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Docket #0894 - Hearing regarding increasing Public Housing
B
A
On
I
just
thought
you
and
council
president
janie
and
now
royo,
that's
what
I
saw.
B
Okay,
yeah
and
the
only
panelist,
we're
missing
is
joe
kriesberg,
so
I'll
just
make
sure
my
team's
got
him
the
link
but
lauren
thanks
for
joining
us.
B
You,
oh,
I
guess,
madam
chair,
so
joe
griezberg's
gonna
be
a
little
bit
late,
but
since
he's
the
last
on
the
panel,
that
should
be
fine.
A
Okay,
no
problem,
and
then
I
see
lauren
and
mack
from
gbls
and
gail
and
dana
are
these
all
panelists
of
yours,
counselors.
B
A
All
right:
well,
I
had
my
introduction:
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
get
started,
we'll
do
some
quick
rounds
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
hearing
and
joe
is
is
coming
late
though,
but
he's
he's
coming.
B
Yes,
so
yeah
gbls
and
city
life,
theodore
bono,
both
be
testifying
right
after
the
panel.
A
A
You
may
I
want
to
remind
you
that
this
is
a
public
hearing,
it's
recorded
and
will
be
rebroadcasted
on
comcast,
8,
rcn82
and
verizon
964
at
a
later
date.
It
is
currently
being
streamed
at
boston,
dot,
gov,
slash
city
dash,
council
dash
tv.
We
will
also
take
public
testimony
at
the
end.
If
anyone
has
signed
up
and
if
you're
interested
in
testifying
you
can
still
email
ron
ron,
dot,
cobb
cobb
at
boston.gov
for
the
link
and
I'll
follow
along
on
the
livestream
and
also
submit
your
testimony.
A
A
Today's
hearing
order
is
about
increasing
the
public
housing
options
in
the
city
of
boston.
Panelists
today
will
include
the
bha
boston
housing
authority.
Excuse
me
the
administrator,
kate,
bennett,
special
adviser
of
planning
and
policy.
Joe
wool.
We
also
include
department
of
neighborhood
development
with
tim
davis,
I
believe,
representing
the
dnd.
I
have
also
sheila
dillon.
Possibly
here
are
able
to
come,
and
then
I
have
family
aid,
boston,
larry,
siemens
and
the
massachusetts
association
of
community
development
corporation
joe
creesberg.
A
I
do
believe
actually
signed
up
for
a
public
testimony.
We
do
have
members
from
the
community,
including
greater
boston,
legal
services
and
city
like
peter
urbana,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
allow
my
colleagues
to
make
some
very
brief
opening
remarks.
This
is
a
wonderful
hearing
to
really
talk
of
solutions
based
way
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
options
in
the
city
of
boston,
not
a
controversial
one,
so
no
need
for
a
long
speeches
anyway.
B
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
our
panelists
for
bha
d
d,
family
aid
and
macdc
for
being
here
and
also
gbls
and
city
live
theater
urbana.
I'm
really
excited
and
grateful
to
have
your
partnership
and
support
on
this
and
and
also
councillor
asavi
george's
on
the
desperate
need
for
family
housing
in
our
city
and
the
way
in
which
this
could
help
to
be
a
solution
to
that.
B
I
think
so
often
we
talk
about
public
housing
like
something
that
is
passe
when,
in
fact,
that
mechanism
of
of
making
rent
meet
people's
means
is,
I
think,
a
deeply
humane
and
right
social
mechanism
that
we've
moved
too
far
away
from,
and
it's
something
that
the
whole
attitude
behind
it
is
something
we
need
more
of
in
this
country.
B
However,
right
now
the
waitlist
for
the
boston
housing
authority
stretches
more
than
50
000
families
long
with
only
about
500
of
our
units
turning
over
each
year.
B
So
we
just
simply
put
need
more
public
housing
for
our
families
and
our
most
low-income
residents
in
the
city
and-
and
I
think
that
we
have
struggled
again
and
again
in
this
city
with
how
to
get
that
additional
production
not
just
of
affordable
units
but
of
deeply
affordable
units
units
that
can
really
meet
the
that
large
portion
of
our
families
that
are
making
less
than
30
percent
of
area
median
income.
Public
housing
has,
as
I
mentioned,
really
been
shunted
to
the
side
for
many
decades
and
actually
back
in
1999.
B
The
federal,
fair
cloth
amendment
made
it
law
that
no
housing
authority
could
add
any
more
public
housing
units
than
it
operated
that
year
ever
again,
so
we
got
frozen
at
1999
levels.
But
the
really
interesting
thing
is
that
boston
then
did
a
bunch
of
redevelopment
work
that
resulted
in
a
loss
of
units,
a
de-densification
and
so
as
a
result,
we
in
boston
are
now
almost
2500
units
below
that
limit.
So
our
fair
cloth
limit
is
12
086
units
and
we
only
have
9622
on
the
books.
B
So
to
me
you
know,
I
really
am
eager
to
get
to
work
using
this
avenue
to
build,
buy
or
certify
up
to
2464,
more
public
housing
units
and,
and
the
most
exciting
prospect
to
me
would
be
to
build
new
public
housing
units
on
land
that
the
city
controls,
whether
at
existing
public
housing
developments,
vacant
lots
or
above
other
public
assets.
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
to
really
utilize
the
full
value
of
public
land
for
public
good,
but
I
also
think
there's
a
bunch
of
creative
ways
to
work
with
existing
existing
projects.
B
We
have
on
the
private
side
to
think
about
the
aop
program,
there's
a
lot
of
neat
stuff
and
I'm
excited
to
dig
in
with
the
bha
and
dnd
on
this.
No
matter
what
avenue
we
take,
making
a
plan
for
boston
to
get
back
up
to
our
fair
cloth
limit
is
a
way
of
really
breathing
reality
into
those
phrases
we
find
ourselves
saying
in
the
pandemic
right
that
housing
is
healthcare.
Housing
is
a
human
right.
Housing
should
be
for
all
so
really
excited
to
discuss
this
today
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
You
so
much
and
just
quickly
many
thanks
to
the
maker.
Many
thanks
to
the
panel
here.
I
love
you
know
the
public
housing
public
land
for
a
public
good.
You
know,
I
would
argue
that
part
part
of
that
public
good
is
for
food
and
gardens,
but
we're
here
to
talk
about
housing.
I
know
many
of
my
colleagues.
We
we
we
all
boast
about
who
has
the
most
public
housing
in
our
districts.
I'd
like
some
clear
answers
to
that.
I
see
councillor
flynn,
councillor,
edwards
and
and
councilor
bach.
D
We
all
kind
of
fight
for
that
title.
What
I'll
say
is
that
public
housing,
deeply
affordable
housing
is
critically
important
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
have
all
the
tools
necessary
in
our
toolbox
to
deal
with
our
housing
crisis.
So
I'm
grateful
for
this
opportunity
to
to
talk
about
how
we
can
ensure
that
the
residents
of
boston
actually
can
stay
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
it
should
be
that
all
of
us
have
housing
that
is
based
on
our
our
incomes
and
that
no
one
is
paying
over
30.
D
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'll,
keep
my
my
comments
brief.
Obviously,
I
support
the
expansion
of
public
housing
and
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
boston.
I
would
also
support
and
and
hope
to
hear
a
little
bit.
I
know
it's
about
building
new
public
housing,
but
also
updating
and
upgrading
current
public
housing
is
incredibly
important
to
me.
I
have
the
archdeal
homes
in
my
in
my
district.
E
That
haven't
been
touched,
I
believe,
since
they
were
essentially
created,
and
so
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
obviously
the
federal
funding
has
dried
up
for,
but
I
am
interested
in
hearing
you
know,
especially
as
we
go
into
another
administration
where
we
can
lobby
where
the
work
can
be
done
to
get
this
done.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
of
this
very,
very
important
hearing.
I
think
you
all
know
where
I
stand
on
this.
I
really
feel
that
affordable
housing
for
our
low-income
population
is
incredibly
important
in
also
brighton.
Our
cdc
has
a
wait
list
of
17
000
people
waiting
for
a
high,
affordable
housing
in
in
this
district,
and
I
know
that
the
bha
list
is
is
enormous.
C
You
know
in
terms
of
also
building
additional
physical
units,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
units
that
we
do
have
are
maintained
and
also
in
terms
of
support
services,
making
sure
that
the
residents
of
these
units
have
adequate
support.
Services
is
also
a
challenge
as
we're
finding
out
here
in
in
in
austin
brighton,
so
that
the
residences
are
safe
and
and
healthy
places
for
folks
to
live
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
conversation.
I
think
this
is
a
very
exciting
initiative.
F
Mejia
hi
yes
good
morning,
I'm
not
a
mute.
Am
I
thank
you,
counselor,
edwards
and
bach
for
calling
this
hearing
I'm
I
just
hopped
off
for
the
meeting
with
former
council
of
sacrum
on
the
subject
of
housing.
So
it's
been
a
very
housing-centered
morning
so
far.
I
look
forward
to
finding
ways
to
increase
public
housing
but,
more
importantly,
finding
ways
to
make
public
housing
a
space
where
people
actually
want
to
live
in.
F
G
B
G
Council
edwards,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
councillor
edwards
and
to
councillor
bark
for
sponsoring
this
hearing,
as,
as
you
know,
I
represent
a
large
number
of
constituents
who
live
in
public
housing
from
south
boston,
the
south
end
chinatown
also
to
the
to
the
back
bay
area,
saint
patrol
saint
patrol
street
apartments,
which
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
there,
along
with
rep
john
santiago.
G
So
I'm
glad
that
council
block
is
sponsoring
this
hearing
to
discuss
how
we
can
increase
public
housing
in
our
city,
the
rent
for
living
in
public
housing,
obviously
based
on
income.
Tenants
living
in
public
housing
have
a
much
less
risk
of
being
unable
to
afford
their
rent.
As
we
talk
about
housing,
stability
and
as
we
are
in
the
midst
of
an
economic
downturn
during
this
pandemic,
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
talk
about
how
we
can
create
more
affordable
housing
options
like
public
housing
or
subsidized
housing,
and
in
the
south
end.
G
G
We
had
a
great
dha
administrator,
a
friend
to
all
of
us,
billy
mcgonagall
who,
before
his
passing,
worked
on
innovative
approaches
in
public
private
partnerships
to
deal
with
these
issues-
and
I
know
kate
bennett
in
the
bhj
team
is
working
extremely
hard
on
a
whole
host
of
issues
and
are
extremely
responsive
to
the
residents
not
needs
and
that
all
of
us
are
committed
to
ensuring
stable
housing
for
our
residents.
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
sheila
dillon's
team,
as
well
at
department
of
neighborhood
development
in
may
walsh,
but
just
so
proud.
G
I
know
we
we
had
a
debate
earlier
on
who
represents
the
most
public
housing,
but
I
think
I
I
probably
win
that
one,
including
mary,
ellen
mccormick,
old
colony,
west
broadway,
saint
patrol
street
cathedral
foley
powers,
so
I
spend
a
lot
of
my
time
in
public
housing,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
great
respect.
I
have
a
lot
of
great
respect
for
the
bha
workers.
G
I
see
them
all
the
time
with
rakes
they're,
they're
cleaning,
they're
sweeping
they're,
they're,
doing
plumbing
work,
they're,
doing
electrical
work
and
cold
days,
they're
responding
to
bha
property,
making
sure
the
residents
have
what
they
need.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
kate
bennett,
but
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
those
co-sponsors
council
edwards
in
council
block.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
if
there
are
no
other
counselors
who
joined
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
quickly
note,
I
I
think
I
compete
with
councillor
flynn
for
the
most
waterfront
and
also
for
the
most
public
housing.
I
maybe
maybe
he
does
have
more
units.
I
think
late
great
billy,
mcgonigle
told
me
you
have
more
units,
but
I
still
have
the
largest
single
development
bha
development
in
in
the
city
of
boston.
A
So
that's
our
truce,
but
I
think
both
of
us
are
very
much
dedicated
to
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
only
adding
the
the
options
and
that's
what
I
feel
like
we're
doing.
This
is
not
a
just
a
public
housing
thing.
This
is
about
the
options
being
made
available
to
people
and
the
way
in
which
people
you
know
our
incomes
go
up
and
down
throughout
our
lives.
Trauma
happens
up
and
down
throughout
our
lives.
We
want
people
to
have
housing
options
throughout
their
lives.
A
You
may
start
in
one
and
may
need
something
else,
and
we
would
love
for
the
city
of
boston
to
have
as
many
of
those
options
in
the
city
of
boston.
