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Docket #1032 - Order for a hearing to discuss the cleanliness and safety conditions at Clifford Park
B
B
Good
morning,
everyone
I
am
calling
this
hearing
to
order
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Kendra
Lara
I
am
the
district
6
city
counselor
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Boston
City
councils
committee,
our
environmental
justice,
resiliency
and
Parks
I'm
joined
this
morning
by
my
colleagues,
counselor
Aaron,
Murphy,
councilor,
Julia,
Mejia
council,
president
Ed
Flynn
and
counselor
Frank
Baker.
This
hearing
is
being
recorded.
It
is
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov,
city-counsel,
Dash,
TV
and
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
8,
RCN
channel
82
and
FiOS
channel
964..
B
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
number
1032
an
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
the
cleanliness
and
safety
conditions
at
Clifford
Park.
This
matter
was
sponsored
by
councilor,
Murphy
and
counselor.
Baker
We
will
be
taking
public
testimony
before
the
panel
has
presented.
So
if
you're
here
with
us
in
the
chamber,
please
make
sure
that
you
sign
up
near
the
chamber
entrance
and
for
all
testimony.
Please
state
your
name
for
the
record,
your
neighborhood
or
affiliation,
and
try
to
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes
joining
us.
B
So
before
turning
the
floor
over
to
public
testimony
and
then
to
our
panel
on
docket
number,
1032
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
that
my
Council
colleague,
Ruth
Legion,
has
also
joined
us
and
I.
Don't
have
any
letters
of
absence
to
read
into
the
record
beautiful,
so
I'm
gonna
pass
the
floor
over
to
public
testimony
before
we
hand
it
over
to
our
panel.
We
have
two
folks
who
are
with
us
on
zoom
and
we
would
like
to
start
with
them.
B
C
Yes,
good
morning,
councilor
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
join
you
this
morning.
My
name
is
John
barilli
and
I'm.
The
regional
senior
director
for
Roxbury
Prep
charter
school
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
I'm
here
today,
because
Roxbury
prep
is
planning
in
the
current
planning
stages
to
build
a
brand
new
high
school
at
71
Proctor
Street
on
Clifford
Park
in
Newmarket.
C
It
is
through
these
efforts
and
others
like
the
community
Gathering
back
in
September,
led
by
representative
Miranda
and
attended
by
mayor
Wu
and
police
commissioner
Michael
Cox,
and
many
in
attendance
today.
That
will
ultimately
lead
to
change
and
progress
in
New
Market,
creating
a
safe
and
welcoming
space
in
around
Clifford
Park
in
the
Fairmont
train
station
in
New
Market
are
both
critically
important
for
the
families
and
students
who
will
be
attending
Roxbury,
Prep
High
School
in
the
coming
years.
C
So
as
a
brand
new
member
of
this,
this
neighborhood
we
know
the
need
is
great
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
to
make
Clifford
Park
a
safe
place
for
our
kids.
But
Roxbury
prep
welcomes
the
opportunity
to
join
these
efforts
and
become
a
long-term
partner
in
this
neighborhood
I
want
to
thank
those
who
have
worked
tirelessly
for
years
to
create
change
in
New
Market
and
for
the
city
council
for
shining
a
light
today
on
a
problem
that
has
been
neglected
for
too
long.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
This
morning,.
B
B
E
They
they
keep.
They
constantly
are
over
in
that
area,
trying
to
make
sure
people
are
moving
and
people
are
and
that
the
area
is
clean.
Boston,
Police,
Department
everyone.
There
are
so
many
people,
but
what
the
issue
is
is
that
until
we
don't
have
people
have
have
people
sleeping
in
the
park
overnight
and
individuals
who
are
hanging
out
doing
you
know
doing
drugs
doing
able
to
able
to
leave
needles
in
the
park?
E
E
Even
after
the
two
hours
in
the
morning,
Boston
parks
department
has
people
come
and
scour
it
again
and
then
I
think
people
from
Tanya
Del,
Rio's
area
the
end
and
the
the
Outreach
workers
are
over
there
scouring
it
again,
so
we
are
picking
up
needles
every
day
over
there
in
the
morning
they
pick
up
anywhere
between
six
and
ten
needles
from
the
park.
I
know
in
the
afternoon
they
pick
up
another
four
or
five,
so
this
is
this.
Is
you
know
for
a
long
time?
E
It
was
a
question
of
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
resources
over
there,
but
now,
even
with
the
resources
we
have
over,
there,
I
think
we
still
have
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
the
needles
are
still
showing
up
there
and-
and
you
know,
I'd
also
just
like
to
speak
briefly
to
the.
By
the
way
we
are
very
excited
to
have
Roxbury
prep
coming
there.
We
think
it'll
be
very
important
to
have
the
park
even
more
utilized
and
vibrant
for
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
E
Each
day
and
one
quick
thing
we
I
I
know
this
park
is
on
the
docket
to
be
renovated,
to
be
updated
and
and
a
lot
of
changes
made.
I
would
I
would
say
something
about
the
cities,
procurement
laws
and
I
just
want
to
throw
this
out
there,
because
we
had
the
opportunity
a
year
ago,
year
and
a
half
ago
to
where
not
none
of
you
have
a
year
ago
to
work
very
closely
with
the
Cal
Ripken
Foundation,
who
is
willing
to
come
in
and
work
with
the
city
we
had.
E
We
had
been
talking
with
Ryan,
Woods
and
and
and
and
and
and
about
making
that
happen,
and
it
could
have
happened
in
a
faster
timeline.
They
come
into
inner
city
parks
and
I
should
say
inner
city,
but
well
well,
in
the
city,
public
parks
that
need
help
and
it
could
have
reduced
the
price
of
the
new
park
of
a
new
park
from
8
to
10
million
down
to
4
million,
and
it
would
have
been
full
community
input
we
had
met
with
the
community,
but
because
of
the
city's
procurement
loss.
E
B
B
Thank
you
so
much
so
we
just
have
one
one
person
I
think
we
have
one
person
here
that
is
in
person
right
now.
We
are
going
to
do
public
testimony
again.
I
think
that
in
the
spirit
of
ensuring
that
the
Administration
has
time-
and
you
know
to
respond
to
the
community's
concerns,
we
wanted
to
do
some
public
testimony
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing
and
then
listen
from
our
panel.
B
F
First
and
foremost,
because
enough
is
enough,
the
lack
of
concern
by
the
city
council,
the
mayor
and
other
departments
within
the
city
is
the
reason
why
we
have
a
nine-year-old
sitting
at
home,
taking
28
days
of
cocktail
on
my
way
here.
He
calls
me
because
he's
scared
of
what
happened
yesterday
and
the
day
before,
after
taking
a
first
dose
of
life-changing
medicine,
he
spent
all
night
in
the
toilet,
throwing
up.
F
F
F
F
It's
not
comfortable
for
anybody,
not
even
the
individuals,
navigating
substance
use,
especially
the
people
in
my
community,
who
has
to
witness
this
to
and
from
work
to
and
from
BMC
in
the
grocery
stores,
while
going
to
school,
and
the
folks
in
this
chamber
takes
it
as
it's.
A
joke
dishes
should
have
been
handled
years
ago.
The
city's
responses
to
put
two
needle
chaos
in
a
public
park
as
a
solution
to
the
issues
of
needles
being
left.
F
I
visited
the
governor
he
didn't
like
it.
He
gave
me
a
harassment
order
because
his
wife
and
his
family
felt
threatened
what
the
hell,
what
about
us
in
Roxbury,
who
wake
up
every
day
to
people
overdosing
in
our
doorsteps,
human
feces,
all
over
our
playgrounds,
our
cause
of
being
broken
into,
and
meanwhile
folks
who
live
on
the
other
side
of
the
city.
Their
response
is,
is
not
my
district.
F
F
None
of
the
kids
at
the
Boston
Bengals
deserve
what
they
see
day
in
day
out.
How
much
empathy
and
sympathy
do
these
kids
need
to
exploit
before
they're
being
heard
and
they're
not
being
heard?
Why?
Because
they're
black
and
brown
kids,
because
their
families
are
not
well
off
because
they
live
in
a
community
plagued
with
crime?
F
That's
what
y'all
been
doing
to
to
my
community
for
decades,
I
sold
newspapers
on
mass
and
cast
when
we
were
allowed
to
sell
newspapers
as
kids
I
played
at
Clifford
park
for
the
last
45
years,
but
I'm
not
on
this
panel.
I.
Wonder
why
you
and
Aaron
Murphy,
you
guys,
can
take
out
your
personals.
You
know
elsewhere.
It
shouldn't
be
here
in
this
chamber.
I
don't
know.
F
Aaron's
sister
could
care
less
about
what
she
does
on
Twitter,
but
I
do
care
what
goes
on
in
my
community
and
the
way
that
you
guys
handle
yourselves
in
this
freaking
chamber.
I
was
here
for
the
brawl
that
none
of
the
counselors
stepped
up
and
said
anything
to
to
Defuse
The
Situation
Mr
DeRosa.
No,
no!
It's
not
Mr
DeRosa
right
now.
It's
not
Mr
DeRosa,
because
you
know
you
haven't,
earned
my
respect.
F
You
haven't
done
anything
as
a
chair
of
this
committee.
You
need
to
learn
about
what
really
needs
to
be
done
in
the
city.
You
do
not
need
to
be
sitting
as
a
chair
of
a
committee
when
you're
ignorant
to
the
needs
of
the
community.
You
call
your
security
over
it
doesn't
matter,
but
the
truth
is
going
to
come
out
about
the
that
goes
on
in
this
freaking
chamber.
This
ain't,
the
end
of
it.
B
B
B
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
we
are
here
to
not
only
highlight
the
issues
that
are
happening
at
Clifford
Park,
but
that
our
hope
is
that,
as
a
committee
here,
we
can
make
some
recommendations
to
the
administration
of
what
happens
next,
and
so
please
tell
us
what
your
experience
has
been.
You've
been
down
there
doing
a
lot
of
work,
and
if
you
have
any
insight
to
what
you
would
like
to
see,
please
also
include
that
okay.
G
My
name
is
Milo
Murphy,
Smith
I'm,
a
resident
of
Shirley
Street
and
a
neighbor
to
Clifford
Park
I'm,
a
member
of
the
South
Bend
Roxbury
Community
Partnership,
and
also
the
neighborhood
representative
on
the
new
market,
business
Improvement
District
board
and
a
participant
on
the
Roxbury
prep
impact
Advisory
Group.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
testify
today.
G
The
closing
of
the
Long
Island
Bridge
and
the
centering
of
those
services
in
this
area
is
the
direct
and
proximate
cause
of
the
damage
to
Clifford
Park,
where
needles
drugs,
drug
paraphernalia
used
condoms
later
the
ground,
along
with
blood
urine
feces
and
vomit
in
2019,
there
were
meetings
about
rehabbing
Clifford.
At
the
same
time
as
the
discussions
for
the
improvements
to
the
Garvey
Park
over
in
Dorchester,
that
Park
was
not
only
planned
but
completed,
and
it's
beautiful
and
every
kid
should
have
a
park
like
that.
G
Clifford
has
had
its
2019
rehab
plan
scrapped
over
and
over.
Let's
be
real,
the
unspoken
undercurrent
for
why
nothing
has
been
done
in
Clifford
is
because
mastercast
has
not
been
sufficiently
addressed.
Dozens
of
other
products
have
been
rehabbed
since
2019.
announcements
are
all
over
social
media.
You
see
it
on
Facebook.
G
That's
what
children
are
seeing
on
the
field
in
Clifford
Park,
while
people
stand
around
and
wait
for
the
two
people
engaging
in
sex
to
finish
in
front
of
children.
This
park
is
a
lawless,
No,
Man's
Land,
not
just
the
users
but
plenty
of
others
push
the
envelope
on
what
is
allowed
to
occur.
There's
public
drinking
smoking,
Extremely,
Loud
Music
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
dogs
off
leashes,
pooping,
all
over
the
park
and
all
the
city
does-
is
post
another
sign
but
not
enforce
the
words
that
are
written
on.
G
It
there's
been
very
little
urgency
to
remediate
this
situation.
We
aren't
even
able
to
get
routine
police
presence
to
deter
these
activities.
Do
you
have
to
bring
gloves
in
an
empty
jar
to
your
local
park?
I
do
because
odds
are
high.
I
will
need
to
pick
up
something
disgusting
or
dangerous.
I
carry
Narcan
in
my
purse,
Everywhere
I
Go.
G
The
only
way
Clifford
Park
is
going
to
get
better
is,
if
someone
has
the
courage
to
put
a
halt
to
the
open
air
drug
Market
that
has
been
percolating
at
Mass,
Ave
and
melnucas
Boulevard
Clifford
Park
is
a
victim
of
the
opioid
crisis,
but
unlike
individuals,
it
can't
be
urged
into
treatment
or
section
35.
It
is
the
ultimate
victim
of
a
system
that
has
failed
the
black
and
brown
Community.
Yet
again
in
the
90s.
This
community
was
torn
apart
by
the
War
on
Drugs,
where
a
large-scale
arrest
and
incarcerate
was
the
norm.
G
There
was
no
mention
of
recovery
or
treatment.
That
method
was
ineffective.
What's
going
on
now
is
also.
The
tone
has
changed,
with
a
better
understanding
that
addiction
is
a
disease,
not
a
moral
failing,
but
again,
this
issue
is
centered
in
a
majority
black
and
brown
community
and
that
Community
Bears,
the
burden
of
society's
perception
of
who
is
to
blame.
We
are
victims,
too.
All
conversations
are
centered
on
the
user,
Community
omitting
that
residents
and
businesses
are
impacted
by
every
single
decision.
G
The
city
makes
that's
how
Clifford
park
has
come
to
be
in
the
state
that
it's
in
today
best
and
cast
does
not
exist
in
a
vacuum.
Neighbors
have
no
recourse
and
no
financial
assistance
when
their
property
is
stolen,
they
can't
afford
to
replace
it
like
bicycles
or
patio
cushions
or
the
vehicles
are
damaged,
and
then
their
insurance
premiums
increase.
As
a
result,
no
one
thinks
of
that
or
of
us
shopping
is
now
a
customer
hostile
situation
due
to
retail
theft,
fences
wrap
around
everything.
G
You
can't
use
a
restroom
in
South
Bay,
most
hours
of
the
day.
Our
park
is
no
longer
the
welcome
Green
Space.
It
used
to
be
how
much
more
is
Roxbury
going
to
be
asked
to
shoulder.
So
more
affluent
zip
codes
can
pretend
this
is
not
also
their
problem.
A
current
counselor
told
the
southern
Roxbury
Community
Community
Partnership
that
this
was
not
his
district.
So
what
were
we
looking
to
him
for
help
for
what
happened
to
one
Boston,
or
is
that
just
a
convenient
hashtag
for
happy
things
like
parties?
G
What
is
being
normalized
for
roxbury's
kids,
that
drug
users
have
more
rights
to
the
park
than
kids?
Do
that
actions
have
no
consequences,
our
accountability
doesn't
exist.
So
what
do
we
want
for
Clifford
Park
police
patrols
routinely
infrequently
zero
tolerance
for
tents,
public
camping,
drug
use
and
drug
sales
in
Clifford
Park
clean
both
the
playground
spaces
in
Clifford
Park,
frequently
daily,
if
necessary,
users
sleep
on
as
well
as
engage
in
sex
on
the
playground.
