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Description
Docket #1511 - Hearing regarding city regulation of the proximity of certain businesses to recovery facilities
A
B
Thank
You
chairwoman
and
thank
you
for
hosting
this.
This
I
think
a
very
important
conversation
and
one
that
is
very
relevant
to
the
emerging
industry
that
we
have
in
the
Massachusetts.
I
want
to
do
a
couple
things
in
my
opening
comments.
I
want
to
set
the
record
straight
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
what
I
saw
as
the
goals
for
today's
hearing
one.
B
I've
found
in
conversations
are
there
with
the
retailer's
or
with
the
public
that
those
voices,
those
experts
or
those
who
have
been
in
the
trenches
or
those
people
who
are
survivors
and
thrivers
a
past
addiction
are
not
at
the
table.
This
is
not
at
all
a
conversation
questioning
legalization
of
marijuana.
It
is,
it
is
a
legalized
industry.
I
myself
voted
to
legalize
this
industry.
I
felt
it
was
an
equity
issue.
I
felt
it
was
one
of
dealing
with
systemic
racism
in
our
criminal
justice
system.
So
therefore
I
support
and
would
wrote
again
to
legalize
marijuana.
B
When
it
comes
to
alcohol-
and
we
probably
have
learned
a
great
deal
of
hard
learn
lessons
about
that.
It's
very
true
that
we
have
not
taken
that
perspective,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
shouldn't
there
wasn't,
for
example,
an
equity
analysis
at
all
when
it
comes
to
a
lot
of
liquor
licenses
until
it
was
too
late.
Does
that
mean
we
shouldn't
be
having
that
conversation?
B
Now,
when
it
comes
to
marijuana-
and
there
may
have
not
been
enough
of
a
conversation
about
a
buffer
zone
about
advertising-
that
a
lot
of
alcohol
stores
get
to
do
how
they
advertise
and
targeted
children
I
only
found
that
actually
at
when
it
comes
to
cigarette
companies,
that
there
was
a
direct,
concerted
effort
to
get
our
kids
addicted
to
cigarettes.
So
having
a
conversation
for
the
first
time
is
not
a
bad
thing,
I
think
it
means
you're
bringing
a
unique
perspective
too,
to
an
emerging
industry.
In
dealing
with
this
issue.
B
B
B
This
is
also
a
conversation
about
how
we
should
be
talking
about
marijuana
in
this
emerging
industry.
I
would
encourage
those
proponents
and
opponents
to
rise
to
the
level
of
adult
conversation
and
quit
fear-mongering
on
both
sides.
I
find
that
those
who
oppose
it
heavily
have
used
bad
science
and
those
who
have
proposed
it
have
used
bad
science
and
they
use
it
and
they
use
people
who
have
gone
through
addiction
as
playthings
for
their
ultimate
goals
of
being
able
to
make
money
or
oppose
an
industry.
It's
childish.
B
The
goal
is
to
get
it
right,
so,
yes,
we
might
be
moving
slower
than
what
most
people
had
intended,
but
it's
worth
that
to
get
it
done
right.
So
I
only
say
that
again
to
make
sure
that
we
get
this
record
straight
that
the
folks
here
are
not
here.
In
opposition,
we
are
going
to
have
recreational
pot
stores
in
East
Boston
in
South
Boston
in
Dorchester
and
Matapan
and
all
throughout
Boston.
B
That's
not
a
question
of
if
the
question
is
how
and
what
is
best
for
our
neighborhoods,
and
that
is
our
job
as
city
councilors,
to
make
sure
that
we
do
that.
So
again,
I
encourage
the
proponents
and
the
opponents
to
again
rise.
The
level
of
adult
convert
conversation,
stop
the
fear-mongering,
stop
accusing
people
of
trying
to
be
NIMBYs,
stop
accusing
people
of
being
bigots
or
trying
to
stop
an
industry.
B
C
Thank
You
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
co-sponsor
for
her
work
and
certainly
her
interest
in
passion
in
this
topic.
As
chair
of
the
committee
and
homelessness,
mental
health
and
recovery,
we
have
heard
time
and
time
again
about
some
of
the
concerns
that
in
recovery
face
as
their
striving
for
and
working
towards,
a
lifetime
of
recovery.
So
we
we
hear
about
the
placement
of
certain
facilities,
whether
they
be
treatment,
fits
facilities,
m80
facilities
and
other
services
in
proximity
to
where
individuals
are
striving
and
working
towards
recovery.
C
So
I
have
some
specific
concerns
about
those
about
that
proximity
and
about
the
impact
that
different
types
of
facilities,
whether
they
be
marijuana
or
others,
have
on
the
impact
of
someone
who
is
working
towards
recovery,
so
very
interested
to
hear
today
from
everyone,
both
the
panelists
in
public
testimony
and
better
understand
how
we
can
support
all
residents
across
the
city,
chair,
council
Redwoods.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
You
councillor
sabi
George,
councillor,
Baker,
Thank,
You
councillor,
so
again,
we'll
we'll
start
with
five
folks
who
have
signed
up
to
testify
first
and
then
to
our
panel.
Those
five
people
are:
will
Luger
Charlie,
Ahern,
Irish,
Kolani,
Joseph,
Gilmore
and
Sonya
Erica.
So
again
you
can
use
either
podium
and
don't
worry
about
the
microphones
they'll
turn
on
on
their
own.
If
you
give
it
a
minute
and
if
you
could
introduce
your
name
address
and
affiliation
for
the
record
and
testimony
of
two
minutes
and
under.
Thank
you
good.
D
Morning,
my
name
is:
will
lousier
I
live
in
Alston
Brighton
at
26,
Riverdale
Street
I've
been
a
resident
of
Alston
Brighton
for
43
years
I'm,
the
former
campaign
manager
for
the
campaign
to
regulate
marijuana
like
alcohol
and
currently
a
consultant
to
applicants
seeking
to
engage
in
cannabis,
commerce
and
full
disclosure.
I'm
working
with
Omni
can
a
family-owned
business
seeking
to
open
a
retail
dispensary
in
East
Boston.
However,
my
opinions
expressed
today
are
solely
my
own
and
do
not
and
should
not
be
attributed
to
any
of
my
clients.
D
I
spent
the
last
six
and
a
half
years
of
my
32
years
of
service
to
the
Commonwealth
as
executive
director
of
the
interagency
Council
on
substance,
abuse
and
prevention.
So
I
have
a
working
knowledge
of
substance,
abuse
programs
and
treatment
in
Massachusetts.
Good
government
makes
policy
based
on
facts
and
data,
not
on
fear
not
a
social
science
researcher,
but
I
have
found
absolutely
no
studies
that
indicate
that
a
substance
abuse
treatment
facility
is
any
less
effective
in
its
treatment
if
it
is
located
near
a
cannabis
dispensary
or
an
alcohol
purveyor.
D
In
fact,
the
effectiveness
of
treatment
is
demonstrated
every
day
in
the
Commonwealth
and
now,
even
though
a
store
offering
alcohol
might
be
nearby,
the
proposal
to
establish
a
protective
dome
around
treatment
facilities
is
problematic
for
several
reasons.
What
is
a
treatment
facility?
Is
it
a
church
basement
where
a
12-step
program
takes
place?
Is
it
a
sober
home
or
a
halfway
house?
Is
it
a
medical
office
that
provides
medication
assisted
treatment
further,
if
such
zones
are
created,
alcohol
establishments
are
not
going
to
be
required
to
move,
and
so
this
idea
will
disproportionately
and
discriminatorily
affect
cannabis.
D
Commerce,
with
the
current
half-mile
buffer
and
the
difficulty
in
finding
sighting
locations
locations
that
can
accommodate
cannabis.
Commerce
are
very
rare
to
impose
another
late
inspired
buffer
zone
after
applicants
have
located
available
sites
is
unreasonable.
The
current
illicit
market
has
been
supplying
cannabis
to
adult
users
for
many
years
to
transfer,
to
transition
that
market
to
shops,
that
check
ID
for
IDs
offer,
tested
and
clearly
labelled
products,
and
no
other
illegal
products
should
allay
the
fear
and
stigma
that
has
been
propagandized
of
cannabis
commerce.
For
many
years.
D
E
Good
morning
my
name
is
Charlie.
Ahern
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
Robert
melian,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
the
Massachusetts
package
store
association?
Mr.
million
could
not
attend
today
because
he's
actually
in
western
Massachusetts
teaching
a
beverage
alcohol
training
course.
At
this
moment,
and
during
these
courses
package
store
owners
learn
how
to
do
things
such
as
check
IDs,
so
that
they
don't
sell
to
minors.
E
They
also
learn
signs
of
intoxication
from
alcohol
or
other
drugs,
so
that
they're,
not
selling
alcohol,
to
people
who
are
already
intoxicated,
and
these
training
courses
are
one
of
many
things
that
mass
PAC
does
to
ensure
its
members
remain
good
citizens.
They
also
work.
They
have
a
long
history
of
working
collaboratively
with
the
law
enforcement
and
different
groups
such
as
Mothers
Against,
Drunk
Driving,
and
we
would
also
like
to
work
collaboratively
with
you
on
this
issue.
E
We
have
some
concerns
about
the
potential
impact
this
would
have
on
the
interest
of
existing
license
holders
and
what
this
might
mean
for
their
business
and
the
value
of
their
license,
but
we
do
hope
to
work
with
you
on
this
issue.
You
know
we'd
love
us
a
seat
at
the
table
as
the
ordinance
is
drafted
and
you
know
we're
we're
happy
to
help
in
any
way
we
can.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
answer
them.
Thank.
E
A
A
F
Name
is
Eric
Lonnie
I'm
a
currently
a
South
Boston
resident
I'm,
also
the
president
of
Omni
Ken,
and
we
are
seeking
to
open
a
cannabis
retail
facility
on
Porter
Street
in
East.
Boston
I
make
a
personal
commitment
that
we
will
be
a
good
civic
and
business
neighbor
in
this
East
Boston
neighborhood
I
truly
believe
that
our
presence
will
in
no
way
impact
the
good
work
done
by
North
Suffolk
mental
health.
F
This
is
indubitably
a
well-intentioned
proposal,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
our
presence
or
the
presence
of
any
cannabis
would
harm
individuals
receiving
addiction
treatment
in
a
nearby
facility
treatment.
Centers
have
been
operating
for
years
in
the
presence
of
alcohol
sellers
such
as
package
stores,
bars
and
restaurants,
to
create
a
restriction
that
has
never
been
considered
for
liquor.
Sellers
is
unfair
and
is
a
double
standard.
No
evidence
exists
that
links
the
presence
of
cannabis
stores
with
relapses
among
those
receiving
addiction
treatment.
F
On
the
contrary,
evidence
does
exist
linking
legal
cannabis
to
lower
rates
of
opioid,
overyou
overdoses
and
deaths.
But
the
primary
question
before
us
is
one
of
fairness.
It's
not
fair
to
pace
additional
restrictions
on
entrepreneurs
who
already
face
significant
restrictions.
A
buffer
zone
would
dramatically
increase
the
difficulty
of
locating
suitable
property
in
Boston
for
a
legal
cannabis
store.
This
proposal
would
be
a
major
setback
for
all
applicants,
including
minority
and
equity
applicants.
F
The
better
path
forward
is
to
build
effective
working
relationships
between
cannabis
and
alcohol,
sellers
and
providers
and
recipients
of
addiction
services.
That
approach
will
provide
true
benefits
to
all
the
involved
parties.
To
this
day,
our
team
has
collected
the
support
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
local
East
Boston
residents
store
owners,
landlords
and
employees
supporting
our
location
at
24,
Porter
Street
through
support
forum
letters.
That
is
the
approach
Omni
can
is
committed
to
in
our
neighborhood.
Thank
you
thank.
G
What's
important
is
education
and
ensuring
that
you
know
revenues
go
towards
allocating
towards
you
know
helping
that
crisis,
and
one
more
thing
is
that
I
just
find
it
hypocritical
that
there's
a
proposed
or
thinking
about
a
buffer
zone
for
cannabis
facilities
when
there
is
none
for
pharmacies
or
alcohol
stores
and
again
this
would
create
just
more
issues
for
people
who
are
trying
to
open
a
cannabis
business,
because
it's
already
difficult.
There
aren't
many
sites
available
in
Boston
and
this
would
particularly
hurt
those
without
a
lot
of
capital.
So
those
are
my
comments
and
thank
you.
B
The
context
correct
this
would
apply
to
liquor
stores
to
bars
as
also
to
recreational
facilities
for
marijuana.
So,
if
implemented,
this
bar
this
buffer
zone
would
apply
to
them.
No,
we
could
not
grandfather
folks
who
already
exist,
but
in
as
much
as
we
are
talking
about
liquor,
license
equity
and
pushing
out
more
liquor
licenses,
and
we
have
been
trying
to
do
that
if
this
kind
of
whatever
we
proposed
it
would
be
also
applying
to
them
and.