You
know,
as
people
are
now
having
to
look
to
other
cities
that
are
more
affordable
or
have
more
public
housing
options
available.
A
That
to
me
is,
is
a
loss,
and
this
is
adding
to
the
to
our-
I
guess
our
the
options
for
our
community
to
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
prevent
displacement.
On
top
of
that,
I
think
it's
very
important,
as
council
royale
alluded
to,
and
also
council
finn
mentioned,
it's
the
upgrade
and
the
maintenance
of
the
housing
stock
that
we
have
as
well,
and
yes,
there's
a
private
private
partnership
that
we
are
we're
doing
even
in
charlestown
right
now
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
just
that.
A
But
it's
really
important
that
when
we
think
about
the
future
housing
that
comes
around
what
lessons
did
we
learn
will
new
units?
If,
given
the
funding
be
green,
will
they
be
solar
ready?
These
are
kinds
of
these
are
the
things
that
I
want
also
to
be
part
of
our
conversation.
How
aesthetically
beautiful
will
they
be?
Will
they
look
separate
and
apart
from
other
housing,
how
there's
new
theories
around
trauma,
informed
development
and
urban
planning
that
I'd
love
for
us
to
look
at
in
other
cities
as
well?
A
How
many
more
of
these
units
will
be
sober
housing?
How
much
dedication
will
we
have
to
mental
health
and
all
of
those
things?
I
would
love
to
be
part
of
this
conversation
and
I'd
love
to
see
models
throughout
the
country
that
help
to
make
the
next
2500
units
that
I'm
I'm
more
than
committed
to
hopefully
bring
about
one
day
that
they
are
the
ideal
unit,
housing
unit
and
they're
ideal,
because
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
money
you
make
you
could
have
access
to
them.
A
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
now
to
counselor
bach,
who
can
introduce
the
panelists,
and,
let
me
know
you
could
do
each
panel
counselor
bach,
if
you'd
like
and
depending
on
how
you
prefer
you
could
we
could
have
all
the
panelists
speak
and
then
just
have
the
counselors
go
after,
which
probably
makes
more
sense,
since
this
is
more
informative
or
if
you
prefer
panel
q,
a
panel
q,
a.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
probably
it
makes
sense
to
let
our
panel
sort
of
speak
in
the
opening
and
then
and
then
us
follow
up
with
questions
across
the
board.
Just
in
the
interest
of
time
and
and
I'll
say
that
I
you
know
just
to
also
set
the
scene
for
the
for
the
panel.
B
I
made
a
suggestion
formally
in
council
with
filing
this
hearing
order
back
in
july
and
with
an
op-ed
that
I
wrote
just
about
the
fact
that
that
I
think
that
there
really
is
an
opportunity
because
of
a
set
of
federal
subsidy
programs,
kind
of
lining
up
in
a
particular
way,
and
the
openness
in
the
city
capital
budget
to
supporting
public
housing
in
a
new
way.
For
us
to
do
something
innovative
here
and
I've
been
really
encouraged
by
the
fact
that
both
the
housing
authority
and
dnd
have
responded
to
that
with
some
work.
B
Looking
at
how
they
could
use
this
subsidy
in
new
ways.
And
so
I
think
it's
exciting
today
that
we'll
get
to
hear
from
them
about
that.
So
I
think
the
first
person
on
the
panel
would
be
the
administrator
for
the
boston
housing
authority.
B
Kate
bennett,
I
know
she's
got
her
team
with
her,
but
I
think
would
go
to
kate
and
then
to
chief
of
housing,
sheila,
dillon
and
then
and
then
two
of
the
allies
in
this
work
and
the
housing
community
larry
siemens
from
family
aid
and
then
joe
creesberg
from
macdc.
H
H
You
know
you,
you
all
clearly
care
deeply
about
your
public
housing
communities
and
residents,
and
that
is
truly
appreciated,
not
only
by
me
but
our
community
of
employees,
and
you
know,
of
course,
our
50
000
plus
residents
so,
and
to
hear
you
all
fighting
over
having
who
has
the
most
is
just
it's.
It's
awesome.
So
thank
you
to
start
with.
Public
housing
is
a
strong
part
of
the
urban
fabric
of
boston
and
it's
deeply
rooted
in
the
history
of
almost
every
neighborhood
in
the
city.
H
We've
got
many
challenges
with
our
portfolio,
but
we
have
increasingly
shown
that
public
housing
can
be
much
more
than
a
stable
home.
It
means
vital
connections
to
neighbors
services,
education
and
civic
life
in
boston,
and
it's
also
critically
a
contemporary
solution
to
the
city's
affordable
housing
crisis.
H
It's
an
it's
really,
an
integral
part
of
keeping
boston,
affordable
and
accessible,
and
an
untapped
opportunity
that
counselor
bach
has
has
rightfully
promoted
is
our
ability
to
offer
public
housing
subsidy
to
units
in
addition
to
our
current
portfolio,
so
hud
allows
us
to
add
public
housing
units
up
to
the
fair
cloth
limit
and
counselor
bach
went
through
the
numbers,
but
essentially
you
know
we
can
request
additional
operating
subsidy
from
hud
to
the
tune
of
23
to
2400
units,
as
as
the
numbers
are
currently
landing,
and
you
know
our
current
portfolio
is
smaller
than
it
used
to
be
primarily
for
two
reasons.
H
First,
you
know
in
the
earlier
days
of
hope,
six
redevelopment
we
we
did
de-densify,
we
built,
we
replaced
all
the
units,
but
we
were
placed
some
off-site
as
project-based
voucher
units.
We
don't
do
that
anymore.
We
we
are
committed
to
doing
one-for-one
hard
unit
replacement
on
site
now
and
the
other
thing
that
we
did
in
the
90s
and
early
2000s
was
we
created
a
lot
more
accessible
public
housing
units
in
our
portfolio
and
that
meant
combining
small
units
together
to
make
them
accessible
for
folks
with
mobility
impairments
and
so
through
through
those
two
initiatives.
H
We've,
you
know:
we've
we've
lost
units
over
the
years
and
that's
what's
kind
of
created
this,
this
dormant
subsidy
opportunity
and
there's
several
challenges
that
come
with
the
additional
subsidy
we've.
We
have
made
concerted
efforts
over
the
years
to
try
to
utilize
or
offer
up
the
opportunity
to
worthy
projects,
but
the
subsidy
is
is
shallow
and
it's
just
hasn't
been
sufficient
to
leverage
meaningful
debt
or
or
really
make
the
numbers
work
in
a
project.
H
That's
building
new
construction
or
where
there's
costly
renovation
work
happening
and
what's
different
now,
which
council
box
bach
alluded
to?
Is
that
there's
an
additional
tool
that
sort
of
increases
this
shallow
subsidy
to
something
more
practical
and
usable
called
the
rental
assistance,
demonstration
or
rad
program?
H
And
this
program
allows
us
to
convert
public
housing
units
to
a
deeper
subsidy.
That's
part
of
the
section
8
program,
and
so
rad
subsidy
can
be
literally
hundreds
of
dollars
more
per
unit
monthly
than
traditional
public
housing,
subsidy
and
so
there's
still
an
a
need
for
significant
capital
dollars
even
under
the
rad
program,
and
I
don't
want
that
point
to
be
lost.
H
This
is
this:
isn't
a
magic
bullet,
it
will
take
additional
resources,
but
the
rad
platform
really
opens
the
door
to
two
important
possibilities:
one
to
create
net
new,
deeply
affordable
units
units
that
are
available
to
residents,
regardless
of
what
their
income
in,
because
the
rent
structure
of
these
units
is
30
percent
of
your
gross
income,
regardless
of
what
your
income
is.
So
it's
it's
a
deeply
affordable
unit.
H
The
second
possibility
is
that
we
could
we
could
attach
this
subsidy
to
existing
tax
credit
or
higher
affordable
units
and
and
make
them
deeply
affordable
to
a
family
that
has
an
extremely
low
income
and
so
to
that
end,
bha
has
taken
several
steps
to
explore:
utilizing
our
fair
cloth.
Subsidy.
H
H
H
We've
made
an
initial
presentation
to
the
cdcs
to
sort
of
get
them
evaluating
that
opportunity,
and
we
actually
did
do
one
project
in
the
past
with
the
alston,
brighton,
cdc,
utilizing
the
subsidy,
and
so
we
want
to
you,
know,
sort
of
re-up
a
conversation
with
both
for-profit
and
non-profit
developers
about
their
future
projects
and
where
this
could
potentially
fill
fit
in
and,
lastly,
we're
engaging
with
bpda
on
opportunities
that
that
they
may
have,
through
city-owned
land
or
through
the
article
80
process,
as
they
are
negotiating
their
own
deals
and
transactions.
H
H
The
process
to
tap
the
subsidy
is
not
simple
and
again
it.
It
will
ultimately
require
partnerships
and
and
resources,
but
given
the
severity
of
the
housing
crisis,
bha
intends
to
explore
every
opportunity
to
better
integrate,
affordable
housing
into
pockets
of
the
city,
with
fewer
housing
opportunities,
to
support
other
public
and
city-funded
initiatives,
and
to
explore
increasing
density
on
certain
parcels
owned
by
the
by
the
housing
authority.
So
I'll
look
forward
to
the
to
the
dialogue
again
thanks
to
councillor
bach
for
putting
this
forward
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
to
you
today.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
I
will
be
brief.
I
think
kate
really
summarized
what
we
what
we've
been
thinking
I've
been
working
on,
but
for
the
record
my
name
is
sheila
dillon
and
I'm
chief
of
housing
for
the
city
of
boston
and
I'm
the
director
of
the
department
of
neighborhood
development-
and
I
I
too
I'm
sort
of
sitting
here
and
I'm.
I
just
wanted
to
echo
something
that
director
bennett
said
and
we
do
have
a
city
council.
I
mean
this.
I
That
really
cares
deeply
about
expanding
the
affordable
housing
in
every
neighborhood,
which
is
you
know,
that's
not
true
in
every
city.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
free
support
and
partnership.
When
this,
when
this
resource
came
to
light,
I
just
want
to
say
that
d
d
was
incredibly
excited.
I
mean
it's
it.
It
will
expands
a
very
important
housing
resource
at
a
time
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
new
rental
subsidies
coming
from
the
federal
government
hope
against
hope
that
will
change
with
the
new
administration.
I
But
I
think,
given
the
budget
woes,
that
that
this
you
know
our
feds
will
be
facing,
I
don't
think
we
can
count
on
that.
So
this
is
a
very
innovative,
wonderful
resource
that
I
hope
to
work
with
the
bha
and
put
to
good
use
as
quickly
as
possible.
Some
some
ideas
were
mentioned.
Let
me
just
add
add
to
that
list.
I
You
know
we
have
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
which
many
of
us
love
and
we
have
been
making
some
helping
nonprofits
in
for-profits
buy
some
very
significant
properties
as
of
late
in
the
last
30
60
days
as
the
market
is
getting
a
little
bit
softer
a
little
bit
choppier
and
there's
opportunities
there
for
for
non-profit
and
for-profit
developers
of
affordable
housing
to
buy
units
in
the
market
and
take
them
out
of
the
speculative
market
and
make
permanently
affordable.
I
If
we
can
use
this
resource,
we
can
have
those
developments
serve
a
lower
income
population
and
act
as
a
buffer
for
for
folks.
I
think
it
was
councillor
edwards
that
mentioned
that
incomes,
especially
now
are
going
up
and
down
with
the
rental
subsidy
attached
to
those
units
they'll
buffer.
You
know
able
to
help
people
weather
the
storm.
I
But
the
criticism
often
is
the
of
the
affordable
housing
that
we're
funding
as
a
city
isn't
deeply
affordable
enough
and
it
is
very
difficult
financially
to
reach
very
low
incomes
without
a
rental
subsidy
attached
to
the
housing
that's
being
produced,
because
you
just
can't
support
enough
debt
and
then
the
subsidy
becomes
too
great.
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
use
some
of
this
resource
on
the
on
the
upcoming
pipelines.
I
To
really
have
you
know
to
create
deeper,
affordable
housing,
the
housing
innovation
lab
was
mentioned,
which
is
it
which
is.
You
know,
I
think
you
know
housing
public
assets
great
all
day
long.
It
would
be.
It
would
be
great
to
team
up
that
resource
as
we
look
at
development
opportunities
in
our
libraries
and
our
fire
stations,
etc.
I
And
and
finally,
you
know
we
are
putting
out
a
lot
of
land
and
we
have
been
in
all
of
the
rfps
in
most
of
the
rfps.
