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Description
The focus of this hearing is the FY23 budgets for the Mayor's Office of Housing and the Office of Fair Housing & Equity.
Dockets #0480-0482
Orders for the FY23 Operating Budget, including annual appropriations for departmental operations, for the School Department, and for other post-employment benefits (OPEB).
Docket #0483
Orders for capital fund transfer appropriations.
Dockets #0484-0486
Orders for the Capital Budget, including loan orders and lease-purchase agreements.
A
Anderson,
the
district
7
city
councilor-
I
am
the
chair
of
the
boston
city
council
committee
on
chair
of
ways
and
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A
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A
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A
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A
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Today's
hearing
is
on
dockets
zero.
Four,
eight
zero,
two
zero
four
eight
two
orders
for
the
fy23
operating
budget,
including
annual
appropriations
for
departmental
operations
for
the
school
department
and
for
other
post
employment
benefits,
opeb
docket,
zero.
Four,
eight
three
orders
for
capital
fund
transfer
appropriations,
docket
zero,
four,
eight,
four:
two:
zero:
four:
eight
six
orders
for
the
capital
budget,
including
loan
orders
and
lease
purchase
agreements.
A
Our
panelists
today
in
for
today's
hearing
are
sheila
dillon
chief
of
housing,
rick
wilson,
deputy
director
administration
and
finance,
donald
wright,
deputy
director
of
real
estate
management
sales,
danielle
johnson,
deputy
director
office
of
housing,
stability
for
ofhe
panelists,
william
o'noja.
A
Oh
thank
you,
director
of
fair
housing
and
is
it
thigh
bells
awesome,
chief
of
staff,
fair
housing
and
equity.
A
I've
been
informed
that
you
would
prefer
doing
one
presentation
and
then
moving
forward
with
questions
together.
Okay,
so
seeing
that
the
panels
are,
there
are
six
of
you.
A
You
may
take
up
to
25
minutes
for
your
presentation,
you'll
be
timed
and
hear
a
timer
upon
that
time.
Just
let
me
know
if
you
need
a
couple
more
minutes
and
then
we'll
do
first
round.
We
can
do
the
same
as
yesterday
so
longer
time.
Okay,
so
for
each
round,
we'll
just
do
two
rounds
for
each
round.
Eight
minutes
each
counselor
and
in
between
we'll
do
public
testimony.
A
A
And
now,
without
further
ado,
I
will
turn
to
the
floor
for
your
presentation.
Welcome
and
thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
will
be
as
succinct
as
possible
good
morning,
councillor
fernandez,
anderson
and
members
of
the
ways
and
means
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
today
regarding
our
fiscal
year,
23
budget.
C
A
B
Oh
great,
so
for
the
record,
my
name
is
sheila
dillon
and
I'm
chief
of
housing
and
director
of
the
mayor's
office
of
housing.
Testifying
with
me
today
is
danielle
johnson
deputy
director
of
the
office
of
housing,
stability,
donald
wright,
deputy
director
for
real
estate
management
sales,
rick
wilson,
deputy
director
for
administration
and
finance,
donald
rick,
and
I
will
be
presenting
and
danielle
is
here
as
the
newest
member
of
our
leadership
team
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
office
of
housing
stability.
B
B
So,
as
you
know,
counselors
mayor's
office
of
housing
work
cuts
across
six
strategic
areas,
creating
and
preserving,
affordable
housing,
ending
homelessness,
strengthening
home
ownership,
supporting
renters
and
managing
and
disposing
of
city
owned
property
and
new
for
this
year.
The
grow
boston
initiative
which
builds
upon
our
grassroots
program
to
promote
urban
agriculture,
community
gardens
and
food
production
in
the
city
before
turning
it
over
to
donald
and
rick.
I'd
like
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
provide
some
highlights
of
our
accomplishments
this
last
year
and
our
goals
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
B
First,
housing
development.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
great
there's
a
lot
of
great
interest
in
this
work.
We've
had
tremendous
success
in
the
past
year,
creating
affordable
housing
with
over
1400
new
income,
restricted
units
being
permitted,
including
over
250
units
for
housing.
For
our
seniors,
two
of
the
recent
projects
are
featured
here.
The
photo
on
the
right
is
pride.
B
Looking
forward
to
fiscal
year,
23
will
continue
to
support
the
creation
and
preservation
of
affordable
housing
and
double
down
on
our
real
estate
acquisitions,
using
city
and
federal
funds,
and
will
continue
to
recruit
and
support
local
mwbe
developers
for
this
development
work.
We
will
also
seek
to
significantly
increase
resources
for
affordable
housing
by
updating
the
linkage
and
inclusionary
development
policies.
We
look
forward
to
being
bringing
those
new
policy
ideas
back
to
the
city
council
and
by
lobbying
for
passage
of
the
property
transfer
fee
home
rule
petition,
which
this
body
supported
several
months
ago.
B
B
B
Next,
I
want
to
talk
a
wee
bit
about
homelessness
and
supportive
housing,
coveted
19
and
the
humanitarian
crisis
at
mass
cass
has
highlighted
the
importance
for
this
work.
In
fiscal
year,
22
we've
continued
to
house
hundreds
of
homeless,
adults,
veterans,
youth
and
families.
We've
also
worked
with
the
state
and
partner
agencies
to
set
up
low
threshold
sites
for
the
individuals
that
were
living
at
the
mass
cass
area.
B
In
addition,
we've
created
over
360
new
units
of
housing
for
homeless
households
with
another
343
in
the
pipeline,
two
very
significant
projects
that
you
may
be
aware
of
we're
showing
them
here:
3368
washington,
street,
in
jamaica,
plain
and
140
claredon
street
and
back
bay.
These
are
the
biggest
supportive
housing
projects
in
the
city's
history
and
both
have
services
being
provided
by
pine
street
inn.
B
Finally,
earlier
this
year
we
launched
the
special
commission
on
family
homelessness
and
that
work
is
ongoing
in
fiscal
year,
23
we're
pushing
to
house
a
thousand
homeless
individuals
and
we're
going
to
leverage
all
of
our
federal
covid
and
arpa
funding
to
significantly
accelerate
and
increase
production
of
supportive
housing.
We'll
also
issue
updated
and
new
plans
to
guide
all
of
our
homeless
efforts
next
very
quickly,
home
ownership.
We
know
how
important
home
ownership
is
in
addressing
the
inequities
in
housing
and
wealth
in
boston.
B
Over
the
past
few
years,
we've
expanded
our
support
to
home
buyers
through
larger
down
payment
assistance,
the
launching
of
the
one
plus
boston
mortgage
program
and
the
first
generation
home
buyer
match
savings
program
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
vast
majority
of
this
assistance
is
going
to
households
of
color.
B
We
also
continue
to
fund
home
repair
and
heating
system
projects,
especially
for
our
seniors,
and
provide
foreclosure
prevention
services
to
hundreds
of
households.
Every
year
in
this
year,
we
used
federal,
coveted
funding
to
provide
mortgage
relief
to
homeowners
impacted
by
the
pandemic
in
fiscal
year.
23
we'll
continue
to
provide
financial
assistance
to
even
greater
numbers
of
first-time
homebuyers,
especially
if
the
arpa
funding
is
approved
and
will
push
to
move
as
many
affordable
home
ownership
projects
into
construction
as
possible,
leveraging
city
land
and
federal
funding.
B
We
have
a
healthy
pipeline
of
over
500
units
in
pre-development
on
top
of
the
102
units
that
started
construction
this
year
again
councillors.
This
slide
shows
how
our
home
buying
financial
assistance
supports
households
across
the
city
and
is
benefiting
communities
of
color
with
68
percent
of
this
funding
going
to
buy
park,
households
and
the
next
slide
shows
the
same
for
our
home
repair
programs,
with
66
percent
of
our
assistance
going
to
buy
households
and
sixty
nine
percent
of
our
funding
going
to
mattapan
dorchester
and
roxbury.
B
As
you
know,
housing
stability
has
been
a
huge
focus
of
the
mayor's
office
of
housing.
During
the
pandemic,
we've
distributed
over
35
million
dollars
to
about
six
thousand
households
through
the
rental
relief
fund,
and
on
top
of
that,
we've
served
another
five
thousand
households
with
various
services,
including
other
financial
assistance,
legal
assistance,
just
good
guidance,
housing
search.
We've
also
launched
the
rent
stabilization
advisory
committee
to
look
at
how
other
jurisdictions
have
implemented,
rent
stabilization
and
make
recommendations
on
how
boston
may
adopt
such
a
policy
for
fiscal
year.
B
B
The
next
this
slide
yeah.
I
think
it
should
be
next
slide.
Thank
you
shows
how
our
rental
relief
funding
spending
is
broken
down
by
neighborhood
and
demographic
groups.
We've
worked
hard
to
ensure
that
every
community
of
boston
can
access
this
assistance
by
translating
program
materials,
promoting
it
through
every
possible
channel
like
boston,
public
school
communications
and
engaging
neighborhood
non-profits
to
conduct
outreach
and
assist
renters
completing
the
application.
B
B
We're
very
excited
to
be
making
real
progress
on
the
blue
hill
avenue
action
plan
having
designated
five
parcels
to
an
nwbe
developer
and
three
to
habitat
for
humanity,
and
we
just
issued
the
rfp
for
18
more
parcels
along
this
important
corridor
in
fiscal
year
23.
We
expect
to
sell
or
transfer
at
least
95
parcels
of
land
and
we're
working
with
the
bpda
and
other
city
agencies
to
identify
all
the
parcels
suitable
for
home
ownership.
B
I'm
wrapping
up.
I
promise.
As
I
mentioned
earlier
this
year,
we
launched
the
grow
boston
program
to
promote
food
production.
Urban
agriculture.
Our
successful
grassroots
community
garden
program
will
continue
to
be
an
important
component
of
grow
boston.
In
addition,
we'll
work
with
the
office
of
food,
justice
and
other
city
departments
to
develop
and
implement
new
initiatives
like
rooftop
gardens,
raised
beds
in
low
and
moderate
income,
neighborhoods
and
planting
fruit
trees
on
city-owned
land.
B
We
also
work
with
city
agencies
to
provide
resources
for
home
and
community
gardens,
including
technical
assistance,
educational
programs
and
gardening
tools,
we're
very,
very
excited,
but
to
get
going
on
this
work,
I'm
now
going
to
turn
this
over
to
donald
wright,
who
will
briefly
discuss
some
of
our
efforts
to
advance
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
at
the
office
of
housing,
and
then
rick
wilson
will
discuss
our
recommended
budget.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
Donald.
D
B
D
Good
morning,
counselors
for
the
record,
I
am
donald
wright,
deputy
director
of
real
estate
management
and
sales
divisions
at
the
mayor's
office
of
housing.
I'd
like
to
take
a
few
moments
to
share
with
you
our
efforts
around
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
Yw
boston
is
supporting
moh
through
their
inclusion,
boston
series,
a
change
management
process
designed
to
help
mohs
audit
current
strengths,
identify
obstacles
and
perform
a
root
cause
analysis
of
challenges.
D
The
inclusion,
boston,
cohort,
a
mix
of
moh
staff
is
participating
in
a
series
of
five
two-hour
workshops
or
dialogue
sessions,
with
the
goal
of
coming
up
with
a
draft
action
plan
which
focuses
on
internal
mlh,
culture
operations
and
practices
and
as
far
as
contracting,
this
is
an
area
that
we
focus
and
work
on
diligently
throughout
the
agency
out
of
50
51
active
fiscal
year,
22
contracts,
19
or
37
percent
are
mwbes,
10
of
whom
are
certified.
D
25,
which
is
51
percent,
are
boston
based.
We
will
continue
to
work
with
our
partners
in
the
office
of
economic
opportunity
to
recruit
and
certify
more
mohs
contractors.
We
will
also
continue
to
provide
technical
assistance,
pre-imposed
bid
and
rfp
submission
diversity.
Inclusion
plan
is
required
for
all
services
dispositions
and
funding
rfps
in
hiring
this
past
year,
we
expanded
and
targeted
outreach
to
attract
diverse
applicant
pools.
D
The
use
of
partners
such
as
the
builders
of
color
coalition,
community
partners,
staff
recommendations
and
networks
has
also
assisted
us
in
that,
in
addition
to
outreach,
we
looked
at
our
hiring
practices
and
identified
areas
to
improve,
by
creating
diverse
hiring
committees,
to
review
blind
resumes
and
uniform
questions
to
address
implicit
bias
when
it
comes
to
language
and
communication
access.
We've
also
focused
greatly
on
that
all
meetings
have
interpretation
services.
We
have
translated
program
materials
throughout
all
of
the
departments
and
intensive
use
of
the
language
line
which
is
second
to
to
3-1-1.
C
Good
morning,
councilors
good
morning,
our
so
our
fy
23
budget
proposal
I'll
go
through.
This
very
quickly
is
41.9
million
dollars.
That's
our
city
operating
funding,
including
the
housing
2030
special
appropriation;
that's
an
increase
of
six
and
a
half
million
over
fy22,
or
about
18
so
another
year
in
a
series
of
years
of
significant
increases
in
funding
for
housing,
which
we
are
very
excited
about.
There's
a
number
of
investments
that
make
up
that
six
and
a
half
million
dollars.
C
The
largest
is
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
the
city
of
boston,
voucher
program.
That's
a
tour!
That's
bringing
total
funding
for
that
program
to
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars,
that's
administered
by
the
bha
through
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
our
office
a
little
over
a
million
dollars
for
housing
and
services
for
homeless
individuals.
C
Eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
grow
boston
program
that
sheila
described
earlier
and
then
additional
investments
for
housing,
development
and
acquisitions,
housing
stability
services,
some
much
needed
repairs
and
improvements
at
the
strand,
theater
in
opham's
corner
and
some
additional
staff
capacity
to
support
our
work.
C
This
fy
23
capital
budget
includes
72
million
dollars
in
housing
projects.
These
are
really
bha
projects,
but,
as
they're
listed
in
our
section
of
the
budget,
I
thought
I
would
mention
them.
If
you
have
questions,
we
can
get
the
responses
or
bring
up
the
representative
from
the
bha
to
address
them.
C
There's
one
project
for
the
mary
ellen,
mccormick
development
in
south
boston
and
two
projects
for
the
mildred
c
haley
houses
in
house
and
jp.
C
As
you
know,
counselors
most
of
our
funding
comes
from
external
sources.
We
expect
145
million
dollars
in
total
spending
from
external
sources
for
fy23.
C
A
E
Excuse
me
good
morning,
counselors,
my
name
is:
will
anoha,
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
office
of
fair
housing
inequity.
Thank
you
for
having
us
this
morning
and
I'll
do
my
best
to
be
as
brief
as
possible.
Well
I'll,
just
read
a
couple
of
things
into
the
record
in
a
moment
at
the
moment,
just
to
explain
office
of
housing
equity
to
you,
so
the
office
of
housing
equity
is
a
guardian
and
promoter
of
equal
housing
opportunity
in
boston.
E
Our
mission
is
to
eliminate
discrimination
and
ensure
equitable
access
to
housing,
opportunities,
public
services,
public
accommodations
and
participation
in
activities.
The
office
strives
to
reduce
procedural
attitudinal
and
communication
barriers
for
persons
living
in
the
city
of
boston.
The
basic
functions
of
the
office
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
investigate
reactive
and
proactive
complaints
of
housing.
E
Discrimination
seek
resolution
of
initial
complaints,
seek
disciplinary
enforcement
against
respondents
found
guilty
of
just
of
discriminatory
practices
through
monetary,
educational
and
restrictive
sanctions,
partner
with
housing
and
development
sister
agencies
to
draft
and
implement
equitable
housing
policy,
conduct,
fair
housing,
education
and
outreach,
training
for
landlords,
property
owners,
real
estate,
brokerage
firms,
housing
agencies,
real
estate
boards
and
banks
when
needed.
E
The
office
receives
complaints
in
two
ways,
from
the
public
complaints
and
from
those
initiated
by
our
office.
Public
complaints.
Any
resident
living
in
the
city
of
boston
can
bring
a
complaint
to
our
attention
by
one
of
the
following
ways:
calling
our
office
emailing
or
visiting
us
on
our
website
or
by
visiting
in
person
when
contacting
us.
The
residents
should
provide
us
with
as
much
detailed
information
or
do
provide
as
much
different
information
and
evidence
of
the
discriminatory
act
taken
against
them
as
possible.
E
This
includes,
but
is
not
limited
to
written
statements,
pictures
voice,
recordings,
internet
postings,
etc.
We
also
do
office
initiating
complaint
office,
initiated
complaints
or
better
commission
of
initiated
complaints
in
an
effort
to
determine
whether
a
housing
provider
is
engaging
in
discriminatory
practices.
E
E
Discrimination
testing
relies
on
paired
testing
a
method,
a
methodology
in
which
two
testers
assume
the
role
of
applicants
with
equivalent
social
and
economic
characteristics
who
differ
only
in
terms
of
the
characteristics
being
tested
for
discrimination
such
as
race,
disability,
status
or
source
of
income
rental
voucher.
Another
word
in
other
ways.
Excuse
me
another
way
of
saying
that
is
section
8.,
depending
on
which
part
of
the
housing
transaction
process
is
being
tested.
E
The
match
candidate
may
only
request
appointments
from
housing
providers
or
they
may
visit
in
person
testers
apply
for
housing
anywhere
in
the
city
of
boston.
However,
their
work
is
predominantly
in
white
or
affluent
neighborhoods
in
order
to
provide
irrefutable
evidence
of
discriminatory
of
discriminatory
practice.
Each
test
sample
is
tested
between
four
and
five
times
is
important
to
point
out
that
evidence
provided
by
testers
also
benefits
unbiased
landlords
by
quickly
dispelling
false
claims
of
discrimination,
so
in
other
words,
it
cuts
both
ways.
E
When
discriminatory
practices
are
found,
fhe
will
assume
excuse
me.
Oshe
will
issue
a
complaint
against
housing
providers
on
the
behalf
of
the
city
of
boston
as
a
complainant
or
injured
party
and
prosecute
such
cases
before
the
boston,
fair
housing
commission
at
this.
At
this
point,
ofhe
seeks
financial
sanctions
against
housing
providers,
including
civil
and
compensatory
damages
beginning
at
ten
thousand
dollars.
In
addition,
ofhe
seeks
to
require
mandatory
educational
training
on
fair
housing
laws
provided
by
the
office
of
fair
housing
and
equity.
E
In
the
event
that
a
respondent
appeals,
the
decision
of
the
boston,
fair
housing
commission,
the
attorney
general,
becomes
the
complainant
of
on
the
behalf
of
the
commission
and
litigates
such
cases.
Should
this
happen,
the
testing
provides
necessary
evidence
to
support
the
conclusion
that
there
are
sufficient
disputed
issues
of
material
fact
to
defeat
a
summary
judgment
motion
and
require
determination
by
the
terry
of
fact,
in
pattern
or
practice
cases
and
in
individual
cases.
E
It
is
important
to
note
that,
in
order
to
prove
a
housing
discrimination
suit
in
a
rental
context
in
massachusetts,
complaint
complainants
must
show
that
they
one
are
a
member
of
a
protected
class
to
have
attempted
to
apply
for
an
apartment
for
which
complainants
are
qualified
and
and
also
that,
respondents
are
seeking.
Applicants
and
three
were
deterred
from
applying
under
circumstances
given
rise
to
a
rise
to
an
rate
give
raise
to
an
inference
of
unlawful
discrimination.
A
President
flynn,
you
have
the
floor.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
important
leadership
that
you're
providing
thank
you
to
the
panelists
for
being
here
and
for
your
leadership
as
well.
F
B
B
I
think
the
biggest
challenges
we
face
is
getting
more
entities
interested
in
participating
in
the
program,
one
and
two,
the
the
cost
of
the
acquisitions.
There's
a
lot
of
specular
speculation
right
now
in
boston,
as
we
all
know,
unfortunately,
so
in
like
in
your
district
chinatown,
the
asian
cdc
is
trying
to
you
know
actively
go
after
buildings
and
they're
being
snapped
up
by
developers.
Thinking
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
build,
you
know
very,
very
large
labs
or
resident
market
rate
residential,
so
competing
with
the
market.
B
I
think
and
getting
more
people
interested
in
the
program,
but
this
program
not
to
go
on
too
long,
but
I
just
love
this
program
so
much
because
it
it
creates
permanent,
affordable
housing,
but
it
also
preserves
tenancies
and
keeps
the
tenants
in
place.
