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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on September 24, 2020
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Dockets #0942, 0943, 0944 - Petition for a Special Law re: An Act Regarding the Disability Pension for Ryan Lenane; Harry Jean; Terry Cotton
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D
For
my
colleagues,
where,
as
I
as
I
mentioned
before,
we're
going
to
skip
opening
statements
and
get
right
to
the
heart
of
the
matter,
I'll
go
through
the
standard
and
make
sure
we're
clear
about
what
we're
doing
today
and
then
we're
gonna
go
right
to
work
good
morning,
everyone.
I
am
lydia
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
D
It
is
thursday
september
24th
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
working
session.
Excuse
me
on
docket
0942
petition
for
a
special
law,
an
act
regarding
the
disability,
pension
for
ryan
lennane,
docket
0943
petition
for
a
special
law
regarding
an
act
regarding
the
disability,
pension
for
harry
gene
and
docket
0944
petitioned
for
a
special
law
and
act
regarding
the
disability
pension
for
terry
cotton.
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These
matters
are
referred
to
the
committee
on
august
19
2020.,
in
accordance
with
governor
baker's
march
12
executive
order,
we're
able
to
have
this
working
session
online
in
order
to
assure
the
public
safety,
but
also
that
we
can
continue
to
do
our
job.
Excuse
me,
I
keep
calling
it
a
working
session,
it's
a
hearing,
my
apologies.
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City-Council-Tv,
it
will
be
re-broadcasted
at
a
later
date
on
comcast
8,
rcn82
verizon
1964.
for
public
testimony.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
at
boston.gov,
and
we
made
part
of
the
record
these
home
rule.
Petitions
would
increase
the
accidental
disability
retirement
allowance
payable
to
the
officers
named
individually
in
each
proposal.
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D
The
excuse
me,
the
home
rule
petition,
also
provides
for
the
surviving
spouse
as
follows:
an
innuity
in
the
amount
of
three-fourths
of
the
amount
of
pension
payable
to
the
officer
per
month
at
the
time
of
his
death,
and
if
the
surviving
self
remains,
if
the
surviving
spouse
remains
unmarried
and,
if
said,
surviving
spouse
spouse
remained
me
mary's.
Excuse
me,
the
city
shall
pay
and
lieu
of
the
aforesaid
annuity
an
annuity
of
550
per
month.
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The
statutory
standard
for
accidental
disability
retirement
is
physically
unable
to
perform
the
essential
duties
and
responsibilities
of
the
job
and
that
such
inability
is
likely
or
deemed
permanent
before
attaining
the
maximum
age.
For
the
members,
a
bi-region
of
personal
injury
or
violent
act,
injury
sustained
by
a
hazard
undergone
as
a
result
of
and
while
in
the
performance
of
his
or
her
duties.
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Again,
that's
in
massachusetts,
general
laws,
chapter
32,
section
7.
I
will
now.
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
my
colleagues
who
are
here
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
lead,
sponsor
my
colleagues
again,
whoever
are
here
and
they
can
correct
me
if
anyone's
joined
since
I
began
speaking
the
sponsor
of
all
three
matters
in
all
three
dockets
counselor:
large
anissa,
sabi,
george
district,
two
city,
councillor,
ed
flynn,
district,
three
city,
councilor,
frank
baker,
district
8,
city,
councilor,
kenzie,
bach,
district,
9,
city,
councilor,
liz
braden
and
at-large
city,
councilor,
michael
flaherty.
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A
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
everyone
for
being
here
this
morning.
I'm
happy
to
give
a
brief
opening
statement
and
get
to
the
work.
I
appreciate
your
desire
to
get
to
this
and
for
your
flexibility,
flexibility,
madam
chair,
and
making
sure
that
today's
hearing
was
scheduled
and
that
the
participants
could
be
with
us.
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I
want
to
first
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
boston
and
be
on
for
on
behalf
of
myself,
I
would
like
to
thank
ryan
and
harry
and
terry
for
being
here
this
morning,
because
I
know
that
this
morning
and
this
day
is
a
difficult
one
for
you.
I
know
that
it
has
been
difficult
for
you
to
prepare
for
this
day,
but
I
I
just
want
to
share
my
thanks
for
your
attendance,
but
more
important
than
that.
A
A
I've
had
conversations
about
you
with
a
number
of
individuals
who
care
very
deeply
about
you
care
very
much
about
your
physical
health,
but
I
think
more
than
that
care
about
your
mental
health,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
for
me
to
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
city.
I
understand
that
your
injuries
sustained
both
physical
and
mental,
have
impacted
you
greatly,
no
doubt
so
much
so
that
you
are
unable
to
do
the
jobs,
the
job
that
you
all
loved
so
much
so
I
am.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
note
of
thanks
is
made
because
it
is.