Most
communities
are
saying:
we
want
affordable
housing
on
this
land,
but
we
want
the
land
to
serve
lower
income,
families
and
individuals.
I
B
Great
thank
you
so
much
chief
dylan
and
now
we're
going
to
go
to
larry
siemens
from
family
ages
to
talk
about
the
kind
of
need
for
this
resource
in
the
city.
J
Great
thank
you
councillor
bach,
madam
chair.
Madam
president,
chief
dylan
administrator
bennett,
city
council,
members,
colleagues,
at
the
bha
dnd
and
other
service
providers,
who
are
here
today
for
the
record.
I'm
larry
siemens,
I'm
the
president
of
family
boston,
we're
the
city's
largest
homeless
prevention,
shelter
and
housing
provider,
that's
dedicated
solely
to
unstably,
housed
children
and
parents
and
homeless
families.
Here
in
the
city
of
boston.
J
These
are
families
that
are
living
in
overcrowded
conditions
with
other
families
because
of
economic
hardship,
currently
we're
serving
every
day:
2600,
boston,
children
and
parents.
That's
a
62
percent
increase
over
last
year,
largely
prompted
by
the
economic
and
housing
crises
that
have
been
created
by
the
pendant.
J
The
growth
in
the
population
in
our
population
is
solely
coming
from
the
homeless
prevention
program.
That's
focused
on
the
500
vouchers
and
the
math
is
simple:
we
have
a
thousand
additional
parents
and
children
seeking
500
vouchers,
so
the
harsh
reality
is
that
not
every
family
who
is
coming
looking
for
housing
support
because
they're
doubled
up.
J
This
is
not
homeless
families.
These
are
just
families
around
the
teetering
on
the
edge
of
it,
they're
not
going
to
get
the
help
that
they
need
right
now,
despite
the
very
very
best
efforts
of
the
mayor,
the
housing
authority
of
the
school
system
and
those
of
us
in
the
service
provisionary,
there's
simply
not
enough
vouchers
or
units
in
the
city
of
boston
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
families.
J
K
J
Of
hundreds
of
thousands
of
residents,
so
this
is
the
significant
number
of
families
who
are
kind
of
living
on
the
edge.
That's
actually
driven
one
of
our
national
rankings
and
it's
a
very
sad
one.
According
to
last
year's
annual
homeless
assessment
report,
boston
is
the
city
throughout
the
entire
country.
We're
number
three
in
terms
of
the
number
of
homeless
children
and
parents
in
the
country,
despite
the
fact
that
we're
the
21st
most
populous
state
to
me,
that's
shocking.
To
have
that
ranking.
We.
J
Is
not
a
good
thing?
The
crisis
actually
was
foreseen
four
years
ago
by
the
boston
foundation.
They
had
a
2016
report
on
family
homelessness.
That
noted
then-
and
it
was
just
that
they
had
seen
kind
of
this
trajectory
of
where
we're
headed
now
was
saying
that
the
result
was
sheer
poverty.
J
We
saw
it
coming,
and
here
we
are
so.
There
are
no
easy
answers
for
families
they're
doing
what
they
need
to
right.
Now,
we're
seeing
that
they're
living
with
other
family
members,
often
illegally
and
overcrowded
conditions
in
many
cases
in
boston,
housing,
authority
and
they've,
been
very
supportive
of
our
families
during
the
pandemic.
J
Right
now
in
researching
the
families
who
are
part
of
our
program,
we're
finding
families
already
have
developed
over
eighteen
thousand
dollars
in
debt
just
on
rent
and
utilities
alone.
In
the
last
nine
months,
and
then
I
know,
we've
turned
to
the
state.
You
know
there
are
increases.
You
probably
saw
there's
171
million
additional
dollars
coming
into
raft.
However,
that's
a
drop
in
the
bucket
against
an
estimated
300
000
households
across
the
state
who
are
struggling
to
pay
rent.
J
So
that's
the
challenge
before
us
and
in
some
ways
it's
quite
depressing
and
for
those
of
us
in
the
field
working-
and
I
know
I
have
some
colleagues
that
we
work
with
from
gbls
what
we're
seeing
is
really
a
very
challenging
time.
J
I
do
believe
that
there,
though
some
signs
of
hope,
I
think
the
first
is
the
legacy,
the
talent
and
the
innovation
and
leadership
that
kind
of
reflects
the
boston,
housing
authority
and.
M
J
Efforts
to
kind
of
bring
some
new
innovations
to
tackle
the
issues,
so
I've
worked
with
the
bha
across
the
table
for
22
years,
got
tremendous
respect
for
mr
mcgonagall
and
all
the
great
work
he
had
done.
He's
left
a
great
legacy
and
I've
been
incredibly
impressed
over
the
last
nine
months
in
this
work,
with
the
mayor's
vouchers
to
work
with
kate
barrow's
team
who've
just
done
an
amazing
job
to
really
expedite
and
find
innovation
to
get
housing
to
families
as
quickly
as
possible.
It's
just
really
impressive.
J
The
second,
I
think,
is
the
ordinance
before
you
and
the
thinking
that
counselor
bach
has
brought
relative
to
the
opportunities
to
meet
the
fair
cloth
limits.
It's
really,
in
our
view,
it's
really
strategic
and
an
innovative
way
to
increase
the
number
of
units.
I
Lower
when
it
can
be.
J
Attached
to
tax
credit
units
or
combined
with
mod
have
re
units
it
actually,
we
believe,
will
attract
developers
to
take
on
low-wage
earners
as
tenants,
which
is
what
we're
struggling
with
right
now,
with
the
vouchers
that
are
currently
in
the
market
and
the
third
option,
I
think,
is
your
vote
tomorrow
to
approve
a
special
commission
and
family
homelessness.
I
apologize.
Counselor
bach
would
be
very
disappointed
if
I
didn't
mention
that
today
so
combined.
J
A
Speaking
of
of
which
counselor
sabe
george
has
joined
us
as
one
of
the
as
one
of
our
colleagues
and
counselor
sabe
george,
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
any
brief
opening
remarks
so
we'll
just
go
ahead
through
the
panel.
O
B
And
there's
no
conflict
we're
all
rowing
in
the
same
direction
when
it
comes
to
trying
to
resolve
family
homelessness
here.
So
it's
really
yeah.
It's
a
it's!
It's
everything!
Putting
everything
towards
that.
B
The
last
member
of
our
panel,
madam
chair,
is
joe
kriesberg,
who
represents
macdc,
which
is
the
massachusetts
association
of
cdc's
and,
as
commissioner
bennett
alluded
to,
we
had
a
meeting
with
his
members
to
sort
of
talk
about
ways
to
use
the
subsidy,
and
so
joe
is
just
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
folks
who
do
produce
these.
These
affordable
units
in
in
the
city
and
region.
M
Thank
you,
councilor
bach,
chairwoman,
edwards
members
of
the
council,
administrator
bennett,
chief
dylan.
You
got
to
get
all
the
titles
right,
it's
great
to
be
here
and
see
everybody.
We
did
have
a
meeting
in
september
about
the
fair
cloth
amendment
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
for
most
of
us.
It
was
the
first
time
we'd
ever
heard,
of
the
fair
cloth
amendment.
So
I
want
to
thank
councillor
bach
for
continuing
our
education
about
affordable
housing,
which
is
never
ending.
M
I
represent
well
for
the
record
joe
kriesberg,
a
mass
association
of
cdc's
and
a
resident
of
west
roxbury,
and
I
represent
20
cdc's
in
boston,
who
collectively
owned
and
managed
approximately
8,
500
9
000
units
of
housing
all
across
the
city,
and
we
did
have
an
excellent
discussion
with
the
bha
and
the
dnd
I
think
was
in
september,
and
our
folks
are
really
excited
about
this
resource,
this
potential
resource
and
want
to
be
partners
and
making
it
work,
because
it
addresses
at
least
three
critical
issues
that
we
struggle
with
as
developers
and
owners
of
affordable
housing.
M
As
I
think
most
of
you
know,
we
rely
heavily
almost
exclusively
really
on
the
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
from
the
federal
government,
which
is
a
great
program,
but
also
a
program
that
has
some
limitations.
M
M
The
other
thing
about
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit,
the
way
it
was
designed
is
the
rents
are
fixed.
So,
as
a
tenant's
income
goes
up,
the
rent
doesn't
go
up.
That's
the
good
news,
but
if
their
income
goes
down,
the
rent
is
fixed
and
that
can
cause
some
serious
problems
and
because
the
tax
credit
program
is
the
primary
way
in
which
the
federal
government
funds
new,
affordable
housing,
it's
really
become
the
sun
around
which
everything
else
revolves
and
ends
up
dominating
the
way
these
projects
get
financed
and
structured.
M
So
we're
always
looking
for
other
tools
that
can
help
serve
lower
income,
families
and
households,
because
we
know
that's
where
the
critical
need
is
at
and
and
that's
been
borne
out,
even
more
so
during
the
pandemic,
where,
when
we
look
at
the
risk
of
eviction,
we
look
at
which
tenants
are
really
the
most
at
risk.
It's
it's
definitely
at
the
lower
end
of
the
income
spectrum,
so
it's
always
been
a
problem,
but
it's
even
more
so
now.
M
Overcrowding
is
almost
by
design
somewhat
invisible
to
the
larger
population,
because
you
know
we
don't
go
into
other
people's
homes.
We
don't
know
how
many
people
live
in
those
homes.
Often
people
who
are
overcrowding,
don't
want
other
folks
to
know
that's
happening.
They
may
not
want
the
landlord
to
know
or
health
officials
because
there
may
be
breaking
rules
in
order
to
survive,
and
so
overcrowding
is
often
an
under
recognized
problem
and
with
covid
and
with
the
transmission
of
the
virus.
M
It's
really
revealed
itself
to
be
a
killer
and
a
serious
problem,
and
why
do
people
overcrowd?
Well,
it's
all
about
money
and
math
and
the
fact
that's
the
only
way
many
households
can
piece
together
enough
income
to
pay
the
rent
so
getting
more.
Affordable
housing,
online
and
housing
that
is
truly
affordable
will
help
address
this
serious
health
issue
of
overcrowding,
and
the
other
thing
that
you
know,
covetous
sort
of
underscored
is
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
lower
income
families,
their
incomes
are
unstable.
They
they
get
some
extra
work.
M
Their
income
goes
down
and
having
an
adjustable
rent
that
is
scaled
to
their
income
is
really
key
to
housing,
stability
and
helping
them
manage
through
periods
where
maybe
they're
doing
a
little
better
or
periods
where
they're
doing
not
as
well
so
what's
exciting
about
this
tool
is
it
allows
us
to
address
all
these
issues
serving
the
community,
the
population
that
is
most
in
need,
providing
them
with
a
rent
that
is
adjustable
based
on
their
income,
reducing
overcrowding.
M
So
how
do
we
make
it
work
that,
I
think,
is
really
the
question?
I
think
you
have
willing
partners
in
the
nonprofit
sector,
folks
who
are
used
to
doing
complicated,
financing
and
suffering
the
brain
damage
that
comes
along
with
that.
Sometimes
I
think
the
key
is:
can
can
the
additional
rules,
regulations,
structures
that
are
required
to
tap
into
this
resource?
You
know:
does
the
math
make
it
work
so
that
it
actually
results
in
lower
incomes
and
it
it's?
M
I
think,
in
most
cases
going
to
be
layered
on
top
of
other
financing,
and
sometimes
those
rules
can
contradict
each
other
and
that's
part
of
where
it
gets
particularly
difficult.
If
you
have
hud
telling
you
to
do
x
and
the
irs
rules
are
telling
you
to
do
why
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
resolve
that,
and
maybe
we'll
have
a
a
more
friendly
hud
in
the
next
few
years
to
help
us,
you
know,
get
the
waivers
we
might
need
or
the
flexibility.
M
A
I
appreciate
that
so
we've
gone
through
the
panelists.
Did
you
want
possibly
to
have
public
testimony
too,
since
greater
boston,
legal
services
and
city
life
are
waiting?
I
I
think
that
would
be
excellent.
Okay,
okay,
great
so
for
public
testimony
we
have
lauren
song
from
greater
boston
legal
services.
P
P
So
to
start
with
some
sobering
numbers,
as
the
covet
19
pandemic
continues
to
rage.
Today's
globe
reported
that,
notwithstanding
at
the
federal
eviction
moratorium
that
was
announced
in
september
by
the
centers
for
disease
control
is
still
in
force
until
the
end
of
this
month,
at
least
743
new
eviction
cases
were
filed
in
the
housing
courts
last
week
alone,
the
most
in
any
week
in
2020
since
the
end
of
the
state's
eviction
moratorium
in
october.