G
Structures
return
the
benches
to
the
top
lot,
because
drug
users
are
just
using
the
playground
equipment
anyway,
all
of
Clifford
needs
weeding
mowing
edging
without
waiting
till
it's
overgrown
or
someone
calls
3-1-1,
but
especially
around
the
benches,
at
the
baseball
diamond
on
Norfolk
Avenue
and
at
the
bleachers
at
the
diamonds
near
Shirley,
Street,
the
leaves
around
the
tennis
court
and
in
the
two
playground.
Spaces
need
to
be
removed,
not
just
Leaf
blown
into
piles.
This
ground
cover
hides
needles,
glass
and
other
dangers.
All
of
this
needs
to
be
ongoing.
G
Routine
maintenance,
not
just
a
once
and
done
event.
We
need
help
from
the
Commonwealth
and
the
federal
government.
There
have
been
several
significant
settlements
from
Big
Pharma
and
the
wealthy
families
who
are
well
invested
there.
Some
of
those
funds
should
be
made
immediately
available
to
begin
the
healing
and
renovating
of
Clifford
Park.
This
primarily
black
and
brown
Community
should
not
be
used
as
Boston's
Dumping
Ground
for
things
other
neighborhoods
don't
want
and
have
the
political
capital
and
clout
to
shout
down.
G
B
B
H
I
am
here
in
my
role
and
also
because
I
live
in
walking
distance
from
to
Clifford
Park
I
work
across
the
street
from
Clifford
Park
and
because
on
my
walk
to
and
from
work,
I
can
attest
to
many
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
people
say
directly.
I
too
have
happen
upon
people
in
the
middle
of
an
act
and
and
sort
of
said,
wow.
Okay,
that's
what
is
happening
in
this
moment.
H
I
shop
at
Target,
I
shop
at
Stop
and
Shop
I
see
people
walking
out
with
bags
full
of
stuff
that
I
know.
We
will
find
on
the
street
and
I
appreciate
that
you
rather
mentioned
the
war
on
drugs,
because
I
lived
through
that
I
saw
the
difference
in
how
that
was
executed.
I
visited
family
and
friends
at
Concord,
Shirley,
Bridgewater,
Nashua
and
South
Bay,
all
because
of
the
War
on
Drugs
and
I
do
feel
attention
because
I
also
grew
up
in
harm
reduction.
H
H
That
being
said,
we
are
not
where
we
need
to
be.
I
am
hoping
that,
in
this
conversation,
well,
we
can
really
focus
on
is
where
do
we
want
to
go?
There
are
some
specific
things
that
have
been
raised
about
the
renovation
process.
Some
challenges
gate,
no
gate.
How
do
people
get
in
if
we
gave
do
we
want
to
raise
the
fence
higher?
H
H
I
also
think
there
are
things
where
I've
been
in
multiple
meetings,
where
I'm
not
sure
we
have
good
or
easy
solutions.
So
we
are
open
we're
open
to
trying
some
new
things.
As
was
mentioned,
we
took
the
benches
out
because
we
thought
it
would
improve
things.
It
only
made
things
worse
and
so
I
do
I
would
I
do
think
it
would
help
to
acknowledge
that
more
could
have
been
done
earlier.
H
So
you'll
hear
from
a
number
of
different
colleagues
talk
specifically
about
what
they're
doing,
but
I
am
definitely
interested
in
a
deeper
conversation,
particularly
about
places
where
we've
made
changes
and
they
haven't
worked
out.
What
is
our
next
approach
to
your
point?
Marla
I'm,
willing
to
see
if
we
should
just
put
the
benches
back
that
you
know.
H
B
I
I
There
is
an
RFQ,
a
request
for
qualifications
out
right
now
for
design
firms
to
apply
for
the
redesign
of
Clifford
Park.
We're
gracious
that
the
council
voted
to
support,
giving
design
funds
in
this
past
fiscal
year,
23
budget.
So
we
will
start
that
Community
process
for
the
design.
Once
we
pick
the
qualified
designer
through
the
process
and
we'll
start,
those
Community
meetings
have
robust
Community
conversations.
What
sports
should
be
there,
what
kinds
of
materials
what
kinds
of
fields
Etc
at
the
park?
I
And
we
anticipate
that
process
to
start
late
winter
in
through
the
spring,
with
the
community
process
we're
looking
at
measures
as
the
chief
mentioned
of
adding
some
gates
in
some
certain
areas
that
seem
to
be
areas
where
they
have
more
negative
activity
in
the
park
and
make
sure
that
it's
open
for
the
community
to
come
in
from
the
norfolk's
drive
from
the
Shirley
Street
side.
Still
from
Mass
Ave
side
by
liquorland
side,
but
looking
at
Gates
on
the
Proctor
Street
side,
where
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
negative
activity
in
that
place.
J
J
This
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
effort
and
it's
going
to
take
a
number
of
efforts
that
I
want
to
list
and
the
first
one
is
coordination
and
collaboration,
both
internal,
which
is
what
I'm
in
charge
of
and
an
ongoing
effort
that
we
have
every
day.
But
the
collaboration
is
also
with
folks,
like
you,
Marla
Domingos,
jahaira,
Leon
and
everyone.
J
So
I
wanted
to
thank
the
community
for
their
stewardship
of
the
park
and
it's
the
first
thing
that
that's
going
to
take
now
other
efforts
that
it's
going
to
take
and
that
I'm
personally
and
I
know
I
speak
on
behalf
of
team
members
that
were
always
going
to
be
offering
is,
is
the
following:
an
effort
to
be
responsive.
We
want
to
be
in
constant
communication
and
have
done
our
best
effort
to
always
take
this
kind
of
input
and
implement
it.
As
you
said,
try
new
things,
because
the
answers
are
not
easy.
We're
gonna
have.
J
We
have
been
offering
an
effort
to
be
present
physically
in
the
park.
My
colleagues
will
detail
who
at
what
time
and
for
what,
but
we
do
have
a
daily
ongoing
presence
of
many
teams
and
that's
going
to
continue
or
continue
to
offer
for
it
an
effort
to
be
transparent
and
effort
to
transparently
say,
as
you
just
said,
hey
we
tried
this.
It
didn't
work.
Let's
go
on
to
the
next
thing.
J
We
really
do
share
that
concern
and
really
do
believe
that
I
wanted
to
also
note
that
Equity
is
a
focus
of
ours
and
the
points
you
touched
on
Marla
about
a
neighborhood
disproportionately
bearing
a
burden
of
a
city-wide
region-wide
National
challenge
is
something
that
we
take
a
lot
of
in
into
account
and
it's
something
that
we're
putting
a
lot
of
work
to
and
resources
into
this
park.
So
again
appreciating
the
community's
stewardship
just
to
detail
on
a
little
more
specifics,
the
teams
that
are
active
at
the
park.
J
All
of
these
organizations
have
to
work
together
on
a
daily
basis.
It's
my
job
to
make
sure
that
communication
happens.
If
anything
ever
goes
wrong,
please
I
want
to
be
responsive,
I'll
just
say
a
word
or
two
about
the
city's
General
approach
to
the
Public
Health
crisis
that
we're
facing
at
massimcast
just
to
provide
some
context
and
information.
J
If
people
want
to
follow
up
on
and
then
I'll
I'll,
let
my
colleagues
speak
about
their
own
work,
but
I
wanted
to
make
a
note
that
we
are
sharing
ongoing,
up-to-date
stats
about
the
number
of
people
present
about
the
number
of
people
going
into
treatment.
The
number
of
people
being
housed
in
low
threshold
housing,
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
All
of
the
different
components
of
our
response
in
our
public
dashboard,
that's
available
at
boston.gov,
mass
and
cast
you
can
check
it
every
week.
J
You'll
see
the
information
so
that
you're
up
to
speed
on
what
the
situation
is
I
do
want
to
know.
Many
people
are
coming
to
the
area
and
they
are
receiving
services
and
each
person
with
this
population
is
going
to
have
unique
needs.
That
is
the
nature
of
substance,
use
disorder
and
mental
health
challenges
and
other
challenges
that
they're
facing,
and
so
the
city
is
trying
to
tailor
that
so
that
each
person
can
be
successful
in
their
own
journey
and
working
constantly
to
connect
them.
J
K
Sure,
good
morning,
chairperson
Laura
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Jennifer
Tracy
I'm,
the
director
of
The
Office
of
Recovery
Services
at
the
Boston
Public
Health.
Commission
I,
want
to
take
this
time
today
to
speak
about
the
work
of
Recovery
Services
doing
in
and
around
Clifford
Park.
As
you
know,
we
have
a
large
footprint
in
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
our
efforts
newer
efforts
to
expand
access
to
substance
use
across
Boston
neighborhoods.
K
We
know
that
discarded
syringes
at
Clifford
Park
are
a
matter
of
grave
concern
and
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission
takes
the
issue
of
needle
disposal
very
seriously.
We
have
worked
to
build
a
comprehensive
approach
for
addressing
needle
disposal
in
the
city
that
is
an
integral
part
of
our
harm
reduction
infrastructure.
In
the
fiscal
year
2022
we
took
in
189
more
syringes
than
we
gave
out.
The
commission
through
our
ahope
access
harm
reduction,
overdose
prevention
and
education
program
does
run
one
of
the
busiest
and
longest
standing
drug
user
health
programs
in
the
state.
K
A
Hope
plays
an
important
role
in
preventing
sharks
from
being
inappropriately
discarded
and
at
the
drop-in
site
alone
they
have
collected
over
650
000
syringes.
We
work
with
clients
and
drug
users
to
help
them
understand
the
importance
of
safe
needle
disposal.
We
provide
personal
biohazard
containers
that
can
be
returned
to
us
at
any
of
our
locations
or
dropped
off
at
a
Sharps
kiosk.
We've
continued
to
increase
the
needle
kiosks
across
the
city
and
implemented
the
community.
Syringe
Redemption
program
started
in
December
of
2020
providing
stipends
to
people
for
collecting
syringes.
K
The
program
currently
serves
the
new
market
Nubian
and
downtown
neighborhoods,
and
in
fiscal
2022
it
collected
over
1
million
syringes.
The
mobile
Sharps
team
started
in
2014
expanded
in
2017
and
expanding
now.
In
addition
to
the
team,
the
entire
staff
is
trained
on
needle
pickup,
including
the
Outreach
team
and
other
staff
members.
Our
staff
do
proactive
sweeps
in
high
areas
with
high
volume,
public
drug
use
like
Clifford
Park,
specifically
Orchard
Garden
School
Mason
efforts
are
continuously
monitored
and
adjusted
to
respond
to
target
areas
of
particular
need.
K
The
sharpstein
prioritizes
needle
pickup
calls
and
parks
and
school
yards,
and
we
routinely
conduct
Outreach
in
Boston
neighborhoods
to
collect
improperly
discarded
syringes
across
the
city.
Clifford
Park
is
a
priority
site
and
is
proactively
swept
at
6
30
a.m,
10
30
a.m
and
5
p.m
daily
by
our
team.
In
addition
to
the
other
sweeps
that
Sue
Sullivan
mentioned
with
the
cleaning
crew
and
Tanya
and
her
her
team
are
doing
as
well.
K
Our
Outreach
team
in
the
neighborhood
also
canvases
the
area
prioritizing
High
need
areas.
The
team
engages
with
individuals
on
the
street
transporting
them
by
van
or
walking
to
area
services,
responding
to
overdoses
in
the
area,
collecting,
surigence
and
directly,
coordinating
with
the
city,
team,
homeless,
shelters
and
other
community
providers.
K
We
recognize,
though,
that
sites
like
Clifford
Park
have
seen
a
disproportionate
impact
from
substance
use,
disorder
issues
in
response,
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
Public
Health
commission
have
made
a
number
of
recent
Investments
and
initiatives.
Expanding
access
to
substance,
use
services
and
Recovery
supports
across
Boston
neighborhoods.
K
Another
initiative
that
expands
services
to
neighborhoods
across
the
city
is
the
creation
of
neighborhood
engagement
teams,
which
was
piloted
in
Nubian
Square
this
past
year
and
will
continue
in
Nubian
Square,
engaging
individuals
experiencing
substance,
use
and
housing
issues
and
referring
them
to
services
and
interacting
with
local
businesses.
The
teams
will
be
led
by
Torchlight
Recovery,
Group
and
Nubian
square
and
East
Boston
Community
Health
Center
in
East
Boston.
K
B
L
On
Council
Laura
thank
you,
I'm
Dennis
coghaman,
the
captain
of
District
B2,
with
Boston
police.
Thank
you,
councilor,
Murphy
and
councilor
Baker
for
having
us
here
and
today
on
Clifford
Park.
It's
clearly
an
emotional
and
passionate
issue
in
the
neighborhood
I
know:
there's
a
lot
of
concern
residents
and
business
owners
in
the
area
that
would
like
to
see
progress
down
there.
So
it's
great
that
we're
having
this
hearing
today
and
having
an
opportunity
to
share
thoughts
and
and
listen
to
people
that
have
have
good
stuff
to
say
about
it.
L
L
We
also
provide
visibility
and
a
deterrence
when
people
see
the
police
officers
down
there
and
then
the
third
thing
we
do
is
we're
providing
support
to
our
partners
from
public
health
in
the
parks
department,
while
they
conduct
their
roles
down
there.
We
do
this
through
several
methods
we're
down
there.
We
assist
in
the
morning
at
6
30,
with
their
cleanup
of
the
park,
the
Department
of
Public
Health,
with
Tanya
Del,
Rio
and
Michael
and
east
team.
L
They
they've
been
they've,
been
pretty
helpful.
I've
found
the
relationship
that
we've
had
over
the
last
several
months
to
be
very
helpful
with
us
coordinating
efforts,
Tanya's
great
listening
to
calls
I
think
that
has
helped
over
the
last
few
months,
us
to
Make
a
Better,
Effort
I'm,
not
going
to
say
it's
perfect,
I
think
it's
far
from
perfect,
but
we
continue
to
strive
to
make
it
better
and
thank
you
Tanya,
so
I'm,
sorry.
F
I
got
tons
of
videos,
but
y'all
can
fluff
the
fluff
all
y'all
want.
You
know
people
watch
this
happen
season.
We
see
the
truth
with
the
beat
two
response
from
the
police
station
why
these
kids
are
trying
to
practice
and
people
are
shooting
up
in
front
of
them
having
sex
and
the
officer's
responses.
We.
L
So,
actually
to
his
point,
obviously
Public
Safety
is
first
and
foremost,
that
being
said
that
the
Public
Health
crisis,
that's
in
the
city,
we've
tried
to
prioritize
I.
Think
we've
mentioned
how
drug
addiction
and
and
drug
sales
have
been
dealt
with
in
the
past,
which
was
the
90s.
We
found
that
incarceration
may
not
be
the
best
way
to
handle
this
there's
a
new
model,
which
is
a
public
health
approach,
and
that's
the
approach
that
we've
been
trying
to
support
I.
L
Think
we've
been
doing
an
okay
job,
I
would
I
would
agree,
we
could
do
better,
but
that
being
said,
I
don't
think
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
arrest
our
way
out
of
this
issue.
So
we've
been
trying
to
walk
a
delicate
line,
whether
it's
a
a
crime,
that's
worthy
of
being
arrested
for
or
a
crime
that
someone
might
actually
need
services
for
and
and
that's
the
problem
we
get
the
police
get
caught
in
the
issue
of.
L
We
should
do
something
when
people
want
a
certain
crime
charged
in
a
certain
place
and
that
same
may
not
be
dealt
with
or
have
the
same
belief
somewhere
else.
So
it
would
walk
in
a
delicate
line
of
our
police
and
model
and
it's
a
very
challenging
time
and
it's
clearly
a
challenging
issue
down
there,
particularly
around
the
park,
because
the
model
is
a
Public
Health
crisis
and
that's
and
that's
how
we've
been
dealing
with
quality
of
life
crimes.
