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From YouTube: Environment & Sustainability/ City, Neighborhood Services & Veteran Affairs on June 23, 2017
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Docket #0822- Joint Committee hearing regarding reducing the carbon footprint of Boston City Hall and other Municipal Buildings
A
A
Today
is
a
joint
hearing
between
my
committee
and
my
dear
friend,
councillor
Tim
McCarthy,
from
district
5,
who
is
also
the
chairman
on
the
Committee
on
City
Neighborhood,
Services
and
Veterans
Affairs,
we're
also
joined
by
the
council
president
at-large
counselor
Michelle
woo,
who
is
the
lead
sponsor
alongside
city
councilor,
at-large
Michael
Flaherty
on
docket
number
0
8
to
2,
which
is
a
reduces
regarding
the
carbon
footprint
of
Boston,
City,
Hall
and
other
municipal
buildings.
I
want
to
thank
the
makers
of
the
hearing.
A
Order
to
council
president
Wu
and
councillor
polarity
as
well
as
Tim,
McCarthy
and
I
anticipate
other
councillors
may
join
us
throughout
the
course
of
the
morning.
I
really
want
to
thank
our
esteemed
panelists
we're
joined
by
chief
Austin,
Blackman,
Katherine,
Walsh
and
Peter
O'sullivan.
We're
going
to
help
us
really
engage
in
a
good
conversation
on
ways
that
we
can
make
both
city
hall
and
hopefully
encourage
other
municipal
buildings
and
other
buildings
private
buildings
as
well
to
be
more
energy.
A
A
Commercial
buildings
in
Boston,
including
municipal
buildings,
contribute
to
52.2%
of
the
city's
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
That's
according
to
a
better
city's
report.
In
partnership
with
the
city's
green
ribbon
commission
nationally,
our
households
and
commercial
buildings
account
for
40%
of
our
energy
consumption.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
can
do
to
obviously
address
that
and
make
sure
that
we
can
have
greener
Greater
buildings
and
do
more
to
make
this
a
leader
on
so
many
environmental
initiatives.
I
was
very
pleased
to
work
with
with
some
of
your
predecessors,
some
of
you
as
well
I.
A
Think
Peter
was
involved
as
well
in
passing
beardo
the
Boston
Energy
reporting
disclosure
ordinance
back
in
2012
and
13
under
former
Mayor
Tom
Menino,
and
so
it's
that
my
line
of
questioning
will
relate
to
Berto
as
well
as
other
things
we
can
do
going
forward.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
can
do
that
will
have
an
enormous
impact
and
we
all
know
that
I
know
we
all
stand
united
I
want
to
thank
at-large
council
Aneesa,
sabe
Jorge
for
joining
us
as
well.
A
B
B
It's
not
a
popular
conversation,
because
it's
taxpayers
money
for
our
own
building,
but
as
we
get
deeper
into
what
we're
spending
into
this
building
in
to
heat
it
to
cool
it
to
energize,
it
we'll
start
to
see
the
true
numbers
and
how
much
we're
actually
losing
and
possibilities
of
repair
to
this
building,
how
much
that
would
cost
versus
a
possibility
of
a
new
building
when
I
was
knocking
doors.
Three
years
ago,
four
years
ago
there
was
a
gentleman
in
Roslindale
who
is
an
architect
and
he
had
once
when
I
knocked
on
the
door.
B
He
said
what
do
you
think
about
City
Hall
and
said
well,
I've
been
there
since
1993,
it's
not
my
favorite
building
and
he
said
great
and
for
the
next
hour
he
pulled
out
papers
on
how
he
would
redesign
the
inside
of
the
building.
So
I
still
have
those.
So
you're
certainly
welcome
to
take
a
peek
at
that
and
he
was
talking
about
energy
savings
and
cost
savings,
and
it
was
a
very
interesting
conversation,
but
this
is
something
that's
going
to
be
an
interesting,
a
long
conversation
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
process.
Thank.
C
C
We
could
do
no
app,
no
matter
how
small
to
have
an
impact
immediately
and
counsel.
Flaherty
had
entered
a
similar,
almost
exactly
the
same
topic
of
a
very
similar
hearing
order
back
in
2008,
so
he's
been
thinking
about
City
Hall
municipal
buildings
for
a
while
as
well.
So
really
excited
to
have
you
all
here
with
us
today
for
a
good
conversation,
not
just
City,
Hall
and
sort
of
city
of
Boston,
but
also
bps
here,
represented
and
I
know.
C
E
A
A
F
Problem
I'm
Austin,
Blackman,
chief
of
the
chief
of
environment,
energy
and
open
space
for
the
City
of
Boston
I'm,
a
resident
here
in
Boston
as
well
Thank
You
counselor
for
inviting
us
to
testify
today.
Thank
you
to
councillor
O'malley
councillor
McCarthy
for
chairing
the
hearing,
Thank
You,
counselors
whoo
and
a
flurry
for
calling
us
in
today
and,
of
course,
Thank
You
councillor
asabi
Jared
George
for
attending
as
well
on
behalf
of
Mayor
Walsh
and
his
team.
I'd
really
like
to
thank
you
for
your
partnership
and
make
the
in
Boston
a
greener
and
healthier
place.
F
F
As
councillor
O'malley
mentioned,
we
lit
City
Hall
green
in
the
aftermath
of
the
fallout
from
the
Paris
agreement,
I'll
point
out
that
those
were
with
LED
bulbs
that
were
recently
installed
here
at
City
Hall,
and
he
directed
Boston
also
earlier
in
the
past
year
to
accelerate
our
efforts
to
reduce
carbon
emissions,
asking
us
to
form
plans
to
become
completely
carbon
neutral
by
2050
who's.
Also,
one
of
the
first
mayors
to
caution
and
criticized
President
Trump
for
point
out
of
the
Paris
agreement
and
since
then
he's
been
joined
by
300
other
mayors,
actually
more
than
300.
F
Now,
both
Republicans
and
Democrats,
representing
over
50
million
Americans.
These
mayors
have
all
publicly
pledged
to
uphold
the
tenets
of
the
Paris
agreement
as
part
of
a
group
called
climate
mayor,
Mayor
Walsh
is
also
the
vice
chair
of
c40
climate
days
and
their
national
coalition
of
cities
who
work
together
to
protect
their
residents
from
the
impact
of
planning
fee.
F
While
all
this
work
is
incredibly
important,
even
more
important
that
we
lead
by
example
here
in
Boston
before
we
talk
about
our
work
on
the
ground,
I'd
like
to
introduce
my
esteemed
colleagues
from
the
city,
I
have
Joe
Callahan.
The
Deputy
Commissioner
of
property
management
here,
he's
also
joined
by
Peter
O'sullivan
in
the
audience.
An
asset
manager
at
property
and
construction
management,
Katherine
Walsh
to
my
left
is
also
joining
us
from
Boston
Public
Schools
she's,
the
sustainability
and
environmental
resources
manager.
F
He
works
very
closely
with
our
other
departments
on
identifying
opportunities
to
reduce
energy
use
and
emissions
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
along
with
a
team
at
Boston,
Public,
Library,
the
finance
cabinet
and
using
a
system
that
our
department
of
information
technology
help
procure
Adam
helped
identify
a
Billina
reg,
several
building,
building
irregularities
that
have
saved
our
taxpayers
a
million
dollars
in
just
this
year
alone,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
gave
Adam
some
kudos
for
that.
Susan
is
also
our
our
director
of
recycling.
F
She
works
with
the
staff
at
Public
Works
very
closely
on
our
zero
waste
planning
efforts,
which
are
just
now
getting
started.
My
colleagues
in
the
chamber
are
just
a
handful
of
the
city's
team
they're
working
to
make
our
buildings
more
healthy
and
safer
for
us
at
work
and
actually
visit
mayor
Walsh
believes
it's
important
to
push
forward
on
this
work,
particularly
as
we
see
the
federal
government,
retreating,
heating
and
cooling.