P
Indeed,
boston
has
been
taking
aggressive
steps
to
address
the
affordable
housing
shortage
in
the
city
of
boston
since
2014,
when
the
mayor's
housing
advisory
task
force,
that
is
led
by
chief
dylan,
issued
the
housing.
A
changing
city,
boston,
2030
report,
which
is
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
to
address
the
city's
perennial
housing
supply
and
affordability,
challenges
to
achieve
a
more
equitable
and
inclusive
city.
P
Stability
ohs
in
2016,
which
was
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
nation
and
of
which
councilor
edwards
actually
became
the
first
deputy
director,
and
that
enables
the
city
to
work
across
city
departments
and
with
external
partners
like
greater
boston,
legal
services.
To
achieve
housing,
security
for
tenants
and
homeowners
at
risk
of
displacement
in
early
january,
the
dnd
and
bha
also
jointly
announced
the
first
city-funded
rental
voucher
program.
P
P
But
as
kate
bennett
had
mentioned,
the
city
has
really
focused
on
the
purpose
of
its
provision
of
housing,
which
is
much
more
than
housing
units,
but
also
using
housing
as
a
way
to
provide
its
residents
with
services
and
to
support
their
sufficiency
and
capacity,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
part
of
the
aspect
of
public
housing
that
other
counselors
here
have
also
mentioned
that
it's
not
just
about
providing
housing
a
roof
over
your
head,
but
what
housing
means
in
so
many
different
ways
in
terms
of
enabling
our
families
to
achieve
all
that
they
can
and
navigate,
especially
this
coveted
pandemic.
P
P
P
So
all
that
is
said
is
in
addressing
the
it's
important
to
note
that,
while
affordable
housing
is
often
used
as
a
term
to
cover
a
broad
range
of
income,
restricted
housing
that
are
below
market
typically,
those
rents
are
not
enough
still
to
make
the
rent
affordable
for
most
of
the
occupants
in
high
cost
cities
like
boston.
P
Yet,
notwithstanding
these
positive
features
of
public
housing,
public
housing,
as
others
have
mentioned
previously
before
me,
have
been
really
stigmatized
and
disfavored
in
the
united
states
by
united
states
policymakers,
which
has
caused
this
very
important
program
that
serves
really
the
most
vulnerable,
and
it's
really
essential
for
diversity
of
high
cost
cities
like
boston
to
suffer
a
really
dangerous
divestment
for
decades
established
in
1937.
The
housing
public
housing
program
produced
nearly
1.4
million
units
nationwide,
but
today
there's
only
about
1
million.
P
Of
that
that's
remaining
and
of
those
that
remain
many
are
in
really
severely
distressed
conditions,
which
I
know,
for
example,
city
councilor
mayhem
mentioned.
That
was
a
concern,
not
just
the
creation
of
new
public
housing.
But
what
are
we
doing
with
the
existing
public
housing
stock
and
its
deplorable
state?
P
And
this
is
because
the
conditions
require
about
49
billion
in
backlog
of
unaddressed,
repairs
that
the
federal
government
is
not
willing
to
to
address
and
add
to
all
of
this,
the
fair
cloth
amendment
which
counselor
bach
provided
a
little
bit
of
the
history
in
was
added
to
the
housing
act
of
1937,
passed
in
1998
and
prohibited
any
net
increases
in
the
number
of
public
housing
units
beyond
the
number
that
was
in
existence
as
of
september
first
1999.,
and
due
to
these
combination
of
factors,
we've
lost
and
we
will
continue
to
lose
about
10
000
public
housing
units
per
year
nationally
today.
P
P
Currently,
as
a
result
of
all
the
losses,
I
believe
that
boston
saw
about
an
18
reduction
in
its
public
housing
stock
since
1997,
and
that's
the
amount
that
we
can
make
up
to
means
to
create
additional,
affordable
housing
units
through
the
various
many
innovative
tools
that
have
been
mentioned
before.
P
I
would
note
that
the
private
market
has
not
and
does
not
make
up
for
the
public
housing
that
has
been
lost.
The
public
housing
is
clearly
suffering
from
decades
of
divestment,
but
cities
like
boston
have
great
initiatives
to
support
a
public
housing
revival
that
can
provide
truly
deeply
affordable
housing
for
its
most
vulnerable
residents
and
to
advance
a
housing
policy,
housing
justice
policy
that
will
ensure
that
the
affordable
units
remain
under
public
stewardship
after
construction
conversion
to
provide
the
support
services,
etcetera
that
has
usually
been
associated
with
the
idea
of
public
housing.
P
Sometimes
what
is
holding
up
the
creation
of
new
public
housing-
and
this
has
been
mentioned
previously,
also-
is
that
the
maintenance
and
operations
of
public
housing
once
created
is
extremely
stressed
by
the
very
limited
capital
fund
and
public
housing
operating
funds
that
are
provided
to
keep
it
going.
But,
as
others
have
mentioned
previously,
there
are
initiatives
currently
that
would
allow
for
the
conversion
once
something
became
a
public
unit
to
actually
have
more
stable
operating
platforms.
That
would
make
it
possible
to
sustain
newly
created
public
housing
and
maintain
it
properly.
P
And
furthermore,
the
democrats
have
proposed
additional
investments
in
public
housing,
which
can
focus
on
some
of
the
backlog
of
maintenance
issues
and
future
positive
characterizations
of
public
housing
through
additional
funding
of
the
public
housing
capital
funds,
and
also
focusing,
as
others
have
mentioned,
the
emergence
of
the
energy
energy
efficiency
and
retrofitting
into
a
carbon
neutral,
retrofitting
them
into
carbon
neutrality.
P
So,
although
public
housing
may
currently
be
stigmatized,
the
negative
associations
are
not
something
that
is
inherent
to
socially
or
public
provided
housing.
Fantastic
public
housing
has
been
built
around
the
world,
creating
strong,
diverse
integrated
communities
and
providing
many
opportunities
for
residents
in
vienna.
For
example,
more
than
60
percent
of
people
live
in
public
housing,
so
the
stigma
is
not
there
and
it's
designed
to
bring
people
together
from
a
range
of
income
brackets
to
live
together
harmoniously,
and
you
know
our
largest
public
housing,
which
they
love.
P
Life
loves
to
mention
is,
of
course,
the
white
house,
so
the
association
of
you
know
public
housing
with
all
the
negative
charges
are
not
something
that's
inherent
in
publicly
created
housing
and
I'm
confident,
as
I'm
sure
my
colleague,
matkas
and
others
of
us
here
that
boston
with
this
amazing
city
council,
who
is
so
clearly
dedicated
to
the
issues
of
housing,
justice
and
affordability
and
diversity,
has
all
the
necessary
commitment,
as
well
as
the
creative
policies
that
have
already
been
initiated
in
many
ways
to
achieve
exactly
this
housing
justice
as
necessary
to
preserve
and
protect
our
diverse
and
growing
population.
P
That
could
generate
as
much
as
600
169
million
per
year
for
full
housing
in
boston,
which
is
which
would
greatly
outstrip
the
current
resources
at
the
city's
disposal,
for
example,
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
that
chief
dylan
mentioned
the
city
can
also
further
strengthen
and
expand
the
scope
of
its
development
impact
programs.
The
linkage
program,
inclusionary
development
policies
and
enable
boston
to
align
more
flexibly
when
efficiently
with
changing
market
conditions,
as
well
as
the
local
needs
and
create
more
income
restricted
units
through
that
flexibility.
P
In
short,
governments
have
an
important
role
in
providing
housing.
We
need
the
city
council's
initiated
solutions
to
match
the
need
of
the
scale
of
housing.
That
is
really
has
been
plaguing
the
city
for
many
many
years,
and
we
thank
the
city
council
and
our
city
leaders
for
this
opportunity
to
present
this
testimony
and
thank
you
again
for
your
support
and
the
creative
ideas.
And
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
to
further
housing,
equity
and
justice
in
the
city
of
boston.
A
Thank
you
lauren.
I
appreciate
the
long
comment
specifically
for
really
demonstrating
where
everyone's
hearts
have
been
for
years
and
and
before
we
we
have
this
council,
especially
with
greater
boston,
legal
services,
you're,
organizing
and
your
efforts
to
keep
moving
this
forward
and
then
just
also
reminding
folks.
You
know
how
much
of
this
depends
on
a
lot
of
our
our
colleagues
in
the
state
house.
Getting
some
things
done.
A
Hopefully,
this
year,
topa
home
zac,
a
lot
of
linkage
is
still
pending,
so
just
just
just
some
shout
out
to
the
ether
and
the
universe
that
there
is.
When
we
talk
about
multi-prongs,
we
also
mean
multi-levels
of
government
as
well,
so
you
can't
just
sandwich
it
with
the
the
two
bookends
of
the
city
and
the
federal
government.
There's
a
state
legislature
in
there
as
well
so
fingers
crossed.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
about
that.
A
We
can
go
on
to
mack
from
greater
boston
legal
services
and
then
and
then
and
then
steve
meacham
from
city
life,
peter
urbana,.
N
I'm
going
to
be
far
shorter
because
various
people
have
made
extremely
eloquent
statements
before
me
that
I
would
have
no
ability
to
top.
I
again
want
to
thank
all
the
council
members
for
your
past
and
continuing
support
on
affordable
housing.
I
thought
it
was
really
funny
that
there
was
this
lottery
about
who
who
had
the
most
public
housing
and
who
was
going
to
win
that
lottery.
So
it's
like
really
such
a
mind,
shift
from
past
conversations
in
this
area.
N
Who
I
see
also
on
this
call
all
worked
together
to
do
a
presentation
to
the
national
legal
aid
and
defenders
association
fairly
recently
to
talk
about
the
collaboration
that
bha,
gvls
and
city
life
theatre
urbana
are
doing
in
the
whole
area
of
tenant
empowerment
so
that,
as
bha
does
redevelopment,
it's
making
sure
that
residents
are
sort
of
front
and
center
and
that
there
are
key
protections
that
they're
aware
of
and
that
they're
in
the
driver's
seat
about
keeping
key
areas
of
tenant
participation
and
there's
a
really
useful
discussion
in
there
about
the
sort
of
past
history
of
what
happened
at
harbor
point,
and
it's
always
important
for
us
to
keep
that
front
and
center.
N
And
initially,
as
that
program
was
rolled
out,
it
was
a
difficult
program
because,
as
people
have
mentioned,
it
would
only
replicate
what
you
had
for
operating
subsidy
and
capital
subsidy,
basically
to
repackage
it
over
time.
That
target
has
moved
and
hud
has,
for
example,
said
we're
going
to
set
aside
25
of
those
units
to
also
get
more
deep,
deeper
subsidies
through
the
section
8
levels,
and
so
I
think
from
initially
thinking
gee.
N
This
is
not
going
to
be
enough
of
a
funding
stream
to
really
work
for
boston
to
then,
okay,
let's
figure
out
what
we
can
do,
because
you
know
there's
nothing
new
showing
up
on
the
horizon
from
the
federal
government,
and
so
we
have
to
work
really
hard.
I
agree
totally
with
what
joe
said
earlier
about
sort
of
all
the
brain
freezes
that
happen
about
the
complications
of
the
financing
and
everything
else.
N
But
really
really
people
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
this
and
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
bring
this
forward.
Would
we
would
be
happy
to
share
with
the
council
members
what
lauren
had
pulled
together
for
the
nlaba
presentation,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
useful
sort
of
back
history
and
back
story?
That
shows
why,
having
collaborations
like
this
are
going
to
be
so
useful
and
why
we're
so
blessed
to
have
the
the
leadership
that
we
have
right
now,
working
on
this
at
the
housing
authority
at
dnd
and
with
yourselves.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
steve
mitchum
from
city
life,
peter
urbana,.
L
Thank
you
all.
I
guess
I
would
just
say
very,
very
briefly.
City
life
has
been
fighting
against
evictions
and
displacement
for
47
years
since
the
pandemic
started.
We
fielded
over
2500
desperate
calls
from
people
facing
eviction
this
morning
on
the
radio
I
was
listening
to
report
as
I
drove
in
about
how
the
tsunami
of
evictions
predicted
by
housing
advocates
has
started
to
happen,
and
you've
heard
the
the
statistic
about
that.
This
last
week
was
the
highest
number
of
filings
in
this
year
and
it'll,
I'm
sure,
get
worse
in
coming
weeks.
