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From YouTube: Government Operations on March 20, 2023
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Government Operations Hearing:
Docket #0138- Ordinance regulating honey bees.
Docket #0139- Text amendment to the Boston Zoning Code with respect to honey bees.
A
B
Good
afternoon
everybody
I'm
Boston
city
council,
Ricardo,
Arroyo
I'm,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
It
is
Monday
March,
20th
2023,
and
we
are
here
today
in
the
ionella
chamber,
for
a
hearing
on
docket0138
an
ordinance
regulating,
honeybees
and
and
docket0139
a
text
Amendment
to
the
Boston
zoning
code
with
respect
to
honeybees
sponsored
by
councilor
counselors,
Ruthie,
Louis,
Jen,
Kenzie,
Bach
and
myself.
This
hearing
is
being
recorded
and
is
being
live
streamed
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
TV
and
on
Xfinity
8
rcn82
FiOS
964.
B
If
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
provide
public
testimony,
they
can
sign
up
at
the
sign-in
sheet
near
the
podium
to
my
left.
Members
of
the
public
may
also
provide
testimony
via
Zoom
or
provide
written
comments
to
the
committee
that
will
be
made
part
of
the
public
record
and
shared
with
all
of
our
counselors
members
of
the
public
should
email,
Christine
O'donnell
at
christine.odonald,
boston.gov.
B
To
request
the
testimony
link
for
public
testimony
via
Zoom
members
of
the
public
can
also
email.
The
committee
email
at
ccc.go
boston.gov
to
provide
written
testimony
I'd
like
to
stress
that
we
need
information
for
people
who
are
providing
public
testimony
via
video
conference,
especially
if
you're
dialing
in
with
a
phone
number
or
if
you
have
an
unrecognizable
username.
Please
make
sure
your
name
appears
on
the
zoom
as
it
does
on
your
request.
To
testify.
B
Docket0138
seeks
to
create
a
new
ordinance
under
chapter
16,
section
1.27
of
the
city
of
Boston
code
for
the
regulation
enforcement
of
keeping
honeybees.
This
ordinance
sets
the
maximum
number
of
hives
on
a
given
lot
or
roof
for
personal
consumption
of
honeybee
products
at
three
and
specifies
the
amount
of
feet
a
hive
can
be
placed
from
in
a
butter,
sidewalk
and
or
roof.
This
ordinance
also
gives
authority
to
the
inspectional
services
department
and
Animal
Control
to
enforce
all
violations
or
exceptions.
Docket
number
0139
is
a
text
Amendment
and
acts
as
a
counterpart
to
docket0138.
B
This
would
give
the
city
of
Boston
the
authority
to
lift
beekeeping
bans
in
every
neighborhood,
while
maintaining
rules
for
beekeepers
to
abide
by
this
hearing
is
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
administration
Advocates
as
well
as
public
testimony
on
the
matter
in
front
of
us
this
afternoon,
as
chair
I'm,
going
to
allow
my
Council
colleagues
to
give
opening
remarks,
we're
going
to
begin
with
the
original
sponsors
which
are
councilor,
Jen
and
Bach.
Councilor
Buck
will
be
joining
us
shortly
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
administration
Advocates,
but
counselor
luigien.
C
You
chair
and
I
just
want
to
thank
before
I
really
dive
in
want
to
thank
The,
Advocates
fellow
High
Park
residents
for
bringing
this
issue
to
my
attention.
It's
an
incredible
privilege
to
be
able
to
represent
the
city
at
large,
and
this
issue
is
a
testament
to
that.
It
was
brought
to
my
attention
in
conjunction
with
state
representative
rep
consalvo,
also
in
High
Park,
as
I
am
and
brought
to
our
children
by
High,
Park
beekeepers.
C
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
administration
for
being
willing
to
to
to
have
this
conversation
and
to
think
about
how
we
make
our
rules
easier
and
more
friendly
to
the
average
resident,
both
in
this
hearing
and
in
the
meetings
that
we've
had
before
this,
and
maybe
the
meetings
that
we
should
have
had
before
this
I.
Just
thank
you
for
your
flexibility
and
and
for
this
conversation
study
after
study
has
found
that
cities
are
not
the
ecological
deserts.
We
think
them
to
be.
C
Rather,
our
city
can
be
and
should
be,
a
robust
environment
for
all
of
us
and
for
all
of
our
living
creatures,
including
bees.
Cities
offer
bees
a
surprisingly
diverse
choice
of
plants
among
Parks
playgrounds,
backyards,
Street
trees
and
medium
strips
and
I
should
say
that
prior
to
this,
I
am
by
no
means
a
bee
expert,
but
a
lot
of
in
in
working
in
partnership
with
our
residents
and
our
constituents
really
learned
about
the
environmental
and
ecological
benefits
of
of
beekeeping.
C
We
know
that
the
city
of
Boston
is
engaging
in
a
growing
Urban
Architectural
agricultural
movement.
That's
turning
empty
lots
and
rooftops
into
productive
landscapes.
Studies
by
our
own
best.
Bees
have
found
that
Urban
bee
hives
actually
have
a
higher
winter
Survivor
rate
and
produce
56
percent
more
honey
than
their
Country
Cousins
over
the
past
few
decades.
Environmental
concerns
have
brought
a
growing
interest
in
how
and
where
our
food
is
produced.
Sustainable
food
movements
have
helped
spawn
a
Renaissance
in
urban
farming
and
beekeeping.
C
When
permitted
by
right,
beekeeping
can
be
a
critical
component
in
the
movement
to
make
cities
Greener.
This
is
a
map
not
sure
folks
can
see
of
our
current
zoning,
where
beekeeping
is
allowed
as
a
right,
which
is
in
very
small
Pockets.
Here
we
see
it
in
West,
Roxbury
pockets
in
Austin,
Brighton,
some
parking
pockets
in
Beacon,
Hill
and
yellow
is
conditional
where
there's
a
conditional
use
again
sparingly
throughout
our
city
in
much
of
our
city.
It's
a
forbidden
use
and
that's.
C
Drinker
I
always
put
honey
in
my
tea
and
realize
the
value
of
local
honey
for
for
those
who
have
allergies
or
other
issues,
while
Urban
beekeeping
practice
are
similar
to
those
in
suburban
and
rural
areas.
Urban
beekeepers
face
unique
challenges
when
it
comes
to
Hive
placement,
human,
slash,
bee
interaction
and
habitat
loss.
The
main
challenge
isn't
the
lack
of
places
to
put
beehives
in
our
cities
but
challenging
the
status
quo
with
space
at
a
premium
in
cities,
it's
often
hard
to
find
ground
level
plots
of
land
that
aren't
aren't
already
in
use.
C
C
This
is
based
on
a
misperception.
The
idea
that
bees
are
autism
are
based
on
this
perception
that
these
are
aggressive
insects,
but
and
cartoons
featuring
swarms
of
angry
bees
chasing
panickers
having
helped
swarming.
Bees,
though,
are
actually
the
least
likely
to
harm
people
when
they
swarm
they've
been
sent
out
with
their
new
Queen
engorged
with
honey,
to
start
a
daughter,
colony
and
are
concerned
with
one
thing:
only
finding
a
safe
place
to
Hive
Urban
environments
are
as
varied
as
the
cities
we
live
in.
They
can
be
cold
or
hot
dry
or
wet.
C
They
can
remain
relatively
constant
or
show
extremes
of
weather
because
of
this
there's
no
one-size-fits-all
approach
to
Urban,
beekeeping
and
so
I'm
excited
for
this
conversation,
because
I
think
we're
all
on
board
on
changes,
and
so
this
is
all
a
discussion
about
how
we
make
those
changes,
bring
those
changes
to
life.
So
again,
thank
you
and
I.
Look
forward
to
this
discussion.
Thank.
B
All
of
those
things
which
then
led
me
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
finding
out
that
from
a
biodiversity
standpoint,
we've
seen
bees
steadily
in
bee
population
steadily
on
decline
in
a
way
that
is
increasingly
alarming
for
the
national
and
international
landscape
of
our
ecosystems
and
our
biodiversity,
and
so
this
is
timely.
In
my
opinion,
this
is
something
that
should
be
done.
I'm
grateful
to
councilor
gen
for
her
leadership
and
bring
this
forward
and
figuring
out
how
to
make
all
the
pieces
fit
together.
B
Look
forward
to
this
and
I
am
grateful
to
the
folks
who
have
made
this
something
that
they
are
fighting
for
here
today
and
every
day,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
to
councilor
Murphy
and
if
councilor
Bob
gets
here,
then
we'll
go
go
to
her
for
an
opening.
Otherwise
we'll
go
to
the
administration.
Council
Murphy.
D
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
lead
sponsor
for
filing
this
I
I
love,
honey
I,
like
these
I've,
never
been
afraid
of
them,
but
I.
Definitely
like
these,
and,
like
my
former
colleagues
Tom
said,
I
I've
always
used
honey
in
my
tea
grew
up
with
honey
around,
but
also
a
frequenter
of
farmers
markets
when
I'm
out
of
the
city,
but
also
all
of
the
farmers
markets.
D
We
have
around
the
city
and
oftentimes
I'm,
buying
a
jar
that
says
like
the
Carlisle,
Farm
or
Cape
Cod
farm,
so
I
would
love
to
be
bringing
home
honey
from
you
know
the
bees
from
Hyde
Park
and
others
so,
but
also
know
that
this
hearing
and
we
have
chrisill
from
ISD
and
the
administration
to
talk
to
us.
I,
also
agree
that
the
rules
should
be
easier,
but
there
must
be
a
reason
or
if
there
isn't,
then
we
can
easily
change
them.
D
E
Thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair
and
my
apologies
for
being
late.
I'm
really
excited
to
be
a
co-sponsor
on
this
and
I'm
grateful
to
counselor
Lou
Jen
for
proposing
it
and
letting
me
join
her.
You
know
bees
are
and,
of
course,
the
chair
as
well.
These
are
kind
of
one
of
those
when
we
see
our
bee
populations
decline.
E
It's
kind
of
a
classic
tragedy
of
the
common
situation
where
everybody
says
like
Geo
would
be
great
if
we
had
pollinators
out
there
and
if
we
had
these,
you
know
robust
ecosystems,
and
yet
no
one
actually
can
make
a
home
for
the
bees.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
see
so
many
residents
like
taking
it
into
their
own
hands
to
help.
E
You
know
that
they've
crossed
every
tee
and
dotted
every
eye
like
I.
Just
think
we
should
make
something,
that's
good
and
a
benefit
to
all
of
us
easier.
So
I
really
appreciate
counselor
huge
on
raising
this
I
have
a
couple
of
times
in
my
life,
been
fortunate
enough
to
live
close
to
somebody
keeping
bees
and
enjoyed
the
honey
that
they've
provided
and
but
also
just
like,
you
know,
enjoyed
the
whole
ecosystem
that
the
bees
are
a
part
of.
So
thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
thank.
