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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on February 8, 2021
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Docket #0296 - Petition for a special law re: An Act Relative to the Boston Landmarks Commission
A
B
I
think
I
think
counselor
baker's
in
the
waiting
room,
yep
and
I
know
we're
still
waiting
on.
I
think
my
co-sponsor
and
a
couple
of
admin
panelists.
C
B
C
C
A
And,
as
my
colleagues
join
I'll,
just
acknowledge
them
so,
okay,
good
afternoon,
everyone,
I'm
city,
council,
lydia,
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
It
is
monday
february
8,
2021
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket
0296
petition
for
special
law
regarding
an
active
re
act
really
relative
to
the
boston
landmarks
commission.
The
matter
was
sponsored
by
councillors,
kenzi
bach
and
councillor
liz
braden
and
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
february
3rd.
A
In
accordance
with
governor
baker's
march
12
2020
executive
order
we're
having
this
hearing
via
zoom.
This
helps
us
to
do
our
jobs,
but
also
balance
the
public
safety.
It
will
be
rebroadcasted
at
a
later
date.
On
february.
Excuse
me
on
xfinity
8
rcn82
verizon
964.
for
public
testimony.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee.
Email
at
ccc.go
at
boston.gov
will
be
made
a
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
A
A
This
will
amend
section
2
of
chapter
772
of
the
acts
of
1975,
as
most
recently
amended
by
section
11
of
chapter
3
to
373
of
the
acts
of
2018.
By
changing
the
definition
of
the
turned
landmark,
the
change
will
allow
for
local
resources
that
have
historical
significance
in
the
community
to
be
designated
as
landmarks
participating.
Today
are
carl
spector,
the
environment,
the
environment
commissioner,
roseanne
foley
executive
director
of
the
landmarks
commission,
lynn,
smilage.
A
I
apologize
smellage
smellage
thumbs
up
thumbs
up
if
I
guess
but
smileage,
chair
of
the
landmarks
and
craig
galler
gaylor,
I'm
hoping
I
got
that
right
from
the
executive
director
of
boston
preservation
alliance
and
allison
frazee
brazy,
possibly
assistant
director
of
the
boston
preservation
alliance.
The
committee
has
also
received
numerous
emails
supporting
the
homeworld
petition
and
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
for
those
who
will
not
be
participating
today,
we
did
receive
your
emails.
We
did
receive
your
phone
calls.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
letting
us
know
your
opinion
and
again,
as
stated,
it
has
been
overwhelmingly
positive
and
supportive,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
lead,
sponsors,
counselor
bach
and
then
council
braden
when
she
comes
in,
but
for
now
just
want
to
list
who's
in
order
of
arrival.
Who
is
also
participating
with
us
here,
along
with
counselor
bach
and
council
braden,
there's
councillor
flynn
and
councillor
baker,
I
believe,
as
other
counselors
come
in,
I
will
announce
them
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
the.
I
guess.
A
The
order
of
questions
and
whatnot,
we'll
very
likely
have
all
of
our
guest
speakers
speak
at
once.
After
we
do
introductory
remarks,
therefore,
we
can
kind
of
get
the
entire.
I
guess
conversation
going
and
then
we'll
have
counselors
go
through
with
any
questions
they
may
have
for
the
lead
sponsors
or
for
any
of
our
guests
today,
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
public
testimony
and
make
sure
that
we
can
get
as
many
people
testifying
as
possible.
A
We
do
have
people
signed
up
so
ideally
we're
going
to
try
our
best
to
make
sure
they
get
to
speak
as
soon
as
possible.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
counselor
bach
and
then,
if
council
braden
comes
in
we'll
turn
it
to
her
and
then
we'll
go
to
counselor
flynn
and
counselor
bank.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
and
fellow
councilors
members
of
the
public
for
being
here
today.
So
this
proposed
homeworld
petition
emerged
from
a
lot
of
conversations
that
I've
had
over
the
past
year
and
before
with
preservation,
advocates,
broadly
construed,
meaning
people.
You
know
across
our
neighborhoods
who
are
looking
to
preserve
some
of
boston's
history
and
in
talking
to
people
about
the
tools
that
we
have
and
and
the
ways
in
which
they
work
and
don't
work.
B
But
since
then,
in
certain
respects,
we've
been
lacked,
and
one
of
them
is
that
our
definition
of
the
landmark
in
in
the
landmarks
commission
enabling
legislation
says
that
a
landmark
has
to
be
of
significance
to
the
city
and
commonwealth,
which
basically
means
it
has
to
be
of
significance
to
the
commonwealth
or
the
nation,
and
and
really
since,
since
that
legislation
was
written.
B
There
are
lots
of
places
that
have
experimented,
and
I
think
done
so
really
successfully
with
making
local
landmarks
also
possible
places
that
are
of
significance
to
the
city
and
in
boston,
we're
now
less
than
a
decade
out
from
our
400th
anniversary
of
boston's
founding
in
2030,
and
I
think
that
this
really
should
be
a
decade
where
we
think
about
how
to
preserve
our
city's
history.
B
And
I
also
think
that,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
about
a
lot
as
a
historian
before
I
was
a
counselor,
is
just
about
the
importance
of
our
our
regulations
and
our
kind
of
government
attitudes
about
historic
preservation
catching
up
to
the
historical
field
and
one
of
the
things
the
historical
field's
gotten.
A
lot
better
at
since
1975
is
acknowledging
the
richness
and
diversity
of
history.
The
the
whole
field
of
immigrant
history
has
really
flourished.
The
the
you
know
focus
on
african-american
stories
native
american
history.
B
It's
just
like
both
who's
being
focused
on
and
the
tools
that
are
being
used
to
tell
that
wider
array
of
stories
has
really
really
evolved
in,
I
think,
really
important
ways
for
recognizing
all
types
of
bostonians,
and
I
think
that
the
standard
of
significance
to
the
common
welfare
nation
has
tended
to
be
interpreted
in
ways
that
have
privileged
buildings
of
significance
to
a
certain
kind
of
white
narrative
about
the
history
of
boston,
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
should
find
ways
to
undo
and
I
think
that
all
every
community
in
the
city
has
places
of
a
lot
of
importance
to
the
community
in
the
city
and
as
we
try
to
tell
that
story
of
boston
more
fully
in
the
coming
decade.
B
I
think
that
this
change
can
be
a
piece
of
that.
So
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
something.
That's
gonna
automatically
landmark.
I
think
that's
one
thing
we
should
just
get
out.
You
know
on
the
table
here:
there's
the
whole
legislation
still
sets
up
a
process
for
people
to
go
through
to
pursue
a
landmark.
It
doesn't
kind
of
just
take
every
old
building
and
make
it
landmarked
or
something
I
know,
there's
some
concern
about
about
that.
B
It's
more
just
a
question
of
you
know:
if
you've
got
a
if
you've
got
a
building,
that's
of
real
importance
to
the
city.
Can
you
go
through
this
process
to
get
it
landmarked
and
right
now
you're
getting
cut
off
of
the
past.
B
So
I
think
I
would
love
for
this
to
be
something
that
we
could
move
through
the
boston
city
council
and
send
up
to
the
state
house
as
councilor
edward
said,
it
would
need
consideration
there
and
the
signature
of
the
governor,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
many
many
people
who
have
written
and
reached
out
and
frankly,
the
community
advocates
from
whom
this
idea
came
originally.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
want
to
thank
cancer
park
for
allowing
me
to
co-sponsor
this
this
hearing
order
and
this
this
home
rule.
What
is
it
I
feel
strongly
about
this?
This
issue
and
I've
been
one
of
the
first
organizations
I
joined
when
I
came
to
this.
D
Neighborhood
was
the
historical
society,
because
it
was
a
way
to
understand
the
neighborhood
and
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
people
who
have
lived
here
over
over
hundreds
of
years,
and
I
feel
that
this
is
this
initiative
is
an
important,
important
thing
to
try
and
protect
some
of
our
buildings
and
and
places
even
in
our
neighborhoods,
that
are
very
significant
to
the
history
of
the
local
population
and
the
communities
have
lived
here
not
only
now
but
in
the
past,
and
I
think
it's
very
worthy
of
pursuing,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
successfully
navigate
it
through
and
up
to
the
city
up
to
the
state
house
for
approval.
D
E
And
thank
you
councillor
edwards.
Thank
you,
councillor,
braden
and
counselor
bark.
I
too
want
to
echo
what
both
councilor
braden
and
councillor
brock
emphasized
about.
