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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on April 22, 2021
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Docket #0397 - Ordinance on surveillance oversight and information sharing
A
A
All
right,
good
morning,
everyone,
I'm
council,
eddie
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations,
this
thursday
april
22nd,
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
working
session
on
docket
0397
ordinance
on
surveillance
oversight
and
information.
Sharing.
This
matter
was
sponsored
by
counselors,
counselor,
arroyo
and
counselor
wu
and
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
march
3rd
2021..
A
The
public
may
watch
this
working
session
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
dash
tv
and
on
xfinity8rcna
2,
verizon
964..
It
will
be
rebroadcasted
at
a
later
date.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
function.gov
and
will
be
made
a
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
Quick
summary.
This
legislation
establishes
standards
for
surveillance,
oversight
and
information.
Sharing.
The
docket
requires
community
involvement
when
surveillance
is
used
and
when
the
city
acquires
surveillance
technology,
the
legislation
limits,
information
sharing
between
boston,
public
schools
and
the
police
department,
boston,
police
department.
A
I
messed
that
up.
Didn't
I
that
that
works.
It's
okay!
Thank
you,
madam
chair
information,
and
do
it
gregory,
mccarthy,
chief
of
information,
also
a
information
security
officer
at
do
it,
christopher
carter,
co-chair
of
the
new
urban
mechanics
christopher
carter.
Excuse
me:
naieli
rodriguez,
technologist
for
the
public
realm,
a
new
urban
mechanics,
samuel,
depina,
director
of
operations
of
bps
and
superintendent,
paul
donovan,
chief
of
of
the
bureau
of
investigative
services
of
bpd
boston
police
department.
A
Also
joining
us
today
are
valeria
dovali
student
from
the
student
immigrant
movement,
kade
crockford
from
a
director
of
the
technology
for
liberty
program,
the
aclu
liz
liz,
mcintyre
attorney
staff
attorney
and
the
director
of
the
school
to
prison
pipeline
and
intervention
project,
the
greater
boston
legal
services,
elizabeth
badger,
a
staff
attorney
at
para
project
and
nora,
paul
schultz
of
unafraid
educators.
I'm
going
to
shortly
turn
it
over
to
the
lead
sponsors,
but
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
who
is
here
today.
A
We
have
counselor
ed
flynn,
counselor
savvy
george
councillor,
michelle
wu
counselor,
of
course,
ricardo
arroyo,
counselor,
mahia
and
councillor
liz,
braden,
counselor
bach
and
myself,
the
chair.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
quickly
turn
it
over
to
the
lead
sponsors
for
some
brief
opening
remarks,
and
then
I
will
call
out
the
rest
of
the
counselors
for
brief
opening
remarks.
B
B
This
ordinance
seeks
to
really
streamline
and
make
sure
that
protections
are
in
place
that
go
a
little
bit
further
than
the
protections
that
we
currently
have
to
ensure
that
those
students
are
both
safe
in
school
and
safe
from
those
who
have
power
to
share
information
and
to
surveil
them
in
ways
that
could
harm
them,
both
in
that
moment
in
the
future,
in
ways
in
which
we,
we
can't
make
right,
for
instance,
a
deportation,
and
so
this
is
something
I
look
forward
to
passing
with
the
rest
of
the
council.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
C
Good
morning,
everyone
happy
school
vacation
week
to
those
who
are
also
juggling
these
days.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
and
echo
the
the
lead
sponsor
here
and
thank
madam
chair
for
continuing
to
move
this
along.
Thank
you
especially
to
this
coalition.
I
know
this
legislation
is
timely
is
urgent
it.
The
news
reminds
us
every
day
why
steps
like
this
are
important,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
how
long
of
a
journey
this
has
been
and
that
this
coalition
has
been
working
on
legislation
and
this
push
for
years.
C
At
this
point,
our
first
council
hearing
many
many
last
term
under
different
leadership,
and
you
know
so.
The
groundwork
has
been
laid
for
a
long
time.
Boston
has
now
fallen
behind
other
cities
across
the
country
and
across
the
state
that
have
taken
these
steps,
and
so
the
language
before
you
today
really
reflects
the
best
practices
from
a
lot
of
research.
C
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
edwards
for
your
leadership.
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues
to
the
community
community
activists
that
are
here
as
well.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
and
say
thank
you
to
superintendent
paul
donovan
from
the
boston
police
as
well
for
his
professionalism
for
for
so
many
years
on
the
boston
police
department.
I
have
no
opening
statement.
Thank
you,
council
edwards.
E
F
Yeah,
thank
you
to
the
chair
and
to
the
sponsors
for
calling
this
working
session.
I
was
in
support
of
this
ordinance
last
year
and
I
look
forward
to
using
this
working
session
to
find
ways
to
make
it
even
stronger.
The
issue
is
personal
and
professional.
For
me,
we
started
our
out
our
team
in
our
office
by
filing
a
hearing
on
sanctuary,
safe
spaces,
and
we
are
currently
working
with
advocates
some
who
are
on
this
panel
today
to
make
improvements
to
the
ways
the
city
protects:
undocumented
immigrants.
I
see
this
as
an.
F
G
G
A
You
very
much
I
at
this
point,
I'm
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
the
administration
and
to
hear
your
thoughts
if
your
thoughts
have
changed
since
the
last
time
we
spoke.
But
if
there
are
any
concerns,
have
you
reviewed
the
language
and
I'll
just
go
in
the
order
of
the
folks
that
I
just
introduced
before
so
we'll
start
with
david
from
do
it.
H
Good
morning,
madam
chair,
and
to
all
my
colleagues
and
the
members
of
the
city
council
joining
us
here
this
morning
as
well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
now,
and
I
will
be
brief,
as
we
have
a
lot
of
ground
to
cover
today.
For
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
dave
eldress,
I'm
mayor,
jamie's,
chief
information
officer.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
a
lot
of
time
this
morning.
H
As
I
said,
we
have
a
lot
of
ground
to
cover,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
before
getting
started
to
do
a
little
table,
setting
giving
kind
of
the
brief
overview
around
do-it
and
its
roles
and
responsibilities
as
it
relates
to
this
proposed
ordinance.
A
quick
overview
of
doit's
current
role.
Managing
surveillance
technology
is
identified
in
the
draft
ordinance.
Although
the
department
of
innovation
technology
do
it
may
provide
the
technology
outlined
in
the
audience.
H
H
So
if
an
ordinance
were
to
pass,
as
is
it'd,
be
very
difficult
to
implement
and
operationalize
city-wide
as
it
would
invoke
working
across
separate
I.t
departments
such
as
bps's
I.t
department,
bpd's
I.t
department,
a
suggestion
for
the
current
iteration
of
this
proposed
ordinance
would
be
considered
would
be
to
consider
boston,
public
schools
and
boston,
police
department
and
city
departments
separately
to
get
to
what
we
believe
is
the
intent
of
the
ordinance.
We
suggest
narrowing
some
of
the
definitions,
around
surveillance,
surveillance
data
and
surveillance
technology
happy
to
dive
into
that.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
chris
is
fine
unless
you're
my
80
year
old
aunt,
who
likes
to
call
me
by
my
full
name,
agreeing
with
chief
eldest
and
and
I
think
what
counselor
bach
was
saying
to
the
sort
of
dual
pieces
in
this
ordinance
and
the
language
I
think,
require
a
little
bit
more
review.
I
think
the
the
sort
of
combination
of
bps
and
bpd,
and
then
the
impact
on
city
departments
and
how
they
use
technologies
and
use
data
should
be
certainly
looked
at,
but
I
think
they
require
maybe
separate
conversations.
I
I
J
I'm
here
I
think
chris
pretty
much
covered
it
I'll,
just
underscore
that
we're
very
interested
in
helping
to
accomplish
the
intent
of
this
ordinance.
But
I
think
intent
and
impact
are
not
necessarily
the
same
thing
when
it
comes
to
the
different
departments
that
are
mentioned
and
considered
together
right
now,
and
we
definitely
can't
legislate
trust
with
in
the
public
and
part
of
that
is
passing
something
that
not
only
protects
privacy
but
also
protects
transparency
and
awareness.
And
so
a
lot
of
our
recommended
edits.
J
Not
only,
I
think,
improve
our
ability
to
preserve
operational
functions
that
might
have
been
unintentionally
impacted
by
including
them,
along
with
bpd
and
bps,
but
also
focus
on
developing
just
awareness,
transparency
and
knowledge
both
in
for
the
city
employees
and
also
for
the
general
public
to
kind
of
foster.
Just
a
bigger
culture
of
awareness
and
engagement
on
a
lot
of
these
public
trust
issues.
K
L
All
right
excuse
me,
good
morning,
counselor
to
everyone
else
on
the
call
this
morning.
Thank
you,
so
the
the
police
department,
you
know
we're
in
agreement
with
you
know
the
the
broad
intent
of
of
the
ordinance.
We
just
think
that
it's
you
know
it's
it's
too
broad.
I
guess
in
its
it's
it's
scope.
It's
not
clearly
defined
how
it's
going
to
you
know
impact
our
our
operations.
You
know
we're
in
support
of
you
know
protecting
the
civil
liberties
of
of
everyone
in
the
city.
L
You
know
especially
students
in
our
school
system,
but
we're
also
concerned
on
how
this
is
going
to
impact
our
ability
to
deploy
our
resources
and
then
to
conduct
follow-up
investigations
of
the
criminal
activity
in
the
city,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
things.
I
think
that
we
can.
You
know
we
can
definitely
agree
to
and
work
with,
but
there's
some
things
I'd
like
to
discuss.
L
A
Thank
you
so
to
the
lead
sponsors,
I'm
I
just
looking
to
you
for
a
little
guidance,
I'm
inclined
to
go
to
the
language
and
get
to
work
and
have
advocates
kind
of
discuss
parts
of
it.
So
we
could
make
as
much
as
we
can
in
this
time
or
if
you
would
like,
if
each
one
of
the
advocates,
if
you
wanted
to
do
some
a
brief
statement,
I
don't
know
for
me.
C
B
C
M
A
Okay,
so
let's
go
to
the
language:
I
we
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
so.
Everyone
does
everyone,
have
a
copy
of
the
the
filed
ordinance
in
front
of
them
all
right?
