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From YouTube: Housing & Community Development on February 9, 2023
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Housing Committee Hearing - Docket #0157- Order for a hearing regarding the state of anti-displacement as to Boston's Acquisition Opportunity Program.
A
A
A
If
you'll
need
interpretation
today
for
today's
hearing,
we
have
interpreters
in
Mandarin
and
Cantonese.
Here
in
the
chamber,
we
have
Tina
Wang,
who
is
going
to
be
interpreted
for
Mandarin
and
Tina
is
on
channel
number
one
and
we
have
Terry
Yin,
who
is
going
to
be
interpreting
for
Cantonese
and
we'll
be
on
Channel
2.
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Any
of
your
written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.housing
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
a
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors
public.
Testimony
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
this
hearing
and
if
you
wish
to
sign
up
for
public
testimony
here
in
the
chamber,
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sign
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the
entrance
here
near
the
door,
so
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your
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will
be
added
to
the
list
for
all
testimony.
Please
state
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neighborhood
or
affiliation,
and
try
to
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes
for
all
testimony.
A
B
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning,
everyone
for
being
here.
Thank
you
to
members
of
the
administration,
to
Jessica
and
to
your
co-workers
for
being
here
to
discuss
the
acquisition
opportunity
program.
It
is
one
that
Community
has
been
talking
about
and
has
been
working
on
diligently
since
its
Creation
in
2016
and
whenever
we
run
into
each
other,
we've
been
talking
about
the
benefits
of
aop,
how
we
can
improve
it
and
its
role
in
really
preventing
displacement,
whether
that
be
in
conversation
at
dsni
or
Meredith.
B
Thank
you
for
taking
me
on
a
walk
of
Boston,
Community,
Land
Trust
properties
to
really
seeing
the
effects
in
real
life
and
in
real
time
of
aop
or
at
the
Roslindale
Farmers
Market
running
into
Jessica.
Talking
about
how
we
can
further
strengthen
aop
and
be
creative
about
how
we're
how
we're
using
it-
and
so
we
know
you
know
just
again.
B
My
name
is
ritzy
Lujan
at
large
city,
councilor
and
vice
chair
of
the
committee
for
on
Housing
and
Community
Development,
and
we
know
here
in
Boston
the
second
most
expensive
city
to
rent,
that
renters
families,
seniors
immigrants
and
working
class
residents.
Black
and
brown
folks
and
long-time
bostonians
are
getting
displaced
at
an
at
an
alarming
rate.
The
city
of
Boston's
acquisition
opportunity
program
supports
acquisition
of
existing
rental
housing
in
order
to
prevent
displacement
and
preserve
its
affordability.
B
B
The
aop
program
is
currently
one
of
the
most
promising
tools
in
the
toolbox
intended
to
address
displacement,
housing
and
affordability
and
insecurity.
Eviction
and
displacement
severely
threaten
the
economic,
physical
and
mental
health
of
affected
individuals,
and
so
it's
in
our
interest
to
use
these
tools
for
the
benefit
of
residents
and
I'm
hopeful
that,
with
a
mix
of
these
tools,
including
rent
control,
the
potential
of
the
tenants
opportunity
to
Purchase
Act
toppa
and
more
we're
doing
all
that
we
can
to
protect
and
help.
B
Renters
I
know
that
there
are
also
some
creative
ideas
from
the
practitioners
and
Community
Advocates
about
how
to
further
expand
aop
I'm
I'm
grateful
for
that.
The
city
council
last
year
is
part
of
the
Opera
process
was
able
to
make
a
historic
investment
in
aop
and
I'm
excited
to
hear
about
how
we'll
be
leaning
into
that
and
using
that
and
I
know
that
there
are
residents
here
who
can
speak
to
their
own
experience
of
aop.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
community
members
for
for
coming
out.
B
C
Floor,
thank
you
so
much
Madam
chair
and
thank
you
to
all
of
our
guests,
both
on
the
panel
and
in
the
audience
and
at
home,
and
to
our
translators
as
well.
You
know
councilor
Louis,
Jetta,
I'll
start
where
she
left
off.
I
think
it's
for
me,
as
somebody
who's
been
a
counselor
for
just
a
little
over
three
years
now.
C
The
fact
that
we're
able
to
talk
about
aop
projects
in
practice
and
talk
about
this
as
like
a
really
substantial
amount
of
money.
That,
of
course,
we
still
want
to
continue
to
grow,
is
super
exciting.
To
me.
I
also
think
it's
very
well
named,
although
we're
probably
using
the
acronym
a
little
bit
too
much
so
for
folks
watching
at
home
acquisition
opportunity
program
that
even
that
can
sound
like
a
mouthful,
but
the
thing
that
the
thing
that
I
think
is
very
appropriate
by
the
name.
C
Are
these
moments
of
opportunity
for,
like
the
force
of
capital,
to
grab
our
housing
stock?
The
flip
side,
though,
that
aop
enables
is
opportunity
for
us
to
actually
really
anchor
people
in
place
for
the
long
term
and
I
think
all
the
time
you
know.
Sometimes
people
will
look
at
kind
of
interventions.
We're
trying
to
make
on
the
housing
front
and
say:
is
that
enough?
Could
that,
like
you
know,
okay,
but
aren't
you
gonna
have
the
same
problem
next
year,
whatever
and
I
always
kind
of
want
to
say
actually
like?
C
Here
in
place
in
Boston
and
to
me
that's
the
promise,
the
aop
program,
there
isn't
anything
more
exciting
that
we're
working
on
in
this
city
and
I
think
that,
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
learn
from
the
examples
we're
seeing
that
we
can
strengthen
the
program
that
we
can
put
more
resources
into
the
program
and
and
especially
be
poised.
You
know
there's
lots
of
talk
about
the
economic
future.
Nobody
knows
exactly
what
it
holds
to
me.
It
would
be
a
shame
if
there
were
any
softness.
C
You
know
in
the
market
if
there
were
any
kind
of
recessionary
things
going
on
in
the
in
the
country
if
we
weren't
able
to
use
those
opportunities
to
again
sees
sees
this
these
places
that
we
can
actually
keep
our
community
rooted
in
place.
So
this
is
a
very
timely
hearing.
I
really
want
to
thank
counselor,
Louis,
Chen
and
councilor
finish
Anderson
for
having
me
as
a
co-sponsor
and
thank
councilor
Laura
for
holding
an
expeditious
hearing
and
and
I've
gone
on
a
bit,
but
thank
you
so
much.
Thank.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
stated
already,
the
acquisition
program
opportunity
program
is
to
create
affordable
housing
for
Boston
residents.
However,
I
think
that
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
also
to
look
at
how
we've
done
so
far
in
terms
of
any
type
of
data
figuring
out.
What
types
of
classes
are
we
supporting
in
these
programs?
D
So
I
think
that,
with
that
perspective,
we
move
forward
with
trying
to
be
more
responsibly
more
responsible
in
terms
of
racial
Equity
within
the
same
program
when
we,
whenever
there's
an
issue,
the
communities
of
color
or
the
disenfranchised
communities
are
often
very
easy
to
pull
on
their
heartstrings,
and
so
their
programs,
like
this
I,
think
my
concern
is
sometimes
are
exploit
of
two
black
and
brown
communities.
So
I
look
forward
to
that
conversation
and
looking
through
that
data
and
making
sure
that
we're
being
responsible
while
we're
doing
it.
Thank.
E
Thank
you,
Council
Lara
and
I'll.
Be
brief
in
the
interest
of
time
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
Administration
team
that
is
here
for
the
important
work
you
are
doing
for
the
community
piano.
That
is
here
as
well
for
the
important
work
you
are
doing.
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
some
of
my
constituents
in
the
Chinatown
in
the
South
End
area.
E
F
F
I'm
really
excited
about
the
acquisition
opportunity
program,
we've
lost
so
much
of
our
affordable
housing
through
expiring
use
and
all
of
the
other
pressures
and
the
market
pressures
on
our
housing
stock,
and
this
is
just
one
way
to
claw
back
some
of
that
lost
capacity.
So
I
really
also
feel
it's
really
important
to
empower
community
and
build
capacity
so
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
those
moments
of
opportunity
that
councilor
Bach
was
talking
about.
F
So
we
can
stabilize
our
long-term
affordability
of
our
housing
in
the
city
of
Boston,
constantly
scarring,
the
the
real
estate
landscape
for
opportunities
and
I'm
sure
everyone
else
is
as
well,
and
it's
very
gratifying
to
think
that
we're
using
our
our
arpa
funds
to
to
this
really
really
good
use
and
I
just
hope
that
we
have
plenty
of
opportunities
to
exploit
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
So
thank
you.
F
A
G
Thank
you
to
the
panelists
and
also
the
advocate
to
come
out,
and
this
letter
from
Catherine
Desmond
I
see
here
reminds
me
that
the
threat
to
individuals
is
so
important
and
I
get
calls
into
my
office
and
when
I'm
out
in
the
neighborhoods
I
talk
to
people,
maybe
it's
my
82
year
old
Aunt,
who
still
works
and
trying
to
make
sure
she
can
keep
her
three
family
and
the
house.
Next
door
is
happy
because
it
sold
for
a
lot
of
money.
G
But
now
her
taxes
went
out
up
so
there's
this
struggle,
one-on-one
that
we
talk
to
individual
people,
but
I
also
want
to
thank
the
Chinese
Progressive
Community
who's
here
and
Chinatown
is
one
of
many
neighborhoods
across
the
city
who
are
targeted
also,
so
we
can
look
at
it.
Big
picture
like
there
are
whole
communities
that
feel
like
they
are
being.
You
know,
pushed
out
of
the
city,
and
then
we
do
have
that
individual
conversations
that
are
important
to
have.
G
So
this
is
an
important
hearing
today,
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
that
conversation
and
look
forward
to
find
ways
more
ways
that
we
can
make
sure
that
the
city
stays
affordable
for
those
who
want
to
stay
in
the
city.
I
have
young
adults
I'm
a
renter.
My
rent
goes
up.
My
pay
doesn't
right:
I
have
young
adults
who
are
now
making
choices
of
where
they're
going
to
live.
They
want
to
stay
in
the
city,
my
daughter's
trying
to
find
an
apartment
and
two
thousand
dollars
for
you
know
her.
G
First
year
teaching
salary
is
kind
of
impossible,
so
I
keep
reminding
her
I'm,
not
a
bad
roommate.
She
should
stay
with
me
longer,
but
it's
not
sustainable
you
forever
for
every
family
and
as
and
not
everyone
she's
a
single
person
right,
so
she
could
find
a
studio,
but
we
have
families.
I
know
from
being
a
teacher
that
you
know
we
have
many
students
who
are
homeless.
Our
families
looking
needing
at
least
two
bedrooms
and
the
market
rate
for
an
apartment
is
so
high.
G
So
and
I
also
like
that
this
conversation
is
also
centered
around
businesses.
To
not
just
individuals
like,
is
it
we're
taking
small
businesses
and
they
might
have
the
rent
goes
up
so
high.
My
Uncle
Tom
owned
the
jewelry
store
and
sell
Boston
for
many
years,
and
they
started
to
develop
on
Broadway,
and
now
people
still
try
to
find
his
shop
that's
way
down
on
a
street
where
the
rent
was
cheaper.
But
you
know
we
have
to
just
make
sure
we're
supporting
our
small
businesses
and
our
residents
at
the
same
time.
A
A
So
I'm
really
curious
about
how
we
can
increase
the
funding
for
the
aop
program
and
how
we
can
specifically
Target
aop
funding.
Two
anti-displacement
zones,
which
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
through
in
the
coming
months
as
well.
So
thank
you
all
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
I'm
excited
about
having
this
conversation
today
and
I
am
going
to
be
turning
the
floor
over
to
our
panel,
we're
going
to
start
with
Jessica
Boatwright
with
the
administration
at
first
for
all
of
our
panelists.
You
have
five
minutes
for
your
presentation.
I.
A
H
Thank
you,
councilora.
Thank
you
to
all
the
counselors
and
I
share.
What
it
sounds
like
is
excitement
about
talking
about
this
really
important
program
and
also
I'm
sharing
the
panel
this
morning
with
people
in
the
neighborhoods
who
are
who
are
doing
the
work
and
really
honored
to
be
here
with
with
someone
who
lives
in
one
of
the
properties
that
that
has
been
restricted
and
protected
through
this
program.
H
So
I
thought
this
might
happen.
If
someone
could
just
go
to
the
next
slide.
Okay,
there
we
go
so
as
some
as
some
of
the
counselors
have
talked
about.
The
acquisition
opportunity
program
has
three
basic
goals.
The
first
is
to
increase
the
share
of
Boston's
rental
housing
stock,
that's
protected
for
Market
forces
and
is
Affordable
to
households
that
cannot
afford
market
rate
rents.
H
H
An
owner
will
identify
an
aop
opportunity,
a
pro
a
building
where
there's
a
high
risk
of
displacement,
if
it
if
it
were
to
be
sold
or
it's
on
the
market
right
now,
and
then
the
developers
apply
to
the
city
of
Boston,
where
we
do
an
assessment
of
the
feasibility
of
the
project,
the
condition
of
the
building,
the
capacity
of
the
developers
and
the
commitment
to
maintaining,
tenancies
and
keeping
affordable
rents.
Then
the
property
will
go
through
a
period
of
bidding
and
due
diligence
where
the
the
proposed
owner
will
compete
to
purchase
the
property.
H
This
requires
a
lot
of
flexibility
on
everyone's
part,
which
is
part
of
the
beauty
of
this
program.
Is
that
we
don't
always
get
to
be
flexible,
but
this
program
has
been
designed
really
well
to
help.
City-Backed
buyers
compete
with
private
buyers,
we
close
as
quickly
as
we
can.
We
address
critical
building
needs
and
then,
in
the
end,
displacement
has
prevented
the
most
important
part
of
the
program.
H
I
I
put
in
a
slide.