E
You
know
the
the
proud
immigrant
roots
of
our
of
our
city
in
making
sure
that
we
recognize
certain
neighborhoods
in
certain
areas
and
certain
contributions,
especially
in
the
immigrant
community,
whether
it's
the
recently
arriving
immigrants
from
various
countries
are
or
if
it
was
the
irish
coming
over
110
years
ago,
but
I'm
really
interested
in
learning
more
about
the
contributions
of
the
immigrants
to
our
city
and
making
sure
that
that
history
is
is
kept.
E
As
as
a
historic
building
and
also
you
know,
I
know
it
has
to
go
up
to
the
state
house.
It
has
to
be
signed
approved
by
the
legislature
signed
by
the
governor,
but
I'm
just
also
wondering
if
there
are
proposals
that
are
already
in
the
pipeline
that
may
or
may
not
be.
E
You
know,
part
of
the
historic
designation
would
those
kind
of
be
grandfathered
in
and
get
basically
given
a
waiver,
I
should
say
or
what
that
process
would
be.
So
I
just
want
to
learn
more
about
this
proposal
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
council
about
councillor
braden
and
council
edwards
as
well.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
two.
The
two
lead
sponsors
on
this
important
issue
here
so
for
for
my
clarification
again,
I'm
here
to
listen
and
learn
to
see
what
it
is
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
so
so
we're
looking
to
have
the
city
of
boston
be
able
to
stand
alone
when
they
make
a
landmark
decision
and
and
that's
what
the
section
to
the
change
in
section
two
is
is
going
to
do.
I
know
it's
a
statement,
but
kenzie
can
you
answer
that.
A
Madam
chair,
do
you
mind
if
I,
if
I
just
do
my
my
quick
statement
and
then
we're
going
to
sure
sure,
hello,
everybody
and
just
real
quick?
That's
all
yeah.
I
don't
think
any
other
counselors
have
joined.
A
F
Player,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
for
hosting
the
hearing,
also
for
counselors
bach
and
braden
for
the
leadership
on
this
issue,
and
I've
often
stated
that
you
know
boston
is
a
city
with
enormous
historical
significance,
and
I
agree
with
the
sponsors
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
preserve
that
history
through
landmarks,
education
and
storytelling.
F
So
it's
it's
certainly
important
that
as
a
city,
we
are
able
to
exercise
local
authority
over
landmarks
to
preserve
our
rich
local
history,
and
it's
also
important
that
the
process
of
our
landmarks
commission
has
in
place.
You
know,
allows
for
them
to
do
a
thorough
vetting
and
it's
not
used
as
a
tool
to
to
slow
down
renovations
or
developments
or
bring
developments
to
a
grinding
halt.
F
So
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
you
know
more
about
this
petition
and
how
the
petition
will
enable
us
to
to
do
just
that
and
and
to
generally
learn
more
about
the
landmarks
process.
So
thank
you
again
to
the
sponsors
and
thank
you,
madam
chia.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
very
briefly
I
want
to.
I
also
thank
the
sponsors
and
my
colleagues
for
being
here
today.
You
know
I
see
this
as
really
not
an
anti-development
or
even
slowing
down
process,
as
so
much
as
a
pro
neighborhood
and
pro
city
pride
home
role
petition.
It's
about
how
we
can
amplify
how
every
single
one
of
us,
no
matter
where
we're
from
what
ship
we
came
on,
can
connect
to
some
aspect
of
boston
and
that
we
were
all
here
at
some
point.
A
I
I'm
beyond
excited
about
it,
because
I
think
it
really
helps
all
of
us
to
to
see
ourselves
more
in
the
city
and
to
preserve
how
we,
our
ancestors,
contributed
to
making
this
the
best
city
in
the
country.
I
also
wanted
to
just
note
that
you
know
there's
been
some
things
that
have
been
lost,
that
we'll
never
get
back,
because
I
think
people
are
confused
about
the
process
or
it
happened
too
late.
You
know,
east
boston
is
the
number
two
port
for
immigrants
in
the
country.
A
Only
behind
ellis
island
and
the
immigration
processing
center
was
torn
down
and
we
have
condos
where
that
is,
and
that's
painful,
to
know
that
we
didn't
know
to
value
that
until
it
was
already
gone.
Yes,
there
are
controversies
around
certain
aspects
and
whether
they'll
stop
development
or
not-
and
I
I
don't
want
this-
this
conversation
to
delve
into
that
that
is
not
about
today.
A
That's
not
what
today
is
about
it's
really
clarifying
the
process
and
how
we,
as
I
think-
and
I
want
to
thank
council,
braden
and
council
brock-
how
how
the
not
normal
people
but
how
everyday
people
can
be
part
of
preserving
their
history
and
being
prideful
of
their
neighborhoods
and
the
history
that
it
comes
from,
and
I
think
the
current
process
is
set
up
has
made
taking
that
out
of
the
hands
of
everyday
people
who
don't
really
know
about
it
until
it's
almost
too
late.
A
So
I
I
really
look
forward
to
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
council
brock
to
answer
you
know
just
nuts
and
bolts
how
this
would
work
in
terms
of
and
what
change
it's
making
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
guest
speakers
and
then
and
then
we'll
go
through
a
round
of
questions.
Answer.
B
B
The
legal
standard
that
they
have
to
make
the
decision
on
is
that
the
landmark
has
to
be
of
significance
to
the
state
or
the
nation
they
can't
if,
if
it
was
demonstrated
its
significance
to
at
the
city
level
like
that,
doesn't
clear
the
legal
standard
now
just
across
the
river
in
cambridge,
to
get
something
locally
landmarked
you
have
to
it
has
to
be
of
significance
to
the
city
of
cambridge.
So
this
isn't
like
a
crazy
thing
that
no
one
does
it.
B
It's
just
that
when
we
wrote
our
statute
back
in
the
70s,
we
made
it
that
state
ordination
standard,
and
so
it's
really
about
giving
the
flexibility
for
that
that
city
history
to
be
highlighted
in
this
process
as
well.
C
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
now
we're
going
to
go
to
our
panel
speakers,
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
each
one
and
then
we'll
just
have
you
all
speak
a
little
bit.
I'm
assuming
most
of
you
are
speaking
in
support
of
this
this
proposal,
if
you
are
not
that's
also
fine
you're,
welcome
to
give
your
your
take
on
this,
as
well
as
any
suggestions
for
language
or
things
in
other
ways
in
which
this
process
can
be
either
improved
or
and
which
made
the
homework
homo
petition.
A
Excuse
me
can
be
changed
so
we'll
go
ahead.
I
know
that
just
just
noted
dan
murphy
is
here
from
the
beacon
hill
times,
but
I
don't
believe
he's
testifying
he's
just
watching,
but
he
didn't
sign
up
so
unless
he
is
planning
on
testifying,
I
don't
think
so.
Just
hear
it
okay,
then
we
also
have
excuse
me
carl
spector,
from
the
environment
environment
commissioner,.
G
Okay,
so
a
counselor.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
also
here
with
roseanne
foley
from
the
environment
department,
who
is
executive
director
of
the
landmarks
commission
and
our
director
of
historic
preservation.
G
So,
yes,
we
are
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
of
the
proposal
that
councilor
bach
and
councillor
braden
have
submitted.
I
want
to
you
know,
absolutely
support
the
ideas
that
they've
already
presented.
You
know
from
our
point
of
view,
it
has,
in
addition
to
the
thematic
ideas
that
they
mentioned
council
edward
jewett
mentioned.
Also,
there
are
three
the
great
advantages
to
this
change:
small
as
it
is,
you
know,
first
of
all
it
I.
G
I
certainly
hope
it
provide
more
clarity,
because
it
has
also
often
been
confusing
about
exactly
what
the
standard
is
that
we
use
for
landmarks,
and
if,
in
the
process
of
passing
this
this
proposal,
we
also
can
do
some
more
education
of
the
community
of
the
neighborhoods
and
of
developers
about
the
standards
that
we
use.
That
is
all
to
the
good.
Also,
this
change
would
bring
us
would
give
us
more
consistency
already
in
the
state
of
in
the
city
of
boston.
G
We
do
do
some
historic
preservation
based
on
local
significance,
but
that
is
at
the
district
level.
We
have
architectural
conservation
districts
that
we
can
create
at
on
the
basis
of
local
significance
without
reaching
the
level
of
state
significance,
and
we
don't
see
any
reason
why
that
level
of
of
eligibility
shouldn't
apply
to
individual
landmarks,
also,
so
that
we
will
have
a
consistent
standard
that
we
use
for
all
the
historic
preservation
that
we
do.
The
third
reason
is
efficiency
because
of
the
existing.