L
That
said,
we
so
the
district
level
is
built
to
answer
Radio
Calls
and
to
provide
visibility
in
the
area.
We've
also
reached
out
to
some
of
our
internal
police
Partners
to
help
us
out
down
there
and
those
aren't
necessarily
the
things
that
you
see
all
the
time,
but
but
they
are
and
I
promise
you
they
are
going
on
down
there.
L
Lieutenant
Messina
and
the
street
Outreach
team
is
clearly
the
most
visible
and
the
most
active
Boston
police
presence
down
there,
and
he
can
speak
to
what
his
unit
does,
but
we
also
have
had
human
trafficking
their
unit
down
there
with
Sergeant
Mark
Sullivan
who's
in
charge
of
that
they
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
down
there.
We
have
several
drug
control
units
throughout
the
city,
the
district
B2,
who
are
assigned
it
in
Roxbury.
L
They
spend
time
down
there,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
city-wide
units
that
are
available
and
they've
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
down
there.
We
also
have
our
our
bike
unit.
They
spend
time
down
there
I'm
trying
to
get
to
somebody
else.
Oh
and
the
youth
violence
Strike
Force,
so
this
is
other
resources
from
the
police
department
that
are
available
and
they
spend
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
down
there.
B
B
There
is
public
testimony
when
you
give
public
testimony.
You
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
Who
is
on
the
panel
and
who
speaks
on
this
floor
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair,
which
is
me
if
you
have
a
question,
you
ask
the
question
through
the
chair,
which
is
me:
this
is
not
a
place
for
a
back
and
forth
between
people
who
are
here
watching
or
between
the
panelists.
That
is
the
structure
of
a
hearing.
B
If
you
want
to
have
a
back
and
forth
conversation,
then
the
actual
structure
for
that
is
a
community
meeting
that
people
can
attend
where
you
can
have
a
conversation.
This
is
a
hearing.
We
are
hearing
from
community
members
who
are
on
the
panel
and
we
are
hearing
from
the
administration
about
what
they're
doing
it
will
be
followed
by
questions
from
the
counselors,
and
then
we
will
have
more
time
for
public
testimony.
M
No
I
gotta.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
It's
a
great
seal
audience
today.
Thank
you
city
council,
for
having
us
here
and
allowing
this
testimony
this
morning.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
provide
you
with
a
quick
overview
of
what
the
street
Outreach
unit
does,
how
many
officers
we
have
and
what
we
do
down
in
Clipper
Park
this
morning.
M
The
mission
of
the
unit
out
street
Outreach
unit
is
to
promote
community-based
Outreach
through
Partnerships
collaboration,
collaboration
to
those
affected
by
mental
illness,
substance
use
disorder
and
homelessness
in
a
professional,
Humane
and
supportive
manner.
The
unit
aims
to
connect
those
individuals
to
Services
prior
to
them
engaging
in
criminal
activity.
M
M
M
We
are
fortunate
to
have
a
great
relationship
and
be
part
members
of
the
coordinated
Response
Team
with
Tanya
Del,
Rio
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
here
at
this
table.
We
are
collaborating
daily
at
8
45
in
the
morning
on
these
calls.
So
if
any
issues
come
up
overnight
or
whenever
in
Clifford
Park,
we
are
discussing
those
issues
and
allocating
resources
to
those
issues.
M
Each
day,
the
day
tours
like
I
said,
watch
the
park
to
make
sure
there's
no
needles,
there's
no
trash
there,
and
if
there
are,
we
call
them
in
my
evening
shift.
We
make
sure
that
the
evening
shift
is
out
there
at
four
o'clock
between
four
and
five
o'clock,
showing
visibility,
engaging
any
individuals
out
there
and
at
the
close
of
shift
to
make
sure
there's
no
one
preparing
to
sleep
in
the
park
or
sitting
up
in
the
park
we
are
I
know.
M
B
You
so
much
I
am
one.
Second
I
am
going
to
pass
it
over
to
the
council
for
a
couple
of
rounds
of
questions.
I
am
going
to
start
with
the
lead
sponsors
of
this
hearing
order,
which
is
councilor,
Murphy
and
counselor
Frank
Baker,
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
the
rest
of
the
council
in
the
order
of
arrival.
I
also
want
to
clarify
Miss
Marla
that
that
statement
was
not
for
you.
You
are
a
panelist
on
the
floor
and
if
you
want
to
speak,
you
just
have
to
press
your
button.
B
J
Can
you
hear
me
there
you
go
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
restate
that
we
do
have
an
ongoing
police
and
public
health
Presence
at
the
park
and
that
the
approach
is
a
balance
of
the
two.
We
have
to
provide
Public
Safety
for
the
community
and
for
everyone
that
frequents
the
park,
and
we
have
to
lead
with
public
health
as
an
answer
for
people
who
are
struggling
with
substance
use
and
mental
health,
because
that's
what
the
evidence
has
shown
that
works.
J
B
N
N
Large
amounts
of
trash
can
scatter
the
park
at
any
day
during
any
part
of
the
day
and
as
I
know,
when
many
of
the
people
in
this
room
know
that
that
trash
includes
drug
paraphernalia,
the
needles,
condoms,
feminine
products
and
even
human
feces
needles
hide
in
the
mulch
which
make
it
almost
impossible
to
find.
All
of
them,
even
though
I
do
know
there
are
many
people
out
there.
Many
different
departments
doing
sweeps
and
picking
up
as
many
as
they
can.
N
One
thing
we
learned
from
covid
is
the
value
of
open
space
for
our
health
and
wellness,
especially
for
our
children.
It's
extremely
upsetting
to
hear
that
a
nine-year-old
boy
who
was
playing
football
at
the
park
was
pricked
by
a
needle.
We
know
that
this
park
is
critical
for
the
community
and
the
students
nearby
the
Mason
school
is
there.
N
On
the
first
day
of
school,
I
was
near
the
park
and
I
did
see
the
kids
come
across
the
street
and
play
in
the
park,
that's
closest
to
Smith
Street,
and
it
was
great
to
see-
and
we
heard
from
Roxbury
prep,
it's
exciting
that
we
have
the
high
school
coming.
So
we're
also
going
to
have
high
school
students,
hopefully
playing
High
School
sports
in
that
Park.
This
hearing
order
is
not
to
blame.
N
So
knowing
that
the
current
condition
at
Clifford
Park
is
a
disservice
to
our
residents.
Last
month,
people
in
Roxbury
unofficially
closed
Clifford
park.
It
brought
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
park.
I
know
that
they
felt
that
they
needed
to
do
something
extreme,
even
though
you
know,
day
in
and
day
out
that
you're
addressing
the
issues
there,
the
residents
feel
like
they're
not
being
heard
so
me
as
a
city,
councilor
and
others
here.
I
know.
N
We
talk
a
lot
about
making
sure
that
we
remember
our
job
is
to
present,
represent
the
citizens
and
make
sure
that
they
have
a
voice
here
in
City
Hall
to
be
able
to
talk
and
listen
to
what
departments
are
doing.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
before
I
turn
it
over
to
my
other
counselors
for
questions
that
my
objective
for
this
hearing
has
been
and
continues
to
be,
to
hear
from
local
constituents.
N
Community
leaders
in
the
public
about
their
experiences
in
the
park,
if
I'm
there
one
day
driving
through,
like
you,
said
doctor
that
you
go
through
that
Park
Reverend
I'm.
Sorry,
you
know
walking
through
you
have
seen
things
happen
as
a
resident
near
that
Park
to
listen
to
City
officials,
who
are
here
with
us
today
and
to
hear
directly
from
them
what
they
are
doing
and
to
adjust
that
plan,
if
needed,
to
bring
more
attention
and
services
to
this
park.
N
So
we
restore
an
equitable
and
safe
place
for
the
residents
in
Roxbury
in
any
other
resident
in
the
city
who's
there
and
I
hope
that
this
hearing
will
continue
to
will
be
able
to
continue
to
collaborate
and
to
prevent
any
further
problems
like
Clifford
Park,
as
we
know
that
the
issues
that
we
see
at
mass
and
cast
are
spreading
I
think
any
District
councilor
or
at
Large
counselor
in
this
space
now
could
talk
about
a
park
near
their
neighborhood
near
their
home.
That
is
starting
to
see
some
of
the
same
concerns
they
have.
O
Adam,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I.
Just
have
to
say
you
go
girl,
good
job
in
raining
that
in
good
job.
So
a
couple
things
here,
I
we
talk
about
the
public
health
and
the
public
safety
thing
and
we're
focused
on
the
public
health
approach.
I
think
our
approach
that
we're
taking
Now
is
not
working,
I,
think
it's
too
heavy
Public,
Health
I
think
that
I'm
all
about
Second
Chance
third
chance
we're
talking
about
50th
chance
down
there
60th
chance
down
there.
O
O
Actually
sectioned
people
in
my
family
back
when
you
went
to
Bridgewater
and
the
screws
beat
you
up
in
there
I
did
it
didn't
older
sister,
older
brother
people
in
my
family
that
isn't
what
it
is
that
isn't
what
it
is
now
until
we
change
the
way
we
are
operating,
we're
basically
setting
up
mass
and
cast
for
a
five
year
long
hospice.
Everyone
down
there
if
we
view
them
as
their
own
hospice,
what
people
are
going
through
cancer
when
they're
at
end
of
life,
we
shoot
them
with
morphine
and
they
we
slow
them.
O
We
slowly
put
them
on
the
other
side.
That's
what
we
do.
How
is
it
different
near
here?
How
do
we
take
the
the
tents
off
the
street
put
them
in
the
in
the
roundhouse
hotel?
If
nothing
changes,
nothing
changes.
How
do
we
think
something's
going
to
change?
It's
not
going
to
change
unless
we,
unless
we
come
up
with
rail,
planned
satellite
courthouse
real
section,
35
rails
rail,
section,
12
beds,
we
have
Nashua
Street
half
empty,
we
have
South
Bay
half
empty.
We
could
come
up
with
one
of
those
buildings.
O
I
would
like
to
see
it
at
Nashville,
Street,
totally
done
over
as
a
as
a
facility.
That's
rented
out
Suffolk
County
rents
it
out
to
dph
State.
They
operated
as
a
section
35
section
12
operation.
Where
now,
when
you
get
someone
thinking
somewhat
clearly
after,
if
someone's
shooting
poison
in
their
veins
for
10
12
20
years,
what
makes
us
think
that
they
can
make
decisions
that
are
best
for
them
in
their
lives?
Yes,
it
may
be.
Yes,
it
may
be
tough
love,
but
to
some
degree
we
have
to
stop
with
the
coddling.
O
We
have
to
do
some
tough
love,
but
I
would
think
that
if
we
had
real
program
set
up
real
programming
setup
where
people
could
go
and
even
self-check
one
of
the
things
that's
happening
when
we're
not
bringing
people
into
the
courthouses
we're
not
looking
to
arrest
everybody,
but
we're
looking
to
divert
people
into
treatment.
We're
not
diverting
anybody
in
treatment,
because
you're
allowed
to
do
what
you
want
and
as
far
as
it
tents
are
concerned.
O
In
my
opinion,
that
was
a
concerted
effort,
a
concerted
effort
on
a
pot
of
who
knows
to
come
down
there
and
set
those
tents
up.
They
all
happened
on
right
across
from
from
112
in
front
of
the
Fire
Department
headquarters,
which
is
a
whole
nother
can
of
worms.
We
send
our
our
employees
at
the
fire
department
in
a
1010
Mass
into
Harm's
Way
every
day,
that's
not
even
talking
about
the
Mason
school
and
the
other
schools
that
are
around
there.
O
What's
in
your
District
Orchard
Gardens.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
we
are
unable.
We
are
unable
to
take
control
of
this
situation,
we're
following
the
lead
of
other
cities.
San
Francisco
L.A
I'd
like
to
get
an
answer
of
how
much
we've
spent
in
just
The
Roundhouse
how
many
millions
of
dollars
have
we
spent
in
The
Roundhouse
to
take
care
of
how
many
people
200
people,
200
people
and
I'm
offended,
because
we
have
now
the
clarity
pool
the
other
day
needs
30
million
dollars.
O
Grove
Hall
is
going
to
need
30
million
dollars
for
their
Community
Center
I
had
a
formal
ask
for
a
for
a
for
a
new
Boys
and
Girls
Club.
That
would
help
to
speak
to
these
societal
ills
before
they
end
up
on
on
the
street
before
they
end
up
on
drugs.
This
problem
isn't
going
away.
It
isn't
getting
any
better
and
as
long
as
we
allow
and
we
and
we
and
we
reward
poor
behaviors
we're
on
this
treadmill-
That
We're
Not,
Gonna
We're,
not
gonna
get
off.
So
we
want
to
get
very
simple.
O
Do
we
want
to
get
needles
out
of
Clifford
Park?
Are
your
Outreach
work
is
handing
needles
to
people
in
Clifford
park.
There
has
to
be
places
that
our
community
places
and
it's
not
just
Clifford
Park.
If
you
go
up
to
Columbia
Road
at
the
at
the
pier
statue,
there,
Blake
house
historic
house,
a
very
fir,
the
oldest
house
in
Boston
homeless,
all
over
the
place
shooting
up
there,
shooting
up
there
having
sex
there
using
the
whole
place
as
a
as
a
bathroom.
That's
in
Andrew
Square,
that's
in
Dudley
square.
O
O
O
Has
there
been
any
movement
on
the
coordinated
response
through
the
bid?
Now
the
bid
happened
in
part
through
my
office,
the
shops
team
impot
through
my
office
direct
directly,
advocating
across
the
hall
with
the
mayor,
to
set
up
the
shops
team,
because
before
that
team
was
open
before
that
team
was
in
place,
you
called
3-1-1
and
you'd
get
a
fire.
A
fire
truck.
Can
an
ambulance.
There
talk
about
ways
to
city
services,
directly
out
of
directly
out
of
my
my
office,
the
bid
directly
out
of
my
office,
the
stands
with
help
from
Ryan
and
Chris.
O
C
O
Finished
yet
buddy
I'm
not
saying
that
the
city
departments
aren't
doing
their
work.
Public
Works
is
down
there
constantly
whole
dumpsters
full
of
trash
garbage,
because
people
that
don't
know
the
problem
of
coming
in
and
feeding
people
and
giving
them
more
clothes
and,
like
you're
homeless.
How
do
you
generate
so
much
trash?
How
do
you
have
so
many
clothes
I
know,
maybe
that's
being
a
little
a
little
mean
or
a
little
rough.
But
at
what
point
are
we
gonna
stop
and
get
real
with
this?
O
Let's
set
up
section:
35
programs,
rail,
section,
35
programs
that
aren't
about
just
locking
people
up
and
throwing
away
we're
in
2022.
Now
a
lot
of
things
are
being
done
differently.
We
know
that
mental
health
is
going
to
be.
Is
the
number
one
problem
in
our
society
right
now
from
little
kids
to
older
people
through
the
whole
through
all
of
our
Generations,
and
we
allow
this
to
continue
to
happen.
O
Budgetarily
speaking,
I'd
like
to
get
a
number
of
where
we
are
with
roundhouse
and
all
the
other
hotels,
now
we're
going
into
neighborhoods
and
communities
and
saying
well,
we
think
that
this
is
the
way.