It's
not
huge,
but
just
with
some
photos
of
some
of
the
very
different
projects
that
have
been
a
part
of
the
program.
It's
hard
to
say
what
a
typical
aop
is,
because
there
have
been
so
many
different
buildings,
but
it
it
is
ideally
or
usually
an
occupied
rental
property.
That's
the
target
property
for
this
program,
it's
in
safe
and
habitable
condition,
and
so
it
can
continue
operating,
as
is
with
minor
repairs.
H
It
is
naturally
affordable,
which
means
that
the
rents
are
below
market
value.
There's
evidence
that
the
tenants
most
likely
are
are
below
the
area
median
income
and
need
to
and
need
rental
protection,
but
one
size
definitely
does
not
fit
all
a
couple
of
things
that
we
look
at
when
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
if
something
is
a
viable
aop
project.
The
first
is
that
is
that
the
owners
or
buyers
committed
to
not
just
place
any
tenants
in
good
standing
at
the
time
of
acquisition.
H
We've
designed
the
program
to
allow
some
flexibility
to
ensure
that
people
can
stay
in
place.
The
property
will
take
on
an
affordability
restriction
in
perpetuity
after
they
receive
aop
funds.
At
least
50
percent
of
the
units
are
affordable
to
people
at
or
below,
60
percent
of
area
median
income,
and
we
we
really
work
with
developers
to
push
to
make
sure
we
can
get
as
many
units
as
possible
even
lower
than
that.
H
So
I'll
give
you
a
couple
of
details
about
sort
of
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
numbers
and
then
I
I
assume
that
we'll
get
into
a
little
bit
further
detail.
But
the
program
started
in
2016..
We
have
advanced
the
city's
efforts
to
expand
income,
restricted
housing
portfolio
and
preserve
Tendencies
by
acquiring
properties
in
eight
neighborhoods.
H
Since
2016.
65.4
million
are
committed,
which
means
they're.
The
dollars
are
either
they've,
the
transaction
has
happened
or
the
transaction
is
underway.
We
currently
have
25.3
million
uncommitted,
but
I
do
want
to
note
that
we
have
12
million
dollars
in
requests
from
Seven
active
applications
in
six
different
neighborhoods.
So
so
we
anticipate
that
we
will
continue
a
steady
flow
of
work
and,
with
that
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
or
hand
it
over
to
the
other
panelists.
Thank
you
so.
A
Much
director
vote
right,
I
think
that
we're
going
to
do
go
through
the
panelists
and
then
have
folks
ask
questions
just
in
the
wanted
to
time
and
make
sure
that
we
have
time
for
public
testimony
so
to
the
community
panelists.
Do
you
already
have
an
order
in
mind,
or
would
you
like
us
to
just
move
across.
A
I
Preservation
of
these
units
is
not
about
the
units
alone
is
about
the
people
who
live
in
them
and
what
preservation
makes
possible
for
these
families.
Aop
is
a
special
program
because
it's
one
of
few
certainly
locally
and
across
the
state
that
invests
in
preservation
of
housing
for
poor
working
and
middle
income.
People,
and
without
it
many
CLT
Acquisitions,
simply
could
not
be
made,
and
our
member
clts
have
worked
very
closely
with
the
city
to
make
aop
supported
Acquisitions,
and
we
want
to
thank
Chief
Dylan.
I
We
want
to
thank
Jessica
Boatwright
and
all
the
staff
at
moh
for
their
ongoing
support
and
certainly
to
the
council
for
your
recent
major
investments
in
aop
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
and
we've
heard
back
from
the
city
that
you
know
there's.
There
is
only
so
much
money
and
we
do
need
more
funding
for
acquisition
and
preservation
and,
of
course,
we
agree
in
response.
I
We
have
continued
to
advocate
for
increased
increasing
aop
over
the
years
we
have
designed
and
are
soon
to
implement
a
Community
Land,
Trust
governed,
Loan
Fund
and
in
the
fall
of
2022.
We
we
just
now
a
couple
months
ago.
The
state
legislature
passed
the
small
properties
acquisition
funding
pilot
that
we
at
the
Greater
Boston
CLT
Network,
designed
lobbied
for
and
won
alongside
partners
and
that
program,
very
notably
we
modeled
after
aop
when
we
thought
about
its
design
and
push
forward
at
the
state.
I
So,
like
you,
we
are
really
talking
about
expansion
and
deepened
investment
in
acquisition
and
long-term
preservation.
So,
of
course
we
ask
you
to
you
know,
keep
please
keep
robustly
funding
this
program.
We
know
that
you
were
able
to
make
big
arpa
Investments
and
we
want
to
see
that
continue.
Even
while
there
might
be
less
of
a
major
flow
of
federal
funding
coming
down,
and
we
ask
you
to
support
increasing
the
per
unit
funding
cap
to
meet
Market
needs
and
make
the
program
accessible
to
you
know
cdcs
more
clts.
I
In
addition,
I
did
want
to
mention.
We
would
ask
the
council
to
provide
annually
a
separate
allocation
to
Community
Land
Trust,
as
you
did
in
2021,
with
a
two
million
dollar
line
item
in
the
city
budget.
That
was
a
beautiful
thing.
That
allocation
was
an
indication
of
the
council's
belief
in
the
transformative
power
of
clts
in
this
permanent
preservation.
I
Just
close
by
saying,
we
yes,
of
course,
ask
for
your
continued
investment
in
aop
and
thank
you
for
your
support
and
also
ask
for
to
you
to
consider
replenishable
CLT
line
item
in
the
city
budget
and
just
emphasize
that
aop
remains
a
critical
source
of
financing
for
us.
While
we
are
still
you
know,
even
though
we're
excited
about
and
want
to
continue
to
grow
this
separate
CLT,
Loan
Fund.
We
see
that
as
additive
and
another
important
tool
in
the
tool
toolbox
and
then
lastly,
we're
excited.
I
I
It's
a
you
know
it's
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
but
it
was
a
big
win
for
us,
so
we
now
need
to
finish
the
program
design
we
need
to
implement
it,
prove
the
concept
and
and
then
hopefully
expand
it,
and
that
is
based
off
of
the
wisdom
of
Boston's
aop.
So
we
hope
for
your
support
in
that
too.
Thank
you.
So
much
thank.
I
A
J
Hello,
my
name
is
Lydia
Lowe
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
the
Chinatown
Community
Land
Trust,
we're
like
many
of
our
community
land
trusts
and
the
network.
We
are
a
resident-led
organization,
primarily
made
up
of
and
led
by
people
of
color
when
people
think
of
Chinatown.
They
usually
think
of
all
the
restaurants
along
Beach
Street,
but
scattered
throughout
Chinatown,
along
hidden
streets
and
south
of
Kneeland
are
the
19th
century,
tenement
style,
brick
row,
houses
that
characterize
Chinatown
and
the
South
Cove
neighborhood.
Since
the
mid-1800s.
J
These
small
properties,
probably
about
400
units
of
housing,
have
historically
been
home
to
some
of
chinatown's,
most
vulnerable
residents.
First,
the
Irish
immigrants,
then
the
Eastern
Europeans,
then
the
Lebanese
and
syrians
and
finally,
the
Chinese
for
decades
well
into
the
1990s
Chinatown
was
the
city's
lowest
income
neighborhood,
but
it
was
also
a
stable
anchor
for
immigrant
working
class
families
around
2015,
which
is
when
the
Chinatown
CLT
began.
The
community
started
to
experience
a
wave
of
evictions
as
rents
and
property
values
skyrocketed
following
15
years
of
luxury
development.
J
Since
then,
Chinatown
CLT
has
been
working
to
reclaim
chinatown's
row
houses
and
turn
them
into
affordable
housing
once
again,
this
time
permanently
through
99-year
ground
leases,
we've
begun
to
make
Headway,
and
this
work
is
only
possible
because
of
the
city's
acquisition
opportunity
program
and
we're
not
the
only
ones
working
to
preserve
properties
in
Chinatown.
The
Asian
CDC
also
recently
preserved
a
15-unit
building
on
Beach
Street,
with
the
support
of
aop.
J
Our
housing
preservation
has
served
households
with
circumstances
that
range
from
30
percent
of
area,
median
income
to
80
percent.
All
of
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
people
of
color
threatened
with
displacement.
There
is
no
source
of
State
funding
focused
on
acquisition
today
until
today,
other
sources
of
affordable,
Housing
Finance
are
not
designed
for
this
kind
of
quick
turnaround.
J
This
is
very
convenient
and
we
feel
a
sense
of
security
in
our
heart.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
trouble
of
renting
a
house,
the
threat
of
rising
rent
costs
in
the
future.
We
can
keep
a
positive
attitude
work
actively,
try
to
give
our
two
children
a
good
educational
path
and
live
a
happy
family
life.
J
Another
a
another
buyer
David
Gonzalez
as
a
first-time
homebuyer
that
now
lives
in
a
Chinatown,
CLT
property.
I
know
how
important
this
is.
Chinatown
CLT
worked
tirelessly
to
create
this
affordable
home
ownership,
keeping
in
mind
the
importance
of
maintaining
neighborhood
community
in
the
face
of
increasing
gentrification.
As
a
result,
I
was
able
to
buy
an
apartment
as
a
longtime
member
of
Boston's
middle
class.
He
was
from
JP
in
an
era
where
such
goals
are
increasingly
elusive
because
of
Chinatown
clt's
Deep
Roots
within
the
neighborhood
I'm.
J
Over
the
past
several
years,
we've
made
unsuccessful
offers
for
more
than
10
small
properties
representing
more
than
50
possible
housing
units
when
we're
lucky
enough
through
a
combination
of
timing,
organizing
strategy
or
moral
appeal
to
have
an
offer
accepted,
it's
always
been
at
market
price,
so
we
do
need
subsidies
levels
beyond
the
125
000
per
unit.
That's
the
typical
aop
ceiling,
but
why
is
this
worth
it?
Because
these
units
will
be
affordable
to
the
community
and
the
city
forever?
J
We've
sometimes
been
told
that
our
work
doesn't
really
fit
into
the
aop
program,
either
because
of
the
high
level
of
subsidy
require
or
because
we're
creating
home
ownership
units
rather
than
rentals.
But
our
newest
project
that
we're
working
on
is
preserving
a
fully
occupied
row
house
where
our
plan
is
to
keep
tenants
in
place
and
work
with
them
to
create
a
rent
to
own
model.
J
J
At
the
same
time,
we
do
recognize
that
the
work,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
the
Community
Land
trusts
do
is
a
little
outside
the
box,
and
we
want
to
really
thank
Chief,
Sheila,
Dillon,
Jessica,
Boatright,
Chris,
O'keefe
and
others
who
have
really
worked
with
us
to
make
these
things
possible.
We
have
a
several
asks
today.
In
the
last
two
years,
the
city
allocated
unprecedented
levels
of
funding
to
aop
at
28
million
dollars.
J
We
no
longer
have
that
big
pot
of
arpa
money,
but
the
displacement
crisis
has
not
subsided
and
we
need
this
continued
investment
to
preserve
the
housing
that
we
have.
Second,
because
of
the
important
work
that
clts
are
doing,
often
pioneering
new
models
like
rent
to
own
ground,
lease
condos
resident,
controlled
housing.
The
city
should
establish
a
CLT
fund
as
an
ongoing
piece
of
the
housing
budget
and
third,
as
the
as
Chief
Sheila
Dillon,
always
reminds
us.
J
The
city
cannot
do
this
alone,
so
this
past
year,
Greater
Boston
CLT
Network
and
our
allies
made
Headway
in
Breaking
open
a
path
for
this
state
small
properties
acquisition
fund
with
a
tiny
earmark
of
one
million
dollars.
So
we
really
need
the
support
of
our
Boston
elected
officials
to
allocate
real
funding
from
the
state
for
acquisition
and
preservation.
Thank
you.
K
My
name
is
Meredith
Levy
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
Boston
Neighborhood
Community,
Land
Trust.
We
are
we
work
in
Mattapan,
Dorchester
and
Roxbury
and
we
are
a
community
controlled
organization.
Our
mission
is
simple:
we
want
to
help
people
stay
in
their
homes
and
we
want
to
take
properties
out
of
the
speculative
Market
to
be
permanently
affordable,
so
that
people
can
be
part
of
the
CLT
community
in
their
own
neighborhoods,
without
ever
having
to
worry
about
getting
priced
out.
K
Whether
you
look
at
the
Foreclosure
data
from
10
years
ago,
the
displacement
data
or
the
eviction
data
during
covid.
This
housing
crisis
is
an
excoriating
example
of
racial
disparity
and
we
have
to
do
something
about
it.
63
percent
of
the
households
in
the
areas
where
bnclt
works
are
considered
house
burdens
and
that's
compared
to
46
percent
city-wide,
which
also
is
a
high
number.
K
So
there
are
no
numerous
ways
to
address
the
housing
crisis.
It
is
a
large
ecosystem
and
each
different
approach
is
needed,
but
I'm
here
to
talk
about
preservation
of
housing
to
be
permanently
affordable
as
an
essential
piece
of
the
housing
strategy
and
why
aop
plays
an
essential
role,
enter
our
superhero
aop
the
acquisition
opportunity
program.
K
The
purpose
of
aop
is
very
aligned
with
the
purpose
of
our
own
organization
to
help
keep
people
from
getting
displaced
by
taking
properties
out
of
the
market
to
be
affordable
for
low
and
moderate
income
families
in
Boston.
In
the
last
two
years,
bnclt
has
purchased
15
units
of
housing
across
four
buildings.
We
simply
could
not
have
done
this
without
aop.
Our
organization
is
dedicated
to
reaching
into
the
nooks
and
crannies
of
the
neighborhoods.
We
serve
to
help
people
stay
in
their
neighborhoods
and
homes,
where
many
housing
organizations
may
not
look.
K
K
If
we
don't
have
a
strategy
to
protect
these
buildings,
we
aren't
serving
our
community
because
the
housing
market
is
so
strong.