B
You,
and
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
members
of
the
administration
who
are
here
today,
Shany
Fletcher,
director
of
grow
Boston
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
Chris
English,
the
chief
of
staff
for
the
inspectional
services
department
for
the
city
of
Boston
floor
is
yours.
If
you
have
any
opening
or
if
you
want
to
go
directly
to
questions,
that's
fine
as
well!
But
if
you
have
any
opening
statements
or
introductions.
F
Thank
you,
chair
Arroyo,
counselor,
illusion
counselor,
Murphy,
councilor
Bach.
My
name
is
Chris
English
I
am
the
chief
of
staff
and
the
assistant
Commissioner
of
plans
and
Zoning
at
the
inspectional
services
department.
Thanks
for
holding
this
hearing
inviting
us
here
today
as
the
department
responsible
for
enforcing
building
sanitary
and
Zoning
codes
in
the
city
of
Boston,
ISD
is
the
primary
city
agency
responsible
for
permitting
the
keeping
of
hives
and
bees.
F
The
department
shares
the
councils
and
the
communities
desire
to
make
beekeeping
more
accessible
and
allowable
and
easier
to
do.
As
we
convene
to
discuss
possible
improvements
to
the
system,
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
provide
a
quick
overview
of
the
current
regulations
and
how
we
permit
that
in
the
city.
F
So
today
accessory
keeping
of
these
is
regulated
under
article
89
of
the
Boston
zoning
code.
This
article
sets
for
dimensional
requirements
and
stipulates
where
beekeeping
is
allowed
conditional
and
forbidden
across
the
city.
It
also
stipulates
the
number
of
highs
hives
and
the
specific
location
on
a
lot
where
they
must
be
located
among
other
requirements.
F
Applicants
must
submit
a
long-form
building,
permit
application
to
change
the
use
and
occupancy
of
their
property
to
include
the
successory
use.
This
application
process
is
significant.
It
includes
a
series
of
documents
that
support
the
application,
including
certified
plot
plans,
site
plans
that
are
stamped
by
a
registered
design,
professional
that
indicate
where,
on
the
property
the
hives
be
located
and
indicate
all
the
dimensional
requirements
related
to
setbacks.
These
applications
are
reviewed
by
isd's
plans,
examiners
for
compliance
with
the
zoning
code
and
the
building
code.
F
Applications
for
beekeeping
that
do
not
meet
the
dimensional
requirements
of
the
zoning
code
or
are
located
in
zoning
sub-districts,
where
it
is
conditional
or
forbidden,
are
issued
a
zoning
code
refusal
letter.
Those
applicants
must
seek
relief
through
the
form
of
a
variant
or
a
conditional
use
permit
from
a
zoning
mode
of
appeal
start
to
finish.
F
So,
as
you
explore
options
for
improving
the
system
and
making
it
more
accessible
allowable
and
easier
to
do,
while
also
maintaining
an
adequate
level
of
safety
which
many
of
you
have
mentioned,
we
are
ready
to
work
very
closely
with
the
council
and
the
community
on
moving
that
forward.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Shawnee
Fletcher
who's,
the
director
of
grow
Boston
for
an
opening
statement,
and
then
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Yet.
G
Pollinators
play
a
critical
role
in
the
ecosystem
overall,
and
our
food
system
specifically
and
honeybees,
are
a
significant
pot
proportion
of
the
population
of
pollinators.
Urban
beekeepers
can
play
an
important
role
in
supporting
the
health
of
the
honeybee
population,
in
addition
to
creating
the
right
circumstances
for
the
production
of
Honey
a
useful
and,
as
we
all
seem
to
agree,
delicious
food
item,
the
creation
of
a
municipal
ordinance
making
beekeeping
allowed,
while
providing
reasonable
restrictions
on
that
activity
will
make
this
important
Agricultural
and
environmental
activity
substantially
more
equitable.
G
Currently
with
beekeeping
restricted
through
the
zoning
code,
very
few
neighbors
neighborhoods
have
beekeeping
as
an
allowed
or
even
conditional
use,
as
Council
illusion,
laid
out.
The
vast
majority
of
the
city,
particularly
neighborhoods,
experiencing
low
food
security
and
environmental
justice.
Disparities
is
currently
forbidden
from
keeping
bees
on
their
property
and
must
go
through
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
In
order
to
do
so.
G
Removing
beekeeping
from
the
zoning
code
and
placing
it
in
the
municipal
code
will
mean
that
many
more
beekeepers,
especially
those
in
low
and
moderate
income
communities
of
color,
will
have
access
to
this
important
activity
and
clear
guidance
on
how
best
to
keep
bees
in
ways
that
are
well
integrated
in
residential
areas
and
favorable
to
residents.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
the
council,
ISD
and
beekeeping
Advocates
to
refine
language
in
the
ordinance
and
Zoning
text
Amendment
and
supporting
the
implementation
of
this
important
legislation,
as
well
as
providing
educational
opportunities
regarding
beekeeping,
as
we
move
forward.
B
C
You
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
again
to
Chris
and
tashani
for
both
being
here
for
Chris
your
work
on
behalf
of
ISD
and
Shawnee
favorite
for
Boston
I
understand
this
is
your
first
time
before
the
city
council
and
you
did
a
terrific
job
with
your
presentation.
Even
got
a
joke
or
two
in
there.
So
well
done
so
Chris
as
you
laid
out
right
now.
Zoning
beekeeping
is
currently
covered
under
article
89
and
the
process
could
be
an
arduous
one.
C
I
show
this
map
that
shows
very
few
places
where
it's
green,
where
it's
an
as
of
right
use
and
as
of
right
makes
it
easy.
You
don't
have
to
check
in
you,
don't
have
to
ask
questions,
you
can
just
go
about
and
do
your
thing,
but
that's
a
very
scanned,
very
few
places
in
the
city
and
because
ISD
regulates,
you
know
the
important
you
know
has
control
over
the
enforcement
of
these
uses.
I
want
to
know.
Have
there
ever
been
any
fines
issued?
C
C
F
So
that's
how
I'm
in
the
zoning
code,
which
he
ISD
is
not
the
author
of
The
zoning
code.
We
are
the
enforcer
of
it,
but
those
dimensional
requirements
are
set
forth
in
the
code
if
they
were
in
a
different
format.
So
if
they
were
authorized
under
a
city
ordinance,
for
example,
an
ISD
was
empowered
to
enforce
the
stipulations
of
that
ordinance
that
it
would
fall
on
ISD
to
continue
enforcing.
C
It
exactly
so
right
now,
it's
within
isd's
prayer
view
within
the
Zone
within
zoning
to
enforce
it
so
moving
it
from
zoning
code
to
municipal
code.
If
a
friend
and
as
it
is
written,
would
maintain
the
ISD
continues
with
enforcement
obligations.
It
changes
a
regulatory
scheme
of
beekeeping,
but
it
doesn't
change
sort
of
where
the
powers
lie
and
makes
it
just
easier
for
our
constituents
would
ISD
have
to
create
exemptions
and
standards
if
they
weren't
enforcing
it.
Through
zoning.
F
C
So
it's
doable
it's
possible
and
we
can
make
it
happen
this
way,
because
I'm
just
of
the
belief
and
I
know
others
are
just
that
we
don't.
Our
zoning
code
is
already
complicated
and
difficult
for
you
know
our
residents
to
understand.
What's
in
the
base
code,
what's
not
in
the
base
code
and
I
think
moving
it
to
Municipal
ordinance
makes
it
a
a
lot
easier
for
our
residents
careers
and,
if
you
don't,
we
can.
F
Generally,
there's
a
couple
options
for
petitioning
the
zoning
commission:
a
party
May
proceed
through
the
bpda
for
a
review
of
a
zoning
code,
amendment
that
goes
before
the
bpda
board
after
a
community
process,
with
a
recommendation
to
pursue
it
before
the
zoning
commission
I.
Believe.
The
council
also
has
the
ability
to
petition
the
zoning
commission
directly
with
an
adopted
order
from
the
body.
F
Tickets
are
interesting.
Many
of
our
ordinances
that
we
are
enforce
involve
a
ticketing
scheme
where
violations
would
result
in
the
department
issuing
out
a
fine
when
we
issue
a
fine
technically
once
that
fund's
paid,
the
violation
is
closed.
Most
of
our
ordinances
or
codes
that
we
regulate
are
remedial
for
enforcement.
So
say
we
get
a
complaint
that
somebody
is
doing
something
without
a
permit.
Our
response
is
to
go
out
inspect
issue,
a
violation
with
an
order
to
apply
for
and
secure
a
permit
to
do
that.
F
C
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
also
appreciate
I
think
it
was
Sean.
You
mentioned
how
it's
important
for
us
to
think
about.
You
know
what
does
this
this?
This
change,
we
hope,
makes
beekeeping
more
Equitable,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
fines,
I
always
think
about.
Oh,
what
are
the
equity
implications
of
that,
and
so
it's
important
to
highlight
the
isd's
intent
here
is
not
to
you
know,
be
going
after
folks
of
the
stick,
but
to
make
sure
that
folks
are
following
the
complying
with
the
law.
C
I
know
we
had
talked
about
permitting
versus
making
this
by
bringing
it
into
Municipal
Code,
which
is
what
we
want
to
do,
is
just
make
it
a
permissible
use
throughout
our
city
and
then,
if
folks
have
or
request
or
need
variances
from
the
standard
that
we
create.
That
should
be
as
wide
net
as
possible
to
capture
as
many
beekeepers
and
to
set
what
we
think
is
a
good
standard.
C
Taking
into
consideration
all
the
concerns
wondering
if
what
your
thoughts
are
from
the
inspectional
services
department,
division
is
in
terms
of
making
it
a
permissible
use
under
municipal
code
and
then
making
you
know,
setting
out
standards.
Clearly
that
adhere
to
the
standards
of
beekeepers
that
we'll
hear
from
soon
and
taking
into
any
into
consideration
the
concerns
of
neighbors
or
public
safety
concerns,
and
only
at
that
point
requiring
variances
whether
your
your
department
would
be
able
to
map
those
out
and
and
what
your
thoughts
are.
That
process
sure.
F
I
think
it's
as
long
as
the
department
is
empowered
to
issue
or
Grant
a
waiver
or
or
some
exemption
to
the
regulations
as
they
are
written
in
the
code.
We
can
do
that.
We
we
did
that
with
the
plastic
bag
band,
ordinance
where
there
was
a
waiver
or
an
extension
process
that
was
built
into
that
ordinance,
that
the
department
could
review
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
then
under
our
discretion
issue
and
approval
or
an
extension.
So
there
is
precedent
form
and-
and
we
can
do
that.
B
H
C
C
C
What
information
do
you
have
or
Discord
Boston
right
now
have
on
the
needs
of
of
beekeepers
in
the
city,
or
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
contributions
that
beekeeping
has
for
our
ecosystem,
our
environmental,
our
invite
for
environmental
justice
for
food
Justice
wondering
if
you
could
just
dig
a
bit
deeper
here
to
see
if
you've
heard
from
those
who
are
practitioners,
our
residents
or
constituents.
