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City Services & Innovation Technology Hearing - Docket #0634, A hearing to discuss the creation of civilian construction details
A
A
All
right
now
now
I'm
calling
this
meeting
to
order
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Kenzie
Bach
I'm,
the
city
councilor
for
District
8,
and
also
the
chair
of
the
Boston
City
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology.
This
hearing
today
is
being
recorded
the
and
this,
and
it
will
also
be
rebroadcast
on
Xfinity
8,
rcn82,
Verizon,
964
and
streamed
after
the
fact
at
boston.gov,
city-counsel,
Dash,
TV
I'm,
going
to
repeat
before
I
go
into
the
rest
of
this
just
a
few
of
the
announcements
that
I
made
earlier.
A
So
as
mentioned
tomorrow's
election
day,
the
elections
department
is
counting
mail-in
ballots
in
our
chamber
today,
which
is
why
the
city
council
is
using
the
school
committees
chamber
today,
and
we
do
have
some
of
our
students
doing
testing
on
this
floor
and
in
this
building.
So
I
just
want
to
continue
to
thank
everybody
for
both
helping
keep
that
door
closed
and
clear
in
the
back
and
and
keeping
keeping
our
voices
at
a
reasonable
level.
So
we
don't
disrupt
that
we'll
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
A
If
you're
interested
in
testifying
here
with
us,
please
sign
up
on
the
sheet
near
the
door.
So
if
you
came
in
and
you
missed
signing
up,
please
find
your
way
back
there
and
sign
up
and
I'll
just
mention
one
more
time
that
there
are
a
number
of
seats
right
in
the
front
here.
So
if
anybody
wants
a
seat,
please
come
take.
One
I
think
there
are
some
more
chairs
back
there
to
grab
and
just
in
general,
if
folks
start
piling
up
by
the
entrance.
A
Just
a
couple
of
other
notes.
Well,
I
guess
I'll
first
say
the
subject
of
the
hearing
is
Doc
at
zero.
Six,
three:
four
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
the
creation
of
a
civilian
construction
details
program.
This
matter
was
sponsored
by
counselor
Kendra
Lara
and
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
May,
18,
2022
and
I'm
joined
here.
A
In
addition
by
counselor
Lara
who's,
the
district
six
counselor
I'm
also
joined
by
my
colleague,
counselor
Aaron
Murphy
at
large
counselor
Ruth
C
Louis
Jen
at
large
and
counselor
Frank,
Baker
District,
three,
just
a
couple.
So
a
couple
of
things
before
we
get
going,
we
we
will
be
hearing
from
an
Administration
panel
of
from
both
the
Boston
transportation
department
and
the
Boston
Police
Department.
A
They
had
a
scheduling
issue
so
that
they're
starting
at
11.
For
that
reason,
we're
going
to
hear
first
from
The
Advocate
panel
introduced
by
well
invited
by
councilor
Lara,
but
I
just
want
to
note
for
everybody
that
we
are
we're
going
to
hear
from
that
panel.
We'll
do
questions,
but
just
for
my
colleagues
to
know
that
as
soon
as
the
administration's
here
at
11,
we
are
going
to
stop
that
and
go
to
them
because
we
have
them
for
a
particular
window.
A
So
we
will
be
joined
by
Chief
of
streets,
Yasha,
Franklin,
Hodge,
superintendent,
Marcus
eddings
from
the
office
of
the
police,
commissioner
and
Captain
Christopher.
Hamilton
from
the
police
department,
I'm
gonna
go
first
to
my
colleagues
for
opening
statements
and
then
I'll
invite
I'll,
introduce
them
in
a
moment,
but
I'll
invite
Mallory,
henora,
Sashi,
James
and
Malaysia
Fuller
Stanton
up
here.
Our
panelists,
just
both
for
that
panel
and
for
the
administration,
will
sit
on
this
leg.
A
So
if
my
colleagues
can
help
me
just
sort
of
signaling
to
other
colleagues
that
we're
going
to
fill
in
this
leg
first
so
that
we
can
have
the
panelists
there,
because
our
amazing
city
council,
Central
staff
Ethan
in
the
back,
there
is
filming
this
for
rebroadcast
and
we've
also
got
Candace
and
Megan
over
here,
helping
us
out.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
them.
A
My
one
other
note
is
just
to
say:
I
know
that
this
is
a
issue
where
passions
are
high
and
folks
feel
strongly.
I
just
want
to
stress
for
everybody.
This
is
a
hearing
there,
there's
no
ordinance!
That's
up
for
consideration
today.
There's
also
you
know
considerable
bargaining
implications
on
this
issue,
so
I
just
want
folks
to
treat
today
as
an
opportunity.
To
put
you
know
your
views
on
the
record
and
just
know
that
this
is
something
where
we're
engaged
in
a
longer
Term
Policy
conversation
so
appreciate
everybody
approaching.
B
I
first
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that,
in
spite
of
the
sensationalized
narrative
around
this
issue,
the
state
of
Massachusetts
is
on
an
island
effectively
alone
when
it
comes
to
civilian
flaggers,
all
across
the
country,
in
cities
all
over
in
every
state.
There
are
already
civilian
flaggers
in
use
for
construction
details.
B
What
we
do
know
is
that
safety
comes
from
well-resourced
communities.
Safety
in
our
neighborhoods
doesn't
come
from
an
armed
office
or
directing
traffic,
but
it
comes
from
the
Investments
That
meet
the
basic
needs
of
our
constituents:
dignified
work,
affordable
housing
and
transformative
education,
all
Necessities
to
survive
and
thrive
in
the
second
most
expensive
city
in
the
country.
B
But
the
truth
is
that
every
single
person
in
this
room
has
either
themselves
had
a
family
member,
a
colleague
or
somebody
who
they
know
who
has
been
unemployed
or
underemployed,
and
you
know
the
impact
that
that
has
had
on
them
and
their
community
and
their
families.
So
the
creation
of
this
program
is
a
matter
of
safety.
It's
a
matter
of
economic
Justice,
it's
a
matter
of
racial
Justice
and
it's
a
matter
of
public
health,
and
it's
not
only
timely.
It
is
also
long
overdue.
B
So
I
know
that,
like
counselor
Bach
said
this
is
a
difficult
conversation
to
have,
but
I
think
it's
time
that
our
state
joined
the
rest
of
the
country
in
making
sure
that
our
most
vulnerable
constituents
and
the
people
who
need
it,
the
most
have
the
jobs
that
they
need
to
live
a
dignified
life
in
our
city.
So
I'm
excited
to
hear
from
both
our
panelists
and
everybody
who's
here
to
testify
today
about
this
issue
and
I
will
see
my
time.
Thank
you.
Counselor
buck.
A
C
C
I
do
just
want
to
start
by
saying
last
night
was
a
bad
night
in
Boston
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
our
police
officers,
our
EMS,
our
First
Responders,
who
were
out
there
and
for
our
neighbors,
who
are
who
weren't
saved
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that,
because
I
know
many
of
the
people
in
this
room
right
now
may
have
been
working
last
night
and
came
here
after
a
long
night
at
work.
So
thank
you
for
that.
C
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
was
super
proud
on
Friday
to
be
there
when
the
academy
graduated
yet
another
very
diverse
class
of
police
officers
and
they
started.
Is
it
true?
They
started
today,
I
think
they
had
the
weekend
off.
So
many
of
you
are
probably
relieved
that
we
have
a
hundred
new
police
officers
to
fill
Staffing
shortages
at
every
police
station
across
the
city.
I
hear
time
and
time
again
that
police
officers
are
forced
overtime,
so
I
really
Hope.
C
From
this
conversation
we
get
to
the
details
and
the
semantics
of
words:
is
it
police
are
rejecting
details
or
do
they
have
to
fill
Staffing
shortages
at
police
houses
first?
That
then,
doesn't
allow
them
to
do
a
detail,
so
that
is
information
I'm,
just
hoping
to
get
the
most
information
we
can
and
also
knowing
that
the
detail
is
not
paid
by
the
city.
C
I
was
a
teacher
for
24
years
and
there
were
people
who
never
spent
one
day
in
a
classroom
who
told
me
how
to
do
my
job
better,
so
I'm
happy
that
we
are
going
to
and
I'm
my
mind
is
open
and
I'm
here
to
listen
to
everyone
and
I
hope
people
signed
up
to
make
public
testimony
and
looking
forward
to
the
panelists.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
Council
lebach
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
Council
Lara
for
putting
this
forward,
and
I
also
too
want
to
acknowledge
that
last
night
was.
It
was
a
tough
night
for
a
lot
of
our
neighborhoods,
my
neighborhoods
in
particular
in
High
Park
in
Mattapan,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
folks
are
dealing
with
trauma.
D
We
know
that
with
the
Boston
residents
job
policy
that
we
already
have
problems,
ensuring
that
Boston
residents
are
able
to
access
these
good
quality
construction
jobs
in
our
city
and
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
Boston
residents,
especially
our
black
and
brown,
our
women
residents,
can
enter
into
the
construction
field
but
also
be
paid.
A
living
dignified
wage
is
really
incredibly
important.
We
know
that
this
conversation
is
not
a
new
conversation.
D
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
here,
to
listen
to
the
discussion
and
I'm
curious
to
see
where
the
administration
is
going
to
be
on
this
one
here
and
also
you
know,
answer
questions
on
how
people
think
that
civilian
details
will
make
us
more
safe
in
the
neighborhoods
I'd,
be
very
interested
to
see
how
we,
how
we
break
that
down
there
and
just
here
for
the
the
discussion
and
to
see
the
way
this
develops.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
councilor
Lara
for
bringing
this
to
the
council.
I'm
really
super
excited
to
be
here.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that,
in
my
two
and
a
half
years
here
on
the
council,
I
am
always
thinking
about
how
we
look
at
things
from
a
asset
base,
not
deficit.
So
it's
not
so
much
about
taking
opportunities
away.
F
But
how
do
we
create
opportunities
for
folks
to
really
get
at
the
root
cause
of
violence
and
I
think
that
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
recognize
that
this
can't
be
a
one-sided,
Us,
Versus
Them
conversation?
This
has
to
be
about
what
is
at
the
best
interest
to
support
those
who
are
returning
home
from
incarceration
those
who
are
underemployed.
A
G
G
I
have
studied
this
issue
over
the
last
five
years,
but
I
also
know
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
in
the
city
of
Boston.
We
need
to
consistently
hire
400
police
officers
every
year
for
the
next
10
to
15
years,
because
of
retirements
police
officers
are
leaving
this
leaving
the
force
for
various
reasons.
G
I
know
people
may
disagree
with
with
that
perception.
I
have,
but
that's
based
on
studying
this
issue,
studying
the
in
in
talking
to
Boston
police
talking
to
residents
and
also
having
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
senior
leadership
at
the
Boston
police.
That
acknowledged
to
me
that
we
do
not
have
enough
place
on
this
on
our
streets,
and
we
need
more
so
just
want
to
highlight
some
of
those
comments
that
I
felt
were
necessary
to
relate
to
today.
Thank
you.
A
President
Flynn
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
couple
more
announcements
because
folks
have
come
since
I
made
them
so
if
you're
standing
in
the
line
of
Passage
to
the
door,
if
you
can
shift
this
way,
if
we
can
just
shift
everybody
in
so
that
that
doorway
stays
clear,
it's
important
I
know:
we've
got
more
police
than
fire
here
today,
but
it's
important
that
we
keep
the
egress
clear
and
again.
If
you
want
to
sign
up
for
public
testimony,
there
are
sheets
in
the
corner.
A
It's
also
possible
to
send
written
testimony
after
the
fact,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
start,
because
the
administration
panel
can't
join
us
until
11
I'm,
going
to
go
to
a
community
panel
invited
by
counselor
Lara
and
then
when,
when
Chief
Franklin,
Hodge
and
superintendent
eddings
and
Captain
Hamilton
are
here,
we
will
go
to
them.
So
I'm
now
going
to
invite
up
and
and
we'll
be
having
our
panelists
sit
on
this
leg
today,
so
that
Ethan
who's
recording
it
can
get
them
for
the
recording.
A
So
I'd
like
to
invite
up
Mallory
henora
from
families,
the
executive
director
of
families
for
justice,
healing
Sashi
James,
also
from
families
for
justice
healing
and
Malaysia
Fuller
Statin,
a
community
organizer
with
the
Boston
cyclist
Union.
If
you
guys
can
take
these
three
seats
at
the
end
here,
that
would
be
great
foreign.
H
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Mallory
henora
and
I'm,
director
of
families
for
justice.
As
healing
good
morning
counselors,
our
organization
was
founded
by
Andrea
James,
whose
family
has
been
residents
of
Roxbury
for
more
than
five
generations
and
the
sisters
that
she
was
incarcerated
with
at
Danbury
federal
correctional
institute.
H
Civilianizing
construction
details
is
a
reasonable
and
necessary
policy
shift
that
will
ensure
more
Boston
residents
can
feed
their
families
and
afford
to
live
in
the
second
most
expensive
city
for
renters
in
the
United
States.
We
organize
with
directly
affected
women,
to
create
what
different
looks
like
real
safety
and
well-being
starts
with
meeting
people's
basic
needs,
and
it's
no
secret
that
people's
top
needs
are
dignified
income
and
housing.
H
For
years
we've
been
building
with
neighbors
about
what
it
would
actually
look
like
to
shift
resources
away
from
policing
and
incarceration
and
invest
in
what
communities
really
need
to
thrive.
One
glaring
issue
residents
repeatedly
lift
up
is
why
police
officers
have
a
monopoly
on
construction
details
on
the
streets
in
their
neighborhoods
civilianizing
construction
details
will
make
both
an
immediate
impact
in
people's
material
conditions
and
a
long-term
meaningful
change
in
families.
Financial
stability
and
security.
H
If
we
civilianize
construction
details,
we
create
life-changing
opportunities
for
hundreds
of
residents
who
may
not
have
access
to
good
paying
jobs,
so
they
can
too
provide
for
their
families
from
data
provided
by
the
Boston
Police
Department
via
public
records
requests.
We
know
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
May
officers
made
over
26
million
dollars
from
working
construction
details
in
2019
a
typical
year
to
put
that
number
in
perspective.
That
was
about
the
same
budget
in
FY
20
as
the
parks
department,
26.6
million
dollars
and
the
Boston
Center
for
Youth
and
families
budget
around
29
million
dollars.
H
And
if
we
look
at
this
year's
FY
23
budget,
a
26
million
dollar
Department
would
be
in
the
top
25
percent
of
City
departments.
26
million
dollars
represents
a
much
bigger
budget
than
the
office
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
Civilianizing
construction
details
would
be
a
groundbreaking
initiative
to
create
hundreds
of
full-time
union
jobs
with
benefits.
If
we
break
that
down
and
look
a
little
bit
further,
we
know
that
the
top
earning
officer
in
in
2019
made
an
additional
136
thousand
dollars
just
from
working
construction
details
on
top
of
his
salary
and
overtime
pay.
H
We
have
to
question
a
city
system
that
consolidates
resources
in
the
hands
of
a
very
few
while
so
many
residents
are
struggling
to
make
ends
meet
as
egregious
as
it
is
to
have
any
one
person
earn
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
construction
details
on
top
of
their
regular
pay
and
overtime.
Focusing
on
Extreme
earners
doesn't
tell
the
whole
story.
In
2019
the
average
total
income
of
officers
who
worked
construction
details
was
more
than
a
hundred
seventy
thousand
dollars.
The
average
pay
officers
made
just
from
the
construction
details
was
around
nineteen
thousand
dollars.
H
So
if
you
subtract
the
average
construction
detail,
pay
from
the
average
total
pay
among
officers
who
work
details,
these
officers
are
still
making
over
a
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
So
some
officers
may
try
to
represent
construction
detail
work
as
essential
to
their
livelihood
rather
than
what
it
is
a
perk
of
the
job
and
that's
Barren
out
by
the
data,
so
the
average
is
nineteen
thousand.
If
you
look
at
the
median
number,
so
an
equal
number
of
officers
made
less
and
an
equal
number
of
officers
made
more.
H
H
We
know
that
we've
been
talking
about
26
million
dollars
as
the
number
that
was
made
in
2019,
but
as
councilor
Lara
mentioned,
we
know
that
Boston
police
officers
are
not
working.
The
total
amount
of
details
that
are
offered
by
companies
so
in
2019
that
same
year,
officers
declined
to
work.
42
percent
of
the
details,
members
of
the
Boston,
Police,
Department
and
community
members
alike,
have
all
raised
concerns
about
the
scope
of
the
work
that
police
officers
are
expected
to
do
in
our
city.
H
Officers
have
repeatedly
testified
to
this
Council
about
the
numbers
of
hours.
They
are
forced
to
work
to
work
in
overtime,
more
than
30
officers
work
in
the
detail
office.
Just
administering
the
details.
We
need
police
officers
to
do
less
construction
details
are
an
example
of
work
that
can
and
should
be
done
by
trained
residents
like
in
most
other
states.
Companies
already
have
the
budget
to
do
work
safely
in
our
city,
and
they
need
more
details.
Filled
than
cops
can
work.
H
Companies
should
be
paying
trained
residents
prevailing
wages
at
their
work
site,
wages
that
allow
people
in
Boston
to
live
above.
The
poverty
line,
mothers
and
fathers,
families
and
Neighbors
in
our
communities
deserve
that.
We
already
know
what
the
Pearl
trollman's
Association
will
say,
because
it's
the
same
thing
that
they
have
been
saying,
no
matter
the
circumstances,
and
that's
that
we
need
more
police
officers.
H
Community
members
are
tired
of
only
being
offered
more
police
as
a
solution
for
any
challenge
that
residents
face,
and
on
top
of
that,
we
yet
again
see
the
way
community
members
are
criminalized,
demonized
and
disrespected
by
the
patrolmen's
Association
for
political
gain.
While
the
transformative
and
life-sustaining
work
directly
affected
residents,
our
leading
is
so
often
ignored
and
under-resourced.
The
city
council
must
not
fail
to
recognize
the
assets
that
community
members
can
bring
to
these
construction
detail
positions
and
the
immense
benefit
having
these
jobs
will
bring
to
our
neighborhoods.
H
We
have
a
vision
for
a
civilian
construction
detail
office
with
a
racial
and
gender
justice
Mission
with
a
budget
of
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
to
employ
hundreds
of
black
and
brown
residents
who
have
been
disproportionately
harmed
by
policing
and
incarceration
and
excluded
from
the
economy.
Civilian
construction
details
can
be
a
pipeline
into
Union
work
for
people
rebuilding
their
lives
after
incarceration.
We
want
women
and
mothers
to
work
these
jobs,
so
they
can
provide
for
their
children.
H
We
want
our
loved
ones
and
our
neighbors
to
work
these
jobs
so
that
they
can
take
care
of
their
families
while
they
take
care
of
our
communities
at
families
for
justice,
as
healing
we're,
reimagining
communities
and
Sashi
will
talk
so
much
more
about
that
approach
to
our
organizing
and
when
we're
asking
the
city
council
to
reallocate
and
reinvest
City
resources
into
community-led
Solutions,
including
these
construction
detail
jobs
as
a
piece
of
that.
So
we
can
really
address
the
root
causes
of
harm
and
create
well-being
in
our
neighborhoods.
H
A
Thank
you,
Mallory
Sashi,
yeah,
guys,
just
just
sorry
so
and
I
should
have
said
this
at
the
start,
so
for
hearings
and
meetings
in
the
city
council.
If
folks
cannot
applaud
and
cheer
and
she'll
yell
things
out
and
stuff
like
that,
we're
trying
to
get
everything
on
the
record.
I
know
the
instinct
is
strong,
but
just
I
wanted
to
stress
that
all
right,
I'm
going
now
to
Sashi
James.
