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Description
Docket #0397 - Ordinance on surveillance oversight and information sharing
A
More
counselors
sign
on
good
afternoon
everyone,
I'm
city,
councilor,
lydia,
edwards,
a
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
It's
thursday
october
7th
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
working
session
on
docket,
0397,
ordinance
and
surveillance
oversight
and
information
sharing.
This
matter
is
sponsored
by
counselors
ricardo
royo
and
michelle
wu,
who
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
march
3rd
2021..
A
This
matter
is
a
refile
from
last
year
and
the
committee
dock
at
0-684
at
the
time,
and
the
committee
held
a
hearing
and
working
session
on
this
matter
in
2020.
The
committee
also
have
working
sessions
on
april,
22nd
and
august
19th
this
year,
in
accordance
with
chapter
20
of
the
acts
of
2021.
We're
modifying
our
open
meeting
laws
to
allow
for
us
to
have
this
working
session
via
zoom
public
may
watch
this
working
session
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov.
A
A
Chief
of
student
support
she'll
join
the
zumbi
hearing
to
provide
support
if
needed,
also
joining
the
committee.
The
hearing
today,
valeria
dovale
as
the
student
immigrant
movement
kade,
crockford,
director
of
technology
for
liberty
program
at
the
aclu
massachusetts
liz
mcintyre,
a
staff
attorney
director
of
the
school
prison
pipeline
intervention
project
at
greater
boston,
legal
services,
eliza
badger
as
senior
attorney
at
the
pear
project
and
nora
paul
schultz,
unafraid
from
unafraid
educators.
A
Then
we
will
see
how
I
guess
the
administrator
excuse
me
advocates
and
the
lead
sponsor,
I
should
say,
respond
to
those
and
then
we
will
go
to
see
if
there's
any
other
additional
edits
or
amendments.
If
you
will
so
counselor
royale
I'll,
kick
it
to
you
and
then
I
believe
you've
been
joined
by
councillor
braden
and
I
think
that
is
all
for
our
counselors
right
now,
I'm
missing
anyone.
My
apologies,
I'm
just
checking.
A
B
C
A
A
We
had
a
hearing
in
november
2020
and
then
working
sessions
on
december,
2020
april
of
2021
july
2021
august
of
2021
scheduled
and
then
today
in
october.
So
I
hope
that
means
to
most
people
how
serious
we're
taking
this
and
how
much
we
feel
the
back
and
forth
and
community
feedback
is
key
to
this.
So
this
is
one.
C
A
A
D
E
A
A
B
Perfect
and
that
that
this
makes
it
easier,
because
now
I
can
just
say
so-
the
first
edit
that
you
see
there
adds
the
words
while
allowing
for
appropriate
use
to
assist
in
the
charge,
improving
delivery
of
services
and
public
safety.
This
was
a
request
from
bpd
which
we've
incorporated
into
the
purpose.
B
B
There
right
so
this
is
the
surveillance
oversight
advisory
board.
If
you
remember,
or
you've
been
tagging
along
to
these
working
sessions,
we
had
sort
of
one
was
called
the
working
group
and
then
the
other
one
was
called
the
working
group,
but
they
both
have
very
different
goals.
So
this
one
we
changed
to
the
surveillance
oversight
advisory
board
because
it's
a
permanent
structure
in
the
way
that
it's
created
the
working
group
just
really
quickly
for
folks
paying
attention
and
trying
to
know
the
difference.
B
The
working
group
was
something
that
the
city
wanted
to
do,
which
we
applied
of
having
all
of
these
other
agencies
sort
of
in
departments
come
together
and
figure
out
how
they
could
sort
of
do
better
with
surveillance
oversight
and
come
to
some
findings
within
like
a
specific
amount
of
time
and
then
just
disband
the
surveillance
oversight.
Advisory
group
is
a
group.
B
We
made
changes
specifically
here
as
to
what
their
qualification
their
qualifications
should
be
for
the
ones
selected
by
the
mayor
at
least
one
should
be
an
academic
representative
with
expectation,
technology
and
public
policy
issues,
and
the
board
shall
serve
as
an
advisory
board
body
to
further
discussion
and
provide
recommendations
on
surveillance
issues
to
the
mayor.
So
that's
that's
what
that
is.
B
Very
helpful,
thank
you.
Whoever
that
was
central
staff
is
great,
so
the
applicability
section
here,
which
was
something
that
solved
many
many
edit
problems,
because
it
made
it
clear
that
what
these
all
apply
to
again
touches
on
all
of
the
departments
that
we
would
like
it
to
do.
We
took
out
the
only
here
and
made
clear
for
the
purpose
of
the
section.
The
word
city
shall
mean
all
city,
the
city
departments
and
agencies
listed
above.
B
B
We
added
this
section
this
so
following
situations
or
exceptions
and
exemptions
from
this
ordinance
number
one.
We
added
this
to
specify
which
departments
will
be
under
this
part
of
the
ordinance,
and
so
that's
that's
what
that
is
sorry,
the
part
above
it.
This
part
is
the
changes
that
are
new,
so
we're
okay
with
this
change,
but
we
want
to
change
accepted
to
exempted.
B
So
this
is
so
if
you
notice,
the
rest
of
the
sentence
is
blue.
It's
blue,
because
it's
a
new
edit
since
the
last
working
session.
So,
if
you're
paying
attention
to
this,
the
blue
is
a
new
new
edit
red
means.
It's
something
that
we've
already
discussed
has
already
come
up
at
the
last
working
session
or
in
the
past,
we're
okay.
With
this
change,
except
we
want
to
change
accepted
to
exemption.
B
B
B
A
B
So
here
there's
a
an
o
here,
which
is
devices
exclusively
capable
of
detecting
radiation.
We
changed
this
because
the
administration
of
bpd
requested
some
exceptions,
so
we
made
it
so
it
only
applies
to
tech
that
can
only
be
used
to
detect
radiation
versus
multi-function
attack
that
can
do
radiation
detection,
but
also
something
else.
So
instead
we
made
clear
that
if
it
only
detects
radiation,
then
it's
it's
exempt.
B
B
One
second:
let
me
just
get
my
my
notes
here,
so
the
administration
and
bpd
wanted
this.
This
is
part
of
the
advisory
board
that
will
make
recommendations
to
the
mayor.
If
we
decide
as
a
council
to
not
approve
a
surveillance
technology
purchase,
then
what
would
happen
is
if
the
student
council
does
not
approve
the
use
of
the
proposed
surveillance
capabilities.
B
That
request
that
they
made
to
us
that
we
voted
to
not
approve,
will
then
be
sent
to
the
surveillance
oversight
advisory
board,
which
we
detailed
above
they'll,
make
recommendations
to
the
mayor
about
what
could
be
changed
or
made
to
bring
it
in
line
subsequent
to
receiving
the
recommendations
from
the
surveillance
oversight,
advisory
board.
The
mayor
man
at
the
discretion
resubmits
a
modified
request
to
the
city
council
for
approval,
and
this
is
something
that
these,
the
surveillance
oversight
advisory
board
is
a
bpd
administration
request.
B
B
Under
that
is
the
surveillance
use
policy
same
thing.