It
is
certainly
the
least,
and
nearly
not
enough
that
we
can
do,
and
it's
part
of
why
we're
here
today
you
went
to
work
one
day
and
you
are
unable
to
perform
those
duties
anymore.
So
I
think
that
it
is
important
for
us,
as
a
city
to
respect
and
honor
your
service
to
our
city
and
move
to
make
right
the
situation
around
your
retirement.
A
So
that
is
it
for
me,
madam
chair
this
morning,
I
will
have
some
more
comments
during
testimony
and
do
want
to
just
note
how
important
it
is
that
everyone
is
here,
but
also
want
to
know
how
difficult
I
know
this
morning
is
for
you.
I
also
want
to
thank
larry
and
donald
for
their
their
support.
Getting
to
this
point
as
well.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
Thank
you
for
those.
Unless
my
colleagues
have
any
any
I
I
misstated
this
is
not
a
working
session,
so
this
is
a
hearing
so
to
my
colleagues,
out
of
respect
and
deference
to
my
colleagues,
if
you
have
any
brief
statements
and
would
like
to
say
them,
you
may
do
so
now,
otherwise
I
will
turn
it
over
to
and
we'll
go
in
the
order
of
the
dockets
to
hear
out
from
each
one
of
the
individuals.
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B
D
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so,
as
I
state
as
stated
we're
going
to
go
in
order
of
the
dockets,
and
so
if
it
makes
sense
and
I'll
just
check
in
with
the
the
lead
sponsor
we'll
just
go
with
the
docket
number.
The
person
and
proponent
can
speak
to
that
matter.
Anybody
in
support
can
also
speak
to
that
matter
or
an
opposition
to
that
matter,
and
then
the
colleagues
can
ask
questions
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one.
Does
that
make
sense,
or
does
that
work
with
you.
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Well,
I
would,
I
would
actually
suggest
madam
chair
respectfully
that
ryan,
harry
and
terry
have
an
opportunity
to
make
their
comment,
and
then
we
can
ask
questions
of
all
three
at
the
same
time,
because
there
may
be
similar
questions
for
each
one
of
them.
It's
certainly
up
to
your
discretion
and
I'm
certain
that
bppa
president
larry
calderon,
as
well
as
the
detectives
union
president
donald
casey,
may
also
have
comments.
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D
So
how
about
this
I
will,
I
will
add,
a
deference
to
the
service
that
they
have
done,
allow
for
them
to
present
themselves
and
their
and
their
statements.
First.
I
do
think,
though,
when
it
comes
to
each
one
of
them.
Afterwards
we
will
have
you
know
you
may
have
to
make
more
than
one
statement
larry
and
for
than
the
detectives,
but
you
will
make
one
for
each
one.
Okay,
very
well
again.
So
in
order
of
the
docket
that
we
have,
I
believe
officer,
ryan
lennane
would
be
first
at
zero.
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Docket
number
zero,
nine
four
two
and
then
I
believe
we
have
say
zero.
Nine,
four
three,
who
is?
Let
me
just
make
sure
I
think
it's
caution,
and
then
we
have
zero.
Nine
four
four
would
be
harry.
Excuse
me,
harry
gene
would
be
next
and
then
zero.
Nine
four
four
carry
on
okay,
so
very
well
officer,
lennane,.
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E
My
name
is
ryan
lennane
and,
as
you
know,
I
am
a
retired
police
officer.
I
became
a
police
officer
in
2006
and
it
was
a.
It
was
an
extremely
proud
moment
for
my
family
and
I,
the
boston
police
academy,
was
tough,
but
I
truly
loved
every
second
of
it.
In
the
summer
of
2006,
when
I
graduated,
I
was
placed
at
district
11
in
dorchester.
E
From
the
first
day,
I
was
learning
the
job
and
understanding
the
struggles
of
the
city.
I
had
a
lot
of
respect
and
pride
for
my
new,
my
new
career
early
on,
but
the
love
grew
every
time
I
put
my
uniform
on
within
a
year
of
being
on
the
job.
I
was
playing
basketball
with
the
kids
of
the
neighborhood
at
towns
field
or
inside
the
gym
at
st
st
peters
parish.
E
E
E
E
As
you
know,
I
did
go
through
the
process
to
receive
a
disability
retirement
and
I
am
receiving
that
now
financially,
it
has
been
difficult
for
my
family
as
if
the
pension
is
much
less
than
the
earnings
as
a
police
officer.
As
my
earnings
as
a
police
officer,
the
additional
benefit
this
petition
would
for
would
provide
my
family
would
be
an
enormous
help
in
the
ability
to
make
ends
meet.
E
F
D
H
H
I
receive
a
disability
pension
related
to
being
shot
and
permanently
disabled
in
2013..