F
These
buildings
represent
about
sixty
four
percent
of
municipal
operations,
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
so
they're
our
largest
opportunity
and
our
largest
area
of
focus
through
a
program
called
renew
Boston
trust
and
to
go
to
councilor
McCarthy's
comment
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we're
being
responsible
stewards
of
our
taxpayers
dollars.
This
program
is
really
focusing
on
the
best
opportunities
to
save
money
for
the
city.
So
we've
already
done
a
preliminary
assessment
of
266
of
our
C's
buildings.
That's
covering
about
90%
of
the
square
footage
that
the
city
maintained.
F
Eventually,
this
program
will
allow
us
to
manage
energy
retrofits
that
are
self
financed.
In
other
words,
they
will
identify
so
much
cost
savings
that
they
will
offset
any
of
the
construction
and
planning
costs
for
the
buildings
themselves,
so
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
those
taxpayer
dollars
very
wisely.
The
selection
of
properties
for
the
first
phase
of
this
process
is
currently
underway
and
is
scheduled
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
the
year.
Once
that
first
phase
is
done.
F
We
anticipate
that
we
will
juice
more
phases
to
actually
complete
more
and
more
of
these
upgrades,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
focus
on
some
of
the
largest
opportunities
first,
just
a
little
bit
on
recycling.
Recycling
is
another
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Boston
to
improve
and
we've
taken
steps
here
at
City
Hall
over
the
past
year,
recycling
rates
already
improved
by
four
percent
and
as.
F
The
city
is
kicking
off
its
zero
waste
planning
process.
We
recently
released
the
request
for
proposals
for
a
consultant
to
give
us
some
recommendations
on
how
the
city
can
become
as
city.
The
plan
will
recommend
goals
and
timelines
for
waste
reduction
and
disposal
costs
for
the
commercial
industrial
institutional,
as
well
as
the
residential
sectors.
We
expect
to
identify
consultant
this
summer
and
begin
the
process.
This
fall
all
the
renewed
enthusiasm
around.
G
I,
just
briefly
that
the
property
management
department
is
very
excited
to
be
here
and
participate.
We
work
very
closely
with
the
Environment
Department
and
mr.
Blackman
mentioned
Peter
O'sullivan
that
works
with
us.
In
addition,
I
just
like
to
add,
Kenya
Jermaine
has
recently
joined
our
staff
and
she's
sitting
sitting
behind
me
and
she
is
working
very
closely
with
the
Environment
Department
and
Miss
casino
when
the
recycling
initiative
in
City
Hall.
Thank
you
thank.
D
H
Important
hearing
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
some
of
the
actions
the
Boston
Public
Schools,
is
taking
to
reduce
the
city's
carbon
footprint
and
to
advance
a
more
sustainable
public
school
system.
First
bps
is
one
of
seven
K
through
12,
twelve
districts
recently
selected
to
participate
in
the
US
Green
Building
Council's
arc,
plus
schools
version
one
program
arc
is
a
web
based
platform
that
will
enable
us
to
track
report
and
share
the
sustainability
metrics
of
our
schools.
H
By
participating
in
the
version
1
program,
we
will
have
the
unique
opportunity
to
benchmark
with
our
peers
access
Center
for
Green,
Schools
expertise
and
support
and
help
us
GBC
develop
the
platform
for
future
K
through
12
districts,
metrics
that
we
will
be
tracking
include
energy,
water,
waste
transportation,
human
experience,
health
and
wellness
in
curriculum
students,
teachers
and
school
leaders
will
be
fully
involved
in
the
collection
of
these
metrics,
which
is
an
excellent
engagement
opportunity
for
us.
Vbs
has
selected
15
schools
to
participate
in
this
upcoming
year.
H
This
year-long
pilot
will
greatly
improve
the
tracking
and
reporting
of
bps
sustainability
metrics,
thereby
helping
us
identify
opportunities
for
new
initiatives
in
areas
such
as
building
performance,
health
and
wellness
and
sustainability
literacy.
Our
participation
in
arc
plus
schools
aligns
very
well
with
the
vision
of
build
bps.
As
you
know,
under
the
leadership
of
Mayor
Walsh
and
superintendent,
Chang
Boston
Public
Schools
we'll
be
investing
1
billion
dollars
into
our
schools
through
this
program,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
support
on
this
as
well.
H
This
investment
will
include
maximizing
the
energy
efficiency
of
BPS
buildings,
incorporating
green
building
design
guidelines
and
improving
standards
for
healthy
school
environments.
In
addition
to
build
BPS
BPS
buildings
are
included
in
renew
boston
trust,
which
will
recommend
and
provide
opportunities
for
energy
efficiency
improvements.
H
Bps
is
also
committed
to
enhancing
its
existing
reuse
and
single
stream
recycling
programs
and
pursuing
new
initiatives
towards
a
goal
of
zero
waste.
These
efforts
are
currently
supported
by
the
BTS
seer
waste
committee,
which
includes
representatives
from
BPS
city
of
boston
and
community
partners,
and
I
must
especially
thank
Susan
casino
has
just
been
a
complete
champion
for
helping
bps
schools
with
our
zero
waste
programs.
H
Bps
will
also
be
participating
in
the
lead
by
example,
committee
as
part
of
the
city
of
Boston's
zero
waste
planning
process.
Lastly,
a
great
point,
a
point
of
great
pride
and
success
within
bps
is
our
Boston
school
yard
initiative
and
outdoor
classrooms.
Since
1995,
the
Boston
school
yard
initiative
has
transformed
eighty
eight
school
yards
from
asphalt,
Lots
to
spaces
for
play,
learning
and
community.
These
transformations
include
the
outdoor
classrooms,
which
provides
students
with
hands-on
outdoor
learning
opportunities
in
subject
areas
like
science,
math,
social
studies,
language,
arts
and
visual
arts.
H
A
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you.
I've
work,
it's
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
your
respective
departments-
and
it's
been
great
I-
know
like
we
should
give
leadership
in
this
space.
I
have
a
couple
overarching
questions
before
I
turn
it
over
to
my
colleagues.
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
but
just
it's
part
and
parcel
less
about
City
Hall
specifically,
but
some
of
our
community
centers
several
years
ago,
I
think
we're
probably
going
back
three
or
four
years
ago.
A
F
I
think
that's
actually
two
separate
grants
that
we
received
one
of
the
grants
for
the
communications
equipment
that
the
city
owns
is
actually
a
partnership
with
the
Boston
Medical
Center,
so
part
of
that
was
to
provide
some
resiliency
benefits
with
some
battery
storage
that
would
and
a
solar
facility
that
would
actually
help
power.
Some
of
the
communication
assets
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
Boston.
F
F
D
F
Believe
that
they're
installed
on
the
the
center
itself
on
the
road
yeah
exactly
and
so
that's
up
and
going
okay
great,
then
we're
also
looking
at.
We
also
received
another
grant
for
some
of
our
BC
YF
facilities,
as
you
mentioned,
to
make
them
more
resilient,
using
storage
technology
and
we're
in
the
process
of
working
with
the
state.
We've
had
a
couple
conversations
with
them
in
terms
of
the
best
way
that
we
can
finance
it.
F
So
there
was
a
little
bit
of
discussion
as
to
whether
the
city
would
have
to
actually
own
those
assets
or
if
we
could
potentially
use
a
financing
tool
that
would
allow
us
at
a
much
lower
cost,
to
deploy
a
larger
battery
and
have
more
resilient
a
more
resilient
operation
at
those
facilities.
So
we're
still
in
the
process
of
executing
that
that
grant
okay.
F
A
Us
posted
and
then
sure
I
know
it's
not
as
simple
as
putting
PV
paneling
on
every
roof.
It
can
be.