Basically,
the
administration
bpd
requested
this.
We
added
language
to
create
a
process
by
which,
after
rejection,
the
technology
advisory
board,
which
will
then
study
the
problem
that
we
bring
up
or
that
are
brought
to
light
as
to
why
it
was
rejected,
and
then
they'll
recommend
action
to
the
mayor,
and
then
the
mayor
can
resubmit
to
the
council
for
approval.
B
So
if
you
go
down
and
last
again
on
the
floor
here,
this
is
a
request
that
they
made
that
the
administration
and
bpd
wanted
to
put
a
60-day
timeline
on
approvals
and
add
a
process
by
which
tech
can
come
back
before
the
council.
So
we
added
language
to
create
a
process
by
which,
after
rejection,
the
tech
can
be
sent
to
the
advisory
board,
which
will
study
the
problem.
Recommend
action
to
the
mayor
and
the
mayor
can
resubmit
for
approval,
and
this
also
adds
that
60-day
time
limit.
B
B
B
B
B
This
is
another
continuation.
If
you
go
down
to
c,
you
really
should
put
page
number
loans
c
e
b
c
there.
It
is
administration
and
bpd
want
to
put
a
60-day
timeline
on
approvals.
That's
what
this
is,
and
then
it
also
again
explains
the
way
in
which
it
goes
to
the
surveillance
oversight,
advisory
board.
B
B
Yeah
no
problem
c
is
another
change
that
they
wanted
to
make
that
we
agreed
to
here,
which
is
a
student,
is
in
possession
of
firearms
and
ammunition,
which
was
their
requests.
I
believe
it
was
a
bps
request.
It
might
have
been
bpd
and
bps,
but
basically
they
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
if
a
student
was
found
in
possession
of
ammunition,
that
is
another
thing
that
could
be
stored
and
shared
in
student
report.
So
that's
that's
an
addition
that
we
made
here.
B
If
you
see
d,
this
is
the
same
thing
this
this
one
was
a
student
unlawfully
possesses.
Originally
a
student
unlawful
who
possesses
or
uses
controlled
substances
provided
those
substances
are
not
marijuana,
nicotine,
alcohol
and
then
the
addition
here
at
the
request
of
bps
was
and
further
provided,
however,
that
a
school
police
officer
may
collect,
store
and
share
information
pertaining
to
unlawful
distribution
of
alcohol
or
marijuana.
When
a
student
has
unlawfully
distributed,
marijuana
or
alcohol
on
school
grounds
in
excess
of
the
following
amounts:
30
grams
marijuana
and
one
liter
for
alcohol.
B
B
B
So
this
is
the
transmission
of
information
pursuant
to
excision,
exigent
circumstances.
This
is
a
change
we
made
for
bpd
who
wanted
this
ability.
What
we've
done
here
is
we
said
within
24
hours
after
the
conclusion
of
the
excision
circumstance
or
within
24
hours
after
bps
personnel,
which
is
already
part
of
the
original
language
we've
given
them
a
window
here,
a
24-hour
window
in
which
the
student
and
their
family
does
not
need
to
be
informed.
We
figure
because
the
information
forming
of
family
and
students
is
pretty
pressing.
B
B
Moving
okay,
thank
you
I'll
I'll!
Just
keep
going
because
this
this
parts
there
we
go.
This
part's,
pretty
simple:
it's
just
the
applicability,
so
this
goes
directly
to
who
this
applies,
to
makes
it
very
clear,
spells
it
out
right
there,
the
following
city
departments
and
agencies,
and
that,
for
the
purposes
of
the
section,
the
word
city
shall
mean
city,
department,
cities,
city
departments
and
agencies
listed
above.
So
that's
that's
all
there.
B
And
then
just
to
be
clear,
why
we
added
before
the
purpose
of
this
section,
ward
city,
we
added
this
to
avoid
having
to
specify
the
boston,
housing
authority
and
the
boston
public
health
commission.
Each
time
we
speak
to
city
departments,
which
is
exactly
the
same
as
the
edit
we
made
earlier
in
the
document
it
just
consistency
throughout.
B
If
you
go
to
b,
we
made
the
timeline
here.
This
was
a
request
for
more
time
by
the
city.
They
originally,
I
think.
Originally.
This
was
12
months.
They
wanted
24
months,
but
we
believe,
because
there's
a
lead-in
to
implementation,
18
months
makes
more
sense,
and
so
within
18
months
of
the
effective
date
and
annually
thereafter,
that's
the
change.
The
only
change
here
is
the
lead
in
where
we've
expanded
the
amount
of
time
at
the
request
of
the
administration.
B
D,
this
is
again
a
request
by
the
administrations
to
amend
this
in
some
way,
and
so
we
did.
This
just
creates
a
process
or
adds
language.
Rather
that
creates
a
process
by
which,
after
rejection,
the
tech
can
be
sent
to
the
advisory
board
same
advisory
board.
We
just
talked
about
above,
which
would
then
recommend
action
to
the
mayor,
and
then
the
mayor
can
resubmit
for
approval,
so
it
gives
them
the
ability
to
have
something
that
we
reject
go
to
that
board.
B
If
you
go
down,
I'm
going
to
skip
past
the
blue
1663
9,
which
is
the
very
end
of
the
document.
This
is
the
working
group,
so
this
is,
as
we
said
before,
they
had
been
calling
both
of
these
a
working
group
to
me
and
I
think
to
everybody
else.
This
felt
more
traditionally
what
a
working
group
is,
because
it's
not
permanent,
so
that
is
essentially
what
a
working
group
does
they
work
and
then
they
complete
their
mission,
and
they
finish
so.
B
This
section
was
initially
suggested
by
the
office
of
new
urban
mechanics
and
it's
a
good
idea.
So
thank
you
to
them.
It
creates
working
groups,
specifically
that
will
be
tasked
with
identifying
a
set
of
priorities,
implementable
objectives,
to
increase
the
transparency,
accountability
and
engagement
around
the
public
deployment
of
technology
and
use
of
data
within
the
city
of
boston
departments
not
covered
by
this
ordinance.
If
you
go
down,
they
had
originally
written
that
are
represented
from
the
community
at
large,
with
no
process
for
selection.
B
We
added
that
the
individual
will
be
selected
by
the
student
immigration
movement,
and
so
that's
sim
for
folks
that
are
there.
The
reason
it's
just
sim
here
is
because
we
spelled
out
the
organization
higher
up
in
the
ordinance.
If
you
go
down
to
the
last
one,
which
is
f,
it
says
the
working
group
seat
shall
be
filled
within
one
month
of
the
ordinance
passage,
and
the
group
shall
convene
its
first
meeting
one
month
thereafter.
B
This
is
our
suggestion
to
make
sure
that
the
group
is
filled
quickly
and
the
recommendations
are
not
delayed,
and
so
that
that
allows
for
them
to
start
that
process.
That's
the
summary
of
pretty
much
all
of
the
changes
that
have
been
suggested
that
we've
worked
through.
We
I
think,
we've
had
two
working
sessions
on
this,
and
so
a
lot
of
this.
