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Docket #0223 - Message and order authorizing the City of Boston to accept and expend the amount of Two Hundred Fifty Thousand Dollars ($250,000.00) in the form of a grant for the FY22 Municipal ADA Improvement Grant Program, awarded by the Massachusetts Office on Disability to be administered by the Commission for Person with Disabilities. The grant will fund the installation of a vertical lift to the third floor mezzanine
A
Record
my
name
is
kenzie
bach,
I'm
the
district
aide
city
councillor
and
the
chair
of
the
boston
city
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology.
I'm
joined
here
by
my
colleagues,
councillor
aaron
murphy
of
district,
sorry
at
large
and
councillor
liz
braden
of
district
9..
This
public
hearing
is
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city,
council,
bash
tv
and
broadcast
on
xfinity
channel
8,
rcn,
channel
82
and
fios
channel
964..
A
We
will
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
So
if
you're
interested
in
testifying,
please
email,
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boston.gov
for
the
link,
that's
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dot,
p-a-c
boston.gov,
so
you
can
get
in
touch
with
shane
and
come
and
join
us
here
on
the
zoom.
If
you're
watching
this
after
the
fact,
you
are
also
always
welcome
to
send
a
virtual
written
testimony,
and
so
you
can
also
send
that
to
shane
s-h-a-n-e
dot,
p-a-c
boston,
dot,
gov.
A
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
zero.
Two
two:
three
sorry:
zero.
Two
two!
No!
I
said
that
right,
docket,
zero,
two,
two
three
message
and
order
authorizing
the
city
of
boston
to
accept
and
expend
the
amount
of
250
000
in
the
form
of
a
grant
for
the
fy
22
municipal
ada
improvement,
grant
program
awarded
by
the
massachusetts
office
on
disability
to
be
administered
by
the
commission
for
persons
with
disabilities.
A
A
To
talk
about
the
project
is
commissioner,
christian
mccosh
from
our
commission's
the
commission
on
persons
with
disabilities
and
then
also
carrie
griffin,
the
director
of
our
public
facilities
department,
and
I
think,
we've
also
got
joe
cornish
director
of
design
review
from
the
boston
landmarks
commission
with
us,
because,
as
many
may
know,
but
maybe
not
all,
but
the
boston
city
hall
building
is
in
fact
a
landmark.
I
also
want
to
recognize
that
we've
been
joined
by
my
count,
my
colleague
counselor
ruth
c
luigen,
also
at
large.
A
So
I
think
again,
since
this
is
a
grant,
if
counselors
will
forgive
I'm
going
to
dispense
with
opening
comments
and
instead
jump
straight
to
the
administration's
presentation,
and
then
we
will
jump
into
questions
in
the
order
of
arrival.
So
without
further
ado,
commissioner
makosh,
thank
you
for
joining.
B
Us
thanks
councilor
block
and
nice
to
see
you
again
councillor
brayden,
very
nice,
to
meet
you,
council,
murphy
and
council
councilor
eugene
welcome
to
city
hall.
My
name
is
christian
makosh
and
I'm
the
ada
title
ii
coordinator
and
disability.
Commissioner,
excuse
me
for
the
city,
my
I'm
also
joined
by
my
chief
of
staff,
andrea
patton,
and
we
put
together
a
brief
slide
deck
just
to
go
through
the
project
with
you.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
andrea
if
she
can
share
her
screen.
B
B
We
hope
that
the
historical
commission
will
be
happy
with
getting
that
removed
and
replacing
it
with
a
nice
vertical
lift
which
will
be
modern
looking,
but
it
will
fit
much
more
into
the
context
of
city
hall
kind
of
the
way
the
city
has
recently
merged
the
old
with
the
new.
So
this
will
stand
out
as
a
new
element,
but
it
will.
It
will
tie
in
very
nicely,
so
this
project
is
building
on
several
renovations
that
the
city
has
recently
completed
to
improve
accessibility
of
public
spaces.
B
B
Three
of
the
public
meeting
rooms
are
now
ada
compliant
and
we
recently
finished
the
interior
ramp.
On
the
second
floor,
which
connects
age
strong
and
parking
and
a
lot
of
vital
city
services,
and
then,
of
course,
our
signature
project
is
city
hall,
plaza
we're
all
really
waiting
for
the
reveal
in
the
spring.
B
So,
luckily
for
us,
the
public
facilities
department
had
already
begun,
replacing
all
the
elevators
in
city
hall,
so
they
have
elevated
consultants
and
contracts
already
in
place.