I'm
thankful
for
the
disability
pension,
but
it
has
been
difficult
for
my
family
to
make
ends
meet,
particularly
since
the
covert
pandemic
started.
To
be
honest,
if
this
petition
was
passed,
it
would
my
family
get
back
on
our
feet
financially.
H
I
love
working
with
the
people
in
the
community
and
helping
make
our
great
cities
safe,
but
that
was
taken
away
from
me
on
august
7
2013,
my
father
and
I
were
shot
on
that
day.
We
were
driving
down
the
street
when
a
young
man
on
the
side
of
the
road,
his
shirt
and
showed
us.
He
had
a
handgun
when
we
stopped
backed
up
exited
our
vehicle
and
he
began
shooting
at
us
indiscriminately.
H
We
turned
fire,
but
we
both
were
shocked.
My
life
has
changed
dramatically
since
that
day,
not
a
day
goes
by.
When
I
don't
think
about
that
day,
when
I
don't
have
to
deal
with
that
trauma,
the
events
of
that
day
have
changed
my
family,
who
had
to
deal
with
my
disability
and
the
way
that
it
has
changed
me.
H
H
F
F
F
F
F
F
Upon
exiting
our
vehicle,
I
was
immediately
engaged
in
what
felt
like
an
endless
gun
battle.
One
suspect
ended
up
deceased,
the
other
made
good
his
escape.
At
the
time
I
suffered
multiple
gunshot
wounds
to
my
left
leg,
which
has
which
now
has
three
holes
and
one
bullet
inside
and
then
discovered.
My
partner
had
been
shot.
F
F
F
F
F
I've
worked
to
admit
some
fine
officers
to
whom
I
can
call
brother.
To
this
day
I
have
a
great
partner
who
I
also
call
my
brother.
I
never
would
have
imagined
that
my
career
and
life
would
have
come
to
such
an
abrupt
change
and
end.
Due
to
my
injury,
I
used
to
live
in
the
city
of
boston,
but
months
after
my
incident,
it
became
impossible
to
keep
up
with
the
financial
demands
of
a
city
as
a
husband,
a
father,
six
and
having
a
mother
with
a
mother-in-law
with
dementia.
F
F
D
D
D
Also,
oh
and
donald
casey
from
the
detectives
associate
for
the
detectives
representing
detectives
union.
Do
I
have
any
other
speakers
besides
counselors
today,
counselors
avi
george,
no
ma'am,
chair
very
well.
So
if
we
could
go
buy
each
docket,
then,
and
you
could
speak
to
each
one
of
the
docket
numbers
they
or
the
two
that
you
would
be
under
your
purview
and
then
we'll
have
detective
donald
casey
speak
to
harry
jean.
Does
that
work.
C
First,
off
good
morning
to
my
fellow
brothers
in
uniform
here,
terry
harry,
jean
and
brian
tremendous
job,
gentlemen,
chairwoman
edwards.
Thank
you
very
much
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
all
three
offices
at
once
and
just
make
a
statement:
okay,
counselor
sabi,
george
tremendous
work.
I
C
Outstanding
your
job,
the
newer
counselors,
I
thank
you
as
well.
I
know
that
we're
going
to
work
together
just
as
successfully
as
I
have
in
the
past
with
the
other
counselors.
As
soon
as
we
get
through
this
crisis
of
covida,
I
think
it'll
be
better
with
one-on-one
conversations
as
opposed
to
this
computer.
It's
my
first
time
using
zoom
at
least
on
video
anyway.
C
On
the
behalf
of
the
bppa,
I'm
honored
to
speak
on
the
home
rule
petitions
filed
regarding
my
fellow
patrol
officers
and
detective
terry
cotton,
ryan,
linnane
and
harry
jean.
I
work
side
by
side
with
these
officers
throughout
my
career.
I
know
them
very
well:
they're
outstanding
dedicated
officers
and
their
great
family
men.
C
C
C
C
C
C
The
bppa
again
wants
to
applaud
councillor
wassabi
george
for
the
fashion
of
her
petitions.
As
you
know,
the
boston
retirement
board
packaged
these
and
you've
received
them.
All
three
offices
have
already
gone
through
the
process
of
having
three
expert
doctors
appointed
by
the
commonwealth,
certify
their
disabilities
they're
receiving
disability
distributions.
C
C
C
The
offices
of
the
bppa
have
not
been
able
to
shelter
at
home.
Like
many
families,
we've
had
very
limited
days
off
we're
continually
being
voted
to
work,
to
protect
the
citizenry
of
boston,
and
we
do
it
with
pride
and
dedication
we
head
into
the
streets
of
boston
to
serve
and
protect
no
matter.
What's
waiting
for
us,
no
matter
what
the
cost
might
be
to
our
health
and
our
own
security.