B
The
bulk
of
this
came
out
of
the
last
working
session
we
had,
which
I,
if
folks
don't
remember,
madam
chair
went
over
for
us
to
get
through,
and
so
we
got
most
of
these
in.
So
thank
you
for
that,
because
most
of
these
edits
most
of
this
work
was
done
then,
and
that's
that's
the
that's
where
it
stands
now.
There
was
some
blue
edits
in
here.
Those
are
edits
that
were
submitted
post,
that
working
session
post.
All
of
these
sort
of
changes
we've
already
made.
G
A
H
A
D
Madam
chair,
oh
great,
just
a
point
of
clarification,
clarification.
This
is
sharane
benford
emergency
management-
uh-huh,
I
will
be
presenting
specifically
as
it
relates
to
suggestions
and
edits
from
oem,
so
I
won't
be
presenting
as
a
whole,
but
just
to
provide
some
clarification
on
behalf
of
oem
and
I
believe
joe
wool
is
on
for
suggestions
and
edits
on
behalf
of
bha.
A
Okay,
so
then
I
will
just
go
to
blue
lettering
and
ask
who
put
the
edits
in
and
they
can
explain
them
so
the
first
set
of
blue.
What
one
second
yep,
if
you
can
go
back
up.
Thank
you
so
much
the
first
set
of
blue
edits.
We
have
council
royals.
I
think
suggested
that
this
was
something
for
the
administration
just
clarifying
a
little
bit
of
the
exempted
language.
A
I
Good
good
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
council,
I'm
happy
to
take
this
one.
It's
bha
and
the
health
commission,
I'm
not
sure
if
tyranny
is
on,
but
I
do
see
that
ems
is
on
as
well,
so
they
may
also
chime
in
oh
there
we
go
so
so
I'll
just
say
briefly
and
then,
if
the
health
commission
wants
to
add
as
well,
this
is
really
just
for
these.
Edits
are
really
for
consistency.
I
We
weren't
entirely
clear
that
this
was
the
case
for
this
section,
so
the
the
additions
here
would
just
be
for
the
similar
purpose,
as
the
city
might
use.
It
cameras
just
audio
visual
feed
right
to
protect
just
the
city
property.
Similarly,
the
bha
and
I
gathered
the
health
commission
thought
there
were
a
couple
of
there
were
a
couple
of
areas
where
that
would
be
important
for
property.
That
is
not
actually
owned
by
the
city
of
boston
and
it's
mirroring
the
exemption.
I
I
think
you
know,
for
the
bha's
purposes,
I'll
just
say
that
there
are
certainly
a
lot
of
requests
from
residents
from
abutters,
from
sometimes
from
public
officials
to
make
sure
we
can
provide
public
safety
there.
The
cameras
that
are
in
use-
and
you
know
to
the
extent
that
they're
added
they're
really
external
to
the
building
or
entryways
and
access
points.
I
So
I
would
not
interpret
this
language
to
permit
more
extensive,
either
audio
video
use
that
implicates
resident
privacy
or
or,
alternatively,
for
other
functions
right,
which
I
think
this
section
clearly
states
that
if
there
were
added
capacities
or
features
that
that
would
then
that's
above
the
level
of
the
exemption
here.
So
I
think
I'll
stop
there
and
if,
unless
there's
any
questions
and
from
the
council
or
if
the
health
commission
wants
to
iterate
any
other
point.
J
Sure
so,
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name,
is
tierney
flaherty,
I'm
the
director
of
intergovernmental
relations
at
the
boston,
public
health
commission,
I'm
here
with
laura
siegel
from
boston
ems.
So,
similarly
to
bha
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reaffirm
that
you
know
boston.
Public
health
commission
is
an
independent
public
agency
created
by
an
act
of
the
legislature,
so
the
edits
we
requested
here
under
sections,
k,
m
and
n
are
just
to
ensure
that
these
exemptions
also
apply
to
boston,
public
health,
commission
and
boston
commission
property.
B
And
I
would
just
say
which
you
know:
maybe
these
this
specific
group
should
have
been
handled
together.
But
if
you
go
up
to
applicability,
we
added
the
for
the
purpose
of
the
section,
the
word
city,
so
many
city
departments
and
agencies
listed
above
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
through,
because
it's
big
right,
these
are
the
one
through
like.
I
think
we
went
through
most
of
the
alphabet
to
not
have
to
add
in
all
of
the
repeated
references
to
the
bha
and
the
boston
public
health
commission.
C
K
Hi,
laura
siegel
from
boston
ems
good
afternoon,
I'm
the
chief
of
staff
at
boston,
ems,
which
is
a
bureau
of
the
boston
public
health
commission.
As
you
can
see,
we
are
requesting
an
additional
item
to
be
added
to
the
list
of
exemptions.
In
this
section.
Specifically,
we
are
looking
to
exempt
radio
frequency,
identification
or
rfid
technology
used
by
the
boston
public
health
commission
for
disaster.
Patient
tracking.
This
is
a
narrow
use
of
specific
technology
for
a
particular
purpose.
K
Ems
used
the
system
in
a
number
of
circumstances,
notably
to
support
injured
runner
tracking
at
the
boss
marathon,
which
proved
valuable
for
supporting
family
reunification
in
the
immediate
aftermath
of
the
2013
bombings.
After
extensive
research,
bosnia
has
determined
that
rfid
readers
installed
in
ambulances
could
be
used
to
track
disaster
patients
assigned
wristbands
with
rfid
chips
for
the
purpose
of
logging,
their
movement
from
the
ambulance
to
the
hospital
and
into
the
regional
patient
tracking
system,
freeing
up
ems
resources.
K
In
this
time
of
critical
situations,
we
received
approval
to
use
urban
area
security
initiative,
funding
to
procure
rfid
readers
for
installation
in
our
ambulances.
The
proposed
rfid
complement
of
the
patient
tracking
system
is
currently
out
to
rfp,
with
the
expectation
that
the
selected
vendor
will
interface
with
the
existing
emergency
tracking
system.
The
use
of
the
technology
is
consistent
with
existing
privacy
practices
in
the
healthcare
industry
and
the
association
between
the
rfid
chip
number
and
the
patient's
name
will
only
be
made
in
the
hipaa
secure
regional
patient
tracking
system.
K
D
Good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
respected
members
of
the
council
and
other
parties,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
with
regards
to
shame,
benford
office
of
emergency
management.
I'm
joined
with
nancy
anderson,
the
deputy
in
the
office
and
with
respect
with
respects
to
queue
we
raise
the
office
of
emergency
management
as
an
exemption
here
with
regards
to
camera
access
during
partial
end
or
full
activations,
based
on
how
we
operate
the
emergency
operations
center.
D
What
we,
what
we
rely
on
is
a
slate
of
clamors
cameras
that
are
identified
by
the
lead
agency
and
in
most
cases
it
is
the
police
department
and
identifying
which
cameras
are
going
to
be
viewed
based
on
the
intelligence
and
the
impact
area
for
which
we're
going
to
be
activating
and
or
activity
is
going
to
be
taking
place.
So
it
is
very
narrow
in
scope.
When
we
activate
the
elc,
it
is
cameras
that
are
identified
through
our
relevant
real-time
information,
in
terms
of
which
cameras
are,
we
are
going
to
be
viewing.
