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Docket #1040 - Hearing regarding affordable housing units and improving access to those units in the City of Boston
A
Xabi
George,
who
is
the
who
is
the
original
filer
for
this
hearing,
and
also
a
counselor
ed
Flynn
I,
want
to
remind
you
at
this
point
that
this
is
a
public
hearing
and
is
being
recorded
and
will
be
rebroadcast
on
Comcast,
8r,
c
n8
to
Verizon,
1964
and
also
online.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices.
We
will
also
take
public
testimony
and
would
appreciate
it
if
you
would
sign
in
and
check
off
the
box
to
testify
that
sign-in
sheet
is
over
in
the
corner
over
there.
A
Please
state
your
name
and
affiliation
in
residence
when
you
sign
in,
and
also
limit
your
comments
to
a
few
minutes
to
ensure
that
all
comments
and
concerns
can
be
heard.
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
1,
0,
4,
0
order
for
hearing
regarding
vacant,
affordable
housing
units
and
improving
access
to
those
units
in
the
city
of
Boston.
We
have
several
expected
speakers.
I'll
just
have
just
note.
Generally.
A
We
have
three
panels
right
now,
one
representing
the
city
of
Boston,
who
will
walk
us
through
the
current
processes
and
what's
going
on
with
our
vacant
units,
you
will
also
then
have
an
advocates
panel
and
then
finally,
we'll
have
a
panel
with
some
developers
who
are
currently
in
the
system
who
are
building
and
working
and
trying
to
make
those
units
available
so
without
further
adue.
Unless
any
of
my
colleagues
have
an
opening
statement.
B
Thank
you,
chairman
Edwards,
for
leading
us
in
today's
hearing
and
thank
you
to
our
panelists,
who
will
before
be
before
us
throughout
this
afternoon.
Last
year
we
held
a
hearing
working
with
the
with
D
and
E
the
BPD
a,
and
do
it
to
better
understand
and
create
a
better
access
to
our
affordable
housing.
B
We
know
that
we
have
a
number
of
partners
in
this
work
that
help
us
as
a
city
not
only
create
generally
create
housing
opportunities
for
our
residents,
but
very
specifically,
to
create
some
affordable
opportunities
for
our
residents.
Both
rental
in
ownership,
in
creating
a
more
accessible
process
and
creating
a
more
streamlined
process
is
very
important
to
me
personally
and
I
think
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
from
the
panels
that
will
be
with
us
today.
B
I
also
look
forward
to
hearing
from
the
public
testimony
that
will
happen
at
the
end
of
today's
hearing
and
in
advance.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
attention,
both
in
person
and
if
you're,
watching
at
home,
and
thank
you
to
councillor
Edwards
for
leading
today's
discussion.
Thank
you
and.
A
Before
you
start
I'm
sorry
I
have
a
letter
from
councillor
Yana
Presley
that
she
asked
me
to
read
into
the
record
dear,
madam
chairwoman.
A
regret
that,
due
to
a
long-standing
scheduling,
commitment,
I
will
not
be
able
to
attend
today's
Housing
and
Community
Development
hearing
regarding
vacant,
affordable
housing
units
and
improving
access
to
those
units
in
the
city
of
Boston.
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
and
author
of
this
order
for
elevating
this
critical
conversation.
A
As
our
communities
continue
to
be
impacted
by
the
city's
development
boom,
we
must
ensure
that
the
new
growth
and
development
of
our
city
is
accessible
and
affordable
for
everyone.
That
is
why
we
need
to
examine
and
improve
we're
needed
the
process
to
access,
affordable
housing
units.
As
noted,
our
residents
are
being
asked
to
pay
increasingly
more
of
their
disposable
income
for
housing
costs,
and
we
need
to
be
intentional
in
exploring
all
solutions
to
our
housing
crisis.
A
I
want
to
thank
the
wash
administration,
the
Office
of
Fair
Housing
and
the
Boston
Planning
and
Development
Agency
for
their
work.
I
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
and
working
with
councilor,
asabi
George
and
councillor
Edwards,
and
taking
the
next
step
towards
accomplishing
this
goal.
I
will
have
staff
present
at
the
hearing
and
I
look
forward
to
reviewing
the
tape
all
right.
C
Nearly
2,900
new
units
of
affordable
housing
have
been
created
in
a
hundred
and
sixty
two
projects.
Some
of
these
projects,
especially
if
their
market
rate
with
set-aside,
affordable
set
asides,
may
have
only
one
or
two
or
three
or
four
units
in
them,
but
regardless
of
the
size,
all
of
these
projects
need
to
be
reviewed
and
monitored
by
the
city
to
ensure
the
process
of
filling.
These
units
is
fair
and
in
compliance
with
all
federal
state
and
municipal
requirements.
C
C
In
response,
the
mayor
requite
requested
that
D
and
D
in
the
Office
of
Fair,
Housing
and
equity,
begin
discussions
to
transfer
the
affirmative,
fair
housing,
marketing
program
to
D
and
D
on
a
pilot
basis,
because
we
had
the
infrastructure,
the
staff
capacity,
the
expertise
and
affordable
housing
and
the
relationships
with
developers
and
marketing
agents
and
that
transfer
took
place
on
July.
1St
of
this
year
since
then,
D
and
D,
working
with
all
of
our
partners,
have
implemented
a
number
of
measures
to
work
through
the
backlog
and
streamline
the
affirmative
marketing
process.
C
If
I
could
just
outline
those
briefly
for
you,
we
have
temporarily
assigned
to
reassigned
staff
at
D
and
D
to
help
with
reviewing
the
backlog
of
affirmative
marketing
plans.
We
currently
have
anywhere
between
four
and
five
staff
full-time
working
on
the
on
the
backlog.
We
have
enhanced
our
database
to
track
the
status
of
all
affordable
housing
projects
by
their
stage
in
the
marketing
process
and
expected
construction
completion,
dates
to
prioritize
the
work
and
ensure
timely
reviews.
So
we've
really
looked
at
which
projects
are
going
to
have
occupiable
units
and
prioritize
those
for
review.
C
We
are
conducting
twice
weekly
team
meetings
with
D
and
D
and
B
PDA
staff
to
review
progress
and
priorities.
Those
meetings
have
happened
without
cancellation
and
we
take
them
very
seriously
and
we've
enlisted
our
innovation
technology
team
to
begin
identifying
opportunities
to
improve
systems
and
processes
and
speed
up
the
review
of
marketing
plans
and
materials.
So
we
really
have
enlisted
their
help
to
to
make
sure
that
we
have
setting
up
systems
to
track
our
progress.
This
effort
has
yielded
results
in
just
the
past
four
weeks.
C
We
have
approved
18
marketing
plans,
15
advertising
strategies
and
three
lottery
results
and
the
lotteries
are
a
significant
amount
of
work
because,
as
you're
aware,
thousands
of
people
are
applying
for
these
opportunities.
As
of
today,
we
have
over.
We
have
marketing
plans
under
review
for
an
additional
23
projects.
Only
one
of
those
23
have
a
certificate
of
occupancy
in
place,
meaning
all
the
other
ones
are
still
in
construction.
So
we
have
time
to
complete
our
work.
Most
of
these
projects
are
still
in
construction
and
many
months
away
from
being
complete.
C
We
are
actively
reviewing
all
pending
marketing
plans
and
expect
to
have
them
approved
in
the
coming
weeks.
So
in
total,
only
8
projects
with
103
vacant
units
and
I
just
got
the
data
that
you
had
sought:
counselor
of
103,
90
or
rentals
and
13
or
condominium
units.
So,
in
total,
only
8
projects
with
103
vacant
units
are
ready
for
occupancy,
but
are
still
going
through
the
affirmative
marketing
process,
meaning
they
have
not
yet
held
a
lottery.
C
C
So
we
are,
we
are
making
very,
very
significant
progress,
but
we
know
that
there's
more
work
to
do
and
as
the
purpose
of
this
hearing
is
to
determine
strategies
for
streamlining
the
process
to
apply
for
affordable
housing
and
to
create
a
more
rapid
and
efficient
process
for
occupying
affordable
housing
units.
Let
me
update
you
on
some
of
the
strategies
the
city
has
been
working
on
so
far.
We
have
standardized
documents
and
created
templates
and
checklists
to
facilitate
the
creation
and
review
of
marketing
plans
and
outreach
material.
C
We
have
created
lottery
presentations
that
explain
the
process
and
provide
estimated
timelines
and
best
practices
to
improve
the
applicants.
Experience
there's
nothing
worse.
Well,
if
you're
an
applicant
and
you're
not
hearing
back
from
people
or
you
don't
understand
the
timeline
or
what
to
expect,
we
have
created
online
applications
for
all
projects
to
make
applying
for
affordable
housing
easier,
and
we
have
dramatically
enhanced
the
Metro
list
program
which
provides
information
on
affordable
housing
opportunities
and
resources
by
creating
the
Metro
West
web
site.
C
We
also
increase
the
newsletter
frequency
from
monthly
to
weekly,
with
the
affordable
housing
listings,
as
well
as
housing,
search
and
anti
displacement
resources.
Since
we've
made
these
enhancements
subscriptions
to
the
metro
list,
newsletter
have
more
than
doubled
from
6,000
when
we
started
to
more
attune
to
now
more
than
13,000.
C
19
budget,
thanks
to
the
council,
includes
a
270,000
investment
for
further
enhancements,
such
as
building
a
simpler
electronic
method
for
property
managers
to
submit
their
listings,
enhancing
search
and
navigation
tools
on
the
website,
making
just
it
easier
for
the
for
the
residents
of
Boston
to
find
out
about
opportunities
and
connecting
better
to
the
interagency
effort
to
create
a
universal
application
for
affordable
housing
and
I
know
councillor
that
you
have
been
very
interested
in
in
having
this
work
completed
with
that.
I
will
end,
but
I
just
want
to
stress
again
that
we
did
have
a
backlog.
C
The
mayor
has
given
us
a
very
strict
directive
that
he
wanted
it
fixed
we've
been
putting
a
lot
of
staff
on
it,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
been
a
learning
process
for
those
that
D&D
and
the
BPD
a,
and
we
truly
are
being
thoughtful
about
how
we
can
improve
the
process
going
forward.
I'm
going
to
conclude
there
and
I
think
all
of
us
are
here
now
that's
a
summary
that
we
all
put
together.
So
we
are
here
now
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
thank.
A
A
A
A
C
A
C
We
are
prioritizing
we're
watching
we're
I,
think
the
probably
the
best
move
we
made
was
trying
to
figure
out
or
figuring
out
when
the
units
were
occupying
and
then
prioritizing
those
projects
and
that's
how
we
have
have
organized
all
of
our
work,
so
anything
that
had
a
certificate
of
occupancy
or
based
on
where
they
were
in
the
construction
process.
We
thought
was
gonna
have
an
occupant
of
occupancy.
A
Then
my
last
question
is:
when
you
are
looking
at
how
you
are
assigning
units
in
the
lottery
system.
It
could
have
been
at
one
hearing,
someone
had
mentioned,
put
possibly
D
and
E,
considering
displacement
and
or
prioritizing
folks
who
are
actually
in
the
neighborhood
who
you
know
who
are
struggling
to
stay
in
the
neighborhood
and
how?
If
there's
any
room
for
that
in
that
process,
I,
don't
not
to
complicate
not
not
to
complicate
this
any
further,
but
that's
one
of
the
frustrations,
I
hear
I'm.
A
C
I
can
I
can
talk
about
that
and
I
can
give
you
more
information
at
some
point
in
the
future.
So
we
did
get
approval
from
state
and
HUD
to
provide
some
displacement
preference
for
if
a
neighborhood
had
a
certain
composition-
and
it
was
it
was-
it
was
racially
diverse
enough
and
Bob
Garrett's
up
here.
C
If
you
have,
if
you
really
want
to
drill
down
on
this,
we
we
have
since
then
gone
to
the
state,
because
the
state
funds
a
lot
of
our
projects
and
requested
that
of
the
publicly
funded,
affordable
housing
projects
that
we
set
aside.
One
third
of
the
units
so
that
we
can
prioritize
those
folks
not
in
any,
not
not
in
a
particular
neighborhood,
because
then
it
becomes
very
complicated
but
but
households
that
can
show
us
Boston
households
that
can
show
us
that
they
are
rent
burdened.
C
So,
if
you're
of
the
right
income
for
the
unit
and
you're
paying
more
than
50
percent
of
your
income
towards
rent,
we
want
to
be
able
to
say
to
that
that
household
you
have
priority
for
one
third
of
the
new
units
and
that
development
affordable
units
that
proposals
been
at
the
state
they're
reviewing
it.
They've
asked
for
a
lot
of
additional
information,
we're
providing
it
it's
going
back
and
forth
for
too
long,
but
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
worthwhile
policy
that
we
need
to
pursue.
B
Thank
you
do
we
know,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know,
and
I
know
we
want
to
celebrate
these
very
recent
successes,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
understand
where
we
have
come
from,
so
that
we're
not
repeating
any
of
those
mistakes
down
the
road.
So
in
one
month
time
we've
been
able
to
identify
that
there
are
103.
We've
made
our
accomplishments,
the
18
to
15
the
three,
the
23.
What
was
the
number
prior
to
your
shop?
Taking
do
we
know
how
many
occupiable
units
were
available
at
that
moment.
D
Yeah
I
think,
just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
the
103,
you
knock,
you
payable
units
I,
don't
think
that
number
has
changed
as
we
took
it
over
when
we
took
it
over
those.
Some
of
those
projects
that
represent
103
units
were
in
earlier
stages
of
the
process
if
they
had
submitted
their
plan,
their
marketing
plan,
but
it
hadn't
been
approved
since
we've
taken
it
over.
D
E
Want
to
address
that
number.
This
is
Tim
Davis
for
the
record
from
B
PDA.
The
number
that
you
got
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
you
got
that
number,
but
that
was
based
on
37
projects
with
over
800
units
that
were
in
some
stage
of
the
review
process
at
that
time.
So
that
includes
all
those
projects
that
she
mentioned
that
are
still
in
construction,
so
that
does
represent
a
pipeline
number,
but
it
does
not
represent
the
ones
that
were
actually
already
occupying.
B
B
Vast
majority
are
occupied,
so
I
just
don't
know
if
the
math
works
out,
though,
for
the
number
of
units
that
are
in
the
pipeline
or
it
could
be
online.
So
can
someone
just
walk
me
through
the
process?
What
a
developer
goes
through
to
from
approval
with
the
important
number
of
units?
When
do
we
start
counting
them?
How
long
does
it
take
to
get
them
to
occupiable,
and
then
how
long
does
that
process
take
after
that,
I'm.
C
D
So
we
so
the
the
first
step
is
infor
when
it
comes
to
fair
marketing,
is
that
the
developer,
working
with
their
marketing
agent
will
submit
a
draft
plan,
a
marketing
plan
to
the
office
of
well,
formerly
Office,
of
Fair,
Housing
and
equity.
Now
under
under
D&D,
the
affirmative,
fair
housing
marketing
program,
we
will
review
that
plan.
That
plan
covers
the
the
types
of
units
that
are
going
to
be
available.
The
income
restrictions
we
review
that
plan.
We
compare
it
to
the
affordable
housing
agreement
with
the
BPD
a
or
the
DND.
D
We
ask
them
to
submit
their
the
advertising
and
outreach
materials
that
they'll
be
using
to
market
the
plan.
Those
typically
turned
around
you
know
very
quickly
in
a
matter
of
days
again
we're
comparing
that
against
the
plan
and
the
agreement
with
the
BPD
a
once.
Those
ads
are
approved.
There's
a
period
they
have
to
advertise
the
units
before
they
can
make
applications
available.
They
have
to
advertise
the
units
in
various
newspapers
and
there's
all
kinds
of
requirements
around
the
newspapers
and
neighborhoods
that
get
covered
in
those
in
those
ads.
D
I
think
that
period
is
to
two
weeks
and
then
there's
the
application
period.
Well,
though,
they'll
be
accepting
applications
for
the
units
that
has
to
be
done.
It
could
be
on
site
or
within
one
mile
of
the
project
we
also,
as
we
mentioned.
We
also
have
online
applications
now,
so
people
can
submit
up
some
applications.
Online
I,
don't
know
the
timeframe
for
how
long
that
period
has
to
last.
D
Once
the
application
deadline
comes,
the
the
marketing
agent
typically
will
they'll
have
a
log
of
all
the
applicants
that
were
received
they're
going
to
go
through
that
log
make
sure
it's
there's
no
duplicates
make
sure
it's
complete,
submit
that
log
to
us.
That's
the
applicant
pool
that
will
be
used
to
create
the
lot
in
to
do
the
lottery
to
assign
random
numbers
to
the
applicant
pool.
D
We
reviewed
that
pool
so
each
step
every
step
of
the
way,
we're
reviewing
every
step
of
the
way
to
make
sure
that
they're
complying
with
all
applicable
rules
and
regulations
and
that
the
process
of
being
done
being
done
fairly.
The
applicant
log
once
we've
reviewed
and
approved
the
applicant
log,
we
run
we
we
share
it
with
the
developer.
We
run
the
lottery,
which
basically
is
these
days
is
just
automated.
It's
you
know
a
random
number.
D
At
that
point,
it's
out
of
the
we
consider
you
know
for
all
intensive
purposes,
it's
out
of
the
out
of
the
fair
marketing
process,
and
then
it's
over
it's
incumbent
upon
the
the
marketing
agent
to
go
ahead
and
fill
the
units,
select,
select
the
applicants
and
then
it's
over
at
the
depending
on
whether
it's
a
BPD,
a
project,
the
BPD,
a
has
to
income,
certify
and
qualify.
The
selected
applicants
or
DND
has
to
do
that
for
our
for
our
projects,
great
yep.
D
So
again
it's
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
pretty
complicated
process,
and
but
it's
all
done
entirely
with
the
goal
of
ensuring
that
the
process
is
fair
and
we
try
to
make
it
as
efficient
as
possible
and
some
of
the
challenges
we
have
are
dealing
with
again
getting
late
submissions
from
marketing
agents
and
developers.
We
really
do
encourage
them
to
submit
early
so
that
we
have
time
to
review
it.
We
ask
them
to
give
us
ten
business
days
to
turn
anything
around.
D
Do
you
suggest
I
mean
again
we
try
to
we
get.
We
say
ten
businesses
give
us
ten
business
days
to
review
it
and
turn
it
around.