I
C
D
J
Okay,
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief.
I
know
a
lot
was
said
today,
so
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief
in
my
statements.
First
and
foremost
for
those
that
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
donald
casey,
president
boston,
police,
detectives
union
I've
been
a
member
of
the
police
department
for
32
years.
I
worked
in
several
different
units-
drug
unit
gang
unit,
school
police.
J
I
was
raised
in
matapan,
very
close
to
where
harry
jean
was
raised.
I
think
he's
a
little
bit
younger
than
me,
but
I
know
all
the
pitfalls
he
had
to
overcome
to
become
a
boston
police
officer.
There's
a
lot
of
things
going
in
our
neighborhood
that
he
had
to
overcome
to
succeed
becoming
a
police
officer
isn't
as
easy
as
most
might
think,
especially
with
those
pitfalls.
J
I
think
harry
jean
is
an
exceptional
person
and
he
was
exceptional
police
officer,
particularly
when
he
was
in
the
drug
unit.
At
the
same
time,
I
was
he
worked
in
district
3
and
I
worked
in
district
11,
which
was
marrying
districts
or
right
next
to
each
other.
So
I
know
the
work
that
harry
jean
did
as
a
police
officer
and
was
always
a
professional
and
always
a
gentleman.
J
I
would
be
remiss
to
say
that,
what's
going
on
and
nationally
does
not
put
a
blind
a
black
eye
on
the
boston
police
department
as
well
as
other
police
departments,
I
don't
think
it's
deserve
it,
but
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
mention
it.
Harry
jean
is
one
of
those
good
police
officers,
as
well
as
the
other
officers
involved,
terry
and
ryan.
I
would.
I
would
think
that
these
are
the
three
examples
that
you
don't
hear
about:
those
individuals
that
are
from
this
city.
J
J
J
True
heroes
to
the
city-
and
I
know
in
light
of
everything-
that's
going
on-
that's
not
a
public
or
or
it's
not
a
thing
that
you
hear
often
reached
in
recent
months,
but
they
are
true
heroes,
they're,
true
boston,
police
officers
and
they're,
true
heroes
and
anything
anyone
could
do
for
them
would
be
grace
greatly
appreciated
by
the
boston
police
department,
as
well
as
the
detective
union
and
the
patrol
museum.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much
so
for
my
colleagues,
we
can
go
through
and
just
ask
any
general
questions.
I
think
out
of
respect
for
the
the
traumatic
and
the
trauma
that
the
officers
went
through.
I
personally
will
be
asking
my
questions,
which
are
more
informative,
based
to
either
my
colleagues
who
have
been
here
and
been
through
this
process
before
such
as
counselor
flaherty
or
to
larry
or
donald.
D
That's
how
I
intend
to
I.
I
would
recommend
to
those
my
colleagues
having
seen
what
the
office
is
going
through,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
to
the
officers.
Our
questions
are
not
questioning
your
service
or
your
injury.
We're
not
questioning
that
or
your
pain.
I
should
say:
okay,
this
is
a
process,
it's
public,
it's
open
and
we
are
both
stewards
of
of
this
of
our
of
the
fiscal.
You
know
responsibility
of
the
city,
but
also
and
making
sure
that
city
workers
are
are
able
to
live
in
dignity
as
well.
D
So
we're
balancing
both
we're
going
to
ask
these
questions,
and
I
don't
want
anyone
to
see
them
as
anything,
but
us
doing
our
job.
Okay,
again
to
I
just
have-
and
I
made
this
commitment
to
counselor
zombie
george-
I
made
this
commitment
based
on
my
experience.
Having
worked
with
people
who've
gone
through
trauma,
I'm
recommending
to
my
colleagues,
though
not
demand
not
telling
them
what
to
do
that.
D
D
A
Thank
you
again,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
that
instruction
and
recommendation.
I
think
that
it's
it's
something
that
we
should
all
take
under
great
advisement
and
again.
I
do
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
the
three
of
you:
sharing
your
experiences
and
your
story
and
a
small
reflection
and
perhaps
a
small
window
into
the
the
day
of
your
injury
and
the
you
know,
and
I
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
how
sort
of
traumatic
and
or
re-traumatizing
that
the
events
of
that
day
are
to
share
with
us.
A
A
And
I
you
know,
I
think
that
it
was
harry
that
mentioned
that
he
didn't
want
to
be
here,
and
I
don't.
I
believe
that
none
of
us
want
to
be
here
that
we
didn't
want
any
of
you
to
have
this
experience
and
that
we
didn't
want
you
to
have
to
be
here
to
share
those
experiences
with
us
today,
because
it
is
such
an
emotional
and
painful
recollection.
A
So
I
just
again
I
want
to
thank
you-
and
I
want
to
thank
president
calderoni
and
president
casey
for
being
with
us
today
too.