There
are
a
million
different
factors
that
go
into
it,
but
has
there
been
talk
and
it
may
be
the
not
the
optimal
site
because
of
some
of
the
higher
buildings
are
honest
but
putting
a
solar
roof
on
City
Hall.
It's.
F
Something
that's
been
considered,
as
you
mentioned.
Shading
is
an
issue
also
there's
some
consideration,
as
in
terms
of
whether
it
would
be
a
more
appropriate
use
for
some
of
any
of
the
buildings,
not
just
specifically
City
Hall,
whether
it
would
be
a
more
cost-effective
use
to
do
off-site
solar
and.
D
F
Leverage
the
limited
opportunities
that
we
have
with
our
space
here
for
green
roofs
also
can
have
some
benefit
to
thermal
envelopes
and
also
some
benefits
to
stormwater
management
as
well.
But
that's
something
that
we're
continuously
studying
as
part
of
the
renew
Boston
trust
and
some
other
initiatives
that
are
going
on,
say.
A
There
is
a
lot
of
real
estate
up
there
and
I
know
other
cities
whether
several
other
towns
in
Massachusetts
have
have
built
solar
farms
which
they
are
using
for
their
municipal
buildings
and
also
to
some
residents
as
well.
We
don't
have
the
luxury
of
that
much
space,
but
I,
wonder
you
know.
Roxbury
Community
College
has
just
built
a
canopy
over
their
parking
lot.
It's
all
solar
paneling
and
it's
going
to
serve
as
much
of
the
school's
needs
and
I
was
I,
get
to
tour
it
and
meet
with
the
president
some
of
her
team.
It's
wonderful!
A
F
Certainly
is,
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
tour
the
facility
at
Roxbury,
Community
College
as
well.
It's
absolutely
phenomenal
structure.
It's
got
the
car
charging
stations
as
well,
so
those
who
have
electric
vehicles
now
those
vehicles
are
completely
emissions
free
when
they
charge
there.
So
that
looks
great.
F
I
think
that,
particularly
for
some
of
the
benefits
that
you
mentioned,
whether
it's
to
cover
existing
parking
in
during
the
winter,
providing
some
benefit
there
in
terms
of
reducing
the
amount
of
snow
that
we
would
have
to
clear,
while
also
offsetting
a
substantial
amount
of
electric
load.
Those
are
certainly
things
that
we'll
be
looking
at
as
we
move
forward
with
the
renew
Boston
trust.
Another
initial
yeah
and.
A
I
think
I've
said
this
ad
nauseam
and
it
bears
repeating
that
not
only
is
there
this
site-geist
about
the
importance
of
acting
now
now,
not
not
not
this
isn't
going
to
affect
our
grandkids.
This
is
going
to
affect
us,
so
we
have
to
act
now,
but
if
done
right,
it
can
also
be
beneficial
for
the
taxpayer
to
the
rate
payer
for
a
whole
host
of
reasons.
Specifically
at
City
Hall.
Do
we
compost
I
know
we
have
two
cafeterias:
do
we
compost
the
food?
It's
the
excess
food.
It
comes
from
those
not.
F
From
the
cafeterias
themselves,
we
do
have
some
opportunities
at
City
Hall,
where
composting
is
available,
including
in
the
Environment
Department.
We've
got
a
small
Bend
that
we
that
we
use.
We
also
have
one
of
our
project
Oscar
locations.
So
these
are
our
neighborhood
beyond
posts.
Pens,
that's
located
on
City
Hall
plaza
where.
A
Where
the
food
trucks
go,
so
that's
that's
helpful,
I,
wonder
if
we,
if
we
could
somehow
encourage
you,
know
Mike
and
Peter
to
take
advantage
of
those
the
team
that
would
help
their
their
cost
and
then
what
you
know.
One
say
one
of
my
first
herring
orders
was
getting
more
water
filling
stations
in
our
parks
and
playgrounds,
and
it's
now
part
of
respect.
It's
been
great.
Massachusetts
ranks.
A
Fourth
in
the
country
for
the
number
among
all
states,
even
though
population
wise
are
in
the
middle
of
the
pack,
we're
number
four
in
our
consumption
of
single-use
plastic
bottles.
We're
healthier,
Bunch
I'd
like
to
think,
but
also
the
fact
that
that
those
aren't
recycled
those
litter.
We
have
most
offices
have
those
water
bubblers,
which
you
know
the
fall
and
spring
ones
which
are
great.
But
what
about
getting
water
filling
stations?
You
know
in
every
in
every
wing
of
this
of
this
building,
I
think.
F
It's
a
great
idea
councillor.
It's
part
of
what
this
study
will
look
at
and
renew
Boston
trust
it
so
just
to
point
that
out,
it's
not
just
about
electric
savings,
but
it's
also
about
savings
that
we
can
have
on
our
water
use
as
well.
So,
even
if
that's
looking
at
our
bubblers
air
or
the
facilities
that
we
have
in
our
restrooms,
that's
certainly
something
that
we'll
be
looking
at.
As
you
know,
some
of
our
our
filling
stations
here
at
City
Hall
make
it
not
particularly
easy
to
use.
A
I
would
argue
that
that
investing
in
fixing
the
the
broken-down
water
filling
stations
would
be
more
than
would
save
the
investing
in
those
would
be
significantly
less
than
continuing
to
pay
for
whatever
our
monthly
bill
is.
For
you
know
the
private
water
distribution
and
then
are
all
have
all
municipal
city
buildings
and
there's
about
how
many
260
266
buildings
account
for
90%
of
the
square
footage.
How
many
total
city
buildings
are
there
believe.
F
The
preliminary
audit
assessment
is
just
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
for
those
266
buildings.
So
as
of
next
year,
we
will
have
to
address
how
we
get
the
remaining
buildings,
either
an
assessment
or
demonstrate
that
they
have
reduced
their
energy
use
by
fifteen
percent.
So
that's
something
that
the
Environment
Department
is
actively
pursuing
right
now
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
compliance
in
that
May
of
2018
for
the
2017
year,
great
and.
A
G
To
the
current
lighting
system,
we
just
installed
a
very
high-tech
LED
system
in
the
lobby
and
externally
in
the
building
and-
and
the
really
nice
thing
is
that
the
LED
bulbs
last
about
20
years
compared
to
the
old
version
which
lasted
about
four
years,
so
we're
going
to
save
substantially
on
plus
we're
going
to
save
substantially
on
energy
costs.
In
addition,
manpower
costs
of
the
amount
of
time
that
would
take
our
employees
to
reach
lightbulbs
and
change
them
by
moving
to
the
LED
bulbs.
It's
it's!
It's
a
it's
a
win-win
situation
for
us,
yuge.
A
B
You
very
much
councillor
you
councillor,
Malley
kind
of
went
down.
The
road
I
wanted
to
go
down
with
the
the
solar
panels
on
the
roof,
but
to
take
that
in
another
level,
if
the
solar
panels,
if
this
building
isn't
equipped
for
solar
panels
because
of
I,
don't
want
to
bring
up
the
whole
shadow
thing
again,
our
shadows,
but
if
we
can't
put
solar
panels
up
there,
we
thought
about
a
green
roof.
We
thought
about
access
to
the
roof.
It's
you
know.
B
F
We
did
it,
we
do
have
a
pilot
green
roof
on
some
of
the
public
areas
on
the
patio
on
the
eighth
and
I
believe.
Also
on
the
ninth
floor.
So
we
do
have
some
installations
there
and
we've
got
some
small
plants
that
are
not
super
water,
dependent
and
low
maintenance,
and
so
that's
certainly
helping
towards
that
cause
and
it's
something
that
will
we'll
look
at
continuing
to
expand
but
I'll.
Let
Joe
expand
on
some
of
the
challenges
around
the
total
area
and
installing
a
green
roof
and
access
on
the
top
ability.
The.