If
that
we
need
to
have
a
strategy
to
be
able
to
acquire
these
buildings,
organizations
like
ours
can't
compete
in
the
Boston
Market.
Today
we
Face
capped
loans.
The
loan
sizes
are
small
because
we're
committed
to
keeping
the
rents
low.
We
can't
provide
an
upside
to
the
lenders
so
because
of
that
we
need
aop
and
other
sources
to
be
able
to
actually
buy
the
properties.
K
K
So
we
have
to
fund
that
we
have
to
finance
that
what
do
we
do?
We
look
for
a
loan.
The
loan
size
is
capped,
387
7.95,
it's
capped
at
that
size
because
we
can't
bring
in
more
rent
and
we
don't
want
to
bring
in
higher
rent.
So
then
you
have
aop
so
they
come
in
and
in
this
example,
they
came
in
at
four
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars.
K
We
still
have
a
gap
of
a
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
dollars
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
purchase
this
property,
so
we
go
out
and
we
we
get
loans,
I
mean
I'm.
Sorry,
we
get
philanthropy
and
sub
loans
sub
that
like
promissory
loans
and
that's,
how
we're
able
to
put
the
project
together.
Usually
we
have
to
raise
about
fifty
thousand
dollars.
In
addition,
so
the
aop
line
there
is
essential
both
because
that's
what
banks
are
looking
for.
They,
if
they're,
going
to
give
us
a
loan.
K
They
want
to
know
that
if
aop
is
in
there
they're
much
more
likely
to
give
us
the
loan.
It's
also
very
helpful.
If
we
go
to
fill
that
150
000
Gap
that
we
can
say
we
are
almost
there.
We've
got
everything,
but
this
amount.
We
just
need
your
help
to
fill
in.
We
really
couldn't
do
it
with
aop
without
aop.
So
a
few
things
to
point
out
a
it's
really
expensive
to
buy
properties.
K
I
already
pointed
out,
the
loan
cap
aop
plays
a
really
important
as
the
anchor
of
the
transaction
transaction
between
aop
and
alone.
We
have
to
fill
that
Gap
and
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
if
we're
trying
to
scale
up
our
model,
because
aop
provides
this
amazing
tool
to
get
into
the
nooks
and
the
crannies
of
our
neighborhoods.
This
is
what
we
can
do
where
residents
are
at
Great
risk
of
displacement.
There
aren't
many
programs
that
can
match
this
approach.
K
The
aop
program
is
flexible
by
Design
and
the
team
that
runs.
It
is
amazing.
They
work
really
hard
once
we're
in
once
you
get
into
the
system.
Each
following
transaction
goes
much.
It's
a
smooth
transaction
because
we're
part
of
a
long-term
program
and
a
long-term
commitment
in
partnership
with
the
city
I
really
applaud
the
city's
team
for
this,
and
it's
set
up
to
keep
the
transaction
simple.
K
K
So
this
is
all
important.
I
want
to
just
point
out
a
few
changes
or
suggestions
for
the
program.
One
I
think
it's
really
important
to
increase
the
per
unit
allocation
to
keep
up
with
today's
market,
because
it's
expensive
and,
as
I
pointed
out
rehab,
sometimes
the
rehab
needs
are,
are
it's
impossible
to
avoid?
So
if
the
aop
could
include
some
an
additional
amount
for
rehab,
that
would
help
recognize
the
need
to
move
for
more
rehab.
K
Another
thing
is
to
consider
a
way
to
give
the
aop
regulations
priority
over
some
of
the
other
programs
that
interface.
So,
for
example,
we
to
keep
the
rents
very
low
in
our
in
our
30
unit
portfolio
76
of
our
renters
are
below
50
percent
of
the
Ami
and
we
were
really
fortunate
to
be
able
to
get
the
city.
K
K
K
A
L
Okay,
thank
you
to
to
everybody
for
for
having
me
here.
My
name
is
Tanya
hannel
I'm
with
the
the
director
of
real
estate
at
the
East
Boston
CDC.
It's
humbling
to
be
with
other
colleagues
who
are
working
on
the
aop
program
and
utilizing
These
funds.
I
can
say
that
much
like
the
CLT
Community
East
Boston,
we've
partnered,
with
with
the
other
CDC
Noah
and
East
Boston
back
in
20
15..
L
We
were
sitting
in
rooms
talking
about
displacement
because
it
was
happening
in
our
community
at
a
rate
faster
than
almost
anywhere
else
in
the
city,
and
the
amazing
thing
about
those
conversations
is
that
we
really
feel
like
we
were
heard
by
the
city,
because
this
program,
the
aop
program,
then
came
along.
We
were
talking
to
the
state.
We
were
talking
about
federal
funds.
We
were
scratching
our
heads
looking
for
where
do
we
turn
to
fight
displacement
in
East
Boston
and
the
only
people
who
answered
the
call
was
the
city.
So
thank
you
to
the
city.
L
Thank
you
to
the
council
for
funding
this
program
at
unprecedented
levels
through
arpa
I.
Don't
want
to
I!
Think
Echo.
All
of
the
good
good
comments
that
have
been
said
here
so
I
will
try
to
keep
my
comments
brief
and
and
talk
about.
Why
is
this
program
working
to
fight
displacement
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
most
important
thing
is
the
flexibility
of
the
program.
L
The
flexibility
comes
in
more
than
one
sense,
so
the
first
most
important
thing
for
us
has
been
either
securing
has
been
the
application
process
at
the
city,
so
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
runs
a
very
tight
ship.
They
have
a
lot
of
funds
to
get
out
the
door
and
most
of
them
are
tied
up
in
funding
rounds.
This
particular
program.
We
were
able
to
get
either
a
set
aside,
which
I
think
those
have
sort
of
come
out
of
Vogue,
but
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
plug
for
how
effective
they
are.
L
If
you're
looking
to
run
a
program
city-wide
and
make
sure
that
you
know
the
money
is
going
to
different
neighborhoods,
then
you
know
set
asides
and
allocations
to
specific
Land,
Trust
organizations
who
then
know
okay
I.
Have
this
million
dollars
I'm
going
to
go
out
I'm
going
to
make
these
offers
I'm
going
to
be
competitive,
I'm
going
to
prioritize
properties
that
I
know
I
can
make
the
numbers
work
and
I
know
I
have
this
money
behind
me?
That
is
really
helpful.
L
So
the
the
East
Boston
CDC
started
out
with
about
a
three
million
dollar
set
aside.
We
were
able
to
acquire
our
first
40
units
with
that
set
aside,
and
these
were
all
all
in
two
and
three
Family
Properties,
so
a
totally
different
type
of
typography
than
what
we
use
state
and
federal
funds
to
acquire.
L
And
honestly,
when
we
talk
to
our
neighbors,
when
we
talk
to
our
community,
those
were
the
Acquisitions
that
people
really
were
impacted
by.
You
know
we're
we're
not
going
to
produce
our
way
out
of
displacement
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
get
all
of
the
other
funders
to
understand
that.
But
you
guys
do
that.
L
It's
it's
got
to
be
an
acquisition
and
a
production
strategy,
so
the
application
process,
whether
it's
through
set-asides
or
whether
it's
just
the
fact
that
it's
a
rolling
basis
if
we're
going
to
be
competitive
on
the
open
market
with
private
developers
who
are
coming
up
with
cash
offers
right.
We
all
know
that
in
our
neighborhoods
we
need
to
be
able
to
be
flexible
and
Nimble,
and,
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
keep
the
application
process
simple,
streamlined
and
on
a
rolling
basis,
and
that
is
very
different
than
other
programs.
L
I
guess.
The
other
thing
I
would
say,
is
the
flexibility
and
the
creativity
of
this
particular
program
to
partner
with
other
City
programs.
So
one
of
my
colleagues
already
mentioned
BHA
vouchers
we,
similarly,
our
average
Ami
in
East
Boston,
is
at
or
below
50
Ami.
So
we
also
have
needed
BHA
vouchers
to
make
this
program
work.
L
L
The
city
has
made
a
very
concerted
effort
and
a
decision
on
a
policy
level
to
Target
deeper
affordability
with
the
aop
program.
We
wholly
support
that
that's
exactly
what
our
community
needs.
If
we're
going
to
really
fight
displacement
for
the
people
who
it
matters
most
for
our
low-income
families,
but
that
has
meant
that
you
know:
we've
had
to
bring
in
other
sources
of
funds
with
the
aop,
so
keep
it
flexible.
L
We
were
able
to
execute
most
recently
114
bulk
acquisition
of
36,
scattered
site
properties
under
a
new
community
governance
model,
I'm
not
going
to
go
on
and
on
about
it.
We're
super
proud
and
really
really
humbled
by
the
investment
by
the
city.
The
city
put
nine
million
dollars
of
aop
money
in
the
city
council
allocated
money.
L
What
I
will
tell
you
is
that
no
other
funder,
I,
don't
think,
would
have
put
that
kind
of
money
and
that
kind
of
belief
behind
a
community
governance
model,
and
it's
it's
it's
you
guys
now,
but
we're
proving
the
model
and
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
actually
expand
and
scale
because
of
that.
So,
by
continuing
to
keep
this
program
flexible
by
continuing
to
make
it
so
that
when
I
say
to
moh,
this
isn't
just
an
LLC,
this
isn't
a
tax
credit
project.
L
This
is
a
this
is
a
community
governance
model
and
we
have
a
trust,
stewardship
committee
and
we
have
you
know
City
Life,
on
our
on
our
board
and
no
problem.
Do
it
get
those
properties
off
the
speculative
market
and
other
people
are
going
to
come
on
board,
so
you're
proving
the
model
keep
it
flexible
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
prove
the
model
for
land
trust
as
well
and
I.
Think
you
know,
that's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
really
fight
displacement
is
if
we
can
scale
this.
So
thank
you.
M
M
A
M
M
About
15
years
ago,
it
was
me
I'm,
a
single
dad,
my
daughter
who
was
at
three
at
that
time,
my
oldest
daughter,
she
was
27.
and
my
granddaughter.
So
all
three
of
us
lived
there
for
about
10
years
and
then
the
building
was
sold
because
of
a
Family
Feud
between
his
son
and
the
father.
They
decided
to
put
them
up
the
house
on
the
market.
M
M
M
He
wanted
to
tear
the
building
and
turn
it
into
condos.
So
he
proceeded
with
his
eviction
noises.
So
City
life
was
still
in
our
backyard.
You
know
they
were
still
helping
us
out.
So
we
went
to
court
to
fight
these
evictions
and
it
took
us
four
and
a
half
years
over
20
Court
appearances
straight
through
covid
didn't
stop
us.
We
went
to
zoom,
you
know
we
had
court
sessions
in
zoom
and
everything
and
we
started
to
have
a
lawsuit
against
him
for.
M
M
M
He
did
everything
he
could
to
try
to
force
us
out
of
there,
but
we
held
strong
and
we
stood
still.
Finally,
bnclt
gave
him
an
offer,
he
took
it
and
we
are
safe.
Now,
with
that
said,
we
are
very
appreciative
of
the
bnclt
and
the
efforts
that
they
put
into
it
and
all
the
funding
that
goes
along
involved
with
it.
M
A
You
Mr
Boyd,
and
it
is
an
honor
for
us
to
have
you
here,
I
think
that
people
like
you
really
illustrate
for
the
council
and
really
for
everybody
at
City,
Hall
that
the
money
and
the
resources
that
we're
spending
really
impact
real
people
that
are
able
to
stay
in
their
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
a
third
time
being
at
risk
of
displacement.
I'm,
really
happy
that
your
local
city
government
was
able
to
come
through
this
time
and
make
sure
that
you
and
your
family
were
safe.
So,
thank
you
again.
We
have
Cortina
van
on
Zoom.
A
A
A
D
A
F
J
A
Great
miss
miss
van
we're
gonna,
do
some
more
troubleshooting
to
see
if
we
can
get
your
sound
on
and
get
your
testimony
here,
but
for
the
time
being,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
first
round
of
questions
from
the
council
before
we
get
back.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
patient,
and
hopefully
we
can
figure
this
out.
So
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
first
round
of
questions
to
the
panel
from
our
Council
colleagues
we're
going
to
start
with
the
original
sponsors.
B
Floor,
thank
you
and
thank
you
Cortina
for
being
here,
we'll
we'll
figure
out
the
sound
and
we'll
make
sure
that
your
voice
is
added.
I
want
to
thank
everyone,
all
the
panelists
again
for
being
here:
Eric
Meredith,
Lydia,
Minnie,
Tanya
Jessica,
because
I
think
your
testimony
really
exemplified
why
this
is
one
of
the
first
hearing
orders
that
I
filed,
because
we
think
it's
it's
a
one
of
the
best
things
that
we
can
do
here
as
a
city
is
investing
in
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
to
prevent
display.
B
Smith
I
had
the
pleasure
of
being
present
at
six
Humphreys
for
the
ribbon,
cutting
alongside
my
former
colleagues
at
the
Harvard
legal
aid
Bureau,
so
shout
out
to
them
for
the
advocacy
work
that
they
did
in
partnership
with
City
Life.
To
really
be
the
shield
in
preventing
that
from
preventing
the
displacement
there.
B
I
have
I,
have
lots
of
questions.
I.
Think
Eric
I
do
want
to
start
with
you,
with
sort
of
the
experience
of
of
being
a
tenant
being
able
to
fight
and
for
your
home
and
your
property
and
and
the
organizing
that
took
place
among
among
the
tenants
and
how
that
really
looped
you
into
the
Boston
Community
Land
Trust.
M
Yes,
I'm
also
I
became
a
board
member
of
the
bmclt
and
I'm
pretty
active
in
it
and
I'm.
Looking
I
look
forward
to
helping
everyone
and
showing
them
how
to
organize.
You
know
their
tenants
becoming
one.
You
know
fighting
for
the
ultimate
goal.
You
know
preserving
their
homes
as
far
as
using
our
building
as
an
example
of
how
we
brought
each
other
together,
because,
prior
to
this
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
even
spoke
to
each
other
in
the
building.