So
we
want
to
set
up
a
hotel
in
your
neighborhoods
all
around
the
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
set
them
up,
but
the
city
can't
give
a
surety
that
they're
not
going
to
take
people
out
of
a
tent
and
right
into
those
hotels,
which
is
what
they
did
at
The
Roundhouse,
which
is
what
they
did
at
The
Roundhouse
wrong
wrong.
O
We
need
to
intervention
and
treatment
first
and
then
we'll
start
talking
about
where
we,
what
hotels
we
put
you
in.
As
far
as
the
the
the
plan
for
for
Clifford,
it
was
a
public
private
partnership
that
was
generated
through
through
the
the
base,
we're
gonna
we're
looking
to,
because
when
you
bring
private
money
in
the
public,
we
can
get
things
done
done
quicker.
O
The
person
that
was
the
funder.
There
was
a
little
bit
difficult,
they
were
heavy
on
baseball
and
they
wanted
to
put
a
fence
around
the
entire
property.
I
wasn't
in
favor
of
the
fence
but
I'm
starting
to
wonder
now.
Should
we
put
a
fence
there
and
then
the
Mason
School
gets
a
key
and
then
the
and
then
the
the
the
Roxbury
prep
gets
a
p
a
key
and
what
they
do
in
San.
Francisco
I
wouldn't
follow
anything
that
they
do,
but
one
of
the
things
they
do.
They
have
a
a
a
coordinated
response
team.
O
That's
in
their
own
space
that
that
so
people
go
out
and
respond
from
a
centralized
location.
We
have
the
spaces,
we
can
do
it,
it's
something
we
could
something
we
could
do.
They
put
fences
around
there
and
the
people
that
are
formally
on
the
street
and
formally
incarcerated
have
a
key
that
work
for
the
bid.
B
You
councilor
Baker
and
just
to
be
clear
for
the
record.
You
have
questions
around
for
the
administration
around
how
much
is
being
spent
for
on
the
on
the
roundhouse
I.
Don't
know
if
somebody
can
answer
that
in
terms
of
I.
I
would
also
like
to
hear
just
about
kind
of
like
the
progress
for
that,
because
it
was
a
project.
I
I
have
a
hotel
in
my
district
as
well,
where
we
have
people
there
so
just
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about.
That
is
that
it
that's
the
yes.
O
O
They
said
well,
these
are
people
that
are
further
along
in
their
experience
with
Pine
Street,
meaning
they're
the
closest
to
and
the
most
healthy
towards
getting
into
a
home
and
being
able
to
sustain
themselves
in
a
home,
175
people
that
was
Pine
Street
Early
in
and
then,
when
it
turned
into
what
it
is
now
it
was
going
to
be
six
months
we
need
to
get
through.
We
need
to
get
through
the
winter.
O
Then
then,
now
in
the
mou,
which
we
can't
get
a
straight
answer
out
of
anybody
on
is
it
was
a
one-year
renewal,
a
two-year
renewal
and
then
an
option
to
buy
if
that
place
is
bought
and
is
continue
to
operate
the
way
it
operates,
then
goodbye
all
the
pop
goodbye
to
that
park
down
there
and
the
schools
are
always
going
to
be
talking
about
what
we're
talking
about
now,
if
nothing
changes,
nothing
changes.
Thank
you.
B
J
J
I,
don't
have
too
many
updates
to
bring
on
that
one,
except
for
we
have
committed
funding
for
fiscal
year
23
through
the
end
of
fiscal
year,
23.
So
that's
June
of
next
year
and
we
are
actively
looking
for
new
sites
so
that
we
could
decentralize
and
make
sure
this
low
threshold
housing
is
available.
Citywide
I.
J
I
did
want
to
add
to
that
just
a
little
bit
around
the
results
for
these
sites
and
one
second
yeah
just
respectfully
disagree
about
their
effectiveness.
I
think
they
are
a
wonderful
resource
that
is
really
helping.
People
get
back
on
their
feet,
so
I
did
want
to
provide
some
information
about
that.
We
currently
are
housing,
185
people
at
the
six
low
threshold
sites
for
context
we
on
this
week
and
average
have
had
179
people
between
140,
8
and
179
people
present
any
day
on
the
street.
We
currently
have
185
in
the
low
threshold
housing
sites.
J
Their
state
is
long
because
it
takes
a
long
time
to
stabilize
after
being
in
active
Youth
and,
as
we
said,
a
lot
of
times,
they're
co-occurring
mental
health
challenges
that
people
are
facing,
but
we
have
placed
50
62
people
so
far
in
permanent
housing
from
those
sites.
I
do
also
want
to
share
some
treatment
and
other
numbers
from
the
sites.
As
of
August.
This
is
the
latest
figure.
I
have
49
percent
of
the
residents.
There
are
actively
engaged
in
substance
use
disorder,
treatment
through
medication
and
35
are
receiving
non-medication
treatment.
J
65
64
percent
of
their
residents
are
receiving
primary
medical
care,
which
and
many
times
they
didn't
they
didn't
have
before
and
30
are
engaged
in
mental
health
care,
which
is
a
great
progress
for
them
and
as
of
September
22,
that's
the
most
updated
figure.
I
have
90
of
the
people
on
the
sites
have
engaged
with
a
housing.
B
O
Yeah
one
more
question,
quick
follow-up
question,
so
you
had
seven
million
for
for
a
yearly
operational
Bill
budget,
5
million
on
on
the
medical.
What
was
the
initial?
What
was
the
initial
going
in
there?
So
that's
a
that's
a
yearly
you're
it
in
there
it's
going
to
cost
us
7
million.
What
was
our
cost?
The
city
of
Boston's
cost
going
in
there
when
we
first
went
in
there
and
again
at
12
million
185
in
six
sites,
we're
only
talking
about
12
million
for
that
one
site,
there's
six
sites.
O
O
If
we,
if
we,
if
we
were
invested
in
our
children,
that
way
instead
of
people
that
are
coming
in
and
misbehaving
on
our
streets
and
Tanya,
Tanya
I
respectfully
disagree
with
you
too,
and
if
I'm
coming
off
hot
I
I
am
hot
I
apologize,
it's
nothing
to
do
with
you
or
us,
or
anybody
on
this
board
here.
I've
been
dealing
with
this
for
in
this
role
for
10
years,
I've
been
here,
I've
had
Addiction
in
my
life,
my
entire
life
I've
buried
multiple
people
with
needles
in
their
arms.
So
yes
I'm
hot,
about
this
issue.
O
B
D
Let
me
just
start
by
saying
that,
like
achieve
mariama,
why
Hammond
you
know
I
survived
the
War
on
Drugs,
while
my
friends
fell
victim
to
it
right.
So
this
conversation
is
not
one
of
those
that,
for
me,
are
political,
because
these
things
are
really
personal
to
a
lot
of
us
right
as
counselor
Baker
just
mentioned.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
passion
around
this
issue.
D
But
it's
different
actors
who
are
now
leading
what
we're
trying
to
Grapple
with
and
I
also
just
want
to
make
note
that
this
has
been
I
first
came
to
learn
about
needles
in
the
park
through
Leon
Rivera,
who
was
a
fierce
Advocate.
I'm
posting
a
lot
of
things
on
Facebook,
eight,
almost
eight
to
ten
years
ago,.
D
They
should
be
involved
in
this
conversation
too,
because
it's
everybody
plays
a
role
in
what
we're
dealing
with
and
so
through
the
chair
and
to
the
coast
to
the
sponsors
of
this
hearing.
You
know
when
we
start
thinking
about
this
we'd
love
to
have
more
folks
who
who
can
help
ground
us
and
and
kind
of
where
we
go
from
here.
D
I
I
have
a
12
year
old
daughter,
who
is
a
member
of
the
base
and
uses
Clifford
Park
for
her
practice,
I'm
in
that
field,
and
when
she
goes
to
play
I
always
worry
about
her
her
and
her
colleagues,
and
so
we
have
to
do
something
right,
and
it's
not
just
about
my
kid.
It's
all.
It's
all
of
our
kids,
so
here's
some
questions.
D
You
mentioned
that
various
departments
are
working
together
and
I'm
just
curious.
Can
you
just
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
coordination
efforts?
Are
you
meeting
regularly
kind
of
what
the
outcomes
are
of
those
meetings?
What
are
some
of
the
goals
and
objectives
that
you
put
forth
for
yourself
in
terms
of
issues
that
arise
and
how
are
you
dealing
with
those
issues
right
because
I
always
say
that
Boston
is
resource
rich,
but
coordination,
poor?
So
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
your
coordination
efforts.
D
You
had
mentioned
some
work
around
Public
Safety.
Can
you
just
kind
of
walk
us
through
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
what
that
looks
like
you
know
how
many
people
are
out
there?
You
said
that
some
folks,
that
you
have
some
folks
who
are
parked
and
that
are
visually
noticeable
that
they're
there
for
that
work.
But
you
said
there
were
other
individuals,
so
I'm
just
curious
who
those
other
individuals
are,
what
role
do
they
play
and
how
are
they
helping
to
address
some
of
these
issues?
D
J
If
that's
something
that
is
helpful
or
just
maybe
the
ones
that
were
named
sure
the
total
cost
for
the
low
threshold
housing
for
the
year,
and
that
includes
the
build
out
costs
for
the
new
sites
that
were
stood
up,
including
for
The
Roundhouse.
That
was
2.5
million
dollars,
which
obviously
is
not
is
a
one-time.
The
total
cost
for
fiscal
year
23
was
24
million
dollars
for
the
six
sites,
29
million
dollars.
J
It
actually
goes:
Way
Beyond,
just
the
12
City
departments
and,
as
others
have
shared,
we
do
collaborate
with
outside
organizations
that
are
key
to
the
work
there.
I'll
start
with
New
Market
bid,
but
Pine
Street
Inn
is
helping
us
cover
overnight.
Outreach
efforts,
city-wide
Boston,
Healthcare
healthcare
for
the
homeless
program,
responding
to
emergencies,
overdoses,
providing
Case,
Management
Services.
Is
you
name
it
they're
on
the
street?
With
us
where
security,
New
England
security,
Boston
Medical
Center
I,
could
I
could
go
on
with
this
list.
D
Ahead,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
question
that
I
asked
specifically
was
I'd
like
I
I
appreciate
knowing
who
is
there,
but
I
really
want
to
get
into
outcomes
right,
gonna
deliverables.
What
happens
in
those
conversations?
What
are
some
of
the
metrics
that
you're
using
to
inform
your
response
and
where
you,
where
do
you
believe
you
might
be
falling
short
so
that
we
have
a
better
understanding
of?
Where
are
some
of
the
resources
that
we
need
to
lean
in
more
into
that's
kind
of
what
I
want
to
get
into?
J
Definitely
so
those
are
essentially,
you
could
see
what
our
deliverables
are.
If
you
look
at
our
dashboard
on
the
website,
each
tab
is
one
of
the
I
one
of
the
pillars
of
our
I
guess,
response
or
metrics
that
we're
looking
at
so
I'll
start
with
daily
operations.
That's
just
very
simple!
How
many
people
here
are
here
present
on
the
street
with
no
other
place
to
go,
so
you
can
follow
that
on
our
daily
operations.
J
On
those
calls,
we
not
only
talk
about
that
number,
but
we
talk
about
any
instances
of
crime,
any
instances
of
public
threats
to
everybody's
Public,
Safety
we're
looking
at
311
cases
looking
at
how
that
caseload
and
how
our
response
time
goes
for
anything
from
human
waste
to
encampments
that
are
forming
city-wide,
where
we
need
to
engage
with
people
and
provide
Outreach
we're
looking
at
syringe
data
to
see.
Are
we
picking
up
more
needles
than
we're
giving
out?
How
is
our
Public
Health?
J
You
know
our
outcomes
regarding
to
Public
Health
same
with
EMS
we're
looking
at
treatment
data.
Obviously,
we
want
to
know
the
vision,
obviously,
is
that
every
person
that
needs
treatment
can
get
it
in
a
timely
manner
and
doesn't
feel
like
there's
not
a
resource
there
for
them
to
grab
onto
and
the
same
with
housing.
So
all
of
those
those
are
the
metrics
that
we're
looking
at
and
not
only
we're
looking
at
them.
J
We
want
the
public
to
look
at
them
with
us
so
that
we
we
can
hold
ourselves
accountable,
yeah,
so
I'll
leave
it
with
that.
I'll
add
to
the
vision,
it's
not
kind
of
a
metric
reflected
here,
but
we
do
want
a
park
and
a
public
way
in
a
community
that
is
safe
and
healthy
for
everyone,
every
Community
member
and
that's
that's,
obviously
the
most
important
part
of
the
vision.
B
M
Sorry
man,
so
we
only
have
a
day
two
on
an
evening
Tour
on
the
overnight
response
at
Clifford,
Park
is
coordinated
with
Captain
cogman
in
District
B2,
who
sends
a
car
down
there
at
6
30
in
the
morning
and
and
based
on
Staffing.
It's
some
points
during
the
night,
but
it's
all
Staffing,
based
and
what's
going
on
in
in
their
District,
expect.
L
So
if
it's
a
Mass
Ave
address
it's
a
different
Police
District,
so
anything
in
the
neighborhoods
there
up
to
Dudley
Street
is
B2,
so
that
will
be
there
so,
where
down,
we
have
police
officers
in
the
area
of
Clifford
Park
in
island
and
Girard
24
7
365
days
a
year,
with
the
exception
of
occasionally
when
maybe
the
marathon
and
Staffing
restricts
us.
So
there
are
a
few
instances
where
you
may
not
see
during
significant
events
the
elect
action
coming
up.
We
may
not
have
offices
available,
so
there
are
some
some
staffing
constraints.
L
So
that's
what
we
do
and
we
help
out
with
the
street
Outreach
when
when
they
finish
at
11
45
at
night,
our
offices
are
down
there
and
they're
available
to
take
Radio
Calls
and
keep
an
eye
on.
What's
going
on
in
the
area,
I
mentioned
the
human
trafficking
unit.
I
can't
say
how
many
people
specifically
are
in
those
units
that
they're
not
under
my
command,
but
I
will
say
they
have
several
detectives
from
the
Boston
police
assigned
to
them.
L
L
You
know
different
days,
but
they
do
spend
I
would
say
a
considerable
amount
of
time
down,
Madison
cast
and
in
the
city,
because
there's
some
other
spots
that
we
have
some
issues
with
and
they
they
will
do
investigations
and
they'll
do
street
level.
Prostitution
investigations,
whether
it's
the
person
on
the
street
or
the
the
buyer.
L
They
also
have
some
clinicians
with
them,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
make
arrests
and
summons
perpetrators.
They
also
have
the
opportunity
and
availability
to
provide
counseling
and
treatment
for
some
of
the
people
that
are
involved
in
that
and
that's
part
of
the
task
force.
It's
all
together.
It's
a
package
so
when
the
street
out
I'm
sorry
when
the
human
trafficking
unit
is
around,
they
have
those
resources
readily
available
to
try
to
see
if
someone
needs
help,
and
sometimes
they
don't
need
help.
L
Sometimes
they
do
need
to
be
arrested
and
they
do
get
arrested
and
I.
Think
if
you
look
or
you
remember
in
the
paper,
they
have
been
some
front
page
Herald
articles
about
some
of
the
arrests
that
they've
made
down
there.
So
they've
they've
proven
very
valuable
as
far
as
like
when
they're
scheduling,
when
they're
around
I
would
rather
not
say,
I
think
it's
better
that
people
think
they're
there
all
the
time
and
and
that's
what
they
do
they
are.
L
I
also
mentioned
that
the
drug
control
unit,
what
we
call
the
DCU,
we
have
offices
assigned
to
B2
that
work
for
the
drug
control
unit,
so
they
actually
work
for
a
different
division,
which
is
the
drug
control
unit.