That
could
take
longer
if
we
review
it
and
we
identify
that
there
are
duplicates
or
people
that
are
being
deemed
ineligible,
and
we
don't
understand
why
they're
being
deemed
ineligible
and
we'll
go
back
to
the
marketing
agent
and
ask
them
to
explain
to
us.
Why
are
these?
You
know
why
you're
deeming
he's
ineligible?
Why
did
you
say
this
person
is
over
income?
D
B
D
C
That's
the
that's
the
new,
that's
what
we
wake
up
every
day.
Thinking
about!
If
you
know
when,
when
is
a
unit,
gonna
get
a
certificate
of
occupancy
and
are
we
back?
Are
we
giving
ourselves
enough
time
to
back
in
to
make
sure
that
they're
ready
to
be
occupied
when
the
developer
says
go?
So
that's
that's
our
the
new
prioritization
at
D
and
D.
We're
really
prioritizing
all
of
our
work
on
based
on
those
dates,
so
you
might
have
a
more
responsive,
developer.
Who's
saying
you
know
get
back
to
me.
C
F
Now,
after
that's
all
done,
then
the
process,
then
I
could
tell
you
at
the
BPD
a
they
come
in
from
the
management
companies
to
the
BT
a
we
do,
a
pre
review
to
make
sure
they
have
the
files
that
are
needed,
and
then
it
goes
to
our
processors
to
look
at.
We
sometimes
need
additional,
updated
bank
statements,
updated
pay
stubs
for
our
compliance
unit,
so
it
usually
takes
between
four
and
six
weeks
by
the
time
it
gets
through.
And
it's
just
been
the
amount
of
you
know.
F
In
April
of
2015
we
had
592
units
with
50
developments
in
April
of
2018.
We
had
13
22
with
85
developments,
so
the
incredible
amount
in
the
building
boom,
but
we
realize
it
I
also
want
to
say
that
we
implemented
at
the
BPD
a
which
a
helpline.
So
we
have
it
on
our
website
and
I
answer
about
five
to
six
calls
per
day
of
applicants
calling
in
if
they
have
any
issues.
F
F
B
B
F
F
E
These
are,
these
are
our
total
portfolio.
In
other
words,
these
are
the
number
of
units
that
are
in
the
rental
portfolio,
that'd
be
PDA
monitors
and
that
needs
substantial
increase
from
2015
to
2018.
That's
just
to
say
how
much
more
work
is
involved
with
both
the
filling
those
units
and
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
those
units
and.
B
And
so,
if
I'm
doing
my
math
here,
2
4
6,
8
2
3
4
months,
but
we're
hearing
of
cases
where
units
are
unoccupied.
Occupiable
units
are
not
filled
for
up
to
2
years,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
get
from
2
&
3
months
or
4
months.
With
this
general
description,
I
get
that
there
are
improvements,
but
how
do
we?
How
do
I
I
can't
wrap
my
head
around
2-year
delay
two
and
a
half
year
delay
in
some
cases
compared
to
a
two
and
a
half
three
month
description
here,
yeah.
C
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
the
earlier,
the
two
and
a
half
years
I.
We.
We
do
know
that,
given
the
volume
that
first
half
the
lottery
process
was
understaffed
and
now
the
appropriate
resources
are
being
are
being
put
on
it.
So
we're
we're
hoping
that,
like
I
said
anytime,
a
unit
is
occupying
that
it's
got
a
person
and
or
a
household
identified
for
that
unit.
That
is
our
goal
and
we're
very,
very
close
for
the
IDP
units
for
the
developer
units.
C
After
we've
identified
the
the
you
know,
the
the
lucky
winner,
if
you
will,
they
are
going
to
the
BPD
a
and
that's
a
couple
of
months
right
now
and
I
think
they're
working
very
hard
and
giving
that
number
down.
So
it's
a
little
hard
for
me
to
talk
about
what
was,
but
we
were.
We
were
also
hearing
the
complaints
and
we
know
the
mayor
was
personally
getting
calls.
C
G
G
There
was
a
there
was
one
case:
I
saw
they
were
advertising
a
lottery
in
downtown
Boston,
but
the
the
pamphlets
weren't
in
we're
only
in
English
in
the
contact
information
was
only
in
English.
I
was
discouraged
to
see
that
you
know
why?
Wouldn't
we
want
to
put
something
in
Spanish
I'll
put
something
in
in
Chinese,
why?
Why
would
we
just
keep
it
in
English?
So.
G
And
also
these
companies
that
do
control
the
lottery
system.
Are
they
woman
owned
they
minority
owned?
Are
they
veteran
owned
companies?
They
have
their
place
of
employment
in
in
Boston
and
they
they'll
live
there.
Companies
are
in
Roxbury
of
the
Sultanat
Chinatown
or
are
they
outside
of
the
city?
What
what
connection
do
these
companies
have
to
the
city?
You.
C
Of
them
are
Boston
based,
but
not
all
and
I
know
that
one
who
does
a
lot
of
the
work
is
is:
is
women
a
woman
owned,
but
we
can
certainly
get
that
breakdown
for
you
sometimes
developers
do
it
for
the
buy
them
on
them
on
their
own.
It
works
better
if
they
hire
someone
who
actually
knows
the
process,
but
we
can
get
a
breakdown
for
you
for
the
Maine
management
companies
in
the
marketing
agents,
where
they're
located
and
if
they're
owned
by
a
minority
or
women
yeah.
G
I'd
be
interested
in
getting
that,
sir.
You
know
that
I
was
discouraged.
It
was
one
company
that
was
headquarters
out
of
Wellesley.
That
was
doing
all
these
lotteries.
What
why
can't
we
hire
a
company
that
their
place
of
employment
is
in
in
Roxbury,
the
salton
or
Chinatown?
Why
do
we
have
to
go
so
far
out
of
the
city
to
have
a
company
that
can
do
this
work
right.
C
We
don't
hire
the
management
or
the
the
management
companies
or
the
the
foresail
come.
The
companies
are
doing
the
selling
and
renting.
That
is
the.
That
is
a
consultant
that
is
hired
by
the
developers,
but
your
point
is
very
well
taken
that
we
should
be
looking
for
diversity
in
all
of
our
development
teams.
Okay,.
G
G
H
D
So
there
so
there
are
so
that
those
are
the
occupiable
units
who
projects
that
have
certificates
of
occupancy.
There
are
62
total
projects
that
are
some
in
some
stage
of
the
process
of
the
marketing
process
and
those
62
projects.
Again
we,
as
Sheila
mentioned
in
her
opening
statement,
23
of
those
are
in
the
first
stage.
They've
just
submitted
a
marketing
plan
to
remained
or
further
along
so
they're
advertising
accepting
applications.
D
No,
no,
we
know
we
asked
them
to
add
at
least
six
months
prior
to
a
certificate
of
occupancy
that
they're
submitting
their
marketing
plans.
So
we
can
start
the
review
process
because
they
want
to
start
marketing
them
before
the
before
the
building
is
complete
right
before
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
these
this
essentially
is
our
pipeline.
D
I
would
say
for
the
next
six
to
nine
months
is
sixty
two
sixty
two
projects
that
we
have
in
our
hands-
and
you
know
I
think
like
I,
said
we're
well
now
that
it's
over
at
D&D,
we
have
better
data.
We
have
the
data
that
Office
of
Fair
Housing
doesn't
have
about
when
projects
are
getting
parameter
when
they're
getting
their
building
permit.
D
E
So
the
point
of
point
of
clarification
about
some
of
the
marketing
requirements
for
projects
of
all
the
projects
that
are
funded
by
the
department,
neighbor
development.
They
have
to
submit
their
marketing
plan.
It
has
to
be
approved
in
conjunction
with
the
closing
of
their
financing,
so
at
their
building
permit.
So
those
projects
traditionally
have
been
gotten
a
higher
priority
than
the
projects
of
private
developers,
because
that's
a
requirement
for
them.
E
Those
are
first
in
the
queue
so
for
the
privately
created
units
through
the
inclusionary
development
policy.
The
only
requirement
previously
was
that
they
had
to
have
a
marketing
plan
before
they
could
have
the
units
occupied,
which
did
not
give
a
specific
date
to
it.
They
were
off.
They
were
encouraged
to
do
it
at
least
six
months
in
advance.
H
E
H
C
H
C
You
were
selling,
if
you
were
selling
the
units
you
would
have,
we
would.
We
would
be
looking
I
would
think.
We've
been
looking
I
know
in
our
end
on
dnt
would
be
looking
for
real
estate
licenses
and
proper
certifications.
If
it's
rental,
they
don't
have
to
be,
but
we
are
Wendy
and
defunds
a
project.
We
are
looking
for
rental
and
sales
agents
that
have
got
decades
of
experience,
because
we're
dealing
with
federal
money
and
they've
got
to
get
they've
got
to
get
this
right.
H
E
H
E
C
Check
on
that
particular
neighborhood,
there
are
very,
there
are
very
few
neighborhoods
that
we
were
getting
to
this.
This
requirement
from
both
HUD
in
the
state.
There
were
very
few
neighborhoods
that
we're
meeting
their
exact
definition.
I
can
check
on
that,
for
you,
I,
don't
know
that
one
off
the
top
of
my
head.
H
E
2:33
Hancock
Street
is
not
a
DMV
project.
That's
one
reason
why
it's
not
it's!
It's
a
BPD
approved
private
project
that
is
near
the
Glovers
corner
section
of
Dorchester.
We
did
approve
that
as
having
a
neighborhood
diversity,
preservation,
preference,
which
is
the
preference
that
Sheila
was
speaking
about
earlier,
or
at
least
a
version
of
it,
and
we
were
proud
to
do
that
with
that
project.
E
That
project
has
actually
just
received
an
allocation
from
the
very
first
round
of
the
Community
Preservation
Act
funds
to
go
to
provide
even
more
income
restricted
units,
which
means
it
will
actually
be
income
restricted
not
by
our
agency
but
through
the
CPA.
So
I'm
not
sure,
if
that
we
haven't
had
discussion
yet
or
whether
or
not
that
preference
will
continue
through
that
process
or
not,
and.
H
E
H
E
H
E
H
A
Councillor
O'malley
had
to
step
out
for
a
wedding,
and
so
he
will
hopefully
come
back,
but
he
wanted
to
make
sure
that
he
was
there
for
his
constituents
in
their
time
of
need
in
celebration,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
art
we've
been
joined
by
councillor
Andre,
a
Campbell
council
president
so
skip
councillor
Malley
and
go
to
councillor
Janey.
Thank.
I
C
I
That
would
be
great
absolutely
just
following
up
on
some
of
the
the
questions
by
councillor
Baker
around
the
displacement.
You
know
everyone
that
I
know
is
rent
burden,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
can
move
forward
around
making
sure
that
there's
real
anti
displacement,
you
talk
to
you
doing
about
that
proposal
at
the
state.
What
needs
to
happen
next?
What's
a.
C
C
Sometimes,
to
get
pilots
approved
that
one-third
of
the
affordable
housing
units
that
we
fund
we
would
be
able
to
set
aside
for
income
qualified
households
that
can
demonstrate
that
they
have
a
rent
burden
of
over
fifty
percent
and
those
are
the
most
extreme
cases
and
I
think
it
makes
so
much
sense,
because
these
units
are
hard
to
build
they're
expensive
to
build.
So
we
should
be
making
sure
that
we're
a
good
matching.
You
know
we
have
good
matching
between
those
most
in
need
and
the
new
units
coming
online.
C
I
C
Most
of
our
most
the
affordable
housing
portfolio,
the
the
existing
units
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
new
ones
that
are
coming
online
and
if
I'm
not
answering
your
question,
please
um
please
let
me
know
they.
They
really
do
serve
a
range
of
affordability.
You
know
our
public
housing
units
serve
our
most.
C
Our
most
needy
are
our
lowest
income,
and
those
are
you
don't
have
to
have
any
income
at
all
are
a
lot
of
the
new
rental
units
that
are
coming
online,
are
affordable
to
households,
making
less
than
forty
or
fifty
thousand
and
lower
than
that.
Even
some.
A
lot
of
many
of
them
are
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
then
the
set-aside
units
that
the
the
B
PDA
is
the
program
that
B
PDA
is
overseeing
the
IDP
units
they're
a
slightly
higher
income.
C
So
we
really
are
trying
our
hardest
to
to
create
affordable
housing
units
that
are
affordable
to
a
spectrum.
To
you
know
many
different
types,
I
know
that
sometimes
that's
controversial,
but
we
hear
that
we're
not
building
enough
units
for
the
middle-income,
and
we
also
hear
we're
not
building
enough
units
for
the
poorest
among
us.
C
So
what
we
really
feel
like
it's
our
duty
and
our
charge
to
build
units
across
the
spectrum,
I
think
where
we
get
tripped
up,
is
we
talk
about
a
Mis
and
B
M
is
and
I
think
we
need
to
start
talking
about
income
like
what
do
you
need
to
be
making
to
access
this
unit
and
we're
trying
to
be
much
more
intentional
about
that?
Do.
I
C
I
I
C
But
if
folks,
it's
so
the
ami
BMI
it
that's
the
reason
we
use
AMI,
but
if
we
want
to,
we
can
just
reduce
the
AMI
percentage.
So
we
could
have
32%,
ami
or
35%
ami
and
achieve
I
think
what
some
of
the
affordable
housing
advocates
want.
Is
it
deeper
affordability?
It's
just
it's
a
measure.
So
if
we
want
to
get
closer
to
the
Boston
median
income,
we
could
just
use
a
lower
ami.
It.
E
E
Think
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
the
inclusionary
development
policy
and
looking
at
what
we
can
and
can't
do
in
terms
of
getting
additional
affordability
from
developers
and
whether
or
not
we
would
look
at
doing
something
that
is
a
little
more
neighborhood
based.
But
this
is
kind
of
the
long-range
planning
for
the
updates
to
the
inclusionary
development
policy.
I
I
I
E
E
Eye
and
we
do
again
I
think
we
want
to
balance
off
creating
additional
lowing
and
moderate
income
units
with
still
making
certain
that
there's
some
units
that
are
available
for
middle-income
households.
Right
now,
I
mean
you
look
at
our
rents.
How
many
units
are
you
gonna,
find
in
the
neighborhoods,
where
they're
paying
less
than
$1,400
for
a
two-bedroom,
which
is
our
two-bedroom
rent,
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
again
kind
of
units
at
all
income
ranges.
E
I
What
kind
of
considerations
do
you
look
at
in
determining
whether
it
will
be
money
that
you'll
take
the
money
and
we
can
place
it
somewhere
else
or
whether
it
should
be
on
site?
Are
you?
Are
you
taking
into
consideration
whether
or
not
an
area
has
mixed
income,
housing
already,
making
sure
that
we're
not
kind
of
segregating
folks
around
income
or
race,
I'm,
just
curious
to
what
you
consider
and
that's
my
final
question:
okay,.
E
E
When
we
look
at
making
decision
about
whether
to
let
a
development
to
a
contribution
or
off
site,
we
are
looking
at
the
financial
feasibility
of
the
project
to
see
that
if
this
option
will
help
the
project
to
go
better
and
also
96%
of
projects
do
have
units
on
site.
They
were
reviewing.
There's
some
of
them
will
do.
We
have
about
5%
they're,
doing
a
contribution
instead
of
units
on
site,
and
we
have
a
few
more
that
are
doing
some
off-site
units
and,
in
some
cases,
they're
doing
some
units
on
site
and
some
payout.
A
J
K
C
We're
working
on
those
we're
prioritizing
those
I
do
want
to
be
completely
and
I.
Peter
Sasso
mentioned
that
the
there
are
some
units
that
are
completed
that
are
now
at
the
BPD,
a
and
they're
doing,
income
certifications,
but
a
buyer
or
renter
has
been
identified
for
those
units
they're
just
now
doing
the
final
check
to
make
sure
their
income
qualified
so
you're
right.
It's
103
and.
J
I
think
I
heard
that
you
know
you
were
getting
a
lot
of
calls
and
and
I
want
to
commend
you
may
or
the
administration
for
putting
the
resources
necessary
to
get
through
that.
Just
another
point
of
clarification
does
a
developer
that
has
60
units
13
or
affordable.
That
is,
he
prevented
from
leasing
the
market
rate
before
he
gets
the
okay.
No.
C
J
To
hear
that
and
then
when
I
used
to
work
at
the
senior
center,
the
frustration
was
that
we
have
numerous
senior
housing
developments
in
our
district.
But
our
seniors
don't
necessarily
get
that
as
their
first
choice
and
I
think
that
we
changed
the
policy
from
years
ago,
where
you
would
go
to
the
back
of
a
list.
If
you
didn't
take
that
first
offering
and
it
could
be-
you
know
Hyde
Park,
let's
say:
could
you
go
through
the
the
eligibility
of?
C
C
So
we
probably
should
look
at
that
and
maybe
potentially
tighten
that
up,
but
so
that
that's
in
place,
neighbourhood
preference
becomes
because
a
fair
housing
becomes
more
complicated
and
I
know
there.
There
are
we
here
for
in
every
neighborhood
that
that
is
something
that
people
would
like.
At
the
same
time,
we
can't
violate
fair
housing,
so
we
are
trying
to
work
around
that
and
when
a
neighborhood,
as
Tim
mentioned,
is
racially
diverse
enough.
C
C
So
therefore
you
get
priority,
I
will
say
an
elderly
developments
and
I
don't
have
the
exact
percentage,
although
I've
heard
them,
and
we
could
probably
get
that
for
you
that
when
new
elderly
units
come
online,
the
vast
majority
or
applicants
are
from
then
lived
in
that
neighborhood,
their
whole
lives
or
their
adult
children
or
relatives
live
in
that
neighborhood.
It's
rare
that
elderly
people
will
just
venture
across
and
you
know
some
will,
of
course,
because
they
need
the
housing,
but
mostly
it's
for
people
that
have
a
connection
to
the
neighborhood
and.
L
Thank
You
councillor
Edwards
and
Thank
You
councillor
sabi
George,
for
sponsoring
this
hearing,
and
thank
you
guys
for
the
the
presentation.
I
apologize
for
missing
some
of
it,
but
I
did
get
a
summary
update
from
Kelsey
I'm.
Also,
thank
you
quick
question.
I
guess
this
is
more
for
the
chair.
Has
we
had
a
presentation
on
this?
Okay?