M
B
B
Thank
you,
Eric
Jessica
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
I
also
just
want
to.
You
know
we
you
outline
the
three
large
goals
behind
aop,
which
I
think
are
fantastic,
but
more
specifically,
how
does
moh
look
at
aop
in
terms
of
spatially
the
geographic
area
that
we
want
to
cover?
Do
we
do
we?
Do
we
do
that
proactively
or
do
you
allow
the
community
Advocates
of
the
groups
to
come
to
moh
and
say
this?
B
Is
these
are
the
areas
that
we
believe
need
the
most
protection
and
we're
doing
that
by
putting
in
this
RFP,
but
are
there
census
tracts
where
we
identify
for
folks?
This
is
where
we
wanna,
where
we
want
the
most
folks
to
be.
Do
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
aop
funds
are
being
sped
spread
geographically
across
the
city?
H
I'm
gonna
try
and
answer
that
a
couple
different
ways,
because
a
lot
of
folks
on
the
panel
who
I
really
appreciate
because
they
do
the
really
hard
work
of
of
closing
on
the
transactions
you
know,
borrowing,
working
and
and
most
importantly,
the
organizing
and
the
work
to
make
sure
that
they're
meeting
tenants
needs
it's
really
so.
But
but
a
lot
of
people
have
talked
about
flexibility
and
that's
a
Hallmark
of
the
program
and
I
we.
So
our
approach
is
sort
of
to
be
thoughtful
and
holistic
and
flexible.
H
I
know.
Counselor
Lara
talked
particularly
about
areas
at
at
high
high
displacement
risk,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
particularly
trying
to
focus
on
with
arpa
dollars
is
to
look
at
those
the
btd's
transit
corridors
and
the
corridors
that
that
they're
focusing
on
development,
because
we
know
that
often
that
kind
of
investment
and
attention
can
can
also
be
a
light
switch
for
towards
increased
displacement.
So
we're
trying
to
really
focus
on
opportunities
in
those
locations.
H
We
also
certainly
try
to
focus
on
opportunities
in
neighborhoods,
where
we
haven't
worked
on
or
where
we
have
lower
numbers
of
units.
That
are
part
of
the
aop
program
or
part
of
our
development
portfolio,
more
broadly,
to
try
and
put
energy
towards
opportunities
there.
We
do
all
that,
with
a
make
of
working
with
developers
that
have
good
opportunities
in
front
of
us
at
the
time
right.
We
don't
want
to
necessarily
we
don't
want
to
prioritize
or
end
up
with
all
of
our
work
in
a
certain
neighborhood.
H
All
of
us,
particularly
my
colleague,
Chris
O'keefe,
do
a
lot
of
work
like
really
combing
through
listings,
to
look
for
properties
that
look
like
they
would
be
high
likelihood
sort
of
Market
flips
and
to
try
and
reach
directly
out
to
to
people.
We
know
that
are
good
operators
and
are
working
in
those
neighborhoods
or
who've,
contacted
us
with
interest
about
aop
to
try
and
see.
H
If,
if
those
are
projects,
we
can
get
going
so
it's
it's
a
balance
of
seizing
opportunity
and
and
really
trying
to
create
opportunities
in
places
that
that
we
know
are
at
high
risk
for
displacement,
and
we
could
we
don't
I.
Don't
have
a
map
with
me,
but
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
our
if
our
data
folks
do
and
I
can
ask.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
I
I,
think
dovetailing
off
of
that
question
and
I
love
that
Chris
is
out
there
proactively.
Looking
I
think,
that's
that's
exactly
what
we
need
to
be.
What
we
need
to
be
doing
a
question,
then,
is
for
related
to
what
Meredith
mentioned
when
you
brought
up
the
this
is
the
breakdown
of
the
cost
and
you
had
an
aop
line.
I
couldn't
see
it,
but
what
was
the
per
unit
amount,
that
aop
was
funding
and
what
is
the?
K
K
I
would
say
that
125
in
this
market
is
very
low.
There's
not
a
lot
of
naturally
occurring,
affordable,
housing,
anymore
and
sometimes
often
where
tenants
are
living.
Are
they
have
landlords
who
are
really
difficult?
There's
a
lot
of
deferred
maintenance,
there's
just
a
lot
of
costs
involved
with
that
property
and
a
lot
of
times
the
landlords
are
trying
to
get
a
high
price,
for
example,
we're
working
with
organized
tenants
right
now
in
a
property
in
Harvard
Street,
where
they're
doing
everything
right
and
they've
been
very
organized
and
we'd
like
to
buy
the
property.
K
The
landlord
has
been
generally
friendly
with
them
and
says
yes,
I
want
to
help.
You
live
there.
If
you
can
figure
out
how
to
buy
it,
but
then
when
we
go
to
the
negotiation
table,
his
price
is
just
not
reachable
for
us,
so
we
we
can
try
to
come
closer,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
hard
for
us
to
purchase
properties
at
these
outrageous
market
prices.
K
So
the
aop
amount
matters,
because
we
also
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
some
Gap,
but
the
bigger
the
Gap
is
the
harder
it
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
figure
out
how
to
buy
the
property.
So
you
know
in
some
cases
you
need
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
so
I
definitely
I,
don't
know
if
the
answer
is
having
a
set
amount
or
keeping
the
flexibility,
but
I
would
encourage
being
able
to
have
the
flexibility
to
look
at
the
current
market
and
trying
to
match
the
aop
allocation
to
that.
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
we've
had
I've
had
versions
of
this
conversation
with
both
of
you
at
you
know.
We
need
an
increase,
for
you,
know
125
and
Jessica
I'd
love
for
you
to
explain
the
science
behind
that
125,
because
I
think
we
do
need
an
increase,
especially
in
this
market.
At
some
point,
you
reach
a
cliff
at
saying.
Okay,
at
what
point
is
this
no
longer
the
investment
and
the
way
that
we
want
to
prevent
displacement?
Is
it
at
250?
H
One
is
that
we
we
try
across
the
work
that
we
do
at
moh
to
really
think
about
balancing
how
the
the
amount
of
money
it
takes
to
do
an
individual
project
with
the
amount
of
money
that
you
can,
that
you
can
spread
across
the
city
and
do
as
many
projects
as
possible.
So
the
the
limits
have
typically
been
set
by
evaluations
of
of
the
market
across
the
city
and
and
evaluations
of
this
is
the
market
across
the
city.
This
is
how
much
particularly
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
triple
Deckers.
H
H
I
think
that
one
one
thing
that
a
lot
of
the
panelists
talked
about
that
is
really
important
is
that
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
us,
as
as
at
the
city,
is
that
we
are
the
only
funder,
the
only
public
funder
in
this
game
right
and
so
the
win
at
the
state
house
that
that
the
land
trust
folks
worked
on
is
is
amazing
and
really
important.
Even
though
we
know
it's,
it's
really
a
demonstration
amount
of
money,
but
I
think
that
part
of
the
conversation
is
certainly
always
about.
You
know
what
is
the?
H
What
is
the
right
amount
of
public
dollars
per
per
household
per
unit
per
project
to
put
in,
but
also
how
can
we
look
to
Partners,
who
are
also
responsible
for
taxpayers?
You
know
and
responsible
for
our
communities
to
to
participate
with
us
to
help
make
it
to
help
share
the
the
cost
a
little
bit
more
so
that
we
can
do
more
and
so
I
think
it's
that's
really
important.
Work
and
I
think
it's
it's
something
that
that
we're
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
on.
B
A
B
C
Now
have
the
floor.
Thank
you.
So
much
Madam,
chair
and
councilor
luigien
asked
a
lot
of
my
questions.
I
I
guess
I
mean
I
also
really
want
to
strongly.
Second,
the
thanks
to
the
advocates
for
pushing
at
the
state
level,
because
the
city
I
mean
we
just
can't
do
it
on
our
own
and
I
think
that
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
game.
C
Obviously
the
city
should
be
in
and
I'm
always
advocating
for
the
city
to
be
more
in
it,
but
but
we
just
know
that,
in
terms
of
like
the
share
amount
per
unit,
like
Jessica
mentioned
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
help
preserve
as
many
of
these
units
as
possible.
So
thank
you
for
pushing
the
state.
Obviously
we
need
to
get
that
line
item
a
lot
bigger,
but
it
is
always
a
first
Victory
to
get
it
to
exist
at
all.
C
So
that's
that's
really
fantastic
I
guess.
One
question
I
have
Jessica
is
just
to
confirm.
I
feel
like
there's
one
place
that
we're
not
really
at
yet
with
the
program,
and
it's
and
I
want
to
articulate
in
this
space.
My
kind
of
like
hope
that
we
might
mature
towards
this,
it
feels
to
me
like
we
for
a
variety
of
logistical
reasons.
C
Our
best
chances
of
grabbing
a
project
with
aop
is,
if
there's
kind
of
like
long
notice,
that
it's
going
to
be
on
sale
or
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
go
first
and
talk
to
people
and
kind
of
like
you
know,
because
of
all
the
details
of
like
what
are
the
other
sources
that
people
are
going
to
be
able
to
line
up.
What
are
you
know?
Obviously,
the
level
of
affordability
that
you
protect
units
at
depends
on
the
income
levels
of
the
people
who
live
in
the
building.
Now,
when
you're
buying
occupied
buildings.
C
This
is
a
note
for
people
right.
Obviously,
when
we
buy
occupied
buildings,
the
city
doesn't
want
to
end
up
in
a
situation
where
we're
then
asking
the
current
tenants
to
leave,
because
they
don't
match
some
program
and
that
can
be
actually
trickier.
I.
Think
folks,
here,
practitioners
know
that
can
be
trickier
to
line
up
than
you
might
think.
C
So
there's
like
a
lot
of
of
kind
of
things
to
work
through
and
I
know
like
here,
you're
talking
about
sort
of
seven
active
applications
that
you
guys
are
reviewing
and
thinking
about
that
mix
and
match.
I
want
to
articulate,
because
it's
kind
of
related
to
what
I
mentioned
about.
If
we
do
see
a
recession.
C
You
know
I
think
there's
actually
opportunities
to
potentially
use
a
bbda
vehicle
to
achieve
that
since
It's
Tricky
for
the
the
city
of
Boston
Proper
to
ever
be
the
acquirer
unless
we
claim
that
we're
going
to
be
building
some
kind
of
public
building
on
the
site,
but
I
just
I'm
kind
of
curious.
If
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
and
if
any
of
the
panelists
who
have
worked
on
these
deals,
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
like
what
we
would
need
to
do
to
get
there
like.
C
What
are
the
barriers
that
we
would
have
to
finesse
to
figure
out
how
the
city
could
actually
kind
of
swoop
in
in
a
and
and
I
recognize
as
a
appropriator,
that
that
would
involve
also
having
some,
like
slack
Capital
sitting
around
in
order
for
that
to
happen,
but
I'm
kind
of
curious
about.
If
we
thought
about
that
being
a
place
that
aop
got
to
eventually,
what
would
we
need
to
do
to
make
that
happen?.
H
H
First
of
all,
we
despite
a
lot
of
concerns
when
we
were
setting
up
the
program
about
what
does
it
mean
to
be
a
publicly
supported
buyer
and
how
will
that
look
against,
as
people
have
talked
about
against
cash
buyers
that
the
city
has
never
been
the
issue
in
a
closing
we
have.
We
have
yet
to
be
the
last
one
ready,
even
though
we
all
like
sweat
a
lot
and
there's
a
lot
of
hand
ringing.
H
H
H
Think
that
that
the
the
owners
that
the
owners
represented
here
for
sure
are
able
to
make
connections
with
residents
and
then
ensure
that
on
day,
one
there's
a
strategy
both
for
any
upgrades
that
the
building
needs
and
for
property
management
and
I
I
know
moh
for
certain
is
not
set
up
to
do
that
and
and
I
don't
know
that
the
city,
you
know
we
don't
operate
residential
buildings,
and
so
that
is
that's.
That's
one
thing
that
this
partnership
model
really
helps
with
but
I'll
hand
it
over
to
others.
L
So
we
we
have
actually
had
I,
think
a
really
strong
partnership
with
with
moh,
but
also
you
know,
as
a
local
CDC.
That's
worried
about
this
exact
issue
of
you
know
properties
turning
over
and
tenants
being
wholesale
evicted
out
of
buildings.
We
also
monitor
the
MLS
listings
in
our
neighborhood
I'm
sure
that
others
do
as
well.
So
you
know
and-
and
we
you
know
so
I-
think
one
good
way
of
doing
it.
I
still
think
that
you
want
the
organizations
that
are
closest
to
the
ground
to
be
the
ones
executing
the
model.
L
The
the
difficulty
you're
going
to
have
is.
Do
you
have
organizations
city-wide
to
make
that
happen
right?
Is
there
a
CDC
in
every
neighborhood
or
a
land
trust
in
every
neighborhood
Who?
Not
only
has
the
capacity
to
execute
the
acquisition,
but
let's
remember
we're
going
to
own
these
properties
long
term
right,
so
we
have
the
next
50
years
at
least
30,
where
before
we
were
like
refinancing
and
everything
where
we're
also
the
owners
of
this
property,
so
I
think
one
thing
that
would
help
us
to
execute
the
model.
L
A
little
bit
faster
is
that
when
we
are
running
the
numbers,
the
biggest
uncertain
number
in
that
model
is
the
rehab.
So
we
can
go
in.
We
know
the
listing
price.
We
know,
maybe
what
the
wiggle
room
is
and
the
market
to
negotiate,
but
in
the
end,
to
get
into
the
property
to
do
your
lead.
Inspection
to
you
know
actually
wholesale
open
it
up
and
look
at
the
rehab.
That's
the
most
challenging
thing
to
do
quickly
and
a
lot
of
buyers.
L
A
lot
of
sellers
don't
want
to
give
you
that
due
diligence,
because
they
know
what
you're
going
to
find
right
so
I
think
the
aop
program
is
really
good
at
executing
Acquisitions
I.
