patrolman
Association
staff
I,
think,
is
also
signed
up
in
public
testimonies,
so
I
will
be
calling
on
them
and
president
Flynn
I
I'll
I'll
be
honest.
That
I'm
filled
with
hesitation,
because
the
last
time
that
I
gave
the
patrolmen
Association
represented
the
mic,
in
which
case
I
actually
gave
it
to
him
first
and
amongst
public
testimony
and
allowed
it
to
go
on
longer
than
the
rest
of
her
testimony.
A
Because
I'm
mindful
I'm
sensitive
to
the
fact
that,
because
of
the
Contracting
prohibition,
we're
not
able
to
have
them
on
a
panel
going
back
and
forth
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
critical
issue
for
members
of
the
police,
patrolman
Association,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
I
wanted
to
give
them
a
chance
to
speak.
But
what
ended
up
happening
was
that
he
refused
to
seed
the
floor
and,
unlike
in
City
Hall
at
the
bowling
building,
we
weren't
we
aren't
able
to
cut
the
mics
and.
V
A
Ultimately
had
to
recess
the
hearing,
because
I
wasn't
able
to
continue
to
chair
the
meeting
as
I
need
to
as
a
counselor,
and
so
you
know
again,
as
I
said,
I
actually
tried
to
be
courteous
to
the
patrolmen's
association
instance
recognizing
their,
of
course
major
stake
in
this
discussion.
But
it's
super
important
for
the
Democratic
work
of
the
council
that
the
chairs
ability
to
ask
public
testifiers
to
see
the
floor
as
respected,
and
that
was
violated.
The
last
time
we
had
a
hearing
on
this
topic.
K
W
F
So
Madam
chair,
I,
I
I,
just
asked
a
question:
that's
the
only
I,
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
be
labor
the
point
but
I
I
was
just
asking:
is
the
patrolman
Association
testifying
and
at
what
time
would
there
be
testimony?
That's
I.
Just
was
asking
for
my
own,
for
my
own
knowledge
is,
if
that's
appropriate,
to
ask
yeah.
A
So
I'll
I'll
be
taking
them
in
the
order
of
sign
up
that
I
have
in
front
of
me
so
I
think
so.
They're
they're,
certainly
on
the
first
page
of
the
sign
up
here,
but
I
think
the
quickest
way
to
make
that
happen.
Counselor
Flynn
is
for
me
to
jump
into
public
testimony
and
just
run
through
everybody.
That's
all
right!
R
Oh
police
do
not
solve
Glen
arrests,
they
will
not
solve
maths
and
cast
issues,
and
it's
so
sad
that
you're
not
ready
to
explore
people's
process
and
when
the
definition
of
resource
is
not
police.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
A
All
right,
thank
you
to
the
panelists
all
right,
so
so
we'll
be
going.
Let's
see
the
first
of
the
order.
I'm
just
gonna,
go
by
the
order
that
I've
got
sign
ups,
although
I
will
probably
break
it
after
the
first
page
and
go
to
we've
got
a
couple
of
people
have
been
waiting
patiently
on
Zoom,
so
my
first
five
here
I've
got
Austin
Frizzell,
Malaysia,
fullerstotten,
Fiona,
Phil,
Maya,
Amelia,
and
then
I've
got
Larry
Calderon,
so
Austin
and
folks
both
of
these
mics
work.
A
So
if
people
can
kind
of,
if
you're,
if
you're
the
next
one
up,
if
you
can
go
to
the
opposite
mic
just
so
that
we
can
keep
the
flow
as
quick
as
possible
and
I'll
just
remind
everybody
that
you
know,
ask
everybody
to
testify
and
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes
because,
like
I
said,
I've
got
32
sign
ups
here
and
they
are
lighting,
not
one,
not
two,
but
three
Christmas
trees
in
my
district
tonight
and
I
I
I
mean
I'm
already
gonna
relate
to
that
but
I.
A
This
is
obviously
a
super
important
public
issue.
I
want
to
hear
everybody's
testimony,
but
just
would
would
ask
folks
to
keep
it
to
two
minutes.
Introduce
yourself
say
what
your
affiliation
is.
A
If
you
have
longer
testimony,
we
can
take
it
all
as
written
testimony,
we're
happy
to
do
that
and
yeah
and,
and
you
know,
and
for
the
patrolmen's
like
Association
I'm
gonna
give
them
five
minutes.
I
think
it's
important
that
everybody's
voice
is
heard
in
this
process,
but
if
there's
got
longer
than
five
minutes
again,
I'm
just
gonna
be
really
clear
at
the
start
that
anything
longer
than
that
from
them.
A
I
do
need
to
get
at
the
end
as
written
testimony
just
because
we
we've
got
to
make
sure
everybody
gets
to
be
heard
and
I
was
frustrated
in
the
last
hearing,
so
I'm
going
to
go
first
to
Austin
and
then
it's
Malaysia
Austin.
You
have
the
floor.
Hi.
U
X
Ahead,
hello,
thank
you.
Members
of
the
city
council.
My
name
is
Tatiana
Rodriguez,
a
Boston
native
member
of
FJ
family
suggested
the
ceiling.
Also,
the
founder
of
community,
like
organization
called
Family
Matters
first
family's
matters
mission
is
to
educate,
Advocate
and
support
those
disproportionately
affected
by
the
family,
policing
system,
empowering
them
to
use
their
voice
to
enable
change
and
engage
in
and
direct
legislative
action
like
this
I
am
here
representing
also
my
community
and
residents
of
Lena
Park
in
Dorchester.
X
I
am
aware
the
city
of
Boston
has
renegotiating
the
contract
with
the
Boston
Police,
patrolmen's,
Association
and
other
officer
associations.
My
top
priority
is
removing
the
barriers
and
the
contracts
that
are
preventing
residents
from
work
and
details.
Please
do
everything
necessary,
so
we
can
create
a
civilian
officer
to
employ
hundreds
of
bostonians
with
good
paying
union
jobs,
the
biggest
problem
with
the
current
system
of
contracts
and
cops
to
work,
construction
details
they
already
make
livable
comfortable
wages,
it's
a
monopoly.
No
one
book
cops
have
access
to
making
extra
money
on
top
of
overtime.
X
It's
not
just
a
job,
but
it's
what
the
icing
on
the
case,
while
my
brothers
and
sisters
who
have
played,
who
have
to
play
catch-up,
have
been
denied
access
to
equal
employment
opportunities.
You
want
to
really
fight
mass
incarceration,
which
we
all
know
was
a
war
on
black
people,
give
the
people
access
to
sustainable
living
wages,
so
they
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
streets
just
to
feed
their
families.
X
The
equal
opportunities
in
Boston
when
it
comes
to
Union
jobs
are
very
limited.
If
you
walk
into
the
local
unions,
you
will
see
that,
although
things
have
changed
slowly,
the
people
in
the
leadership
roles
are
all
white
men.
Then
then
what
happens?
Their
children
inherit
those
Union
opportunities.
So
there's
no
equal
opportunity,
especially
now
that
affirmative
actions
it's
going
to
be
overturned.
We
can
benefit
by
having
a
decent,
decent
livable
wage
stay
in
Boston
and
work
a
normal
full-time
job
without
having
to
work
two
to
three
jobs,
just
to
survive
again.
X
What
would
make
me
feel
safer
when
crossing
the
street
that
if
we
had
trained
civilians,
that
looked
like
me
live
and
care
about
my
community
and
that
only
job
is
to
Simply
keep
the
construction
site
safe
and
not
tired
from
working
overtime.
The
night
before
also
Bad
actors
would
be
held
accountable,
not
have
immunity
like
police.
Do
the
Police.
Association
contracts
are
policy
documents
that
impact
community
members
daily
lives.
Now
is
the
time
for
change,
so
we
can
create
more
abundance
and
well-being
for
residents
and
families
in
Boston
who
need
it
most.
X
Y
Okay,
I'm
Fiona,
but
we're
switching
because
I
have
to
go
ahead
so
earlier
this
week
on
a
conversation
about
prevalence
of
guns
amongst
kids
and
teenagers
being
concerning
to
City
officials
and
citizens
in
Boston,
quote,
especially
when
we
talk
about
the
impact
of
covid
or
our
young
people
are
at
it
at
a
time
in
their
lives
when
they're,
the
most
emotional
and
volatile,
they
could
be
at
the
same
time,
there's
a
lack
of
resources
to
give
them
the
direction
and
structure
that
might
keep
them
out
of
Harm's
Way.
Y
Going
on
to
say
that
this
is
a
complication,
complicated
issue
and
not
something
police
can
handle
on
our
own
quote:
Police
Commissioner
current
police,
commissioner
of
the
Boston
Police
Department,
Michael
Cox.
So
this
is
just
another
testimony
to
understanding
the
current
violence
in
Boston
is
not
going
away
with
more
police.
We
keep
talking
about.
Safety
is
not
going
to
come
with
more
police.
Y
I
work
at
teen
empowerment
and
have
also
been
a
community
organizer
since
I
was
15
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
it's
actually
ridiculous.