H
H
The
only
thing
that
I
really
want
to
make
sure
is
that
all
of
the
community
members
in
that
area
are
very
much
in
participation
with
the
businesses
that
exist,
so
in
full
conversation
of
where
that
3%
is
going
and
who
it's
going
to,
and
also
making
sure
that
full
communication
is
created
from
open
from
now
to
opening
of
whatever
business
exists
there.
So
that's
that's
the
only
thing
that
I
would
say:
Thank
You,.
A
I
Thank
you,
chairman,
Wu
and
councillor
slept
with
George
councillor
Edwards
and
councillor
Baker
for
being
here
today
and
for
hosting
this
conversation
from
a
Health
and
Human
Services
perspective.
This
is
an
important
conversation
to
be
having
our
residents
are,
seeking
treatment
for
substance,
use
disorder
and
there's
no
question
and
I've
been
here
before
in
front
of
you
all
talking
about
this
epidemic.
I
Talking
about
the
lack
of
services
and
resources
than
the
need
to
have
conversation
about
prioritizing,
what's
necessary
to
make
sure
that
we're
helping
all
Bostonians
get
on
a
path
to
health
and
wellness,
as
I've
said
before
and
I
won't
take.
I
won't
miss
an
opportunity
to
say
it
again,
while
state
data
tells
us
that
this
issue
is
flattening
out
or
on
the
decline.
I
That
is
not
the
case
in
the
city
of
Boston,
we
see
overdoses,
we
see
folks
continuing
to
be
impacted
by
the
disease,
and
that
has
not
changed
from
our
medical
facilities
and
our
programs
and
our
treatment
programs
who
some
of
which
you'll
hear
from
today.
As
we
think
about
this,
we're
here
in
Boston,
one
of
the
realities
is,
we
have
close
to
90
licensed
treatment
facilities
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
the
geography
of
those
facilities
are
pretty
diverse
in
a
variety
of
different
neighborhoods.
I
And
while
the
predominant
conversation
around
substance
use
disorders
been
about
opioid
use,
these
facilities
are
helping.
People
recover
from
an
array
of
substances
and
I
will
tell
you
today.
Ninety
is
not
enough.
We
need
more
treatment
opportunities,
we
mean,
or
we
need
more
step-down
beds.
We
need
more
residential
programs,
we
need
more
treatment
facilities
in
different
corners
and
different
neighborhoods
to
lower
the
barrier
of
access
to
care,
and
we
have
to
be
mindful
that
the
needs
of
our
clients
seeking
treatment
are
as
diverse
as
their
backgrounds.
I
Clients
who
are
looking
for
support
and
looking
for
care
need
to
be
able
to
find
it
in
a
place
where
they
can
get
access
to
healthy
resources
and
in
opportunities.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
are
investing
and
doing
the
work
as
the
administration
to
create
a
recovery
campus
on
Long
Island,
because
we
need
more
services
and
with
your
support,
as
the
council
support,
we
need
those
services
and
those
opportunities
to
exist
in
a
variety
different
locations.
One
of
the
reasons
we
do.
I
That
is
because
we
need
folks
to
have
the
ability
to
access
services
and
neighborhoods
that
are
gonna,
pull
them
away
from
the
triggers
that
might
be
in
front
of
them.
There's
no
question
that
when
folks
are
in
the
grip
of
disease,
when
folks
are
battling,
addiction,
seeing
folks
use
drugs
in
neighborhoods
or
down
the
street
or
in
variety
of
different
scenarios
that
you
all
are
aware
of
can
be
a
challenge
for
folks
to
stay
in
treatment
to
stay
in
recovery
and
some
of
those
triggering
experiences.
I
I
We
see
that
as
the
case,
and
we
understand
this
conversation
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
we
face
is
a
balance
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
think
about
access
to
services,
access
to
opportunities
around
recovery,
but
also
how
we
make
sure
that
a
conversation
you
all
led
here
that
it
was
important
to
me
to
watch
and
see
about
equity,
around
access
around
cannabis,
dispensaries
and
recreational
cells
and
and
everything
that
exists
Hato,
making
sure
we
find
that
balance
between
those
facilities,
their
neighborhoods
and
the
treatment
programs
that
exist.
You're.
I
Never
gonna,
hear
me
as
the
chief
of
Health
and
Human
Services,
not
talk
about.
What's
gonna
keep
Boston
healthy,
not
talk
about
the
path
of
making
sure
that
folks
are
healthy
and,
as
we
think
about
that,
we
do
have
new
complexities
around
recreational
marijuana
use
that
we
have
to
consider
and
think
about,
especially
when
it
comes
to
young
people.
But
this
path
of
thinking
about
regulations
and
zoning.
I
And
what
that
could
look
like
is
a
conversation
that
has
to
take
into
account
the
balance
of
neighborhood
voices
neighborhood
perspective
and
going
through
a
conversation
to
ensure
that
people
can
have
their
voices
heard,
while
at
the
same
time
making
sure
that
we
balance
that
out
with
where
people
are
getting
their
treatment
and
their
needs
met.
The
one
concern
that
I
offer
to
you,
always
as
we
look
for
more
treatment.
I
One
of
the
questions
I
think
we
need
to
put
in
the
mix
if
an
ordinance
like
this
was
to
come
about
what
would
happen
if
we
want
to
put
a
treatment
facility
in
a
place
where
there
are
there,
there
may
be
a
marijuana
recreational
store.
There
may
be
a
liquor
store.
Well
that
will
the
opposite
be
true.
That
now
record
treatment,
programs
or
recovery
centers
will
have
a
challenge
being
cited
in
the
community,
because,
let's
be
clear,
they
also
already
have
a
challenge
being
cited
in
the
community.
I
Neighborhoods
often
don't
want
these
facilities
in
their
neighborhoods
either,
and
so
that's
another
challenge
that
I
would
raise
up.
We
think
stakeholder
voice
is
critical
to
this
process,
and
chief
Smith
is
gonna
sort
of
talk
through
that,
because
this
is
where
we
think
the
balance
is
necessary,
where
we
think
that
this
is
probably
the
process,
that's
most
likely
to
help
us
have
that
balance
between.
I
How
do
we
make
sure
people
can
get
their
needs
met,
get
their
needs
met
in
the
right
facilities
that
are
not
triggered,
but
how
do
we
make
sure
we're
creating
equitable
access
for
an
industry
that
we
all
agree
is
legal,
and
that
is
here
in
front
of
us
to
that
so
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
chief
Smith
to
sort
of
talk
about
what
we
think
is
sort
of
that
path.
To
make
sure
that
we
can
do
this
balance
as
a
city.
J
I'm
just
gonna
touch
off
a
little
bit
on
the
from
the
conversation
I
had
with
you
guys
in
the
council
at
the
last
hearing
last
week,
because
it's
similar
nature
sighting
for
the
thing
you
know
our
concern
is
when
we
were
sitting
when
we
were
discussing
what,
if
any
zoning
changes,
we
should
make,
we
actually
sat
around
and
had
a
whole
host
a
series
of
lists
of
things
that
we
could
add.
Should
we
add
bus
stops?
Should
we
add
parks?
Should
we
add
daycare
centers
getting
the
conversation
daycare
center?
J
Anybody
can
have
a
daycare
center
in
a
triple-decker
okay.
So
how
do
we
find
those?
How
do
we
plot
those?
We
talked
about
sober
home,
sober
homes
aren't
really
defined
by
the
state,
but
they
are
everywhere
and
they
are
prevalent
and
some
neighborhoods
have
a
lot
of
silver
homes
more
than
any
other
neighborhood.
So
if
we
were
to
put
an
ordinance
like
this,
the
concern
would
be.
J
J
This
is
how
we
operate.
This
is
who
our
clients
are
and
I
think
that
they
should
be
able
to
be
part
and
considered
part
of
the
process
that,
ultimately,
the
community
of
which
the
Recovery
Center
is
in,
is
a
part
of
community.
They
should
tell
us,
you
know
what
city
of
Boston
we
believe
that
at
this
location
is
not
the
best
but
we're
supportive
of
a
location
over
here
and
we're
supportive
of
an
occasion
over
here
and
and
I,
and
it's
just
going
to
become
this
dynamic.
J
As
everybody
gets
comfortable
and
more
involved
in
this
process
and
more
and
like
the
counselor
said
once
we
get
past
the
fighting
over
the
policy
of
whether
marijuana
should
be
legal
and
we
start
getting
it
to
the
siting.
I
think
you
actually
we'll
see
communities
the
Hancock
Street
in
Dorchester,
very
we're
very
detailed.
They
have
concerns
about
the
two
bus
stops
this
the
store
in
the
middle
of
the
do
pas
stops.
They
believe
that
will
impact
their
transportation
route,
so
they
were
able
to
spell
it
all
out
to
us.
J
In
a
letter
it's
happening
and
bright
and
now
on
Washington
Street
residents
are
clearly
laying
out
what
they
think
will
be
the
impacts
of
an
establishment,
and
so
I
think
that
the
more
that
we
get
residents
and
organizations
and
nonprofits
particularly
nonprofits.
They
are
part
of
the
community.
They
should
feel
as
though
they
have
a
voice
to
interject
with
the
city,
but
that
should
be
the
process,
as
opposed
to
putting
zoning
in,
because
I
would
just
worry
that,
as
we
put
add
more
items
to
the
list,
we
are
definitely
shrinking.
J
A
I
J
A
B
Here
today,
I
am
I'm
particularly
curious.
I'll
start
with
the
health,
the
chief
of
health
right
now,
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
an
opinion
at
all.
We
already
have,
for
example,
the
half-mile
buffer
zone,
I,
think
that
was
implemented
when
it
comes
to
medical
marijuana
facilities,
treatment
facilities
in
2016.
But
do
you
do
you
find
or
do
you
have
an
opinion
yet
about
any
kind
of
distancing
of
the
two
just
off
you
know,
if
you
don't
that's
fine,
but
yeah.
I
I
mean
currently
and
I.
Think
many
of
your
speakers
spoke
to
this
there's,
not
a
lot
of
data
that
speaks
to
that.
So
we
don't,
we
don't
have
an
opinion
around
scientifically.
This
is
what
we
see,
but,
of
course,
and
again
you're
gonna
hear
from
providers
folks
who
are
providing
these
services
in
a
community.
It
is
a
concern
they
have
about
the
lack
of
data
and
lack
of
understanding
and
when
folks
feel,
like
clients
are
being
triggered
by
seeing
things
happen
in
a
neighborhood.
There's
no
question:
it
impacts
their
their
recovery
path.
I
B
You
talked
or
reviewed
any
other
regulations
from
other
states
I'm
reading
here
from
some
testimony
that
Colorado
New
Mexico
both
prohibit
a
location
with
a
thousand
feet
of
a
school
and
alcohol
or
drug
treatment
facility
already
so
Colorado
and
New
Mexico
do
that?
Have
you
familiarity
with
those
state's
regulations
or
those
zoning.
I
B
No
because
I
find
it
interesting
at
Colorado,
I
think
has
like
700
dispensaries
and
they
managed
to
do
so
with
granted
their
distances
only
a
thousand
feet,
but
they
were
able
to
do
so
with
schools
and
with
treatment
facilities
and
have
still
what
some
would
consider
a
very
thriving
industry.
A
new
industry
come
and
being
rolled
out
there.
D
B
Have
some
direct
or
might
have
might
feel
directly
impacted
by
proximity?
Is
it
would?
How
would
you
define
that
because
I
agree
that
think
the
question
I
think
I'm,
sorry,
sir,
that
you
brought
up
in
your
testimony
is
how
would
it
be
defined,
is
key
to
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
a
moving
target
all
the
time
that
the
fact
that
a
church
basement
where
we'll
meet
for
a
a
is
is
different
than
say
the
community
center
when
a
meets
is
different
from
all
these
different
other
thing.
J
Counts:
you'll
see
that
the
cannabis
Control
Commission
grapple
with
that
same
thing,
because
originally
they
were
going
with
the
plan
called
the
place
where
kids
congregate
I
mean
you
saw
that
language
stricken
in
their
process,
because
that
caused
a
lot
of
questions.
What
do
you
call?
What
do
you
call
a
place
where
kids
congregate?
Is
it
a
bus?
Stop
if
they
go
on
the
ice-cream
shop?
If
they
go
here,
it's
so
it
just.
J
I
I
B
I
I
J
I
Does
but
it
only
includes
those
that
are
licensed
by
the
state,
and
so
there
are
other
things,
whether
they're
group,
homes
or
sober
homes,
or
a
variety
different
programming
and
services
that
are
supported
in
nature,
for
the
same
population
that
are
not
licensed
by
the
state,
so
that
number
doesn't
include
them
so
that
numbers
places
where
people
are
actually
getting
treatment
or
maybe
in
a
residential
program.
Our
community
health
centers
are
also
licensed,
most
of
them
to
be
able
to
provide
the
same
services
and
not
all
of
them.