But
there's
a
group
of
people
assigned
to
B2
to
to
kind
of
deal
with
b2's
issues
and
complaints
and
concerns
so
I'm.
Sorry,.
L
Father
yep
I
just
touched
on
the
other
ones
too,
so
so
the
drug
control
unit
will
they'll
do
anything
from
b2's
down
there
quite
a
bit.
The
benefit
of
the
location
of
mass
and
Cass
from
a
policing
standpoint
is
that's
actually
the
intersection
of
three
police
districts.
So,
although
we
have
our
district
B2
drug
control,
unit
available
for
our
area,
Mass
Ave,
which
is
C6,
has
a
squad
also
and
then
on
the
other
side
by
the
BMC,
which
is
District
Four,
there's
another
squad
over
there.
L
So
there's
three
different
districts
in
that
area
that
have
drug
control
units,
and
then
we
also
have
a
couple
city-wide
units.
So
the
effort
from
the
drug
control
unit
down
in
that
area
is
basically
every
single
day
and
again
I
don't
want
to
get
into
Times,
but
it's
every
single
day
there's
something
going
on
on
the
with
the
drug
unit
in
that
area.
L
It
might
become
someone
coming
from
Lowell
to
sell
drugs
down
there
and
you
I
can't
say
to
you
that
that's
a
result
of
that
you
know
of
something
that
mass
and
gas,
but
that's
the
stuff,
that's
happening
with
the
drug
unit.
It
splinters
off
into
better
investigations
and
again
I
think
that
goes
back
to
one
of
the
things
we
would.
Rather,
some
of
the
people
we're
dealing
down
there,
particularly
when
they
involved
in
drugs,
have
serious
health
concerns.
L
So
as
a
district
Commander
is
a
police
officer
and
as
a
human
being,
sometimes
putting
a
sick
person
in
a
Cell
Block
because
they've
been
arrested
is
not
the
best
way
to
go
and
getting
them
either
to
the
hospital
or
help
might
be
better.
So
sometimes
we
will
summons
people,
which
is
a
avails
US
of
the
opportunity
to
get
someone
health
care
and
have
them
not
be
sick
in
the
police
station.
We
want
to
avoid
that
at
all
costs.
L
Maybe
the
more
impact
plays
they're,
not
necessarily
the
individuals
that
are
down
there,
just
using
drugs
or
people
have.
These
are
people
that
are
coming
down
that
perhaps
selling
drugs
or
have
the
ability
to
be
violent
and
that
are
a
concern
to
them
and
the
you
find
Strike
Force
tends
to
know
some
of
the
people
that
might
be
more
violent
and
and
they're
down
there.
There
was
a
shots
fired
on
pompe
Street
a
couple
weeks
ago.
We
were
fortunate.
We
got
some
very
good
video
and
we've
got
video
at
night.
L
It
was
about
four
in
the
morning
and
we
got
more
video
at
about
10
in
the
morning
and
then
B2
and
the
youth
on
strike
force
and
the
detectives
went
down
in
the
morning
and
caught
a
person
with
a
pistol.
So
these
are
options
in
other
units
that
we're
utilizing
again.
Do
you
see
them
all
the
time
nope
you're
not
and
you're,
not
gonna.
If,
if
you're
seeing
the
drug
unit
we're
doing
something
wrong,
but
but
they
are
down
there
and
that's
all
I
have.
B
D
D
That's
what
I've
been
hearing
it
doesn't
seem,
or
at
least,
if
there's
a
dashboard
or
if
there's
a
place
for
accountability
where
we
can
actually
see
that
return
on
the
investment
of
like
kind
of
what
is
happening
to
kind
of
get
a
handle
on
the
drug
cells.
If
you
will
I
just
feel
like
there
is
this,
if
you
can
point
us
to
a
place
where
we
can
see
the
outcomes
if
it
exists,
like
a
rest
number
of
arrests,
you
know
like
anything
to
that
nature.
D
Just
because
what
we
hear
in
the
community
is
that
there
is
nothing
right.
There
is
no
presence.
There
is
no
reaction.
There
is
no
return
on
any
of
those
Investments
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity,
since
we're
here
in
a
public
hearing
to
really
be
able
to
say
well.
Actually
that
is
not
the
case.
Here
are
the
date.
Here's
the
here
are
the
numbers,
here's
what
we've
been
able
to
do,
Etc
just
so
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page.
Thank.
M
M
P
I
had
the
opportunity
to
be
a
probation
officer
before
this
job
at
Suffolk,
Superior
Court
for
for
nine
years
and
I
had
to
put
unfortunately,
I
had
to
put
a
lot
of
recommend
to
the
judge
to
send
a
lot
of
people
to
to
detox
or
to
Bridgewater.
Most
of
them
didn't
want
to
go.
Some
did,
but
people
using
drugs
in
involved
in
in
crime
in
Boston
this
being
on
the
street,
is
probably
the
worst
place.
The
worst
place
for
them.
P
P
It's
obvious
from
from
the
conversations
here
that
you
know
one
thing
I
notice
is
we
want
Clifford
Park
to
be
clean
for
our
children
so
that
they
they
can
play
sports
in
you
know,
but
we
don't
want.
We
don't
want
to
arrest
anybody
and
we
don't
want
to
arrest
any
low-level
person.
That's
making
that's
that's
involved
in
some
type
of
Quality
of
Life
issue
or
someone
using
drugs
and
I
I
agree
with
the
captain.
P
I,
don't
think
the
jail
cell
is
the
place
for
someone
that's
arrested
and
then
the
police
captain
being
responsible
for
them,
especially
on
a
weekend.
If
there's
no,
if
there's
no
medical
care,
but
I
guess
my
point
is
we
want
to.
We
want
pox,
but
we
don't
want
to
make
as
a
society
the
tough
choices
that
go
along
with
with
the
safe
Park.
P
If
you're
involved
in
any
type
of
drug
activity,
you
don't
belong
in
a
park.
S
are
about.
Recreation
parks,
are
about
sports
they're,
about
football,
they're,
about
baseball,
they're,
about
elderly
people
walking
and
getting
exercise.
It's
about
people
jogging
for
mental
health
and
and
talking
it's
not
about
it's,
not
about
using
drugs.
P
P
So,
as
a
society,
we
still
have
to
be
more
consistent
about
this
and
work
with
the
community
work
with
the
police
work
work
with
our
city
officials
that
are
here
get
people
into
treatment.
That's
the
number
one
priority,
but
if
the,
if
their
priority
is
not
getting
into
treatment,
they
do
not
belong
in
a
park.
A
park
is
about
football.
It's
about
baseball!
It's
about
basketball,
it's
tennis!
It's
walking!
It's
jogging!
It's
not
about
drug
use.
P
I
also
am
involved
in
sports
with
my
son
down
at
mokley
Park,
which
is
not
far
from
Clifford
Park.
It's
probably
it's
probably
a
half
of
my
eye.
I
guess
we
also
not
not
to
the
extent
that
Clifford
park
has,
but
we
also
have
similar
challenges,
as
as
other
as
other
Parks
do
as
well,
but
as
a
city
as
a
community.
It's
about
quality
of
life
for
the
residents.
It's
about
Public
Safety.
P
I,
don't
necessarily
have
any
questions,
but
maybe
some
of
the
answer
is
also
as
Council
Baker
is.
Is
working
with
the
sheriff's
department
working
with
the
District
Attorney's
office
when
I
was
a
probation
officer,
I
had
eight
I
supervised
the
homeless
Community.
If
I
had
80
people
on
probation
at
one
time,
60
of
them
may
committed
their
offense
outside
of
Suffolk
County.
They
committed
their
offense
in
Middlesex
County,
a
Barnstable
County
or
Dukes
County
Hampden,
County,
Franklin
County.
P
Basically,
those
areas
of
the
city
areas
of
the
state
rather
basically
sent
these
guys,
mostly
guys
to
Boston,
because
Boston
has
services,
and
so
where
do
you
go?
You
end
up
at
Madison
house
and
you
try
to
get
some
Services
there,
but
cities
and
towns
across
Massachusetts
have
fields
the
residents
of
Boston
were
being
penalized,
we're
being
punished
for
being
a
compassionate
City.
In
my
opinion,
we
just
can't.
We
just
can't
have
that
same
type
of
commitment
to
everybody
that
comes
into
Boston.
P
Unfortunately,
I
think
also
the
the
court
system
needs
to
be
at
these
meetings
as
well.
The
district
attorney
needs
to
be
at
these
Community.
These
hearings
as
well,
and
there
has
to
be
a
role
for
the
courts
to
play
in
this
discussion.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
sponsors.
Thank
you
to
the
pianists
for
the
important
work
you
are
doing.
P
Thank
you
to
the
community
and
also
thank
you,
especially
in
my
opinion,
really
to
the
to
the
Boston
police
that
are
out
there
every
day
and
every
night,
and
we
expect
so
much
from
them
and
and
then
we
then,
unfortunately
we
don't.
We
don't
support
them.
We
we
second
guess
them.
Thank
you,
madam
champ.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
to
all
the
panelists
for
being
here
and
for
your
dedication
to
this
issue.
I
think
Tanya
said
it.
You
know,
folks,
even
if
we
have
different
approaches,
everyone
is
looking
for
a
solution.
No
one
wants
this
to
be
happening
in
our
city,
and
so
I
also
want
to
thank
those
who've
offer
public
testimony,
because,
frankly,
it's
just
unfair
that
you
are
bearing
the
burden
of
a
city-wide,
Regional
and
Statewide
issue.
Q
It
is
unfair
and
we
have
to
find
a
solution
that
I
believe
the
captain
mentioned
is,
is
not
about
arresting
our
way
out
of
it,
but
finding
a
way
to
to
healing
for
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
are
down
there.
I
think
someone
mentioned
that
at
the
root
of
this
is
we
have
a
mental
health
crisis,
and,
what's
unfortunate
is
that
we
don't
have
a
health
care
System.
We
have
a
system
that
is
a
sick
care
system.
Q
You
go
there
if
you're,
sick,
and
so
many
of
our
systems
are
reactionary,
they're
reacting
to
our
problem
rather
than
being
proactive
and
getting
in
front
of
it
and
I
and
I.
One
of
those
areas
is
around
making
sure
that
folks
have
housing.
So
when
Tanya,
when
you
were
talking
about
the
numbers
of
people
moving
into
people
moving
into
permanent
housing,
why
doesn't
that
it
looks
like
we're
getting
folks
off
of
mass
and
casts
into
either
The
Roundhouse
or
another
low
threshold
housing
option
and
then
folks
are
going
into
permanent
housing?
Q
J
Foreign,
thank
you
counselor,
it's
it's.
As
you
said,
we
have
a
public,
Mental
Health
crisis
and
we
have
a
substance,
use
disorder,
epidemic
and
so,
as
we
place
people
into
housing,
there's
always
new
people
going
coming
into
the
throes
of
active
addiction.
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
as
far
as
the
park
or
the
street,
it's
not
a
dignified.
It's
not
an
appropriate
place
for
people
to
stabilize
to
take
a
step
into
treatment
and
Recovery.
That's
that's
not
the
right
situation
for
them
to
get
stable
in
that
way.
J
That's
why
I
I
wanted
to
share
those
those
results
from
the
low
threshold
housing
because
as
people
stabilize,
they
have
a
moment
to
breathe.
They
have
a
moment
to
think
about
well.
Well,
yes,
I
want
to
go
into
treatment.
Yes,
I
want
to
eventually
get
into
stable
housing,
see
my
family
again
and
when
you
do
get
to
see
those
stories,
it's
wonderfully
inspirational.
B
B
J
H
Could
I
add
something
quickly,
absolutely
I.
Think
I'm
really
thankful.
I
I
want
a
name
that
I've
been
praying
about
this
hearing
since
yesterday,
because
I
was
deeply
concerned,
it
was
going
to
go
in
a
very
poor
Direction
but
as
I've
been
listening,
I
I
hear
something
that
reminded
me,
I,
think
some
of
you
know
I
used
to
run
a
youth
organization
called
project
hip,
hop
and
every
summer
we'd
study.
What
community,
organizing
is
and
we'd
have
an
exercise.
H
Sometimes
we
just
read
it,
but
sometimes
we
actually
get
to
act
it
out
and,
and
the
story
was
of
a
village
where
there
was
a
river
in
the
middle
and
that
people
would
use
to
wash
to
get
water
Etc
and
one
day
a
baby
comes
down
in
a
basket
and
they
discover
the
baby
and
everyone's
like.
Oh,
my
gosh
where's
this
baby
from
oh
but-
and
there
was
an
older
couple
who
at
the
time
was,
was
childless
and
they
decided
to
take
in
the
baby.
H
So
at
first
it
seemed
like
a
blessing,
but
then
the
next
day
another
baby
came
down
the
river
and
then
the
day
after
and
by
the
time
it
had
been
a
few
months
in
this
small
village
had
30
new
babies
and
it
moved
from
seeing
those
babies
as
a
blessing
to
getting
into
major
arguments
about
the
child
care
support
that
they
had.
It
was
beyond
what
they
could
handle
and
we'd
always
put
this
problem
out
to
the
young
people,
and
people
would
get
into
these
whole
debates
and
sometimes
sometimes
the
staff
had
to
do
it.
H
Sometimes
one
young
person
would
ask:
where
are
the
babies
coming
from
and
I
I
feel
at
times?
That,
like
the
dynamic
is
we
are
fighting
over
the
ability
to
handle
a
situation,
and
we
should
we
have
to
put
the
resources
there,
but
we
also
need
to
ask
a
question
about
why
these
people
are
showing
up
in
our
community
and
I.
Think
that
lots
of
work
is
happening.
People
are
doing
amazing
work
and
the
problem
is
still
growing.
H
I
spoke
on
the
phone
to
the
mayor,
the
other
night,
because
now
it's
not
just
Clifford
Park.
It's
also
Franklin
Park
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
which
interventions
can
we
use
from
Clifford
Park
Tanya's
already
sent
me
a
letter,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
where
we
can
add
lighting
and
I
I
want
us
to
respond,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
will
ever
have
enough
resources
to
respond
to
this
problem
as
it
grows.
If
at
some
point
we
also
don't
ask
what
is
the
root
cause
of
this,
and
what
can
we
do
about
it?
H
H
So
I
think
that's
a
really
nuanced
conversation
and
I
hear
it
come
up
in
every
community
meeting,
but
not
in
a
deeply
spiritual,
interconnected
way
that
can
help
us
move
forward,
so
I
I
would
love
to
suggest
that
we
need
to
just
have
one
meeting.
That's
only
about
that.
The
second
thing-
I'm
hearing
and
I-
want
to
just
throw
this
out.
What
bold
Solutions
are
we
willing
to
try
like
I,
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
safe
injection
I'm,
a
clergy
person
and
I
know
that
usually
we
are
against
that
kind
of
conversation.
H
We
cannot
make
progress
if
other
cities
and
towns
in
the
state
are
not
willing
to
do
their
part
and
I
feel
sometimes
we
are
so
turned
in
on
each
other,
arguing
about
how
we
address
this,
that
we
are
not
United
in
our
push
on
some
of
the
other
communities
that,
in
some
instances,
are
putting
their
people
on
the
train
and
telling
them
go
to
Boston.
That's
where
the
resources
are
and
I
I
think
that's
a
whole
nother
conversation.
So
I
just
want
to
suggest
I'm
so
willing
to
talk
about
this
and
I.
H
B
Q
You
and
thank
you,
Chief
white
Hammond.