G
Differences
in
eligibility
that
we
have,
we
have
made
some
attempts
to
protect
individual
buildings
by
instead
of
landmarking
them,
creating
very,
very
small
historic
districts
for
which
we
can
use
the
standard
of
local
significance
except
the
problem
is
that's
a
much
more
cumbersome
and
a
more
complicated
and
a
lengthier
process,
and
we
would
prefer
not
to
have
to
go
through
that
if
we
don't
have
to
so
we
think
this
is
a
very
good
proposal
and
we
certainly
support
its
passage
council
edwards.
G
My
suggestion,
if
you
like,
since
councillor
flynn,
asked
some
questions
about
how
we
actually
go
about
the
process
of
finding
a
building
to
be
historically
significant,
perhaps
roseanne
foley
could
speak
next
and
give
a
very
quick
overview
of
how
we
go
through
that
process
and
add
any
additional
comments.
She
would
like
to
make
about
this
specific
proposal.
A
She
is,
she
is
up
next
to
speak
anyway,
so
that's
great,
so
again,
roseanne
foley
from
the
executive
director
of
the
landmarks
commission.
H
H
It
will
be
wonderful
to
have
locally
significant
landmarks
and,
as
carl
mentioned
right
now,
we
are
doing
single
property,
architectural
conservation
districts,
but
they
have
all
the
they
go
through
the
same
rigmarole.
As
you
know,
a
large,
a
large
district,
so
it'll
it'll
be
really
helpful.
H
The
way
that
landmarking
happens
is
that
a
petition
by
10
voters
registered
voters
comes
through
for
whichever
resource
it
is
that
folks
want
to
designate,
and
then
it
goes
before
the
commission.
They
either
accept
or
don't
accept
the
petition.
Then
there
is
a
it
goes
on
a
waiting
list.
It's
called
a
pending
landmark
until
we
get
the
resources
to
do
the
study
report,
that's
also
written
out
in
the
state
legislation
and
are
enabling
legislation.
H
H
The
public
is
involved
in
the
study
report
process.
It
is
posted,
it
is
made
available
for
input,
and
the
voting
once
it
takes
place,
hopefully
in
the
affirmative,
would
go
to
the
mayor
and
then
the
city
council
and
then
finally
is
registered
at
the
registry
of
deed.
So
it's
not
a
matter
of
waving
any
kind
of
magic
wand
and
having
something
happen
immediately.
A
You
lynn
miller,
chair
of
the
landmarks
commission.
I
Thank
you
so
much
councillor,
zbach
and
braden
for
bringing
forward
this
really
important
issue.
I've
been
privileged
to
sit
on
the
landmarks
commission
for
12
years,
11
of
those
as
chair,
and
also
in
the
four-point
channel,
local
historic
district
commission
and
the
study
committee
for
the
prospective
highland
park
conservation
district
in
roxbury.
I
So
the
boston
landmarks
commission
has
three
only
three
preservation
tools
that
we
can
use
to
protect
our
built
heritage
and
of
those
three
two
of
them
really
don't
work
too.
Well.
We
really
need
good
tools
now,
especially
today,
in
light
of
the
record-breaking
number
of
buildings
that
are
being
demolished
across
the
city.
I
I
So
just
briefly
mention
the
three
tools
I
know
we're
talking
about
landmarking
today,
the
first
one
carl
mentioned
the
local
historic
districts
like
the
south
end
district
back
bay,
beacon,
hill
fort
point
channel.
They
work
very
nicely
protecting
the
buildings
in
those
districts.
However,
they
take
years
to
put
in
place
it's
a
very
lengthy,
complicated
process.
I
Article
85
demolition
delay
is
our
second
tool
with
which
most
of
you,
I
think,
are
probably
familiar,
and
I
think,
there's
pretty
general
agreement
that
it
doesn't
work
at
all,
largely
a
waste
of
time
and
effort.
The
third
tool
is
landmarking
and
landmarking
is
tricky,
because
we
can
only
landmark
a
handful
of
buildings.
In
fact,
right
now
there
are
about
110
buildings,
landmarked
in
boston.
I
The
vast
majority
of
buildings
in
boston
aren't
eligible
today
to
be
a
boston
landmark
and
that's
what
this
will
fix,
that
pesky
word
and
and
the
lack
of
a
comma
in
the
legislation
forces
us
to
only
consider
buildings
eligible
for
landmarking
that
are
important
beyond
boston,
and
I
believe
we
believe
that
a
building
needs
to
be
important
to
bostonians,
to
be
a
boston
landmark
not
to
the
state
or
the
region
or
the
the
nation.
I
So
this
ambiguous
language
has
been
a
problem
for
a
while
since
1975.
In
fact,
these
handcuffs
have
made
it
nearly
impossible
to
achieve
equity
across
the
city,
which
has
already
been
noted.
A
diversity
of
worthy
buildings
that
are
meaningful
to
their
neighborhoods.
Just
can't
meet
the
bar
of
significant
beyond
boston.
I
A
Thank
you,
then.
We
have
up
next
greg
gaylor
executive
director
of
boston
preservation,
alliance.
J
Good
afternoon
and
I'll
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
alliance,
even
though
you
mentioned
allison
frazee
on
our
staff
she's
not
going
to
be
speaking
this
afternoon,
we
are
an
advocacy
organization
representing
40
other
non-profits
over
100
businesses
and
residents
throughout
the
city,
and
there
is
a
great
concern
that
boston
is
losing
its
uniqueness
and
that
neighborhoods
are
being
homogenized
that
we're
losing
the
places
residents
consider
important
to
their
self-definition,
and
I
thank
you
counselors
in
particular
bach
and
braden,
for
sponsoring
and
chair
edwards,
for
taking
action
on
this
item.
J
We're
very
much
in
support.
We've
long
flagged
as
problematic
the
way
that
we
protect
our
historic
resources
that
play
such
a
critical
role,
not
only
in
the
economy
of
the
city,
but
in
the
social
health
of
boston
residents.
Every
boston
resident
should
be
able
to
see
themselves
in
our
city's
past
as
it's
reflected
in
our
physical
landscape.
Everyone
has
the
right
to
be
empowered
by
knowing
that
people
like
them
have
played
a
significant
role
throughout
boston's
history.
They
shouldn't
just
be
a
privilege
of
a
select
few.
J
It's
an
equity
and
an
honesty
issue
about
our
history.
That
needs
correction.
As
others
have
mentioned,
this
change
is
an
important
step
and,
as
you've
already
heard
from
others,
the
legislation
that
allows
the
designation
of
boston
landmarks
really
makes
no
sense.
Places
that
are
significant
to
boston
should
be
able
to
become
boston
landmarks.
That
would
be
logical,
I'm
in
regular
dialogue
with
peers
across
the
nation
working
in
historic
preservation
and
when
I've
mentioned
in
the
past,
this
odd
boston
restriction
on
landmarking
protection.
J
I'm
also
often
asked
if
I'm
kidding
like
really
are
you
serious,
because
this
isn't
how
most
cities
operate?
Just
this
morning,
I
emailed
colleagues
across
the
country
to
get
confirmation
that
local
significance
is
sufficient
for
them.
So
far,
I've
confirmed
this
case
in
a
number
of
cities
and
I'll
list
them.
Washington
dc,
los
angeles,
milwaukee,
san
antonio
fort
worth,
dallas,
houston,
providence,
baltimore,
denver,
chicago
cleveland,
new
orleans,
philadelphia
and
new
york
city
and
the
list
will
grow
as
I
get
more
responses.
This
is
not
a
radical
idea.
J
J
Our
current
system
is
simply
not
equitable,
as
places
associated
with
black
latinx
asian
lbgtq
histories.
Sadly,
don't
have
as
well
documented
national
frameworks
and
much
of
that
history
was
kind
of
by
the
nature
of
the
historical
plight
intentionally
kept
below
a
prominent
national
story
and
as
an
important
reminder.
Just
because
something
is
landmarks
doesn't
mean,
places
are
frozen
in
time,
never
to
be
changed.
The
preservation
community
supports
the
evolution
of
the
city.
J
We
just
ask
that
it
be
well
considered
and
that
changes
to
properties
considered
by
bostonians
to
be
particularly
important,
receive
extra
scrutiny
and
review.
Now
I
know
I
shouldn't
spend
any
more
time.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
couple
of
specific
examples
where
this
change
would
have
been
beneficial.
J
A
Thank
you
so
very
much
so
we're
gonna
go
actually
because
the
fact
that
we
have
some
people
signed
up
for
public
testimony
and
we're
almost
we're
at
four
thirty
six
they've
been
waiting.