Thank
you
and
then
just
a
couple
of
follow
questions
and
I
know.
First
of
all,
I'll
start
by
saying
I
know
your
jobs
are
not
easy.
So
thank
you
just
in
terms
of
why
not.
L
This
is
going
back
to
counter
Jamie's
line
of
questioning.
Why
not
a
lower
am
I
so
right
now
it's
70%.
What
does
it
actually
mean
in
terms
of
dollars
like
income,
which
I
think
what
you
were
saying?
Chief
Dylan
people
have
they're
so
confused
when
you
say
am
I
like
what
does
that
mean
to
the
layperson,
but
what
does
that
mean?
70%.
L
And
when
you
look
at
so
I'm
putting
my
district
for
a
hat
on,
obviously
largely
Dorchester
Mattapan
people
see
that
they're,
like
I'm,
already
barred
I.
None
of
this
is
for
me,
because
it's
just
too
high,
given
the
folks
we're
talking
about
who
really
need
it
and,
of
course
some
are
city
employees.
I
was
talking
to
one
of
my
employees.
Yesterday,
our
team
members,
who
makes
a
lot
less
than
that
and
worked
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
Kant,
is
struggling
to
find
permanent
housing.
E
We're
looking
at
one
thing
we're
looking
as
balancing
the
number
of
units
we
can
get
with
the
ami
in
terms
of
who
or
we're
serving
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
inclusionary
development
policy
program
has
about
2,000
units
in
its
citywide
out
of
over
53,000
income,
restricted
units.
So
it's
only
one
portion
of
the
picture
of
affordability
in
Boston.
So
that's
why,
to
date
we
have
kept
it
as
a
fairly
middle-income,
focused
program
because
it,
the
other
programs,
don't
fund
this
income
level.
E
E
But
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me
because
I
wasn't
anticipating
this
question.
But
we
do
have
a
report
released
about
a
year
ago
that
spells
out
the
a.m.
eyes
of
the
people
who
live
in
our
units
and
we're
going
to
be
releasing
a
new
one
which
I
can
provide
to
you.
But
I
can
say
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
the
units
that
are
paying
too
or
have
substantially
less
incomes,
some
of
which
have
maybe
a
certificate
or
some
other
help.
E
E
L
L
So
are
the
IDP
units
downtown
for
the
most
part,
so
I'd
love
to
see
and
if
they're,
mostly
downtown
and
and
say
the
definition
is
70%
ami,
so
those
what
50,000
tend
to
sort
of
say
be
downtown
and
those
who
maybe
a
lesser
than
that
in
these
income,
restricted
units
or
in
Dorchester
in
Mattapan
and
I,
have
a
problem
with
that.
So
I'd
love
to
see
this
broken
apart
a
little
bit
and
of
those
53
Stiles,
an
income
restricted
units,
what's
the
demographic
that
we're
targeting
with
those
units.
L
E
We
kind
of
flying
with
the
seat
of
my
pants
on
this
yeah,
but
to
discuss
the
first
thing
about
where
the
units
are
again
the
2000.
We
had
a
report
a
year
ago
that
that
gives
you
a
map
that
maps
them
all
out
for
you
and
then
we'll
be
updating
that
soon
as
well.
That'll
just
read
update
that
map.
That's
I
can
share
with
you
very
easily
the
location.
E
They
are,
they
are
where
development
is
happening
right.
So
if
the
development
is
happening
in
a
neighborhood,
it's
there.
So
what
we
have
seen
is
that
so
I
think
about
10%
of
the
inclusion
development
policy
units
are
actually
in
the
Seaport
District
and
that's
the
largest
neighborhood
in
terms
of
where
those
units
are
there's
probably
nine
percent
in
the
remainder
of
South
Boston,
there's
about
nine
percent
in
the
South
End.
They
are
mostly
in
those
neighborhoods
where
you're
seeing
development.
E
The!
What
was
the
follow-up
question
was
overall,
the
53,000
I
believe
I
think
the
number
is
about
9,000
units
or
more
are
just
in
the
BHA
portfolio,
so
those
are
for
people
of
very
low
incomes
or
no
income
and
I
don't
have
the
the
numbers
of
the
privately
owned,
which
are
many
of
them
were
nonprofit
owned
income,
restricted
housing,
but
again
a
very
large
proportion
of
those.
E
Maybe
another
9,000
have
section
8
project-based
section
8
program,
which
means
that
those
also
serve
very
low-income
families,
and
then
we
have
the
additional
units
that
are
at
30
and
50
and
60
percent
of
area
median
income,
for
example.
Is
it
10
percent
set
aside
for
DD
projects,
they're
doing
a
10
percent
set
aside
for
families
making
less
than
30%
of
ami?
So.
L
C
30
starters
pulled
it
up
right,
so
DND
funded
projects,
private,
affordable
housing
projects
that
are
non
be
BHA
and
non
inclusionary
development.
The
the
incomes
are
mostly
the
for
the
rental
between
twenty
two
thousand
and
sixty
sixty
three
thousand.
So
we
are
trying
to
encourage
developers,
affordable
housing
developers
to
do
a
range
of
low
incomes,
because
for
a
while
there
they
were
all
doing
60%
of
ami.
It
was
a
tax
credit,
rent
right
and
so
we're
saying.
No,
let's
do
more
at
I.
C
I
know
that
we
are
working
on
a
database
that
will
show
of
those
units.
What's
the
affordability
within
each
development,
it's
just
its
massive
I
mean
you
know,
there's
nothing!
There's
like
now
fifty
four
thousand
units
in
the
city,
but
let's
see
him
where
we
are
with
that
I
know
that
amelia
was
working
on
that
project.
But
let's,
let's
get
you
what
we
have
just
so
you
can
understand
where
we're
and
what
we
have
and.
E
One
thing
to
say
also
about
the
inclusionary
development
policy
is
that,
whereas
we've
created
over
to
about
2,000
units
through
that
program
that
are
directly
created
by
the
developers,
we've
also
created
over
a
thousand
units
with
IDP
funds
and
those
are
for
low
to
moderate
income.
Households
and
those
projects
are
more
spread
out
across
the
city,
and
those
funds
are
managed
and
dispersed
through
Sheila's
office,
in
conjunction
with
other,
affordable
housing.
L
So
as
someone
who's
representing
Matapan
and
Dorchester,
who
knows
that
the
quality
of
schools
have
to
be
improved
and
they
they're
just
not
also
great
compared
to
other
neighborhoods
housing
plays
our
piece
in
this
and
who
lives
where
so
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
also
who
is
living
in
the
affordable
units.
What
that
means.
So
are
they
people
with
no
income,
section
eight
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
living
in
the
Seaport
area,
along
with
those
who
are
the
1%
of
the
nine
point?
Nine
percent?
Is
that
truly
a
mixed
income
community?
L
And
if
so,
what
does
that
mean
for
the
schools
and
other
resources
in
that
community?
Or
is
everyone
concentrated
in
units
or
areas
of
poverty,
where
it's
literally
no
income
or
zero
income
to
twenty
thousand
dollars?
And
what
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
schools
and
the
resources
in
there?
L
And
so
that's
where
that's
going
so
I
really
look
forward
to
receiving
that
information
and
I'll
just
add,
I,
think
you
know
some
folks
have
been
talking
about
at
least
in
Dorchester
or
parts
of
District
four.
They
don't
want
to
see.
Every
development
project
be
affordable,
they
want
a
true
mix
and
so
for
projects
that
come
before
them,
particularly
some
of
the
larger
projects.
A
third
be
those
four
rows
were
really
low
income,
or
even
maybe
some
folks
who
can't
get
into
BHA
still
having
an
opportunity
in
some
of
these
new
developments.
L
A
third
being
workforce
development
or
those
folks
who
live
work
for
the
city
of
Boston,
for
example,
maybe
giving
priority
to
folks
who
work
for
the
city,
firefighters,
police,
teachers
and
then
a
third
be
market
rate,
and
what
that
creates
for
a
community
I
think
is
very
different.
And
so
that
is
a
conversation
and
a
lot
of
folks
on
the
ground
are
having
they're,
not
saying.
No,
we
don't
want
affordable,
but
they
want
to
create
a
community
that
is
truly
mixed
in
many
respects,
and
so
that's
where
all
this
line
of
question
is
coming
from.
C
Think
you
know
that's
we're
hearing
it
too,
and
it's
hard
to
sort
out
all
the
comments
sometimes.
So
we
certainly
welcome
your
your
opinion
and
your
and
your
best
thinking
on
this
issue.
We
did
just
issue
for
RFPs
Dean,
Dundee
and
city
owned
land
and
Dudley,
and
it
was
a
third
a
third,
a
third.
It
was
well.
C
It
was
close
to
the
old
sin-hye
model
that
the
Southend
used
so
successfully,
and
a
lot
of
people
felt
very,
very
good
about
that
and
then
at
the
end,
people
did
not
feel
good
about
it
and
they
wanted
a
hundred
percent,
affordable,
very
low
income.
So
there's
a
range
of
opinion
out
there
and
I
think
we're
doing.
Is
you
all
are
doing
trying
to
sort
through
all
of
the
different
opinions
and
coming
up
with
compromises
and
what
we
see
is
best.
So
it's
a
complicated
conversation.
L
L
Some
have
more
layers
in
other
neighborhoods,
but
I
push
us
and
strive
to
push
us
to
get
to
what
I
call
the
unusual
suspects,
not
anyone
who
goes
to
the
meetings,
but
the
persons
who
don't
have
time
by
door,
knocking
them
and
asking
them
what
they
truly
want
and
I
think.
Sometimes
the
response
might
be
a
little
different.
But
thank
you
chief.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
Thank
you
guys
for
the
work
and.
E
Council
cambodian
wanna,
thank
you
for
your
comments
as
well.
I
think
you
hit
upon
the
issue
about
you,
know
other
schools
and
incomes
and
neighborhoods
you
hit
upon
the
issue
of
why
the
fair
housing
marketing
plans
aren't
necessary,
because
it's
the
one
way
that
we
can
assure
that
developers
are
actually
advertising
more
citywide.
A
D
One
point
to
clarify
about
that,
though,
of
the
1700
actually
over
450
are
actually
rehab
replacement
units
like
for
the
Whittier,
be
a
PHA
project,
so
we
still
have
to
approve
the
plan
because,
as
those
units
turn
over,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're,
following
for
housing
rules,
so
it's
actually.
The
number
of
new
units
is
a
little
under
1,300.
A
The
work
you've
done
with
metro
lists,
making
things
online
and
assuring
that
they're
in
more
than
one
language
and
also
the
the
work
that
I
think
is
still
happening,
which
is
getting
the
developers
to
start
to
put
this
stuff
out.
Take
initiative
versus
you
asking
but
go
ahead
and
put
your
units
on
and
make
it
an
online
application.
So
I
appreciate
and
acknowledge
that
work.
A
Other
things
that
I'd
love
for
us
to
consider.
You
had
mentioned
that
there
is
no
look
back
for
Boston
residency.
I!
Think
that
that
should
be
something
that's
changed.
Someone
should
shouldn't
be
able
to
move
in
to
the
city
of
Boston
the
day
before
the
application
is
due
and
claim
Boston
residency
to
get
in
the
lottery.
So
there's.
A
We'll
raise
that
yeah,
we
should
certainly
raise
it.
I'm
very
concerned
that
we
don't
have
a
look
back
for
that
in
this
policy.
The
other
impact
I
know
that
you
looked
at
neighborhood
diversity,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
was
seniors
and
and
families
in
general
is
that
they're
in
a
neighborhood,
because
the
networks
that
they
also
form
so
is
there
any
way
to
look
at
the
impact
on
children
if
they
had
to
move
across
the
city
as
a
not
violating
fair
housing
and
not
violating
you
know.
A
If
there's
like
East
Boston
neighborhood
health
center
serves
an
overwhelming
amount
of
immigrants,
their
network,
their
language
capability,
their
ability
to
work
with
seniors,
who
don't
speak,
English
as
a
first
language,
I
think,
is
second
to
none
in
the
state
and
so
keeping
certain
seniors
in
in
East,
Boston
I,
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
to
also
be
considered
about
when
you're
looking
at
neighborhood
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
line
of
questioning.
In
the
analysis
that
you
councilor
Campbell
noted.
We
have
segregated
neighborhoods
for
a
reason.
A
So,
yes
to
compensate
for
that,
we
don't
want
to
just
be
neighborhood
preference.
Only
because
we
could
resegregate,
I
underst,
but
there's
certain
networks
that
folks
have
that
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
still
consider
the
impact
on
them
losing
their
network
or
their
access
to
social
services
without
violating
Fair
Housing.
We.
C
Can
certainly
bring
it
up
to
our
fair
housing
professionals.
It's
these
fair
housing
conversations.
Are
there
they're
complicated,
they're,
challenging,
there's
lots
of
opinion,
there's
case
law
as
you
know
so,
but
we
would
be
glad
to
talk
with
the
state
you
and
our
own
fair
housing
professionals
about
about
that
very
issue.
I
agree
that
elder
elderly
and
newly
arrived
immigrants
really
benefit
from
the
support
networks
in
their
neighborhoods.
So
sometimes
we
have
competing
goals.
Sure.
A
True
and
then,
when
you
had
mentioned
the
private
market
and
the
impact
on
looking
at
the
IDP
percentage,
so
one
of
the
biggest
private
markets
and
developments
of
Suffolk
Downs
in
East,
Boston
and
I'm
wondering
if
what
city
influence
there
could
be
at
all
in
raising
the
affordability
from
13
percent
to
say,
20
percent
that's
to
be
built,
we're
talking
about
almost
10,000
up
to
10,000
units.
How
or
can
the
city
the
BPD
a
work
to
get
the
developer
to
a
higher
percentage?
Or
can
you
well.
F
Our
project
managers
really
work
with
the
developers
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
it.
I
mean
there
are,
you
know,
as
Tim
was
saying,
there's
feasibility
of
the
project,
the
cost
feasibility,
but
that
does
not
negate
that
we
really
try
to
work
with
them.
I
mean
it's
in
our
reputation:
okay,
to
really
help
out
our
citizens,
our
Boston
residents
for
housing.
So
we
do
work
with
them.
Sometimes
our
hands
are
tied.
That's
why
we
have
minimums
at
least
to
protect
us
from
there,
but
we
constantly
do
work
on
it.
Can.
E
On
a
case-by-case
basis,
we
have,
we
have
gotten
developers
have
agreed
to
do
more,
but
we
do
have
a
policy
for
a
reason
to
provide
some
predictability
to
the
process,
so
that
does
provide
our
minimum
I
I
know
that
you've
had
some
discussions
with
the
developer.
I
encourage
you
to
continue
to
have
those
discussions
and
we're
certainly
having
our
own
discussions
with
them.
E
But
again
we
have
the
policies
today
and
if
they
meet
that
minimum,
then
they're
at
least
meeting
that
expectation
we
are
do
certainly
want
to
see
units
on
site
there
because
we
don't
want
to,
but
we
also
want
to
help
East
Boston
as
a
whole.
So
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
visa
vie?
Maybe
any
linkage,
funds
that
come
from
there,
that
might
be
able
to
use
to
assist
housing,
affordability
for
the
rest
of
these
Boston,
something
that's
very
important
to
us.
C
Give
a
quick
overview
of
the
one
this
the
ones
that
we
fund
was
city-owned
money,
so
we
put
on
we
put
a
deed
covenant
on
the
property,
limiting
the
amount
of
appreciation
and
who
the
person
can
resell
it
to
what
income
group
they
have
to
to
meet,
and
we
tie
that
deed
to
a
mortgage.
So
when
there's
a
title
search
done
it
and
it
it
comes
to
light
it's
it's
very
hard
to
miss.
If
we
encourage
folks
that
own
an
affordable,
homeownership
unit
to
contact
us,
we
give
them
a
maximum
resale
price.
C
It's
a
very
friendly
process,
there's
equity
there,
and
then
we
say
to
them.
When
you
find
a
buyer,
come
back
and
we'll
income
cert,
take
off
the
deed
restriction,
take
off
that
mortgage
and
then
replace
it
with
into
the
new
buyer
and
allow
for
for
you
to
receive
the
equity
and
a
broker's
fee
and
a
reimbursement
for
a
broker's
fee.
It's
a
it's
a
good
process.
It
works
really
well,
there's
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
C
F
We
have
the
same
process
that
we
follow
pretty
accurately
and
we
try
to
you
know
you
know
they
come
in
for
the
maximum
resale
value,
because
in
our
in
our
units
we
require
that
anybody
who
owns
one
of
our
units
in
the
BPD
a
that
it
has
to
be
owned
or
occupy.
So
we
keep
a
really
strict
guidance
and
we've
gone
after
people
who
have
rented
their
units.
We're
really
strict.
On
that
to
respect
the
program
for
the
rentals,
we
asked
for
a
yearly.
H
So
just
who
keeps
an
eye
on
the
projects
that
don't
come
in
front
of
the
BIA
they
they'll
they'll
just
need
zoning
relief
or
whatever
12
units
11
units
like
because
I
know,
I
have
one
case
in
front
of
me.
That
was
I,
think
13
units
and
they
they
slid
under
the
radar
there.
There
wasn't
because
they
didn't,
they
didn't,
have
BR
a
it.
Wasn't
small
project
right
and
they
just
had
zoning.
So.
E
The
projects
that
are
10
to
14
units
do
not
come
in
for
small
project
review.
That's
correct.
It
has
been
the
task
of
the
planning
and
design
people
who
review
the
zoning
recommendations
to
kind
of
talk
to
to
make
sure
that
I'm
aware
of
those
projects,
so
that
we
can
then
sit
down
with
those
developers
as
well.
The
system
has
not
always
been
perfect.
Yeah.
H
E
Certainly
something
we're
trying
to
improve
and
there
wasn't
actually
someone
in
my
role
three
years
ago
and
now
that
I
am
there.
That's
one
of
the
pieces
that
I
do
work,
I
work
with
the
planning
and
the
zoning
staff.
We
make
sure
that
we
identify
those
projects
and
make
sure
that
those
projects
are
adhere,
adhere
to
the
inclusionary
development
policy.
So.
E
H
E
Varies
a
little
bit
from
program
to
program
but
for
the
inclusionary
development
policy
units.
So,
for
example,
if
you
rent
it
in
a
70%
ami
unit,
you
can
your
income
and
increase
until
you
get
up
to
110
percent
of
ami
and
then
we
would
ask
you
to
leave
so.