If
this
wasn't
you
know,
my
question
to
Tanya
was,
as
a
was
a
bit
of
a
leading
question
about
we're,
seeing
more
people
impart
and
it's
gonna-
it's
gonna
be
a
hard
word
to
use,
but
in
part
because
of
the
success,
a
bit
of
transitioning,
folks
and
folks,
coming
to
Madison,
cast
and
and
in
part,
because
they
know
that
there's
a
solution,
it's
unclear.
Q
What
that
really
is,
but
folks
are,
there
are
more
folks
coming
in,
as
we
succeed
in
moving
people
onward
towards
whether
low
threshold,
housing
and
then
permanent
housing,
and
it's
a
success
that
you
can't
see
because
more
people
keep
on
coming
because
and
they're
not
and
they're,
coming
from
both
within
Boston,
but
also
outside
of
Boston,
because
this
is
a
regional
and
a
Statewide
issue,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
shine
a
light.
A
little
bit
on
that
that
part
of
that
solution.
Q
Right,
as
you
were
talking
about
the
what
are
the
root
causes
and
having
stable
shelter,
is
part
of
that
and
so
I
think
it's
an
important
thing
to
say
like
yes,
it's
really
expensive,
because
housing
has
been
commodified
in
a
way
that
makes
it
expensive
to
ensure
housing
as
a
human
right,
but
we're
doing
it
and
making
small
steps
and
that's
important
and
the
failure
of
other
cities
to
respond.
Similarly,
is
a
problem,
so
I
think.
Q
The
next
question
is:
what
are
those
Regional
conversations
that
we've
been
having
have
we
been
having
them
with
other
cities
that
are
not
investing
in
finding
Solutions?
You
know
we're
here
and
we're
pointing
out
the
crisis,
but
we
are
also
taking
steps
to
you
know,
solutions
that
we
know
or,
like
Reverend,
Chief
whiteham,
stated
to
exploring
what
else
is
possible.
So
are
we
having
those
Regional
conversations?
What
are
they
like?
Where
is
the
state
and
helping
and
helping
us
out
here.
J
A
comment
on
the
on
the
first
point
that
you
made
and
then
I'll
answer
the
question:
if
that's
okay
in
my
very
short,
admittedly
very
short
experience,
I
just
wanna
make
a
maybe
a
comment
about
Nuance
here.
Most
people
I
have
spoken
to
are
not
necessarily
coming
here,
because
they've
heard
there's
resources
and
housing
which
there
are,
and
that
is
the
reason
people
do
stay,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
harm
reduction
services
that
we
are
providing
do
help
keep
people
alive.
J
So
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
we
do
see
more
over
those
debts
in
private
homes
outside
of
the
Madison
cast
area.
That
is
because
of
the
life-saving
harm
reduction
services
that
Jen's
team
is
providing.
But
what's
really
in
my
experience,
talking
with
people
was
really
bringing
them
to
the
area
is
a
sense
of
community.
A
sense
of
here
is
a
place
where
other
people
will
not
see
me
as
less
than
and
less
than
human
and
I
think
that
we
should
just
continue.
J
You
know,
I,
don't
think
that
we
should.
We
should
say,
oh
because
we're
providing
life
service,
life-saving
Services
people
are
coming
coming.
So
we
should
stop
that's
the
kind
of
a
point
I
wanted
to
make
and
then
the
question
about
the
regional
conversation.
That
is
a
formal
part
of
the
administration's
medium
and
long-term
plan.
We
are
tremendously
excited
and
have
been
in
conversations
with
state
government.
I
mean
they
were
key
in
setting
up
a
couple
of
these
low
threshold
sites.
I
have
to
say
that
we
need
to
ramp
that
up
significantly.
J
Q
More
follow-up,
questions
and
I
think
that
when
you're
talking
about
the
sense
of
community
and
I
mean
I-
think
it's
been
mentioned
here
before
like
when
we
all
recently
took
a
trip
there,
but
Long
Island
is
definitely
a
part
of
this
solution
and
we
can't
get
it
going
soon
enough
soon
enough
to
really
be
part
of
the
solution.
The
second
question
is
zoning.
It
back
in
on
Clifford
Park.
We
also
a
few
weeks
ago.
Q
Think
that
part
of
what
folks
want
to
see
is
that
we
have
the
stationary
cleanup
and
we've
been
thanks
to
the
New
Market
bid,
thanks
to
the
efforts
of
councilor,
Baker
and
other
people.
How
can
we
continue
to
improve
the
cleanup
process
at
Clifford
Park
build
on
the
success,
or
you
know
in
the
failures
from
from
this,
the
new
stationary
cleanup
that
we
have.
J
Yeah
yeah
I
I.
We
are
open
to
ideas,
I'll
just
restate
what
we
currently
have
going
on
and
again
yeah
open
to
ideas.
So
we
do
have
the
recovery
services
team
canvas
in
that
neighborhood
three
and
and
prioritizing
Clipper
Clifford
Park
they're
there
by
6
30
a.m
and
present
three
times
a
day.
The
city's
mobile
sharks
team
is
responding.
Yeah.
Q
Q
So
just
in
terms
of
the
conversation
in
terms
of
like
how
we
can
do
a
better
job,
we
just
that
continuing
to
think
about
what
that
is,
and
maybe
it's
more
permanence
of
cleanup
you
know-
of
of
the
staff
rather
than
shifting
them
in
and
out.
Maybe
that's
a
potential
solution,
and
then,
lastly,
is
that
you
mentioned.
Captain
mentioned
the
the
three
different
police
stations
that
are
involved
in
the
area,
but
didn't
mention
that
state
police
are
also
involved
and
that's
another
way
of
having
a
regional
response
or
approach.
Q
M
Ma'am,
so
we
are
in
contact
with
the
state
police.
They
have
a
homeless
Outreach
team.
State
Police
have
limited
jurisdiction
in
the
area.
The
jurisdiction
encompasses
basically
melnia
Cass,
but
we
are
in
communication
with
them.
We
work
with
them,
I
speak
with
them
roughly
once
a
week.
They
have
a
good
team
and
we
do
collaborate
on
a
multitude
of
different
issues,
not
only
in
the
Madison
Cass
area
but
city-wide.
So.
Q
M
M
You
are
correct,
it
is
part
of
a
regional
response.
The
main
thing
is,
they
do
have
a
homeless,
Outreach
team
I
do
know
of
the
homeless.
Team.
I
have
worked
them
in
the
past
and
they
do
the
same
things.
My
average
Outreach
team
does
I
mean
diverge
to
treatment,
that's
the
main
thing
and
collaboration
on
different
individuals
that
are
in
the
area
most
of
the
individuals
that
they
deal
with.
We
deal
with
so
that
that
cross
and
communication
and
collaboration
is
key.
Q
Thank
you
I.
You
know
I
look
forward
to
when
we
are
having
these
Regional
conversations
that
if
there
are
Regional
partners
that
are
present
there
physically,
that
they
be
brought
in
because
it
also
is
a
question
of.
Is
this
an
efficient
use
of
resources?
And
so,
if
we
don't
know
what
folks
are
doing
and
are
unaware
of
the
efficacy
of
what
they're
doing,
then
we
have
to
rethink
how
we're
using
our
resources.
Thank
you.
R
R
So
I'll
just
speak
from
a
personal
perspective,
so
I
I
and
many
of
you
already
know
that
I
come
from
a
very
poor,
extreme
extreme
poverty
in
West,
Africa,
Cape
Verde,
and
to
the
projects
here
in
the
90s
and
living
through
or
as
my
colleague
councilman
here
mentioned,
surviving
the
crack
epidemic
living
in
the
projects.
I
can
count
at
least
eight
friends
that
I
know
got
killed
by
execution.
R
Style
bodies
fell
on
me,
witnessed
one
found
a
body
in
in
the
catwalk
and
academies,
and
then
you
just
find
people
drugged
out
living
in
academies.
You
find
people
knocking
on
your
doors,
the
feces,
the
sexual
acts,
prostitution
being
solicited
for
cops
soliciting
me
for
sex
yeah.
You
go
through
it
all
like
as
a
teen
coming
home
working
two
jobs
trying
to
pay
the
bills.
R
We
we
went
through
that
in
the
90s
and
if
you
had
a
poor
family,
if
you
were
immigrant
or
non,
you
lived
in
the
projects
and
you
saw
this
stuff
so
when
I
hear
Miss,
Marla
testify
and
talk
and
speak
to
the
concentration
of
poverty
and
resources
in
black
neighborhoods
and
then
for
it
to
be
historically
disenfranchised
and
now
to
lead
to
today,
I'll
speak
a
little
bit
about
my
work
context,
my
experience
and
then
I'll
lead
to
my
questions.
I.
Thank
you.
R
So
much
for
your
prospective
Miss
Marla
I've,
followed
you
on
social
media,
but
have
never
actually
had
a
full
conversation
with.
You
really
appreciate
it
in
the
way
that
you
put
it
together
today
and
I'll
say
that
in
a
harm
reduction
or
any
type
of
CSP
or
Community,
Support
programs
or
any
type
of
needle
exchange,
programs
or
I,
was
a
HIV
testing
counselor.
So
that
came
with
needle
exchange.
We
worked
in
the
combat
zone.
We
worked
Blue
Hill
Ave,
we
worked
from
dimmick
Street,
we
would
be
sent
to.
Is
it
a
community?
R
Well,
they
would
call
it
women
connected
affecting
change,
but
it
was
a
code
for
sex
industry
workers,
Center
and
folks
would
come
in,
and
you
know
with
no
judgment,
they
could
just
sit
and
they
could
bathe
and
they
could
take
a
rest
and
they
were
as
Reiki
and
all
this
type
of
really
holistic,
good
stuff.
The
program
is
no
longer.
There
haven't
done
my
research
to
understand
if
there
was
a
replacement
or
alternative,
and
then
you
have
folks
that
evidence-based
research
that
shows
that
there
are
alternatives
to
summoning
people
to
court.
R
People
are
calling
it
here,
section
35,
but
I
think
maybe
if
we
do
away
with
labels
of
policies
or
failed
policies
that
we
believe
does
not
or
that
we
believe
criminalizes
addiction,
then
perhaps
we
can
create
some
sort
of
collaborative
effort
to
discuss
alternative
to
section
35
in
a
way
that's
evidence-based,
but
also
harm,
reducing
the
issue
with
our
society
today.
I
think
that
especially
Western
medicine.
R
R
Can
we
address
them
and
bring
them
to
conversations
and
not
exclude
them,
and
then
we
talk
about
in
terms
of
our
qualifications?
We
must
be
honest,
honestly
in
all
the
conversations
that
we've
had
with
Community
Advocates
with
people
in
recovery
with
ourselves.
No
one
here
is
qualified,
not
the
mayor.
She
doesn't
have
the
answer.
I
don't
have
the
answer.
The
police
doesn't
have
the
answer.
Parks
doesn't
have
the
answer.
Public
Health
doesn't
have
the
answer.
The
victims
don't
have
the
answer.
The
council.
Does
anybody
here?
Have
the
answer?
No
one.
R
No
one!
Absolutely
you
have
an
idea.
You
have
opinions,
you
have
suggestions.
So
then,
where
do
we
go
from
there?
Can
we
figure
out
how
and
I
hear
the
police
officers
the
captain
Lieutenant?
Is
it
sorry
speak
about
the
work
and
your
job
is
to
be
out
there
and
I
agree
with
Council
Flynn.
There
are
inundated
with
overtime
and
all
of
this
work
and
if
you,
if
I,
speak
to
your
work
and
I,
thank
you
for
your
service.
R
But
if
I
speak
to
your
work
that
I'm
coddling
and
sympathizing
with
police,
it's
such
a
divisive
Society
if
I.
Thank
you
right
now
for
the
parks
cleaning.
Oh
my
God,
that's
because
that's
her
friend
if
I
say
Tanya,
it's
not
your
fault!
You
just
got
here.
In
fact,
your
experience
with
this
is
limited.
R
Oh
my
God
she's
sympathizing
with
Tanya.
That's
it
we're
such
a
divisive
society
that,
instead
of
us
being
honest
about
you,
just
don't
know
what
the
heck
we're
talking
about
and
let's
create
the
platform
that
we
can
actually
bring
the
policies.
That's
worked.
If
Lisbon
Portugal's
practices
would
section
35
does
not,
it
cannot
be
Implement
duplicated,
exactly
protocol
per
protocol.
Let's
amend
that.
Let's
discuss
how
we
can
actually
use
that
plan
here.
I
can
talk
about
metrics
and
I.
R
Had
questions
at
first
I
was
writing
away
questions
about
metrics
about
dashboard,
exactly
what
are
your
numbers
and
I
have?
Oh,
my
God,
you
see
my
pages
and
then
I
said
it
doesn't
matter
because
at
this
point
we
all
know
what
we
know
and
I'm
interested
in.
How
are
we
coming
together
to
council
lujen's
point?
How
is
the
state
and
local
police
working
together?
R
I
have
a
whole
list
of
cleaning
the
numbers
addressing
I
worked
in
this
field.
I
know
a
lot
about
this
population,
and
so
I
won't
waste
your
time
in
getting
all
of
these
numbers
together,
but
I'm
highly
interested
in
getting
together
with
you,
Domingo's
Marla,
all
of
the
community
folks
Tanya,
of
course,
and
the
police
and
the
DA's
office
I
think
bringing
together
medical
professionals
as
well.
They
have
a
strong
pharmaceutical
investment
in
this
and
looking
at
what
does
that
Roundtable?
What
does
that
triage
of
summoning
someone
to
court?
R
What
does
that
panel
look
like,
so
that
we
can
begin
to
address
these
issues?
I
don't
want
to
blame
the
victim
and
say
you
know,
oh
well,
you
know
you
locked
away
my
black
men
all
this
time
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
a
disease
again
shaming
the
victim
is
not
the
answer
shaming.
Each
other
is
certainly
not
the
answer
and
if
we're
unqualified,
let's
call
that
out
and
let's
work
together
to
come
to
a
solution,
God
willing.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Fernandez,
Anderson,
so
I
will
I
will
make
my
comments
and
I
will
keep
them
brief
so
that
we
can
move
on
to
the
last
part
of
public
testimony
and
then
do
one
last
round
of
questions.
I
asked
my
Council
colleagues
that
if
you
have
one
last
question,
please
it's
about
12
20
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
can
testify.
So
if
there's
like
one
last
question,
we'll
do
a
final
round
of
questions
and
then
let
the
the
panel
close
us
out
similarly
to
everybody
here.
B
This
is
not
on
an
issue
that
is
unfamiliar
to
me.
I
was
actually
working
at
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission,
where
the
decision
came
down
that
they
were
going
to
close
the
Long
Island
Bridge,
and
you
could
feel
the
tension.
You
could
cut
it
with
a
knife
in
the
entire
building.
We
saw
the
opioid
epidemic
coming.
Everybody
in
that
building
knew
that
it
was
a
bad
decision
to
close
Long
Island
and
you
felt
it
all
the
way
from
every
single
one
of
the
bureau's
to
the
executive
office.
B
I
was
21.,
we're
talking,
12
years
that
it
took
to
this
to
the
for
this
issue
to
reach
this
fever
pitch.
When
I
was
22
years
old,
my
best
friend
Michael
died
of
a
heroin
overdose.
Again
we
saw
the
opiate
epidemic
coming
all
of
us.
This
is
an
issue
that
took
over
a
decade
to
brew
here
in
the
city
and,
like
everybody
here
has
mentioned
lack
of
action
in
action
from
other.