We've
been
asking
for
the
same
things
over
and
over
and
over
I'm
23
now
and
I
work
with
young
people
14
to
21,
who
are
dealing
with
violence
in
the
community.
Houselessness
domestic
abuse,
you
name
it
they're,
dealing
with
it
right
now,
and
the
answer
is
not.
Y
It
really
is
not
more
police,
more
funding
to
the
police
and
specifically
like
we
need
to
actually
defund
and
reallocate
where
this
money
is
going
making
sure
it
goes
to
youth
jobs,
You
Youth
Opportunity,
because
this
is
what's
going
to
redirect
and
Aid
our
community
members,
not
adding
more
funds
to
a
structure
that
was
originally
created
here
in
Boston
to
catch
slaves.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Fiona
Malaysia,
then
Maya.
C
Then
Larry
then
Armand
Coleman
Malaysia.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Malaysia
Fuller
Stayton
I'm,
a
community
organizer
for
the
Boston
cyclist
Union
in
a
lifelong
resident
of
Roxbury
I'll
quickly
mention
what
I
have
to
say
and
then
I'll
also
be
reading
somebody
else's
testimony,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
for
me
it's
super
important
that
you
know
we
start
looking
towards
actual
Solutions
when
it
comes
to
the
issues
that
we
speak
about
in
our
society,
whether
that's
crime,
homelessness,
drug
abuse,
and
we
have
we
know
from
experience
because
we've
been
doing
the
same
thing
for
the
however
long
at
least
50
years.
Z
We
know
from
experience
that
having
more
police
doesn't
work
every
year
we
have
more
police
every
year
we
still
have
crime.
But
beyond
that,
I
want
to
say
in
my
position
as
a
community
organizer
for
the
cyclist
Union
we
actually
had
over
70
of
our
members
send
emails
to
some
of
your
offices
as
well
as
to
the
mayor,
encouraging
folks
to
you
know
to
to
what's
it
called
two
to
to
be
open
to
amending
the
contract.
So
we
can,
you
know,
change
what
Public
Safety
looks
like
in
this
city.
Z
But
that's
that's
my
time
and
I'll
say
on
behalf
of
nosika
Verdu
hi.
My
name
is
nosika
Verdu
I
am
19
I'm,
19
years
old
and
I'm
from
Hyde
Park.
Something
we
need
to
recognize
is
that
police
officers
come
here
all
the
time
and
talk
about
their
mental
and
mental
health
and
physical
capacity,
and
they
claim
that
more
money
and
officers
is
the
solution.
That
is
not
a
solution
that
is
mopping
the
ocean.
Z
A
solution
is
officers
realizing
they
do
not
and
should
not
have
to
do
every
job
under
the
sun.
And
if
you
could
open
your
eyes,
you
would
realize
that
officers
are
hoarding
jobs,
that
other
people
in
the
community
can
do
the
construction.
Detailed
jobs
are
jobs
that
do
not
need
to
be
given
to
Cops.
Anyone
who
knows
how
to
cross
the
street
can
learn
how
to
direct
traffic.
Z
We
want
the
community
to
have
money
for
construction
details
so
that
they
can
get
the
trainings
and
be
ready
for
the
job,
because
you
don't
need
a
gun
or
a
badge
to
direct
traffic.
We
need
to
stop
believing
that
cops
are
superheroes.
They
are
humans
in
a
uniform.
They
can't
do
everything
so
hiring
more
of
them
is
not
fixing
the
issue
of
mental
health
or
physical
capacity.
It's
just
increasing
the
budget.
Z
We
need
to
cut
the
police
budget
and
invest
the
money
into
people
in
our
community,
so
they
can
feel
like
they
can
survive
in
Boston
without
having
to
do
illegal
things
to
make
ends
meet.
We
also
need
to
put
a
cap
on
over
time,
because
there's
no
reason
why
BPD
consistently
goes
over
their
budget
every
year.
There
are
two
reasons
why
this
continues
to
happen.
One
is
that
someone
is
not
doing
the
math
right
and
two
is
that
the
police
officers
are
finding
loopholes
which
continue
to
dip
into
the
overtime
fund.
Z
That's
why
it
continues
to
exceed
them
out
every
year.
Instead,
I
demand
a
cap
on
overtime,
because
I
know
that
the
police
officers
can
make
end
to
meet
with
the
money
that
they
have.
They
are
abusing
the
system
to
make
more
money,
and
that
is
not
okay,
too
many
sections
of
our
budget
are
actually
underfunded.
That
would
Thrive
with
more
money.
Z
Z
Why
must
you
get
paid
to
to
know
the
people
that
you
claim
to
be
protecting
and
serving
I
plead
with
the
city
council
is
to
realize
that
the
reason
they
have
their
seat
is
because
they
ran
on
campaigns
to
better
citizens,
better
their
Citizens
Community,
and
now
that
Community
is
telling
you
that
we
need
better.
We
deserve
better,
stop
listening
to
the
cops,
listen
to
the
people
who
gave
you
the
position
that
you
currently
hold.
We
are
demanding
you
make
change,
it's
the
job
of
your
people
in
your
seats
to
do
that.
A
Thank
you
Malaysia
and
tanosika
next
UPS
Maya.
Then
it
will
be.
C
Larry
then
Armand,
then
JD
and
then
Jarrell
Maya
can't.
V
Have
the
floor:
hi
I'm,
Maya
I'm,
a
resident
of
JP
and
I've
been
a
Boston
area
resident
for
close
to
15
years,
I'm,
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker
practicing
in
the
Boston
area
and
a
steering
committee
member
of
Boston
Liberation
Health,
which
is
a
group
of
mental
health
providers
and
service
users
working
to
change
the
institutional
and
societal
factors
that
negatively
impact
mental
health.
V
So,
as
a
steering
committee,
member
of
Liberation
health
I'm
here
to
submit
testimony
along
with
many
others
calling
on
mayor
Wu
and
the
city
council
to
fight
for
a
police
contract
that
will
lead
to
more
resources
and
funding,
particularly
for
black
and
brown
neighborhoods
that
have
been
under-resourced
and
overpoliced
for
years,
specifically
to
again
uplift.
The
priorities
of
including
decreasing
the
police
budget
to
invest
more
in
black
and
brown
communities,
cutting
and
capping
overtime
and
ending
the
Monopoly
that
the
BPD
has
on
working
details.
V
So
in
regards,
in
particular
to
decreasing
the
BBD
budget
and
investing
more
in
community
as
a
mental
health
worker
and
also
as
a
community
member
who
has
friends
and
loved
ones
incarcerated
in
the
Massachusetts
doc.
I've
become
well
aware
of
both
the
continued
underinvestment
in
mental
health
resources
and
infrastructure
and
the
direct
harms
of
policing
that
cause
and
or
exacerbate
mental
health
challenges,
especially
causing
or
exacerbating
trauma
and
PTSD
in
black
and
brown
communities.
V
The
statement
the
previous
statement
from
president
for
Flynn,
that
quote,
resources
are
stretched
thin
for
the
BPD
frankly
seems
Far
From
Reality,
especially
compared
to
how
Mental
Health,
Services
and
so
many
other
community
services
are
actually
underfunded,
so
I'm
urging
that
funding
be
shifted
out
of
the
bpdudget
and
not
moved
around
within
it
and
instead
invested
in
Community
Resources
such
as
Mental
Health
crisis
response
that
does
not
involve
the
police,
civilian
Flagger
jobs
for
details
and
other
solutions
that
actually
work
and
support.
Community
members,
mental
health
and
physical
health
instead
of
cause
harm.
A
Thank
you,
Maya
Mr,
Larry
Calderon,
president
of
the
bppa.
Then
it
will
be
Armand,
JD,
Jarrell
and
then
Brittany
Mr
Calderon
you
of
the
floor.
W
Thank
you.
This
docket
order
states
that
it's
being
held
to
discuss
the
patrolmen's
association
contract
timeline.
It's
interesting
because
I'm
Larry
Calderon
I'm,
the
president
of
the
patrolmen's
association,
as
you
know,
and
I've,
been
negotiating
the
contract
for
this
for
the
Department
over
the
last
two
years
with
three
different
mayors,
however,
I
haven't
been
invited
as
a
panelist
to
this
meeting
today
or
the
one
in
the
past.
It's
not
an
oversight
or
a
mistake.
It's
not
against
the
bargaining
laws.
W
W
You
don't
want
the
police
in
the
public.
You
want
to
retaliate
against
us.
You
want
to
replace
us,
regardless
of
who
you
hurt
in
society,
because
that's
what
you're
about
you
want
to
talk
BPA
contracts,
let's
start
with
facts,
Fact
one!
The
council
themselves
just
penned
a
20
percent
raise
not
by
working
harder,
not
by
putting
in
more
hours
but
by
using
their
position
of
authority
to
change
the
law
and
give
themselves
more
money,
some
of
them
in
Year
One.
W
In
contrast,
police
officers
work
double
and
triple
shifts
because
we're
so
so
short
on
Manpower
and
we
do
hour
for
hourly
wages,
interesting
the
Dynamics
more
facts.
Commissioner
Cox
recently
stated,
like
some
of
you,
have
quoted.