G
The
s
mentioned
the
green
roofs
on
the
terraces
on
the
eighth
and
ninth
floor
working
well,
they
were
installed
I,
think
by
the
BPD
a
years
ago,
very
low
maintenance
and
a
lot
of
great
benefits,
even
the
ambience
for
our
employees
to
take
a
lunch,
a
coffee
break
out
there,
the
the
rooftop
more
problematic
we
get
into
all
kinds
of
engineering
issues
with
with
weight,
loads
and
safety
issues.
I
can't
give
you
any
definite
answer
right
now,
we'll
continue
to
work
with
the
Environment
Department
on
that
issue.
B
Okay,
so
I
know,
council
flurry
called
council,
woo
and
I
know.
One
of
the
questions
he's
going
to
ask
is
that
when
you
regarding
the
lights
on
our
side
of
the
bill
that
side
of
the
building
we
have
liked
to
never
shut
off,
we
don't
know
where
the
switches
are.
We've
literally
searched
for
the
switches
that
shut
the
lights
off
in
our
offices
and
we
can't
shut
them
off.
So
that's
more
of
a
building
request
than
than
anything
else,
but
yeah.
B
B
B
How
much
would
we
spend
to
make
it
worthwhile
and
would
it
be
worthwhile
to
look
at
another
place
if
that
money
is
too
much
so
I
know
that
that's
what
your
report
is
going
to
do
and
ultimately,
as
we
go
further
with
the
working
sessions
and
everything,
that's
what
we
have
to
talk
about,
because
when
you
walk
on
the
5th
or
heading
towards
the
side
of
the
building,
when
you
look
up,
you
can
see
almost
to
the
ceiling.
It's
complete
wasted
space
and
we
eat
that.
B
Is
that
worth
it
more
so
than
than
actually
looking
into
a
more
modern
building,
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
report
to
see
exactly
what
they
say,
I
think
probably
the
latter,
but
we'll
see
exactly
and
we'll
see
exactly
where
we
stand,
but
thank
you
for
all.
Your
efforts,
Peter
and
Sue
have
been
always
so
responsible
to
me.
I've
never
met
Adam,
but
clearly
good
return
on
investment
there.
So
you
saved
a
million
bucks.
That's
not
bad!
That's
good
stuff!
So
thanks
Council
Thank.
C
You
very
much
one
topic
that
I
did
not
anticipate
coming
out
of
this
hearing
order
was
the
whole
should
we
tear
City
Hall
down
conversation
I.
Think
I
was
blinded
by
my
love
for
the
architecture
and
the
building
and
I
think
it's
an
important
point
that
throughout
Boston
we
have
lots
of
old
buildings
that
are
historic
and
beautiful
and
significant
for
other
way.
C
So
we
need
to
my
case
is
going
to
be
that
we
need
to
use
City
Hall
as
an
example
for
how
to
blend
balanced
historic
preservation
with
sort
of
forward-looking
sustainability,
but
I
will
defend
City
Hall
until
the
very
end,
so
I
wanted
to
I.
Think
I'll
probably
go
a
couple
rounds,
but
for
the
first
round
I
wanted
to
focus
on
the
energy
contract
procurement
stuff,
as
well
as
recycling,
just
as
two
areas
that
I
think
are
more
immediate,
because
everything
else,
heating
and
cooling
lighting
water
management,
roof
stuff
requires
investment
and
infrastructure.
C
Change
that
you
know
it
is,
in
the
even
medium
term,
probably
cost
savings,
but
does
require
more
of
a
big
ship
where
these
two
are
easily
within
our
grasp.
So
I
guess
taking
one
step
back
and
following
along
counsel,
Mally's
line
of
questioning
chief.
Could
you
just
go
into
one
more
level
of
detail
about?
The
city's
summarize
see
these
carbon
footprint,
so
you
mentioned
320
buildings.
What
else
do
you
think
about
as
you're
calculating
what
the
you
know,
capital
C
city
of
Boston,
puts
out
sure.
F
This
city
buildings
are
obviously
the
largest
opportunity,
they're,
certainly
the
area
of
focus,
and
we
are
actively
moving
on
that
in
the
capital
budget.
This
year,
I
believe
there's
ten
million
dollars
over
the
next
two
years
in
our
capital
plan
to
dedicate
to
the
renew
Boston
trust
that'll
get
us
started
on
our
first
projects.
The
mayor's
made
it
very
clear
to
myself
to
Chiefs.
We
need
a
chief
Brophy
that
this
is
a
priority,
and
so
we
will
be
pushing
forward
on
on
that
area.
Transportation
is
also
a
large
component
of
our
emissions
profile.
F
F
Overall
and
then
you
know,
even
if
you
go
a
bit
more
granular
and
I
think
this
is
why
it's
important,
if
you
really
try
and
focus
on
the
largest
opportunities
City
Hall
alone,
is
about
four
percent
of
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
profile.
So
in
terms
of
areas
where
to
focus
broadly,
are
our
buildings,
our
our
biggest
opportunity
and
our
largest
buildings,
as
you
can
tell
with
you,
know,
see
all
being
just
one
of
over
300
buildings,
but
yet
still
being
four
percent
of
our
emissions
profile.
C
Right,
thank
you
very
helpful.
So,
starting
with
City
Hall,
you
know
the
concrete
makes
it
such
that
insulation
is
just
not
not
a
conversation
that
we
can
realistically
have
so
then
it
gets
to.
Where
is
the
energy
that
we're
purchasing
the
electricity
that
were
purchasing
coming
from
so
in
procurement
of
energy?
Is
something
becomes
irrelevant
really
gotten
into
lately?
So
can
you
just
tell
us,
you
know
what
what
is
the
process
are?
All
the
municipal
are
all
320
buildings
on
a
separate
energy
procurement.
What's
the
term
like
cost,
etc,
yeah.
F
And
just
go
back
to
the
city
hall
for
a
quick
moment,
one
of
the
things
that
we
will
look
at
is
actually
improving
the
thermal
envelope
City
Hall
we've
got
a
lot
of
single
pane
windows
that
are
here.
There
are
some
components
of
the
building
that
have
no
insulation
other
than
the
the
concrete,
which
is
not
the
best
opportunity.
So
there
certainly
are
opportunities
for
us
to
improve
the
thermal
envelope
here
at
City
Hall
in
terms
of
what
we
do
to
procure
energy
for
all
of
our
municipal
assets.
F
We're
actually
do
a
procurement
in
the
day
ahead
market
for
our
natural
gas
in
our
electricity,
so
we're
on
a
third
party
supply.
If
you'd
like
some
more
details
on
them,
I'm
happy
to
provide
them
to
you.
We
also
have
nine
solar
facilities
across
our
city
assets.
Those
save
us
about
eighty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
we've
got
our
largest
facility
being
at
the
Public
Works
yard
at
frontage
road
and
it
that
generates
renewable
energy
certificates
that
help
offset
our
some
of
our
emissions
as
well,
but
certainly
an
opportunities
to
improve
upon.
F
C
F
We
we
literally
go
out
and
we
have
a
vendor,
go
and
procure
electricity
and
natural
gas
for
us
and
the
day
ahead
market.
So
it
the
the
contract
term
for
that
and
Adam
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
it's
three
years
that
contract,
but
they
go
out
and
they
purchase
those
utilities
for
us
basically
each
day,
based
on
what
are
projected
to
three.
C
F
F
F
F
F
If
we
were
to
offset
all
of
our
energy
use,
there
are
handful
ways
that
we
could
do
that
it
wouldn't
necessarily
just
have
to
be
from
the
contract.
We
could
go
out
and
purchase
renewable
energy
credits
and
just
at
some
very
brief
background
on
renewable
energy.
When
you
go
out
and
you
buy
electricity,
you
are
basically
buying
two
things,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
renewables.