To
represent
you,
donald
and
larry,
have
represented
you
well
through
this
process
and
just
you're
very
grateful
for
all
of
your
experiences
here.
I
do
urge
my
colleagues
to
read
through
these
packets,
if
they
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to.
A
I
think
someone
referred
to
it
as
sort
of
a
hectic
experience
coming
back
into
the
city
because
it
is
triggering
for
you.
So
I
am
again
just
very
grateful
that
you're
able
to
be
here
with
us
today
to
share
your
experiences.
It's
so
important
for
us,
as
we
discuss
this
matter
as
we
look
to
make
decisions
on
this
matter
that
we
hear
from
that
we've
heard
from
the
three
of
you,
so
I
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions
to
this.
I'm
certain
that
my
colleagues
have
as
they've.
A
D
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
have
never
sat
on
this
seat
before
so
I
am
hope
to
learn
a
lot
about
the
process,
especially
from
more
excision
and
experienced
study
counselors
such
as
counselor
flat
hardy.
I
also
want
to
express
my
my
gratitude
to
the
officers
for
their
testimony
this
morning
and
for
their
service.
K
I
come
from
northern
ireland,
I'm
not
unfamiliar
with
the
impacts
of
post-traumatic
stress
disorder
on
on
officers
and
police
and
civilians,
and
trauma
trauma
that
can
have
long
lasting
impacts
on
on
your
life
and
your
ability
to
function,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
just
sitting
and
listening
and
learning
more
and
thanks
again
for
your
testimony
this
morning.
I
know
it
was
difficult.
Thank
you.
I
Obviously,
both
of
these
incidents
that
we're
talking
about,
I
think
two
of
you
were
talking
about.
The
same
incident
you
know
were
were
traumatic
as
they
were,
and
you
know
in
both
cases
resulted
in
in
somebody
not
an
officer
dying
because
of
just
the
the
you
know,
huge
availability
of
guns
in
our
streets,
and
it's
just
such
a.
I
don't
know
I
I.
I
I
like
counselor
braden,
I'm
new
to
this.
I
have
questions
that
I
think
maybe
are
perhaps
best
directed
to
counselor
flaherty,
but
maybe
also
president
calderon
and
donald,
I'm.
So
sorry,
I've
blanked
on
your
last
name
for
a
second,
but
one
is
just
if
somebody
could
give
a
context
of
how
often
we've
done
this
in
boston,
and
I
know
that
president
calderon
has
said
it's
done
in
other.
I
D
I
Yeah,
well,
why
don't
I
just
why?
Don't
I
just
stop
with
that?
I
think.
Oh
sorry,
two
questions
that
one
yeah
and
then
also,
if
the
other
one
would
just
be,
it
seemed
from
the
packets,
like
none
of
the
three
individuals
are
currently
working
in
other
jobs,
but
if
somebody
could
just
confirm
that
again
that
would
be
helpful.
Those
are
my
two
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
C
C
I
do
have
the
five
names,
but
instead
of
doing
it
on
a
public
forum,
if
I
could
share
them
with
you
privately
and
maybe
extend
it
to
the
entire
council
if
they
wish
to
know,
but
we
have
five
five
officers
since
1995
that
have
passed
home
rule
petitions
through
the
boston
city,
council
and
then
passed
by
the
legislature
up
at
the
state
house.
I
I
do
have
those
names
comfortable.
C
I
C
J
D
B
B
You
know
our
disadvantage
because
of
losing
that
type
of
income,
their
family
really
pays.
The
pays
a
large
price
also
financially.
So
I
think
what
is
what
is
fear
is
is:
is
this
proposal
outlined
by
councilor
asabi
george,
but
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
one
of
the
point:
is
you
know
being
being
active
with
the
disabled
american
veterans?
B
I
I've
read
hundreds
of
reports,
but
what
was
described
in
in
in
the
opening
statements
is
very
similar,
in
my
opinion,
to
a
lot
of
veterans
returning
home
after
after
after
combat
some
of
the
mental
health,
especially
the
mental
health
challenges
that
they
have,
and
you
know
at
times
our
federal
government
will
say
you
know,
thank
you
for
your
service.
So
a
welcome
home.
Well,
that's
not
that's!
Not
good
enough
is
welcome
home.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
B
It's
what
type
of
programs
and
what
type
of
services
that
these
police
officers
are.
These
veterans
we're
not
giving
them
anything.
They've,
they've
earned
that
in,
in
my
opinion,
they're
putting
their
life
on
the
line
putting
their
family
on
the
line
as
well.
So
I
mean
I
know
exactly
how
I'm
voting.
I
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
councilwork
savvy
george
and
counselor
edwards.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
larry
and
donald,
but
especially
the
three
police
officers
as
well.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
know,
ryan
and
harry
and
terry
for
your
service,
your
commitment
to
the
city
and
larry,
larry
and
donald
also
in
this
time.