F
F
Probably
for
obvious
reasons.
You
know,
the
purpose
of
this
ordinance
is
to
provide
the
public
as
well
as
residents
are
our
democratically
elected
representatives
on
the
city
council,
the
opportunity
not
only
to
understand
how
surveillance
systems
work
in
the
city
of
boston
and
who
can
access
surveillance
data
under
what
circumstances,
but
also
to
exert
a
measure
of
democratic
control
over
those
processes.
So
those
decisions
are
not
made
behind
closed
doors
by
administration
officials
without
any
public
input
or
oversight
or
accountability.
F
What
it
will
require
is
that
the
city
tells
the
council
and
the
public
what
those
circumstances
are
right
when
the
city
will
seeks
to
make
camera
access
available
to
folks
at
the
office
of
emergency
management.
The
emergency
operations
center,
so,
in
other
words,
we'll
require
that
there's
a
public
framework
that's
approved
for
that
kind,
kind
of
information
access,
not
that
in
each
individual
instance.
F
When
the
cameras
need
to
be
accessed,
the
council
has
to
approve
that
individual
request,
so
in
other
words,
it's
the
creation
of
a
framework
and
the
approval
of
a
framework
instead
of
a
requirement
that
each
individual
time
the
eoc,
wants
access
to
view
a
surveillance
camera
and
that
approval
for
the
council.
So
you
know
for
those
reasons
and
others
we
we
strongly
object
to
this.
A
I
don't
I
I'm
not
sure
if
you
were
familiar
with
the
the
next
section,
but
it
does
allow
for
temporary
just
go
ahead
and
using
in
exigent
circumstances
and
then,
of
course,
a
report
that
comes
after
the
fact.
So
I
see
you
counselor
flaherty
has
also
joined
us
as
well.
I
didn't
know
if
you
just
wanted
me
to
acknowledge
counsel
flirty.
If
you
want
me
to
direct
import
opening
statement
or
if
you
had
a
question.
E
Thank
you
man
I
want
to
like.
I
would
like
to
get
a
specific
example
of
sort
of
what
we're
talking
about
here,
we're
talking
about
sort
of
the
emergency
management
sort
of
during
the
parade
celebrations.
For
example,
where
you
know
there
was
video
surveillance
of
folks
climbing
up
on
light
poles
and
smashing
windows
and
stuff
like
that,
or
is
this
sort
of
related
to
the
function
of
bragdon
street,
which
is
sort
of
the
epicenter
of
emergency
management.
A
And
that
would
mean
that
there's
no
access
to
that
information
because
we're
exempting
it
from
the
ordinance
and
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
or
what
I'm
noting
is
that
this
ordinance
already
deals
with
extinguished
circumstances
in
the
following
section
that
allows
for
our
office
of
emergency
management.
Excuse
me
yes
and
bpd
to
move
if
they
need
to
on
with
technology
if
they
need
to,
but
they
need
to
then
turn
around
and
report
that.
So
I
I
my
question
was:
isn't
that
meeting
the
need
of
the
moment
for
public
safety
purposes
or
extra
circumstances?
D
Ma'am,
if,
if
I
could
add
for
the
benefit
of
the
chair
and
the
counselor
just
by
weight
of
example
and
additional
testimony,
I
think
it's
also
important.
You
know
to
provide
those
real
world
examples
in
real
time,
practical
ways
in
which
we
have
to
use
the
center,
and
I
think,
to
the
council's
question
around
exigency.
D
I
did
note
that,
following
section-
and
I
believe,
exigency
speaks
for
itself,
but
there
are
times
when
public
safety
and
using
those
cameras
are
equally
as
important
that,
in
the
moment
of
planning,
does
not
meet
the
meet
the
level
of
exigency,
but
nonetheless
doesn't
undermine
the
importance
of
it.
I
eat
a
marathon,
so
it's
important
and
critical
that
we
have
that
technology
and
use
it
for
activations.
D
During
an
example
like
the
marathon,
where
we're
working,
hard
and
endeavoring
to
prevent
that
exigency
and
then
there
are
those
unfortunate
examples
where
we
know
history
tied
to
the
marathon
can
give
us
an
example
of
and
exigency
when
we
need
it
instantly,
you
need
to
have
it.
So
those
are
just
again
two
practical
examples
of
how
we
use
it.
For
pre-planning
of
major
events
for
a
major
city
and
also
recognizing
that,
following
section
around
exigency.
A
I'll
direct
you
to
the
definition
of
exigent
circumstances
in
the
ordinary
exigent
circumstances
are
defined,
as
the
exiting
circumstances
means
the
police,
commissioner,
or
the
police
commissioner's
designees
good
faith
and
reasonable
belief
that
emergency
involving
danger
of
death,
physical
injury
or
significant
property
damage
or
loss
similar
to
those
that
would
render
it
impracticable
to
obtain
a
warrant
requires
the
use
of
surveillance
technology
or
surveillance
data.
It
provides
the
use
of
surveillance
technology
and
exegetive
circumstances
shall
not
infringe
upon
an
individual's
right
to
peacefully
protest
or
exercise
other
lawful
and
protected
constitutional
rights.
A
So
it's
defining
it
as
a
good
faith,
reasonable
belief
that
an
emergency
of
danger
of
death,
physical
injury
or
property
damage.
I
think
that
that
would
come
under
and
include
the
pop
public
safety
concerns
that
you
have
again.
It's
not
stopping
access
in
that
moment.
What
we're
saying
in
the
execution
of
exited
circumstances
section
is
that
there
would
be
a
report
and
transparency
after
the
fact.
D
Fair
enough
and
there
there
are
no
questions,
certainly
from
our
seat
with
regards
to
reporting
and
accountability,
and
I
appreciate
your
clarification
with
regards
to
exigency
in
the
definition
under
the
language
to
you
know.
You
know
various
different
applications
of
exigency,
but
I
respectfully
you
understand
and
appreciate
your
clarification
on
exigency
as
it
relates
to
this.
Typically,
it's
more
in
the
moment,
as
opposed
to
pre-planning,
but
I
do
appreciate
your
explanation
of
that
man.
A
F
So
another
way
of
saying
that
is
that
if
the
policy,
the
surveillance
report,
the
description
of
the
surveillance
technology
that
is
provided
to
the
council
that
is
approved
includes
something
that
says
the
office
of
emergency
management's
emergency
operations
center
center
shall
access
the
surveillance
cameras
during
large
scale.
Events,
when
you
know
a
wider
security
response
is
necessary
throughout
the
city
and
that
policy
is
approved
by
the
council.
F
L
Thank
you
counselor,
my
camera's,
not
working.
For
some
reason.
I
apologize.
I
just
I
want
to
thank
everybody,
for
you
know
the
amount
of
work.
The
time
and
effort
that's
gone
into
this.
You
know
it's.
It's
been
a
process,
we've
all
been
working
for,
and
I
appreciate
the
changes
that
haven't
made.
You
know
the
department
has
suggested,
but
this
discussion
on
exits
and
circumstances
just
and
the
cameras
just
raised
a
question
for
me.
So
you
know
it's
by
the
definition
means
the
police.