L
City
life
has
supported
public
housing
strongly
historically
and
today,
for
all
those
47
years,
public
housing
has
worked
incredibly
well,
given
its
level
of
funding
and
the
task
assigned
to
it
compared
to
other
possible
initiatives,
certainly
compared
to,
for
instance,
what's
called
expiring
use.
Housing
public
housing
has
remained
affordable
without
rebuying
the
affordability
year
after
year
after
year,
and
had
public
housing
receive
the
same
level
of
funding
that
project-based
section
8
contracts
are
now
providing
around
the
city.
L
It
would
we
we
would
be
in
a
whole
different
ball
game,
so
I
just
think
I
want
to
acknowledge
that,
and
I
I
share,
I
think,
kate
bennett's
reaction
and
and
what
mac
mentioned
about
the
fact
that
there's
this
debate
on
the
city
council
about
who
has
the
most
affordable
housing,
who
has
the
most
public
housing
units
and
that's
a
good
thing.
That's
just
an
extraordinary
thing,
and
it's
one
of
those
small
things
that
that
gives
us
all
heart
and
hope.
L
I
think
I
would
just
want
to
say
that
one
of
the
things
that
city
life
is
especially
interested
in,
I
think
in
this
possibility
of
using
the
fair
cloth
initiative,
is
the
idea
of
getting
buildings
out
of
the
market.
One
of
the
things
that
sheila
dillon
said
about
combining
the
acquisition
and
opportunities
program
with
faircloth.
L
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
incredibly
incredibly
interested
in
because
we
are,
we
are
facing
mass
evictions
at
moments
of
sale
and
if
it's
possible
for
non-profits
or
the
boston,
housing
authority
or
land
trust
to
step
in
and
buy
those
buildings
instead
of
for-profit
owners
who
are
gonna,
do
mass
evictions
and
big
rent
increases.
L
L
So
I
think
I
want
to
echo
what
everybody
else
has
said
in
thanking
the
council
for
this
hearing
and
thanking
kate
and
her
staff
and
sheila,
and
your
staff
for
working
with
us
so
frequently
on
fighting
against
displacement.
So
again,
thank
you
all,
and
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
We're
happy
to
be
here.
A
Sorry,
thank
you
so
much
steve.
So
we
can.
I
want
to
announce.
Counselor
flaherty
has
also
joined
us.
Counselor
flaherty,
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
any
introductory
kind
of
quick
comments.
If
not,
we
were
going
to
just
go
through
and
have
all
of
my
speakers.
I
think
that
was
it
right
yeah
I
was
going
to
go
through
the
order
of
arrival
folks
to
ask
any
questions
or
make
suggestions.
A
A
Okay,
well,
he
was
here
so
if
he
comes
back
in
I'll,
go
ahead
and.
Q
Q
You
know
renovate
refurbish
and
revitalize
public
housing.
So
we
need
to
continue
to
do
that.
We'll
continue
to
support
that
any
way
they
can
and
we
need
to
continue
to
talk
about
and
promote
more
public
housing
opportunities
in
the
city
as
we
continue
to
become
the
city
of
the
very
rich
and
the
very
poor
there's
a
lot
of
folks
but
iran.
Q
Housing
christ
is
in
need
of
a
roof
over
the
head
and
public
cars,
because
that
is
done
for
my
family's
families
for
generations
and
footnote
on
on
the
old
harbor,
which
is
now
the
muriel
mccomic.
It
was
one
of
the
first
public
housing
developments
built
in
the
country.
Q
Our
hope
is
that
working
with
kate
and
her
team
will
see
some
revitalization
down
at
the
mayor
on
the
the
very
near
future
and
also
being
able
to
add
more
units
of
public
housing,
not
only
in
south
boston,
but
to
the
entire
chair
and
listening
to
the
experts.
Obviously,
they
know
more
about
this
than
the
project.
Kid.
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
flaherty,
so
just
going
in
order
of
arrival
suggestions,
thoughts,
we'll
start
off
with
the
the
lead
sponsor
or
the
sponsor
of
this
ordinance
or
hearing
order.
Excuse
me,
counselor
bach,
followed
by
counselor
janie,
then
counselor
arroyo.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
and
thanks
to
everyone,
both
the
panelists
and
the
folks
who
testified,
and
I
just
I
really
want
to
echo
what
folks
have
said
about
the
stability
this
can
provide
and
and
really
that
piece.
It's
not
just
about
families
being
low
income.
B
But
sometimes
folks,
don't
understand
why
it
is
that
our
cdcs
find
themselves
in
a
difficult
situation
at
those
times
when
families
experience
those
losses
and
it's
because
their
funding
model
does
not
allow
for
that
flexibility,
that
public
housing
and
vouchers
do
where
the
where
the
rent
goes
up
and
down
in
people's
circumstances.
So
I
just
think
that's
such
an
important
model
when
you
think
about
like
what
a
real
social
safety
net
looks
like
in
a
way
that
keeps
our
our
communities
whole
and
stable.
B
I
wanted
to
and
the
one
other
comment
I
wanted
to
enter.
I
didn't
get
to
compete
in
the
who
has
the
most
public
housing
sweepstakes,
because
I
represent
the
district
with
the
least
public
housing.
In
fact,
I
don't
think
there
is
a
single
unit
of
conventional
public
housing.
B
In
my
district
there
is
the
mission
main
redeveloped
public
housing
and
there's
some
great
project-based
section:
8
voucher,
senior
housing,
but
there's
no
conventional
public
housing
in
my
district,
and
I
want
to
highlight
that,
because
we've
been
talking
about
other
related
efforts
today
and
on
wednesday,
we'll
be
voting
on
the
firmly
furthering
fair
housing
zoning
ordinance,
an
effort,
that's
been
led
by
councilor
edwards
and
that
I've
been
pleased
to
be
able
to
also
work
on
and
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
focused
on
is
how
do
we
get
affordable
housing
and
access
for
people
from
all
protected
classes
to
all
parts
of
the
city,
including
parts
where
they've
been
historically
excluded?
B
B
We
don't
see,
dense
public
housing
existing
previously
putting
it
on
top
for
public
assets,
looking
for
opportunities
with
public
land
and
then
looking
for
those
opportunities
like
steve
referenced
of
aop
buildings,
where
we
could
stabilize
some
of
our
low-income
tenants
who
would
otherwise
lose
their
housing,
but
in
often
these
high-cost
neighborhoods,
I
think,
is
such
an
important
piece
of
this
in
terms
of
really
living
into
the
promise
of
a
of
an
integrated
city
and
a
city,
that's
got
a
place
for
everyone
in
all
of
its
neighborhoods,
so
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
B
The
the
question
I'll
just
ask
one
question
of
kate
and
her
team,
because
I
pepper
them
with
questions
and
comments
and
opinions
on
this.
All
the
time
is
just
you
know
what
I'm
excited
about
you
referenced
earlier
rad,
which
is
this
federal
program
that
basically
for
people's
reference.
It's
like
lauren
said
this,
but
and
so
did
steve,
but
the
money
that
comes
in
for
a
public
housing
unit
on
a
monthly
basis.
B
These
days
is
not
enough
to
make
the
like
repairs
to
replace
the
roof
every
20
years
right
it
just
it
doesn't
cover
that
kind
of
basic
stuff
and
then
what's
exciting
about
rad
this
this
federal
program.
Is
it
basically
increases
the
amount
that
you
could
get
monthly
for
these
units,
such
that
you
would
be
able
to
be
confident
that
you
could
maintain
them
in
a
good
in
a
good
way
for
the
long
run,
but
that
does
increase.
B
So
it
moves
us
into
like
we
could
have
stable
units
and
that's
exciting
because
they
have
to
be
stable
for
us
to
be
able
to
support
2500
more
of
them
and
and
creating
those
is
going
to
give
us
access
to
millions
and
millions
of
federal
dollars
that
we
have
the
right
to
that.
We're
not
using
right
now
every
year,
so
super
exciting.
B
Getting
other
support
to
get
the
units
built
and,
and
and
you
know,
and
so
with
as
joe
referenced
often
his
members
are
cobbling
together
funding,
but
it's
only
letting
them
get
those
tax
credit
units
and
not
that
deep
affordability.
B
My
question
for
kate
is,
I
think,
one
of
the
open
and
exciting
spaces
here
is
that
the
city
has
in
recent
years
started
to
support
public
housing
in
its
capital
budget
and
because
these
are
a
public
good
right,
and
so
we
start
talking
about
public
housing
in
this
way
that
really
references
the
fact
that
it's
not
just
for
the
person
who
lives
in
it.
B
It's
for
the
type
of
society
we
want
to
be
and
there's
support
for
support
in
our
capital
budget
in
recent
years
for
the
big
project
in
councilor,
edwards's
district
in
charlestown,
and
also
recently
this
year
we
just
approved
a
budget
with
funding
for
some
of
our
senior
housing,
and
I
know
I
think
tomorrow
the
city
is
issuing
bonds
to
support
that
work.
H
Yeah
thanks
counselor,
so
you're
right,
the
the
rad
operating
subsidy
is
a
more
reasonable
operating
subsidy
I
mean
the
operating
subsidy
we
get
doesn't,
even
you
know,
isn't
even
sufficient
to
operate
the
property,
which
is
kind
of
like
our
fundamental
reality
with
our
conventional
public
housing.
The
rad
reimbursement
is,
is
much
more
reasonable,
but
it
means
you
need
to
essentially
inherit
a
free
unit
that
you
can
then
attach
subsidy
to
so
by
our
math
to
construct
a
brand
new
unit.
H
You
know
to
comprise
the
whatever
four
or
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
it
actually
takes
to
build
a
unit
in
this
town,
but
once
we
had
that
capital,
subsidy
and
built
the
unit,
we
could
then
attach
the
fair
cloth
subsidy
converted
to
rad
and,
and
it
would
be
reasonable
going
from
there.
What
we've
tried
to
do,
because
you
know
2500
units
at
200
000
each
is-
is
whatever
400
500
million
dollars,
whatever,
whatever
that
capital
infusion
is,
while
it'd
be
nice
to
do
some
new
units.
What
we've?
H
What
we've
also
tried
to
do
is
find
properties
that
are
existing,
that
don't
need
a
ton
of
capital
work
that
we
could
bring
into
this
ownership
and
system
where
we
can
attach
the
subsidy,
but
there's
not
that
such
as
such
a
huge
capital
need
that
either
you
need
to
construct
a
new
unit
or
you
need
to
do
really
intensive
redevelopment.
H
B
Great
thanks
and
I
lied.
I
have
one
quick
question
for
sheila,
which
is
just
thinking
about
you
know.
We
hear
a
lot
about
the
frustration
of
idp
not
being
affordable
enough
and
sort
of
thinking
about
whether
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
like
to
pair
this
with
idp
in
a
way
that
kind
of
buys
down
some
of
those
units
to
a
deep
affordability.
Just
curious.
How
you
guys
are
thinking
about
that.
I
So
we
we
have
given
kate,
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this
as
a
possibility.
I
think
the
next
step
is
to
you
know,
have
a
focus
group
with
some
of
the
owners
talking
about
the
mechanics
of
this,
but
it
is
certain
first
blush.
It
seems
like
an
opportunity.
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
into
the
details.
B
A
All
this
time
with
coffee
in
my
hand,
I
should
have
woke
up
right
now,
like
I
don't
know
how
to
use
them.
Oh
my
goodness,
sorry
about
that
counselor,
janie
and
then
followed
by
counselor,
braden
counselor
arroyo
is
might
have
to
step
away
and
does
not
have
any
questions
so.
D
D
I
would
be
interested
in
where
the
opportunities
are
for
for
more
housing
in
terms
of
any
public
land
that
we
exist.
If
you
have
that
information
by
by
neighborhood,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
I
would
also
be
interested
in
finally
settling
you
know
the
competition
about
public
housing.
Among
my
colleagues
I
heard
councillor
flynn
say
he
has
the
most
number
of
units
I
heard
counselor
edwards
say
she
has
the
largest
development.
D
I'm
convinced
that
I
have
the
largest
concentration
of
public
housing
in
in
some
parts
of
my
district,
and
I
wonder
if
someone
would
affirm
that
and
it
presents
a
different
kind
of
challenge
when
it's
all
concentrated,
so
I'd
be
interested
again
in
the
first
question
about
opportunities
by
neighborhood,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
make
sure
throughout
our
city
that
people
can
afford
to
live
regardless
of
neighborhoods.
So
could
someone
quickly
just
speak
to
the
opportunities
available
and
get
clarity
around
the
facts
around
the
competition,
the
friendly
competition
with
with
colleagues.