Let's
do
this
so
we're
going
straight.
First,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
skip
the
purpose
in
terms
of
the
the
back
and
forth
unless
anyone
has
anything
on
that
particular
concern
with
the
goal
and
purpose
of
this,
that's
pretty
flexible.
You.
L
G
L
A
Okay,
at
the
end,
then
so
as
one
of
the
goal
of
this
is
to
do
that,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
it's
just
more
efficient
for
me.
Just
raise
your
hand!
Okay,
if
you
guys
want
to
respond.
Just
raise
your
hand
if
you
want
to
go
to
that,
but
I
I
think
it
because
I
have
to
keep
switching
through
on
this.
This
thing
to
see
all
of
your
faces.
It's
not
going
to
be
efficient,
so
I'm
not
going
to
call
through
for
this
and
to
my
colleagues
and
everybody
I'm
going
through
this.
A
We
have
it's
19
pages
long,
so
we
got
to
go
through
this.
So
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
opposition
concern
to
what
someone
just
suggested
other
than
that
count
to
superintendent
any
anybody
else.
If
you
have
language
specifically,
please
be
sure
to
email
it
to
the
committee
afterwards,
I'm
taking
as
best
as
good
goodness
notes
as
I
can,
but
if
you
really
do
have
some
suggested
language,
please
email
it
to
me:
okay,
section
definitions,
all
right!
A
So
now
we're
on
to
the
definitions-
and
this
is
where
I
know
some
people
wanted
some
narrower
definitions
and
whatnot.
We're
dealing
with
the
annual
first
annual
surveillance
report.
It
means
a
written
report
submitted
by
the
mayor's
office
on
an
annual
basis
concerning
specific
surveillance
technology
used
by
the
city
department
during
the
previous
year
and
containing
the
information
set
forth
in
the
ordinance.
A
J
Oh
sorry
about
that,
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it
and
anyway,
I
think
for
the
citywide
report,
there's
sort
of
an
implicit
need
there
for
a
city-wide
audit
of
existing
technologies
in
order
to
deliver
that
report.
That
is
not
a
small
undertaking.
When
we
talked
to
seattle,
they
estimated
4
400
person
hours
in
order
to
complete
that
initial
audit.
So
I
think,
in
order
to
deliver
that,
we
need
to
make
space
for
resources
both
staff,
time
and
funding
in
order
to
complete
the
audit.
M
That's
a
lot
of
surveillance.
I
I
mean
I
just
want
to
say.
I
totally
understand
that
this
is
a
bureaucratic
burden
for
the
administration,
and
I
think
it's
an
important
one
that
the
city
takes
on.
You
know
if,
if
resources
are
being
allocated
to
acquire
and
deploy
and
maintain
and
oversee
the
use
of
so
many
surveillance
technologies,
that
a
mere
audit
of
all
the
systems
that
are
in
use
across
the
city
would
require
4
000
hours
of
staff
time.
M
I
think
that
actually
is
a
an
indication
of
how
important
the
audit
is,
because
it
suggests
to
me
that
there's
a
lot
of
surveillance-
that's
happening
that
maybe
even
folks
in
city
hall
are
not
aware
of.
So
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
not
only
for
the
public's
edification
and
the
city
council's
edification,
but
also
for
the
administration's
own
edification
of
what
is
happening
within
and
across
city
agencies
that
that
strikes
me
as
a
a
reason
to
do
it
actually.
D
D
Is
it
forwarded
from
the
boston
police
to
the
to
the
mayor's
office?
I
just
wanted
to
be
certain
on
on
who
who
would
be
the
eventually
the
sign
off
person
and
also
if,
if
we
are
having
the
audit,
I
think
it's
it's
important
that
this
is
the
budget
time
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there
are
funds
in
the
budget
going
forward.
A
A
L
Yes,
counselor
so
from
the
police
department's
perspective
perspective,
we're
just
concerned
to
about
you
know
how
much
you
know
the
million
hours
it's
going
to
take
to
to
comply
with
this
and
because
we're
not
sure
exactly
what
is
going
to
qualify.
As
you
know,
surveillance
technology,
surveillance
data
because
of
you
know
how
we
feel
the
the
order
is
written.
It's
it's
it's
very
broad
and
it
could
encompass.
You
know
just
about
everything
everything
we
do.
You
know
our
mark
mach
43
system.
L
If
that's
you
know
everything
that
goes
in
there
is
considered
surveillance
data.
Then
you
know
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
data.
The
number
of
reports
we
take
in
every
day.
You
know
we,
we
utilize
those
reports
in
our
investigation,
every
every
piece
of
information
that
we
take
in
in
the
police
department,
from
our
fio
reports
to
the
mark,
43
our
one-on-one
reports,
our
booking
system,
that
the
arrest
booking
reports,
every
single
piece
of
information
is
is
open
to.
L
You
know
it's
intelligence
for
us,
it's
it's
data
that
can
be
used
to
offer
our
deployment
of
resources
in
our
investigation
of
criminal
activity.
So
we're
looking
at
putting
us,
you
know
creating
a
significant
amount
of
work.
If
that's
the
scope
of
what
this
one
is,
gonna
we're
gonna
be
have
to
comply
with.
L
N
Yeah,
maybe
I
know
what
the
kid
was
going
to
say,
but
I
think
like.
Yes,
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
work
right
and
we
totally
understand
that
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
would
take
place
if
this
were
to
pass.
But
I
think
the
I
think
we're
missing
the
point
here
that
it's
just
we
don't
currently
have
in
our
knowledge.
What
are
the
current
technologies
being
used?
So
we
couldn't
incorporate
that
into
the
ordinance.
N
We
can
incorporate
things
that
we
don't
know
if
they
exist,
and
so
that's
precisely
what
this
ordinance
is
asking
for.
What
does
exist
right
and,
yes,
you
guys
are
going
to
continue
to
be
able
to
use
all
of
those
systems,
we're
just
going
to
need
to
know
that
they
exist
first,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
good.
M
Do
I
just
want
to
stress-
and
you
know
you
probably
heard
this
chris
when
you
talk
to
folks
in
seattle-
that
the
bulk
of
the
work
here
is
really
at
the
outset
to
document
existing
technologies
right
to
perform
that
audit,
so
that
the
public
and
the
council
and,
as
I
said
before,
the
administration
can
understand
the
systems
that
are
currently
being
used.
It's
the
administrative
burden
is
much
reduced
after
that
initial
outlet.
You
know
that
outs
at
the
outset.
M
The
work
at
the
outset
that
has
to
be
done
to
sort
of
ensure
that
you
know
nothing
is
grandfathered
in
without
the
approval
of
the
public
and
the
council,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
that
it's
really
a
one-time
investment
of
significant
staff
time
in
each
department,
and
this
is
not
something
that
other
communities
in
massachusetts
have
required
more
resources
to
accomplish.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
as
well.
M
When
we
worked
on
this
in
cambridge
and
somerville,
neither
one
of
the
police
departments
there
got
another
dollar
to
comply
with
the
ordinance
and
we
would
oppose
the
allocation
of
more
resources
to
the
police
department
for
fulfilling.
You
know
the
mandate
of
the
ordinance
the
police
department's
got
a
four
million
dollar
budget,
so
you
know
my
assumption
is
that
you
can
find
some
of
that
money
to
apply
to
you
know,
staff
who
can
take
on
what
should
not
be.
I
don't
think
an
impossible
task.
M
M
The
ordinance
does
not
require
that
every
single
time,
a
police
officer
enters
data
into
a
database
that
you
know
has
to
be
approved
by
the
city
council.
It's
the
mark,
45
system
itself.
That
has
to
be
you
know,
information
about
which
has
to
be
disclosed
and
approved,
not
each
time.
You
know
the
department
wants
to
use
that
data
system.
A
And
just
to
be
clear
again,
I
wanted
to
just
reiterate
what
valeria
has
said.
None
of
this
also
stops
the
surveillance.
This
is
literally
just
knowing
what
tools
are
being
used.
Correct,
okay,
counselor
flynn
raised
his
hand
and
then
then,
after
this
we're
going
to
move
on
to
accident
circumstances,.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
edwards.
I
I
and
thank
you
again
for
your
leadership.
I
I
I
I'm
still
trying
to
ask
what
what
the
intention
is
of
council
ruling
council
arroyo
on
who
from
the
mayor's
office
would
would
sign
off.
I
don't
mean
to
be
a
stickler
for
about
that,
but
it
is
important
that
someone
you
know
the
buck
stops
with
someone.
Is.
It
officially
goes
out
by
the
the
mayor
with
the
mayor's
signature,
or
is
it
the
legal
department?
D
D
I
think
I
think
it
should.
I
think
it
should
be
directly
under
the
mayors
under
the
mayor's
name,
regardless
of
who
obviously,
who
the
mayor
is,
but
the
buck
the
buck
stops
with
the
mayor.
So
I
I
hope
we
can
all
agree
that
that
makes
sense
and
then
and
then
the
other.
The
other
aspect
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
is
does
do
it?
Have
a
heaven
have
a
recommendation
on?
Are
you
able
to
do
what
what
is
being
asked
for
you
without
an
increase
in
in
funding?
D
This
is
the
time
to
you
know,
get
involved.
You
know
I
would
rather
know
now
if
you're
able
to
do
it
with
the
funding
or
without
the
funding,
and
if
you
can't
do
it
without
the
funding.
Let's
say:
let's
advocate
for
the
funding.
This
is
the
budget
season,
so
I
I
don't
mean
to
be
a
stickler.
But
let's,
if
we're
going
to
be
serious
about
this,
let's
let's
advocate
for
funding
and
let
us
know
if
you
can
do
it
or
you
can't
do
it.
A
I
appreciate
those
those
comments
and
to
do
it
and
to
you
know,
the
resources
are
definitely
necessary.
I
think
we
will
probably
need
a
number
of
what
that
resource
is
literally
a
budgetary
item
of
what
those
resources
and
that
money
will
need
for
for
this
to
actually
happen.
I
I
I
do
appreciate
all
the
conversation,
but
the
reason
why
I'm
going
section
by
section
is
so
we
can
stay
in
those
sections,
so
I
have
counselor.
He
has
raised
her
hand
and
emiliano
falcone.