If
it's
okay
with
the
lead
funds,
I'm
gonna
go
it's
not
that
many
people
they've
signed
up
to
go
ahead
and
let
the
public
speak
a
little
bit
trying
to
put
them
a
little
bit
towards
the
front,
and
then
we
can
go
through
a
round
with
the
counselors
okay.
A
A
A
I
have
a
holly
berry.
Is
that
the
same
as
holly
grooves.
B
A
K
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
the
counselors
for
this
very
thoughtful
long,
overdue
time
urgent
proposal
and
I
think,
there's
clearly
overwhelming
support
and
I
don't
want
to
repeat
too
much
the
wonderful
and
eloquent
valid
points.
People
are
bringing
up,
but,
as
a
you
know,
a
community
volunteer.
K
I
volunteer
with
fenway
cdc
race
and
equity
has
been
at
the
first
and
foremost
for
this
past
year
and
it's
you
know,
caused
and
had
a
lot
of
pause
for
people
to
stop
and
think
what
I
would
say
about
this
as
a
layperson,
not
a
counselor.
Nobody
on
the
committees-
I
would
say
two
things
about
it,
and
one
is
that
when
we're
considering-
and
this
might
have
more
to
do
with
the
language,
but
when
we're
thinking
about
a
piece
of
prop
property
is
a
landmark.
K
I
like
the
idea
of
some
true
equity
and
inclusiveness
of
people
of
color
and
many
different
cultures,
and
I
would
say
that
I
guess
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
the
whole
process
should
be
available
in
multi-language,
and
I
think
it
wouldn't
even
hurt
to
have
some
sort
of
campaign
on
on
this.
In
the
in
the
general
public
in
in
the
areas
of
roxbury
and
dorchester,
because
there's
people
like
myself
that
didn't
even
know
I
mean
I
knew
there
was
some
sort
of
a
landmark
committee.
K
K
It's
done
in
a
way
that
is
truly
inclusive
thinking
outside
the
box
in
terms
of
getting
people
involved
that
want
to
see
their
their
cities
be
a
mirror
of
them,
so
inclusive,
true
equity
means
notifying
and
including
everybody
in
those
communities,
and
I
hope
that
the
paperwork
and
the
process
of
going
through
and
trying
to
get
one
site
for
a
landmark
is
not
so
difficult
that
it
excludes
people
and
that's
people
of
different
cultures,
language
and
colors.
And
I
thank
you
and
I'm
in
full
support
of
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
go.
I
think
I
looked
for
stan
everett.
I
did
not
see
him,
he
may
be
the
phone
number.
I've
also
looked
for
a
daniel,
cruel
witch.
I
did
not
see
him
or
is
daniel
here.
A
L
Thank
you,
councillor
edwards,
my
name
is
douglas
scala,
I'm
a
principal
of
epsilon
associates
and
I
work
with
the
landmarks
commission
staff
and
the
folks
at
the
boston
preservation
alliance
on
a
fairly
regular
basis,
so
we're
very
familiar
with
the
article
85
process,
the
local
district
review
process,
as
well
as
the
landmark
current
landmarking
process,
just
curious
to
know.
If
there's
given,
if
there's
been
given
any
thought
to
how
the
transitioning
of
the
new
policy
would
take
place
or
if
that
would
be
part
of
a
future
discussion.
A
I
can
turn
that
over
to
councillor
bach,
if
she
wanted
to
answer
that
very
briefly
with
the
amendment,
would
there
be
any
change
in
the
policy
or
the
process?
Excuse
me.
B
So
the
amendment
itself,
obviously
doesn't
it
doesn't
change
anything
about
the
process.
It
just
changes
the
standard.
I
think
that
you
know.
I
think
that
counselor
flynn
had
also
raised
the
question
of
like
what
would
be
the.
What
would
there
be
a
transition
period
in
the
landmark
commission's
implementation
of
this?
And
I
would
imagine
I
mean
that's
something
I
think
that
we
should
discuss
the
law
on
its
face
is
just
going
to
say.
B
Oh
now,
the
standard's
different,
I
think,
probably
usually
it
would
be
typical
for
a
body
like
landmarks
to
kind
of
not
go
back
retroactively
on
things
that
we're
already
in,
but
I
think
I
think
counselor
edwards
it
is.
It
is
a
question
for
us
to
discuss
and
I
know,
like
I
said,
counselor
edwards
bro
counselor
flynn
brought
it
up
too.
B
I
think
it's
more
of
a
administrative
question
like
a
question
about
sort
of
the
administration
of
the
change
than
then
then
about
amending
the
language,
because
the
idea
here
is
just
to
slightly
change
that
definition
of
the
statute
by
replacing
that
and
with
a
comma.
A
A
So
first
we'll
just
I
don't
know,
counselor
bach.
If
you
had
any
questions
or
thoughts
or
go
ahead,
a
great
sponsor.
B
No
just
I
mean
I
appreciated.
I
think
my
questions
were
really
along
the
lines
of
what
I
think
commissioner,
spector
and
roseanne
and
lynn
have
already
spoken
to,
which
is
the
question
of
of
whether
this
actually
as
it
currently
stands,
creates
a
problem
for
the
landmarks
commission,
because,
obviously
you
know
we
don't
need
to
go
in
search
of
problems
to
fix
if
they're,
if
they're
not
there.
B
But
I
think
for
me
knowing
that
we're
even
doing
single
building
conservation
districts,
sort
of
underscores
the
point
that
which
is
not
actually
something
I
knew
before
your
testimony.
B
It
underscores
the
point
of
why
this
makes
sense
because
at
the
point
in
which
you're
doing
a
single
building
conservation,
district,
you're
sort
of
you're
using
one
tool,
because
the
other
isn't
suiting
the
purpose.
So
so
that
really
answered
that
question
for
me-
and
I
think
otherwise,
madam
chair
I'll,
yield
to
others,
and
I'm
happy
to
also
take
questions
from
others
if
they
have
one
for
the
author.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
edwards.
I
have
one
question
in
one
comment.
I'll
start
with
my
question.
First,
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
this,
if
this
passes,
does
the
landmark
commission
as
we
go
into
the
budget
season
now
the
city
council
with
mayor,
but
if
this
passes
do
you
need
any
additional
funding
in
your
budget
to
make
these
changes
and
if
so,
what
do
you
think
you
would
need
to
hire?
G
G
So
it's
it's
hard
to
tell
how
many
new
applications
this
will
bring
out.
As
we
already
indicated,
we've
already
been
using
some
started
using
some
workarounds
to
landmark
buildings
that
didn't
don't
meet
the
current
standard
through
making
them
very,
very
small
districts.
G
E
Okay,
no,
I
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
it's
an
important
discussion
for
us
to
have,
especially
at
the
budget
at
budget
time.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
right
resources
and
tools
to
do
your
job,
so
that
was
the
reason
I
was
asking,
but
thank
you.
Thank
you,
carl
and
my
my
final
question.
E
J
Yes,
thank
you
counselors.
As
someone
outside
the
city,
who
maybe
is
a
little
bit
more
liberated
to
speak
openly,
you
know
I
spoke
at
budget
hearings
last
year
that
you
know
our
opinion
is
very
clear
that
the
landmarks
commission
is
already
woefully
inadequately
funded
and
staffed
to
do
their
existing
work.
I
don't
think
this
inherently
makes
that
more
of
a
problem,
as
crown
noted
in
some
weird
tweaks
because
of
the
workarounds.
J
E
E
I
don't
want
to
see
something
implemented
where
we
don't
provide
the
necessary
resources
where
city
employees
can't
can't
do
their
job
effectively
or
we're
just
piling
on
more
work
for
our
dedicated
city
employees.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
funding
to
do
their
job.
So
that's
that's
an
important
aspect
of
it.
So
thank
you
and
then
my
final
point
is
to
holly.
E
Engagement
and
I'm
glad
you
highlighted
that
holly,
because
that's
an
important
important
part
of
it
and
I
think,
as
we
again
as
we
go
into
the
budget
season,
we
have
to
look
at
language
and
communication
access,
which
is
part
of
the
part
of
the
city
city
of
boston
department.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
fully
funded
as
well
to
make
sure
that
our
immigrant
neighbors
also
are
able
to
engage
in
all
kinds
of
basic
city
services.
So
thank
you,
holly
for
bringing
that
up.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
have
a
a
couple
questions
and,
if
we're
not
able,
it's
probably
for
you,
carla
for
you
roseanne,
and
if
we're
not
able
to
answer
them
through
the
chair,
if
you
can
send
them
to
my
email,
that
would
be
sufficient
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
parcels
or
buildings
that
we
have
in
the
process
right
now
throughout
the
whole
city.