Commissioner,
commission
is
designee
good
faith,
reasonable
belief.
L
The
emergency
involvement
exists.
So
now,
with
the
cameras,
if
we
have
another
city
department
that
has
cameras
in
the
department,
the
police
commissioner,
determines
his
extras
and
circumstances
is
that
other
department,
city
agency
or
department,
by
the
ordinance
they
have
to
comply
with
the
police
commissioner's
decision.
This
is
edges
and
circumstances
and
then
provide
access
to
the
cameras.
L
A
A
So
if
the,
if,
if
someone,
if
the
police
commissioner
were
to
say-
and
I'm
making
this
up
the
chief
of
oem's
emergency
monday
response,
I
I'm
just
making
it
up
if
they
were
to
say
that
I
think
that
this
ordinance
allows
for
the
police.
Commissioner
to
say
this
person
could
make
that
good
faith
decision.
A
D
A
D
I
guess
that
that
ma'am,
that
I
guess
that
could
possibly
be
considered-
you
know
possible
an
area
of
further
clarification
and
or
authority
granted
to
the
commission
to
ensure
that
those
departments
are
binding
to
abide
by.
I
know,
typically
when
we
talk
about
the
police
commission
or
his
designee,
it's
usually
directing
within
the
department,
as
opposed
to
externally
outside
the
department.
A
I
think
so
in
terms
of
the
this
ordinance,
it
is
giving
a
certain
level
of
authority
but
standard
bearing
in
that
decision
with
this
ordinance,
I
I
think-
and
again
it's
not
it's
not
about
your
operations.
It's
really
just
the
the
camera
footage
and
whether
there
was
an
exigent
circumstances
or
not
for
you
to
use
a
new
technology
that
wasn't
approved
and
it's
after
the
fact,
and
it
doesn't
prevent
you
from
doing
your
job
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
I
understand
you're
you're
saying:
can
they
direct
or
not
direct?
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
if
superintendent
denim,
I
can
just
stay
with
me
on
this
one.
So
I
just
want
to
see
how
this
would
play
out
sort
of
in
the
amy
lord
situation
or
the
olivia
ambrose
situation,
where,
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time,
boston,
police
and
other
cooperating
agencies
had
to
pull
together
video
from
a
whole
different
variety
of
sources.
E
Obviously,
there
was
city
cameras,
housing
cameras,
bank
cameras,
etc
to
be
able
to
catch,
who
brutally
murdered
amy
lord
and
to
catch
the
predator,
who
was
who
had
kidnapped
olivia
ambrose
so
again,
real
time
in
a
short
period
of
time,
a
collaboration
of
efforts
was
able
to
pull
together,
footage
to
be
able
to
to
to
to
bring
amy
lloyd's
murderer
to
justice,
but
also
to
to
find
olivia
ambrose
alive.
Does
what
we're
doing
here?
Does
any
of
that
impede
any
of
that
ability
to
do
that?
E
I
guess
is
my
question.
We've
talked
about
the
marathon.
We
talked
about
parade
celebrations.
I
don't
want
lost
on
anyone
here
that
september
11th
was
launched
from
logan
airport.
All
of
that,
aside
in
those
particular
two
cases-
amy
lord
and
olivia
ambrose,
would
this
impact
our
ability
to
get
that
information
quickly
to
make
an
apprehension
into
a
to
find
someone
kidnapped
alive
in
in
a
timely
fashion.
F
A
No,
it
does
not
again.
This
is
about
the
transparency.
After
the
fact
that's,
and
that
would
be,
I
believe,
clearly
an
accident
circumstance
and
there's
deadlines
set
in
here
for
how
we
would
know
that
information
was
ultimately
acquired.
After
the
fact,
it's
a
transparency
ordinance,
it's
an
ordinance
about
how
we're
being
watched
and
then
what?
If
there
is
any
proactive
aspect
of
this
ordinance,
it's
if
and
when
bpd
or
other
aspects
of
the
named
organizations
named
agencies
wish
to
acquire
additional
surveillance
technology
that
has
been
processed
for
public
discourse.
A
In
this,
that
is
proactive,
but
in
the
moment,
with
the
cameras
that
are
already
existing
or
with
whatever
technology
is
already
existing
or
they
acquire
something
new
in
the
moment.
The
moment
moves
and
that
this
does
not
change
that,
but
there
will
need
to
be
an
explanation
as
to
what
and
how
people
were
watching
how
we
got
there
to
the
public.
If
this
is
new
technology
that
doesn't
exist
and
and
was
used
to
monitor
and
survey.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
a
bit
revisiting
the
something
we're
discussing
a
moment
ago,
but
just
to
some
of
the
discussion
with
chief
benford
and
superintendent
sullivan
regarding
the
exigent
circumstance,
because
I
understand
that
there's
an
intent
to
align
the
external
separate
agencies
with
city
policy
wherever
possible.
Here,
I
think
bha
is
happy
to
be
a
partner
with
that,
but
just
one
one
other
thought
on
this
is
right.
So
we
have
a
separate
housing
police,
the
chief
of
housing
police,
doesn't
report
to
the
police.
I
Commissioner,
I
think
we
would
similarly,
in
the
spirit
of
sort
of
supporting
the
mayor's
office
of
complying
with
this,
you
know
also
want
to
be
transparent
wherever
possible,
but
it
does.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
question
of
the
structure
of
authority
in
that.
Just
given
that
there's
just
a
bit
of
the
the
chain
of
command
is
a
bit
different
and
it
it's
it's.
A
police
there's
certainly
an
interaction
there,
but
just
that
it
may
be
anyway.
A
I
think
we
noted
that
there's
sometimes
investigations
that
last
a
little
longer
and
footage
that
is
still
being
reviewed
and
technology
is
still
going
on
to
allow
for
the
investigation
and
for
the
surveillance
to
continue.
So
I
just
wanted
people
to
know
this.
This
was-
and
this
was
absolutely
disgusting-
they're
early
in
the
last
working
session,
which
almost
four
hours
where
we
went
through
this
a
great
deal
and
that's
the
next
section
number
three.
A
But
again
there
are
30
days
where
the
commissioner
or
the
reporting
agency
would
just
give
a
technology
specific
surveillance,
news
policy
within
30
days.
At
the
end
of
the
exigent
circumstances.
Let
me
repeat
at
the
end
of
the
circuit
emergency
exit
circumstances,
so
it
could
be
that
it
is
longer
than
when
the
moment
happens
that
30
days
after
it
ends
there
needs
to
be
report
given
and
that
there
could
still
be
an
extension
given
if
necessary.
A
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
so
I
think
I
understand
what
joel
is
saying,
which
is
that
the
exigency
framework
is
fine.
It
sounds
like
what
he's
worried
about
is
that,
because
it
specifically
names
bpd
and
the
boston
housing
authority,
police
is
not
a
part
of
bpd
that
it
might
need
to
reference
the
boston,
housing
authority
police
as
well,
so
that
they
have
the
same
exigency
authority
and
the
aclu
does
not
object
to
that.
F
Right,
I
think
that's.