Don't
think
it
was
designed
to
be
to
fund
rehab
and
so
I
think
if
there
was
a
separate
pot
of
funding
the
thing
that
I
worry
about
a
little
bit.
Is
we
go
in
we're
gung-ho?
We
get
these
properties
off
the
market.
L
You
know,
to
a
certain
extent
we're
a
little
bit
Bottom
Feeders
right,
because
we
don't
we're
not
trying
to
inflate
the
market.
So
a
lot
of
times
we're
taking
the
lower
priced
units
off
the
market,
there's
a
reason
why
they're
priced
that
way,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
program
is
sustainable
for
the
long
run,
we're
not
setting
people
up
to
live
in
substandard
conditions,
I
I
think
a
rehab
component,
that's
separate
funding
from
the
aop
so
that
we
can
still
execute
quickly
on
the
acquisition
side.
L
C
Yeah
and
and
I
I
see
so,
but
I
I
think
that
there's
obviously
also
a
huge
need
for
the
state
to
step
up
on
rehab
for
affordable
housing
in
general,
especially
with
the
kind
of
Green
Building
goals
in
the
city
and
Statewide.
So
it
feels
to
me
like
that,
be
it
might
be
another
place
for
us
to
kind
of
push
for
a
warm
handshake
with
the
state
would
be
in
that,
like
rehab
pot,
but
I.
Think
Lydia
was
going
to
say
something.
J
Yeah
I'm
not
as
experienced
you
know
in
the
development
world,
but
I
think
that
one
of
the
what
we
have
I
would
say
that
we
have
lost
many
many
offers
because
of
speed,
and
it's
never
gotten
to
the
point
that
we
actually,
you
know,
had
an
application
into
aop.
But
it's
just
because
you
know
we
couldn't
close
as
a
quick
cash
buyer.
J
J
You
know
one
of
the
ideas
that
I've
kind
of
floated,
but
haven't
you
know,
had
a
chance
to
really
pursue.
Is
you
know
what
we
have
inclusionary
development
for
new
construction?
But
what
about
something
like
inclusionary
rehab,
where,
if
you
put
in
a
certain
amount
of
money,
I
mean
we
know
you,
you
know
you
put
in
money
and
then
you
know
us
a
lot
of
money
to
fix
up
properties,
but
you
could
at
least
say
well,
you
know,
25
percent
of
those
units
has
to
be.
You
know
affordable.
C
J
C
And
say
that
that
if
had
an
opportunity
to
Purchase
Act
where
to
pass
at
the
state
level,
which
I
know
again,
a
lot
of
the
folks
here,
including
you-
have
been
major
proponents
of
that-
would
sort
of
give
us
on
every,
like
large
multi-family
property
a
moment
to
sort
of
intervene
and
get
our
funds
together.
But
I
hear
that's
my
timer.
So
thank
you
so
much
Madam
chair.
D
You,
madam
chair,
your
program,
states
that
you're
fighting,
gentrification
and
I
understand
I
understand
the
general
point.
But
can
you
tell
me
specifically
to
the
policies
that
you
speak
of
when
I
heard
Tanya
mentioned
on
a
policy
level
that
there
are
implementations
to
to
do
this
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
specific
policies
and
programs
are
in
place
or
being
planned
for
to
fight
gentrification?
And
how
exactly
do
you
fight
gentrification
in
this
program.
D
You
see,
you
see
how
some
areas
looking
at
some
areas
and
others
and
putting
that
together,
the
medium
does
not
benefit
the
the
people
on
the
bottom,
and
so
that
leaves
us
to
policies
that
we
currently
work
with
either
this
one-third
one-third
rule
or
Amis
that
are
above
80
percent
saying
that
that's
affordable.
We
know
that
that's
absolutely
horrendous,
it's
not
even
close,
so
I
guess
I'm
I'm
wondering
where's
the
data
in
terms
of
up
to
now.
H
So
the
the
how
the
Ami
levels
have
have
sort
of
played
out
is
that
well,
first
of
all,
as
Tanya
mentioned
in
the
beginning
of
the
program,
this
was
geared.
It's
always
had
a
focus
on
on
creating
lower
restricting
for
lower
Amis
and
I
would
say.
Most
importantly,
it's
always
had
a
focus
on
protecting
people
in
the
units
that
they're
in
so
like
I
know.
H
We
did
a
lot
of
work
with
East,
Boston
and
part
of
why
they
brought
vouchers
into
their
program
is
specifically
because
they
had
purchased
properties
and
agreed
to
restrict
them
at
60
percent
of
Ami.
But
one
of
the
flexibility
things
that
this
program
has
to
do
is
is
sometimes
make
some
really
fair
assumptions
based
on
what
we
see
in
the
rent
roll,
what
we
know
about
rents
in
the
neighborhood
or
population.
H
We
don't
always
know
people's
specific
income
at
the
time
of
acquisition,
because
it
really
depends
on
the
buyer
and
how
I
mean
the
seller
and
how
willing
they
are
to
share
information.
So
East
Boston
had
purchased
some
properties
where
the
the
restricted
runs
were
at
60
percent,
but
as
as
they
got
to
know
the
tenants,
it
was
clear
that
that
was
that
was
too
big
of
a
stretch
for
them
and
so
worked
really
hard
to
get
vouchers
and
other
solutions
to
make
sure
that
the
specific
tenants
that
were
living
in
those
units
could
stay.
H
H
So
we've
hit
that
50
number
I
I,
don't
have
the
number
in
front
of
me
of
how
many
are
are
you
know
at
the
30
and
50,
but
that's
something
that
we
can
provide.
We
are.
We
are
really
up
against
some
of
the
cost
issues
that
that
I
was
talking
about,
which
is
that
in
some
cases,
particularly
through
this
partnership
with
BHA,
we've
been
able
to
match
some
City
vouchers
and
other
resources
to
make
sure
that
we
can
keep
the
rents
lower.
H
So
this
hasn't
necessarily
been
the
the
the
program
that
has
put
more
units
at
30
and
50
on
the
market
right
when
you
look
sort
of
compared
to
maybe
our
production
program,
but
but
but
we
try
really
hard
and
and
I
would
say
that
that
one
of
the
priorities
that's
really
important
is
is
that
is
this
requirement
that
you
don't
displace
tenants
and
that
you
make
sure
that
there's
a
way
for
people
that
are
living
in
the
building
to
stay?
Who
who
are
who
are
below
Market
income?
So
it's.
D
D
Thank
you,
I
mean
I,
guess
you're
you're
doing
your
job
and
you're
doing
it.
Well,
if
the
policies
don't
work
and
if
we
continue
to
have
the
conversations
that
bring
up
points
about
stretching
thin
and
not
being
able
to
do
a
thing
that
we
say
we're
doing
so,
for
example,
I
can
go
on
the
website
and
I
can
say.
Oh
look,
what
a
wonderful
idea!
H
D
The
market
is
a
problem
and
the
city
has
a
responsibility
and
there's
a
program
that
says
it
does
a
thing.
Then
the
city
has
the
responsibility
to
spend
more
money
to
do
the
thing
that
they
say
that
they're
doing
or
change
the
words
on
the
website
and
say
we're
not
doing
that.
We
actually
kind
of
do
that,
and
we
want
to
do
that
instead
of
saying
we're
doing
that
and
I
think
the
issue
here
is
that
when
we
are
generalizing
calculations
or
maps
to
cover
a
problem,
these
are
blanket.
D
You
know
solutions
that
are
not
actually
curing
the
problem,
and
so
we
want
to
help
with
that
on
the
policy
level.
If
there
isn't
one
and
I'm
happy
we're
here,
but
I
guess:
I
speak
to
the
fact
that
in
Roxbury
or
in
areas
are
not
the
same
as
other
areas
in
Boston
and
we're
looking
at
this
in
a
very
general
sense,
and
if
we
continue
to
buy
properties
who
owns
them
in
those
non-profits
who
work
there
and
then
do
we
can
further
keep
people.
D
You
know
black
and
brown
people
poor
and
then
everybody
else
employed
in
the
nonprofits.
Do
that
does
that
reflect
the
people
that
are
in
those
housing
and
then,
if
we
quickly
move
into
rent
to
own,
then
we're
really
talking
about
Equity,
if
not
we're
just
going
to
stay
in
that
same
sort
of
model
of
keeping
everyone
body,
you
know
front
workers
or
everybody
poor.
D
That's
black
and
brown
in
these
stagnant
sort
of
restricted
housing
that
doesn't
go
anywhere
and
then,
if
we
actually
want
to
help
people,
because
that's
where
they
are,
we
want
to
meet
people
where
they
are
with
affordable
housing.
Then
we're
looking
at
these
Amis
we're
saying
forget
the
federal
calculations.
L
So
if
I'm,
it
is
about
money
right,
it's
about
money
and
the
bigger
bedroom
sizes
are
harder
to
do
so.
If
you
are
prioritizing
families
and
what
I
will
say
is
our
scattered
site.
Multi-Family
is
like
the
reason
why
we
want
to
preserve
the
two
and
three
families
is
because
we're
not
building
four
bedroom
units.
We're
you
know,
that's
the
only
time
that
we've
really
been
able
to
get
three
and
four
bedroom
units
back
into
low-income
families
is,
as
part
of
our
portfolio,
is
that
we
get
them
off
of
our
existing
scattered
site.
L
Multi-Family
Market
everybody's
naughty,
so
but
there's
no
incentive
for
us
to
get
three
and
four
bedroom
five
bedroom
units,
because
I
get
the
same
amount
of
money,
whether
I'm
buying
a
two
bedroom
or
whether
I'm
buying
a
four
bedroom.
So
that's
some
flexibility
on
a
policy
level.
You
have
I
also
get
the
same
amount
of
money.
Quite
honestly
and
I
know
that
moh
does
try
to
correct
for
this,
but
but
in
a
strict
sense,
it's
the
same
amount
of
money,
whether
I
am
restricting
the
unit
at
50,
Ami
or
80
Ami
right,
that's.
L
What
a
just
flat
per
unit
cap
does
on
a
policy
level.
So
you
can
give
more
money
if
you're
going
to
restrict
more
deeply
because
that
money
comes
right
off
of
my
My
First
Mortgage.
So
I
think
it's
great
great
priorities
to
have
like
good
thoughtfulness
and
ways
to
tweak
the
program
so
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
on
a.
D
If
we're
talking
about
responsible
programming,
we
have
to
look
at
how
we're
doing
this.
The
problem
is
not
that
we
don't
have
enough.
You
know
non
profits
or
in
the
communities
of
color
or
black
and
brown
developers.
The
problem
is
that
historically,
we've
just
not
been
responsible,
so
I'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
that.
If
you
don't
mind.
H
Yeah
I
we
can
provide
all
that
and
I
do
just
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
because
the
program
is
not
solely
for
non-profits
and
we
have
had
for-profit
participants
and
they've
done
really
great
work
and
a
number
of
them
have
been
Boston
based,
including
a
business
that
was
able
to
purchase
the
building
that
included
their
business
and
housing.
Above
so
I'm.
Only
saying
that,
because
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
up
here
and
not
give
credit
to
those
really
important
Partners,
so
those
those
folks
will
be
on
the
list.
F
F
L
F
Excellent
and
then
also
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
I
know
that
in
our
neighborhood
there's
a
lot
of
speculative
investment,
two
families,
three
families
are
gone
before.
We
even
know
they're
on
the
market,
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
the
flexibility.
What
is
the
timeline
for
sort
of
getting
a
heads
up
that
there's
something
available
to
give
me
some
sense
of
the
time
and
and
and
what
the
turnaround
if
it's
an
urgent
situation,
how
we
can
intervene.
H
So,
in
our
basic
understanding
and
as
well
as
both
our
experiences
and
what
we've
heard
from
Brokers
that
we've
talked
to
about
the
program,
we
need
to
be
ready
to
go
from.
Someone
calls
us
about
a
property
and
and
we're
at
the
closing
table
in
three
months
and
that
that's
sort
of
the
rule
of
thumb
we
work
on.
Unfortunately,
there's
usually
legal
questions
or
you
know,
building
questions
or
whatever
like
or
you
know
getting
everyone
at
the
table.
H
Kind
of
things
that
happen
where,
where
that
three
months
is,
is
rare
in
terms
of
how
things
actually
play
out.
But
but
what
we
do
is
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we're
operationalized
so
that
we
can
respond
that
quickly
and
we,
but
we
can.
Actually,
we
can
issue
a
commitment
to
a
project
within
a
couple
weeks
and
that's
really
what
the
buyer
needs
to
make
sure
that
they
can
lock
into
an
agreement.
So
yeah.
F
H
We
have
not
seen
that
it
does
go
to
question
of
when,
when
we
are
thinking
about
what
a
per
unit
number
is,
we
want
to
set
a
number
that
will
allow
the
the
buyers
we
work
with
to
be
competitive
and
we
don't
want
to
set
a
number
that
becomes
a
market
driver
and
we
are
really
careful
in
this
program.
I
mean
across
all
of
our
programs
to
be
sure
that
that
the
the
projects
that
we're
participating
in
aren't
driving
the
market
up,
you
know,
there's
no
guarantees
there,
but
we
do
we.
We
talk
to.
H
F
F
Students
can
club
together
and
pay
their
400
and
4
500
a
month
and
families
there's
no
way
in
hell
that
they
can
afford
four
thousand
five
hundred
a
month,
so
I
just
feel
is
there
any
do
we
have
any?
And
this
is
not
a
question.
Maybe
you
can
answer
is
there?
Are
we?
Are
there
any
mechanisms
to
try
and
put
the
brakes
on
that
sort
of
speculative
investment?
F
And
you
know
outside
investors,
cash
buyers
coming
in
putting
down
a
million
dollars
in
cash
for
a
for
a
triple
A
tree
family,
converting
every
single
living
space
into
a
bedroom
and
then
renting
it
out
for
a
thousand
dollars
a
bedroom?
You
know
they're
maxing
their
profit.