Even
if
it's
commercial
beekeepers,
what
what
you
can
tell
us,
what
your
offices
are
yeah.
G
So
and-
and
the
third
thing
would
be
that,
just
in
general,
environmental,
all
kinds
of
environmental
crises,
disproportionately
impact,
low-income
communities
and
communities
of
color,
and
so
you
know,
I
am
familiar
with
the
map
that
you
showed
and
I
don't
know.
If
people
got
to
what
neighbor
were
able
to
see
it
at
home,
but
it's
like
so
almost
the
entire
city
is,
you
know
not
allowed
to
keep
these
right
now
and
the
all
of
the
communities
neighborhoods
in
our
city
that
are
primarily
or
predominantly
communities
of
color,
low-income
communities.
G
It's
almost
entirely
forbidden
beekeeping,
is
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
support,
make
it
more
possible
for
folks
to
be
able
to
participate
in
this
activity
and
in
terms
of
the
conversations
we've
had
with
beekeepers.
I
mean
I
think
there
are
thinking
about
like
the
kinds
of
restrictions
that
are
placed
on
on
beehives
and
placement
of
beehives
there's
very
little.
G
There
are
sort
of
minor
differences
in
what
people
think
makes
sense
in
terms
of
regulations,
but
in
general
people
are
very
I
think
in
agreement
about
a
lot
of
the
basic
restrictions
that
would
make
sense
to
put
in
or
that
are
currently
in
place
and
have
really
good
suggestions
for
improvements.
So
yeah
I
think
our
conversations
have
really
there's
a
really
strong
beekeeping
community
in
Boston
and
I
know
that
they're
gonna
get
a
chance
to
speak
soon,
which
is
great,
and
we
look
forward
to
also
staying
in
conversation
with
them.
C
Awesome,
thank
you
and
just
on
your
point,
Shani
wanna,
you
know
highlight
that
the
you
know,
there's
cities
that
do
things
differently.
You
know
Cambridge
allows
regulating
regulated
beekeeping,
where
it's
allowable
by
right,
but
there
are
still
regulations
that
that
make
it
a
bit
onerous.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
go
down.
E
At
the
same
time,
the
ordinance
would
go
into
effect
with
the
mayor's
signature,
but
the
zoning
Amendment
would,
you
know,
then
need
to
go
to
the
zoning
commission
and
so
there'd
be
like
a
little
bit
of
delay,
but
I
assume
that
once
we
get
an
ordinance
underway,
we
can
kind
of
like
start
the
process
of
implementing
it.
While
we're
waiting
on
that.
Is
that
fair
sure.
F
And
I
think
it
could
be
written
into
the
ordinance
that
it's
effective
upon
adoption
of
a
Zona
code
amendment
to
make
sure
that
those
two
are
locked
up
in.
At
the
same
time,
in
the
interim,
the
department
would
go
through
the
process
of
setting
up
our
administrative
procedures
to
make
sure
that
we
were
prepared
for
implementation.
E
And
you
guys
coming
in
just
being,
you
know,
obviously
like
willing
and
excited
Partners
on
this
kind
of
overall
front
and
and
totally
fine.
If
I
don't
know
Mr
chair
with
the
sort
of
working
session
Etc
plans
are,
but
did
you
guys
have
any
specific,
like
language
change
proposals
that
you
wanted
the
council
to
start
thinking
about
today.
G
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
specific
language
suggestions.
I
mean
I,
know,
there's
certain
areas
that
I'm,
maybe
the
beekeeping
Advocates,
will
speak
to
too,
but
that
I've
spoken
with
them
about
that
they
would
love
to
be
slightly
different
and
I.
Think
there's
some
additional
places
in
the
zoning
amendment
that
bees
are
are
where
there
are
where
bees
are
mentioned
that
could
be
removed.
So
there's
like
there's
some
very
technical
things,
but
I
don't
think.
There's
any
major
language
changes
that
we'd
have
today.
E
So
it's
so
still,
some
like
redrafting,
conversation
Etc
to
have,
but
nothing
where
it's
like.
This
currently
addresses
this,
and
we
wouldn't
want
that
or
something
like
that.
Okay,
that's
great!
That's
just
you
know.
It
just
shows
you
that
counselor
Legion
is
a
lawyer,
and
you
know
Bright's
good
good
legislation
and,
as
you
say,
obviously
part
of
the
reason
that
we
have
the
hearing
is
to
hear
from
our
Advocates,
and
you
know
with
the
the
community
that
we're
trying
to
help
grow
by
doing
this.
E
So
obviously
you
know
I'm
sure
there
will
be
ideas
that
come
from
that
too
I
wonder
just.
Are
there
other
like
within
the
grow
Boston
portfolio?
Are
there
other
things
like
this?
That
we
should?
The
council
should
start
thinking
about
like
things
that
we
just
sort
of
make
difficult
from
a
kind
of
urban
farming
and
Agriculture
and
ecosystem
perspective
that
you
know
first
the
bees,
but
then
put
a
little
bug
in
our
ear
about
something
in
the
future
right.
G
Farming,
rooftop,
farming,
Innovative
production,
other
kinds
of
innovative
production
strategies,
and
it
also
covers
keeping
of
hens
and
so
I
I
think
that
it's
totally
possible
that
there's.
You
know
there
are
more
pieces
of
that.
Those
regulations
that
could
be
improved.
Amplified.
Now
that
we've
had
more
experience
with
Urban
agriculture
in
Boston
and
the
community's
developed
and
Advocates
have
a
lot
of
things
have
been
tried.
So
I
think
it's
very
possible
that
there
could
be
more
more
improvements
made
across
the
across
this
area
of
work.
E
D
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
It
was
informative
in
this
map.
I
know
my
eyes
are
going,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
interesting
I'm
surprised
at
the
neighborhoods
that
they
are
forbidden.
So
one
question
I
have
is
like
what
and
why.
Why
are?
Why
is
Port
Norfolk
completely
allowed
like
South,
Boston,
Waterfront,
Chinatown,
North
Station
right
there
were
neighborhoods
I
was
surprised,
were
green.
I
was
thinking
that
was
the
Forbidden
section
right
and
then
others
that
most
of
downtown
is
conditional.
G
I
guess
I
can
speak
to
that
briefly,
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
Why?
But
I
do
know
that
the
map
and
the
distinctions
within
the
map
precede
the
development
of
our
the
establishment
of
article
89,
so
the
the
article
89
laid
out
the
regulations
for
like
what
would
be
allowed
in
a
like
for
what
what
what
restrictions
you
have
to
meet
to
have
a
conditional
use
permit,
but
it
did
not.
G
The
the
map
predated
is
is
very,
is
based
on
the
base
code
and
earlier
zoning
articles
and
regulated
the
keeping
of
small
animals
and
and
was
sort
of
article
89
came
on
top
of
that.
That's
what
I
know
about
that.
I!
Don't
have
anything
to
add
to
that
crisp,
but
I
could
look
into
the
more
about
the
it.
D
I
bet,
when
the
be
Keepers
lovers
come,
speak,
we'll
hear
more
about
it,
but
the
question
I
have
also
is
what
com,
like
you
mentioned,
Chris
that
there
aren't
many
complaints,
you
don't
you
haven't,
filed,
really
any
fines
against
people
who
do
keep
beehives.
But
what
do
you
think
the
biggest
concern
from
neighbors
right,
because
usually
the
pushback
is
Neighbors,
don't
want
to
beehive
in
their
neighborhood?
D
Maybe
they
don't
want
their
next
door
neighbor
to
have
a
beehive,
which
I
think
is
a
separate,
at
least
in
my
mind,
is
a
separate
conversation
than
can
people
have
like
chicken
coops
or
you
know
other
types
of
animals
to
me.
Bees
seem
very
different
than
other
animals.
Some
people
would
keep
so
do
you
know
what
the
fear
or
the
concern
from
many
neighbors
would
be
I.
G
Think
the
concern
of
most
neighbors
is
worries
about
being
stung
and
I.
Think
that
that's
where
the
setbacks
can
be
very
useful
and
there's
other
strategies
you
can
use
to
in
terms
of
how
the
hives
are
where
the
hives
are
pointed
and
I
think
also
another
big
component
of
the
how
to
address
that
is
education
and
that's
something
that
we're
hoping
to
do
at
grab.
G
Austin
is
like
provide
a
lot
more
public
education
around
bees
because,
as
the
counselor,
maybe
more
than
one
counselor
said
that
they're
not
that
bees
are
not
aggressive
unless
you
are
interfering
with
them.
So
as
long
as
they're
far
enough
back
that
they're
not
easily
interfered
with
it
shouldn't
be
an
issue
which
sounds
good.
D
Because
I
know
when
we
have
well-attended
rap
hearings,
which
ISD
comes
out
to
usually
most
of
not
all
of
the
counselors
come
because
it's
a
big
concern
in
the
city.
It
is
about
that
information
in
those
infographs
and
getting
that
information
out
in
a
way
is
important.
So
I
think
what
this
would
be
important
to,
so
that
residents
know
that
there
isn't
a
fear
or
you
know
that
they
have
the
information
so
that
they
can
make
educated
decisions.
You
know,
but
that's
it
share.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
Murphy
I
only
have
one
question.
I
think
you
answered
a
number
of
questions
when
counselor
Louisiana
councilor
Bach
asked
it
sounded
like
some
of
the
edits
are
more
form
rather
than
substance,
but
one
of
the
questions
that
I
do
have
is
the
specified
amount
of
feet
that
are
detailed
in
this
ordinance.
Is
that
does
that
meet
sort
of
what
the
bpda
and
the
ISD?
F
B
Right
great
distance,
essentially
yeah
all
right,
perfect,
all
right,
that's
basically,
it
I
think
the
rest
of
my
questions
would
be
for
the
second
panel
I'm,
not
sure
if
anybody
has
anything
for
the
administration
before
we
bring
Advocates
up.
Oh
and
counselor,
Coletta
is
with
us.
Sorry
I
missed
you
out
of
the
periphery,
any
any
questions.
J
B
C
Yeah
yeah
Council
Bach
I
will,
like
you
know,
take
your
compliment
of
me
being
a
lawyer
and
the
drafting
being
perfect.
Also,
my
policy
director
Jesse
is
a
lawyer
who
helped
work
on
this.
We
actually
lifted
most
of
the
regulations
just
from
what
existed
in
zoning
with
a
few
tweaks
here
and
there
and
I
say
that,
because
you
know
we
don't
have
in
the
city,
you
know
it.
C
B
Thank
you
both
I'm,
releasing
both
of
you
so
that
we
can
have
our
next
panel
of
Advocates.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
If
thou
Mayo
vice
president
of
the
Boston
area,
beekeepers,
Bill
Perkins,
owner
of
the
Agricultural
Hall
Noah
Wilson
Rich,
president
of
best
bees
and
Larry
Vandy
Venter
board
member
of
the
Boston
area,
beekeepers,
if
you
can
take
your
seats.