I
C
J
We,
when
we,
when
we
thought
about
the
originally
I
think
when
we
put
before
the
council
I,
think
it
was
a
mile
buffer
zone,
I,
think
the
council,
through
the
process,
you
guys
had
come
back
and
thought
that
the
half
mile
was
a
better.
It
was
better
suited.
We
played
with
GPS
mapping
just
randomly,
went
into
business
centers
and
put
on
a
drop
and
then
did
a
half
mile.
J
We
feel
as
though
that
we
are
comfortable
with
the
current
zoning
that
we
could
fit
the
minimum
of
I,
think
50
or
51
licenses
in
the
city
of
Boston,
so
we're
confident
that
we
can
get
to
that
number.
I.
Think
that,
as
the
city
in
the
industry
grows,
we
were
to
have
more
than
51
I.
Think
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
lengths
of
the
buffer
zones.
I
J
It
would
change
that
if
we
had
to
add
another
factor
into
the
mapping
cuz,
it
was
very
tight
and
in
some
of
the
places
you
would
naturally
think
that
you
may
want
to
have
two
establishments,
but
we
live
by
the
half
mile.
It
really
Shrunk
the
city
down.
We.
When
you
look
at
school
zones,
the
city
is
covered
in
school
zones,
and
so
it
was
very
hard
for
us
to
do
it.
We
successfully
believe
that
we
can
but
I,
but
we
have
internally.
C
C
J
Would
we
would
run
the
risk
of
proponents
of
the
industry
going
to
the
CCC
saying
that
the
city
of
Boston
has
created
an
undue
burden
for
the
industry
and
then
the
they
could
rule
that
we
have
and
we
would
have
to
change?
We
would
have
to
conform
to
allow
the
industry
to
grow
and
not
be
such
a
burden.
There's.
C
J
I
know
that
we
have
been
mindful
I
know:
Alexa
has
been
mindful
both
with
the
community
host
agreements
and
with
the
zoning
that
we
do
not
be
perceived
by
the
CCC
as
being
overly
burdensome,
because
we
would
be
concerned
about
them
interceding
in
the
city
prop
and
the
city's
process
of
siting.
So
we
felt
that
we
we
didn't.
We
saw
other
towns
when
the
entry
came
out.
You
saw
other
talents
instantly
just
do
moratoriums
and
bands.
The
mayor
said
that
that
was
not
the
case.
J
J
But
that's
why
I
think
it's
it's
timely
for
us
to
have
this
conversation
about
recoveries
because,
like
like
the
chief
said,
I
have
a
tough
time
when
an
agency
comes
in
and
says
that
they
want
to
put
a
center
in
a
and
I
have
to
make
the
community
meeting
and
reach
out
to
the
neighbor
activists.
We
instantly
just
say
no
and
it's
a
tough
time,
citing
these
things
and
I
think
both
both
industries
are
having
a
tough
time
in
city
of
Boston
and
we
need
both
of
them
and.
C
Then,
chief
Martinez,
you
know
thinking
about
supporting
any
of
the
organizations
that
are
doing
recovery,
work
that
are
being
supportive.
We
think
about
individuals
who
are
experiencing
substance,
use
disorders,
I
think
my
my
hope
is
and
I,
don't
doubt
that
you
are
cabinet
is
doing.
This
work
is
supporting
those
organizations,
especially
as
we
see
you
know
whether
it's
a
liquor,
store
or
cannabis.
Establishment
coming
in
I'm
sure
that
we're
supporting
through
organizations
that
are
working
in
the
recovery
field,
yeah.
I
Absolutely,
and
so
we
we
tell
our
organizations
like
like
I'ma,
show
you
some
of
you
tell
your
constituents
you
get
in.
Let's
you
should
get
involved
in
that
community
process.
We
want
you
to
get
involved
if
you're
a
hospital,
your
facility
or
your
program,
here's
the
community
meeting
get
involved.
This
is
the
lay
is
on
doing
the
work,
so
we
encourage
them
to
get
involved
because
we
want
their
voices
to
get
hurt
in
the
process
and.
K
Chief
Martinez,
you
know
how
how
cannabis
could
potentially
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
recovery
community.
What
what
are
the
experts
saying
is
that
is
that
a
true
statement
I
mean
I,
have
my
own
feelings.
You.
K
I
It's
part
of
the
conversation
and
in
the
public
health
space
you.
It
is
definitely
part
of
the
conversation.
If
you
remember
a
path
for
many
people
into
into
addiction
is
about
pain,
relief
right,
that's
how
we
can
start
for
many
folks,
yeah,
and
so
it
becomes
another
alternative
right.
It's
part
of
the
conversation
that
providers
are
having
advocates
are
having
et
cetera,
but
I
don't
want
to
miss
the
piece
that
also
part
of
that
conversation.
I
As
you
know,
the
city
just
released
a
youth
substance,
abuse
plan
and
part
of
the
conversation
is
also
about
the
impact
of
greater
access
to
recreational
marijuana,
use
on
young
people
and
their
use,
and
so
it's
sort
of
again
you're
gonna,
hear
me
see
balance
it.
There
has
to
be
a
balance
when
you
look
at
it,
but
to
your
original
point.
Yes,
it's
part
of
the
conversation
yeah.
K
Because,
from
from
my
experience
when,
when
people
are
on
the
opioids,
the
last
thing
they
want
to
do
is
is
I
think
that's
probably
10th
on
the
menu
we'll
Sergei
they're
gonna
they're,
going
after
something
else,
it's
giving
them
a
different
high,
so
yeah
and
I'm
a
little
conflicted
a
little
bit
conflicted
on
this
part
of
it
makes
sense
where
you
say
you
know,
maybe
if
we
start
citing
cannabis,
use
whatever
it's
a
dispensary
or
or
a
lab
or
whatever
it's
gonna
be
you're
saying
that
may
preclude
a
a
you
know
some
sort
of
some
sort
of
recovery
option.
I
L
L
One
thing
we
learned
loud
and
clear,
at
Denver,
from
the
police
to
the
health
people
to
the
bureaucracy
that
now
runs
the
show
to
the
shop
owners
to
the
growers,
the
more
restrictions
you
have
the
better,
because
you
can
always
let
the
genie
out
of
the
bottle
a
little
later
on,
but
you
can
never
get
the
toothpaste
back
in
the
in
the
in
the
tube
as
they
say
so,
I'm
all
about
the
restrictions.
I
think
we
touched
on
something
in
the
last
pot.
Hearing
that
we
need
to
touch
on
again
is
I.
L
L
The
news
was
showing
Central
Mass
in
a
big
big
way,
with
the
lines
and
people
urinating
on
people's
lawns
and
waiting
out
for
hours
and
hours,
even
though
I'm
against
the
whole
spiel
altogether.
I
think
we
have
to
open
more
than
one
in
Boston
at
once,
and
we
have
to
time
it
properly
because
if,
let's
say
a
pot
shop
opens
up
on
South
Street
like
we
have
that
meeting
last
week,
just
for
instance,
if
that's
the
only
shop
in
Boston,
if
that
line
happens
there
in
a
neighborhood,
that's
gonna
be
a
disaster.
L
So
we
really
have
to
time
that
up
properly
it's
more
of
a
statement
on
a
question.
The
other
thing
that
we
talked
about
at
that
meeting
is
500
feet.
I,
think
people
haven't
exaggerated
I
think
they
exaggerated
the
length
of
500
feet.
500
feet
is
really
166
yards
right.
So
if
anybody
walks
a
track
around
a
football
field,
that's
basically
from
track
lane
to
the
end
of
the
track
lanes.
It's
about
166
yards!
It's
not
that
far.
L
You
could
I
mean
you
could
hit
a
golf
ball
that
far
so
when
people
say
oh,
it's
500
feet
next
to
a
I
think
they
I
think
we
have
to.
We
have
to
make
sure
we
have
a
reference
point,
especially
at
those
meetings
of
what
500
feet
is
in
a
circle,
because
it
would
help
people
understand
the
500
feet,
isn't
3/4
of
a
mile.
It's
not
that
long
at
all.
L
The
other
thing
is
about.
As
far
as
the
restriction
goes.
I
know,
there's
some
concerning
about
people
sue
in
the
city.
I,
don't
worry
about
I
I!
Never
have
worry
about
that.
We
have
a
sixth
floor.
That's
full
of
lawyers
and
they've
got
we've
got
plenty
of,
they
may
can
get
more
paperwork
and
they
can
do
their
thing.
I
have
no
problem
with
my
confidence
in
the
sixth
law,
defending
the
city
of
Boston,
so
I
wouldn't
be
afraid
of
being
soon
and
I.
L
Do
I
am
concerned
with
what
chief
Martinez
alluded
to
at
the
beginning
of
the
flip
side
of
wood
wood,
a
recovery-
let's
say
let's
say
South
Street-
will
stay
on
that
if
a
recovery
house
was
purchased,
would
they
trigger
not
with
Aden
outrigger
variants?
We
had
with
that
because
usually
they
don't
have
to
go
through
community
meeting
now
correct.
J
It
would
depend
on
the
building
that
they
are
trying
to
move
into
if
the
building
is
zoned
medical
or
something
of
that
nature,
they
could
probably
slide
in.
But
if
you
know,
if
it's
a
residential
facility
and
say
it's
like
a
three
family
and
they
want
to
go
on
and
make
it
it,
you
know
single
room
occupancy
or
something
like
that.
That
would
trigger
zoning,
which
requires,
as
you
know,
a
community
meeting.
J
The
butter
is
meeting
they'd
have
to
go
to
the
CBA
and
the
residents
can
they
they
they're
very
skilled
at
this
is
the
CV
they
could
slow
something
like
that
down.
They'll
they'll
point
to
the
five
others
that
are
in
the
neighborhood
and
it
it
just.
It
becomes
this
nasty
kind
of
conversation,
and
here
you
are
have
an
agency
who
is
actually
really
trying
to
help
people,
and
this
will
stabilize
their
lives.
J
M
A
M
Coming
them,
okay,
yeah
sure,
just
a
read,
sure
they've
prepared
remarks.
Oh
I
didn't
see
anyone
from
the
gamin
foundation
here,
but
that
the
two
folks
drum
again
and
Willie
AUSA
guy,
had
two
folks
I
trust
and
fatica
Lee
on
the
issue
of
treatment
and
recovery.
They've
been
walking
the
walk
for
decades
and
they
sort
of
lay
out
sort
of
three
answers
to
three
questions
which
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
our
colleagues
to
read
into
to
analyze
them
to
digest
and
to
feel
free
to
ask
them
questions,
because
they
know
it
better
than
anybody.
M
Question
two
really
speaks
to
which
I
would
consider
the
fly
ready.
Buffa,
that's
the
half
mile
before
what
you
German,
I,
you
and
I
know
that
that
is
that's
what
it's
called
and
that's
what
is
called
you
as
the
Korean
and
they
in
it
gives
it
gives
proponents
a
degree
of
predictability
as
to
kind
of
where
they
can
go
when
they
cannot
go
in
and
in
that
world,
with
investment
and
in
real
estate,
etc.
M
I
think
that's
really
paid
dividends
and
also
it
gives
a
degree
of
certainty
to
folks
that
are
in
the
neighborhoods
to
make
sure
that
they,
the
assurance,
is
that
their
neighborhoods
not
going
to
be
sort
of
overrun
with
what
sort
of
the
pot
shop
cannabis
cafe.
That
it'll
be
equitably
distributed
across
the
city,
and
that
was
really
the
in
I.
Think
half.
J
Mile
buffer
yeah,
to
give
you
credit
counsel,
you
took
the
issue
from
the
residents
over
on
Avery
Street
and
the
new
development
in
Downtown
Crossing
and
when
their
position
was
that
they
were
willing
to
allow
Patriot
care
to
come
in
and
be
the
first
establishment
medical
marijuana.
But
they
wanted
some
protections
because
they
saw
the
what's
your
work.
What
you're
worrying
about
now
the
smoke
shops
and
tobacco
stores
popping
up,
and
so
that
was
a
concern
and
loud
and
clear.
M
That's
something
yeah
and
that's,
it
might,
and
one
obviously
have
a
conversation
before
yeah
before
we
do
that.
Obviously,
there's
a
sort
of
the
floor
and
the
ceiling
argument
in
terms
its
based
on
the
number
of
liquor
stores
that
was
described
by
the
chairman
terms
of
what
that
number
is
sort
of
where
the
floor
and
ceiling
is
plus
the
schools
and
and
etc.
M
One
of
the
things
I
think
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
with
respect
to
the
the
smoke
shops
is
that
some
folks
see
that
that's
kind
of
a
I
guess
a
precursor
to
that
being
a
shop.
But
what
we
do
know
from
the
ones
that
are
currently
in
existence
is
that
they're
there
for
the
paraphernalia
they're
there
for
the
smoking
devices.
But
then
they
have
that
gifting
rule.
So
you
can
get
sort
of.