Visibility
of
police
officers
deters
crime,
community,
policing,
Works
folks,
more
offices
visible
in
your
neighborhood
work,
like
city
council,
is
in
this
room
or
some
that
choose
to
be
vacant
continually
ask
of
the
department.
W
Council
of
Laura
disagrees
with
commissioner
Cox's
position
on
Public
Safety
details
and
plans
to
take
them
away.
She
wants
to
take
cops
off
the
street
and
put
them
out
of
uniform.
She
knows
this
was
that
this
will
increase
crime,
but
she
doesn't
care
disdain
for
police
officers
has
blinded
her
when
it
comes
to
protecting
constituents
of
the
city
of
Boston
councilor
Flynn.
Has
it
correct?
We
need
to
hire
hundreds
more
police
officers,
more
facts.
W
Boston
police
officers
could
not
and
did
not
work
from
home
remotely
during
covet
19.,
while
other
employees,
including
counselors,
isolated
at
home.
We
were
forced
to
expose
ourselves
and
our
families
to
the
virus
daily
to
make
the
citizens
of
Boston
safe,
and
we
made
it
through
the
pandemic
together.
W
Here's
the
real
truth
folks,
the
city
of
Boston,
is
one
of
the
safest
cities
in
America.
Why?
Because
of
the
members
of
the
Boston
Police
patrolmen's
Association
the
hard
work
they
do
day
and
night,
keeping
you
in
the
citizens
of
Boston
and
our
neighborhood
safe.
Are
we
perfect?
No,
we
are
not.
No
one
is
perfect.
However.
W
We
strive
for
perfection
in
professionalism
every
day
of
the
week,
just
like
I
assume
you
do
in
your
professions.
Yet
here
we
are
once
again
going
into
our
third
year
without
a
contract.
Zero
pay
raises
zero
rest
and
relaxation
with
our
families
and
zero.
Thanks
from
some
of
our
elected
officials,
we
deserve
a
fair
contract,
better
mental
health
benefits
and
better
wages.
W
At
a
time
of
eight
percent,
National
inflation,
skyrocketing
housing
costs
and
rental
prices
in
Boston.
Now
is
the
time
to
thank
and
reward
your
Boston
police
officers,
not
harass,
not
shame
them
and
not
try
to
keep
them
quiet
for
those
of
you
that
are
in
the
room
that
I
might
have
offended
at
the
last
hearing.
I
went
over
the
time
because
my
members
deserve
to
be
heard
and
if
I
was
your
representative
I'm
sure
you
would
want
the
same
so
I'll
give
that
to
you.
W
In
a
public
statement,
Council
I
appreciate
the
time
Council
of
Flynn
councilman,
Murphy
I,
appreciate
you
staying
and
listening,
unlike
some
other
counselors,
who
want
to
show
up
late,
pretend
that
they're
involved
in
the
community
and
then
tell
me
how
scared
they
are
and
they
leave.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Calderon
count.
Next
up
is
Armand,
then
JD,
then
Jarrell,
then
Brittany
and
then
Vlad.
C
AA
Good
evening
my
name
is
Armand
Coleman
I'm,
a
resident
of
Roxbury
and
a
homeowner
I'm.
Also
here
at
the
capacity
of
director
of
an
organization
called
the
transformational
prison
project
where
we
take
people
who
are
formally
incarcerated
and
we
put
them
in
employment
positions
and
they're
allowed
to
actually
add
on
to
their
communities
and
bring
him
into
their
communities.
I
would
like
to
say
a
few
numbers
about
the
people
that
we
employ
this
year.
AA
We
employ
12
different
12
people,
10
of
them
are
formally
incarcerated
and
we've
contracted
five
people
to
whom
of
whom
are
formerly
incarcerated,
and
we
believe
that
our
efforts
are
the
biggest
Public
Safety
that
we
could
provide
to
the
Commonwealth
and
I
say
that,
because
the
people
that
we
employ
or
people
who
are
conceived
as
the
most
encouraging
one
courageable
ones
in
the
in
the
Commonwealth,
including
myself,
I
served
28
years
in
prison.
AA
I
created
this
organization,
along
with
eight
other
individuals
in
prison,
most
of
whom
are
incarcerated
for
fatal
crimes,
most
of
whom
are
gang
leaders.
And
now
these
same
individuals
are
in
society
and
they're
actually
are
doing
great
work
and
are
the
records
of
the
program
as
well
as
in
other
capacities.
AA
So
I
just
say
that
I'm
here
to
testify
to
the
fact
that
myself,
as
well
as
my
team,
as
well
as
the
people
that
work
with
me
that
having
these
type
of
jobs
that
could
afford
your
livable
wage
is
basically
the
best
public
safety
thing
you
could
do
for
the
Commonwealth.
The
man
before
me
testified
about
Boston,
one
of
the
safest
cities
in
America,
I
kind
of
agree,
but
I
also
give
homage
to
the
people
who
are
inside
doing
a
transformative
work
of
restorative
justice.
AA
A
Thank
you
Armand,
so
JD
Jarrell,
Brittany
blood,
then
I'll
be
Nakia,
Jean,
Charles
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
two
folks
who
are
online
just
so
that
we
also
get
some
equity
for
the
virtual
folks.
So
JD
you're
the
floor.
Hi.
AB
AB
AC
A
Murray
online,
so
it's
really
of
the
floor.
Yeah.
AD
Thank
you
how
you
doing
how's
everybody
I,
think
I'm
just
a
little
bit
overwhelmed
by
the
whole
process.
You
know
this
is,
and
first
I
want
to
thank
the
The
Bravery
of
certain
city
council
members
for
having
this
today.
I
want
to
Big
up
everybody
that
came
today
right
who's
still
here
and
if
you
look
behind
me,
these
are
actual
people
from
the
community
right,
so
I'm,
just
like
a
little
frustrated,
because
obviously
this
is
not
the
first
you
know
hearing
we
had
about
this.
This
is
not
I've
been
on.
AD
Zoom
calls
with
the
same
people
and
for
some
reason
it's
kind
of
like
we're
talking
to
a
wall
right.
Every
hearing
you
have
community
members
here
right,
young
old,
formerly
incarcerated
and
formally
incarcerated.
Myself
I
have
about
four
brothers,
two
sisters,
all
impacted
by
the
criminal
punishment
system.
I
had
a
friend
of
my
dear
friend
of
mine,
who
was
killed
by
a
police
officer
unarmed,
with
his
hands
up
in
the
air,
all
right,
Burrell,
Ramsay,
white
right.
AD
So
all
of
these
things
were
talking
about
in
the
contract,
affects
these
people
here
all
right
that
at
first
Fiasco
of
a
meeting
last
whatever
three
weeks
ago,
there
were
mostly
officers
in
there
right
now,
I'm,
not
saying
that
police
officers
can't
live
in
our
community,
but
it
it's
it's.
It
pains
my
heart
to
hear
certain
city
council
members,
one
say
certain
things
then
leave
right
then
come
back
and
then
always
talk
about
the
same
thing.
We
need
more
police
officers.
AD
You
are
not
listening
to
the
people
behind
me
all
right,
like
I,
said
before
jobs,
adequate
living
will
solve
most
of
your
issues,
all
right,
Molina
and
Cass.
They
need
help
all
right.
They
don't
need
to
be
locked
up,
young
people,
they
need
programming
and
they
need
jobs.
All
right,
I
got
two
I
got
two
Sons
20
months,
I
got
a
15
year
old,
who
goes
to
Concord
High
right
officers
are
not
the
only
ones
who
are
trying
to
do
good
for
their
families.
All
right,
I've
been
busting.
AD
My
ass
since
I've
been
home
right
and
adequate
living
and
adequate
jobs.
Right,
like
the
brother
before
me
just
said,
we'll
alleviate
most
of
the
crime,
all
right,
you're
talking
about
individual,
yes,
I
had
my
one
part
of
my
life
was
in
the
streets.
All
right
got
locked
up,
I
did
10
years
and
I'm
still
connected
to
those
certain
individuals
that
you
see
on
the
news
right
and
most
of
the
time,
it's
because
of
poverty
issues
all
right,
that's
the
whole!
AD
So
now,
when,
when
people
like
certain
city
council
members,
don't
want
to
listen
to
that
or
pay
heat
to
that,
and
if
you
notice
Larry
just
dipped
off
somewhere,
he
don't
even
want
to
hit
it
with
community
members
right.
They
are
not
trying
to
hear
it.
So
so
when
we
have
these
hearings
they're
talking
about
oh
it's
more
transparency
and
I
agree
that
the
contract
needs
to
be
more
transparent
right,
but
how
much
more
transparent?
Can
it
be
all
right?
AD
It's
plain
to
see
that
certain
city
council
members
are
not
going
to
listen
to
the
community.
It's
plain
to
see
that
officers
are
in
charge
are
not
going
to
listen
to
the
community
right.
So
now
it's!
What
is
the
next
step?
What
is
the
next
step
of
real
accountability
right?
If
you
want
to
see
things
change
in
the
city
right
and
we're
talking
about
the
worst
of
the
worst
yeah?
We'll
talk
talk
about
murders,
we're
talking
about
guns,
we're
talking
about
the
worst
of
the
worst
of
transgressions.