I
I
The
director
of
reimagining
communities,
which
is
an
infrastructure
that
was
created
by
the
people,
to
help
support
to
help
support,
shift
resources
into
communities
most
impacted
by
incarceration.
We
led
a
listening
tour
interviewing
over
150,
directly
impacted
women
and
girls
from
the
from
my
neighborhood
and
Beyond,
and
as
Mallory
mentioned,
our
mission
is
to
end
incarceration
of
women
and
girls,
and
in
order
to
get
to
that
goal,
we
must
also
provide
the
support
on
the
ground
directly
to
the
people.
So
folks
are
not
having
any
interactions
with
incarceration
as
a
whole.
I
After
completing
our
listening
tour,
we
learned
that
women
become
entangled
in
the
system
because
they
could
not
afford
housing
food
to
to
their
children
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
again,
women
become
entangled
in
the
system
because
they
cannot
afford
housing
for
their
children
and
food
for
their
children.
These
are
basic
needs
that
we
all
should
have
equal
access
to
at
as
a
people.
I
It
is
easy
to
say
just
get
a
job,
however,
families
need
jobs
that
provide
unified
income
that
not
only
supports
families
with
the
opportunity
to
provide
housing
and
food
for
their
household,
but
also
an
income
that
allows
families
to
overcome
debt.
I
live
in
the
most
incarcerated
Corridor
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
and
I'm.
Aware
of
the
transgressions
that
happen
in
my
neighborhood,
and
most
of
these
transgressions
are
an
immediate
reflection
of
the
lack
of
support,
resources
and
opportunities.
People
have
in
my
community
police
have
dignified
income
in
Access
and
opportunity.
I
This
is
not
about
taking
a
job
today.
We
understand
that
all
of
you
want
to
be
able
to
provide
for
your
families.
You
want
to
send
your
children
to
college.
You
want
to
live
a
healthy,
thriving
life,
we
get
it,
but
this
is
about
allowing
equal
opportunities
for
all,
starting
with
those
most
impacted,
informally
incarcerated.
It
was
mentioned
today
all
the
harm
that
was
done
in
the
community
last
night
and
as
a
community
organizer
and
a
Community
member
I
know
that
police
don't
create
healthy,
thriving
communities.
I
Healthy
thriving
people
create
healthy,
thriving
communities,
I'm
gonna,
close
out
and
I
just
also
want
to
just
say
imagine
what
we
could
do
in
a
neighborhood
when
we
say
when
we
lead
what
how
we
can
hire
400
community
members
to
do
something
different.
Instead
of
saying
that
we
want
to
hire
400
police
officers,
I
live
in
the
most
incarcerated
Corridor
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
and
I,
get
it
shootings
happen.
I
Family
members
passed
away,
we
are
struggling
in
the
community
and
communities
need
to
have
resources,
and
you
can't
put
a
police
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
predominantly
black
and
brown
and
and
think
that
you're
going
to
get
anything
different.
We
have
been
doing
the
same
system
cycle
for
decades
and
there
has
been
no
change.
We
need
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
provide
the
resources
to
the
people
and
just
the
icing
just
giving
the
icing
off
your
cake
to
be
able
to
help
families
survive?
It's
a
start.
A
J
Hi
everyone,
my
name-
is
Malaysia
Fuller,
State
and
I'm,
a
community
organizer
for
the
Boston,
cyclist,
Union
I'm,
also
a
lifelong
Roxbury
resident
and
went
to
school
in
arguably
Roxbury
bla.
They
say
it's
Dorchester,
but
I
feel
like
it's
Roxbury,
but
yeah
I'm
here
representing
the
Boston
cyclist
Union,
whose
mission
is
to
transform
the
streets
into
safe,
Equitable,
people-centered,
Mobility,
Justice
based
streets
for
all
modes
of
transportation.
J
Unfilled
details
are
less
safe
for
residents
when
there
is
no
one
hoping
to
direct
traffic.
That
means
that
vulnerable
Road
users,
pedestrians,
kids,
cyclists,
the
elderly
people
using
Mobility
devices,
are
at
more
risk
for
harm
and
yeah.
There
are
just
so
many
experiences
I
hear
from
you
know
my
community,
my
constituents
that
I
speak
to
that.
You
know
talk
about
so
like
times
where
there's
there's
you
know,
Construction
in
the
road
and
the
sidewalk
is
also
blocked
off.
So
it's
it's
dewy
cycle
in
the
street
with
cars.
J
J
So
yeah,
okay,
so
this
is
the
civilian
tracker.
Flaming
training
programs
already
exist.
This
wouldn't
be
us
Reinventing,
the
wheel.
This
would
we
have
a
basis
to
build
and
grow
off
of,
and
we
want
to
see
a
civilian
construction
detail
office
that
takes
Ryder
and
pedestrian
safety
and
seriously
and
employs
hundreds
of
Boston
residents
in
Union
jobs,
with
good
pay
and
benefits,
and
this
is
the
way
that
we
will
do
that.
K
Dear
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
Ramada.
Pereira
I
have
lived
in
Boston.
My
whole
life
I've
raised
my
kids
here
and
I'm
invested
in
future
with
my
friends,
family
and
whole
neighborhood
can
grow
Thrive
and
determine
its
own
future.
I
grew
up
in
Bowling
in
Geneva.
I
know.
Everyone
in
my
community
and
I
know
that
preserving
a
neighborhood
culture
where
people
know
and
meet
their
neighbors
as
part
of
what
keeps
communities
safe.
K
Having
people
who
live
in
the
community
work
in
detail
jobs
as
civilian
flag,
as
is
an
essential
part
of
that
infrastructure
of
safety.
People
who
are
looking
after
their
own
neighborhoods,
are
invested
in
ensuring
the
smooth
operations
of
construction
sites,
the
flow
of
traffic,
the
protection
of
vulnerable
people,
what
a
difference
it
would
make
if
people
who
can
speak
all
the
dominant
languages
in
in
the
neighborhood
are
posted
up
at
intersections,
guiding
grandmothers
and
little
kids
across
the
street.
That
is
the
model
of
community
care.
K
We
should
be
striving
for
many
of
Boston's
Most,
under-resourced,
neighborhoods,
especially
communities
of
color,
have
been
largely
cut
out
of
recent
economic
booms
and
development
surges
in
the
city.
We
are
being
priced
out
of
our
neighborhoods
as
new
construction
escalates
all
around
the
city.
Private
companies
profit
off
our
city
without
investing
that
money
Equity
across
our
city
neighborhoods.
K
This
is
an
opportunity
to
reroute
some
of
that
investment
moving
construction,
detailed
jobs
into
a
city
agency
where
private
companies
could
be
financing
the
wages
and
salaries
of
community
members
on
City
payroll
is
part
of
the
needed
work
of
repair
in
our
city.
This
is
a
way
to
grow
the
city
to
serve
all
of
Boston's
neighborhoods,
not
just
new
Elite
spaces
that
are
unreachable
for
people
living
in
Dorchester,
Roxbury
and
Mattapan.
K
I
am
the
founder
and
of
an
organization
called
project
turnaround
that
helps
young
people,
break
away
from
damage
and
patterns
of
behavior
that
harm
themselves
in
our
communities
in
which
they
turn
to,
because
they
don't
see
another
path
out
or
they're,
striving
to
protect
themselves
and
support
their
families.
Economically,
I
have
known
too
many
young
people,
unstably
housed
sleeping
in
the
hallways
of
public
housing
because
they
have
nowhere
else
to
go
and
because
they
can't
find
stable
work.
I
have
also
watched.
Many
young
people
grow
into
their
potential.
K
Securing
union
jobs
and
trades
graduating
from
degree
programs
or
obtaining
certificates
supporting
their
families
I
know
that
part
of
what
it
takes
to
do.
This
is
good
paying
available
jobs
that
do
not
discriminate
on
the
basis
of
a
criminal
record.
Our
city
needs
to
be
create
in
more
permanent
jobs
opportunities
across
of
our
Boston's
communities.
This
is
an
established
paying
path
to
help
people
change
patterns
of
behavior
that
cause
harm
in
this
city,
to
interrupt
the
be
to
interrupt
and
break
cycles
of
violence
and
to
Foster
an
anti-racist
future
for
the
city
of
Boston.
K
I
know
that
young
people
who
have
been
entangled
in
the
criminal
system
up
through
their
20s
and
30s
I,
was
one
of
them.
We
needed
opportunities.
We
still
do
resources
and
a
network
of
people
who
believe
in
them
and
can
invest
in
them.
We
need
more
than
temporary
some
of
Youth
jobs.
The
Boston
Police
Department
is
flush
with
resources,
and
we
hear
all
the
time
how
untainable
it
is
from
bpd's
perspective
for
offices
to
be
working
so
much
overtime.
Even
as
ever.
Every
year,
the
city
council
approves
a
higher
and
higher
overtime
payout.
K
We
can
be
reducing
the
demands
on
police
while
building
up
a
different
kind
of
infrastructure
of
safety
through
middle-class
jobs
for
people
who
will
deeply
invested
and
safely
guiding
and
supporting
their
neighborhoods
neighbors
and
neighborhoods
I'm,
asking
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
city
council
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
create
an
office
for
civilian
construction
details,
so
we
can
employ
hundreds
of
bostonians
with
good
paying
union
jobs.
I
know
from
my
own
work
that
this
path
of
union
jobs
can
give
hope,
stability
and
resources
to
some
of
the
city's
most
vulnerable
Left
Behind
residents.
K
A
A
This
is
from
JC
Burton
CEO
of
Maven
construction
and
the
chair
of
the
Boston
Employment
Commission
good
morning,
city
council,
president
Flynn
committee,
chair,
Bach,
counselor,
Lara,
counselors,
distinguished
guests
and
citizens.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
provide
written
testimony
today.
A
family
matter
with
my
daughter
has
prevented
me
from
being
with
you
in
person.
I
am
Joe
Cole
Burton,
CEO
of
Maven
construction,
a
signatory
construction
company
I
also
have
the
honor
of
serving
as
chairwoman
of
the
Boston
Employment
Commission.
A
However,
I
want
to
share
some
of
my
experiences
with
securing
flaggers
for
construction
details.
Safety
and
Security
are
Paramount
on
all
of
our
construction
projects.
Fortunately,
we
are
contributing
to
the
growth
of
the
city
with
projects
across
common,
the
Commonwealth,
Seaport,
downtown
and
Roxbury
on
all
projects.
We
have
had
challenges.
Nearly
30
percent
of
the
initial
requests
are
delayed
due
to
a
lack
of
availability
of
police
details.
Our
projects
are
often
rescheduling
construction,
Activity,
Road
work
and
deliveries.
A
There
is
an
opportunity
here,
my
firm
Works
in
other
Benchmark
markets,
New
Jersey
and
New
York,
and
we
are
able
to
utilize
well-trained
citizens
in
doing
so.
Those
projects
have
more
flexibility
with
our
construction
deliveries,
better
traffic
control
and,
most
importantly,
we
are
able
to
employ
highly
trained
men
and
women
that
would
otherwise
not
have
jobs.
The
civilian
Flyers
are
considered
a
member
of
our
safety
team,
have
a
better
understanding
of
any
safety
challenges
and
are
committed
to
the
project.
A
Utilizing
civilian
flaggers
would
also
project
an
opportunity
for
these
jobs
to
be
included
in
the
Boston
residents,
jobs
policy
and
increase
the
number
of
Boston
residents
participating
in
our
construction
industry.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Sincerely
Joe
Cole
Burton.
Again,
that's
a
CEO
of
Maven
construction,
all
right
so
having
heard
from
those
panelists
I
am
going
to
turn
to
questions
from
counselors
I'm,
starting
with
the
sponsor
I'll.
Just
note
again
for
my
Council
colleagues
that
when
the
administration
panel
arrives,
we
are
going
to
transition
to
that.
A
So
just
flagging
for
everybody
that
I
may
not
get
around
to
everybody
before
we
make
that
transition
I'm.
Just
very
mindful
that
we've
got
a
bunch
of
people
signed
up
for
public
testimony
and
and
I
want
to
keep
I
want
to
give
everybody
review
respectful
of
everybody's
time,
so
counselor
Lara.
You
have
the
floor.
Thank.
B
B
Let's
say:
do
you
have
information
and
I
know
that
you
have
sent
some
of
this
to
me,
and
so
I
can
also
maybe
make
it
available
about
the
kinds
of
incidents
that
you've
seen.
I
know
that
you've
been
keeping
reporting
or
collecting
this
information
somehow
about
the
kind
of
incidents
that
you
see
happen
around
construction
sites
in
the
city
of
Boston.
H
Sure
I
can
definitely
start
and
I'm
sure
other
panelists
have
thoughts
about
the
the
talk
about
more
officers
on
the
street
for
details
than
how
that
or
does
not
equate
to
safety.
So
Community
organizers
put
together
a
memo
based
on
Research
into
the
nature
of
details
around
construction
sites
and
that
these
are
include
members
of
building
up
people,
not
prisons,
another
organization
of
mostly
residents
of
Boston
who
support
the
mission
of
families
for
justice
as
healing
to
end
the
incarceration
of
women
and
girls.
H
So
we
have
data
from
2019.
We
know
that
in
2019,
BPD,
Worked,
72,
430
shifts
of
construction
details
and
of
those
details.
Volunteers
were
able
to
successfully
geocode
about
52
000
locations
by
running
through
Google
and
mapbox
geocoding,
and
checking
checking
manually
addresses,
with
discrepancies,
so
doing
a
process
of
being
able
to
identify
where
they
happen.
In
the
city
for
an
exact
location,
there
were
87
184
police
incidents
reported
in
2019
and
only
about
25
of
those
incidents
include
precise
data
location.
H
The
number
two
was
property
lost
or
missing.
The
number
three
was
a
simple
assault.
The
number
three
was
investigate
person.
Sorry,
the
number
five
was
investigate
person
so
and
then
farther
down
on
the
list.
You
have
investigate
property
and
then
farther
down.
You
have
sick,
assists
and
multiple
incident,
multiple
different
codes
for
a
sick
or
injured
or
medical
person.
H
So
we're
talking
about
transgressions
that
are
not
significant,
based
on
the
data
that
we
have
and
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
observations
like
field
investigative
observation
reports.
So
what
we're
seeing
happening
so
that
cops
are
there
in
a
surveillance
function
with
community
members
have
said,
is
not
what
they're
interested
in
happening
on
their
block
or
in
their
neighborhood
and
then
in
terms
of
what
residents
could
bring
to
that
as
an
asset.
People
can
be
trained
with
all
types
of
skills,
including
excellent
traffic
direction,
which.
L
H
Certifications
for
in
most
other
states,
as
well
as
basic
Medical,
Care
CPR,
narcanic
Administration
Etc,
that
civilians
are
already
pla.
You
know
already
providing
those
functions
in
a
wide
range
of
other
jobs,
so
certainly
possible
to
imagine
that
well-trained
people
are
totally
equipped
to
handle.
What
we
already
know
is
happening
around
the
construction
sites.
Thank.
B
H
H
B
H
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Lara
go
and
we
I
just
want
to
note
that
we've
been
joined
by
councilor
Tanya,
Fernandez,
Anderson,
Council,
counselor
Murphy
of
the
floor
and
I'll
I'll.
Just
note
that
again,
once
we
have
all
the
administration
panelists
we'll
be
transitioning
over
to
that
panel,
councilor
councilor
Murphy.
C
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
testimony,
just
a
few
questions
and
then
a
couple
statements.
I
guess.
My
question
is:
are
we
all
because
there's
a
staffing
shortage
across
the
country-
and
we
hear
I-
hear
all
the
time
and
I'm
helping
people
get
into
different
unions
and
Workforce
Development
jobs,
and
are
you
also
advocating
like
what?
Why
is
there
a
specific
for
these
flagging
jobs?
C
Are
you
also
making
sure,
because
that
you
know
jobs
for
the
people
that
we're
making
sure
that
people
in
the
city
and
people
that
you
work
with
and
I
know
you're
working
closely
with
people
mostly
affected
here
that
they're
having
access
to
all
jobs?
Why
are
we?
Are
we
only
focusing
on
these
flagging
jobs
of.
K
Course
we're
going
to
access
all
jobs,
any
jobs
that
our
community
and
residents
need
is
what
we're
going
to
advocate
for
if
you
have
a
Nursing
degree
and
that's
what
you
want
we're
going
to
be
in
be
in
BMC
advocating
for
that.
But
right
now
we're
going
to
advocate
for
the
flagging
job,
because
all
you
need
is
a
high
school
diploma.
So
my
community
has
that
at
least.
K
If
we
all
come
from
the
city
of
Boston
I
mean
we
all
should
be
coming
from
the
city
of
Boston
right
with
the
jobs
that
are
in
place
here,
you're
already
having
you
already
have
a
set
salary
that
you
get
for
working
full-time
as
a
BPD
officer
nobody's
hating
on
that,
then
on
top
of
that,
then,
on
top
of
that
you're
getting
overtime
money
and
then
on
top
of
that
you're
getting
money
from
construction
companies,
but
you're
not
willing
to
share
that
with
your
community.
We're
not
a
community,
then.
H
C
K
M
C
Are
graduating
so
many
kids
from
our
BPS
schools
we're
sitting
here
in
the
bowling
building
where
the
school
committee
meets
and
every
year
year
after
year,
there's
many
families
in
this
room
right
now,
I
bet,
you
didn't
send
your
kids!
If
you
didn't,
if
you
had
an
opportunity
not
to
to
go
to
Medco
or
to
go
to
a
charter
school
or
to
have
to
move
out
of.
K
This
I
guarantee
you
I'm
a
mother
of
two
daughters
who
at
Boston
public
school
and
I,
also
graduated
from
the
Jeremiah,
Burke
and
I'm
standing
here
today
to
let
you
know
as
well
that
if
we
don't,
we
could
talk
all
this
school
stuff,
but
if
we
don't
invest
in
these
families,
if
we
don't
invest
it,
the
mothers
and
the
fathers
at
home,
the
kids
are
not
going
to
go
to
school.
Healthy
I
say
that
to
say
also
if
you
look
around
in
the
room
you're.
K
K
A
Out
to
that
too,
Ethan
is
my
mic
working
know.
The
the
topic
on
the
table
today
is
the
civilian
flaggers,
so
I
am
gonna.
I
am
I,
am
gonna
gavel
us
down
if
we
end
up
on
other
topics,
I
understand
we're
in
the
bowling
building
and
there's
a
lot
to
say
about
our
schools
but
I'm,
not
the
chair
of
the
education
committee
and
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
today
so
and.
J
To
be
legal,
first,
the
Boston
police,
no
I,
think
you
got
to
be
legal
before
we
figure
out
what
the
what
you
know,
how
what
their
benefits
will
be.
I
mean
we're
we're
still
in
the
conversation
about
whether
this
is
even
a
thing
we
can.
We
can
do
we
have
hundreds
of
community
members
who
are
ready
to
do
these
jobs,
it's
the
question
of
when
these
jobs
will
be
available
to
them.
J
So
I
think
that
there's
I.
Think.
Of
course,
there
are
a
lot
of
like
you
know
my
new
details
when
it
comes
to
how
exactly
what
how
many
hours
they're
allowed
to
work
or
what
she
which
Union
they'll
be
part
of,
but
for
the
for
the
question
of
this
hearing,
is
you
know
that's
the
idea
of?
Should
this
be
legal
in
the
City
of
Boston,
I
mean
I.
C
L
H
There's
absolutely
the
resources,
it's
incredibly
clear,
with
the
numbers
of
how
much
companies
are
willing
to
pay
for
the
current
people.
Doing
this
work
that
we
can
afford
to
pay
someone
a
salary
and
benefits
for
their
entire
family,
and
also
it's
a
pipeline
into
even
more
Union
work
which,
by
the
way,
is
dignified
regardless
list
of
your
education
or
regardless
of
what
union
that
you're
working
for
you.