That
would
be
one
in
the
process
right
now.
C
Two
I'd
like
to
know:
are
there
any
buildings
right
now
that
that
are
being
advocated,
for
that
would
need
this
type
of
change.
That
would
be
too.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
any
of
those
now
or
should
I
do
you
want
to
just
send
email
communication.
A
C
Are
in
the
are
looking
to
be
landmarked?
Are
there
any
buildings
right
now
that
are
looking
to
be
landmarked
in
the
city?
That's
question
one
and
two
would
be:
are
there
any
buildings
or
apostles
that
that
right
now
are
kind
of
holding
back
where
people
are
talking
about
it
that
are
waiting
on
a
designation
like
this,
like
this
change
here?
A
Yes,
yes,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
in
case
we
had
to
do
a
follow-up
via
email
which,
it
might
be
might
be.
More
looks
like
we
might
have
to
do
that
and
we
can
get
you
the
numbers
of
both.
H
I
can
do
that
counselor.
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
there.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
single
property,
architectural
conservation
districts
that
are
pending
yeah
and
another
one
that
is
coming
through,
but
I
yeah
we
definitely
have.
You
know
we
can
get
to
the
numbers
on
pending
pending
landmarks
and
you
know
where
they
are
in
the.
C
C
Okay
and
then,
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
greg-
you
had
mentioned
the
two,
the
two
buildings
that
the
one
the
gateway
and
then
the
heat
street
brewery.
That's
behind
you.
What
are
what
are
the
significance
of
those,
and
I
mean
the
building
behind
you.
We
should
be
able
to
find
a
developer
that
will
repurpose
that
and
keep
that
building
the
way
it
is
it's
a
beautiful
looking
building.
So
can
you
talk
about
those
two
buildings
in
particular
and
what
what
was
the
significance
within
those
buildings
that
that
they
should
be
designated.
J
Sure
I
mean
this
building
was
one
of
a
series
of
breweries
in
the
neighborhood
there
were
some
innovative
technological
developments,
marketing
developments.
It
was
developed
by
a
german
immigrant.
That
has
a
really
interesting
story
and
it
was
really
important
in
the
development
of
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
really
the
landmark
history
here
and
you
know
you're
right
that
this
would
be
a
great
building
to
be
developed
and
we
have
a
recalcitrant
owner
who's
sitting
on
it
and
it's
kind
of
doing
demolition
by
neglect.
J
That
would
be
harder
to
do
if
it
were
a
landmark.
The
building
in
kenmore
square
was
an
important
sort
of
residence
hotel
and
I
think
there
were
some
really
interesting
local
characters
important
to
the
development
of
the
neighborhood.
J
It
also
was
one
of
the
few
places
left
that
really
talked
about
the
history
of
kenmore
square
and
how
it
evolved
is
an
important
part
of
the
city
in
a
place
that
was
sort
of
a
little
bit
on
the
edge
of
the
city
at
one
point,
so
there
would
be
a
case
to
be
made
there.
At
least
there
would
have
been
opportunity
for
a
discussion
and
I
think
that's
an
important
part
of
this
change
is
you
know
when
people
say
what
have
we
lost
because
of
this?
J
A
lot
of
these
aren't
even
considered,
because
you
know
you
have
a
preliminary
conversation
and
say
I
wouldn't
make
the
standard,
because
it's
not
local
or
regional,
so
you
don't
even
have
a
robust
conversation
that
may
or
may
not
lead
to
landmarking,
and
sometimes
just
that
conversation
is
important
enough
to
have
to
get
a
developer
or
property
owner
the
city
to
look
at
something
differently.
We
don't
even
have
those
conversations
on
so
many
properties.
C
J
I
don't
have
all
the
details
in
front
of
me.
It's
last
use,
I
believe,
was
as
part
storage
for
some
automobile
making
parts.
Yeah
it's
been
vacant
for
a
number
of
years.
The
current
owner,
I
believe,
has
held
it.
For
I
don't
know
five
to
ten
years.
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
and
I've
heard
from
a
number
of
counselors
and
a
number
of
developers
who
want
to
do
something
and
he's
just
sitting.
There.
C
J
Not
30.,
there
was
another
development
that
went
bankrupt
about
10
15.
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
you
further
counselor.
C
I
think
there
should
be
some
sort
of
funds
there
available
for
that
person.
That
kind
of
happens
upon
that
they
they
buy
it
or
maybe
they're
in
the
process
of
buying
it
and
it
becomes
landmarked.
I
mean
I
think
there
should
be.
If
we're
asking
people
to
you
know
bring
something
back
to
its
original
character.
You
know
that
may
be
a
difference
of
you
know.
C
A
million
or
a
couple
million
bucks
is:
is
there
any
money
attached
to
any
of
this
for
people
that
that
you
know,
may
may
buy
these
properties
or
look
to
look
to
make
these
properties
better?
That's
just
a
thought,
maybe
for
the
group
and
moving
forward.
I
know
there
isn't
any
money
available,
but
it
should
be
something
that
is
attached
to
it.
So
those
are
my.
H
Comments,
council,
baker.
I
did
want
to
make
the
point
that
when
something
is
landmarked,
it
there's
free
design
services
provided
by
the
the
landmarks
commission
and-
that's
not
you
know,
that's
not
minor.
C
No,
I
know
but
roseanne
if
it's,
if
it's
free
design
services
to
take
a
single
family
and
turn
it
into
a
really
nice
single
family
instead
of
a
single
family
that
may
go
to
three
or
four
units
which
th,
which
the
person
that's
developing,
that
land
may
need.
Those
may
need
those
units,
so
it
might
be
a
little
little
more
than
just
the
design
services.
F
Yep,
thank
you,
man,
just
a
quick
question
about
the
existing
process
and
and
probably
to
roseanne.
I
think
roseanne
may
have
started
to
touch
on
it,
but
I'm
just
curious
to
see
whether
or
not
you
felt
that
you
know
this
would
lead
to
additional
applications
for
land
marketing
and,
if
so,
would
it
be
like
a
tsunami
would
would
you
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to
handle
the
flow
of
all
those
additional
new
requests,
for
you
know
to
enter
into
the
the
existing
process.
H
Hi
counselor
flirty.
What
we
have
right
now
is
a
situation
where
people
submit
petitions
for
historic
properties
and
we
need
to
spend
staff
time
researching
and
going
through
and
then
finally,
after
a
month
or
a
month
and
a
half
come
up
with
the
the
sad
conclusion
that
it's
not
above
local
significance
and
sometimes
people
say,
can
you
can
you
please
look
again
and
it
turns
into
a
it's
still
a
time
drain
on
on
staff
to
go
through
this.
H
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
we're
still
looking
at
a
lot
of
these
locally
significant
resources
and
they're,
just
not
getting
to
the
next
level,
where
the
commission
gets
a
chance
to
see
them
and
vote
whether
or
not
to
accept
the
petition,
so
the
rest
of
it
I'll
leave
to
others
like
greg
to
respond
to,
but
but
yeah.
So
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
for
naught.
F
It's
interesting,
so,
yes,
is
there
an
existing
like
registry?
If
you
will
of
of
sort
of
commission
approved
landmarks
or
in
the
event
that
I
mean
it
seems
as
though
like
it
seems
like
the
triggering
event,
the
triggering
event
for-
and
this
could
just
be
my
vantage
point
and
you
roseanne-
you
have
a
front
row
seat
for
it,
but
it
seems
like
the
triggering
event
for
the
inquiry
is
it'll,
be
a
proposed
redevelopment
or
it'll
be
a
sale
of
a
particular
property.
F
Then
all
of
a
sudden,
everyone
gets
all
up
in
arms
and
they
all
are
curious
as
to
what's
going
to
happen
and
what
is
the
new
organ?
What
is
the
new
owner
going
to
do
and
they're
going
to
preserve
this
they're
going
to
preserve
that?
Are
they
going
to
tear
it
down
et
cetera?
That
seems
to
be
sort
of
the
the
impetus
for
the
inquiry
and
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we
have
the
ability
to
sort
of
have,
I
guess
our
own
sort
of
boston
registry?
F
If
you
will
so
it's
sort
of
already
sort
of
an
existing
situation
where
whoever's
buying
it
and
or
folks
in
the
neighborhood
understand
sort
of
the
parameters
around.
You
know
whether
it's
it
surpasses
locally,
significant
and
or
it's
already
been
sort
of
approved.
F
It's
already
been
through
the
process,
the
vetting
process
that
it
is
a
landmark
situation.