H
Sure,
hi,
counselor
and
so
on.
The
second
point,
yes,
we'd,
be
happy
to
put
together
a
series
of
awards
and
we
will.
We
will
evaluate
the
opportunities
for
that
and
I'm
sure
there's
something
for
everyone.
I'm
sure
there
is
I
as
to
the
opportunities
we
are
looking
across
the
entire
portfolio
at
both
existing
sites
that
might
have
additional
land.
H
We
have
a
few
vacant
parcels
that
we
still
own
that
we're
looking
at
as
well
and
again
we're
looking
at
with
with
dnd
at
public
facilities
that
might
be
able
to
add
housing.
I
hesitate
to
say
yet
where
the
opportunities
are
in
the
portfolio,
because
we
we
just,
we
haven't,
engaged
in
those
conversations
with
residents.
Yet
no.
H
D
Think
that
would
be
helpful
and
I
understand
and
deeply
appreciate
the
need
for
engaging
residents
in
the
conversation
and
at
this
point
I'm
treating
it
as
just
a
blank
canvas
of
trying
to
understand
where
the
various
parcels
are
not
all
of
it
obviously
will
be
developed
for
for
public
housing.
If
that's,
what
we're
going
to
do,
I'm
sure
some
of
it
will
be
you'll
do
disposition
the
way
you
normally
do
it.
D
So
I
would
appreciate
that
whenever
you
have
that
that
available,
I
do
want
to
just
follow
up
on
a
comment
that
council
arroyo
made
in
his
opening
around
the
upkeep
and
maintenance
of
public
housing.
This
is
a
huge
issue
in
my
district
in
terms
of
the
public
housing
that
currently
exists
and
the
lack
of
resources
federally
starting
there,
and
let's
hope
that
the
new
administration
will
make
some
adjustments
so
that
we
can
keep
up
with
the
housing.
D
So
I'm
thinking
of
different
developments
like
colgate
and
there's
someone
tremont
and
columbus
that
are
that
are
public
housing,
then
they're,
obviously
the
develop
the
large
developments
as
well.
Can
you
speak
to?
D
Can
you
speak
to
the
investment
or
opportunities
around
making
sure
that
they're
not
just
all
falling
apart,
and
I
think
that's
a
big
challenge
for
folks
who
live
in
public
housing
they're,
not
seeing
the
investment
in
terms
of
keeping
up
the
housing.
H
Yeah,
absolutely,
and-
and
I
agree
that
that
we
have
a
lot
of
really
difficult
conditions
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
address
and
we've
been
working
hard
to
develop
a
strategy
for
every
site.
H
The
same
opportunity
with
the
rad
program
that
we've
been
talking
about
relative
to
this
surplus
subsidy
exists
for
us
to
convert
our
existing
properties
to
that
to
that
subsidy
so
that
we
can
have
more
revenue
essentially
to
do
that
investment
and
so
for
our
our
entire
elderly
portfolio.
Right
now
is
being
planned
for
those
conversions
over
the
next
five
years
and
we're
really
hoping
that
that
will
stabilize
a
lot
of
those
properties
we're
still
working
on
strategies
for
some
of
our
family
sites.
H
Many
of
you
will
remember.
We
were
able
to
do
some
significant
work
when
president
obama
first
came
into
office
under
the
hour
bill,
and
we
just
we
need.
You
know
we
need
that
kind
of
capital
infusion,
and
so
we,
you
know,
as
you
know,
we've
engaged
in
a
number
of
public-private
partnerships.
That's
not
the
answer
for
every
site,
and
so
we're
just
you
know,
we're
we're
trying
to
work
site
by
site
to
develop
a
strategy
we're
further
along
with
some
with
some
properties
than
others.
A
D
A
You
councilor
braden,
followed
by
councillor
mejia.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'd
like
to
go
right
back
to
the
issue
about
tenant,
empowerment
and
also
building
family
self-sufficiency,
because
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
don't
seem
to
have.
The
resources
to
do
is
to
really
ensure
that
the
tenants
are
as
resilient
as
possible,
and
also
that
that
that
is
a
if
you
have
a
strong
tenants
association,
I'm
I'm
talking
through
the
lens
of
holston
brighton
right
now.
C
If
your
tenants
association
is,
is
debilitated
and
and
disempowered
and
burnt
out,
then
you
it
ends
up.
You
have
a
lot
of
problems
develop
over
time.
So
if
other
resources
to
help
support
the
tenants
associations
and
and
to
I
think
it
was
whose
point
was
it
glb
gbls
was
talking
about
tenant
of
empowerment,
strategies
to
to
help
help
work
from
the
ground
up,
as
well
as
from
the
top
down.
H
That's
a
great
question:
counselor.
Thank
you.
I
there
there
are
tenant
participation,
funds
available
that
are
part
of
our
operating
subsidy
that
we
make
available
to
the
the
resident
organizations.
H
You
know
what
I,
what
I
would
say,
though,
is
it's.
It's
a.
It
can
be
a
a
big
effort
for
resident,
organize
resident
organizations
to
bring
on
new
blood
and
reconstitute
themselves
over
time.
So
what
we
see
a
lot
is
this
kind
of
ebb
and
flow
of
a
resident
organization
with
a
strong
leader
who
either
moves
on
or
passes
away,
and
it
takes
a
long
time
for
that
site
to
create
a
new,
create
momentum
for
a
new
resident
organization
and
there's
not
dollars
for
that
organizing
activity,
there's
sort
of
minimal
operating
dollars.
H
So
that
is
a
gap
we
we
look
for
grant
funding
and
partnerships
to
try
to
help
with
that,
and
we
have
a
number
of
partnerships,
including
with
those
on
the
call
at
gbls
and
peter
urbana,
and
many
others
who
who
who
helped
with
that
effort,
but
that's
clearly
a
need
as
well.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
and
then
also
what,
where
do
we
start?
What's
the
first
step
into
in
in
in
addre
addressing
and
getting
this,
this
idea
rolling,
like
I'm
very
excited
with
the
potential,
but
what's
the
first
move
that
we
have
to
make,
I
think
maybe
missed
it
in
all
the
conversation
this
morning,
but
just
the
tangible
first
steps
that
we
we
need
to
be
taking.
H
I
think
we
just
need
to
identify
projects
that
that
can
pencil
out
with
this
rad
subsidy,
and
so
we
are
working
on
that.
Dnd
is
working
on
that
some
of
the
cdcs
are
working
on
that
and
it's
it's
not
it's.
It's
it's
difficult
because
of
you
know
some
of
what
we've
talked
about
in
the
need
for
more
capital
that
is
available,
but
I
think
that's.
The
key
is
just
identifying
sites
and
projects,
and
I'm
hoping
over
the
next
90
days,
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
come
up
with
some
places
to
start.
A
E
Thank
you
no
problem.
I
actually
had
service
issues,
so
I
I
just
have
one
question
now.
First
off
I
want
to
thank
the
panel
for
being
so
informative
and
also
for
trying
to
answer
questions
in
depth.
So
often
it
feels
like
we
don't
get
very.
You
know
substantive
answers
to
questions,
and
this
is
welcome
relief
in
terms
of
senior
housing.
E
E
You
know
back
in
the
60s
70s
80s
when
these
houses
were
incredibly
affordable,
but
now
those
houses
on
the
same
market
are
probably
in
the
in
the
high
400s
500,
thousands
right,
and
so
the
issue
is
their
income's,
not
the
same
they're,
not
you
know:
they're
not
working
on
large
savings,
they're,
they're
property,
rich
and
cash
poor,
and
they
want
to
downsize.
They
want
to
move
into
affordable
housing,
but
one
of
the
issues
that
we
moved
into,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
a
two-part
question.
E
The
first
is:
where
are
we
on
increasing
the
stock
of
senior
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
boston?
Where
are
we
with
that,
and
where
are
we
with
increasing
it?
The
second
was
a
more
nuanced
question.
Where
you
know
we
have
the
affordable,
senior
housing,
that's
coming
in
to
hyde
park
and
one
of
the
major
questions
and
sort
of
points
that
they
were
making
were.
E
We're
opening
up
housing
stock
to
the
community,
but
the
problem
was
selling
of
a
property,
would
actually
put
their
net
worth
above
the
ability
to
be
eligible
for
affordable
housing,
and
there
was
no
way
at
least
at
that
time,
to
square
that.
So,
basically,
if
you
sold
your
home,
your
cash
poor,
you
sold
your
home
now
you're
catch
rich,
but
you
don't
really
have
large
savings.
You
just
have
what
you
have
and
you
want
to
move
into
an
affordable
housing
unit.
E
It
was
not
possible,
and
so
the
question
is
what
are
we
doing
to
sort
of
solve?
That
is
that
a
solvable
issue
is
that
something
that
we
need
the
feds
for?
How
are
we
looking
at
that?
So
those
two-
I
guess
three
things:
where
are
we
on
housing
stock
for
seniors?
Where
are
we
on
increasing
it,
and
how
do
we
deal
with
the
you
know:
cash
poor
land
rich
who
want
to
sell
their
homes
and
move
into
affordable
housing,
but
then
the
income
of
that
sale
changes
changes
their
dynamic.
I
So
I'll
I'll
start
with
the
first
counselor
and
I
will
get
over
to
you
with
the
next.
You
know
couple
of
days
a
listing
of
all
the
the
senior
housing
in
the
city,
but
also,
more
importantly,
to
your
question,
a
pipeline
of
the
senior
affordable
housing
that
is
in
construction
or
that
we
have
identified
sites
for
it's.
I
think
we're
making
progress
there.
I
There
has
it
there,
but
I
agree
with
you:
we
really
do
need
to
increase
the
sites
and
the
resources
available
to
create
new
senior
housing,
but
we
do
have
a
pretty
healthy
pipeline
right
now,
with
two
closing.
I
think
even
this
week,
one
in
east,
boston
and
one
in
the
north
end,
but
we
we
need
more
so
but
I'll
get
that
report
over
to
you.
You
know
when
you
ask
that
about
the
seniors.
It's
something
I've
given
a
lot
of
thought,
but
not
recently
too.
I
I
We
do
have
asset
limits
because
we,
you
know,
if
someone's
got
200
000
in
the
bank
or
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
bank
and
someone's
got
15
cents
in
the
bank.
We
do
want
to
prioritize
those
that
you
know
don't
have
assets,
don't
have
any
other
opportunities
given
how
tight
the
market
is,
but
that
for
folks
for
seniors
they
may
have
equity,
but
then
their
incomes
are
really
low
and
very
very
fixed.
I
There
are
developments
in
the
city
that
take
that
into
consideration,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
you
on
whether
or
not
whether
or
not
they're
like
how
how
how
broad
that
policy
exception
is.
So
I
want
to
misspeak
today.
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
you,
but
it
is
a
little
slightly
different
from
with
public
housing.
Kate
am
I
correct.
H
I
Sorry
there
is
a
development
in
which
I
always
point
to
which
I
love
and
we
haven't.
We've
had
a
hard
time
getting
developers
interested
in
replicating
it
and
that's
the
sofia
snow
house
outside
it.
I
Well,
it's
you
know
it's
sort
of
as
you
head
towards
roslindale
and
west
roxbury,
but
it's
you
know
they
seniors
are
able
to
take
their
assets,
buy
down
the
construction,
debt
or
the
or
the
loan
that's
currently
outstanding
and
then
when
they
pass
away
or
when
they
leave,
they
get
90
of
back
of
of
that
investment
and
their
housing
monthly
costs
are
incredibly
low.
It's
a
very
good
model
for
for
seniors
that
have
assets
but
very
fixed
incomes.
E
Thank
you.
I
didn't
know
that
about
the
sofia
snow
house.
That's
actually
that's
interesting,
because
I
know
in
my
district
what
we
have
is
a
lot
of
folks
who
bought
homes
in
this
district
when
those
homes
were
maybe
20.
30
40
000
are
working
on
really
fixed
incomes,
making
tough
choices
about
you
know
their
utilities
versus
their
medicine,
but
when
they
sell
their
home
they
are
in
suddenly
influx
with
cash.
But
that's
really
not
enough
to
spread
out
over.
E
You
know
whatever
their
rest
of
their
life
is,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
there's
a
way-
and
it
sounds
like
you
will
get-
have
this
conversation
at
a
later
date,
just
to
figure
out
how
we
can
accommodate
somebody
in
that
situation
who
wants
to
downsize,
wants
to
leave
their
home,
live
with
more
dignity
and
more
access
to
resources,
but
also
on
the
fixed
income
that
they
have,
and
so
that's
I
think
the
sofia
snow
plan
sounds
interesting
to
me.