In
other
words,
you
can
stay
and
you're
still
paying
that
same
rent
until
you
get
to
that
income
limit.
We
find
that
that
doesn't
happen
very
much
with
you
know.
Individuals
in
our
units,
where
happens,
is
when
they
change
their
family
size.
That's
what
usually
happens.
E
So
it's
a
single
person
or
one-bedroom
they
get
married.
They
double
their
income,
then
they're,
not
income
eligible.
That's
where
we
usually
see
the
problem
happening.
It's
not
usually,
if
it's
two
people
and
they
have
a
child,
you
know
then
they're
still
fine.
You
know
it's
usually
when
there's
a
change
in
their
household
size
in
terms
of
number
of
earners
that
we
have
that
problem
and.
H
H
A
A
M
M
We
managed
a
housing
for
a
hundred,
affordable
properties
in
the
Boston
area.
We
handled
the
wait
lists.
We
also
work
with
about
two
hundred
and
fifty
for
housing
advocates,
many
of
them
in
City
Hall
departments
who
search
and
apply
for
housing,
and
what
that
means
is
we
actually
have
information
from
the
moment.
The
person
sends
her
first
application
to
the
moment,
a
landlord
turns
them
down
or
more
moves
them
in,
and
that
gives
us
some
very
interesting
reports.
M
If
you
want
to
go
to
slide
three,
you
can't
talk
about
affordable
housing
vacancies
without
understanding
the
subsidized
world
because
they
impact
at
the
moment
the
worst
actual
wait
time
in
a
two-bedroom
subsidized
property
in
Boston
is
18
years.
It's
not
just
one
person,
it's
not
a
freakish
outlier,
but
it's
not
a
large
group
in
the
affordable
housing.
The
worst
actual
wait
time
is
now
up
to
13
years.
In
anticipation
of
a
challenge,
we
can
spend
time
later,
some
other
point
documenting
why
these
numbers
are
exact.
M
As
of
yesterday,
that
18-year
wait
is
now
19
years
in
those
properties,
I'm
now
on
slide
five.
We
also
know
that
at
that
moment
there
are
at
least
in
a
two
thousand
eighteen,
two
thousand
families
who
are
full-time
employed
in
Boston,
but
who
are
homeless
or
at
serious
risk
and
in
2019.
That
number
is
up
to
about
3,300
families,
I'm
now
on
slide,
7
I'm
going
to
skip
that
and
go
to
slide
9.
This
is
the
Housing
Works
perspective
on
the
problems.
M
M
Certainly,
the
major
problem
is
a
disconnect
between
the
service
sectors
I'm
on
the
next
slide
now,
which
is
the
three
circles,
if
you
think
of
the
affordable
and
subsidized
world
as
being
applicants
and
advocates
the
people
who
manage
and
handle
the
wait,
lists
and
owned
the
buildings,
and
then
the
oversight,
people
there's
a
very
profound
disconnect
between
them.
Two
examples
that
I
just
heard
one
of
them
today.
The
lottery
process
is
better,
but
it
doesn't
take
to
account
what
happens
right
after
the
lottery.
M
M
The
second
problem
is
that
well
I'll,
just
we'll
just
go
to
the
next
slide,
which
is
here's?
Well,
here's
the
root
of
the
problem
right
here
there
are
40
different
kinds
of
subsidized
and
affordable
housing
and
the
same
family
is
going
to
be
eligible
for
most
of
it.
Now,
if
you
look
at
that
from
the
city
standpoint,
the
applicant
standpoint
and
the
landlord
standpoint
you'll
see
why
we
have
these
vacancies,
which
are
actually
underreported
in
some
ways,
but
also
a
larger
issue.
M
The
housing
is
being
built
is
not
pertinent
to
the
people
are
looking
for
it
if
I'm,
if
there
are
thousand
people
applying
to
five
of
these
different
types
of
housing,
is
that
seven
thousand
people
on
those
seven
wait
lists
or
is
that
the
same
thousand
people
applying
to
seven
places
the
city
doesn't
know?
Which
means
they
have
no
idea
what
the
demand
actually
is
and
they're
building
without
knowing
that
that
is
not
a
criticism
of
DND
I
think
they're
doing
a
heroic
job.
M
But
the
fact
is,
the
housing
battlefield
is
large
and
they're
in
another
part
of
it
and
they're
not
linked
to
people
who
are
doing
these
other
parts.
Beep
EDA
is
another
issue.
The
bulk
of
the
housing
that
they're
building
this
70%
ami
is
actually
one
of
the
major
contributors
to
displacement
and
being
seen
now,
seven
or
eight
community
open
hearings
on
buildings.
They
consistently
override
a
hundred
percent
opposition
to
what's
happening
and
claimed,
there's
not
enough
opposition
and
they
build
those
buildings
and
it
creates
a
huge
amount
of
displacement.
M
I
urge
you
to
have
a
BPD,
a
reform
hearing
at
some
point.
Let's
just
go
the
last
slide
and
then
I'll
be
done.
Those
silos
we
talked
about
how
they
prevent
the
city
from
knowing
what's
the
demand
and
the
supply
is.
But
if
you
look
at
it
from
the
applicants
side,
it's
an
impossible
task
to
locate
your
options,
it's
impossible,
even
if
you
have
a
master's
degree
in
no
disabilities
from
the
landlord
side.
You
see
this
pile
of
applications.
Here,
that's
from
one
property,
the
lottery
that
we
just
ran
once
they
go
through
the
lottery.
M
They
have
to
be
added
to
the
waitlist
people
in
those
moderate
ami
units.
Don't
wait
that
long?
They
don't
wait.
13
years,
they
don't
wait
even
six
months
to
be
advised
that
they
were
in
the
lottery
and
wanted
they're
already
gone
last
slide
and
then
I'll
be
done.
We
have
these
weightless
400
properties
across
them.
There
are
36,000
households
if
I
undo,
placate,
meaning
the
same
person's
on
many
wait
lists.
Look
at
the
breakdown
here
in
our
36
thousand
households,
Boston
residents,
90%
of
them
are
not
eligible
for
anything
over
the
50
percent
level.
M
So
we
need
to
have
the
ami.
If
we're
going
to
use
AMI,
which
is
kind
of
awkward
not
to
use.
We
need
to
understand
that
anything
over
the
50
percent
level
is
not
affordable.
We
need
to
stop
having
the
city
say:
affordable
units
are
being
built
when
they're
not
affordable,
because
they're
not
tied
to
the
median
wage.
The
housing
has
to
be
tied
to
the
median
wage,
which
is
50%
ami
max
I
I'm,
not
gonna,
lose
some
other
problems,
I'm,
not
even
gonna
list
the
solutions,
but
I'll
give
you
one.
M
They're
on
slide,
22
they're
from
a
poll
I
took
from
all
the
stakeholders
we
work
with.
Some
of
them
are
really
fun.
Maybe
you
should
force
the
colleges
who
are
default
of
their
pilot
to
make
students
rented
the
IDP
units
and
that
might
get
them
out
of
the
older
stock,
slightly
lower
rent
housing
and
prevent
some
of
the
displacement
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
but
there's
some
fun
stuff
in
there.
Thank
you
very
much
hope
that
wasn't
too
fast.
Thank.
A
N
Good
afternoon
madam
chair
councilor,
asabi
George
councillor
Campbell.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
today
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Chris
Norris
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
Metro
housing,
Boston
I,
have
submitted
written
testimony
as
well
as
background
material
to
every
council
office.
So
you
will
have
that
and
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
in
the
future.
On
those
today,
I've
been
asked
to
discuss
our
experience
with
the
housing
system,
challenges
and
possible
solutions.
Metro
housing
has
35
years
of
experience
in
this
arena.
N
The
people
that
we
serve
have
average
annual
incomes
in
the
range
of
9,000
to
$15,000
for
a
family
three
over
the
years,
Boston
has
led
the
way
in
producing
housing
with
rince
that
are
below
market
rate,
and
there
are
some
very
clear
and
good
goals
that
have
been
set
by
the
mayor
and
are
being
trapped
by
his
team,
for
which
they
should
be
commended.
However,
when
they
arrive
at
metro
housing,
families
looking
for
housing
are
severely
limited
in
their
choices.
N
The
market
is
forcing
them
into
certain
areas,
with
high
concentrations
of
poverty
or
to
move
out
of
the
city
altogether,
leaving
their
support
networks
leaving
schools,
leaving
health
care
providers,
leaving
employment
opportunities
challenges.
The
primary
challenge
is
the
lack
of
housing
that
is
available
and
affordable
for
families
who
have
very
low
in
extremely
low
incomes,
and
by
that
for
us
using
the
ami
48,000
very
low
income
for
a
family
of
three
29,000
is
extremely
low
and,
as
you
heard
from
my
numbers,
our
families
are
half
of
that.
N
We're
not
building
the
supply
of
housing,
that's
necessary
to
meet
the
need
plain
and
simple.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
so
important
that
every
new
unit
is
built.
That's
built,
be
made
available
and
occupied
as
soon
as
possible.
Opportunities
for
housing
for
the
people
who
seek
our
assistance
are
quite
limited.
By
way
of
example,
when
metro
housing
opened
our
mass
rental
voucher
list
in
2014
we
had
71
vouchers
available.
N
The
list
was
open
for
one
month
we
received
10,000
applications
for
section
8,
section
8,
it's
not
much
different
and
we
haven't
seen
very
much
of
an
increase
if
any,
in
federal
rental
assistance
over
the
last
many
years,
and
in
fact
today
there
are
34,000
unduplicated
households
on
our
wait
list
and
the
families
that
came
into
our
office
yesterday
to
secure
a
voucher
had
been
on
the
list.
11
years.
N
Accessibility
is
a
second
challenge:
nearly
one-quarter
of
the
people
served
by
metro
housing
through
our
leased
housing
department
are
elderly
and
more
than
60
percent
have
a
household
member
with
a
disability
given
the
mobility
and
other
barriers.
Many
of
these
families
identifying
homes
that
have
accessible
features
as
a
priority
best
practices
emphasize
that
the
important
work
of
fair
housing
marketing
plans,
outreach,
community
meetings
and
tenant
selection
are
critical
to
ensuring
that
these
households
are
matched
with
the
units
that
actually
have
the
features
they
need.
Finally,
the
city
is
leading
the
way
in
many
directions.
N
John
mentioned
the
online
system
that
they're
using
for
some
of
their
units,
but
there
is
nose
and
I
echo
exactly
what
John
said.
We
didn't
talk
in
advance.
There
is
no
single
online
waitlist
for
affordable
housing
units
and
the
application
process
often
requires
applicants
or
those
working
with
them
to
go
to
various
sites
to
complete
the
process.
Just
at
metro
housing,
we
have
70
different
project-based
developments,
for
which
we're
administering
vouchers.
N
37
of
those
have
individual
lists
maintained
by
the
owner.
That's
37
different
applications,
37
different
places
to
go
to
apply
for
the
housing
and
families
can't
update
their
lists.
So
during
the
10
years
or,
however
long
it
is
that
takes
them
to
wait
when
the
application
finally
gets
sent
or
the
notice
finally
gets
sent
letting
them
know
that
they've
made
the
top
of
the
list
when
it's
returned
as
undeliverable
they
get
dropped.
N
There
are
many
different
steps
that
can
be
taken
to
help
resolve
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised.
The
standard
application
system
online
is
one
I've
already
mentioned
here
to
others.
Hearings
such
as
the
one
today
allow
you
to
ask
specific
questions,
knowing
what
is
built
where
it's
being
built,
and
probably
most
important,
at
least
for
those
of
us
here
who
is
a
vets
available
to
ie?
What
does
affordable
mean
asking
that
next
question
is
extremely
important.
Another
step
is
to
consistently
reaffirm
our
commitment
to
fair
housing.
N
The
city
has
a
variety
of
segregation
patterns,
of
which
we're
all
aware,
one
of
the
most
valuable
tools
that
we
have
to
reduce.
Some
of
that
is
the
effective,
fair
marketing
plans.
A
major
part
of
that
process
is
to
tie
in
a
timely
fashion,
monitor
advertising
and
those
meetings.
The
outreach,
the
application
procedures
to
make
it's
done
in
a
non-discriminatory
manner,
the
federal
state
and
the
local
laws
around
this
are
extremely
complicated
and,
as
we
heard
from
Sheila
and
her
team,
there's
a
large
volume
of
housing
under
construction,
this
work
needs
to
be
done
right.
N
It
needs
to
be
done
by
qualified
and
trained
people
who
know
the
fair
housing
rules
and
metro
housing
appreciates
that
the
administration
is
seeking
to
increase
staff
capacity
to
address
this
challenge
and
fully
supports
adequate
funding.
To
do
so
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
I
want
to
offer
a
blanket
invitation
to
the
entire
council
for
any
and
all
members
to
visit
our
new
offices
at
Roxbury
crossing
to
meet
with
our
staff
and
to
talk
to
our
clients
at
any
time.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
You
thank
you
counselor
for
inviting
us
to
testify
today.
My
name
is
Michael
Caine
and
the
director
of
both
the
National
Alliance
of
HUD
tenants
and
the
mass
alliance
of
HUD
tennis
since
1983
we've
organized
tenants
in
privately
owned
HUD
subsidized
housing.
We
count
over
eight
thousand
apartments
in
Boston
that
we've
preserved
as
section
eight
affordable
housing,
but
for
the
tenants
organization
in
those
buildings
prior
to
that,
I
was
also
instrumental
in
building
the
tent
city.
O
Housing
development
in
the
south
end
over
a
period
of
years,
which
did
not
include
federal
subsidies
that
had
internally
subsidized
rent
tiers,
very
similar
to
the
IDP
structure,
and
we
were
able
to
get
a
neighborhood
preference
for
people
displaced
from
the
south
end
in
that.
So
a
lot
of
similarities
to
the
IDP
dilemmas
that
Sheila
Dillon
was
talking
about.
I
also
worked
as
a
consultant
in
the
for
the
n-double-a-cp
on
the
Boston
CDBG
case,
which
led
to
the
consent
decree
in
the
eighties
I.
O
Really
we
had
not
conferred
about
what
we're
gonna
recommend,
but
I
was
going
to
strongly
recommend
creating
a
single
unified
wait
list
for
these
for
all
of
these
properties.
If
you're
a
tenant
or
somebody
who's,
homeless
and
I
should
add
I'm
involved
today
with
the
bus
and
homeless
solidarity
committee
and
you're
gonna
hear
from
somebody
who
shared
her
experiences
of
moving
into
the
Avalon
in
the
North
End.
O
O
You
know
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
that
experience
shared
like
people
have
to
go
to
every
single
property
and
sign
up
separately.
That's
a
huge
burden
for
people
that
are
homeless
or
people
that
are
in
need
of
housing.
It's
also
a
burden
to
the
developers.
The
developers
have
to
maintain
a
completely
separate
process
for
each
property,
with
a
huge
volume
of
applications
to
go
through
and
that's
a
lot
of
them
are
the
same
people.
O
A
lot
of
them
are
the
same
people
so
from
the
point
of
view
of
just
sufficiency
and
making
it
a
streamlined
process
for
people
who
are
trying
to
get
into
housing
and
the
developers
having
a
uniform
waitlist
would
make
sense.
Perhaps
the
city
ordinance
that
could
also
address
dilemmas
like
if
your
income
goes
up,
you're
forced
out
well,
what's
a
uniform
policy
for
that?
What
about
internal
transfers?
That's
an
issue
in
existing
HUD
multifamily
housing
if
you
need
a
different
bedroom
size
at
some
point,
are
you
given
a
preference
over
external
applicants?
O
There
are
questions
like
that
that
right
now
are
up
to
the
developers,
which
should
be
a
uniform
policy,
so
that
there's
some
uniformity
to
that
in
the
HUD
multifamily
world
that
we
organize
and
there's
you
know
there.
Everybody
has
a
long
wait
list
as
many
years
long,
but
there
aren't
a
lot
of
vacancies
as
soon
as
the
vacancy
comes
up.
People
move
in
right
away.
O
O
Well,
there's
far
more
of
those
units
being
built
than
there
are
units
for
very
low
income.
People
who
are
the
majority
of
the
city,
majority
of
the
residents
of
the
city,
earned
less
than
50,000
a
year,
and
we
heard
from
the
city
is
saying
that
the
IDP,
the
number
is
70%
of
the
ami,
which
is
50,000
well,
that's
above
the
average
income
for
people
in
the
city,
so
they're,
the
total
number
in
which
the
city
is
put
out
of
low-income
units.
Very
low
income
units
is
422.
O
O
Yeah
I'm
looking
this
is
in
the
order
for
today's
hearing
and
I've
heard
this
from
the
city
as
well,
that
of
the
new
low-income
units.
The
city
has
permitted
422
units,
348
of
which
have
been
targeted
to
homeless
individuals.
I've
heard
that
from
other
sources.
Besides
the
ordinance
from
the
city
I
met
recently
I
asked
Develin
from
the
DND
how
many
of
those
were
actually
subsidized
in
the
way
that
the
mayor's
housing
plan
said
they
would
be
subsidized,
which
is
to
take
section
8
vouchers
from
the
VHA
and
convert
them
to
project-based
vouchers.
O
The
mayor's
plan
called
for
only
6500
units
of
affordable
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income
renters
that
was
out
of
that
53,000
for
her
families
for
non
elderly
families.
The
number
of
a
6500
of
those
1700
were
supposed
to
be
for
very
low
income
people.
The
6500
were
intended
to
be
tax
credit
units
targeted
to
people
below
60%
of
the
area
median
income,
the
1700
were
supposed
to
be
extremely
low
income
people
earning
less
than
50,
typically
with
the
section
8
subsidy
for
example.
Well,
I
asked
some
in
the
mayor's
plan.
O
It
said
1700
units
would
be
available
for
very
low
income
people
by
transferring
vouchers
from
the
BHA
and
converting
them
to
project-based
vouchers,
project-based
vouchers.
That
is
a
way
to
do
it,
but
as
of
now,
zero
units
have
in
fact
been
converted
from
according
to
Devlin,
because
why?
Because
the
be
a
chaise
waitlist
has
been
frozen
for
the
last
few
years
and
there
are
no
units
being
made
available
to
the
waitlist
of
several.
It
was
a
20-year
waitlist
of
the
VHA.