So
this
grant
is
coming
at
an
optimal
time,
because
pfd
can
incorporate
our
project.
The
mezzanine
lift
right
into
their
element,
elevator
replacement
project,
and
we
believe
that
upgrading
access
to
the
mezzanine
will
fix
a
critical
missing
link
in
accessibility
at
city
hall,
for
people
with
disabilities
and
other
groups,
and
that's
because
recently,
in
the
last
few
years,
mayor
menino
didn't
use
the
space
much.
B
B
Currently,
the
only
way
that
people
who
use
wheelchairs
can
get
to
the
mezzanine
is
by
the
in-kind,
stair
lift
this
lift.
This
is
a
type
of
lift,
that's
not
preferred
by
anybody
with
a
disability.
It
has
a
platform
and
it
only
accommodates
one
wheelchair.
At
a
time
it
carries
the
person
vertically
along
the
staircase
up
to
the
top
of
the
mezzanine
and
moves
very
slowly
when
it
reaches
the
top.
B
The
existing
incline,
lift
is
really
only
designed
to
accommodate
wheelchairs.
The
platform
doesn't
have
a
seat,
so
it's
open
on
three
sides.
So
if
you
have
balance
difficulty
or
you're
an
older
resident
or
you
have
a
child
in
a
stroller,
it's
really
not
built
to
have
somebody
standing
up
on
it.
Traveling
up
those
stairs,
it
can
make
you
dizzy.
It
can,
you
know,
make
you
feel
unstable
and
just
from
my
experience
and
what
I've
talked
to
from
other
people
using
this
stair
lift
is
very
frightening.
B
So,
just
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
the
mod
process.
Mod
is
in
massachusetts
office
on
disability.
They
began
this
ada
grant
program
in
2017
and
my
office
has
applied
twice.
We
applied
once
for
a
way
finding
project
in
city
hall
that
didn't
get
funded,
but
luckily
enough
we
had
partnered
with
the
public
facilities
department
and
property
management,
so
they
were
able
to
implement
a
piece
of
the
wayfinding
that
we
designed
and
that's
on
the
seventh
and
eighth
floor.
B
One
big
caveat
is
that
we
have
to
use
this
money
during
fy22,
so
that
means
we
have
to
spend
it
all
by
june
30th
and
it
is
a
reimbursement
process,
so
the
city
will
spend
it
and
then
they'll
get
a
check
from
the
state,
and
then
we
just
have
the
timeline,
which
is
just
briefly
we
applied
for
the
grant.
In
october,
we
received
notice
that
we
were
approved
in
december.
B
B
It
will
have
an
automatic
door
opener
and
a
button
that
you
can
hold
to
to
raise
a
load
lift
and
it
just
really
seems
to
fit
nicely
in
with
city
hall,
because
city
hall,
the
stairs
in
this
area,
have,
I
think,
it's
brass
railings
joe,
can
tell
us
if
they're
not
but
they're
metal,
so
they
it
really
does
blend
in
and
then
we
just
have
a
outline
of
the
location.
It's
going
to
be
located
just
behind
that
pillar.
We
think,
roughly
in
that
area
behind
the
nursing
station
and
the.
B
C
C
You
know
everything
is
moving
pretty
quickly,
but
you
know
we
also
have
to
incorporate
landmarks
into
this,
to
make
sure
that
we
are,
you
know,
maintaining
the
integrity
of
the
existing
buildings
so
and
that
it
incorp
that
it
incorporates
nicely
into
the
the
finishes.
So
we
will
be
right
now
we're
moving
forward
with
design,
and
we
want
to
have
this
procured
right
now,
I'm
still
working
with
our
legal
team
to
determine
procurement,
whether
it's
going
to
be.
C
Ideally,
we
want
to
get
this
procured
through
our
current
contract,
because
all
of
the
contractors
are
already
it's.
It's
149
project
which
we
have
those
filed,
sub-bids
for
elevator
electrical
and
finishes
that
would
be
needed
for
this,
so
we're
working
with
them,
because
that
is
the
most
expeditious
way
to
do
this
to
procure
this.
If
we
can't
do
it
that
way,
we
will
procure
directly,
which
allows
will
enable
us
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
the
deadlines
for
having
being
able
to
utilize
that
250
000
grant.
B
Thanks
carrie,
so
that's
really
everything
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
Just
want
to
express
my
gratefulness
to
all
the
city
departments
who
are
here
they've
been
such
a
supportive
partner
in
this
project.