Morano
has
raised
his
hand.
F
Yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarity
from
counselor
flynn
just
in
terms
of
where
the
buck
stops.
I
I
I
do
think
that
is
it
possible
for
us
to
just
because
there
is
so
much
there's,
always
tension
between
groups
and
the
administration
like
I.
I
just
need
a
little
bit
more
clarity
in
terms
of
the
buck,
stopping
with
the
mayor's
office.
What
could
and
I'm
sorry
I
may
have
missed
where
that
means.
A
Just
to
make
be
very
clear
about
what
that
question
is
the
goal.
As
I
understood
it
is
just
about
the
annual
surveillance
report.
The
other
aspects
of
where
communities
are
absolutely
built
into
this
ordinance
is,
of
course,
when
it's
coming
before
the
city
council,
for
any
approval
of
additional
surveillance.
Of
course,
when
it
comes
to
budgeting,
of
course,
in
defining
the
aspects
of
bps
and
mbpd,
so
community
is
built
into
this
community
also
built
this
ordinance.
F
So
that's
what
that's
where
my
question
is
about.
My
question
specifically
is
about
the
bug
stopping
in
the
mayor's
office
and
I'm
just
curious,
where
the
checks
and
balances
about
that
power
of
you
know
the
the
balance
of
power
in
that
space,
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
a
better
sense
of
is
is
who
who
you
know.
I
I
just
feel
like
one
concentrated
voice
and
one
person
overseeing
all
of
that.
I
just
just
for
me.
A
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
gonna,
sorry,
councillor
flynn,
how
that
the
buck
stopping
at
the
mayor
and
is
vital
because
then
the
way
the
community
can
hold
the
mayor,
accountable
or
hold
the
city
accountable
is
because
they
would
out,
in
the
enforcement
section,
sue
all
the
rights
that
are
outlined
in
that
in
order
to
enforce
this.
And
so
if
they
violate
this
by
not
having
the
annual
report,
then
they're
a
whole
entire
enforcement
section,
and
this
ordinance
that
we'll
also
get
to
allows
for
the
community
to
weigh
in
heavily.
A
A
D
Council
edward,
could
I
just
quickly
respond?
The
the
I
probably
should
not
have
used
the
buckstops
there.
I
meant
the
accountability.
I
should
have
rephrased
that
the
accountability,
in
my
opinion,
stops
at
the
mayor's
office
when
that
report
is
is
sent.
The
annual
report
is
sent.
I
want
to
know.
I
basically
wanted
to
know.
Is
the
report
coming
directly
under
the
signature
of
the
mayor,
or
is
the
report
coming
under
the
legal
council
for
the
city?
That's
what
I
meant
in
terms
of
the
buckstops
of
the
mayor.
D
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Can
I
just
click,
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry
just
to
clarify
just
because
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
specific
language
and
just
to
tie
it
back
to
why.
I
think
we
don't
need
to
change
the
language
that
is
there
in
that
provision
given,
even
though
to
just
address
counselor
flynn's
concerns
that
there
are
multiple
other
ordinances
that
we
have
passed
as
a
council
where
it
assigns
a
report
that
is
needed
to
you
know
be
issued
at
certain
points
of
time.
C
We
don't
specify
the
department
in
any
of
those
reports.
It
usually
comes.
You
know
I'm
pulling
up
the
student
housing
report,
for
example,
it
has
both
the
stamp
of
the
logo
of
neighborhood
development
and
the
mayor's
office
right
on
there,
and
so
I
would
not
have
a
sort
of
pin
it
down
of
which
department,
because
this
is
very
broad,
it
spans
every
single
department.
If
we
had
to
pick
a
place,
probably
it
would
originate
from
do
it
because
they
have
a
purview
over
everything,
but
I
don't.
O
Raised
yes,
thank
you,
chair
hi
all
and
my
name
is
sabrina.
Comrade
I
work
at
the
aclu
of
massachusetts
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
thing
that
I
noted
that,
after
working
in
spring
in
summerville
and
cambridge
with
this
type
of
ordinances,
I
think
it's
helpful
to
see
the
definitions
in
their
context.
For
example,
in
this
case,
we're
all
discussing
something
about
the
annual
surveillance
report
and
the
section
that
deals
with
data,
which
is
section
16,
63.5,
exactly
outlines
how
this
annual
surveillance
report
has
to
be
made.
O
So
it
says
that
each
city
department
has
to
send
this
report
to
the
mayor,
and
then
the
mayor
itself
has
to
send
the
reports
to
the
city
council.
So
so
it's
it's
already
on
the
ordinance.
So
I
would
suggest
chairman
that
when
we
discuss
the
defined
terms,
they
should
like
be
seen
in
context
where
they
are
used
in
the
ordinance,
because
obviously
the
term
itself
will
not
contain
everything
that
pertains
to
the
issue
to
which
that
term
relates.
A
A
Of
course
this
means
the
police
or
as
defined
it
means
the
police,
commissioner,
or
the
police
commissioner's
designees
good
faith,
reasonable
belief
that
an
emergency
involving
danger
or
death
of
death,
physical
injury
or
significant
property
damage
or
loss
similar
to
those
that
would
render
it
impractical
to
obtain
a
warrant
requires
the
use
of
the
surveillance
technology
or
the
surveillance
data.
It
provides.
The
use
of
surveillance
technology
in
exigent
circumstances
shall
not
infringe
upon
an
individual's
right
to
peacefully
protest
or
exercise
other
lawful
and
protected
constitutional
rights.
A
L
L
A
A
I
just
don't.
I
okay.
I
don't
think
that
this
is
I'm
not
approaching
this.
The
best
way
is
that,
okay,
with
the
lead
sponsors,
that
sounds
great-
that's
fine
with
me.
I
think
it's.
It
worked
on
another
ordinance,
it's
not
working
on
this
one.
So,
let's
actually
then
go
to
the
overall
past
definitions:
we're
going
to
go
straight
to
community
control
over
surveillance,
that's
section,
16
dash,
63.3.
A
A
Routine
office
hardware
such
as
television
computer,
printers
that
are
widespread
public
use
and
will
not
be
used
for
any
surveillance
or
surveillance,
related
functions,
parking
ticket
devices,
related
databases,
manually,
operated,
non-wearable
hand,
shield
digital
cameras,
audio
recorders
and
video
recorders
that
are
not
designated
to
be
used.
Supe
super
super
petitiously.
A
If
you
want
to
go
through
this,
let
me
go
through
this
list
of
of
this
and
then
we'll
go
back
for
any
hands
raised
manually,
operated
technology,
technological
devices
that
are
used
primarily
for
internal
city
communications
and
are
not
designed
to
stir
who
who
wanted
that
word
so
much?
Who
wanted
that
word
so
much,
I'm
trying
to
read
it
soon.
A
Cameras
installed
solely
to
protect
the
physical
integrity
of
city,
infrastructure
or
technology
that
monitor
or
technology
that
monitors
only
city,
employees
in
response
to
complaints
of
wrongdoing
or
in
order
to
prevent
waste
fraud
or
abuse
of
city
resources.
So
again,
these
are
stating
that
these,
these
routine
and
operating
ways
are
not
included
and
are
not
part
of
the
surveillance
and
capabilities
or
concerns
of
this
ordinance
and
also
we
we
just
went
through.
A
L
When
it's
used
to
maintain
the
safety
of
city
employees
protect
city,
property,
you
know
visitors,
you
know,
I,
I
think,
that's
all
a
a
useful
means,
so
I'm
just
curious
why
we're
differentiating
that,
between
the
other
cameras
that
we
have
throughout
the
city
that
are
also
used
to
maintain
the
safety
of
the
citizens
who
live
in
those
neighborhoods
and
travel
to
those
neighborhoods
and
visit
our
city?
Those
cameras
are
being
treated
differently
in
this
ordinance
than
the
cameras
that
are
in
city
facilities.
M
I
think
that
the
sensitivity
of
those
types
of
surveillance
tools
is
obviously
of
more
of
a
concern
to
residents
than
a
camera
inside
the
boston
police
department.
That
is,
you,
know,
filming
a
hallway
to
make
sure
that
people
aren't.
You
know
conducting
vandalism
or
something
like
that
or
a
camera.
F
Yes,
hi,
so
I
only
have
a
few
questions
or
some
concerns
regarding
the
exceptions
of
information
sharing
component.
It
says
that
the
data
is
voluntarily
given
to
the
city.
The
does
not
have
to
follow
the
requirements
of
this
ordinance.
So
I'm
just
curious
are,
I
think,
we're
running
into
an
issue
where
people
don't
always
know.
What
is
what
really
means
to
provide
information
to
their
city
government?
Is
there
something
that
can
be
done
to
make
people
more
aware
of
where
their
data
goes
and
when
they
provide
it
quote
unquote
voluntarily.
A
F
And-
and
I
know
this
is
crazy,
but
I
know
that
they
have
like
signs
that
say,
you're
being
recorded
like
I
just
feel
like
I
don't
know,
there's
some
places
that
you
walked
into
that.
You
know
that
you're
being
recorded,
and
I
I
think,
knowing
that
you
are
helps
people
understand
what
is
happening
and
I'm
just
curious.
If
there's
not
to
complicate
situations
further,
but
are
there
ways
like?
I
think
that
we
need
we.
We
should
be
responsible
in
letting
people
know
that
they're
walking
into
a
space.
F
Sometimes
those
signs
are
you
walking
into
this
smile
you're
on
camera,
but
I
don't
think
that
you
see
all
of
those
signs
across
our
neighborhoods.
So
the
fact
that
there
are
cameras
you,
you
might
be
even
being
recorded
and
you
don't
even
know
it.
I
know
that
sometimes
I'm
stuck
out
of
red
light,
I'm
like
oh
dag,
I'm
at
a
red
light
and
there's
a
big
old
camera
there
like
so
I'm
just
curious
about.
I
don't
know
where
this
will
go
in
terms
of
of
this
conversation.
A
So
the
two
questions
you
have
is
what
exactly
maybe
we
should
define
what
it
means
to
be
to
truly
volunteer
and
then
also
how
do
we
really
advertise
when
people
are
being
watched,
especially
in
public
places?