So
it
really.
It
accomplishes
two
wonderful
things.
Thanks.
F
Thank
you
and
yes,
I
actually
reached
out
to
several
organizations
before
the
hearing.
One
of
them
was
ac
dc,
but
the
other
one
was
the
chinatown
land
trust
and
they
brought
both
brought
up
to
me
the
importance
of
the
aop
program.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
chinatown
land
trust
in
ac
dc,
along
with
other
with
other
organizations
that
are
doing
tremendous
work.
F
B
Sure
so
there
is
a
plan
to
spend
a
significant
amount
of
the
arpa
funding.
I
think
are
you
referring
to
the
arpa
funding
counselor
yeah
on
on
housing,
both
bricks
and
sticks,
building,
a
lot
more
affordable
housing
doing
acquisitions,
but
also
providing
support
to
the
office
of
houses,
housing,
stability
for
seniors
and
and
our
disabled
community?
So
yes,
yes
to
all
of
the
above
and
I'm
you
know
very
thankful
of
the
commitment.
B
I
look
forward
to
coming
back
and
and
participating
with
all
of
you
on
on
hearing
on
how
to
how
to
best
spend
that
resources.
But
I
think
the
woo
administration
has
made
it
very
clear
that
housing
is
one
of
our
number
one
issues
and
we
should
be
investing.
We
should
be
investing
most
of
the
arpa
money
on
housing
issues
and.
F
Sheila,
what
are
we
doing?
I
I
mean
I
know
what
we're
doing,
but
what
are
what
are
some
of
the
plans
going
forward
on
assisting
homeless
veterans
and
one
of
the
questions
I
had
is:
were
we
able
to
identify
any
homeless
veterans
in
and
around
the
mass
and
cass
area
during
during
this
critical
time?
There.
B
Was
very
specifically
the
people
that
doing
we're
doing
the
outreach
both
in
the
tents
and
for
folks
just
are
down
there
ask
that
question
routinely
because
homeless
vets
do
have
resources
available
to
them
that
are
unique
to
other.
You
know
just
our
general
homeless
population
some
were
identified
and
some
were
put
in
touch
with
new
england
center
for
homeless
vets,
the
vash
program
and
our
own
vets
commission.
So
yes,
there
weren't
many.
There
were
a
handful,
commissioner,
that
at
least
people
identifying
themselves
as
vets.
F
Thank
you
and
I
know
I
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
congressman
stephen
lynch
over
the
weekend.
I
know
we
he
was
able
to
work
with
the
congressional
delegation
securing
funds
for
new
england
center
for
homeless
veterans,
which,
which
is
a
which
plays
a
critical
role
in
our
city.
Madam
chair,
do
I
do
I
still
have
another
minute,
or
am
I
done.
F
Okay:
okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
again
thank
you
to
the
panelist.
Will
thank
you
for
your
testimony
as
well
appreciate
it.
What
are
we
seeing
in
terms
of
any
discrimination
towards
persons
with
disabilities,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
rents
going
up
as
we
as
we
come
out
of
this
pandemic?
But
what
are
we
seeing
in
terms
of
potential
discrimination
or
discrimination
against
persons
with
disabilities.
E
Excuse
me,
so
persons
with
disabilities
tends
to
be
discrimination
against
persons
with
disabilities
tends
to
be
one
of
the
highest
one
of
the
higher
cases
that
we
see
in
our
office,
followed
by
source
of
income,
which
would
be
individuals
that
are
voucher
holders
or
section
8
voucher
holders
and
then
followed
by
race
during
the
pandemic
in
fiscal
year
2022
or
calendar
year
2021.
If
you
will,
when
it
had
began,
one
of
the
things
we
did
see
was
an
uptick
in
discrimination
against
immigration.
E
F
Thank
you
thank
you
and
I
know
sheila
mentioned
it
and
it's
an
issue.
I've
worked
on
for
four
or
five
years,
but
the
vash
program
is
a
is
a
federal
is
a
federal
program
that
provides
housing,
assistance
to
to
veterans,
rental,
rental
assistance,
rental
assistance
to
venture
veterans
similar
to
section
8.
But
do
we
see
any
discrimination
against
anyone
holding
a
vash
voucher.
E
F
If,
if
we
have
anything
any
information
on
that,
could
you
let
me
know,
but
also,
if
you
have
any
cases
about
any
veteran
being
discriminated
against,
that
has
a
vash
voucher?
If
you
could,
let
me
know
that
as
well
and
then
the
final
question
I
have,
I
know
you
mentioned
that
there's
a
high
percentage
of
or
high
number,
I
should
say
of
tenants
that
are
aapi
that
are
that
have
been
victims
of
discrimination.
F
E
It
was
in
response
to
a
lot
of
the
negative
rhetoric
that
was
put
out
there
regarding
covet
19,
and
you
know
calling
it
the
wuhan
virus,
all
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so,
due
to
the
negative
rhetoric
that
was
placed
out
there,
the
aapi
community
suffered
greatly,
and
obviously
discrimination
was
rose
in
that
particular
category
because
of
very
very
disparaging
and
negative
information.
That
was,
that
was
centered
around
the
pandemic.
F
A
Thank
you,
councillor
braden.
You
have
the
floor.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
this
morning.
Housing
is
the
number
one
issue
in
austin
brighton.
We
did
a
constituent
survey.
A
few
months
ago
we
had
250
respondents
and
housing
was
top
of
the
list.
G
G
Boston
has
153
000
students
and
that
puts
incredible
pressure
on
our
housing
housing
stock.
I
just
wonder
how
long
should
our
neighborhoods
be
expected
to
accommodate
large
numbers
of
students
without
colleges
doing
more
to
provide
affordable,
affordable,
on-campus
housing,
and
you
know,
and
just
as
in
berkeley
california
they're
they're
looking
at
caps
on
enrollment?
G
G
G
How
many?
How
many
jobs
will
these
lab
spaces
generate
and
how
much
housing
will
we
need
to
support
all
this
new
industry
coming
in?
You
know
when
I'm
begging
for
a
district-wide
master
plan
for
also
brighton,
so
that
we
can
sort
of
manage
some
of
this.
But
that's
that's
always
a
perennial
question
and
then,
let's
see,
I
know
that
the
faneuil
gardens
housing
is
is
slated
for
rehabilitation
and
addition
of
some
new
homes.
G
I
wonder,
is
there
do
we
have
a
timeline
for
the
faneuil
gardens?
I
don't
see
any
reference
to
it
in
this
in
this
year's
budget
so
far,
and
I
know
it
went
out
to
for
an
rfp,
but
I
just
wondered
like
some
more
information
on
on
the
timeline
and
then
fair
housing
and
equity.
The
family
housing
is
a
big
issue.
G
G
Thankfully,
we're
managing
to
get
more
three-bedroom
units
and
designated
in
the
in
the
affordable
bracket,
but
again
it
is
something
that
we
need
to
really
do
more
on
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
was
with
regard
to
you
know.
So
much
of
our
family
homes
have
been
brought
up
by
speculative
investors
to
rent
out
students
and
young
professionals
in
our
district.
G
I'd
love
to
get
some
metrics
on
the
leading
programs,
because
one
of
the
the
default
position
for
a
landlord
is
they
jack
the
run
they
put
the
rent
at
such
as
such
a
price
point
that
families
can
never
couldn't
possibly
afford
it
and
then
they're
able
to
avoid
having
to
mitigate
lead
in
the
in
their
homes,
because
they're
not
renting,
specifically
to
families
and
again,
I
think,
that's
a
workaround
that
makes
it
really
difficult
for
our
low-income
and
working
families
to
to
find
a
home
in
austin
brighton,
and
we
do
have
cases
of
multiple
families
sharing
a
single
sharing
apartments,
because
that's
the
only
way
they
can
afford
to
live
in
austin
brighton.
B
I
can
try
to
answer
some
of
those
and-
and
I
joel
wool
is
here
to
talk
about-
he
could
talk
about
daniel
garden,
so
I
agree
the
students,
the
students
in
boston,
are
both
a
blessing,
but
I
don't
want
to
say
their
curse,
so.
B
But
they're
they're,
wonderful
and
they
add
to
boston
in
so
many
ways,
but
they
do
strain
our
housing,
our
housing
stock.
B
I
am
very
excited
about
the
bpda
getting
a
new
director
for
lots
of
reasons,
but
one
of
them
is
because
I
think
that
I
think
we
need
to
take
the
institutional
master
planning
for
each
college
and
university
and
we
need
to
really
look
at
like
their
housing,
their
housing
goals
where
their
students
are
living.
We
have
the
data
and
and
start
really
having
much
more
robust
conversations
about
what
is
in
their
master
plan,
and
I
think
until
we
start
doing
that
with
some
expectation
we're
not
going
to
see
real
improvement.
B
We
have,
we
have
seen
colleges
and
universities
build
more
dormitories,
but
that
pipeline
too
has
slowed.
So
I
think
we
need
to
start
having
some
very
honest
conversations
with
them.
You
mentioned
lab
space
and
we
right
now-
and
I
will
have
this
information
soon.
We
are
working
with
the
bpda
and
the
mapc
metropolitan
area
planning
council
on
new
population
projections
and
part
of
those
projections
have
got
to
take
into
affect
the
the
proliferation
of
new
lab
space
and
what
that
is
going
to
do
to
our
population
and
what
income
are
those
folks
going
to
have?
B
Not
everybody,
working
in
a
lab
is
is,
is
making
high
salaries.
So
we
need
to
incorporate
that
into
our
our
new
population
projections.
We're
hoping
to
have
that
soon,
and
I
can
share
that
with
you
as
soon
as
we
have
it,
the
the
investor,
the
investor
is
buying
our
housing
stock.
It's
now
it's
becoming
a
national
phenomenon.
We've
had
it
for
a
long
time
here
that
investors
buy
our
multi-family
properties
that
were
once
would
house
extended
families.
B
So,
as
you
know,
we
were
working
with
the
austin
brighton
cdc
on
a
program
where
they
would
purchase
properties.
They
would
put
a
deed
restriction
of
homeowner
of
owner
occupancy
on
them
and
they
would
they
would
turn
around
and
sell
for
a
slight
discount,
and
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
grow
this
program
and
take
more
units
out
of
the
speculative
market.
G
H
H
H
Good
morning,
madam
chair
good
morning,
members
of
the
council,
for
the
record,
my
name-
is
joel
wollam
chief
of
staff
at
the
boston
housing
authority,
always
good
to
be
back
here
counselor.
I
know
that
you're
so
involved
with
our
the
public
housing
in
your
district
and
we're
always
appreciative
of
the
partnership
and
the
first,
the
first
date
that
comes
to
mind.
H
I
know
that
we're
have
a
meeting
on
the
books
with
you
and
the
rep
for
the
area
for
early
june
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
planning
process
forward,
but
I
do
want
to
just
give
a
little
background
for
some
colleagues
on
on
the
council.
Briefly,
so
fano
gardens
is
one
of
our
state
public
housing
sites.
H
It's
a
really
wonderful
community,
we're.
We
have
different
resources
and
options
available
to
our
state
and
federal
public
housing
properties.
We've
been
looking
at
opportunities
to
help
modernize
some
of
our
state
portfolio
and
faneuil
is,
is
one
that
is
likely
right
for
that
in
discussion
with
the
tenant
association,
their
bha
move
forward,
with
the
initial
planning
grant
and
some
some
conceptual
modeling
with
with
the
hcd
and
then
subsequently,
with
the
tenants
tenant
leadership
on
the
selection
committee
did
put
out
an
rfp
looking
for
development
services
for
that
area.
H
For
that
development,
the
the
community
sort
of
public
planning
process
for
that
has
not
fully
kicked
off,
although,
as
noted,
the
tenants
have
been
involved
from
jump
in
in
terms
of
helping
to
select-
and
I
know
from
participating
in
those
meetings
that
part
of
what
they
were
looking
for
in
in
in
the
nonprofit
developer,
that
was
selected
was
really
that
they
didn't
come
in
with
a
fully
like
baked
plan,
a
number
of
units
or
or
anything
else
there,
but
really
came
in
and
said
we're
gonna,
listen
to
the
people
who
live
here
today
about
how
you
wanna
see
as
we
move
forward
and
modernize
the
units
so
counselor,
thanks
for
and
that
I
know
you're
familiar
with.
H
I
do
wanna
just
for
the,
for
the
full
body
share
a
little
information.
I
think
we
we
can
expect
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
that
we
will
have
in
order
to,
I
think,
more
more
official
meetings,
of
course,
with
the
elected
delegation
and
the
tenants
from
the
area
kicking
off
early
june,
and
that
and
and
from
there
open
up
a
more
public
planning
process
simultaneously,
we
do
have
bha
did
put
in
a
funding
application
to
the
dhcd
we're
in
dialogue
about
that
there's
not
a
result
there.
H
I
think
that
would
ultimately
somewhat
impact
the
timing
as
well
as
feedback
we
get
from
when
we
open
it
up,
but
I
think
within
this
calendar
year
you
would
see
a
more
public
planning
process
commence,
so
I'll
stop
there
and
just
see
if
there's
any
other
specific
questions
that
I
can
answer
with.
My
brief.
G
Time
here
I
appreciate
that
joel
was
good
to
have
an
update
and
I
think,
working
with
the
tenants,
association
and
and
envisioning
what
they'd
like
to
see.
It
is
a
wonderful
community
over
there
and
I
hope
that
we
can
improve
their
housing
situation
because
it
is
pretty
challenging
not
having
hot
water.
Sometimes
it's
not
not
fun,
so
they're.
Really,
it's
really
is
a
project.
That's
got
some
urgency
and
I
hope
we
can
move
it
forward
in
a
timely
way.
H
Yes-
and
I-
and
I
did
just
want
to
say
it's
a
site
that
we're
we're
over
all
the
time
dealing
with
for
the
you
know
the
the
boilers
and
things
and
such
it,
it's
it's
a
site
that
has
underground
store,
it's
it's
one
of
the
dirtiest
and
most
outdated.
I
think
heating
systems
generally,
and
so
it
you
know
in
in
addition
to
modernizing
the
units
that
are
there
for
residents.
H
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
members
of
the
administration
for
being
here
and
for
all
of
your
work
on
what
is
a
very
difficult
issue,
which
is
how
do
we
make
sure
we
house
everyone
in
the
city
of
boston?
I
want
to
piggyback
off
of
a
question
that
counselor
that
president
flynn
was
asking
about
acquisition
opportunity
program.
I
also
think
that
it's
a
really
incredible
program.
I
My
understanding
is
that
under
aop
we
can
subsidize
about
75
000
dollars
per
unit
and
there's
case-by-case
variation
where
we
would
subsidize
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
per
unit,
but
that
still
requires
you
know
if
we're
talking
about
non-profit
buyers,
if
we're
talking
about
community
land
trust,
there's
still
that
really
big
gap
of
capital
to
really
compete
with
the
speculative
market,
and
so
I'm
wondering
and
also
we
don't
have
really
good
data
in
terms
of
like
the
number
of
units
that
have
been
preserved
on
the
aop
and
at
what
amis
and
what
are
the
demographics
really
of
those
who
have
been
you
know,
who's
had
who've
had
their
you
know
their
housing
protected
and
whose
housing
we've
been
able
to
stabilize
and
was
wondering
if
we
have.
I
If
we
could
have
that
information
of
that
data
see,
rick
may
have
it
so
we'd
be
glad
to
hear
it
and
to
think
about
like
what?
If
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
is
provide
further
sustainable
funding
for
aop,
can
we
do
that
and
and
what
will
be
the
source
of
funding
for
that.
C
Thanks
yeah,
we
have,
you,
know
lots
of
data
on
aop.
We
have
lots
of
data
on
all
of
our
programs,
just
a
very
high
level.
I
can
tell
you
that,
so
far,
since
the
program's
inception,
we
have
awarded
62
million
dollars
to
the
aop
program.
45
of
that
has
already
been
committed
to
projects
for
acquisitions.
C
With
that
funding,
we've
we've
supported
the
acquisition
of
68
buildings
and
684
restricted
units
across
the
city.
So
it's
just
been
a
you
know,
wildly
successful
program
in
the
first
allocation
of
a
of
arpa
funding
that
the
city
council
approved
last
year,
we
got,
I
think,
20
million
dollars
for
aop
that
that's
in
process
right
now.
That's
part
of
what
sheila
talked
about
during
her
presentation
earlier
and
there's
additional
funding
in
the
arpa
request
that
will
be
before
the
counselor
box
committee
soon.
C
So
you
know
like
shilla
said-
and
this
has
just
been
it's
a
amazing
program-
everybody
loves
the
program.
It's
working
very
well,
but
as
far
as
more
detailed
breakdowns
we
can.
We
can
provide
that
too
yeah.
I
B
Yeah
we'll
get
that
we,
we
certainly
house
and
continue
to
house
anyone
who
is
living
there
in
the
building
at
the
you
know
the
time
of
the
acquisition.
I
think,
though,
it's
I
will
get
you
the
information
on
the
affordability
levels
for
any
vacant
units
or
units
that
we
anticipate
turning
over.
We
can
get
that
for
you.
I
Thank
you.
I
also
know
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
has
done
really
great
work.
You
know,
I
think
there
was
that
morton
village
example
of
where
we
were
able
to
help.
You
know
tenants.
A
a
private
buyer
ensure
rent
affordability.
I
was
running.
Are
we
able?
Are
there
more
models
of
us
being
able
to
do
that?
If
you
know
how
are
we
supporting
tenant
associations
that
are
really
trying
to
do
that?
Work.
B
So
we
do
through
see
our
partner
cdac.
We
do
have
the
btop
program
that
we
fund
and
they
give
money
to
tenant
organizers,
to
actually
organize
buildings,
because
we
don't
have
the
staff
capacity
to
actually,
you
know
go
and
door
knock,
but
we
attend
a
lot
of
tenant
meetings
and
and
certainly
support
them.
B
I
think
as
many
it
we
need
to
continue
to
fund
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
funding
sources
for
organizing
efforts
and
then
with
the
hope
that
those
organizing
efforts
end
up
with
the
tenants
being
able
to
stay
in
their
homes
and
have
someone
purchase
them
and
convert
to
long-term
affordability.
B
We
were
very
excited
in
the
last
legislative
session
that
that
we
passed
topa
tenant
opportunity
purchase.
We
all
worked
on
it.
We
were
very
excited
that
you
know
if
a
building
was
being
sold
and
it
was
occupied.
Tenants
had
a
right
to
purchase
their
building.
It
was
one
of
the
happiest
days
of
my
work,
my
professional
life
and
the
governor
vetoed
it.
So
now
it's
it's
again
at
the
state
legislature
and
we're
hoping
for
passage
this
time.
B
B
I
Another
question
is
about
the
housing
stability
notification
act,
which
is
body
passed,
something
that
I
care
deeply
about,
and
I
know
danielle
and
many
others
care
deeply
about
is
how
do
we
really
prevent
displacement
on
the
front
end
from
that
point
of
your
landlord
informing
you
that
they
want
you
out
a
lot
of
people
to
interpret
that
as
oh.
I
must
leave
without
realizing
what
their
like
legal
rights
are
to
really
fight
an
eviction.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
We
can
definitely
get
the
data
for
you
on
that,
but
it
has
been
clear
that
that
program
has
been
beneficial.
We've
been
able
to
avert
evictions
by
getting
this
information
reaching
out
to
tenant
and
landlord
through
our
various
programs.
We
have
a
mediation
program
where
landlords
and
tenant
can
have
a
conversation.
Is
that.
J
Where
landlord
and
tenant
can
have
a
conversation
well
before
you
even
get
to
the
summary
process,
housing
court
action
and
being
able
to
communicate
with
landlords
to
see
exactly
what
it
is
that
they
need.
If
it's
rental
assistance,
we
can
provide
that
for
them.
If
it
is
condition
issues,
we
can
also
step
in
and
assist
with
that
so
being
able
to
actually
see
these
notices
to
quit
that
come
in.
We
can
also
see
if
they're,
actually
legit
in
terms
of
legal
action.
J
You
know
there
are
certain
requirements
that
are
supposed
to
be
on
notices
to
quit,
so
we're
able
to
confer
with
landlords
on
that
before
they
even
get
to
housing
court,
and
even
if
we
do
get
to
the
housing
court
stage,
we
do
have
a
housing
court
navigator
program
where
we
are
again
able
to
step
in
and
see
how
we
can
utilize
any
type
of
financial
assistance
or
other
types
of
resources.