It's
been
a
long
time
coming.
We
really
hope
the
city
council
will
support
it
and
I
will
turn
it
back
to
you.
Council
bloc,.
C
A
B
Yeah,
so
it's
a
state
funding
and
it's
funneled
through
the
massachusetts
office
on
disability,
it
has
to
be
used
by
a
municipality
for
a
project
that
improves
access.
They
give
out
grants
ranging
from
probably
like
a
few
thousand
dollars
to
250
000.
When
we
applied
for
the
wayfinding
project.
I
think
that
was
around
100
000
and
we
got
denied
and
then,
when
we
applied
for
the
elevator
last
time
it
was
250
000
and
we
got
denied.
B
So
we
were
thrilled
to
learn
that
we
got
the
whole
thing
funded
this
time,
but
the
grants
come
out
every
year
in
their
across
the
state
and
the
mod
always
publishes
a
list
of
who
got
the
grants
and
then
like
some
follow
through
like
when
they
do
the
improvements.
So
this
would
be
a
great
story
for
us
to
share
once
the
elevator's
in,
but
I
can
send
the
city
council
some
links
about
the
grant
and
also
about
some
towns
who
have
gotten
it
before.
B
I
don't
believe
boston
has
ever
gotten
one
because
we're
the
municipality
in
boston
and
we
we
haven't
gotten
one
unless
another
department
has
done
it,
but
I
doubt
that
so
you
know
we're
really
excited
to
move
forward.
The
grant
program
is
about
five
years
old.
I
think
it
started
in
2017
and
it
was
a
huge
announcement.
I
mean
people
all
over.
The
state
are
really
excited
about
this,
because
municipalities
sometimes
don't
put
access
as
a
priority,
and
I
know
boston
does.
B
A
Great,
thank
you.
No
that's
really
thrilling
and
the
opportunity
both
the
need
and
the
opportunity
to
do
the
project
expeditiously
is
also
great,
especially
you
know.
Obviously,
we've
been
using
them
as
a
name
quite
a
lot
for
these
public
press
conferences
and
the
age
of
cobit,
and
so
having
that
be
fully
accessible,
feels
feels
pretty
urgent.
My
one
other
question
was
just
for
joe.
If
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
kind
of
like
landmarks
aspect
of
this.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
joe
and
and
just
for
counselors
information.
I
think
we'll
have
the
deck
that
was
presented
over
to
you
in
your
email
momentarily.
So
if
you're
looking
for
that,
you
can
look
at
it
there,
but
I'll
I'll
go
now
to
counselors
for
questions
in
order
of
arrival,
that'll
be
first
councillor
murphy,
then
councillor
braden,
councilman,
louis
jen,
councillor
flynn
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
who
we've
got
for
now,
so
counselor
murphy.
You
have
the
floor.
E
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
for
holding
this
important
hearing.
I
know
when
we
talk
about
equity
and
inclusion.
We
need
to
make
sure
we're
always
including
those
with
disabilities,
in
those
conversations
and
addressing
any
time,
there's
an
access
issue.
As
a
special
ed
teacher,
I
was
an
inclusion
teacher
at
the
henderson
and
we
were
often
moving
our
furniture
and
making
sure
that
our
students
in
wheelchairs
or
with
mobility
issues
had
access,
and
so
it's
very
important.
E
So
a
couple
questions
or
one
question
is
making
sure
that
we,
as
a
city
or
our
council,
are
funding
these
things
like
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
and
doing
the
work
to
find
a
grant.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there's
ever
a
time
where
access
is
limited
to
any
of
our
citizens
that
we're
spending
that
money
in
our
budget
too,
that
we're
making
sure
that
we're
finding
the
money
to
make
sure
access
is
there
for
all
of
our
citizens.
E
B
A
great
point-
and
I
really
have
to
say
the
city
of
boston-
makes
a
huge
commitment
to
accessibility.
I
have
two
architects
on
my
team:
architectural
access,
director
and
architectural
access
specialist.
So
they
work
with
public
facilities.
They
work
with
property
management.
They
were.
We
were
all
involved
in
the
design
of
city
hall
plaza,
so
every
project
the
city
does
has
accessibility
at
the
forefront.
B
The
mezzanine
project
is
a
little
bit
tricky,
because
this
is
in
phase
two
of
the
redesign
of
city
hall
plaza,
I
think
they're
just
finishing
phase
one
now,
city
hall,
redesign
self
phase,
one
had
a
lot
of
the
plaza
and
some
interior
work.