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
making
the
camera
hot
pink
or
if
it
means
whatever
it
means,
but
if
the
goal
is
to
be
clear
that
you're
being
watched
right,
counselor
mejia.
Yes,
thank
you
exactly.
A
I
M
For
chair
edwards,
I
can
address
those
questions
so
first
off
the
intent
here
is
to
say
that
information
that
a
city
of
boston,
resident
or
someone
else
provides
willingly
to
the
city
is
not
subject
to
the
ordinance.
I
think
your
question
is
a
really
important
one.
You
know
if
I
provide
information
to
the
city
willingly,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
city
is
going
to
be
turning
around
and
sharing
that
information
with
cisco
or
you
know,
a
variety
of
private
companies,
third
parties
etc.
Then
I
do
think.
M
M
Right,
yes,
we
absolutely
want
information
about
that
as
well.
I
mean,
as
you're,
probably
aware,
the
state
legislature
is
looking
right
now
to
potentially
mandate
that
companies
like
uber
and
lyft
share
very
sensitive
rider
data
with
transportation
and
planning
organizations
throughout
the
state,
and
while
we
don't
oppose
you
know
the
sharing
of
of
sensitive
data
in
all
circumstances,
we
absolutely
believe
that
it's
necessary
for
the
city
of
boston
to
be
transparent,
with
the
public
with
the
council
and
to
have
you
know,
democratic
buy-in.
M
If
the
city
intends
to
collect
and
manipulate
very
sensitive
information
about,
for
example,
you
know
you
reference
the
scooter
program
where
everybody's
traveling,
all
the
time
I
mean
location
information
is
among
the
most
sensitive
types
of
information
that
governments
and
corporations
are
collecting.
You
know
the
supreme
court
has
recognized
this
in
a
carbon
in
the
carpenter
case
in
in
the
summer
of
2018,
when
it
held
that
the
police
have
to
get
a
warrant
to
access
cell
site
location
information
from
cell
phone
companies
that
you
know,
chief
justice
roberts
in
his
opinion
said
you
know.
M
Basically,
location
information
is
among
the
most
sensitive
types
of
data.
So,
yes,
if
the
city
of
boston
is
going
to
be
collecting
information
from
you
know,
ride
share
companies,
scooter
companies,
the
city
bike
companies
about
where
people
are
in
physical
space,
that
that
is
certainly
among
the
types
of
data
that
we
would
want.
The
ordinance
to
have
control
over.
O
I
think
that
we
could
add
something
to
1a
something
on
the
line
of
provided
that
they
were
giving
notice
that
they
were
consenting
to
provide
this
information
or
some
language
along
the
line
and
as
to
the
second
thing
that
counselor
mejia
mentioned
about
the
notice
in
the
parks.
I
think
that's
a
that's
totally.
O
A
note,
a
section
or
an
approvation
can
be
made
to
say
that
when
these
cameras
are
put
in
public
in
in
in
in
in
in
parks
or
whatever
whatever
public
space,
then
there
should
be
a
notice
that
there
is
a
camera
that
is
filming
people.
So
so
I
think
that
the
policy
for
those
cameras
are
the
perfect
place
to
put
those
kind
of
of
issues
related
to
how
the
surveillance
technology
is
used.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
that
the
point
that
was
just
mentioned
about
the
context
of
usage
is
very
important
to
keep
in
mind
here
and
here
again
I
would
just
underscore
that
one
of
I
think
the
things
that
we
feel
really
strongly
about
is
that
bps
and
bpd's
technology
should
be
severed
and
considered
separately.
Then,
city
departments,
like
utilities,
environment
and
energy,
transportation,
etc.
J
Subsidy
programs,
because
their
energy
use
is
inefficient.
Those
are
all
ways
that
we
use
data
that
would
technically
fall
under
the
surveillance
to
improve
the
lives
of
residents
and
to
deliver
better
services.
I
don't
think
that
those
systems
should
be
exempted
from
any
consideration
or
any
oversight.
That's
certainly
not
the
goal,
but
I
think
that
we
are
sort
of
confusing
context
by
considering
everything
as
the
same
the
intent
and
context
really
matters
when
you're
talking
about
data
collection-
and
I
think
it's
important-
to
keep
those
kind
of
specific
examples
in
mind.
A
This
is
the
point
of
clarification,
and
this
might
be
helpful
while
you
are,
I
completely
agree
context
of
why
people
are
observing
things
completely
change,
depending
on
their
goals.
Does
the
bpd
have
access
to
bad
information
and
can
law
enforcement
get
to
those
things
regardless
of
the
intent?
If,
if
the,
if
the
access
point
is
from
parks,
but
it's
still
used
to
watch
me,
it's
still
government
right,
and
it's
still
it's
still.
Maybe
something
worth
me
knowing
about.
J
I
think
it's
absolutely
something
sorry,
I
went
ahead
and
responded
to
you.
I
think
it's
absolutely
something
worth
knowing
about,
and
that's
exactly
the
type
of
like
deeper
policy
investigation
that
I
think
we
should
really
look
into.
I
think
that
there
should
be
a
process.
That's
very
well
documented
if
bpd
wants
to
get
access
to
something
like
a
traffic
camera,
that's
been
put
up
for
a
very
different
purpose
and
that
should
be
documented
public,
approvable,
etc.
A
A
F
Yeah,
no,
I
I'll
be
quick.
I
just
now
that
we're
talking
about
this,
I'm
just
making
me
think
of
other
places.
I
know
entering
a
school
building.
I'm
just
curious,
I'm
sam!
If
you
might
be
able
to
tell
me
what
disclaimers
or
disclosures,
are
put
on
entry
doorways,
so
that
parents
know
that
their
children
are
being
monitored
as
they
walk
through.
Do
you
have
that
type
of
signage,
and
also
when
you
enroll
your
child
in
bps?
F
Is
there
is
there
a
waiver
or
some
sort
of
I
authorize,
or
I
I'm
entering
into
agreement,
knowing
that
my
child
is
going
to
be
under
surveillance?
Is
there
that
type
of
level
of
information
shared
with
families
when
they're
doing
their
enrollment,
and
maybe
I
don't
want
to
complicate
things
further,
counselor
edwards,
but
I'm
just
curious.
Since
we're
talking
about
information
sharing,
I'm
just
curious,
it
would
be
great
for
people
to
know
as
a
parent.
I
would
like
to
have
that
understanding.
K
Yeah
sure
so
there
is
some
signage
up
in
some
places
and
sometimes
those
signs
get
damaged
and
vandalized.
We
have
to
replace
them,
but
that's
our
intent
is
to
make
sure
we
inform
family
as
much
as
possible
to
their
being
recorded
when
they're
on
on
premises,
but
as
far
as
informing
them
of
that
when
they're
being
enrolled.
I
know
we
don't
have
that
in
place,
but
we
can
we're
happy
to
work
on
that.
F
F
That's
that
they,
or
at
least
it's
it's.
Our
dual
diligence
to
inform
families
that
this
is
they're
going
to
be
walked,
they're
going
to
be
sending
their
children
to
a
building
that
is
going
to
be
surveilled,
and
they
should
have
the
right
to
know
that,
and
they
should
just
part
of
it
should
be
a
standard.
They
should
sign
or
or
something.
A
L
So
paul,
okay,
thank
you.
So
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
privacy
issue
that
was
that
was
raised,
and
you
know
the
department
realizes
that.
That's
a
valid
concern.
You
know
people
are
concerned
about
their
privacy,
but
I
think
we
need
to
balance
that
privacy
issue
with
you
know
the
need
to
protect.
You
know
public
safety,
you
know,
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
do
that?
You
know
there's
different
types
of
cameras
out
there,
there's
there's
the
fixed
cameras,
most
of
the
cameras
out
there.
L
They
they're
fixed
on
a
they're
all
fixed
on
a
on
a
public
location
they're
at
intersections.
You
know
streets,
they
catching
the
sidewalks,
the
street,
the
intersections
they're,
not
you
know
fixed
on
p
person's
backyards
in
windows.
Again,
a
lot
of
them
are
fixed.
Some
of
them
have
pan
to
zoom
capabilities
that
they
can
be.
You
know,
manipulated
into
different
areas.
L
You
know
we
could
certainly
put
things
in
place
to
you
know
for
accountability
on
that
and
then,
as
far
as
the
other
thing
is.
As
far
as
you
know,
I
heard
the
word
watch
mentioned
a
few
times
with
very
few
exceptions.
Are
we
watching
real
time
on
these
cameras?
The
vast
vast
majority
of
of
this
of
our
use
of
them
are
an
incident
happens.
L
M
Thanks
chair,
so
I
have
a
a
bunch
of
stuff.
I
want
to
respond
to
one
just
quickly:
superintendent
donovan.
The
ordinance
does
not
take
a
position
on
the
validity
of
any
government
surveillance
program.
It's
merely
about
transparency
and
democratic
oversight.
So
you
know
the
question
of
what
utility
the
cameras
provide
to
the
city
is
something
that
we,
as
advocates,
that
are
supportive
of
this
ordinance,
are
really
interested
in
learning.
M
You
know
we
hear
from
public
public
safety
people,
police
prosecutors,
that
surveillance
cameras
in
our
neighborhoods
are
important
in
terms
of
stopping
crime
and
solving
crime.
We'd,
like
information
about
that,
so
the
ordinance
is
not
prescriptive,
it
doesn't
say:
surveillance
is
good
or
bad.
It
merely
says:
let's
disclose.
M
What's
going
on
in
the
city,
have
a
conversation
about
it,
make
sure
that
we
all
agree
collectively
democratically,
that
that
the
technologies
that
are
in
use
are
things
that
we
all
support
and
are
important
and
then,
as
you
said,
superintendent
donovan
ensure
that
there
are
the
right
policies
and
procedures
and
accountability
mechanisms
in
place
to
make
sure
those
systems
aren't
abused.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
This
ordinance
does
not
say
you
know
all
the
surveillance
cameras
that
the
bpd
uses
in
the
city
of
boston
are
going
to
be
removed.
M
M
I
also
just
want
to
say
that
that
impact
and
intent-
you
know
somebody
else,
raised
this-
that
really
matters
here
as
well.