AD
A
AE
My
best,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
my
name
is
Brittany
White
I'm,
the
visiting
practitioner,
residence
between
Harvard
law,
schools,
institutes
and
EMS
incarceration,
and
the
Radcliffe
Institute
for
advanced
studies,
I'm
also
the
decarceration
director
for
faith-based
organization
by
the
name
of
live
free
that
focuses
on
reducing
Urban
gun
violence
with
dignity
and
decarceration
strategies,
but,
most
importantly,
I'm
a
formerly
incarcerated
black
woman.
AE
Is
that
I
see
a
diverse
group
in
representation
reflecting
the
community
but
I
see
a
lack
of
diversity
for
some
reason
and
representation
of
law
enforcement,
and
then
we're
talking
Public
Safety,
but
I
haven't
heard
a
lot
about
public
health
and
public
Wellness
I
I
could
tell
you
I
feel
safest
when
my
socioeconomical
needs
are
being
met,
because
we
know
that
the
trajectory
to
incarceration
is
based
off
of
not
meeting
the
needs
and
protecting
children,
and
so
this
whole
process.
This
is
my
first
time
here:
y'all
has
been
exhausted.
AE
I
just
came
over
to
Boston,
so
I
could
go.
Get
me
some
hair
to
get
my
hair
braided
on
Saturday
and
somehow
I've
ended
up
in
the
midst
of
the
city's
business
and
I
found
it
important
to
speak
up
because
I
see
formally
incarcerated
folks
such
as
myself
being
villainized
and
it's
becoming
a
US
versus
them
formally
incarcerated
people
versus
the
police
discussion
as
they
formally
incarcerated.
AE
People
are
not
related
to
the
police,
as
if
we
don't
have
people
who
work
in
these
institutions
and
in
these
systems,
so
I
challenge
the
framework
that
is
being
used
to
approach
this
situation.
The
vantage
point
is
not
about
binary
solution
that
we
either
give
them
what
they
want
or
give
us
what
we
want.
But
it's
a
both
and
also
there
is
an
enormous
amount
of
privilege
being
given
to
the
law,
important
law
enforcement's
perspective
and
holding
them
up
as
the
heroes
and
considering
us.
AE
The
villains
is
probably
why
Massachusetts
has
a
74
percent
population
of
white
people,
but
I
asked
the
city
council.
What
is
the
representation
of
people
of
color
in
your
prisons
and
institutions?
Why
are
we
locking
up
people
at
such
an
alarming
rate?
It's
because
the
policies
that
get
made
in
this
room
do
not
leave
a
pathway
of
redemption
for
people
to
come
home
and
get
access
to
these
jobs.
C
Thank
you,
Brittany
Vlad,
the
Nikia.
A
AF
You
go
over
and
you
go
and
you
see
from
Walker
playground
to
the
Burke
High
School.
These
are
communities
that
are
highly
surveilled
and
over
police
and
keep
in
mind.
We
live
in
a
society
where
there
is
constant
propaganda
of
the
police
being
shown
as
an
entity
of
good
that
is
here
to
protect
and
serve
us
and
to
lock
up
the
bad
guys.
AF
Now,
as
it
shows
the
questions
when
you
take
into
account,
these
kids
are
in
the
playgrounds
and
in
schools
when
they
see
the
police
officers
looking
over
at
them,
checking
into
their
backpacks,
making
sure
that
they
go
through
the
metal
detectors.
What
is
going
in
their
mind
when
they
have
that
message
of
the
propaganda?
If
these
are
the
good
guys,
then
what
does
that
make
us?
Y'all
are
traumatizing.
These
kids
y'all
are
making
them
to
see
when
these
that
these
are
the
bad
guys
in
reality,
y'all
are
the
bad
guys.
AF
This
is
a
tactic
that
is
instilled
fear
and
violence
within
our
communities,
and
it's
constantly
fueled
the
school-to-prison
pipeline.
It
is
dangerous
to
black
and
brown
students
and
as
well
as
undocumented
students
who
live
in
constant
fear
of
being
written
up
for
a
misdemeanor
and
then
having
that
report
sent
over
to
the
police,
which
disrupts
their
entire
way
of
living
and
can
honestly
send
them
to
a
land
that
they
have
little
to
no
memory
of,
and
we've
seen
that
happen
in
this
city.
AF
Before
now,
I
speak
from
my
experience
of
going
through
five
BPS
schools,
all
the
way
from
Fenway
to
Mattapan,
from
Dorchester
to
East
Boston
I
can
honestly
tell
you
wholeheartedly
from
my
experience
in
those
schools,
I
felt
the
most
safe
in
schools
when
there
was
little
to
no
police
presence
there
and
I
come
here
with
the
knowledge
that
a
lot
of
the
community
members
here
share
and
just
side
note
to
the
guy
said
that
they
are
the
public
safety.
No
they're,
not.
We
are
the
public
safety.
We
take
care
of
ourselves.
AF
AF
You
do
protect
and
serve,
but
it's
not
us
y'all
protected
serve
this
very
thing
that
you
have
been
doing
since
you
have
been
established
as
a
slave
Patrol
force
and
a
protection
services
for
merchants
who
distribute
Goods.
You
protect
property
and
you
serve
those
who
own
said
property,
and
we
are
here
to
ask
y'all
to
defund
the
police
and
by
doing
so
is
defund
the
value
that
you
place
on
property
and
to
fund
the
communities,
and
by
doing
so
it
is
funding
your
value
on
us.
C
You
bud
Nikia
and
then
it'll
be
Sarah,
Dylan
and
Emery.
AG
Hello
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Nakia
and
I'm
a
proud
resident,
Mattapan
and
I
hope.
Counselor
Flynn
does
not
continue
to
type
away
on
his
phone
hi
counselor
Flynn
met
you
at
St,
Stevens,
we've
seen
each
other
many
times
and
I
hope
he
continues
to
show
his
respect
to
some
of
his
constituents.
A
few
years
ago,
young
organizers
Inc,
including
myself,
organize
a
community
event
where
city
councilors
leaders
of
mine
and
some
of
you
all
here
had
committed
to
defunding.
The
police
and
I
will
play
a
quick
audio
of
that
man
number
one.
AG
Yes,
but
I
want-
and
that
was
our
now
mayor,
pres
Michelle
Wu,
in
terms
of
what
are
the
things
that
some
of
our
community
members
want.
Of
course,
we
would
like
to
decrease
the
police
budget,
and
that
looks
like
giving
the
money
to
you
jobs
with
adequate
wages.
You
can't
tell
somebody
who's
just
formally
been
incarcerated
to
go
intent
and
have
a
job.
That's
not
even
going
to
get
them
at
hourly
wage,
that's
right
to
for
them
to
take
care
of
their
families.
We
all
know
that
Boston
is
expensive
in
terms
of
Education.
AG
We
need
to
align.
Our
priorities
sounds
like
Mattapan
have
been
left
behind
and
disregarded.
The
city
had
72
million
for
overtime,
but
can
Mattapan
get
a
public
high
school
before
we
can
continue
to
fund
the
police?
Lastly,
also
we
also
need
mental
health
Crisis
Support.
Anyone
who
agrees
in
continuing
anyone
who
agrees
in
continuing
to
fund
an
institution
founded
in
commodifying,
black
and
brown
lies
is
an
embarrassment
to
their
ancestors,
who
look
like
me,
I'm,
not
speaking
for
Ed
Flynn.
Where
was
the
police,
when
many
women
have
been
sexually
assaulted?
AG
Many,
like
myself,
have
been
diagnosed
with
PTSD,
which
we
both
do
share
and
I
made
that
a
commonality
between
you
and
I
Ed
Flynn,
both
of
us
share
PTSD,
with
the
lack
of
resources
for
me
being
in
my
environment
and
police,
are
never
there
to
prevent
that
harm
police
usually
and
testify
regular
situations.
Every
time
we
we
fund
the
police
it
equals
up
to
every
time.
Mass
incarceration
continues.
You
all
need
to
be
with
the
police.
AG
The
people
police
will
always
back
the
blue,
but
they
will
never
back
black
and
brown
communities,
communities
like
mine,
dealing
with
housing
crises
and
lack
of
school
funding,
and
we,
of
course
need
a
cut
in
cap
over
time.
The
Boston
Police
Department
routinely
responds
to
non-violent
calls
for
cert
for
service
involving
mental
health,
homelessness
and
substance,
use,
which
are
matters
beyond
the
scope
of
law
enforcement
function
and
would
be
better
served
by
public
health
response
systems.
Hence
we
should
continue
to
fund
mental
health
initiatives
in
our
community.
AG
AG
The
continuance
of
racially
biased
policing
means
that
police
are
not
equipped
to
properly
protect
the
population.
At
this
point,
reform
is
not
enough.
Pouring
more
money
into
a
training
oversight,
boards,
body
cans,
Etc
solely
legitimize
a
broken
system
that
can
be
traced
back
to
slave
Patrols.
We
do
not
need
incremental
reform.
We
need
drastic
changes.