This
is
a
little
bit
more
in
a
later
phase
of
reimagining
city
hall,
so
I
think
we
would
have
gotten
to
it,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
would
have
gotten
to
it
this
quickly,
but
I
just
think
it
was
a
great
opportunity
and
it
matched.
A
B
A
B
That
it's
really
for
people
who
are
elderly
people
who
have
balance
issues.
I
mean
there's
many
more
people
in
that
category
than
people
who
just
use
wheelchairs,
I
mean
for
an
older
person
to
walk
up
flight
after
flight
upstairs
to
get
to
the
resume
is
just
impossible.
So
I'm
really
happy
for
that
group
of
people.
No.
E
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
akash.
This
is
really
a
very
exciting
moment.
I
I
like
counselor
murphy.
I
have
a
background
in
special
ed,
I'm
the
physical
therapist
at
perkins
school
for
the
blind,
so
mobility
issues
and
mobility
barriers
are
are
always
something
that
I'm
very
cognizant
of.
I
think
just
the
timeline.
F
It
seems
like
a
very
steep
timeline
in
terms
of
procurement.
Are
we
are
we
confident
that
we'll
be
able
to
hit
those
targets
and
get
the
get
the
procurement
done
in
time
and
then
also
just
a
more
general
point?
I
I
find
that
those
steps
and
then
up
to
the
mezzanine.
If
someone
is
a
low
vision
person,
it's
a
nightmare
for
someone
with
low
vision,
so
because
everything
blends
in
you,
don't
you
don't
see
where
the
steps
are?
So
that's,
maybe
something
we
can
discuss
at
another
time.
F
B
Yeah,
so
we
did
have
a
meeting
we've
been
meeting
all
along
with
public
facilities
and
I
believe,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
carrie
to
jump
in
too.
But
I
believe
they
had
already
procured
a
lot
of
the
equipment
for
the
elevated
project
and
we
met
with
the
lift
company
the
lift
that
we
want
to
purchase
with
this
funding.
And
I
don't
believe
they
had
any
issues
with
supply.
But
I'm
going
to
ask
carrie
to
jump
in.
C
Sure
thank
you
and
thank
you
con
celebrating.
Yes,
the
the
there
is
a
concern
just
you
know
in
terms
of
what
we're
seeing
across
the
industry
with
procurement,
but
we
are
trying
to
be
proactive
and
right
now
we're
thinking,
because
we
have
consulted
to
commissioner
mcnaughton
point.
We
have
consulted
with
different
vendors
and
basically
it's
going
to
come
down
to
the
final
design
in
the
components
of
that,
so
the
elevator
and
machinery.
We
know
we
can
get
if
there's
a
glass
enclosure.
C
You
know
we
once
we
have
determined
and
we've
reviewed
with
joe
the
final
design,
which
is
going
to
be
happening
quickly,
my
team's
working
on
this.
Currently,
then
we
will
be
able
to
determine,
but
I
think
we
will
be
able
to
exhaust
the
funds
as
part
of
this
grant,
based
on
what
will
be
in
place,
even
if
we
have
to
get
it
here
earlier
and
pay
for
storage
so
that
we
can
say
that
we
have
this
and
we've
procured
it
within
the
time
frame.
F
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
this
great
presentation.
Congratulations
on
getting
the
grant,
I'm
also
going
to
apologize,
because
I
had
to
step
away
for
a
bit.
So
I
hope
I
asked
I'm
not
asking
a
question
that
was
already
asked
because
I
hate
when
that
happens.
So
I
apologize.
But
what?
What
are
the
other
sources
of
funding?
What
are
the
other
sources
of
funding
that
would
have
been
available?
B
C
Yeah,
so
property
management
manages
city
hall,
and
that's
you
know,
commissioner
rooney's
team.
So
basically
they
do
the
the
operational
the
maintenance,
the
upkeep.
Our
our
department
manages
the
mayor's
capital
plan,
so
we
we
are
invested
in.
You
know
between
the
work.
We
do
on
city
plaza,
the
next
phase
of
city
hall,
accessibility,
and
you
know,
prior
to
when
we
do
a
project.
We
do
a
study
and
we
look
at
the
accessibility
and
also
the
code
requirements
that
the
building
might
be
lacking
and
incorporate
that
into
the
actual
project.
C
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
bach,
for
this
important
important
meeting
discussion
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
commissioner
mikash
and
to
kerry
griffin
as
well
for
the
the
work
both
of
you
do
in
support
of
persons
with
disabilities.