I
gave
this
example
in
the
last
working
session,
but
some
years
back,
the
boston
transportation
department
made
a
really
big
mistake
by
allowing
their
license
plate
reader
system
that
they
use
not
for
policing
purposes,
not
for
purposes
that
I
think
most
people
would
identify
as
surveillance
in
the
kind
of
traditional
policing
definition.
M
That
database
was
accidentally
posted
in
its
entirety
online,
exposing
members
of
the
public
boston
residents
to
some
pretty
serious
privacy
invasion.
So
you
know
the
intent
here
is
not
only
to
say
we
want
to
have
democratic
control
over
the
types
of
surveillance
that
the
boston
police,
department
and
bps
are
engaged
in.
It
really
is
about
subjecting
all
of
the
city's
surveillance
programs,
any
program
that
collects
sensitive
information
about
people
to
democratic
control
and
scrutiny,
so
that
not
only
we
are
allowing
aligning
our
public.
M
It's
kind
of
a
means
of
you
know
having
internal
checks
within
the
administration.
You
know,
city,
council
checks
and
then
public
scrutiny
on
those
programs
as
well,
and
then
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
that
you
know,
as
chair
edward
said,
a
program
that
can
be
that
is
developed
for
one
purpose.
You
know.
Data
collection
that
is
that
is
executed
for
one
purpose,
can
often
be
used
for
another.
That's
what
we
call
mission
creep
and
it
happens
a
lot.
M
So
you
know
just
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
what's
covered
by
the
ordinance
and
what's
not,
and
then
you
know
additionally,
that
I
don't
see
necessarily
a
data
collection
program
that
the
btd
is
doing,
as
distinct
from
you
know
the
interests
of
the
boston
police
department
or
even
federal
law
enforcement
agencies,
because
we
know
that
if
a
pool
of
data
exists,
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
want
access
to
it.
Maybe
for
reasons
that
differ
from
why
the
information
was
originally
collected.
I
I
If
we
remove
that
and
only
thinking
about,
we
do
a
fair
amount
of
like
video
production
for
social
media
through
the
digital
team
and
do
it
they
use
gopros
and
other
devices
that
are
essentially
manual
camcorders,
but
are
worn
so
curious
if
it's
able
to
remove
that
in
there
as
well
as
later,
in
section
c,
it
says
manually,
downloading
a
fair
amount
of
those
systems.
Now
even
sort
of
the
handheld
cameras
will
upload
to
a
cloud
service
which
then
you're
pulling
down
in
batch.
I
You
can
remotely
access
those.
They
are
not
collecting
images
or
audio,
but
they
are
still
sort
of
doing
counts
right.
So
that's
possible
that
falls
on
that
surveillance,
ordinance
or
definition,
but
we
kind
of
didn't
go
into
detail
there.
So
I
would
say
section
c
and
section
half
those
two
pieces
would
be
good
to
omit.
M
Yeah
chair,
I
would
just
say
that
the
in
section
c
it
says
that
technologies
that
are
not
designed
to
be
used
surreptitiously,
and
so
I
think
that
accounts
for
the
concern
that
you're
raising
chris.
This
is,
I
mean
it's
also
illegal
frankly
for
government
employees
to
secretly
audio
record
someone.
It
violates
the
wiretap
statute,
so
I
don't
really
see
an
issue
with
that.
E
A
N
So
that
is
definitely
something
we
want
to
get
to
know
according
to
this
ordinance,
which
is
why
we
do
not
just
want
information
on
how
bps
is
operating
or
bpd
is
operating.
We
want
information
on
how
all
city
departments
are
operating.
We
are
not
just
going
after
bps
and
bpd.
That
is
not
the
point
of
this
ordinance
and
also
again,
I
I
really
want
to
there's
like
this
implicit
vibe
right
now.
N
That
community
is
not
on
this
as
a
representative,
sim
and
partnering
with
other
organizations
who
have
worked
for
three
years
more
than
three
years
now
at
this
point
around
this
ordinance
around
this
research
to
create
this
ordinance,
we
have
surveyed
people
and
our
understanding
is
that
either
the
surveillance
is
not
working
and
we
should
look
into
that
and
why
it's
not
working
and
if
there
are
other,
better
ways
of
doing
things
to
help
the
lives
of
people.
As
it's
been
mentioned
here.
N
And
the
whole
point
is
that,
once
we
do
have
a
list
of
what
we
have
at
hand,
the
collaborations
that
are
happening
or
not
happening,
then
a
community
can
have
a
voice
and
give
input
on
the
further
aspects
of
this
later
on.
Right,
but
again,
this
is
not
happening
right
now.
That's
not
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
at
the
moment.
It's
to
get
things
that
we
don't
currently
have
information
on
and
then
move
into
that
place
right.
This
is
not
a
catch-all
ordinance,
although
I
wish
it
would
be.
D
D
D
If
it
is
implemented,
I
think
that's
that's
important
again.
The
district
council
is
know
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
of
city
government,
and
we
spend
a
lot
of
our
time
on
getting
signs
or
getting
crosswalks
fixed
or
working
with
public
works.
I
think
their
opinion
also
would
be
important
in
this
discussion
as
well.
O
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
for
your
comments.
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing
to
what
kate
was
mentioning
to
nail
his
comment,
so
I
think
it's
very
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
definition
of
surveillance,
technologies
and
surveillance
data
are
like
crafty,
were
crafted
together,
so
that
if
the
technology
cannot
possibly
identify
an
individual,
then
that
is
not
a
surveillance
technology,
and
so
the
data
that
that
technology
creates
is
not
surveillance
data.
O
If
the
surrender
technology
can
possibly
identify
an
individual,
then
that
the
the
the
information
created
by
the
technology-
that's
surveillance,
data
in
the
case
of
a
camera,
from
the
parks
and
recreations
to
counting
people.
That
would
not
be
surveillance,
data
to
create
a
heat
map
or
something
would
not
be
surveillance
data.
O
But
if
there
is
a
camera
outside
a
train
station
that
can
that
can
catch
a
face
of
a
person
going
out
of
fatigue
station
that
should
be
considered
supernazera,
because
this
information,
coupled
with
other
technology,
for
example,
the
charlie
car
databases,
can
easily
identify
a
person
as
doing
one
trip
or
whatever
they
were
in
the
city.
So
that's
why
exactly
policies
are
needed
so
that
the
police
department
cannot
access
this
information
that
is
held
by
the
transportation
agency
in
the
city?
Exactly
that's
why
the
policies
should
reflect
this.
A
Thank
you.
I
actually
had
a
question
about
language
and
then
we're
gonna
move
on
to
section
three,
which
is
again
dealing
with
the
exceptions.
So
if
you
still
have
some
thoughts
and
questions,
that's
fine
we're
just
going
to
add
in
section
three
and
four
actually
for
n
being
a
former
city
employee,
now,
city
councillor,
it
says
you
know
an
exception
to
this
law
is
that
technology
that
monitors
city,
employees
in
response
to
complaints
of
wrongdoing
and
or
in
order
to
prevent
waste
fraud
or
abuse
of
city
resources.
A
M
That's
a
good
question
chair.
We
included
that,
in
response
to
some
input
that
we
received
from
other
cities
about,
for
example,
the
use
of
technology
in
internal
investigations,
you
know
if
there
was
suspicion
that
somebody
in
the
boston,
police
department
was
mishandling
evidence
or
allowing
people
into
the
evidence
room
who
shouldn't
have
been
there
or
whatever,
that
you
know
it's
appropriate
for
the
city
to
use
technology
to
monitor
those
types
of
things
without
you
know
providing
notice
to
the
subjects
of
the
investigation.
A
A
That's
my
concern
about
the
kids
one
and
then
two
it.
You
know
they're
city
employees,
but
they're
still.
Obviously
you
know
people
with
rights
and
to
privacy
and
rights
to
you
know
so
I
I
personally
having
you
know,
I
don't
care,
but
if,
if
we're
going
to
be
telling
everybody
you're
being
watched,
I
think
we
should
tell
folks
we're
for
the
city
you're
being
watched.
That's
that's
my
my
my
thoughts
about
that
and
I'd
be
you
know,
I'm
not
gonna
die
in
a
hill
for
it,
but
I
did
want
that
to
be
known.
A
D
L
Yes,
thank
you
just
one
quick
point
on
that,
so
cameras
surveillance,
so
obviously
they
assist
us
in
in
catching.
You
know,
persons
who
commit
whatever
type
of
offense,
but
if
they're,
publicized
and
people
know
about
them,
and
they
know
what
cameras
are
there,
it's
it's
a
prevention
tool.
It
can
prevent
incidents
from
happening.
L
It
can
prevent
someone
from
being
shot,
robbed,
assaulted.
You
know
property
damage,
so
that's
that's
a
benefit
of
having
a
camera,
whether
it's
outside
of
a
city
building
within
a
city
building
on
a
city
street
corner
in
a
city
park.
It's
that
prevention
aspect.
That
is
very
valuable.
You
know
the
department
believes.
So
thank
you.
M
M
The
results
are
very
mixed,
so
that's
one
example
of
you
know
an
issue
that
I
think
is
important
for
the
public
to
understand
and
that's
why
this
ordinance
not
only
requires
approval
of
surveillance,
technologies
and
policies
to
govern
the
data
and
stuff,
but
requires
city
departments
such
as
the
police,
to
report
back
to
the
council
about
how
useful
those
surveillance
technologies
were.
So
you
know
there
are
two
separate
issues
with
cameras.
One
is
deterrence
which
again
you
know.
M
If
that's
the
kind
of
return
on
investment
that
the
city
is
getting
so
those
specific
details
about
how
useful
the
cameras
are
both
in
terms
of
crime
prevention
and
in
terms
of
solving
crimes,
I
think
are,
would
be
better
addressed
by
data.
Instead
of
you
know,
anecdotes
or
opinions
about
how
useful
cameras
are,
and
that's
one
of
the
issues
that
the
ordinance
aims
to
get
at
and
and
to
help
us
elucidate
for
the
public
councilor
edwards.
We
would
be
fine
with
removing
with
removing
section
h.
A
L
Yeah
just
quickly,
so
the
cameras
are
an
essential
tool
for
the
city
of
boston,
the
police
department.
You
know
as
far
as
anecdotal
or
what
happens
in
the
city
of
london.