The
concern
is
not
so
much
what
the
exit
exigency
means,
which
is
like
it
sounds
like
everybody's
cool,
with
that
it's
more
just
like
who
it
applies
to,
and
the
aclu
does
not
object
to
adding
the
boston,
housing
authority's
police
department
there
we're
fine
with
that
joel.
Does
that
address
your
concern?
Is
that
what
you're
talking
about
yeah.
I
Yeah-
and
I
see
that
the
health
commission
may
also
want
to
weigh
in
on
this,
but
I
guess
I
would
just
also
point
out
that
some
parts
of
this
we
are
complying
basically
because
of
a
a
request
from
the
mayor's
office
that
would
come
to
us.
So
if
the
intent
is
for
external
safety
agencies
to
provide
a
similar
level
of
disclosure,
then
because
the
city
doesn't
regulate
our
procurement
process,
it
may
just
be
or
acquisition
purchasing,
etc.
I
F
J
Yeah
and
thank
you
joel
for
raising
this
and
thank
you
kade
for
just
you
know,
laying
it
out
so
clearly
for
us.
It's
the
same
issue
where
we
completely
you
know,
understand
and
appreciate
the
the
provisions
of
this
section,
we'd
just
like
to
clarify
that
bphc
public
security,
along
with
vpd,
can
temporarily
acquire
this
technology
and
exigent
circumstances.
A
B
A
D
A
C
D
That
is
correct,
ma'am
and,
and
the
reason
for
the
reason
for
the
ask
is
based
on
how
the
office
is
constituted,
which
may
be
a
separate
conversation.
But
you
know
this
office
is
a
city
of
boston
department,
but
it
also
has
a
dual
mandate
of
supporting
as
the
fiduciary
in
the
administrative
support
for
the
nbhsr,
which
includes
eight
other
jurisdictions.
So
the
you
know
the
provision
where
it
talks
about
the
acquisition
of
surveillance
and
technology
could
adversely
affect
other
cities
and
towns
that
are
party
to
that
region.
D
D
No
because
I
mean
we
go
through
the
accepting
spending
hearing,
my
concern
is:
is
that
by
having
it
by
having
us
blanketly
covered
under
this,
without
some
level
of
recognition
of
the
role
that
we
play
and
support
in
the
region
that
it
could
adversely
affect
the
ability
of
based
on
what
our
mandate
is,
the
the
ability
of
the
region
to
procure
certain
goods
and
services
that
may
have
benefit
outside
the
city
of
boston,
I.e.
One
of
the
other
eight
jurisdictions.
F
So
the
aclu
strongly
objects
to
to
this
exemption.
This
blanket
exemption
of
oem
one
of
our
primary
concerns.
I
mean,
among
the
reasons
that
we
elected
to
include-
and
the
sponsors
elected,
to
include
oem
as
one
of
the
agencies
that
is
covered
by
this
ordinance
is
the
fact
that
there
is
effectively
no
real
oversight
of
what
goes
on
through
the
metro,
boston,
homeland
security
region
surveillance
acquisition
process,
principally
because
of
its
distributed
nature
right.
It
is
a
multi-city
engagement
and
that
is
part
of
what
concerns
us.
F
You
know
we
don't
have
a
county
government
in
massachusetts
anymore,
so
in
some
other
states
where
these
grant
programs
are
operational,
there's
a
county
government
that
has
elected
officials
that
can
review
at
a
county-wide
level.
You
know
what
the
plans
are
for
surveillance
and
information
sharing.
You
know
how
much
money
is
being
spent,
whether
the
technologies
are
performing
as
as
desired,
whether
there's
a
public
safety
benefit
to
the
use
of
the
technologies,
whether
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties
are
being
violated,
etc.
F
But
we
don't
have
a
county
government
in
massachusetts,
and
so
there
is
no
way
for
anybody
really
who's.
An
elected
official
to
have
meaningful
control
over
what's
going
on
here,
except
for
the
mayor
of
boston
and,
of
course,
the
the
goal
of
this
ordinance
is
to
redistribute
some
of
that
authority
and
transparency
to
the
city
council
and
therefore
to
give
members
of
the
public
more
access
and
more
control
over
what's
going
on
in
our
communities.
F
So
the
vast
majority,
at
least
as
far
as
I
understand,
of
the
surveillance
technology,
that's
operational
on
the
streets
of
boston
comes
through
this,
this
very
program,
the
surveillance
cameras,
the
shot,
spotter
devices,
etc,
and
so
if,
if
the
council
were
to
elect
to
exclude
oem
from
the
requirements
of
this
ordinance,
it
would
effectively
be
excluding
from
the
requirements
of
transparency,
accountability
and
oversight.
The
vast
majority
of
surveillance
that
takes
place
on
our
public
streets,
you
know-
and
that's
that's
why
it's
untenable.
D
Thank
you,
kate,
for
sharing
that
information.
And
again
I
just
point
out
that
we
do
have
the
accept
and
expend
hearing-
and
you
know,
while
in
some
instances,
depending
upon
who's
having
the
conversation
and
what
the
context
of
it
is
the
construct
and
the
way
that
our
office
is
set
up,
may
not
be
ideal,
but
nonetheless
that
is
one.
You
know
one
dynamic
that
we
have
to
manage
too.
D
So
it
may
be
a
broader
conversation
that
you
know
that
that
enjoys
the
benefit
of
you
know
other
areas
and
other
amendments.
That
may
take
a
look
at
that,
but
that
is
our
reality
and
again
that
point
out
the
acceptance
spend
and
the
ability
of
the
region
to
be
able
to
move
forward
and
having
a
conversation
around
what
might
be
appropriate.
You
know,
management
of
the
region
could
be
a
separate
conversation,
but
that
is
our
reality.
L
L
L
A
A
D
Ma'am,
I
would,
I
would
only
put
out
that
bpd
does
have
strong
relationships,
but
they
don't
have
that
organizational
mandate
across
the
nine
jurisdictions
and
based
on
the
way.
You
know
this
is
a
city
boston
ordinance.
So
if,
in
a
worst
case
scenario,
technology
wasn't
approved
to
be
purchased,
but
it
you
know,
under
the
spirit
of
partnership,
as
the
superintendent
mentions.
D
Does
that
hold
up
the
entire
purchase
for
the
entire
region
as
opposed
to
a
postural
position
that
says
that
boston
is
not
going
to
participate
in
it,
but
because
of
our
mandate
we
may
be
procuring.
We
may
be
referring
resources
and
goods
that
benefit
the
entire
region,
and
that's
that's
the
larger
concern
and
I
do
share
and
concur
with
the
superintendent
that
the
implications
you
know
on
our
ability
to
maintain
those
strong
partnerships
that
help
us
secure.
Our
city
and
region
could
be.
D
F
F
You
know,
here's
how
we
plan
to
use
them,
and
the
council
says
you
know
what
we
actually
don't
want
that
to
be
used
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
but
we're
not
going
to
stand
in
oem's
way
if
it
wants
to
obtain
this
technology
and
give
it
to
the
quincy
police
department,
for
example.
That's
something
that
the
the
city
council
could
absolutely
do.
F
D
Okay,
if
I
could
ma'am,
I
would
just
say
I
think,
madam
chair.