It's
it's
deteriorating!
It's
just
making
our
neighborhoods
totally
impossible
for
families
which
also
knocks
on
to
why
we've
got
a
falling
enrollment
in
our
schools.
Families
discount
and
in
our
neighborhood
I
also
feel
that
the
horses
last
left
the
barn
a
long
time
ago
like
20
years
ago.
F
H
So,
as
you're
as
you
said,
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
total
answer
to
this
right,
because
some
of
that
is
a
really
important
statement.
But
one
thing
that
I
I
would
say
is
you
know,
I
I
think
that
preventing
that
flip
right?
That's
that's
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
and
that's
our
biggest
tool
right
now
but
I.
H
Maybe
we
don't
always
communicate
this
well,
but
when
we
do
look
at
projects
that
are
more
expensive,
while
the
calculation
that
that
we
do
in
underwriting
looks
like
looks
like,
for
example,
East
Boston
is
getting
the
same
amount
for
a
one
bedroom
versus
a
three
bedroom
that
the
reality
of
how
we
think
about
it
is,
if
there's
a
property
with
more
larger
bedrooms,
in
the
same
way
that
if
there's
a
property
where
the
buyer
can
guarantee
more
units
that
are
restricted
at
lower
Amis.
We
are.
H
Those
are
properties
where
we're
thinking
more
about
you
know.
Can
we
stretch
a
little
farther
for
this
property
because
it
offers
something
that
is
more
expensive,
so,
while
the
calculation
is
done
on
a
per
unit
basis,
the
analysis
is
done.
Looking
at
sort
of.
What's
the
you
know,
what's
the
sort
of
comparative
benefit
or
what's
the
additional
benefit
that
we're
getting
with
this
project.
F
Yeah
and
then
you
know
I
think
Lydia
mentioned
on
you
know
in
terms
of
opportunities
for
land
trusts
and
the
idea
of
seniors.
You
know
a
lot
of
us
as
we
get
older,
we're
over
housed,
we're
maybe
in
two
family
homes
that
are
harder
and
harder
to
maintain,
because,
as
our
elders
get
older,
it's
they
have
less
income
and
they've
less
disposable
income
and
they
have
less
capacity
to
keep
up.
F
H
J
Not
the
answer,
but
this
is
something
that
we're
really
actively
pursuing
in
the
community:
Land
Trust
Network,
and
actually,
with
that
two
million
dollar
CLT
fund
that
the
city
council
passed.
We
carved
out
500
000
of
that
to
go
specifically
towards
capacity
building
and
figuring
out.
This
kind
of
property
acquisition,
transfer
property
transfer
different
models
that
will
help.
J
You
know
help
us
do
that
kind
of
work,
because
that's
actually
one
of
the
most
cost-effective
ways
too,
that
we
can
preserve
existing,
affordable
housing
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
even
mean
we
may
not
even
have
to
buy
some
of
those
properties,
but
there
could
be
a
land
transfer.
There
could
be
a
life
estate.
J
F
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
Braden
and
I'm,
going
to
move
to
my
questions
before
we
get
Miss
Cortina
I
think
we
fixed
her
sound
and
move
on
to
the
second
round
of
questions.
Thank
you
for
being
so
incredibly
patient
and
thank
you
all
of
you
for
all
of
your
work
on
this
I
have
a
question
and
I
think
it's
for
the
Community
Land
Trust
Network.
First,
what
areas
of
the
city
or
specific
neighborhoods
are
not
covered
by
your
land,
trust
or
just
the
network
of
land
trust
that
you
have
in
the
city?
I
Yeah
we
so
within
Boston
there's
Dudley
neighbors
Inc
in
Roxbury,
North
Dorchester,
Boston,
Neighborhood,
CLT,
Mattapan,
Dorchester,
Roxbury,
Chinatown,
CLT,
Highland
Park
is
in
its
very
early
stages,
Highland
Park,
Roxbury,
herb,
there's
Urban
Boston
Farm
CLT,
which
is
primarily
in
Mattapan
I,
believe,
is
that
right,
their
property
and
and
and
Roxbury
so
yeah.
So
all
the
neighborhoods.
You
know
that
that's
where
we
we're
doing
the
bulk
of
our
work
within
or
or-
and
this
is
I'll
just
extrapolate
a
little
to
say
that
we
do
have
this
question.
I
You
know
we're
very
place-based
organizations,
and
there
are
great
reasons
to
look
outside
of,
like
our
organizational
catchment
areas
to
you
know
serve
like
we've
had
folks
from
JP
who
have
like
specifically
families
who
might
want
to
transfer
properties
into
a
CLT.
We
like
the
model.
We
want
to
work
with
you
and
then
there's
this
question
of
like
oh
well
is
that
is
it
you
know?
K
A
A
The
work
of
expanding
the
coverage
of
community
land
trust
or
like
the
creation
of
Community
Land
Trust,
because
particularly
you're,
so
Place
based,
and
so
it
means
that
people
in
Roxbury
can
have
ownership
over
their
specific
neighborhood.
It
means
that
people
in
Dorchester
have
this
kind
of
neighborhood
of
ownership
over
their
specific
neighborhood,
and
so
is
there
any
work.
That's
happening
to
increase,
because
capacity
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
mentioned
here,
particularly
about
you
know.
I
Yeah,
so
to
the
to
the
specifically
about
dsni,
that's
that
question
of
like
how
do
we
expand
and
how
do
we
deepen
our
impact
now,
40
years
into
this
organization,
existing
the
land
trust
has
been
established,
it
doesn't
us
building
new
like
new
construction,
doesn't
make
as
much
sense.
You
know
it
doesn't
make
the
same
sense
it
did
before
so
we
are,
we
are
you
know
we
follow
our
the
we
we're
learning
from
our
partners
who
are
really
out
there
with
acquisition
and
preservation
and
wondering
okay.
Well,
is
this?
I
Can
we
do
this
in
our
like?
How
would
this
look
in
our
own
neighborhood?
Can
we
do
this?
How
you
know,
how
can
we
make
this
possible
for
us
within
our
catchment
area
because
yeah-
because
it's
just
so
built
up
already
so
I-
think
each
each
CLT
always
has
to
be
asking
itself
like
how
agile
can
we
be
like?
What
are
the
needs
right
now?
How
much
can
we
sort
of
like
how
do
we?
I
I
We,
you
know
our
main
I'd
be
happy
to
share
work
plan
with
you
guys.
Our
main
really
I
mean
really
our
main
goals.
Right
now
are,
like
you
know,
piloting
the
CLT
fund
advancing
the
state
legis.
The
state
legislation,
which
would
help,
which
you
know
ideally
over
time,
would
help
other
cdcs
and
clts
across
the
state
to
have
you
know
to
do
their
work
to
because
this
would
be
they'd
have
access
to
State
funds.
I
It
wouldn't
be
confined
to
Boston
figuring
out
this
property
transfer
work
I
think
when
there
are
more
pipelines
for
like
we
can
see.
If
we
can,
if
we
can
figure
out
how
to
get
seniors
homes
into
Community
Land
trusts
and
can
like
build
a
program
that
incentivizes
it,
then
people
in
Jamaica,
Plain
or
in
other
parts
of
the
city
can
say.
I
Oh
I
want
to
do
that
too,
can
I
do
it
here
in
my
neighborhood,
so
I
think
some
of
the
sort
of
programmatic
and
legislative
work
that
we're
doing
will
over
time,
Bennett
like
how
to
sorry
have
a
benefit
outside
of
our
particular
clts
and
just
sort
of
help.
The
ecosystem
help
make
this
all
more
possible,
and
then
we
do.
You
know
we
just
sort
of
ad
hoc
casually
have
conversations
with
lots
of
community
groups
about
who
are
interested
in
starting
clts
and
are
like
how
do
you
do
it?
A
So
there
it
seems
like
there
is
a
vacuum
inter
like
there
is
some
technical
support
available,
but
there
might
be
a
vacuum
for
let's
say:
Mr
Boyd
wants
to
start
a
community
and
Trust
in
his
neighborhood
in
the
South
End
to
help
some
people
who've
been
there
put
their
Brownstones
and
their
Triple
Decker
Brownstone
that
they've
owned
for
Generations
into
a
Community
Land
Trust.
There
is
kind
of
like
a
oh.
How
do
we
there's
a
vacuum
in
terms
of
like
technical
support?
H
A
A
N
N
Here
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Christina.
Van
I
was
born
in
Boston
I
live
in
Dorchester
I'm,
a
staff
member
at
Maha,
Massachusetts,
affordable
housing,
Alliance
and
I'm.
Also
a
board
member
with
bnclt
Boston
Neighborhood
Community
Land
Trust
I
just
want
to
thank
chairwoman,
Laura
counselors,
Luigi,
Fernandez,
Anderson,
auroria,
Brandon,
Coletta
clarity,
Mahia
moral
Flynn
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
in
support
of
Boston's
acquisition
opportunity
program
as
a
staffer
from
Maha.
Our
mission
is
to
educate
and
mobilize
to
increase,
affordable,
homeownership
opportunities.
N
We
want
to
break
down
barriers
facing
first
time
and
first
generation
home
buyers
and
close
the
racial
wealth
and
homeownership
gaps.
It's
unacceptable
that
we
have
a
racial
homeownership
Gap
as
documented
in
the
book.
The
Color
of
law,
home
ownership
opportunities
have
been
Out,
Of
Reach
for
so
many
in
the
Commonwealth,
especially
families
of
color
through
exclusionary
policies
and
practices,
resulted
in
nearly
70
percent
homeownership
rate
in
Massachusetts
or
white
households,
while
just
a
35
rate
for
households
of
color.
N
It's
sad
I
go
back
to
my
old
neighborhood
and
in
Roxbury
and
I
see
the
changes
with
my
own
eyes.
The
families,
mostly
families
of
color,
that
I
grew
up
with,
are
gone
as
a
matter
of
fact.
There
are
not
many
families
at
all,
mostly
college
and
university
students
residing
in
homes
that
low
to
Modern
Family
low
to
Modern
income,
families
and
individuals
can't
afford
to
rent
or
own
it's
my
understanding
that
the
aop
has
been
primarily
primarily
to
stabilize
tenant,
vulnerability
to
the
forces
of
gentrification
and
speculative
investors.
N
I
am
hopeful
that
this
could
be
potentially
helpful
in
home
ownership
as
well.
I
am
hopeful
that
you
know
there
are
folks
that
are
our
Maha
class
graduates
and
Maha
members
they're
seeking
to
purchase
their
own
homes
or
they
are
currently
renters,
and
they
face
these
forces
of
unaffordable
rents,
house
prices
and
gentrification
home
ownership
helps
in
building
Financial
stability,
security
being
part
of
the
bnclt.
N
There
are
some
of
the
residents
that
you
know
we
work
with
that
are
hopeful
about
the
potential
of
becoming
first-time
home
buyers
and
being
on
the
land
trust
it
allows
folks
the
possibility
to
help
plan
and
prepare
for
an
opportunity
of
homeownership
someday.
The
aop
is
an
important
tool
in
the
prevention
of
displacement
and
the
preservation
of
affordable
housing.
I
am
very
grateful
to
be
working
with
fellow
Advocates
that
are
using
this
program
to
help
our
neighbors
have
stability,
knowing
that
they
are
secure
in
their
homes,
it
will
not
be
displaced.
N
They
are
living
at
places
like
the
Boston
Neighborhood
communities.
Land
Trust
I'm
excited
about
the
potential
to
have
affordable
home
ownership
as
an
option
that
is
fostered
by
the
IOP
on
bmclt
and
other
options
and
locations.
Homeownership
is
a
vehicle
that
can
help
families
and
individuals,
accumulate,
wealth
and
Equity
to
their
households.
We
are
looking
at
home
ownership
in
other
ways,
for
families
to
build
wealth
and
security
for
their
families.
I
encourage
our
Administration
and
our
city
councilors
to
allow
aop
to
flourish
and
help
our
City's
residents
to
remain
and
Thrive.
N
A
B
H
B
B
I
B
Great
because
I
know
that
was
also
one
of
those
appreciate
it.
It's
also
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
have
a
hearing,
because
we
know
that
that
money
was
being
tied
up,
but
just
to
be
clear
as
we're
thinking
about
budget
season
on
the
city
council.
That's
a
two
million
dollar
that
you
would
two
million
dollars
that
you
would
like
to
see
recur
every
year
to
support
the
really
important
work
of
of
building
out
incapacity.
Building
that
communal
interests
are
trying
to
do
correct
right.
I
B
B
How
we
can
lean
into
this
work
that
Community
Land
trusts
are
also
trying
to
do
of
working
with
potentially
over
house
seniors
and
making
taking
their
homes
off
of
the
speculative
Market,
by
working
in
partnership
with
them,
to
preserve
their
right
to
age,
with
dignity
in
place
and
to
make
sure
that
we
are
preserving
our
neighborhoods
in
the
way
that
we
we
want
them
to.
Look
like.
H
So
I
I
don't
have
a
a
specific
answer
other
than
that
I
think
this
program
is
set
up
in
such
a
way
that
we
we
could
work
with
interested
sellers
for
sure,
and
it's
something
that
I've
I've
pondered
I
think
we've
spoken
about
it
and
certainly
that
I
I
know
that
the
land
trust
community's
been
talking
about
a
lot
and
I
I
hope
that
we've
demonstrated
a
strong
willingness
to
think
collaboratively
together
and
I.
Think
we'd
really
like
to
think
about
this
yeah.
B
And
I'd
really
like
us
to
to
do
a
lot
more
work,
and
hopefully
the
two
million
dollars
will
help
us
get
there
in
that
capacity.
Building
of
doing
that,
affirmative,
aggressive
Outreach
that
the
private
Market
is
able
to
do
to
really
know
that
to
truly
help.
People
know
that
there
is
an
alternative
than
selling
to
the
person
who
keeps
on
calling
your
your
house,
and
you
don't
know
if
they're,
if
it's
predatory
or
what's
happening
so
just
just
sense.