I
think
this
is
important
here
for
us
to
make
sure
we
take
care
of
you
guys.
I
plan
on
voting
in
the
affirmative
and
all
three
of
these
dockets
here,
but
I
just
think
it's
important
for
us
to
take
to
take
care
of
the
people
that
are
that
are
taking
care
of
us
larry.
C
G
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
also
reviewed
the
packets
and
I've
had
the
great
fortune
back
when
I
was
an
assistant
district
attorney
in
in
roxbury
district
court
to
have
some
cases
with
both
every
gene
and
also
terry
cotton.
So
I'm
gonna
attest
to
their
work
ethic
and
and
the
great
job
they
did
as
police
officers
along
with
office
lennais.
M
So
best
of
luck
to
all
of
you
in
your
continued
recovery
from
from
the
events
that
led
up
to
this
conversation
that
we're
having
and
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
to
our
respective
offices,
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
for
for
you
and
your
families
moving
forward.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
dedication
and
your
commitment
to
our
city
and
and
the
great
work
that
you've
done
as
members
of
the
police
department.
F
M
They
were
great
people
and
great
individuals,
but
they
were
very
good,
cops
and
appreciate
the
work
that
they've
done.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
here
for
any
questions.
I
I
since
2000
since
being
on
the
council.
I
think
the
council,
in
that
time,
has
probably
done
three
police
officers.
We've
also
done
some
firefighters,
but
so
it's
you
know
as
referenced
larry.
I
think
laid
it
out
perfectly
in
terms
of
how
retirement
benefit
works
and
then
there's
an
additional
28
percent.
M
That
benefit
is
available
for
situations
like
this,
where
folks,
who
are
involved
in
have
permanent,
lasting
injuries
that
make
it
unable
for
them
to
perform
their
duties
moving
forward,
and
I
think
that's
the
exception
that
has
been
made
here
and
many.
My
colleagues
have
any
additional
questions
that
I
can
shed
some
light
on,
but
we
don't.
D
L
Yeah,
just
just
briefly
no
questions,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
officers
for
their
service
and
I'm
I'm
truly
sorry
for
the
harm.
That's
been
caused
to
you
in
the
performance
of
your
duties
and
the
ongoing
trauma
that
you
are
seeing
and
dealing
with,
and
so
my
thoughts
are
with
you
I'm
sorry.
This
was
such
a
difficult
process
and
I
know
counselor
slobby
george
certainly
spoke
from
me
when
reliving
trauma
and
having
to
go
through.
That
process
is
certainly
not
something.
L
Anybody
here
would
want
anyone
to
have
to
go
through
and
I'm
sorry
that
to
some
extent
that's
that's
something
that
happened
today.
So
thank
you
again
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
for
your
story
and
and
your
your
testimony
and
I'll
be
watching
back
the
tape
for
what
I
did
miss
I
I
did
catch
some
of
it,
but
I'm
I'm
deeply
appreciative
for
the
service
that
you've
rendered
this
city.
Thank
you.
D
Okay,
so
I
just
had
some
a
couple:
follow-up
questions
for
whomever
first
actually,
first
for
counselor
flurry
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
and
then,
if,
if
larry
or
donald
want
to
add
to
them,
that's
fine.
With
regards
to
the
last
three
bpd
officers
of
police
officers
or
or
five
in
total,
I
think
since
1995,
how
many
of
them,
what
were
the
typical
injuries
that
they
suffered
from,
were
they
were
they
alive?
M
M
I
believe
he
may
have
been
on
a
motorcycle
if
not
a
cruiser
and
gonna
go
t-boned
at
an
intersection,
responding
to
a
call
and
multiple
surgeries,
multiple
fractures
throughout
the
skull
and
face.
So
I
know
that
was
the
difficult
one
and
I
believe
that
there
was
a
significant
injury
through
a
there
was
it
was
a
fire
fight,
and
then
there
was
a
struggle.
M
Physical
confrontation
in
the
offices
of
detectives
can
kind
of
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
then
the
weapon
was
put
against
the
face
of
the
cop
during
the
struggle
and
and
then
the
gun
gm,
but
in
the
officer's
struggle
to
try
to
prevent
that
gun
from
from
being
turned
on
him.
I
believe
that
he
basically
tore
all
the
leg.
The
ligaments
I
believe
off
of
one
or
both
of
his
shoulders
and
after
multiple
shoulder
surgeries,
wasn't
going
to
be
able
to
compete
and
perform
because
he
couldn't
lift.
M
He
didn't
have
the
ability
to
lift
his
hands
up
anymore,
so
he
wouldn't
be
able
to
perform
his
duty.