M
J
Seventy
we've
we've
had
a
couple
instances
in
the
city
where
we've
had
to
send
BPD
to
different
establishments,
because
we've
heard
about
the
gift-giving
establish
from
the
warned:
that's
not
necessarily
the
way
that
we
should
be
operating
and
they've
quickly
changed.
So
we've
any
time
that
we
hear
about
it
or
if
you
hear
a
store
that
may
be
doing
something
of
that
nature.
Let
us
know
we
can
look
into
it.
Yeah.
J
J
And
I
know
that
it
was
of
great
concern
in
South
Boston
councillor.
This
lots
of
smoke
shops
too
opened
up
on
Dorchester
right
where
I
lived
right,
zhabin
Olav,
they
don't
have
two
square
footage
to
ever
be
actually
a
recreational
retail.
They
don't
have
the
safe
space
in
the
back,
the
vault,
the
processing,
the
security
door
up
front
where
you
have
to
get
screened
first
and
then
get
allowed
into
the
establishment.
J
Where
there's
always
somebody
with
you,
so
they
just
sell
apparatus
and
so
I
wish
they
would
put
more
investment
in
their
company
and
you
know
make
it
look
not
so
neon
lights
and
bright
white.
But
it's
just
a
taste
thing,
but
it's
I
can
see
that
it's
a
concern
because
they
are
popping
up
everywhere
because
again,
I
see
more.
J
Not
only
do
these
recreational
licenses
are
important
for
the
individuals
with
access
to
them,
but
all
the
other
businesses
that
are
not
going
to
feed
off
of
it's
very
important
and
people
are
going
to
start
making
money
off
the
industry,
we're
seeing
it
with
these
smoke
shops.
When
the
CCC
finally
puts
out
regulations
on
social
consumption,
we're
gonna,
see
bars
and
cafes
and
restaurants
and
the
City
Boston's
gonna
have
to
make
a
decision
about.
Do
we
want
liquor
in
marijuana
cafes?
Do
we
want
them
to
be
separate?
Do
we
want
food?
M
The
other
piece
of
the
half-mile
buffer
was
to
really
protect
our
local
business
districts
and
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
neighborhoods
have
a
diversity
of
different
businesses,
because
what
happens
is
that
the
cannabis
industry
will
drive
the
rent
up
so,
whether
it's
the
coffee
shop
or
the
bakery
or
the
clothing
store,
that's
paying.
You
know
a
decent
right
now
you
will
see
those
rents
double
and
triple,
and
the
only
ones
that
will
actually
be
able
to
compete
in
Arina
on
the
rent.
M
J
M
They
had
a
seat
at
the
table
when
we
were
putting
that
together.
I
know
that
there's
several
folks
that
are
in
here
today
that
you
know
that
initially
had
some
concerns,
but
then
they
in
the
you
know
they
they
work
with
us
to
make
sure
that
we
created
something
that
was
good
for
Boston
and
good
for
our
neighborhoods,
and
that's
why
I'm
gonna
stand
by
the
half
mile
at
this
time,
yeah.
J
I
think
council
you'll
find
that
the
administration
we
want
to
work
with
you
guys
on
many
of
the
ideas
that
we
made
some
changes
based
on
last
hearing,
we
put
some
more
things
online
that
the
council
had
asked
for
so
anytime.
You
feel
that
it's
necessary
for
us
to
have
these
conversations,
we're
happy
to
do
that.
J
Councillor,
McCarthy
I,
hear
you
loud
and
clear
about
the
opening
of
the
establishments
like
I
said
last
week,
I'm
now
requiring
every
new
owner
every
new
individual
who
makes
it
past
the
CBA
was
now
going
to
the
CTC,
for
the
license
needs
to
give
me
a
day
of
action
plan
for
their
opening,
so
I
need
to
know
what
is
your?
What
is
your
plan
for?
Are
you
putting
up
stanchions?
What
is
your
plan
for
day
one,
but
not
only
just
for
day,
one
I'm
originally
asking
you
for
a
week.
J
What
are
you
doing
for
the
week
because
I
do
agree
with
you?
If
we
just
opened
one,
then
right
now,
the
only
one
that's
kind
of
moving
forward
is
over
here
in
the
West
End
I'm
worried
it's
near
a
tea
station.
It
is
near
a
commuter
rail
station
and
everybody
is
going
to
go
to
that
one
spot,
and
so
that's
why
I
want
to
have
this
plan
in
place
so
that
we
can
control
it
make
sure
it's
orderly
and
everybody
gets
access
to
the
product.
M
Then,
just
lastly,
through
the
chair,
Jerome
appreciate
mighty
being
here
as
well.
You've
really
been
two
hands
on
the
wheel
on
this
issue,
which
I
think
from
the
council
perspective.
We
appreciate
that
you
commanded
from
Neighborhood
Services,
but
also
trying
to
advance
you
know
the
the
issue
as
well.
So
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
work
with
you
on
it
and
I
know.
Some
of
those
decisions
haven't
always
been
easy,
but
you've
been
there
something
very
beginning
from
the
very
first
medicinal
facility
that
open
up
and
now
we're.
J
M
A
You
councillor
T
I,
know
a
few
of
my
colleagues
have
follow-up
questions,
so
I
just
have
one
which
is
just
rephrase
what
I'm
hearing
it
sounds
to
me
that
your
recommendation
at
this
time
is
not
to
pursue
any
zoning
changes
related
to
particularly
related
to
a
buffer
zone.
Around
recovery
facilities,
at
least
until
the
first
sort
of
wave
opens
up,
is
that
accurate,
I.
J
Think
that
it
would
be
wise
for
us
to
continue
with
the
community
process
but
make
sure
that
more
people
know
and
feel
comfortable
that
they
can
actually
affect
the
decision-making
of
where
the
licenses
go
and
that
recovery
centers,
if
they're
concerned
about
one
being
next
door,
should
step
up
and
tell
us
because
we're
taking
all
that
information
and
define
to
figure
out
what
is
the
best
location
for
each
neighborhood.
I.
J
Think
that
even
when
I
was
talking
with
the
chief
to
prepare
for
the
hearing,
I
got
nervous
with
the
definition
of
Recovery,
Center
and
I
think
that
we
would
love
to
sit
down
with
the
council
and
work
on
a
definition
and
I
think
that
from
there
we
can
have
these
conversations
because
I
know
what
the
council
is
trying
to
talk
about
and
get
at
I
think
this.
We
have
to
be
clear
about
what,
because,
when
we
like,
is
it
just
distinct
license?
J
A
B
Councillor
Edwards,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
testimony.
I
had
a
follow-up
question
and
I
really
do
appreciate
your
impact
analysis.
It's
really
because
equity
is
for
me
very,
very
important,
so
to
know
this
could
be
harmful
in
certain
ways
in
an
aqua.
Voi
really
does
influence
my
decision,
but
one
thing
that
I
also
think
is
worth
the
analysis
and
I'd
love
for
you
to
go
back
and
think
about
in
terms
of
the
zoning
right
now.
We
we
currently
within
the
buffer
zone
include
cultivation
and.
M
K
B
N
B
With
regards
to
the
three
percent
Community
Impact,
Fund
I,
sorry
with
regards
to
the
represent
community
impact
bond
I,
don't
know
what
the
process
is
right
now
it.
B
J
B
If
capital
is
one
of
the
biggest
issues
of
trying
to
get
jerk
started,
I
think
also
this
conversation
in
general,
with
the
zoning
when
it
comes
to
recreational
marijuana
and
even
I,
guess
liquor
stores
as
well.
I
really
do
want
to
emphasize
that
delivery,
then
might
be
that
happy
balance
where
the
folks
are
just
getting
it
directly
in
their
homes.
You're
not
worried
about
where
the
permanent
facility
is
going.
I
think
deliberate,
overcomes
a
lot
of
these
hurdles.
B
A
lot
of
these
misconceptions
people
are
just
able
to
directly
get
it
and
there
are
some
alcohol
services
that
do
direct
delivery
to
check
the
licenses.
They
make
sure
the
person
does
that
so
I
I
do
hope.
The
city
of
Boston
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
many
mores
don't
I
know
you
love
those
meetings
through
my
community
process.
B
J
J
You
make
a
really
good
point
in
particularly
the
cultivation
and
I
didn't
think
about
it,
but
the
cultivation
one
that
we
have
in
the
city
was
relatively
easy
to
cite,
and
it's
because
of
the
fact
that
there's
not
traffic
right,
they
get
the
that's
when
residents
instantly
weren't
against.
They
were
just
like
how
many
trucks,
what
are
your
hours
of
operation
I,
think.
J
It's
wise
for
us
to
look
at
that
for
the
other
50
other,
yes,
I.
Community
meetings
are
great
and
we'll
have,
as
many
have
many
conversations
as
we
can
and
I
think
that
it's
just
important
to
make
sure
like
the
the
he
said
that
we
just
have
a
balance
and
I
think
that
you
know
we're
we're
really
willing
to
work
with
it.
I
think
that
we're
starting
to
see
it
slowly.
The
residents
are,
you
know
it's
taking
a
little
time
and
they're
just
slowly.
The
more
and
more
meetings
I
think
we
have
to
tonight.
J
We
have
one
next
week
and
I
think
they're
slowly
getting
used
to
this
process,
and
so
the
more
that
we
keep
talking
about
it
I
mean
raising
issues
as
it
comes
along
and
coming
in
and
saying
hey.
This
was
brought
up
as
an
issue.
How
do
we
address
it?
I
think
that
we'll
have
a
better
will
do
a
better
job
and
we'll
have
a
better
industry
here
in
the
city
and.
B
Just
through
the
chair,
I
wanted
to
compliment
councilor
clarity
on
the
history
lesson,
but
also
understand
that
flexibility
was
built
in
to
the
half
mile
buffer
zone,
which
I
was
not
aware
of
that
its
intended
to
start
the
conversation
and
continue
it
as
well
and
looking
at
it
as
it
roll
out.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
that
perspective.
J
K
Okay
and
just
just
kind
of
a
statement,
I
think
we
talked
about
equity
in
the
industry.
I
think
we
should
look
like
so
a
grow
or
growth.
For
me,
a
lab
for
me
manufacturing
I
think
that's
where
our
opportunities
to
to
grow
like
a
workforce,
no
pun
intended
there,
but
but
if,
when
we're
negotiating
with
them
with
the
people
that
are
coming
in
for
to
look
to
do,
business
I
think
there
needs
to
the
security
plans.
This
plan
that
plant
training
plan.
K
J
Think
that
the
administration
you
heard
John
Burroughs
of
the
last
meeting
that
we're
trying
to
find
ways
where
we
can
actually
do
some
of
the
job,
training
and
job
skills
and
getting
more
people
involved.
It's
just
as
where'd.
We
find
the
money
for
it.
It
can't
be
associated
with
any
sort
of
federal
grant
money,
but
I
believe
that
there
is
a
conversation
that
the
administration
is
having
about
Workforce,
Development
and
City
dollars
that
we
actually
do
have
the
ability
to
get
my
floor.
J
You
know
one
of
the
great
things
was
over
in
orchard
gardens
than
what
the
facility
that's
being
sited
at
100,
Hamlin
Street.
They
made
a
commitment
on
their
own.
Didn't
put
it's
not
in
the
community
host
agreement
is
their
commitment
to
the
community
where
they
are
actually
going
to
hire
residents
from
orchard
gardens
to
bring
them
in
to
teach
them
the
industry
and
to
work
in
the
industry
and
I.
Think
that's
great
I'd,
not
a
not!
Everybody
wants
to
be
a
retail
licensee
holder,
but
definitely
wanted.
J
Maybe
they
want
to
get
into
the
cultivation
business,
but
the
fact
that
they're
across
the
street
and
decided
that
we
are
going
to
invite
these
members
of
community
to
come
work
in
our
industry
and
learn
the
industry.
I
thought
that
was
great
and
I
think
that
more
and
more
as
these
companies
come
in,
they
should
start
wanting
to
be
good,
neighbors
and
being
a
good
neighbors
is.
How
are
you
gonna,
lift
the
neighborhood
that
you're
in
well?
J
You
should
probably
start
hiring
from
the
residents
that
live
in
that
area,
and
so
I
can't
make
them
do
that.
I
can
politely
encourage
that
they
think
about
things
like
this
and
I.
Just
think
that
the
more
that
we
say
you
know
it's
great.
If
you
want
to
give
ten
grand
to
this
community
center,
why
don't
you
give
40
jobs
instead
over
here
and
teach
somebody
industry
and
so
I
just
think
it's
a
conversation
that
the
community
should
have
with
the
companies
about
what
they
believe
is
the
benefit
yeah.
K
J
K
That
isn't
a
model
that
we
should
be
looking
to
replicate
it
and
also
to
site
a
to
site
up
a
dispensary
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood.
That's
really
been
affected
by
it.