I
think
that
that's
helpful
context,
kate
and
if
I
could
advocate,
I
think
that
it
may
be
helpful
and
really
proactive
to
say
that
I
think
that
there
is
trepidation
with
our
partners
as
based
on
the
language
and
how
it's
constructed,
and
we
have
had
some
recent
experience
with
you
know
with
this.
You
know
over
the
summer,
but
I
think
it
could
be
helpful
to
proactively
say
that
and
again
in
the
spirit
of
transparency
and
accountability.
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
just
want
to
make
clear
because
kade
and
others
have
already
handled
this,
but
the
entire
purpose
of
the
surveillance
or
oversight
running
for
me
is
to
protect
the
constitutional
rights
and
the
privacy
and
things
that
folks
are
entitled
to
in
the
city
of
boston
residents
of
the
city
of
boston.
My
constituents,
an
argument
based
around
what
happens
in
quincy
or
what
happens
in
revere
or
what
happens
in
everett,
doesn't
make
me
any
more
likely
to
want
to
allow
for
us
to
not
have
oversight
or
transparency
about
how
things
are
done.
B
That
impact
the
city
of
boston,
and
so
the
question
that
I've
heard
repeatedly
here
is:
we
have
partnerships
with
these
outside
small
municipalities,
and
if
you
do
this,
if
you
make
it
so
that
we
have
to
have
some
transparency
or
oversight
in
the
city
of
boston
and
what
happens
to
quincy,
I'm
concerned
about
what
happens
to
the
city
of
boston,
I'm
concerned
about
how
we
do
this
and
frankly,
from
where
I'm
at
q
and
r
are
not
amendments
that
I
would
want
in
here.
I
think
we
spent
a
lot
of
amount
of
time
on
this.
B
I
think
it's
been
frustrating
to
me
to
see
that
folks
came
here
without
an
understanding
of
the
actual
document
itself
and
the
next
agency
that
it
already
provides
for,
and
so
in
terms
of
time,
because
this
is
just
to
be
clear-
the
third
working
session
that
we've
had
here.
I
would
love
it
if
we
could
just
keep
moving
on
on
this
moving
forward,
because
these
kinds
of
additions
with
blanket
exceptions,
because
it
may
or
may
not
impact
quincy
like
this
stuff.
B
This
actually
for
me,
is,
is
not
even
worth
discussing
in
the
context
that
we've
discussed
it,
and
I
appreciate
that
folks
have
brought
it
up,
but
I
do
think
that
folks
have
handled
it.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
instances
in
which
you
have
very
definitely
brought
folks
back
to
the
parts
of
this
this
ordinance.
I
appreciate
your
in-depth
understanding
of
this
ordinance
and
I
I
really
do
apply
it.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
just
try
to
make
two
quick
points.
So
if,
if
you
paid
attention
to
the
you
know,
the
news
accounts
both
locally
and
across
the
country
at
all,
you'll
see
that
across
the
country,
murder
in
violent
crime
is
has
increased
dramatically
just
about
everywhere
across
the
country,
except
for
in
the
city
of
boston.
L
It's
not
contained
to
one
community,
the
other.
It
goes
back
and
forth.
It
goes
across.
You
know,
it's
not
limited.
We
can't
work.
We
can't
have
the
success
that
we
have
without
all
of
our
local
partners
working
hand
in
hand,
and
we
just
have
to
keep
that.
We
have
to
keep
a
balance.
Here
is
what
I,
what
I'm
trying
to
there
has
to
be
a
balance
between
surveillance
oversight
and
maintaining
public
safety.
I'm
not
saying
we
can't
have
surveillance
oversight.
We
just
have
to
maintain
a
balance
of
the
two
where
we
pre.
L
A
A
You
have,
in
the
exigent
circumstances
that
you
are
obviously
providing
mutual
aid
for
where
you
may
have
to
require
something
and
we've
we've
allowed
for
that
and
use,
and
for
as
long
as
you
need
it
honestly,
as
as
until
the
exit
circumstances
are
over.
So
if
you
need
to
hurry
and
get
something
you
can
to
protect
people
and
just
simply
submit
a
report
after
the
fact,
so
I
don't
know,
and
obviously,
if
it's
even
to
protect
people
regionally.
A
So
I
don't
know
that
this
exemption,
I
don't
think
it
makes,
makes
sense
with
the
spirit
of
this
ordinance
and
I'm
hap.
I
think
we
would
all
be
happy
to
entertain
if
you
think
you
could
thread
the
needle
a
little
better
something,
but
I
I
I
don't
know
that
as
written
as
this
amendment's
going
to
work
just
moving
on
to
s,
because
I
did
want
to
leave
some
time
for
additional
things
that
we
don't
know
that
people
have,
if
that's
okay,
counselor
arroyo.
Thank
you.
A
F
A
All
right,
so
I
know
superintendent
had
his
hand
up
on
the
last
one.
Then
I'm
also
opening
this
up
for
other
folks
as
well.
I
think
the
chief
she
started
earlier-
and
I
see
I
see
also
it's
very
confusing
to
me
because
it
says
nancy
anderson
as
the
person
who's
speaking
but
and
to
to
come
in
and
and
be
able
to
speak
on
oem
and
make
make
kind
of
a
freefall
of
suggestions
and
concerns.
A
D
Very
briefly,
man
thank
you
and
I
apologize
for
the
confusion.
We've
had
some
technology
over
here.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
posture
and
you
know
helping
us
out
to
work
towards
the
middle.
I
also
want
to
appreciate
the
other
contributors
and
kate
for
offering
some
perspective
to
help
frame
thinking.
D
L
L
Section
a1
c:
that's
where
the
student
is
in
possession
of
firearms
and
ammunition.
So,
regarding
the
student
reports,
so
I
know
we
had
a
discussion
about
dangerous
weapons
and
I'm
I'm
disappointed
not
to
see
anything
in
there
about
dangerous
weapons,
because
I
just
what?
What
is
the?
What
are
the
school
police
officers
to
do
when
you
know
there's
a
state
statute?
You
know
269
10,
that
you
know
there's
a
whole
list
of
dangerous
weapons.
You
know
from
stilettos
daggers
nunchucks.
You
know
blackjacks
metallic
knuckles.
L
L
L
Yet
there
is
no
provision
for
a
student
report
being
created
when
a
if
a
student
is
found
in
possession
of
a
dangerous
weapon,
and
you
know
a
dangerous
weapon.
You
know,
I
think
it
was
disgust.
Anything
can
be
used
as
a
dangerous
weapon
pretty
much,
but
there
are
specific
weapons
that
are
outright
just
the
possession
of
never
mind
if
you
use
it.
Just
the
possession
of
is
against
the
law,
and
you
know
in
my
experience
when
you,
when
you
find
people
in
possession
of
those
types
of
weapons.
It's
it's
it's!
It's
of.
L
You
know
this,
there's
a
concern
there
there's
something
else
going
on.
You
know
we're
not
talking
about
the
kid
with
the
pocket
knife
either.
These
are.
These
are
a
lot
of
these
weapons
are
very
inherently
dangerous.
They
have
no
other
purpose
other
than
to
you
know,
they're
not
used
for
whittling
wood.
They
used
to
hurt
people.