B
You
know
other
administrations,
this
Administration,
all
of
it
there's
just
like
it's
been
it's
been
ongoing
and
we
have
a
lot
of
work
and
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
What
I've
seen
in
this
hearing
is
that
there's
no
disagreement
about
the
problem,
the
root
of
the
problem
or
how
we
got
here,
and
there
is
very
little
disagreement
about
what
we
can
do
to
actually
change
to
to
make
this
better.
There
are
two
things
there
are
the
root
causes
of
the
issues.
How
are
the
babies
coming
down
the
river?
B
B
So
we
can
have
the
high
level
conversations
about
what
the
root
causes
are
and
how
we
tackle
those
root
causes
and
how
we
figure
out
how
to
continue
to
work
on
this
issue,
and
then
we
have
to
have
the
conversation
about
what
happens
right
now,
because
it's
untenable,
you
know
I,
think
I.
Think
councilor
region
said
that
it
was
unfair
and
I
think
that
that's
a
light
way
to
put
it
I
think
unfair
is
a
light
way
to
put
it.
It's
unacceptable
and
you
know
I've
heard
from
Marla
very
specific
requests
from
the
community.
I.
B
Don't
know
that
that's
gonna
fix
it,
but
I
think
that
we,
you
know
I
I,
don't
see.
I
asked
the
committee
chair,
I'll
be
recommending
right,
I'll,
be
looking
at
those
and
recommending
them
at
the
for
the
next
city
council
meeting
and
I'll
work
with
the
lead
sponsors
of
the
hearing
order
to
talk
about
what
else
they
got
out
of
this.
B
So
I
had
questions
that
have
already
been
answered
that
are
technical
questions
about
what's
already
happening.
There.
I
will
sit
with
what
I've
heard
from
all
the
other,
my
other
Council
colleagues,
and
make
recommendations
that,
obviously
the
administration
doesn't
have
to
take,
because
that's
how
this
works,
but
I
will
you
know
I
will
be
making
the
the
recommendation
and
I'll
be
making
a
concerted
effort
to
work
with
my
colleagues
to
talk
about
a
regional
strategy
for
this.
The
reality
is
that
we
all
have
friends
that
are
Senators
at
the
state
house.
B
We
all
have
friends
that
are
state
representatives
at
the
state
house.
We
work
with
them
on
other
policy
issues,
and
this
issue
should
not
be
any
different.
There's,
not
a
reason
why
the
city
council
shouldn't
be
making
a
concerted
effort
to
work
with
State
partners
and
really
figure
out
a
regional
strategy
for
how
to
respond
to
this.
B
E
Thank
you,
Council
I
appreciate
the
hearing
today.
I
appreciate
the
level
of
of
seriousness
that
the
council
is
taking
on
all
of
this
and
and
appreciate
very
much
Council
Baker
and
Council
Murphy
and
Senator
elect
Miranda
who've
spent
a
lot
of
time
down
here,
counselor
Anderson
as
well
just
you
know,
and
how,
how
people
see
the
passion
that
the
community
has
for
this
this
issue.
More
importantly,
I
just
wanted
to
just
add
on
to
some
of
the
statistics
we
have
since
the
bid
started.
E
We've
responded
to
11
535
calls
for
service
since
July,
and
what
we've
most
in
that
is
just
in
the
in
the
new
market
area.
You
know
that
that
Matt
is
encompassed
in
massacasses
is
in
I'm
trying
to
get
to
know
specifically
for
Clifford
Park,
but
in
the
last
few
weeks
about
since
since
about
a
month
a
month
or
so
ago,
when
when
we
did
have
the
big
meeting
down
there-
and
you
know
more
resources
were
going
toward
it.
Our
security
is
trying
to
go
in
the
park
every
time.
E
Anybody
makes
a
call
to
our
security.
We
will
go
in
and
we
will
ask
people
to
leave
the
park
if
they're
doing
behavior.
That
is
not
conducive
to
Recreation
and
quality
of
life
issues.
We
have
no
jurisdiction,
but
we
can
ask
and
and
many
times
they
leave
when,
when
our
offices
are
there,
so
we
are,
we
are
just
present
in
there
all
the
time
too,
and
are
are
open
to
all
the
residents
and
businesses
in
the
area
are
our
direct
number.
E
What
I
really
want
you
to
touch
on
too,
is
just
that
we've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
the
baby
coming
down
the
river,
the
and
and
and
the
and
the
people
that
are
already
at
already
been
here
before,
and
the
closing
of
the
Long
Island,
like
you,
I
I
knew
that
day
what
was
coming
down
the
pike
as
far
as
you
know
what
we
were
going
to
see
in
the
area
with
the
closing
of
Long
Island
and
what,
more
importantly,
the
issues
we
don't
have
the
answers.
But
we.
B
E
E
Get
I'm
sorry
to
testify
I'm,
sorry,
but
I.
What
I
just
want
to
say
is
that
is
that
we
do
need
to
triage
each
person
down
there,
because
some
person
some
need
public.
Some
need
mental
health,
some
need
addiction,
treatment
and
some,
unfortunately,
do
need
to
be
sectioned
at
all,
and
it's
really
a
one-on-one
and-
and
we
need
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
the
residents
of
business,
sit
down
there.
But
we
need
to
do
it.
B
S
S
Okay,
12
years
it'll
be
in
October,
that'll,
be
free
from
that
devil:
okay,
I've
sold
drugs.
During
the
crack
error,
the
90s
Robert
myrner
used
to
chase
me
Bobby
myrner.
He
used
to
chase
me
through
Mission
Hill
Roxbury
Washington
Street
Molina
Cass
Mass,
Ave,
Robert
Marner
lived
behind
my
house
in
the
late
80s
asked
him.
There
was
not
one
needle
in
my
neighborhood
I
spent
25
years
in
the
streets
of
Boston
selling
drugs.
S
Okay
for
the
last
12
years,
I've
been
clean,
I
got
a
substance,
abuse
certificate,
two
jobs
and
you
guys
can
take
the
time
to
hear
me.
But
I
bet
you.
You
will
hear
me
if
I'm
out
there
selling
drugs
right
if
I
stand
in
your
neighborhood
and
pedal
drugs
and
shoot
up,
you
would
hear
me
right
how
many
times
you
guys
come
out
there
without
the
Press.
S
How
many
times
you're
out
there
six
in
the
evening
six
in
the
morning
last
time
an
officer
got
pricked:
they
had
a
cleaning
team
out
there,
they
had
to
press,
and
then
the
mayor
showed
up.
Okay,
you
might
as
well
close
those
blinds
right
now,
because
what
y'all
doing
here
is
not
leaving
these
walls.
Okay,
y'all,
are
sit
in
here,
pushing
paperwork.
S
You
know
what
I
see
more
and
more
people
out
there
more
and
more
dying.
Okay,
I
still
got
friends
out
there,
I'd
lost
family
members.
Have
you
ever
held
someone
in
your
arms
and
tell
them
to
stay
alive,
lie
to
them
while
they
die.
Of
course
not.
You
would
understand.
You're
a
cop
I'm,
an
ex-gang
member,
so
we
know
the
difference
with
all
the
brother.
It's
up
not
to
die.
You
guys
are
giving
people
guns
with
this
free
Deal,
Exchange,
Mardi
wall
started,
might
as
well
give
them
the
bullets.
B
S
S
S
S
S
I
lived
in
Mission
Hill
in
the
70s
I
have
not
never
seen
someone
shoot
heroin
in
the
neck
with
a
cop
beside
him
in
plain
view
at
10
in
the
morning
at
eight
in
the
morning,
I'm
an
ex
drug
dealer,
I
don't
need
to
be
carrying
narcane.
You
know
what
it's
telling
me
and
most
of
us
people
I
know,
come
back
to
the
phrase
okay,
because
if
there
was
drug
dealers
from
the
90s,
there
were
10
000
murders
a
day
of
mass
and
cash
over
money.
S
We're
lucky
that
the
youth
today
out
trying
to
just
live
on
street
name,
not
over
money,
because
it
was
the
late
80s
and
I
got
a
half.
I
got
a
case
here
of
a
half
a
kilo,
cocaine
which
mostly
I,
were
in
high
school.
Okay.
If
it
was
those
days,
there'd
be
ten
thousand
murders
every
day
on
mastercast
because
we'll
be
all
killing
each
other
vying
for
what
money,
but
the
kids
did.
Nowadays
they
don't
care
okay,
and
we
we
can't
stop
at
the
youth
in
the
90s.
S
We
got
to
get
the
youth,
you
know
what
I
say:
I'm
56
years
old
25
years
is
not
the
penitentiary.
We
better
start
with
elementary
schools,
and
if
we
don't
start
now,
I'll
see
your
kids
out.
There
I'll
see
his
kids
in
prison
because
drug
in
prison,
they
don't
give
you
rich
poor
black
gay
white
purple.
T
T
Don't
know
what
people
think
about
the
children
that
are
at
Clifford
Park,
if
maybe
they
have
tougher
skin
or
thicker
skin,
or
something
that
it's
okay
for
them
to
be
exposed
to
the
stuff
that
they
see,
but
I
have
been
there
at
the
park,
and
I
have
seen
three
people
in
a
circle
to
one-up
Will's
story
shooting
each
other
up
in
the
neck.
There
are
kids
there,
I
have
children,
I
think
that
that
would
damage
them.
Like
does
everybody
agree
with
me?
T
That's
damaging
for
a
child,
and
you
people
think
that
you're
saving
people
by
you
know
not
arresting
them,
which
I'm
also
not
for
arresting
them
and
putting
them
in
prison.
That
does
not
help
but
you're
leaving
them
in
an
environment
where
I
had
a
woman
tell
me
that
the
hardest
part
about
it
is
when
she
has
to
move
her
bowels
into
a
man's
mouth,
to
make
money
to
get
drugs
and
I
don't
want
those
kind
of
people
around
the
kids
that
are
at
Clifford,
Park,
so
I
think.
T
Right
now
today
we
can
say
that
we
need
a
zero
tolerance
policy
and
people
that
are
not
children
playing
in
the
park.
Don't
go
in
the
park
period,
so
we
can
take
the
money
that
we're
spending
to
pay
everybody
to
be
at
this
meeting
and
we
can
pay
a
police
officer
to
stand
there
and
enforce
the
fact
that
you're
not
allowed
in
Clifford
Park
I,
don't
care
who
has
rules
or
I
mean
rights
or
whatever
to
go.
T
Do
drugs
in
whatever
Park
you
want
to
lay
around
in
but
I
feel
like
those
children
have
the
right
not
to
have
to
experience
that
they
should
be
able
to
go
to
the
park
right
like
it's.
It's
just.
It's
completely
unfair
to
them.
I
feel
like
I
mean
it's
clearly
a
racist
issue.
I,
don't
think
that
that's
a
secret,
you
know
what
I
mean
and
I.
Don't
think
I
really
need
to
describe
more
about
what
the
mile
is
like
to
you.
T
It's
I
do
want
to
speak
to
one
of
the
offices
later,
maybe
to
describe
what
it
is
like
when
you
encounter
an
officer
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
trash
everybody
right
now,
but
when
I
go
up,
they
roll
up
their
window,
so
I
don't
know
how
they
would
be
helping
the
addicts
while
they're
on
the
mile.
If
the
addict
goes
up
to
ask
for
help
in
the
windows
rolled
up,
I
feel
like
that's
not
working
so
I
feel
like
none
of
this
is
working
I
feel
like
we
should
just
end
the
meeting.
T
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
much
Robinson
for
your
testimony
and
for
all
of
your
work.
I'm
gonna
do
I
want
to
make
first
want
to
make
comment
about
the
conversation
around
decentralizing
Services,
because
it's
a
conversation
that
comes
up
often-
and
you
know
we
have
six-
we
have
six
locations-
is
that
correct,
Miss,
Del
Rio
across
the
city-
and
you
know
I,
like
I
I,
understand
that
it
is
convenient.
B
I
would
say
to
position
people
who
are
in
the
in
in
positions
of
power
as
somehow
not
being
impacted
by
this,
but
I
lived
next
door
to
a
low
threshold
location.
Very
literally,
you
can
there's
my
house
and
there's
The
Envision
Hotel
now
and
and
I
have
a
six-year-old
kid
and
I
live
in
that
neighborhood
I'm,
the
District
counselor
for
that
neighborhood
and
so
I'm,
not
going
to
say
that
we
haven't
had
complaints.
B
We've
had
in
the
last
year,
probably
a
half
a
dozen
complaints
come
from
that
area,
but
it's
different
than
what
we're
seeing
at
mass
and
Cass,
because
it
is
less
concentrated
right,
like
there's
only
40
people
at
the
Envision
hotel
and
so
us
getting
six
reports
of
needle
in
a
year.
We
can
clean
that
up.
We
can
call
3-1-1.
We
can
get
that
managed.
That
is
something
that
the
community
can
handle
with
people
and,
and
that
is
a
result
of
decentralizing.
B
If
I
didn't
drive
by
there
and
see
the
officer
that
is
parked
there
every
day
right
because
I
know
I,
wouldn't
know
that
the
Envision
Hotel
was
happening
and
that
that's
not
again,
we
get
half
a
dozen
complaints.
We
get
them
cleaned
up.
People
make
complaints,
it
happens,
there
is
a
park
behind
The,
Envision
hotel,
and
so
we
have
the
issues
with
the
park
there,
but
I
just
want
to
be
an
advocate
for
the
decentralization
that
it
matters
and
the
issue
with
that
is
that
you
know
I.
B
Think
Michelle
Robinson
made
a
very
solid
point
about
this.
Being
a
racial
justice
issue
is
that
we
talk
about
decentralization.
We
talk
about
mass
and
cast
about
how
these
folks
are
all
down
in
Roxbury
and
in
the
South
End,
and
then
every
single
neighborhood
mounts
up
against
having
any
services
in
their
neighborhood
and
then
some
of
our
Council
colleagues
show
up
and
support
them
against
having
those
services
in
their
neighborhoods
right.
We
can't
have
it
both
ways.
B
It
is
a
shared
problem.
It's
not
just
a
shared
Regional
problem,
it's
a
shared
City
problem,
and
so
if
we
know
that
the
people
of
Roxbury,
who
are
black
and
brown
people,
immigrant
people,
low,
poor,
Working,
Class
People,
are
taking
up
the
brunt
of
this
problem
and
we're
going
to
say
decentralized,
Services
decentralized,
Services,
centralized
Services.
Where
are
you
going
to
put
them?
B
We
all
have
to
take
it
on
every
single
one
of
us
has
to
take
it
on.
We
can't
show
up
to
community
meetings
and
be
like
yeah.
We
don't
want
that
here
and
then
come
and
sit
here
and
say
that
we
that
whoa
well
Madison
cast
is
an
issue.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it
like?
We
have
to
actually
put
up
a
solution,
and
so
I
say
that
to
say
I
represent
a
very
different
District.
The
people
in
my
district
are
majority
white
District.
B
We
have
very
different
politics
than
a
lot
of
other
districts
and
I
understand
that
that
matters
I
understand
that
that
political
reality
matters
I,
think
that
the
people
in
my
district
are
more
partial
to
harm
reduction
than
therefore
might
be
more
welcoming
to
having
The
Envision
Hotel.
There
I
understand
that
I'm
not
saying
that
I
somehow
have
it
as
difficult
as
other
counselors
and
other
districts
and
other
neighborhoods
do
right.