I
sometimes
question:
if
that's,
if
that's
a
good
move,
because
now
it's
more
access
to
eat,
to
young,
kids
and
again
I
voted
in
favor
of
medical
I
voted
against
recreational,
because
I
think
we
could
be
going
down
a
path
with
more
and
more
kids
are
just
starting
weed
or
earlier
you
know,
and
it
is,
it
does
have
some
implications.
K
You
know
it
does
do
certain
things
to
the
to
the
to
the
young
brain.
You
know
and
Maddie
you
talked
about.
You
talked
about
balance
yeah
and
that's
where
the
issue
is
the
people
that
have
issues
with
the
opioids.
They
don't
know
how
to
balance
or
alcohol.
Most
most
people
stop
their
journey
with
the
budweiser.
You
know
so
I'm
just
kind
of
going
going
on
and
on
him
I'm
concerned
about
it.
K
I
like
the
fact
that
we're
doing
a
slow
roll,
but
the
industry
we
need
to
like
councilman
cop,
he
said
open
up
a
couple
of
them.
Citywide
let
the
business,
let
people
see
what
the
business
is
gonna
be,
and
then
then
you
know
we
get
to
that
point.
Where
we're
50
I
think
more
than
50
we
should
be
looking
at
possibly
saying
I.
Think
50
is
our
number.
You
know
you
can.
You
can
go
to
like
when
we
were
in
Colorado
in
Denver
a
lot
more
spread-out
yep.
J
K
J
We,
if
a
retailer
or
someone
with
a
license,
wants
to
do
some
sort
of
an
agreement
with
a
local
group.
That's
not
gonna
be
immortalized
in
a
community
host
agreement
that
is
between
two
private
parties
and
that's
where
it
is.
But
as
far
as
the
community
host
agreements,
which
are
they
are
gone
through
by
the
CCC
and
very
enlightened,
they
are
really
looked
at
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
creating
undue
burdens.
We
just
do
it
3%
for
the
cost
of
doing
business
in
the
city,
and
that
goes
to
the
general
fund.
Currently
yeah.
L
L
J
Not
sure
I,
don't
believe
so
I
believe
that
what
will
I
believe
that
there
will
have
to
be
a
conversation
between
the
administration
and
the
council
through
the
budgeting
process,
about
how
you
would
like
to
address
the
revenues
that
are
being
collected
to
there
and
I.
Think
that
that's
probably
through
your
ways
and
means
process
will
probably
be
the
best
way
for
you
get
to
get
at
that
kind
of
number.
I.
J
L
Go
in
there
and
we're
not
going
to
see
anything
tangible,
you
talked
about
the
roll
out
earlier
and
I
just
wanted
to
jump
onto
that
quickly.
You
know
when
these
open
up
police
details
are
gonna,
be
needed
and
right
now
the
patrolmen
and
patrol
women
in
our
city
are
overworked,
as
it
is
they're
they're
getting
ordered
to
third
shifts.
Now
it's
tight,
National,
Grid
being
locked
out,
not
help
those
numbers.
L
So
as
we
proceed,
we
really
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
a
shop
may
open
in
Rossdale,
but
captain
Gillespie
may
not
have
enough
people
to
watch.
You
know
a
60
yard
line.
So
that's
one
of
the
issues
and
then
secondly,
lastly,
actually
having
Keith
Williams
at
the
meeting,
a
seasoned
vet
maintained
doing
a
meeting
was
fantastic
because
you
know
seasoned
vet
ons.
He
was
right
on
target
and
he
really
represented
the
mayor.
Wow,
so
I
want
to
say
them.
J
Thank
You
counselor
yep
Keith
is
my
director
of
policy.
He
and
my
chief
of
staff
Eddie
McGuire
who's
here
in
the
audience.
The
mayor
wanted
more
consistency,
so
those
two
individuals
will
be
the
ones
that
you'll
see
at
all
the
community
meetings.
The
liaisons
will
just
make
sure
the
fliers
in
the
newspaper
Flyers
went
on
the
things
have
been
mailed,
but
those
two
individuals
will
be
managing
the
meeting.
So
everybody
gets
a
consistent
presentation
and
a
consistent
process.
Yeah
after.
M
You
know
that's
why
we
we
put
everything
in
there
together,
because
we
want
to
identify
who's
who
and
what's
what
and
what
are
they
are
they?
This
are
they
that
so,
and
also
on
I?
Think
through
the
chair
to
Jerome
into
treif
Martinez
is
I.
Think
we
should
keep
in
the
back
of
our
our
minds.
Is
reclassification
we're
starting
to
see
just
this
month
alone?
The
Surgeon
General
is
now
gonna.
Take
another
look
at
this
thing.
M
You
know-
and
this
is
a
in
and
eventually
I-
think
that
and
from
the
onset
I
said
this
should
be
going
by
way
of
CVS
and
Walgreens
and
Rite
Aid,
and
particularly
on
the
medicinal
side.
I
think
we're
gonna
eventually
get
there,
and
so
for
those
that
are
gonna,
make
big-time
investments
or
shift
sort
of
their
investment
strategy
to
throw
it
all
in
all
on
the
line
for
marijuana
I
would
I
would
throw
caution
to
the
wind.
M
There
I
think
that
if
I
Surgeon
General
and
the
federal
government
gets
the
hands
around
this
feeding
frenzy
and
they
reclassify
plasti
marijuana
and
allow
it
to
be
sold
at
the
CVS
is
on
the
right
aids,
I
guess.
In
the
back
of
your
mind,
you
should
be
cognizant
of
that
in
terms
of
when
we're
rolling
out
regulations,
because
if
that
ever
happens,
you
know
there'll
be
a
big
vacuum
for
those
we've
had
a
number
of
hearings
here
in
the
council
and
everyone's
just
like
can't
wait
to
get
in
the
biz.
This
is
fantastic.
M
Can't
wait
to
get
in
the
biz
marijuana
gets
reclassify,
which
is
a
distinct
possibility,
based
on
what
we're
hearing
out
of
the
federal
government
out
of
the
Surgeon
General
a
complete
game-changer
on
that
side
of
the
house,
but
it
will
have
obviously
implications
on
the
adult
use
on
the
recreational
side
of
house
I.
Just
think
that
you
should
be
cognizant
of
that.
I
think
that's
what
we're
gonna
be
going.
So
thank
you.
Ma'am
yeah,
Thank,.
A
You
counselor,
so
at
this
point
we
will
transition
well
thank
the
Chiefs
for
their
time
and
no
one
else
had
been
signed
up
for
public
testimony
and
I
know
that
one
of
our
panelists
at
least
has
a
time
constraint.
So
we'll
go
right
to
the
second
panel
of
substance,
use
treatment,
center
experts
and
call
down
to
the
floor.
Dr.
Timothy
naeimi
from
Boston
Medical,
Center,
Kim,
Hanlon
and
Katie
O'leary
from
North
Suffolk,
Mental,
Health,
Jack,
Kelly
and
I.
Don't
see
John
McGann
here,
but
okay.
A
P
P
We
are
especially
concerned
to
have
any
marijuana
facility
be
licensed
in
the
area
of
close
proximity
to
appraoch
the
approximately
20
recovery
and
treatment
facilities
that
are
located
at
and
around
our
medical
campus,
as
you
guys
all
are
where
we're
in
the
midst
of
an
epidemic.
With
which
we
are
all
struggling,
where
thousands
of
folks
in
the
city
and
Commonwealth
suffering
suffering
from
opioid
alcohol
and
cannabis
use
disorders
and
again
we're
here
to
echo
our
concern
about
having
facilities
close
to
BMC
that
will
perpetuate
these
cycles.
P
Addiction
in
terms
of
one
of
our
major
issues
is,
is
the
likelihood
of
relapse
and
actually
have
new
substance
use
disorders,
so
typically
as
as
doctors
and
people
and
counselors
we'd
like
to
think
of
addiction
and
recovery
as
an
individual
struggle
and
yet
substance
use.
Research
demonstrates
time
and
time
again
that
it's
the
larger
social
environment,
that
is,
the
key
driver
of
the
development
of
substance,
use
disorders
and
of
recovery
from
addiction
and
among
policies
across
all
substances
with
which
I've
worked.
P
Alcohol
tobacco
marijuana
research
demonstrates
that
increase
physical
availability
in
the
form
of
close
physical
proximity
to
retail
outlets
and
larger
numbers
of
retail
outlets
is
the
single
most
important
risk
factor.
Promoting
substance
use
and
misuse.
Bmc
treats
thousands
of
people
with
alcohol
and
substance
use
disorders
every
single
year.
We
are
acutely
aware
of
how
vulnerable
people
are
in
early
recovery
and
the
siting
of
these
facilities
in
proximity
to
BMC,
and
it's
patients
in
early
recovery
would
be
particularly
destabilizing
and
contribute
trigger
relapse
and
promote
new
addictions.
P
The
BMC
neighborhood
also
shares
you
know,
neighborhood
with
many
individuals
who
have
not
yet
found
their
paths
toward
recovery
and
are
severely
compromised
by
addiction
who
have
significant
mental
health
issues
and
homelessness.
Given
the
burden
that
many
in
this
neighborhood
faced,
the
siting
of
these
facilities
has
the
real
potential
to
exacerbate
those
problems.
P
Bmc
is
at
the
epicenter
of
Boston's
efforts
to
prevent
and
combat
the
ravages
of
addiction
and
placing
marijuana
outlets
in
close
proximity
to
BMC,
and
its
surrounding
vulnerable
populations
would
undermine
all
of
our
collective
efforts
and
credibility
in
this
life-and-death
struggle
with
which
we
are
all
engaged.
We
are
concerned
about
traffic
and
foot
traffic.
In
addition,
these
facilities
will
bring
more
automobile
traffic
to
an
already
busy
part
of
the
city
and
will
make
it
more
difficult
for
our
patients
safely,
traveled
to
their
appointments
or
to
our
emergent
care
programs.
P
So,
in
conclusion,
we
want
to
thank
the
City
Council,
the
mayor
and
it's
administration
for
their
leadership
and
all
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done
on
the
work
to
address
the
opioid
epidemic
and
other
issues
related
to
addiction.
The
city
has
been
a
key
supporter
in
addressing
this
epidemic.
The
road
to
recovery
is
already
difficult
enough.
We
strongly
urge
you
to
help
support
our
thousands
of
patients,
their
families
in
our
surrounding
community,
in
which
we
serve,
who
are
struggling
everyday
with
substance
use
disorders
and
to
protect
them
against
additional
challenges.
P
We
feel
that
we
are
all
in
a
hole
with
regards
to
addictions
and
substance
use,
treatment
and
basically
locating
facilities
close
to
BMC
is
just
going
to
dig
our
hole
all
that
much
deeper.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
on
this
matter.
I
do
have
some
clinic
to
go
to,
but
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
now
or
I
can
try
to
stay
around
until
until
my
colleagues
are
done.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
N
My
name
is
Jack
Kelly
I
am
a
long
time.
Person
in
recovery
and
a
longtime
advocate
I,
said
on
numerous
boards.
Advocating
mental
health
and
substance
use
disorders
and
I
also
wrote
a
book
about
addiction
and
how
this
epidemic
happened
through
my
eyes.
So
I
have
a
pretty
good,
unfortunately
see
if
how
this
happened.
I
I'm,
primarily
here
first
off
I,
want
to
thank
counselor,
Edwards,
counselor,
counselor,
asabi,
Gorge
and
council
McCarthy
for
having
this
hearing
I
do
think
it's
necessary
to
have
this
hearing
and
so
I.
Thank
all
of
you
for
bringing
this
up.
N
N
I
have
been
a
long
advocate
for
legalization
simply
for
the
fact
that
in
the
life
that
I
previously
led,
I
saw
a
lot
of
people
harmed
by
prohibition
and
I'm,
essentially
here
to
speak
in
I'm
here
to
speak
for
them
and
to
speak
for
everybody
that
has
been
completely
destroyed
by
this
particular
issue,
not
just
with
opiates,
but
with
alcohol
and
marijuana
addiction
and
I.
Think
that
what
we
have
the
opportunity
here
is
to
essentially
right
or
wrong.
N
They
should
be
on
their
board,
they
should
have
a
stake
and
if
that
doesn't
happen,
we're
essentially
creating
Walmart
for
pot
and
all
these
investments
are
gonna
come
in
here,
they're
gonna
make
a
ton
of
money
and
the
people
that
have
been
harmed
they're,
not
gonna
at
all,
share
in
the
prosperous
business.
That's
gonna,
be
here
and
for
me,
I
I'm,
in
favor
of
free
will
I'm
in
favor
of
having
these
these
shops
open.
N
But
if
you
don't
have
people
who've
been
in
the
lifestyle
advocating
on
behalf
of
the
potential
day,
how
are
you
gonna
know
and
I?
You
know,
I,
don't
know
which
one
of
you
guys,
one
of
the
counselors
said
about
just
writing.
A
check
just
to
an
organization
is
not
good
enough.