O
No
units
are
turning
over
because
the
federal
cutbacks
and
freezes
so
as
a
result,
there
are
no
units
available
for
project-based
vouchers.
So
it's
a
question
how
these
422
units
are
allegedly
being
funded
subsidized
and
what
the
actual
income
ranges
are.
It
says
there
they're
claiming
that
many
are
from
currently
homeless
people.
It
is
possible
for
you
could
be
homeless
and
have
an
income
above
that
level.
O
We
don't
know
that
because
the
city
hasn't
really
provided
adequate
information,
but
contrast
that,
with
the
2,200
pipeline
units,
the
the
Millennium
building
opened
422
condos
sold
for
2.4
million
dollars
each
and
the
Dalton
is
going
to
be
6
million
each
160
units-
that's
what's
actually
getting
built
in
the
city,
and
we
would
argue
that
that
type
of
construction,
that
kind
of
priority
is
actually
raising
rents
in
the
neighborhoods
nearby.
The
Dalton
is
not
going
to
rents
in
the
south
end
and
Back
Bay.
O
Nobody
believes
that,
except
perhaps
a
few
people
at
the
Department
of
Neighborhood
Development.
You
know
the
construction
it
is
underway
in
the
mirrors.
Housing
plan,
in
our
view,
is
actually
making
it
worse
in
terms
of
raising
rents
to
everybody
else
in
the
city,
and
there
is
not
enough
extremely
low
income
or
very
low
income
housing
that
is
being
built
under
the
mayor's
plan.
O
Now
we
have
proposed,
as
you
know,
a
way
to
offset
the
fact
that
federal
money
is
frozen,
that
there
are
no
project-based
vouchers
available,
because
this
is
frozen
by
supplementing
that
resource
with
a
city
rent
subsidy
using
the
property
tax
revenues
from
places
like
Millennium
towers
and
the
Dalton
to
target
that
revenue
to
low-income
renters
so
offset
the
impact
on
the
market
that
these
luxury
developments
are
creating.
So
we
have
proposed
that
to
the
council.
We
appreciate
the
council's
10
councillors
that
have
supported
that
for
the
past
few
years.
O
We
we
were
disappointed
that
the
mayor
did
not
include
it
in
his
budget
yet
again,
but
we
have
not
given
up
on
that
idea.
We,
in
fact
50
of
us,
showed
up
at
the
coffee
hour
in
the
north
end
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
the
mirror
agreed
to
finally
meet
with
us,
after
not
responding
to
our
coalition
requests
for
the
last
six
months.
So
we
are
expecting
another
meeting
with
the
mayor.
We're
going
to
ask
him
to
propose
a
supplemental
budget
request
for
at
least
the
five
million
dollar
pilot
that
the
council
has
proposed.
O
So
it
makes
it
more
burdensome
for
the
developers
if
there
were
a
subsidy
source
that
could
be
made
available
to
make
these
units
truly
affordable
to
the
people
of
Boston,
then
that
would
facilitate
development
and
lower
the
vacancy
rate.
We
believe
so
we
want
to
mention
that
it's
also
come
to
our
attention
that
the
city
of
New
York
has
a
program
called
15-15-15,
which
is
creating
15,000
units
of
low-income,
supportive
housing
from
the
city
budget
over
the
next
15
years.
O
A
You
I'm
just
and
anyone
can
feel
free
to
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
advocacy
and
work
in
housing
in
general
and
years
and,
if
not
decades,
commitment
to
making
sure
that
this
is
an
affordable
City,
that
we
are
racially
inclusive
and
that
we
are
a
city
where
people
can
of
all
incomes
can
feel
feel.
Welcome.
So
I
wanted
to.
Thank
you
all
all
three
of
you
for
your
dedication
to
that.
I
just
wanted
to
just
I'll,
throw
out
the
questions
and
you
guys
can
feel
free
to
answer.
A
Whoever
feels
free,
but
I
want
to
be
clear
about
where
you
guys
stand
on
the
numbers
in
the
city.
Are
you
discounting
them
completely?
Are
you
do
you
disagree
with
the
fact
that
there
are
a
hundred
and
three
units
available
right
now
for
for
this
lottery,
I
mean
I,
guess
I
wanted
because
it
seems
like
you
were
stating
it
was
underreported
I
can.
M
Answer
only
for
Mike
my
clients
in
my
portfolio,
where
the
cost,
those
hundred
properties
we
have
a
de
facto
centralized
waitlist,
because
if
you
update,
if
you've
applied
to
all
hundred
places-
and
you
send
an
update
to
one-
you
get
updated
and
all
the
way
before
they
started
using
us.
I
had
a
number
of
clients
in
the
60%
category
who
had
six
empty
one-bedroom
units
or
two-bedroom
for
six
months,
because
it's
a
very
difficult
window
to
fill
and
people
in
that
category.
M
M
There's
five
thousand
people
on
the
list
and
the
landlord's
there
on
Sunday
night
contacting
the
first
four
hundred
to
see
if
they
can
find
someone
still
on
the
list,
who's
eligible
and
reachable,
but
absent
that
centralized
list
for
affordable
units
you're
going
to
have
those
empty
units
because
the
minute
they
started
using
our
centralized
that
went
away
and
now
it's
just
a
month
a
month
and
a
half
before
they
fill
the
unit.
But
most
places
most
management
companies
have
to
because
they
operate
in
22
states.
M
Their
own
wait
lists
they're,
not
centralized
with
the
people
and
the
buildings
a
hundred
buildings
right
next
door.
So
that's
one
of
those
problems
and
I
can
say
that
there
is
much
more
empty
unit
time
in
the
sixty
percent
category
than
in
the
thirty.
Fifty
I
don't
know
about
70
80,
because
we
don't
deal
with
that
because
it's
not
affordable.
A
N
K
N
Turnover
and
so
on
initial
lease
up.
We
may
not
even
be
aware
of
those
because
they
haven't
come.
That's
in
the
purview
of
the
city.
I
do
know,
for
example,
with
our
state
vouchers.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
668
allocated
to
metro
housing
project-based.
We
have
a
95
percent
lease
rate,
meaning
that
we
have
30
units
that
are
sitting
vacant
right
now.
Those
are
all
turnover
units
and
we
have
a
hundred
and
thirty
additional
units
that
are
under
construction.
N
That
will
come
on
that
are
estimated
to
come
on
between
May
of
2018,
which
shows
the
differences
in
the
development
process,
meaning
it's
still
not
online
and
through
March
of
2019.
So
you
know,
we
know
that
there
are
units
under
construction.
We
get
the
difference
between
the
a
hundred
versus
the
hundred
that
are
ready
today
and
that
I
think
the
questions
that
you've
asked
are
key
in
terms
of
getting
that
list
and
being
able
to
track
it.
A
M
A
A
So
so,
because,
even
with
the
solutions
that
you
have
so
far
in
terms
of
streamlining
the
pipeline,
we
still
hit
this
brick
wall
of
103
units
that
are
available
in
thousands
of
people
who
need
them.
Another
number
awesome
suggested
or
stated
with
their
62
projects
with
about
he
said
1700,
but
really
1300
units
to
come
online
as
in
there
in
various
stages
of
being
built.
So
we
stiii
would
think
just
add
that
to
the
hundred
and
three
so
now
we're
looking
at
about
fourteen
hundred,
maybe
fifteen
hundred
units
that
might
be
ready
to
go
swimming.
A
N
K
N
Is
what
I
think
you
are
getting
to
yeah
the
comments
that
Sheila
and
her
team
made
about
adequate
staffing?
Yes,
reviewing
things
promptly
and
working
with
the
developers
so
that
you're
holding
those
lotteries
before
the
building
is
completed.
You
know,
I
can
say
we
just
went
through
it.
I
know,
you
know
we're
in
councillor
Cheney's
district
and
we
just
opened
our
building
where
metro
housing
is
located.
There
were
40
units
of
affordable
housing
on
the
top
three
floors
of
the
building.
N
In
fact,
one
solution
or
one
opportunity
for
the
council
would
even
be
to
create
a
committee
to
look
at
those
different
areas
where
the
delays
happen
and
try
to
address
those,
because
it's
more
than
just
the
fair
housing,
that's
the
key
element
and
the
ones
that
have
been
brought
to
our
attention.
But
there
are
numerous
other
parts
of
the
system
that
cause
lag
or
delay
that
prevent
folks
from
being
able
to
access
those
units.
Finally,
I
think.
O
Somebody
with
a
voucher,
for
example,
who
could
move
in
that
there
were
only
48
of
those,
so
I
think
it's
one
thing
to
ask:
is
the
breakdown
of
the
103
units
by
income
category
and
what
are
the
actual
incomes
of
the
people
that
are
being
selected
and
are
how
many
of
them
are
also
homeless
and
being
served
in
that
way?
We
need
to
get
those
numbers,
but
it's
really
a
drop
in
the
bucket
for
what
is
going
on
out
there.
You
can't
walk
out
the
building
and
see
that
see
homeless.
People
on
the
street
I.
M
Need
to
add
one
thing
to
that:
it's
really
hard
to
talk
about
these
empty
units.
If
they're
not
actually
an
affordable
categories,
I
mean
it's.
You
have
to
first
clarify
when
you
talk
about
affordable
units
if
they
are
affordable.
I
will
say
this,
though,
specifically
there's
a
major
breakdown
at
the
end
of
the
lottery
process.
It's
as
I
think
you'll
hear
from
the
manager.
Companies
are
going
to
testify
later.
A
So
in
some
of
your
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
push
backs
I
get
when
I
when
I
talk
about
not
being
able
to
build
our
way
out
of
this
or
that
we
are
assuming
when
we're
building
so
much
luxury,
with
the
hope
that
it
will
pay
for
affordable.
What
I
would
call
trickle
down
housing
policy
when
we're
doing
that.
One
of
the
biggest
arguments
is
because
we
don't
have
money.
A
The
government
has
basically
walked
away
and
given
up
on
its
role
or
ability
or
even
I,
guess
give
a
damn.
Excuse
me
about
poor
people
being
able
to
live
with
dignity
in
this
country,
and
so,
therefore,
we
are
forced
to
look
at
the
private
market.
Therefore,
we're
forced
to
work
and
to
make
sure
that
they
have
that
they're,
basically
building
as
much
as
possible.
What
is
your
response
to
that?
There's.
M
A
couple
of
solutions
there
are
properties
building
into
30
and
60%,
which
I
think
of
as
the
max
of
affordable
in
Boston.
Often,
people
properties
just
put
one
up
when
residential
just
put
one
up,
they're,
small
and
they're,
not
downtown.
That's
one
solution
is
that
when
it's
a
large
development
that
I
would
blame
the
BPD
a
for
this,
they
seed
entirely
with
the
developer
and
there
are
no
affordable
units.
M
The
second
thing
is
the
building
I
live
in
has
a
full
spectrum
of
mixed
income,
extremely
low
income
up
to
market
the
market
help
pay
for
the
other
categories.
It's
a
fabulous
exponential,
build
of
social
capital.
So
these
buildings
that
are
being
built
need
to
not
just
have
market
units
and
a
little
bit
of
70%.
They
need
to
have
30
50,
60,
70
and
market
in
the
same
building,
and
they
need
to
be
required
to
do
that.
That
makes
it
affordable.
M
N
Also
disagree,
but
for
a
different
reason,
I
find
it
interesting
that
when
it
comes
to
serving
the
families
that
we
work
with,
that
they
get
the
leftovers
and
we
can't
build
our
way
out
there.
If
there
are
fewer,
extremely
low
income
households
in
the
city,
then
there
are
middle-income
households,
but
somehow
because
it
costs
less,
we
can
afford
to
build
our
way
out
of
the
problem
of
middle-income
housing.
We
can
create
lots
of
housing
for
middle-income,
but
it's
a
question
of
resources.
N
N
That's
after
18
years
of
building
tons
of
affordable
housing,
we're
doing
something
wrong
and
no
one's
calling
people
on
it
and
no
one's
going
back
to
actually
look
at
real
solutions.
Instead,
we
have
things
like
the
zoning
bill,
that's
pending
before
the
legislature
that
calls
for
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
new
units
of
housing,
with
no
mention
of
affordability
in
it.
O
There
is,
there
is
a
potential
source
of
the
positive
side
of
all
the
luxury
development
is
that
is
generating
a
huge
amount
of
new
property
tax
revenue
to
the
city
of
the
millennium,
building
that
opened
at
the
old
Filene
site,
442
condos
that
sold
for
an
average
of
2.4
million
the
property
tax
revenue
received
from
that
building
in
the
first
year
is
going
to
be
ten
point:
nine
million
dollars
that's
going
to
be
a
permanent
stream
of
income
to
the
city.
If
anything,
it
will
only
go
up
if
the
values
increase
so
ten
point.
O
Nine
million
is
enough
to
subsidize
a
thousand
very
low-income
families
in
tax
credibility's
that
the
6500
tax
credit
units
that
the
city
says
they
want
to
build
for
families
that
could
be
the
source
for
the
very
low
income
units
in
lieu
of
project-based
vouchers
from
the
VHA
which
are
not
available
because
of
federal
cutbacks.
So
it's
a
new
there's.
Look
at
the
just
look
up
in
Boston.
There's
this
incredible
new
wealth
that
is
being
generated
by
the
city's
support
for
these
luxury
developments.
O
We
just
need
to
make
sure
the
revenue
from
those
is
being
used
to
offset
the
negative
impacts
on
housing
and
rental
housing
in
the
city,
so
it
works
out
that
for
every
million
dollars
in
a
condo
value,
the
owner
is
paying
ten
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
per
that
for
that
for
property
taxes
for
that
1
million
dollars.
So
that's
enough
for
a
very
low
income
subsidy
in
a
in
a
tax
credit
unit,
it's
enough
for
a
very
low-income
person
and
of
her
and
that's
a
permanent
rental
stream.
O
Now
that
last
year
the
city
had
new
revenue
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
million
dollars,
so
the
city
budget
is
now
3.3
billion,
assuming
that
the
new
revenue
increases
each
year
in
that
range,
a
hundred
and
seventy
million.
It's
not
too
much
to
ask
that
a
small
portion
of
that
new
revenue
be
used
to
be
allocated
by
the
city
for
a
low-income
rent.
Subsidy
program
like
New
York
is
doing
like
Seattle
is
now
doing
like
Washington
DC
is
doing
just
target
use
set
aside.
The
mayor
can
do
this.
O
It's
new
revenue
coming
to
the
city,
there's
a
lot
of
other
claims
in
that
revenue,
police,
fire,
schools
and
so
on,
but
one
of
the
things
that
it
can
be
used
for
is
housing,
rental,
subsidy
operating
subsidy
and
they're
another
when
they
talk
about
affordable
housing.
Almost
all
the
programs
that
the
city
and
state
has
put
forward
our
capital
subsidies,
they
lower
the
cost
of
construction
or
purchase
of
those
buildings.
That's
helpful,
but
it's
even
if
you
gave
the
buildings
away
very
low-income
people
cannot
afford
the
operating
costs
without
some
form
of
operating
subsidy.
O
That's
the
reality,
so
you
need
to
have
some
kind
of
operating
subsidy,
whether
it's
section
8
vouchers
that
are
set
aside
for
that
building
or
the
state
Mr
VP
program
or
a
city
subsidy.
That
would
supplement
that
you
have
to
have
some
kind
of
low
income,
rent
subsidy
for
low
income
renters
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
either
new
housing
or
to
preserve
buildings
like
the
13a
buildings
that
are
being
lost
or
the
new
mixed
income
public
housing
buildings.
They
need
an
operating
subsidy
for
those
low-income
renters.
O
M
Can
I
had
one
more
sentence
in
talking
about
the
priority
of
using
this
money?
The
housing
first
model
applies
here.
You
have
to
have
housing
before
you
can
do
the
school's
the
education
to
healthcare.
It's
the
number
one
case
management
issue
across
the
spectrum.
Charles
Dickens
wrote
about
it
and
that
preface
to
Oliver,
Twist
and
and
the
lesson
he
wrote
in
there
is,
if
you
don't
do
housing
first,
it
doesn't
just
burden
homeless.
It
tears
apart.
The
entire
city.
A
B
B
O
Well,
I
can
say
that
the
current
vouchers
payment
standard
to
the
Boston
Housing
Authority,
110
percent
yeah
limited
by
statute,
is
insufficient
to
cover
to
cover
the
rents
in
almost
all
of
the
city.
At
this
point,
the
EM
bhp
pays
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
they
can
go
higher
because
the
state
program
that
they
are
part
of
is
some
status
of
moving
to
work
agencies.
So
they
can
go
above
that,
but
I've
been
Kristen.
Really
that's.
N
On
the
section
8
program
on
the
state
program
vouchers,
if
I
get
this
right,
two
thousand
five,
the
last
time
the
state
adjusted
their
rent
levels
for
the
mass
rental
voucher
program
was
2005.
Those
are
the
rent
levels
that
were
allowed
pay
using
the
state
program
unless
we
get
a
waiver
to
give
credit
where
credit
is
to
DHCD
is
granting
most
waivers,
but
those
waivers
take
time.
N
So
you
have
an
owner
on
one
hand
that
can
go
rent
in
the
private
market,
given
where
things
are
or
they
can
wait,
why
we
a
negotiate
them
down
from
the
rent
that
they
want
and
then
tell
them
when
they
settle
on
the
rent
that
we
have
to
go
get
a
waiver
from
the
state,
but
please
hold
this
unit
for
our
family.
That's
waiting
for
housing,
so
at
a
minimum.
Moving
the
fair
market
rent
on
em
RVP
to
the
current
fair
market
rents
would
save
time
and
allowed
to
make
it
more
useful
for
families
the.
O
So
if
you
have
a
section,
8
voucher
forget
about
trying
to
find
an
apartment
at
that,
that's
what
the
rents
are
in
the
community.
The
voucher
is
a
limit,
so
you
cannot
use
it
increasing.
Really
at
this
point,
I,
don't
think
there's
any
neighborhood
in
Boston
where,
unless
the
building
had
some
other
subsidy
like
Georgetown
right
where
the
section
8
voucher
can
be
used
so
people,
therefore
they
can't
find
a
place.
They
give
up
the
voucher
or
they
have
to
move
out
of
town
to
Brockton
or
Fall
River
up
in
the
North
Shore.
H
P
N
They
were
excuse
me.
