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From YouTube: Environment, Resiliency & Parks on Docket #0718
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Docket #0718 - Hearing to discuss the phases of implementing net-zero-carbon requirements for all new buildings in the City of Boston
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,.
A
A
I
don't
have
nearly
as
nice
of
a
backdrop
as
chief
cook,
so.
C
A
Well,
thank
you.
We
are
we're
very
lucky
and
she's
very
happy
and
it's
great
it's
hard
to
have
a
pregnancy
and
a
beautiful
new
baby
and
pandemic.
But
it's
been
she's
been
pretty
special,
so
yeah.
C
D
Debbie
in
our
office
debbie
glennon
and
give
birth
to
a
beautiful
baby
girl.
Oh
great,
I
don't
know
when
I
don't
know
when
she
arrived,
but
she
arrived
in
the
last
24
hours.
But
I
got
a
text
to
say,
but
she
came
in
a
little
early,
but
here
she
is
no
name.
B
E
D
Another
one,
a
little
one
in
your
constant
and
your
and
your
district.
A
A
A
Just
the
sign-in
sheet
got
it
yeah,
perfect
and
okay
and
who
signed
in
first
liz
or
eddie
or
who
showed
up
first.
D
It
might
have
been
me,
but
I'm
not
going
to
fight
with
ed
if
he
if
he
wants
to
go
first,
we
don't
have
to
duke
or
die
for
ever
whoever
go.
Whoever
you
choose.
A
All
right:
well,
we
will.
I
will
use
my
water
bottle
to
officially
gavel
in
this
hearing.
A
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
it's
great
to
see
so
many
faces
and
great
colleagues
that
have
worked
in
this
important
vital
space
over
the
last
number
of
years.
For
those
watching,
my
name
is
matt
o'malley,
I'm
the
boston
city
council
for
district
6,
and
I
am
proud
to
chair
the
city
council's
committee
on
environment,
sustainability
and
parks.
A
Public
hearing
before
us
today
is
being
recorded
and
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city-council-tv.
Additionally,
it
is,
will
be
rebroadcast
on
xfinity
channel
8,
rcn
channel
82,
as
well
as
verizon
fios
channel
964..
We
will
take
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
If
you
wish
to
testify
via
video
conference,
please
email,
shane.pac,
that's
s-h-a-n-e
dot,
p-a-c
at
boston.gov
to
sign
up
when
you
are
called,
please
state
your
name
and
affiliation
or
residence,
and
limit
your
comments
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
to
ensure
that
all
commenters
can
be
heard.
A
In
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
the
phases
of
implementing
net
zero
carbon
requirements
for
all
new
buildings
in
the
city
of
boston,
I
have
been
looking
forward
to
this
hearing
for
quite
some
time.
It
really
is
the
culmination
of
years
of
work
with
some
really
incredible
advocates
and
I
am
always
hesitant
to
start
naming
them,
because
inevitably
I
will
name
some
off,
but
suffice
it
to
say.
A
This
work
is
so
incredibly
important.
This
work
is
so
incredibly
timely.
We
know
that
is
we're
dealing
with
this
climate
crisis.
If
we
truly
want
to
reach
our
lofty
but
needed
goals
of
lowering
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
we
must
begin
with
buildings
nearly
two
thirds
of
all
greenhouse
gas
emissions
come
from
our
buildings
in
the
city
of
boston.
Now
we've
been
able
to
do
some
really
incredible
work
in
the
space,
not
the
least
of
which
was
signing
our
executive
order,
signed
by
the
mayor's
executive
order.
A
That
came
about
through
our
action
they'll
mandate,
that
all
new
municipal
buildings
will
be
net
zero
carbon.
We
need
to
take
it
to
the
next
step
with
some
new
buildings
we're
going
to
get
into
specifically
some
of
the
really
important
proposals
that
are
before
us
now,
making
sure
that
we
can
be
as
bold
and
aggressive
and
quick
in
implementing
these.
A
We
also
need
to
look
at
some
what
some
other
cities
are
doing
around
the
country
and
certainly
around
the
globe.
Just
last
week
in
san
francisco,
it
was
voted
to
ban
all
natural
gas
and
new
buildings,
starting
in
june
of
2021
they're
building
operations
responsible
for
43.7
of
their
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
which
is
probably
sixty
percent
of
what
ours
are
ours,
are
significantly
higher.
A
As
I
said
it's
about
three
quarters,
the
threat
of
climate
change
is
already
a
reality
that
our
global
community
experiences-
nine
million
people
die
every
year
from
air
pollution
alone.
Climate
change
will
impact
the
city
inequitably
as
well
with
increasing
heat
islands
and
extreme
weather
events.
Communities
of
color
in
urban
areas
of
massachusetts
are
exposed
to
more
indoor
and
outdoor
air
pollution
and
suffer
disproportionately
from
diseases
associated
with
air
pollution,
including
asthma
and
chronic
obstructive
pulmonary
disease.
A
Copd,
the
unequal
levels
of
environmental
hazards
from
carbon
emissions
disproportionately
increases
the
level
of
respiratory
illnesses
as
well
as
autoimmune
diseases.
This
is
being
absolutely
exacerbated
by
the
pandemic,
which
we
currently
find
ourselves
in
populations
with
prolonged
exposure
to
have
have
a
median
diminished
life
expectancy
of
up
to
30
years.
As
I
said,
this
is
especially
concerning
amidst
the
pandemic
of
an
illness
that
can
impact
the
respiratory
system.
A
We
all
agree
with
the
mayor's
goal
of
carbon
neutrality,
and
every
policy
decision
should
be
done
through
the
lens
of
environmental
justice
and
that's
why
I'm
so
glad
to
learn
that
all
new,
affordable
housing
constructed
funded
by
the
city
must
meet
carbon
neutral
performance
standards
standards,
including
the
30
million
dollars
in
new,
affordable
housing
funding
for
boston
to
accelerate.
In
this
climate
space.
A
We
need
to
not
just
exercise
the
political
will
to
make
these
investments,
but
the
partnerships
in
the
private
sector
to
make
it
happen
today,
we'll
be
hearing
from
advocates
and
experts
that
implementing
ncc
building
standards
does
not
have
to
mean
upfront
costs
and
about
why
ncc
buildings
are
critical
not
only
to
the
environment
but
to
ensuring
environmental
justice
and
equity.
A
I
am
so
grateful
for
this
opportunity,
I'm
so
grateful
to
hear
about
some
of
the
exciting
work
happening
at
the
city
level,
as
well
as
looking
at
some
other
best
practices
that
we
can
emulate.
A
I
am
more
hopeful
now
than
I
think
I
have
been
in
a
long
time,
and
I
think
many
people
would
agree
with
that.
While
we
have
had
and
are
living
through
one
of
the
most
difficult
years,
certainly
in
in
most
of
our
lifetime,
there
is
an
awful
lot
of
hope
and
optimism
to
share
going
forward.
There's
so
much
that
we
have
to
do
as
a
city
there's
so
much.
We
have
to
do
as
a
country
as
we
rebuild
in
a
post-pandemic
world.
A
A
I
am
exceptionally
grateful
to
all
of
our
speakers
that
we
will
hear
from
later
today
before
we
get
to
the
first
panel
from
the
administration
I'd
like
to
offer
my
colleagues
and
government
an
opportunity
just
for
a
quick
opening
statement,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
ground
to
cover
and
I
will
go
in
order,
beginning
with
my
dear
kit
colleague
and
friend,
and
someone
who's
worked
very
hard
and
passionately
in
this
space
for
as
long
as
I've
known
her,
which
is
now
16
years.
D
Thank
you
councillor
mally,
mr
chair.
I
really
appreciate
this
the
opportunity
to
hear
all
that's
going
to
be
offered
to
us
this
afternoon
in
terms
of
net
zero
carbon
construction.
D
I
think
it
is
the
big,
the
big
area
that
we
really
need
to
tackle
urgently,
and
I'm
also
very
hopeful,
as
you
are,
that
there's
so
much
new
technology
and
new
building
technology
and
new
building
methods
that
are
making
this
reachable
it's
making
it
achievable,
and
it
also
makes
it
economically
viable
that
over
the
long
term,
it
is
actually
more
more
fiscally
fiscally
doable
and
economically
viable
to
to
do
a
net
zero
carbon
building
because
it
lowers
costs
over
the
long
term.
D
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
braden,
and
I
would
ask
if
I
I
know,
counselor
flynn
is
next,
but
shane
or
kerry.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
just
texting
me
the
order
of
counselors
that
would.
I
would
very
much
appreciate
that.
So
thank
you
and
now
like
to
recognize
someone
else.
Who's
really
been
dedicated
to
this.
My
dear
colleague
and
friend,
the
district
council
from
south
boston,
the
south
and
chinatown
bay
village,
councilor
flynn.
You
have
the
floor.
G
I
also
know
that
the
boston
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
our
buildings,
so
it's
important
that
we
have
buildings
that
are
energy
efficient
carbon
neutral,
so
that
we
can
be
begin
to
limit
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
I
also
know
that
mayor
walsh
has
already
issued
the
executive
order,
as
you
mentioned,
requiring
all
new
municipal
buildings,
construction
to
be
low,
energy
fought
and
fossil
fuel
free.
G
This
is
a
great
step
forward
and
it
would
be
great
to
get
an
update
on
how
this
has
been
going
and
what
our,
what
what
we
can't
expand
on
it
and
then
finally,
I'd
just
like
to
acknowledge
the
work
of
chris
cook
and
richard
mcguinness
for
working
tirelessly
on
the
on
these
issues,
and
before
I
came
to
the
city
council,
I
wasn't
engaged
in
this
topic
all
that
much,
and
so
I
had
a
great
learning
experience.
G
I'm
listening
to
chris
into
richard
talking
about
the
importance
of
environmental
issues,
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
chris
and
richard
for
their
work
that
they're
doing
in
the
city
of
boston.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
o'malley.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
flynn,
and
thank
you
central
staff
for
sending
me
the
order
you
had
prevent.
You
had
presented
it
earlier
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
had
missed
it.
So
thank
you
for
that
to
shane
and
kerry
and
jessica
from
the
chair
now
recognize.
Nice
is
another
climate
champion,
the
district
council
from
matapan
councillor
campbell.
You
have
the
floor.
H
Thank
you,
council,
o'malley
and,
of
course,
thank
you
for
your
continued
leadership
on
all
of
these
issues.
All
things
green
also,
thank
you
to
the
advocates
as
well,
and
thank
you,
of
course,
to
the
administration,
who
is
equally
passionate
about
these
issues.
I
also
want
to
just
you
know,
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
lift
it
up
in
your
opening
comments,
communities
of
color
right
who
obviously
are
experiencing
environmental
injustices
every
single
day.
They
might
use
different
terminology,
so
they
probably
you
know
they
may
say
d,
carbon
carbon.
H
What,
but
you
say,
gas
leaks,
you
say
lead,
you
say
air
pollution,
you
say,
asthma,
etc.
They
get
it
and
we
often
have
to
remind
them
that
climate
change
affects
them
too,
and
that
all
of
the
issues
in
which
we're
talk
that
we're
talking
about
now
particularly
related
to
health
care
disparities,
as
well
as
the
devastating
effect
of
cobalt
19
on
communities
of
color
because
of
these
health
care
disparities
which
come
about
because
of
environmental
issues
in
environmental
injustices.
H
It's
all
related,
so
I
think
in
this
moment
in
time
this
is
an
opportunity
for
all
of
us
to
be
more
intentional
in
reaching
out
to
communities
of
color
to
residents
of
color,
as
we
do
as
we
see
sort
of
movement
building
with
respect
to
black
lives
matter,
racial
injustice,
you
name
it
and
so
been
really
pushing
for
that.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
naming
that
in
the
beginning
of
your
opening
remarks
and
your
intentionality
there
and
again,
thank
you
to
everyone.
H
Looking
forward
to
the
conversation,
oh,
I
have
one
flag
because
it's
out
of
your
it's
from
your
team,
I
just
learned
that
our
award
fellow
gracie,
I
think,
is
testifying
on
panel
two
so
shout
out
to
her
and
thank
you
jessica
for
letting
us
know
and
a
shout
out
to
chloe
from
my
team
for
all
of
the
extensive
research
she
did
with
respect
to
this
hearing.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
concert
campbell.
Thank
you
for
those
very
kind
remarks.
You
know
I'm
going
to
be
repetitive
here,
but
it
really
is
true.
A
I
I
would
argue
that
every
member
of
this
body
is
a
true
climate
champion
from
some
of
our
more
seasoned
and
long-serving
members
such
as
myself
to
certainly
our
newer
members
as
well,
and
the
next
newer
member
has
really
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
used
really
the
budget
process
to
explore
many
of
these
issues,
so
counselor
kenzie,
bach
from
beacon
hill
back
bay
mission
hill.
Welcome
please
the
floor
is
yours.
I
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
indeed,
for
your
leadership
here
and
everyone
we're
gonna
hear
from
today.
I
I've
been
excited
to
be
in
conversation
with
d
d,
about
their
new
standards
for
affordable
housing,
and
I
think
it's
so
important
for
us
to
lead
in
that
sector
and
just
overall
for
us
to
for
us
to
get
where
we're
trying
to
go
in
terms
of
our
carbon
neutrality
goals.
Right.
I
We've
got
to
have
a
plan
for
our
building
stock,
our
new
building
stock
and
also
retrofits,
and
that's
a
conversation
for
another
day.
I
But
I
think
that
it's
really
exciting
to
see
the
city
expanding
from
expanding
from
municipal
buildings,
into
this
broader
section
of
buildings
and-
and
certainly
I
think
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
good
year
of
conversation
on
the
council
and
with
the
administration
about
how
to
put
our
zoning
code
to
use
for
good,
and
I
think
you
know
we're
talking
about
that
on
the
fair
housing
side.
And
here
we're
talking
about
it
on
the
environmental
side.
I
And
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
you
know
boston
has
made
major
strides
before
in
terms
of
enshrining
environmental
considerations
into
zoning
where
they
weren't
before
and
recognizing
that
critical
nexus,
with
public
health
and
public
welfare
and
and
really
thinking
like
like
counselor,
campbell
and
o'malley.
Both
said
you
know
about
the
people
who
are
disproportionately
affected
by
the
choices
we
make
about
the
built
environment,
something
that
we're
seeing
play
out
every
day
with
covid.
So
I'm
really
excited
for
this.
I
Conversation
obviously
was
talking
yesterday
about
conservation
corps
and
I
think
there's
lots
of
nexis
here,
but
here
I'm
here
today
to
learn
and
just
appreciate
your
leadership.
Mr
chairman,
thanks
thank.
A
You
counselor
bach
and
finally,
our
last
speaker
for
this
first
round
will
be
our
council
president,
someone
who
has
spent
countless
hours
with
me
sort
of
discussing
ways
that
we
can
really
focus
on
that
intentionality
as
it
relates
to
work
and
climate
she's
really
committed
to
the
cause.
I'm
very
grateful
for
her
leadership
council
president
kim
jamie
the
floor
is
now
yours.
Thank.
J
You
so
much
mr
chair,
and
I'm
really
grateful
for
your
leadership.
You
have
been
a
champion
on
all
things
green
and
we
all
stand
to
learn
from
your
advocacy.
I'm
also
wanna
just
thank
the
the
panel
here
and
and
and
the
mayor
for
its
commitment
to
climate
justice
issues
and
making
sure
that
we're
doing
everything.
We
can
certainly
appreciate
that
all
municipal
buildings
going
forward
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
to
see
how
we
can
go
back
and
make
sure
that
we're
doing
all
we
can.
J
You
know
counselor
campbell
already
mentioned
that
this
is
an
environmental
justice
issue.
For
me,
it's
very
much
connected
to
the
black
and
brown
agenda.
It's
not
that
communities
of
color
are
impacted
too.
It's
that
they're
disproportionately
impacted,
so
not
only
are
they
impacted,
but
they're
disproportionately
impacted
and
some
of
the
questions
that
I
hope
to
see
answers
to
in
this
is
around
cost.
J
I
think
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
cost
and
I
don't
know
what's
real
and
what's
not
real,
because
you
hear
from
both
sides
you
hear
from
advocates
who
say
it's
not
going
to
cost
us
more.