People
like
myself
need
to
be
at
the
table
in
with
a
real
equity
stake,
not
for
free
but
with
real
equity
in
our
neighborhoods
and
that's
how
we
protect
our
neighborhoods,
so
I'm
gonna
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
O
Hi,
my
name
is
Katie
O'leary
and
I
am
a
woman
in
long-term
recovery,
and
what
that
means
to
me
is
I
have
not
used
a
drink,
a
drug
or
any
mind-altering
substance
since
January
2011
I
am
also
the
director
of
recovery
support
services
at
North,
Suffolk
Mental,
Health
Association,
a
position
I
have
held
since
October
2013
I
voted
for
the
legalization
of
recreational
marijuana
in
him.
In
no
way
against
marijuana
dispensaries,
however,
I
believe
they
should
be
zoned
appropriately
as
a
person
with
lived
experience.
O
I
believe
considerations
should
be
made
to
support
those
with
a
substance,
use
disorder,
diagnosis
and
not
warrant
any
unnecessary
triggers
that
may
cause
such
persons
harm
triggers
can
come
by
way
of
people
places
or
things
that
can
cause
an
event
or
situation
to
happen.
Our
exists
speaking
as
someone
who
has
utilized
North's
suffix
intensive
outpatient
program
numerous
times
in
the
past.
I
must
say
that
having
a
dispensary
next
to
the
outpatient
clinic
would
have
been
dentro
detrimental
to
my
recovery
process.
O
At
that
time,
in
my
life,
I
had
little
to
no
support
other
than
the
building
at
14,
Porter
Street
in
East
Boston
and
the
people
working
in
it.
Any
little
thing
was
capable
of
setting
me
off
in
starting
my
next
relapse.
At
almost
eight
years,
clean
I
still
have
moments
where
I
think
it's
okay
to
have
a
drink
of
smoke.
A
joint,
neither
my
drug
of
choice.
However
I
now
have
the
tools
to
reinforce,
reinforce
the
fact
that
this
is
no
longer
a
healthy
choice.
O
I
am
extremely
concerned
for
the
individuals
that
utilize
North
Suffolk
services
that
do
not
have
the
ability
to
process
this
unhealthy
thought,
which
would
be
a
great
deal
of
the
population
we
serve.
There
is
no
question
that
it
can
be
difficult
to
maintain
sobriety,
particularly
in
the
early
stage
of
change
during
these
fragile
stages
of
pre
contemplation
and
contemplation.
Marijuana
access
could
trigger
relapse
for
those
in
recovery
from
any
mind-altering
substances
between
stresses
of
everyday
life,
social
Prussia
accused
linked
to
drug
experience.
O
Just
the
mass
smell
of
marijuana
has
the
power
to
throw
someone
over
the
edge
and
back
into
the
grips
of
their
addiction.
Boston
has
been
at
the
on
the
forefront
of
providing
care
to
opioid
addicts
in
comparison
to
other
cities
across
the
country.
Marty
Walsh
stated
in
a
WBUR
interview
that
we
have
a
crisis
with
heroin
in
our
city.
It's
a
difficult
issue
to
address.
We
also
need
some
willingness
on
behalf
of
the
people
addicted,
to
be
willing
to
go
into
treatment.
O
My
response
to
that
is
why
subjects
powerless
individuals
who
are
willingly
enrolled
in
treatment
to
a
marijuana,
dispensary
messed
ups
from
where
they
are
trying
to
engage
in
active
recovery
I,
employ
you
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
cities
who
have
already
created
zoning
laws
to
protect
this
vulnerable
population,
such
as
Los
Angeles
California
in
Tucson
Arizona
in
closing
I
would
ask
the
council
to
consider
the
vulnerability
of
individuals
in
early
require
in
early
recovery
when
making
zoning
decisions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
Q
Good
morning
my
name
is
Kim
Hinton
and
I
am
the
director
of
addiction
services
with
not
Suffolk
Mental
Health
Association.
My
testimony
will
include
information
and
recommendations
that
we
believe
will
help
the
Boston
City
Council
make
cannabis
policy
decisions
that
promote
and
protect
the
health
of
our
citizens.
North
Suffolk
mental
health
supports
an
evidence-informed
Public
Health
approach
that
considers
health
and
social
outcomes
in
the
development
of
municipal
cannabis
policies
and
regulations.
Q
Lessons
learned
from
60
years
of
experience
providing
mental
health
and
addiction
services
in
our
Boston
area.
Communities,
as
well
as
the
professional
and
lived
experiences
represented
by
our
staff,
have
formed
our
statement.
North
suffolk
suggests
that
a
precautionary
approach
be
taken
to
minimize
unintended
consequences
of
the
location
of
cannabis,
retail
stores.
Q
Hours
of
operation
limited
limit
availability
late
at
night
in
early
morning,
hours,
signage
and
advertising
restrictions
to
minimize
visibility
to
youth
in
vulnerable
populations
recognize
that
there
are
potential
health
risks
associated
with
secondhand
smoke
within
multi-unit
housing
environments
and
consider
regulations
that
bein
smoking
in
multi-unit
housing
ensure
that
mechanisms
to
share
data
across
sectors
and
levels
of
government
are
established
and
appropriate
indicators
are
chosen
to
monitor
the
impacts
of
policy
implementation
on
communities.
Not
Suffolk
encourages
the
Boston
City
Council
to
proceed
with
caution
for
two
reasons.
Q
First,
there
is
little
reliable,
inconclusive
evidence
to
support
what
safe
cannabis
use
looks
like
the
individuals
and
communities.
Second,
it
will
be
easier
to
prevent
future
harms
by
removing
regulations
in
the
future.
Once
more
knowledge
exists,
then
it
will
be
to
later
add
regulations
of
the
individuals
we
serve
and
our
mental
health
and
addiction
programs
and
services.
A
substantial
purse
proportion
have
used
cannabis
and
of
those
who
use
cannabis.
A
large
percentage
also
have
used
and
tobacco.
Q
The
use
of
these
substances
affects
health,
mental
health
decision-making
in
judgment
and
elevates
risk
factors
that
affect
the
individual
and
the
communities.
We
encourage
the
City
Council
to
consider
unattended
consequent
and
it
Conn
secuence
--is,
such
as
clustering
of
stores,
negative
impact
on
social
determinants
of
health
and
vulnerable
population.
In
its
deliberations,
we
are
particularly
concerned
about
the
vulnerable
population
that
we
serve
at
North
Suffolk.
We
provide
treatment
for
mental
health,
addictions
and
co-occurring
illnesses.
Q
The
individuals
we
serve
include
youth
and
young
adults
who
are
particularly
vulnerable
to
the
availability
of
substances
such
as
cannabis,
in
whose
brains
and
bodies
are
negatively
impacted
by
the
use
of
cannabis.
The
individuals
we
serve
are
in
various
stages
of
contemplation.
With
regard
to
this
sobriety
and
recovery,
and
often
as
socially
and
financially
disadvantaged,
they
are
vulnerable
to
the
visible
and
continual
presence
of
substances
that
can
serve
as
a
trigger
for
relapse
or
a
relapse.
Q
We
suggest
consideration
of
zoning
regulations
by
using
population
and
geographic
based
information
to
restrict
the
location
of
cannabis,
retail
stores
to
limit
density
and
availability,
in
particular,
in
addition
to
the
minimum
distance
restrictions
between
cannabis,
retail
stores,
consider
a
buffer
zone
between
retail
stores
and
mental
health
and
addiction,
treatment
facilities
and
programs
that
are
licensed
by
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
for
community
safety
and
health
protections.
A
cannabis
education
component
and
community
engagement
plan
will
be
an
important
part
of
the
implementation.
Q
A
B
Quick
to
one
point
on
one
question:
just
to
note
that
when
it
comes
to
I
think
some
of
the
regulation
right
now
when
it
comes
to
recreational
cannabis
stores,
there
really
is
heavy
regulation
on
how
they
can
advertise.
They
almost
can't
so
I
wanted.
I
know
that
one
of
the
concerns
was
that
they
could
be
attracting
folks
in
there
and
I
think
that
that's
been
handled
in
the
regulation.
B
But
you
heard
a
lot
of
folks
talk
about
the
evidence
or
lack
thereof,
of
the
to
being
connected
proximity
and
increased
in
addiction
or
hurting
someone's
recovery,
and
so
and
your
evidence
or
yours
or
your
studies
seem
to
indicate
the
exact
opposite
or
I.
Just
would
love
for
you
to
help
me
understand
sure
sure.
P
No,
that's
a
great
great
point
so
again
across
multiple
substances,
tobacco,
alcohol
and
even
now,
emerging
marijuana.
Again,
it's
so-called
physical
availability
is
the
key
driver
of
substance
use
the
only
one
that
comes
close
to
it
is
price.
So
if
you
are
a
policy
person
in
public
health,
physical
availability,
price
and,
to
a
lesser
extent,
marketing
or
the
big
three
and
physical
availability
is
the
most
important.
P
So
specifically,
physical
availability
is
usually
assessed
in
terms
of
the
number
of
outlets
and
also
the
the
distances
and
the
clustering,
and
so
the
the
sort
of
strong
evidence
for
this
in
general
is
reflected
in
the
fact
that
there
are
buffer
zones.
You
know
in
in
virtually
every
state
for
around
you
know
things
like
schools
and
other
things.
P
So
I
don't
think
it's
that's
scientifically
controversial
when
it
comes
to
you
know
cannabis
specifically,
you
know
again,
this
is
an
emerging
area
of
research,
but
even
more
recent
research
again
shows
that
the
the
number
and
location
of
actual
dispensaries
being
up
and
running
is
a
key
predictor
for
adult
marijuana
use
disorder.
So
I
I,
don't
think
that
this
area
of
research
is
particularly
controversial.
P
K
P
Yeah
well
I
think,
first
of
all
we
have
we
have
a
very
strong
and
actually
quite
permissive
medical
program
in
Massachusetts,
so
I
think
that's
in
some
sense
is
apart
from
that
you
know
the
Institute
of
Medicine
just
published
a
large
review
on
all
the
research
on
cannabis
so
far
in
terms
of
what
what
it
does
and
doesn't
do.
There
is
not
there's
not
sufficient
evidence
to
say
that
it's
that
it's
useful
for
PTSD.
P
And
the
mechanisms
by
which
that
association
happens
are
not
entirely
clear,
but
you
know
the
other
thing
is
that
that
a
lot
of
people
with
opioid
use
is
already
using
cannabis
and
again
they
have
the
medical
program.
So
so
in
general,
the
idea
of
you
know
cannabis
to
treat
chronic
pain
is,
is
not
something
new,
but
I
think
the
issue
is
that
there's
very
clear
evidence
that
people
who
begin
using
cannabis
are
actually
more
likely
to
develop
opioid
use
disorders
so
again,
we're
concerned.
P
The
other
thing
I
might
mention
with
regard
to
addiction
is
that
more
recent
research
shows
that
the
rates
of
of
marijuana
use
disorder
are
much
higher
than
were
previously
appreciated,
because
the
potency
and
addictiveness
of
marijuana
has
increased
so
much
so
it
used
to
be
said
that
about
10%
of
adults
and
15%
of
kids,
who
used
marijuana
at
least
monthly,
would
develop
a
use
disorder
that
those
numbers
have
now
doubled
in
an
era
which
the
average
potency
is
so
much
higher.
Okay,.
K
Enamine,
so
the
medical
community
also
comes
out
in
favor
of
safe
injection
sites,
so
so
to
make
that
legal,
I
I,
which
I
have
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
wrapping
my
my
head
around
again,
does
it's
it
does
that
save
lives?
Yes,
but
I
think
that
that
should
be
10
or
12
on
the
menu
of
what
we
should
be
doing.
First
so
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
point
point
in
there.
So
no
real,
no
real
point
to
marijuana
yeah.
This
can
it.
This
can
help
us
in
this
overall
epidemic,
yeah.
P
The
first
salt
yeah
there's
been
no
randomized
clinical
studies
of
the
use
of
marijuana
to
treat
opioid
use,
disorder
and
again
in
general.
What
we
know
is
that
more
substance
use
generally
baguettes
more
substance
use,
so
there
may
be
more
clinical
trials
about
this
in
the
future.
But
but
on
balance
you
know,
marijuana
is
an
important
cause
of
substance,
use
disorders
in
its
own
right
and
is
strongly
associated
with
other
substance
use
disorders,
as
some
of
our
other
panelists.
K
K
P
No,
no!
That's
sorry
if
I
met,
basically
the
the
of
the
illicit
substances
best
study
is
a
so-called
gateway.
Drug
marijuana
is
the
best
studied,
but
basically,
whether
it's
alcohol
or
marijuana
early
use
of
one
substance
is
likely
to
increase
the
early
use
and
subsequent
addiction
with
multiple
substances.
That's
right:
okay,
yeah.
K
Q
K
Q
A
B
Jack
and
Katie,
especially
for
coming
here
today,
I
thought
your
testimony
was
actually
probably
the
most
important
and
also
the
most
impactful.