So
I
think
it's
probably
the
most
important
issue
in
the
city
is
making
sure
that
persons
with
disability
have
full
access
to
public
spaces
and
private
spaces,
and
certainly
the
that
area
is
not
accessible
to
persons
with
disabilities.
H
And
I
I
question
I
I
you
know
I
see
that
lift
going
up
the
stairs
and
I
and
I
I
never
saw
anyone
using
it
and-
and
I
said
to
myself
you
know,
even
if
someone
did
use
it,
it
looked
so
dangerous
for
someone
to
use
it.
The
other
thing
I
was
thinking
about
kristin
is
you
know.
I'm
also
concerned
is
with
the
mayor.
H
Has
the
press
conference
there
walking
down
those
stairs
for
persons
with
disabilities
not
using
using
the
walking
down
those
stairs
where
the
banister,
where
the
railing
is
located
kind
of
in
the
center
of
the
steel
way?
You
know,
I
don't
think
that's
safe.
I
don't
think
that
whole
system
is
is
safe,
that
whole
setup
is
staying
safe.
The
steers
are
too
steep
for
a
senior
for
for
person
with
disability.
H
For,
like
you
see
my
parents
walking
up
and
down
broadway
all
the
time,
but
like
a
seat,
a
person,
an
elderly
person
could
not
walk
up
those
stairs
going
from
the
mezzanine
up
towards
the
fifth
floor.
It's
impossible
in
an
elderly
person
could
not
walk
down
those
stairs
because
how
steep
they
are.
It's
it's
impossible
in
in
in
my
parents,
have
custody
of
a
little
special
needs
boy
who
who,
who
can't
really
walk
that
well
either,
and
he
couldn't
he
couldn't
walk
up
those
stairs
or
down
those
stairs.
H
So
I
I
I
appreciate
that
we're
getting
the
the
major
lift
there.
So
that's
that's
that's
positive
news,
the
the
other,
the
other,
my
I
guess
my
question
is,
you
know
I
see
a
lot
of
people
city
employees
now
using
the
outside
of
the
mezzanine
for
for
lunch,
especially
in
the
nice
weather,
but
that
area
out
there
doesn't
seem
all
that
welcoming
to
persons
with
disabilities
either.
H
You
know
I
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
have
we
done
a
a
complete,
a
complete
audit
of
the
whole
building
of
what
spaces
are
in
compliant
and
what
spaces
aren't
in
compliance
with
ada
issues
and
if
something's,
not
in
compliance
with
ada
issues,
you
know
it's
it's.
I
it's
my
job
and
it's
all
the
counselor's
job,
it's
and
it's
the
mayor's
job
to
get
funding
in
the
budget.
So
everything
in
city
hall
is
ada
compliant.
B
B
Now
massachusetts
has
really
strong
accessibility,
codes
under
521
cmr,
the
architectural
access
board
and
they
were
implemented
in
1968,
so
the
building
was
designed.
It
was
permitted.
It
was
built
by
the
time
the
ab
was
launched,
so
it
missed
some
of
the
critical
built-in
features
of
accessibility
and
now,
as
we
all
know,
the
building
is
built
of
solid
concrete.
B
So
it's
really
difficult
to
move
walls,
and
I
know
that
public
facilities
makes
a
herculean
effort
when
something
has
to
be
fixed,
like
even
like
to
expand
a
bathroom
door.
It
can
be
like
a
huge
project.
It's
not
like
just
taking
down
a
wall,
it's
literally
like
demolishing
concrete,
so
we
are
definitely
cognizant
of
the
fact
of
what
the
building
is
now
and
we're
working
towards
making
it
much
more
accessible.
B
But
one
other
point
I
want
to
make:
is
you
made
a
really
good
assessment
when
you
said
the
the
lift
isn't
accessible
and
I
want
to
say
that's
a
perfect
example
of
something
being
compliant
but
not
accessible
because
it
may
meet
the
letter
of
the
law,
but
it
certainly
doesn't
meet
the
spirit
of
the
law
and
the
example
you
give
of
your
parents.
I
think
what,
if
age
strong
wanted
to
have
like
a
luncheon
up
there
for
seniors,
you
could
never
have
the
seniors
going
up
one
at
a
time
on
a
lift
like
that.
B
B
C
C
C
We
know
that
the
in
all
of
these
things
are,
as
in
terms
of
phasing
for
city
hall,
but
it's
looking
at
the
long-term
vision
of
the
building,
because
some
of
these
issues
would
go
away.