I
Great,
I'm
just
curious
what
you
think
the
gap
still
are,
because
I
just
I
still
get
calls
from
my
office
to
my
office
from
people
like.
I
have
to
leave
my
landlord's
telling
me
and
they
don't
have
to
leave
so
if
there's
an
information,
a
communication
gap.
What
like?
What?
What
more
do
we
have
to
do
to
to
spread?
The
word
to
folks.
J
Correct-
and
I
agree
there
is
in
addition
to
the
information
gap,
there's
a
digital
divide,
so
a
lot
of
our
information
is
online
and
we're
having
to
reach
out
to
tenants.
You
know
going
to
where
the
tenants
are
meeting
tenants
where
they
are
that's
something
that
our
office
is
currently
working
on
doing,
but
also
making
sure
that
landlords
are
aware
of
their
responsibilities
as
landlords.
So
we've
recently
started
a
small
landlord
workshop.
J
I
A
related
question
is
in
the
mayor's
office.
I
saw
on
this
in
the
deck
that
one
of
the
mayor's
office
housing
housing
is
one
of
the
top
users
of
the
language
line
is
curious.
What
capacity
building
you're
doing
internally
to
make
sure
that
that
language
ability
exists,
that
language
diversity
can
which
can
help
close
communication
gaps?
I
What
are
we
doing
internally?
Both
you
know
we
could
also
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
build
capacity.
In
terms
of
you
know,
diverse
workers
and
moh.
I
care
about
that
as
well
care.
You
know
with
who
are
contracting
like
to
know.
It
says
I
think
it
says
out
of
the
51
active
contracts
37
percent
are
mwbes,
are
those
like
the
small
contracts
like
what
does
that
tend
to
look
like
who
are
they?
I
So
you
know
I
care
a
lot
about
the
language
access
question,
because
I
think
it
is,
I
think
I
I
think
that's
a
big
gap
of
who
we
miss
when
we're
talking
about
undocumented
folks,
we're
talking
about
our
immigrant
communities,
who
don't
know
their
rights
when
it
comes
to
their
tendencies
and
who
face
displacement
at
higher
rates.
J
Again
agreed,
we
have
a
great
team
where
we
can
send
translation
services
to
them
to
make
sure
any
materials
that
we
are
sending
out
are
in
the
language
to
the
community
that
we're
trying
to
reach
whether
it's
the
haitian
community,
whether
it's
a
spanish
community,
we're
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
any
information
that
we
are
disseminating,
that
our
constituents
have
access
to
that
information.
J
I
A
K
You
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
chief
dylan,
in
your
team.
You
have
helped
our
team
place
homeless
families
on
several
occasions
already,
so
I
do
want
to
shout
out
to
your
team.
Also.
The
mayor's
office,
k-40
and
food
justice
have
all
been
very
helpful
and
responsive.
K
As
you
know,
you
get
here
into
this
job
and
you
get
all
sorts
of
calls.
Some
are
to
plant
a
tree
and
others
are
a
mom
calling
that
she
has
nowhere
to
sleep
that
night
or
we've
gotten
calls
and
you've
been
very
helpful
around
families
who
are
placed
in
housing,
but
the
housing
is
subpar
or
you
know,
there's
rats
and
no
food.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
we'll
continue
to
work
together.
On
that
I
have
a
couple
questions
and
then
a
couple
statements.
K
My
team
attends
weekly,
the
nubian
square
task
force
meeting
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
come
up.
There
are
they're
seeing
more
displacement
from
the
atkins
street
area
and
I
don't
want
to
spend
any
time
talking
about
those
who
we've
already
placed,
because
I
know
we've
talked
about
that.
But
is
there
a
plan
in
place
as
we
see
a
need
for
more
housing
there?
K
Also
as
a
member
of
the
boston
commission,
on
ending
homelessness
and
as
a
bps
teacher,
I
do
know
for
over
20
years
how
traumatic
and
it
is
when
and
disruptive
for
children
if
their
family
is
struggling
struggling
with
home
security,
and
if
you
could
speak
to
the
challenges
we
face
there
and
if
your
thoughts
on,
if
we
have
effective
plans
in
place
now
or
what
more
we
can
do
as
a
council
to
advocate
for
more
supports
there,
president
flynn
did
touch
on
it.
K
So
I
don't
want
to
reiterate,
but
I'm
thanking
him
for
bringing
up
the
veterans.
We've
gotten
several
calls,
particularly
around
african-american
veterans,
and
if
there
are
any
special
housing
supports
for
them
special
in
the
sense
I
mean
they
deserve
it,
they're
veteran,
so
I
don't
mean
extra.
If
you
could
speak
to
that
and
happy
to
see
the
investment
and
grow
boston,
we
know
that
those
who
suffer
from
home
and
security
often
suffer
from
food
insecurity
and
healthy
food
is
so
important
for
their
well-being,
mental
health
and
all.
So.
K
B
Let
me
see
if
I
can
take
off
some
answers
in
anything.
You
feel
you
want
more.
We
can
certainly
get
you
more
information,
agree
that
there
are
folks
leaving
the
mass
cass
area
and
and
making
their
way
to
the
nubian
that
that
whole
stretch
we
are
talking.
Excuse
me.
We
are
talking
to
our
non-profit
partners
right
now,
especially
pine
street,
who
has
like
a
one
of
the
best
street
ouch
programs.
You
know,
probably
in
the
country
about
expanding
we.
They
because
of
you
know,
there's
never
enough.
B
They
go
to
areas
where
there's
hot
spots,
but
we
do
need
to.
I
think
we
need
to
find
funding
for
them
to
really
grow
their
street
outreach.
Now
the
street
outreach
is
done
not
just
making
sure
people
are
safe,
but
they're
also
working
with
them
on
housing
solutions.
So
those
conversations
are
happening
right
now.
It's
something
the
mayor
is
very
supportive.
B
We
really
do
need
better
street
outreach
for
our
homeless
populations
throughout
the
city
every
single
corner,
so
I
can
report
back
on
that
very
soon
agree
about
homeless
families
in
their
bps
there's
nothing
more
disruptive
than
a
child
in
school
than
homelessness.
Data
shows
that
we
know
it.
We
know
it
in
our
hearts
right.
B
The
bps
was
doing
a
great
job
in
the
last
year
when
they
were
able
to
secure
more
housing
vouchers
from
hud,
and
they
made
them
available
to
pbs
families
that
were
homeless
or
housing
insecure
at
our
public
schools,
love
to
think
about
how
to
grow
that
and
continue
that
program,
especially
with
the
increase
in
city
vouchers
that
we're
we're
asking
for
in
this.
B
In
this
in
this
budget,
there
there's
so
many
families
that
either
need
a
voucher
or
they
need
access
to
an
affordable
housing
unit
and
they're,
both
in
short
supply
and
even
if
we
can
help
them
sustain
or
pay
the
rent
in
a
market
rate
unit.
Some
of
those
rents
are
just
beyond
what
what
a
family
can
pay.
So
I
would
say
we
need
to
continue
really
reaching
out
through
the
bps
schools
and
making
vouchers
available
and
additional
affordable
housing
with
supports.
B
Last
year
we
were
able
to
house
120
homeless
veterans,
which
is
great.
We
still
have
some
unique
resources
for
that
population.
B
The
shelters
continue
to
and
folks
working
in
the
street
continue
to
identify
veterans
that
are
in
shelter
and
really
hook
them
up
with
very
specific
resources.
The
numbers
in
shelter
because
of
this
work
is
pretty
low,
which
is
really
good
news.
We
are
very
one
is
too
many,
but
we
have
fewer
homeless
veterans
than
we
ever
have
in
the
history
of
this.
B
B
So
moore
street,
certainly
more
street
outreach
continuing
to
work
very
close
with
bps
on
our
homeless,
families
that
are
in
the
school
system
and
continuing
to
be
very,
very
vigilant
with
our
homeless
vets
and
making
sure
that
they're
either
accessing
vash
vouchers
resources.
We
have,
through
our
veterans,
commission
or
the
vets
housing
we've
been
able
to
build.
K
One
of
the
things
rob
often
tells
me
rob
santiago
is
we
have
the
best
supports
for
our
veterans,
but
so
many
of
our
veterans
don't
know
or
are
aware
of
them,
so
we
definitely
have
to
do
a
better
job.
Outreaching.
All
of
them
agree.
B
We
have
improved
our
relationship
with
the
va
over
the
over
the
last
several
years.
They
are,
they
make
the
recommendation
on
who
gets
a
vash
voucher,
so
it's
it's
their.
They
administer
the
program
and
they
provide
the
names,
for
the
vouchers
are
gold
right.
You,
you
get
a
rental
subsidy
for
for
life,
so
we've
been
now
able
to
meet
with
them
on
a
very
regular
basis
and
identify
boston
residents
that
are
in
our
shelters
or
that
are
very
unstable.
C
Yeah
counselor,
it
is
a
little
confusing
so
moh
we
actually
own
and
maintain
the
strand
theater,
and
we
work
with
the
mike
maker's
office
of
arts
and
culture
on
the
programming
for
the
theater.
It's
donald
team.
His
staff
is
actually
the
folks
who
maintain
it.
So
we
we
put
in
the
request
for
the
repairs
and
that's
why
it's
in
our
budget.
I.
K
D
K
D
Exterior
doors
and
that's
by
finding
some,
you
know
some
youth
in
our
summer
program
through
success
length,
and
then
you
look
at
the
work
that
was
done
and
so
what
the
pride
the
levels
these
kids
can
go
by
every
day
and
say
you
know
I
was
a
part
of
that.
The
globe
even
had
written
a
story
on
it.
So,
but
we
we
manage
it
really
well.
D
Through
its
highs
and
lows,
we
continuously
work
with
the
programming
staff
there
to
make
sure
that
they
can
continue
operations
without
interruption,
but
there
are
some
major
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
the
strand
and
to
that
point
I've
been
making
that
request
for
a
little
while
and
we
were
so,
you
know
we
were
looking
for
an
owner
operator
of
the
strand
as
you
as
you're.
D
Well
aware,
and
and
so
you
you
have
to
sort
of
manage,
you
know,
projects
with
kid
gloves,
but
making
sure
that
programming
you
know,
persist
and
go
forward.
That's
the
the
main
goal
there.
Thank.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
panel
shout
out
to
chief
dylan,
will
donald
julio
shana
and
john
oh
great
team,
always
being
responsive
and
collaborative.
I
appreciate
you
know
your
assistance.
L
One
question
is,
I
have
is
around
senior
home
repair.
We
know
that
senior
home
repair
uses
hud
funding
and
therefore
it's
not
accessible
to
seniors
with
their
home
in
a
trust.
Have
we
explored
any
other
funding
streams
that
we
can
make
sure
that
it's
able
to
be
available
for
seniors
to
have
their
home
in
a
trust.
B
M
Good
morning
counselors,
my
name
is
richard
o'brien,
I'm
the
associate
deputy
for
the
boston
home
center
specific
to
your
question.
Counselor
trusts.
Our
problem,
because
of
we
have
to
hud's
requirement,
is
that
we
establish
ownership
and
once
we've
established
ownership,
we
have
to
income
qualify.
The
owners
so
trusts
make
that
a
little
complicated.
M
We
are
able
to,
in
some
instances,
substitute
the
funding
source
right.
So
we'll
use
2030
money
if,
if
possible-
and
in
other
instances,
for
example,
the
senior
save
program,
because
the
funding
for
the
grant
doesn't
come
from
hud,
the
cdbg
funding,
we're
able
to
allow
the
grant
to
go
forward
in
the
senior
save
program,
which
is
a
very
substantial
number.
M
So
those
are
the
funding
constraints.
We
work
with
it's
further
constrained
when
it
comes
to
cdbg.
In
that
we
have
to
apply
the
title
10,
let's
save
housing
rule.
So
when
you
go
into
a
senior's
home
who
may
have
30
40
50
years
of
deferred
maintenance
and
they
want
to
do
the
kitchen
or
the
bathroom-
and
we
need
to
tell
them
because
of
the
lead,
safe
housing
rule,
they
need
to
empty
every
closet
in
their
house
and
we
have
to
inspect
every
painted
surface
in
the
house.
M
It's
difficult
it's
conflicting
at
times,
so
we
do
in
those
cases,
grant
those,
let's
say:
housing
roll
costs
when
it's
impossible
to
go
forward
empty
all
the
closets
inspect.
All
the
paint
will
look
to
then
substitute
the
funding
source
when
funds
are
available
when
alternative
funds
are
available,
it's
a
case-by-case
basis.
It's
challenging.
L
Awesome
and
then
other
questions
for
the
home
center.
I
know
a
lot
of
the
applications
are
done
by
paper
and
it's
sometimes
hard
to
track.
When
you
know,
applicants
are
calling
in
to
the
home
center.
Have
we
explored
using
a
portal
so
that
way
applicants
can
upload
their
docs
there's.
Also
a
lot
of
information.
I
think
it's
like
w-9s
tax
papers,
a
whole
packets
of
information.
M
There's
a
multitude
of
ways
for
an
application
to
find
its
way
to
us,
chiefly
for
the
seniors,
is
through
the
non-profit
agencies
that
we
have
under
contract,
the
four
nonprofits
around
the
city,
the
goal
being
that
that
extends
our
reach
into
those
sub
neighborhoods,
where
people
might
feel
more
comfortable
with
esac
kick
clock.
Nowhere,
that's
for
seniors,
they're,
most
comfortable
with
that
that
handwritten
application
there
does
exist
a
an
online
application
process
which
we
see
more
often
with
homeworks.
M
But
you
know
we
quite
frankly
during
you
know,
kobit
we
had
a
lot
of
paper
moving
around
and
people
were
working
at
home
and
that
presented
a
little
bit
of
challenge
with
through
that
now
we
have
a
lot
of
new
staff.
We've
tracked
down.
All
of
those
applications
made
sure
that
they're
in
salesforce
and
we're
we're
capable
to
answer
questions
on
any
specific
application
should
should
that
happen.
L
And
then
I
get
this
question
might
be
for
the
chief
chief
and
thank
you.
B
L
Sorry
go
ahead.
Back
in
december,
the
mayor
announced
the
start
of
an
audit
of
all
city
property.
Can
you
update
us
on
the
status
yeah.
B
Yeah,
so
the
bpda
they,
the
mayor,
asked
the
bpda
to
look
at
what
mayor's
office
of
housing
owned.
The
bpda
owned
schools,
the
bha
and
they
are
very
close
to
having
that
done
and
then
prioritizing
actions
around
it.
So
I
think
you'll
have
something
I
would
say
within
the
next
several
weeks.
Oh
awesome.
L
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor,
wait!
N
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
chief
dylan
and
all
the
members
of
the
cabinet
and
the
directors
for
being
here
today.
I
have
a
few
questions.
I
let's
see.
Where
do
I
start
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
most
concerned
about-
and
this
is
this
is
less
of
a
question,
but
I
want
to
start
off
with
this.
O
We
haven't
received
those
answers
yet,
and
I
think
for
me,
it's
been
difficult
to
kind
of
gauge
whether
or
not
we're
making
proper
investments
with
this
budget
without
knowing
what
the
need
is
for
the
people
that
are
in
the
city.
Obviously,
you
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
so,
a
timeline
for
when
connect
for
when
we
can
expect
those
numbers
would
be
sufficient
from
from
our
office
and
for
for
the
committee.
So
I
just
wanted
to
start
with
that
from
the
selected
performance
goals
that
you
have
on
the
budget.
O
Two
only
two
out
of
the
seven
are
related
to
stabilizing
renters
and
we
are
a
majority
renter
city,
which
means
that
most
of
the
work
that's
happening
in
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
is
ultimately
happening,
is
stabilizing
homeowners
and
making
homeownership
more
accessible,
which
is
great,
but
I
don't
think
it's
responding
to
the
need
that
we
have
right
now.
Can
you
share
a
little
bit
about
how
you
decided
on
the
goals
that
were
presented
in
your
narrative.
B
I
know
that
we've
we've
got
production
goals,
we
have
goals
to
increase
the
percentages
of
home
ownership
in
the
city.
We
we
certainly
are
very,
very
focused
on
making
sure
that
our
eviction
numbers
are
are
lower,
and
that
is
really
one
of
the
the
benchmarks
that
that
we
use.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
trying
to
follow
exactly
what
you
mean
by
the
goals.
Sorry.
O
At
the
beginning
of
the
narrative
there
are
for
the
cabinet,
you
have
selected
performance
goals,
there
are
seven
of
them,
one
of
them
under
real
estate
management
and
sales,
and
then
the
other
six
under
housing,
development
and
services.
B
B
They're,
I
think
they're
they're,
more
statements
and
actual
goals
with
metrics,
but
I'd
be
glad
to
as
a
follow-up,
and
I
will
get
you
the
information
on
waitlist
by
the
end
of
the
week.
I
will,
as
a
as
a
follow-up,
give
you
much
more
specific
goals
and
actions
that
we
plan
on
taking
in
this
year
this
fiscal
year
on
on
our
renter
population.
B
O
And
so
in
the
vein
of
production
goals,
I
see
here
that
you
have
a
number
of
low-income
units
permitted
right
for
deed,
restricted
and
idps,
548
and
the
number
of
middle-income
housing
units
permitted
deed,
restricted
and
market
as
14
19..
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
how
many
public
housing
units
are
we
building
this
year
and
how
many
units
of
affordable
housing
at
30
to
60
ami
are
being
built
this
year,
and
so
I'm
curious,
which
one
of
these
numbers
will
fall
under
there
or
if
any
of
these
numbers
answer.
My
question.
B
B
Okay,
I
do
have
it
great
so
last
year
of
the
1400
units
that
were
permitted,
32
percent
or
462
were
would
be
made
available
to
households
making
less
than
30
percent
of
ami
and
then
30
to
60
ami
with
361..
B
Now
most
of
the
more
middle
income
units
were
created
through
the
inclusionary
development
program,
which
I
know
that
you're
very,
very
interested
in
as
we
are
looking
at
that
policy
to
see
if
there
we
can
require
going
forward
deeper
affordability
with
that
program,
but
the
vast
majority
of
of
projects
that
we're
funding
are
under
60
ami.
H
My
apologies
next
time
I
won't
go
far
counselor
good
morning,
so
I
love
that
question.
I
think
so.
I
think
what
makes
sense
probably
to
inform
the
inquiry
is
a
couple
of
things.
We
can
talk
about
and
get
more
detail
on,
bha's
federal
capital
plan,
which
probably
gets
the
most
in
information
on
that.
But
what
I
do
also
want
to
talk
about
are
a
couple
of
things.
H
One
is
that
one
of
the
things
that
this
budget
does
on
the
capital
side-
that
was
in
one
slide,
as
you
know,
is
put
huge
preservation
resources.
I
think
that,
because
if
we
were
starting
from
every
unit
is
new,
I
would
absolutely
say:
that's
that's
the
first
question
you
should
go
to.
I
think
we're
starting
with
the
portfolio
that
has
a
billion
and
a
half
in
capital
backlog,
and
this
administration
has
put
forward
capital
investment
in
the
housing
authority
that
is
essentially
equivalent
to
what
we
got
through
the
entire
entire.
H
O
H
I
think
that
that's
probably
correct
we,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
say
two
things:
real
quick
timer
acknowledged.
We
likely
have
units
some
a
handful
units
offline
that
we're
bringing
back
online
whether
you
want
you
may
not
call
that
a
new
unit
it
is
creating
another
housing
opportunity
doesn't
exist
right
now.
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
and
credit
to
the
council
could
in
councilor
bach,
of
course,
has
brought
a
lot
to
us
in
terms
of
utilizing.
H
Our
authority
under
the
fair
cloth
limit,
we're
very
much
in
a
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
with
a
limited
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
bring
in
the
federal
resources
as
much
as
possible.
This
includes
figuring
out
how
to
cost
effectively
deploy
federal
subsidy.
H
So
we
will
be
issuing
an
rfp
related
to
that
fair
cloth
authority
to
try
to
get
at
some
other
strategies.
We've
look.
We
looked
at
one
option:
didn't
pan
out
we're
gonna,
look
at
a
couple
of
other
ways
to
try
to
do
exactly
what
you
just
said,
which
is
bring
that
federal
operating
subsidy
online.
So
that's
it's
a
bigger
topic,
but
we're
we
are
moving
with
another
request
for
proposals,
for
I
think
kind
of
consulting
services.