Both
of
you
have
been
through
addiction,
and
both
of
you
are
survivors
and
thrivers.
Just
with
that
with
carrying
that
very
much
that
beast
with
you
every
single
day
and
both
of
you
voted
to
legalize
marijuana
and
I.
Think
that
was
so
important
to
hear
that
folks,
who
are
in
that
struggle,
also
still
understand
that
it's
not
just
about
the
substance.
B
It's
about
the
prohibition,
it's
about
government
and
how
it
does
regulate,
how
it
does
punish
and
how
it
categorizes
individuals
who
are
then
also
seeking
help.
It's
so
much
bigger
than
the
drug
at
hand.
I
think
Katie,
especially
I,
think
you
are
the
most
incredible
expert
here
today
and
I
I
couldn't
I
wanted
to
stand
up
and
applaud
after
you
spoke
because
I
think
you're.
B
The
only
person
that
I've
heard
from
who's
actually
used
this
treatment
facility,
North,
Suffolk
mental
health
and
have
gone
through
it
based
on
the
actual
physical
location,
knows
what
it
feels
like
to
lock
walk
up.
To.
That
knows
we'll
know
and
could
predict
how
it
would
feel
like
to
walk
past
a
recreational
facility
to
go,
get
treatment
and
your
statement
about
how
this
would
have
negatively
impacted
you.
This
proximity
is
by
far
the
most
important
statement.
B
I
think
I've
heard
today
and
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that,
because
again
you
did
vote
to
legalize.
So
it's
not
a
question
of
whether
marijuana
should
be
available.
It's
a
question
of
proximity
to
this
particular
treatment
facility
that
you
have
used
and
I
think
that
that
was
by
far
the
best
testimony
from
any
of
the
experts,
all
the
degrees.
Everything.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
So
my
question
then,
both
of
you
especially
and
I
yes,
I,
obviously
to
you
as
well,
is
the
balance
Act.
B
It
is
a
matter
of
balance,
so
what
do
you
see
is
an
appropriate
balance
for
recreational
marijuana
to
exist,
knowing
that
people
are
still
treating
are
getting
treatment?
What's
the
balance
that
you
see
I
don't
care
if
you
have
a
distance
idea,
if
you
have
the
combination
of
the
education
idea,
no
to
the
official
statement
from
North
Suffolk
mental
health.
But
what
do
you
see
as
the
as
the
as
the
balance?
What
strikes
the
balance?
It's.
N
N
This
is
a
new
industry
and
it's
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
preventative,
but
also
allowing
people
to
sell
cannabis
I.
Don't
think
that
myself
or
Katy
most
quite
honestly,
a
lot
of
people
in
recovery,
especially
they
more
younger
I,
guess,
demographic
we're
not
necessarily
against
marijuana,
because
we've
seen
so
many
people
that
we
grew
up
with
go
to
jail
over
this
commit
suicide
over
this
be
arrested
over
this.
This
is
real
personal
to
us
and
I.
B
N
That's
a
problem
and
I
don't
mean
just
hey:
what
do
you
think
I'm
talking
about
really
equity
stake
at
the
table,
because
we
care
about
this?
We
truly
care
about
it.
So
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
these
places
are
going
to
be
responsible
at
the
same
time
not
trying
to
stop
them
from
making
money
or
for
somebody
that
wants
to
recreationally
use
and
can
do
it
responsible.
They
should
be
able
to
do
it
without
being
arrested
or
anything
like
that.
I
mean
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
N
B
O
Some
of
them
are
a
lot
older
than
me
and
I
don't
want
to
see
them
getting
arrested,
obviously
for
and
losing
their
career
due
to
the
fact
that
they
had
to
go
out
and
buy
marijuana
on
the
black
market.
However,
the
population
that
I
serve
and
work
with
on
a
day
to
day
basis
is
extremely
vulnerable.
A
lot
of
them
are
coerced
into
treatment
by
the
criminal
justice
system.
That
doesn't
mean
we
cannot
motivate
them
to
want
to
live
and
active,
live
in
active
recovery.
O
However,
I
don't
think
that
we
should
tempt
them
if
we
don't
have
to
and
I
like
what
councillor
McCarthy
was
saying
about
making
the
regulations
more
stringent
at
the,
because
you
can
always
loosen
the
reins
later
on,
rather
than
making
them
extremely
loose
and
try
to
tighten
them
later.
I
think
that's
gonna,
be
a
lot
more
difficult.
That's
to
finding
the
balance.
I!
Don't
really
know
how
to
do
that
I'm,
not
an
expert
when
it
comes
to
that
piece.
Oh,
you
are
yeah.
C
K
N
K
K
N
N
K
K
N
And
with
him
is
talking
about
is
real
I
mean
it
definitely
made
me
more
susceptible
of
it,
but
that
was
when
it
was
illegal
and
but
as
far
as
why
I
got
into
heroin,
I
mean
nothing
to
do
per
se
with
that,
initially
it
was.
It
was
prescription,
drugs,
yeah
and
I
in
to
further
along
with
that,
one
of
the
things
that
I
get
concerned
about
was
when
we
talked,
could
we
focus
on
this
again?
It
gets
lost
that
prescription
drugs
continue
to
be
legal,
I
mean
I'll.
Tell
you
right
now.
N
If
I,
my
whole
thing
happened
when
I
had
surgery
for
my
shoulder
injury
because
of
a
hockey
injury
I
would
love
to
have
been
sent
home
with
marijuana,
as
opposed
to
opiates.
I
think
my
life
would
be
totally
different
right
now,
I
might
have
had
an
alcohol
problem,
possibly
because
of
the
DNA
that
I
have
in
all
the
evidence
that
talks
about
the
disease
I
would
not
have
stuck
a
needle
in
my
arm.
Yeah.
N
K
H
N
K
K
Katie
yeah.
Thank
you
few
testimony.
Thank
all
you
take
all
you
guys,
but
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
so
so
your
facility
that
your
that
is
outpatient,
so
people
get
out
of
detox
and
then
there
and
then
they're
going
there
every
day
after
that,
so
the
most
tender
people
that
in
recovery?
Yes-
and
so
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
talk
about
the
trigger.
What
do
you
mean
by
a
trigger
what
it
like?
K
O
Yeah
I'm
fine,
so
yes,
we
do
so
serve
the
most
vulnerable
population,
some
of
them
direct
hospital
discharges.
Some
of
them
are
coming
straight
from
court,
some
of
them
in
our
residential
program,
and
we
also
have
a
youth
adolescent
intensive
outpatient
program.
So,
yes,
they
do
come
daily
for
the
most
part.
For
about
three
months.
That's
in
the
intensive
outpatient
program.
O
However,
I
mean
they
congregate
outside
beforehand
they
congregate
outside
afterwards
they
become
a
large
family
and
community
because
they
get
very
close
to
each
other
because
they
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
each
other.
You
know,
day
in
and
day
out,
all
receiving
the
same
services,
but
I
know
for
me
at
least
that's
how
I
felt
when
I
was
there
and.
O
It's
it's
just
difficult
to
say
what
can
trigger
any
individual
at
any
time
and
like
the
trigger,
could
just
be
reliving.
Some
past
events
like
for
me,
my
primary
drug
of
choice
is
heroin.
If
my
primary
diagnosis
out
of
the
dsm-5
is
f/11
21,
which
is
opioid,
use
disorder
severe
in
sustained
remission
and,
however,
anything
can
trigger
that.
For
me,
I
can
smell
alcohol
if
I
drink
it
I'm
gonna
pick
up
a
needle
yeah.
K
O
K
O
O
O
Do
it
on
purpose
like
what
are
my
motives
behind
this
so
I
think
just
having
something
in
you
can't
say
that
I
mean
I,
know
it's
illegal
to
walk
outside
of
a
dispensary
and
light
up
a
joint,
but
you
can't
necessarily
say
that
no
one's
going
to
I
mean
people
drive
it's
illegal
to
drive
in
your
car
and
smoke
a
joint,
but
it
happens
all
the
time,
so
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
we
should
try
and
set
people
up
for
failure,
so
if
we
can
prevent
it
in.
N
That
point
right,
but
what
Katie
and
Kim
have
talked
about
there
is
potentially
you
know
a
trigger
to
want
to
do
something
else
and
for
me,
as
Katie
talked
about
it's
I
would
never
go
to
anything
else.
I
mean
that's.
What
I
would
want
to
shoot
heroin
I
mean
there's
nothing
as
I
climbing,
Mount
Everest.
You
know,
you
know
every
other
mountain
besides.
That
is
never
gonna,
be
good
enough.
So
I'll
always
go
back
to
that
one.
One
comment
I'd
like
to
make
the
council
McCarthy
brought
up
that
I
think
is
incredible.
N
Is
the
3%
general
fund,
which
I
have
a
again
the
spirit
of
the
law,
was
not
to
be
that
and
it's
great
if
we
create
parks-
and
we
do
all
this
other
stuff,
but
that's
not
what
would
if
it
was
for
for
the
3%
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
it,
but
the
3%
should
be
going
to
prevention,
programs,
addiction
programs.
This
is
an
opportunity
that
we
tried
to
do
with
the
alcohol
tax,
and
now
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
it
here,
but
yet
it
goes
back
into
the
general
fund
again
yeah
and.
K
I
K
The
first
rollout,
so
we
as
the
city
are
going
to
need
to
build
this
infrastructure
when
the
taxes
not
coming
in
so
we'll
need
an
infrastructure.
But
then
you
would
hope
that
once
that
infrastructure
is
in
place,
the
money
then
goes
toward
goes
towards
what
what
it
should
be
going
to
so
last
wait.
You
know
like
we're,
going
to
need
to
hire
multiple
people
to
do
this,
and
there
isn't
money
do
yet
until
the
tax
revenue
comes
in,
which
won't
be
there
for
a
year
or
whatever
you
know
so.
K
D
A
N
It
in
another
comment
on
this:
just
with
the
fear
that
I
have
the
the
Wynn
casino,
which
is
in
your
district.
There
was
all
these
promises
made
about
we're
gonna.
Try
to
you,
know
social
causes
and
social
good
things
like
addiction.
They
made
a
big
issue
out
of
that
that
they
were
gonna.
Try
to
help
the
surrounding
communities
do
that
and
then
they
wrote
a
check
to
the
rise
organization,
which
is
great,
but
you
know,
Jack
Connors
is
gonna
dispute,
distribute
that
money
and
he's
awesome,
but
how
does
that
get
filtered
down
to
us?
Yeah.
K
N
Doesn't
you
know
unless
you're
an
expert
you're
going
through
it
and
seeing
where
exactly
the
funds
went?
And
it's
just
that
top-down
approach?
With
this,
it's
not
affecting
the
work
that
they're
doing
I
mean
it's
just
not
I
mean
these
are
the
these
are
the
people
that
are
on
the
ground
every
day.
So
when
I
hear
elected
officials
and
I,
don't
mean
everybody's
well-intentioned,
sit
there
and
say
well,
the
numbers
are
getting
better.
I
go
down
with
Dunkin,
Donuts
and
I
see
people
that
are
still
doing
the
same
thing.
J
I
B
N
Last
point:
in
closing
its
Lake
Katie
said:
there's
a
good
opportunity
with
marijuana
yeah.
This
is
I'm,
not
I
am
not
at
all
against
marijuana.
I
think
there
is
some
really
good
opportunities.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
miss
it.
I.
Just
don't
want
to
see
people
just
get
rich
off
this
and
then
that's
it,
and
then
they
go
home.
That's
not
the
point
of
this
I.
K
K
Is
maybe
like
that,
when
the
definition
of
Recovery
Center,
maybe
it
should
be
very
specific
towards
the
the
most
the
most
tender
of
the
population
where,
maybe
maybe
there
might
be,
you
know,
someone
else
is
further
along
and
recovery
that
they
might
be
okay,
so
I
would
I
would
caution
that
sort
of
you
know
that
definition
there
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
right
next
door.
Is
it?
Is
it
right
next
door
to
your
directly.
Q
And
just
you
know,
just
like
to
elaborate.
A
little
bit
in
regards
to
a
licensed
facility
is
different
than
sober
housing,
self-help
groups
and
things
of
that
nature.
What
we
serve
the
mentally
ill
population
that
we
serve
with
co-occurring
with
substance
abuse
is
the
most
vulnerable
population,
though
in
the
in
the
community,
and
for
them
to
have
the
ability
to
have
their
own
internal
internal
coping
mechanisms
in
place.
Q
You
talking
to
two
individuals
that
have
taken
a
long
time
to
develop
those
the
folks
that
we're
serving
I'm
nowhere
near
you
know
where
Katie
and
Jack
are
and
I
think
and
they're
articulating
it
so
wonderfully.
You
know
and
they're
being
an
advocate
for
a
population
that
doesn't
have
a
voice,
and
that
is
so
high-risk,
I.