I
wonder
if
that's
something
the
city
could
pilot
as
well.
I
I
I
I
don't.
I
would
be
glad
to
set
up
a
meeting
with
whoever
is
interested
to
talk
to
the
management
company
just
to
understand
the
mechanics.
You
know
they
could
explain
it
probably
better
than
I,
but
I
could
use
a
refresher
as
well,
so
I'd
be
glad
to
pull
that
together.
If
that
would
be
helpful.
H
Thank
you
thanks
counselor,
I'm
sorry.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
have
a
conflict
and
I
have
to
drop
off
the
call.
Joel
wool
who
you
may
remember
from
another
life
is
here
with
me
a
special
advisor
he
he
can
take
questions
as
well
as
gail,
livingston
senior,
deputy
administrator
and
again
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
your
interest
in
this.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you-
and
this
is
great
because
I
I
reserved
all
of
my
questions
for
joel
all
of
my
tough
hard
questions
about
his
training,
about
his
experience,
wondering
really
where
his
vision
has
come
from
from
housing.
I
preserved
all
of
that
for
joel
wolf
and
I
just
have
to
say
this
is
an
emotional
moment
for
me,
because
joel
was
my
policy
director
up
until
this
year.
We
were
waiting
for
this
at
one
point
time
to
come,
where
he
would
be
testifying
at
a
city
council.
A
A
And
I'm
very
happy
and
just
was
waiting
for
this
moment
to
happen,
and
so
I'm
also
stupid
emotional
as
of
late.
So
I'm
sorry,
but
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done
joel
and
I
want
to
give
credit
where
credit
is
due
next
up
over
here
and
then
followed
by
counter
flame.
K
F
F
Chairwoman,
edwards
oftentimes-
we're
always
asked
to
leave
ourselves
at
the
door,
and
I
I
think
it's
beautiful
that
you
are
just
bringing
all
of
you
into
this
space,
and
so
thank
you
for
doing
that
and
being
you
okay,
now
on
to
my
questions,
y'all
and
I'm
just
joking,
but
I
love-
I,
I
think
counselor
edwards,
I
you're
the
only
I.
F
I
really
do
appreciate
all
of
your
hearings
because
I
feel
like
we
all
learn
a
lot,
or
at
least
I
learn
a
lot,
and
I
know
that
the
people
who
are
following
along
are
learning
so
much
because
you're
so
intentional
about
making
sure
that
people
understand
all
the
jargon
that
is
discussed
and
you
help
break
things
down.
So
I
I
always
show
up
to
all
of
your
hearings,
just
because
I
know
I'm
going
to
learn
a
lot,
and
so
thank
you.
F
So
I
just
have
a
few
questions.
I'm
just
curious
about.
There
was
something
that
was
mentioned
in
the
hearing
order.
It
says
that
the
boston
public
housing
stock
is
descensified
desensified.
F
I
don't
even
know
if
I'm
pronouncing
it
right,
but
I
would
like
somebody
on
the
panel
or
even
the
sponsor
to
talk
about
what
the
sensifying
looked
like.
Basically,
what
we
have
before
and
what
it
did
defensify
into
what
is
an
appropriate
level
of
density
to
both
meet
the
need
of
affordable
units
while
not
creating
soulless
tower
blocks.
F
So
if
somebody
could
just
help
our
audience
and
me
understand
what
that
is,
that
would
be
great,
and
then
I
asked
because
we've
seen
high
dense,
affordable
housing
units
large
towers
blocks
of
100
units
and
how
they
don't
contribute
to
the
sense
of
safety
and
community
in
certain
neighborhoods.
F
So
I'm
just
curious
about
what
the
thinking
is
around
that
and
then
the
last
question
that
I
have
is
that
I
feel
like,
and
maybe
it
might
be,
not
the
last
question
I
don't
know,
but
I
feel
like
when
we
drive
past
public
housing
developments.
You
can
still
tell
that
you're
driving
past
the
public
housing
and
I'm
just
curious.
F
What
what?
What
role
we're
playing
to
create
housing
that
feels
less
stigmatized
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I'd
like
to
lift
up
is
that
I
think
well,
let's
just
answer
those
questions
and
if
I
have
time
then
I'll
go
on
my
little
rants.
K
All
right,
councilman,
I'm
happy
to
answer
unless
the
the
sponsored
hearing
order
wanted
to
comment
just
but
but
I'll
just
briefly,
say
just
start
off,
but
first.
A
K
Briefly,
thank
my
my
friend
and
then
for
the
man
words.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
words
regarding
your
comments,
so
the
the
first
one
I
believe
it's
administrator
bennett
referred
to
this,
but
de-densifying
public
housing,
so
without
putting
a
particular
value
on
that
just
to
start
off.
K
I
think
part
of
this
is
literally
and
to
your
point,
you
know
in
some
development
of
redevelopment
streams,
we've
had
very
concentrated
housing
that
has
been
deconcentrated,
so
whether
there
were
fewer
overall
units
or
simply
more
spread
out
that
the
strategy
employed
took
a
very
concentrated
set
of
public
housing
units
and
cursed
those,
so
they
were
less
less
dense.
K
To
some
of
the
issues
that
you're
raising
around
stigma
around
design
around
the
aesthetic
and
social
integration
with
the
neighborhood
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
from
bha
there's
really
several
pieces
here.
One
is
that
in
the
21st
century
and
with
you
know
current
ideas
about
what
we
need
to
do
in
community
planning
to
engage
with
people,
I
think
part
of
that
is
when
we
bring
on
design
consultants,
we
work
with
city
partners
or
private
partners
to
do
the
same
thing.
B
K
You
know
hold
us
accountable
to
that,
but
we
will
do
what
we
intend
to
do
and
the
administration
I
think
is.
I
cannot
can't
speak
for
that,
but
I
think
there'd
be
a
work
in
full
partnership
in
that
area.
I.
N
K
Some
of
the
other
pieces
do
relate
to
the
other
supportive
elements
that
are
necessary
for
people,
families,
straight
households
to
have
achievements,
and
I
think
counselor
greatness
and
our
colleagues
get
on
some
of
these
elements.
But
when
we
build
when
we
build
housing
or
when
we,
you
know,
you
can
provide
vouchers
in
places
when
we
refer
families
into
housing
programs,
you
know
making
sure
that
the
supports
and
networks
are
there
and
having
those
part
of
the
design.
K
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
thing,
that's
something
we
can
take
feedback
on
and
work
with.
It's
something
that
members
of
the
council
have
been.
I
think,
fairly
involved
with
and
commenting
on
the
structure
and
referral
a
different
particular
housing
program.
So
I
again
I
apologize
that's
not
a
completely
concrete
answer,
but
I
think
part
of
it
is
just
that
we
need
to
build
in
the
support
it's
going
to
be
building
that
design
to
the
process
of
design,
and
it
can
start
from
when
we
bring
on
it.
F
Thanks
for
that-
and
I
want
to
be
super
mindful
of
time-
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
more
thing-
I
my
mom
had
a
section
8
voucher,
so
I
was
able
to
we
lived,
I
lived
she
could.
It
was
mobile,
so
we
were
able
to
live
anywhere
in
the
city
of
boston
and
I
think
that
that
also
helps
provide
a
sense
of
dignity
and
and
for
folks,
so
you
continue
to
think
about
public
housing
and
subsidies.
Just
always,
I
think
that
giving
people
some
flexibility
about
where
they
live
is
also
important.
F
I
I
always
tend
to
be
concerned
that
public
housing
tends
to
be
or
any
subsidies
are
always
in
high
concentrated
areas
of
poverty
and-
and
I
think
that
that
other
continues
to
otherwise
us
based
on
where
the
where
they
show
up,
and
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
really
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
furthering
a
fair
housing
amendment,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
help
us
address
that
issue.
So
I'm
really
excited
about
that
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
just
you
know.
I
know
we
talked
about
elder
housing.
F
I'm
also
really
concerned
about
youth.
We
have
a
lot
of
young
people
who
are
transitioning
out
of
foster
care
who
don't
have
places
to
live,
and
I'm
just
curious
as
we
start
thinking
about
housing.
F
You
know
there's
also
lgbtq,
so
I'm
just
curious
about
housing
stock
for
other
groups
that
we
haven't
mentioned
here
today,
and
what
what?
What's
the
plan
for
for
some
some
of
our
most
vulnerable
populations?
I
It
seems
like
years
away
or
go,
but
we
did
work
on
a
plan
to
end
homelessness
among
our
young,
adult
youth
and
young
adult
populations,
something
that
I
know
is
very
important
to
you,
and
and
after
a
lot
of
dialogue
with
focus
groups
and
and
young
young
adults
that
have
been
homeless
oftentimes,
they
don't
need
a
public
housing
unit
or
a
voucher
or
they
might
they
probably
need
they
know
they
do.
You
know
rental
rental
subsidies
for
several
years,
but
they
also
need
that
help
with
college
and
job.
I
I
So
that's
a
population
where
not
everybody
needs
to
be
assigned
a
public
housing
unit,
but
we
need
to
have
flexibility
in
our
housing
response
and
almost
every
population
that
we
that
we
talk
of
with
you,
you
know,
needs
a
certain
type
of
housing
really
to
thrive.
Right
seniors
need
really,
mostly
you
know,
very
affordable
housing
with
a
lot
of
supports
and
family
housing
is
something
else,
and
youth
housing
is
something
else
and
then
for
our
individual
homelessness
populations.
They
need.
I
You
know
smaller
units,
usually
in
a
community
with
a
lot
of
24
hours,
seven
supports
so
each
population
you
know,
has
a
different
housing
prescription.
That's
what
makes
it
interesting,
but
that's
what
makes
it
sometimes
an
unlimited
resource
environment
complicated
to
deliver.
F
A
You
thank
you
all,
and
just
also,
to
give
a
little
shout
out
to
the
work
from
the
from
dnd.
We
did.
I
I'm
sorry
if
you
mentioned
this.
The
first
elder
lgbtq
housing.
A
Great,
it
is
yes,
but
that
was
also
in
response
to
your
question.
Counselor
mejia,
about
specifically
that
aging
population
needing
unique,
safe
space
housing
because
generations
ago,
and
unfortunately,
some
of
that
generation
or
a
good
chunk
of
that
generation
ago
and
senior
housing
still
has
some
of
the
deep
prejudices
and
discrimination
against
some
of
our
lgbtq
population.
So
making
sure
we
we
had
a
place
of
dignified,
beautiful
housing
for
them
to
land
as
well
was
important.
A
I
believe
council
flynn
had
a
conflict
or
had
to
leave
councillor
sabi
george
and
then
councilor
flaherty.
If
he's
still
on,
and
then
I
will
do
some
quick
suggestions.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
everyone
for
the
presentation
and
the
level
of
conversation
today.
I
think
it's
really
important,
and
you
just
want
to
echo
and
just
say
again
how
excited
I
am
about
the
work
on
the
special
commission
going
forward.
Is
you
know
we
need
more
public
housing
in
the
city
of
boston.
Families
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
would
benefit.
I
think
the
the
greatest
from
from
that
resource.
O
I
forget
who
I
don't
know
if
it
was
lauren
or
kate
earlier
mentioned
the
very
long
wait
lists
for
our
bha
40
000
families
on
that
list,
and
you
know
a
number
of
us
have
talked
several
times
about.
You
know
how
real
as
a
wait
list.
If
it's
that
long
is
it,
you
know,
really
should
just
talk
about
closing
that
list,
because
we're
setting
families
up
for
the
longest
wait
ever.
Is
there
any
very
direct
study
or
analysis?
O
K
So
I
will
I'll
jump
back
in.
Thank
you
counselor,
so
I
I
guess
I
wanted
to
say
a
couple
of
things
there
one
and
I
think,
certainly
the
city
partners,
may
you
know,
comment
on
this
as
well
as
general
housing
need.
We
have
certainly
looked
at
issues
related
to
the
wait
list.
It's
further
complicated
at
the
aha,
I
think,
just
to
back
up
because
we
have
both
federal
and
state
public
housing,
as
well
as
administering
the
voucher
program,
so
we're
making
where
and
then
initiating
a
city
battle.
For.
K
Thank
you
to
the
mayor
and
the
council.
For
for
that,
so
we
have.
We
really
have
multiple
wait
lists
and
it
is
something
of
immense
complexity
in
terms
of
the.
If,
if
it's
the
number
of
units
or
number
gotten
dollar
figure,
for
you
know
closing
that
or
for
that's
something
you
would
have
to
circle
back
on.