To
get
at
that,
I.
O
Look
forward
to
you
coming
to
our
hearing
chair.
How
much
time
do
I
have
less
than
two
minutes?
Okay,
beautiful!
Thank
you!
So
much
okay.
So
I
am
the
chair
of
both
the
housing
and
the
environmental
justice
committee
here
on
the
city
council,
and
there
are
all
the
obviously
overlapping
issues
there.
So
my
two
next
questions
are
going
to
be
focused
on
that.
So
most
of
our
carbon
emissions
we
know
come
from
buildings
and
transportation.
O
What
investments
are
we
making
in
the
budget
to
retrofit
public
housing
buildings
to
green
standards?
I'm
assuming
that
that
is
part
of
the
preservation
part
of
the
preservation
money
that
joel
just
outlined?
Sorry,
joel
that
you
got
all
the
way
up
there,
and
my
second
question
is
that
we
are
looking
at
issues
of
green
gentrification
in
our
office
and
on
the
housing
committee
and
your
office
is
making
an
incredible
amount
of
investment
in
new,
affordable
housing
across
the
city.
B
So
I
will
say
just
a
couple
of
comments
on
that
before
I
asked
joel
about
yeah,
please
the
bha,
but
all
new
construction,
starting
at
the
last
rfp.
We
are
requiring
developers
to
develop
carbon
neutral
buildings.
That's
really
important,
we're
also
being
very
mindful
that
they
are
within
walking
distance
to
good,
rapid
transit
and
you
know
reducing
parking,
but
they
do
need
to
be
carbon
neutral
if
they
want
to
get
funding
from
us
joel.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
the
agreement.
H
I
wouldn't
dare,
but
so,
and
so
there
and
there's
there's
really
there's
there's
two
aspects
to
this.
I
think
that
there's
the
the
I
do
think
the
capital
investments
that
were
laid
out
for
both
haley
and
and
for
a
number
of
other
sites
will
help
in
this
area.
H
They
are
preservation,
as
noted,
and
specifically,
I
think
that
that
so
the
numbers,
as
you
know,
that
the
numbers
on
haley
52
million
the
other
other
sites
33
the
the
elements
of
that
which
really
are
for
I
think
emissions
reductions
are
elements
that
are
helping
also
address
indoor
air
quality
issues.
Things
like
improving,
you
know
the
addressing
the
ventilation
and
windows
of
those
properties,
I
think,
will
also
increase
efficiency,
so
we're
ex
you
know
really
trying
to
make
investments
that
both
help
with
healthy
housing
as
well
as
meeting
our
emissions
reductions.
H
I
know
that
the
mayor's
office
is
also
putting
forward,
and
I
think
I'll
have
to
tip
back
to
either
moh
or
or
for
the
subsequent
environment
hearing
on
that,
but
I
know
that
there
are
also
efforts
to
provide
some
resources
for
retrofitting
buildings
separate
from
any
bha
specific
investment.
H
But
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
we
are
the
housing
authority.
Is
you
know,
we're
an
external
energy
we're
a
large
landlord?
We
are
subject
to
to
the
the
birdo
ordinance?
I'm
not.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
is
pleased,
I'm
pleased.
I
was
here
to
help
pass
the
first
one,
so
I
I'm
thrilled
about
that.
H
But
we
are
very
much
focused
on
thinking
about
how
to
reduce
emissions
there
through
combinations
of
investments
and
really
having
to
align
our
capital
planning,
as
well
as
any
rfps
we
put
out,
for
you,
know
external
partners
to
be
in
line
with
the
city,
the
the
city
goals
and
requirements.
So
leave
that
for
there
I.
O
B
I
think
I
don't
have
any
I
I
don't
know
if
part
of
our
review
is
looking
at
like
climate
resilient
locations,
you
did
mention
green
gentrification
and
one
thing
we
are
proposing.
I
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
the
on
the
the
first
question,
the
the
question
or
the
comment
around
green
gentrification
and
we're
certainly
concerned
about
transportation
improvements
and
associated
gentrification,
which
we've
really
seen
happen
in
somerville
and
cambridge.
B
With
the
extension
of
the
green
line,
we
are
proposing
that
the
arpa
fund
that
some
of
the
arpa
funding,
while
we
love
aop,
and
we
want
to
do
it
in
every
corner
of
the
city-
we
want
to
take
units
out
of
the
speculative
market.
We
do
want
to
be
very
intentional
about
looking
where
we,
where
we
really
may
see
an
escalation
in
value
because
of
improvements.
I
hadn't
thought
about
green
gentrification,
but
we
should
actually
think
about
that
as
well
and
maybe
expand
the
definition
with
the
arpa
investments.
N
Thanks
so
much
madam
chair
and
thanks
so
much
to
moh
and
ofig
for
being
here,
you
know
I'm
huge
fans
of
your
work
and
bha
as
well.
Joel,
maybe
I'll
pull
you
back
down
for
a
bha
question,
which
is
just
to
basically
dovetail
on
counselor
lara,
and
I
know
something
counselor
louis
john
is
also
very
interested.
In
I
mean
I
do
want
to
see
us
building
new
public
housing,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
there's
one
way
of
looking
at
it.
N
That
says:
yeah
the
bha's
got
this
billion
and
a
half
dollar
backlog.
So
how
are
we
ever
going
to
find
resources
to
create
new
units
there's
another
way
of
looking
at
it?
That
says
we're
doing
new
unit
creation.
How
do
we
use
this
federal
resource
to
buy
down
the
affordability,
especially
given
the
fact
that
you
know
we
are
constantly
talking
about
the
fact
that
so
many
of
our
extremely
low-income
bostonians
are
not
served
by
the
brackets
that
were
able
to
kind
of
pencil
out
on
the
affordable
housing
production
side.
N
So
I
guess
sheila
I
mean
this.
Is
it's
a
question
for
both
you
and
joel?
I
mean
it
still
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
definite
opportunity
here
in
places
we
are
doing
housing
creation
to
use
this,
this
federal
operating
money
that
we're
eligible
for,
especially
with
the
kind
of
conversion
from
public
housing
to
rad,
to
get
new
units
at
that
affordability
level
online.
N
I
also
just
entering
a
few
related
questions
here
I
mean
obviously
when
I
look
at
something
like
the
spending
by
district
percentages
and
see
only
one
percent
of
the
affordable
housing
funds
being
spent
in
district
eight.
It's
super
frustrating
to
me,
and
I
I
mean
I
know
that
land
is
expensive
in
my
district
and
all
that,
but
it
does
feel
like
there's
a
couple
of
really
big
play
opportunities
for
us.
N
I
mean
one
is
obviously
the
west
end
library
and
so
like
I'd
love
a
little
bit
of
update
on
that,
but
also,
I
know
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
looked
at
joel
in
particular
is
is
some
of
the
you
know:
land
that's
owned
in
mission
hill.
Is
that
a
place?
We
could
cite
some
some
of
these
new
public
housing
units
and
those
are
both.
You
know
really
important
priorities
to
me.
H
Thank
you
counselor.
So
we
are.
We
are
working
on
a
couple
of
fronts
and
I
think
the
one
that
I
neglected
to
mention
before
is
when
answering
council
braden's
question
about
faneuil.
H
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
differently
on
that
on
that
particular
rfp
was
invite
proposals
that
actually
would
help
you
utilize
some
of
this
capacity,
so
that,
when
we're
thinking
about
substantial
changes
to
any
site,
that's
one
opportunity-
and
we
did
so-
we
invited
responses
there.
That
would
include
utilizing
some
of
this
capacity,
so
we
have
additional
housing
serving
extremely
low
income
persons.
I
think
that
the
the
westin
library
is
a
tremendous
opportunity,
as
you've
noted.
H
Thank
you
for
being
a
champion
of
this.
It's
something
where
we
are
in
deep
discussion
with
the
city
on.
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
best
identify
when
we,
when
we
have
flagship
projects
that
are
particularly
when
they're
you
know,
when
they're
owned
by
a
different
agency
than
the
bha
right,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
best
to
position
that
resource
so
that
when
to
determine
basically,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
get
the
subs?
How
do
we
deliver
the
subsidy
and
put
it
out
there?
H
So
it's
both
enticing
if
it's
something
that
is
optional,
if
it's
something
that
is
required
for
whomever,
is
actually
constructing
the
units
that
we've
checked
every
box
on
the
federal
guidelines
to
make
sure
that
we
have
followed
all
rules
for
public
competition
that
might
sound
like
I'm
trying
to
be
really
vague
and
bureaucratic.
But
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
bha
would
love
to
figure
out
a
way
to
provide
subsidy
in
that
project,
and
I
think
we
are
working.
H
As
you
know,
we
retain
outside
legal
counsel
for
for
some
special
projects,
and
this
is
one
of
them
where
we're
trying
to
think
through
the
flow
of
subdivision
and
the
way
that
we
can
put
it
out
there,
either
immediately
in
concert
with
the
city
in
sort
of
one
package
or
as
a
separate,
simultaneous
thing
that
then
someone
who
is
a
partner
on
projects
like
the
westin
library
could
respond
to.
So
I
think
that
that's
that's
where
we
are.
H
We've
been
in
some
fairly
recent
conversations
just
to
try
to
find
the
right
path
on
that,
and
I
think
it
is
on
the
bha
to
come
back
to
the
city
and
give
some
suggestions
for
what's
the
appropriate
path
to
proceed
and,
as
noted,
we're
we're
working
on
some
of
the
consulting
services
under
the
prior
authorization.
H
Presently.
I
know
that
so
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
my
colleague,
dr
taylor,
kaine,
is
working
on
that
project
directly
doing
some
great
work
pushing
that
forward.
I
think
the
reason
we
have
we
have
continued
to
move
the
conversation
on
fair
cloth.
I
think
what
we
wanted
to
do
with
the
city's
funds
in
this
is
make
the
best
use
of
it,
and
so
we
tried
to
further
tailor
that
those
consulting
the
scope
of
the
consulting
services
before
that's
been
issued.
H
So,
as
noted,
public
housing
part
sort
of
partnership
projects,
redevelopment
project,
we've
looked
there,
we
are
looking
at
the
public
public
partnerships
like
the
library
separately,
doing
some
on
consulting
services
and,
as
you
may
know,
as
you
do
know,
on
the
the
prior
thing
that
we
found
that
didn't
work
was
just
putting
out
with
like
a
really
low
operating
subsidy.
So
we
did
we,
we
checked
off
one
box
in
terms
of
okay.
H
We
know
what's
not
going
to
work,
we
have
probably
three
three
or
four
other
options
that
we're
looking
at
now.
I
I
think
that
the
the
mission
hill
there
are
there's
still
opportunity
to
mission
hill
parcels,
some
of
the
parcels
we've
looked
at
either.
You
know
conceptually
where
bha
sites
where,
where
density,
could
be
increased,
and
I
think
the
question
there
is
do
we
is
everyone
then
ready
to
go
into
that
sort
of
neighborhood
discussion,
planning,
discussion
and
in
some
cases
I
think
that
that's
not
clear
the
other
cases
are.
H
Some
of
them
are
very
much
open
space
that
is,
are
well
loved,
so
I
think
we
wouldn't
want
to
remove
open
space
from
a
community
unless
there
was
some
kind
of
clarity
that
we
would
be
including
net
increasing
that
in
some
other
partnership.
So
that's
a
long
answer,
but
there's
probably
five
or
six
actually
different
strands
of
this
and
I'm
trying
to
keep
them
all
moving.
N
Great
yeah,
I
I
guess
I
would
just
underscore
that
I
think,
given
the
fact
that
we've
got
about
2
500
public
housing
units
that
we
are
entitled
to
in
the
city,
that
we
don't
have
that.
I
totally
take
your
point
about.
N
Like
you
know,
we
need
neighborhood,
buy-in,
etc,
but
I
feel
like
we
need
to
get
to
the
place
of
like
actually
having
a
plan
and
saying,
okay,
so
with
our
40
000
families
on
the
list,
like
here's,
how
we
could
add
2500
more
units
and
here's
how
we
could
put
them
all
over
the
city
and
have
everybody.
You
know,
and
the
council
understand
this
and
be
on
board
and
kind
of.
N
Instead
of,
I
think
it's
good
to
pick
off
a
first
project
or
two
and
I
we've
got
to
be
able
to
get
over
the
legal
hurdles
on
the
public
public
partnership.
And
I
I
do
understand
from
my
past
bureaucratic
life,
how
complicated
that
can
be.
But
it's
like
we've
got
to
figure
that
out
and
then
we've
got
to
figure
it
out
in
a
way
that
we
can
copy,
because
it
may
be
that
not
all
the
sites
that
we
want
to
do
this
on.
N
N
Legwork,
I'm
already
frustrated
by
the
fact
that
we
are
not
going
to
probably
be
able
to
use
much
of
the
arpa
money
for
execution
on
this
just
because
of
timeline
stuff
and
so
trying
to
figure
out
how
we've
moved
that
forward
would
be
great
and
for
next
time
when
in
the
second
round,
just
so
ofhe
knows
I'm
going
to
ask
about
the
fair
housing
testing
program
and
kind
of
what
the
trajectory
of
that
is.
So
thanks.
So
much
manager.
R
R
I
know
that
my
team
reaches
out
to
you
and
your
staffs
regularly,
and
I
appreciate
your
responsiveness,
your
professionalism
and
care
and
compassion
that
that
you
all
put
forth
for
our
residents,
and
so
it's
truly
appreciated,
and
I
don't
have
to
tell
anyone
in
this
room
that
affordable
housing
is
the
the
biggest
crisis
that
is
facing
our
city
today
and
that
we
are
at
risk
of
becoming
a
city
of
the
very,
very
rich
and
the
very
poor.
R
R
Are
we
doing
anything
to
advocate
for
changes
in
our
city's
ami
so
that
we
can
build
at
a
variety
of
income
levels
to
better
meet
that
to
better
meet
the
needs
of
the
residents
and
and
when
you
see
projects
coming
in
again,
the
very
very
rich
can
afford
a
number
of
those
units
and
then
we're
obviously
trying
to
secure
what
we
can
through
the
city's
programming.
R
But
it's
the
middle
oftentimes,
that's
also
getting
left
out
of
the
equation,
and
we
need
to
sort
of
again
address
all
levels
of
income
if
we
truly
want
to
make
a
city
work
for
everyone.
So
to
that
end,
what?
If
it's-
and
I
guess
probably
sheila-
is
probably
best
suited
for
this.
What
if
it's
a
underway
to
sort
of
address
that
issue?
R
It's
the
issue
that
we
all
deal
with
regularly
and
there's
this
real
tension
in
that,
particularly
in
the
in
in
in
the
community
process,
as
it's
going
through
the
zoning
process
and
you're
going
through
the
community
meetings
that
you
know,
folks
want
housing
built
at
levels
that
that
reflect
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
and
it's
a
variety.
B
There
is
need
across
most
income
bans,
you're,
absolutely
right
and
what
the
market
used
to
be
there
for
many
of
our
middle-income
residents,
and
it
no
longer
is
at
all,
which
is
tragic,
just
a
few
thoughts.
So
the
previous
conversation
there
are
many
low
income,
families
and
and
seniors,
and
we
need
to
figure
out
better
ways
to
building
housing
and
preserving
housing,
but
building
housing
for
really
the
most
vulnerable
among
us
and
amis.
B
We're
just
looking
at
this
in
our
office,
amis,
the
the
the
rent
levels
that
we
get
from
hud
have
gone
up
again.
Not
only
am
is
the
area
median
income,
but
the
boston
median
income
is
going
up
too.
So
we
really
do
need
to
get
very
intentional
about
new
tools
and
how
we
serve
the
the
most
vulnerable.
B
We
are
very
focused,
and
I
think,
on
how
do
we
increase
the
home
ownership
rates
in
this
city
and
that
is
serving
a
more
more
middle-income
population,
so
building
a
lot
more
housing
that
our
families
can
purchase,
not
seniors
to
probably
don't
want
to
purchase,
but
our
that
our
families
can
purchase
and
those
do
have
higher
income
bans
associated
with
those
developments.
B
So
I
think
you
know
new
rental
housing
for
the
for
for
the
lowest
income
among
us,
more
a
lot
more
homeownership
projects
for
for
for
our
middle
income,
families
and
residents,
and
I
think,
with
the
senior
buildings
there
are
some
seniors.
The
vast
majority
are
on
fixed
income,
social
security,
they're,
very
low
income.
There
are
seniors
that
are
still
can't
afford.
The
market
are
being
pushed
out
of
properties
that
they
have
rented
for
decades.
B
We're
seeing
this
in
every
single
neighborhood,
and
it
makes
my
blood
boil
that,
when
buildings
change,
hands,
seniors
that
have
lived
in
these
apartments
for
decades
are
being
asked
to
leave
by
the
new
owner,
and
so
we
do
need.
We
do
need
units
for
that
population,
and
so
most
of
our
most
of
the
new
rental
buildings
for
seniors
have
a
range
of
incomes.
We
need
we
need.
B
I
really
do
believe:
we've
got
to
start
asking
our
development
community
and
I
know
there's
high
development
costs.
But
how
is
the
market
also
responding
to
the
needs
of
our
neighborhoods
and
communities,
because
you
know
there's
always
going
to
be
a
finite
amount
of
resource
that
we
have
so
when
developers
come
into
our
neighborhoods
and
want
to
develop
what
can
they
do
with
those
developments
to
serve
people
that
need
housing
in
those
neighborhoods?
I
just
want
to
keep
saying
it,
but
because
I
think
those
are
the
questions
we
need
to
ask.
R
And
let
us
know
what
we
can
do
to
be
helpful.
Thank
you
one
of
my
favorite
programs.
I've
talked
to
you
a
lot
about
this.
Is
the
oneplus
boston
mortgage
program?
It's
I
wish
we
did
more
of
it
frankly,
but
how
much
was
budgeted
for
the
oneplus
boston
mortgage
program
and
versus
how
much
was
spent
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick,
rapid
fire.
How
many
lenders
are
currently
serving
this
loan
program?
R
How
many
of
the
stash
program
participants
have
been
able
to
buy
a
home
and
in
the
office
of
housing,
stability,
exploring
ways
to
support
landlords?
What
are
we
doing
there?
There
are
a
lot
of
landlords
in
our
city
that
are
renting
below
market
rent,
they're,
doing
the
right
thing
for
their
communities
and
for
folks
in
their
neighborhoods.
However,
a
lot
of
them
are
now
feeling
the
crunch
of
the
rising
property
tax,
as
well
as
cost
of
maintenance
and
repair.
R
If
we
lose
sort
of
that
landlord
that
type
of
landlord
there
are
a
lot
of
them
out
there.
If
we
lose
that,
then
that's
going
to
exacerbate
our
affordable
housing
problem.
What,
if
anything,
can
we
do
on
that
front
to
help
landlords
and
incentivize
landlords
who
are
who
are
renting
below
market
rate.
B
So
a
couple
of
couple
of
things:
I
know
that
there
are
approximately
270
280
stash
participants
right
now
that
we
are
funding
now,
there's
more
participation
that,
but
we
are
that
we
are
actively
working
with
I
want
to
get.
Then
I
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
the
number
of
those
participants
that
I've
actually
bought.
So
I
don't
have
those
at
my
fingertips.
B
We
did
just
lose
sovereign
bank,
which
was
our
largest
participant
they're,
getting
out
of
the
mortgage
business,
which
made
us
all
you
know
unhappy,
but
so,
but
but
let
me
I'll
get
you
that
list
as
well
landlords
that
are,
we
did
try
to
file
legislation.
I
think
in
the
last
session.
Perhaps
that
would
allow
a
tax
benefit
to
landlords
that
are
renting
properties
below
the
fair
market
rent,
and
I
believe
these
these
landlords
are
doing
the
right
thing
and
they
should
get
some
some
relief.
B
It
didn't
advance,
but
that
it
seems
like
that's
where
the
natural
sort
of
like
we
can't
write
them
a
check,
but
it
seems
like
if
they
were
able
to
get
tax
relief,
property,
tax
relief
or
income
tax
relief
for
doing
the
right
thing.
I
thought
that
was
a
very,
very,
very
sane,
same
piece
of
legislation
and
I
think
we
should
look
to
file
it
again.
R
And
just
lastly,
your
idea
on
the
master
plan
for
college
universities.
I
couldn't
agree
more.