You
hear
from
other
folks
who
think
it
will
so
I
just
want
to
understand
cost
comparisons.
J
I
want
to
understand
how
that
will
impact
the
few
developers
of
color
who
are
in
this
all
development
teams,
but
certainly
development
teams
of
color
and
also
how
it
might
impact
housing
cost
in
our
city.
I
do
apologize,
mr
chair,
if
I
have
to
step
in
and
out,
I
do
have
some
other
things
going
on
here,
but
I
hope
to
see
answers
within
the
presentation
to
some
of
those
questions
again,
I'm
grateful
for
your
leadership
in
the
space
and
certainly
to
all
my
other
colleagues
and
hoping
that
we
will
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
president.
Finally,
I
wanted
to
thank
counselor
lydia
edwards,
the
district
one
city
council,
representing
east
boston,
charlestown
the
north
end.
Obviously,
coastal
communities
have
been
very
impacted
by
some
of
the
weather
events
caused
by
climate
change
and
someone
who
gets
it
has
really
delved
deeply
into
this.
This
work
and
these
issues
and
has
been
a
terrific
partner.
A
She
has
waived
her
right
for
an
opening
statement,
but
she
is
on
the
call
as
well
on
the
zoom
call
as
well,
so
thank
you,
counselor
edwards,
so
I'd
like
to
get
started
with
the
first
panel
right
now,
beginning
with
chief
chris
cook
of
the
city's
environment
department.
I
see
rich
mcguinness
as
well
is
here
from
the
bpda
of
course,
chief
sheila
dillon
from
the
department
of
neighbor
development,
jessica,
boatwright
from
I'm
sorry,
mr
bha
or
your
dnd
as
well.
A
You
you
work
with
clxd
as
well.
Sorry,
so
I
believe
you,
four
individuals
are
our
first
panel,
so
I
don't
know
chief
cook
or
chief
dylan,
who
wants
to
sort
of
start
us
off.
Okay,
chief
cook,
do
you
want
to
just
do
a
brief
opening
throw
to
your
team
for
brief
openings,
then
we'll
get
into
some
questions
and
answers,
and
really
I
want
this
more
of
a
dialogue.
A
So
if
we
can
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
recognizing
that
the
onus
is
more
on
us
as
elected
officials,
but
please
proceed.
Thank
you.
Chief
cook.
K
A
K
That's
perfect.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
thanks
for
the
invitation
to
testify
this
afternoon
with
my
colleagues
on
a
critical
component
of
the
walsh
administration's
climate
action
policies
to
work
towards
a
healthier
future
for
boston
and
a
more
efficient,
cleaner
built
environment
as
a
national
climate
meter,
leader
mayor
walsh's,
commitment
to
boston,
achieving
carbon
neutrality
by
2050
has
led
our
team
to
identify
road
maps
and
implement
strategies
to
significantly
reduce
boston's
carbon
emissions
across
all
areas
of
our
city,
but
particularly
within
the
public
and
private
building
sectors.
K
I'd
like
to
thank
here,
boston's
green
ribbon
commission,
especially
the
co-chairs
amy
longsworth,
amy,
longsworth
and
john
cleveland
for
being
such
dedicated
partners
and
supporters
of
our
climate
vision
and
policy
development.
As
you
said
at
the
top
of
the
hearing,
counselor
o'malley.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
all
the
advocates
who
have
been
participating
in
all
of
our
public
processes,
especially
the
commission's
carbon-free
boston
report,
which
informed
and
began
a
transparent
process
on
how
the
city
can
equitably
implement
decarbonization
strategies
moving
forward.
K
Those
advocates
pushed
and
worked
with
us
in
leading
a
strong,
bold
2019
climate
action
plan,
update,
which
was
released
in
december
of
last
year,
which
identified
seven
strategies
to
achieve
carbon
neutrality
by
2050
and
uphold
the
tenets
of
the
paris
climate
agreement.
We
take
this
commitment
seriously
and
we
have
taken
this
opportunity
to
lead
by
example.
K
As
you
know,
in
partnership
with
the
council,
mayor
walsh
signed
an
executive
order
requiring
all
new
municipal
billions
to
target
a
zero
net
carbon
standard.
We
also
want
to
know
that
this
means
that
all
of
our
buildings
will
be
designed
to
be
highly
energy
efficient.
They
will
optimize
on-site,
renewable
energy
and
prioritize
fossil
fuel
free
combustion.
K
The
ordinance
will
not
only
drive
towards
meeting
our
emissions
goals,
but
also
better
utilize
taxpayer
dollars
to
create
better
buildings
for
all
the
benefit.
One
great
example
of
this
is
the
upcoming
boston
public
health
commission's
engagement
center,
which
will
be
a
hundred
percent
electric
and
includes
solar
energy
tying
together.
K
Both
our
public
health
goals
and
our
sustainability
goals
to
be
healthy
in
boston
means
a
carbon-free
boston,
the
department
of
neighborhood
development,
leading
by
example,
and
who
we
will
hear
from
more
in
depth
later
released
zero
net
carbon,
affordable
housing,
design,
design
standards
that
will
benefit
the
lives
of
residents
affecting
first
affected
first
and
also
worst
by
climate
change.
This
is
a
direct
result
of
the
strong
leadership
by
my
fellow
cabinet
member
sheila
dillon,
and
we're
very
grateful
to
her
entire
team,
some
of
whom
we'll
be
hearing
from
today.
K
We
are
confident
that
working
with
the
boston
planning
and
development
agency,
our
municipal
buildings,
what
you'll
hear
from
dnd
that
there
is
a
rich
market
for
zero
net
carbon
buildings,
new
zero
net
carbon
buildings,
moving
forward
in
the
city
of
boston.
Anyone
who
wants
to
fully
understand
this
can
just
go
down
the
street
to
boston
university
and
see
where
they
are
building
a
19-story,
fossil
fuel-free
building
powered
by
geothermal.
K
However,
our
standard
will
be
needed
to
cut
carbon
emissions,
both
through
energy
efficiency
and
retrofits
and
existing
buildings.
Again.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
impact
those
who
are
most
affected
by
climate
change
in
a
positive
way
if
we
can
connect
people
of
color
and
people
from
socially
vulnerable
populations
into
those
energy
retrofits
of
those
existing
buildings.
K
My
colleagues
that
you'll
be
hearing
from
represent
the
department
of
neighborhood
development
and
the
boston
planning
and
development
agency.
My
testimony
and
the
technical
expertise
that
you'll
be
hearing
from
today
was
largely
generated
by
the
environment
department.
They've
continued
all
of
these
goals:
carbon
neutrality,
public
housing,
equitable
redevelopment
of
our
city.
K
During
the
midst
of
this
crisis,
that's
in
addition
to
volunteering
to
giving
food
out
to
housing,
people
in
emergency,
shelters
and
standing
up
emergency
hospitals,
those
same
city
employees
all
while
dealing
with
the
stresses
of
the
pandemic
themselves,
and
so
it
is
always
an
honor
to
work
for
the
city
of
boston.
But
right
now,
at
this
time,
in
the
midst
of
this
crisis,
it
is
especially
an
honor
and
to
be
working
with
these
same
people
who
haven't
lost
sight
of
the
goal
that
just
like
we
all
had
to
work
collectively
during
covet
19.
K
We
all
have
to
work
collectively
on
climate
change.
That's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
achieve
carbon
neutrality.
It's
an
honor
and
privilege
to
work
with
my
colleagues,
so
counselor.
Would
you
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
jessica
boatwright
from
the
department
of
neighborhood
development,
but
that's
at
your
discretion.
Of
course,.
A
Of
course
no,
and
thank
you
for
those
remarks
and-
and
I
I
echo
much
of
what
you
said
chief
cook
and
miss
boatwright-
please,
the
floor
is
yours.
L
Thank
you,
jessica,
boatwright,
I'm,
the
deputy
director
for
neighborhood
housing
development
at
dnd,
thanks
for
having
me,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
if
they
could
put
the
slides
up,
we
have
a
couple
of
slides
to
show
you
it'll
be
more
interesting
than
looking
at
me.
I
think
if
we
can
get
them
up.
L
L
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
just
quickly
wanted
to
say
you
know,
we've
long
advocated
for
sustainable
and
green
buildings,
so
this
really
was
a
natural
next
step
in
that
work.
On
the
slide,
you
see
a
couple
of
examples
of
the
green
buildings
programs
that
we've
worked
on
and
our
e-positive
homes
on
the
right
is
wensley
street
and
fisher
avenue,
which
is
a
project
that
actually
ended
up
being
a
model
for
the
zero
mission
study.
I'm
going
to
talk
about
on
the
next
slide.
L
It
was
a
participatory
research
project
that
we
did
with
the
environment
department
with
colleagues
with
support
from
colleagues
at
bpda
and
other
city
agencies
and
a
consulting
team
led
by
place,
taylor
and
thornton
thomasetti,
and
the
goal
was
to
explore
the
potential
of
requiring
all
city
funded
new
construction
to
be
zero
emissions
ready
today.
So
there
were
three
major
goals:
one
was
to
illustrate
the
potential
for
zero
mission,
building
design
and
construction
for
multiple
building
types.
L
L
We
engaged
developers,
architects,
contractors,
community
advocates
and
green
building
experts
to
inform
and
review
our
work
multiple
times
throughout
the
study,
and
we
began
the
study
over
the
summer.
We
look
at
new
projects
for
funding
every
year
in
september,
so
for
last
year's
fall
funding
awards.
What
we
asked
was
for
projects
to
volunteer
voluntarily
strive
for
zero
emissions
building
standards
and
we
gave
preference
to
those
projects,
but
we
didn't
make
it
a
requirement
across
the
whole
portfolio
until
this
year.
We
wanted
to
release
the
study
first,
if
you
go
to
the
next
study.
L
The
next
slide
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
building
types
and
and
the
the
areas
of
carbon
impact
that
we
focused
on.
So
so,
what
you
see
is
we
look.
We
grouped
the
kinds
of
developments
that
we
fund
into
smaller
three-story,
multi-family,
larger
three-story
buildings,
four
to
five
story
buildings
and
then
six
plus
buildings,
six
stories
plus-
and
we
looked
at
thermal
bridge,
free
and
optimized
insulation.
We
looked
at
passive
cooling,
air,
tightness,
heat
exchange,
ventilation
and
rooftop
photovoltaic.
L
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
consulting
team
reviewed
project
in
dnd
project
inventory,
alongside
actual
zero
emissions,
residential
projects
that
are
that
are
under
construction
or
existing
right
now.
It
confirmed
our
suspicions
that
we
are
ready
to
require
all
buildings
to
be
zero
emissions
ready
right
now
next
slide.
L
So
this
is
what
we
found
out.
As
I
said,
zero
emissions
buildings
are
possible
now
they
are
not
expensive
to
build.
Our
case.
Studies
showed
that
total
construction
costs
increase,
is
2.5
percent
or
less
before
rebates
and
then
with
rebates.
Buildings
are
potentially
less
expensive
than
standard
construction
and
they
also
reduce
energy
usage
in
operations
between
30
and
100,
which
means
that
operating
costs
go
down.
L
We
used
a
a
best
practice
path
to
achieve
zero
emissions
goals,
which
is
shown
in
the
study.
The
requirements
are
prescriptive,
but
they
require
they
provide
some
flexibility
for
performance-based
compliance
for
certain
kinds
of
buildings.
L
It
was
released
in
march,
so
we
immediately
after
that
began
working
on
updating
our
design
standards
so
that
all
projects
applying
for
dnd
funding
from
this
year
right
now
going
forward
need
to
demonstrate
that
they
are
either
zero
emissions
or
zero
missions
ready.
Just
to
give
you
a
scope
of
of
how
many
projects
that's
going
to
impact.
Last
year
we
were
able
to
award
68
million
dollars
to
19
projects
across
the
city.
We
are
currently
reviewing
23
projects,
so
so
pretty
large
impact
going
forward.
L
What
we're
seeing
in
this
current
funding
round
is
that
the
resulting
proposals
that
have
responded
to
our
call
for
funding
applications
for
zero
emissions
buildings,
it's
very
promising
developers
are
working
with
us
to
meet
these
standards
and
so
far
it
does
not
appear
that
there
are
any
significant
cost
increases,
and
so
now
that
we're
looking
at
all
these
new
construction
buildings,
we
have
already
started
phase
two
with
the
environment
department,
which
is
outreaching
to
affordable
housing
owners
and
developers
to
begin
a
plan
for
requirements
for
zero
emissions,
both
for
renovation
and
for
retrofitting
existing
buildings.
L
So
we're
not
done
we're
really
really
excited
about.
What's
happened
but
also
looking
forward
to
the
next
phase
of
work,
and
I
just
want
to
mention
that
my
colleagues,
john
forback
and
jay
lee
who
oversaw
this
work,
are
here
as
well
as
a
taylor,
travis
anderson
from
place,
taylor,
who
headed
our
our
consulting
team
and
myself,
and
the
three
of
them
are
all
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Great.
Thank
you
so
much
jessica
appreciate
that.
K
The
counselor
we
also
have
rich
mcguinness
and
john
delzell
from
the
boston
planning
and
development
agency.
If
that's
all
right,
please.
Thank
you,
sir.
B
Thank
you,
councillor,
o'malley.
Thank
you
chief
cook,
thanks.
You
counselor
o'malley
for
championing
this
critical
kind
of
threshold
for
the
city
of
boston,
the
timing's
perfect
as
we're
starting
our
zero
net
carbon
zoning
process,
public
process
that
kicked
off
in
september.
I
just
shout
out
to
councillor
edwards,
who
has
helped
the
suffolk
downs
and
the
bunker
hill
housing
project,
achieve
better
standards.
B
Councillor
flynn
with
401
congress
street,
so
just
a
short
summation
before
john
delson
kind
of
kicks
in
our
goal
is
to
update
the
existing
green
building
zoning
policy
to
include,
assessing
and
fully
mitigating
new
building
carbon
emissions.
B
Zero
net
carbon
policy
focuses
on
three
distinct
practice:
areas:
low
carbon
buildings,
on-site
renewable
energy,
generate
generation
and
off-site
renewable
energy
generation
and
procurement
of
carbon
credits.
I'm
my
title
is
the
director
deputy
director
for
climate
change
and
environmental
planning
back
in
2016
when
climate
ready
boston
came
out,
mayor
walsh,
made
sure
that
every
city
department,
including
the
bpda,
had
climate
change
built
into
their
kind
of
operations?
B
And
that's
what
I
do.
I
oversee
the
challenges
of
climate
change
in
our
planning
initiatives
and
incorporating
it
into
zoning.
So
that's
storm
water
management,
sea
level,
rise,
heat
island
effect
and
reducing
carbon
emissions.
You
know
we're
focusing
on
zoning
because
we
cannot
focus
on
building
code.
We
have
to
be
really
careful
where
we
can't
specifically
require
developer
to
do
things,
but
we
can
set
the
performance
standards.
We
can
really
set
the
thresholds
and
that's
what
we
intend
to
do
in
this
process.
It's
similar
to
our
sea
level
rise
overlay
district.
B
Where
we're
mapping
out
where
the
city
will
flood
in
the
future
and
have
target
elevations
base
flood
elevations
and
design
flood
elevations.
We
can't
tell
a
developer
exactly
what
to
do
to
protect
their
building,
but
we
have
to.
We
can
set
those
target
elevations
and
they
have
to
demonstrate
to
us
how
those
projects
will
be
protected.
So
it's
really
balancing
the
distinction
between
zoning
and
building
code
and
I
want
to
introduce
john
delzell
who's,
our
senior
architect
for
sustainable
development,
that's
managing
our
cnc
effort
and
he
can
get
into
greater
details.
B
A
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilor.
If
you
could
bring
up
the
powerpoint
again,
I
will
briefly
walk
through
just
a
few
examples
of
the
policy.
M
While
the
powerpoint
is
being
put
up
again,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
convening
this
group
as
well
as
your
previous
committee
convenings.
I
think
if
we
could
scroll
ahead
a
couple
of
slides
next,
please
great.
Let's
stop
here
for
a
moment.