H
Establishing
it
so
many
of
our
people
struggle
with
you
need
a
job
to
get
a
job.
This
is
an
absolute
opportunity
to
put
people
in
work
instead
of
struggling
and
suffering
for
years
at
an
income
that
doesn't
put
food
on
their
table
to
have
a
dignified
income,
have
the
brother
and
Sisterhood
of
a
union
and
have
opportunities
to
continue
building
your
professional
career
after
that,
and
then
you
open
up
the
spot
behind
you
to
the
next
person
who
needs
it.
L
A
I'm
going
next
to
counselor
Lou
John
before
I.
Do
I
just
want
to
acknowledge:
we've
been
joined
by
superintendent,
eddings
and
I
believe
Captain
Hamilton
we're
just
waiting
on
chief
of
streets,
Yasha,
Franklin,
Hodge
and
then
once
he's
here
we'll
do
the
administration
panel
all
together,
councilor
Louie
gen.
You
have
the
floor.
Thank.
A
D
Thank
you,
councilor
back
and
I
want
to
thank
all
the
panelists
for
coming
here
for
your
work
and
also
for
your
courage.
Just
want
to
say
that
a
lot
of
people
are
very
intentional
about
investing
in
our
public
goods
like
public
education,
my
parents
very
intentionally
made
sure
I
went
to
Public
Schools,
even
though
there's
pressure
for
other
options,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
part
of
the
problems
that
we
see
in
our
communities
is
when
we
have
people
defaulting
out
of
these
public
goods.
D
And
it's
really
important
for
us
to
put
our
resources
in
these
Investments
that
we
all
share,
so
that
we
don't
so
that
we
can
further
build
up
our
resources
rather
than
choosing
to
privatize
Goods
right.
That
is
the
problem.
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
really
encouraged
by
what
you
said
is
that
these
jobs
can
also
be
a
way
or
what
I'm,
taking
from
what.
What
you
all
are
saying
is
that
these
jobs
can
also
be
a
form
of
expression,
of
love
and
and
community
support
for
the
folks
who
are
working
these
jobs.
D
And
so,
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
what
that
looks
like
why
this
would
also
not
just
be
a
dignified
job,
why
this
would
not
just
be
creating
opportunities,
but
this
is
a
a
a
possibility
of
sort
of
community
ownership
of
what
our
streets
and
what
safety
looks
like
in
our
communities.
That
would
be
great
and
the
romelda.
You
talked
about
your
work
with
project
turnaround
and
the
obstacles
that
people
often
face
when
it
comes
to
getting
jobs.
D
I
I
think
it's
really
important
for
folks
to
understand
how
hard
it
is
for
folks,
especially
folks,
who
are
formerly
incarcerated,
to
to
reintegrate
back
into
society
and
the
barriers
that
they
face.
So
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
you've
seen
there
in
terms
of
the
employment
barriers
of
folks
who
are
are
returning
home,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
K
A
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
Quarry
laws
and
stuff
that
are
being
in
place
and
what
I've
learned
through
doing
this
work
with
the
past
administration?
Is
it's
not
even
about
what
you
know
it's
about
who
you
know
so
shout
out
to
Marty
Walsh
he
created
operation
exit,
which
is
a
program
that
we
use
to
help
get
young
men
and
women
off
the
streets
out
of
that
gang
life.
Whatever
have
you
who
are
formerly
incarcerated?
K
And
we
took
those
same
group
of
people
and
those
guys
today
and
a
couple.
Women
are
now
in
construction,
jobs,
owning
homes
out
the
city
out
the
way,
and
you
barely
hear
from
them.
They
got
married
living
a
successful
life.
So
that's
what
that
looks
like
and
it's
just
not
about
giving
them
jobs
what
he
created
is
he
also
brought
us
in
and
that's
how
I
got
to
be
part
of
operation
exit
as
mentors
as
sponsors
is
what
they
called
this.
K
So
you
brought
us
in
and
we
served
as
mentors
and
it
also
we
prepare
provided
Mental
Health
Services,
just
a
phone
call
when
sometimes
people
need
it,
whatever
have
you
and
help
actually
relocate
these
guys
outside
the
city.
Some
of
them
still
live
in
the
city.
Those
who
can't
outside
the
city
and
they're
doing
great
work
today.
So
can
it
happen?
Yes
has
it
happened?
I
So
I
think
that
it's
also
important
when
we
talk
about
love
in
the
community
and
having
people
have
dignified
income,
but
also
be
in
their
Community.
You
know
the
culture
in
here
today
is
overwhelming
and
that
bringing
that
culture
into
our
community
only
causes
more
harm
and
y'all
the
police,
culture
and
the
community.
Culture
is
two
different
cultures
and.
F
I
Two,
it's
two
different
Financial
brackets.
It's
two
different
mentalities.
It's
just
separate,
and
this
is
a
room
full
of
people
that
were
hired
to
protect
and
serve
and
support
the
people.
Yet
y'all
are
kind
of
like
having
this
like
straight
arm
twisted
like
if,
like
we're
at
war
with
each
other
and.
I
Other
hold
on
bro
we're
not
at
war
with
each
other,
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
provide
the
same
resources
that
y'all
have
to
our
family
and
our
community?
It's,
not
your
community!
We're
not
going
to
your
community
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
do
we
eat
in
our
own
neighborhood
and
I'm.
I
That
is
if
we
give
people
the
opportunity-
and
you
know
you
talked
about
what
an
infrastructure
looks
like
the
same
way,
that
BPD
created
an
infrastructure
to
put
people
on
payroll
is
the
same
way
that
the
people
can
create
an
infrastructure
to
put
people
on
payroll,
and
we
just
need
the
resources
and
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
And
that's
where
the
love
and
the
happiness
then
follows,
because
people
are
now
happy
because
they're
feeding
their
family
they're
now
happy
because
they're
paying
their
rent
and
maybe
sending
their
kids
to
college.
K
K
Kids,
Grandma
does
everybody
and
then
you
could
get
to
come
out
your
house
and
get
to
see
me
I
know
the
young
boys
I
know
the
people
who
are
causing
harm
and
who
are
not,
and
then
you
get
to
see
that
person
every
day
when
you
walk
out
your
house,
that
person
is
on
boarding
in
Geneva
directing
traffic
good
morning
to
you
and
all
that
opposed
to
someone
you
may
not
never
know
they
don't
speak
to
you.
Let's
be
honest,
then
change
that
because
they
don't
speak
to
you,
I
have
videos
in
my
phone.
K
D
Thank
you
Sashi
and
Ronaldo
for
your
answers.
Just
one
small
follow-up
question
is:
is
there
anybody
on
the
panel
really
can
you
offer
like
we
are
behind
the
eight
ball
and
here
when
we're
talking
about
civilian
Flagger
jobs?
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
the,
why
behind
that
and
demystify
for
folks
who
may
not
understand
or
look
or
if
you
have
a
sense
of
a
comparative
lens,
for
you
know
what
implementation
looked
like
in
another
city,
that
would
be
helpful.
I.
K
Think
we've
give
a
tons
of
reasons
why,
in
our
own
testimonies
and
the
questions
we
answered
in
the
back
and
forth,
we
gave
tons
of
reasons
why
I
want
to
know
why?
Not,
why
not
give
a
mom?
Why
not
give
a
father
that
opportunity
to
help
support
their
families?
Why
not
give
a
family
who's
lived
in
Boston
for
five
generations,
an
opportunity
to
keep
their
families
growing
and
staying
in
Boston
and
now
moving
to
Fall
River,
where
they
can't
afford?
K
H
You
know
that
it's
the
norm
in
other
places
and
there's
different
models.
So
in
some
places
there
are
some
details
worked
by
officers
and
some
details
worked
by
residents
and
in
in
places
like
we've
talked
to
Sisters
through
the
National
Council
for
incarcerated
and
formally
incarcerated
women
and
girls
I
mean
we
know
in
Maine.
H
The
same
thing:
it's
the
difference
when
a
person
that
we
that
we
organized
with
that
wanted
to
be
here
today
was
working
is
had
to
go
work
in
another
another
cities
in
order
to
be
a
crossing
guard.
So
just
like
people
have
to
go
somewhere
else
from
Boston
they're
being
forced
out
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
here
being
and
have
to
go
other
places
to
get
to
get
income
to
pay
their
family.
So
major
problem
that.
A
A
A
A
O
O
So
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
this
is
an
issue.
So,
first
of
all,
construction
projects,
as
I
think
we
all
know
disrupt
the
flow
of
traffic.
It
sometimes
involves
closing
Lanes
or
streets,
shifting
pedestrians
or
bicycles
or
Vehicles
onto
different
Paths
of
travel
than
what
they're
used
to
and
they
can
create
unusual
or
constricted
conditions
at
intersections.
O
So
what
we
do-
and
this
is
both
the
public
works
and
the
Boston
Transportation
departments-
our
goal-
is
to
ensure
safety
at
construction
sites,
and
this
is
a
multi-step
process.
It
starts
by
planning
for
how
pedestrian,
cyclists
and
vehicles
will
safely
move
around
the
construction
site.
A
lot
of
this
involves
physical
tools,
Jersey
barriers,
cones
barricades
barrels.
All
the
things
you
see
outside
every
day.
Signage
is
also
very
important.
O
It
helps
people,
it
helps,
guide
people
around
things
and
away
from
things
where
they
shouldn't
be,
but
beyond
these
physical
changes,
sometimes
some
locations
necessitate
having
one
or
more
people
who
are
actively
managing
traffic
at
the
locations.
This
includes
the
movement
of
construction
vehicles
as
well
as,
as,
as
you
know,
everyday
Travelers
in
Boston.
This
is
done
with
police
details.
O
It
is
especially
important
to
have
this
on
major
arteries
at
high
conflict
locations
enduring
times
of
day,
where
there's
a
very
high
volume
of
traffic,
so
the
primary
tool,
or
one
of
the
primary
tools
we
use
for
this
is
what
are
called
traffic
management
plans.
So,
whether
it's
a
city
project
or
a
private
project,
that's
impacting
public
streets
companies
are
our
contractors
are
required
to
submit
and
get
approval
for
a
traffic
management
plan,
and
this
involves
looking
at
all
the
factors.
O
I
just
mentioned
the
physical
changes,
the
human
factors,
BTD
reviews
the
traffic
and
approves
traffic
management
plans,
and
because
we
use
police
details
in
Boston,
we
frequently.
In
fact,
the
majority
of
our
traffic
management
plans,
require
police
details
to
be
on
site
as
part
of
the
traffic
control
strategy.
O
Companies
will
also
sometimes
request
details
on
their
own
if
they're,
faced
with
a
situation
that
maybe
wasn't
in
the
traffic
plan,
but
that
creates
a
safety
concern
for
them.
So,
overall
the
City
reviews
and
approves
approximately
60
000
traffic
management
plans
a
year,
eighty
percent
of
which
require
a
detail.
Many
of
these
are
for
minor
projects.
Some
of
them
are
for
very
major
and
very
disruptive
projects.
So
the
problem
that
we
face
is
that
many
construction
details
go
unfilled.
O
We
don't
have
exact
data
on
this
because
we
are
not
sort
of
in
the
line
of
actually
assigning
details
right.
We
we
tell
contractors
they
need
to
get
a
detail.
They
work
directly
with
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
fill
those
details.
When
we
hear
about
it,
it's
usually
because
either
one
of
our
contractors
calls
us
and
says
hey.
We
can't
get
the
detail,
we
need,
or
we
observe
a
safety
or
congestion
issue
or
the
issues.
Elevated
To,
Us
by
a
constituent.
O
One
of
the
tools
we
have
is
mousse.
These
are
executed
by
construction
companies
with
please
the
police
department
in
order
to
upgrade
detail
work
from
a
traditional
detail
to
a
higher
overtime
rate.
This
creates
the
opportunity
for
police
leadership
to
order
mandatory
over
time
to
fill
those
at
those
locations.
This
can
be
a
very
valuable
tool,
but
even
with
this
ability
to
do,
mousse
we've
seen
situations
where
there's
still
insufficient
BPD
staff
available
to
fulfill
those
mandatory
overtime
requirements
without
having
triple
shifts
stacked
one
on
top
of
another.
O
So
we've
had
situations
in
which
we
have
requested
of
BPD
and
mou
and
they've
said
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
fulfill
this,
even
if
we
executed
the
mou.
The
other
issue
with
these
is
that
state-funded
projects
which
in
state
constructed
projects
these
are
massdot.
Typically,
that
touch
city
streets,
and
there
are
a
fair
number
of
these
that
happen
in
the
city.
O
The
state
is
understand,
statutory
requirement
that
they
not
pay
above
the
detail
rate,
and
so
they
are
not
able
to
enter
into
these
mousse,
which
means
they're,
sometimes
significant,
projects
on
major
streets
that
can't
be
for
which
this
tool
is
not
available
to
us.
Two
examples
that
I'll
give
and
then
I'll
wrap
up.
The
first
is
the
North
Washington
Street
Bridge
Project,
the
much
delayed
North
Washington
Street
Bridge
Project
between
CUNY
square
and
City
Square
Downtown
in
Charlestown.
O
This
is,
if
anyone
who's
spent
time
down
there
during
rush
hour.
It
is
a
mess.
You
have
cars
blocking
intersections.
You
have
a
school
there.
You
have
people
struggling
to
get
across
the
street
safely
and
for
quite
a
while.
We
struggled
to
get
detailed
support
in
that
location.
The
Detail
hours
were
not
particularly
were
not
ideal.
It's
it's
hard
work
at
that
location
and
we're
finding
that
many
of
the
afternoon
details
were
going
unfilled.
O
In
this
case,
even
though
it
is
a
massdot-constructed
project,
we
were
able
to
negotiate
it
to
have
an
upgrade
to
mandatory
overtime,
to
establish
an
mou.
This
was
made
possible
because
the
city
is
actually
funding
this
project,
even
though
it's
being
constructed
by
massdot
and
we
were
able
to
have
the
city
essentially
pay
the
difference
to
the
contractor,
rather
than
have
that
route
through
massdot,
which
was
a
way
to
get
around
the
statutory
restriction
there.
That
has
been
helpful
in
terms
of
getting
more
officers
there.
O
Although
I
will
not
say
that
the
situation
there
is
resolved.
The
second
situation
that
we
had
this
year
was
related
to
the
Reconstruction
of
the
Dalton
Street
bridge
in
Back
Bay.
This
is
a
project
to
fix
aging
bridge
over
the
turnpike,
and
it
requires
closure
of
the
bridge
for
periods
of
time,
either
in
part
or
in
full.
During
this
time
this
summer,
during
construction,
we
found
that
none
of
our
detail
shifts
for
the
overnight
work
that
we
were
doing
were
being
filled.
O
We
proposed
an
mou
at
that
location,
but
we're
told
that
they
couldn't
fulfill
an
mou
without
ordering
triple
tours,
and
so,
ultimately,
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
police
captain
for
the
district
to
assign
officers
on
regular
duty
to
be
stationed
by
that
location
during
times
of
day
when
they
were
not
responding
to
a
call.
That
was
sufficient
for
us
to
allow
the
construction
to
continue
at
that
location,
but
we
were
very
close
to
having
to
Halt
a
major
construction
project
over
the
pike.
O
I
think
post-red
Sox
game,
probably
inebriated,
who
in
one
case
ended
up
in
an
altercation
with
the
construction
crew
and
after
several
of
these
instances,
they
said
we
can't
work.
Our
crews
are
not
safe
here.
If
we
do
not
have
these
details
on
site.
That
was
how
he
kind
of
arrived
to
the
point
where
we
really
needed
to
escalate
it
to
this.
O
But
these
are
both
examples
of
City
projects,
crucial
safety
locations,
where
the
need
for
police
details
and
the
unfilled
police
details
ultimately
created
a
barrier
for
us
to
be
able
to
safely
continue
work
in
the
city,
so
I'll
end
by
just
saying:
I
have
two
goals.
The
first
is
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
see
full
Staffing
of
details
at
construction
projects
where
active
traffic
management
is
essential
for
Public
Safety
and
two
is
to
the
extent
that
there
are
limited
resources.
O
P
A
P
P
P
Okay,
this
better
okay,
again
good
morning,
my
name
is
Marcus
eddings
I'm,
a
superintendent
with
the
Boston
Police
Department
I'm
assigned
to
the
police
commissioner's
office
and
I
currently
oversee
to
pay
detailed
assignment
unit.
I
want
to
thank
the
city,
council
and
the
community
members
for
allowing
us
to
come
here
and
speak
about
construction
details.
P
P
The
paid
detail
is
an
official
Department
assignment
those
officers
performing
a
paid
detail
assignment
are
first
and
foremost
employees
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
offices
have
the
primary
responsibility
of
enforcing
the
laws
and
com
of
the
Commonwealth
City
wartness,
and
protecting
the
safety
of
the
public
paid.
Details
of
voluntary
assignments
then
ensure
the
safety
of
pedestrians,
motorists,
bicyclists
and
workers
on
or
near
work
sites
to
provide
crowd,
control
security,
traffic
direction
at
work
sites,
sporting
and
Civic
events.
P
The
advantages
to
having
police
officers
to
perform
details
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
some
of
the
key
advantages
of
using
police
officers
is
not
only
the
obvious
Public
Safety
benefits,
but
also
having
additional,
privately
funded
300
plus
offices
per
day
on
the
streets
for
added
safety.
Each
officer
is
equipped
with
radios
for
instant
communication
with
EMS
and
fire
the
equipment
Narcan
for
instances
where
there
may
be
an
overdose.
P
All
offices
have
CPR
and
first
responder
training
all
have
training
to
respond
to
Crime
issues,
natural
disasters,
domestic
disturbances,
mental
health
or
other
issues
that
can
occur
in
a
public
detail
site.
They
will
also
have
access
to
databases
to
move
civilian
vehicles
that
block
work
sites
rather
than
at
home,
which
would
at
would
add
added
costs
and
expenses
to
community
members
who
would
have
to
reclaim
their
motor
vehicles
from
the
toe
using
police
officers
has
the
benefit
of
being
the
most
cost
effective
option
as
well.
P
Essentially,
Boston
police
officers
are
per
diem
workers
at
construction
details.
They
do
not
have
the
additionary
Legacy
costs
such
as
pensions,
Health,
Care,
long-term
costs
that
will
cause
fiscal
deficit
to
the
city,
and
also
offices
do
not
receive
paid
sick
time,
vacation
time,
workers,
comp
injury
liability
or
other
ancillary
benefits
that
would
be
required
by
using
civilians,
others
performing
a
role
of
full-time
job.
P
The
current
prevailing
wage
requires
compensation
that
the
statement
and
state
mandated
hourly
wage.
The
current
amount
is
50.42
per
hour
according
to
mass.gov
site
in
the
Department
of
Labor.
That
cost
is
higher
than
a
BPD
rate
of
46
dollars
an
hour.
The
50.42
per
hour
rate
does
not
factor
in
any
ancillary
costs
that
could
be
incurred
from
seasonal
unemployment,
injury
injuries
or
workers,
comp
pay
paid,
leave,
replacement
costs
and
other
common
Personnel
related
costs
associated
with
wage
work.
P
Construction
is
basically
seasonal
work
when
seasonal
construction
work
drastically
declines
during
the
late
fall
or
winter
months.
Police
officers
can
because
of
their
per
diem
status,
are
not
eligible
for
unemployment
or
any
other
lost
wage
compensation.
They're
not
laid
off
like
other
seasonal
workers
in
the
construction
industry.
This
void's
paying
costly
unemployment
costs
which
would
have
been
diverted
to
pay
comply
with
federal
and
state
labor
laws.
This
diverted
cost
could
potentially
hurt
funding
for
education
programs
and
other
City
expenditures,
there's
also
a
value-added
contribution
to
using
police
officers
and
construction
sites.