B
You
and
so
I'm
going
to
hand
over
the
mics
to
our
Advocates
so
that
you
can
introduce
yourself.
If
you
have
an
opening
statement.
Please
share
it.
We'll
go
in
order
of
who's
here
before
us
and
then
Mr
Kirker
can
can
be
last
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
counselors
for
questions.
I,
don't
know!
If
there's
a
pre-selected,
do
you
have
a
order
of
preference?
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
an
order
of
preference
amongst
yourselves,
otherwise
we
could
just
start
from
left
to
right.
L
Sure
my
name
is
Bill.
Perkins
I've
been
a
beekeeper
in
Boston
for
10
years
now
and
I
own
a
shop
in
Jamaica,
Plain,
Stony,
Brook
neighborhood
called
agricultural
Hall,
where
I
offer
supplies
and
resources
to
help
people
explore
many
of
the
different
agricultural
Endeavors
that
they
can
do
within
the
city,
including
beekeeping
I'm.
L
Also
vice
president
of
the
Boston
area,
beekeeping,
Association
and
a
group
that
represents,
we
have
800
people
or
more
on
our
regular
mailing
list,
but
we
represent
about
200
people,
mostly
beekeepers,
annually,
pool
our
honey
together
and
sell
it
through
the
Boston
Nature
Center
at
the
farmers
markets
that
sort
of
Cut
Rate
price.
So
if
you've
been
to
them,
Mattapan
farmers,
market
or
Eggleston
Square,
which
is
now
a
community
servings
and
a
couple
of
other
places.
L
That's
Sunny
from
Boston
on
behalf
of
myself
and
I
think
it's
easy
to
say
all
of
the
several
hundred
beekeepers
peppered
pretty
evenly
throughout
every
neighborhood
in
Boston.
Many.
Many
thanks
to
council
councilperson,
Luigi
Yoon
for
drafting
this
proposal
and
council
person
Arroyo
for
his
work,
moving
this
ordinance
forward
and
to
all
those
who
are
co-sponsoring,
including
Kenzie,
Bach
and
council.
President
Coletta
is
here.
L
We
feel
that
a
veil
is
lifting
personally.
For
me,
there
are
many
important
reasons
why
bees
help
us,
but
in
the
city,
education
is
their
greatest
gift,
bees
somehow
magically
amplify
the
natural
world.
They
pull
us
into
this
world
of
color
and
Symmetry,
and
sound
and
I've
spent
endless
hours
eagerly,
introducing
hundreds
of
people
from
Seniors
and
senior
centers
to
daycare
students
at
the
day
care
centers
into
this
world,
and
everyone
sort
of
willingly
follows
along
there
in
the
Beast
world.
L
L
I
believe
this
legislation
will
work
as
is,
but
should
you
choose
to
consider
fine-tuning
the
ordinance
I
have
submitted
a
few
comments
to
to
Jesse
who
works
with
council
person,
Lejeune
and
I
think
we'll
all
probably
have
be
able
to
help
in
any
way
you
might
want
us
to,
but
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
H
Thank
you,
Bill
said
a
lot
of
what
I
would
have
said,
but
I
didn't
prepare
anything
I'm
just
going
to
speak
from
the
heart.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
what
you've
done
so
far.
Just
to
get
us
to
this
point,
because
you
know
sometimes
constituents
don't
feel
heard
and
I
gotta
say
that
I
I
feel
heard
and
I
hope
that
you
know
we
continue
that
in
that
along
that
path.
So
you
know
one.
H
My
big
reason
for
wanting
to
have
beekeeping
be
legal
is
just
I
want
to
be
a
good
citizen
and
a
good
neighbor
I,
don't
want
to
do
something.
That's
illegal
and
I!
Absolutely
love
beekeeping.
It's
in
my
DNA!
Some
of
you
may
know
that
I'm,
a
second
generation
beekeeper
and
so
I'll,
probably
always
be
beekeeping.
I
can
just
give
you
an
example
of
something
that
I
came
across
over
the
few
years.
H
My
concern
is
is
for
bees,
but
it's
for
the
entire
environment
and
the
more
we
educate
people
about
what's
important
in
our
environment,
the
healthcare
our
planet
can
be,
and
maybe
we
can
save.
You
know
we
can
save
the
bees
and
save
so
many
other
things.
So
this
is,
you
know,
educating
people
about
beekeeping,
allowing
people
to
engage
in
a
hobby
like
this
backyard.
Beekeeping
brings
people
closer
to
the
environment,
into
the
planet
and
and
so
I.
You
know
I
hope
this
goes
forward
without
so
many
restrictions
where
people
are
just
they.
H
I
Everything's
going
great,
it's
so
exciting
to
be
here
and
to
and
to
meet
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity.
This
is
really
taking
a
leadership
role
for
the
city
of
Boston
on
the
global
stage.
It
might
seem
like
we're
talking
about
bugs
in
our
backyards
because
we
are
but
the
world
is
watching-
and
this
is
a
really
exciting
moment,
especially
because
I
was
here
in
2013
for
article
89
and
I
was
in
the
room
for
those
conversations
as
a
lot
of
people
were.
I
That
was
a
wonderful
process,
and
yet
it
was
part
of
a
larger
movement
that
today
it's
picking
up
the
next
step
and
for
that
it's
really
exciting,
because
I
know
what
they
were
trying
to
do
and
I
know
that
nobody,
maybe
one
person,
got
through
with
with
ISD,
but
nobody's,
been
able
to
apply
because
I
wanted
to
be
a
model
and
to
go
through
the
process
to
show
people
hey
here's
how
it's
done
I
I
couldn't
do
it.
I
do
have
a
PhD
I.
I
There
are
so
many
other
businesses
like
agricultural
Hall
in
Boston,
and
when
you
watch
Shark
Tank,
they
love.
If
you
mention
the
word
bees,
they
go
for
it
and
there's
a
model
in
London
where
they
have
Honeys
from
around
the
neighborhoods
of
their
City.
You
can
taste
the
neighborhood
and
you
start
to
meet
people
there
and
understand.
What
are
you
growing
in
your
garden?
What
are
the
recipes?
What's
important
to
your
heritage?
How
do
we
have
a
community
that's
built
around
this,
and
all
those
dialogues
start
right
here.
I
There
are
also
other
ways
that
governments
have
come
in
to
support
the
economic
aspects
of
sustainability
like
New,
Zealand
and
Manuka,
Honey,
or
even
champagne,
in
France,
where
once
you
start
to
understand
this
is
Boston
honey.
That
brings
a
product
to
the
global
stage
where
you
make
it
happen,
and
the
science
behind
honey.
I
These
are
my
bees
like
this
isn't
Godzilla,
you
know
come
in
check
it
out.
Let
me
tell
you
about
them.
Hundreds
of
people
have
participated
and
that's
also
a
model
for
building
Community
classroom
hives
is
another
non-profit
based
in
Boston
that
has
published
curriculum
from
Boston
Public
School
teachers.
In
a
book
chapter,
we
wrote
with
Boston
College.
That's
an
amazing
focus
on
our
local
education
system,
even
though
those
teachers
had
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
wasn't
necessarily
sanctioned
it
wasn't.
I
You
know
that
you
shouldn't
do
it,
but
these
teachers
really
took
the
lead
and
taught
students
in
a
very
different,
unique
way.
I've
also
shared
our
research
data
multiple
times
in
the
tedx
Boston
stage.
So
cut
me
off
if
I'm
running
out
of
time
here,
but
I
wanted
to
just
share
a
couple
other
things
here.
So
we've
added
research
beehives
at
educational
institutions
in
Boston
which
we're
known
for
including
at
Simmons
University,
where
there
are
students,
doing
active
research
right
now
with
their
rooftop
bees.
I
That
research
focuses
on
Urban
beekeeping
as
a
scientific
model
that
currently
with
beekeeping,
not
being
permissible
limits,
our
scientific
understanding
of
our
alone,
our
environment.
So
those
students
are
looking
at
honey
and
understanding
what
other
species
of
pollinators
have
also
interacted
with
flowers.
In
our
neighborhoods
so
we're
getting
a
bigger
sense
of
the
biodiversity,
that's
what's
pollinating
our
food
system
and
because
beekeeping
is
happening
at
these
educational
institutions.
I
National
Geographic
highlighted
Boston's
Urban
beekeeping
as
a
model
for
other
cities
in
2018
and
I
just
completed
a
contract
on
with
the
federal
government
on
pollinator
analysis
across
cities
Nationwide
as
well
all
based
on
the
Boston
model.
So
we're
doing
a
lot.
We've
kicked
off
the
East
Boston
Public
Library
RFK
Greenway,
formerly
where
I-93
was
it's
now
a
pollinator
habitat,
Fenway
Park
Harvard
Business
School
are
great
models
in
the
community
garden
system,
which
is
one
thing
I
haven't
seen
addressed
here.
So
Community
Gardens
have
a
selective
enforcement
of
beehives.
I
They
have
cited
article
33
in
the
past.
That's
one
thing:
I
didn't
see
addressed
in
the
current
documents
here
today,
so
I
just
want
to
call
that
out.
Seattle
is
a
great
model
that
promotes
beehives
in
Community
Gardens
San
Francisco
is
another
city
where
beehives
are
allowed
by
right
with
nothing.
You
know
required
there.
New
York
City
in
2010,
we've
mentioned
legalized:
beekeeping,
Boston,
2013,
Los
Angeles
in
2015,
legalized,
beekeeping,
in
a
unanimous
15-0
vote
in
the
city
council.
I
So
another
great
model
there
Denver
is
something
to
look
at
as
well,
where
they
have
a
green
committee
that
incentivizes
ecological
Behavior.
So
there
are
some
benefits
to
businesses
to
rooftops,
to
homes
for
doing
green
things
like
this
and
the
legacy
of
these
decisions,
as
we're
seeing
here
remain
on
the
books.
So
Los
Angeles
is
a
great
model.
I
September
4th,
1854
bees
first
came
to
La
June
10th
1879
bees
were
banned
and
that
law
to
make
the
bees
illegal
in
Los
Angeles
on
September,
I'm,
sorry,
June,
10th
1879
remained
on
the
books
until
2015.,
just
because
nobody
did
anything
about
it.
Despite
it
being
a
unanimous
vote,
Republicans
and
Democrats
ever
be
coming
together
for
it
these
laws
matter
and
that's
what
we're
here
today
to
understand.
Why
does
Boston
have
illegal
beekeeping,
especially
in
areas
where
people
are
struggling
for
access
to
food?
So
this
is
really
important.
I
I
just
want
to
add
a
couple
other
topics
here.
There
are
some
models
that
are
good
as
we've
shared.
There
are
also
some
models
that
are
bad
and
without
naming
names
which
we
can
do
offline.
There
are
three
cities
that
come
to
mind.
One
of
them
is
bad
because
it
has
a
very
large
distance
between
neighbors
required
for
bees,
so
only
the
wealthy
Property
Owners,
with
large
aspects
of
land
can
have
access
to
pollinators.