M
Our
work
on
zero
net
building
zoning
actually
began
right
after
the
climate
action
plan,
update
was
released.
We
initiated
that
with
research
and
analysis
work
to
better
understand
what
was
potentially
available
to
us
nationally
and
locally.
We
also
began
stakeholder
outreach
back
in
the
summer
so
that
we
were
in
touch
with
our
leading
practitioners,
as
well
as
the
the
folks
most
impacted
by
these
changes.
This
also
included
our
local
advocates.
M
Next,
I'm
sorry
excuse
me.
On
september
30th,
we
formally
launched
the
initiative
with
a
public
meeting.
It
was
actually
an
amazingly
well-attended
meeting.
There
were
over
400
registrants
and
over
200
attendees
that
I
think,
has
been
one
of
our
largest
virtual
public
meetings
to
date
and
then
last
yesterday
afternoon,
we
in
fact
launched
our
technical
advisory
group
phase.
This
is
a
much
more
detailed
analysis
on,
in
this
case,
low
carbon
building
performance.
M
As
I
mentioned,
we
begin
with
research
and
analysis
we're
supported
by
the
new
building
institute,
which
is
a
national
organization
championing
low-carbon
and
low-energy
buildings
and
zero
net
buildings.
At
this
point,
we
also
had
the
support
of
architecture
2030,
which
has
been
leading
practices
around
zero
energy
codes
and
how
to
incorporate
renewable
energy
procurement
standards.
M
Next,
I
just
wanted
to
draw
from
some
of
the
example
some
of
the
current
projects
as
examples
of
how
wrapping
up
to
these
new
policies
is
already
impacting
projects
in
boston
and
again,
thank
you
to
council
edwards
for
her
champion
of
affordable
housing
with
the
suffolk
downs
project,
as
well
as
mitigating
their
environmental
impacts.
M
M
We
wanted
to
mention
and
highlight
some
of
our
more
complex
buildings
and,
as
you're
probably
aware,
there's
a
number
of
buildings
that
are
focusing
on
lab
and
research
and
development
uses.
M
These
are
some
of
the
heaviest
energy
user
buildings
that
we
see
coming
into
boston,
but
even
in
these
cases
we
are
seeing
some
remarkable
outcomes,
so
401
congress
street
I've
put
up
a
couple
of
key
indicators:
the
energy
use
intensity
as
a
measure
we
typically
look
at
for
buildings
and
then
newly
a
carbon
emission
intensity
factor,
which
is
something
we'll
be
tracking
going
forward,
reflecting
our
policy
goals.
Here
too,
this
project
is
including
148
kilowatts
of
solar
panels
on
the
rooftop
and
will,
in
fact
be
generating
a
fair
amount
of
energy
right
on
site.
M
M
A
few
more
examples
of
where
we're
seeing
remarkable
progress:
this
is
the
bunker
hill
housing
project
and,
if
you
note,
the
energy
use
intensity
is
down
at
19..
This
is
on
par
with
our
e-plus
green
buildings,
which
are
certainly
leading
in
the
class
of
practices,
as
well
as
the
significant
on-site
renewable
energy
commitment.
M
Next
15
necco
street
is
another
commercial
office
building
with
some
lab
uses
in
it
and,
remarkably
again,
they're
they're,
doing
amazing
things
to
reduce
the
building
loads,
and
in
this
case
we
wanted
to
flag
this
as
exemplary
for
also
employing
ground
source
heat
pump
technology,
which
is,
in
fact,
a
form
of
renewable
energy.
Thermal
energy
that
is
embodied
in
the
ground
in
this
case
length.
The
bu
data
science
building
the
ground
source
is
providing
a
fantastic
low
energy
source
for
heating
that
and
cooling
the
buildings.
M
Next,
please
bu
is
a
interesting
case
study
too,
because
their
strategies
have
involved
exterior
shading
devices
to
ensure
that
the
building
enclosure
is
high
performance,
and
we
have
to
note
that
with
office
buildings
like
this,
that
can
have
very
substantive
internal
uses,
internal
uses
that
actually
generate
a
lot
of
heat.
In
many
cases,
these
buildings
we
have
to
pay
special
attention
to
reducing
how
much
heat
gain
there
is
inside
the
building
and
from
sunlight
on
the
building.
Next,
please,
the
results
from
the
work
that
the
bu
has
done
are
illustrated
in
the
simple
graph
ashrae.
M
The
first
bar
is
what
is
required
for
massachusetts,
building
code
compliance
and
what
you're
seeing
in
the
other
two
is
an
illustration
of
the
building
performance
without
any
on-site
renewable
energy,
followed
by
the
reduction
down
to
25
for
inclusion
of
their
on-site,
renewable
energy
and
then
zero
with
the
inclusion
of
the
bu
renewable
energy
procurement
that
they
have
already
completed.
In
this
case,
it
happens
to
be
owned
assets
in
the
form
of
a
wind
farm.
M
It's
also
notable
with
this
building
that
they
found
the
cost
premium
to
the
high
performance
building
was
less
than
one
percent.
This,
as
was
with
the
d
zero
mission
building
study,
is
before
utility
and
mass
save
rebates
and
incentives,
so
in
all
likelihood
the
construction
cost
for
this
building
was
lowered
by
pursuing
the
low-carbon
solution
and
then
obviously
the
ongoing
cost
savings
are
are
quite
significant
as
well.
Next,
please.
M
M
It's
also
important
to
note,
as
we
focus
our
efforts
on
clean
energy,
which
is
principally
going
to
be
grid.
Energy
grid,
electric
energy,
advancing
the
amount
and
the
inclusion
of
solar
renewable
energy
in
the
city
is
going
to
be
very
helpful
in
offsetting
the
future
electric
demand
that
we
foresee
next,
please,
the
work
ahead
also
is
looking
at
renewable
energy
procurement.
There
are
a
lot
of
factors
in
this,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
options.
M
These
are
things
that
we
will
be
reviewing
during
the
zero
net
carbon
process
to
make
sure
that
we've
identified
all
the
options
that
are
important
to
us
and
then
critically,
how
we
value
the
different
qualities
of
those
options.
M
Lastly,
just
want
to
point
out
a
few
of
the
goals
rich
has
already
mentioned.
We
are
focusing
and
prioritizing
low
carbon
building
performance
in.
In
short,
the
cleanest
electron
is
the
one
that
is
never
used,
so
that
will
remain
a
priority
for
this
initiative.
We
need
to
identify
pathways,
so
we
can
include
smaller
buildings.
M
These
are
the
20
000
square
feet
is
the
article
80
small
project
review
threshold,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
come
up
with
strategies
both
for
those
buildings
as
well
as
processes
or
means
by
which
they
can
demonstrate
their
compliance
to
the
city.
We
want
to
continue
to
reward
innovation
and
high
performance
buildings.
That's
really
important.
We
are
seeing
some
amazing
practices.
M
M
We
are
not
in
the
building
code
business
and
we
will
be
mindful
of
the
regulatory
separation
that
needs
to
exist
between
the
zone
encoder
and
the
building
code.
We
will
align
with
best
industry
practices,
but
also
utility
incentives
and
very
critically
market
drivers,
the
for
instance,
the
commercial
office
market,
clearly
values
green
buildings
and
high
performance
buildings.
M
There
are
many
developers
in
boston
who
have
figured
out
how
to
leverage
that
market
interest
and
and
in
fact,
find
ways
of
building
these
fantastic
buildings
that
we're
seeing.
Lastly,
as
we
go
forward,
we
have
to
recognize
that
the
zero
net
carbon
building
zoning
is
a
land
use
review
process,
but
then,
in
fact,
we
will
be
relying
on
the
berto
emission
performance
standards
and
reporting
as
the
follow-up,
if
you
will
for
ensuring
that
the
projects
that
have
committed
to
zero
net
carbon
performance
are
fulfilling
those
commitments
and
meeting
those
standards.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
john
and
counselor.
I
just
our
next
steps.
We
hope
to
have
this
part
of
the
process
wrapped
up
by
early
next
year
and
then
we'll
proceed
to
the
zoning
which
will
make
this
a
requirement
and
just
follow
up
on
council
president
janie,
our
our
policy
recommendations
and
implementation
recommendations
will
be
based
on
capital
and
operating
cost
costs
and
savings.
B
Health
impacts,
increased
resilience
and
market
value,
so
that'll
be
part
of
our
our
analysis
and
we
do
have
a
web
page
up
on
bpda's
website.
So,
if
you
want
to
track
this
process
participate
in
the
community
meetings,
even
sign
up
for
our
technical
advisory
group,
you
know,
if
you're
interested
all
that
information
is
available
on
our
website.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
richard
and
for
our
viewers.
What
is
the
website
bostonplans.org
awesomeplans.org?
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
both
for
that.
For
that
great
overview,
I'm
going
to
start
first
want
to
acknowledge.
We've
also
been
joined
by
council,
ricardo
arroyo
and
counselor
michelle
wu
at
large
council.
A
Michelle
wu
welcome
both
we'll
get
to
you,
my
two
colleagues
and
in
turn
I'm
gonna
set
a
strict
five
minute
limit
per
counselor
for
this
line
of
questioning,
because
I
know
we
have
a
lot
to
get
to,
but
that
was
a
very
thorough
overview.
I
am
going
to
start
by
timing
myself
so
as
to
practice
what
I
preach,
and
it's
funny
john.
I
appreciate
you.
A
There
were
two
references
to
beardo
in
that
in
that
presentation
that
you
gave,
and
I'm
old
enough
to
remember
as
you
are
and
sheila
is
when
just
passing
beardo
was,
was
actually
a
very
heavy
lift
that
mayor
menino
championed
in
his
last
year
in
office.
So
it's
gratifying
to
see
the
sea
change
and
I
think
the
acceptance
that
we
need
to
act
and
by
god
we
need
to
act
now,
and
this
is
going
to
be
an
actually
profound
impact
on
climate
addressing
our
building.
A
So
you
know
largely
as
the
working
group
and
I
had
been
working
on
this
for
a
number
of
years.
Sort
of
the
prioritization
was
always
we
start
with
city
buildings
to
be
ncc
check
we're
there.
The
next
would
be
new
construction
and
then
retrofit,
so
we're
kind
of
at
level.
Two
recognizing
there'll
be
some
prioritization
sheila.
I
want
to
get
to
dnd
and
your
good
work.
A
There
will
probably
be
in
my
second
round
of
questioning,
but
to
start
with,
rich
and
john,
so
for
this
article
37
process
when
to
be
clear
when
this
is
ratified,
when
this
is
in
codified,
new
buildings,
with
a
threshold
of
a
certain
square,
footage
will
be
have
to
be
net
zero
carbon
to
be
built
in
the
city
of
boston,
correct,
okay
and
that's
great
news:
you
can
be
more
excited
about
it.
That's
the
whole
purpose!
That's
why
we're
very
excited
and
do
we
do?
A
You
have
an
idea,
and
I
know
it
has
it's
somewhat
movable
target
right
now,
but
what
that
square
footage
trigger
will
be.
B
I
think
we're
looking
at
20
000
square
feet
right
now:
article
37
triggers
with
50
000
square
feet,
but
we're
missing
a
lot
of
the
new
housing
boom.
You
know
that's
occurring,
so
I
think
and
that'll
be
part
of
our
discussion
through
the
public
process,
but
we'd
like
to
drop
it
down
to
20
000
square
feet.
A
Well,
20
000
is
better
than
30
000,
but
not
quite
as
good
as
10
000,
in
my
opinion,
but
I
appreciate
it.
I
think
I
think
we're
going
in
the
right
direction
and
just
you,
you
brought
up
a
very
valid
point
that
that
I
it
was.
I
think
it's
helpful
for
us
to
hear
us,
counselors
and
viewers
to
hear
rich
about
zoning
versus
the
building
code
and
how
the
our
ability
to
sort
of
set
these
parameters
is
somewhat
different
or
is
quite
different
than
what
the
states
is.
B
It's
really
limited
by
telling
developers
what
to
do
specifically
to
hit
our
targets,
but
we
can
set
the
performance
standards.
We
can
point
to
precedent,
so
the
zoning
will
sort
of
set
that
we'll
we'll
set
sort
of
the
the
precedent
and
the
building
standards
through
the
policy
but
won't
get
into.
Where
we're
you
know
just
rolling
up
our
sleeves
and
pulling
a
project
apart
and
telling
them
specific
things
to
do.
That's
where
we
start
bending
hits
with
the
building
code.
A
Yeah
and
just
so
our
viewers
know
there
is
an
effort
at
the
state
level
to
address
the
building
code.
My
colleague
signed
on
to
a
letter
I
wrote-
I
know
chief
cook,
I
believe,
testified
or
submitted
a
letter
and
mayor
wall
should
as
well
so
so
we're
on
several
tracks
right
now
doing
this,
but
this
is
very
exciting
news
and
it
can't
be
lost
on
anyone,
and
I
really
want
to
set
the
tone
we
mark
my
words.
A
I
am
going
to
push
you
guys
to
be
as
bold
and
aggressive
as
you
possibly
can
probably
more
comfortable
than
you'd
want
to
be
with
this,
but
I
don't
want
to
lose
the
fact,
as
we
sort
of
begin.
This
line
of
questioning
that
what
is
being
proposed
here
by
the
bpda
is
exactly
what
we
and
colleagues
and
and
advocates
have
been
asking
for,
and-
and
we
really
appreciate
your
leadership
here-
it's
exciting
and
we're
glad
that
there's
already
begun
a
very
thorough
public
process.
A
I
would
urge
you
to
be
as
nimble
and
quick
in
concluding
that
public
process,
as
you
can
sometimes
these
things
can
can
last
longer
and
it
can
delay
the
action
that's
needed
now,
but
you
had
said
either
john
or
rich,
that
spring
or
summer
of
2001
would
be
the
sort
of
the
public
regulatory
meeting.
And
then
when
would
this
go
until
provided
everything
goes
well
up
until
then,
when
would
this
go
into
effect?.
B
I
think
we'd
like
to
shoot
for
end
of
spring
beginning
of
beginning
of
summer.
You
know
we
have
to
have
a
public
process
with
the
zoning
that'll
have
the
approved
by
our
board
and
then
go
to
the
zoning
commission.
So
it's
hard
to
predict
a
lot
of
those
steps
were.
A
Your
fair
point-
and
I
won't
hold
you
to
it,
but
but
I
I
I'm
heartened
by
the
fact
that
you
you're
thinking
of
late
spring
early
summer
of
2021
this
could
be
basically
the
l,
not
the
law,
but
but
the
the
policy
of
the
city
for
for
buildings,
and
just
so
folks
know
this
will
be
my
last
question.
There
will
be
a
number
of
public
meetings
and
then
the
bpda
board
will
vote
on
this,
and
then
the
zoning
commission
will
vote
on
this.
A
Okay,
great
I'm
under
five
minutes,
I'm
gonna
go
next
to
councillor
braden
and
I
believe
counselor
flynn
is
on
deck
after
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
councillor
braden.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
I'm
really
really
excited
with
how
fast
this
is
well.
It
seems
it's
maybe
not
fast
to
cancel
o'malley,
but
it
seems
fast
to
me
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
right
here
and
it's
happening.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
to
all
of
you
for
your
work
on
this.
I'm
I'm
just
curious.
I
know
some
of
the
big
institutional
developers
like
bu
are
able
to
do
this.
I
know
when
we
bring
up
this
issue
at
meetings,
development
meetings.
Everybody
seems
a
little
squishy
about
carbon
neutral.
D
I
I
know
robert.
I
think
I
was
at
a
meeting
with
you
recently
and
a
big
project
in
austin
brighton.
They
didn't
haven't
even
filled
in
the
the
questionnaire
for
article
37,
so
it
seems
like
this
is
not
front
and
center.
When
a
developer
comes
forward
with
a
project.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
raise
up
this
as
sort
of
an
absolutely
essential
piece
of
the
planning
for
a
project.
B
I
think
you
know
boston
university
they're
going
to
own
these
buildings
in
perpetuity,
so
the
costs
are
factored
in
over
the
years
developers
usually
look
at
well
gee.