I
will
give
you
just
my
opinion
and
experiences
that,
unless
our
colleges
and
universities
we
can
require
them
to
to
to
build
as
much
housing
on
campus
for
their
students,
they
can
actually
even
have
more
housing
than
students,
but
unless
that
housing
is
going
to
be
affordable,
I
live
through
it.
I've
got
four
of
them
going
through
college.
R
They
will
seek
out
every
possible
opportunity
to
find
a
cheaper
unit
to
have
a
little
extra
dough
for
whatever
it
is,
whether
it's
pizza
or
beer
money
or
let's
go
to
the
movies
or
go
to
to
go
to
a
sporting
event.
So
unless
that
housing-
and
that's
maybe
through
our
pilot
leverage
requiring
colleges
and
universities
to
put
more
of
their
student
housing
on
campus,
that's
a
great
concept,
but
unless
it's
affordable,
these
kids
naturally
like
everyone
else,
would
do.
R
J
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council.
Do
you
want
oh
counselor,
I
can
respond
to
the
council's
other
questions
around
the
first
gen
first
generation
home
buyer
max
living
program.
If
that's
okay,.
C
Counselor
you
asked
about
the
funding
for
the
one
plus
boston
program,
so
there's
a
million
dollars
of
city
funding
in
the
annual
budget,
just
like
there
was
last
year
for
the
oneplus
boston
program,
that's
on
top
of
our
normal
kind
of
down
payment
assistance
program.
So
all
in
it's
3.65
million
dollars
for
both
of
those
pots
of
money.
We
also
have
gotten
cpa
funding
in
2020
and
2021
9
million
dollars
that
we're
continuing
to
spend
spend
down
on
the
first
generation
program.
C
I
got
an
update,
I
think,
just
yesterday
the
day
before
that
37
individuals
have
already
purchased
through
the
through
the
status
of
the
first
gen
program.
So
that's
really
very.
T
We
know
that
there
are
thousands
of
city
employees
who
are
really
struggling
to
stay
here
in
the
city
of
boston
and
with
the
boston
jobs,
residency.
That's
one
of
the
requirements
and
we've
heard
from
folks
who
are
working
on
the
front
lines
really
trying
to
maintain
some
have
to
take
on
a
second
job,
just
to
be
able
to
to
stay
here
in
the
city
of
boston.
T
So
I'm
just
curious
if
you
could
just
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
what
are
we
doing
as
a
city
to
provide
more
housing
opportunity
for
city
employees
here
in
boston?
So
that's
one
question
I
can
I'll
just
read
my
questions
and
then
yeah,
then
I'm
sure
you
all
read
the
the
article
in
the
boston
globe
recently
that
so
many
of
our
people
are
being
priced
out
of
the
city
of
boston.
This
is
nothing
new.
We
we
know.
T
If
you
see
the
migration
trends,
brockton
randolph
stoughton,
you
know,
are
taking
our
our
brightest
and
oftentimes.
These
folks
have
to
still
commute
here
to
work
in
the
city
of
boston
and
that
commute-
and
you
know
that
is
also
a
financial
burden
for
a
lot
of
these
families
who
have
been
displaced
due
to
our
inability
to
keep
them
here.
T
So
I'm
just
curious
how,
as
a
city,
are
we
working
to
build
a
new
space
that
reflects
the
investment
that
we
keep
talking
about
in
terms
of
equity
in
terms
of
diversity,
so
our
black
and
brown
folks
can
actually
stay
in
the
city
that
they've
worked
so
hard
to
build,
we're
seeing
a
great
deal
of
new
lap
space
popping
up
all
over
the
city
of
boston.
Everywhere
you
go.
You
know
from
austin
to
charlestown
roxbury
matapan,
but
I'm
just
curious
in
this
particular
instance
that
I'm
going
to
reference
here.
T
There's
a
development
in
brighton.
The
developers
are
building
a
bunch
of
new
lab
space,
but
are
not
building
any
new
housing
and
the
influx
of
workers
into
that
area
are
really
going
to
impact
and
displace
families,
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
council
breeden
is
always
talking
about
this.
So
I'm
just
curious.
T
T
Just
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I'm
curious
about
how
are
we
looking
last
year,
we
fought
for
a
new
line
item
in
the
budget
for
jo
for
jobs
for
19
to
24
year
olds.
These
are
young
people
who
are
aging
out
of
foster
care,
young
people
who
are
transitioning
out
of
dys
young
people
who
are
still
undecided
in
terms
of
what
how
they're
going
to
be
able
to
make
their
ends
meet
here
in
the
city
of
boston.
So
I'm
just
curious.
T
What
are
we
doing
to
support
workforce
development
housing
through
our
taxpayer
dollars
to
support
housing
initiatives
for
for
young
people
who
are
19
to
24
year
olds
and
then
in
the
rental
relief?
You
know
I'm
happy
to
see
that
the
majority
of
those
dollars
went
to
dorchester
roxbury
in
east
boston.
However,
I
am
concerned
about
not
seeing
figures
for
mission
hill
which,
as
we
know,
has
one
of
the
highest
proportions
of
renters
in
the
city
of
boston.
T
So
I
guess
this
question
is
specifically
how
much
of
the
rental
relief
was
spent
there,
and
I
know
we
put
austin
and
brighton
together,
but
alston
has
a
much
higher
proportion
of
renters
than
brighton.
So
I'm
hoping
to
see
the
figures
for
alston
specifically,
and
then
this
is
less
of
a
question
and
more
just
as
as
an
opportunity
for
dialogue
is
that
we
know
that
the
cost
of
rent
is
a
major
burden
for
people
across
the
city
and
the
rental
relief
funds.
T
Help
with
that,
but
often
that
money
is
going
to
the
cities
to
the
city's
renters
and
then
into
the
pockets
of
landlords,
and
so
it
feels
that
sometimes
the
rental
relief
is
helping
the
landlords
above
all.
But
I'm
just
curious,
you
know
what
are
we
doing
to
have
a
holistic
view
around
rental
relief?
That
really
looks
at
helping
mentors
right.
T
How
is,
for
example,
how
is
housing
working
with
the
office
of
food
access,
working
with
the
boston
public
health
commission
and
their
mental
health
and
wellness
team,
or
working
with
workforce
development
and
economic
empowerment?
So
I
just
would
love
to
think
about
rental
relief
as
a
holistic
and
as
as
something
that
is
not
just
about
helping
to
support
our
landlords,
but
also
looking
at
the
whole
renter.
If
you
will
that's
a
lot
so
take
it
like
you
would
another
phone,
you
don't
get
one
piece
at
a
time.
I'm.
B
B
B
So
there's
a
big
focus
in
this
budget,
a
big
focus
in
our
activities
and
certainly
we'll
be
talking
more
to
you
more
about
the
arpa
funding
for
increased
support
for
for
people
that
want
to
buy
a
home
in
boston,
larger
down
payments,
one
plus
boston
on
steroids
and
a
lot
more
product,
that's
affordable.
B
We
need
to
build
more
affordable
homes
for
families
that
want
to
stay.
We
have
been
doing
that
steady.
We
need
to
increase
that
so
so
we
made
an
announcement
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
over
100
million
dollars
being
made
available
through
arpa
and
other
resources
to
support
home
ownership
in
boston
so
more
to
come
on
that,
but
I
I
feel
I
feel
the
need
to.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
buy.
They
want
to
stay,
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
B
It
builds
equity,
so
we
really
need
to
double
down
on
those
efforts
lab
space
you're
right.
There
is
a
lot
of
lab
space
being
developed.
Now
we
are
looking
at
the
linkage
policy
that
would
extract
additional
resources
from
developers
under
certain
conditions
and
we're
looking
at
lab
space
individually.
We're
also
doing
that
analysis
to
see
if
we
can't
extract
more
linkage
for
affordable
housing,
but
I
do
want
to
commend
many
members
on
the
council
that
are
asking
developers
that
are
conformed,
coming
forward
lab
space
to
also
look
at
housing
needs.
So
thank
you
to
everyone.
B
Finally,
I
don't
think
this
answers
your
question
completely
counselor,
but
let
me
just
state,
so
we
are
three
years
into
our
our
plan
to
end
youth
homelessness,
and
that
is
youth
between
the
ages.
I
want
to
say
18
to
24
and
homeless
homelessness
in
that
age
group,
because
of
great
work
of
staff
and
and
the
bha
and
many
of
us
is
down
by
45
percent.
I
want
to
say
lila,
which
is
great.
We
really
have
made
great
strides
in
housing,
our
homeless
young
adults,
which
is
terrific
yeah.
T
So
there's
I
just
want
to
follow
that
thread
really
quick
in
regards
to
young
people.
I
also
know
because
my
mom
had
section
8,
and
you
know
there
are
lots
of
things
that
we
can
also
do
to
help
alleviate
some
of
the
the
way
the
the
protocols
and
procedures
are
set.
T
There
are
young
people
who
need
who
could
stay
with
their
families,
but
because
of
the
you
know,
the
federal
regulations
now
have
to
leave
their
homes
because,
if
not
that's
going
to
impact
their
their
family's
income
ratio
and
so
oftentimes
they're,
they
are
pushed
out
of
those
there's
that
safety
net,
and
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
can
we
do
as
a
city
to
help
support
some
of
the
students
who
are
who
have
vouchers
but
because
now
they're
older.
J
I'll
briefly,
speak
counselor
mejia
regarding
the
rental
relief
fund.
I'm
glad
that
you
asked
the
question
regarding
the
holistic
approach.
That's
something
that
I
think
is
very
important.
When
doing
this
work,
the
rental
relief
fund
also
provides
cash
to
tenants,
which
is
something
that
we
utilize
quite
often,
because
frankly,
there
are
landlords
that
won't
accept
the
the
money,
but
in
terms
of
holistic
approach,
that's
something
that
we're
considering.
J
I
think
it's
important.
You
know
when
you
get
a
tenant
that
comes
in
and
says
they
don't
have
any
source
of
income,
whether
it's
social
security
income
or
food
stamps.
You
know
you
want
to
ask
why
and
also
not
only
aside
from
that,
not
helping
tenants,
navigate
poverty,
but
moving
away
from
that.
So
that's
something
that
our
office
is
really
trying
to
do
and
in
terms
of
issues
spotting
and
listening
to
the
and
asking
the
correct
questions.
So
thank
you
for
that
question
and
happy
to
have
a
continuous
dialogue
with
you
on
that.
T
A
T
Oh
wow,
it's
a
bonus
round.
Thank
you
chair.
I
didn't
know
that.
Okay,
you
get
some
points
for
that,
so
so
I
I
do
want
to
just
kind
of
hear.
Sheila-
and
I
know
kate
is
not
here,
but
there
was
a
very
specific
example
that
brought
this
question
up
around
students
who,
because
of
their
college
credits
that
changes
the
the
dynamics
and
oftentimes.
These
kids
can
stay
at
home
if
we
could
change
the
policy
for
them
to
be
able
to
still
be
under
that
lease.
T
So
can
I
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
here
from
bha,
joel
joel
you,
this
was
probably
before
your
time,
but
if
you
could
speak
to
this
whole
notion
that
once
you
you
know,
you
go
to
college
that
changes
the
family
structure
and
then
also
your
credits
and
the
financial
hardships.
H
Thank
you
counselor.
I
think
so
I
I
I
think
the
basic
the
rest
of
the
matter
is,
as
you
noted,
under
the
federal
so
federal
public
housing
in
federal,
section,
eight
or
federal,
voucher
programs,
we're
required
housing
authorities
required,
or
anyone
who
administrators
administer
section
8
would
be
required
to
count
the
household
income
and
there
are
very
specifically
defined
income
exclusions
and
income
deductions,
and
one
of
the
things
about
a
lot
of
bha
households
is
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
students.
H
When
they
first
go
to
school,
they
might
be
in
or
sorry
when
they're
going
into
sort
of
higher
ed,
they
may
be
community
college
students.
They
may
be
working
some
and
in
school,
some
and
often
don't
qualify
there.
I
think
you
hit
on
the
thrust
of
it,
which
is
that
the
crux
of
it
excuse
me,
which
is,
which
is
that
the
federal
government
right
now
doesn't
give
us
flexibility
there.
We
have
been
trying
to
get
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
in
some
of
our
regulatory
authorities.
H
That
has
not
proved
successful
thus
far,
but
what
I
can
say
is
basically
the
exclusion
the
way
we're
able
to
exclude
income.
I
believe
is
for
full-time
students,
not
part-time,
and
I
think
that
is
typically
where
this
issue
comes
up
because
it
doesn't
match
with
the
population.
We
actually
serve,
certainly
on
section
8,
but
I
think
even
sometimes
even
more
so
I
think
on
the
public
housing
side,
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
T
Yeah
no,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
do
appreciate
the
chair,
giving
us
a
little
bit
of
grace
and
some
extra
time,
and
I
just
would
like
to
underscore
that,
while
the
rental
relief
is
a
big
part
of
the
work
and
support,
you
know
our
office,
and
you
know
this
sheila,
because
we
worked
in
deep
collaboration
with
you
and
kate
and
so
many
other
folks
that
we've
had
to
tap
into
our
own
resources
and
networks
to
set
people
up
for
emergency
housing,
whether
it
be
fleeting
domestic
violence
situations,
just
folks
who
are
waiting
on
the
waiting
list
for
a
bha
or
or
anything
like
that,
and
sometimes
our
elders,
who
are
probably
a
month
away
from
being
qualified
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
housing.
T
A
So
I
just
you
know,
I
just
want
to
preface
my
questions
and
our
conversation
with.
First
of
all,
I
don't
envy
you
like.
This
is
an
extremely
hard
task
and
sheila
chief
dylan
as
graceful
as
you
make.
It
seem
as
easy
as
you
make
it
seem,
it's
I'm
sure
it's
it's
arduous
and
it's
a
lot
and
I
you're
charged
with
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
people
campaign
on.
A
Oh
my
god
with
that
being
said,
I
I
heard
console
box
point
in
terms
of
like
creating
affordable
housing
in
fenway,
for
example,
or
back
bay,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
like
opportunities
with
buildings
that
are
either
empty
or
abandoned,
or
I
don't
know
for
whatever
reason,
loss
of
business,
and
so
there
are
some
opportunities
there
of
exploring
affordable
housing
and
desegregating
boston.
A
So
I
guess
for
me
personally,
like
in
terms
of
building
affordable
units,
or
especially
rental
in
densely
populated
areas
like
roxbury,
is
a
problem
because
we're
looking
at
you
know
a
people
that
advocate
for
housing
and
because
they
are
low
income
and
because
they
are
about
75
renters
in
roxbury.
They
are
highly
concerned
about.
You
know
not
being
pushed
out
right,
they
don't
want
to
be
displaced,
they
are
advocates
and
they
are
very
passionate
about
this
issue.
A
This,
I
think
you
know,
can
lead
people
to
feel
exploited
when
they
are
presented
with
not
opportunities
for
development,
because
then
they
say.
Of
course
you
know
you
pull
on
your
our
heart
strings
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
say
yes,
affordable
housing.
We
deeply
understand
this
issue.
However,
it
is
not
the
responsibility
for
the
poor
people
in
roxbury
to
house
the
unhoused
to
take
on
boston's
burden.
A
We
should
spread
that
out,
and
I
know
you
agree,
and
so
I
would
highly
encourage
your
office
to
include
the
council
in
any
type
of
engagement
and
how
we
can
look
at
opportunities
such
as
the
one
that
council
bach
mentioned,
because
I
think
we
should
spread
it
out.
I
don't
think
that
we
should
continue
to
build
affordable
rental
in
roxbury,
further
impoverishing
those
communities.
A
I
think
that
we
should
increase
in
mixed
income
in
roxbury,
but
to
a
degree
and
then
to
the
point
of
not
taking-
and
I
think
I
heard
joel
say
this-
not
taking
away
green
spaces
or
increasing
in
quality
living
opportunities.
This
means
the
holistic
that
ecosystem
right,
making
sure
that
our
business
districts
are
thriving
and
to
do
that,
we
all
the
efforts
that
you
are
putting
on
the
table
right
so
activating
land
spaces
and
revitalizing,
our
districts,
our
business
districts
and
so
ours.
A
Our
lot
in
roxbury,
I
think,
as
a
district
counselor,
I
think
looks
like
opportunities
for
to
increase
quality
of
life,
whereas
we
get
a
lot
we're
getting
a
lot
of
housing.
So
I
know
that
you
have
some
plans
and
I
I
thank
you
for
lending
me,
your
one
of
your
best.
I've
worked
with
donald
before
inactivating
spaces
in
my
previous
job,
and
I
look
forward
to
more
so
I
say
that
to
just
say:
look
I
my
questions
are
not
going
to
be
obviously
to
hold
anyone
accountable.
A
A
The
number
of
new
units
is
categorized
by
deed,
restricted
and
idp,
low
income
units
and
deed
restricted
in
market
middle
income
units.
Then
this-
and
I
feel
like
this-
continues
sort
of
portrays
this
sort
of
market
units,
market
rate,
units
of
affordable
and
middle
income,
and
so
the
concern
is
like
how
what
is
the?
What
is
the
ami
for
if
there
are
these
restricted
units,
how
many
of
those
are
going
to
be
done
for
next
year
or
the
following,
and
what
are
the
amis?
A
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is:
yes,
we
want
lower
amis,
we
want
them
in
affluent
communities
right,
we
want
to
spread
it
out,
and
then
we
want
opportunities
for
quality
of
life
in
roxbury.
So
how
many
do
you
restrict
the
units?
Have
you
built
in
the
past
three
years
and
what
is
the
goal
for
the
next
year?.
B
Absolutely
the
city-wide
average
of
affordable
housing
is
19.2
percent
of
our
overall
housing
stock
is
affordable,
54
of
housing
stock
in
roxbury
is
affordable,
chinatown
is
50
percent.
The
south
end
is
33
percent
back
bay,
6
beacon,
hill
6
right.
B
So
so,
right
now
in
every
one
of
our
funding
rounds,
we're
prioritizing
projects
that
have
less
than
the
city-wide
average
really
trying
to
say
to
developers
of
affordable
housing,
we're
interested
in
seeing
projects
come
from
throughout
the
city,
but
more
importantly,
project
neighborhoods
that
have
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
that
are
well
below
the
city-wide
average.
So
I
totally
totally
agree
with
you.
This
is
it's
important
for
because
those
communities
need
affordable
housing
and
it's
it.
B
Yes,
just
important
for
so
many
reasons.
So
last
year
and
I'm
looking
at,
I
think
I
had
in
front
of
me.
Last
year
we
had
the
nut.
We
had
we
built
400
units.
They
were
spread
out
more
throughout
the
city.
B
They,
you
know
jamaica
plain,
had
20
percent
roxbury
had
16
percent
of
the
units,
so
it
they
were
spread
more
spread
out,
and
I
think
that
is
in
part,
because
we
are
really
asking
other
areas
to
to
bring
us
projects
where
you
know
of
affordable
housing,
and
we
are
looking
for
we're
looking
for
private
development
too,
in
areas
that
have
just
seen
a
lot
of
affordable
housing.
B
B
That
was
even
before
my
time,
if
that's
possible,
but
it
was
a
third,
a
third
low
income,
a
third
middle
income
and
a
third
market
really
felt
good
to
folks,
and
so
that's
we
use
that
model
in
nubian
and
some
of
the
I
think
it's
also
being
used
on
parcel
three.
So
I
think
that's
an
interesting
approach
and
one
the
community
felt
really
good
about.
B
They
recognize
that
they
need
market
rate
housing
for
people
that
want
to
return
to
roxbury
or
stay
in
roxbury
and
that
have
inc
higher
incomes,
but
they
also
wanted
resources
available
for
families
that
may
be
displaced
or
seniors
that
may
be
displaced.
So
that
is
one
strategy
that
I
think
made
sense
and
one
that
we
adopted
with
the
community
and
and
and
so
far
is
working.
So
you
you
did
ask
what
1400.
A
Units
right
of
that,
what
were
deed,
restricted
and
then.
B
B
So
32
were
below
30
of
ami
25
were
between
30
and
60
percent
ami
there
was
another
30
30
about
in
32
that
were
between
60
and
80
ami.
The
majority
of
those
are
inclusionary
development
units
and
then
a
smattering
above
that,
so
there
was,
you
know
we
do
hear
the
need
for
very
low
income,
so
about
32
percent,
were
very
low
income
and
about
a
third
of
was
more
middle
income.
So.
B
Yeah,
no,
it's
it's
a
great
question.