It
seems,
though,
and
then
I
go-
you
go
from
development
to
development
issue
development
issue
across
the
city
as
an
at-large
counselor,
and
it
seems
as
though
that
that
event,
the
notice
of
the
sale
and
or
the
proposal
that
gets
submitted
is
the
triggering
event,
and
I
was
just
curious
to
see
whether
or
not
we
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
be
way
ahead
of
that
process.
H
Well,
it's
I'm
sorry.
Counselor
yeah.
A
I
wanted
to,
I
said:
greg
had
wanted,
I
think,
to
follow
up
on
your
the
previous
question
and
then
might
have
some
insight
on
some
of
these
other
things
and
then
I'll
go
back
to
go
back
to
you
roseanne.
If
that's
okay,.
J
Thank
you
counselor.
It's
actually
interesting,
because
the
the
two
questions
are
surprisingly
related
in
in
council
authority.
You
raise
a
very
good
point
and
something
we've
been
raising
for
a
while.
Is
you
know
in
boston?
We've
been
managing
this
very
poorly
in
part
again,
because
the
landmarks
commission
is
understaffed
and
underfunded
that
we
should
be
more
proactive
instead
we're
playing
whack-a-mole
and
that's
really
not
how
landmarking
should
work.
We
shouldn't
be
waiting
until
someone
proposes
something
for
property
for
some
people
to
suddenly
say.
Oh,
my
gosh,
that's
important.
J
We
should
be
protecting
it.
We
should
be
ahead
of
the
curve.
We
need
to
be
updating
our
surveys
across
the
city.
Many
of
the
surveys
of
historic
resources
are
old
and
don't
address.
The
very
issue
we're
talking
about,
which
is
what
counselor
bach
mentioned
early
on.
Is
that
what
we
look
at
is
significant
in
history
today
whose
stories
it
represents,
who
it
says,
are
not
reflected
in
the
inventories
of
historic
resources
from
20
30
40
years
ago.
They
just
don't
look
at
places
the
same
way
and
whose
stories
so
that's
number
one.
J
We
should
be
getting
more
ahead
of
it.
So
it's
not
the
situation
that
you
explain
and
it's
unfortunate
the
way
it's
working
a
lot
that
people
are
fortunately
are
desperate
and
have
to
wait
because
they
don't
know-
and
that's
not
fair,
not
only
to
neighborhoods
and
residents
and
not
it's
not
fair
to
property
owners
or
developers,
because
they
look
at
a
historic
property.
We
hear
all
this
time.
It's
like
they
buy
a
building,
it's
not
listed
anywhere.
Why
should
they
think
it's
significant
next
thing.
J
J
I
mean
legally,
this
is
not
considered
a
taking
that's
been
upheld
in
the
court
for
years,
but
we
want
to
be
more
transparent
with
people,
and
that
means
we
should
be
understanding
our
historic
resources
which
are
landmarkable
which
are
not
which
neighborhoods
care
about,
as
well
as
which
have
issues
related
to
climate
change
and
resiliency
in
historic
properties.
We
should
be
doing
all
that
at
once,
and
that's
something
that
the
city
should
be
looking
in
a
robust
way
to
deal
with
the
challenge
you
raise.
A
H
Yeah
thanks
counselor.
I
obviously
second
a
lot
of.
F
F
H
Sorry
so
yeah,
so
we
don't
blindside.
Anyone
and
everything
is,
you
know
very
clear.
If
you
buy
a
house,
it's
historic.
If
you,
you
know,
we
have
a
map,
all
that
so
which.
F
I
think,
obviously
the
question
is
is
is
how
we
can
work
together
to
make
sure
that
the
landmarks
is
is
sufficiently
funded
to
allow
new
folks
to
do
the
job,
that's
necessary
to
to
identify
the
appropriate
sites
and
parcels
and
buildings
etc,
and
then
also
and
then
to
greg's
point
to.
Obviously
the
credibility
standpoint
is
that
you
know
the
building
behind.
F
You
has
been
there
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
now
thrust
into
this
situation
because
of
again
potential
sale
or
what
have
you
and
obviously
that
version
repeats
itself
across
the
city
and
from
a
credibility
standpoint.
You
know
very
much
like
when
folks
feel,
like
the
cake
is
baked
with
certain
development
projects.
F
Same
can
be
said
for
folks
that
are
advocating
for
a
building
to
be
landmarked
so
that
they
don't
get
accused
of
just
coming
out
of
the
woodwork
to
stall
something
or
to
prevent
something
or
because
they
don't
like
the
new
owner
or
etc.
I
think
making
sure
that
you
guys
have
the
resources
to
again
be
on
the
front
end
of
this
as
opposed
to
sort
of
playing
catch
up
and
being
brought
in
and
then
having
people
sort
of
question
the
timing
of
it,
etc.
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way.
F
You
know
on
the
transparency
front,
but
again
you
know
we
as
counselors
were
out
there
across
the
city,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
that
you
know
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
faith
and
confidence.
You
know
in
in
the
development
process
and
or
in
situations
like
this
and
you
know
by
having
the
lines
of
communication
and
that
the
transparency
is
critical.
F
I
think
so
that
people
you
know
so
that
they
believe
in
the
process
and
they
believe
in
the
system
and
that
they
don't
think
that
you
know
the
fix
is
in
if
you
will
so
having
having
you
guys
on
the
front
end
of
all
of
that
identifying
you
know
the
appropriate
sites
across
the
city
that
you
know
obviously
have
surpassed
that
that
local
significance,
I
think,
is
huge
in
the
pro
on
the
whole
process,
so
so
anyways.
F
We
can
be
helpful
with
respect
to
making
sure
that
you
have
the
appropriate
resources.
I
think
that
we
should
be
having
that
conversation
as
well.
So
I.
M
F
Chair,
I
appreciate
the
lead
sponsors
attention
to
this.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
just
wanna
note
the
good
thing
that
we,
the
good
thing
that
we
have
in
counselor
bach,
is
not
only
is
she
a
leader
in
this
conversation
she's
also
the
chair
of
ways
and
means,
and
so
she
will
be
talking,
I'm
sure
she'll
come
back
to
all
of
us
as
colleagues
about
all
these
wonderful
excitement
that
we
have
for
increasing
budget
items,
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
note
her
leadership.
A
Also
when
it
comes
to
that
conversation,
we
look
forward
to
hearing
from
you
greg
and
all
the
other
folks,
especially
during
budget
season.
I
think
what
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
is
examples
of
how
historic
preservation
and
development
work
together.
You
know
we.
This
is
the
conversation
that
I
think
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
take
back
to
my
district.
You
know
that
when
people
come
and
to
set
realistic
expectations,
you
know,
if
you're
coming
here
as
just
a
a
whack-a-mole
trying
to
stop
any
form
of
development.
A
So,
okay,
it's
too
big,
okay,
fine!
Then
it's
historically
present.
Okay,
fine!
Then
it's
in
it's
by
the
marsh
okay!
Fine!
It's!
But
you
know,
then,
that's
not
that's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
encourage
to
give
another
tool
to
just
come
up
with
something
to
stop
something.
You
don't
like
that
being
said.
When
there
has
been
the
beautiful
building,
such
as
the
one
behind
you
and
the
developer
does
buy
it.
Are
there
examples
of
the
marrying
of
the
two?
So
that's
one
question
I'll
put
up.
A
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
note
is
for
to
answer
counselor
baker's
question
that
he
asked
about
pipelines
and
projects.
I
know
the
nazarro
center
in
the
north
end,
which
is
formerly
a
bath
house
for
immigrants
now
as
a
community
center.
A
One
of
the
biggest
concerns
is
as
as
we're
creating
a
larger
modern
community
center
someplace
else
in
the
north
end.
What
do
we
do
with
those
buildings
right?
So
the
big
push
is
not
to
have
it
become
just
luxury
condos
right
and
so
again,
when
we
go
to
have
sit
down
and
have
this
conversation,
we
had
a
bunch
of
amazing
kids
from
architectural
school
boston
architecture,
society
students
come
in
and
design
it
a
community-led
design.
But
how
do
we
marry
that?
A
How
do
we
have
that
conversation
and
it
speaks
to
the
organizing,
which
is
my
third
point-
that
we
need
to
do
when
it
comes
to
historic
preservation?
We
we
definitely
are
trying
to
preserve
a
lot
of
people
and
stop
displacement,
but
the
destruction
of
our
buildings
deserves
a
grassroots
movement
as
well.
That
is
diverse,
it's
multilingual
and
that
is,
it
is
well
funded.