What's
the
cost
of
permit,
build
it,
put
a
tenant
in
and
then
flip
it,
and
that's
why
they're
reluctant
because
this
you
know
in
the
short
term,
it
seems
to
be
a
deficit
in
their
economics.
B
But
I
think
what
we
need
to
highlight
is
that
what
you
don't
do
now
you'll
have
to
do
later
through
birdo
alberto
enforcement,
we
have
a
developer,
that's
proposing
to
be
electric
ready,
but
to
convert
to
electric
sometime
in
2040
and
and
our
pushback
on
them
is
like
well
how
that
fit
into
your
business
plan.
You
know
this
successor
owner
may
be
dumped
with
this
responsibility
and
may
not
even
be
aware
of
it.
B
So
I
think
that's
why
you
see
the
reluctance
is
that
they
look
at
short-term
gains
financially,
where
they
need
to
look
at
the
life
of
the
building.
So
that's
that's
where
you
know
a
precedent
showing
precedent
how
these
things
are
cost
effective
and,
in
the
end,
add
value
to
the
buildings.
K
Counselor,
I
don't
want
to
minimize
how
important
community
activism
is
in
this,
and
so
the
ability
for
the
community
to
understand
the
benefits
of
net
zero
construction
and
now,
what's
really
wonderful,
is
with
folks
with
rich
and
john
who
have
the
technical
expertise
and
the
technical
studies,
along
with
department,
neighborhood
development
in-house
to
guide
developers
through
this
process,
so
that
there
isn't
that
knee-jerk
reaction
that
you're
talking
about
as
it's
just
too
expensive.
D
Yeah,
I
agree
so
a
carrot
and
a
stick.
How
does
that
work?
What's
the
carrot
and
what's
the
stick
in
this
situation
and.
L
Oh
sorry,
go
ahead.
No,
I
was
just
going
to
say
on
the
you
know,
on
the
affordable
housing
side,
it's
a
little
bit
different,
especially
projects.
We
put
money
into
it's
a
little
easier
to
or
more
straightforward
to
talk
about
requirements
because
they're
associated
with
our
funding,
but
we
are
working
hard
and
I
know
the
environment
department
is
too
to
identify
sources
that
will
help
building
owners
achieve
some
of
these
standards.
L
So,
for
example,
on
the
affordable
housing
side,
there's
a
quasi
public
funder
called
mhp.
That's
made
a
special
funding
resource
available
to
buildings
that
are
trying
to
achieve
these
standards.
L
We
we
don't
think
that
this
costs
more,
but
we've
made
a
small
adjustment
in
how
developers
account
for
costs
so
that
if
they
want
to
invest
more
on
the
green
design
side
of
things,
they
they
have
a
little
bit
more
space
to
do
so.
So
I
I
do
think
all
the
things
my
colleagues
spoke
about,
but
I
also
know
at
least
in
the
affordable
space,
especially
when
we
talk
about
phase
two
and
retrofitting
that
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
think
about.
L
M
Counselor,
I
would,
I
would
want
to
just
emphasize
the
importance
of
the
support
that
we
continue
to
get
from
our
utilities
through
the
mass
save
program.
M
They
provide
both
technical
assistance
in
terms
of
helping
us
change
practices,
but
also
the
financial
incentives
that
get
projects
and
project
teams
familiar
with
new
practices
and
new
technologies,
and
it's
really
that
learning
curve
that
is
is
perhaps
our
greatest
challenge.
It's
not
that
we
don't
know
how
to
build
these
buildings.
It's
just
that
everyone
isn't
familiar
with
the
practices.
M
While
we
learn,
we
do
incur
some
premiums.
I
think
we
can
draw
a
few
lessons
from
our
e-plus
buildings,
which
did
start
out
with
some
premium
anticipated.
But
at
this
point
we
can
find
we
find
that
our
smaller
multi-family
residential
buildings,
in
fact,
don't
cost
anything
more
to
build
at
high
performance
levels
and,
in
fact,
can
cost
less
once
the
utility
incentives
are
included
and
then
return
financial
benefit
to
the
tenants
and
to
the
operators
in
the
forms
of
reduced
utility
expenses
and
improved
occupant,
comfort
and
quality
of
life.
D
Yeah,
I
agree,
and
I
I
really
kudos
to
the
the
utility
companies
I'm
very
familiar
with
from
the
perspective
of
a
householder
that
has
done
a
lot
of
insulation
and
whatever,
but
I
think
when
we
scale
it
up
to
the
bigger
the
bigger
projects
and
that's
when
we,
the
multiplier
effect,
will
get
a
lot
more
bang
for
our
buck
in
that
area.
Thank
you.
So
much,
I'm
sure.
I'm
over
my
time.
A
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
braden
counselor
flynn
is
next,
although
I
do
not
see
him
a
lot
of
knowledge.
We've
been
joined
by
concert,
large
anissa
assaibi
george
welcome
counselors
ivy
george
up
next
is
councillor
campbell,
followed
by
councilor
bach
on
deck
councillor
campbell
the
floor
is
yours
in
five
minutes.
A
A
Counselor
campbell
may
have
stepped
away,
in
which
case
we
will
go
now
to
counselor
bach
and
if
concert
campbell
returns,
we'll
put
her
back
in
the
queue
but
counselor
bach,
followed
by
counselor
janie
counselor
back
the
floor
is
yours.
I
Thanks
thanks
so
much,
and
I'm
really
excited
about
this
I'll,
just
echo
everybody
but
right
to
questions.
I
I
I
wanted
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
how
you
guys
are
anticipating
and
how
you're
factoring
in
encouraging
people
to
have
on-site
generation,
because
I
know
that
obviously,
obviously
it's
super
important
for
us
to
have
all
of
our
our
buildings
be
ones
that
can
run
green
electricity
are
not
dependent
on
fossil
fuels
and
it's
also
exciting,
as
we
all
know,
that
we're
gonna
have
community
choice,
energy
but
then
there's
this
huge
effort
to
green
the
grid
ahead
of
us
and
well
there's
lots
of
centralized
aspects
of
that.
I
I
think
you
know
it's
also
going
to
entail
a
bunch
of
stuff
around
and
about-
and
I'm
wondering
so
I'm
wondering
how
we're
thinking
about
that
in
connection
to
these
standards
and
incentivizing
that
and
then
also
specifically
kind
of
from
a
planning
perspective
on
the
zoning
side.
Are
we
thinking
about
any
way
to
put
in
hooks
or
incentives
for
that
in
our
pdas
and
our
pda
master
plans,
places
where
somebody
who
has
the
capacity
might
want
to
build
their
new
building
and
actually
factor
in
enough
generation
to
support
other
buildings?
M
Sure
counselor,
the
the
net
zero
zoning
stands
on
three
columns
and
the
first
we've
talked
much
about
the
low
carbon
building
or
the
high
performance
building
the
other
two
actually
interplay,
quite
interestingly
with
each
other.
So
we
want
to
establish
standards
for
installed
on-site
renewable
energy,
and
what
we
saw
with
the
plus
screen
building
program
is,
in
fact,
small
residential
buildings
have
the
capacity
to
surplus
energy
back
to
the
grid.
M
It
brings
to
the
mind
the
idea
that
we
could
have
neighborhoods
of
homes
that
are
actually
providing
surplus
energy
to
our
downtown
commercial
buildings
that,
due
to
their
scale
and
and
form,
don't
have
the
potential
to
achieve
zero
energy
on
site.
M
So
the
interplay
with
the
procured,
energy
aspects
of
the
zoning
are
that
they
could
in
fact
be
cross-incentivizing
each
other
within
the
city
within
the
local
community
or
neighborhood,
and
so
we're
looking
at
that
dynamic
and
looking
at
how
we
can
leverage
that
in
an
economic
model
so
that
we
we
see
in
essence,
synergies
between
the
two
strategies.
K
Council,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
the
city
has
to
lead
by
example,
and
so
through
the
renew
boston
trust
program,
we're
trying
to
generate
as
many
on-site
opportunities
as
possible
if
anyone's
seen
the
new
canopy
over
at
the
boston
police
department
headquarters.
That's
an
example
of
how
we
can
actually
use
our
city
assets
to
produce
renewable
energy.
I
Great
thanks
so
much
chief
cook,
and
I
I
guess
another
question
would
just
be.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
financial
feasibility
piece
and
I'm
so
glad
to
see
kind
of
the.
You
know
us
showing
more
and
more
at
scale
that
this
really
is
a
mind
shift
thing
as
opposed
to
something
that
is
hugely
costly
up
front.
I
But
I
am
wondering
because
I
know
that
we
we
had
a
sort
of
financial
feasibility
out
clause
of
sorts
in
the
original
municipal
municipal
buildings
thinking
and
I'm
wondering
whether
we're
going
to
be
asking
the
interagency
green
building
committee
to
like
think
at
all
about
economic
feasibility
and
cost
effectiveness
or
if
we're
or
if-
and
I
confess,
as
I
hope,
we're
just
gonna
sort
of
like
set
these
standards
and
say
these
are
things
that
we
need
people
to
make.
K
Rich
and
john,
if
it's
helpful,
I
could
talk
from
a
retrofit
perspective
with
the
birdo
and
the
carbon
emissions
standard
update,
and
then
you
can
talk
about
new
construction.
Does
that
make
sense
sure.
K
I
would
just
say
from
a
retrofit
standard
counselor:
we
owe
it
to
the
different
sectors
to
do
a
deep
dive
on
what
it
is
required
in
their
building
to
actually
operate
right.
So
to
compare
hospitals
to
residential
is
not
going
to
be
a
fair
comparison,
so
as
we're
doing
the
technical
advisory
group
and
we're
updating
the
expertise
that
will
actually
inform
the
carbon
emissions
standard,
which
is
essentially
the
update
of
birdo,
which
will
drive
retrofits
in
the
city
of
boston,
it
will
be
sector
cognizant.
K
It
will
be
sector
specific
again,
alluding
to
the
constraints
that
rich
so
eloquently
outlined.
We
can't
be
prescriptive
in
how
you
get
to
your
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reduction.
We
can't
prohibit
anything
that
is,
you
know
that
would
be
preemption
from
the
state
law.
However,
we
can
set
those
targets,
but
we
will
be
cognizant,
so
that
is
related
to
cost.
Obviously,
you
know
your
cost
of
operations
and
how
much
energy
you
use,
but,
as
far
as
you
know,
new
construction,
I
would
defer
to
the
ppda
as
the
approaches
as
they're.
Looking
at
the
net
zero.
M
Guidelines,
thank
you
chief
cook.
I
would
just
start
by
pointing
out
new
construction
offers,
far
greater
opportunities
to
do
things
right.
The
first
time
we
do
have
to
deal
with
the
split
incentive
where
the
proponent
doesn't
necessarily
reap
the
benefits,
but
this
is
also
where
market
strategies
come
into
play,
where
tenants
recognize
that
these
better
buildings
have
better
operating
performance
and,
in
fact,
can
pass
savings
on
to
them.
M
We're
also
continuing
to
learn,
and
one
of
the
really
interesting
moments
was
recent.
When
a
developer
recognized
that
the
ground
source
heat
pump
option
for
their
project
had
the
additional
benefit
of
freeing
up
building
area
from
mechanical
usage,
which
is
a
straight
overhead
expense
to
leaseable
space,
and
so
it
it
it
wasn't
just
a
eliminating
of
a
an
overhead
cost.
It
was
actually
a
significant
increase
in
revenue,
and
so
we
continue
to
find
great
solutions
that
are,
in
fact,
financially
very
strong,
and
so
I
think,
that's
part
of
our
work
ahead.
I
Absolutely
and
of
course,
of
course,
these
will
drive
that
innovation
as
well,
and
I
I
am
curious
and
chief
cook,
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
about
contextualism
and
and
our
different
sectors
and
totally
agree
with
it,
just
trying
to
trying
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we're
doing,
we
don't
end
up
with
a
situation
where,
when
people
are
building
new
buildings,
there's
sort
of
a
like
one-off
pleading
of
oh,
we
can't
make
the
numbers
work
here
like
we
want
to
set
up
something
that
people
can
consistently
adhere
to.
K
I
You
thank
you
so
much
counselor
valley,
I'll
just
say
because
I
I'll
just
say
a
shout
out.
I
was
privileged
to
work
on
the
the
work
around
the
charlestown
bunker
hill
redevelopment
when
I
was
over
at
the
bha
so
very
happy
to
see
it
on
the
list
of
exemplary
cases.
Here.
M
A
A
Counselor
janie
may
have
had
to
step
away
as
well,
so
we
will
start
now
with
counselor
edwards
and
if
the
council
president
returns
we'll,
add
her
back
to
the
queue.
But
let's
do
counselor
edwards
next
for
five
minutes,
followed
by
counselor
arroyo.
N
N
I
can't
remember
I'm
sorry
who
brought
up
suffolk,
downs
and
charlestown,
but
those
are
two
wildly
different
developments
right
with
different
funding
streams,
different
accountability,
centers
and
and
different
build
outs,
one
being
heavily
subsidized
by
the
government,
the
other
one
being
totally
privately
owned.
N
And
yet
I
am
happy
to
say
that
there
was
we
rose
above
current
standards
in
pushing
the
developer
in
the
private
sense,
and
also
getting
the
city
and
federal
government
and
a
private
partner,
private
public
partnership
in
k
and
charlestown
to
rise
above,
but
not
even
a
butt
period.
So
that
being
said,
what
we
notice,
what
I
see
in
both
of
those
cases
is
unless
there
is
a
huge
amount
of
leveraged
funds
to
get
these
things
done
right.
We're
not.
N
We
don't
really
see
the
expansion
of
a
lot
of
green
infrastructure
unless
there's
a
huge
amount
of
backing
of
funding
and
commitment
and
gathering
together
of
funds,
and
that's
a
little
concerning
to
me
because
so
much
of
what
needs
to
be
done
is
not
is
not
that
big,
but
it's
the
micro
or
small
little
triple
decker
by
triple
decker
rooftop
by
rooftop
right.
That
has,
I
think,
one
of
the
largest
impacts
on
our
environmental
future
and
impact
and
imprint,
and
so
talk
to
me
about
I'm
one
one.
N
N
What
brings
me
to
the
table
to
to
care
enough
to
reduce
my
carbon
imprint?
So
that's,
I
think,
because
I
think
that's
also
part
of
the
city's
mission
is
not
just
leading
by
when
we
have
money
but
encouraging,
pushing
and
moving
our
citizenry
to
be
better
green
stewards.
So
that's
one
thing:
that's.
K
Great
so
rich,
john
and
jessica.
Does
it
make
sense
for
me
to
talk
about
building
retrofits
of
smaller
buildings
so
counselor?
I
think
you're
right.
N
Before
you
go,
I
just
do
you
mind
if
I
list
my
questions.
No,
please
yeah
five
minutes
and
then
you
guys
are
good.
So
so
the
one
is
the
the
com
bringing
it
down
to
the
the
average
person
number
one
and
then
number
two.
N
If
you
could
talk
to
me
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
you're
as
familiar
so,
if
you're,
not
that's
okay
about
the
environmental
justice
and
how
this
integrates
with
the
new
zoning
standard,
we're
coming
up
with
for
affirmatively
furthering
for
housing
by
that
we
are
taking
equity
as
a
lens
and
how
we
develop
how
we
push
what
we
approve,
what
we
demand
of
developers
and
opportunity
and
access
there
too,
and
removing
obstacles
to
that
opportunity.
I
believe,
firmly,
is
connected
to
also
health
and
environmental
and
green
space.
N
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor.
I
think
I'll
touch
on
the
the
first,
which
is
what
I
would
salt.
You
know
retrofits
with
a
small
r
and
then
perhaps
it
makes
sense
for
rich
and
john
or
jessica
to
talk
about
new
development
in
the
city
and
the
incorporation
of
the
considerations
of
environmental
justice
associated
with
that.
But
I
can
also
speak
on
that
too.
Just
very
quickly.
There's
there's
multiple
issues
at
play.