If
we
try
to,
you
know,
incorporate
some
of
the
the
the
long-term
vision
of
the
building
where
it
would.
You
know
that
that
it
wouldn't
no
longer
be
an
accessibility
issue.
However,
we
do
have
for
the
projects
that
we
have
right
now
that
are
currently
in
design
and
in
construction.
C
H
Well
well,
thank
you,
commissioner
mccosh
and
thank
you
kerry,
and
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
property
management
team
as
well.
In
my
comments,
I
I
should
have
said
also
at
the
beginning.
I
I
respect
the
work
that
all
of
you
are
doing,
and
I
I
want
to
continue
working
with
you,
because
these
are
critical
and
important
issues
making
sure
that
our
persons
with
disabilities
are
treated
with
respect
and
dignity.
H
So
I
appreciate
the
public
facilities,
the
property
management,
christa
mclaughs
team,
but
but
finally,
my
my
final
point
is:
please
come
to
us
at
the
council.
This
is
budget
time
and
it's
our
job
to
advocate
effectively
working
with
the
mayor
for
persons
with
disabilities,
so
my
door
is
always
open
and
we
need
to
do
more
to
make
our
city
accessible
to
everyone.
A
I
I
The
extra
step,
I
guess,
is
thinking
about
the
other
properties
in
city,
if
that
aren't
ada
compliant
or
up
to
code,
and
what
sort
of
what's
the
timeline
that
the
city
has
to
like
get
them
up
to
code?
I
think
about
you
know
like
the
the
fact
that
we,
as
city
or
state
right,
can
actually
find
the
public
for
something
like
this.
That's
not
in
compliance.
B
B
The
disheartening
news
is
a
lot
of
these.
Buildings
are
really
old
and
need
a
lot
of
work,
but
I,
like
I
said,
like
I
keep
saying,
we
are
really
involved
with
property
management
and
public
facilities
on
all
their
work,
and
we
gave
a
lot
of
good
input
on
the
redesign
of
the
mckim
building
at
the
copley
library
they're
doing
a
master
plan
to
make
the
front
entrance
accessible,
because
traditionally
this
entrance
has
not
been
accessible.
B
There's
a
temporary
ramp
right
now
to
get
in,
but
it's
really
not
in
keeping
with
the
building,
so
public
facilities
is
doing
a
whole
design
master
plan
to
make
that
accessible.
So
we
know
these
things
take
time
because
of
the
age
of
the
buildings
and
the
budget,
you
could
never
make
everything
compliant
all
at
once.
So
I
think,
like
kerry,
said,
we
have
plans
to
bring
things
into
compliance
as
we
do
work,
and
there
are
also
triggers
that
happen
like.
If
you
spend
so
much
money,
then
you
have
to
make
the
whole
building
compliant.
B
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
yeah.
So,
just
to
reiterate,
you
know
when
we
do
when
we
look
at
a
building
when
we
get
like
we're
in
full
blown
capital
planning
cycle
right
now.
As
part
of
that,
once
we
get
assigned
projects,
we
will
look
at.
You
know
we'll
actually
look
at
what
the
value
of
the
project
is
versus
the,
because
the
code
gets
triggered
based
on
a
three-year
duration,
and
if
we
exceed
that
full
value
of
the
building
value,
then
we
have
to
become
full
and
full
compliance.
C
So
if
you
know
we,
if
we
go
into
something
thinking-
and
this
is
all
the
upfront
planning,
so
if
we
go
into
something
thinking-
we're
gonna
spend
two
million
dollars,
but
then
we
end
up
spending
16
million
because
we
need
to
bring
the
building
up
to
full
code.
You
know
we
just
want
that's
part
of
our
planning
exercise
that
we
do
with
our
clients,
in
the
user
agencies
and
with
our
partner.
C
It
would
be
project
dependent,
but
if
you
wanted
to
see
like,
if
you
had
a
question
on
a
building
that
we
were
doing,
absolutely
we
could
give.
You
know,
provide
you
with
the
information
on
either
the
building.
What's
been
studied
in
the
past.
You
know,
if
you
you
know
again,
if
we
haven't
seen
it
yet,
if
it
hasn't
come
to
our
office
or
the
user
agency
hasn't
applied
for
a
study
of
it,
we
might
not
know
about
it
or
have
studied
it.
B
And
counselor,
I
would
just
add,
to
follow
up
on
that
that,
even
though
every
single
facility
might
not
be
accessible,
we
still
provide
full
access
and
services
to
boston
residents
or
visitors.