You
know
I'm
not
sure
what
goes
on
in
the
city
of
london,
but
I
do
know
in
the
city
of
boston
that
cameras
are
absolutely
essential
to
our
criminal
investigations.
L
And
you
know
I'm
I'm
not
concerned.
The
department
isn't
opposed
to
this
ordinance.
We're
fine
with
you
know,
oversight
and
accountability,
but
we
are
concerned
that
this
ordinance
does
give
the
ability
to
the
council.
I
mean
it
stated
later
in
that
you
know
the
city
council
shall
vote
to
approve
or
deny
the
surveillance
use
policy
by
voter,
simple
majority.
L
So,
as
you
know,
as
the
political
winds
change,
so
can
this
part
of
this
policy
how
this
policy
disordence
is
used
can
can
change
over
time.
So
you
know
it
was
stated
earlier,
I'm
not
sure
who,
but
I
wrote
it
down
that
you
know.
I
raised
the
concern
and
someone
said
you
know
the
surveillance
will
not
stop
so.
L
A
A
Councilor
campbell
submitted
a
letter
on
dear
chairwoman,
edwards
and
colleagues
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
I
regrettably
cannot
attend
today's
working
session
on
docket,
0397,
ordinance
on
surveillance
of
oversight
and
information
sharing.
Thank
you
to
the
sponsors
of
this
working
session
for
continuing
this
critical
conversation
about
the
importance
of
focusing
on
privacy,
safety
and
accountability.
A
And
we're
going
to
do
three
and
four,
and
this
is
again
in
the
parts
of
the
exceptions
now
withstanding.
The
provisions
of
this
ordinance,
bpd
may
temporarily
require
or
temporarily
use
surveillance
technology
in
exigent
circumstances
for
a
good
for
a
period
of
not
to
exceed
30
days
without
following
the
provisions
of
this
chapter
before
that
acquisition
or
use.
A
However,
if
bpd
acquires
you
or
uses
surveillance
technology
and
exigent
circumstances
under
this
section,
the
bpd
commissioner
must
report
that
the
acquisition
was
or
used
to
the
city
council
in
writing
within
30
days
of
following
the
end
of
the
of
those
exigent
circumstances,
submit
a
surveillance
technology
impact
report
and,
if
necessary,
a
technology.
Specific
surveillance
use
policy
to
the
city
council
regarding
the
surveillance
technology
within
30
days
following
the
end
of
those
exigent
circumstances,
include
the
surveillance
technology
on
bpd's
next
annual
surveillance
report
to
the
city
council
to
follow
the
end
of
those
exit
circumstances.
A
If
the
commissioner
of
the
police
is
unable
to
meet
the
30-day
timeline
to
submit
a
surveillance
technology
impact
report
and
if
necessary,
a
technology
service,
specific
surveillance
use
policy
to
the
city
council,
the
commissioner
of
police
must
notify
the
city
council
in
writing
requesting
to
extend
this
period.
The
city
council
may
grant
extensions
beyond
the
original
30-day
timeline
to
submit
a
tech
surveillance
technology
impact
report
and,
if
necessary,
a
technology,
specific
surveillance,
use
policy,
any
surveillance,
technology
impact
report
and,
if
necessary,
any
technology.
A
Specific
surveillance
use
policies
submitted
to
the
city
council
under
this
subsection
shall
be
made
publicly
available
on
the
city's
website
upon
submission
to
the
city
council,
any
surveillance
technology
impact
report
and,
if
necessary,
technology,
specific
surveillance
use
policy
submitted
to
the
city
council
under
this
section
may
be
redacted
to
the
extent
required
to
comply
with
any
order
with
an
order.
Excuse
me
by
a
court
of
competent
jurisdiction
or
to
exclude
information
back
in
the
reasonable
discretion
of
the
commissioner
of
police.
A
If
disclosed,
would
materially
materially
jeopardize
an
ongoing
investigation
or
otherwise
represent
a
significant
risk
to
public
safety
and
search
charity.
Provided,
however,
that
any
information
redacted
pursuant
to
this
paragraph
will
be
released
in
the
next
annual
surveillance
report.
Following
the
the
point
at
which
the
reason
for
such
redaction
no
longer
exists,
section
4,
a
city
department
head
may
apply
a
technical
patch
or
upgrade
that
is
necessary
to
mitigate
threats
to
the
city's
environment.
A
The
department
shall
not
use
the
new
surveillance
capabilities
of
the
technology
until
the
requirements
of
this
ordinance
are
met
unless
the
mayor
or
his
or
her
designee
demonstrates
that
the
use
is
unavoidable
and
that,
in
that
case,
the
mayor
shall
request
city
council
approval
as
soon
as
possible.
The
request
shall
include
a
report
to
the
city
council
of
how
the
altered
surveillance
capabilities
were
used
since
the
time
of
the
upgrade.
A
So
three
and
four
we're
dealing
with
the
exigent
circumstances.
Provision
essentially
when
the
police
may
not
be
able
or
need
to
use
surveillance
technology.
They
have
a
window
of
30
days
that
those
30
days
can
be
expanded
and
there
still
needs
to
be
transparency
after
the
exiting
circumstances
have
ended.
A
It's
defined
in
the
definition
section,
x's
and
circumstances
means
the
police,
commissioner,
or
the
police
commissioners
designees
good
faith
and
reasonable
belief
that
an
emergency
involving
danger
of
death,
physical
injury
or
significant
property
damage
or
loss
similar
to
those
that
would
render
it
impractical
to
obtain
a
warrant
requires
the
use
of
the
surveillance
technology
or
the
surveillance
data.
It
provides.
The
use
of
surveillance
technology
and
executing
circumstances
shall
not
infringe
upon
an
individual's
right
to
peacefully
protest
or
exercise
other
lawful
and
protected
constitutional
rights.
L
L
A
L
A
A
L
L
M
M
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
the
intent:
it's
not
to
create
this
massive
carve
out
so
that
you
know
any
time
the
police
are
conducting
surveillance
in
exiting
circumstances
that
is
like
permanently
excluded
from
the
purview
of
the
ordinance.
It's
merely
to
say
we
get
it.
There
are
emergencies.
You
can't
just
run
to
the
council.
Just
like
you
can't
run
to
a
judge
in
many
situations,
because
you
have
to
deal
with
the
threat
at
hand.
We
get
that.
You
know
the
word
similar.
O
Yes,
thanks
kade.
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
think
the
important
thing
is
that
the
situation
has
to
be
a
situation
where
it
will
be
practical
to
obtain
a
warrant,
and
that's
the
impracticability
is
what
the
courts
usually
decide,
whether
in
that
situation,
because
in
practicable
practical
traditional
warrants,
we
just
proposed
these
emergencies
involving
danger
of
death,
physical
injury
or
significant
property
damage,
because
that's
what
usually
case
law
finds
to
be
impractical
to
obtain
a
warrant.
That's
why
the
word
similar
is
there,
but
they
want
to
take
it
out.
O
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we're
gonna
move
on
then
to
I
didn't
hear
any
comments
on
four.
So
we're
going
to
now
discuss
the
surveillance
use
policy.
That's
b
we're
trying
to
get
through
all
points
of
it,
surveillance,
use
policy.
The
mayor
shall
submit
to
the
city
council
for
its
review
and
approval
a
proposed
surveillance
use
policy
applicable
to
each
city
department
that
possesses
or
uses
surveillance
technology
before
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance.
A
The
surveillance
use
policy
submitted
under
this
section
shall
make
publicly
available
upon
shall
be
made.
Excuse
me
publicly
available
upon
submission
to
the
city.
Council
surveillance
use
policy
shall,
at
a
minimum,
specify
the
following
a
purpose.
The
specific
purposes
for
the
surveillance
technology
b
authorized
use
the
uses
that
are
authorized.
A
The
the
rules
and
process
required
before
that
use
and
the
uses
that
are
prohibited,
see
data
collection,
the
surveillance
data
that
can
be
collected
by
the
surveillance
technology,
the
data
access,
the
individuals
who
can
access
or
use
the
collected
surveillance
data
and
the
rules
and
processes
required
before
access
or
use
of
the
information
e
data
protection.
The
safeguards
that
protect
information
from
unauthorized
access,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
encryption,
access,
control
and
access
oversight
mechanisms,
f,
data
retention,
the
time
period
of
na,
for
which
information
collected
by
this
advanced
technology
will
be
routinely
retained.
A
The
reason
that
retention
period
is
appropriate
to
further
the
purposes
the
process
by
which
the
information
is
regularly
deleted.
After
that
period
has
elapsed
and
the
conditions
that
must
be
met
to
retain
information
beyond
that
period,
g
public
access-
if
and
how
collected
surveillance
data
can
be
accessed
by
members
of
the
public,
including
criminal
defendants
h.
A
Okay,
legal
authority
statutes,
regulations
or
legal
precedence
if
any
that
control
the
collection,
capturing
reporting,
retaining
processing
interception,
analysis,
release
or
disclosure
of
surveillance,
data
and
technology,
and
all
child
rights.
Special
considerations,
specific
to
surveillance,
technology
and
surveillance,
data
pertaining
to
minor
children.
G
L
Thank
you.
So,
just
regarding
section
g
public
access,
you
know
the
public.
You
know
I
think
their
their
access
would
be
through
freedom
of
information
requests
or
through
you
know,
anyone
can
request
a
police
report,
but
if
you're
getting
into
you
know
other
areas,
I
think
you
gotta
right
now.
It's
it's
through
a
freedom
of
information
act
and
if
it's
not
accessible
under
that,
I
don't
believe
we
we.
L
We
provide
it
as
far
as
criminal
defendants,
any
surveillance
data
for
a
criminal
defendant,
so
that
would
be
turned
over
through
the
process
of
discovery.
So
in
every
criminal
case,
boston
police
department
provides
all
the
evidence
to
the
district
attorney's
office.
Who
then
decides
what
is
turned
over
to
the
the
defendant?
Not
the
police
department.
The
police
department
does
not
decide
what
is
turned
over
to
the
defendant.
Has
an
attorney.
It's
the
district
attorney's
office.
A
Thank
you,
and
I
think
both
of
those
could
be
the
responses
or
could
be
what
is
put
into
the
policy.