You
do
not
need
to
rely
on
an
outdated,
inherently
racist
system
solely
based,
because
it
is
already
in
existence,
place
trust
in
community
leaders
to
assist
in
imagining
and
creating
a
police-free
future.
AG
C
You
Nikita,
yes,
counselor.
A
F
I
I
I
didn't
understand,
I'll,
be
honest
with
you,
I
didn't
understand
all
your
points
that
you
made
about
about
me
but
I
know
other
other
people,
testifying
have
been
very
critical
of
me
and
I
feel
like
I'm
I'm
being
under
under
attack
here.
I.
Just
don't
I
didn't
understand
your
comments
that
you
referenced
about
me
and
I
I
I'm,
not
sure
why
why
you?
Why
you're
singling
me
out
what
what
I
do?
F
What
I
like
to
do
when
I
go
to
meetings
is
to
be
honest
and
to
be
as
direct
as
I
can
and,
and
those
are
my
opinions
and
if,
if
people
don't
like
my
opinions,
you
know
I'm
on
the
ballot
next
year,
people
have
the
right
to
vote
me
out,
I'm,
fine
with
that,
but
I,
don't
I,
say
exactly
what
I
believe
in
so
I
just
I'm.
Just
not
sure
what
why
you're
directing
your
negative
comments
towards
me.
I,
don't
know
what
I,
what
I've,
what
I've
done
to
many
of
you.
AG
A
We
don't
usually
go
back
and
forth
with
public
testimony
and
I
do
also
want
to
say
for
my
Council
colleagues,
like
you
know,
part
of
public.
Testimony,
obviously,
is
that
sometimes
sometimes
folks
do
criticize
colleagues,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
in
the
public
gets
to
say
what
they
want
to
say
and
as
long
as
we
follow
the
FCC
rules-
and
you
know,
then
it's
sort
of
like
you
know,
I'm
providing
a
platform
for
everybody.
A
Do
so
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Nikita
I'm,
going
next
to
I'm,
going
next
to
Sarah,
Dillon,
Brewer
and
then
Anne-Marie
Grant
on
the
virtual
and
then
we'll
be
back
to
Annie,
thatch
and
Stacy
Huang.
A
M
You
awesome,
thank
you,
so
much
I
I
do
want
to
start
by
thanking
those
responsible
for
this
hearing
today
and
for
opening
this
process
up
to
public
input.
My
name
is
Sarah
Dillon
Brewer
I
am
not
a
major
contributor
to
anyone's
campaign,
unlike
the
patrolman's
union,
but
but
I'm
a
member
of
the
public
I'm,
a
resident
of
West
Roxbury
and
I'm.
A
voter
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
was
taken
aback
by
the
hostility
toward
the
public
that
the
head
of
the
patrolmen's
Union
showed
today
and
also
earlier.
M
It
really
astonishing
to
me,
but
I
I
heard
him
loud
and
clear
that
that,
in
his
opinion,
police
officers
have
zero
time
for
their
families
and
are
stretched
to
their
utmost
limit
in
what
they're
doing
so
I
say:
let's
relieve
them
and
and
provide
more
time
for
them
by
taking
off
of
their
plate,
something
that
civilians
can
do,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
like
that,
and
one
of
them
is
construction
and
other
details
with
civilian
details.
M
We
can
actually
staff
all
construction
sites
and
other
places
in
need
of
more
Public.
Safety
police
are
definitely
not
the
only
Public
Safety
resource,
we
have
other
First
Responders
and
we
have
the
public.
We
have
so
many
talents
and
gifts
and
so
much
positive
energy
in
this
community
and
raw
talent,
and
we
can
do
this,
and
this
is
the
time
this
is
the
time
while
the
the
contract
talks
are
going
on
and
before
we
have
to
say
it's
all
set
in
stone
because
of
the
contract.
M
This
is
important
to
me
as
a
cyclist
and
also
as
a
wheelchair
user.
I
am
often
not
very
visible
in
traffic
and
and
often
I
feel,
like
my
life
is
at
risk.
M
My
my
brother
was
in
fact
hit
by
a
car
while
he
was
on
his
his
psych
bicycle
and,
and
that
indirectly
may
have
led
to
his
death.
He
barely
survived
the
experience
and
my
family
does
not
want
to
bury
another
one
of
my
generation.
M
I
need
more
and
better
coverage
of
these
sites
than
police
can
or
will
provide
and
I'll
also
say
that
good
union
jobs
are
really
important
to
the
community
they're
important
to
me.
One
good
union
job
in
my
family
would
mean
that
I
wouldn't
be
fearing
homelessness
right
now,
which
I
am
so
I
I
want
to
thank
the
city
councilors,
who
who
are
listening
to
and
welcoming
public
input
that
matters
a
lot
to
us.
We
will
support
you.
M
We
will.
We
will
do
whatever
we
can
to
see
that
you
can
fulfill
this
agenda
and
also
I
want
to
thank
the
people
who
are
testifying
and
receiving
a
lot
of
blowback.
Even
during
the
hearing
which
again
astonishes
me
I
hope
that
we
can
continue
this
process
in
an
open,
transparent
and
publicly
accountable
way,
and
thank
you
for
the
time.
C
Thank
you
Sarah
and
Marie
Grant
and
then
it'll
be
Annie,
thatch
and
Stacy
Huang
and
then
Jeff
gang
Anne-Marie.
AH
Anne-Marie
Grant
from
the
record
policing
people
is
never
the
solution,
nor
does
it
reduce
crime.
We
do
not
need
more
police.
We
need
meaningful
Community
programs
and
resources
that
are
well
funded,
funded
well,
like
the
police
are,
so
we
are
actually
helping
people
the
blanket
statements
that
we
need.
More
policing
crime
has
gone
up,
trying
to
instill
fear
in
the
public
all
without
published
data
that
more
police
will
be
the
solution
to
fixing
these
issues.
Union
contracts
in
the
past
have
made
it
close
to
impossible
to
fire
a
problem.
AH
Police
officer
keeping
bad
officers
puts
the
safety
of
the
public
at
risk.
The
public
safety
is
first
and
foremost.
I
am
not
sure
how
an
elected
official
can
sign
a
Union
contract
that
compromises.
The
safety
of
the
public
problem.
Officers
need
to
be
addressed
and
the
city
needs
to
retain
the
right
to
fire
them.
When
police
involved
shootings
happen,
officers
need
to
be
interviewed
within
72
hours
of
the
incident.
Also,
the
contract
should
clearly
state
that
the
officer
agrees
not
to
meet
or
talk
with
other
involved
officers
before
their
recorded
witness
statements.
AH
The
officers
who
executed
Justin
root,
February
7
2020,
were
interviewed
five
days
after
killing
him.
That
is
unacceptable.
Several
of
those
off
officers
also
met
together
before
giving
their
statements.
This
is
collusion
and
we
need
a
Union
contract
that
will
ensure
that
this.
This
does
not
happen,
and
if
it
does
that
there
will
be
repercussions
and
consequences
for
not
adhering
to
these
requirements.
For
the,
for
example,
this
could
lead
to
rightful
termination
of
said
officer.
Disciplining.
A
police
officer
should
not
be
hindered
by
the
Union
contract.
AH
Opac
and
posts
have
been
watered
down
by
being
heavily
governed
by
law
enforcement.
This
is
not
impartial,
nor
the
spirit
of
the
original
intention
of
police
reform
objectives.
The
Union
contract
needs
to
address
officers,
compliance
with
wearing
and
pressing
record
on
their
body,
worn
cameras.
Failure
to
adhere
to
the
policy
should
be
grounds
for
termination.
The
contract
should
also
address
Internal
Affairs
reviews
and
investigate
all
fatal
shootings
to
ensure
officers
follow
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
Boston
Police
Department.
AH
Far
too
often
when
an
officer
breaks
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
department
there's
little
to
no
consequence.
If
any
BPD
officer
violates
cm10-007,
which
essentially
is
a
truthfulness
policy,
the
Union
contract
needs
to
allow
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
Boston
police
to
have
the
right
to
terminate
an
officer
who
is
not
truthful
in
their
statements.
It
should
allow
and
permit
the
filing
of
anonymous
complaints.
The
department
must
investigate
complaints
filed
by
members
of
the
public
and
other
sworn
officers,
including
Anonymous
and
unsworn
complaints.
AH
It
needs
to
include
agreeing
to
an
impartial,
independent
investigation
in
fatal
Force
incidents.
It
needs
to
make
sure
Personnel
records
related
to
complaints
that
resulted
in
termination
or
resignation
of
an
officer
shall
be
maintained
forever
in
their
personnel
files.
If
any
complaint
resulted
in
a
suspension
or
demotion,
it
may
be
destroyed
after
10
years
unless
there
are
similar
complaints
filed
during
that
period,
records
of
a
suspension
are
any
allegations
of
sexual
misconduct.
Domestic
violence
and
excessive
use
of
us
shall
be
maintained
forever.
AH
Contracts
should
make
it
clear
that
the
composition
of
the
disciplinary
hearings
will
not
be
made
up
of
law
enforcement
Personnel.
Within
this,
it
should
clearly
address
which
violation
violations
are
subject
to
a
hearing
board.