P
P
We're
looking
forward
to
streamlining
administrative
costs
to
make
it
more
efficient
and
it
always
will
open
suggestions
from
the
public
and
elect
officials.
We
welcome
your
input
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
any
issues
in
the
future.
Thank
you
and
we'll
be
allowed
to
ask
you
any
questions.
Q
I
also
work
at
the
I
also
work
for
the
office
of
the
police.
Commissioner,
I.
Don't
have
a
lot
to
add
to
what
superintendent
Eddie
said.
I
work
for
superintendent,
Innings
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
what
he
said.
I
will
say
this
myself.
I
will
speak
for
myself
and
for
many
of
the
folks
on
both
sides
of
this
issue.
In
this
room
I'm,
a
member
of
this
community
I
live
in
South.
Boston
I've
lived
there.
My
whole
life
I
coach,
youth
hockey
there
I
coach
little
league
there.
Q
A
Thank
you
Captain.
In
deference
to
the
colleagues
who
didn't
get
to
ask
on
the
first
panel,
I
am
going
to
I'm
going
to
start
in
the
middle,
like
I'm,
going
to
start
with
counselor
Baker
and
keep
going
and
then
I'll
come
back
and
we've
been
joined
by
councilor
Ricardo
Arroyo
District
Five
before
I
go
to
counselor
questions,
I,
just
gonna
very
quickly
read
the
names
of
folks
who
I
have
signed
up
to
testify
and
the
reason
I'm
going
to
do.
A
That
is
because,
if
you
don't
hear
me
read
your
name,
then
I
don't
have
you
right
now,
so
I
just
want
a
flag
for
anybody,
who's,
hoping
to
testify
that
if
you're
not
on
this
list,
well
counselors
are
doing
questions
for
the
panel.
You
should
go
and
sign
up
in
the
back
and
then
that'll
get
carried
up
to
me.
A
So
the
people
I've
got
on
the
list
so
far:
Larry
Calderon
Kevin
Donahue,
Maria,
Rodriguez,
Mario,
Rodriguez,
Fatima,
Ahmed,
Tatiana,
Rodriguez,
Olivia
and
Jose
Diaz
Garnet
Brown,
David,
Williams,
De,
Anza,
cook
Jarrell,
laronal
Mina
is
Elizabeth
Rucker
George,
Lee,
Chad,
Easter
and
Janaya
Knoll.
So
those
are
the
names
that
I
had
as
of
when
these
sheets
were
brought
up
to
me
a
few
minutes
ago.
A
So,
if
you
didn't
hear
your
name
and
you
do-
and
you
are
going
to
want
to
do
public
testimony
make
sure
to
write
on
the
sheet
in
the
back
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
more
time.
I
know:
we've
got
a
full
house,
but
if
we
can
keep
the
lane
to
that
doorway
clear.
So
if
you're,
if
you're
in
it,
if
you
can
find
somewhere
else
to
be
just
so
that
we've
got
the
lane
out,
that
that
exit
clear
for
everybody.
A
E
P
E
Okay,
because
I
know
I
had
an
issue
at
at
Pope
John
Paul
up
in
up
in
Saint
Greg's
Lower
Mills
there
at
where
The
Crossing
God
got
hit
by
a
cause
on
two
different
incidents
and
were
unable
to
fill
that
Crossing,
God
and
I
was
told
that
we
have,
maybe
you
know,
Yasha
had
20
openings
and
so
for
crossing
gods.
If
maybe
we
could
get
an
answer
on
that
Yasha,
you
said
66
000
construction
management
plans.
Can
you
break
those?
So
six?
E
O
So
I
don't
have
an
exact
breakdown
for
you.
I'd
be
happy
to
get
some
of
that
data
and
get
it
to
you
separately.
Ultimately,
the
many
of
these
plans.
Most
of
these
plans
are
filed
in
the
context
of
a
private
contractor
who
may
be
working
on
behalf
of
the
city
or
maybe
working
on
behalf
of
a
utility
or
a
construction
project,
so
they're,
typically
the
ones
who
are
going
through
the
permitting
process
but
I'd
be
happy
to
get
you.
E
O
True,
we
have,
you
know
it's,
it's
obviously
a
different
relationship.
If
the
public
works
department
is
doing
a
street
resurfacing
yeah,
we
always
have
the
there's
that
direct
line
of
communication
between
the
contractor
and
the
city
that
sometimes
makes
it
easier
for
us
to
identify
a
situation
that
needs
a
detailed
issue,
elevated
or
where
there's
a
pedestrian
path
of
travel
issue.
We
can
kind
of
more
quickly
get
those
things
resolved,
but
they're
generally,
in
the
same
bucket.
E
And
if
this
were,
and
if
this
were
to
you
know,
become
an
ordinance
and
Report
out
favorably
and
all
that
stuff,
what
would
that
look
like
for
you
to
I?
Think
I?
Think
the
previous
panel
I
had
the
question,
but
we
had
to
move
it
along
I
think
they
had
40
or
50
new
employees,
which
would
be
standing
up
for
health,
insurance
and
and
I
I
believe
I.
Believe
anybody
working
needs
to
have
all
those
benefits,
I'm
I'm
36
years
in
the
city.
Now.
E
O
Yeah,
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
done
that
so
I
don't
know
that
we
have
the
answer
to
that
question.
I
think
a
lot
would
depend
on
details
of
how
a
program
was
set
up,
what
expectations
there
were
related
to
employment
status,
and
you
know
that
is
in
fact
I
think
also
a
question
of
whether
or
not
this
becomes
a
city
Department
versus
something
that
is
a
service,
that's
provided
by
either
private
employers
or
someone
else
altogether.
E
O
Everything
from
a
hokie
to
an
engineer
we
have,
you
know
we
have
jobs
that
are,
you
know,
require,
have
very
low
base
requirements
for
entry
jobs
that
require,
for
example,
a
commercial
driver's
license
or
hoisting
license,
but
which
don't
require
any
particular
formal
education,
and
we
have
jobs
that
require
extensive,
formal
training.
So
it
really
spans
the
gamut,
and
we
have
openings
across
the
board.
Okay,.
E
Guys
already
have
all
your
benefits
and
everything,
so
we
wouldn't
need
to
pay
for
that
so
traditionally
in
it
not
traditionally,
because
it's
not
traditional
in
Boston
but
across
the
country
or
wherever
we're
going
to
look
what
what
I?
What
is
a
civilian
flag
is
a
civilian
flag
coming
in
Boston,
going
to
make
46
dollars
an
hour.
E
P
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Sorry,
thank
you.
I
spoke
too
soon
on
my
timer
working
appropriately,
but
then
thank
you.
Counselor
Baker
and
just
so
folks
know
the
order
it'll
be
councilor.
Mejia
president
Flynn
Council,
Fernandez,
Henderson,
councilor
Arroyo
and
then
come
back
up
to
the
top
to
the
sponsor
Laura
Murphy
luigien
I'll
I'll
probably
try
to
cut
in
at
some
point,
but
I'll
try
to
get
get
to
all
my
colleagues.
First
counselor
Mania.
You
have
the
floor.
I.
F
Bet
you,
the
time
is
working
now.
That
is
my
turn
all
right.
So
just
thank
you
so
much
for
for
being
here.
I
just
want
to
name
a
few
things.
You
talked
about
at
no
cost
to
the
city
in
terms
of
what
the
the
details
have,
but
I
would
say
that
it
may
be
of
no
cost
to
the
city,
but
it
is
at
the
expense
of
folks
who
can
actually
be
holding
these
jobs
down.
F
So
there
is
a
cost
and
that
cost
is
at
the
expense
of
those
who
are
underemployed.
So
just
want
to
kind
of
encourage
us
to
kind
of
look
at
what
the
opportunity
is
here.
So
I
just
want
to
name
that
and
the
other
piece
that
and
I
will
ask
a
question,
but
I
want
to
just
take
my
time
here,
because
I
didn't
get
a
I
didn't
get
an
opportunity
to
talk
with
the
community
panel
that
I
find
it
really
challenging.
F
And
if
it's
fifty
dollars
an
hour,
it's
fifty
dollars
an
hour
like.
Let's
not
look
at
this,
as
as
a
reason
why
we
wouldn't
support
this
program,
so
so
I
just
want
to
name
that
and
then
I
want
to
ask
a
quick
question.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
implementation
because
about
implementation,
what
would
it
look
like
for
the
Department
Chief
Hodges?
F
O
Yeah
I
mean,
unfortunately,
we
have
not
done
the
analysis
to
be
able
to
give
you
Clarity
on
what
those
implementation
steps
would
be
I.
Think
again
a
lot.
You
know,
as
I
said
in
response
to
your
colleague's
question.
A
lot
of
this
would
depend
on
the
specifics
of
whatever
ordinance
was
passed.
It
would
depend
on
legal
analysis
related
to
prevailing
wage.
It
would
depend
on
the
goals
that
we
set
out
for
the
program.
F
F
And
then,
let's
talk
about
overtime
and
details
right,
we
talk
about
the
social
and
emotional
and
mental
well-being
of
officers,
and
if
we're
doing
you
know
overtime
in
their
details,
is
there
any
correlation
about
the
number
of
hours
officers
are
working
with
in
their
normal?
You
know
nine
to
five
and
then
how
many
hours
are
allocated
towards
the
details.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
Q
So
we
we
have
restrictions.
The
department
has
restrictions
on
the
number
of
hours
that
our
officers
are
allowed
to
work,
and
that
has
been
a
goal.
It's
actually
gone
down
at
one
point
was
96
hours
a
week.
It's
now
down
to
90.,
it's
also
dictated
as
far
as
daily,
only
up
to
16
hours
a
day
and
what
Chief
Hodge
referred
to
earlier.
Q
This
summer
we
were
ordering
offices
for
a
third
shift
and
contractually
and
legally
the
department
is
able
to
do
that,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
feedback
in
the
press
and
it
was
decided
that
in
the
best
interest
of
everyone's
Health
that
the
department
would
not
order
people
for
a
third
tour
and
have
them
working
for
three
shifts
in
a
row.
So,
yes,
short
answer
to
your
question,
is
yes,
yeah.
Q
R
Q
I,
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
alleviate
the
pro
the
it's
not
going
to
implement
the
improvements
that
we're
trying
to
make
in
the
system
and
for
the
reasons
that
the
superintendent
already
enumerated,
the
advantage
of
having
a
paid
sworn
Boston
police
officer
there
I
don't
deny
that
there
are
folks
who
are
underemployed
in
this
city.
I
said:
I
grew
up
in
the
city.
My
whole
life
went
to
Public
Schools.
We
still
live
here.
I,
don't
deny
that
there
are
people
that
are
underemployed.
Q
P
F
P
Right
what
I'm
I'm
trying
to
answer
is
you
you
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
when
you
stated
that
with
civilian
flag
has
reduced
the
amount
of
hours
that
officers
have
to
work?
What
I'm
saying
is
that
details
are
voluntary,
so
you're
not
forced
to
work
a
detail.
You
are
forced
to
work
overtime
at
times,
so
you
may
you
may
work
your
regular
shift
and
if
the
next
shift
in
a
particular
district
is
going
to
fall
short
of
those
offices,
then
you
can
be
ordered
to
work.
P
Q
Go
ahead
and
finish
if
I
can
just
give
you
a
couple
of
examples,
right
so
say,
for
example,
the
St
Patrick's
Day
Parade
right
or
the
Caribbean
Festival,
which
requires
a
huge
amount
of
Manpower
from
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
requires
ordering
offices
to
work
overtime.
Those
are
examples
of
where
we
need
more
offices
so
that
we
don't
have
to
order
people
to
work
when
they
have
not
volunteered
to
work
and
if
you
take
an
event
like
the
St
Patrick's,
Day
Parade
or
the
Caribbean
Festival.
A
G
G
P
Oh
absolutely
those
those
318
officers
like
I
said
is
voluntary
work
right,
but
by
having
those
officers
on
the
street,
they
can
respond
to
specific
incidents
like
assault
and
batteries
in
progress,
domestic
issues,
traffic
accidents,
anything
in
the
general
vicinity.
Their
job
for
first
and
foremost,
is
a
Boston
police
officer.
G
G
But
the
police
officers
in
this
city
want
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
neighborhoods.
They
have
a
long
time,
commitment
to
the
city
and
I
think
I
think
they
want
to
make
sure
that
we
work
together.
We
treat
each
other
with
respect.
We
listen
to
our
our
neighbors,
but
they
they
have.
They
play
a
critical
role,
not
not
only
in
building
strong
neighborhoods
but
Public
Safety
wise.
They
play
a
critical
role
when
I
go
to
a
when
I
go
to
a
community
meeting
which
I
do
almost
every
night.
G
The
first
person
that
would
speak
normally
at
a
at
a
community
meeting
is
the
captain
and
the
captain
would
give
crime
stats
or
if
it's
not,
the
captain
would
be
the
CSO.
The
Community
Service
Officer,
giving
crime
stats
so
what's
happening
in
a
particular
neighborhood.
The
South
End
Chinatown,
downtown
South
Boston,
where
I
represent
I
I,
would
usually
speak
after
the
captain.
But
you
know
the
the
residents
have
bought
the
residents
that
I
speak
with.
G
They
would
always
say
captain.
We
appreciate
the
work
you
do.
What
we're
asking
for
is
more
police
on
the
streets.
We
we
respect
the
work
you
do,
but
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
on
the
streets
of
Boston
in
our
neighborhoods
and
as
as
referenced
earlier,
police
are
forced
to
work
16
hours
a
day,
sometimes
six,
seven
days
a
week.
The
first
conversation
I
had
with
the
commissioner
was
about
police
officers
that
literally
worked
24-hour
shifts,
but
it.
But
to
me
it
shows
us
that
we
don't
have
enough
police
offices
in
Boston.
G
We
need
to
consistently
hire,
in
my
opinion,
400
police
officers
every
year
for
the
next
10
15
years,
with
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
retirements
taking
place.
So
again,
just
want
to
thank
the
piano
for
being
here.
I
thank
the
police
that
are
here,
the
patrolmen
Association,
but
also
thank
the
community
for
a
respectful
dialogue
that
I
see
taking
place
here
today.
Thank
you.
P
Councilor
so
I'm
sure,
just
based,
based
on
your
question,
about
how
many
offices
we've
been
losing
on
the
street
on
a
daily
basis.
I
have
I
pulled
some
some
reports
of
examples
when
officers
went
on
details
and
intervened
in
in
a
particular
situation
and
actually
help
people
out
there's
about
10
here.
P
You
know,
for
example,
there's
one
domestic
violence.
Radio
call
officers
responded
to
a
radio
call
for
assault
and
battery
along
with
the
Frank
Frank
Fox
499.
Basically,
they
were
flagged
down.
The
a
description
of
such
sick
was
put
out
and
they
were
able
to
find
that
particular
suspect.
That's
from
a
detailed
officer.
We
have
other
ones
where
accidents
where
the
offices,
aided
with
with
the
victims
in
in
that
crash,
we
have
ones
where
there
have
been
drugs
involved,
where
officers
assisted
with
the
drug
investigation,
where
they
ended
up
apprehending
an
individual.
P
P
This
one
is
for
commercial
alarm,
a
store
being
vandalized.
They
responded
to
that
and
assisted
so
I
mean
I
want
to
go
through
them
all.
But
those
are
the
type
of
situations
where
you
have
a
detailed
officer
on
the
street
and
if
they're
in
that
vicinity,
they
their
responsibility
is
not
to
stay
with
that
detail.
They
had
to
go
and
assist
with
whatever
incident.
That's
going
on
at
that
particular
time.
A
S
Thank
you
so
much
Madam
chair,
just
my
apologies
to
the
lead,
sponsor
and
Madam
chair
I,
do
have
to
leave
right
after
my
comments
or
questions
I.
Just
you
know,
I
I
want
to
hopefully
address
the
officers
in
the
room
today,
because
I
I
do
acknowledge
that
the
culture
between
civilians
and
officers
is
one
of
tension,
and
when
you
look
at
this
room,
it
doesn't
actually.
S
The
demographics
here
actually
does
not
reflect
a
population
in
Boston,
so
that
in
itself
is
troubling,
but
I
do
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
understand
that
your
job
is
a
difficult
one,
and
that
is
a
job
of
service
and
that
we
appreciate
and
thank
you
for
your
service
first
and
foremost.
Secondly,
with
the
idea
of
increasing
400,
as
my
Council
colleague
president
Flynn
mentioned
400
officers,
I.
Guess,
let's
break
that
down.
If
we
were
to
increase
that
what
is
the
current
salary
of
the
Boston
police
officer
currently.
S
Q
S
S
In
addition,
in
the
last
hearings
in
during
the
ways
and
means
processes,
we
heard
from
your
Administration
that
you
were
overwhelmed,
that
you
did
not
have
enough
officers
to
keep
the
streets
safe
or
for
mass
and
Cass
or
for
in
and
around
Roxbury
Dorchester
Mattapan
issues,
because
there
weren't
enough
officers
and
they
were
busy
with
detail,
and
so
if
there
aren't
enough
officers
for
the
job
itself
for
the
stuff
that
you
get
paid,
the
85
000
base
salary,
which
honestly
fine
I'll
go
public
and
say
it.
Y'all.
Probably
gonna
put
me
on
your.
S
B
S
Shout
out
to
Larry
I
feel
shout
out
to
yeah
yeah,
whoever
whoever
you
are
like
catch
me.
Please
catch
my
picture,
make
sure
I
look
cute
when
your
base
salary,
honestly
I,
wouldn't
like
risk
my
life
to
do
a
job
for
85
and
living
in
Boston.
To
be
fair,
fair
is
fair
to
be
fair.
That
pay
is
probably
not
sufficient,
but
then,
when
you
have
to
overwhelm
yourself
to
work
extra
because
you
got
to
live
in
Boston
too,
you
got
to
live
in
Boston
too
right.
S
And
then
you
have
to
overwork
so
that
you
can
make
up
those
bills,
so
I
can
see
why
there's
all
of
these
detail
need
and
why
you
need
to
make
more
money.
I
guess.
The
issue
here,
though,
is
when
you
have
a
job
that
you
experience
so
much
inundation
of
stress
inducing
of
visceral
trauma,
you're
self-medicating.
Probably
because
how
do
you
decompress
I?
Don't
know
alcohol
I,
don't
know,
but
the
problem,
the
problem
with
that?
S
But
when
you
do
this,
when
you
do
the
detailed
jobs,
then
you
add
up-
and
you
say
you
don't-
have
enough
officers
to
do
the
regular
job,
but
you
need
to
keep
the
detailed
job
on
top
of
the
regular
job.
So
I
can't
figure
out
the
math.
If
you
need
400
more
officers
because
to
do
the
regular
job,
that's
not
getting
addressed.
The
streets
are
not
safe
because
I've
heard
my
colleagues
say
you
need
more
officers.
S
A
S
A
S
S
S
Whenever
we
just
it's
true,
it's
true
it's
true.
Let
me
finish.
Let
me
finish
whenever,
whenever
this
is
real,
people
are
single
parents
serving
doing
their
jobs
and
when
they
disagree
with
you,
it
hasn't
happened
to
me,
but
it
happened
to
my
colleague
when
it
would
disagree
with
you,
they're
getting
threats
and
they
don't
know
if
they're
safe
to
go
home
with
their
child
at
night
and
that's
a
real
thing,
whether
it's
not
people
in
this
room
or
not.
That's
a
real
thing
now
I
believe
that
you
should
be
respectfully
paid
I.
S
Don't
think
that
you
need
detailed
jobs
to
overwork
yourself,
complain
that
you
need
more
officers
to
do
the
job
and
then
yet
need
more
detailed
jobs
to
add.
So
you
can
pay
the
bills,
so
you
can
live
in
Boston,
it's
unfair
to
you.