We
don't
have
a
specific
goal
on
where
we
have
various
funding
sources
that
have
to
be
used
in
certain
ways.
We
do.
We
don't,
though,
have
a
set
goal
of
how
much
in
this
band,
how
much
in
this
band
and
how
much
in
this
band
we
are
certainly
looking
at
the
applications
when
they
come
in
and
we're
making
sure
that
the
new
housing,
that's
being
created
will
serve
a
wide
range
of
households,
but
we
don't
go
into
the
fiscal
year
with
specific
goals.
A
Thank
you,
the
community
that
does
away
with
my
next
three
questions,
but
I
will
move
on
something
else.
The
community
really
feels,
as
in
particularly
d7,
including
south
end,
really
feels
overwhelmed
with
the
process,
the
rfp
processes
and
all
the
meetings
or.
A
And
meetings
and
they
can't
catch
up
to
all
of
them
between
rfps
and
zba
hearings
and
bpda
permits
or
licensing,
they
cannot
catch
up,
and
so
there's
a
real
demand
or
request
from
the
community
to
slow
down
certain
processes
and
allow
them
to
be
able
to
attend
all
of
the
meetings
that
affects
them.
Particularly
roxbury.
B
B
In
fact,
I
would
say
my
staff
isn't
pushing
hard
enough
and
I'm
always
sort
of
saying.
Okay
go
go,
go
so,
but
there,
but
communities
are
also
responding
to
a
lot
of
market
rate
development
and
all
of
the
iags
associated
with
that,
and
then
the
community
meetings
associated
with
that.
So
I
can
see
where
the
bpda
is
probably
scheduling,
meetings,
we're
scheduling,
meetings
and
people
are
like
there's
four
meetings
this
week
and
I
think
zoom's
helping
a
little
bit
because
people
are
more
comfortable,
sometimes
in
their
homes,
but
it
must
be
overwhelming.
B
We
are
not
I'll
come
clean.
We
are
not
sitting
down
with
the
bpda
or
the
zba
saying,
okay,
what
does
what's
happening
in
d7
and
what
is
the
community
calendar
look
like
in
july?
We
should.
We
absolutely
should
so
I'd
be
glad
to
follow
up
on
that.
As
I
think
it's
a
very
very
valid
good
idea,
we
shouldn't
be
overwhelming
communities
because
we
want
the
participation,
I
think
I'll
just
say
for
myself.
A
Thank
you
for
your
transparency
and
honesty.
That
leads
me
to
your
to
your
top
ten
salary
earners
right.
What
what
can
we
do
about
that?
Yeah.
B
So
it's
we
have
worked
really
hard
to
diversify
senior
leadership,
not
just
a
deputy
director
level,
but
all
levels
of
management
at
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
and
bring
in
new
staff
that
are
that
are
there
we
want
them
to
learn,
affordable
housing
want
them
to
learn
to
finance.
We
want
them
to
learn.
You
know
what
we
can
do
to
help
our
residents
and
and
and
promote
them,
there's
a
lot
of
internal
promotions.
B
So
it's
a
lot
of
effort,
we're
very,
very
pleased
that
we've
been
able
to
bring
in
danielle
and
and
others
of
she's,
just
so
talented
in
senior
leadership.
B
What
you're
seeing
on
the
on
the
salary
and
I'm
and
I
I
can
hand
it
over
to
rick
as
well,
that
we
have
long-term
employees
that
are
not
deputy
directors
managing
units,
but
have
been
there
for
very
long
periods
of
time,
so
they
have
higher
pay
than
even
some
of
the
deputies.
So
I
think
you're
seeing
that
reflected.
But
let
me
see
if
rick
wants
to
add
to
that.
C
Yeah,
I
can
point
to
some
of
the
things
that
donald
mentioned
earlier
in
his
part
of
the
presentation
that
we've
done
in
the
past
two
years
to
try
to
recruit
and
attract
people
of
color
into
our
all
of
our
positions,
but
especially
our
leadership
positions.
I
know
I've
been
part
of
hiring
processes
where
we've
really
expanded
outreach.
I
mean
we
have
a
spreadsheet
of
you,
know,
30
organizations
that
we're
reaching
out
to
with
our
job
postings
for
different
organizations
and
job
posting
sites.
C
I
think
it
was
the
other
counselor
asked
about
kind
of
language
access
as
well,
so
we
are
particularly
constituent-facing
positions,
providing
a
preference
for
candidates
who
speak
multiple
languages,
because
we
think
that's
important
as
well
like
in
the
office
of
housing,
stability
in
the
bus
and
home
center,
but
particularly
in
the
leadership.
I
don't
think
we've
ever
done
this
level
of
outreach
before
not
just
posting
jobs
on
linkedin,
which
is
the
kind
of
the
city's
normal
practice,
but
going
going
well
beyond
that,
we
did
recently
hire
sheila
mentioned
danielle.
C
A
Thank
you
that's
my
time
I
do
do
we
have
people
signed
on
for
justify
it's
virtual
or
in
person
in
person
right
there.
I
recognize
george.
Please
join
us
who
doesn't
know
george.
A
Thank
you
is
it
afternoon,
good
afternoon,
george,
how
are
you.
A
You
so
much
for
all
of
your
advocacy,
your
emails
and
support.
I
we
love
having
you
here
so
since
you're,
the
only
one
in
person
we'll
allow
you
a
good
three
to
four
minutes
to
testify.
P
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
sharing
this
hearing.
Thank
you
for
all.
The
staff
here
have
been
giving
information
and
all
the
city
councillors
who've
been
asking
questions,
as
you
can
see,
I'm
here
alone.
Unfortunately,
this
is
during
school
time.
So
a
number
of
young
people
really
care
about
affordable
housing.
Folks
will
be
back
on
june,
2nd
during
the
general
hearing,
but
weren't
able
to
come
here
today
to
testify,
and
I
think
in
general,
obviously
like
thousands
of
people
across
the
city
really
care
about
housing.
P
So
it's
unfortunate
that
there's
not
a
this
setting,
isn't
a
great
way
to
engage
folks.
I
wonder
if
there's
other
ways
to
especially
as
we're
moving
toward
participatory
budgeting,
if
there's
ways
to
do
some
more
community
events
to
really
get
a
lot
more
impact
input
on
on
this
issue
and
the
budget,
it's
great
that
mayor
wu
is
adding
a
lot
of
federal
money
for
housing,
but
it's
really
important
that
we
step
up
the
city
portion
of
that.
P
It
looks
like
in
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
the
budget's
a
little
hard
to
understand,
but
the
department
of
housing,
development
and
services,
I
think,
like
36
million,
it
seems
like
that's
kind
of
the
chunk
of
where
city
money
is
for
the
low
income,
rental
subsidies
and
affordable
housing
construction.
P
That
needs
to
be
boosted
up
by
a
lot
more,
but
I
think
to
give
meaningful
input
on
that.
We
really
need
more
information
about
how
that
money,
not
just
let
the
lump
sum
of
all
the
federal
money
and
all
the
idp
money,
but
how's
the
city
money
being
spent,
and
how
can
we
increase
that?
P
How
many
units
are
being
constructed
with
city
money?
What
amis,
how
much
from
aop
with
city
money
is,
is
being
how
many
units
are
being
bought
and
protected
for
all
the
folks
facing
displacement?
The
questions
about
public
housing
in
terms
of
how
how
much
how
many
units
there
are?
How
many
are
in
disrepair?
What's
the
plan
to
repair
them
is
that
in
the
operating
budget,
the
capital
budget
so
and
more
information
on
the
low
income
rental
subsidies?
How
many
people
can
actually
afford
these?
Sixteen?
P
Seventy
percent
ami
units,
especially
with
the
amis
going
up,
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
cdc's
who
manage
affordable
housing,
waiting
lists
that
or
who
are
trying
to
get
people
in
affordable
housing
that
a
lot
of
applicants,
their
applications
are
basically
being
thrown
out
when
they
apply
for
these
1670
ami
units,
because
they
don't
have
vouchers
and
they
can't
afford
them,
because
they
don't
make
that
much.
So
we
need
kind
of
information,
more
detailed
information
on
and
how
the
budget
works.
P
It's
great
that
you
are
asking
all
these
questions
about
all
the
different
programs,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
one
of
your
key
responsibilities
is
going
to
be
to
say:
we
want
x
million
in
the
budget
for
housing
and
to
make
that
decision.
You
all
need
that
information
on
on
what
millions
are
there
already
and
what
they're
being
used
and
then
to
match
that
up
with
community
need
who's,
cost
burdened
who's
being
displaced.
What
are
the
patterns
based
on
race,
gender,
all
the
demographic
information
waiting
lists
for
public
housing,
affordable
housing?
P
How
much
is
getting
constructed
now
and
it
doesn't
really
meet
the
need?
One
thing
that
feels
really
odd
about
the
the
performance
goals
or
measures.
Is
it
talks
about
market
rate,
middle
income,
affordable
housing,
which
is
indeed
restricted,
and
I
I
mean
there's
just
that's
not
information
about
that,
I'm
a
little
skeptical.
Is
it
like
a
3000
apartment,
dollar
apartment
market
rate,
affordable,
so
just
really
getting
more
information
in
the
budget,
so
we
can
make
decisions.
P
P
The
two
other
things
I
just
want
to
shout
out.
Some
folks
know
that
a
delegation
from
dorchester
not
for
sale
went
to
the
mayor's
office
today
to
deliver
about
700
petition
signatures
to
slow
down
torches,
derby
city.
This
goes
to
the
points
about
you
know
the
process.
You
were
just
talking
about
counselor
anderson
and
all
the
developments
running
through
the
city,
but
that's
a
major
development.
P
That's
unaffordable
and
then
also
folks
are
asking
for
a
five
million
dollar
community
land
trust
fund,
which
stores
all
types
of
housing,
whether
it's
ownership,
rental,
condos,
co-ops,
rent
to
own
commercial
farms,
open
space
as
well
as
50
million
dollars
from
arpa
for
the
acquisition
opportunity
program,
so
that
we
can
really
get
1
000
units
off
the
speculative
market,
not
by
2030
but
by
2026.
So
I'm
sure
there
will
be
more
recommendations
to
come
when
we
get
more
info,
but
those
are
some
that
are
out
there
now.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
george.
I
have
your
questions
and
I'll
send
them
to
the
panel
of
the
sales
manager
administration
and
then
once
I
have
the
answers,
I
can
email
you
back.
Thank
you
all
right.
Do
we
have
renee
and
hillary
ready
on
virtual.
A
A
S
A
You
have
two
minutes
to
testify.
S
Perfect,
so
my
name
is
rene
martones,
I'm
here
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
dudley
street
neighborhood
initiative
and
the
great
boston
community
land
trust
network.
As
you
know,
the
people
of
color
in
boston
face
the
highest
rate
of
eviction
and
displacement,
we're
losing
existing
housing,
because
investors
see
an
opportunity
to
make
money
at
the
expense
of
low-income
families.
Removing
land
and
housing
from
the
market
and
make
them
affordable
in
perpetuity
is
a
critical
and
overlooked
strategy.
S
S
Also,
has
we
heard
like
the
the
the
cap
for
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
it
doesn't
allow
for
us,
like
community
land
trust,
to
compete
with
you
know
like
private
investors,
so
we
are
asking
to
increase
the
the
cap
to
200
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
S
A
I
can
welcome
and
thank
you
for
showing
up
we'd
love,
to
hear
your
testimony.
Q
Great,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
asking
great
questions
and
I'm
representing
maha
today
the
mass,
affordable
housing
alliance-
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
we're-
really
excited
about
the
106
million
dollars
that
the
mayor
has
allocated
for
homeownership,
and
we
want
to
thank
the
council
also
for
being
very
committed
to
that
100
million
dollars.
Q
Q
Maha
has
graduated
over
5
000
home
buyers
in
the
last
couple
of
years
and
they're
having
to
all
leave
the
city,
and
I
think
not
all
of
them.
Many
of
them
are
having
to
leave
the
city
and
to
me,
as
an
organizer,
I've
been
with
maha
over
34
years
now
it's
breaking
my
heart
to
see
the
community
being
busted
up
and
just
dispersing
now.
Q
Q
I
would
like
to
understand
better
the
possibilities
and
limitations
of
a
similar
program
to
aop,
but
for
ownership,
where
we
can
take
ownership
units
and
perhaps
put
them
back
into
use
as
extended
family
housing
like
they
used
to
be
before
the
investors
took
over
to
really
keep
some
of
our
our
hard-working,
really
talented
people
in
the
city.
Q
A
A
Council
braden,
you
have
the
floor.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
G
Yet
you
know
we're
being
asked
right
now.
The
projects
that
are
under
review
are
generating
like
6
000
parking
spots,
so
the
assumption
is
not
only
will
they
build
on
our
limited
amount
of
land,
but
they'll
also
expect
that
their
workforce
is
going
to
be
driving
in
from
the
suburbs
and
that's
not
sustainable,
so
in
austin
and
brighton,
we,
you
know
one
of
our.
G
I
I
raise
it
up
the
flagpole,
I'm
just
going
to
put
this
on
the
record
that
harvard
owns
one
third
of
austin
and
is
poised
to
develop
about
165
acres
of
under
our
undeveloped
land.
Right
now,
in
the
midst
of
our
housing
crisis,
the
residents
of
austin
brighton
want
to
work
with
the
city
and
harvard
to
create
a
vision
and
a
plan
for
a
more
inclusive,
equitable
and
sustainable
neighborhood.
G
I
think
we've
got
this
huge
opportunity
and
that
if
we
fail
to
work
with
harvard
and
harvard
fails
to
work
with
us,
we've
missed
a
huge
opportunity
to
really
develop
a
sustainable,
equitable
and
resilient
neighborhood
that
has
somewhere
for
everyone.
G
We
have
a
high
high,
the
lowest,
the
second,
the
lowest
homeownership
in
the
city
I
think,
along
with
with
mission
hill,
and
that
that,
though,
that
statistic
is
a
direct
result
of
speculative
investment
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
adjoined
to
universities
and
and
medical
medical
facilities
that,
where
investors
can
can
guarantee
good
good
return
on
their
investment
by
buying
up
our
family
homes.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
I
think
I'm
challenging
harvard
to
come
to
the
table
and
work
with
the
city
to
see
what
we
can
do.
G
They
could
do
something
truly
amazing
if
they
work
with
us
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
get
there,
but
it's
it
is
going
to
be
a
process,
and
I
I
really
hope
that
we
will.
We
will
see
the
fruits
of
this
effort
going
forward.
Again,
that's
more
of
a
statement
than
a
question.
I
think
we
just
have
to
keep
pushing
and
the
one
the
one.
The
other
question
I
had
was
really
in
terms
of
your
population
projections
and
your
your
data
analysis.
B
We
have
a
a
handful
of
very,
very
talented
researchers
at
moh,
but
because
population
projections
are
really
complicated
and
you
and
you
do
want
to
get
it
right,
we
work
very
closely
with
the
bpda
and
metropolitan
planning
council.
G
B
Yeah
we
work
with
both
of
those
just
to
to
really
make
sure
our
projections
are
as
as
good
as
they
can
be.
So
it's
a
collaborative
effort,
yeah
one.
G
One
big
challenge
we
have
like
and
we're
actually
working
with
the
donahue
institute
at
umass
to
try
and
see
what
can
be
done
to
correct
the
client.
But
it
seems
like
austin
is
brighton,
olsen,
brighton's,
probably
a
50
55
000
account,
and
and
when
we
talk
to
the
city
demographer
at
bpda,
they
he's
suggesting
that
there's
a
significant
undercount
of
populations
where
english
is
not
their
first
language
and
immigrant
population.
So
I
think
the
the
challenges
of
relying
on
the
set
the
last
census
are
pretty
pretty
significant.
G
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thanks
everyone
for
sticking
through
all
these
questions.
First
question
is
for
director
onooha
regarding
discrimination
and
lending
and
appraisals
we're
talking
about.
You
know,
there's
that
article
that
talked
about
how
everyone's
moving
out,
who
wants
to
be
able
to
buy
a
home
or
black
and
brown
families.
They
also
talked
about
the
discriminatory
practices,
particularly
in
lending
right,
but
we
also
know
that
it
exists
in
appraisals
and
in
almost
every
stage
in
the
home
buying
process.
E
Thank
you,
counselor
louis
jen.
It's
interesting.
You
asked
that
question,
because
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
actually
meeting
about.
As
you
know,
we
are
the
employment.
We
are
the
ones
who
are
implementing
mayor
wu's
affh,
which
is
her
firmly
favorably,
further
and
fair
housing
executive
order,
and
in
doing
that,
one
of
the
things
that
we
of
the
108
goals
that
were
assigned
to
us
or
departments,
even
though
there's
108
assigned
throughout
the
entire
city
to
various
departments,
is
looking
at
appraisals.
E
We
are
in
the
process
of
actually
exploring
who
we're
going
to
use
to
do
that
kind
of
testing
for
us
suffolk
doesn't
specifically
do
that
kind
of
testing,
but
there
are
a
number
of
agencies
that
we've
actually
been
in
looking
up
to
do
that
kind
of
testing
to
do
appraisal
testing
for
this.
For
that
same
exact
reason
and
also
ones
who
are
looking
at
using
to
do
testing
with
banks,
you
know
because
we
do
know
that
redlining
happens
or
it's
just
a
little
bit
more
covert
if
you
will
but
to
answer
your
question.
E
This
is
something
that
we
will
be
doing
in
fy23
and
we
will
have
those
numbers
and
those
the
outcomes
of
that
to
actually
speak
to
the
council.
On
that.
I
Great,
thank
you,
and
you
know,
if
there's
any
information
on
work,
we've
done
in
the
past
in
this
space,
I'd
be
curious
to
we
haven't
done
anything.
I
know
that
it's
mostly
you
know
it's
treated
as
a
federal
issue
and
combat
it,
but
I
think
that
there's
work
for
us
to
do
here.
I
want
to
just
you
know,
talk
a
little
bit
about
affordable
home
ownership,
and
you
know
our
ability
to
make
it
more
available
at
lower
amis.
I
I
think
that
we
can
make
that
a
reality
for
a
lot
of
our
working-class
families,
and
so
first
question
is
under
this
umbrella
is
what
is
the
lowest
cost
on
city-owned
land
that
we're
able
to
create
an
affordable,
homeownership
opportunity,
whether
a
single
unit
detached
or
a
condo?
What
is
the
lowest
production
cost
that
we
have
been
able
to
find.
I
The
cost
to
build-
and,
if
included
in
that
right,
so
we
know
that
the
city
itself,
which
is
another
issue
that
we
can
get
into
right,
doesn't
have
the
legal
authority
necessarily
to
actually
you
know,
be
doing
the
actual
building
right
right,
because
it's
not
a
city
per
a
municipal
purpose.
We
should
we
can
tackle
that
one
hopefully
soon,
but
for
even
if
it's
inclusive
of
the
cost
of
land
and
the
cost
of
production
like
what
is
that
baseline?
So
that?
I
Because
you
hear
you
know
some
developers
say:
oh
well,
we
can't
provide
affordable
home
ownership
at
this
rate,
but
I
think
that
that's,
I
often
think
that's
not
true.
I
think
we
can
be
creating
affordable
home
ownership
at
the
50
mi
right,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
is
up.
What
is
the
lowest
production
cost
that
we've
seen
for
a
unit
that
can
be
inclusive
of
land
costs.
B
Yeah
so
most
I
may
or
may
not
be
answering
your
question,
but
but
if
I'm
not,
then
we
can
certainly
follow
up
and
sit
down
and
do
a
session.
But
most
when
we
put
out
an
rfp
for
our
land,
we
if
it's
affordable
housing
and
we're
subsidizing
them.
The
land
costs
are
a
hundred
dollars
per
parcel
right.
So
it's
not
it's
nominal
and
then
we're
just
looking
for
a
very
high
quality,
construction
and
and
development,
design
and
development.
B
So
right
now
to
develop
an
affordable
nice.
But
you
know
not
luxurious
two-bedroom
condominium
we're
in
the
fours
we're
we're
in
the
mid-fours.
B
That's
the
sale
price,
okay,
that
would
be
the
sale
that
is
okay
and
then,
if
we're
building
a
single
family
and
a
lot
of
our,
what
makes
it
challenging
in
boston.
But
it's
also
a
treat
in
some
ways
is
that
the
neighborhoods
are
so
beautiful
and
the
the
the
properties
the
surrounding
properties
are.