So
if
somebody
wanted
to
participate
in
a
program,
that's
in
a
school,
that's
not
accessible,
then
we
would
move
the
program
and
that's
part
of
my
job.
As
the
ada
title
ii
coordinator,
we
have
to
ensure
equal
access
to
all
of
the
city's
programs
and
services,
including
meetings
and
events.
B
So
we
do
a
ton
of
work
with
interdepartmental
work
with
other
city
agencies
like
schools
and
public
health.
Commission,
and
you
know,
property
management,
libraries.
We
work
with
all
of
them
to
ensure
that
if
they
are
hosting
any
events
or
offering
any
programs
that
they
are
fully
accessible
to
persons
with
disabilities
and
that's
allowed
under
the
ada,
while
we
transition
into
full
compliance
because
we
certainly
want
to
get
there
and
it
is
a
priority
like
I
said
it's
just
going
to
be
a
phased
in
transition.
B
My
staff
and
I
were
just
reviewing
the
the
school
plan
blanking
on
the
name
of
it,
but
build
bps.
I
think,
and
they
have
a
chart
that
rates
accessibility,
so
I
think
it
might
depend
on
department.
I
know
I
work
closely
with
the
public
health
commission
office
of
emergency
preparedness
a
few
years
ago
and
they
did
an
assessment
of
all
the
city's
shelters,
whether
the
shelters
were
in
a
school
or
community
center
or
a
municipal
building,
so
they
have
information
on
that.
B
Similarly,
the
elections
department
has
data
on
accessibility
of
polling
places.
They
all
need
to
be
100
ada
compliant.
So
we
know
those
buildings
are
they're,
not
all
city-owned.
Some
of
them
are
churches
and
elderly
buildings,
but
we
do
have
this
information
in
a
lot
of
places.
It's
just
not
consolidated
all
in
one
place.
I
J
A
A
So
I'm
just
and
I
think
in
general,
when
you
enter
city
hall,
the
sense
is
like
you're,
either
going
right
to
the
elevators
you're
going
up
the
stairs
or
you're
going
left
to
go
down
to
the
the
various
functions
right.
So
I
just,
I
think
there
isn't
a
natural
path
of
travel
along
the
side
there
to
that
staircase
and
stuff,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
we're
thinking
about
flagging
up
for
people
that
they
can
now
get
to
the
lift.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point
and
I
will
say
wayfinding
is
a
critical
piece
of
our
work
because,
as
you
say,
you
know
if
you
have
a
disability
and
you
can't
like
take
the
typical
route,
you
really
need
to
be
able
to
to
find
the
accessible
route.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
ever
noticed
or
knows
about
the
asphalt
pad
on
city
hall
plaza
by
the
sierras
crescent,
and
that
is
an
accessible
route
that
we
had
installed
about
10
years
ago
for
people
with
disabilities
to
get
across
the
plaza.
B
That
being
said,
a
lot
of
people
didn't
know
about
it.
So
we
work
with
property
management
to
put
signage
up
that
says
accessible
route,
and
I
know
the
work
of
my
architectural
access
team.
They
emphasize
that
in
every
review
they
do
that.
Wayfinding
is
a
critical
piece
of
work,
because
if
we
have
accessible
features,
but
nobody
knows
they're
there,
they
might
as
well
not
be
there.
B
So
we
had
a
meeting
on
site
last
week
with
the
elevator
consultants,
with
public
facilities
and
property
management,
and
we
reviewed
the
space
and
luckily
enough,
there's
just
a
little
area
right
there.
That
will
work
perfectly.
We
were
lucky
that
the
nursing
pod
is
on
one
side
and
that
there's
a
space
on
the
other
side.
B
But
one
good
thing
is
that
it's
going
to
be
clear,
glass
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
it.
You
know
through
the
pillar
from
the
front
entrance
of
city
hall,
but
we
will
definitely
add
signage
and
wayfinding
tools
to
get
to
there.
We'll
also
inform
like
security
and
the
greeters
in
city
hall
and
we'll
do
outreach
to
the
disability
community.
A
E
So
I'm
just
happy
that
you
know
this
conversation
is
happening
and
that
we're
moving
forward
to
make
sure
that
this
elevator
is
in
place
and
that
we're
not
blocking
anyone
from
access
to
and
we're
also
not
scheduling
things
in
areas,
because
there
is
an
access
right,
so
coming
from
both
ends
is
important.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
all
this.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
balkan
again
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
good
friend,
christian,
so
kristin.