It's
also
unfair,
to
system
it's
unfair
to
civilians.
Let
us
help
you
fix
it.
A
U
P
U
P
U
Right
and
so
one
of
the
major
aspects
of
that
does
delve
into
the
details
and
I'm
just
going
to
quote
from
that
study
again,
this
is
the
Boston
Police
Department
operational
audit
of
2015..
It
was
done
in
partnership
with
the
Boston
Police
Department
under
Mayor
Marty
Walsh
Public
Safety
strategies.
Group.
Did
this
audit
and
it
says
quote
often:
Public
Safety
agencies
state
that
details
don't
cost
the
city
any
money.
This
statement
is
not
wholly
correct.
In
2013
Boston
commissioned
a
study
to
review
the
collection
of
detailed
payments
it
found.
U
U
U
As
a
committee,
thank
you
information
appreciate
it
from
that
same
audit
report.
It
says
there
is
currently
a
decentralized
process
of
scheduling
details.
Both
the
Staffing
with
sworn
members
and
administrative
processes
are
ineffective.
The
department
needs
to
civilianize
and
automate
the
process.
Have
we
done
anything
to
make
that
so.
U
U
Yep
and
when
it
comes
to
those
construction
details
specifically
I
often
get
asked
by
constituents
a
question
because
we'll
have
projects
in
in
neighborhoods,
some
of
them
on
less
busy
streets
and
there'll,
be
an
officer
there,
some
of
them
on
more
busy
streets,
and
there
won't
be
an
officer
there
when
it
comes
to
where
they
get
assigned
in
terms
of
officers
who
are
serving
or
working
details.
Who
makes
the
determination
as
to
whether
they
go
to
One,
location
or
another
location.
Is
that
decision
made
by
the
officers?
P
So
we
currently
do
not
have
a
tiered
system.
If
that's
what
you
want
to
call
it
for
detailed
assignment,
but
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
work
that
out
with
the
units
through
the
collective
bargaining.
As
of
right
now,
the
details
are
based
on
low
mail
availability.
The
officer
calls
up
or
sorry
not
call
first,
but
initially
what
they'll
do
is
they'll
accept
or
refuse
a
detail
when
the
detail.
If
the
officer
calls
in
same
day
for
the
detail,
they'll
be
offered
details
off
off
the
list
in
their
District.
U
So
the
officer
makes
the
ultimate
Choice
as
to
which
detail
they
go
to
that's
correct.
So
if
they
go
to
one
that's
less
busy
because
it
requires
less
work,
that's
entirely
up
to
them.
If
they
go
to
one
where
they're
going
to
have
to
be
moving
a
lot
of
traffic
or
it's
a
busier
Street,
that's
up
to
them
as
well.
They
get
to
choose
a
detail.
Yes
all
right,
and
has
there
been
any
study
on
that
35
percent
and
just
how
busy
those
details
would
be
as
opposed
to
the
details
that
are
being
selected.
U
P
Is
going
to
be
different,
the
department
acknowledges
the
fact
that
there
are
definitely
details
that
need
to
be
filled
with,
which
is
why
we're
in
the
process
of
negotiating
with
the
unions
for
the
collective
bargain
agreement
to
have
some
type
of
tier
system
where
we
prioritize
which
details
need
to
be
filled.
Thank.
U
You
one
of
the
things
that
I
hear
brought
up,
because
this
argument,
you
know
was
old,
is
new
again.
This
is
this
has
been
a
thing
is
often
that
they're
they're
they'll
pull
some
some
police
reports
and
they'll
pull
some
small
percentage
of
crimes
that
have
been
stopped
because
somebody
who
is
an
officer
is
out
of
detail,
but
in
terms
of
the
safety
issue
of
details
themselves.
This
is
where
I
I
have
an
issue.
When
we
talk
about
details
themselves,
their
issue
is
not
to
stop.
You
know
violent
crime.
U
That's
not
why
we
post
somebody
on
that
street.
It's
for
the
detail
itself
that
that's
an
added
bonus,
but
when
we
are
doing
details,
the
argument,
if
I,
if
I
presume
it
correctly,
is
that
that
is
for
Public
Safety,
that
we
have
an
officer
at
that
detail.
Moving
traffic
and
protecting
construction
correct!
That's
that's
why
that's
that's
the
whole
reason
why
we
do
this?
No,
that's
not
correct!
So
so
what
is
the
purpose
of
a
detail?
Q
Q
Things
in
our
rules,
it
states
officers
performing
a
paid
detail
assignment
are
first
and
foremost
employees
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
officers
have
the
primary
responsibility
of
enforcing
the
laws
of
the
Commonwealth
city
ordinances
and
protecting
the
safety
of
the
public.
That's
from
the
Boston
police
department
rules
and
regulations,
yeah.
U
U
P
U
A
P
Sponsor
okay!
So
when
you're,
when
you're
assigned
to
detail
you're
you're
working
at
detail
for
public
safety
reasons
correct.
So
if
I'm
working
a
detail
and
there's
a
armed
robbery
or
somebody
being
assaulted
within
25,
50
feet
or
somewhere
around
the
corner,
the
Boston
to
Police
Department
stance
is
that
your
job
for
for.
M
U
I
get
it
but
you're
answering
questions
nobody's
asking
I'm,
not
saying
if
there's
a
robbery
here
that
officers
aren't
going
to
intervene,
if
they're
here,
that's
their
job,
I
would
hope
they
would.
What
I'm
saying
is
when
we
specifically
send
them
to
a
street
for
a
traffic
detail.
They
are
there
to
assist
in
that
traffic.
Detail
they're,
not
there,
because
we're
hoping
that
they
prevent
an
armed
robbery
in
that
corner.
U
So
I
you
can't
have
both,
though,
and
that's
that's
my
major
issue
with
this
major
affiliate-
that's
a
huge
major
safety
issue
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
people
are
there
for
traffic
and
for
construction
worker
safety
which,
by
the
way
the
last
hearing
is
what
we
told
this
was
or
there's
no
safety
issue
and
we
don't
have
to
have
them
period.
And
so
we
have
to
come
to
understand
like
why
that
35
50
is
happening
and
I'll
flip
it
over
and
I'll
get
a
second
round.
P
A
B
P
B
M
P
B
P
M
P
So
if
I
decided
I
want
to
work
a
detail
because
you
know
wanted
to
go
on
vacation
or
something
along
those
lines,
I
would
be
offered
a
detail
based
on
my
low
amount
of
hours
somewhere
at
the
top
of
the
list.
Now,
if
I
was
in
the
lowest,
I
wouldn't
be
the
first
person,
but
I
was
usually
somewhere
at
the
top
of
the
list,
because
I
didn't
work.
A
lot
of
details.
Okay,.
B
B
Request
excuse
me:
I
would
like
to
make
a
formal
request
through
the
chair
for
information.
I
would
like
to
see
the
racial
demographics
of
the
people
who
are
working.
The
details
who
are
making
the
top
25
earners
for
construction
details
I
would
like
a
breakdown
of
the
racial
demographics
and
how
long
these
folks
have
been
on
the
force.
B
B
B
Yes,
that
is
correct.
That
is
the
answer
that
I'm
looking
for
very
few
streets
where
the
speed
limit
is
over
45
miles
an
hour
beautiful
so
at
so
the
super
majority
99
of
the
details
are
happening
on
streets
where
the
speed
limit,
as
is
everywhere
in
the
city,
are
about
20
to
25
miles
an
hour
correct,
that's
correct!
Okay,
thank
you!
So
now
we've
heard
Franklin
Hodge.
You
talked
about.
Well,
maybe
superintendent!
You
can
answer
this
question
about
details
that
are
going
unfilled.
Can
you
what
does
going
unfilled,
mean.
B
G
B
P
So
also,
you
may
not
have
the
amount
of
offices
for
the
amount
of
unfilled
details
on
a
daily
basis.
So
in
other
words,
maybe
there
are
20
people
looking
for
details
in
their
150
details
on
the
board.
That
means
that
those
20
officers
didn't
select
the
other
additional
details
that
are
remaining
okay.
B
So,
on
the
topic
of
the
salary
right,
I
think
that
that
is
a
topic
that
got
everybody
riled
up
in
terms
of
how
much
money
folks
are
making
the
numbers
that
we
have
show
that
even
without
the
construction
details
specifically
because
just
to
be
clear,
the
conversation
around
civilianizing
details
are
specifically
for
only
construction
details,
meaning
that
all
other
overtime
and
all
other
types
of
detail
are
still
available
to
Boston
Police
Department
officers.
Now
the
problem
that
we
run
up
against
is
not
that
Boston
police
officers
are
doing.
B
The
construction
details
is
that
the
Boston
police
department
has
a
monopoly
on
doing
the
construction
details,
meaning
that
nobody
else
can
fill
in
the
positions
that
are
being
left
on
open
so
with
base
salary.
All
other
details
and
overtime
available,
Boston
police
officers
on
average
are
still
making
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
average,
with
their
salary
right.
B
I
know
that
it's
a
nice
quip
to
say,
but
where
it's
it's
not
a
pie
in
the
sky
conversation,
this
is
actually
what
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
what
it
costs
to
live
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
counselor.
I
know
that
my
time
is
up,
but
Frank
Chief
Hodge.
You
said
that
you
wanted
to
one
of
the
things
that
you
were
looking
for
is
to
prioritize
which
details
are
higher
needs.
Can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about?
What's
impeding
that
from
happening.
O
Yes,
as
as
the
superintendent
noted,
there
is
not
a
tiering
system
today,
so
we
do
not
have
the
ability
to
identify
specific
locations
as
being
of
higher
safety
risk
or
of
lower
safety
risk,
and
to
have
that
designation
impact
the
likelihood
that
a
detail
will
be
picked
up.
So
that
simply
means
that
we
might
have
a
location.
O
B
O
B
G
C
O
M
C
C
You
so
you
did
bring
to
light
and
it
came
in
out
in
the
media
a
lot
during
the
open
streets
which
I
attended
and
there
was
a
need
for
police
because
both
of
you
know
the
streets
department
and
the
police
department
were
out
there.
Keeping
people
safe
and
many
were
forced
to
do
the
third
shift,
and
we
know
that
now
we're
saying
we're
not
going
to
allow
people
for
their
own
health
and
safety,
because
there
is
a
staffing
need.
What
is
the
relationship
between
you?
Not
even
having
enough
offices
to
say?
C
Yes,
even
if
they're
willing,
they're
not
able,
because
they've
already
done,
maybe
a
fourth
second
shift
or
they've
picked
up
a
detail
and
now
there's
a
need
for
something
somewhere
else
and
to
get
I
mean
it's
not
a
trick
question
and
to
get
to
the
bottom
like
because
I
know,
I
do
agree
that
we
need
to
hire
more
police
officers
and
that
would
free
up
a
lot
of
this
overtime
enforced
over
time.
I.
Q
I
know
that
happens.
Frequently
I
don't
have
a
number
I,
don't
know
that
we
even
track
that
statistic,
because
what
would
happen
frequently
is
a
supervisor
or
the
district
would
say
officer
Smith
you're
ordered
for
the
last
half
tour
tonight
and
officer
Smith
would
say:
Lieutenant
I
already
did
a
detail
this
morning,
then
I
did
my
first
half
shift
I'd
be
over
the
hours.
We
talked
about
that
hour
restriction
earlier,
and
then
it's
not
tracked
anywhere.
Q
When,
when
we
were
ordering
people
for
a
third
shift
contractually
and
by
rule
there
was
a
very
long
process
of
documenting
all
of
those
hours
and
who
was
ordered
and
how
much
rest
time
they
were
given
before
they
were
required
to
come
back
to
work
and
so
forth,
but
as
far
as
when
people
are
over
the
hours,
and
they
don't
work
because
of
that,
we
don't
have
that
figure.
Okay,.
P
C
And
you
were
talking
about
you're
going
through
the
process
of
updating
and
making
it
more
efficient.
Could
you
speak
to
the
Blue
Note
software
that
I
have
heard
about
that?
It
will
allow
offices
to
accept
or
refuse
details.
It
seems
like
it's
a
more
streamlined
approach
that
the
offices
can
see
which
ones
are
out
there
on
their
own
yeah.
P
So
what
we
do
is
we
try
to
make
sure
that
all
the
details
are
inputted
into
the
system
on
a
daily
basis
right
and
we're
trying
to
streamline
it.
For
example,
one
of
the
issues
that
we
had
were
details
were
being
canceled
and
we
weren't
being
notified
of
the
cancellations
and
then
what
happens
is
the
officer
goes
there?
There's
no
detail,
there's
a
whole
process
for
that.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
is
I.
Try
to
contact
some
of
the
the
contractors
as
many
as
I
can
to
let
them
know.
P
If
you're
going
to
cancel
the
detail,
you
need
to
cancel
it.
Try
to
cancel
it,
give
us
as
much
advance
notice
as
you
can
and
that
allows
us
to
offer
details
that
are
actually
need
to
be
filled
on
the
streets
at
a
particular
point
in
time.
There
are
other
things
that
have
been
implemented
in
in
Blue.
Notes
such
as
you
know,
if
an
officer
is
sick,
like
for
example,
he
calls
in
he
can't
do
a
detail
or
something
along
those
lines.
P
We
we
got
it
so
that
now
there's
input
into
that
system,
they're
taking
out
of
detail,
and
we
can
fill
that
detail
as
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
there
are
things
that
we're
working
on
currently
they're
things
that
we've
corrected.
There
are
things
that
we're
still
trying
to
identify
that
will
allow
us
to
be
more
efficient
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
on
a
daily
basis.
C
D
D
Think
one
of
the
first
you
mentioned
was
a
domestic
violence
incident
and
in
that
scenario,
of
course,
we
can
say
potentially
I,
don't
know
how
it
the
outcome,
but
like
maybe
we're
grateful
that
the
police
officer
was
there,
but
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do?
Is
use
these
individual
antidotes
as
evidence
for
why
these
need
to
be
done
by
police
officers,
because
I
think
it
is
really
important
for
us
to
really
follow
a
data-driven
process.
D
D
D
D
You
know
that
a
lot
everyone's
talking
about
how
a
lot
of
these
go,
that
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
to
fulfill
these
details.
What
happens
at
the
city
level
in
terms
of
any?
Is
there
any
sort
of
enforcement
whenever
a
construction
site
isn't
able
to
have
details
like
what
is?
What
is
the
process
like
there.
O
It
you
know
somewhat,
is
situational
the
construction
companies,
those
that
are
responsible,
which
is
the
vast
majority
of
them,
are
acutely
aware
of
the
risks
and
liabilities
associated
with
the
work
that
they
do,
and
so
they
may
make
adjustments
to
the
program
of
what
they
work
on
in
a
given
day.
If
there
isn't
an
officer
present,
they
recognize
that
certain
activities
can't
be
done
safely
without
an
officer
they
may
choose
to
do
other
things
or
may
delay
aspects
of
the
project.
O
There
are
undoubtedly
cases
where
work
is
delayed
altogether,
because
the
detail
is
essential
for
the
work.
If,
for
example,
someone
is
trenching
through
the
major
the
middle
of
a
major
intersection,
and
there
is
no
detail,
it's
very
unlikely
that
they
would
proceed
with
that
work
because
it
could
not
be
done
safely.
So
it's
it
varies,
based
I
think
on
the
circumstances
and
the
Judgment
of
the
the
contractors.
O
We
also
have
a
construction
enforcement
unit
that
monitors
construction
sites
in
public
streets
and
if
we
identify
a
safety
situation
that
would
we
you
know,
we
believe
is
creates
a
an
issue.
We
may
flag
that
and
say
this
has
to
you,
know,
pause
or
it
needs
to
be
reconfigured
until
it
can
be
done
safely
and.
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
counselor,
Louis,
John,
I,
I'm
gonna
offer
a
few
comments
and
questions
and
then
I
just
want
colleagues
to
know
I
will
if,
if
the
remaining
colleagues
want
a
very
brief
like
three-minute
like
second
round
I
will
go
to
you,
but
it's
really
going
to
be
three
minutes.
I
really
am
going
to
cut
you
off
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people
have
been
patiently
waiting
to
do
public
testimony.
So
that's
my
flag
in
advance,
so
think
about
your
one
question.
A
Two
question
now
and
and
and
I
will
also
try
to
be
brief.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
both
of
the
bridges
that
councilor
Franklin
Hodge
mentioned
are
at
the
edge
of
my
district,
the
North
Washington
Street
bridge
and
the
Dalton
Street
Bridge
and
I
have
had
I.
Won't
I
won't
put
them
on
the
spot
by
naming
them,
but
a
major
construction
project
in
my
district
significantly
delayed
in
its
demolition
because
of
the
lack
of
details.
A
There
are
a
lot
of
details
about
the
detail
system
in
our
police
contracts,
and
the
council
is
not
in
the
position
of
negotiating
those,
but
I
do
think
that
the
purpose
of
this
hearing
in
part
is
to
put
on
the
table
or
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
seeing
and
think
about.
How
could
those
contracts
be
adjusted
so
from
a
policy
perspective?
There's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
say.
A
One
of
them
is
that
tiering
that
the
chief
has
mentioned,
you
know
us
being
able
to
say
hey
certain
details
really
really
need
to
be
filled
and
doing
that
without
doing
that
with
a
prioritization
system
without
having
to
put
them
on
overtime
and
being
in
a
forced
scenario.
I
think
is
important
and
I'm
well
aware:
I
agree.
The
mousse
have
been
useful
tools
for
us.
Certainly
there
are
ones
with
the
Red
Sox.
A
In
my
district
there
are
ones
with
Northeastern
on
September
1st
Etc
right
like
they,
but
they
are
still
a
blunt
instrument
and
the
and
they
and
I
I.
Think,
ideally,
you
know
we
would
have
people,
you
know,
choosing
details,
but
recognizing
the
the
cities
and
the
safety
needs
priorities
right,
not
just
sort
of
in
this
okay,
it's
got
to
be
forced.
A
If
it's
that
urgent
sort
of
situation,
I
will
also
say
I
just
want
to
agree
with
counselor
Louis
Jen
that
you
know
I
think
we
should
all
recognize
that
the
challenge
with
apportioning
detail
like
police
out
hours
according
to
detail
requests,
is
that
you
can
end
up
in
weird
situations.
I'll
give
everybody
an
example:
I
I,
so
I
have
most
of
the
students
in
my
district,
except
for
maybe
counselor.
A
Braden
has
some
as
well,
but
I
have
a
huge
number
and
on
September
1st
I
had
a
situation
where
Captain
Sweeney's,
just
D4
folks,
were
doing
a
great
job
on
some
paid
details
from
Northeastern.
In
a
in
a
part
of
my
district
in
Fenway,
and
then
we
had
this
weird
situation
up
at
Berkeley,
where
we
actually
got
such
a
log
Jam
that
no
traffic
could
move.
It
was
one
of
those
like
all.
Four
sides
of
the
square
are
completely
packed,
and
so
nobody
can
move
to
loosen
it
up
and
so
I
asked
hey.
A
Could
we
get
any
of
the
folks
who
are
down
managing
the
northeastern
intersections
up
to
the
Boylston
and
Mass
Ave
intersections
to
solve
this
problem,
and
the
issue
became
that
Berkeley
had
not
paid
for
details
that
day
and
Northeastern
had
right
and
so
that
technically,
under
the
mou,
these
officers
needed
to
be
down
there?
A
few
blocks
south
because
of
the
agreement
so
I
just
raised.
That
just
say
like
there
are
clearly
cases
where
we
need
to
be.
A
For
example,
it
sounded
like
one
counts
when
Chief
Franklin
Hodge
was
talking
about
a
place
where
we
wanted
a
detail,
because
there
were,
you
know,
drunk
fan
altercations.