So
you
know
what
is
the
school
police
officer
to
do
when
they
find
a
student
in
possession
of
one
of
these
weapons
that
is
listed
in
mass
general
law?
269
10.
F
If
I
might
chair
this
section
addresses
merely
the
creation
of
student
reports
does
not
say
anything
about
what
a
school
police
officer
might
do
with
respect
to
seizing
a
dangerous
weapon
from
a
student.
This
is
about
the
creation
of
reports
that
can,
as
we've
seen
in
the
past,
make
their
way
into,
for
example,
the
hands
of
ice,
and
so
you
know
nothing.
Nothing
in
this
language
says
that
if
a
police
officer
at
the
boston
public
school
encounters
a
student
with
nunchucks
that
they
can't
seize
those
nunchucks.
G
So
I
think
that's
where
the
difficulty
I
think
we
had
chief
coakley
again
one.
The
first
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
we
are,
our
name,
has
changed
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
edits.
Since
the
last
meeting
we
had
some
union
agreements,
so
we
are
now
safety
specialists.
We
no
longer
have
our
police
powers.
G
Therein
lies
the
situation
of
seizing
dangerous
weapons.
We
don't
have
the
capacity
to
seize
dangerous
weapons
any
longer.
So
I
thought
we
were
going
to
come
up
with
a
list
of
items
that
were
going
to
be
mentioned
in
this
document
that
we
would
have
to
that.
We
would
be
able
to
do
formal
reports
and
have
boston
police
actually
seize
those
items
like
new
chucks,
like
tasers
like
daggers
some
of
those
items
not
to
be
facetious,
but
that
have
been
confiscated
more
recently
from
students
in
school.
B
So
can
I
just
ask
a
question
to
that,
because
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
so
under
the
new
agreement,
if
an
of
a
suit,
a
school
safety
resource
officer
or
whatever
the
new
title
is
sees
a
student
with
a
dagger,
they
have
to
go
to
their
office,
write
a
report
and
that's
how
that
gets
dealt
with
now.
Is
that
what
I'm
being
told
they
can't
just
take
the
dagger
or
deal
with
that
situation?
B
G
No
right
now
there
is
a
dilemma
with
that.
What
we
want
to
do
is
in
confiscating
those
we
don't
have
a
means
to
to
hold
those
items.
We
wanted
those
items
to
be
turned
over
to
boston,
police
and
turning
those
old
items
over
to
boston
police.
There
has
to
be
a
police
report
generated
for
those
items.
B
G
B
Why
don't
you
have
the
ability
to
keep
a
dagger?
Who
would
you
what
would
you
do?
Give
it
back
to
the
student
like
what
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
you're
saying
is
the
process
now
you're
saying
you
can
confiscate
a
dagger,
but
you
can't
keep
it
you
can't
you
got
to
give
it
back
to
the
student.
G
No
counselor,
we
would
not
give
it
back
to
the
student,
but
we
want
to
have
a
formal
process
of
turning
those
items
over
to
police.
We
don't
have
our
police
powers
anymore.
We
don't
have
a
storage
facility
for
daggers
for
tasers
we'd
want
to
have
those
items
turned
over
to
boston
police,
to
proper
authorities.
B
And
you
can't
just
turn
it
into
the
boston
police.
You
have
to
have
a
formal
report
to
do
that.
You
can't
just
bring
over
the
same
way
that
say
if
somebody
had
opiates
in
their
house
and
they
wanted
to
drop
them
in
a
drop
box,
can
drop
them
to
dropbox.
You
can't
bring
these
items
to
bpd
and
say
this
is
an
item
we
confiscated.
Can
you
please
remove
this
item
without
having
a
written
report?
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
G
B
Okay,
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
so
basically
you're
saying
that
the
only
way
in
which
you
can
dispose
of
confiscated
goods
like
that
is,
if
you
write
a
school
police
report
that
includes
the
name
of
the
person
from
which
you
confiscated
it
in
all
of
these
other
details
is
that
is
that,
basically,
yes,
that's
correct,
okay,
and
that
is
that
new.
Is
that
a
new
thing
from
the
changes
that
you
just
said,
or
is
that
something
that's
always
existed?.
G
No
previously,
it
wasn't
an
issue
because
we
could
write
boston,
police
reports,
so
right,
now's,
boston,
police
reports.
We
would
write
the
fact
that
we
confiscated
that
item
mentioned,
who
we
received
that
item
for
and
that
item
could
be
turned
over
to
boston
police
now,
which
is
watching
police.
Now
we
don't
have
access
to
boston,
police
reports.
B
So
now
what
it
sounds
like
is
bp
s.
The
boston
public
school
system
needs
a
method
to
to
actually
so
that
you
don't
have
to
go
to
bpd.
You
can
just
remove
or
have
some
method
of
removing
these
things
from
bps
possession
that
doesn't
involve
bbd
a
standalone
one.
The
same
way
bpd
receives
these
things.
You
need
some
similar
unit.
If
that's
going
to
be
the
case,
what
it
sounds
like
could
be
a
potential
six.
G
B
B
L
L
A
F
L
A
G
We
just
don't
like
we
just
we
just
had
some
transition
from
our
our
legal
department.
Usually
kathy
lazan
was
here
with
us,
if
you
guys
remember,
but
we
just
have
a
new
attorney
lisa
mackey.
So
unfortunately
she
didn't
get
an
invite
to
this,
but
I
will
I'm
gonna
make
her
abreast
of
it,
and
I
will
get
some
language
to
you
by
next
week.
B
I
just
want
to
thank
thank
you
chief
coakley
on
that,
and
then
I
guess
there
was
some
some
very
basic.
We
got
to
fix
the
terminology
because
it's
no
longer
school
police
officers,
so
we'll
do
that.
We'll
handle
that
and
if
you
keep
me
updated
on
on
sort
of,
if
there's
a
possibility
for
somebody
to
send
me
a
summary
on
sort
of
what
these
changes
to
your
functionalities
in
schools
are
because
some
of
these
things,
I
think
we
can
fix
in
different
ways
in
other
ways
that
that
can
fix
some
of
these
gaps.
A
May,
if
I
may,
let
folks
know
also
one
thing
that
we
have
discussed
extensively
but
wanted
to
bring
it
back
to
center.
We
know,
and
by
that
I
mean
everybody
on
this-
zoom
and
interested
stakeholders
know
that
there's
no
permanent
way
to
deal
with
surveillance
and
just
to
remind
people.
That's
why
there's
also
a
working
group
in
here,
because
we're
going
to
find
what
does
and
doesn't
work
we're
going
to
find
that
things
need
to
be
tweaked
throughout,
as
the
chief
is
going
to
show
you
know
and
as
names
change.
A
This
happens
even
in
the
middle
of
our
working
sessions,
so
just
to
remind
people
that
we
establish
a
working
group.
For
that
reason,
technology
will
change.
Departments
names
will
change,
how
we
acquire
things
will
change,
and
so
this
working
group
is
also
supposed
to
help
make
sure
that
we're
clear
and
adjusting
appropriately.
So
if
we
don't
have
every
single
edit
right
in
and
now
it's
not
as
though
the
this
is
drop
dead
and
never
can
be
changed
again.