K
One
is
we
want
to
focus
on
big
ones
right,
so
we
want
to
focus
on
the
big
buildings
they're,
actually
the
biggest
driver
of
our
emissions,
and
that's
why,
when
we're
looking
at
a
carbon
emission
standard,
we're
looking
at
dropping
the
standard
from
35
000
square
feet
to
encompass
some
a
company,
something
like
20
000
square
feet,
which
would
probably
increase
the
amount
of
buildings
that
we're
actually
dealing
with
by
a
thousand
or
a
little
over
a
thousand,
and
that's
really
going
to
drive
carbon
emissions
but
to
the
counselor's
point:
what
about
the
health,
the
safety,
the
quality
of
life
for
folks
living
in
you
know
their
condo
unit
in
a
three-decker.
K
You
know
what
are
the
actions
they
can
take,
so
a
lot
of
this
is
driving
access
to
those
utility
programs.
You
know
mass
save.
A
lot
of
this
is
about
exposure
to
the
other
alternatives
that
you
can
take,
which
is
you
know,
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
the
efficiency
of
them
and
getting
people
used
to
that
technology
and
demonstrating
that.
What
I
will
say,
though,
is.
K
Should
the
federal
government
take
advantage
of
this
to
very
quickly
get
out
a
lot
of
retrofit
funds
that
could
be
specifically
targeted
for
home
owners
where
retrofit
is
complicated
because
to
get
the
benefit
and
council
read-
and
you
know
this
because
you've
already
done
this
in
your
home-
to
get
the
real
benefit,
you
have
to
make
your
home
efficient
first
and
then
you
have
to
plug
it
in
to
the
electric
source,
and
so
there's
a
two-pronged
approach
there.
So
some
of
it
is
about
education,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
about
access
to
funds.
K
K
L
I
can
start
quickly,
I
think,
council.
I
really
appreciate
your
questions
and
I
think
you're,
maybe
leaning
more
towards
private
property
owners,
individual
homeowners,
which
is
not
typically
who
we're
funding,
but
I
will
just
say
you
know
part
of
why
d
felt
so
passionately
about
the
need
to
step
forward
and
and
be
a
lead
department
and
going
through.
L
This
exercise
was
because
we
believe
so
firmly
that
everyone
should
have
access
to
this
kind
of
building
performance
in
these
kinds
of
healthier
buildings
that
are
better
for
the
environment,
regardless
of
income
level,
and
that's
really
important
to
us-
and
I
know
to
the
administration
and
to
everyone
here
today.
L
So
I
just
I
did
want
to
note
that,
and
I
also
wanted
to
note
that
the
way
that
we
have
done
our
requirements,
especially
because-
and
I
think
this
is
relevant-
because
we
we
do
have
smaller
buildings
and
often
those
smaller
buildings,
the
the
development
pool
for
those
smaller
buildings
are
often
smaller,
locally
owned,
general
contractors
and
developers.
L
We
do
have
a
slightly
different
path
for
those
buildings
where
we
both
try
to
give
them
an
alternative
compliance
method.
That's
a
little
bit
more
flexible
since
their
project
budget
is
likely
smaller
and
also,
rather
than
requiring,
that
they
are
a
zero
emissions
building
on
day
one
we
require
that
they
are
zero
emissions,
ready,
which
means
they've
done
everything,
but
the
photovoltaics
and
the
reason
for
that
exception
is
that
the
rebate
programs
for
photovoltaics
tend
to
come
and
go,
and
sometimes
they're
really
good.
L
When
you
go
into
when
you
start
designing
and
then
they're,
not
so
great
when
you
open,
but
then,
a
year
later,
the
programs
are
better.
So
we
want
to
give
smaller
property
owners
that
flexibility
to
jump
on
the
photovoltaics
when
they're
most
affordable
for
what
they're
developing.
So
I
just
I
wanted
to
point
that
out.
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
sidebar,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
to
the
work
that
we're
doing.
A
Thank
you
thank
you,
jessica
and
thank
you
for
council
edwards.
Council
arroyo
is
next
followed
by
councillor
wu
and
counselors
hyby
george
council
royal.
Thank.
O
You
so
much
mr
chair,
and
I
echo
everybody's
excitement
on
the
fact
that
this
is
up
and
running
my
question
and
it's
it's
one
question
really
in
two
parts
is:
do
we
have
a
breakdown
from
the
projects
of
last
year,
their
locations
throughout
the
city
and
what
type
of
projects
are
we
looking
at?
Are
they
with
specific
kinds
of
projects,
and
then
the
second
question
is
similarly
attached
to
that?
M
Councillor,
this
is
john
doezel.
We
we
do
have
extensive
tracking
of
large
projects
and
their
performance
commitments.
The
perhaps
the
trick
is
the
the
review
period
kind
of
blends,
the
the
timing.
So
it's
it's
quite
normal
that
as
projects
come
forth,
as
council
bearden
mentioned,
some
will
even
show
up
with
very
minimal
analysis
or
commitment
to
the
the
sustainability
outcomes
we
are.
We
are
seeking
those
are
cured
through
the
review
process,
and
so
it
isn't
unusual
for
projects
to
show
up.
M
You
know
with
sort
of
okay
commitments
and
and
finish
up
with
very
good
commitments
and
then,
in
terms
of
tracking
those
in
a
time
frame.
It's
always
a
judgment
call
as
to
whether
or
not
we
track
them
for
last
year
or
this
year,
but
in
short,
we
do
have
that
information.
We
can
certainly
share
it.
You
know
to
different
degrees
of
granularity.
O
Thank
you.
That's
that's
helpful.
Is
there
any
way
for
me
to
see
that
information,
or
is
there
a
way
for
that
to
be
made
available
to
the
council
or
the
public
in
terms
of
where
the
investments
are
being
made.
M
We
we
certainly
can
the
the
particular
questions.
I
I'm
not
sure
everything
can
be
carefully
teased
out
of
the
information
we
have,
for
instance,
if
it's
you
know,
tracking
investment
dollars,
that's
a
something
we
also
asked
from
the
proponent,
but
it
wouldn't
necessarily
provide
us
insight
to
say
investments
in
a
particular
strategy.
But
yes,
let's
follow
up
and-
and
let's
figure
out
how
best
to
answer
those
questions
and.
K
A
Council
royal
councilor
wu,
followed
by
councillor
assad
b,
george
and
then
we've
also
been
joined
by
councilor
michael
flaherty.
So
I
don't
see
counselor
woo,
so
I'm
not
missing
her
counselor
sybi
george
and
then
counselor
flaherty,
counselor
sabi
george.
The
floor
is
yours:.
P
Sorry
about
that,
I
I
apologize
for
tuning
in
a
little
bit
late,
so
this
may
have
been
covered,
perhaps
in
earlier
remarks
and
if
so,
just
let
me
know
where
this
is
a
hearing
on
city-owned
assets
and
new
construction.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
counselor.
So
obviously,
public
facilities
and
chief
brophy
would
be
much
more
eloquent
at
answering
that
question
than
I
am,
but
in
bl
in
really
layman's
terms,
our
our
municipal
ordinance
for
zero
for
zero
net
carbon
or
zero
net
ready
applies
to
that
new
construction
and
we'd
be
happy
to
provide
a
list
of
the
buildings
that
will
apply
to
for
you.
P
And
any
of
the
where
that
ordinance
is
newer.
Any
of
the
plans
that
were
designed
previous
to
that
are
we
able
to
go
back,
especially
because
it's
our
property
and
our
ordinance
and
sort
of
right
size
it
or
I
don't
know
what
the
what
the
term
might
be
for
that,
but
to
sort
of
take
corrective
measures
to
make
sure
that,
even
though
it
was
done
beforehand
or
that
the
process
was
started
beforehand,
that
we
are
sort
of
correcting
that.
K
K
I
will
say
that
the
ones
that
have
built
been
built
recently
are
so
efficient
anyway.
Pfd
does
such
a
nice
good
job
that
everything
that's
been
in
the
pipeline
will
largely
be
very
easy
to
retrofit.
So,
for
instance,
they
have
largely
electric
hvac
systems.
You
know,
usually
they
have
a
little
bit
of
natural
gas
coming
into
it.
So
there
will
be
opportunities
to
retrofit
those
existing
buildings.
K
The
the
more
difficult
the
more
expensive
buildings
will
be
buildings
that
were
built
prior
to
world
war
ii,
which
is
a
lot
of
our
boston,
public
school
buildings,
and
so
that's
where
we're
going
to
use
the
renew
boston
trust
program,
and
so
our
next
iteration
of
her
new
boston
trust
is
actually
going
to
use
the
energy
savings
to
fund
those
capital
investments.
We're
going
to
include
a
lot
of
boston
public
schools
in
our
next
round.
K
Over
new
boston,
trust
funding
and
we're
happy
to
get
that
that
list
to
you,
but
basically
it's
using
the
savings,
the
actual
savings
on
the
energy
to
fund
those
retrofits.
There
will
still
be
some
additional
decarbonization
efforts
that
you
have
to
take,
because
some
of
those
efficiency
measures
are
putting
in
a
different
kind
of
boiler.
Eventually,
you've
got
to
get
out
of
natural
gas.
You've
got
to
get
out
of
fossil
fuel
in
those
buildings,
but
it'll
also
have
the
ability
to
put
photovoltaics
on
top
of
the
roofs
of
bps
and
other
opportunities.
K
P
K
K
K
As
part
of
these
considerations,
we
do
it
from
the
fact
that
you
know
who
are
we
really
vulnerable
for
and
excuse
me
responsible
for
in
the
city,
but
we're
definitely
responsible
for
our
kids
right,
our
kids
that
are
in
buildings
and
we're
definitely
responsible
for
folks
in
public
housing
like
these
are,
by
definition,
our
most
socially
vulnerable
residents,
folks
in
public
housing
and
people
who
who
are
in
the
kids
that
are
in
our
school,
but
also
there's
just
frankly,
a
math
problem
associated
with
it,
which
is
you
know,
our
largest
buildings
happen
to
be
the
schools,
that's
our
biggest
portion
of
our
portfolio,
and
you
know
if
they're
driving
our
emissions,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
buildings
are
as
efficient
as
possible.
K
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
savvy
george
counselor
flare.
I
had
next.
I
do
not
see
counselor
flaherty.
I
would
like
to
return
to
counselor
campbell,
who
just
has
one
brief
question
and
if
anyone
other
colleagues
have
brief
questions,
I
do
want
to
get
to
the
second
panel.
H
Yeah
I'll
be
really
brief.
Council
o'malley,
I
apologize
to
step
away
for
a
constituent
call
and
I
think
many
of
my
questions
have
been
asked
and
answered,
and
maybe
this
picks
up
on
counselor
asabi
george's
points
just
now,
but
I'm
curious
in,
and
maybe
you
have
this,
what
buildings
do
we
know
what
buildings
in
boston
contribute
the
most
to
carbon
emissions
and
if
there's
a
list
that
we
could
sort
of
look
at
and
get
that
would
be
fantastic.
K
Absolutely
counselor,
we,
you
know,
luckily,
through
the
existing
berto
ordinance
and
our
upcoming
work
on
the
carbon
emissions
standard,
we
we
know
those
buildings.
We
know
them
very
well
at
this
point
and
we
know
what
actions
we
would
like
those
buildings
to
take
moving
forward.
So
we're
happy
to
provide
that,
for
you.
H
A
Thank
you,
councillor
campbell
and
rest
assured
when
we
have
our
our
hearing
in
the
new
year
about
retrofit.
That
will
be
among
the
top
questions.
So
if
any
counselors
who
have
one
brief
question
for
this
panel,
please
raise
their
hand
we'll
start
with
counselor
bach.
Please
raise
their
blue
hand
if
possible.
I
Thank
you,
councillor,
o'malley,
a
quick
question.
Just
I
know
how
helpful
the
sort
of
guide
that
dnd
has
put
together
is,
for
you
know,
folks
contemplating
how
to
do
this
on
the
affordable
housing
side
and,
and
so
much
of
doing
this
is
demystifying
it.
I
was
just
wondering
if,
as
we
put
these
standards
together
for
all
these
other
sectors,
what
like
whether
there's
any
work
that's
been
done
yet
or
work.
That's
contemplated
in
terms
of
helping
to
lead
horses
to
water
and
and
let
people
kind
of
know
how
you
get
this
done.
I
M
Thank
you,
chief
counselor.
We
are
drawing
from
national
leaders
in
high
performance
buildings,
we're
also
able
to
access
many
of
the
best
practice
guides
that
are
out
there
what's
challenging.
But
you
know
just
part
of
business
as
usual.
Is
the
sheer
complexity
of
these
large
buildings?
It's
not.
It
does
not
lend
itself
quite
the
way,
lend
itself
to
the
the
practices
that
are
more
replicable
with
small
wood
frame
buildings,
where
the
the
the
variables
are
far
fewer.
We
honestly
build
those
buildings,
almost
identical,
but
it's
very
different
with
a
large
office
building.
M
Still
we
have
some.
We
have
some
of
the
best
practicing
firms
in
boston
and
and
they
bring
a
great
deal
of
expertise
to
the
table
that
others
are
frankly
looking
at
us
for
leadership
on,
but
we'll
continue
our
national
search
and
and
bring
forth
those
standards
as
well.
L
I
was
just
gonna
jump
on
and
say.
First
of
all,
I
we
hope
that
our
guide
is
is
a
good
handbook
for
other
owners
and
in
particular
I
think,
harkening
back
to
councillor
edwards
question
two.
I
think
our
guidebook
provides
some
a
good
checklist
for
smaller
property
owners.
So
hopefully
it
has
some
larger
applicability
and
we
absolutely
see
a
step
two
which
is
for
for
renovation
projects,
so.
I
Great
and
yeah
and
I'll
save
my
questions
about
renovations
and
retrofits
and
workforce
and
and
how
we're
gonna
attach
a
real
enforcement
mechanism
to
birdo,
in
addition
to
driving
the
square
footage
down
for
future
hearings.
I
Since
the
chairman
has
given
us
the
one
question
guide
and
as
he's
also
previewed
coming
attractions,
I
just
want
to
say
before
I
give
up
the
mic
just
that
I
I
would
certainly
be
remiss
as
a
new
counselor
not
to
give
a
shout
out
to
you,
know
the
boston,
clean
energy
coalition
and
mothers
out
front
and
all
the
kind
of
advocates
who
have
been
working
so
diligently
in
the
space.
I
I
think
I
think
I
was
on
a
call
with
you
and
them
jess
about
the
standards
of
dnd
when
you
guys
were
working
them
up,
and
it
just
you
know,
I
think,
in
city
government
we
have
a
ton
of
really
good
people
working
to
make
these
things
real,
but
sometimes
the
place
where
they
start
as
a
twinkle
in
the
eye
is
often
in
the
advocate
and
activist
communities
who
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
them.
But
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
A
Of
course,
thank
you,
counselor
bach,
counselor
flaherty
has
returned
council
flaherty
we're
just
wrapping
up
questions,
but
I
did
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity
if
you
had
any
brief
comments
or
questions.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I've
been
offering
on
and
listening
to
the
panelists,
so
this
is
just
an
opportunity
for
me
to
thank
you
for
sponsoring
and
for
sharing
the
hearing,
and
you
know
it's
good
to
hear
from
our
panelists
today,
the
chief
of
course,
and
john
and
others.
Q
So
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
on
behalf
of
the
council,
matt
and
and
for
all
your
efforts
in
this
space
that
underscore
that
this
is
an
important
topic
and
to
make
sure
it's
part
of
our
larger
climate,
resiliency
efforts,
so
great
work
to
everybody
on
the
panel
and
look
forward
to
continued
partnership
with
everybody.
A
D
I'm
also
curious
just
quickly.
You
mentioned
that
bu
was
doing
a
geothermal
project.
Is
that
widespread,
or
is
that
sort
of?
I
always
think
of
it
as
being
a
more
expensive
option?
So
is
there
anyone
else
doing
geothermal.
M
Yes,
counselor
we're.
Actually
it
is
a
old
practice,
but
it's
enjoying
a
resurgence
and
that's
certainly
being
driven
by
our
efforts
and
your
efforts
as
well.
We
do
see
this
being
deployed
in
most
of
the
bigger
projects
around
the
city,
so
15
necco
street
is
another
good
example,
and
we
expect
this
to
to
expand
as
we
work
with
other
project
teams,
we're
virtually
requiring
or
asking
all
the
projects.