You
know,
sort
of
large
and
stately
that
we
want
what
we
want
to
build
is
we
want
to
fit
in?
B
We
want
to
be
somewhat
contextual,
so
it's
costing
us
just
shy
of
500
thousand
dollars
to
build
a
single-family
home
these
days,
giving
labor
and
the
materials
due
to
labor
the
material
shortages
that
we're
seeing
that
everyone
is
seeing
throughout
the
country
actually
the
world.
So
it's
expensive.
So
we
are
subsidizing
and.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
probably
a
little
less
than
because
we're
always
trying
to
beat
up
and
underwrite
and
try
to
find
economies,
but
it's
hard
so
we're
subsidizing
and
then,
if
we
turn
around
sell
for
250
300
000,
depending
on
interest
rates
right
because
we're
always
looking
at
what
can
a
family
that
makes
this
much
income
purchase.
So
there
is
variables,
what's
your
down
payment?
What's
your
in!
B
What's
the
interest
rate,
which
has
been
creeping
up
slightly,
but
if
you
use
a
one
plus
mortgage
so
we're
we're
subsidizing
these,
like
you,
know:
150
175,
sometimes
200
000
per
unit.
So
that's
why
it's
always.
It's
always
very
helpful.
If
we
can
get
the
state
to
contribute
and
they're
funding,
half
of
that
gap.
I
B
Even
that
number
sounds
low
to
me:
it's
what
we
sell
things
for
in
in
typically
it's
they're
more
and
we
put
out
everything
competitively
right.
So
we
are
looking
at
those
numbers
pretty
closely,
but
I
I'd
be
glad
to
look
at
what
our
development
costs
have
been.
On
average,
like
18
19,
20,
21
22,
we
have
that
data.
We
can
get
that
for
you,
yeah.
I
I
think
that
would
be
great
data.
I
think,
and
then
this
is
a
you
know.
We
are
obviously
in
an
affordability
crisis
and
a
supply
crisis,
and
everyone
wants
everything
now,
as
they
should
right,
because
we
spent
so
much
of
the
last
decade,
building
market
and
luxury
rate
and
not
spend
nearly
the
amount
of
time
or
political
will
necessary
to
build
those
affordable
units.
What
will
be
the
slowest
part
like
in
building,
affordable
home
ownership
and
affordable
rental
opportunities?
Is
it
going
to
be
the
labor?
Is
it
going
to
be
the
construction?
I
B
B
We
need
to
shorten
the
community
process,
and
by
that
I
don't
mean
short
shrift,
the
community's
voice
in
this
at
all.
If
people
know
me,
I
believe
in
community
really
having
a
voice
and
shaping
development
proposals.
B
I
live
for
it,
but
I
think
sometimes
we
have
a
meeting
and
then
we
wait
another
a
month
or
five
weeks
or
six
weeks.
You
know,
so
I
think
we
need
to
shorten
that,
but
still
have
a
very
robust
community
process.
I
think
probably
one
of
our
our
largest
obstacles
will
be
if
we
really
increase
volume.
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't,
and
I'm
not
saying
we
can't
rise
to
the
occasion-
is
a
lot
of
the
developers
that
do
this
work
they're.
B
So
if
we
put
out
dozens
and
dozens
of
rfps
and
very
large
amounts
of
land,
I
think
we're
going
to
see
some
of
our
our
contractors,
especially
our
smaller
contracts,
our
contractors
of
color
start
reaching
capacity.
That
I
think,
is
going
to
be
one
of
our
our
obstacles.
Here
and
what
I
would
I
don't
mind,
good
partnerships
if
they're
meaningful
what
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
happen
is
we
just
then
start
these
opportunities
start
going
to
much
larger
majority,
or
you
know
what
I
mean.
B
A
We
can
wrap
up
after
this
okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
those
prices,
maybe
in
bulk
the
prices,
there's
a
reduction
yep.
So
if
you're
building
200
units
much
different
than
building
just
one
shirt,
absolutely
yeah
all
right
castle
lara
your
turn,
you
have
the
floor.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
have
one
question
about
what
could
be:
maybe
capital
investments
and
then
my
last
four
questions
are
for
fair
housing
and
equity.
So
I'm
a
big
believer
in
diversifying
housing
models.
I
think
that
that's
the
way
that
that
we're
going
to
get
by
particularly
more
democratically
run
housing
models
like
cooperatives
and
community
land
trunks.
O
I-
and
this
is
maybe
piggybacking
off
councillor
mejia's
and
councillor
braden's
question,
because
I
do
think
that
this
could
really
be
an
effective
intervention
for
providing
housing
for
young
people
and
students,
one
housing
cooperative
specifically,
because
they
typically
take
family
housing
and
turn
it
into
rooming
homes.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
any
opportunity
in
our
current
budget
to
invest
in
a
study
to
explore
how
we
can
diversify
housing
models
in
the
city
of
boston.
B
We
we
can,
we
can
find
money
for
that.
There's
I
mean
you
know
so
within
our
budget
or
what
we
have.
We
can
find
money
for
that.
I
too,
you
know.
I
would
like
very
much
to
see
more
cooperatives
happen
in
the
city.
We
just
can't
seem
to
get
so
we
have
money
available,
we
have
land
available
and
but
we
have
to
have
willing
participants
right.
We
have
to
have
developers
or
not
for-profit
or
non-profit,
to
come
forward
and
say
we
like
that
idea.
B
O
B
O
Any
questions
are
for
fair
housing
and
equity,
and
maybe
maybe
they're
not
thank
you
so
much
so.
Do
you
have
a
position
in
your
cabinet
that
is
focused
on
oversight
of
the
management
companies
that
manage
our
public
housing
developments.
O
B
So
we
have
a
compliance
unit
that
every
year
collects
rent
rolls
and
we
study
them.
We
make
sure
that
the
the
the
right
people,
not
the
right
people,
but
that's
the
eligible
households,
are
in
those
units.
So
we
look
at
you
know
vacancy
rates.
We
look
at
incomes,
we
look
at
rents
being
charged
et
cetera,
so
we
do
that
every
single
year
for
any
project
that
we
have
funded.
O
What
about
things
like
the
rules
of
the
building?
Like,
for
example,
I
have
gotten
reports
from
multiple.
You
know:
public
housing
developments
where
the
management
company
will
have
rules
like
you
can't
stand
outside
your
building
or
you're
not
allowed
to
ride
bikes
inside
of
the
housing
development,
and
so
you
know,
in
addition
to
providing
housing
for
people.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
living
dignified
lives
if
they're
living
in
public
housing,
and
so
I'm
really
curious.
O
You
know
the
utilities
inside
you
know
the
washing
machines,
all
of
it
is
sub-par
based
based
on
the
market
rate
and
all
of
those,
and
so
I'm
wondering
how
are
we
making
sure
that
people
who
are
living
in
idp
units
people
who
are
living
in
public
housing
are
not
only
saying
hey?
Here's
an
affordable
roof
over
your
head,
but
they're
also
being
respected
and
living
dignified
lives
in
those
places.
B
So
in
the
idp
units
you
know
the
bpda
is
before
they
start
before.
Development
starts
they're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
issue
the
issue
of
comparability
on
the
affordable
units
and
do
file
and
do
inspections
after
the
property
is
built.
So
that
does
sit
with
the
bpda
as
we
do
get
complaints,
not
complaints.
We
get
calls
from
residents
tenants,
saying
management
is
doing.
This
management
is
doing
that
if
it
feels
like
that
is
that
is
potentially
illegal
or
just
bad
practice.
O
E
I
would
say
that
I'm
very
familiar
with
what
you're
talking
about
counselor
and
it
is
one
of
the
things
that
the
office
of
fair
housing
equity
is
looking
at,
making
sure
that,
especially
as
we
implement
the
affh,
that
is
one
of
the
specific
things
that
we
deal
with
right,
because
we
do
technically
what
happens?
Is
you
have
someone
who
is
in
an
idp
unit
or
an
affordable
unit,
whatever
whatever?
What
have
you
and
they're
not
afforded,
sometimes
the
same
amenities
or
rights?
E
Things
like
that
as
all
the
other
market
tenants
and
that's
a
no-no-
that's
not
good!
So
there
is
things
that
we're
currently
working
on.
That
is
going
to
give
us
the
ability,
god
willing
to
definitely
deal
with
that
and
rectify
those
situations.
Okay,.
O
Thank
you
so
much.
That's
incredibly
helpful,
like
I
mean-
and
I
said
this
before
that,
because
I
live
in
an
idp
unit
in
my
building,
and
so
I've
had
reports
from
because
I
live
in
my
district.
I've
had
my
office
receive
calls
from
people
who
live
in
my
building
because
they
know
that
I
my
address
is
on
the
ballot,
and
so
they
know
that
I
live
there,
and
so
they
will
call
the
people
who
live
in
idp
units
in
my
building
will
reach
out
to
my
office.
O
B
If
I
could
just
add
one
thing,
I
I
think
you
know
we
are
and
you're
you're
well
aware,
because
you're
involved
in
this
work
as
well,
we
are
looking
at
the
idp
policy
across
many
many
factors
right
now
and
I
think,
as
those
issues
have
been
identified,
maybe
we
need
to
examine
the
definition
of
comparability
et
cetera.
So
maybe
this
is
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that
as
well.
N
Great
thanks
so
much
and
add
me,
as
the
team
knows
it
as
a
plus
one
for
cooperatives.
We
have
so
many
me
like
really
actually
quite
large,
to
scale
housing
cooperatives
in
district
eight
and
we
we
need
more
of
them.
They
work
they
stabilize
people,
and
you
know,
I
think
it
was
a
good
first
step
for
us
to
get
the
co-op
training
into
the
curriculum.
N
But
I
think
that
this
question
of
kind
of
like
how
do
we
provide
technical
assistance
and
also
just
kind
of
that
muscle
that
says
this
is
something
we
really
want
to
see.
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
next
frontier
on
that
on
the
fair
housing
testing.
I
was
wondering
if
you
guys
could
walk
us
through.
N
Obviously
this
is
something
where
the
council
supported
some
substantial
new
investments
over
the
last
few
years,
but
I
feel
like
I
don't
really
understand
exactly
where
we
are
in
terms
of
like,
where
we've
kind
of
landed
with
contracting
to
suffolk
versus
in-house
and
whether
I
know
when
we
had
first
funded
it.
We
were
discussing
kind
of
making
sure
the
testing
was
going
to
rotate
through
some
like
different
categories.
Right
like
thinking
about
because
we
know,
for
instance,
there's
a
lot
of
lgbtq
housing
discrimination
along
with
racial
and
along
with
family.
N
And
so
I
I
think
it
would
just
be
good
for
the
council
to
understand
kind
of
where
that's
landed
in
the
budget,
because
it's
been
like
a
series
of
kind
of
like
one-off
investments,
that
we've
supported
through
supplementals
the
last
couple
years
and
yeah
like
what
the
model
is
going
to
be
going
forward.
E
Thank
you
and
I'm
actually
glad
to
share
on
that.
So
testing
has
been
a
really
really
big
hit
in
our
office.
So
one
of
the
things
that's
happening
in
our
first
round.
You
know
in
back
in
july
of
2021,
you
know
there
was
a
globe
article
that
talked
about
race
and
voucher
discrimination
and
race
discrimination
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
so
that's
what
actually
led
us
to
working
with
suffolk
and
bringing
them
on
to
be
the
third
party
tester
for
us.
So
tough.
We
have.
E
We
have
the
data
on
that
and
we
certainly
have
we
out
in
our
first
round.
We
focused
a
lot
on
voucher
and
race
discrimination
which
we
can
easily
provide
numbers
for
that.
But
what
I
guess
I
can
tell
you
that
has
happened
to
date
is
we
have
done
over
100
tests
and
of
those
hundred
tests
that
we
have
conducted
in
the
last?
Well
we're
still
in
fiscal
year,
because
hud
goes
till
you
know
september.
E
But
let's
just
say:
in
the
last
calendar
year
we
have.
We
have
been
able
to
get
over
66
000
in
testing
settlements
from
evidence
that
has
come
in
from
testing
for
discriminatory
practices,
whether
with
landlords
or
with
property
owners
or
real
estate
brokers
or
firms.
Or
what
have
you
so?
The
testing
has
definitely
been
extremely
successful.
E
One
of
the
things
we've
also
excuse
me
been
able
to
do
been
a
long.
One
is
make
sure
that
we
can,
if
anyone
has
any
issues
or
where
we
hear
that
there's
particular
discrimination
happening.
Let's,
for
example,
let's
say
the
seaport
we've
been
able
to
direct
testing
to
that
neighborhood
or
to
that
site,
for
whatever
the
re,
for
whatever
the
protected
class
is
that's
being
discriminated
against,
so
we
have
the
ability
to
create
specific
tests
in
any
specific
neighborhood
for
specific,
protected
classes.
E
You
know
the
first
two
that
we
did
certainly
was
voucher
holders
and
race
discrimination
and
in
this
round
of
testing,
or
we
will
be
doing
a
lot
more
with
disabilities,
public
accommodations
things
of
that
nature.
You
know,
source
of
income
veterans
of
the
counselor
would
like
you
know,
so
we
we
have
a
phenomenal
ability
to
test
just
about
any
protected
class
and
to
test
in
any
neighborhood
across
the
city
of
boston.
N
I
do
think
I
know
the
the
it
was
limited
data,
but
I
think
the
evidence
came
back
that
we
were
seeing
huge
housing
discrimination
against
trans
folks,
and
I
think
I
know
there
was
a
concern
that,
because
it
was
a
small
population,
it
might
get
missed
in
this
and
sort
of
what
we
were
choosing
to
focus
on,
but
that
it
seems,
like
you
know,
substantiating
that
and
kind
of
putting
people
on
notice
that
it's
unacceptable
to
discriminate
against
lgbtq
folks,
and
especially
our
trans
bostonians
is
important.
N
I
also
think
that
I'm
interested
well
in
how
we
can
get
to
the
next
phase
of
really
like
screaming,
to
the
rooftops
that
you
know
that
we're
catching
people
and
that
people
are
paying
fines
and
that
you
really
gotta
shape
up,
because
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
with
testing.
Is
that
that's
really
that's
really
where
it's
sort
of
amplified
impact
happens
is
when
we
have.
You
know
realtors
and
others
who
are
just
like.
N
Oh
damn
the
city's
paying
attention
to
this,
and
that's
really
what
happened
in
seattle
with
their
program
was
that
folks
got
concerned
and
and
sort
of
shaped
up
practices.
So
as
much
as
I
love
to
get
new
information
and
a
hearing
I
sort
of
like
I
want
that
to
be
something
that
we're
all
reading
in
the
paper
and
hearing
about,
so
just
trying
to
think
through
how
how
we'll
spread
the
word
on
that
a
bit.
E
Absolutely
so
so
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
agreements
that
happened
with
that
is
that
we
are
to
draft
a
report
which
we're
in
a
process
of
doing
once
we
complete
the
entire
fiscal
year,
which
ends
in
september
that
we
will
submit
to
everyone.
You
know
one
of
the
agreements
was
to
the
city
council,
which
we've
always
been
like
sure.
We
will
do
that.
The
mayor,
everyone
across
the
board,
so
this
will
be
the
official
report
of
what
testing
is
like
in
boston
right
and
we'll
show
the
results
who
you
know.
E
N
Okay,
all
right,
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
and
more
follow-up
on
that
and
thinking
about
how
we
can
expand
those
resources.
I
know
my
timer
is
going
to
go
off,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
couple
more
things
on
the
record
for
follow-up.
So
one
is
just
grow
boston,
I'm
excited
about
it,
but
I
don't
really
understand
how
it's
substantively
different
from
the
sort
of
portfolio
of
urban
farms
and
community
gardens
that
we've
supported
to
date.
N
So
I
just
would
love
to
understand
like
both
the
operating
commitment
and
any
other
like
what
is
this,
because
it's
a
huge,
hugely
important,
I
think,
but
I
just
don't
understand
how
it's
shifting
and
then
the
damn
it
entered
that
entered
that
and
I
think,
just
in
general,
on
voucher
holders.
You
know
thinking
about
how
we
use
the
data,
we're
getting
on
discrimination
against
voucher
holders
to
think
about
how
to
give
our
developers,
rent
landlords
etc.
N
In
the
city
guidance
on
how
to
not
discriminate
against
voucher
holders
directly
and
indirectly,
I
think
bha
has
done
a
lot
of
assessment
of
what
keeps
people
from
being
able
to
rent
with
vouchers,
and
I
feel
like
we
need
to
go
the
next
step
in
kind
of
telling
people.
This
is
what
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
looks
like
in
terms
of
source
of
income,
and
I
feel
like
we
need
to
probably
draw
those
threads
together
a
little
bit
for
the
industry
to
be
effective.
I.
E
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
things
that
have
been
very
effective
towards
that
is:
we've
worked.
We've
done
over
a
hund,
a
thousand
educational
outreach
sessions
with
excuse
me,
we've
had
over
we've
excuse
me:
we've
had
over
a
thousand
participants.
E
You
know,
we've
been
very
successful
with
working
with
the
greater
boston,
real
estate
board
training,
all
their
members,
I'm
working
directly
with
maha
maha.
Does
the
new
home
buyers
course
we
are
a
consistent
partner
with
them
where
we
any
class
they're
doing
that
they
need.
We
also
do
that
training
as
well
too,
to
provide
new
homeowners
and
landlords
with
fair
housing
training.
E
So
to
date
I
know
we've
had
over
a
thousand
participants
to
teach
just
to
allow
people
to
understand
what
fair
housing
laws
are,
what
the
dues
and
the
don'ts
what
discrimination
looks
like
what
discrimination
looks
like,
especially
with
the
voucher
holders.
One
of
the
things
we
do
is
we
also
surf
the
web
ourselves
right,
we'll
scrub
facebook,
we'll
scrub.
E
What's
this
other
one
craigslist
and
anytime,
we
find
any
ads
that
have
discriminatory
statements
like
they
don't
rent
to
folks
with
section
8
or
things.
Where
excuse
me,
departments
are
not
deleted
right.
We
automatically
take
that
that
becomes
what
is
called
a
commission
initiated
complaint
where
I,
for
the
city
of
boston,
become
the
complainant
and
we
open
up
an
investigation
and
go
right
from
there.
E
Of
course,
sanctions
are
given
out,
they
started
ten
thousand
dollars
and
so
on
and
for
repeat
offenders.
It
gets
higher
and
higher
and
higher.
We
also
assess
compensatory
damages
and
other
damages
as
well,
I'm
just
trying
to
blank
on
another
one.
We
call
it,
but
you
know,
but
this
is
how
it
happens.
A
B
Sorry
about
that,
but
so
we'll
get
over
some
better.
You
know
some
detailed
information,
but
the
office.
You
know
we
in
the
grassroots
program.
We
did
a
lot
of
community
gardens
and
we
did
some
really
important
farms.
Shawnee
fletcher
now,
as
men
made
the
director
her
work
is
unbelievable.
B
Second,
to
none,
she's,
hiring
a
staff
person,
a
project
manager
we're
going
to
take
on
more
projects,
more
community
gardens,
rooftop,
rooftop,
gardens,
she's,
really
working
closely
with
the
food
access,
food
access
and
equity
office,
just
making
sure
that
that
we're
working
with
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
and
individual
individuals
about
raised
beds,
she's.
Looking
at
innovation
like
what
can
we
do
to
really
increase
food
production
in
the
city?
So
there's
like
we've
gone
from
two
things
to
like
five
or
like
five
or
six,
really
important
activities,
more
resource
and
more
staff.
B
But
I'll
get
you
you
know
we
can
get
you
a
better.
You
know
description,
but
it's
it's
got
to
really
take
the
work
to
to
a
much
more
complicated,
many
more
tasks
and
a
lot
more.
N
Fantastic,
thank
you
so
much
and
madam
sheriff
I
can
put
on
the
record
as
an
info
request
to
the
department
as
well.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
the
expiring
use
properties
that
are
on
our
radar
are
because,
as
we're
spending
this
one-time
money-
and
this
will
come
up
in
arpa2.
But
when
we
talk
about
aop
like
I
obviously
have
amy
lowell
apartments
in
the
west
end
that
I'm
super
concerned
about
making
sure
get
extended
for
check
yeah.
N
B
A
Thank
you,
council
flaherty.
You
have
the
floor.