You
know,
if
I
understand
this,
this
is
requiring
that
each
department
come
up
with
their
own
policy
and
that
those
policies
include
the
following
following
at
a
minimum.
So
if
your
policy
is
public
access
is
through
foia,
then
then
I
think
that
could
just
be
put
in
there.
Your
policy
is
that
access
through
for
criminal
defendants
will
be
through
normal
discovery
procedures.
A
I
O
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
as
to
what
the
the
the
detective
I
don't
know,
what
was
mentioning
exactly
if
that,
if
that
is
what
the
police
department
usually
do
with
with
with
the
public
access,
then
that
should
be
laid
out
in
the
policy.
That's
totally
fine!
That's
that's
what
german
said
chairman
and
also
as
to
what
chris
was
mentioning.
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
Actually
I
was
involved
in
doing
this
in
summerville
in
cambridge.
O
So
that's
actually
the
biggest
part
of
the
work
as
kate
was
mentioning
in
the
beginning
of
of
this
working
session,
just
like
drafting
the
policies,
but
also
like
these
policies
should
exist
right
now
I
mean
I
mean,
and
these
technologies
are
used
in
a
way
and
that
should
be
somewhere
or
I
don't
think
that
if
these
technologies
exist
like
any
like
all
the
police
officers
can
do
whatever
they
want.
I
think
they
have
something
some
kind
of
guidance
or
whatever
to
use
these
technologies,
so
this
is
just
making
that
public.
O
So
so
we
think
that
most
of
the
things
of
these
policies
already
exist
because
people
I
mean
poli
and
city
employees
should
know
how
to
use
these
technologies
and
they
should
get
that
knowledge
somewhere
if
they
have
a
doubt
or
they
should
like,
consult
the
guidance
or
something.
So
so
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
M
If
those
policies
don't
already
exist
and
again,
you
know
I'll
cite
the
btd
license
plate
database
fracas
as
an
example
of
why.
I
think
this
is
not
only
good
for
the
public,
but
it's
also
good
for
the
city,
as
a
kind
of
means
of
you
know
ensuring
that
the
existing
policies
and
or
the
existing
surveillance
programs
are
only
functioning
in
a
way
that
advances
you
know
the
city's
needs
while
protecting
the
public
interest.
M
M
There
are
some
circumstances
where
the
city
ought
to
also,
in
addition
to
the
the
general
surveillance
use
policy,
be
promulgating,
specific
use
policies
for
specific
technologies
that,
for
whatever
reason,
whether
it's
that
they
collect
information,
that's
particularly
sensitive
or
the
information,
is
used
in
a
way.
That's
particularly
sensitive
require
their
own
policies,
so
I
just
want
to
say
it
shouldn't
be
that
much
of
a
bureaucratic
burden
to
produce
the
overall
surveillance
use
policy.
M
There's
been
a
lot
of
work
done
in
the
information
science
space
around
fair
information
practices
which
can
be
easily
you
know
adapted
to
a
policy
like
this.
You
know
to
ensure
that
information
collected
for
one
purpose
is
not
used
for
another.
You
know
warrant
requirements,
things
like
that.
So
so
I
don't
think
that
the
surveillance
use
policy
section
actually
should
be
too
much
of
a
bureaucratic
burden.
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
just
really
want
to
be
quick,
quick
and-
and
you
know
what
I
wanted
to
touch
on
both
what
chris
said
and
counselor
flynn
said.
You
know
I've
been
wanting
to
wait
actually,
as
we
get
to
the
end
of
this,
to
really
get
an
understanding
of
the
level
of
effort
and
and
what
is
going
to
be
in
scope,
because
there
is
a
high
probability
that
this
is
going
to
land
within,
do
it.
So
it's.
H
So
you
know
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do.
You
know
it
is
budget
season,
so
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
clearly
understand.
You
know
what
the
level
of
effort
is
and
what
that's
going
to
take
in
terms
of
of
man
hours
and
what's
in
scope
and
what's
not
in
scope,
and
you
know,
as
kate
just
touched
on,
you
know
how
those
policies
would
come
out,
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
centralized
overarching
policy
or
a
decentralized
policy
model
from
department
to
department,
whether
it's
schools
and
police
etc.
A
J
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
also
that,
while
the
upfront
cost
is
probably,
as
kade
mentioned,
the
highest,
there
is
a
continuing
cost
and
resources
needed
to
keep
all
these
systems
up
to
date,
particularly
in
terms
of
record-keeping
compliance
and
ongoing
oversight.
After
the
initial
audit
and
report
has
taken
place,
so
it's
not
just
a
one-time
cost,
it's
a
higher
cost
up
front,
but
there
will
need
to
be
consideration
for
the
resources
that
are
needed
in
both
in
departments
and
in
do
it
to
maintain
compliance
over
time.
A
Billy
noted
so,
even
if
they
got
the
money
now,
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
fully
funded
and
continues
duly
noted,
section
c
surveillance,
technology,
impact
report
and
technology.
Specific
surveillance
use
policy,
one.
The
mayor's
office
must
seek
and
obtain
approval
from
the
city
council,
as
set
forth
in
this
section
prior
to
the
city
acquiring
using
or
entering
into
an
agreement
to
acquire,
share
or
otherwise
use
unapproved
surveillance
technology
or
surveillance
data,
as
defined
in
this
ordinance.
A
A
the
city
must
seek,
but
not
accept.
Funds
for
surveillance
technology
without
approval
from
the
city
may
seek
excuse
me
may
seek,
but
not
accept
funds
for
surveillance
technology
without
approval
from
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
city
shall
notify
the
city
council
the
funding
application
at
the
time
it
is
submitted
and
include
this
notification
in
this
notification.
A
The
context
contents
of
surveillance
technology
impact
report,
a
surveillance
technology
impact
report
submitted,
shall
include
all
of
the
following
information,
including
describing
the
surveillance
technology
and
how
it
works.
Information
on
the
proposed
purposes
of
the
surveillance
technology,
information
describing
the
kind
of
surveillance
the
surveillance
technology
will
conduct
and
what
surveillance
data
will
be
gathered,
including
a
detailed
accounting
of
each
of
which
entities
may
have
access
to
any
surveillance
data
under
which
circumstances,
for
example,
ongoing
automated
access,
subject
to
the
information
information,
informal
request,
subject
to
subpoena
subject
to
warrant
etc,
h3
locations.
A
This
is
the
surveillance
technology
may
be
deployed
and
when
I,
a
description
of
the
privacy
and
anonymity
rights
affected
and
a
mitigation
plan
describing
how
the
department's
use
of
the
equipment
will
be
regulated
to
protect
privacy
and
anonymity
and
to
limit
the
risk
of
abuse.
Jay.
The
potential
impacts
on
privacy
in
the
city,
the
potential
impact
on
civil
rights
and
liberties
of
any
individuals,
communities
or
groups,
including,
but
not
limited
to
communities
of
color
or
other
marginalized
communities
in
the
city
and
a
description
of
a
plan
to
address
the
these
impacts.
A
Okay
and
an
estimate
of
the
fiscal
costs
of
the
surveillance
technology,
including
initial
purchase
personnel
and
other
ongoing
costs,
and
any
current
or
potential
sources
of
funding
and
l.
An
explanation
of
how
the
surveillance
use
technology
excuse
me
use
policy
will
apply
to
this
surveillance
technology
and
if
it
is
not
sufficiently
applicable,
a
technology-specific
surveillance
use
policy.
A
A
technology-specific
surveillance
use
policy
shall
not
conflict
with
any
provision
of
the
city.
Surveillance
use
policy
to
the
extent
of
conflict
arises
between
the
provisions
of
the
city,
surveillance
use
policy
and
a
technology.
Specific
surveillance
use
policy.
The
city
surveillance
use
policy
shall
govern
a
a
technology.
Specific
surveillance
use
policy
shall
include
all
of
the
elements
of
the
surveillance
use
policy,
as
outlined
in
section
16-633-b.
A
What
we
just
discussed
then-
and
I'd
like
the
conversation
to
be,
is
strictly
on
the
surveillance
technology
impact
report
and
when,
as
I
understand
this,
when
that
is
not
allowed
or
that
doesn't
apply,
or
if
there's
some
sort
of
reason
why
they
will
go
specific
and
ask
for
a
specific
technology,
specific
report.
Those
are
the
two
reporting.
The
two
approvals
that
are
necessary
now
under
the
ordinance
are
proposed
under
the
under
excuse
me
under
the
proposed
ordinance.
A
A
We
will
have
to
leave
the
bps
and
bpd's
conversation
and
the
audit
report,
as
well
as
enforcement
for
another
working
session
and
in
between
that
time,
the
language
suggestions
that
we
just
had
I'm
going
to
try
and
mark
it
up,
but
I
would
love
for
the
departments
or
advocates
to
come
through
with
the
markups,
including
deleting
section
n,
including
deleting
similar,
as
per
you
know,
those
kinds
of
things
so
that
we
are
we're
picking
up
and
moving
forward.
So
those
are
my
letting
you
know.
A
I
And
madame's
here,
thank
you
for
reading.
Through
this
ordinance
publicly
it
doesn't
exactly
roll
off
the
tongue,
so
you're
doing
an
amazing
job
there.
I
really
appreciate
that
helpful
to
hear
it
as
well
as
look
at
it
at
the
same
time,
and
I
do
have
to
jump
after
this
for
some
child
care
duties
during
vacation
week.
My
comment
is
on-
I
guess
section.
Two
c,
which
is
city
council,
shall
have
90
days
from
the
date
of
submission
to
approve
or
deny
the
request
by
majority
vote
in
somerville.
I
It's
a
60-day
requirement,
I'm
curious,
if,
if
it
could
be
either
30
or
60
days
here
the
concern
here
again
around
procurement
cycles
and
how
that
might
be
impacted
by
longer
delays
there
and
then
a
question.
I
know
in
some
other
ordinance
that
exists
that
if
there
is
no
vote,
that
it
is
approved
by
default
and
I'm
raising
that
as
a
potential
hero
as
well,
so
if
it
does
not
move
forward
what
what
happens
here
is
a
little
bit
of
a
question
for
me.