K
What
I
can
say
is
that
we
are
constantly
thinking
of
and
looking
at
ways
to
improve
our
weightless
processes
and
both
and
then
really
in
terms
of
both
how
we
work
in
the
state
and
federal
programs
and
to
better
coordinate
consolidate
one.
So
it's
more
user
friendly
part
of
that
is
just
an
overall
modernization.
I've
heard
at
the
bha
that's
going
going
more
online
having
more
interactive
updating
our
housing
service
center,
but.
K
With
the
state
and
federal
actors,
so
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
several
several
different
questions
in
one
there's.
Certainly
there's
certainly
a
long
wait
list
there.
K
We
you
know
we
we
want
to
be
focusing
on
housing
people
and
on
maintaining
housing
and
creating
good
social
conditions
and
supporting
residents,
and
that
and
not
on
the
administrative
acts
of
pushing
paper,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that's
very
much
on
our
staff's
mind
because
the
more
we
can
they
have
have
housing
or
job
resources
for
people
so
that
they
don't
need
to
be
on
it
and
b
process
that
faster.
The
less
of
it
is
on
us
that
that's,
I
think
what
I'm
asking.
K
You
know:
what's
the
resource
need
to
get
everyone
off
of
that.
I
think
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
circle
back
with
a
holistic,
yeah.
O
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
your
audio
is
in
and
out
so
just
that's
fine.
No!
No!
No!
It's
fine!
The
other
thing
I
I
think
that
we
have
to
also
make
sure
that
we're
considering
when
we're
looking
at
any
of
that
analysis
is
for
families
who
are
either
over-housed
to
make
make
sure
that
families
are
right-sized.
O
I
think
that
will
create
some
sort
of
shift
in
the
the
housing
stock
that's
available
and
and
help
us
better
plan
for
what
we're
missing,
which
I
think
are
some
of
the
bigger
units
when
we
think
about
larger
sized
families
are
most
difficult
to
house,
especially
those
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
then
the
other
piece
is
some
shifting
around
our
policies
within
public
housing.
It's
something
that
we've
talked
a
lot
about
in
the
family,
shelter,
roundtable
and
creating
opportunities
for
older
children
to
stay
at
home
longer
and.
O
You
know
to
be
a
little
bit
more
also
creative
in
families
that
double
up
for
lots
of
different
reasons,
and
how
do
we
create
circumstances
where
all
of
that
is
allowable,
and
you
know,
I
think,
that
that
all
those
sort
of
pieces
really
impact
the
the
housing
stock
availability
and
and
really
understanding
what
we
need
and
where
to
invest
future
dollars.
A
Thank
you.
If
council
flaherty
is
on
okay,
I've,
not
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
write
off
some
suggestions.
I
I
think,
with
the
hope
that
we
kind
of
can
move
this
this
hearing
into
next
year.
I'd
love
for
the
counselor
box.
A
If
she'd
consider
this
being
an
ongoing
hearing
and
conversation
and
really
I
love
the
thought
of
this,
setting
the
goal
2500
new
units,
so
in
in
meeting
that
goal
or
hoping
to
get
to
that
goal,
I
I
would
like
for
the
administration
to
possibly
with
all
your
free
time,
come
up
with
how
much
what's
the
dollar,
let's
measure
what
it
would
take
to
get
2500
new
new
units,
public
housing.
I'm
I'm
genuinely
curious,
I
feel
like
you
know,
sometimes
what
gets
measured
gets
done
and
what
would
it
take
now?
A
I
don't
believe
that
entire
burden
should
be
on
the
city
of
boston.
We
discussed
as
part
of
this
there's
going
to
be
federal
subsidies.
We
hope
under
the
new
hud
administration
there
might
be
some
parts
that
trickle
in
there's
also.
You
know,
I
think
it
helps
with
the
narrative
around
the
transfer
fee.
I
think
it
helps
the
narrative
around
linkage.
If
we
say
this
is
the
goal
federal
government's
putting
in
x
y
could
come
from
such
and
such
z
can
come
from
such
and
such
then
d
or
d.
A
That's
not
even
an
order
whatever
and
then
the
another
chunk
could
come
from
the
city
and
such
and
such
so.
I
would
like
to
know
what
the
overall
goal
is
and
then
how
we
get
there
is
this
a
goal
that
we
would
have
a
timeline
for?
Is
it
20?
I
don't.
Obviously
we
can't
do
2
500
in
a
year,
but
what
if
it
was
2
500
in
five
years
or
2
500
in
10
years?
That's
250
new
units
a
year
to
get
to
that
goal.
A
I
don't
know,
but
I'd
like
in
future
conversations
to
set
those
kinds
of
goals.
What's
the
timeline,
what's
the
funding
mechanisms
to
get
to
those
goals,
because
I
I
personally,
I
think
every
single
one
of
us
is
committed
to
that.
Not
only
that,
but
I
have
every
intention
of
winning
the
concentration,
the
size
and
the
number
of
public
housing
units
in
the
city
of
boston
or
district
one.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
I
come
out
on
top
one
day
and
have
that
win
that
competition.
A
That
being
said,
I
also
wanted
to
think
about
resources
and
counting
of
what
we
have
available
to
us
right
now.
That
could
be
places
where
public
housing
can
go,
that
the
city
controls.
So-
and
this
is
me
again
thinking
just
off
the
cuff-
I
I
love
the
idea.
I
think
council
brock
brought
it
up.
I
brought
it
up
before
looking
at
all
of
our
public
buildings,
schools
that
have
flat
roofs-
I
don't
know
police
departments,
but
the
places
where
we
have
potential
to
build
up
and
build
dents.
A
Why
aren't
we
looking
at
those
for
public
housing
or
subsidized
housing
places
or
for
our
communities?
Even
if
it
was
workforce
housing
for
teachers
to
live
on
or
near
the
school
or
for
the
police
or
fire
to
live
on
or
near
their
firehouses
or
police
stations?
Where
we
have
land
where
we
have
flat
roofs
is,
I
think
we
should
be
looking
for
where
we
should
build.
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
take
an
accounting
honestly
of
potential
spaces
where
we
can
build.
A
The
other
condition
I'd
like
for
us
to
consider
is
when
we
are
taking
any
property
out
of
a
dpa
which
we're
doing
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
that
in
east
boston,
on
our
coasts
on
our
entire
coast.
For
the
designated
port
areas.
A
There's
there
is
a
movement
to
move
some
of
that
property
out
of
a
designated
port
area,
some
to
maintain
the
industrial
use,
which
I
think
we
could
talk
about,
how
we
can
maximize
linkage
and
other
funds
from
that
if
they
maintain
the
industrial
use,
but
for
others
who
want
to
build
any
form
of
housing.
How
this
should
be
part
of
that
conversation
and
almost
a
requirement
for
any
removal
of
a
dpa
again.
This
is
a
resource
and
it's
a
leveraging
point
to
maximize
the
most
for
housing
and
for
affordable
housing.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
those
things
up
as
potential
ideas,
with
the
hope
that
we're
having
this
conversation
every
couple
months
or
every
quarter
to
one
day
get
to
the
this
is
the
goal
this
year.
This
is
how
it's
going
to
be
funded.
This
is
the
push
and
that
we
ultimately
want
there
so
that
it's
just
rattled
off
ideas.
A
I
hope
the
chair,
I'm
sorry.
The
lead
sponsor
would
be
okay
with
reintroducing
this
and
having
this
continued
conversation.
A
So
that's
that's
it,
for
me.
Is
everyone?
Okay,
with
those
ideas
I
mean,
I
don't
know,
sheila
or
or
bha
I
don't
know,
is
it
okay?
Would
it
be
feasible
to
figure
out
what
the
numbers
are
and
what
could
be
done?
I
know
we're
heading
into
a
recession,
so
I'm
not
talking
about
next
year,
but
I
do
think
it
is
wonderful
to
talk
about
this
overall
goal
but
to
break
it
down
and
have
some
dollars
assigned
to
it
might
make
even
arguing
for
the
transfer
fee
and
other
measures
even
more
pressing.
I
I
I
certainly
would
welcome-
and
I
think
I
think,
kate
has
her
a
timeline
in
her
mind
about
identifying
sites
that
the
we
could
build
additional
public
housing.
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
these
be
used
at
our
acquisitions.
You
know
some
of
them
that
are
in
your
neighborhood,
so
I
I
think
we
should
put
together
a
rough
outline
like
sort
of
like
you
know.
How
could
we
get
these
in
the
market
with
some
free?
You
know
pretty
quickly.
What
do
we
cost
where
the
sources
are
coming
from?
I
A
Thank
you,
so
I'm
going
to
check
in
with
the
lead
sponsor,
but
and
for
my
colleagues,
because
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
continued
conversation.
I
will.
I
just
will
likely
keep
this
in
committee
and
so
that
we
can
either
be
introduced
or
have
this
going
on
into
next
year.
I
think
what
I've
heard
is
overwhelming
support
for
meeting
the
goals.
A
Counselor
bach.
I
wanted
to
turn
it
over
to
you
and
I
encourage
any
of
my
colleagues
with
concluding
remarks
to
raise
their
blue
hands
and
and
subsequently
will
allow
everyone
to
say
some
final
remarks
who
want
to
and
then
we'll
probably
close.
The
hearing
council
bob.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
yes,
what
you're
suggesting
is
very
much
in
line
with
that.
What
I
was
intending
and
have
discussed
with
the
departments.
I
think
that
I
wanted
to
we've
been
having
really
productive
conversations,
as
mentioned
me,
and
the
departments,
and
also
some
of
the
stakeholders
here,
and
we
thought
it
was
a
good
opportunity
to
have
a
public
conversation
with
the
council
now.
But
I
think
the
next
step
is
it's
a
blueprint
and
a
path
forward,
and
we've
heard
we
don't.
B
I
mean,
there's
no
doubt
about
the
sense
of
urgency
right.
We
have
so
many
families
that
are
homeless,
so
many
families
on
these
wait
lists,
and
here
we
have
a
federal
resource
that
I
think
there
are
creative
ways
to
tap
in
ways
that
could
alleviate
some
of
that
pressure
all
over
the
city
and
including
including
in
district
8..
B
So
I
I
I'm
very
excited
to
work
with
the
departments
around
kind
of
charting
that
plan,
and
I
think
that,
as
you
say,
there
are
places
where
I
think
having
that
plan
will
show
us,
it
will
measure
for
us
exactly
what
the
political
will
is
that
we
need
to
marshall
to
make
certain
resources
available
in
order
to
execute
on
the
plan,
and
I
think
that
that's
always
helpful.
B
I
think
it's
much
it's
much
easier
for
people
to
understand
why
we
why
we
need
to
marshal
resources
when
they
can
see
exactly
what
it's
leading
to
and
and
concretely
who
it
will
house.
So
that's
it's
very
much.
My
hope
and
intention
in
the
new
year
did
for
us
to
all
keep
talking
about
and
more
importantly
than
talking
about,
moving
forward
on
this.
B
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
really
thank
the
departments
and
macdc
and
family
aid
and
gbls
and
and
city
life
theatre
urbana,
all
for
being
here
and
for
the
work
that
you
guys
do
every
day,
and
I
just
my
hope
with
this-
is
that
we
can
simultaneously
do
all
of
that
kind
of
emergency
work.
B
B
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
again
to
counselor
bach
and
chairwoman
edwards
for
hosting
this
and
to
the
entire
panel
and
administration.
I
love
participating
in
these
hearings
because
you
guys
always
bring
it
and
are
always
a
hundred
percent
present
and
it's
it's
refreshed
refreshing
as
counselor
arroyo
mentioned
earlier,
and
I
I
also
just
wanted
to
just
say
that
you
know
advocates
and
folks
who
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
the
housing
space.
You
know
there's
a
sense
of
urgency
and
we
always
wonder
what
is
stopping
us
from
you
know.
F
Moving
forward,
and
you
know
we
see
a
lot
of
people
who
can
no
longer
afford
to
live
in.
Boston
now
are
packing
up
and
moving
to
brockton,
and
you
know
randolph
we're
losing
people
left
and
right,
and
so
I'm
very
encouraged
by
this
conversation.
But
I
know
it's
just
the
beginning
of
of
the
work,
but
I'm
I'm
excited
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
really
grateful
to
all
of
those
who
participated
in
holding
us
accountable
to
the
things
that
we
said
we
were
going
to
do
and
how
we
go
about
getting
there.
A
Thank
you,
everyone
with
that,
I'm
going
to
close
out
today's
hearing
have
a
good
one.
Thank
you.
Everyone
thank.