I
Another
city
has
a
two
thousand
dollar
permit,
and
a
third
City
requires
beekeepers
to
tell
their
neighbors,
although
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
neighbor
says
so
I
call
that
an
Fu,
Clause
I
said
be
wary
of
that.
Another
aspect
of
what
I've
seen
here
is
in
the
documents.
No
Hive
shall
be
located
closer
than
10
feet
from
a
public
sidewalk.
That's
something
that
we
could
consider
adding
some
clarity
to.
Let's
say
if
there's
a
wall
or
another
barrier
or
a
big
slope.
I
So
it's
you
know,
maybe
right
close
to
it,
but
very
high
up,
there's
some
ways:
we
can
clarify
that
other
than
that
I
think
you
really
got
it
right.
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
the
science,
it's
important
to
acknowledge
here's,
some
controversy
on
the
topic.
What
you've
done
really
well
here
is
limited
the
number
of
beehives
right
now.
I
There
was
a
swarm
so
that
we
can
just
reach
out
to
the
community
and
pick
it
up
so
having
that
extra
third
allowed
is
very
important
so
that
we
beekeepers
can
support
the
community
and
I
think
the
next
step
is
to
incentivize
the
plants
for
foraging
Habitat
to
make
sure
that
there
are
enough
diverse
foraging
plants
for
bees
to
thrive.
So
other
cities,
like
Chicago,
Portland
and
Denver,
could
be
good
models
to
understand.
The
gardening
aspect
in
closing.
I
wanted
to
just
recognize
the
other
people
here.
I
B
You
that
was
great
I
see
why
these
things
go
on
Shark
Tank,
the
way
they
do
and
right
now
our
viewers
are
furiously
Googling
those
conditions
to
see
which
cities
drop
the
ball.
It's
connected
to
offline
on
that
and
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
the
aspect
that
our
communities
may
also
make
some
profit
on
this
I
think,
especially
since
we've
done
home
kitchens
or
residential
kitchens
I
think
that's
a
fantastic
aspect
to
this.
B
One
of
the
companies
that
I
used
to
frequent
was
a
company
known
as
b-raw
that
is
now
no
longer
producing
so
I'm
on
the
market
for
a
new
Honey
supplier.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments.
I
was
very
incisive
and
so
we'll
go
to
our
final.
Actually,
we
have
two
more
Mr,
Kirker
I
didn't
forget
about
you
online,
but
if
we
can
go
to
Mr
vandeventer,
then
Mr
Kirker
and
then
to
my
Council
colleagues
for
questions
and
thank
you
all
you're
doing
fantastic
bees
have
no
better
advocates.
M
M
I
very
much
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
provide
input
to
further
the
refinement
of
the
ordinance
to
ensure
that
it
comprehensively
covers
both
the
public
safety
of
beekeeping
and
the
interests
of
all
beekeepers
in
Boston
and
its
diverse
neighborhoods
I'm,
providing
my
input
as
a
citizen
beekeeper
in
Boston
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
I'm,
a
fully
retired
hobbyist
beekeeper
in
my
eighth
year
of
beekeeping
and
typically
manage
up
to
12
full-size
hives
and
from
6
to
12
half
half
size.
What
we
call
nucleus
colonies,
because
my
yard
in
West
Roxbury,
is
not
suitable
for
beehives.
M
I
am
enormously
thankful
and
appreciative
being
able
to
have
these
in
all
these
locations.
I
routinely
provide
beekeeping
public
education
opportunities
at
Leland,
Cooperative
Garden,
the
BNC,
City,
natives,
Learning,
Center
and
other
ways.
I
participate
in
the
BNC
Baba
Meet
The
Beekeeper
public
education.
That
bill
spoke
about
where
we
dive
into
hives,
with
up
close
and
personal
inspections
with
adults
and
children.
M
M
My
beekeeping
goals
are
simple:
Foster,
an
appreciation
of
these
and
their
benefits,
the
successful
husbandry
of
about
a
million
bees,
maximizing
overwintering
survival
and
promoting
sustainability
of
local
New
England
bees
through
beekeeping
education.
It's
not
about
the
honey,
although
locally
sourced
honey,
for
which
there
is
a
very
high
demand
in
this
area,
is
a
wonderful
contribution
from
the
bees
to
local
agricultural
sustainability.
M
Now
my
comments
on
the
ordinance
are
really
in
two
places.
There's
there's
other
things
that
all
of
us
beekeepers
have
been
collectively
discussing,
but
essentially
the
two
that
I'm
most
interested
in
addressing
I
will
tell
you
about.
First,
the
number
of
hives
in
section
c
regulation
I,
the
three
Hive
limit-
may
be
appropriate
for
a
residential
situation,
but
I
really
see
no
reason
why
it
couldn't
be
a
greater
number
up
to
five
or
six,
if
done
within
the
guidance
framework
of
the
setting.
Okay,
so
I
don't
have
anything
troubling
about
that.
M
Other
than
that
comment,
it
would
be
severely.
The
three
hives
severely
restricts
what
Noah
was
alluding
to
with
Community
Gardens
and
my
my
apiary
in
Mattapan.
It
would
essentially
prevent
me
from
keeping
bees
there
in
the
Learning
Center
at
City,
natives
and
similar
respect.
It
would
limit
the
amount
of
bees.
We
can
keep
a
debit
April.
We
have
about
15
hives
of
Baba
apiary
right
now,.
M
So
some
accommodation
for
the
number
of
hives
located
in
what
I
call
non-residential
settings
non-profits,
such
as
the
trustees
of
the
reservation,
City
natives,
Learning
Center
and
the
BNC
and
Community
Gardens
should
be
incorporated
in
the
ordinance.
That's
my
comment:
I
would
suggest
to
add
a
limit
for
the
number
of
hives
on
any
non-residential
setting
to
a
maximum
of
15..
M
That's
a
reasonable
number.
The
second
area
that
I
want
to
comment
on
is
in
this
first
section
of
the
article
personal
consumption
restriction,
historically
locally
sourced
honey
produced
by
Boston
beekeepers
has
been
highly
prized
by
our
neighborhoods
and
and
the
full
seasonal
demand
is
always
unmet.
We
can't
create
enough
honey
to
satisfy
the
demand.
Commercial
sales
of
honey
have
occurred
in
a
number
of
ways
that
bill
mentioned.
So
I
won't
belabor
that
there's
balcony
to
restaurants
at
all
manner
of
farmers
markets
in
the
area.
It's
historically
been
practiced.
M
M
So
all
these
venues
Foster
a
strong
sense
of
community
connection
and
pride
as
they
provide
neighborhood
sourced
honey
to
bostonians
the
ordinance
as
written
Limits.
The
Keeping
of
hives
to
personal
honey
consumption.
If
commercial
sale
of
locally
sourced
honey
is
not
allowed
by
this
ordinance,
it
will
deprive
our
local
neighborhoods
of
access
to
this
important
honey
source
and
mean
essentially
that
any
non-local
honey
supplier
could
sell.
M
C
Thank
you,
Bill.
Those
are
very
thoughtful
and
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
feedback.
The
city
council
usually
has
something
called
working
sessions
where
we
go
over
other
regulations,
but
you
are
done
some
of
the
homework
for
us
and
I
appreciate
your
comments,
along
with
everyone
else,
chair
Arroyo
had
to
step
away,
and
so
as
the
sponsor
of
this
ordinance
and
taxim,
and
as
the
vice
chair
of
government
operations
I'll
be
taking
over
for
the
moment,
Jim
Kirker.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
K
Jim
hear
me,
we
can
hear
you
all
right,
great
all
right,
I
wanted
to
thank
you
guys
for
doing
this.
I
I,
just
I,
think
there
was
a
question
about
why
nobody
had
been
applying
for
beehives
I.
Think
the
answer
to
that
is
most
people,
including
myself,
thought
that
keeping
bees
in
Boston
had
been
legalized
and
including
Rob
consalbo
by
the
way
yeah.
K
I
wanted
to
expand
on
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
talked
about,
and
one
of
those
things
is
is
habitat
and
I
think
that
something
that
is
hopefully
will
be
brought
up
more
often,
and
that
is
the
importance
of
native
bees,
as
opposed
to
honeybees
native
bees
and
Native
pollinators,
actually
do
more
pollinating
and
we're
losing
habitat
like
crazy
and
honeybees
Hive.
They
can
be
replaced
yearly.
K
Native
bees
and
Native
pollinators,
don't
they
nest
and
they
nest
and
leaves
they
nest
in
Fallen
fallen,
leaves
they
nest
in
wood
and
stuff
like
that
and
we
are
losing
habitat
and
that
is
killing
off
the
native
bees
and
the
native
pollinators.
So
I
think
we
need
to
as
well
as
talk
about
keeping
making
honey
bee,
keeping
legal.
We
need
to
start
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
save
habitat
and
how
we're
going
to
keep
our
native
bees
and
our
native
pollinators
going.
H
C
H
C
M
Yeah
my
comment
would
be
the
thing
that
I'm
hopeful
for
is
that
we're
tweaking
this
we're
we're
going
to
tweak
it
to
get
it
done
and
that's
what
I'm
hearing
and
that?
That's
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see,
because
if
we
get
it
really
right
as
right
as
we
can
get
it
with
collaboration,
then
we're
there
and-
and
we
don't
need
other
other
things
like
variances
or
exactly
you
know,.
C
M
C
Great,
thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
panelists.
This
is
like
an
enriching
conversation
about
bees
again
I'm,
not
a
b
expert
I
do
I,
like
my
local,
honey
and
I,
like
my
Manuka
Honey
right,
because
there's
been
such
a
great
job
with
marketing
Manuka,
honey
from
New
Zealand
and
the
health
property.
So
I,
just
it
just
got
more
Manuka
honey
last
week,
and
if
we
could
do
that
with
Boston
I,
think
that
would
be
incredible
know.
What
were
you
talking
about?
C
I
have
a
number
of
questions
that
I
would
I
have
for
our
panel
because
I
think
of
this,
as
as
not
only
questions
on
how
to
get
it
right.
But
there
are
folks
watching
at
home
who
want
to
better
understand
beekeeping
right
because
to
take
away
from
this,
you
know
sometimes
fear
induced
by
by
media,
about
about
swarms
and
about
picnickers
being
attacked
by
bees
and
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
explain
a
few
things
in
the
regulations
that
we
will
likely
keep.
L
I
I
like
to
add
a
a
comparison
with
The
Jetsons,
maybe
I'm
dating
myself.
Maybe
the
viewers
will
say
so:
it's
the
highway
in
the
sky,
just
picture
it
not
going
towards
the
sidewalk
or
towards
your
neighbor,
but
Up
and
Away.
There's
a
lot
of
tricks
to
just
point
that
Highway,
where
the
bees
go
straight
up
and
not
out.
K
C
C
M
Take
I'll
take
a
stab
at
that.