M
Now
that
have
you
know
the
appropriate
profile
for
ground
source
heat
pump
systems
to
to
explore
that,
and
so
we're
we'll
we'll
see
more
for
sure.
It's
worth
mentioning
too
there's
worker
foot
to
look
at
utility
sponsored
network
geothermal
systems,
so
the
idea
being
to
utilize
public
ways
for
ground
source
heat
pump
systems
and
have
utilities
like
national
grid,
stop
delivering
gas
and,
in
fact,
deliver
thermal
energy.
M
So
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
work
going
on
there
that,
I
think,
will
continue
to
transform
this
workspace.
D
I
have
another
one,
I'm
sure
you've
heard
of
this
in
portland
they're
they're,
generating
they
have
energy
electricity
turbines
in
the
water
mains.
So
it
turns
it
turns
a
little
turbine
and
generates
electricity
completely
passively.
It's
it's
I'm
sure.
We
need
to
talk
to
boston,
water
and
sir
about
that.
Then
it's
another
way
another
source
of
renewable
energy.
Then
we
thank
you
so
much.
This
has
been
really
valuable.
I
appreciate
all
your
work.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
braden,
not
seeing
any
other
hands
from
colleagues
we're
going
to
get
to
the
second
panel.
I
would
ask
those
from
the
administration
who
are
able
to
stay
to
please
just
stay
on.
I
know
you've
worked
very
closely
with
many
of
these
individuals
and,
let
me
just
say
in
closing
to
the
for
this
particular
panel.
You
know
I
cannot
wait
for
the
day
where
all
new
construction
in
boston
is
net
zero
carb,
and
I
cannot
wait
for
the
day
where
we
are
able
to
retrofit
our
existing
building
stock.
A
I
cannot
wait
for
the
day
as
john
del
zell
had
mentioned,
where
you've
got
renewable
energy
part
renewable
energy
infrastructure
like
pv
panels
on
residential
homes
that
help
offset
our
businesses
downtown,
we
have
to
get
there
and
we
began
this
work
in
earnest
in
2017
and
2018.
Of
course,
the
un's
international
climate
change
report
came
out,
saying
we
had
12
years
to
get
it
right.
A
We
now
have
nine
years
to
get
it
right
and
we've
lost
incredible
momentum
over
the
last
three
years
at
the
federal
level,
but
to
see
the
commitment
now
from
the
bpda,
which
quite
frankly
often
has
a
lot
more
contentious
council
hearings,
but
to
see
the
work
that's
really
being
advocated
in
advance.
There
really
is
incredibly
powerful
and
positive
and
is
really
setting
the
right
tone.
So
I'm
I'm
delighted
and
really
gratified
for
the
work,
john
and
rich,
that
you
and
your
colleagues
have
done.
A
There's
more
that.
Obviously
we
have
to
do.
I
know
chief
cook
believes
strongly
in
this
as
well
and
again,
the
only
thing
I
would
say
I'd
say
two
things.
Thank
you
and
we
stand
ready,
willing
and
able
to
work
with
you
in
getting
this
done.
I
would
urge
the
the
smaller
the
square
footage
sort
of
requirement
as
humanly
possible
in
the
speed
in
which
we
can
actually
get
this
done,
after,
of
course,
having
the
public
process,
which
is
ongoing,
but
this
is
a
very.
A
This
is
a
very,
very
positive
news
and
great
leadership,
and
I'm
very
very
gratified
to
everyone
for
your
work
here.
Having
said
that,
I
am
now
going
to
invite
our
panel
to
if
shane
and
carrie
you
could
help
admit
to
the
room.
Wellington
matos
from
bsac
gracie,
berman,
reinhardt
from
bsac
meredith,
album
from
built
environment
plus,
as
well
as
duane
tyndall,
from
ace
alternatives
for
community
and.
A
All
right-
and
I
think
everyone
may
be
here
so
wellington
if
you
and
and
grace
c,
want
to
begin
now.
The
floor
is
yours.
F
Hi,
my
name
is
wellington.
I
guess
I'll
go
first,
so
hello,
my
name
is
wellington.
I'm
a
student
at
fenway
high
school,
I'm
a
junior
currently
and
I
work
with
the
boston
student
advisory
council.
Climate
team.
Climate
change
is
a
threat
that
is
slowly
getting
worse,
as
we
pretend
it's
not
an
issue.
It
puts
the
safety
of
our
young
future
generations
of
marginalized
communities
and
bsac
youth
are
involved
in
creating
solutions
and
pushing
boston,
to
take
initiatives
and
contributing
to
a
greener
city
for
a
safer
environment.
F
Us
youth
are
helping
elect
climate
leaders
and
push
our
leaders
to
help
our
climate
and
with
climate
strikes
and
climate
actions.
Youth
want
to
see
boston,
be
a
leader
for
other
cities
in
the
rest
of
the
country.
By
going
at
zero
and
stopping
the
use
of
harmful
fossil
fuels.
Last
year
my
school
building
had
two
events
of
gas
leaks
where
everyone
had
to
evacuate
and
students
and
people
had
breathed
harmful
gases,
and
this
just
adds
to
the
boston's
emissions.
F
It
is
important
to
build
to
bring
buildings
to
better
standards
so
that
they
aren't
leaking
gas
and
aren't
doing
as
nearly
as
as
much
damage
to
the
environment
and
the
people
that
are
in
there
green
buildings
make
healthier
and
safer
residents,
which
is
exactly
why
we
need
to
push
this
forward
for
all
current
and
future
buildings.
This
is
a
problem
that
adults
have
always
shut
down,
and
youth
have
always
called
out
now.
People
are
currently
seeing
and
facing
the
harms
of
our
current
climate
status
and
fossil
fuel
use
if
boston
doesn't
go
net
zero.
R
Yeah
good
afternoon,
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
graciela
or
gracie
berman,
reinhart
and
I'm
a
senior
at
boston,
latin
school,
I'm
here,
because
my
peers
and
I
at
bsac
are
deeply
invested
in
the
future
of
our
city
and
in
leveling
the
playing
field
for
all
residents.
When
I
was
younger,
I
understood
climate
change
to
be
something
the
older
generations
had
created
and
something
those
generations
would
solve.
R
Meanwhile,
when
I
walked
into
school
on
some
of
the
coldest
days
of
the
year,
I
would
enter
to
what
felt
like
a
furnace
with
teachers
propping
open
windows,
to
allow
whatever
fresh
air
they
could
into
the
stifling
classrooms.
The
dichotomy
of
these
two
worlds
was
striking.
On
the
one
hand,
my
peers-
and
I
were
navigating
a
globe
where
rising
temperatures
and
sea
levels
were
an
accepted
part
of
planning
for
the
future
and
where
resistance,
even
desperate
pleading,
yielded
little
more
than
blank
stares
and,
on
the
other,
a
boston
city.
R
The
solution
seems
so
obvious,
and
yet
we
are
already
planning
our
futures
around
failure,
because
it
is
the
poorest
constituents
who
are
hit
first
and
worst,
and
the
pockets
of
lawmakers
in
washington
dc
are
too
often
lined
with
money
from
companies
that
rely
on
the
destruction
of
earth.
Today,
I
ask
boston's
leaders
to
make
our
response
to
this
crisis
as
extreme
as
our
plans
to
survive
in
an
increasingly
bleak
future.
The
first
step
is
a
net
zero
boston.
A
Thank
you
very
much
graciela
in
wellington.
I
am
continuously
even
more
impressed
with
the
great
work
of
bisac
of
you
and
your
colleagues.
I've
had
a
number
of
beasts,
hack
interns
through
my
office
as
well,
and
the
leadership
that
you
have
demonstrated,
and
particularly
our
youth,
have
demonstrated,
and
so
many
so
many
fields,
but
particularly
climate
and
climate
justice.
It
gives
me
more
hope
than
you
can
imagine.
So.
Thank
you
both
for
your
for
your
comments
and
and
work
here.
A
S
I
do
have
slides
and
I
also
want
to
echo
your
words
regarding
wellington
and
gracie,
and
just
how
inspirational
is
to
hear
the
youth
and
it
keeps
me
going
and
the
work
that
I
do
so.
I'm
going
to
share
my
slides,
my
slides
right
now.
S
When
I
do
that,
everyone
just
appears
matt.
Can
you
just
give
me
a
thumbs
up?
If
you
see
my
slides?
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Okay,
so
good
afternoon,
thanks
for
having
me,
my
name
is
meredith
elbaum.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
built
environment
plus,
formerly
known
as
the
u.s
green
building
council
of
massachusetts,
we're
a
member
based
organization
driving
the
sustainability
of
the
built
environment.
I'm
also
a
registered
architect
here
in
the
commonwealth.
S
S
The
bottom
line,
I'm
here
to
tell
you,
is
that
these
buildings
do
not
need
to
cost
more
and
they
can
in
fact
be
great
investments
while
saving
occupants
money
and
providing
occupants
money
and
then
also
providing
more
resilient
indoor
environments.
In
fact,
we've
already
heard
this,
but
every
building
that's
built
today.
That's
not
carbon
neutral,
we're
going
to
need
to
retrofit
before
2050
to
meet
our
carbon
mandates.
It's
far
more
expensive
to
retrofit
than
to
do
it
from
right
from
the
beginning.
S
We
know
that
the
number
one
obstacle
to
these
buildings
is
inertia
or
besides.
Inertia
is
the
perception
they
cost
more
and
I'm
telling
you
that
they
do
not
have
to
cost
more
than
a
comparable
building
sure
they
can
cost
more.
They
absolutely
can
cost
more.
For
example,
an
all
glass
building,
that's
going
to
cost
more
to
achieve
net
zero,
but
they
don't
have
to
cost
more
now.
How
do
we
do
this?
S
So
I
am
oops
trying
to
get
to
the
next
slide?
Okay,
so
we
do
this.
This
is
a
nice
little
diagram
here.
This
building
john
mentioned
eui
earlier
we
start
with
the
baseline
building,
that's
code
compliant,
and
then
we
go
to
energy
efficiency
measures.
We
look
at
the
envelope,
we're
looking
at
our
walls
and
our
roof
and
the
insulation
levels
we're
looking
at
glazing.
How
much
glass
do
we
have
again
we're
not
going
to
have
100
and
how
tight?
S
How
airtight
is
your
building,
we're
gonna,
look
to
the
hvac
systems,
we're
gonna,
separate
our
conditioning
and
our
ventilation
and
we're
also
gonna.
Do
heat
recovery
in
this
climate?
That's
really
important
and
we're
also
gonna
switch
to
an
all-electric
system,
we're
going
to
do
some
more
for
other
efficiency
measures
for
hot
water,
for
lighting
for
plug
loads,
and
then
once
we
combine
these,
we
we're
going
to
be
able
to
reduce
the
amount
of
energy
needing
to
run
that
building
significantly.
S
S
S
What's
really
interesting
here
is
how
far
we
can
drive
these
energy
loads
down
through
the
energy
efficiency
measures.
These
are
and
these,
and
what
you
can
see
is
that
the
electric
load
for
the
new
for
the
zero
for
the
zero
carbon
building
is
actually
less
than
the
baseline
building
right,
so
the
electric
load
is
less
than
the
load.
S
These
are
all
technologies
that
are
available
today.
You
know
people
are
often
raising
concerns
about
increased
electrical
demand
on
the
grid,
as
well
as
increased
operating
costs.
This
is
showing
you
that
that's
just
not
true,
focusing
on
energy
efficiency
first
drives
down
loads
and
costs.
I'll
also
point
out,
in
this
example,
you'll
see
that
only
77
renewable
energy
is
on
site.
This
means
the
project
will
need
to
offset
the
remaining
load
by
purchasing
renewable
energy
from
off-site.
S
S
According
to
the
new
buildings
institute
that
john
referenced
earlier
nationally,
these
numbers
of
buildings
is
growing
exponentially.
S
This
one
just
recently
came
out
was
reissued
by
the
rocky
mountain
institute
on
residential
projects,
and
then
of
course,
you
already
talked
about
the
study
that
came
out
from
the
dnd
in
summary:
net
zero
carbon
buildings.
Don't
have
to
cost
more
money
up
front,
they
save
money
in
operating
costs,
use
less
electricity
than
comparable
buildings
and
will
not
overburden
the
grid.
They
are
achievable
now
and
there
are
increasing
examples
as
proof
and
I'll
repeat
that
any
building
constructed
today,
that's
not
built
to
be
zero.
S
Carbon
will
need
to
be
retrofitted
before
2050
and
it's
gonna
be
done
at
a
higher
cost.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
meredith
appreciate
it
and
I
will
definitely
have
some
specific
questions
for
you,
as
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
will,
but
before
we
get
to
that.
To
conclude
this
panel
dwayne
tyndall
from
ace
floor
is
now
yours.
T
Thank
you
addressing
the
mission
from
buildings
is
an
environmental
justice
issue.
Intentional
policies,
including
redlining,
under
investment
in
affordable
housing,
the
sitting
of
toxic
and
dangerous
industry,
is
predominantly
black
and
brown
and
low-income
communities
have
resulted
in
disturbing
high
asthma
rates
in
these
communities.
T
Buildings
constructed
to
state-of-the-art
efficiency
standards
have
better
indoor
and
outdoor
air
quality
and
will
greatly
benefit
black
and
brown
communities
in
boston,
including
roxbury,
dorchester,
mattapan
and
east
boston.
New
construction
should
be
required
to
meet
the
net
zero
code,
grateful
to
the
city
for
recognizing
the
need
for
meaningful
community
voice
in
the
development
of
policies.
T
Public
hearings
where
comment
from
community
members
is
requested.
It's
not
sufficient.
There
should
be
mechanisms
to
ensure
that
feedback
is
integrated
into
policies.
We
understand
that
this
ordinance
applies
to
new
construction.
We
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
urge
city
council
to
ensure
that
measures
are
in
place
to
address
the
potential
for
displacement.
T
A
Thank
you
very
much,
duane
appreciate
and
again
I
agree
with
your
points,
several
of
them
that
I
just
want
to
underscore.
One
is
talking
about
how
you
know
when
we
talk
about
green
buildings,
when
you
talk
about
net
zero,
carbon
or
passive
house,
this
not
just
be
something
for
luxury
housing
or
the
or
affluent
housing
when
in
fact,
it's
been,
it's
been
proven
time
and
time
again
that
the
upfront
costs
are
either
the
same
or
perhaps
slightly
slightly
more.
A
The
percentage
and
a
half
increased
more
slightly,
but
the
energy
savings
over
time
more
than
pay
for
itself.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
think,
chief
dylan.
I
regret
that
I
didn't
get
to
ask
her
more
specific
questions,
but
talking
about
our
affordable
housing,
particularly
deeply,
affordable
housing,
making
sure
that
it's
zero
carbon
and
then
your
second
point,
which
was
a
good
one
which
counselor
bach
alluded
to,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to.
A
But
but
again
this
work
will
continue
and
and,
as
you
know
and
you've
been
a
part
of
it,
ace
has
been
a
part
of
it,
making
sure
that
we
have
that
oversight
in
place
so
that
the
last
thing-
and
I've
mentioned
this
offline
to
several
folks
from
the
bpda-
is
that
I
don't
want
to
have
a
scenario
where
much
like
an
individual
cannot
meet.
A
A
developer,
cannot
meet
his
or
her
affordable
housing
percentage
and
then
pays
into
a
fund
which
doesn't
actually
do
the
good
that
we
hope
it
will
I'd
hate
to
see
such
a
scenario
in
this
in
this
proposal,
because
it
is
so
so
impactful
that
we
need
to
make
sure
there's
enforcement
and
oversight,
and
obviously,
of
my
word-
that's
that's
what
we
will
be
committed
to
doing.
So
I
thank
you
for
raising
those
two
points
and
again
meredith.
A
Thank
you
for
sort
of
again
in
words,
far
more
eloquent
than
my
own,
making
the
economic
case
why
this
is
so
important,
I'm
curious
and
again
I'm
going
to
keep
it
as
five
minutes
for
counselors.