So
I
know
those
were
two
and
trying
to
think
of
the
third
one.
I
think
the
third
one
was
also
a
brain
injury
and
with
some
significant
post-traumatic
stress
involved
in
a
fire
fight,
and
I
want
to
say
it
might
have
been
in
the
downtown
financial
district.
M
D
M
C
C
They
were
all
violent
incidents.
There
was
only
one
that
I'm
aware
of
there
was
not
a
gun
battle,
but
I
would
gladly
just
discuss,
discuss
the
mental
state
of
the
officer
and
the
injuries
that
he
is
still
suffering
from
today.
If
we
could
do
that
offline
personally,
that
that
would
be
appreciated,
but
the
other
individuals,
as
you
will
see
that
I
can
share
with
you,
as
I
said
next
week,
are
horrific
gun
battles
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
the
officers
are
still
with
us.
Yes,
okay,.
D
What
you
provide
to
us
for
our
consideration.
Larry
becomes
part
of
that
record.
Okay
and
so-
and
I
I
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
counselor
sabi
george-
that
that's
that's,
this
is
part
of
the
hearing,
so
so
records
submitted
in
support
of
something
in
a
hearing.
They're
part
of
the
record
christine.
You
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and
so
there's
certain
levels
of
privacy.
D
C
D
C
C
D
D
D
If
they
don't
remarry,
do
you
have
an
estimate
about
what
that
number
is
for
an
officer?
I
know
I
have
some
ages.
I
don't
have
everyone's
exact
ages.
I
have,
I
think,
36
are
in
the
mid
to
late
30s
and
50s
for
the
officers
today.
But
do
you
have
an
estimate
about
what
that
would
be
for
one
or
all
of
them.
D
D
D
D
C
It
is
not,
it
is
only
the
base
wages,
no
overtime,
no
extracurricular
work,
only
the
base
wage.
So
if
you,
if
I,
if
I'm
a
police
officer
and
my
base
salary
is,
is
seventy
thousand
dollars,
then
I'm
gonna
get
approximately
seven
seven.
So
approximately
fifty
thousand
dollars
would
be
the
the
payout
72
percent
of
the
seventy
thousand.
D
C
D
C
C
It's
it's
a
minimal
cost
of
living
increase
that
we
believe
is
issued
by
the
state.
I
think
it's
a
minimal
cost
of
living
increase.
It
is.
It
is
not
to
my
knowledge
what
would
be
received
in
a
collective
bargaining
agreement.
If
that's
what
you're
asking,
if,
if
we
were
to
receive
a
cba
benefit
down
the
road,
does
it
apply
here?
No,
it
does
not
it's.
It's
issued
elsewhere,.
D
And
by
the
way
for
my
colleagues,
I'm
asking
all
these
questions,
I
understand
he
may
not
have
the
answers.
We
can
have
a
quick
working
session
where
he
gets
those
answers
to
us
as
well.
So
don't
be
shy
with
questions.
We
can
get
the
answers
and
I
don't
see
his
you
know
if
he
doesn't
have
the
answer
right
now.
That's
not
a
bad
thing.
This
is
both
to
the
officers
and
my
colleagues.
These
are
genuine
general
questions
that
I
have.
A
G
I
I
think
kohler
is
is
based
off
of
your
beginning
earnings,
like
the
only
basic
caller
off.
I
think
it's
like
18
000,
something
the
part
of
your
initial.
You
know,
even
if
you
make
a
hundred
grand
your
whole
cola,
payment,
isn't
based
off
that
hundred
grand
in
retirement.
It's
based
off
a
capped
amount
towards
the
beginning.
It's
like
20
grand
or
something
like
that.
I
think.
C
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
one
of
the
office,
I
should
say
fortunately,
I'm
not
one
of
the
officers
that
experienced
this
tragedy
or
this
physical
disability
that
that
they're
experiencing,
and
I
would
have
to
say
that
each
individual
officer,
experiences
trauma
and
ptsd
differently
and
the
physical
injuries
hinder
the
ability
to
do
this
job
as
well.
Each
officer
has
physical
injuries
is
suffering
some
type
of
ptsd
as
well,
so
it
would
be
unfair
if
I
tried
to
describe
it
as
a
whole
for
everyone.
J
J
Sorry,
if
I
could
just
talk
to
harry,
I'm
sure
larry
would
jump
in
with
those
guys
it's
it's
definitely
I
mean
that's
a
byproduct
of
it.
It
sounds
quick
to
say
that,
but
the
mental
part
of
it
is
a
byproduct
of
of
the
of
what
happened
that
night,
but
the
physical,
the
physical,
is
definitely
there
with
regards
to
having.