That
might
be
a
situation
where
clearly
like
we're
looking
for
a
police
officer
because
of
the
nature
of
the
challenge
that
we're
dealing
with,
but
that's
not
necessarily
true
of
like
we
just
really
need
somebody
standing
out
of
this
corner
very
actively
flagging
these
major
trucks
through
so
I've
got
an
intersection
in
my
district
I'm
kind
of
terrified.
A
There's
a
big
MGH
project
going
up.
It's
huge
it's
right
at
one
of
the
busiest
pedestrian
intersections
Blossom
and
Cambridge
in
my
district,
like
I
need
when
people
are
going
into
that
construction
site
I
need
a
flagger
out
there,
but
also
that
2
million
square
foot
project
cannot
not
move
forward
because
nobody
can
stand
at
the
entrance
to
the
site
right
so
like
we
have
to
solve
this
problem,
it
can't
be
that
we're
getting
into
a
routine
where
30
40
50
of
these
are
going
unfilled.
A
But
to
me,
when
I
look
at
the
amount
of
the
amount
of
value
hours
that
that
of
details
that
are
not
being
claimed,
it
feels
like
the
conversation
that
we've
been
having
today,
where
it's
sort
of
like
are
police
filling
all
of
these
or
our
civilians
feeling.
All
of
these
doesn't
really
seem
to
like
match
what
we
actually
need,
which
is
a
more
predictable
system
for
knowing
who's
filling
details
when
and
ability
to
Cascade
down
the
tears
and
an
ability.
A
Yes
to
have
the
some
of
that
group
that
are
currently
getting
neglected,
filled
by
well-trained
civilians,
and
then
that
has
a
significant
Economic
Development
opportunity
for
our
residents.
The
reality
is
that
for
the
details
that
are
going
unfilled
right
now,
it's
just
more
money
in
the
pockets
of
our
utilities
and
major
construction
companies
and
there
for
something
that
they're
so
statutorily
required
to
pay
for.
A
But
some
of
that
you
know
is,
is
our
stuff.
The
the
one
other
comment
that
I
just
did
want
to
offer
is
that
there
is
a
cost
to
running
the
detail
system.
So
I
know
folks
were
saying
that
details
are
no
cost
to
the
city
and
then
in
fact
the
city
makes
money.
Well,
it
is
true
that
the
city
we
get
a
10
payment
off
of
like
the
what's
being
paid
by
the
companies
that
are
paying
for
the
details.
A
A
I
think
we've
had
some
good
progress,
but
it's
also
true
that
there
are
millions
of
dollars
that
go
unpaid,
so
I
say
all
that
to
say
that
you
know
it
really
is
only
in
these
forums
that
this
Council
has
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
police
contractual
matters,
because
the
actual
contracts
are
getting
negotiated
by
the
unions
and
the
administration.
But
I
think
it's
clear
that
there
are
a
number
of
ways
in
which
the
contract
could
be
adjusted.
A
A
To
me,
that's
a
challenge,
so
I
I
got
up
on
my
soapbox
a
little
more
than
I
meant
to
so
I'm
I
didn't
get
to
any
questions
and
I
apologize
to
the
Chief
and
to
the
superintendent
for
that.
But
I'm
going
to
go
now
very
briefly,
like
I
said
to
my
colleagues,
I
really
mean
it
and
then
and
then
I'm
going
to
be
going
to
public
testimony.
So
if
you're
going
to
testify,
you
can
get
ready
for
that.
We
are
going
to
be
going
to
that
Mike.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
a
couple
observations
just
to
get
on
the
record.
If
we
can
officially
ask
for
the
number
of
openings
for
crossing
guards,
the
number
of
openings
that
are
in
transportation
and
in
public
works
and
even
deeper
into
that,
we
should
have
a
running
list
of
all
the
openings
in
the
city
before
we
start
looking
at
creating
new
departments.
E
Superintendent,
you
never
really
finished.
Your
comment
about
you
know:
if
something,
if
you're
at
a
you
were
a
police
officer,
is
that
it
is
out
of
detail
and
and
something
around
the
corner
is
being
robbed.
So
a
police
officer
has
the
ability
to
prioritize
okay
traffic
isn't
as
important
now
because
there's
a
robbery
going
on
there.
That's.
P
P
E
Okay
and
so,
and
not
that
you
know
I
would
have
asked
I
wanted
to
ask
this
to
the
to
the
previous
panel,
but
in
the
in
that
training,
what
does
a
flagger
do
if
someone
overdoses
in
front
of
them,
if
someone's
going
into
cardiac
arrest,
if
someone
around
them,
what
does
the
flag
do
at
that
point?
They
don't
need
to
be
involved
at
all
hands
off
totally
or
is
there
anything
in
that
training?
Do
you
know
I.
E
U
Thank
you,
these
questions
for
the
chief.
When
we
last
had
this
hearing,
there
was
a
whole
conversation
about
the
fact
that
City
itself
does
traffic
and
construction
details
and
things
of
that
nature.
The
cities
does
its
own
sort
of
building
work
and
that
that
work
goes
to
usually
the
lowest
bidder,
the
there's
a
bidding
process
and
what
came
out
of
that
is
that
the
detail
costs
get
baked
into
almost
all
of
these
bids.
That's
correct,
that's
correct,
and
so
do
we
know
in
this.
U
U
Our
yeah
just
get
that
and
then
a
secondary
question
to
that
is
when
we
do
this
process
and
there's
bids
and
those
bids
bacon
costs,
and
then
there's
no
detail
for
those,
so
they
baked
in
the
detailed
cost
to
the
city
city
pays
it
out
to
this
contractor
contractor
doesn't
end
up
actually
having
details
show
up.
Do
we
get
a
refund
on
that?
Do
they
send
back
that
money?
Typically,
we.
U
M
U
U
B
I
first
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
who
is
here,
who
has
been
organizing
for
many
years,
advocating
for
this
job
for
taking
time
out
of
your
Monday
morning
to
come
here.
Just
a
lot
of
love
and
reverence
for
you.
I
know
what
it
feels
like
in
this
room,
and
so
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
coming
out.
B
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
respond
to
specifically
is
that
there
is
a
training
that
exists
currently
for
civilian
flaggers,
but
it
is
a
state
training.
The
city
of
Boston
can
have
this
training
look
like
and
include
whatever
we
want
it
to
include,
and
so,
if
that
includes
CPR
training,
so
on
and
so
forth,
it
can
include
all
those
things
and
so
I
just
want
to
I
want
to
say
that,
because
there
was
a
request,
there
does
not.
There
isn't
a
training
that
exists
right
now.
B
There
is
a
state
training
that
exists,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
that's
what
we're
going
to
use
we
can
make
it
look
and
have
and
include
whatever
it
is
that
we
want,
and
the
question
that
I
have
for
the
Boston
Police
Department
is:
is
the
Boston
Police
Department
against
having
an
external
body?
Do
a
review
and
audit
of
police
over
time
spending
and
processes.
A
B
B
Now
the
reason
why
I
asked
that,
in
the
reason
why
I
asked
that
is
because,
although
it
might
not
look
like
it
in
this
room
based
on
who
has
turned
out
here,
the
General
Public
is
supportive
of
this
because
to
the
general
public,
everybody
understands
that
one
there's
a
managerial
issue
there's
an
issue
with
how,
over
time
overtime
spending
is
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
that
for
a
lot
of
people.
It's
you
know
it's
a
lining
of
the
pocket.
P
P
A
C
So
we
can
see,
because
if
you
look
on
Twitter
or
you
know,
the
mayor's
social
media,
there's
they're
always
saying
City
Hall
is
hiring.
We
know
that
we
have
thousands
of
jobs
in
the
city
directly
in
city
hall
or
across
the
city,
we're
looking
for
workers,
and
we
absolutely
need
to
connect
our
residents
to
the
good,
paying
jobs,
dignified
jobs
and,
and
also
your
comment.
C
Council
abach
just
so
I'm
clear
that
yes,
there's
always
a
cost
for
managing
the
overtime,
and
if
we
took
that
away
from
the
police
department,
then
we
would
be
another
city
Department
that
would
have
to
manage
that
and
there
would
be
people
being
paid
through
our
tax
dollars
managing
it.
It
would
just
shift
out
of
the
police
department
budget,
but
it
would
still
be
in
our
city
budget,
so
the
cost
wouldn't
go
away.
It
would
just
be
another
department
created
by
the
city.
C
M
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Murphy,
councilor,
Mejia,
I,
see,
has
rejoined
us
sorry,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
her
and
then
I'll
go
to
counselor
Louie
gen
I'm.
Also
just
going
to
note
that
counselor
I
Franklin
Hodge
has
to
leave
in
a
moment
so
counselor.
If
any
of
your
questions
are
for
him,
if
you
can
put
that
first
yeah.
F
Thank
you
so
I
do
appreciate
a
second
round
of
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
know
again.
I
didn't
get
enough
time
with
the
community
panel,
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
invite
them
back
up.
But
what,
if
that
case,
is
closed,
but
I
did
have
some
questions
for
the
community.
Panelists
I
will
utilize
my
time
on
the
mic,
because
I'm
I
know
we're
here
to
listen
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
strong
turnout
that
we
have
here
to
hear
from
both
sides.
F
But
if
we
can
choose
to
seize
this
moment
and
say
how
can
we
make
this
work
in
a
way
that
everybody
wins,
then
we
can
get
to
a
place
where
we
need
to
be,
but
if
we
continue
to
dig
our
heels
and
say
you're,
taking
away
our
jobs
and
our
opportunities,
then
it's
a
it's
a
not
it's.
A
non-starter
James
raise
your
hand
James.
Yes,
that's
right
rolled
up
on
me
on
my
way
out,
and
you
know
we
had
a
really
good
conversation
out
there
and
I
said
listen.
F
What
could
this
look
like
in
a
way
where
potentially
those
who
are
in
positions
of
power
can
become
the
trainers
of
the
civilian
review
of
the
civilian
flaggers
right
like?
Why
does
it
have
to
be
so
adversarial
like
I'm?
Just
asking
you
all
right,
as
we
continue
to
move
through
this
conversation
is
to
stop
pitting
each
other
against
one
another.
It's
just
not
going
to
get
us
to
where
we
need
to
be,
and
that
is
the
problem
in
the
city
of
Boston
I've,
seen
it
in
the
last
two
and
a
half
years.
F
A
M
A
Sorry
sorry
well
I
was
going
to
say
the
the
debate.
The
debate
is
whether
that's
a
demotion
or
a
promotion,
all
right,
counselor,
counselor,
Louis,
Jen,
and
then
we're
going
to
be
going
to
public
comment
and
I'm
going
to
be
thanking
the
our
BPD
representatives
for
being
here
as
well.
So
Council
thank.
D
I
always
you
know,
I
want
to
take
down
the
smoke
screen
as
much
as
we
can
to
really
get
at
some
of
the
hearts
of
the
issues
and
my
questions
for
BP.
My
question
really
for
BPD
is
there's
this
resistance
to
civilianizing
construction
details
when
we
are
behind
again
the
a
ball
for
others.
Other
cities,
other
states
that
really
this
is
the
norm.
So
I'm
wondering
what
is
it
that's
so
different
about
Boston
that
prevents
us
from
doing
what
is
the
norm
in
other
places
like
why?
P
M
P
I
grew
up
on
h,
block
I
still
live
in
Mattapan
I.
Do
a
lot
of
things
for
the
community.
I
have
a
non-profit,
we
cater
to.
We
assist
over
400
kids
through
my
non-profit
right.
So,
but
with
that,
some
of
us
don't
like
the
public
school
system,
we
have
to
find
other
means
for
our
kids
to
get
a
decent
education,
which
means,
if
you
choose
to
go
to
private,
have
your
child
in
private
school,
that's
more
of
an
expense.
The
base
salary,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
one
of
you,
the
counselors
mentioned
earlier.
P
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
counselor.
Thank
you.
Councilor
Jen,
okay,
I'm,
gonna,
I
I,
see
it
I'm,
gonna
I'm
gonna
continue
to
ask
folks
not
to
shout
out,
and
especially
you
know,
we're
about
to
finally
allow
folks
who
have
been
waiting
on
public
testimony
to
testify
I'm
going
to
ask
people
to
be
respectful
of
who's
at
the
mic.
So
I
want
to
thank
you,
superintendent,
eddings
and
Captain
Hamilton
for
joining
us
today
and
on
all
my
colleagues
for
your
questions
and
comments.
A
We
are
going
to
go
now
to
public
testimony
at
the
first
four
folks
who
I
have
signed
up.
I've
got
Mario
Rodriguez
I've
got
Larry
Calderon,
Kevin,
Donahue
and
Fatima
Ahmed
Ahmad,
again
we're
going
to
speak
from
this
Mike
here.
So
if
I
can
have
Mario
come
up,
that
would
be
great
and
please
superintendent
and
and
Captain
you're
welcome
to
stay,
but
you're
also
welcome
to
leave.
We
know
it's
a
busy.
A
A
W
W
My
grandfather
owned
a
ton
of
property
here
and
before
I
can
fully
grow
a
conscience
I
used
to
get
into
a
lot
of
trouble
and
up
on
this
corner
right,
so
growing
up
here,
I
didn't
have
any
mentorship,
and
my
mother
didn't
really.
You
know,
know
how
to
handle
me.
So
I
used
to
get
into
a
lot
of
trouble.
I
spent
time
at
C11
I
spent
time
at
B2.
W
W
My
business
I
started
a
trucking
business
because
that
was
what
was
making
money
hired
people
from
the
community
had
them
employed
now,
I
have
a
construction
company
having
people
employed
having
them
with
insurance,
and
then
I
have
a
non-profit
that
mentors
kids
during
the
summer
time
we
take
them
out,
but
now
we
also
partner
up
with
the
Carpenters
Union
and
we've
had
11
kids
graduate
from
the
Carpenters
Union
they're
all
employed
right
now
this
was
our
first
year.
We
also
have
classes
training,
kids
on
how
to
start
businesses.
W
W
W
So,
listening
to
this,
the
council
people
are
in
a
sandwich.
They
have
to
appease
the
cops,
but
they
also
have
to
appease
the
voters.
Right
now.
I
would
think
that
all
the
police
officers
you
took
a
oath
to
protect
our
community.
No,
you
also
have
a
family
to
take
care
of
I
think
that
it
could
be
a
happy
medium
here,
because
some
of
the
cops
you
know
you
can't
fill
all
of
the
the
details.
W
So
I
guess
what
the
organizers
are
saying
is
the
ones
that
you
cannot
fill
is
to
give
it
to
people
that
do
want
a
job.
It's
just
about
finding
a
happy
medium,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
a
tragedy
is
going
to
happen,
then
we're
all
going
to
try
to
come
around
and
try
to
be
Americans.
But
when
you
have
tension
like
this,
it's
not
helping.
W
X
I'd
also
like
to
try
and
answer
some
of
those
questions
that
will
posed
to
Command
Staff
and
concerns
that
some
of
you
counselors
have
I'll,
try
to
go
backwards
as
I
love
to
take
notes,
but
councilor
Mejia
talks
about
seizing
the
moment
that
it
we
shouldn't
be
such
adverse
in
our
opinions
or
our
wants.
I
agree
with
you:
we
should
and
I'd
implore
this
Council
to
start
with
our
mayor,
because
it's
something
called
collective
bargaining.
X
X
X
X
X
For
the
other
people,
in
the
crowd,
as
what
we're
referring
to
on
the
other
side
of
the
aisle,
the
men
and
women
that
you
see
around
you,
they're,
not
your
enemies,
they're,
providing
that
security
blanket
every
night
for
you
as
you
come
home
from
work
as
you
walk
your
loved
ones,
home
from
school.
We're
not
we're!
Not
your
enemy!
X
Take
a
look
around
a
super
majority
of
the
patrolmen's
association.
If
you
don't
know
a
city
residence
they're
mandated
by
a
collective
bargaining,
residency
issue,
I
call
it
an
issue
because,
as
the
council
recognizes,
it's
a
cost
and
absorbitant
amount
of
money
for
anyone,
starting
a
family,
starting
a
profession
to
buy
a
home
in
the
city
of
Boston,
we're
talking
about
seven
to
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
purchase
a
home
in
the
city.
X
And
now
you
can
couple
that
with
six
seven,
eight
percent
interest
rates
by
the
federal
government
you're
talking
about
even
if
you
have
ten
percent
to
put
down
you're,
looking
at
five
to
six
thousand
dollars
a
month
a
month
in
a
mortgage
payment,
you
can
work.
Details
till
you
fall
over
you're,
not
paying
that.
So
take
a
look
around
at
the
men
and
women
around
you
we're
all
in
the
same
boat.
We
all
want
the
best
for
our
families.
X
X
X
She
intends
on
taking
police
officers
off
our
streets
and
replacing
them
with
civilian
flaggers
civilian
flag
as
they
possess
neither
the
authority
or
the
training
to
maintain
the
peace
and
safety
currently
enjoyed
by
all
of
you
here
who
live,
work
or
visit.
Our
great
City-
this
may
very
well
be
the
worst
idea
in
the
history
of
bad
ideas
when
it
comes
to
policing
and.
L
A
Z
X
Answer
any
questions:
any
counselors
have
absolutely
it's
as
it
relates
to
her
proposal,
the
one
that
would
steal
away
the
work
from
police
officers
just
to
punish
them.
I
will
say
this
trying
to
get
it
through.
This
proposal
will
will
demolish
a
highly
successful
program
that
exists
today.
Public
Safety
details
have
documented
proof
of
providing
immediate
responses
to
Crime
medical
issues,
traffic
safety
and
violence,
none
of
which
will
happen
if
police
officers
are
replaced
with
civilians.
X
Changing
any
kind
of
program
should
only
happen
in
the
city
of
Boston
if
it
will
result
in
a
better
outcome
with
significant
cost
savings.
The
councilor's
Proposal
doesn't
even
pretend
to
do
either
one
never
mind
both.
What
shocks
me
is.
The
counselor
here
does
not
even
try
to
say
that
replacing
police
officers
with
civilians
will
save
money.
X
X
A
Mr
Mr
Calderon,
we
we
will
We
Will
We.
We
will
accept
written
testimony
at
any
length
from
anyone,
but
I
have
now
allowed
this
to
go
on
for
like
eight
minutes
and
there's
a
bunch
of
people
who
are
also
waiting
in
this
and
so
I'm
happy
to
accept
it.
I
also
want
people
to
understand.
Just
so.
People
know
because
I
know
there's
frustration
about
why
we
don't
have
the
unions
on
panels
and
do
back
and
forth
on
this.
A
There's
a
provision
in
the
city
Charter
that
prevents
the
Boston
city
council
from
being
involved
in
contract
negotiations
and
because
of
that,
the
count.
The
Boston
city
council,
going
back
and
forth
with
duly
elected
representatives
of
the
city's
unions
about
provisions
of
the
contract
is
seen
as
running
a
foul
of
that
Charter
provision.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
folks
in
the
audience
who
are
like.
A
You
know
why
do
we
not
have
the
bppa
up
on
a
panel
Etc
that
that's
the
constraint
that
we
operate
under
as
a
council
and
and
I
understand
the
frustration
from
from
Mr
Calderon
and
his
members
that
you
know
this
is
a
very
Central
issue
for
you
all
and
and
you'd
like
to
be
able
to
hold
forth
at
an
extended
Pace.
But
the
reality
is
like
that's.
A
A
D
A
All
right
thanks
so
so,
just
to
be
clear.
Everyone
has
two
minutes:
I
will
be
gambling
anybody
off.
It
goes
over
two
minutes.
Mr
Donahue
you
have
the
floor
up
next
is
Miss
Ahmad,
Mr,
Donahue,
no
I'm,
sorry,
any
any.
Testimony
further
than
two
minutes
can
be
submitted
for
the
record
to
the
council,
but
you
can
only
speak
for
two
minutes.
Thank
you.
Mr
Donahue.