B
It
is
much
easier
for
me
to
make
the
case
in
my
district
to
have
those
40
people
living
at
The,
Envision
Hotel,
it's
much
easier
for
me
to
respond
to
only
six
3-1-1
calls,
instead
of
a
hundred
in
a
neighborhood
right,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
get
on
a
high
horse
here
to
say
that
like
if
I
can
do
it,
everybody
can,
because
that's
not
true,
but
we
have
to
do
hard
work.
We
have
to
do
hard
work
and
it's
going
to
require
us
to
do
hard
work.
We're
almost
finished
here.
B
N
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
and
the
speakers
who
came
today
when
I
called
for
this
hearing.
I
did
want
to
bring
the
attention
to
Clifford
Park
and
the
neighbors
and
I'm
glad
we
did
that
today.
But,
as
we
know,
this
problem
is
growing,
it
hasn't
just
started
growing.
It's
been
growing
for
years.
President
Flynn
mentioned
his
concerns
at
moakley,
Park
Reverend
white
Hammond.
N
You
mentioned
Franklin
Park,
so
we
know
that
it's
not
just
in
this
area
oftentimes
Clifford
park
because
of
its
such
close
proximity
to
mass
and
cast
your
services
that
were
down
there
were
kind
of
diverted
over.
But
now
we
see
that
your
services
are
needed
in
lots
of
other
neighborhoods
around
the
city,
not
just
in
that
Pros
close
proximity
so
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
are
highlighting
Clifford
park
today,
but
as
I'm
leaving
here
I'm
thinking.
N
A
J
So
we
want
to
have
a
big
picture
of
where
the
resource
sources
are
and
be
really
strategic
about,
deploying
them
as
far
as
support
I
honestly,
like
talk
multiple
times
a
day
with
most
of
the
people
here
and
I
feel
like
if
I
reach
out
to
any
department
and
need
to
get
something
done,
I'm,
definitely
getting
that
support,
but
just
going
back
to
like
the
child.
That
was
pricked
yet
yesterday
or
a
couple
days
ago
at
Clifford
Park
one
one
is
too
many.
N
Yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
attention
needed
at
Clifford,
Park
and
I'm
hearing
today
and
have
been
hearing
that
we
need
more.
So,
if
you're
getting
a
call
and
you
we
know,
we
have
a
finite
amount
of
services.
You
mentioned
that
if
it's
the
day
of
the
marathon,
you
may
not
have
people
at
the
park
or
other
situations
like
that.
So
if
you
are
taking
your
resources
that
we
know
are
limited,
there's
a
cap
to
it
and
you're,
you
know
exporting
people
to
different
neighborhoods.
N
J
Yeah
I
mean
it
is
true
that
we
are
currently
making
those
trade-offs.
As
the
captain
said,
and
thank
you
to
the
captain
when
he
does
have
those
Staffing
shorts,
he
gives
us
a
heads
up,
so
we're
prepared
for
that
every
time.
As
far
as
the
cleanup,
it
is
true,
we
don't
have
a
stationary
person,
so
we
are
currently
making
those
trade-offs.
D
D
What's
going
to
be
the
give
and
take,
and
that's
why
I
asked
about
what
we've
learned
from
other
cities
and
what
are
some
of
the
big
bright
ideas
and
best
practices
that
are
happening
across
the
country
or
the
world
that
we
can
really
start
exploring
and
figuring
out?
What
is
what
can
we
do
here
and
what
the
role
is
of
everyone,
not
just
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
but
outside
of
this
space,
to
help
us
move
in
that
direction.
So
I
kind
of
want
to
end
with
my
question
that
it
did.
H
I
am
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
myself.
I
want
to
just
be
real,
but
it
is
a
conversation
I've
shared
with
people
and
it's
something
that
I've
been
praying
about.
I
really
do
you
think
we
need
to
have
a
deeper
conversation
about
safe
injection
I'm.
This
is
not
me,
the
administration
saying
what
the
policy
is,
but
I
I
think
people
should
have
a
place
to
go
well,
they
don't
have
to
put
their
lives
on
the
line
and
where
they're
not
choosing
any
any
sort
of
like
random
place.
H
H
People
are
in
a
bad
way
and
I
I
think
we've
got
to
be
willing
to
try
something
that
will
get
us
and
I
know.
I
I,
like
I,
know
that
people
are
concerned
about
it
and
I'm
not
saying
just
push
it
down,
but
this
is
mariama
the
individual
mariama,
the
pastor,
asking
a
question
about
something
that
both
helps
protect
people
but
also
doesn't
ask
our
children
to
be
right.
H
They
are
in
the
midst
of
it,
so
I'm
sure
Tanya
will
mention
many
other
things
I'm
just
telling
you
what's
on
my
heart
at
this
point
because
those
of
us
who
work
there
I
know
people
I
I,
know
people
feel
like
we
don't
care
but
like
it
is
tough
being
right
up
in
the
middle
of
it.
Sometimes
sometimes
you
just
see
people
and
they
look
broken
and
their
faces
remind
you
of
someone.
J
J
J
The
work
that
she's
done
in
previous
years
to
look
into
this
specific
policy
choice
and
say
that
we're
very
closely
watching,
what's
happening
in
New
York
as
the
first
city
in
the
United
States
to
do
this
in
a
I
guess
legally
sanctioned
way
partially,
and
obviously
we
have
the
cases
that
have
happened
in
Europe
for
decades.
At
this
point
in
Canada,
so
I
will
let
Jen
share
a
little
bit
about
the
previous
work,
just
understanding
all
of
the
Nuance
about
this
and
in
my
yeah
again
in
my
personal
capacity.
J
K
It
was
very
informative
and
educational
and
we
saw
them
in
all
different
settings
because,
obviously
the
harm
reduction
is
much
more
integrated
into
the
Healthcare.
System
saw
them
in
different
settings
in
shelters,
health,
health,
centers,
peer-led
ones,
like
I,
said
Public,
Health,
institutions
Etc.
So
we'll
continue
to
look
at
that.
We're
watching
Rhode
Island
we're
watching
Somerville
we're
watching
Philadelphia,
San,
Francisco,
Seattle
and
obviously
New
York
City,
which
is
the
first
in
in
the
US.
On
top
of
that,
you
know,
there's
other
interventions
that
we
we
work
with.
K
Actually,
the
coordinated,
Response,
Team
concept
of
this
sort
of
Central,
Command
I,
think
Lieutenant
Messina
and
the
street
Outreach
unit
Boston
fire
department,
myself
and
some
of
our
folks
went
to
Philadelphia
a
few
years
ago.
So
we
we
were
able
to
take
a
lot
more
trips
pre-covered,
but
we
are
talking
to
other
cities
and
sharing
best
practices.
We
get
called
a
lot
from
other
cities
around.
You
know
how
did
you,
how
did
you
launch
the
engagement
Center?
You
know
what
did
you
learn
from
that?
K
D
B
Q
To
First
also
echo
my
things
to
Reverend
mariama
white
Hammond,
because
I
think
that
every
time
that
I'm
in
the
area
and
that
folks
are
in
the
area,
I
just
think
about
the
Deep
Brokenness
of
people
and
I.
Think
about
the
reasons
why
there's
so
much
deep,
Brokenness
and
I
think
about
how
our
systems
continue
to
fail.
People
and
Our
obligation,
as
elected
officials
as
folks
working
in
the
administration
as
police
officers,
is
to
always
be
thinking
about.
How
do
we
help
heal
that
Brokenness
I?
Q
Think
that's
what
I
mentioned
in
the
first
end,
and
so
I
am
someone
who's
deeply
encouraged
by
the
moves
to
permanent
housing
by
the
moves
to
the
the
transitional
low
threshold
housing
because
I
think
that's
part
of
fixing
the
bigger
problems
right
that
we
have
and
it's
expensive.
But
that's
where
the
work
is
and
that's
where
the
compassion
is
required
and
I
also
support
a
permanent
stationary
cleanup
person
at
Clifford
park,
because
young
kids
shouldn't
be
stuck
with
needles
right
and
shouldn't
have
to
live
with
that
trauma.
Q
So
I
just
want
to
go
on
the
record
of
supporting
whatever
it
is
that
we
need
to
do
to
get
us
out
of
this
problem,
while
recognizing
that
these
problems
are
bigger
than
all
of
us,
that
these
problems
are
structural
and
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
us
being
uncomfortable
and
having
an
uncomfortable
conversations
that
are
sometimes
unpopular
and
that
are
sometimes
not
right
for
media.
If
it's
not
going
to
get
you
a
good,
sound
bite,
30
seconds
on
channel
7
or
whatever,
to
support
safe
injection
site.
Q
R
R
What
does
the
dashboard
exactly
does
if
there
are
plan
for
metrics
exactly?
How
will
you
based
out
on
evidence-based
or
best
practices?
Have
you
taken
a
look
at
the
research
from
Lisbon
Portugal,
and
what
do
you
think
of
that?
I
know
that
when
I
mentioned
it
to
you
natanya,
you
are
not
too
familiar
so
I'm.
R
What
is
the
population
Madison
cast?
I
know
you
guys
gave
me
this,
but
if
it's
in
a
report,
it's
better
for
me
to
compare
what
is
the
population
in
Nubian
Square?
What
is
the
population
on,
or
even
if
you'll
be
addressing
it
on
Blue
Hill
Avenue?
What
is
a
mess?
The
population
that
you're
addressing
in
Grove
Hall?
R
What
exactly
numbers
from
each
from
Nubian
Square
from
Madison
cast
from
Blue
Hill
Avenue
from
Clifford
Park?
Have
you
actually
entered
into
services
and
I
know
you
have
some
of
that,
but
maybe
not
for
Nubian
and
the
rest?
Actually,
no,
you
do
have
for
Nubian.
Where
again,
where
are
you
looking
to
decentralize
services
as
it
relates
in
compares
to
District
Seven?
Of
course,
what
would
you
do
differently?
Do
you
have
honest
suggestions
and
opinions
about?
R
R
How
often
oh
can
I
get
a
report
from
parks
in
terms
of
the
Clifford
Park
cleanup
plan?
How
often
do
you
clean
it
how
many
people
security
as
the
officers
broke
down
their
services
same
for
you?
If
I
can
get
sort
of
a
report
of
what's
happening
there?
The
collaboration
between
State
and
and
City
and.
R
R
This
is
my
district
I've
told
everybody
technically,
massingcast
is
not
my
district
technically
Clifford
Barcelona
District,
but
I
have
publicly
adopted
mass
and
cast
as
my
district
I
am
saying
that
it's
an
everybody
District
problem
and
so
I
want
to
understand
exactly
how
often
do
we
clean
mastercasts
if
the
state's
doing
it?
How
often
is
math,
is
the
state
doing
it.
How
often
same
for
the
Clifford
same
for
Nubian
Square
I
want
to
go
on
record
and
state
that
the
Nubian
Square
plan
or
task
force
has
been
partially
ineffective.
R
I
really
appreciate
Boston
Public
Health
commission
coming
in
and
collaborating
with
them
really
appreciate.
Mgh
collaborating
but
I've
been
in
those
meetings
that
are
highly
unqualified
people
that
are
shaming
the
victim
that
are
just
not
understanding
how
to
address
this
people
in
treatment.
Advocates
that
are
coming
in
and
being
hurt
by
their
statements.
We
really
need
to
look
at
that
and
I'm
interested
in
talking
again
to
The,
Advocates
and
everybody
else
on
the
panel.
My
next
conversation
obviously
is
going
to
be
about
aggregating.
R
All
of
this
data
I
can't
necessarily
even
understand
it
fully
unless
I
look
at
all
of
this
together
and
see
what's
happening,
and
so
that's
the
point
of
my
my
questions
today
and
hopefully,
I
will
follow
up
with
you.
We
have
I've
created
a
mass
and
Cass
and
Nubian
square
or
Roxbury
Roundtable
Marla
would
love
to
invite
you
to
that.
Would
love
to
collaborate
with
you
guys,
I'm,
not
thank
you
so
much
Madam.
B
Chair,
thank
you
and
just
just
to
be
clear
that
councilor,
Fernandez
Anderson
was
reading
the
questions
that
we're
going
to
submit
to
you
for
the
record
and
that
we're
going
to
send
those
and
you
can
respond
to
in
a
timely
fashion,
I
hope
to
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson.
We're
going
to
close
out
I
do
want
to
have
one
last
round
of
in
case
anybody
wants
to
make
any
statement.
Miss,
Marla
I
know
that
you
wanted
to
say
something
before
we
left
out
and
then
we'll
talk
to
the
rest
of
the
panelists.
G
G
That
said
a
noise
complaint
every
night
of
the
week
gets
a
little
wearying
when
you
don't
get
any
sleep,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
efforts
and
if
Lieutenant
Messina,
you
could
share
the
information
about
the
the
arrests
and
whatnot
with
the
council.
I
think
that
would
be
fantastic
because
I
know
I
appreciate
very
much
knowing
exactly
what's
going
on
when
you
summarize
it.
G
G
On
the
idea
of
we
can't
arrest
any
our
way
out
of
it.
We
know
that,
but
proposals,
defense,
the
kids
into
the
park,
sends
a
really
wrong
message
as
to
who
is
the
problem
here
and
I.
Don't
mean
problem
in
a
negative
way,
but
children
should
have
a
right
to
play
in
a
park.
Roll
in
the
leaves
make
snow
angels
do
all
those
things
and
right
now
they
can't
do
that
and
putting
up
a
fence,
that's
seven
feet.
Tall
and
locked
is
effectively
a
jail
to
children
and
that's
completely
wrong.
Our
kids
need
support.
G
G
G
What
do
we
do
about
individuals
who
lack
the
capacity
to
help
themselves?
I
mean
if
you
are
face
down
in
a
puddle
of
water
on
Mass
Ave,
you
don't
have
the
capacity
to
say,
I
think
I'd
like
to
go
into
treatment
you're
unconscious.
If
someone
is
narcaned
literally
back
to
life,
they're
allowed
to
just
walk
away
at
what
point
is
agency
the
option
to
self-direct
care
actually
neglect.
G
G
Many
of
you
are
here
some
hours
of
the
day.
Maybe
Monday
through
Friday,
the
residents
are
here:
365
7
24
and
we
are
exhausted
from
all
the
harm
reduction
at
mass
and
Cass
and
no
knock
to
that.
But
what
that
becomes
in
Clifford
Park
is
harm
creation,
as
evidenced
by
the
nine-year-old
child
who
was
hurt.
So
it's
not
always
harm
reduction
for
some
people.
G
It's
life-changing
a
28-day
course
of
drug
treatment,
an
upset
stomach
and
a
real
fear
of
being
in
the
park,
and
that's
a
horrible
thing
for
a
nine-year-old
kid
and
his
teammates
to
have
to
endure,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
today.
I
hope
that
we
can
all
come
together
and
work
on
this,
because
I
think
we
all
have
the
right
ideas
and
the
right
goals.
G
We
just
need
to
work
together
to
make
it
happen
and
stop
operating
in
silos
where
this
team
does
this
and
this
team
does
that,
and
they
don't
know
what
each
other
are
doing
so
I'm
more
than
happy
to
work
with
all
of
you
and
I.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
and
I
hope
you
all
have
a
good
rest
of
the
day.
Thank.
B
You
so
much
Marla
for
coming
and
for
all
you'll,
be
your
insight
into
what's
happening
at
Clifford
Park,
but
also
for
being
solution.
Oriented
I
think
that
you
have
given
us
very
clear
Direction
and
we
would
be
remiss
to
not
pay
attention
to
what
you've
given
us.
I
just
want
to
offer
in
case
anybody
from
the
administration
wants
to
say
anything
before
we
close
out
all
right
beautiful.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
coming.
Thank
you
to
the
main
sponsors
and
this
hearing
is
adjourned.