I've
been
a
couple
minutes
already,
but
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
you
hear
from
clients
or
prospective
clients,
because
I
hear
it
from
you
know
my
district
colleagues
and
I
particularly
it
will
meet
with
developers
or
individuals
looking
to
build
developments
in
our
districts.
A
We'll
meet
we'll
often
make
the
ask
to
make
sure,
there's
on-site
affordability
to
make
sure
there's
a
robust
community
process.
I've
always
made
the
ask
that
that
it
is
net
zero,
carbon
or
it's
close
to
it
and
almost
to
less
so
now,
certainly
less
so
now,
but
two
three
four
years
ago,
I
would
say
the
words
net,
zero,
carbon
and
the
developer
would
instinctively
say:
there's
too
much
cost
up
front,
and
if
we
do
that,
we
won't
be
able
to
hit
affordable
percentage.
We
won't
be
able
to
have
other
community
mitigation,
which
is
bunk.
A
So,
can
you
talk
about
some
other
sort
of
barriers
that
you've
heard
from
some
developers
or
builders
that
may
be
hesitant
to
do
this
and
how
you've
been
able
to
to
change
their
minds.
I
S
S
It
is
people
just
keep
saying
it's
cost,
it's
cost
it's
cost,
and
what
we
find
is
that
when
you
bring
on
designers
john
alluded
to
this
too
right
the
first
time,
someone
does
something
it
takes
them
longer
to
design
and
they
haven't
done
it
before
so
they're
hesitant
a
lot
of
times.
S
Engineers
who
haven't
done
this
before
will
oversize
their
equipment,
where
really
what
you're,
depending
on,
is
for
the
engineers
to
right-size
equipment
in
the
projects
right
and
so
what
you're
doing
is
really
getting
there
to
be
a
trust
on
the
design
team
and
the
owner
in
terms
of
understanding
the
entire
building
and
how
you
know,
we
said
you
add
more
insulation.
S
Well,
okay,
if
you
had
more
insulation,
then
maybe
your
mechanical
systems
can
be
smaller
right,
and
so
you
have
to
be
able
to
when
you're,
adding
things
you
need
to
be
able
to
take
away
things,
and
so
there's
a
reluctance
for
people
to
take
things
away
and
to
change
the
way
that
they've
been
doing
things.
You
know
for
years
we're
in
a
repeating
loop
of
just
doing
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
there's
risk
associated
with
changing
and
with
change.
S
And
so
I
think
you
know
it's
risk
mitigation
and
it's
once
they
start
seeing
that
it's
possible
that
the
buildings
are
operating
effectively
and
that
you
can
do
it
and
that,
as
we
get
more
and
more
examples
which,
as
you
saw,
the
hockey
stick
of
more
and
more
examples
that
are
going
on
around
the
country
and
even
in
this
area,
that
more
people
are
following
suit.
Once
it
becomes
more
proven.
A
That's
great
and
earlier
so
I
think
you
know
in
some
early
iterations
when
bpda
was
talking
about
their
article
37
process
and
looking
at
creating
this.
I
I
won't
ascribe
this
to
any
individual,
but
it
seemed
to
me
that
30
000
square
feet
was
sort
of
what
was
bandied
about
about
about
sort
of
a
baseline.
That
would
trigger
this
very
gratifying
to
hear
that
number
has
fallen
to
twenty
thousand.
A
As
I
said,
ten
thousand
sounds
even
better,
but
what
what
do
you
think
is
our
realistic
square
footage
that
we
should
be
looking
at
to
sort
of
set
these
guidelines.
S
You're
putting
me
on
the
spot
here
and
I
would
defer
to
some
experts
even
more
than
I
on
on
this.
I
mean
if
you
start
looking,
though,
at
the
work
that
the
indeed
and
that,
if
you
look
at
the
report
from
rocky
mountain
institute,
rocky
mountain
institute
looked
at,
I
think
eight
different
cities
around
the
world
and
found
that
for
other
reds
or
around
the
country
and
found
out
the
residential
scale
that
in
every
single
instance,
they
made
sense
from
a
financial
standpoint
every
single
instance,
including
in
boston.
S
You
know,
and
we're
also
seeing
there's
just
a
recent
study
that
came
out
from
harvard
that
linked
the
financial
benefits
of
the
health
benefits
associated
with
these
buildings
as
well
that
you
can't
do
so.
I
mean,
from
my
standpoint
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
why
you'd
set
a
limit,
but
again,
I
think
it
takes
time.
S
I
think
we're
going
to
be
learning
from
the
masscc
has
a
is
doing
their
triple
decker
competition
right
now
for
renovating,
triple
deckers
to
be
net
zero
and
we'll
be
learning
a
lot
more
coming
out
of
those
types
of
projects.
A
Great
no,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
very
much,
meredith,
dwayne
and
again
wellington
and
grace.
I
look
forward
to
the
days,
hopefully
in
the
not
too
distant
future,
where
wellington
and
grace
are
asking
questions
from
this
side
of
the
of
the
zoom
and
their
continued
leadership
for
our
city.
That's
all
for
me
right
now.
I
will
likely
get
back,
but
I
wanted
to
turn
over
my
colleagues
councilman
braden.
You
have
the
floor.
A
It's
lovely
seeing
mary
in
the
background
briefly,
but
great
to
see
you
councillor
braden
the
floor
as
you
wish.
D
Meredith,
I'm
just
curious
to
one
thing
we
did.
We
did
the
extensive.
We
have
an
old
110
year
old
house
here
and
we've
got
a
a
lot
of
insulation
and
and
what
we
did
for
for
earth
day.
D
A
few
years
ago,
we
took
we
put
up
signs
and
had
people
come
in
and
show
them
our
electricity
bills
and
and
did
a
show
and
tell
are
there
like
demonstration
projects
or
places
where
people
can
go
and
find
out
more
so
that
you
can
reassure
them
about
the
costs
and
the
the
challenges,
the
benefits
and
and
just
to
get
them
some
better
understanding
of
what
we're
talking
about.
When
we
talk
about
net
zero.
S
Absolutely
one
hundred
percent
they,
the
my
organization,
us
green
building,
are
built
environment
plus,
formerly
the
u.s
green
building
council
has
done
tours
around
a
town
of
some
of
some
buildings,
as
well
as
the
north
east
energy
association.
Nessie
also
puts
on
tours
of
buildings
to
show
people
what
what
that
is.
S
I'd
also
say
that
again,
one
of
the
for
the
firms
that
did
the
dnd
project
on
the
residential
scale
is
they're
building
projects
all
over
boston
for
lower
than
market
rate
and
would
absolutely
be
willing
to
to
show
people
and
use
those
as
demonstration
projects.
I'll
tell
you
that
I've
done
this
similar
to
my
own
house,
I've
gone
fully
electric
in
my
own
house.
We
were
part
of
somerville.
Did
a
I'm
in
summerville.
Did
a
tour
like
you
were
saying.
I
think
it
was
around
earth
day
as
well.
S
We
were
on
that
tour
and
my
my
house,
which
is
twice
the
size
of
the
condo
that
we
moved
out
of,
is
using
the
same
amount
of
energy
as
the
condo.
That's
happened.
So
that's
that's
half
the
size
right.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
great
projects
around
boston
and
that
are
available
tour,
and
we
can,
I
think,
it's
a
great
idea
to
do
more.
More
of
that
is
what
I'm.
A
Thank
you
concert
brayden.
We
had
a
tour
scheduled
for
west
roxbury
for
this
pat
earth
day
2020..
Obviously
I
had
to
cancel
it
due
to
the
pandemic,
so
you're
all
invited
over
my
house
next
next
year,
god
willing
counselor
bach.
The
floor
is
now
yours.
I
Thank
you,
council
o'malley.
Unfortunately,
I
have
to
jump
to
a
five
o'clock,
so
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
in
particular
wellington
and
graciela,
both
of
whom
I'm
claiming
for
district
8,
regardless
of
where
they
live
in
the
city,
because
I
am
proud
to
host
both
boston,
latin
school
and
fenway
high
school
in
my
district.
So
just
wanted
to
thank
you
guys
for
your
advocacy
and
also
recognized
that
that
advocacy,
much
like
aces
from
dwayne
much
like
meredith,
is
focused
on.
I
You
know
not
just
words
but
actions,
and
I
think
that
the
city's
talking
today
about
some
really
serious,
concrete
steps,
but
we've
gotta,
we've
gotta,
make
sure
they
make
it
all
the
way
into
law,
as
councilor
o'malley
said
expeditiously,
which
doesn't
always
happen
with
our
zoning
code
and
and
then
to
dwayne's
point
that
they
have
real
enforcement
mechanisms,
because
we
really
just
can't
afford
anything
at
last
for
our
future.
I
So
I'm
grateful
to
all
of
you
grateful
meredith
for
the
tutorial
and
thank
you
again,
councillor
o'malley
for
your
leadership
here.
A
A
You
thank
you
counselor
edwards,
well,
that
that
is
it
for
this
round.
We
have
a
number
of
individuals
who
signed
up
for
public
testimony
invite
panel
to
if
anyone
had
any
closing
statements
that
wanted
to
make
please
the
floor
is
yours
before
we
get
to
just
raise
your
raise
your
physical
hand
or
your
blue
hand,
not
seeing
any.
Thank
you
for
your
partnership.
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
at
the
conclusion
of
this
hearing.
Our
calendar.
A
The
calendar
year
ends
our
legislative
calendar
ends
concurrently,
but
I've
reintroduced
a
net
zero
carbon
hearing
order
throughout
you
know,
I
guess
I
said
the
last
three
or
four
years
we'll
be
doing
so
again
in
2021,
knowing
that
that,
for
the
crucial
second
check
mark
that
we're
looking
at,
which
is
new
construction,
we're
going
to
see
some
some
we're
going
to
see
this
come
to
fruition
again
we're
going
to
hold
the
administration
to
the
late
spring
early
summer
timeline,
but
suffice
it
to
say
there
will
be
another
sort
of
working
session
god
willing
in
person
or,
if
not
virtually
again,
where
we
can
sort
of
check
in
and
make
sure
that
this
is
done
right.
A
So
I'd
love
to
invite
all
of
you
right
now
to
be
part
of
that
as
well
and
just
to
continue
the
oversight,
because
I
think
it's
needed
and
it's
also
important
to
help
celebrate
this
and
help
spread
the
word
so
not
seeing
any
hands
raised
physical
or
otherwise
from
you
all.
A
Thank
you
for
your
great
work
and
leadership
love
to
welcome
you
to
stay
around
as
we
now
turn
it
to
public
testimony,
and
the
first
speaker
I
have
is
grace
melendez,
who
will
be
speaking
from
the
south
street
youth
center
on
the
heart
of
my
district
in
jamaica,
plain
so
grace
melendez,
and
I
also
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
corey
stallings,
who
I
believe
is
here
and
supporting
supporting
grace
as
well.
So
grace
the
floor
is
yours.
U
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
gracie
mendez
and
I've
lived
in
boston,
my
whole
life,
I'm
a
14
year
old
freshman.
I
took
boston
academy
and
I
also
attend
south
shore
youth
center
in
jamaica,
plain
and
there's
where
we
started
working
on
the
project
with
sunrise
movement
just
before
covet
hit,
we
learned
about
the
proposed
green
noob
deal,
how
much
greenhouse
gas
emissions
are
polluting,
our
air
and
the
effect
it
will
have
on
us
and
the
planet.
U
I
think
I've
all
heard
this
before
you
heard
it
on
the
news
commercials
and
newspapers.
Like,
though,
are
we
really
listening?
U
One
thing
I
learned
about
the
process
was
how
much
buildings,
and
specifically
older
buildings
like
the
one
I
live
in,
contribute
to
waste
and
air
pollution.
The
same
gases
we
use
to
heat
our
homes
and
like
our
houses,
are
leading,
are
the
leading
causes
here
in
boston.
So
what
does
that
look
like
for
me?
What
does
that
look
like
for
my
future
kids
or
loved
ones
if
we're
grouped
together
in
old
buildings,
pumping
gas
and
oil
into
the
air?
What
does
that
do
for
my
health?
U
U
U
We
all
have
the
power
to
do
those
changes
and
I
believe
we
have
the
power
to
change
our
futures.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
grace
very
inspiring.
Much
like
your
colleagues
were
on
the
panel
before
I
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
your
your
passion,
obviously
is
is,
is
inspiring,
as
is
your
your
leadership
here
so
well.
Well
said:
next
up
we
have
michelle
brooks
from
the
sierra
club,
who,
I
believe
is
sharing
lisa
owens
testimony
as
well.
Michelle
oh
hold
on
michelle.
E
Thank
you,
my
name
is
michelle.
Brooks
I
usually
hear
pronouns.
I
work
for
the
massachusetts
chapter
of
sierra
club,
but
I
actually
just
wanted
to
have
on
the
public
record
lisa
owens
pinto
remarks
from
city
life,
vita
urbana,
who
was
going
to
be
on
our
advocates
panel,
but
unfortunately
had
to
hop
off.
E
E
The
the
evictions
in
boston
report
that
my
organization,
co-authored
with
mit
researchers,
shows
that
eviction
filings
in
market
rate
rental
housing
are
disproportionately
occurring
in
boston's
communities
of
color
and
particularly
in
black
communities.
Pre-Covered
19,
70
of
all
market
rate
eviction
filings,
are
happening
in
neighborhoods,
where
the
majority
of
residents
are
people
of
color.
E
Even
though
only
half
of
the
rental
housing
stock
is
in
these
neighborhoods
and
then
these
trends
are
magnified
in
black
neighborhoods,
where
the
majority
of
residents
identify
as
black
eviction
filings
are
two
times
more
common
in
black
neighborhoods
than
you
would
expect.
If
these
eviction
filings
were
equally
distributed
throughout
the
city,
so
37
of
market
rate
eviction
filings
occur
in
majority
black
neighborhoods,
even
though
only
18
percent
of
the
rental
housing
stock
is
in
these
neighborhoods.
E
E
We
gathered
all
eviction
filings
from
when
the
outbreak
first
hit
boston
until
the
governor
signed
an
eviction
moratorium
and
found
that
78
of
these
eviction
filings
happened
in
communities
of
color.
This
is
a
small
sample,
but
what
this
research
tells
us
is
that,
in
the
face
of
the
looming
eviction
crisis,
when
the
eviction
moratorium
ends,
the
devastation
of
eviction
is
going
to
be
disproportionately
felt
by
communities
of
color.
E
E
After
the
moratorium
was
lifted,
state
census,
household
pulse
survey
data
showed
that
about
130
000
households
across
the
state
were
not
current
on
rent
of
mass
renters
behind
on
rent
25,
say
they're
very
likely
or
somewhat
likely
to
be
evicted
in
the
next
two
months
of
180
000
households
said
they
about
180
000
households
said
they
didn't
have
confidence
in
their
ability
to
pay.
Last
month's
rent
and
28
of
mass
residents
reported
that
it
was
very
or
somewhat
difficult
to
pay
for
usual
household
expenses.
E
In
the
last
week,
data
suggests
that
these
struggling
tenants
and
homeowners
are
turning
to
unstable,
unsustainable
methods
to
pay
for
things
they
need
in
a
pandemic
like
using
credit
cards
to
pay
for
housing.
Meanwhile,
in
the
few
weeks
since
the
moratorium
was
lifted,
applications
for
rental
assistance
have
increased
exponentially
statewide.
E
These
are
warning
signs
of
the
appendage
impending
eviction
and
foreclosure
tsunami.
Any
policy
related
to
new
residential
construction,
whether
publicly
subsidized
or
privately
owned,
needs
to
attend
to
the
need
for
robust
protections
against
displacement
and
eviction,
while
pursuing
a
net
zero
energy
policy
for
new
developments.
E
As
we've
heard,
zero
emissions
buildings
can
be
cost
effective
and
therefore
need
not
be
drivers
of
displacement,
but
without
building
in
anti-displacement
measures
now
they
could
be.
And
finally,
the
city
needs
to
ensure
there
is
a
structure
for
community
decision
making,
oversight
and
monitoring
over
new,
privately
owned
or
public
private
large
residential
building
projects.
We
don't
have
to
choose
between
climate
readiness,
affordable
development
or
racial
and
economic
justice.