It
doesn't
really
take
a
large
area
because
you
know
the
regulation
allows
a
side
yard,
for
example,
that's
beside
the
house
or
the
rear
yard,
which
is
of
course
in
the
rear
and
usually
there's
more
room
in
the
rear
of
the
house.
But
the
the
con
considerations
are
the
direction
that
the
hive
would
be
facing.
M
We
generally
try
to
go
Southeast
to
get
the
morning
sun
to
wake
up
the
bees,
that's
their
alarm
clock,
so
you
don't
need
a
lot
of
room,
but
you
need
to
have
it
face
that
that
direction.
Generally
speaking
that,
but
you
know
you,
you
could
put
in
a
side
yard
that
had
say
a
10-foot
setback
from
the
property
line
with
a
proper
in
the
sun.
Let's
say
is
coming
from
the
southeast.
M
C
Thank
you
thanks,
Larry
and
I
also
should
say
for
the
record.
I
want
to
thank
Jim
and
Val
for
letting
me
visit
their
hives
in
High
Park,
which
to
me
was
truly
me
and
my
staff,
which
was
truly
truly
informative
for
me,
to
see
how
delightful
and
how
easy
beekeeping
can
be
if
we
make
it
easier
for
our
residents.
So
thank
you
Larry
and
thank
you
to
Val
and
to
Jim.
C
B
H
H
C
So
I,
just
in
that
I'm
thinking
about
will
there
be
a
need.
I
mean
this
could
be
a
reason
for
us
too,
and
I
see.
Shiny
is
still
here
for
us
to
be
more
intentional
about
making
sure
that
we
are
building
out
areas
Even
in
our
neighborhoods,
the
ones
that
especially
our
Egypt
environmental
justice
neighborhoods
that,
but
maybe
don't
have
a
lot
of
flowers
a
lot
of
Green
Space.
C
M
I
took
the
liberty
of
making
a
little
map
around
Mattapan
Square.
My
bees
are
in
the
center
of
this
circle.
I've
got
more
copies
of
this.
For
you,
this
circle
is
six
miles
in
diameter.
That's
the
average
diameter
for
bees
foraging
they
generally
forage
from
one
to
three
miles
from
The
Hive
Center
in
any
direction,
and
so
that
cell,
from
looking
at
this,
you
can
see,
there's
a
pretty
big
circle,
six
miles
around
Mattapan
Square
and
then
the
local
honey
that
sold
I'd
like
to
point
out
sold
at
the
farmer's
market.
L
Just
I'm
sorry
one
thing
to
that,
and
that
is
that
a
bees
in
Boston
gets
so
much
of
their
nectar.
From
from
this
three-dimensional
nectar,
source
called
trees
and
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
tree
Ordnance
work
on
going
right
now,
but
I
can't
emphasize
enough
how
important
trees
are
to
the
foraging
of
for
bees.
So.
K
C
Thank
thank
you.
Jim
I
just
had
a
question
for
you
Larry
regarding
the
six
miles
diameter
forage
area.
Is
there
a
do?
We
is
there,
do
we
take
something
for
that?
Give
it
take
something
from
that,
given
that
bees
normally
travel
around
one
to
two
miles,
the
fact
that
Mattapan
Square
the
diet,
it's
that
much
larger?
Is
there
an
implication
like?
Is
there
a
conclusion
we
can
draw
from
that,
or
is
that
just
are
you?
Are
you
elevating
that
as
something.
M
That
is
good.
No,
that
that
that's
the
the
general
behavior
is
the
one
to
three
miles
from
The
Hive
in
any
direction.
Giving
a
diameter
of
about
six
miles.
Okay,
but
I,
think
the
unique
thing
about
that
is
it's
amazing.
How
many
times
they
do
it
and
it's
that
far
the
actual
average
distance
according
to
Tom
Seeley
is
3.7
miles
that
they
go.
There's
some
that
do
closer
some
that
do
further.
They
don't
quite
know
who
makes
that
decision,
but
they
that's
their
behavior.
H
Just
I
don't
know
the
bees
the
bees
want
to
go
as
close
as
possible,
so
the
more
diversity
of
plants
and
things
for
them
to
draw
nectar
from
the
closer
they'll
stay.
That's
why
to
Jim's
point
it's.
It
is
good
to
have
a
diversity
of
plants
and
trees,
save
the
tree
so
that
the
bees
don't
have
the
farther
they
have
to
fly,
the
more
energy
it
takes
and
the
closer
they
are.
You
know
it
takes
less
energy
and
they
can
do
more
foraging
if
they
can
go
one
to
two
miles
or
one
to
three
miles.
H
M
C
B
B
Second
yeah,
so
I'm
I'm,
actually,
unfortunately,
I
have
a
a
very
important
thing.
I
have
to
do
right
this
second,
but
this
has
been
really
informative.
I
had
one
question
that
I'm
gonna
have
counselor
Lucian
asked
me
because
I
think
councilor
Bach
also
has
something
else,
but
my
one
question
is:
this
has
been
incredibly
informative,
I
think
for
folks
who
are
watching
and
our
hearings
tend
to
be
streamed
sort
of
online
and
on
TV
at
a
later
Point
as
a
child.
B
My
parents
gardened,
and
did
things
like
that
and
so
I
I
think
that
has
a
very
low
barrier
for
entry,
but
if
I
want
to
do,
beekeeping,
I
wouldn't
even
know
where
to
begin
with
that,
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
was
going
to
be
for
folks
who
are
watching
this.
We
want
to
expand
the
accessibility
of
beekeeping
and
I.
Think
one
part
of
that
is
letting
people
know
how
they
can
get
involved
in
beekeeping.
What
resources
are
available
to
them?
Where
can
they
learn
how
to
do
this?
B
Where
can
they
learn
how
to
get
bees
and
what
the
proper
environments
for
that
is
or
are?
Rather,
but
you
can
answer
that
after
counselor
box,
question
and
I
will
be
watching
this
on
repeat
so,
I
will
get
it,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
the
public
to
sort
of
know
how
to
engage
in
this
practice
that
they
would
like
to.
Thank
you.
E
Obviously,
there's
a
ton
of
gardeners
there
and
so
lots
of
lots
of
people
who
are
benefiting
very
directly
from
the
pollinator
Garden
that
we've
got
there
now
and
the
pollinators
who
are
living
adjacent
to
it.
But
I
think
I
really
want
a
second
counselor
royo's
question
and
just
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
use
this
platform
to
share
with
people
how
you
guys
got
into
beekeeping
and
what
the
best
routes
are.
I
think
this
is
obviously
a
case
where
we're
going
to
need
all
of
that.
E
Community
engagement
that
you
guys
already
engage
in
it's
just
that.
We
shouldn't
also
have
kind
of
barriers
and
difficult
zoning
Thicket.
That
then
gets
in
the
way
of
somebody
who
does
manage
to
make
that
connection
and
be
enthusiastic,
so
so
yeah
would
love
would
love
if
you
guys
could
talk
a
bit
about
that,
but
just
really
want
to
Echo.
My
thanks
and
say
I
mean
it
does
seem
like.
We
already
have
some
good
points
for
the
working
session
and
I
feel
like
we're
all
I.
E
Don't
have
a
good
B
metaphor:
I
was
going
to
just
say
we're
all
swimming
in
the
same
direction,
flying
in
the
same
buzzing
in
the
same
direction.
I
feel
like
fundamentally,
the
what
you
heard
today
right
is
that
the
city
departments
and
the
counselors
are
on
the
same
page
as
wanting
to
support
the
growth
of
this
community
and
make
it
easier
and
so
I
feel,
like.
We've
got
a
good
Fly
Away
ahead.
K
And
I
can
I
can
I
start
about
how
I
got
into
it
and
then
I
gotta
go
because
I
have
a
cat
that
needs
I
have
to
pick
up
and
I,
like
my
life,
revolves
around
cats,
so
anyways
I
started
because
of
Val
Val.
We
talked
about
keeping
bees
for
years
and
finally,
one
day
she
said
called
and
said:
Jim
we're
going
to
start
keeping
bees
and
well.
You
know
nobody
says
no
to
Val
but
anyways
the
it
was
kind
of
funny.
I
really
got
into
it
immediately.
K
There
really
is
something
about
getting
into
a
hive
and
watching
it
and
and
just
hearing
the
bees,
the
buzz
when
I
with
a
happy
Hive
is
just
I
find
really
calming,
but
unfortunately
my
first
Hive
died.
The
next
year
I
got
the
hive
and
I
decided
to
install
it
myself
and
with
my
wife,
reading
the
instructions
off
the
porch
and
laughing
at
me,
because
every
time
I
shook
the
bees.
K
I
think
that
they're
going
to
be
fascinated
by
it
too,
and
and
once
they
get
over
their
initial
fear,
which
everybody
has
of
handling
the
bees
and
and
and
what
they're
all
about
I
think
that
you
are
going
to
see
an
increase
in
beekeeping
because
that
it's
just
it's
hard
to
not
love
bees,
but
anyways
I
have
to
go
get
some
insulin
from
my
cat
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
bringing
for
bringing
this
up
like
this
and
and
I
hope
everything
passes
and
good
luck
to
everybody.
K
C
C
So
that
was
a
great
question
that
I
also
had
on
my
list,
because
I
think
beekeeping
101
is
important
to
again
get
more
beekeepers
and
to
decrease
any
sort
of
fear
that
exists
around
beekeeping.
I
just
have
a
few
more
questions
which
I
can
as
the
only
counselor
it's
our
time
now.
Okay,
so
I'm
wondering
and
I
think
Noah
or
someone
else
already
talked
about
this.
But
if
you
could
talk
a
bit
more
about
what
a
swarm
is
and
what
do
we?
What
do
we
do?
I
Sure
so,
to
answer
the
question
too,
about
how
to
get
into
beekeeping.
Briefly,
there's
at
least
three
ways
so
Boston
beekeepers.org
is
the
website
that
anybody
who
wants
to
become
a
beekeeper
should
go
to
to
learn.
They
offer
a
beekeeping
school.
So
that's
the
Boston
area,
Beekeepers
Association
is
the
name
of
the
group.
Boston
beekeepers.org
you'll
meet
some
wonderful
people
like
Val
here
who
helps
run
the
B
school,
it's
taught
by
Bill,
and
yours
truly
and
well,
maybe
10
years
ago,
so
Boston
beekeepers.org
check
that
out.
I
You
can
also
just
connect
with
a
beekeeper
who's,
a
member
there
if
you
have
a
property
and
you
want
to
open
it
up,
but
you
don't
want
to
do
the
beekeeping
and
that's
another
option
for
somebody
to
get
involved
and
that's
I
think
how
a
lot
of
people
got
acquainted
with
bees
and
then,
of
course,
three
there's:
a
beekeeping
service,
beekeepers,
For
Hire
like
a
pool
service
or
a
lawn
care
service.
So
there
are
a
few
options
there.
I
So
at
least
three
options
to
get
started
in
terms
of
your
question
about
a
swarm,
so
a
swarm
is
a
reproductive
process.