F
You
are
buying
the
electrons
that
are
coming
out
of
the
power
plant,
but
in
order
for
all
these
utilities
to
meet
the
renewable
portfolio,
standards
and
other
requirements
across
the
nation,
there
had
to
be
a
system
to
prove
whether
that
electron
was
renewable
or
not
just
like
you
can
think
of
it.
The
way
that
crude
oil
is
produced
once
it
goes
into
a
pipeline,
you
don't
know
where
it
actually
came
from
whether
it
was
from
North,
Dakota,
South,
Dakota,
etc,
etc.
The
same
is
true
with
an
electron.
F
You
don't
know
whether
that's
been
produced
at
a
coal
plant
or
a
solar
power
plant,
so
a
system
had
to
be
created
to
track
whether
those
electrons
were
green,
electrons
or
not,
and
that's
what
these
renewable
energy
credits
are.
Renewable
energy
credits
can
be
purchased
anywhere
across
the
nation,
so
you
can
do
that
for
a
wind
farm
in
Texas
or
here
in
the
state
of
Massachusetts,
and
you
can
get
a
sense
of
what
the
different
rules
in
each
of
those
states
then
creates
a
huge
fluctuation
in
the
price.
F
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
just
a
couple
of
numbers
to
give
it
you
a
sense
in
terms
of
how
expensive
it
would
be
for
us
to
offset
all
of
our
electricity
if
we
were
to
use
something
called
greeni
certified
national
recs,
so
typically
recs
that
are
coming
from
locations
that
don't
have
strict
renewable
portfolio
credits.
There's
not
much
of
a
market,
then
these
are
the
low-cost
recs.
We
could
offset
our
entire
portfolio
for
about
one
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
That's
another.
C
F
Year
annually,
that
would
be
I.
That
would
not
be
what
I
would
recommend
us
doing
for
it.
Basically,
we
would
not
be
contributing
to
making
anything
greener.
We
would
basically
just
be
taking
the
renewable
credits
from
a
place
in
Texas
or
in
Kansas,
and
transferring
it
here,
so
we
actually
wouldn't
be
making
an
improvement
whatsoever.
Mass
class
1
recs
are
quite
a
bit
more
expensive.
So
to
put
that
in
perspective,
for
you,
those
green
certified
national
recs
are
about
a
tenth
of
a
penny
in
terms
of
how
expensive
they
are.
F
The
mass
class
1
recs
are
about
2
cents
per
kilowatt-hour,
and
so
in
order
to
have
that
additionality
proven
to
add
more
of
that
those
wrecks
here
in
the
state
of
Massachusetts
that
would
be
2.8
million
dollars
annually.
We
could
offset
our
our
load.
Alternatively,
if
we
wanted
to
offset
our
entire
load
with
on-site,
solar
we've
just
done
some
very
quick
back
of
the
envelope
math
it
would
be
about.
F
If
you
take
the
capacity
factor
and
how
much
energy
or
how
large
of
facilities
we
would
need
it's
about
a
hundred
and
seven
megawatts
that
the
city
of
Boston
would
need
the
cost
of
an
installation
at
current
commercial
and
industrial
rates
that
we're
seeing
in
Massachusetts
would
put
the
cost
of
that
at
about
one
hundred
and
sixty
two
million
dollars.
If
we
were
to
finance
that
at
the
city's
rate
of
borrowing
over
twenty
five
years,
that
would
be
about
nine
million
dollars
annually.
C
F
C
So
great
with
that
2.8
numbers
is
very,
very
helpful,
I'm
going
to
shift
for
a
second
well
I
guess
what
I'll
conclude
on
this
and
saying
is
that
it
seems
like
tremendous
potential,
especially
if
we're
not
locked
in
for
any
long
term,
in
terms
of
which
electrons,
where
we're
using
so
we'll
be
exploring
that
more
mr.
chair.
Do
you
mind
if
I
take
on
recycling
now
or
later.
A
C
C
C
F
In
terms
of
the
costs
that
we
have
we're,
certainly
at
an
opportunity
to
save
when
we
do
more
recycling
so
for
the
disposal
cost
that
we
have
for
each
ton
of
trash,
it's
about
seventy
four
dollars
and
for
recycling
it's
about
five
dollars
both
of
those
are
per
ton
and
that's
actually
a
that's.
That's.
Basically,
the
ceiling
of
our
recycling
cause
those
fluctuate
based
on
what
the
recovery
value
is
for
the
particularly
recently
with
paper
and
the
market
demand
for
that,
and
sometimes
we
can
actually
recycle
materials
out
of
profit.
F
C
F
G
G
Change
the
plastic
bags
right
now
we
use
dark
bags
and
we're
going
to
switch
to
Claire
bags
to
clearly
delineate
that
it's
recycling
we're
going
to
put
some
more
bins
in
high
visibility,
areas,
high
traffic
areas,
we're
going
to
work
on
a
better
messaging
to
the
staff
for
the
importance
of
recycling.
What
what
materials
can
be
recycled
and
also
we're
continuing
to
work.
We
have
a
night
cleaning
crew
on
contract
that
comes
in
to
City
Hall
working
with
them
on
the
recycling
to
make
sure
that
they're
doing
everything
they
can
is.
C
So
it's
really
just
a
matter
of
asking
people
to
put
paper
and
in
the
recycling
bin
versus
the
trash
can
and
department
by
department,
and
what
what
about
in
terms
of
outreach
I
mean
it's
sort
of
this
cultural
shift
requires
folks
to
be
involved,
not
just
to
see
the
bins
but
to
really
have
champions
within
each
department
and
on
each
floor
are
there?
Are
there
efforts
to
kind
of
have
every
department
nominate
someone
to
be
in
charge
of
that
or
I?
Don't.
F
Follow
up
on
that
councillor
lude
as
part
of
the
zero
waste
planning
process.
We
have
both
an
external
facing
group,
that's
led
by
myself
and
chief
Osgood.
So
that's
including
what
we
can
do
to
help
our
businesses
and
residents
improve
on
recycling
and
diversion
rates.
But
then
we
also
have
an
internal
focus
group,
which
is
led
by
myself
in
chief
Brophy,
who
runs
operations
for
the
city
of
Boston,
and
one
of
the
components
of
that
process
will
be.
C
C
C
F
C
G
E
Thank
You
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
certainly
being
I,
think
sorrow
and
in
depth
in
the
conversation,
certainly
I,
think
dictated
by
the
questions
of
my
colleagues.
Do
we
I
have
some
questions
verses
of
long-term
goals
versus
short-term
goals?
What
are
we
doing
in
the
immediate
future
to
improve
our
outcomes
on
whether
it's
the
recycling,
whether
it's
the
energy
efficiency
efforts?
Just
in
the
short
term?
What
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
yeah.
F
So
in
the
short
term,
mayor
Walsh
has
given
us
ten
million
dollars
in
the
capital
budget
to
focus
on
the
biggest
opportunities
for
energy
efficiency.
So,
hopefully
we'll
have
some
projects
identified
by
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
and
you
know
hopefully
will
move
into
construction
in
that
in
2018.
All
right.
E
F
Just
because
we're
doing
these,
these
large
things
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
taking
the
opportunity
to
do
the
smaller
things
as
well,
whether
that's
in
proving
our
computer
systems
and
their
ability
to
automatically
go
to
sleep
or
energy
efficiency
mode
at
night.
I
know
that
even
over
at
the
Public
Works
yard,
we've
got
quite
a
few
LED
bulbs
that
can
be
that
can
replace
some
of
the
fluorescents
that
you
would
see
here
and
as
those
go
out,
we're
swapping
those
in
with
LEDs
and
that's
a
cost
savings
to
the
taxpayer.
F
Here
in
the
city
of
Boston
we're
continually
working
in
the
community
as
well.
I
know,
you've
been
coming
to
quite
a
few
of
our
coffee
hours
that
we
have
through
mayor
Walsh.