Add
Provisions
that
prohibit
the
accused
officer
from
selecting
members
of
their
disciplinary
board
or
the
strike
members
of
the
board
and
require
members
of
the
public
must
be
permitted
to
sit
on
these
hearing
boards
to
ensure
impartiality
and
transparency.
AH
It's
important
that
police
are
not
working
too
much
overtime,
they
can
carry
guns,
they
should
all
be
well
rested,
and
you
know
for
the
members
who
believe
they
shouldn't
be
involved
in
Union
contracts.
I'll
just
remind
you,
these
are
the
only
employees
who
can
kill
without
consequence
that
have
a
contract
with
the
Union.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
thank
you
Emery
next
up,
Annie
thatch,
Stacy,
Huang,
Jeff,
gang
Taj,
woods
and
then
I
get
to
the
next
page.
Okay,.
AI
Annie,
before
I'm
timed
and
before
I,
officially
give
the
testimony
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
counselors
for
still
being
here
to
counselor.
Kendra
I
was
rooting
for
you
for
your
run
for
District
Six
from
District
three
and
I'm
like
happy
to
see
you
here
and
I
also
want
to
address
what
counselor
Flynn
said
earlier,
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
have
enough
City
councilors
that
have
the
courage
to
share
opinions
on
public
matters.
I'm
also
concerned
that
you
said
that
you
weren't
doing
your
job
earlier
and
taking
care
of
people.
AI
I
respectfully
suggest
that
you
consider
looking
for
a
job
that
you
are
capable
of
doing.
You
said
that
the
budget
of
the
police
department
is
going
up,
but
you
also
said
that
there's
also
more
crimes,
I
think
the
reason
you
should
solve
that
puzzle.
Okay,
now
I'm
going
to
introduce
myself:
okay
yeah
my
name's
Annie
with
a
Y
and
I,
emphasize
the.
Why?
Because
it
emphasizes
the
lines
of
questions
that
often
occupy
my
headspace,
which
is
like.
Why
are
we
like
this?
Why
are
we
always
in
a
crisis?
AI
Why
do
we
rush
the
most
important
conversations
and
discussions
that
barely
consider
the
voices
presence
and
Humanity
of
people
who
need
to
be
regarded
the
most,
which
is
why
I
also
like
to
introduce
the
statements
of
those
that
cannot
physically
be
here
along
with
myself?
I
am
a
Dorchester
resident
artist
in
the
community
and
an
educator,
often
in
spaces,
with
caregivers,
in
different
capacities
in
space
that
holds
space
for
our
youth,
the
heartbeats
of
our
society.
AI
The
requests
that
I
put
forward
are
very
simple
and
clear:
one:
to
decrease
a
police
budget,
save
money
for
care
and
for
people
to
make
decisions
of
where
the
public
money
goes
and
for
spaces
for
people
just
to
be.
The
second
request
is
to
cut
and
cap
over
time
for
police
officers
and
training.
Time
needs
to
be
given
to
give
given
to
community
members
to
build
them
up,
rather
than
separating
in
them
into
PODS
of
fear
and
silence.
AI
The
third
request
is
to
civilianize
police
details,
letting
people
know
explicitly
how
you
were
taking
care
of
them.
What
power?
What
safety
is
because
it's
clearly
clouded
by
the
fear
that
uphold
people
in
positions
of
power
that
hesitate
to
share
opinions
on
public
matters,
the
most
common
argument
in
support
of
police?
Is
they
protect
and
service?
They
keep
us
safe.
AI
AI
Softness
specific
Aid
love
with
boundaries
and
experiencing
all
emotions,
so,
instead
of
the
city,
investing
money
for
more
police
overtime,
money
could
be
reallocated
to
fund
caregivers,
moderators
housing,
Mental,
Health,
Services
and
Farms
time
for
money
to
for
people
who
educate,
mentor
and
provide
workshops,
resources,
materials,
something
to
be
physically
built
on
youth
programs
and
workshops,
nutritious
food,
the
space
for
people
to
convene,
learn
and
commune.
AI
The
theme
that
lay
in
all
of
these
answers
is
reduce
anxiety,
mental
Clarity
and
conditions
that
encourage
people
to
be
creative
officers,
do
not
understand
boundaries
and
how
to
approach
crisis
rushing
into
emergency
situations
without
the
proper
tools.
Why
continue
pouring
money
into
people
who
aren't
meeting
the
needs
of
the
public?
We
don't
need
more
fear
instilled.
We
need
community
members
to
be
educated,
empowered
and
provided
with
care.
Police
does
not
do
that,
and
that
is
my
time.
Thank
you.
So
much
thank.
C
You
and
Stacy
Hong,
then
Jeff
gang,
then
tej,
woods
and
and
Christian
from
yjpu.
A
AJ
AJ
C
Thank
you,
Christian
Ella
is
Ella.
AK
C
AL
These
jobs
require
police
to
redirect
traffic
and
half
the
time
whenever
I
see
construction
being
done,
police
workers
are
either
on
their
phone
being
distracted
or
not
there
leaving
construction
workers
to
redirect
traffic
themselves.
Citizens
should
be
able
to
do
these
jobs
because
we
need
more
people.
We
can
trust
and
also
this
would
increase
the
financial
spot.
Families
are
in.
Thank
you
for
listening.
C
To
Daniel
and
then
Elise
and
then
Carmelo
how.
AK
All
right
cool
good
afternoon
I
came
here
today
to
urge
you
to
decrease
the
BPD
budget
and
redirect
those
funds
into
community-based
organizations,
education,
transportation
and
quality
of
life.
Improvements
for
the
citizens
of
Boston.
As
someone
who
spent
the
last
12
years
growing
up
in
Boston
and
attending
Boston
Public
Schools
I've
been
witness
firsthand
to
just
how
poorly
of
an
effect
BPD
has
not
only
on
the
adults
of
the
city
but
on
the
youth
and
their
experience.
AK
The
same
cops
that
have
been
bothering
me
and
people
that
I
know
all
throughout
middle
and
high
school
that
have
been
surveilling
us
and
harassing
us
solely
because
of
the
color
of
our
skin
is
infuriating
the
people
and
more
specifically,
the
children
of
the
city,
need
better
and
we
deserve
better.
The
black
and
brown
people
of
the
city
shouldn't
feel
constant
on
ease
because
there's
a
cop
at
every
corner,
even
when
they've
done
nothing
wrong.
AK
The
black
and
brown
Children
of
the
city
deserve
to
be
able
to
go
to
school
and
not
be
scared
because
it's
a
couple
of
gun
or
a
taser
on
school
grounds.
According
to
Penn,
today,
cleaning
up
vacant
Lots
in
Philly
leads
to
a
26
reduction
in
gun
violence.
According
to
science,
direct
helping
people
who
are
experiencing
economic
uncertainty
reduces
the
rest
for
violent
crimes
by
51
percent.
That's
crazy!
AK
Isn't
it
Mr
Flynn
in
an
article
this
by
the
city,
cops
from
Brownsville's
73rd
Precinct,
withdrew
from
their
post
for
a
five-day
stretch
and
were
replaced
with
violence,
interpreters,
crisis
management
groups
that
watched
over
the
two
block
Zone
in
the
time
span
of
this
experiment?
They
only
had
one
911
call
that
was
made
accidentally
by
a
distressed
bus
driver.
Although
the
sample
size
is
small,
the
results
be
for
themselves
now.
Tell
me
Mr
Flynn.
AK
AM
Hi,
my
name
is
Danny
I'm,
14
and
I'm,
a
freshman
at
bla
before
I
continue.
I
would
like
to
point
out
how
unfair
what
happened
a
few
moments
ago
was
the
head
of
the
BP
bppa
had
a
breakdown
a
few
weeks
ago.
He
had
an
immature
outburst
and
went
way
past
the
two
minute
limit.
He
spoke
over
everyone
else
and
was
screaming
in
this
space
fast
forward
to
today
who
handles
his
stupid
Behavior
with
increasing
the
time
limit
and
allowing
him
to
speak
for
five
minutes.
AM
AM
116
000
people
live
below
the
poverty
line
on
Cops
should
not
be
getting
paid,
a
double
salary.
Wait.
A
cup
should
not
be
getting
paid
another
salary
when
it's
something
that
the
community
can
do
in
2019,
only
42
percent
of
the
detailed
jobs
were
taken
police,
don't
even
care
about
construction
details.
It's
peer
agreed
to
try
and
fight
for
it.
Now
that
we're
trying
to
civilianize
it
cops
are
incentivized
through
one.
Their
initial
base
pay
to
detail,
pay
and
three
overtime
pay.
AM
According
to
one
of
the
organizations,
we're
working
with
families
for
Justice
at
ceiling
by
civilianizing
police
details,
475
full-time
employees
could
be
created.
The
median
salary
under
this
job
will
be
68,
000,
plus
good
benefits.
68
000
is
the
type
of
life-changing
money
that
could
help
stabilize
the
overwhelming
amount
of
people
struggling
in
poverty
in
the
city.
Miss
Sarah
Dylan,
talking
briefly
about
how
close
she
is
to
homelessness,
is
really
upsetting
and
the
Monopoly
on
construction
details.