B
There
I
get
Lydia
you
mentioned
and
Cortina
brought
it
up,
I'm
curious
if
aop
and
I
believe
it
has.
But
you
can
correct
me
if
aop
has
worked
to
preserve
home
ownership.
It
has
because
of
the
Chinatown
Land
Trust.
If
Jessica,
if
you
could
speak
to,
is
there
tension
there?
How
does
moh
look
at
the
present
preservation
when
it
comes
to
homeownership
Opportunities,
you
know
I.
B
Think
aop
is
the
acquisition
opportunity
program
is
great
because
it's
about
preserving
tendencies
that
are
at
risk
that
are
at
risk
of
of
displacement,
but
there
are
I,
think
interesting
ways
of
thinking
about
this
from
a
home
ownership
perspective
and
would
love
to
hear
how
moh
thinks
about
it
and
Lydia.
If
you
wanted
to
chime
in
a
bit
more
about
how
you
see
it,
working
together
with
preserving
tendencies.
H
But
I
I
think
that
I
I
say
all
that
to
say
that
it
aop
wasn't
conceived
of
as
a
homeownership
program
and
therefore
there
are
some
different
questions
and
things
to
think
about
were
to
pretend
to
be
used
more
broadly
towards
home
ownership.
It
doesn't
mean
that
it's
it's
off
the
table
and
or
I
mean
we
have
done
it,
but
but
I
think
that
probably
that's
something
that
we
would
need
to
explore
together
to
figure
out
sort
of.
Is
it
the
same
program
or
is
it
something
a
little
bit
different.
L
When
you
talk
about
home
ownership,
because
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
whole
question
about
in
perpetuity
and
and
how
long
are
these
is,
the
question
is
the
goal
to
create
home
ownership
opportunities
that
are
have
a
long-term
restriction
on
the
affordability
side?
Also
or
or
is
the
goal
to
sort
of
close
the
racial
wealth
Gap
and
allow
for
some
some
appreciation
and
resale.
B
J
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
it
acknowledged
that
aop's
focus
is
on
has
been
historically
on
rental,
but
because
its
focus
is
anti-displacement.
I.
Think
that
there's
a
role
for
you
know
home
ownership
as
well,
and
we've
used
it
in
fact
to
create
the
a
permanently
affordable
condos
in
Chinatown
and
the
prod.
J
I
think
that
you
know
we
are
particularly
interested
in
permanently
affordable
housing,
because,
if
we're
going
to
put
that
investment
in,
we
want
it
to
be
there
for
the
long
term
for
the
community
and
I
guess,
one
of
the
things
I
just
want
to
add
is
that
we
often
talk
about
it
like
we're,
pitting
wealth,
building
for
communities
of
color
against
permanent
affordability
and
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
that
we
need
to
do
both
so
residents
and
homeowners
of
our
units.
They
are
Building
Wealth
they're.
J
L
B
I
Thank
you
yeah,
so
a
community
land
trust,
it's
a
non-profit
organization,
so
it's
governed
by
a
board
of
directors
and
it
owns
Land
by
definition.
Community
Land
trusts
own
land,
and
then
they
will.
They
won't
sell
the
land.
The
idea
is
they've
taken
it
off
the
market
and
they
don't
have
any
kind
of
profit
agenda.
They
will
lease
their
land
to
various
users
for
various
uses.
So
it's
typically
like
sort
of
the
most
common
use
is
home
ownership
on
top
of
a
land
trust,
so
homeowners
will
buy
a
buy,
buy
a
house.
I
You
know
rental
costs
for
business
owners
as
low
as
possible.
That's
something
we're
all
interested
in
and
have
explored
a
little
bit.
We
see
open
space,
Farm
use
it
like
farming.
Basically,
any
way
that
land
can
be
used
could
be
used
on
a
Community
Land
Trust.
As
long
as
it's
Mission
aligned.
Thank
you
and
Rental
housing.
Yeah
rental,
I,
yeah,
home
ownership
is
sort
of
the
most
common
typical
one
across
the
country,
but
there's
a
lot
of
rental
housing
too,
as
well,
especially
in
our
Boston
members.
I
B
You
Minnie
and
Parks
yeah
I
want
to
thank
Jessica
and
your
team
at
moh
and
all
the
panelists
for
for
answering
when,
when
we
wanted
to
do
this
hearing,
and
also
for
for
for
urging
us
to
do
this,
hearing
and
I
know
that
you
have
our
support
when
it
comes
to
thinking
about
how
we
can
strengthen
aop
and
I
know
that
the
administration
is
thinking
about
this
as
well.
So
thank
you.
D
You,
madam
chair
I,
mean
I,
guess
thinking
about
like
these
different
set
of
models
that
are
in
place
when
it
comes
to
land,
trust
and
restricted
Deeds.
It's
not
the
perfect
model,
because
then
we're
talking
about
restricted
deeds
and
not
being
able
to
actually
build
equity
in
the
way
that
we
want
to.
D
We
want
to
be
able
to
liquidate
our
assets
and
pass
down
to
generational
wealth,
but
the
other
risk
to
that
too
right
is
that
the
owner
can
then
sell
to
the
market
and
further
gentrify
or
further
the
harm.
Because
then,
if
there
was,
you
know
a
bigger
profit,
then
there's
an
incentive
to
sell
and
not
keep
it
in
the
restricted
market
and
not
allow
other
folks
of
lower
income
to
afford
the
homeownership.
D
So
I
understand
you
know
the
struggle
of
balancing
that
out,
while
thinking
about
other
creative
ways
to
not
restrict
it
so
tightly,
though
maybe
increasing
the
percentage
and
I'm
quite
sure,
I
mean
other
folks
have
thought
about
this.
How
do
we
open
it
up
a
little
bit
to
build
more
Equity
so
that
folks
can
actually
build
more
wealth
on
this?
D
D
I
think
that
while
you're
doing
all
of
this,
you
know
and
I
I
understand
your
point
about
focusing
on
rental,
and
so
all
of
that
takes
programming
takes
management,
takes
sustainability
and
those
resources
are
directly
allocated
or
time
allocated
employee
allocated
to
managing
the
program
for
rental.
So
you
have
not.
Actually
you
don't
actually
have
a
program
created
to
be
able
to
transition
folks
to
ready
themselves
fiscally
or
otherwise
to
become
homeowners.
I
think
that
the
conversation
here
is
saying
the
further.
We
continue
to
own,
whether
non-profit,
whether
cdc's,
whether
city
or
state.
D
We
are
perpetuating
folks
to
remain
in
poor
situations
and
not
allowing
opportunities
to
close
a
wealth
Gap,
not
allowing
opportunities
for
folks
to
go
from.
You
know:
lower
class,
poor,
lower
class
to
middle
class
or
middle
class
to
wealth,
and
so
the
rent
to
own
model,
as
everyone
is
like
talking
about
it,
I
filed
for
it
and
my
colleagues
all
supported
it.
D
In
terms
of
you
know
having
the
conversation
and
understanding
more
about
it,
because
it's
it's
an
opportunity
that
sounds
like
if
we
find
a
model
that
works
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
if
the
city
of
Boston
is
willing
to
invest
enough
money
in
it
that
we're
allowing
folks
an
opportunity.
So
then
we
actually
did
find
a
model
that
I
think
could
work
for
Boston
from
Ohio
and
New.
D
York
City
as
well
has
another
one
and
we're
looking
into
that
to
see
where,
if
we
could
pilot
something,
hopefully
in
Roxbury,
so
I
look
forward
to
those
conversations.
I
think
that
when
I
heard
you
say
to
partner
with
opportunities
of
higher
risk,
high
risk
to
Market,
I,
I,
guess
high-risk
properties
that
are
are
at
high
risk
to
to
to
to
to
open
market
I.
Guess
I'm
wondering.
Are
we
implementing
programs
to
also
support
landlords
that
want
to
keep
their
property?
D
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
hear
anything
about
that
today.
I
thought
I
must
have
missed
that
part
and
then
protecting
and
then
I
heard
a
lot
about
protecting
the
people
that
are
currently
in
the
units.
So
I
want
to
understand.
Have
we
protected
everyone
or
sometimes
do
we
miss
some
opportunities
like
are
people?
Are
some
people
being
displaced
in
this
process
that
happens
right
in
the
power
and
when
so
I
would
say
our
projects.
L
K
Our
it's
our
that's.
Our
number
one
goal
is
to
keep
people
in
the
house.
That's
why
we
do
it.
I
I,
want
to
add
to
there's
a
I
said
this
earlier
in
my
testimony,
but
to
be
able
to
keep
very
low
and
sometimes
extremely
low
income
or
no
income
residents
in
the
building.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
various
programs
are
aligned.
D
H
D
H
No
I'm
happy
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
it,
so
there
have
been
90.7
million
dollars
awarded
to
the
program
to
date
and
and
I
I
do
have
in
front
of
me.
It's
not
in
front
of
you,
although
we
we
can
share
it,
a
history
of
where
those
funds
have
come
from
and
I
think
that
that's
important,
because
right
now
we
are
in,
we
are
in
good
shape.
We've
committed
65.4
million
dollars
and
and
there's
a
there's,
25.3
million
sort
of
in
the
in
the
program
we
have
12
million
dollars
in
requests.
H
We
are,
we
are
hopeful
that
we'll
be
able
to
all
not
only
will
be
well.
Hopefully
we
will
be
able
to
fund
them,
but
we're
hopeful
all
those
transactions
will
go
through,
but
but
just
so
that
you
know
historically,
the
program
has
been
funded
primarily
through
sort
of
a
lot
of
special
program.
So,
for
example,
we
were
very
lucky
three
years
in
a
row
that
the
community
preservation
act,
chipped
in
and
was
really
took
a
leadership
role
in
in
supporting
the
project.
After
the
initial
allocation
from
IDP
funds
was
starting
to
run
down.
H
We
have
about
half
of
that
committed
I
I
do
just
want
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
in
the
beginning,
which
is
that
this
program,
absolutely
you
know,
needs
a
constant
funding,
stream
and
and
and
we're
eager
to
have
some
conversations
about
things
that
have
been
brought
up
today
about
other
things
that
we
could
Fund
in
the
projects
and
also
we
need
a
partner
like
we
need.
We
need
the
state
to
be
participating
in
a
way
that
really
bolsters
this.
D
H
K
I
also
think
the
CLT
fund
that
we've
talked
about
is
an
additional
tool.
It's
not
the
same
because
it's
a
it's,
not
a
soft
loan.
Aop
is
a
soft
loan,
so
it
really
helps
us
without
being
over
leveraged,
whereas
The
Loan
Fund
is
a
loan.
So
it's
a
different
tool.
It's
not
the
same.
So
that's
the
important
thing
to
think
about
when
we
think
about
these
different
products,
or
we
talk
about
a
rehab
loan.
K
D
J
I
have
no,
we
don't
have
all
the
money,
we
need
we're
saying
we
need
more
money,
oh
yeah,
but
it's
not
that
you
know
it
isn't.
It
hasn't
so
much
been
a
problem
that
aops
like
unwilling
to
work
with
us
or
unwilling
to
give
us
money.
It's
just
that
there's
you
know,
there's
just
not
enough
money
and
you
know,
especially
for
Chinatown.
Our
properties
are
so
expensive
that.
J
You
know,
do
our
own
fundraising
and
really,
you
know,
make
that
project
possible
and
we
have
found
you
know
the
aop
willing
to
work
with
us,
but
we
think
there
needs
to
be
more
money
in
the
pot
and
that
and
when
there's
more
money
in
the
pot,
then
the
aop
program
also
needs
to.
You
know,
be
flexible
and
raise
the
the
amount
of
money
per
unit
as
as
much
as
as
possible.
D
J
You
yeah
and
you
know,
and
because
we
are
trying
to
create
this
state
fund,
it
would
be
really
great
for
the
city
councilors
to
come
out
and
support.
You
know
the
acquisition
opportunity
I
mean
not
the
state
small
properties
acquisition
fund
that
we're
asking
for
that.
That's
going
to
be
part
of
the
state
budget
process.
You
know
coming
up.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilor
Anderson,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
my
final
round
of
questions
I'm
just
trying
to
locate
my
timer
here.
So
I
can
time
myself,
because
I
have
a
string
of
a
long
string
of
thought
before
my
question
and
and
some
context
to
give
particularly
about
the
community
of
the
interest.
So
before
I
became
an
elected
official
I
was
the
director
of
radical
philanthropy
at
a
foundation
called
resist
and
resistance
has
been
around
for
50
years.
Massive
9000
network
of
donors
all
across
the
country.
A
Part
of
my
role
as
a
director
of
radical
philanthropy
meant
that
I
was
also
the
development
officer
and
was
tasked
with
raising
our
budget
from
those
9
000
people,
but
I
also
ran
our
estate
planning
program
and
our
major
gift
program
through
running
that
program.
The
Grassroots
infrastructure
trust,
which
is
a
infrastructure
trust
here
in
Boston,
owned
a
home
in
Cambridge
and
gifted
the
home
to
resist
as
a
donation.
A
Resist
also
does
not
Manage
Property
and
we
were
really
excited
about
receiving
the
home,
because
that
meant
that
we
couldn't
make
it
affordable
and
keep
it
at
below
market
rate.
Rent
and
we
could
make
sure
that
you
know
black
and
brown,
people
were
able
to
stay
living
this
apartment
and
we
were
gonna.
We
were
excited
about
putting
it
in
a
community
land
trust,
but
there
was
not
a
community
land
trust
that
covered
that
area,
because
it
was
in
Cambridge,
and
so
we
ultimately
had
to
figure
out,
because
we
can't
we
we're
like.
A
We
can't
manage
it.
We
are
happy
to
receive
it,
and
this
is
an
incredible
model
to
recreate,
and
so,
when
you
said,
will
their
properties
and
when
we
talked
about
seniors,
I
was
like
yes,
that
that's
kind
of
where
my
hope
is
to
get
to
in
this
conversation
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
you
Dylan
about
how
to
get
creative,
because
in
my
district,
specifically,
what
we're
seeing
is
that
people
are
buying
the
triple
Deckers
and
condolizing
them,
and
that
is
actually
how
we're
losing
our
housing,
particularly
in
in
JP.