K
Remember
it
was
probably
20
years
ago
now,
I
had
a
recovering
addict
heroin
addict,
say
to
me
that
he
was
a
miracle
because
nobody
gets
off
heroin
and
and
to
have
two
people
here.
You
are
a
miracle,
every
everybody
that
everybody
that's
able
to
get
off
that
street
in
live
a
productive
life,
it's
America
land,
so
few
people
are
getting
it
now
so,
but.
A
L
L
You
know
council
biggest
right,
you
guys
are
miracles,
and
you
know
your
story's
very
powerful,
both
of
you
and
it's.
You
know
great
that
you're
here
and
thanks
for
your
efforts
and
certainly
as
we
go
full
with
more
and
more
hearings
as
this
process
grows
out.
You
know
both
your
words
are
gonna,
be
stuck
in
my
head
as
we
move
forward
and
making
sure
that
there's
an
equitable
stake
at
the
table.
The
people
who
know
most
about
it,
which
is
you
and
not
me,.
A
Thanks
Thank
You
council
McCarthy
meltus
echo.
Thank
you
to
all
of
you
all
as
well
and
know
that
we
will
continue
to
see
you
in
these
seats
and
these
seats
and
at
the
table.
So
I
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
wisdom
any
other
for
their
comments
for
this
panel.
For
my
colleagues,
okay,
so
we'll
transition
to
the
next
panel.
Thank
you
all.
A
B
Some
sent
to
me
from
representative
Madero
from
East
Boston.
He
and
I
both
represent
East
Boston
a
community
and
the
quote
is
the
proposed
location
of
a
recreational
marijuana
dispensary
at
24,
Porter
Street
isn't
appropriate,
given
the
close
proximity
to
a
facility
treating
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
disorders.
I've
spoken
with
the
folks
at
North,
Suffolk,
Mental,
Health
and
they've,
expressed
concerns
about
the
effect
of
this
business
on
their
patients.
B
A
Thank
you
again,
seeing
no
takers
for
public
testimony.
We'll
transition
to
the
final
panel
I
would
like
to
invite
down
Kimani
Jefferson
from
the
Massachusetts
recreational
consumer,
Council
and
then
counselor
Edwards
had
planned
for
Roger
Donahue
and
mr.
Murphy
from
the
mass
package
source.
Association
I,
don't
know
if
they're
that
they're
here
or
if
Charlie
wanted
to
come
down
again.
A
R
Thank
you
guys
for
having
me
my
name
is
Kimani
jefferson.
I
am
the
president
and
registered
lobbyists
of
the
massachusetts
recreational
consumer
council.
We,
our
mission,
is
to
continuously
work
with
local
and
state
governmental
bodies
to
ensure
the
safety
and
well-being
of
recreational
marijuana.
Consumers
marijuana
businesses
in
the
general
public.
We
do
this
in
two
ways
through
informational
media,
whether
it's
through
educational
pamphlets
or
live
streaming
different
political
activity
across
the
state.
R
Young
and
I
believe
it
was
because
it
was
illicit
and
there
was
no
barriers
to
stop
me
getting
that
cannabis
versus
I
started
consuming
alcohol
at
a
later
age
because
of
it
being
legal.
The
only
time
I
did
try.
Other
illicit
drugs
is
because
I
was
very
intoxicated
from
alcohol.
I
never
wanted
to
consume
other
illicit
drugs
because
of
cannabis
and
again
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
because
it
was
illicit.
R
It's
the
reason
why
I
think
consumption
is
high
versus
if
it
we
had
legal
cannabis
at
a
you
know
a
long
time
ago.
The
consumption
might
be
feet
lower
and
also
want
to
endorse
an
advisory
board
for
dispensaries.
I.
Think
public
participation
is
seriously
lacking
for
not
just
dispensaries,
but
establishments
coming
to
the
city
of
Boston
and
a
lot
of
folks
just
don't
understand
the
law
so
having
an
advisory
board
in
the
community
I
think
would
be
very,
very
useful.
Thank
you.
A
E
B
Edwards,
thank
you
both
for
being
here,
I.
Think
it's
a
great
to
have
the
industry
perspective
as
well,
and
so
do
you
have
an
opinion
about
I
mean
in
general,
you've
been
watching
this
unfold
in
your
in
your
capacity
throughout
the
entire
state.
So
I'm
just
curious
about
your
thoughts
in
general
about
the
proximity
to.
If
you
have
any
at
all,
just
your
initial
thoughts,
I.
R
Think
it
can
hinder
the
growth
of
the
industry.
You
know,
Jerome
Smith
said
up
to
50,
but
if
there
is
another
barrier
to
entry,
where
will
these
50
go
and
if
they
can't
open
up
successfully
folks
will
just
turn
back
to
the
illicit
market,
so
I
think
it
will
hinder
the
growth
and
in
terms
of
equity,
I,
think
it
will
hinder
an
equitable
industry
coming
to
the
city
as
well,
because
folks
are
really
scrambling
for
land
that
fits
the
land
use
of
Zoning.
R
So
now,
if
you
just
add
another
regulation,
they'll
just
make
it
harder
and
the
folks
with
money
and
the
folks
with
connections
can
use
that
to
their
advantage
versus
the
folks
from
communities
of
color
or
communities
I've
been
just
personally
harmed.
It
might
hinder
trying
to
start
a
small
local
business
here
in
the
city.
B
So
when
it
comes
to
the
do
you
have
a
recommendation,
then
I
mean
what
are
your
thoughts
in
the
half
mile
that
we
currently
have
between
the
industries
and
also
what
are
your
thoughts
if
you
have
any
on
I?
Think
I
suggested
earlier
that
lumping
cultivation
with
retail
is
adding
too
many
players
into
the
half
mile
buffer
zone.
That
may
be.
The
half
mile
should
be
limited
to
a
certain
kind
of
industry
player
versus
a
cultivation.
So
two
to
two
thoughts
mile
in
the
labeling
of
the
industry
actors.
R
So
the
half
mile
buffer
I
think
makes
more
sense
for
retailers
versus
with
cultivation
and
manufacturing
there's
also
transporting
licenses.
There's
also
research
and
testing
facilities.
I.
Don't
think
they
need
that,
because
the
traffic
will
be
less.
You
really
won't
have
consumers
going
to
a
manufacturer.
There's
gonna
go
to
the
retailer,
and
then
you
said
the
industry
like
having
a
1/2
mile
radius
between
each
license
or
yeah.
R
Yeah
I
think
Brian
from
BP
DEA
suggested
a
while
ago
that,
or
someone
from
the
water
administration
suggested
that
if
your
economic
empowerment
Apple
in
order
to
equity
applicant,
you
would
be
able
to
bypass
the
half
mile
radius
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
know
if
that's
been
put
in
writing
so
maybe
just
solidifying
equity
or
economic
empowerment
applicants.
R
Maybe
you
have
to
abide
by
that
half
mile
radius,
but
it's
it's
still
unclear
and
I
think
that
that
half
mile
radius
again
hinders
the
growth
of
this
industry.
You
already
have
to
that
500
buffer
zone
from
schools,
and
then
you
have
to
also
have
that
half
mile
radius,
it's
just
gonna,
hinder
the
growth
of
the
city
and
and
indirectly
will
turn
people
back
to
the
illicit
market
and.
P
B
Could
be
scooters,
it
could
be
anything
that
comes
to
the
city
of
Boston,
that
we
have
a
sitting
board
or
a
commission
that
is
deal
with.
How
is
this
going
to
be
rolled
out
equitably?
How
do
we
sure
that
all
Bostonians
can
benefit
our
consumers,
but
also
able
to
produce,
and
so
I
I,
don't
know
your
thoughts
or,
what's
that,
what
you
are
also
thinking
about
in
terms
of
the
advisory
board,
yeah.
R
I
think
each
community,
so
in
in
the
regs
you
have
to
have
like
a
Community
Impact
plan.
You'll
set
the
diversity
plan.
Maybe
the
city
of
Boston
can
also
create
that
each
community
should
have
like
an
advisory
board
across
the
city
and
that
advisory
board
will
work
with
you
know
whatever
my
since
established
it
comes
to
the
community
and,
like
the
gentleman
earlier
said
before,
it's
not
like.
R
B
E
E
Constitutional
issue,
so
our
biggest
concern
and
I'm
not
sure
how
the
language
would
work
here
in
the
constitutionality.
But
if
you
have
someone
who
owns
a
liquor
license
and
they're
planning
to
use
the
value
of
that
license
to
retire,
will
they
be
able
to
sell
that
license
to
a
new
owner
or
will
the
location
of
it
perhaps
prevent
the
transfer
of
the
license?
So
I
think
that's
something
you'd
have
to
work
out
in
the
language
of
the
proposal,
but
the
the
major
concern
is
that
the
license
will
lose
its
value
if
it
can't
be
transferred.
B
B
E
B
So
your
perspective
is
really
just
license
based
and
the
value
there
is.
Do
you
have
any
perspective
on
proximity
and
health
at
all,
I
mean,
unlike
unlike
recreational
marijuana
facilities,
you
can
advertise
a
lot
more.
You
know
if
some
people
would
argue
target
to
different
populations.
More
that
that
is
honestly.
Alcohol
has
the
biggest
body
count
of
all
substance
abuse.
So
so
there
was
no
health
component
to
your
analysis
or
you
know.
E
I
think
I
mean
the
proposal
on
its
face.
Isn't
we're
not?
We
know,
there's
merit
to
it.
We're
not
outright
opposed
to
that.
I
would
say,
I
think
the
package
stores
have
worked
closely
with
communities
and
you
know
I've
been
to
community
meetings
where
liquor
stores
are
trying
to
open
and
there's
a
lot
of
opponents
to
it.
E
So
I
think
it
is
important
that
the
community
has
a
voice
and
if
the
location
of
the
proposed
store
is
inappropriate,
then
you
know
I
think
it's
I
would
hope
that
the
community
would
be
able
to
make
their
voice
heard
and
you
know
potentially
have
it
cited
somewhere
else.
So
I
yeah
I
think
on
its
face.
It's
it's
a
the
goal
of
the
proposal
is
a
lot
of
both
I,
just
think
it,
the
Devils
in
the
details
right.
B
And
what
are
either
of
your
thoughts
on
deliveries,
I
mean
I,
would
I
would
think
that
to
get
to
get
over
the
whole
zoning
the
whole
impact
on
community
traffic,
all
those
things,
that's
a
viable
or
should
be
considered
a
viable
opportunity
to
just
directly
have
it
going
to
consumers,
it's
no
one's
business,
it's
happening
in
their
private
home,
either
thoughts
and
I
know.
There
are
already
some
services.
B
R
I've,
a
huge
proponent
of
delivery,
I
know
the
cannabis,
Control
Commission
hasn't
rolled
out
those
licenses
yet,
and
they
will
be
talking
about
that
in
the
new
year,
around
February
they're
gonna
be
putting
a
working
group
together
and
any
municipality
that
wants
to
have
delivery
can
be
a
part
of
that
process.
I
know
also
what
social
use
they're
gonna
be
doing
the
same
thing
in
the
new
year,
so
they're
still
talking
about
that
Medical
dispensaries
can
deliver
now.
R
So
you
know,
patients
do
have
that
option,
but
I
think
delivery
is
important,
because
if
we
look
at
the
illicit
market,
that's
how
a
lot
of
people
get
their
cannabis
is
through
illicit
delivery
activity.
So
if
we
want
to
you
know
kind
of
transition,
folks
to
the
legal
market,
I
think
delivery
licenses
is
a
great
way
to
do
that,
and
also
for
equity.
I.
Think
delivery
is
very
important
because
again
we
understand
that
market
in
the
equitable
side
of
it,
and
it
also
can
transition
consumers,
illicit
consumers
to
legal
consumers.
A
Thank
You
counsel,
Edwards
counselors
Abby
George.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
both
panelists,
really
appreciate
your
time
and
we'll
pause
again
in
case.
Any
takers
wish
to
offer
any
final
thoughts.
Members
of
the
public,
okay,
seeing
none
councillor
Edwards.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
closing
statement
very.
B
Briefly,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
coming
here
today.
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
had
to
leave
I
think
this
is
an
important
conversation.
I
think
it
was
a
valuable
one,
bringing
in
all
perspectives
and
it's
necessary
that
we
do
it
now,
rather
than
waiting
until
after
the
fact,
III
personally
still
want
to
have
more
conversations
as
I
as
I
think
about
this
Katie's.
B
So
when
we
think
about
policy
when
we
think
about
moving
forward,
we
need
to
both
think
in
the
specific
incidents,
but
also
in
the
the
larger
city
impact
and
how
this
may
hurt
a
lot
of
people
who
just
want
to
start
a
business
may
just
want
to
be
a
part
of
something
new,
but
at
the
same
time
we
don't
want
it
to
be
starting
a
business
on
the
backs
of
people
who
are
already
struggling.
So
it's
the
balance.