AA
Allow
me
to
introduce
myself:
my
name
is
Kevin
darnu
I'm.
Currently
a
Boston
police
officer
assigned
to
C6
and
salty
I've,
been
working
for
the
city
for
28
years,
but
I
started
as
a
hokey
barrel.
Guy
I
swept
the
streets,
I
swept
the
gutters.
There
was
no
shame
in
it.
I
supported
my
family,
doing
it.
AA
I
extended
my
career
to
the
construction
inspection
unit,
overseeing
the
contractors
and
utility
workers.
I
worked
in
the
engineering
with
the
Civil,
the
CIU,
the
construction
inspection
unit.
I
did
that
for
three
years
overseeing
the
contractors
and
utility
workers
I
also
worked
in
city
hall,
with
Council
of
Baker
mayor
Wu
I
did
that
for
three
years
I
worked
my
ass
off
to
get
where
I
was
I,
never
asked
for
one
favor
from
anybody.
I
worked
my
ass
off
doing
it
now.
I'm
a
police
officer.
AA
I
worked
my
ass
off
in
the
academy
to
do
that.
We
heard
from
Chief
Vegas
Hogue.
There's
plenty
of
work
out
there
plenty
of
work
out
there
as
a
not
just
a
police
officer,
but
as
a
resident
of
Boston
I,
can't
understand
why
you
would
want
to
remove
Public
Safety
from
the
street.
An
additional
375
offices
are
out
there
supporting
you
protecting
you
guys.
It's
not
just
about
I.
AA
Listen
to
you,
it's
not
just
about
flailing
your
arms
out
there
directing
traffic
we're
trained
to
knock
him,
we're
trained
to
use
the
tourniquet
which
I've
had
to
use
three
times
to
save
someone's
life
three
times
once
on
a
detail,
never
ask
for
credit
from
it.
Nothing
save
the
guy's
life
doing
it.
If
you
think
you
can
do
that
by
all
means,
I
live
with
that
every
single
day,
every
single
day,
I
live
with
that
now
I
understand
you
guys
want
to
work.
I
understand
that
as
well
and
I
support
it.
AA
AA
A
T
I
live
in
Dorchester
I'm,
a
Boston
resident,
proud
to
live
in
Massachusetts
was
going
to
be
nice,
but
we're
not
doing
that
today,
apparently
so
very
proud
to
live
here,
but
absurd
that
we
are
still
the
last
state
in
the
country
to
figure
this
out.
I
think
a
counselor
asked.
Why
are
we
behind
pretty
obvious?
Why
we're
behind?
T
So
the
question
is
on
you
all
of
why
you
keep
holding
us
back
and
why
we
are
uplifting
certain
people
to
have
second
salaries
on
voluntary
jobs
when
we
could
be
creating
new
union
jobs
for
folks
who
need
it
for
people
talking
about
Public
Safety
on
our
streets.
We
don't
have
that
today.
The
actual
data,
not
your
feelings,
but
the
facts
show
that
they
are
not
going
filled.
T
We
have
Boston
cyclist
Union.
We
have
folks
pedestrians
bikers
folks,
saying
that
they
are
not
safe
on
these
streets
and
that
we
need
to
actually
fill
construction
details.
I
know
we
all
have
anecdotes.
I
have
had
to
assist
in
two
medical
emergencies:
a
young
person
getting
hit
by
a
car
and
another
person
who
is
overdosing
because
the
cops
who
showed
up
were
not
even
respectful
to
those
folks
to
the
victims
of
violence.
I
live
in
a
community
impacted
by
violence.
T
We
have
been
doing
research
with
Muslim
folks
in
this
city
who
consistently
say
that
cops
harass
them,
whether
they're
walking
to
school,
taking
the
tea
or
driving
for
being
black
for
being
Brown
for
being
immigrants
and
for
being
Muslims.
More
cops
does
not
mean
more
safety
for
those
folks
and
those
are
actual
numbers
that
will
get
published
so
I
ask
y'all,
do
y'all.
Do
you?
Do
you
really
care
about
racism?
T
Do
we
want
to
address
the
racial
equality
Gap,
the
well
Health
Gap
that
keeps
getting
published
about
the
city
of
Boston,
or
do
we
want
to
keep
being
behind
the
rest
of
the
country?
This
is
not
a
radical
wild
thing.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
reimagination.
Everybody
else
is
doing
it.
So
why
are
we
behind
and
are
we
going
to
uplift
folks
who
need
jobs
in
a
recession?
Is
that
the
story
that
we
can
tell
about
this
city
and
create
new
jobs
for
people
or
continue
to
prioritize
certain
people
over
everyone
else?
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
Miss
Iman,
next
up
and
I'm,
going
to
just
remind
everybody
that
the
students
testing
is
still
a
thing.
So
all
right
we've
got
Tatiana
Rodriguez,
then
Olivia
and
then
Garnet
Brown,
then
Jose
Diaz,
then
David
Williams.
If
I
can
have
folks
who
are
called
sort
of
come
up
in
this
direction.
So
we
can
just
move
through
people
quickly
without
these
big
gaps,
so
Tatiana
Rodriguez,
you
have
the
floor.
AB
AB
I
know
that
an
experience-
and
it's
really
sad
because
we
don't
feel
protected
by
you
guys
when
we
come
out
to
things
like
this.
We
get
bullied
by
people
anti-vaxxers
that
are
coming
and
representing
everyone
and
Frank
Baker,
and
then
the
police
officers
sit
there
in
City
Hall
and
don't
even
protect
us,
because
what
we
are
black
minor
minority
women,
so
you
think
we
could
hold
it
down.
No,
we
should
feel
protected.
We
don't
want
to
fight
we're
nurturers.
We
don't
want
to
be
here
fighting
with
you
all.
AB
He
actually
and
one
of
the
issues
that
I
see
here,
is
that
we're
not
humanizing
people
we're
talking
to
people
with
these
biases
and
when
you're
talking
to
people
with
biases
you're
gonna
shut
down
everything
else,
that's
coming
out
of
their
mouth,
so
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
I.
Don't
even
remember
what
his
name
is:
I,
don't
even
here,
but
he
said
the
worst
idea
is
what
the
worst
idea.
The
worst
idea
is
what
other
major
cities
in
the
U.S
do.
Let's
follow
the
numbers.
AB
Let's
talk
about
how
all
one
of
the
remarks
from
an
officer
of
the
community
is
to
take
a
test.
One
of
the
officers
said:
let's
take
Tatiana,
you
could
I
know
I'm
going
to
continue.
I
have
to
thank
you
for
you
to
take
a
test.
Let
me
finish
because
I
just
introduced
myself
and
I
didn't
get
to
finish.
That's
not
fear,
that's
not
fear.
I
just
finished
introducing
myself
Tatiana
if
the
one.
AB
AB
A
I
wanna
I
wanna
wait.
Allow
me
allow
me
to
be
clear
so
when,
when
the
when
the
my,
when
when
Mr
Calderon
was
at
the
mic
for
extended
period
of
time,
we
went
into
recess
so
that
it
was
cut
off,
it
was
not
part
of
the
hearing
is
not
going
to
be
in
there.
Eight
minutes
in
before
you
did
that,
and
and
and
right
now,
I've
got
I've
got
more
than
20
people
signed
up
to
testify
and
we
have
to
give
the
school.
A
N
We've
been
hearing
today
how
police
are
unable
to
meet
the
demand
for
these
construction,
detailed
jobs.
So
it's
true.
We
need
people
they're
guiding
at
construction
sites
across
the
city,
but
those
people
don't
need
to
be
cops
for
who
construction
details
are.
An
added
bonus
is
on
top
of
overtime
I'd
much.
Rather,
that
paid
opportunity
go
to
one
of
my
neighbors
in
the
form
of
a
good
union
job.
At
our
organization.
We
organize
with
community
members
who
are
impacted
by
policing
and
civilianizing
construction.
N
So
I'm
urging
the
city
and
city
council
to
create
a
civil
construction
detail
office
because
making
the
shift
would
actually
contribute
to
the
safety,
well-being
and
economic
stability
of
our
neighborhoods
and
again,
just
saying
that
icing
on
the
cake
for
cops
could
be
food
on
the
table
for
our
families.
Thank
you.
A
AC
Yes,
my
name
is
Garnett
Brown
I've
been
a
resident
for
my
whole
life
40
years
in
the
city
of
Boston,
I
lived
in
the
toughest
neighborhoods
in
this
city.
I've
witnessed
some
things
that
have
given
me
trauma
over
my
life.
Some
murders,
some
shootings
and
one
thing
that
made
me
decide
to
look
at
moving
outside
the
city
is
how
bad
it's
getting
and
I've
lived
here
in
the
90s.
AC
Okay,
the
other
day,
my
son
asked
me
if
he
can
go
to
the
park,
I
told
them
no,
he
said,
but
there's
a
detailed
officer
outside
and
I'm,
not
even
knowing
it
I'm
training,
my
kids
to
say:
okay
I'm
not
going
to
let
you
go
to
that
park
that
is
on
our
street
if
I'm
not
going
with
you
because
I'm
afraid
about
of
a
shooting
or
something
that's
going
to
happen,
but
he
knows
that.
Okay,
a
details
officer:
is
there
it's
going
to
be
a
safe
place
for
that
time?
That
detailed
officer
is
there.
AC
You
know
to
have
jobs
and
there's
a
lot
of
jobs
that
are
unfilled,
but
what
I'm
saying
me
as
a
black
man
being
in
I,
never
lived
in
in
the
part
of
a
city
or
on
a
street
where
there
hasn't
been
a
murder
in
in
a
one-year
spin,
never
ever
some
of
the
roughest
toughest
parts
of
this
city
that
I
still
live
in
40
years
now,
I'm
deciding
that
should
I
move
out
of
the
city,
because
the
where
the
city
is
going
right,
it's
a
safety
issue.
For
me,
it's
a
safety
issue
for
my
kids.
AC
I,
don't
want
my
kids
growing
up
to
see
the
same
trauma
that
I
had
to
deal
with
kids
getting
shot
while
I
was
walking
here
this
morning,
an
old
lady
almost
got
ran
over
by
a
guy
on
a
bicycle
and
I'm.
Looking
at
him
because
he's
calling
her
a
and
I'm
saying
what
are
you
doing,
dude
and
he's
saying
yo
shut
up
I'm
from
Linux
I'll
pop
you
like
what
is
our
city
becoming.
A
AD
Thank
you
to
the
council,
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
and
thank
you
for
everybody
coming
up
and
thank
you.
Mr
Brown,
for
speaking
from
the
heart
where
we
just
went
I'm
a
I'm,
a
resident
too
I
live
here.
I
happen
to
work
for
the
city
that
may
change
later,
depending
on
how
the
Powerball
works
out.
AD
But
yeah
I
want
to
give
my
own
anecdote
when
I
was
20
something
years
old,
I
brought,
my
motorcycle
out
of
the
garage
I
was
about
to
hop
on
it
and
a
detail
officer
on
the
corner
said
to
me:
young
man,
where's
your
heel,
toes
where's,
your
writing
gear
I
was
dressed
like
this
I
didn't
don't
belong
on
a
motorcycle.
Looking
like
this,
and
it
was
just
it
was
an
act.
It
was
an
interact,
an
interaction.
It
was
positive
and
those
are
the
anecdotes
that
don't
go
documented.
AD
There's
no
statistic
for
that:
Sir
Robert
peel
mentioned
about
policing.
The
absence
of
crime
is
a
direct
correlation
to
the
efficiency
of
policing.
We
don't
know
how
much
crime
doesn't
happen
because
there's
300
cops
on
the
street
corners.
Today's
detail
cops:
are
yesterday's
walking
beat
that
used
to
patrol
Patrol
the
beat
every
day?
It's
it's
not
consistent,
but
it's
there
so
I'm
sure
conversations
need
to
go
forward.
We
need
to
talk
to
each
other.
We
need
to
respect
each
other,
we're
all
human
we're
all
bostonians
most
of
us,
but
yeah.
AD
This
conversation
needs
to
go
forward,
but
let's
not
create
a
void
where
it
doesn't
need
to
be
one.
Yes,
people
need
jobs.
Yes,
there's
there's
a
policing
issue
with
removing
all
the
detail
cups
all
at
once.
Let's,
let's
anticipate
the
unintended
circumstances
which
we
all
know
happen,
especially
when
government
spends
out
of
control.
Let's
take
the
let's.
Let's
take
the
human
approach
to
this,
not
the
government
approach
to
this.
Thank
you
folks.
Thank.
AE
Thank
you
for
having
us
here,
everyone
respect,
I
would
like
to
say
as
an
immigrant
and
someone
who
came
to
this
country
and
I
didn't
my
mother
always
said
work
hard
to
get
whatever
you
want.
My
brother's
a
doctor,
my
sister's,
a
school
teacher
always
respect
I
respect
the
police
officers.
I
respect
you
I've,
never
incident
of
any
police
officer.
AE
In
any
way
officers
came
through
as
a
young
kid
and
said:
Hey.
Listen,
there
were
jobs
out
there
become
a
policeman
become
a
firefighter
join
the
military.
That's
what
I
did
all
those
things
we
talk
about.
Other
cities
have
flagged
men
or
whatever
other
cities
have
come
here
to
Boston
and
says.
Why
is
the
crime
rate
down?
AE
They
want
to
know
why
why
the
city
of
Boston
or
what
crime
rate
is
no
over
200
homicides
or
whatever,
because
you
know
why
there's
a
detailed
officer
out
there
there's
a
detail
office.
They
come
here.
Florida
who
never
used
to
have
a
policeman
on
details
are
now
doing
that
now,
because
they're
seeing
the
difference
the
scene
is
in
our
officer
out
there
I
work
with
a
Crossing
God
the
other
day.
Nobody
would
stop
for
her.
AE
Okay,
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
the
most
important
thing
is
having
a
police
officer,
you
talk
about
the
community,
don't
like
us.
The
people
are
in
fear,
that's
a
bunch
of
bull
I'm
out
there
every
day
people
come
up
to
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
They
give
me
water
or
whatever
it
is
it's.
How
you
treat
people
I'm,
not
saying
everybody's
perfect
I
did
some
bad
cops
out
there.
AE
Absolutely
I
did
some
bad
people
out
there
absolutely,
but
you
can't
tell
me
taking
a
detailed
officer
away,
is
going
to
make
things
better.
It's
safer,
coming
in
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
ladies
flying
through
traffic
pull
over.
What's
the
problem
Oh
my
daughter's
having
a
problem
with
a
boyfriend
blah
blah
blah
where's
it
at
Georgetown
chicken
blew
her
laugh.
I
said:
okay
get
on
the
radio
boom.
AE
Cars
are
on
the
way.
Half
an
hour
later
broadcast
comes
out
same
location,
sending
officer
student.
The
guy
left
he's
might
have
a
gun
in
the
car.
Whatever
officers
in
B3
pulled
that
car
over
detail
officer
was
there
I
believe
bang
they
got
the
guy
with
the
gun.
It's
a
safety
issue.
You
can't
tell
me
not
having
a
police
officer
out
in
a
detail.
AE
L
A
AF
How
you
doing
City
Council,
Members
how's
everybody
doing
at
first
I,
want
to
say
this
is
an
embarrassment
and
the
same
mentality
that
people
are
coming
up
here
entitled
to
try
to
take
this
hearing
over
is
the
same
mentality
that
trickles
down
to
who's
working
the
streets.
So
there's
a
lot
of
points,
I
want
there's.
This
should
be
made,
but
I'ma
respect
it
because
I'm
gonna
do
my
two
minutes
all
right.
AF
AF
I
grew
up
with
two
people
who
are
cops
now
all
right.
The
main
and
I
got
my
little
notes,
but
I'm
not
even
gonna,
look
at
them
because
the
environment,
that's
that's
going
on
here
and
I'm,
going
to
answer
everybody's
question
and
one
simple
thing:
the
presence
of
police
does
not
stop
crime
all
right.
If
that
was
the
case,
then
our
city
wouldn't
be
where
it
was
at
right
now
outside
or
what's
going
on
in
the
streets.
AF
When
we
talk
about
they're
here
for
safety
reasons
or
they
deter
crime,
the
only
way
in
my
Jew
I
work
with
individuals
coming
home
from
prison,
right,
I've
came
home
from
prison,
and
so
I've
been
through
this.
So
I'm
not
going
to
come
up
here
and
tell
you
a
whole
bunch
of
antidotes
and
like
fake
stories,
all
right,
I've
had
to
work
two
jobs
and
still
couldn't
even
make
ends
meet
right,
I've
been
shut
it
down
by
some
unions,
I
couldn't
even
go.
AF
If
I
had
the
opportunity
and
people
saying
like
oh
there's,
millions
of
jobs.
Yes,
we
have
we're
in
a
weird
recession,
all
right,
I'm,
not
a
dummy
I'm
in
a
railroad
session,
but
those
jobs
aren't
significant
enough
all
right
for
individuals
who
are
directly
impacted
right.
So
what
we're
talking
about
we're
not
talking
about?
Oh,
oh,
they
took
current
jobs
right,
we're
talking
about
work
that
is
not
being
fulfilled
and
given
to
the
people
and
if
you
gave
a
job,
a
meaningful
training
job
to
somebody
who's
in
the
streets.
Right.
AF
AF
L
AG
Thank
you,
everyone.
My
name
is
Elizabeth
Rucker
and
I'm,
a
member
leader
of
showing
up
for
racial
Justice
Boston,
as
well
as
a
member
of
the
people,
not
prisons.
Coalition.
Like
many
before
me.
It
is
difficult
to
know
what
to
say,
after
witnessing
the
massive
disrespect
by
members
of
the
Boston
Police
patrolmen's
Association
here
today,
and
the
anti-democratic
tendencies
that
it
reveals.
But
I
am
here
to
say
that
my
neighbors
deserve
good
jobs
when
I
think
about
watching
civilians.
Take
civilian
Flagger
jobs
to
fill
these
unfilled
construction
details.
Let's
say:
is
it
400
jobs?
AG
Is
it
700
that
represents
400
or
700,
more
families
that
are
thriving,
more
families
that
have
food
on
the
table,
more
neighbors
who
are
staying
in
the
neighborhoods
that
they
built?
That's
what
we're
here
today
for
I
sense,
so
much
fear
in
this
room.
Underneath
your
anger
is
a
fear.
What
are
you
afraid
of
I
ask
you?
Are
you
afraid
of
not
having
enough?
Because
that's
what
these
residents
have
been
facing
for
decades?
AG
We
are
here
to
say
that
there
is
enough
for
everyone.
There
is
enough
to
go
around
and
when
I
say
when
I
see
the
fear
and
there's
real
reasons
to
be
afraid,
but
the
reasons
that
we
fear
lack
the
reasons
that
we
fear
violence
are
directly
linked
to
people
not
having
what
they
need
to
survive
when
we
give
our
neighbors
not
just
through
these
jobs,
we're
starting
with
civilian
flaggers.
Today,
yes,
let's
talk
about
those
City
Council
jobs.
Let's
talk
about
banning
the
Box.
A
V
V
When
you
look
at
the
city's
own
data,
the
median
income
of
households
of
color,
if
you're,
a
rental
household
black
households
make
32
000
a
year
next
house
up
to
31
000
a
year,
Asian
households,
36
000
in
the
city
where
the
average
two-bedroom
apartment
is
3
500
dollars.
So
people
of
color
in
Boston
the
incomes
are
extremely
low
compared
to
what
you
need
to
even
to
be
able
to
to
pay
for
housing
utilities,
food
basic
needs,
the
other
reason
it's
a
matter
of
racial
Justice.
V
It's
a
matter
of
reversing
the
harm
that
policing
has
already
caused
over
hundreds
of
years
in
terms
of
actually
providing
real
opportunities
to
people
and
investing
in
communities.
Think
of
all
the
lives
that
policing
and
mass
incarceration
has
torn
down
while
the
families
have
been
separated.