A
Now
that
was
easy
for
us
because
we're
a
democratically
run
organization
and
our
posture
is
always
towards
Democratic
governance,
and
so
we
went
to
the
tenants-
and
we
said:
hey-
we
want
to
do
x,
y
and
z.
Are
you
willing,
right
with
values
like
we
will
facilitate
your
process
to
create
values
and
processes
for
you
as
tenants
inside
of
this
building,
and
that
was
that
was
part
of
the
work
that
I
did
I
facilitated
that
process
with
them
and
we
will
put
them.
There
was
no
profit.
A
So
all
of
the
money
that
came
in
from
the
rents
was
redistributed
back
to
grantees
and
then
the
rest
of
it
was
kept
for
all
of
the
maintenance
of
the
home,
and
so
these
tenants
self-managed
the
property
and
had
a
pot
of
money
from
resist
for
any
things,
and
we
created
a
process
by
which
they
would
make
requests
hey.
We
need
to
fix
the
door.
A
This
is
leaking
X,
Y
and
Z,
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so
I
say
all
that
to
say
that
there
is
an
opportunity
outside
of
aop
to
to,
because
this
is
kind
of
like
the
inside
outside
game
right,
Community,
Land,
Trust
have
this
model.
There
is
an
opportunity
to,
for
this
other
model
to
benefit
from
one
increased
funding
in
aop
raising.
For
me,
I
would
like
to
double
the
per
unit
subsidy.
A
That's
what
was
my
goal
when
I
came
into
office,
and
so
my
hope
is
that
we
can
get
enough
financing
into
the
project
to
get
that
done,
but
also
that
a
lot.
You
know
when
I
grew
up
in
JP.
All
of
those
triple
deckers
were
occupied
by
black
and
brown
people
when
I
walked
from
the
curly
back
to
Egleston
Square
all
of
those
homes.
A
If
someone
gives
this
home
and
says
that
it
is
for
the
purpose
of
maintaining
it,
affordable
below
market
rate
and
so
on,
and
so
forth,
that
families
can
come
back
to
the
neighborhood
in
the
future,
and
we
cannot
just
stop
displacement
but
restore
the
communities
that
have
been
gentrified.
So
that
was
my
long
kind
of
statement
and
context
for
really
trying
to
gauge
DS
and
I.
You
know
you
were
the
one
that
talked
about
willing.
A
I
Yeah,
so
each
so
we
Boston
I,
think
all
of
our
clts
have
had
individuals
come
to
us
and
say
we'd
like
to
we'd,
like
our
land,
our
house
and
land,
on
the
CLT,
either
now
or
at
the
time
of
my
passing
and
in
every
case
it's
the
individual
CLT
working
with
that
owner
to
try
to
figure
out
okay.
Well,
how
do
we
do
that?
And
what
does
it
look
like
and
it's
it
turns
out
that
it's
complicated
and
it
ends
up
being
complicated
for
different
reasons.
I
So
and
Meredith
can
I
mean
you
all
can
speak
to
this.
Sometimes
there's
like
an
issue
around
Mass
health
liens
like
if
you,
if,
if
your
home
is
transferred
to
a
CLT
at
a
certain
date,
and
then
you
need
to
get
on
Mass
health
or
perhaps
you
you
die,
I'm,
not
actually
sure
what
the
issue
is.
But
there's
there's
an
issue
around
like
transferring
your
personal
assets
at
a
certain
point
and
eligibility
around
Mass
health.
So
that's
one
thing:
there
are
questions
of
like
yeah.
I
I
Do
you
want
to
just
pass
the
land
to
the
CLT
so
in
every
case,
they're
just
different
particulars,
and
we
we
are
we've
gotten
some
funding
partially
through
the
city
through
this
two
million
dollar
allocation
and
then
through,
like
another
Grant
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
Can
we
hire
somebody
to
like
to
project
manage
this
like
to
to
move
a
few
transactions
forward,
to
learn
from
them
to
document
it,
to
do
the
research
to
execute
the
transactions
and
meanwhile
be
working
with
the
city?
I
Can
we
develop
a
program,
so
we
really
are
like
looking
at
okay,
we
just
need
more
capacity
to
figure
this
out
and
figure.
It
out
includes
doing
some
of
the
transactions
we're
also
without
getting
too
Nitty.
Gritty
I'll
pass
it
over
to
you,
but
we're
also
having
a
hard.
It's
just
like
hiring.
We're
like
this
is
a
real
like.
What
are
the
skill
sets
we
need?
Who
do
we
find?
How
do
we
like
so
we're
we're
kind
of
yeah?
I
This
is
very
up
for
us
right
now,
and
this
is
actually
I'm
so
glad
we're
talking
about
it.
To
the
extent
that
we
are
in
this
space,
because
I
think
one
very
clear
next
step
is
like.
Can
we
you
know,
can
we
can
we
talk
about
what
you
all
are
thinking
at
the
city
level?
I
know,
we've
done
it
before
this
isn't
new,
see
where
we
are
right
now
and
think
about
how
we
can
collaborate
but
I'll,
just
Trail
off
and
let
you.
K
Say
we've
had
we've
been
approached
by
four
people:
four
couples
to
transfer
their
land
upon
death-
three
of
them
have
already
put
put
us
into
their
will,
so
it
is
moving
and
we
do
need
more
support
to
think
about
all
these
things.
You
have
to
what's
the
building
like
who's,
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
management
until
death
or
all
those
questions
are
important
for
us
to
understand.
We've
also
talked
a
lot
about
aging
in
place.
K
A
A
Thank
you
for
all
of
all
of
the
work
that
you're
doing
I'm
excited
about
of
the
work
that
the
sponsors
are
going
to
be
doing
to
move
forward
in
the
budget
and
also
programmatically
I.
Think
that
we
talk
about
the
pathway
to
home
ownership,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
Community,
Land
Trust,
and
when
it
comes
to
the
acquisition
opportunity
program,
home
ownership
is
increasingly
unaffordable
and
it's
not
just
increasingly
unaffordable
for
people
who
are
Working,
Class
People,
it's
increasingly
unaffordable
for
all
folks
and
what's
happening.
A
Is
that
that's
squeezing
the
rental
market,
because
people
who
would
typically
be
leaving
their
rental
units
to
purchase
homes
are
staying
for
longer
as
well
stabilizing
renters
putting
money
back
into
people's
pockets,
making
sure
that
people
are
not
rent
burden,
prepares
them
for
home
ownership.
Right
like
it
is
a
clear
path
like
stabilizing
our
communities
as
a
clear
path
to
moving
to
home
ownership,
and
so
Community
Land
Trust
the
acquisition
opportunity
program.
A
All
of
that
is
really
helping
us
kind
of
like
move
the
needle
in
all
these
places,
and
so
I'm
just
really
grateful
and
really
really
interested
in
continuing
to
grow
that
support.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
I
am
going
to
give
the
floor
to
councilor
Legion
for
any
closing
statements.
Council
Anderson.
Let
me
know
that
she
has
to
leave
for
some
something
else,
and
then
we
will
move
on
to
a
public
testimony.
I.
B
The
acquisition
opportunity
program
really
is
sitting
standing
in
the
gap
between
tenants,
the
black
and
brown
folks
who
live
here
who
are
being
pushed
out
and
the
speculative
Market
where
folks
are
coming
in
with
cash
offers.
So
if
the
goal
is
how
do
we
get
more
money
in
aop,
let's
figure
out
what
that
Cliff
point
is
and
fund
it
all
the
way
up
to
that.
B
That
is
my
goal,
because
I
think
it
is
the
most
important
thing
that
we
can
do
to
preserve
people
and
and
they're
ability
to
stay
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
I.
Think
Eric's.
Testimony
was
a
great
example
of
that
and
I.
Thank
you
Lydia
for
really
merging
how
this
can
really
that
there
doesn't
have
to
be
tension
between
this
idea
of
Are
We
supporting
tenants
or
the
idea
of
renters.
Are
we
supporting
supporting
homeowners
right?
There's,
there's
a
lot
of
Harmony
there.
B
I
I,
I
I,
know
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
talk
about
this
as
account
as
the
council.
I
know
that
there
are
folks
who
my
fellow
colleagues,
who
are
very
big
supporters
of
aop,
who
weren't
here
today
and
I,
think
they're
really
great
models
as
Tanya.
You
talked
about
in
East
Boston.
That
really
are
about
democratizing
what
it
looks
like
to
really
Steward
this
process
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
work,
I
thank
you
mini
Lydia,
Meredith,
Eric,
Cortina
and
Jessica,
and
the
work
of
this
Administration.
B
It
is
incredible
that
Boston
is
a
leader
in
this
space
right
because,
as
my
team
and
I,
we
were
doing
research
we're
looking
okay,
San
Francisco
has
a
bit
of
a
program
Oakland,
but
we
we
didn't
find
anything
as
robust
as
what
we
have
here
so
kudos
to
the
city
and
to
the
administrations
that
have
really
leaned
in
here
and
dedicated
our
resources
and
time
to
really
building
this
out
and
I
hope.
You
know
and
can
see,
that
this
is
really.
We
really
hope
this
to
be
a
really
robust
partnership
where
the
administration
agrees.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
Council
Legion,
thank
you
for
our
panelists.
We
are
now
going
to
be
moving
on
to
public
testimony
again,
if
you're
with
us
in
the
chamber,
please
sign
up
at
the
cheat
near
the
entrance
and
for
all
testimony.
Please
state
your
name
and
neighborhood
or
affiliation,
and
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes.
We
don't
have
any
public
testimony,
people
who
testify.
Oh,
where
was
this
okay?
Thank
you.
A
O
State
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
two
minutes
Catherine.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Catherine
Desmond
I'm
here
as
the
Director
of
a
newly
formed
musicians,
workspace,
AG,
advocacy,
non-profit
known
as
son
Museum
Boston
here
is
a
representative
of
and
as
one
of
over
300
rent-paying
Boston
musician,
tenants
and
dozens
of
Boston
small
businesses
who
were
businesses
and
workspaces
who
are
displaced
by
development.
This
past
year,
I'm
also
the
owner
of
a
38
year,
long
Boston,
woman
and
LBGTQ
owned
and
run
small
business.
O
My
business
RSI,
also
known
as
the
sound
Museum,
was
founded,
listed
and
documented
as
a
vital
cultural
asset
and
an
anchor
institution
of
the
Boston
music
Community
by
the
mayor's
office
of
arts
and
culture,
and
its
continuance
protection
and
sustainability
was
documented
as
to
be
included
in
any
negation
in
any
negotiations
with
a
city
that
involved
Redevelopment
of
the
location
we
were
renting.
It
was
supposed
to
be
part
of
the
mitigation
that
our
business
and
our
tenants
and
their
small
businesses
were
provided
for
for
relocation.
O
Any
temporary
space
necessary
during
relocation
and
the
continued
sustainability
of
our
anchor
institution
and
38
year
old,
Boston,
small
business.
A
letter
was
drafted
from
councilor
Braden's
office
that
set
our
business
and
our
tenants
and
their
businesses
were
supposed
to
be
part
of
the
negotiations
to
create
solutions
for
affordable
musician
practice
and
workspace.
O
But
we
are
excluded
from
any
meetings
and
any
negotiations
for
six
months,
while
a
third
party
private
organization
owned
by
a
city
hall,
employee,
negotiated
on
behalf
of
her
private
business
with
the
city
offices
and
other
other
parties
involved
and
negotiated
the
complete
opposite
of
what
was
required
and
requested
for
our
business,
particularly
our
relocation
and
rebuilding
our
temporary
space
during
relocation
and
the
sustainability
of
our
business.
During
these
negotiations
there
were
supposedly
there
was
supposed
to
be
primary
addresses.
O
So
now
my
business
belongs
to
the
city
of
Boston
and
is
being
run
by
the
boyfriend
of
Cara
Elliott
Ortega
I
find
this
displacement
in
this
conflict
of
interest
is
a
huge
ethics
violation
and
something
I
can't
be
silent
about
and
need
to
bring
to
your
attention.
I've
tried
to
bring
this
to
the
multiple
offices
attentions
by
writing
and
calling
multiple
times
and
have
received
no
response.
O
So
I'm,
appealing
to
all
of
you
publicly
to
say
that
as
a
Boston
native
and
someone
who
has
devoted
her
entire
life
to
a
boston-based
small
family
business,
I
find
this
abhorrent
disgusting
and
the
city
allowed.
This
third
party
private
company
that
was
not
associated
with
my
tenants,
is
not
associated
with
the
Boston
music
community
and
was
able
to
negotiate
my
business
away
from
me
and
into
the
hands
of
the
romantic
interest
of
a
chief
officer
of
the
mayor's
offices.
O
I
should
also
add
that
I
have
shared
documents
from
over
300
of
my
fellow
tenants
and
clients,
as
well
as
there
are
copies
of
dozens
of
letters
written
to
the
city
stating
their
desire
to
support
this
anger,
Institution
to
the
mayor's
office
and
two
other
offices
that
we,
as
a
community
provider,
needed
to
be
sustained.
They
wanted
to
say,
stay
sound,
Museum
tenants.
They
wanted
to
support
the
sound
Museum
staying
in
business
and
they
also
said
they
would
go
wherever
the
sound
Museum
was
relocated
in
the
city
of
Boston.
O
Because
of
this
displacement
due
to
the
building
they
all
rented
was
sold
as
a
woman,
I
just
want
to
say
that
all
the
parties
involved
were
also
women
and
I
find
it
really
really
heartbreaking.
That
I
was
basically
put
out
of
business
by
a
bunch
of
other
women,
Madeleine
Albright
said
it
best
when
she
said
when
women
do
not
support
other
women,
there's
a
special
place
in
hell
for
them.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.