A
A
M
So,
chair
edwards,
I
think
those
two
questions
ought
to
be
considered
together,
if
the,
if
the
council,
if
the
chair
is
amenable
to
chris's
suggestion
that
there
be
some
automatic
approval,
if
the
council
does
not
take
a
vote,
one
way
or
the
other,
I
think
a
longer
time
period
is,
is
important
because
the
council
has
a
lot
of
you
know.
Budget
season
is
a
good
example
of
a
time
when
the
council
has
a
lot
of
business
before
it
and
may
not
be
able
to
get
to
something.
M
G
M
I'm
saying
if
it's
a
short
time
period,
there's
a
real
danger
that,
because
the
council
has
a
lot
of
business
before
it,
you
know
you
just
won't
be
able
to
get
to
something
within
30
or
60
days.
So
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
trigger
at
some
point,
you
know
after
90
days
or
something
if
the
council
hasn't
voted
on
it.
It's
automatically
approved.
I
think
that
council's
in
favor
of
a
longer
time
period
during
which
the
council
can
consider
something.
A
L
N
A
L
The
problem
well,
information
describing
the
tech
surveillance
technology
and
how
it
works.
So
if
we
have
a
an
undercover
officer,
we're
inserting
on
cover
officer
into
a
you
know,
a
group
that's
engaged
in
in
in
drug
dealing,
and
we
have
that
under
cover
officer
wearing
a
a
piece
of
surveillance
technology
that
that
records,
audio
and
or
visual.
You
know
it's
a
you
know:
it's
it's
a
pen,
it's
a
button.
It's
a
something
on
his
cap,
whatever
it
is,
so
is
that
does.
L
A
M
Thanks
chair
so
yeah,
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
interpretation
that
the
council,
so
basically
you
know
the
the
city-
will
put
together
its
surveillance
impact
reports
right.
So
let's
just
take
the
example
that
you
provided
superintendent,
donovan
of
a
covert
surveillance
device,
say
you
know
the
bpd
submits
a
surveillance
impact
report
that
says
we
have
covert
surveillance
devices
that
are
capable
of
recording,
audio
and
video,
not
exactly
a
news
flash
to
anybody
who
hasn't
watched
television
in
the
past
20
years.
M
You
know
the
question
of
whether
or
not
the
city
council
is
going
to
require
more
detail
than
that
is
going
to
be
up
to
them.
Right
so
they'll
be
able
to
review
the
surveillance
impact
report
that
the
police
department
has
provided,
and
if
there
are
specific
questions
that
counselors
have
about
the
types
of
covert
you
know
devices
that
the
city
is
using.
M
Those
are
questions
that
can
be
asked,
but
the
the
the
ordinance
is
not,
as
you
can
see,
it
doesn't
get
into
that
level
of
specificity,
precisely
because
we
want
to
provide
city
agencies
with
a
little
bit
of
flexibility.
On
that
point,
I'll
give
you
another
example,
though
I
think
a
covert
surveillance
device
is
a
is
a
is
an
example
that
I
you
know,
I
think,
obviously,
for
the
questions,
for
the
reasons
that
you
raised
may
cause
the
police
department
some
concern.
M
The
reason
why
e
is
important,
though,
is
because
there
are
other
technologies,
for
example,
celebrate
right,
a
technology
that
the
police
department
uses
to
download
information
from
cell
phones
pursuant
to
criminal
investigations.
I
think
it's
important
that
the
public
and
the
council
understand
what
the
capabilities
of
those
technologies
are,
what
types
of
data
they
can
take
from
cell
phones.
You
know
what
types
of
cell
phones
they
can
take,
data
from
that
information
really
ought
not
to
be
kept
secret
from
the
public.
Another
example
would
be
like
cell
phone
sniffing
devices
right
mc
catchers.
M
M
That's
the
type
of
information
that
it
would
be
valuable
for
the
police
department
to
provide
the
city
council,
because
an
mc
catcher
that
merely
tracks
the
location
of
a
cell
phone
by
pinging
it
right
is
a
very
different
surveillance
device
than
one
that
is
actually
capable
of
intercepting
text
messages
or
email,
communications
or
phone
calls,
and
so
I
think
that's,
maybe
a
good
example
of
why
it's
important
that
this
be
included
there.
Another
is
surveillance
cameras
I
mean
you
know
superintendent
donovan.
M
Well,
that's
the
kind
of
information
that
I
think
is
is
important
to
present,
because
those
are
really
different
types
of
cameras
right,
a
camera
that
just
films
in
black
and
white
grainy
images
is
a
really
different
type
of
surveillance
from
one
that
has.
You
know
high
resolution
that
can
zoom
in
so
close
that
you
can
read
what
someone's
writing
on
their
cell
phone.
You
can
see
the
passwords
that
someone
is
entering
on
their
cell
phone
from
you
know
a
mile
away
right.
M
L
N
O
Thank
you,
chair,
just
adding
to
what
kade
was
saying.
I
just
have
three
three
main
observations.
The
first
one
is
that
this
surveillance
technology
impact
report
is
basically
will
be
basically
a
form
that
will
have
like
all
these
categories,
and
it
will
be
like
very
easy
for
the
police
department
or
whatever
city
agency
is
wanting
to
approve
a
technology
to
just
fill
it
up.
That's
what
we
were
saying
again.
O
The
thing
about
the
the
the
bulk
of
the
work
is
in
the
first
part
where,
like
all
these
forms,
have
to
be
created
and
people
have
to
get
used
to
link
these
forms,
which
is
what
we
saw
in
summerville.
The
second
one
is
that
there
is
a
formatting
error.
I
just
noticed
I
am
when
it
is
when
it
talks
about
the
surveillance
technology
back
report,
which
is
e,
f
g
h,
I
j
k,
l,
it
should
be
tabbed,
yeah,
okay,.
O
Great
and
then
the
issue
that
the
detective
was
mentioning
about
like,
for
example,
the
location
of
the
surveillance
technology
where
they
may
be
deployed,
and
when
these
impact
reports
should
not
contain
an
information
related
to
an
active
investigation,
of
course,
and
it
should
not
contain,
like
the
cameras
will
be
located
in
such
and
such
street.
You
just
have
to
say
that
the
cameras
will
be
locating
in
streets
and
the
decision
of
where
to
locate
those
cameras
will
be
made
following
the
following
conditions
or
variables
or
whatever
we
are
not.
O
A
And
so
just
to
make
sure
I'm
clear,
then
this
report
again
is
done
by
the
departments.
It's
a
form
that
we're
creating
and
ultimately
how
specific
they're
going
to
be.
It's
really
kind
of
up
to
the
department
and
then,
if
the
city
council
decides
they
would
like
additional
information.
They
may
push
back
on
that.
So
in
the
case
now,
knowing
I
am
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
a
police
officer,
but
just
bringing
up
the
case
that
you
talked
about
all
of
the
you
know
a
wire.
A
I
guess
you
know
whatever
device
or
whatever
would,
for
example-
and
this
is
the
advocates,
look
you're
using
that
as
an
example.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
boston,
police
department,
I'm
filling
out
this
phone,
this
form
and
they
would
ask
me
all
the
technology-
and
I
come
to
this
section-
use
of
wire
and
and
covert.
You
know
cameras
or
you
know,
undercover
investigations
of
criminal
activity
so
on
and
so
forth
with
that
that
kind
of
that's
describing
that
of
technology,
what
it's
going
to
be
used
for?
A
M
So
one
of
those,
for
example,
was
a
public
publicly
accessible
database
that
many
cities
buy
or
rent
access
to
like
thomson,
reuters
or
a
clear
database.
So
there
was
just
very
vague
description
of
what
type
of
infor
what
types
of
information
can
be
obtained
through
that
system.
We
encourage
the
council
to
ask
for
more
specific
information,
because
it's
our
understanding
from
other
sources
from
publicly
available
sources
that
you
know.
There's
a
lot
of
very
sensitive
information
available
to
the
police
through
a
system
like
that.
M
A
M
Right,
counselor
yeah,
that's
right,
edwards
and
I
would
also
just
say
again
to
sort
of
zoom
out
for
a
minute
and
look
at
the
scope
of
the
ordinance
and
the
intent
that
at
least
the
advocates
have
here
and
in
fact,
the
language
of
the
ordinance.
This
is
not
meant
as
a
measure
that
says
that
the
police
department
has
to
get
the
city
council's
permission
every
time
it
wants
to
use
one
of
the
pub
one
of
the
approved
surveillance
technologies
for
a
criminal
investigation.
M
This
is
general
information
about
the
technologies
that
the
police,
department
and
other
city
agencies
use
in
the
course
of
their
business,
not
any
specific
information
about
any
particular
investigation
or
specific
way
that
the
technology
is
implemented
in
you
know
a
particular
criminal
investigation
or
case,
or
something
like
that.
Just
general
rules,
general
capabilities
thing
things
like
that.
Thank
you.
J
A
Address
some
of
those
concerns
just
wanna
know
the
administration
is
going
to
have
to
leave
and
I
just
got
a
kind
of
a
ten
minute
thing,
so
you
could
address
some
of
those,
but
council
mejia
is
next
after
that
and
then
just
trying
to
acknowledge
the
administration
is
going
to
have
to
leave
so.
Okay.
M
M
What
this
says
is
that
if
the
city
in
the
future
contemplates
using
a
new
type
of
surveillance
technology
that
collects
new
types
of
data
that
are
more
invasive
than
the
types
that
have
been
approved
through
prior
surveillance
impact
reports,
that
is
the
only
time
you
would
have
to
go
back
to
the
council
to
get
approval.
So
this
is
not
meant
to
say
that
every
single
time
you
want
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
a
private
company
to
collect
people
data
from
an
intersection.
You
have
to
go
to
the
council
to
get
approval
for
that.
F
I
think
about
information,
just
as
so
much
broader
than
just
translation
and
interpretation,
but
they
were
also
utilizing
symbols
and
other
ways
to
communicate
with
folks,
because
not
everybody
knows
how
to
read
and
write.
So
I
just
want
to
be
really
mindful
of
just
putting
that
out
there
that,
when
I
think
about
signage-
and
I
think
about
letting
people
know
that
they're
being
surveillance-
that
we
need
to
be
really
intentional
about
doing
it
in
ways
that
everybody
understands
what
is
happening
when
they
enter
a
space.