AC
Hi
I
am
Elise
and
I
live
in
Boston,
Dorchester
and
I
work
at
the
city,
school
Pathways
to
change.
I
demand
to
see
people
who
aren't
police
officers
work.
Construction
details
whenever
I,
walk
by
and
police
are
possessed
present
I
feel
the
need
to
look
less
suspicious
because
cops
because
having
cops
around
doesn't
feel
safe.
AC
I,
don't
think
cops
in
this
position
are
necessary
because
so
because
cops
harass
people,
sleep
socialize
in,
are
even
absent
on
the
job,
but
instead
I
would
love
to
see
a
familiar
face
and
someone
around
who
doesn't
make
others
feel
unsafe
and
that
person
can
use
that
70k
salary
to
put
food
on
their
table,
support
themselves
and
their
families.
I
know
people
who
I
love
and
people
who
I
walk
by
often
struggling
and
can
definitely
use
this
position
but
construction
details.
AC
AN
A
AN
You
would
you
like
me
to
restart,
or
did
you
hear
anything
okay,
my
name
is
Carmel
Howe
I'm,
a
member
of
ygpu
as
well,
and
I
go
to
school
with
the
O'brien
and
Roxbury
yeah
and
I
would
start
my
testimony,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
to
point
out
how
Calderon
was
once
again
given
five
minutes
got
to
go
along
after
he
hijacked
the
last
hearing
as
well
and
I.
Just
think
it's
a
little
bit
crazy
to
me.
AN
AN
I
would
start
my
testimony
if
I
had
it
up,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
care
if
I'm
already
on
the
time
song,
it's
whatever
to
me
all
right
I'm.
My
name
is
Carmelo
I
love,
District,
Seven,
I'm,
calling
on
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
to
fight
for
a
police
contract
that
emphasizes
between
resources
and
jobs
in
the
black
and
brown
communities,
in
order
to
reverse
the
years
of
wonderful
investment
and
Community
needs
and
racially
and
just
about
the
policing.
AN
The
mayor
and
some
City
councilors
have
said
for
years
that
the
police
contract
must
change
in
order
to
move
responsibilities
and
funding
from
the
police
department
into
Community
programs.
It's
time
for
elected
officials
to
follow
through
on
their
promises
when
meaningful
changes
in
their
contracts.
The
top
five
priorities
for
the
contractor
and
the
police
Monopoly
on
details,
cut
and
cap
over
time
and
decrease
the
police
budget,
so
that
we
can
confess
in
communities
I'd
like
to
focus
on
how
the
police
have
consistently
gone
over
their
overtime
budget
year
after
year.
AN
If
the
police
overtime
budget
in
the
fiscal
year
of
2020
was
supposed
to
be
60.8
million
dollars,
why
were
they
able
to
spend
74.69
million
and
in
fiscal
year
2021
they
spent
68.2
million
so
did
the
48.8
billion
that
was
allocated
to
them?
Why
should
they
be
able
to
consistently
go
over
their
overtime
budget
without
any
consequences?
AN
AO
Hello,
my
name
is
George
Lee
I'm,
an
organizer
with
youth,
Justice
and
power.
Union
and
you've
heard
the
priorities
from
our
groups
today
and
we're
glad
that
that
in
some
ways
they
match
up
with
mayor
Wu's
contract
for
blueprint
for
a
contract
reform,
mayor
Lewis
said
she
also
wants
to
decrease
costs,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
really
does
decrease
costs
in
the
whole
budget
and
making
sure
that
the
contract
doesn't
just
have
big
loopholes
where
we
decrease
a
little
bit
of
cost
here.
AO
But
then
we
end
up
adding
a
whole
bunch
of
costs
somewhere
else,
because
that
could
reverse
our
wins.
Like
it's
progress
that
we've
decreased
the
budget
from
414
to
395
million.
But
if
this
contract
just
brings
it
back
up,
then
that
reverses
the
hard
work
in
the
last
years,
and
especially
looking
to
her
leadership
and
to
the
council's
leadership
to
hold
the
line,
and
you
all
have
a
really
important
role
with
your
vote.
AO
As
you
all
know,
sometimes,
we've
disagreed
with
some
of
y'all
before
sometimes
you
all
have
really
been
Champions,
and
we
really
hope
this
time.
Folks
will
consistently
support
us,
especially
because
our
arbitration
can
often
be
friendly
to
the
police,
and
so
the
city
council's
vote
is
crucial.
Mayor
Wu
also
believes
in
removing
traffic
enforcement
and
social
services
from
the
police
department.
So
hopefully
we
can
really
get
some
big
wins
on
the
civilian
details.
AO
Everyone's
talked
about
and
mayor
Lewis
talked
about
needing
to
rein
in
overtime
costs,
as
well
as
public
accountability
and
transparency,
and
as
part
of
that
transparency,
we
need
to
know
information
about
the
contract
to
understand
if
these
changes
are
really
happening,
for
example,
for
overtime.
Councilor
Bach
referred
before
to
the
Charter
language
of
over
time
that
you
can
spend
more
on
it
than
budgeted.
If
there's
quote
an
extreme
emergency
involving
the
health
or
safety
of
the
people
or
their
property,
all
other
employees
are
limited
to
10
percent
of
their
salary
in
overtime.
AO
So
what
can
we
do?
We
need
to?
We
said
before
we
shouldn't
need
to
be
the
legal
experts.
We
need
to
be
able
to
hear
from
the
mayor
in
the
city.
What
in
the
contract
could
be
changed?
What's
the
legal
analysis
around
how,
over
time,
it
can
be
capped,
how
overtime
can
be
brought
in
to
compliance
with
those
laws
about
caps
and
how
to
make
sure
that
we
can
rein
in
that
budget?
That's
already.
AO
The
overtime
budget
alone
is
bigger
than
the
housing
budget,
it's
bigger
than
the
youth
jobs
budget,
it's
bigger
than
the
community
center's
budget.
We
also
need
information
about
how
much
are
police
officers
getting
paid
for
work
that
they
don't
even
do
because
a
lot
of
the
hours
because
of
the
contract
rules
they're
getting
paid
for
it,
but
they're
not
even
actually
doing
that.
Those
hours
also
need
information
on
what
these
Banks
of
overtime
are
the
districts
and
special
units.
AO
They
basically
get
assigned
a
piggy
bank
of
overtime
hours
that
they
get
to
give
out
when
the
so
it's
not
just
like
an
emergency
like
oh,
we
needed
to
work
an
extra
shift.
Now
they
actually
plan
out
ahead
of
time
how
much
overtime
they
can
give.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
we
get
information
if
there's
any
scams
going
on
with
comp
time,
because
a
lot
of
times
what
will
happen
is
officer,
will
work
overtime,
get
comp
time.
Take
that
time
off
now,
there's
an
empty
shift.
AO
The
officer's
buddy
will
fill
that
shift
get
overtime.
Then
then
they
get
comp
time
and
then
they
take
it
off
and
just
the
cycle
where
you're,
just
racking
up
overtime,
pay
and
so
getting
information
on
how
much
comp
time
and
overtime
is
happening.
Thank
you
very
much
and
again
hope
that
both
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
really
support.
Community
demands
on
this
contract.
C
Thank
you,
George
I'm,
going
to
Cynthia
online.
A
And
then
it
will
be
Hussein,
Kyra,
Ariana,
Teresa,
Ian,
joao
and
Damien.
Just
so
you
know,
that's
the
whole
list.
I've
got
if
you
think
you're
signed
up-
and
you
didn't
hear
me
say
your
name
then
make
sure
to
sign
up
and
we'll
help
spend
one
more
time
over
to
the
sheet.
But
that's
everybody
I've
got
okay.
Cynthia.
Do
we
have
Cynthia
ready.
AP
Okay,
thank
you.
So
my
name
is
Cynthia
Pages
I've
been
a
resident
of
Boston
for
all
of
my
life,
I've
been
an
organizer
for
the
last
eight
years.
Just
of
many
people
who
have
been
here
today
and
I
have
three
things
to
say.
AP
The
first
thing
is
that
Larry,
what
Larry
called
Jerome
said
earlier
was
that
Boston
is
the
safest
city
in
the
country
and
what
I
want
to
add
to
that
is
what
does
the
safest
city
in
the
country
mean
in
the
most
racist
City
in
the
nation?
What
it
means
is
that
for
white
people
it
may
feel
like
the
most
safest,
but
in
fact
this
city
is
exponentially
more
dangerous
for
black
residents
and
other
people
of
color.
AP
The
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
the
police
department
has
created
and
continues
to
create
through
Insidious
and
secret
planning,
an
occupational
Monopoly.
What
does
that
mean?
That
means
that
people
are
getting
funneled
into
with
very
limited
options
having
to
debate
which
occupations
are
going
to
actually
pay
for
their
survival,
and
it
is
no
secret
that
Boston,
Public
Boston
police
officers
are
one
of
the
most
highly
paid
occupations
in
the
city
and
for
for
the
nation,
too,
foreign.
AP
For
that
to
be
an
incentive
for
people
to
go
into
the
occupation
for
money.