A
So
I
would
look
to
those
organizations
that
are
here
today
wondering
what
your
connection
is
with
the
youth,
how
how
multilingual,
you're,
organizing
or
do
you
organize
and
how
to
make
sure
that
you
marry
that,
so
that
we
are
not
simply
coming
in
after
the
fact
coming
in
mostly
in
english,
coming
in
mostly
with
people
with
a
lot
of
wonderful
letters
behind
their
names,
because
they
have
all
this
wonderful
education
coming
in
lacking
the
diversity
of
the
neighborhood
that
they're
coming
into
right.
A
It
should
be
a
grassroots
movement
for
preserving,
what's
beautiful,
about
our
neighborhoods
and
then.
Finally,
in
terms
of
funding,
I
would
I
would
love
to
hear
how
cpa
money,
since
historic
preservation
is
part
of
one
of
the
line
items
that
it's
allowed
to
be
used
for
again.
Another
example
of
counselor
box
leadership
before
she
was
on
the
city
council
she's
from
that
campaign
as
well.
But
how
would
this
help
I'd
assume
getting
some
landmarks
designation
for
some
some
buildings
or
some
projects
or
some
areas?
A
Would
that
help
with
cpa
money
and
m
applications?
So
I
say
it's
four
buckets.
One
is
what's
good
examples
of
historic
preservation
and
development,
just
a
noted
to
council
bigger
than
azar
center
and
then
the
other
two
cpa
money
being
used
for
designated
property
and
then
also
community
organizing
for
historic
preservation
to
get
out
there
and
find
these
landmarks
before
they're
up
for
failed
to
get
out
there
and
be
excited
about
their
neighborhoods.
I
I
know
again,
council
back,
you
did
it
on
the
environmental
component
with
the
conservation
corps.
A
I
don't
know
this
conservation
corps
could
include
a
set
of
folks
who
are
out
there
for
historical
purposes
as
well.
So
those
are
my
my
my
thoughts
to
I
think
greg
you
initially
physically
moved.
I
assumed
you
had
some
thoughts
on
it
and
then
I'll
go
to
roseanne,
lynn
and
and
and
carl,
if
you
wanted
to
respond.
J
Great
thank
you
counselor
good
question.
I
just
quickly
jotted
down
a
quick
list
of
some
projects
that
demonstrate
the
wonderful
marriage
of
historic
preservation
and
new
development
and
often
affordable
housing.
I'd
encourage
you
to
look
at
the
preservation
alliance
website
and
many
of
the
projects
we've
awarded
over
the
years,
but
just
to
list
a
few
there's,
the
substation
in
roslindale.
That's
an
affordable
housing
project
right
in
roslindale
square
with
historic
boston
inc,
which
has
done
a
number.
J
The
ditson
mills
and
jim
make
a
plane
mission
hill
right
down
the
street
from
this
one
that
was
done
by
wind
development,
that's
in
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
and
our
national
experts
on
affordable
housing
in
historic
resources
that
are
based
right
here
in
boston.
The
goddard
house
is
housing
in
a
former
historic
building,
a
nursing
home
san
gabriels
and
brighton.
J
There's
a
lot
of
projects
downtown
in
north
station
many
buildings-
you
probably
know
I
won't
list
fort
point-
is
a
local
historic
district.
There's
been
a
lot
of
development
there.
You
know
some
of
those
could
have
done
have
been
done,
affordable
as
well
as
commercial,
the
baker
chocolate
factory,
the
lofts
down.
There
are
the
combination,
affordable
in
market
rate
and
affordable.
J
The
other
thing
to
note
is
these
are
wonderful
opportunities,
because
there
are
historic
tax
credits
both
on
the
state
and
the
federal
level
for
historic
resources
and
affordable
housing,
tax
credits.
So
a
project
like
this
councilor
baker,
if
you're
still
on,
could
get
40
in
affordable
housing
and
another
percent
back
in
in
light
tech,
affordable
housing
in
addition
to
the
stork.
So
that's
just
some
examples.
There
are
many
many
more.
J
These
work
really
well
together
and
I
will
say
the
director
of
madison
park
development
corporation
is
a
member
of
our
board
in
demonstrating
the
fact
that
and
many
people
working
on
modern
projects
are
on
our
board,
so
historic
preservation
is
not
anti-development.
J
As
far
as
cpa,
I
think
that's
a
good.
I
mean
there
are
two
buckets
in
cpa
that
can
work
on
a
lot
of
these
projects
again
affordable
housing
and
historic
preservation,
and
I
think
it
would
be
wonderful
if
the
cpa
committee
could
get
some
signals
that
they
should
be
prioritizing
those
sorts
of
projects.
This
would
be
a
wonderful
cpa
project
that
could
draw
from
two
buckets
and
there's
there's
endless
numbers
of
them
as
far
as
the
community
organizing
piece
you're
right.
J
This
is
a
discussion
we've
been
having
internally
about
trying
to
get
people
in
the
community
to
work
with
us
to
identify
places
that
are
important
to
them.
Those
questions
have
not
been
asked
enough.
We
have
started
a
class
called
the
advocate
certificate
training
program
where
we
try
to
teach
people
in
the
communities
about
the
historic
preservation
regulations,
so
they
can
better
advocate
for
themselves
and
work
more
collaboratively
with
us
and
the
landmarks
commission.
J
We
all
work
better
when
we
hear
from
the
community
what's
of
concern
to
them
and
how
we
can
do
a
better
job,
protecting
that
collaboratively
collectively
that
we're
not
coming
in
from
the
outside
and
telling
them
what's
important,
but
we
worked
together
to
understand.
What's
important
to
them
and
then
it's
a
much
better
process
for
all.
So
hopefully
that
answered
your
questions.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
over
counselor
braden,
as
is
to
ask
any
question.
D
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence
of
my
departure
and
coming
back
in
again
one
question,
and
I
I
I
this
may
have
been
addressed,
and
I
realized
that,
in
terms
of
the
workload
for
our
friends
at
the
landmarks
commission,
that
they
really
could
do
with
some
more
staff-
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
there
is
a
process
of
of
of
putting
that
on
the
agenda
for
our
budget
this
year
and
and
making
sure
that
while
we
might
be,
if
we
pass
this
this
home
rule
petition,
we
may
be
generating
more
cases
for
them
to
review.
D
And
I
think
it
would
be
unfair
to
increase
the
workload
without
increasing
the
staff
to
help
dealing
with
it.
So
I
wonder
if
that
that
may
have
been
discussed
in
my
absence
and
if
it
has,
I
apologize
I'm
very
excited
about
the
idea
of
community
organizing
around
having
our
communities
identify
buildings
and
locations
in
there
in
the
neighborhood
that
have
meaning
and
significance
for
them
from
a
historical
perspective,
whether
it's
from
particular
particular
ethnic
communities
or
or
or
whatever.
D
G
Counselor,
if
I
may
comment
on
that,
just
very
every
very
briefly,
so
in
terms
of
budget
as
as
you
all
know,
this
is
budget
season
and
I
will
be
you
know
we
will
be
discussing
with
our
colleagues
in
the
in
the
budget
department
the
the
needs
for
fy
22
of
the
environment
department,
including
the
landmark
staff.
So
I
will
certainly
take
this
information
back
to
my
conversations
you
know
with
with
the
the
budget
department.
G
G
You
know
the
bulk
of
that
is
around
specific
applications
they
have
to
get
and
that
we
get,
and
you
know
we're
sending
out
a
lot
of
postcards
and
emails
to
you
know
of
others
to
make
sure
the
community
knows
what's
in
place,
we're
also.
G
We
also
are
expanding
our
use
of
of
translation
so
that
you
know
some
hearings
are
starting
to
be
occur
in
multiple
languages
when
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
need
for
that,
obviously
we
can't
translate
every
hearing
into
every
language.
G
You
know
that
you
know
one,
but
when
we
get
the
word
that
it's
important,
we
can
make
that
happen
working
with
our
colleagues
in
the
office
of
language
access,
and
we
do
have
an
excellent,
a
quarterly
newsletter
that
the
environment
staff,
landmark
staff
puts
out
about
the
work
that
they
are
doing,
and
we
are
obviously
there's
more
and
more
to
do
and
we
can't
do
enough
of
it.
But
you
know
to
spread
the
word
that
we
do
have
these
resources
available,
plus
a
lot
of
resources
on
our
website.
G
You
know
if
you
can
help
us
get
out
the
word
about
that.
That
would
be
great.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
bach,
very
briefly,
then
we
have
two
people
on.
We
have
folks
raising
their
hands
for
public
testimony.