I
know
the
disability
commission
meets
at
the
city
council
chamber
and
I
try
to
go
to
go
to
the
meetings
as
well.
You
guys
usually
meet
in
the
evenings,
so
is
that
is
that
fully
accessible
for
for
everyone?
B
So
I
would
say:
not
only
is
it
completely
accessible,
but
it
has
what
we
call
ideal
access,
because
it's
fully
accessible
for
people
in
wheelchairs,
including
they
took
out
the
whole
front
row
of
seats
and
left
spaces
for
wheelchairs
to
sit
so
wheelchairs,
don't
have
to
just
stick
out
in
the
middle
of
an
aisle
which
I
know
as
a
wheelchair
user
is
very
frustrating
and
uncomfortable,
but
they
also
put
in
an
audio
loop.
So
people
have
hearing
aids
can
tune
right
into
the
sound
system.
B
We
also
installed
tvs
in
certain
areas.
So
when
we
have
captions
running
people
who
are
deaf
or
hard
of
hearing
can
sit
close
to
the
tv
and
watch
the
captions.
You
know
they
really
looked
at
every
piece
of
accessibility.
They
upgraded
the
acoustics,
so
they
wouldn't
be
so
echoey
and
you
know
really
poor
quality
of
acoustics.
B
They
really
did
a
bunch
of
things
in
the
city
council
chamber,
which
created
ideal
access
and
we're
thrilled
that
the
city
council
gave
us
permission
to
meet
there.
Unfortunately,
since
the
pandemic,
we
haven't
met
in
person,
but
we
do
hope
to
get
back
to
that
soon.
But
you're
welcome
to
come
to
our
zoo
meetings.
Can
we
put
you
on
the
calendar
if
you'd
like.
H
Well
well,
thank
you,
kristin
I'll
I'll
definitely
come
to
the
next
meeting
and
just
as
an
fy
fyi,
I'm
going
to
washington
in
a
couple
weeks,
the
disabled
american
veterans
conference-
that's
in
that's
in
dc
and
advocating
for
more
funding
nationally
for
disabled
veterans,
but
I
always
reference
the
the
great
work
the
city
of
boston
does
in
support
of
persons
with
disabilities,
and
I
kind
of
encourage
people
across
the
country
to
take
a
look
at
what
boston
is
doing
on
in
support
of
persons
with
disabilities.
Having
said
that,
there's
always
more
work.
H
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
councillor
flynn.
I
sorry
I'm
afraid
I
came
up
with
one
more
which
was
just
carrie.
If
you
could
speak
to
like
what
the
total
development
cost
of
this
project
is,
I
mean
we're
getting
250
000
and
it
sounds
like
you
know:
we've
contemplated
that
to
really
be
most
of
the
cost
of
it,
but
you
know
there
are
like
you
like
these
other
incidentals
or
I
don't
know
we'll
just
let
you
speak
to
it.
C
Yeah
sure
we
there,
the
250
000,
is
not
going
to
cover
the
full
cost
of
the
project.
It's
it's
the
you
know,
because
the
grant
actually
is
very
specific
that
it
cannot
include
design
costs.
It
cannot
include
consulting
costs,
but
it
will.
I
don't
have
that
now
because,
like
I
said
we're
still
in
design,
but
we
will
get
an
estimate-
and
I
can
certainly
forward
that
over
to
the
council
once
I
have
all
costs
all
in
just
for
complete
transparency,
but
again
our
partners
at
obm.
C
C
A
B
A
Yeah,
no,
it's
fantastic
and
yeah
grateful
to
everybody
everybody
for
pulling
together
to
get
this
done.
I
think
it'll
be
good
for
the
whole
council,
and
I
would
just
say,
commissioner,
to
tag
on
to
president
flynn's
point,
because
I
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
opening
up
of
the
outdoor
courtyard
on
the
third
floor
for
staff
to
have
lunch
and
stuff
in
the
in
the
spring
and
summer
was
actually
quite
pleasant
and-
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
that
space
actually
does
have
ramps
and
such
so
that's
great.
A
D
H
A
Great
sounds
good.
Well,
I
certainly
want
to
say
that
I
will
be
strongly
recommending
this
grant
for
approval
at
our
next
council
meeting
and
I'm
grateful
again
for
all
the
detailed
presentations
from
the
city
staff.
I
don't
believe
with
anyone
signed
up
for
public
testimony,
but
I'll
just
check
right
now,
shane
or
carrie.
Do
you
have
anybody.