To
be
the
reason
why
people
are
going
to
this
occupation,
it
really
does
create
a
system
and
a
culture
of
of
danger.
There's
no
seeing
people
as
human,
and
this
Monopoly
is
forcing
the
economy
and
people
to
to
leave
occupations
that
do
serve
our
population.
What
we
need
are
real
teachers.
What
we
need
are
real
youth
jobs.
AP
The
third
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
the
aggression
that
Larry
called
John
displayed
earlier
is
the
exact
example
that
we
needed
on
camera
and
on
film
about
how
the
police
treat
civilians
on
the
street.
They
he
treated
us
like
that
in
this
film
space,
that's
exactly
how
they
treat
us
and
worse
when
we're
on
the
streets,
and
nobody
else
can
see
us
and
nobody
else,
but
us
can
advocate
for
what's
going
on.
C
I'm
gonna
say
that's
my
time.
Thank
you,
Cynthia
Hussein
and
then
Kyra
Ariana,
Teresa,
saying
here
no
Kyra
here
before.
AQ
Hi,
my
name
is
Kyra
Nunez
I
live
in
District,
Seven
and
I'm,
a
part
of
the
youth
Justice
and
power
Union,
and
this
new
contract.
Oh
in
this
new
contract,
we
need
to
cut
and
cap
police
over
time
and
civilianized
police
detailing
by
letting
our
community
do
detailing.
It
would
strengthen
it
one
by
helping
our
people
in
the
community
who
are
struggling
to
pay
their
bills
and
who
cannot
find
jobs.
AQ
C
Thank
you,
Kyra
Ariana,
Teresa,
then
Ian
and
Joel.
Then
Damien
Ariana.
S
Hello,
my
name
is
Ariana
Brown
I'm,
a
part
of
the
youth
Justice
and
power
Union
in
the
new
contract.
I
want
my
community
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
police
detailing
as
an
option
for
citizens,
so
many
people
are
struggling
to
put
food
on
the
table
not
just
only
for
themselves
but
for
their
children
detailing
would
help
so
many
civilians
and
their
families.
It's
time
to
do
right
by
my
people.
Thank
you.
A
Just
reminding
folks
to
try
to
keep
that
for
affirmation
sounds
down
I'm
alone.
I
know
why
they
come
Teresa
and
then
Ian
and
joao
and
Damien
Teresa.
T
So
I
live
near
marupian,
so
I
take
the
28
to
school
every
day
and
for
the
past
few
years,
I've
noticed
many
construction
sites
and
really
do
I
ever
see
police
officers
when
I
do
see
them
they're,
either
yelling
and
screaming
at
drivers
are
laughing
and
chatting
it
up
with
their
co-workers,
while
the
construction
workers
direct
traffic
from
my
experience,
I
would
have
never
guessed
that
police
officers
were
required
to
handle
construction
details.
The
highest
paying
person
in
Boston
is
a
police
officer.
T
This
allows
this
also
allows
the
city
to
use
that
money
on
other
things
like
housing
and
public
school
education,
I
go
to
a
public
school
and
we
will
serve
expired
cheesesteaks.
We
didn't
have
any
AC
until
this
year
and
during
last
year,
people
passed
out
from
the
heat,
so
the
extra
money
coming
from
reducing
the
police
but
polices
budget
and
police
overtime
budget
can
be
used
to
improve
life
in
many
Boston
communities
and
is
more
advantageous.
T
A
A
Oh,
that
was
Teresa
I'm
off
by
one
sorry,
Ariana
wasn't
here:
okay,
Ian,
driven
Ian,
Ian
Powell,
okay,
Ian
Powell
may
have
had
to
leave
okay,
joao
Paulo
sorry
trying
to
read
the
last
name:
Joel
Powell!
Yes,
go
ahead!
You
have
a
four
hello.
AR
AR
So,
when
I
found
out
that
mayor,
Washington
administration
had
approved
of
29.9
million
dollar
contract
to
foresee
the
construction
of
a
new
East
Boston
police
headquarters,
I
was
Furious
with
these
boys
and
families
forced
to
move
out
of
their
homes.
Where
was
the
city
with
unstable
housing
and
houses
people
living
on
the
street?
Where
was
the
city?
AR
The
Wu
Administration
is
expected
to
fulfill
their
Promise
by
reallocating
the
bulk
of
these
400
million
dollars.
The
promise
that
she
may,
when,
when
going
through
with
her
campaign
in
mayor
and
speaking
out
his
her
voters,
I
also
want
to
shed
light
on
on
the
tragedies
of
people
that
fell
to
the
arm,
fell
to
the
hands
of
BPD
officers,
including
Dante
Wright,
Terence
Coleman
and
Burrell
Ramsay
white,
someone
who
was
mentioned
earlier
today
as
well.
AR
The
city
needs
to
do
more
for
people
that
are
affected
at
the
hands
of
police,
violence
and
brutality,
and
even
though
some
cops
May
mean
well,
the
BPD
culture
and
system
are
obsolete.
They
serve
no
purpose
for
the
future
and
they
are
definitely
not
our
future.
For
Public
Safety.
We
need
to
reallocate
these
funds
to
actually
prevent
crime.
The
BPD
doesn't
prevent
crime,
they
own
their
reactionary.
They
respond
to
when
crime
happens
afterwards
and
a
lot
of
the
time
they
don't
even
solve
those
crimes
too.
AR
While
we
keep
doing
the
same
things
that
are
consistently
for
decades
and
decades,
just
like
the
people
before
we
have
saw
I've
talked
about
today,
why
would
we
keep
doing
the
same
things
that
we've
been
trying?
Why
don't
we
try
things
that
are
new?
Why
don't
we
reallocate
funds?
Try
alternative
methods?
AR
Actually
try
to
you
know
humanize
the
people
that
are
you
know
at
the
hands
of
these
conflicts
that
they
have
a
future
as
well.
They
are
not
people
that
you
can
discard
to
the
side
or
throw
in
a
jail
and
forget
about
them.
These
are
people
in
our
communities.
These
are
friends
family,
regardless
these
are
humans.
AR
A
Thank
you,
Joel
Damien,
Spencer
and,
like
I,
said,
that's
the
last
sign
up.
I
have
so
I'll
have
Central
staff
check
one
more
time,
but
then
we'll
be
wrapping
up.
Damien.
AS
I
before
I
do
start,
my
testimony,
I'd
like
to
apologize
for
seeming
distracted.
Most
of
the
time
I
spent
up
there
on
my
phone
was
usually
just
been
obsessing
over
my
notes.
But
what
I
do
want
to
say
is
there's
one
thing
that
I
can
definitely
say
confidently
about
this,
and
it's
that
a
lot
of
the
points
I'm
going
to
make
have
been
made
much
more
eloquently
by
a
lot
of
people
before
me.
AS
But
the
police
receiving
some
of
the
largest
budget
in
the
city
is
very
undeserved
because,
nine
times
out
of
ten,
they
completely
failed
to
uphold
the
very
function
society
that
they're
meant
to
I
personally,
believe
that
the
efforts
made
by
police
to
usually
stop
problems
or
to
protect
and
serve
are
often
very
counter-intuitive,
and
if
I
were
to,
if
I
had
the
choice,
I
would
definitely
have
them
replaced
by
professionals
that
are
legitimately
trained
to
do
things.
AS
To
do
more
than
just
point
and
pull
triggers
to
be
completely
honest,
you
could
probably
order
a
pizza
and
it'd,
be
there
sooner
than
the
police
would
at
a
crime
scene
to
be
completely
fair
and
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
you
know
there
a
lot
of
the
things
or
a
lot
of
the
people
that
police
are
usually
detaining
are.
AS
AS
I
would
like
to
say
that
modern
police
are
usually
around
to
sort
of
establish,
fear
and
maintain
inequality
and,
as
said
by
I,
forget
who
earlier,
but
the
propaganda,
usually
showing
police
as
heroes
or
very
gallon,
like
brave
people
on
TV
is
very
it's
a
very
inaccurate
representation
and
there
was
a
lot
more
I
was
going
to
say,
but
I
did
not
organize
organize
my
notes
very
well,
and
so
this
took
me
a
lot
less
time
than
I
thought.
AS
It
would
so
I
think
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
now
and
all
I
probably
will
be
saying
if
I
can't
really
get
anything
else
in
order.
But
you
know
thank.
A
You
Damien
thank
you
all
right
and
with
that,
we've
reached
the
end
of
public
testimony
and
it's
also
6
48,
so
we've
been
at
this
for
four
hours,
so
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
testified
in
the
public.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
my
colleagues
for
attending
and
and
for
comments
and
for
listening
to
the
public.
I
want
to
thank
the
administration
for
appearing
earlier,
the
dppa
for
testifying
and,
of
course,
our
advocacy
panel.
A
This
is
obviously
going
to
go
on
being
an
active
issue.
The
council
is
going
to
stay
as
engaged
as
we
possibly
can
within
the
parameters
of
the
contract,
rules
and
I
know
that
we'll
be
doing
more
on
this
in
the
new
year.
So
with
that,
this
hearing
of
the
Boston
City
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.
All.