B
B
I
live
a
stone's
throw
away
from
several
historic
buildings,
both
schools,
actually
that
were
transformed
into
affordable
housing
and
have
housed
large
communities
of
people
now
on
the
back
side
of
beacon
hill
for
60
years,
and
and
it's
just
it's
a
win-win
for
the
neighborhood,
both
the
ability
to
anchor
those
communities
and
to
have
these
beautiful
old
buildings-
and
I
I
think
that-
and
I
I
know
it
is
it's
really
important
for
cities
to
be
able
to
change
and
grow.
B
But
I
think
it's
also,
I
think,
when
people
talk
about
the
things
they
love
that
are
new
in
a
city,
so
often
they
actually
are
a
case
of
repurposing
right.
It's
that
kind
of
it's
not
just
change
like
we
raise
everything
to
the
ground
and
put
new
things
there.
It's
the
fact
that
we
actually
get
to
kind
of
evolve
the
uses
of
things
and
and
overlap
things
with
each
other
and
have
things
adjacent
to
each
other
like
that
is
part
of
the
wonderful
diversity
of
the
city's
built
environment.
B
And
if
you
thin
out
all
of
the
historical
resources,
then
you
don't
end
up
with
that
kind
of.
You
know
augmented
diversity
over
time,
so
you
really
have
to,
and
the
problem
of
course
is
like
people
are
usually
pretty
good
about
saving
the
building,
that's
300
years
old,
but
they're
bad
about
saving
it
when
it's
100
years
old
right.
B
And
so
you
there's
this
moment
where
we
lose
a
lot
of
things,
and
I
think
that
that
finding
those
ways
to
repurpose
and
to
be
creative
and
to
figure
out
how
to
you
know,
add
add
where
it's
appropriate
height
and
all
that,
like
that's,
that's
a
piece
of
this,
but
but
I
think
that
once
you
knock
something
down,
we
never
get
it
back
and
I,
I
think,
all
the
time
about
the
deeply
beloved
community
that
counselor
edwards
represents
over
in
the
north
end
and
the
backside
of
beacon
hill
and
the
fact
that
between
the
two
of
them,
we've
got
an
area
where
we
just
knocked
everything
down,
and
I
just
think
we
we
really
have
to
be
careful
about
this.
B
But
counselor
edwards
is
giving
me
that
look
because
I've
gone
on
too
long.
But,
just
let
me
say
one
more
thing
which
is,
which
is
that,
yes,
we
will
talk
about
this
in
budget
season.
We
have
to
be
more
proactive,
it
is
also
a
part
of
equity.
It's
the
same
way
that
if
you
only
fix
the
street
lights
in
response
to
311s,
you
serve
the
people
who
are
best
on
the
app.
B
If
you
only
do
landmarking
in
response
to
10
citizen
petitions
that
people
mainly
who
are
speak,
english
and
cetera,
are
like
more
prepared
to
do.
You
won't
landmark
immigrant
history
like
so
you
you
have
to
be
proactive.
We
have
to
be
looking
at
a
city-wide
survey.
We
have
to
be
staffing
our
existing
landmarks
backlog.
All
of
that
people
will
hear
more
from
me
in
the
future.
In
terms
of
this
fix,
this
fix
is
about
giving
the
city
of
boston
the
ability
to
preserve
the
city
of
boston's
history.
B
It's
simple,
it's
literally
a
couple
of
words
and
it's
a
it's
a
power
and
a
standard
that
other
cities
all
over
the
country
have,
as
you
heard,
and
it
would
be
a
tool
in
our
hands
that
we
could
put
to
good
use.
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you
we're
going
to
go
back
to
public
public
testimony
now
I
have
christopher
hart.
N
Hi
chris
harping
very
much
I've
been
on
the
real
nice
commission
for
almost
10
years
now.
The
reality
is
all
of
that.
God
continues
to
grow.
That
says,
we
have
the
same
folks
generally,
because
we're
not
positions.
N
Those
are
folks
who
are
predominantly
well
educated
and
well
connected
what
has
been
missing
for
years,
and
it
was
something
that
was
regressing
to
make
a
horse
and
it
transitioned
whatever
age
it
probably
hands
or
or
it's
going
to
be
pga
or
dnd
review.
Is
it
a
large
billboard,
people
at
that
party.
N
The
second
piece
of
that
is
to
actually
fix
the
internal
process,
so
dnd
isd
and
vra,
don't
start
talking
about
a
particular
project
before
it
comes
to
us
too
often,
we
are
still
lagging
in
the
dark
and
that's
going
to
get
fixed.
This
does
not
fit
that.
That's
in
that
stuff,
all
we're
changing
the
90
days,
the
most
delayed
three
year
or
two
years
because
it
started
actually
invite
to
it.
N
N
N
N
N
Process
to
get
in
this
ship,
but
finally,
I
think
you
know
thinking
about
the
coloring
countries.
Why.
N
N
Families
may
not
have
it
in
new
york
times.
I
attended
a
digest
appeal,
but
I
truly
the
fabric
of
boston
so
I'll.
Leave
that.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
a
good
reference
to
doughboy,
doing
it
and
talking
about
neighborhood
significance.
So
thank
you
for
that.
John
brookston.
M
Thank
you
for
taking
my
comments
and
thank
you
for
setting
up
this
hearing
in
the
first
place.
I
have
three
fairly
quick
comments.
M
Second,
is
that
fenway,
where
I
live?
I
live
on
mass
avenue.
Fenway
is
a
largely
historic
neighborhood
and
I
certainly
would
not
want
to
see
as
sometimes
gets
proposed
on
on
streets
like
burbank,
and
you
know,
there's
a
a
building
with
glass
or
something
else
that
ruins
the
historic
nature
or
is
too
tall
and
so
on.
M
However,
when
they
sold-
or
I
guess
least,
for
a
hundred
years,
the
property
on
dalton
street
to
30
dalton
and
one
dalton-
that
completely
changes
the
perspective
of
what
one
sees
from
fenway
when
one
looks
to
the
east-
and
I
think
both
of
those
were
mistakes,
if
you
will
done
for
monetary
purposes,
for
the
city,
but
not
considering
the
neighborhood
and
there's
no
affordable
housing,
of
course,
in
one
dalton,
they
moved
at
all
into
the
intersection
of
south
end
in
roxbury
and
or
maybe
no
I'm
sorry.
That
was
a
different
one.
M
That
was
the
petersboro
buildings
that
are
going
up,
and
we
have
to
be
very
careful
with
those
at
kilmarnock
and
and
petersburg
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
ruin
that
section
of
the
fenway
but
affordable
housing
and
renovation
of
historic
buildings
would
be
a
terrific
way
to
go.
And,
lastly,
although
I
am
not
an
expert
on
architecture
or
historical
buildings
or
construction
and
costs,
and
so
on,
we
in
district
8
elected
an
unbelievably
wonderful
and
knowledgeable
city
councilor.
Thank
you
very
much
kenzie,
and
I
trust
you
to.
M
A
Thank
you,
so
I'm
gonna
just
again
announce
those
folks
who
are
on
public
testimony
who
who
may
want
to
testify
if
you
want
to
raise
your
hands
right
now.
That
way,
I
know
to
call
on
you
other
than
that.
We're
going
to
conclude
if
I
don't
get
any
hands
raised,
I'm
going
to
conclude
today's.
I
think
very
efficient
and
very
good
hearing
on
this
home
rule
petition,
because
I
want
more
than
anything
to
be
able
to
move
this
along.
I
didn't
hear
too
many
suggestions
for
any
language
changes
as
it's
very
slight.
A
What
we're
doing
more,
like
a
grammatical
change
in
making
sure
the
city
of
boston
has
a
seat
at
the
table,
so
I
don't
know.
Normally
I
do
a
hearing
than
a
working
session
where
we
go
into
the
language
deeper
into
the
language
and
then
go
into
a
into
the
then
we
conclude
or
excuse
me.
Then
we
go
to
a
vote,
but
again
I
guess
this
is
like
a
common
and
kind
of
situation.
It's
it's
really
slight.
A
I
think
in
in
the
change
in
language,
so
I
don't
know
that
we
will
need
a
full-on
working
session
I'll
check
with
the
sponsors,
though,
to
make
sure
of
that
to
the
public.
If
you
have
any
language
suggestions
right
that
that
warrant
us
going
deeper
into
the
conversation,
I'd
really
appreciate
that
you
go
ahead
and
make
those
suggestions
christopher.
I
see
you've
raised
your
hand
again.
I
normally
reserve
this
for
people
who
haven't
spoken
yet
and
so
other
other
than
unless
you
have
a
language
suggestion.