They
were
ahead
of
the
game
in
terms
of
their
marketing
plans,
submitting
the
materials
to
the
city,
getting
everything
approved
in
advance
and
then
as
soon
as
they
had
a
date,
and
this
is
where
I
got
back
to
the
idea
of
streamlining
things,
such
as
the
permitting
or
the
inspections
and
getting
groups
in
the
ground.
H
N
H
O
And
we
just
learned
about
it
recently
from
local
developer,
Trinity
financial
told
us
about
it.
They
have
capital
sources
for
supportive
housing
that
are
both
city
and
state,
but
they
are
supplementing
it
with
an
operating
subsidy,
as
I
suggest
that
they
will
need
and
I
understand,
is
this
from
the
city
budget.
It's
subject
to
annual
appropriation,
so
they
make
a
15
year
commitment,
just
like
a
federal
section,
8
contract.
But
it's
subject
to
annual
appropriation
by
the
city
of
New
York
through
the
Office
of
Management
and
Budget.
So.
O
O
K
I
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
to
this
panel
Chris
the
work
that
you're
doing
certainly
and
Michael.
You
know
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
using
the
the
revenue
from
the
luxury
condos
to
really
think
about
moving
forward
with
this
city,
funded,
rent
subsidy,
so
I'm
really
excited
I'm,
hoping
you
can
give
us
some
more
detail.
You
just
mentioned
earlier
the
Millennium
building
where
the
average
condos
were
selling
for
4.2
the.
I
O
Share
yes,
the
city
says
there
are
2200
super
luxury
condos
that
would
forget
about
affordable
housing.
This
is
super
luxury
condos,
like
the
doulton,
like
that
one,
like
the
new
millennium
building
that
is
about
to
be
built
that
are
in
the
pipeline,
and
you
know
they're
going
up
in
every
neighborhood,
so
they
could
look
at
the
South
End
and
the
Inc
block
area
parts
of
Brighton.
There
were
all
these
super
luxury
condos
that
are
in
the
Fenway
that
99
unit
building
that
this
was
sold
of
Chinese
investors,
so.
O
O
If
the
the
the
Daltons
I
mean
I'm,
sorry,
the
millennium
was
2.4
million
average.
So,
let's
just
let's
say
for
the
sake
of
argument
that
these
2200
units
will
sell
for
an
average
of
2
million
plus
I
think
that's
a
safe
bet.
That
is
enough
money
at
a
you
know,
10,000
per
per
year
for
each
million.
That's
enough
money
to
subsidize
four
to
five
thousand
low-income
rental
apartments
in
a
permanent
basis,
housing
first
to
get
homeless.
O
People
off
the
street,
but
also
enough
to
it,
could
solve
the
13
a
problem
for
the
600
families
that
are
facing
displacement.
It
would
be
it
could.
You
could
probably
double
the
number
of
low-income
units
and
the
JP
Rox
plan,
because
the
one
third
one
third
one
third
formula,
our
minimums
right,
so
you
could
make
additional
low-income,
rent
subsidies
available
to
make
those
units
more
affordable
to
the
community
or
the
the
public
housing
developments.
It's
a
source
that
could
be
used
to
help
with
the
Bunker
Hill
renovation
is
a
low-income
subsidy
source
for
those
renters.
O
So
it's
a
four
to
five
thousand
would
be
would
have
a
substantial
impact
on
the
city
right
and
that
would
be
over
the
next
four
years.
This
is
a
new
revenue
over
the
next
four
years.
We
are
not
saying
that
all
the
you
know
we're
just
saying,
take:
take
a
portion
of
the
new
revenue
from
the
condo
developments,
just
the
ones
that
are
super
luxury
right
and
so.
I
O
O
So
we
need
a
real
breakdown
of
what
super
market
above
the
market
of
you
know
outside
of
anybody
who
lives
here
and
then
the
market
for
the
people,
some
people
who
do
live
here
and
then
the
affordable
need,
which
is
the
majority
of
the
residents,
take
a
look
at
the
actual
numbers
of
the
incomes
of
the
people
for
those
units,
but
there's
the
the
revenue
just
from
the
the
property
tax
revenue
from
just
those
units
will
be
coming
into
the
city
over
the
next
few
years.
Yep.
O
G
I
Out
of
control
that
we
use
that
revenue
to
offset
you
know
what
is
happening
in
our
neighborhoods.
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
mention
is
the
importance
of
really
streamlining
the
application
process
and
the
wait
list.
So
I'm
I've
been
working
with
a
family
now
I
would
say
over
a
year
before
I
even
got
to
the
the
council.
Currently
in
a
building
that
has
some
sort
of
subsidy,
it's
a
one-bedroom
apartment.
I
Things
have
changed
since
moving
into
the
1-bedroom
apartment.
This
is
an
immigrant
family.
Who
now
has
the
rest
of
the
family
has
joined
them
here,
and
so
it's
literally
four
people
living
in
the
one-bedroom
application
at
this
site
and
sites
all
across
the
city
filling
in
and
there's
you
know
language
barrier
so
literally
having
to
fill
in
multiple,
multiple
applications.
O
Homeless,
solidarity
meeting
last
Sunday
from
Jeannie
Shirley
who's
here
today,
who
was
homeless
and
when
she
got
in
the
wait
list
for
the
Evelyn.
There
was
a
problem
about
first
last
and
security
deposit
and
she
she
needed
to
get
that
from
the
raft
or
home
base
program
and
that
there's
a
bureaucracy
there,
and
the
timing
of
that
can
also
get
in
the
way
of
somebody
being
able
to
accept
the
unit
at
the
right
moment,
which
is
a
factor
of
making.
O
M
M
And
you
have
you
overcome
a
fair
housing
barrier,
because
if
your
advocate
is
chinese-american
and
you
don't
speak
American,
she
does
and
she
can
handle
a
couple
hundred
families
with
our
system.
But
you
could
certainly
what's
the
word
jawbone
management
companies
to
implement
a
one-page
preliminary
app
instead
of
the
30
page
application.
Some
of
them
do
which
they
do
to
discourage
garbage
applications
right
now
and
then,
once
the
person
comes
to
the
top
of
the
list
in
five
years,
they
can
fill
out
the
30
page
application
and
there's
one
issue
at
this
home
base
issue.
M
This
is
one
of
the
causes
of
vacancy.
The
shelters
are
desperate,
they
don't
have
a
forwarding
mechanism.
So
if
I've
applied
from
a
shelter
and
six
months
later,
I
get
a
letter
saying
we
put
you
on
the
list-
I'm
not
at
that
shelter
anymore
and
the
shelter
doesn't
forward
my
mail.
So
you
could
get
the
shelter's
an
institute,
a
forwarding
system
to
at
least
reach
people
right
now.
Maybe
we
do
40,000
2,000
updates
a
year
on
one
waitlist,
because
people
change
their
circumstances
multiple
times,
that's
a
lot
of
work
and
most
people
won't
move
in.
M
But
then
you've
got
the
home
base
issue.
The
shelters
are
forcing
people
into
affordable
units
and
they
can't
afford
them
after
the
year,
so
they
get
evicted
and
then
maybe
they're
not
eligible
for
services
anymore.
That's
causing
vacancies
because
on
your
list,
if
only
one
out
of
every
three
hundred
people
is
actually
reachable
and
eligible,
it
takes
a
long
time
to
fill
a
unit.
That's
several
things
all
at
once.
Sorry,
but
but
there
are
ways
to
make
this
work.
Despite
the
politics
and
the
economics.
A
Q
Won't
take
that
long,
hi
get
it
good
afternoon
to
everybody.
My
name
is
Olivia
Martin.
As
of
last
Wednesday,
I
was
homeless,
I
live
in
the
south
end
I
was
raised
there
in
the
south
end.
During
the
sin
High
program
I've
seen,
every
development
go
up
from
Langham
court
tent
city
Roxy,
home
I
was
a
property
owner
who
had
a
five-story
building
after
I
completely
rehabbed
the
building
that
I
bought
$430,000.
Q
Q
Q
One
person
in
each
one,
I've
watched
in
a
development
that
I
live
four
bedrooms
over
and
over
be
held
for
nine
months
until
they
decided
who
they
wanted.
To
move
into
those
apartment
I
know
seniors
right
now
who
live
in
a
two-bedroom
apartment,
the
development
that
I
lived
in
right
now,
my
furniture
has
a
roof
over
his
head
and
I've
been
walking
the
streets
for
the
last
five
nights,
because
I
don't
have
a
place
to
sleep
when
BHA
I've
been
a
bhp
was
a
partnership.
Q
They
gave
me
a
voucher.
Bha
won't
record
my
disability
because
they
don't
want
to
complicate
me.
I
have
seen
the
times
that
I
have
seen
over
and
over
people
who
are
living
working,
a
40-hour
job
brand-new
cars
park
at
visitors
parking
park
at
the
meters,
one
woman.
They
used
to
testify
against
me
right
now
today,
since
2014,
she
has
been
subletting.
Her
apartment
I
bought
this
to
management.
Q
Q
Q
People
who
are
working
funny
I
was
a
job.
Well,
not
old
people.
Lease
I
live
in
there
go
from
Back
Bay
down
Dartmouth
Street
cross
over
to
Harrison
to
West
new
come
back
around
count
those
cars,
the
city
doesn't
cross
check
their
parking
permits
with
the
developers.
I
got
an
MBA
CH
p
voucher
under
this
head.
I
can't
even
afford
to
stay
in
the
south
in
and
with
the
MB
HP
voucher.
The
very
person
who's
evicted
me.
Under
this
hand,
it's
taking
it.
How
does
it
happen?
Q
I'm
in
the
street,
and
you
get
my
furniture
place
to
sleep.
You've
got
more
apartments,
they're,
not
overcrowded.
They
are
saving
these
apartments
for
their
family,
their
grandfather
and
their
men.
That
says,
if
you
turn
18
and
you're
on
your
parents,
lease
you
are
qualified
to
get
an
apartment,
but
then
doing
there.
Those
four
bedroom
apartments
that
was
vacant
from
April
to
December
was
their
family.
Their
friends.
You
need
to
check
out
Villa
Victoria,
no
disrespect.
You
need
to
check
out
cathedral
I'm
talking
what
I
know.
Thank
you.
A
Q
L
When
I
was
a
kid
and
it's
obviously
the
neighborhood
looks
very
different
and
at
the
time
there
are
folks
who
are
looking
at
where
the
city
was
going
and
trying
to
think
of
creative
ways,
knowing
where
particularly
the
South
End
was
going
to
come
together
and
buy
some
of
these
buildings
to
preserve
them,
more
of
them
for
affordable
housing
units
I
mean
units
are
truly
affordable
for
families
who
were
living
there
and
also
our
seniors.
So
I
just
had
to
sort
of
pause
for
a
minute
there.
L
So
I
think
we
all
hear
these
stories
and
know
the
struggle
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
testimony.
I
think
it
highlights
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
Highlights
I.
Think
some
of
the
questions
we
need
to
continue
to
ask
some
of
these
questions.
We
asked
during
the
budget
season
and
Michael
in
particular
when
it
comes
to
the
housing
vouchers
in
that
program,
fully
supported
was
frankly,
very
upset
that
it
wasn't
included
in
the
last
budget
because
I
agree
with
you:
there's
adequate
resources
for
it
to
exist
and
I.
L
Don't
think
it's
much
to
ask
to
take
that
away
from
the
new
revenue
to
apply
it
there
and
I
said
it.
You
know,
don't
give
it
to
bps
and
I
said
it
loud
and
clear,
I
think
there's
so
many
different
needs,
so
how
what
our
schools
need
and,
of
course,
what
all
the
other
departments
need,
including
those
who
are
trying
to
combat
the
displacement
issue
when
it
comes
to
these
the
new
development.
So
thank
you
for
your
work.
L
So
keep
us
abreast
of
your
conversations
with
the
administration
and
how
we
can
from
our
side,
support
you
in
those
efforts.
I
look
forward
to
reviewing
the
up-to-date
data
from
D
and
D
and
the
administration,
and
also
the
BP
da
on
the
units
we're
talking
about
today.
You
know
what
are
those
units
where
are
they
being
built?
Who
are
they
meant
to
serve?
Where
are
they
going?
I?
Think
it's
such
a
complex
conversation
that
I
think
we
need
that
that
data
I
mean
I,
know
the
report.
L
The
report
doesn't
spell
at
all
and
I
think
you
guys
allude
to
that.
Some
of
the
reports
we
put
out
don't
pull
it
apart
in
such
a
way
that
it
really
gets
to
what
we're
trying
to
talk
about
really
addresses
the
need
so
that
it
we're
all
in
the
same
page
as
to
what
that
is,
and
then,
of
course,
what
we
need
to
be
creating
to
address
the
need.
L
So
I
look
forward
to
following
up
with
you
guys,
including
with
some
of
my
colleagues
based
on
the
data
that
they
will
submit
to
us,
but
just
wanted
to
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
and
for
the
work
that
you
do
every
day,
I'm
sure
it's
extremely
difficult,
because
I'm
sure
you
see
folks
like
Miss
Martin
all
the
time
we
do
but
I'm
sure
you
see
more
of
miss
Martin's.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
K
A
R
Hello,
I'm
Brian
Engler
I'm
from
SCB
housing
I'm,
the
principal
there
I've
been
involved
in
affordable
housing
in
Massachusetts
for
15
years.
We
are
hired
by
I've,
been
hired
by
dozens
of
different
developers
in
the
city
of
Boston
alone,
I've
worked
on
a
few
dozen
affordable
housing,
lotteries
I
think
we're
pretty
uniquely
positioned
and
that
we
work
at
the
intersection
of
the
bureaucracy
of
BPD,
a
Boston,
fair
housing
and
the
the
private
sector,
which
is
working
with
the
developers
in
in
and
working
with,
the
applicants
and
fill
in
the
units
so
I
hand
it
out.
R
I
brought
a
schedule
here
which
is
kind
of
highlights
the
best
case
scenario
and
how
long
it
takes
to
lease
these
units
or
get
them
occupied.
You're
asking
earlier
after
the
representatives
from
the
BP
a
and
D
and
D
were
here
and
you're,
saying
after
everything
that
you're
saying
I
still
don't
understand
how
it
takes
two
years
to
fill
these
units,
and
this
is
basically
lay
it
out
in
the
schedule
that
I
have
here
there
that
they
they
are
taking
actions.
R
But
the
the
main
issues
from
our
standpoint
and
getting
these
units
filled
or
one
up
until
a
few
weeks
ago.
It
takes
four
to
eight
months
to
get
a
marketing
plan
approved.
So
when
mr.
Baker
was
asking
about
South
Bay,
that's
one
of
my
clients
and
we
submitted
that
marketing
plan
in
October
of
last
year,
and
we
still
don't
have
approval
on
that
and
we've
received
some
very
basic
comments
on
it,
which
we
turned
around
and
submitted
the
day-after
within
24
hours,
and
we
still
don't
have
approval
on
that.
And
so
that's
it's.
R
The
the
office
I
was
reviewing
those
they
work
really
really
hard
to
turn
those
around
and
I.
They
work
really
late,
but
they
have
one
and
a
half
people
working
there
and
when
they
need
to
have
seven.
So
that's
a
big
issue.
You
can
shave
four
to
eight
months
off
the
process
right
there,
just
by
making
the
the
review
of
the
marketing
plan
more
efficient.
After
that,
once
marketing
starts,
it's
a
pretty
regimented
process.
R
There's
there's
not
that
many
inefficiencies
you
could
shave
off
a
week
or
a
month
here
and
there
and
I
could
go
into
that.
That's
more
fine
tooth
refinement,
but
because
from
when
you
start
when
you
get
approval
to
market
until
really
you
actually
run
the
lottery.
That's
going
to
be
about
four
months,
we
do
a
lot
of
forty
B
work.
R
We've
been
involved
in
a
few
hundred
different
developments
in
the
suburbs
in
Massachusetts
four
months
from
the
start
of
marketing
to
when
you
have
a
lottery
list
and
and
households
that
you
can
turn
over
the
waiting
lists
or
to
the
leasing
office.
Isn't
that
ridiculous,
trying
to
truncate
that
when
you're
dealing
with
thousands
and
thousands
of
applicants,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that's
where
the
focus
really
should
be
the
so
the
issue
is
after
we
have,
we
run
the
lottery.
We
turn
the
waiting
lists
over
the
management
companies.
R
They
start
screening,
households
where
households
come
in.
They
have
to
complete
a
lease
application
just
like
anywhere
else
and
they
get
approved.
That's
when
we
come
back
in
and
they
notify
us,
because
we're
experts
in
certifying
households
is
doing
the
income
and
asset
verifications
for
those
households.
They
notify
us
that
a
household
has
has
reserved
a
unit.
R
Unlike
hide
the
you
know,
the
chapter
five
guidelines
on
what
counts
is
income
and
what
doesn't
count
is
income,
and
so
sometimes,
even
though
we've
done
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
these
will
submit
a
file
and
the
BPD
a
will
say.
You
know
that
there's
one
piece
of
documentation
missing
and
they
want
to
see
that
piece
of
documentation.
In
addition,
they
want
the
applicant
because
it's
been
eight
weeks
since
that
file
was
submitted.
R
They
want
everything
else
resubmitted,
so
it
puts
his
undue
burden
on
the
applicants
to
kind
of
scramble
around,
while
they're
in
this
limbo
waiting
for
housing.
So
I
think
that
you
could,
if
you
focus
the
little
resources
on
how
long
it
takes
the
BPD
a
to
review
the
files
that
would
make
a
you
know,
a
huge
improvement.
So,
instead
of
four
to
eight
weeks,
maybe
it's
one
to
three
weeks.
I
could
tell
you
my
office
with
the
staff
that
I
have.
R
If,
if
we
were
in
that
office
and
we
were
just
being
sent
applications
directly
from
properties
and
not
even
dealing
with
the
applicants
themselves,
we
could
turn
those
around
in
a
week
or
two
and
it's
taking
eight
weeks
and
again,
that's
because
they're
understaffed
as
well
and
then
there's
a
new
issue.
That's
coming
up
right
now,
which
is
that
when
we
submit
our
marketing
plans
to
Boston
fair
housing,
we
try
to
make
them
as
transparent
as
possible.
R
Until
recently,
the
city
has
said
the
property
can
use
their
standard
policies
of
the
and
in
some
cases
we
have
to
discourage
the
property
from
doing
that
because,
on
the
market
rate
side,
a
lot
of
these
properties
when
they
have
a
certified
household
or
somebody
comes
in
to
lease
one
of
those
$3,000
a
month.