Our
partners
at
eversource
have
been
very
generous
to
donate
LED
bulbs
that
we
can
give
out
to
our
residents
so
that
they
can
install
those
in
their
their
homes.
I'd
also
encourage
all
of
our
residents,
who
are
watching
whether
it's
mr.
and
mrs.,
McCarthy
and
O'malley
are
others
that
they
can
go
to
eversource
save
calm
and
they
can.
F
Actually,
you
can
have
all
the
LEDs
in
your
home
replaced
at
no
cost
and
there's
a
great
resources
there
that
our
residents
and
businesses
can
use
to
take
action
right
away.
And
so
one
thing
that
my
department,
through
green
of
eight
Boston,
does
is
make
sure
that
those
resources
are
available
not
only
to
our
municipal
employees
with
everyone
at
the
City
of
Boston,
because
that's
a
phenomenal
way
that
they
can
save
on
their
electricity
bills.
F
F
F
Behavioral
change
is
something
that
we
continue
to
look
at,
how
we
can
help
our
our
employees
to
do
that,
but
maybe
this
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
Catherine
to
jump
in
as
well
and
talk
about
some
of
the
work
that
she
does
at
Boston,
Public,
Schools
and
educating
our
students
and
how
they
can
be
sustainability
leaders
and
make
and
take
action
at
their
school
or
at
home
as
well.
That's.
H
One
of
the
first
things
we'll
be
doing
for
the
upcoming
academic
year
is
relaunching
our
recycling
coordinators
program.
Education.
Around
zero
waste
is
critical
to
its
success
and
we
need
folks
actually
in
the
schools
who
are
kind
of
helping
to
champion
zero
waste,
so
we'll
be
recruiting
whether
it's
teachers,
administrative
staff,
even
student
leaders,
to
actually
take
on
those
roles
as
recycling
corners.
H
Additionally,
part
of
the
ark
program
is
to
actually
have
a
district-wide
committee,
so
we
will
be
calling
upon
our
partners
throughout
the
district
that
represent
different
areas
like
food
services,
transportation
or
energy
and
environmental
team.
Even
community
partners
like
mask
OSH
to
participate
in
this
committee
so
that
we
can
almost
look
at
every
school
and
see
if
we
can
partner
with
the
health
and
wellness
council
there
to
create
sort
of
school-based
green
action
plans.
H
Again,
even
though
we
are
a
district
where
one
community
each
school
has
its
unique
opportunities
and
challenges,
each
school
has
even
their
own
focus
areas.
We
have
a
Boston
Green
Academy,
for
example,
which
is
a
little
different
focus
than
a
BAS.
Alliance
school
might
be
so
working
with
those
school
communities
to
create
a
plan
that
works
for
them,
and
hopefully
each
of
those
school
plans
will
actually
kind
of
funnel
up
into
this
greater
district
plan,
which
of
course,
is
tied
to
the
city's
climate
action
goals.
We
fully
understand.
H
H
Can
say
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
them
right
this
moment
in
every
classroom.
I
think
at
one
point
that
was
in
existence
and
we
are
working
on
kind
of
again
refreshing
all
that
one
of
the
plans
we
have
thanks
to
our
incredible
custodial
team
at
bps,
is
to
actually
do
an
audit
this
year
of
our
existing
recycling
equipment,
so
that
we
can
know
what
we
currently
have
and
replace
what
may
be
currently
missing
or
add
in
areas
that
clearly
we
need
more
carts
bins
available
in
those
spaces.
I
think.
H
E
It's
you
know,
I
think
every
school
probably
definitely
has
one
of
the
big
blue
bins,
maybe
in
the
main
office
or
at
some
location.
But
when
I
was
in
the
classroom
myself,
my
colleagues
would
have
you
know
a
cardboard
box
as
our
quote-unquote
recycling
bin
in
our
classroom,
and
you
know
if
it
was
identified,
as
so
when
the
custodian
staff
would
come
through
or
if
we
unseated
ourselves,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
great.
Short-Term
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
every
classroom
in
bps
has
a
blue
recycling
bin
I.
E
Also
wonder
about
the
role
of
composting
in
our
school
cafeterias
and
the
education
that
the
adults
in
the
building
could
use,
but
also
the
education
that
provides
our
kids
when
we
talk
about
what
the
appropriate
battles
are
for
different
types
of
trash,
and
actually
that
leads
me
to
the
use
of
styrofoam
trays.
Have
we
gotten
away
from
that
in
all
of
our
school
cafeterias,
yeah.
H
H
D
E
Then
speaking
of
schools
and
energy
efficiency,
we
have
never
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it's
an
attainable
goal.
Sure
I'd
love
to
see
it
achieved
but
and
I
campaigned
on
it.
Can
we
get
the
heat
right
in
our
schools
because
it's
either
freezing
cold
or
it's
unbelievably
hot
and
all
of
the
classroom
windows
are
open
in
regular
classrooms.
But
then
there's
a
particular
problem
in
the
computer
lab
classrooms
that
the
computers
are
generating
so
much
heat,
it's
the
middle
of
winter
or
the
whatever
time
of
year.
F
I
make
up
yeah
absolutely
the
120
schools
were
all
included
in
this
report
and
a
vast
component
of
the
savings
that
we
see
is
improving
our
ability
to
regulate
temperature
in
those
facilities.
As
a
former
educator
I
know
that
you
know
it
has
a
impact
on
students
and
that
their
outcomes,
their
ability
to
learn
their
ability
to
take
tests
and
for
many
of
the
schools.
F
One
of
the
issues
is
that
the
ductwork
isn't
great
or
they're
on
a
single
zone,
so
the
top
floors
of
the
schools
are
super
hot
and
that,
but
down
on
the
first
floors,
they're
super
cold,
as
you
mentioned,
that
anywhere,
where
you've
got
a
lot
of
computers
and
the
heat
that
they
give
off
you're
a
hundred
percent
right
on
that.
That's
something
that
we
want
to
address
in
the
renew
Boston
trust.
We.
E
F
E
A
F
F
Of
a
much
greater
proportion
than
that,
a
big
portion
of
the
opportunity
as
councillor
George
put
forward
is
organics
and
our
waste
stream,
I
and
I'm
talking
globally.
Here
for
the
city,
we
also
are
seeing
quite
a
bit
of
waste
in
our
way
that
shouldn't
be
there.
A
recent
audit
showed
that
I
think
it
was
25%
of
our
waste
stream
was
construction,
waste
which
should
be
banned,
and
so
there's
some
work
that
we'll
need
to
do.
A
My
5%
in
the
city
is
construction
waste.
That's
right,
Wow
in
the
organics
I'm
with
you,
I've
been
calling
now
for
a
curbside
compost
pilot
program
since
2011
and
I
think
you
know,
Cambridge
has
done
this
well,
they
began
as
a
piloted
program
and
composting
when
picked
up
still
generates
a
revenue.
Recycling
doesn't
obviously
regular
waste
doesn't
but
but
curb
curb
composting,
compostable
material.
It
does
generate
a
revenue
and
and
that's
something
that
we
need
to
be
doing
at
our
schools,
and
this
isn't.
A
You
know
indictment
on
you,
but
with
the
number
of
food
waste
at
our
schools,
I
mean
many
many
many
many
children
are
receiving
at
least
two
meals
a
day
at
bps
and
I.
Just
think.
That's
one
way
that
we
can
immediately.
We
don't
need
not
it.
We
don't
need
report
for
that.
We
need
to
start
doing
that
in
September.
Similarly,
would
be
with
the
having
a
recycle
bin
in
every
in
every
classroom.
A
I,
just
I
have
heard
that
before
from
people
educators,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
where
we
know
what
and
again
I
don't
mean
this
to
sound
adversarial,
because
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
in
this
space,
Austin
and
I
know
that
we
need
to
take
a
holistic
approach
and
it's
not
like
flipping
a
switch,
but
there
are
certain
little
things
that
we
can
do.