R
R
R
C
Yeah
counselor,
so
the
good
thing
for
for
us
is
that,
even
though
that
was
the
the
the
change
in
the
tax
was
the
impetus
for
us
receiving
additional
funding
for
the
permanent
housing.
There
isn't
actually
a
direct
link
there.
As
far
as
the
budget
goes,
so
we've
been
getting
that
funding
every
year
for
creating
point
in
support
of
housing.
I'm
actually
not.
I
don't
know
my
my
guess
is
that
the
tax
revenue
did
suffer
during
the
during
the
pandemic.
It
must
have,
but
luckily
you
know
the
city
has
maintained
its
commitment.
C
The
mayor
and
the
you
know.
The
city
council
has
maintained
that
commitment
to
providing
the
funding
to
to
for
the
affordable
housing
and
we
are
putting
it
to
use.
That
was
a
big
source
for
the
3368
washington
street
project.
A
lot
of
that
funding.
P
R
Know
him,
I'm
obviously
extremely
excited
as
someone
who's
born
in
public
housing,
that
the
capital
includes
72
million
for
investments
in
the
bha,
which
is
great
shameful
argument.
The
federal
government
has
essentially
walked
away
from
their
responsibility
to
help
stabilize
so
many
individuals,
my
family
included.
So
let
me
know
what
we
can
do
to
be
helpful
here
at
this
level.
I
think
we're
blessed
to
have
congressman
stephen
lynch,
who
also
was
born
in
public
housing,
scratching
and
clawing
down
in
dc
to
get
whatever
he
can
get
now.
R
B
So
right
we
have
200
right
now
that
are
in
process.
We
are
doing
that
analysis
right
now.
We
do
have
a
pipeline.
Most
of
that
most
of
the
our
pipeline
is
on
city
owned
land.
B
We
have
over
500
home
ownership
units
that
that
we,
that
we
know
of
we're
working
with
the
community
or
an
rfp,
has
already
gone
out.
So
we
know
there's
500.
We
have
a
remaining
300
parcels
that
we're
evaluating
right
now
to
see
whether
they
would
be
suitable
for
open
space,
home
ownership
or
something
other.
Sometimes
it's
senior
housing.
If
it's
large
enough-
and
I
mentioned
earlier-
I
think
you
probably
I'll
say
it
again,
though,
that
we
are
now
working
with
the
bpda
much
more
closely
to
come
up
with
a
joint
list.
B
R
And
I
know
we've
talked
about
it
earlier:
the
acquisition
opportunity
program,
given
that
we're
seeing
interest
rates
tick
up,
arguably,
in
sort
of
mid,
maybe
of
the
early
stages
of
recession,
banks
get
skittish
around
then
obviously
sad
to
hear
sovereign
dumping,
their
mortgage
program,
maybe
a
factor,
maybe
not
capital
opportunities,
slow
down.
R
What
thought
I
guess,
does
d
d
give
to
all
of
that
as
it
pertains
to,
if
you
have
capital,
is
now
the
time
to
sort
of
pounce
on
opportunities
whereby
other
folks,
investors
in
particular,
are
now
sort
of
on
the
sidelines,
and
banks
are
now
getting
a
little
bit
more
reticent
as
to
who
they
want
to
back
up
and
and
and
and
commit
to.
Is
this
the
time
now,
where
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
can
sort
of
now
pump
prevent
me,
even
if
we
overpay
for
parcels
or
overpay
for
opportunities?
R
Does
it
make
sense
to
now
sort
of
seize
this
opportunity?
I
know
it's,
you
know
it's
when
things
are
kind
of
bad.
Sometimes
these
are
the
things
that
happen,
but
when
you
think
about
the
work
that
you
do
and
the
people
that
we're
trying
to
help,
this
may
be
the
opportunity
for
acquisition
opportunity
program
to
jump
into
action
more
so
because
the
competition
may
be
a
little
less
than
under
normal
sort
of
economic
circumstances.
So
can
you
share
sort
of
your
thoughts
with
recession
and
also
as
it
pertains
to
when
you're?
R
Looking
at
specific,
you
know
bpda
project
same
thing
with
the
price
of
fuel
and
the
price
of
construction
materials
everything's
going
through
the
roof
because
of
what's
happening
in
the
country
and
beyond,
adding
to
those
costs
and
obviously
a
lens
must
be
given
to
those
factors
as
well.
So
how
do
you
sort
of
size
up
where
we
are
economically
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
you
have
the
ability
to
now
kind
of
do
more
than
maybe
you
would
be
able
to
do
in
a
in
a
good
economy.
B
B
I
am
waiting
and
waiting
and
waiting
for
the
market
to
cool
right
so
like
what
is
it
so
and
if
it,
if
it
cools-
and
I
think
we've
been
pretty
opt.
You
know
opportunistic
in
the
past
that
when
the
market
starts
getting
soft,
we
we
do.
We
do
increase
our
efforts
to
help
people
purchase
and
take
out
of
the
speculative
market.
B
B
What
makes
me
maybe
a
less
optimistic
than
I
should
be
is
that
while
interest
rates
are
going
up
and
it
should
impact
price,
because
there
are
so
many
cash
buyers
out
there-
that
they're
no
longer
as
impacted
by
interest
rates
as
they
once
were.
As
you
know,
our
our
home
buyers
can't
compete
because
with
the
cash
buyers,
nor
can
our
non-profits
and
some
of
our
for-profits
that
are
in
the
affordable
housing
world.
It's
having
it's
hard
for
them
to
compete
too.
B
So
I
I
your
point
is
very
well
taken
that
if
the
market
gets
soft,
we
have
to
see
it
as
an
opportunity.
Sometimes
you
know
we'll
fund
a
project
and
we
will
cringe
at
the
time
right,
we'll
just
cringe
say:
oh,
this
is
so
expensive,
but
it's
key.
It's
located
in
area,
it's
full
of
whatever,
and
then
you
look
back
five
years
later,
you're
saying
that's
the
best
deal,
we've
ever
done
boy.
We
should
have
done
more,
so
I
think
in
boston.
B
B
They
got
all
their
approvals
and
then,
for
whatever
reason,
the
developer
didn't
want
to
go
forward.
We've
had
non-profits
step
in
one
in
west
roxbury,
which
is
great
to
see
affordable
housing
in
west
roxbury,
another
one
in
jp,
a
homeownership
project.
Actually
three
and
there's
another
one
in
fenway,
where
a
non-profit
in
every
case
has
been
a
non-profit,
has
bought
the
the
permitted
project
and
we've
we've
subsidized
and
it's
now
being
converted
to
affordable
housing.
Very.
R
Good,
thank
you
very
much
sheila
and
everyone
here
for
again
your
time
and
talents.
I
appreciate
that
and
just
a
footnote
on
the
video.
I
think
it
was
on
the
slideshow,
where
you
showed
district
2..
I'm
surprised
flynn
didn't
pick
up
on
this,
but
it
says
central
then
dash
south
boston.
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
we
had
chinatown
on
the
south
end
into
that.
I
don't
think
china
sounds
a
great
neighborhood,
as
is
the
south
end.
R
I
don't
think
they
consider
themselves
to
be
central
and
with
respect
to
district
one
I
don't
see
north
end.
Those
are
really
the
only
three
neighborhoods
that
weren't
presented
in
that
slideshow.
So
if
I
could
offer
a
suggestion
to
whoever
creates
the
graph
that
converts
central
to
south
end
and
chinatown
and
district
one,
we
include
the
north
end
all
great
neighborhoods
and
the
only
three
that
weren't
mentioned.
So
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
again,
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
talents
and
your
passion
for
helping
people.
R
A
Thank
you,
counselor
chief.
I
don't
I
don't
know
who
can
answer
this
for
me,
but
what
additional
positions
are
being
created
with
the
1.2
sure.
B
C
So
the
recommended
budget
includes
a
number
of
positions.
There
are
three
positions
in
our
in
the
supportive
housing
division.
Some
of
these
are
some
of
them
are
brand
new
positions.
Some
of
them
are
positions
that
are
currently
funded
by
our
one-time,
covert
funding
that
we
are
requested
and
got
and
got
you
know
included
in
the
recommended
budget
to
retain
once
the
grant
funding
expires.
So
we
were
very
happy
to
see
that,
because
we
know
that
the
need
is
going
to
continue.
C
You
know
long
after
our
funding
runs
out
and
long
after
covet
is
hopefully
behind
us.
So
three
positions
in
our
supportive
housing
division
and
one
of
those
is
specifically
to
focus
on
street
outreach
and
connecting
homeless
individuals
with
with
housing,
two
positions
in
the
office
of
housing,
stability
and
now
again,
both
of
those
are
positions
that
are
currently
on
board,
and
this
will
help
us
allow
us
to
continue
those
those
individuals
which
we're
very
excited
about
two
physicians
in
the
neighborhood
housing
development.
C
Division
to
you
know,
oversee
and
help
manage,
and,
and
one
of
them
is
an
architect
position
to
ensure
that
to
sheila's
point
that
we're
building
housing
that
fits
in
with
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
and
are
meeting
you
know,
good
design,
standards
and
then
a
few
positions
that
are
more
kind
of
back
office
positions.
C
I'll
say
to
look
at
some
of
our
compliance
with
inclusionary
development
policy
linkage
policy,
other
compliance
needs
that
we
have,
and
one
to
address
some
of
our
all
of
the
systems
and
platforms
that
we
have
to
ensure
that
residents
can
interact
with
us.
Virtually.
I
think
I
forget
which
counselor
it
was.
They
talked
about
kind
of
the
portal
for
accessing
our
home
home
ownership
programs,
those
kinds
of
those
kinds
of
council
world
yeah.
Those
are
to
do
those
kinds
of
things
for
us.
A
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
the
efforts
around
you
know,
substance,
abuse
and
just
a
continuum
of
system
of
care
and
service
and
housing.
The
unhoused
in
that
population.
Are
you
able
to
provide
a
copy
of
the
community
of
origin
data.
B
For
for
our
homeless
population,
yes,
we
will
give
you
what
we
have.
I
would
say
it's
self-reported,
it's
always
less
than
perfect,
but
it
is
something
that
the
shelters
and
people
doing
street
outreach
collect.
But
once
again
it's
self-report
and
I
I
think
it,
but
I
think
it
has
utility
so
we'll
get
that
to
you.
A
Thank
you
and
are
you
able?
Are
you?
Are
there
any
efforts
around
collaborating
moh
with
public
safety
with
behavioral
health
or
mental
health
providers,
so
creating
sort
of
some
sort
of?
I
guess
I
always
reference
lisbon,
portugal
for
their
efforts
in
curving
addiction
is
moh.
Looking
at
any
efforts
in
some
sort
of
like
action
plan
or
interventive
or
preventative,
I
guess
it
would
be
an
intervention
program
that
gives
people
an
alternative
to
probation
or
harm
reduction,
type
of
efforts.
B
So
we
will
be
updating
our
our
homeless
plan.
We
had
one
up
until
2018
we're
about
to
we're
about
to
go
public
with
and
they're
really
they're
very
good.
We
stand
by
them.
We
work
really
hard
against
them,
we're
about
to
announce
it
in
2019
the
change
administration
covid.
So
we
have
a
plan
now
that
was
revised
and
we
feel
is
outdated
and
I
think
to
because
some
of
the
things
that
have
happened
that
you
that
you're
raising
mass
has
happened,
right
covet
happened
and
our
homeless
populations
have
changed.
B
The
needs
are
different,
so
I
think
this
year
we
will
be
updating
and
I
would
love
to
see
us
be-
have
strong
collaboration
with
our
criminal
justice
system,
our
mental
health
system,
which
we
work
very
closely
with,
but
I
think
those
could
be
even
strengthened
after
what
we've
been
through.
So
the
answer
is,
yes,
sorry,
I'm
prattling
on,
but
the
answer
is
yes,
we
will
be.
We
will
be
releasing
a
new
plan
this
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
guess
are
there
any
type
of
educational
or
technical
type
of
training
for
communities?
So,
for
example,
I
know
that
most
of
the
community
comes
in
and
everyone
is
already
affected,
so
they
are
charged
with.
You
know,
passion
and,
but
I
think
sometimes
a
lot
of
people
are
not
used
to
the
terminologies
or
the
processes
or
the
protocols
or
policies,
so
they're
not
really
able
to
properly
advocate
as
they
should
or
they
could.
A
Yes,
yes,
development,
understanding.
What
policies
are
in
place,
for
example
like
we
know
that
developers
can't
actually
say
that
the
ami
has
to
be
70.
Bpda
can't
say
that
either
it's
not
a
thing,
but
community
may
not
know
that
so
they'll
come
in
and
they'll
say:
okay,
fine,
I
guess
80
am
I
and
then
they'll?
A
Let
it
go,
but
then
they'll
cry
about
it
right,
like
we
all
cry
about
it
afterwards,
and
so
I
wonder
you
know
if
we
can
create
those
opportunities,
listening
sessions
collaborations
with
counselors,
to
do
listening
sessions
in
their
district
or
at
large
to
educate
the
public.
What
are
the
actual
policies
in
place
right
and
I'm
and
I'm
I'm
sort
of
I
meet
with?
We
have
an
advisory
council
in
district
7..
So
all
the
civic
leaders
meet
with
me
every
single
saturday.
A
I
love
them
to
death,
hopefully
we'll
get
to
like
once
a
month
where
we're
like
really
organized,
but
all
the
aunties
and
uncles
like
they're
like
45
of
them
right.
So
we're
really
gifts,
trying
to
streamline
a
process
that
we
can
deliver
to
bpda
and
how,
then,
how
can
we,
if
one
doesn't
exist?
How
can
we
collaborate
with
you
in
creating
that
educational
series
of
so
that
people
can.
B
Fabulous
fabulous
idea,
and
I
and
I
some
things,
I'm
I'm
remembering
that,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
Maybe
I
dreamt
it,
but
the
bpda
used
to
do
like
learning
sessions
or
workshops
on
the
development
process.
It's
ridiculously
complicated
right,
I
mean
I
and
and
like,
but
but
I
don't
know
if
they
did,
it
was
in
such
a
way
that
I
think
it
was
like
this
is
article
80,
and
this
is
what
but,
but
I
think
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
is:
how
do
we?
B
Let
community
members
know
what
we
what
what
they
can
influence
right.
So
it's
probably
both
it's
like
this
is
development
process,
and
this
is
what
you
can
influence
through
conversation,
and
I
know
when
we
go
out
with
land.
You
know
rfps,
we
do
rfps
all
the
time
we
do
start
we.
We
do
start
by
saying
what
kind
of
input
we're
looking
for
affordable
to
whom
you
know
what
should
this
development?
What
should
the
site
be?
Should
it
be
open
space?
Should
it
be
development?
B
So
I
think
we
we
do
pose
questions
before
our
process
most
of
the
time,
but
I
think
it's
both.
I
think
it's
like
this
is
how
development
happens,
and
this
is
what
we
want
to
hear
from
you
about,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
new.
We
have
a
new
opportunity
with
the
bpda.
You
know
I
soon
to
be
director
jemison,
I've
known
him
for
many
years.
He
this
is.
This
is
in
his
his
dna.
So
I'm
really
excited
that.
B
B
I
no
it's
any
and
he
would
not,
and
he
would
agree
I
mean
that's
part
of
it's.
What
he's
been
doing
his
whole
life,
so
I
think
he
would
love
to
think
through
with
this
body
and
with
us
about
how
to
make
the
development
process
more
accessible
to
to
neighborhoods
and
communities
and
not
so
not
so
frightening.
I
you
know
I've
been
joining
in
my
own
neighborhood.
Lately
I've
been
joining
community
meetings
as
a
citizen,
and
I'm
saying
I
don't
like
that
design
and
and
I'll
hear
my
you
know
my
neighbors
say.
B
A
Yeah
they're
good
part
of
this
is
so
like
if
we
you
and
I
were
going
into
some
partnership-
and
I
wanted-
and
you
know,
and
we
we're
we're
deciding
on
speculate.
You
know
specs
and
we're
saying
you
know
I
want
this,
so
I
want
that
before
that
it
makes
sense
that
we
meet
first
for
a
casual
meeting
to
talk
about
the
overview
right
and
so
by
the
time
the
community
gets
to
the
process
of
engagement.
There
have
there's
been
no,
the
overview
felt
rushed.
A
Could
we
do
that
without
developers
first
and
with
ons,
for
example,
and
sort
of
iron
out
and
making
everyone's
feeling?
Okay,
like
now
we're
going
to
move
into
where's
question
and
answers-
and
I
think
you
know
there's
this
hostility
right
back
and
forth
with
developers
and
developers
are
saying
the
cost
and
they're
saying
something
else,
and
then
the
other
part
is
like
community
benefits
that
you
know.
How
is
that
negotiated
and
what
is
sort
of
one
pipeline
like
one
streamlined
process?
A
What
is
that,
and
so
so
many
so
much
to
do
I
mean
I,
I
can't
wait
to
meet
the
new
chief
and
do
some
work
with
that.
I
yield
the
rest
of
the
questions
and
counselors.
Please.
If
you
have
final
questions
or
remarks,
counselor
lujan
here,
first
and
then,
okay,
okay,
council,
lara.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
had
two
questions
that
I
didn't
think
I
was
going
to
get
to
ask
and
I
sent
to
the
director
through
igr,
but
I
will
speak
them
out
loud
for
the
record.
One
of
them
is
a
question
about.
E
Absolutely,
as
the
former
commissioner
of
housing
at
isd,
I
know
that
one
well.
E
E
You
know
because
they're
very
complaint
driven
and
such
so
I
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
any
stake
in
it
from
a
activist
standpoint.
If
that
makes
sense.
As
for
isd,
we
deal
very
directly
with
isd.
You
know
they
enforce
the
state
sanitary
code,
but
there
are
instances
where
we
have
cases
where
we
need
to
pull
isd's
records
from
the
housing
division
regarding
a
housing
provider,
to
figure
out
some
of
the
things
that
they
may
or
may
not
have
done.
E
That
actually
add
as
evidence
to
or
support
a
claim
of
housing,
discrimination
or
refuted.
You
know,
so
we
work
very
very
closely
with
them.
The
only
and
it's
interesting
we
refer
a
lot
of
constituents
to
them
as
well
too,
because
what
happens
is
oftentimes
when
people
hear
fair
housing,
they're
like
oh
well,
my
lamp
isn't
working
or
am
I
you
know,
smoke
tech
isn't
working
or
my
gas
stove.
That's
not
fair.
E
Let
me
call
these
guys
and
we
have
to
explain
to
them
that
you
know
fair
housing
has
to
deal
directly
a
lot
with
housing
discrimination
and
refer
them
to
isd.
For
that
reason,
or
some
even
at
times
to
the
office
of
housing
stability
as
well
too.
E
So
the
answer
to
your
question
is:
we
do
work
with
them
to
retain
information
for
evidentiary
purposes
and
to
also
refer
constituents
that
have
issues
that
are
housing
issues
that
are
not
discrimination
based
to
them.
O
Okay,
no
further
questions.
B
I'll
just
say
that
it
was
a.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
really
good
hearing.
I
learned
some
things.
We
got
some
new
ideas
that
we
can
follow
up
on,
but
it
was
very
respectful-
and
I
know
you
care
about
this
issue
as
much
as
we
all
do
so.
I
look
forward
to
working
on
follow-up
questions.
We'll
get
them
over
to
you
as
quickly
as
possible
and
look
I
don't
there's
no
one
division
or
one
department
or
one
elected
official,
is
going
to
solve
this
issue.
We're
only
going
to
solve
it
collectively.
E
I
would
just
echo
chief
dylan's
comment
and
say
thank
you
that
I
think
this
was
a
really
good
hearing.
You
certainly
asked
questions
that
I
had
not
thought
about,
or
even
were
very
interested
in
that
it
just
crossed
my
mind.
I
was
like
wow.
That's
that's
really
interesting,
it's
something
to
think
about.
Look
at
you
know,
so
I
guess
I
just
have
to
really
thank
the
council
and
thank
all
of
you
for
this
airing.
I
think
my
colleagues
as
well
too.
A
I
thank
you
for
your
work
for
your
time
for
your
transparency
and
courage
to
coming
in
and
being
so
honest
with
us,
we
look
forward
to
sending
submitting
any
additional
questions.
I'm
sure
there
won't
be
too
many
more
and
the
counselors.
We
have
actually
reserved
dates
for
additional
hearings.
It
is
totally
a
consensus
whether
or
not
we
call
you
back,
but
it
would
be
just
for
an
hour
sort
of
session.