Apartments,
that's
not
part
of
the
program
and
they
complete
the
lease
application.
The
property
says:
okay,
congratulations.
R
We've
always
told
them
that,
because
if
you
turn
around
and
tell
them,
they
have
to
move
in
right
away
that
applicants
just
going
to
walk,
because
that
applicant
hasn't
put
a
deposit
down
or
anything
else,
and
what
that
means
is
so
the
properties
with
our
encouragement
have
been
given.
Households
30
days
to
move
in
the
city
has
recently
told
us,
and
this
is
a
new
policy,
so
it
hasn't
even
manifested
itself,
but
I
can
tell
you
how
it's
going
to
manifest.
R
Is
that
they're
saying
that
applicants
need
to
be
given
at
least
30
days
from
the
data
certification
to
put
it
apposite
down
and
that
those
households
need
to
be
given
60
days
from
the
date
that
they've
put
that
deposit
down?
It's
signed
at
least
to
actually
move
in
and
what
that
does
is
at
the
very
end
of
this
process.
It
adds
an
additional
90
days
on
to
the
on
to
the
process
and
what
happens
is
not
every
household
who
gets
certified
and
has
reserved
the
unit
and
keep
in
mind
when
that
units
been
reserved.
R
It's
been
reserved
for
months,
because
they're
waiting
for
BPD
a
certification
and
everything
else,
every
time
a
household
doesn't
reserve
that
unit
if
they
get
certified
and
they
wait
30
days
and
then
they
tell
the
property
I'm
no
longer
interested.
That
unit
then
gets
back
added
back
to
the
inventory,
and
now
it's
going
to
take
another
three
or
four
months
to
fill
that
unit,
and
so
what
you're
going
to
end
up
with
is
what
we
have
at
some
of
the
properties
that
I'm
working
out
right
now
via
Benjamin
that
have
50,
affordable
units.
R
It's
going
to
take
them
an
extra
six
months
to
fill
vacant
units
that
are
right
there
and
so
I.
Put
in
the
back
of
this.
Some
of
the
suggestions
that
I
have
the
BPD
in
Boston,
fair
housing
and
probably
roll
their
eyes,
because
I've
been
talking
about
this
stuff
to
them
for
three
and
four
years.
But
you
know,
there's
been
little
change.
I'd
also
just
note
that,
right
now
we
have
I'm
involved
in
six
different
properties
that
have
a
hundred
and
ninety
affordable
units
that
are
going
to
be
coming
online
before
they
will
be
occupied.
R
So
that's
not
part
of
that
hundred
and
three.
These
are
out
there's
a
hundred
and
ninety
units,
where
we
either
just
got
approval
on
the
marketing
plan
or
we're
still
waiting
for
like
at
South
Bay
and
those
units
are
going
to
be
coming
online
sometime
in
early
2019.
Some
of
them
are
coming
online
in
a
month
or
two
and
the
way
that
this
process
shakes
out
households
will
not
be
moving.
R
If
we
got
approval
to
for
Southbay,
households
wouldn't
be
able
to
move
into
those
units
until
maybe
March,
April
or
May
of
next
year,
just
because
of
the
timeline
that
I
have
here.
So
there's
a
lot
of
other
units
that
aren't
part
of
that.
You
know
103
that
they're
saying,
but
so
there's
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
other
issues
too,
with
the
city
or
not
with
the
city,
but
with
the
program
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time.
R
I
mean
I,
can
defer
to
you
and
sure
you
have
a
lot
to
say
as
well,
but
real
quickly.
I
will
say
that
a
major
concern
for
me
is
that
we
want
to
talk
about
households
being
rent
burdened
right
now.
The
city
doesn't
really
have
a
very
clear
definition
of
what
rent
burden
is
and
they
defer
to
what
the
management
company
uses
to
qualify,
households
for
market
rate
units.
R
So
if
a
management
company
says
a
household
has
to
make
three
times
their
rent
and
there
they
have
somebody
apply
for
a
$3,000
month
apartment
that
household
has
to
make
roughly
$9,000
a
month
and
they
can
apply
that
same
standard
to
somebody
who's
applying
for
a
$1000
a
month.
Apartment
what's
happening,
though,
is
you
have
you
have
national
management
companies
and
developers
coming
into
Boston
and
they
have
gone
to?
Some
of
these
have
gone
to
a
no
rent
to
income
ratio
check.
R
They
do
credit
only
so
if
you
have
a
household
who
wants
to
lease
a
$1,500
a
month,
affordable
apartment
and
they
only
make
$1,000
a
month,
but
they
have
good
credit,
they
will
get
approved
and
we
all
know
that
a
household
that's
making
$1,000
a
month
cannot
afford
rent
that's
$1,500
a
month
and
there
should
be
some
standard
in
place
that
prevents
management
companies
from
and
management
companies,
and
the
issue
with
this
is
management.
Companies
can't
impose
a
requirement
on
the
affordable
applicants,
that's
more
stringent
or
stricter
than
their
market
rate
policies.
A
P
Ahead.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
me
here
today.
My
name
is
tammy
polska
and
I
am
the
director
of
compliance
for
peabody
properties.
Peabody
has
been
involved
with
providing
affordable
housing
for
forty
five
years
in
the
state
of
Massachusetts,
either
through
development,
marketing
and,
of
course,
management.
I
have
a
lot.
I
could
say:
I
was
really
hoping
that
the
individuals
from
BPD
a
and
D
and
D
would
be
here
because
there's
some
things
I
think
they
need
to
hear
I.
P
P
Mr.
Gerhardt,
okay,
so
um
because
it's
getting
late
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
time
for
the
public
to
speak
as
well,
I'm
just
gonna
hit
on
one
area.
That
I
think
is
my
biggest
concern:
I'm
gonna
talk
about
the
lottery
process
and
how
it
works.
Currently,
there
are
two
two
processes
in
effect
effect:
one
is
through
Boston
for
Housing
Commission,
which
is
part
of
D&D
beady-bead
EPA
and
in
mass
housing,
so
I'm
going
to
go
over
the
Boston,
fair
housing
which
has
been
given
to
us.
P
So
as
of
2018,
basically
again,
the
first
thing
we
do
is
we
have
to
submit
it
out
to
them
for
them
to
review.
They
have
two
business
days.
They
or
two
excuse
me,
two
weeks
in
which
to
review
that
data
and
give
us
either
a
an
approval
or
come
back
with
us
with
some
requested
Corrections.
If
there's
any
errors
in
that
ad,
you
have
to
resubmit
it
and
that
whole
two-week
process
starts
over
again.
P
I
just
had
that
happen
on
a
property
that
we're
actually
trying
to
get
off
the
ground
in
Dorchester,
it's
called
Harmon
apartments.
It's
a
great
property.
We're
really
really
excited
about
it,
but
there's
been
multiple
delays
and
getting
this
off
the
ground.
We
just
found
out
today
again
that
we're
having
some
issues
with
the
lottery
itself
and
the
application
list,
so
we're
having
to
resubmit
that
now,
for
the
third
time,
that's
added
a
month
to
this
whole
process,
but
let
me
get
back
to
the
process.
P
So
it's
two
weeks
for
them
to
review
the
ad
once
it's
approved.
We
have
two
weeks
to
do
continue
with
the
outreach
in
the
marketing
of
the
property.
Then
there's
four
weeks.
They
said
earlier
two
weeks,
but
there's
actually
four
weeks
of
the
application
process
that
is
open
to
both
online
applicants,
as
well
as
those
who
prefer
to
submit
paper
applications
for
an
additional
one
and
a
half
weeks.
P
The
application
itself
has
become
extremely
long.
A
lottery
application
should
contain
very
minimal
information
for
a
household,
this
particular
application
that
they
have
basically
has
60
plus
questions
on
there
and
all
of
that
data
gets
transferred
on
this
application.
So
when
a
paper
application
comes
in,
we
now
have
to
enter
all
of
that
data
on
the
spreadsheet.
P
So
after
the
paper
applications
that
want
now
to
receive,
then
of
course
it
all
goes
back
to
the
Boston
Fair
Housing
Commission.
Again
again,
they
have
two
weeks
to
review
all
of
the
data.
If
there's
any
Corrections
and
I
guarantee
you,
there
will
always
be
corrections
again
when
you've
received
2,500
applications,
there's
going
to
be
something
that
we
might
over
oversee
or
we
don't
catch.
Excuse
me.
P
We
have
three
different
eyes
looking
at
at
any
given
time,
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
as
efficient
as
we
possibly
can
be,
but
ultimately,
when
we
get
it
sent
to
them,
they're
going
to
send
it
back
with
some
additional
Corrections.
Some
of
those
I
believe
are
just
inconsistencies
and
they
don't
understand,
and
the
biggest
issue
I
have
and
I
think
Brian
can
relate
based
on
what
he
just
said
with
some
of
these
other
requirements
is
they're,
very
reactive,
they're,
not
proactive.
P
If
you
let
us
know
in
advance
exactly
what
you're
looking
for
and
what
you
need,
we
will
make
sure
we
abide
by
that.
We've
been
in
business
for
forty
five
years.
We
have
DHCD
and
mass
housing
coming
to
us
all.
The
time
asking
for
us
to
take
over
properties
that
are
struggling
because
owners
or
managers
are
not
properly
doing
their
job
and
they
ask
us
to
step
in
and
take
over.
P
We
know
what
we're
doing
we're
really
good
at
what
we
do
and
that's
what
we're
asking
them
to
do
is
allow
us
to
do
our
job.
So
after
they've
reviewed
the
applications
logs
and
they
finally
approve
them,
then
they
can
actually
schedule
the
lottery
that
takes
about
an
additional
one
and
a
half
weeks,
one
they
schedule
it.
So
it's
based
on
their
availability
on
when
they
can
actually
hold
it.
P
And
then,
of
course,
we
have
to
notify
all
the
applicants
that
the
all
of
the
lottery
is
going
to
be
held,
so
we
have
to
send
out
letters
or
emails
to
everyone
to
advise
them
of
the
date
time
in
the
location
at
the
conclusion
of
the
lottery
and
depending
upon
the
number
of
preferences
and
the
complexity
of
the
sort,
it
could
take
an
additional
three
to
four
days
for
us
on
the
management
side.
To
actually
do
that
sort
again,
it's
very
very
cumbersome.
There's
a
lot
involved.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
miss
anyone
or
put
somebody.
You
know
in
a
category
that
they
don't
belong
and
then
we're
done
with
that.
It
actually
takes
an
additional
two
weeks
for
Boston
for
housing
to
review
and
approve
that
I
have
not
been
through
that
process
with
them.
Yet
we're
going
through
our
very
first
project
with
them
right
now
we're
still
waiting
to
actually
get
the
lottery
scheduled
because
we're
still
waiting
on
the
applicant
log
so
we'll
see
how
that
process
goes.
P
Basically,
the
process
is
taking
over
15
plus
weeks
before
we
can
actually
start
interviewing
applicants,
processing
their
files
and
offer
them
a
place
to
call
home
keeping
in
mind
the
15
weeks
assumes
a
smooth
process
and
that
there
are
no
Corrections
required
at
any
time
during
this
process,
which
again
is
going
to
be
nearly
impossible.
The
second
approach
is
through
DHCD
and
mass
housing
after
approval
of
the
fermentor,
fair
housing,
marketing
and
tenant
selections
plans,
which
are
typically
done
way
in
advance.
P
We
have
some
that
we've
worked
on,
you
know
a
year
in
advance
a
year
and
a
half
in
advance.
It's
something
that's
been
in
the
works
for
a
long
time,
because
we
do
have
developers
and
with
our
help,
we
put
you
know
we
put
up
by
that
information
in
the
process,
but
the
difference
is
they
rely
upon
and
trust
us
to
carry
out
our
requirements
of
the
plan.
There's
no
active
participation
in
no
monitoring
at
any
time.
P
During
the
process,
the
process
has
been
in
practice
for
several
years
with
minimal
to
no
adverse
effects
from
the
start
of
the
outreach
to
the
conclusion
of
the
lottery
sort.
The
timeline
is
approximately
ten
weeks
a
significant
difference
between
the
way
they
can't
others
and
the
way
that
Boston
Fair
Housing
does.
During
my
discussion
today,
I've
identified
at
least
one
area
of
inefficiency
we
are
experiencing
with
that
process.
It
is
clear
to
me
that
they
believe
passionately
and
what
they
do
and
provide
a
valuable
service
to
our
city.
P
My
intent
is
not
to
demean
or
depreciate
their
efforts,
but
to
bring
to
the
surface
processes
that
are
currently
inefficient,
inefficient,
but
could
be
improved
with
a
few
adjustments.
The
Boston
Fair
Housing
Commission
went
from
being
an
agency
whose
responsibility
was
was
to
eliminate
discrimination
and
increase
access
to
housing.
Through
investigation
enforcement
has
turned
into
micromanaging
the
business
side
of
the
process
without
regard
to
how
it
impacts
the
developer's
owner
agents
and,
ultimately,
the
people
who
are
urgently
trying
to
find
housing
for
without
all
there
would
be
no
housing
to
provide.
P
There
needs
to
be
a
level
of
trust
and
the
people
who
are
trying
to
carry
out
the
policies
and
procedures
that
have
been
established
and
allow
us
to
do
our
job.
Without
intervention
mistakes
will
happen,
things
will
sometimes
be
overlooked,
but
it
is
never
malicious
or
intentional
and
usually
always
correctable
in
order
to
get
through
the
red
tape
and
delays
we
are
currently
experiencing.
P
I
am
recommending
a
committee
be
form
that
includes
individuals
from
all
phases
of
the
affordable
housing
process,
including
city
and
agency
officials,
developers,
owners
and
management
agents,
and
to
discuss
possible
revisions
to
streamline
the
process
and
make
it
less
cumbersome
for
all
yet
maintaining
the
integrity
of
their
programs
in
the
process.
Thank
you.
On
a
side
note
and
listening
to
all
the
discussion,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
offering
additional
60
percent
units.
I
can
honestly
tell
you.
P
We
actually
struggle
to
fill
the
60
percent
units
either
people
are
under
the
minimum
income
requirements
and
we
do
have
a
minimum
rent
to
income
ratio
because
we
are
looking
out
for
the
benefit
of
the
individuals
that
are
living
there
and
either
they're
below
or
they're
way
over.
There
is
a
significant
need
for
housing
closer
to
the
50
percent
ami
range,
most
of
the
lotteries.
P
You've
got
30%
and
then
you
have
your
60
and
when
we're
looking
at
the
minimum
income
there,
a
lot
of
them
are
over
40
or
excuse
me
over
30,
but
they
don't
make
enough
for
the
60s,
so
there's
a
large
gap
of
people
that
were
not
able
to
house.
So
if
we
try
to
work
with
the
developers
to
getting
that
ami
and
getting
some
more
of
those
50
percent
units,
we
would
be
doing
a
huge
service
to
to
everyone
out
there.
Thank.
A
How
many
boston
red
are
actually
being
put
out
of
your
units
that
you
are
managing
as
well.
Not
just
the
frustration
for
us
is
global.
It
isn't
just
about
being
putting
people
in
housing.
It's
also
about
keeping
them
there
and
so
and
I
would
also
encourage
you
developers
to
rise
to
the
occasion
to
help
with
that
in
terms
of
the
affordable
and
and
also
with
it,
with
the
applications.
I've
sat
with
people
and
done
the
multiple
applications
and
I
remember
Peabody,
having
an
application
Avalon
having
an
application
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
P
Our
director
of
component
and
compliance,
her
name
is
Dorinda
Donovan.
She
worked
for
mass
housing
for
many
many
years,
she's,
actually
on
a
committee
of
various
individuals
who
are
trying
to
come
together
and
get
a
universal
application.
So
we
can,
you
know,
cut
down
on
the
multiples.
So
that
is
definitely
something
that's
been
in
the
works.
Sure.
A
So
so
tell
me
more
about
the
private
markets
leadership
there.
Beyond
the
conversation
and
I
know,
we
called
for
a
uniform
one
from
the
city,
but
it
seems
like
if
we're
that
inefficient
at
the
city
level
and
we're
not
able
to
move
a
uniform
application,
it
seems
like
the
top.
Maybe
10
developers
in
Boston
could
right
now
put
your
heads
together
and
come
up
with
one
shouldn't.
Be
that
difficult,
absolutely.
K
P
Basic
streamline
it's
once
that
person
is
offered
a
unit
and
we
start
the
interview
process
at
that
point.
Yes,
then,
we
get
into
a
more
detailed
application
asking
for
all.
You
know
everything
that
we
need
to
help
determine
eligibility
but
I'm
with
you
initially,
it
should
be
very,
very
basic
with
minimal
information,
no.
R
Right
I
was
sat
on
a
committee
yesterday
with
Chapa
Rachel
Heller,
and
we
that
was
a
discussion
of
it,
was
how
do
we
simplify
the
application
process?
Who
administers
that?
How
how
is
it
database
look
how's,
the
application?
Look?
How
do
we
make
it
so
much
easier
for
applicants,
not
only
just
the
application
but
access
to
housing,
because
there's
so
many
affordable
units
and
so
many
different
program
across
the
whole
entire
Commonwealth,
not
just
in
the
city
of
Boston
that
we
have
people.
R
Dozens
of
us
contacting
us
all
every
single
day
saying
what
housing
is
you
know
in
in
Wrentham
or
what
housing
is
in
Framingham
or
anywhere
else.
So
we
are
I
mean
we're
we're
trying
to
do
that
and
the
city
the
city
has
to
their
credit
they're.
The
the
online
application
we
think
is
is
huge,
hugely
efficient.
It
really
does
improve
the
process.
They
didn't
ask
for
any
of
our
input.
R
R
So
hopefully
there
will
be
improvements
with
that,
but
it's
it's
a
good
model
to
follow
for,
for
other
properties.
There's
a
lot
of
inherent
difficulty,
though,
in
coming
up
with
one
single
application,
when
every
program
has
a
little
different
nuances
and
income
limits
are
a
little
bit
different
priorities
can
be
a
little
bit
different,
but
I
mean
we.
We
are
trying
to
tackle
that.
Okay.
A
B
P
I,
don't
have
that
information.
I
can't
tell
you.
We
have
three
properties
again
that
are
all
in
the
Boston
area,
so
it's
coppersmith
Village,
which
is
in
East
Boston.