That
will
have
an
immediate
impact
and
so
I'm
hopeful
we
can
get
to
that
and
I
guess.
What
do
we
need
to
see?
H
A
A
So
so
I
will
continue
to
push
and
I
say
this
respectfully,
but
as
a
firm
request
at
a
minimum
I
know
the
composting
is
going
to
is
a
larger
conversation
I'm
going
to
push
that
particularly
bps,
but
at
a
absolute
minimum,
I
want
to
see
every
classroom
in
the
Boston
Public
School
I
said
by
the
first
week
of
school
of
September.
Whatever
the
date
is,
the
7th
or
the
8th
of
September
ever
recycled
them,
because
I
do
think
that
the
impact
will
be
significant
and
again
it
saves
us
money.
A
So
as
we
talk
about
the
idea
of
doing
an
on-site,
solar,
107
megawatts
of
electricity,
162
million
dollar
financed
over
nine
million
dollars,
I
think
we
should
be
doing
that.
A
three
billion
dollar
budget
I
think
that
is
a
worthwhile
expenditure.
That
again
will
save
taxpayers
money
and
will
show
real
leadership.
So
I
appreciate
those
figures,
Austin
and
I'm
already
crafting
another
hearing
order
in
my
head
and
how
we
get
to
to
all
on-site
solar
in
the
city,
but
at
an
absolute
minimum.
A
Can
we
please
every
cycling
in
every
classroom
in
Boston
and
then
similarly
we
need
to
do
so.
We
need
to
do
something
in
this
in
this
building.
To
get
that
rate
up,
we
need
to
have
frank
conversations
with
people
we
need
to
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
ever
every
division,
you
know
get
a
recycling
captain
just
just
something
so
that
we
can
get
those
things
up
because
I
think
it's
it's
embarrassing,
quite
frankly,
that
the
rate
is
that
low
and
we're
and
we're
trying
to
lead.
So
those
aren't
questions
as
much
as
requesting
for
now.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
I
had
written
that
number
down
nine
percent
that
councillor
Sabri
Georgia
mentioned
regarding
school
buses,
I've
not
been
a
big
fan
of
EPF
transportation
since
I
got
here
and
actually
I
wasn't
a
fan.
When
I
wasn't
here,
we
consistently
see
buses
rolling
through
the
city.
Forty
four
seats
with
three
or
four
kids,
and
we're
explained
that
well
they
have
to
drop
kids
off
and
I've
heard
all
of
it.
But
the
one
thing
that
I've
talked
about
that.
B
Why
don't
we
just
switch
over
the
vans,
they're,
less
on
fuel,
less
impact
on
the
and
the
environment,
less
impact
on
traffic
and
and
I
would
argue
safer
for
the
kids
and
probably
safer
for
the
driver
as
well.
So
if
I
can't
go
through
bps
to
get
some
changes,
maybe
we'll
may
take
the
environmental
route
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
changes.
B
But
I
know
that
that's
one
of
my
biggest
complaints
that
I
that
I
receive
and
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
will
echo
that
people
get
frustrated
when
they're
sitting
behind
a
bus
with
three
kids
in
it
and
it's
taking
up.
You
know
50
feet
so
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
there
is
and
like
council
mouse
has
more
of
a
statement
than
a
question.
B
F
And
there's
a
few
things
that
we've
done
to
look
at
the
bus
fleet
and
there
are
opportunities
that
we've
taken
to
do
some
small
pilots
I'm,
forgetting
the
number
of
propane
buses
that
we
now
use,
which
are
much
much
lower
emission.
So
that's
something
that
we've
looked
at.
We've
looked
at
the
some
retrofits
in
terms
of
creating
taking
some
of
those
buses
and
putting
them
on
an
electric
vehicle
hybrid
system,
so
that
there
are
opportunities
there
as
well.
But
your
point
is
well-taken
councilor
in
terms
of
the
utilization
of
vehicles.
It's
a
it's.
F
A
challenge
across
our
entire
fleet
are
to
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
the
public
works,
though,
if
you
look
at
fleets
across
the
nation
and
what
they've
done,
whether
it's
through
fleet
hub
or
otherwise,
to
improve
utilization
rates
and
making
sure
that
we're
not
maintaining
and
putting
fuel
and
vehicles
that
aren't
being
used,
they
they
really
are
world
class.
But
your
point
is
well-taken
on
the
utilization
of
the
bus
Newton.
Thank.
B
You
yeah
I
was
very
happy
to
be
on
that
team
who
started
the
the
fleet
hub
when
we
took
the
Zipcar
technology,
and
you
know
we
I
think
we
surplus
about
54
vehicles
right
out
of
the
gate,
and
now
you
see
them
in
city
parking
areas
that
are
being
used
just
so
the
people
who
are
watching
dad
in
mrs.
O'malley
that
you
know
people
share
those
share
those
vehicles,
so
then
I
sign
and
when
you
have
carpooling
it
tends
to
save
a
ton
of
money.
So
thank
you.
Thank
You
councillor.
F
F
C
So
that
$12,000
potential
annual
cost
savings
is
really
just
for
City
Hall,
and
then
there
are
319
other
buildings
that
could
be
expanded
upon.
Okay,
so
could
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
heating
and
cooling?
He
said
its
64
percent
of
municipal
emissions
and
the
plans
are
mostly
to
use
the
renew
Boston
trust.
C
F
Start
out
with
this
and
I'll
defer
to
my
colleague
for
City
Hall,
we
actually
are
still
on
steam,
and
so
the
steam
that's
produced
is
actually
a
waste
product,
and
so
we're
actually
doing
something
responsible
there.
There's
a
Veolia
is
the
provider
of
that
scheme.
They
have
a
combined
heat
and
power
plant
that
they
a
series
of
plants
actually
that
they
operate
to
produce
electricity
when
they
create
that
electricity.
They
also
produce
steam
as
a
byproduct.
F
That
steam
is
then
piped
through
a
series
of
infrastructure
into
City
Hall,
where
it's
exchanged
in
our
facility
to
keep
the
building.
At
one
point,
we
even
use
technology
called
an
absorption
chiller,
which
you
can
use
that
same
steam
to
provide
a
C,
but
that's
that's
something
that
we've
moved
away
from
too.
C
F
That
particularly
the
thermal
envelope
at
City
Hall
is
a
big
opportunity.
As
you
know,
we've
got
the
courtyard
structure,
which
makes
it
a
bit
of
a
challenge
because
we
have
more
exterior
area
than
a
typical
building
would
have
so
that
means
that
the
the
windows
that
we
have
in
getting
them
to
double
panes
is
certainly
a
large
opportunity,
some
of
the
locations
in
City
Hall,
if
we
did
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
better
thermal
barrier
other
than
just
the
concrete.
F
G
You
we
work
with
the
budget
office
and
capital
construction
program,
we're
continuously
upgrading
cooling
equipment,
chillers,
cooling
towers
and
boilers,
and
also
one
one.
One
fact
that
it's
helping
us
out
is
over
the
last
two
years.
The
Department
of
innovation
and
technology
is
moving,
some
of
the
their
server
equipment
off-site
and
and
that's
going
to
help
save
us
money,
because
that
that
there's
an
enormous
need
to
cool,
beat
the
the
server
equipment
in
the
basement
in
Council.
F
Non
City,
Hall
buildings,
it's
something
that
we
have
looked
at
the
copy
library
also
operates
on
steam,
obviously
were
our
opportunities
to
use
that
are
a
little
bit
dated
by
where
the
infrastructure
is
and
how
easy
an
or
cost
per
costs
that
would
be
associated
with
connecting
new
buildings
into
that
technology.
But
it's
certainly
something
that
we
want
to
continue
to
look
at
in
non
city
hall
buildings.
Our
heat
opportunity
are
the
way
that
we
eat
them
varies
whether
it's
from
using
natural
gas
or
other
forms
of
fuel
to
to
heat
those
buildings.