D
It
does
help
and
it
and
it
does
state
in
the
packets
the
reason
for
their
retirement
for
some
it's
ptsd
and
so
just
to
just
to
let
folks
know
they're
in
terms
of,
I
think,
that's
it
for
me.
If
I
come
up
with
any
ones
we'll
go
through
another
round,
I
know
that
most
of
my
clients
or
my
clients,
my
colleagues,
don't
have
questions.
Counselor
bach
did,
however,
raise
her
hand,
counselor
bach.
I
It
was
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
on
your
question:
counselor
edwards,
president
calroney.
I
know
that
that
the
hazard
pay
bump
gets
included
for
the
purposes
of
calculating
pensions
and
other
things
in
our
police
cbas.
So
when
you
say
the
base
wage
pay
is
that
including
the
hazard
pay,
that
they
would
have
gotten
at
the
time,
or
only
only
like
true
base
pay.
D
D
Counselor,
I
didn't
know
if
anyone
any
other
counselors
had
a
second
round.
I
think
it
would
be
as
as
as
larry
and
donald
probably
will
come
back
individually
to
talk
with
any
any
counselors
and
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
we
asked
and
also
get
back
to
us.
So
we
can
have
kind
of
a
working
session
and
move
these
along.
D
I
B
G
Yeah,
thank
you
just
just
quick,
so
so
larry.
I
know
other
people
that
I
know
that
have
gone
out
in
with
with
a
disability
like
through
print
department
or
whatever
that
there
they
were
capped.
They
couldn't
earn
very
much
over
what
they
what
they
had
the
retirement.
So
is
that
the
condition
right
now
and
that
will
be
lifted
when
when
and
if
we're
able
to
pass
all
this.
C
G
Yeah,
okay,
I
always
found
that
I
always
found
that
to
be
unfair
that
people,
if
they
were
able
to
earn
more
they
they
were
unable
to
so
it
kind
of
keeps
you
it
keeps
you
in
that
that
funny
area,
where
you
can't
you
you
don't
you
can't
work.
So
I
don't
think
that
that's
good,
I'm
glad
that
that
that
will
be
lifted.
C
Officers,
unfortunately,
do
get
used
to
being
ordered
on
the
overtime
or
perform
involuntary
overtime.
In
I
know,
for
my
own
family,
you
get
accustomed
to
making
a
little
bit
more
money
than
you
would
in
your
base
pay
to
to
go
through
what
these
officers
are
going
through
at
72
percent.
That's
like
basically
making
half
of
what
you
would
normally
earn
yeah
yeah.
It
must
be
a
terrible
burden
to
them,
and
I
do
appreciate
your
support.
L
A
C
M
G
L
L
D
D
Yes,
and
if
I
may-
and
people
can
correct
me,
the
72
is
the
option
part,
but
we're
passing
a
special
act
that
would,
if
passed
automatically
by
passing
it
here
and
passing
at
the
state
house,
give
them
75
of
the
100
that
that
would
pass
at
the
state
house.
So
no
election
by
the
officers
we
technically
make
that
election
for
them.
D
Right
now,
can
you
hear
me
sorry,
I
said
I'm
muted,
my
apologies,
so
counselor
asabi
george,
you
and
I
will
get
together
on
scheduling
and
figuring
out
what
the
next
steps
specifically
are:
counselor,
larry
and
donald.
If
you
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
whatever
you
want
to
send,
you
can
send
to
either
my
committee
that
we
can
redistribute
or
you
can
go
directly
to
the
counselors,
and
we
will
hopefully
take
this
matter
up
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
be
done.
J
A
I
will
say
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
sort
of
the
instructions
of
the
next
step.
I
will.
It
is
important
to
me
that
we're
not
requiring
ryan,
terry
and
harry
to
be
present
for
additional
proceedings
that
they've
offered
their
testimony
today.
It
is
on
the
record.
We've
had
this
conversation
that
the
future
conversation
will
be
around
procedure
and
collection
of
outstanding
information
prior
to
our
work
as
a
council
100
agreed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
appreciate
that
I'm
sure
I
did
want
to
have
that
stated
out
loud
because
I
I
do
want
to
appreciate
and
acknowledge.
I've
said
it
already,
but
I
do
want
to
note
that
terry
harry
and
ryan
that
today
was
a
very
difficult
day
for
you
to
be
here
with
us.
I
know
that
there
was
a
great
deal
of
hesitation
to
presenting
yourselves
before
this
body
and
before
this
committee.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
madam
chair
for
making
that
processes
smooth
and
easy
for
the
three
of
you,
but
I
do
in
the
end,
wanna
just
express
my
thank
my
thanks
for
your
service
to
our
city,
for
your
continued
efforts
to
heal
and
to
be
well
and
to
support
yourselves
and
your
families,
and
I
just
you
know
on
behalf
again
on
behalf
of
the
city.
Thank
you
for
your
service.