It
is
when
a
beehive
has
a
baby
beehive
and
as
a
sign
scientist
myself,
there
is
a
concept
called
super
organisms,
and
a
super
organism
is
instead
of
one
individual
like
each
of
us
or
one
human.
It's
when
the
group
of
us
is
an
individual
and
that's
a
honey
bee
hive.
A
honey
beehive
is
really
an
individual,
because
the
queen
is
like
the
ovaries.
I
The
workers
are
like
the
blood
cells
and
there's
actually
teenager
bees
that
hang
out
at
the
entrance,
and
that's
like
the
Skin
So.
When
that
one
group
has
a
baby
that
typically
happens
in
the
springtime.
That
is
a
swarm
and
you
see
half
of
the
bees
go
off
and
they
don't
have
a
place
to
move
to
if
it's
like,
if
you've
ever
had
a
friend
who
moved
to
California
without
a
job
or
a
home,
yet
you're
like
wow.
That's
that's
pretty
cool.
I
Okay,
that's
like
what
a
swarm
is,
so
they
don't
have
a
place
to
go
so
they'll
land
on
a
tree,
they'll
land,
on
a
stop
sign
in
Boston
there
was
a
famous
incident
like
2013
I
was
trying
to
go
to
Red
Sox
game.
I
got
a
call
for
the
mayor's
office,
saying
there's
a
swarm
of
bees
that
landed
on
a
yellow
car.
You
have
to
go,
get
them
and
I
was
like
I
gotta
go
to
the
Sox
game,
I
get
there.
It
is
typically
a
basketball
shape
in
size.
I
That's
what
a
swarm
typically
looks
like
very,
very,
very
gentle,
but
of
course,
it's
strange
to
see.
You're
like
oh,
my
gosh,
there's
all
these
insects,
but
they
eat
a
lot
of
honey
and
so
they're
they're
like
after
Thanksgiving
meal
like
they
just
don't
touch
me.
They're
they're,
really
not
inclined
to
sting.
They
just
are
like
we're.
Looking
for
a
home,
so
I
get
there,
the
Boston
police
are
there
and
they
were
like
come
to
the
side.
Do
you
think
that
there's
a
dead
body
in
the
car
and
I
was
like
I?
I
Don't
I
think
they
think
it's
a
flower?
It's
a
yellow
car,
so
I
just
brushed
the
bees
into
a
tupperware
and
took
them
home
with
me.
It's
a
Dorchester
went
back
to
the
Sox
game
had
a
great
time,
but
the
crowd
around
was
like
what
is
happening,
and
so
swarms
are
very
important.
To
talk
about,
people
will
ask,
they
will
act,
storms
can
and
do
happen,
but
beekeepers
know
how
to
handle
it
and
that's
really
the
importance
of
legalized
beekeeping
for
all.
H
C
L
Yes,
somebody
with
one
Hive
will
can
expect
to
harvest
honey,
typically
not
the
first
year
that
they
start
out,
because
the
bees
are
building
up
their
resources
and
the
colony
size,
but
sometimes,
and
and
definitely
by
the
second
year,
yeah
and
and
pretty
much.
That
goes
for
pretty
much
everywhere
in
Boston,
except
maybe
downtown,
where
the
forage,
the
food
that
the
bees
are
looking
for
is
a
little
skin.
So.
C
Thank
you
thank
you,
Bill
and
then
one
one
other
question
for
for
Noah
and
for
anyone
else
who
wants
to
add.
You
mentioned
something.
You
know
we
as
city
council,
we're
here
to
to
draft
policy,
to
make
the
city
stronger
to
make
sure
that
we
are
building
an
inclusive
resiliency
where
everyone's
able
to
meet
their
basic
needs,
and
you
talk
about
jobs
which
is
really
important.
We
talked
about
how
beekeeping
creates
jobs
for
our
residents.
C
So
if
you
could
talk
a
bit
more
about
how
this
could
be
an
economic
generator
or
a
job
creator
making
easier
to
keep
bees
I'm
curious
to
hear,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
there's
an
environmental
event,
there's
environmental
benefits
or
personal
benefits,
which
I
think
are
really
important.
I
think
Jim
talked
about
the
mental
health
benefits,
just
like
the
joy
you
experience
just
by
watching
the
hives,
but
there
could
be
economic
benefits
as
well
and
I'm
curious
to
hear
a
bit
more
about
that.
I
Absolutely
there
are
huge
economic
benefits
from
multiple
angles
here
which
I
find
so
exciting.
As
a
scientist,
because
I
always
think
about
how
do
we
apply
data
to
make
our
lives
better
and
more
Equitable
and
make
our
studies
more
just
and
sustainable,
and
so
going
back
to
a
question
about?
Well,
how
much
can
one
Hive
do?
I
So
a
sunny
summer
day
can
be
more
toxic
to
a
bee
in
America
than
a
cold
New
England
blizzard,
and
that's
just
insane,
and
so
by
acknowledging
us
as
a
community
and
coming
together
and
saying
well,
okay:
where
are
bees
thriving?
Where
are
they
doing
better?
We're
able
to
see
places
like
Boston
they're,
doing
great
in
areas
like
Mattapan
and
Dorchester
and
areas
where
you
had
called
economic
Justice
areas
or
EJ
environmental.
C
I
Why
are
they
thriving
there
and
we
looked
at
the
honey
and
we
found
eight
times
greater
plant
diversity
in
these
EJ
areas
of
Boston
compared
to
the
surrounding
suburbs,
eight
times
more
flowers,
and
that
gives
a
totally
different
perspective
on
areas
where,
if
we're
just
humans
boots
on
the
ground,
we're
missing
a
lot
of
stuff.
The
bees
are
doing,
surveillance
and
they're,
giving
us
information
well,
what's
growing,
what
should
we
plant
more
of
what
are
like?
I
Does
Jim
was
saying
the
native
plants
that
we
should
promote
and
so
for
jobs
for
myself
founding
and
as
the
CEO
of
the
best
bees
company,
we
have
created
over
200
jobs
for
people
who
didn't
have
beekeeping
experience
to
experts
to
master
beekeepers,
and
this
helps
to
Green
our
communities.
It
gives
us
more
data,
we
don't
sell
honey
because
many
people
do.
We
don't
teach
beekeeping,
because
others
do
so
from
selling
honey
to
mentoring
as
a
service
to
a
beekeeping
service.
I
These
are
three
different
Industries
I've,
also
consulted
with
the
World
Bank
and
met
with
governments
of
Haiti
I've
worked
with
the
country
of
Benin
Ethiopia
on
that
model
from
New
Zealand,
so
I,
don't
know
how
much
you
paid
for
Manuka
honey,
too
much
I'm
going
to
tell
you.
It
was
like
three
times
I
mean:
isn't
that
crazy,
even
for
fundraisers,
for
schools,
we're
seeing
in
Canada
where,
because
beehives
are
very
common
at
schools
there,
they
have
different
funding
systems.
People
often
pay
a
hundred
dollars
per
jar
of
honey
as
a
fundraiser
for
schools.
I
So
we
can
think
about
this
in
many
different
economic
generating
in
ways
and
that's
just
from
a
box
of
pollinators.
We
haven't
even
talked
about
the
gardens,
yet
we
haven't
talked
about
green
rooftops.
These
are
industries
that
we
know
are
inevitably
going
to
happen
around
the
world
because
we
see
them
happening
in
parts
of
Europe.
We
see
the
United
States
as
empty
rooftops,
the
built
environment
as
we
have
it,
replaced
Green
Space
and
in
this
brutalist
building
of
Boston
City
Hall.
We
know
the
rooftop
is
empty
because
I
have
consulted
here.
I
Only
certain
parts
of
it
are
good
for
solar
panels,
some
parts
for
windmills
and
anything
else
that
we
don't
know
what
to
do.
We
call
it
pollinator
habitat
those
all
equal
jobs
that
advances
science
and
that
inspires
people
to
see
our
city
and
these
EJ
areas
completely
differently
as
assets.
Those
are
the
model
neighborhoods
to
understand.
Well,
what
plants
are
growing
there?
How
do
we
get
more
of
them?
How
do
we
support
plant
and
garden
centers?
And
how
do
we
leverage
that
historic
knowledge
of
our
communities
and
the
people
to
say?
I
C
Oh
that's
incredibly,
thank
you.
I'm
excited
and
Sean
is
still
here:
I'm
excited
about
the
possibilities
from
your
Collective
expertise,
right,
we're
here
to
talk
about
ordinance
and
and
text
amendment
to
make
beekeeping
easier,
but
I
think
this
is
just
an
example
of
how
we
can
be
more
creative
and
how
we
can
be
building
for
the
future
here
in
our
city,
if
you're
a
degree
and
future
towards
an
environment's
centered
future.
C
I
We
talked
a
lot
about
trees,
but
Linden
did
seem
to
be
a
predominant
source
of
Boston
honey,
and
so
maybe
Linden
is
our
Manuka
word
here
and
that's
where
we
can
rely
on
the
science
and
it
tells
people
what
Boston
tastes
like
and
it
informs
like
what
the
federal
government
I
work
that
at
work
that
I
did
over
the
past
year,
where
they
have
to
add
more
green,
shade
trees
to
parking
lots.
This
inform
them
of
what
type
of
trees
the
existing
was
called.
I
The
p100
for
the
general
Services
Administration
didn't
specify
that
and
that's
where
Boston
can
not
only
be
a
Greener
City
with
more
shade,
especially
in
the
EJ
areas.
That
might
not
have
a
lot
of
shaded
areas,
but
that
can
further
support
pollinator
health
and
it
all
starts
with
this
little
box
of
bees.
So
Linden
was
the
point
of
my
comment.
Thank.
M
Well,
he's
yeah,
Linden
is
definitely
one
of
those
and
and
I
would
add
another
black
Locus
and
they
bloom
at
different
times.
So
black
locust
is
early
in
the
year
in
the
spring,
and
the
Linden
is
more
the
later
middle
of
summer.
So
and
there's
two
types
of
black
of
Linden
in
this
city,
two
versions,
but
those
two
trees
could
be
signature,
trees
for
sure.
L
And
I
think
in
some
discussions
of
the
the
tree
ordinance
that's
coming
up.
Black
Locus
is
considered
an
invasive,
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
been
amended
or
not,
but
that
should
be
kept
in
mind
because
it
is
native
to
the
United
States
even
to
Eastern
United
States.
But
it's
just.
It
is
a
very
aggressive
tree,
but
it
can
be
tamed
and
it's
an
important
nectar
source.
C
Great
thanks,
thank
you.
Bill
I
have
one
final
question
and
it's
to
uplift
sort
of
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
hear
you
know
the
we
brought
this
hearing.
We
brought
this
hearing
order
to
the
floor
last
fall
and
the
Boston
Globe
did
a
really
great
highlight
on
the
work
that
we
were
doing
and
a
great
highlight
on
Val
that
we
have
not
talked
about
today.
So
Val
I
would
love
it.
H
I
think
it's
been
covered
by
everyone,
but
I'll.