F
But
it's
something
that
we
certainly
will
be
taking
a
look
at
as
part
of
renew
Boston
trust
and
whether
their
opportunities
to
limit
the
to
downsize
the
equipment
with
new,
more
efficient
equipment,
improve
the
thermal
envelopes
and
also
I
should
have
mentioned
for
City
Hall
as
well.
Even
if
you
look
up
above
us,
we've
got
fluorescent
lighting,
which
is
great,
but
there's
still
opportunities
for
us
to
different.
F
Management
again
with
renew
Boston
trust,
it's
something
that
they're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
fixtures
that
we
could
use,
particularly
in
our
restrooms.
They
are
also
evaluating
our
the
infrastructure
that
we
have
for
keying
our
water
in
the
buildings
as
well,
and
whether
there's
any
efficiencies
to
be
realized
there,
but
particularly
for
our
buildings.
The
bathroom
fixtures
are
the
big
largest
across
the
portfolio
and.
C
We
talked
a
lot
about
green
roof
already,
and
this
building
I
mean
the
only
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that.
Is
that
structurally
totally
understand
the
weight
issues,
but
what
about
just
sort
of
setting
up
catchment
infrastructure?
So
the
water
comes
down,
and
then
you
can
put
the
rain
gardens
actually
on
the
plaza
and
have
a
much
more
public
experience
anyway.
Yeah.
F
That's
certainly
an
opportunity
and
that's
something
that
we'll
we'll
be
looking
at,
and
you
know
whether
it's
something
like
that
or
you
know
potentially
even
something
more
involved.
Oh
great,
all
right
rainwater
management,
gray,
water
management,
you
know.
Obviously
we
have
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do
is
cost-effective
because
we
have
to
have
the
savings
pay
for
the
ultimate
construction.
But
those
are
all
opportunities
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
so
that
we
can
come
to
a
very
rational,
rational
decision
in
terms
of
what
projects
we
implement.
Okay,.
C
F
F
Many
of
the
automakers,
particularly
after
the
presidential
election,
were
saying
that
it
was
difficult
for
them
to
justify
producing
these
electric
vehicles,
because
the
market
demand
wasn't
there,
and
so
one
action
that
Mayor
Walsh
took
alongside
it
was
over.
Fifty
other
mayors
across
the
nation
was
to
demonstrate
that,
just
with
those
municipal
fleet,
there
was
over
a
hundred
thousand
vehicles
worth
of
demand
just
from
those
municipalities,
let
alone
anyone
who,
whether
it's
myself
or
councillor
Malley,
who
may
want
to
purchase
an
electric
vehicle
just
with
that
basis.
F
That
should
be
enough
to
justify
an
investment
in
a
production
facility
for
those
equipment
manufacturers.
There
have
been
substantial
efforts
within
the
Commonwealth
not
only
to
make
those
electric
vehicles
available
and
more
accessible,
but
also
to
try
and
identify
incentives
not
only
for
municipalities,
but
also
for
our
residents
as
well,
their
substantial
federal
incentives
available,
and
also
some
that
are
available
at
other
levels
as
well,
and
we
always
try
and
make
sure
we
publicize
those
as
much
as
we
can
have.
F
Per
vehicle
because
we
do
have
quite
a
few
different
vehicles,
but
the
short
answer
is
that
it's
not
just
on
the
fuel
savings
actually,
as
the
Deputy
Commissioner
was
mentioning
similar
to
LEDs.
Quite
a
bit
of
the
savings
actually
comes
from
the
labor
on
the
maintenance,
the
electric
vehicles
since
you're,
not
dealing
with
a
combustion
engine
and
you're
not
having
to
deal
with
things
like
carburetors
and
and
things
like
that,
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
less
maintenance,
that's
involved,
and
so
you
actually
end
up
saving
on
the
labor
cost
as
well.
F
Obviously,
there
are
some
upfront
investments
to
be
able
to
deploy
a
lot
of
electric
vehicles,
whether
it's
charging
stations
or
otherwise.
Similarly,
with
propane
vehicles
or
other
alternative
vehicles,
where
you
want
to,
when
you're
trying
to
use
a
less
carbon-intensive
liquid
fuel,
then
there
are
some
upfront
investments,
whether
it's
with
retrofits
or
otherwise,
and
the
paybacks
on
those
are
very,
very
different
on
what
the
incentives
are
that
are
available,
but
that
work
that
our
fleet
group
certainly
does
as
they're
looking
at
improving
and
replacing
the
vehicles
are
coming
out
of
our
our
fleet.
Great.
C
Okay,
so
after
all,
this
I
have
three
follow-up
items
that
I'll
wait
to
hear
back
from
you
all
on
on
the
fleet,
what
the
percentages
of
hybrids
or,
if
we
have
full
V's
versus
gas
and
the
cost
differential
with
the
maintenance
and
fuel
savings.
Secondly,
on
the
recycling:
what's
the
tonnage
across
the
entire
portfolio,
not
just
City
Hall
in
terms
of
percentage
and
the
potential
savings
through
the
you
know
is
the
contract
the
same.
C
Would
it
be
the
same
rates,
the
sixty
four
versus
or
seventy
four
versus
five
dollars
per
ton,
and
then
third
on
procurement?
If
you
could
get
the
number
on
what
the
cost
would
be
to
shift
to
one
hundred
percent
within
recs
within
I,
so
New
England,
and
not
just
Massachusetts
curious.
What
that
number
is.
It
would
be
less
than
two
point:
eight
million
per
year,
as
well
as
any
contract
considerations
to
make
that
shift
before
2019.
E
F
A
We
have
any
wonder
you
know
if
you
have
any
public
testimony.
If
anyone
has
signed
up
or
hasn't
signed
up,
it
wishes
to
add
their
voice.
Well.
One's
looking
at
the
list.
I
also
wanted
to
paraphrase
a
letter
from
mark
Lynch
director
facilities
management,
division
of
Boston,
Police
Department.
It
reads
on
behalf
of
BPD
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
reiterate
the
steps
that
the
department
has
or
will
be
undertaking
in
furtherance
of
Mayor
Walsh's.
Thank
you
efforts
to
reduce
carbon
footprint
municipal
buildings
throughout
the
city.
A
Over
the
past
two
decades,
the
department
is
taking
every
opportunity
to
incorporate
sustainable
materials,
infrastructure
and
energy
sources
into
each
capital
project
underwritten
by
the
Council.
These
include
new
construction
of
district
stations
in
South,
the
South
End
Charlestown
and
Roxbury.
In
b2
we
have
attained
LEED
Gold
status
that
includes
a
vegetative
roof
gray,
water
management
and
LED
lighting
throughout
and
at
a
district
take
15
we've
incorporated
a
timed
lighting
system,
gray,
water,
reuse
and
LED
lighting.
At
d4
we
attained
LEED
Silver
status.
A
We
also
partnered
with
n
star
to
install
LED
lighting
throughout
the
building
each
of
our
stations,
as
they
are
upgraded.
We've
installed
mechanical
systems
to
operate
on
variable,
speed
mode
for
energy
savings.
At
present,
we
estimate
that
95
percent
of
our
outside
lighting
is
led
and
50
percent
of
our
interior
lighting
has
been
upgraded
to
LED
fixtures.
Finally,
Department
in
partnership
with
the
mayors
of
sustainability
and
the
Honeywell
Corporation
have
assessed
various
opportunities
as
part
of
a
renewed,
Boston
trust
program.
A
So
that
is,
we
appreciate
the
written
testimony
from
the
Boston
Police
Department
I.
Don't
have
any
further
questions,
don't
believe
my
colleagues
do
as
well,
and
there
is
no
public
testimony.
Joe
Callahan,
Austin
Blackmun,
Katherine
Walsh.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
afternoon.
We
appreciate
it
and
this
hearing
is
hereby
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.