The
black
and
brown
young
people
have
been
criminalized
for
being
poor
and
denied
opportunities,
as
the
city
has
underinvested
in
communities
and
poured
400
million
dollars
into
the
police
department.
V
If
you
look
at
the
top
employees
in
the
city
of
Boston,
in
terms
of
who
makes
the
most
money
85
of
the
top
100
employees
are
police
officers,
making
286
thousand
dollars
a
year
or
more
80
of
them
work
details
most
of
those
folks
in
that
top
100
make
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
alone
in
details,
and
it
comes
from
a
sense
of
entitlement
entitlement
to.
We
want
to
be
able
to
make
this
extra
money
that
other
folks
can't
get
it's
the
same
entitlement.
V
You
saw
it
earlier
today
with
the
person
who
just
ran
over
time
and
hijacked.
The
meeting
we've
been
escorted
out
of
City
Hall
by
security
videotaped
by
police
officers,
just
when
we
speak
out
or
just
even
when
we
stand
up
in
a
hearing
or
hold
signs,
and
yet
you
know
again.
The
entitlement
we
saw
I
also
want
to
address
the
myth
that
folks
said
that
we
need
police,
more
police,
because
there's
too
much
to
do
and-
and
we
want
to
keep
these
detail
jobs-
we
don't
want
to
give
these
jobs
to
civilians.
V
We
don't
need
more
police
to
fill
these
jobs.
It's
a.
It
is
a
problem
that
the
details
aren't
going
filled
but
and
the
system
needs
to
change,
but
if
we
change
it
to
civilian
details,
we
can
make
sure
they're
filled.
It's
also
a
myth
that
we
need
more
police
in
general
to
provide
more
mental
health
support
to
all
the
sick
calls
that
they
get
to
non-criminal
incidents
non-violent
incidents.
We
can
shift
a
lot
of
those
responsibilities
to
non-non
police,
community-based
Solutions,
so
I'm
asking
the
city,
council
and
the
mayor
to
please
take
action.
V
AI
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Chad
Easter
I'm
I'm,
a
local
7
iron
worker
I've,
been
a
local
seven
iron
worker
for
about
14
years
now,
I
was
formerly
incarcerated
14
years
ago,
so
that
lets
you
know
as
soon
as
I
got
out
of
incarceration.
I
entered
the
Union
I'm.
Also
an
apprentice
instructor
I've
been
an
instructor
for
a
year
now
teaching
all
the
new
members
that
are
coming
into
my
local,
so
I
want
to
say
you
know:
union
jobs
and
organized
jobs
do
help.
AI
People
like
myself
who
went
through
what
I
went
through
or
I
I
support,
councilman
Kendra
on
Laura's
decision
and
what
I
think
is
we're
not
here
to
sit
here
and
act
like
we're,
arguing
and
fighting
with
each
other
over
money.
We
all
got
like,
like
they
say,
we're
all
trying
to
sit
here
and
feed
our
families.
AI
AI
I
want
to
address
something
that
he
stated.
He
said
you
know
and
respectfully
I
appreciate
that
one
of
your
decorated
officers
was
able
to
save
someone
with
the
use
of
our
Narcan
training,
but
they
also
trade.
They
train
Us
in
Narcan
training
in
the
local
trades
around
the
city
as
well,
so
those
same
extensions
of
of
opportunities
can
be
extended
to
other
people
that
look
just
like
me
and
just
like
you,
but
I
honestly
believe
that
we
need
to
find
a
healthy
compromise
and
I
ain't,
saying
that
we
shouldn't
have
offices
on
our
streets.
AI
Those
are
our
neighborhoods,
but
when
we're
talking
about
details
that
are
in,
like
I,
said
downtown
Boston
we're
talking
Charlestown
area,
just
the
major
job
sites
that
that
I'm
working
on
commercial
construction
high-rises,
we
could
use
those
job
opportunities
to
help
provide
opportunities
to
people
coming
out
of
incarceration
or
even
prevent
incarceration.
Because,
realistically
it's
about
preventing
incarceration,
we
want
a
safer
City,
we're
not
trying
to
have
people
coming.
Thank.
A
AJ
Hi,
my
name
is
Carolyn
Chu
I'm,
a
resident
of
Dorchester
and
I'm
reading
janaya's
testimony
hi,
my
name
is
Janaya
Destiny
Noel,
Lee,
I
live
in
Jamaica,
Plain
and
I
have
been
part
of
two
organizations
in
Boston,
teen
empowerment
and
the
youth
Justice
and
power.
Union
I
literally
live
up
the
street
of
two
construction
sites
and
I
see
police
officers
on
their
phones
not
doing
anything.
AJ
I
am
asking
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
city
council
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
change
construction
details,
so
we
can
employ
hundreds
of
bostonians
with
good
paying
union
jobs.
The
biggest
problem
with
the
current
system
of
Contracting
cops
to
work
construction
details
is.
We
have
people
that
need
money
for
their
families.
We
could
hire
516
residents,
41
plus
475,
for
full-time
positions
at
the
median
at
the
median
income
to
run
the
civilian
details
office
with
access
to
well-paid
Union
jobs.
AJ
It
would
help
people
and
Families
not
worrying
about
if
they're
going
to
have
food
on
the
table
for
their
family.
What
would
make
me
feel
safer
when
crossing
the
street
and
riding
my
bike
near
a
construction
site
in
my
neighborhood?
Is
people
I
know
this
is
a
precious
opportunity
to
make
a
reasonable
shift
in
policy
that
would
create
more
abundance
and
well-being
for
residents
and
families
in
Boston
who
need
it
most.
Please
do
everything
you
can
to
establish
a
civilian
construction
detail
office
to
employ
our
community
members
in
good
union
jobs
at
prevailing
wages.
A
AK
Dear
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
Carmelo
Howe
and
I
live
in
district
7
and
I
am
a
part
of
yjpu,
the
youth
Justice
and
power
Union
and
I'm.
Also
a
student
at
John,
D,
O'brien,
School
of
mathematics
and
science,
I'm,
asking
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
city
council
to
make
the
necessary
steps
to
civilianize
construction
details
so
that
we
can
employ
hundreds
of
bostonians
with
good
paying
union
jobs.
AK
But
someone
who
lives
in
the
community
and
knows
the
people
in
the
area,
someone
who
might
actually
care
for
me
as
a
person
rather
than
someone
who
just
knows
they
have
to
make
sure
I
don't
get
hurt,
so
they
can
get
a
paycheck.
This
is
a
precious
opportunity
to
make
a
reasonable
shift
in
the
policy
that
would
create
more
abundance
and
well-being
for
residents
and
families
in
Boston
who
need
it.
AK
The
most,
please
do
everything
you
can
to
establish
as
a
alien
construction
detail
office
to
employ
our
community
members
and
good
union
jobs
at
prevailing
wages.
Thank
you,
and
one
last
thing
for
me:
Khalil
how
I
know
so
many
more
people
would
come
out
here
if
they
weren't
afraid
of
the
police
and
voice
themselves,
but
there's
a
culture
of
power
and
dominance
that
is
inherent
in
so
many
people
of
color
and
I
really
wish.
Y'all
would
just
acknowledge
that.
A
AL
You,
my
name,
is
James
Hosey
I'm
25
years
old,
I've
been
a
police
officer
for
four
years.
I
want
to
stop
by
saying
thank
you
to
the
council
for
listening
to
both
sides.
This
is
very
emotional
for
both
sides.
Hopefully
we
can
come
to
some
type
of
agreement
here
and
I
mean
that.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us.
AL
I
hope
the
council
has
been
on
here,
we'll
listen
to
the
recording.
Councilor
I
mean
president
Ed
Flynn.
Hopefully
he
listens
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
known
that
police
morale
is
at
the
lowest.
It
probably
has
ever
been
I
feel
like
I.
Never
take
my
uniform
off
a
lot
of
the
times.
You
hear
people
saying
this
job
sucks
like
it
does.
Sometimes
you
know
and
and
like
we're
just
not
getting
help
we
need.
Another
thing
is
like
a
couple
weeks
ago
somebody
got
shot
in
B3
mount
a
pen.
AL
It
took
12
minutes
for
an
ambulance
to
get
there.
The
gentleman
lost
his
life,
which,
who
knows
what
would
happen
if
the
ambulance
came
here
quicker,
but
there's
not
enough
of
us
there's
not
enough
EMS,
there's
not
enough.
Police
I
had
something
else
to
say
the
best
team
they're
not
on
the
last
half
shift
it's
hard
to
keep
a
situation
de-escalated
for
15
minutes,
while
you're
waiting
for
an
ambulance
and
there's
no
best
team
to
help
us
it.
AL
It's
just
I
just
hope
that
you
guys
the
the
council
takes
into
account
that
we're
people
too.
You
know
and
I'm
sorry
that
a
lot
of
you
are
afraid
of
the
police.
I
I,
I,
I,
really
don't
want
you
to
be
I
grew
up
in
Dorchester.
My
whole
life
I
often
find
myself
wondering,
should
I
do
another.
Job
should
I
take
something
else,
but
no
like
we
have
to
stay
in
the
fight
and
and
make
this
city
better.
AL
It's
the
greatest
city
on
earth-
and
it
pains
me
to
watch
what's
happening
to
this
city
in
this
room
like
the
Divide.
We
need
to
fix
that,
but
you're
not
getting
the
best
service
you
can
when,
when
there's
police
working
double
shifts,
details
may
have
been
a
pro
like
I'm.
Sorry,
I
forget
what
the
word
was,
but
a
lot
of
guys
take
details
to
not
get
ordered
for
the
shift
that
their
son's
birthday
is
on
or
their
son's
hockey
games
on.
AL
So
like
we're
not
like
doing
details
like
all
the
time
just
for
money,
like
a
lot
of
the
times
like
you're,
either
going
to
get
ordered
for
a
last
half,
which
means
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
to
something
in
the
morning.
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
it's
just
it.
We
need
help.
We
have
fundamental
issues
with
the
police
department
in
I.
Just
hope
we
can
all
make
it
better
for
all
of
us
and
fix
the
school
lunches
too.
Those
are
nasty.
If
we
got
all
this
money,
we
should
fix.
A
A
You
councilor
Murphy,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
read
the
last
five
people
on
my
list
and
we
by
the
way,
are
pushing
the
time.
Bps
gave
us
this
room
till
two,
so
so
I'm
not
going
to
take
anybody
else.
Signing
up
so
I've
got
Donnie
Lee,
Austin,
Frizzell,
kavy,
acrosta,
Stephen,
Canto
and
Dayanara
Rivera
Donnie.
You
have
the
floor.
Oh
you're,
sorry.
Y
I'm
Austin
Frizzell
fine
Austin
go
ahead,
hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Austin
Frizzell
I
am
a
resident
of
Jamaica,
Plain
and
I
have
direct
experience
as
a
pedestrian,
cyclist
driver
and
also
a
bus
passenger
in
Boston
I.
Think
some
of
you
might
have
experienced
the
situations
with
Forest
Hill
shuttles
I
found
it
highly
unsafe
to
have
BPD
directing
traffic
there
and
I
want
to
say
that's
because
I
think
we
need
specialization
in
this
role.
I
want
to
see
civilian
flaggers
very
much
I.
Y
Think
another
thing
to
consider
is
during
this
hearing,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about.
Oh,
it's,
a
cost
of
efficient,
it's
cost
savings
I,
don't
know
the
full
details
of
how
cost
efficient
it
is
for
civilian,
flaggers
and
I.
Do
not
care
I
want
these
jobs
going
to
my
community
I
want
to
build
this
infrastructure.
C
Y
Counselor,
as
my
representative,
that's
what
I
heard
and
I
think
I
will
continue
to
hear
that
as
long
as
you
speak
in
such
disrespectful
terms
to
what
folks
are
saying
they
need
on
the
ground.
So
I
did
hear
you
say
that,
would
your
kids
choose
a
flagging
job
I
think
you
did
not
make
that
statement
in
good
faith,
but
I
do
feel
that
we
had
a
disrespect
for
what
folks
might
choose
to
do
with
their
life
and
I.
Y
Don't
think
it
really
matters
what
people
choose
to
do
with
their
life,
if
they're
contributing
to
our
community,
they
should
be
well
paid
and
well
resource
from
that.
So
I
think
I
just
want
to
really
emphasize
as
a
resident
of
Jamaica
Plain.
We
need
to
consider
this
not
just
as
a
cost
savings,
but
as
a
cost
that
will
benefit
the
safety
of
all
our
communities
through
economic
investment
and
greater
safety
on
our
streets.
Thank.
R
Can
everyone
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
cool,
I'm,
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
Community
member,
dear
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
thee
and
I
live
in
District
Six
I'm,
asking
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
city
council
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
civilianize
construction
details,
so
we
can
employ
hundreds
of
bostonians
with
well
paying
union
jobs.
R
The
biggest
problem
with
the
current
system
of
Contracting
cops
to
where
construction
details
is
you're,
paying
forceful,
armed
agents
of
State
violence
to
do
jobs
that
would
be
better
suited
for
community
members
who
not
only
are
better
qualified
to
navigate
with
community
members,
but
are
also
in
more
need
of
this
community,
especially
with
Rising
rents.
These
days,
this
is
not
a
matter
of
excess
and
overflow
of
vacation
homes
Etc,
but
a
matter
of
need
to
stay
afloat
with
the
rising
cost
of
living
in
Boston.
R
R
Additionally,
as
someone
who
is
a
target
of
police
and
not
a
protectee
I
feel
I
am
directly
benefited
by
decreasing
the
amount
of
police
patrolling
the
streets
with
access
to
well-paid
Union
jobs,
more
families
will
have
access
to
benefits
and
health
care.
We
have
more
opportunity
to
use
that
income
to
pay
for
basic
needs
and
instead
of
investing
any
overflow
into
excess
perks
like
the
police
using
detail,
money
for
families
can
use
it
to
invest
in
self-determined
communities,
well-being
projects
such
as
education,
clinics,
safety,
housing
and
jobs.
The
rally
around
these
Investments
are
much
needed.
R
Neglected
communities
can
use
this
money
to
be
more
independent.
Help
is
enforced
or
divorced
from
the
ask
the
needs
of
those
receiving
help
if
cops,
think
they're
adding
to
safety,
but
the
community
directly
says
you're.
Not
it's
not
the
opinion
of
officers
that
matter
it's
black
and
brown
communities
who
are
affected,
where
we
are
already
largely
profiled
over
policed
and
harmed.
R
There's
no
good
cops
in
a
corrupt
system,
you're
always
claiming
you're
too
busy,
and
we
need
to
hire
more
cops,
but
instead
of
increasing
the
amount
of
forceful
armed
agents
of
State
violence,
who
don't
start
to
course
correct
the
harm
of
policing
throughout
history.
With
these
first
steps
of
giving
details
positions
to
civilians,
this
is
the
precious
opportunity
to
make
a
reasonable
shift
in
policy
that
will
create
more
abundance
and
well-being
for
residents
and
families
in
Boston
who
didn't
it
the
most
in
repping.
R
M
AH
Years
so
I'm
going
to
address
the
hard
feelings
and
and
where
I
think
this
is
all
coming
from
and
I
think
some
of
it
comes
from
your
own
websites.
If
you
read
where
it
says
family
for
justice,
as
healing
demand,
systemic
change
to
Boston
policing
for
our
long-term
goal
of
removing
police
from
the
communities.
AH
AH
We
also
have
Council
Allah
who's
made
tweets,
saying,
abolish
the
police.
We
need
zero
police.
You
know,
there's
all
this
complaint.
You
know
from
your
own
website.
Also,
the
communities
are
over.
Policed
was
so
over
police.
Now
that
there's
shootings
every
day
in
in
the
city.
So
that's
all
the
police
in
the
career.
It's
that
right.
You
you
make
issues
with
what
you
say:
there's
a
racist
issues,
but
you
send
out
racist
tweets
right.
AH
Did
you
send
out
anti-semitic
Tweets
in
the
past
because
I
can
pull
them
up
online
if
I
have
to
I
have
them
here?
But
the
answer
is
you're
asking
you
would
send
it
for
that
and
you
later
came
out
tried
to
apologize,
but
this
is
the
city.
Council
is
trying
to
move
us
into
the
defund,
the
police
thing,
but
we're
going
to
end
up
like
a
Seattle
or
one
of
these
other
cities.
Okay,.
W
AH
Then
you're
going
to
be
fighting
to
try
to
get
police
back
and
hire
police
and
give
out
retention
bonuses
or
hiring
bonuses.
All
because
we're
trying
to
move
towards
a
little
socialist
thing
where
we
want
to
take
the
police
out
of
the
system,
and
you
can
deny
how
you
want.
You
can
shake
your
head.
It's
all
online.
Everyone
wants
to
Google
it.
You
can
Google
it
look
it
up.
Look
at
the
back
of
this
shirt.
All
you
had
to
do
was
Google
the
website
in
the
back
of
this
shirt.
I
read
it
to
you.
AH
E
E
AH
Z
So
I'll
be
reading
for
a
Community
member
who
couldn't
be
here
today.
Her
name
is
Brianna
Rivera
and
she's
17.,
so
living
in
Boston.
My
whole
life
I
can
tell
you
firsthand
that
the
people
who
handle
things
best
when
it
comes
to
creating
a
healthy,
thriving
Community
are
healthy,
thriving
community
members.
Anyone
else
who
has
lived
in
Boston
and
I'm,
not
referring
to
the
Greater
Boston
area,
can
also
tell
you
that
in
our
neighborhood,
the
people
need
resources
and
opportunities
to
provide
a
dignified
lifestyle
for
themselves
and
their
family.
Z
I
have
witnessed
my
family
struggle
to
find
jobs
and
when
they
do
find
a
job,
they
have
to
break
their
backs
to
keep
them
while
making
minimum
wage
struggling
to
survive
off
of
28
000
a
year
with
no
benefits
for
a
full-time
job.
Until
we
abolish
the
police,
we
must
remember.
Police
already
have
a
job
in
Boston.
Police
are
one
of
the
highest
paid
police
officers
in
the
country.
Why
are
we
allowing
police
to
accumulate
overtime
hours,
doing
detailed
jobs
in
my
neighborhood,
when
the
people
in
this
community
are
struggling
to
feed
their
family?
Z
Z
I
spent
the
whole
summer
at
Upward,
Bound
sleeping
in
bu
dorms
for
a
program
connected
to
my
school
I'm,
17
years
old
and
their
kids
younger
than
me
in
this
program.
We
all
notice
one
thing
at
our
stay:
there
was
a
construction
being
done
right
in
front
of
the
Warren
Tower
dorms,
where
we
slept
most
of
the
summer.
The
amount
of
times
we
saw
cops
do
nothing
but
sit
talk
and
eat
is
outrageous.
If
you
can
tell
me
that
cops
are
the
only
people
with
qualifications
to
do
that
job?
That
notion
is
dishonest.
Z
Looking
towards
the
future,
as
I
continue
growing
up
in
Boston,
I
would
like
to
see
community
members
who
have
interest
in
detailing
jobs.
Have
the
access
and
opportunity
we
want
jobs
for
all,
which
means
whoever
will
be
responsible
for
overseeing
these
detailed
jobs.
Detailing
jobs
must
be
willing
to
be
Quarry
friendly
and
give
equal
opportunity
to
those
who
are
formally
incarcerated.
Z
Providing
jobs
for
formally
incarcerated
people
should
be
a
priority
because
they
also
have
the
right
to
provide
for
their
family,
which
also
breaks
the
cycle
of
incarceration
as
I
close
I
want
to
remember
everybody
that
at
families
for
justice
is
healing,
we
are
creating.
What
different
looks
like
and
the
goal
is
to
create
a
healthy
third
Living
Community
for
all,
and
that
starts
with
a
dignified
income.