Just
recap:
yeah
a
few
years
back,
I
I've
been
thinking
about
beekeeping
for
a
long
time,
because
my
grandfather
was
a
beekeeper
and
I'd
had
I'd
always
heard
about
beekeeping,
since
I
was
a
little
kid,
but
I
was
really
busy
working,
I'm,
retired,
hired
now
and
I
said
to
Jim
Jim.
Why
don't
we
start?
You
know
we
don't
start
we
kept
talking
about
and
talking
about
it
and
then
finally,
I
I
found
Boston
area
beekeepers
and
that's
really
how
beekeepers
start
you.
H
It's
really
good
to
take
a
class,
so
you
can
learn
best
practices
and
you
know
just
how
to
just
The
Good,
the
Bad
and
the
Ugly
about
beekeeping.
So
I
took
a
class
at
Boston
beekeepers
with
Bill
and
Noah
taught
one
of
the
classes,
and
after
that
you
know,
I
after
that,
I
started
beekeeping
on
my
own
I
started
beekeeping
on
my
own.
So
that's
how
I
mean
it's
just
as
simple
as
that?
That's
how
I
got
started.
H
One
of
the
good
things
about
taking
a
class
is
that
we
can
set
you
up
with
a
mentor
so
that
you'll
have
someone
to
you
know
you,
because
beekeeping
every
day
and
beekeeping,
every
second
is,
is
different.
Beekeeping
is
not
only
National,
it's
regional,
it's
it's
different
in
each
neighborhood.
Sometimes
it's
different
from
house
to
house.
So
you
come
across
things
that
you
just
don't
know
how
to
navigate
and
having
a
mentor
is
is
good,
but
I
would
like
to
see
a
larger.
H
C
H
I
just
I
know:
people
say
that
people
are.
You
know,
somebody's
a
beekeeping
expert
I
just
want
to
say
that
from
what
I
know
about
bees,
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
an
expert,
the
only
creatures
who
are
experts
on
bees
are
bees
themselves.
I
can
study
something
about
bees
for
the
next
50
years
and
I.
Don't
think
I'll
ever
understand
everything
and
that's
why
it's
such
a
wonderful,
Hobby
and
interest,
because
it
just
keeps
you
it
just
you.
Never
you
never
lose
interest.
I
Well,
I'd
like
to
speak
on
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
and
Justice
issues
as
it
pertains
to
bees.
I
think
the
Boston
air
Beekeepers
Association
is
a
great
model
that
is
working
to
reflect
communities
and
there's
a
lot
more
work
to
do.
It's
the
newest
beekeeping
Club
in
Massachusetts,
which
is
a
very
old
school
type
of
Association,
going
back
to
I.
Think
Worcester
County
is
over
100
years
old
as
a
club,
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
white
guys
in
a
field
type
of
deal
and
so
with
Boston.
I
It's
really
helped
I
think
make
everybody
see
that
this
is
an
inclusive
practice.
Anybody
who
eats
food
needs
bees,
and
so,
at
least
with
the
best
beast
company
we're
a
proudly
certified
lgbtqia
plus
owned
company,
and
it's
a
safe
space
for
people
to
come
and
just
work
to
beautify
our
cities
and
and
I
wanted
to
just
say
that
so
people
know
this
is
a
welcoming
and
inclusive
practice
and
opportunity
for
jobs.
C
Awesome,
thank
you
know
if
there
are
no
other
comments.
I
just
want
to
thank
this
panel.
I
want
to
thank
you.
Bill
I
want
to
thank
you,
Val
Noah,
Larry
Jim,
who
is
here
virtually
because
I
think
what
you
just
said:
Noah,
making
sure
that
we
are
opening
the
doors
to
beekeeping,
not
only
because
of
the
benefits
environment,
but
as
a
justice
issue.
As
a
here's.
How
do
you
learn
about
the
environment?
C
C
We
will
be
in
touch
with
you
about
the
working
session
on
about.
We
have
I've
written
notes.
I
know
my
policy
director
has
written
notes
about
how
we
can
strengthen
the
ordinance,
and
so
we
thank
you
for
your
feedback,
because
Val
said
that
you
may
not
be
experts,
but
I
know
that
you
know
more
than
me
every
single
one
of
you
and
so
as
a
lawyer
and
legislator
and
here
to
write
the
laws,
but
they
must
be
informed
by
those
who
know
most
and
that's
all
of
you
so
I.
C
Thank
you
for
your
time.
You
can
we're
we're
now
going
to
turn
it
over
to
to
public
testimony
and
understand
that
there
is
one
person
who
is
here
for
public
testimony.
If
there's
anybody
here
who
wants
to
come
and
speak
public
testimony,
you
can
sign
up
or
raise
your
hand
and
Jesse
will
come
and
speak
to
you.
But
I
have
here
listed
for
public
testimony,
Melissa
hanningbian
and
you
can
now
come
to
the
mic
for
public
testimony,
and
you
have
have
two
minutes
to
do
so.
O
Excuse
me
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Melissa
I,
suppose
it's
very
fitting
that
I'm
offering
public
testimony
today,
because
the
name
Melissa
means
honey,
being
Greek.
I
will,
however,
however,
spare
everyone,
this
Council
chamber,
the
plethora
of
bee
buttons
that
I
could
make,
because
I
want
to
draw
attention
to
the
potential
consequences
of
State,
sanctioned
government
regulated
beekeeping
I
have
a
great
admiration
for
bees
as
a
species
and
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
all
the
benefits
of
beekeeping
that
were
discussed
here
today.
O
Our
world,
our
city
in
February,
2020,
Francisco,
Guzman
and
Saeed
Ahmed
of
seeing
the
reported
on
an
incident
in
Pasadena
California,
in
which
a
swarm
of
nearly
40
000
bees
attacked
police,
responding
to
a
single
beasting
report.
A
group
of
firefighters
were
responding
to
a
single
bee
sting
Pasadena
Pasadena
fire
departments,
public
information
officer,
Lisa
der
Darien
was
quoted.
Thusly
I've
been
with
the
fire
department
18
years
and
now
responded
to
several
B
incidents,
but
never
to
this
magnitude.
Five
people
total
were
reportedly
hospitalized.
O
Following
this
incident,
Matthew
Busco,
a
12-year
veteran
of
the
Pasadena
fire
department,
recalled
quote
screaming,
like
his
seven-year-old
daughter
end
quote.
While
bees
attacked
him
stung
him,
while
he
ran
for
his
life
intended
to
his
engineer,
who
was
allergic
to
bee
stings,
as
if
firefighters
didn't
already
have
an
exceptionally
challenging
job.
O
The
first
fighter,
who
were
fire
firefighter
ride
on
the
scene,
was
stung
17
times
in
2010
a
2010
article
from
Firehouse
magazine,
perhaps
foreshadowed
Local,
70
teams,
current
fight
to
remove
toxic
chemicals
from
firefighter
gear
in
Brevard
County
in
Florida,
firefighters
were
stung
by
by
bees,
while
they
extinguished
a
brush
fire.
Since
fire
gear
does
not
completely
cover
all
areas,
he's
found
a
way
to
get
into
their
suits
and
also
stung,
their
Exposed
Skin.
This
is
not
the
stereotype
bees
as
innately
aggressive.
O
The
idea
of
the
city
of
Boston,
potentially
sending
public
safety
personnel
to
literally
police
beekeeping
in
Boston,
seems
like
a
manifold
disaster
waiting
to
happen.
It
presents
potentially
devastating
harm
for
the
bees.
Boston
residents,
Boston,
firefighters,
police,
EMTs
and
just
even
unhoused
residents
in
Boston,
supporting
private
Enterprises
for
beekeeping
and
the
City
of
Boston
might
be
more
practical.
O
But
that's
why
you're
all
here
and
I
feel,
like
you
already
have
your
decision
made
about
what
you're
going
to
do
with
ordinances,
Boston's,
honeybees
and
residence
alike
will
not
benefit
from
local
government
regulations
that
give
the
government
pretext
to
Snoop
around
their
private
residences.
Consider
this,
when
city
of
Boston
Animal
Control
responds
to
calls
for
service
to
remove
dead
animal
carcasses.
O
Current
protocols
prohibit
Animal
Control
employees
from
entering
into
a
private
residence,
so
the
callers
are
asked
to
put
the
animal
carcass
on
the
sidewalk
or
in
the
public
ways
of
the
streets,
because
they're
not
going
to
come
up
even
on
your
porch,
while
the
power
and
control
imbued,
so
local
state
and
federal
governments
during
covid-19,
the
covid-19
pandemic
might
be
as
intoxicating
in
Swedish
honey.
Bees
have
been
around
for
nearly
130
million
years.
We've
already
figured
out
matriarchal
female
centers
social
structures.
O
Since
time
immemorial,
they
don't
need
oversight
and
assistance
and
basically
capitalistic
interference
from
the
city
of
Boston
or
any
of
the
lovely
business
owners.
Private
sector
people
here
today
you
know
who
could
use
resources
and
assistance,
though
the
residents
of
mass
and
Cass
and
low-income
working-class
households
all
over
the
city.
It
is
in
everyone's
interests.
O
If-
and
here
comes
the
bee
puns,
it
is
in
everyone's
interest
if
the
city
of
Boston,
just
let
the
beekeepers
be
basically
to
see
if
Boston
needs
to
mind
its
own
beeswax
and
I'll,
close
with
a
quote
by
a
tweet
from
dragonfly
Jones
seems
like
the
only
way
to
not
get
attacked
by
bees
is
to
be
cool
and
calm
around
them.
If
you're,
frantic
and
they'll
light
your
ass
up
and
I
guess
I
kind
of
respect,
how
they'll
beat
your
ass
for
up
the
vibe?
Thank
you.
C
N
N
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
public
testimony
with
their
with
there
be
no
more
public
testimony.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
I
want
to
thank
our
panel.
Thank
you
for
offering
your
operational
and
professional
insights
I
want
to
thank
my
staff,
particularly
Jesse
Purvis
policy
director
for
really
taking
the
lead
in
making
this
happen.
C
I
want
to
thank
the
administration,
could
both
Chris
and
and
Johnny,
who
were
here
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
you
and
want
to
thank
Central
staff
for
all
the
work
that
they
do
to
make.
These
hearings
happen
happen,
Christine,
even
Megan,
so
many
on
Central
staff
who
won
Ron,
who,
without
them
we
would
not
be
able
to
function
as
city
council.
C
So
thank
you
both
of
these
dockets,
both
the
text
Amendment
to
the
zoning
code
and
the
ordinance
will
remain
in
committee
for
us
to
have
a
working
session,
so
dockets
number
zero
one.
Three
eight
and
dockets
number
zero.
One.
Three
nine
will
remain
in
committee
and
we
will
follow
us
up
with
a
working
session
and
hopefully
be
able
to
get
this
out
of
committee
and
on
the
floor.
For
a
vote
pretty
soon,
so
thank
thank
you
again.
Everyone
and
this
hearing
is
now
adjourned.