We're
actually
doing
the
application
phase
on
that
right
now
and
there
are
41
again
affordable
units.
Actually,
eight
of
those
are
homeless.
So
those
are
direct
referrals
from
home
start
and
then
the
remainders
are
60%.
As
I
mentioned
earlier.
We
have
harmon
apartments,
that's
in
Dorchester
and
there's
approximately
37
units
there.
The
lottery
has
not
been
conducted,
but
the
application
process
has
ended
on
that
one.
P
So,
unfortunately,
anyway,
we
still
welcome
everyone
to
apply
by
all
means
and
of
course
they
do
go
on
a
post
lottery
waitlist.
If
you
will,
then
our
other
property
is
West
rocks
or
actually
it's
called
oak
row,
which
is
in
West
Roxbury.
That
is
one
of
the
IDP
properties
that
they
were
speaking
about
earlier.
There's
ten
affordable
units
on
that.
P
As
far
as
additional
vacancies,
it's
a
little
tough
because
again,
when
you're
talking
with
about
HUD
properties,
there
are
existing,
wait
lists
and
we
need
to
fill
those
with
those
individuals
that
are
on
the
wait
list
for
those
individual
properties.
If
the
wait
list
is
closed,
though
they're
not
accepting
additional
applicants
at
this
time,
but
I
mean
we
can
certainly
try
to
pull
some
numbers
together
for
you
as
well.
I'd.
R
K
R
Well
so
some
of
them
the
units
were
coming
yeah.
We
ran
the
lottery,
the
screening
from
the
leasing
offices
and
then
the
turnover
of
households,
because
one
thing
that
happens
is
some:
applicants
apply
to
multiple
lockers
and
right
now
they
have
no
incentive,
there's
no
deposit
that
they
have
to
give
and
they
can
put
in.
R
R
Oh
thank
you,
but
I've
moved
into
a
unit
two
and
a
half
months
ago
and
I
add
another
property,
and
so
then
we
go
and
then
the
management
company,
because
we're
not
the
management
company,
we're
not
the
developer,
were
entirely
a
consultant
that
helps
try
to
navigate
this
process
for
the
developers
and
for
the
management
companies
we
got
hired
by
both.
But
so
then
the
management
company
will
go
to
the
next
household
on
the
waiting
list
screen
them
get
them
to
reserve
you
and
then
that
three
four
month
process
starts
again.
R
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now:
those
are
out
of
40
units,
that's
out
of
about
200
units
that
came
online
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
you
don't
get
all
200
units
reserved
and
moved
into
in
one
fell
swoop.
There's
this
kind
of
long
tail
at
the
end
of
it.
If
you
will
of
a
little
bit
of
churn,
you
know
from
households
that
end
up
getting
certified
and
don't
move
in,
which
is
a
currency,
which
is
a
concern.
R
Why,
when
you
have
an
applicant
and
a
lot
of
this
is
transparency-
and
you
know
trying
to
provide
applicants
with
as
much
information
as
possible
and
I
would
understand.
I
would
do
the
same
thing
if
I
could,
if
I
could
reserve
three
different
units
and
I
wanted
to
live
in
Brighton,
but
I
was
I,
came
up
earlier
in
something
in
the
Southend
and
I'm
waiting
for
my
application
be
processed
and
then
the
leasing
office
in
Brighton
says:
hey.
We
have
a
unit
available
for
you.
R
I
would
say
great
I'm
going
to
reserve
that
one
too,
and
so
it's
not
a
fault
of
the
applicants.
It
makes
sense,
but
there's
just
really
nothing
in
place
to
prevent
them
from
doing
that.
The
city
doesn't
even
have
a
database
of
all
the
households
who
have
reserved
units
so
that,
like
a
management
company,
could
then
chuck
when
they
say:
okay,
congratulations.
You
have
a
unit
reserved.
Oh
I,
see
that
you
have
another
reservation
at
this
other
property
in
a
different
part
of
town
in
some
requirement.
R
That
would
require
the
applicant
to
make
a
decision
at
that
point
because
there's
a
certain
you
can
accommodate
applicants
so
much.
But
if
you
accommodate
them
too
much
it's
at
the
detriment
of
everybody,
that's
waiting
behind
them
on
these
waiting
lists,
and
so,
when
you
give
an
applicant
the
ability
to
reserve
three
units.
R
Well,
the
applicants
that
are
on
the
waiting
lists
of
those
two
properties
that
they're
not
going
to
move
into
it's
going
to
take
them
that
much
longer
to
actually
get
to
move
into
those
units,
because
they're
they're
occupying
units
that
they're
not
playing
and
I'm
moving
in
too.
And
so
there
is
this
fine
balance
between.
L
No
just
thank
you
guys
for
your
patience
in
your
testimony
and
I
was
gonna.
Ask
a
similar
question
to
councilor
sabi,
George
and
just
sort
of
the
numbers
that
we're
talking
about.
That
would
be
helpful
and
it's
I
knew
Peabody
was
involved
with
the
Harmon
project,
which
is
in
d4
I've,
been
following
that
and
sending
folks
to
you
guys
into
just
to
be
a
part
of
the
process
before
interested
in
those
units
which,
of
course,
are
very
specialized
really.
P
L
K
P
Worried
that
we're
gonna
get
the
CEO
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
house
people
as
quickly
as
we
want.
We
are
dealing
with
a
very
specialized
population
of
primarily
disabled
individuals,
and
it
does
take
them
a
little
bit
longer
to
be
able
to
set
up
an
appointment
and
come
in
and
see
us
so
that
in
and
of
itself
is
going
to
delay
it.
So
when
we're
being
delayed
on
the
front
end
again,
it
makes
me
a
little
bit
nervous
and
you
know
unfortunate
for
the
developer
and
the
owners
they
have.
P
These
are
tax
credit
units.
They
have
a
delivery
date
of
December
31st.
If
they
don't
meet
it
by
then
they
lose
an
enormous
amount
of
money.
So
then
the
pressure
is
then
back
on
us
again
to
do
everything
we
possibly
have
to
do
to
make
sure
we
get
those
units
you
know
occupied
with
these
individuals,
so
it's
gonna
mean
a
lot
of
long
hours,
but
that's
what
we
do
know.
P
So
the
first
thing
is
a
DA
whoever
needed
an
ad
a
unit
because
they
have
some
type
of
disability,
they're
going
to
be
top
of
the
preference
list
and
then
we're
going
to
look
at
those
features
and
those
services
and
ownership
is
still
trying
to
determine
whether
they
want
to
make
the
service
as
a
priority
or
the
features.
But
there's
like
13
features
and
there's
like
six
preferences
and
they're
going
to
them,
break
them
up,
like
1,
2,
4,
5
to
9
9
to
13
for
the
features
and
then
do
the
same
for
services.
P
So
then,
we're
gonna
have
to
take
those
and
kind
of
group
those
in
to
just
determine
who
needs
them.
It
really
needs
those
features
and
those
services
and
then
kind
of
create
the
wait
list
and
the
preference
lists
based
on
all
of
that.
It's
I,
don't
think
it's
something.
That's
ever
been
done
before.
So
again,
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
very
interesting
sort
to
go
through
all
of
that,
it's
gonna
take
a
while
to
do
it.
Thank.
A
A
A
S
Hi
I'm
Hilary,
Peyser,
hi
I'm,
representing
the
mass,
affordable
housing
Alliance
I,
can
be
really
brief.
Just
wanted
to
offer,
in
addition
to
Metro
list,
I
administer
an
online
searchable
database
where
people
who
create
an
account
I
I,
get
from
people
like
Brian,
angler
and
Peabody
properties
that
just
home
ownership
units
I
have
been
getting.
The
nhi
units
from
DND
I
have
not
regularly
been
getting
IDP
units
from
the
BP
da
and
haven't
been
able
to
find
a
contact
there
to
make
that
work.
But
that's
something
where
people
can
just
go
to
our
website.
S
You
create
an
account
very
simple,
and
then
you
specify
where
you
might
like
to
live,
and
it
can
be
one
neighborhood.
It
could
be
18
towns,
it
can
be
five
unit
neighborhoods
of
Boston
and
then
every
time,
I
post
a
unit
in
a
neighborhood
that
this
person
has
specified.
They
get
an
email
that
says:
hey
somebody
just
posted
a
unit
that
you
might
be
interested
in.
You
should
go
to
their
site
and
check
it
out.
S
That's
just
another
resource
for
people
who
are
looking
and
love
to
work
with
the
BPD.
A
just
like
we
work
with
D
and
E
and
people
throughout
the
Commonwealth.
It's
not
just
met
and
not
just
Boston
and
that's
just
another
resource,
and
if
your
constituents
want
to
figure
out
how
do
I
know
about
these
things,
that's
one
way
to
know
about
them.
Thank
you.
K
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Jean
Shirley.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
oh
so
much
to
mention
so
I.
Just
recently
hooked
up
with
the
group
Boston
homeless
solidarity
committee
met
Michael
on
Sunday
and
he
asked
if
I
would
be
willing
to
come
here
and
speak.
I
will
try
to
be
quick.
This
just
so
much
to
mention.
I
was
homeless.
On
the
streets
from
June
of
2015
to
June
of
2017,
I
was
fully
employed.
I
was
never
not
employed,
I
actually
work
on
Beacon
Hill.
It
didn't
make
any
sense
to
me
how
this
could
happen.
T
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Boston
Massachusetts
lived
here.
The
majority
of
my
life
I
left
here
when
I
was
30
years
old,
because
I
couldn't
afford
to
raise
my
children
here
so
I
had
to
leave
to
move
to
the
suburbs,
but
I
ended
up
coming
back
to
Boston
because
of
a
snowstorm
of
things
economy.
Housing
crisis
during
2008
domestic
violence
couldn't
keep
a
roof
over.
T
My
head
couldn't
keep
a
roof
over
my
children's
head,
so
I
ended
up
moving
back
in
sorry,
I'm
moving
back
in
with
my
parents,
who
were
in
the
80s
who
were
born
and
raised
in
Boston,
Massachusetts
I'm,
a
fifth
generation
Bostonian,
my
entire
family,
as
far
back
as
I
know,
has
always
lived
in
Boston.
So
when
I
was
living
in
Boston
living
under
my
parents,
roof
working
in
Boston
became
homeless
in
Boston
I
couldn't
wrap
my
head
around
it.
T
I
have
a
lot
of
art
lot
to
offer
and
I
just
couldn't
wrap
my
head
around
it.
A
lot
of
people
couldn't
wrap
their
head
around
it,
but
it
happened
and
it
was
real.
I
had
an
accident
playing
with
my
son
over
at
Castle
Island
he's
my
youngest
and
I
broke
my
ankle,
and
that
was
on
June
14th
of
2015
and
two
weeks
later,
my
parents
who
had
lived
in
High
Park
for
forty
five
years
because
of
age
and
health
they
had
to
you
know
they
were
thinking
about
moving
out
of
the
city.
T
They
thought
it
would
take
about
six
months
to
sell
their
home.
It
took
one
day
so
on
June
30th
they
sold
their
home
and
I
was
having
surgery
on
my
ankle
and
when
I
went
into
rehab
after
having
surgery
when
I
after
leaving
rehab
I
had
nowhere
to
go
so
I
ended
up
at
the
barber
McGinnis
house
and
after
the
barber,
McGuiness
house,
I
was
there
for
about
three
weeks
and
then
I
had
nowhere
to
go.
T
So
I
hobbled
over
to
Rosie's
place
with
my
crutches
and
my
green
garbage
bag,
which
was
holding
all
of
my
belongings
and
I
started
that
journey
of
moving
along
trying
to
figure
out
where
I
was
going
to
stay
every
night,
trying
to
get
to
work
every
day
by
8:30
in
the
morning
on
Beacon
Hill
up
the
up
the
hill
with
crutches,
not
fun.
Meanwhile,
I'm
a
single
mother
with
three
children
I,
had
to
forfeit
custody
of
my
children
to
my
ex-husband,
who
was
my
abuser
because
I
hadn't
couldn't
put
a
roof
over
our
head.
T
T
You
guys
were
talking
about
how
inundating
and
the
paper
and
I
don't
know
how
they
expect
homeless
people
to
keep
track
of
all
the
paper.
The
applications,
the
letters
that
you
get
back
from
people
saying
that
you're
on
their
list
in
2017,
when
I
got
housed
in
June
of
2017
I,
live
right
down
here
at
Avalon,
North
Station
through
a
lottery,
my
rent
is
$1600
a
month
and
I
got
an
affordable
unit.
T
So
when
you
guys
talk
about
the
debate
about
affordable
units
$1600
a
month
for
a
single
mother
of
three
children
is
not
affordable,
but
I
was
homeless
and
I
took
it.
It's
a
very,
very
huge
struggle
every
single
month,
but
I'm
not
becoming
homeless.
Again
so
I,
don't
know
how
I'm
gonna
pull
that
off.
I
have
a
full-time
in
a
part-time
job
and
three
children
when
I
moved
into
that
place.
T
I
had
to
take
all
of
my
paperwork
with
me,
because
I
didn't
want
to
lose
one
piece
of
paper,
because
all
of
it
is
very
important
if
you
don't
keep
track
of
the
paperwork
that
they
give
you
that
you
send
out.
It's
all
got
your
social
on
it.
It
has
your.
You
have
to
submit
your
pay
stubs.
Your
tax
returns.
All
of
that
important
documents
that
the
world-wide-web
tells
you
to
be
very
careful
with
you're
sending
it
to
people.
T
So
I
had
a
30
gallon
Rubbermaid
been
full
of
all
of
my
paper,
because
I
was
trying
to
keep
track
of
it
all
when
I
moved
in
there,
I
was
working
with
home
start
to
get
the
rapid
rehousing
funding
two
and
a
half
months
later,
because
they
hadn't
gotten
the
rapid
rehousing
funding
to
the
leasing
office.
I
got
an
eviction
notice
after
being
homeless
for
two
and
a
half
years,
so
I.
T
What
I
ended
up
having
to
do
with
skin
that
eviction
notice
find
out
the
email
of
the
person
who
was
the
top
dog
over
at
home
start
and
say
yo
what's
happening,
I
am
NOT
becoming
homeless.
That
is
only
two
of
the
many
many
things
that
happen
while
you're
out
there
for
two
and
a
half.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
U
My
name
is
Kathy
Brown
and
I
work
for
the
Boston
tenet
coalition
and
the
Boston
tenant
Coalition
is
a
coalition
of
tenant,
housing,
homeless
and
CUNY
groups
working
to
try
to
get
more
low-income
housing
and
protect
and
expand
tenant
rights
and
I'm
really
glad
that
you're
doing
this
hearing.
It
would
be
really
great
to
have
some
other
hearings
we
didn't
realize,
but
we
thought
that
it
was
kind
of
more
narrowly
focused
on
the
issue
of
the
waiting
units,
the
waiting
units.
So
we
didn't
like
mobilize,
but
this
is
an
issue
that's
Boston.
U
Tenant
Coalition
has
inclusionary.
Development
has
played
a
leadership
role
in
the
campaigns
around
inclusionary
development
when
it
was
formed
in
2000
and
2005,
when
some
improvements
were
made
2013
and
we're
having
an
organizing
meeting
tomorrow,
I
mean
we've
been
working
on
this
throughout
we
have
a
coalition,
that's
been
working
on
inclusionary
development,
bigger
issues
and
smaller
issues
and
are
really
excited
that
this
year
the
mayor
has
said
that
he's
willing
to
look
at
the
big
issues
in
terms
of
the
set-aside.
U
You
know
the
length
of
affordability,
the
affordability
levels,
all
those
things,
so
we
the
in
addition,
so
just
in
relation
to
the
set-aside
numbers,
were
saying
most
advocacy
groups
and
what
we
had
in
our
coalition
before
when
we've
had
like
a
thousand
signatures.
Whatnot
was
asking
for
25
percent
and
in
Jamaica
Plain,
where
I
live.
That's
what
the
Jaypee
neighborhood
council
asked
for
is
25
percent,
affordable
and
just
through
pushing.
U
That
I
think
that
those
issues
should
be
looked
at
more
than
you
know
the
what's
best
for
developers
in
terms
of
you
know
getting
market
units
online
so
anyway,
I
think
that's
really
important.
Just
I
guess
I
want
to
say
a
few
things
in
any
way.
We
have
actually
done
some
studies
on
operation
and
issue
of
you
know
several.
These
different
issues,
including
the
tax
revenue,
which
is
a
really
important
point
around
using
all
this
tax
revenue
that
has
come
in
from
housing.
U
You
know
towards
affordable
housing,
but
just
on
IVP
I
guess
a
couple
of
issues
the
on
the
bigger
issue
of
affordability.
It
is
so
it
is
so
out
of
whack
and
your
time
of
area,
median
Boston
median
income,
and
that's
really
good
and
what's
really
important.
I
know
that
we've
sent
this
information
to
you
before
is.
But
when
you
look
by
race
and
you
look
at
median
incomes,
Latino
Latino
residents
are
twice
it
would
cost
twice
the
median
income
of
Latinos
to
afford
a
70%
a
rent.
It
is
almost
half
for
black
black
Asian
tenants.
A
U
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
just
a
couple
of
things:
well,
it's
great
that
it's
being
switched
over
to
D&D
and
and
D&D.
You
know:
we've
been
working
them
on
some
fair
housing
work,
that's
really
important
and
that's
what
I
want
to
emphasize
as
it's
moving
over
to
as
it
has
moved
over
in
terms
of
efficiency
and
I.
U
There
was
a
thing
of
like
the
city
should
market
all
the
affordable
units
in
one
place,
you
know
versus
all
these
different
places
and
also
you
know
the
nonprofits
and
the
home
center
that
was
actually
in
their
affordable
housing
plans
in
the
home
center
should
should
market
all
the
units
and
I.
Just
I
was
just
actually
helping
people
fill
out.
U
Applications
for
the
Coe
have
project
in
Dorchester,
the
coach
of
occupant
homes
in
foreclosure
and
because
it
luckily
that's
really
great
BPD
a
on
an
IDP
project-
is
helping
the
the
rich
developer,
who's
doing
a
project
down
here
in
Beacon
Hill
his
doing
his
IDP
requirement
by
redeveloping
some
foreclosed
properties
for
affordably,
and
so
that
is
really
good.
But
we
were
taking
all
these
applications
in.
So
many
people
couldn't
afford
the
70%
ami
units
again.