Our
communities
deserve
all
of
them
and
those
are
her
remarks.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
michelle
two
things.
Thank
you
for
your
partnership.
You
have
been
a
vital
partner
in
this
from
day
one
and
thank
you
for
sharing
lisa's
testimony,
obviously
incredibly
moving
incredibly
important,
and
that
intentionality
with
which
you
referenced
in
in
making
us
all
aware
of
the
environmental
justice,
isn't
just
that
zero
carbon
building,
it's
the
housing
and
the
people
behind
it
as
well
that
we
will
continue
to
stay
focused
on.
A
So
I
appreciate
that
coming
up
next,
another
great
partner
in
this
work
from
day
one
khan
and
theroux
goddamn
excuse
me
firo
van
gaal,
mutual
aid,
eastie,
so
apologies
kind
of,
but
always
good,
to
see
you,
my
friend,
I.
V
Couldn't
have
said
it
better
councillor
o'malley,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
obviously
a
lot
of
us
who
spoke
here
in
the
panels
and
outside
the
panels
are
in
agreement.
So
it's
wonderful
to
hear
this
consensus.
The
I
would
only
highlight
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
the
urgency
with
which
we
need
to
do
this,
and
the
other
one
is
how
we
take
a
more
holistic
approach.
V
What
we
heard
from
the
concom
is
that
yeah,
even
we
don't
really
exactly
like
this
idea,
but
the
local
wetlands
ordinance
was
only
passed
very
recently
and
the
regulations
haven't
had
time
to
promulgate,
which
means
we
are
not
within
we're.
Not
it
wouldn't
be
in
our
jurisdiction
to
say
no
to
this
project,
so
something
to
that
extent
or
to
that
effect
was
what
shared
with
us
and
the
project
was
in
fact
approved.
V
So
the
lesson
is,
we
know
what
is
right.
We
know
what
is
good.
We
just
have
to
catch
up
with
the
speed
at
which
development
is
happening,
and
it's
climate
crisis
of
course
has
its
own
pace
and
we
have
to
match
that
pace.
That's
true
everywhere
in
the
world,
but
particularly
in
a
city
like
boston
development,
is
happening
at
a
breakneck
speed.
So
we
need
to
catch
up
with
that
as
well.
Otherwise
we
would
constantly
be
playing
catch
and
missing.
So
that's
on
the
on
the
urgency.
V
I
mean
suffolk
dance,
as
you
know,
is
coming
up
and
there
may
be
a
new
large
building
and
the
size
of
buildings
matters,
because
what
we're
talking
about
here,
if
you
look
at
the
dnd
document
about
zero
net
carbon
zero
emission
buildings,
you'll
see
that
it's.
What
we're
talking
about
is
operational
carbons
emission,
not
what
it
takes
to
gather
the
building
material
and
build
a
building.
So
that's
about
90
of
the
carbon
that's
emitted
by
a
building
is
actually
due
to
the
material
that's
used
to
build
the
building
and
we're
talking
in
net
zero
carbon.
V
We're
only
talking
about
the
carbon
that's
emitted
in
operating
the
building,
which
is
good,
we're
not
saying
that
we're
not
going
to
add
any
carbon
to
the
atmosphere.
We're
saying
we
will
add
carbon
to
the
atmosphere
because
we're
going
to
continue
to
build,
but
we
won't
be
adding
as
much.
That
is
what
we're
saying
right.
So
there
will
be
new
buildings
and
large
buildings
matter
because
they
will
add
significant
amount
of
carbon
to
the
atmosphere
and
one
of
those
will
come
right
up
next
year.
V
So
I
was
very
glad
to
hear
that
we're
going
we're
trying
to
shoot
for
late
spring
in
2021
for
this
to
be
in
effect,
and
I
really
really
hope
we
can
do
that
so
that
we're
not
once
again
in
a
situation
where
we
say
that
large
building
was
started
just
before
we
got
this
in
place.
Definitely
don't
want
to
be
in
that
situation,
so,
just
in
terms
of
you
know,
because
we're
still
going
to
continue
to
add
carbon,
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
taking
a
more
holistic
approach
about
this.
V
Where
you
know,
if
you
travel
to
other
countries,
you
know
that
there
are
efficient
apartments
micro
units
that
we
can
build,
that
people
can
get
used
to.
I
know
that
here
in
america
we
want
everything
to
be
big
and
comfortable,
but
there
is
there
is
we
need
to
create
a
new
world,
which
means
we
need
to
familiarize
people
with
the
new
world
and
also
make
them
comfortable
with
the
fact
that
it
is
okay
to
live
in
smaller
apartments
as
long
as
they
can
be
efficient
units
and
they
can
serve
our
purposes.
V
So
we
have
to
take
on
that
goal
so
that
we
actually
not
we're
building
as
much
as
we
need
to,
but
we're
housing,
more
people
with
those
buildings-
and
you
know
retrofitting
also
is
part
of
that,
and
we
talked
about
people
of
color
in
communities
of
color,
low
income
communities
and
how
climate
justice
has
to
be
part
of
this,
and
it
always
seems
to
be
positioned
as
well
we're
trying
to
do
right
by
the
environment.
Let's
not
forget
the
climate
justice
community.
It
shouldn't
be
that
way
at
all.
V
It
should
be,
let's
make
the
climate
justice
community
part
of
how
we
address
environment.
So
if
we
go
out
and
encourage
small
businesses
that
are
owned
by
people
of
color
people
of
low
income
to
become
viable
businesses,
viable
partners
that
developers
and
the
city
can
contract
with,
so
they
can
come
and
do
the
consulting
on
net
zero
and
the
construction
under
zero
and
whatnot.
So
that'd
be
really
helpful.
The
city
does
have
the
tools
to
do
that.
There
are
the
green
away
and
coming
climate
ready,
boston
leaders.
This
is
a
great
group
of
people.
V
The
city
can
engage
to
spread
word
about
this
socialize.
These
ideas
in
the
communities
and
developers
need
to
hear
about
this
more
so
they
don't
come
back
with
the
same
old
assumptions
about
cost
and
whatnot,
which
we
heard
is
incorrect
and
we
could.
The
city
should
also
be
trying
to
train
willing
people
in
communities,
color
and
low
income
communities,
to
be
these
businesses
and
to
be
these
contractors
that
are
approved
and
ready
to
go
when
the
opportunities
come,
which
we
hope
they
do
soon
and
with
the
bps
curriculum.
V
A
Thank
you
kanan,
and
thank
you
for
that
excellent
point.
You
know.
I
think
we
also
have
an
opportunity,
as
it
relates
to
bps
as
it
relates
to
building
sort
of
the
green
economy,
and
the
green
workforce
is
looking
at
madison
park,
vocational
technical,
high
school
partnering
with
some
of
our
unions,
particularly
the
electrical
workers
union.
It's
really
led,
as
it
relates
to
pv
paneling,
wind
turbines,
etc.
A
So
thank
you
for
that
that
excellent
point
for
your
great
work
here
up
next,
we
have
andy
kasner
krasner
from
mothers
out
front
jp
andy
great,
to
see
you
via
zoom
and
thank
you
again,
I'm
getting
in
trouble,
but
everyone,
you
know
it
seems
like
everyone
we've
had
testifying
and
we'll
continue
to
testify,
has
been
sitting
with
us
in
the
trenches,
typically
in
the
pmonty
room
for
the
number
of
last
number
of
years
now,
and
you
and
mothers
out
front
have
been
remarkable
partners
in
this
work.
A
So
it's
great
to
see
you
it's
great
to
see
you.
Thank
you.
W
Muted,
andy,
oh
there
we
go.
Can
we
try
again?
Well,
I
want
to
thank
you
councillor,
o'malley,
for
your
partnership
as
well,
and
the
members
of
the
council
for
holding
this
important
hearing
today.
W
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
Like
covid,
climate
change
is
a
health
emergency
that
gets
worse
and
more
expensive.
The
longer
we
ignore
it,
and
so
we
need
bold
action
now
to
ensure
a
livable
climate
for
the
next
generation
of
bostonians.
With
net
zero
carbon
buildings.
We
not
only
get
lower.
We
not
only
lower
boston's
carbon
footprint,
but
we
actually
produce
a
lot.
Less
pollution.
W
Boston
will
benefit
from
a
number
of
health
improvements
right
away,
which
also
have
cost
impacts
according
to
an
mit
study.
Buildings
are
the
number
one
cause
of
air
pollution
related
deaths
in
massachusetts,
and
this
makes
sense,
if
you
think
about
it,
we
burn
gas
and
oil
in
our
homes
and
then
we
vent
the
pollution
directly
into
our
neighborhood
streets.
W
Improvements
in
air
quality
from
reduced
building
emissions
can
lead
to
reductions
in
premature
death,
heart
attacks
and
asthma,
which
boston
is
known
for
across
the
united
states.
So
bostonians
are
leaders
in
innovation
and
we
should
lead
the
transition
to
building
21st
century
buildings.
Carbon
belching
buildings
are
like
a
blackberry
phone,
outdated
technology,
as
we've
heard
today,
we
can
absolutely
do
better
and
I
urge
the
council
to
pass
a
net
zero
carbon
ordinance
for
new
buildings
with
our
transition
to
low
carbon
future.
W
A
I
think
I
know
by
now
counselor
madam
vice
cherry.
I
think
I
know
by
now.
It's
only
been
eight
months,
but
thank
you
for
that.
Next,
on
my
list,
I
have
carla
says
also
from
mothers
out
front.
I
don't
see
her
on
the
list.
We
may
have
lost
her.
I
do
see
bob
tampowski,
my
old
friend,
who
is
after
carla,
so
bob.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
and
then,
if
carla
would
like
to
testify,
she
may
just
come
back
to
the
room.
X
X
The
other
piece
that
I
just
and
other
people
have
mentioned
as
well.
We
have,
I
believe,
over
a
hundred
thousand
existing
buildings
in
this
city
and
the
retrofit
cost
and
process
is
going
to
be
brutal,
and
yet
we
need
to
do
it.
X
A
Thank
you
bob
appreciate
all
of
that,
as
as
many
speakers
have
said,
the
the
the
talk
that
this
needs
to
the
racial
justice
issue
as
well
as
we
talk
about
environmental
justice,
obviously
making
sure
that
there
is
oversight
and
it's
implemented.
I
had
said
that
to
the
bpda.
Often
it
can
be
contentious
council
hearings
with
them.
A
This
wasn't
one
and
we'll
take
them
at
the
word,
we'll
push
them
and
we'll
take
them
to
make
sure
that
they
live
up
to
their
word,
that
this
will
go
into
effect,
god
willing
by
next
summer.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
then
there
will
be
oversight
if
people
aren't
compliance,
because
it's
too
important
of
an
issue
to
allow
for
loopholes
or
allow
for
on
enforcement.
So
appreciate.
All
of
that
I
see
carla
has
returned
and
I
did
get
a
note
in
between
that
you
may
be
having
some
spotty
internet.
A
So
if,
if
certainly
understand
that,
if
that's
the
case
but
carla
will
we'll
give
you
a
shot
so
far,
we
can
see
it
clearly.
So
it's
good
to
see
you.
Y
Hi
yeah
thanks
for
giving
me
a
second
chance
there.
I
dropped
off
for
a
minute,
so
my
name
is
carlos
roozi
and
I.
Y
A
I
think
we
just
lost
you
again,
carla
we
heard
my
name
is
carla
soruzi
and
I
am
and
then
you
froze
you
may
want
to
try
turning
your
video
off,
in
which
case
you
could
just
speak,
and
we
can
hear
you
if
that
works.
A
Otherwise,
we
can
also-
I
know
andy
was
gonna,
read
your
testimony
or
you
can
send
it
to
us
and
we'll
make
sure
it's
circulated
among
all
the
counselors.
Y
Y
Will
do
that
yeah?
Sorry,
I'm
using
my
phone
as
a
hot
spot,
so.
Y
Sure
so
I've
lived
in
east
boston
for
the
last
10
years
and
I'm
an
architect
mother
of
two
and
a
volunteer
with
mothers
out
front
east
boston,
and
you
know
I'll
I'll
skip
to
the
meat
here.
Y
I
think
emissions
from
buildings
are
a
huge
part
of
both
air
pollution
and
climate
change,
and
I
think
about
this
every
day
as
an
architect
in
my
work,
as
others
have
mentioned,
it
takes
a
long
time
to
plan
finance
design
and
build
a
building,
and
once
it's
up
and
running
it
may
be
with
us
for
100
years
or
more
so,
there's
an
urgency.
Y
The
right
time
to
make
change
is
now
and
as
an
industry
we're
getting
better
at
building
efficient
all-electric
buildings
with
lower
embodied
carbon
and
no
fossil
fuels,
but
we
designers
and
engineers
already
know
how
to
do
this
and
construction
companies
know
how
to
do
this.
Y
Y
Green
building
standards
that
once
seemed
ambitious
or
unrealistic,
can
quickly
become
the
norm
once
it
becomes
something
that
everyone
does
and
municipal
buildings,
as
has
been
mentioned,
are
already
being
held
to
the
net
zero
carbon
standards,
which
is
great.
This
proposed
legislation
would
give
private
developers
and
institutions
the
same
push,
so
I
want
to
design
greener
buildings,
and
I
want
my
kids
to
grow
up
in
a
cleaner,
greener
city,
and
this
would
be
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
kyle.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
appreciate
those
wonderful
and
inspiring
words.
That
is
all
I
have
for
public
testimony.
Unless
I'm
missing
anyone,
please
speak
now
or
forever
hold
your
peace.
I
don't
believe
I
know
counselor
braden
had
to
to
jump
off.
I
didn't
know
if
counselor,
edwards
or
council
president
janie
had
any
concluding
comments.
You're
welcome
to
share
seeing
and
hearing
none.
I
would
just
like
to
again
thank
everybody.
A
This
has
been
a
long
hearing
two
and
a
half
hours,
but
it
was
an
incredibly
worthwhile
hearing
and,
as
I
said,
the
our
little
group
had
begun
in
earnest
a
number
of
years
ago
recognizing
the
importance
of
net
zero
carbon
construction.
You
know
we
are
in
boston's
second
bill,
third,
second
or
third
biggest
building
boom
in
our
nearly
400
year
history.
A
Obviously,
we
are
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
a
post-covered
construction
climate
may
be
different,
but
I
think
it
also
underscores
the
need
for
bold
action
as
it
relates
to
climate
now,
starting
with
our
buildings
will
do
just
that.
We
had
begun
this
process.
A
Looking
at
city
buildings,
which
we've
through
the
partnership
with
the
mayor
is
now
city
policy,
the
next
big
step,
the
crucial
step
is
going
to
be
new
buildings,
which
will
be
the
policy
within
six
or
so
or
seven
months,
and
then
we'll
be
talking
about
retrofitting
and
how
we
can
do
it.
We
have
nine
years
to
really
make
this
happen.
We
have
to
be
bold,
we
have
to
be
quick
and
I'm
committed
to
doing
everything
I
can
to
get
there,
and
I
know
you
are
as
well.
A
So
thank
you
to
our
advocates
a
special
shout
out
to
ricky
harvey
who
did
not
testify,
but
has
just
been
instrumental
and
a
great
partner
to
me
in
this
work,
and
I
also
wanted
to
really
acknowledge
and
thank
jessica
morris.
My
deputy
chief
of
staff
who's
really
been
my
go-to
in
all
things
climate
and
we're
just
delighted
with
this.
This
was
a
great
hearing
we
wanted
to
have
one
in
before
the
end
of
the
year.
A
We
will
be
reintroducing
this
in
january
or
february
of
the
new
calendar
year
and
we're
looking
forward
to
having
a
celebratory
hearing
or
a
celebratory
working
session
as
we
get
closer
to
when
this
will
be
implemented
when
the
article
37
process
will
be
completed
and
looking
at
next
steps
from
there.
A
So
I
had
not
seen
any
other
hands
raised
or
participants
looking
to
speak
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
great
work,
have
a
very
happy
and
safe
and
socially
distant,
thanksgiving,
happy
and
healthy
holiday
season.
Look
forward
to
continuing
the
work
which
urgency
has
never
been
more
fierce
in
2021.