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Docket #0389 - re: condominium conversion protections in the City of Boston
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A
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C
C
F
G
C
No
problem,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
in
the
time
you
could.
So
since
we
it's
1002
and
we
got
some
work
to
do,
and
I
think
we
all
are
really
excited
to
to
make
this
the
strongest
version
of
the
condo
conversion
bill
that
we
can.
So
I
will
formally
just
go
ahead
and
start
good
morning.
Everyone
I'm
councillor
lydia
edwards,
chair
of
housing
and
community
development
committee.
It
is
monday
july
27,
2020
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
working
session
on
zero.
C
Three
eight
nine
order
for
hearing
regarding
the
condo
conversion,
condominium
conversion
protections
in
the
city
of
boston,
I'm
the
sponsor
of
this-
and
it
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
february
12th,
in
accordance
with
governor
baker's,
may
12
excuse
me
march
12th
executive
order,
modifying
open
meeting
laws.
We
are
able
to
have
this
meeting
on
zoom.
This
enables
us
to
continue
out
our
responsibilities
about
adhering
to
public
safety
and
accommodations
laws
and
necessities.
This
the
public
may
watch
this
meeting
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
city
dash
council
tv.
C
So
we
have
folks
from
the
administration
here.
We
also
have
been
joined
by
my
colleagues
who
I
will
announce
and
I
probably
may
not
get
the
order
perfectly.
My
apologies,
but
I
have
counselor
bach
counselor
braden
counselor,
sabe
george,
and
that's
it
for
right
now
and
we've
been
joined
by
the
administration
chief
sheila
dillon,
deputy
director
of
policy
and
research,
tim
davis,
director
of
the
office
of
housing,
stability,
dominique
williams,
and
I
believe
amelia
is
with
najar's
with
tim
davis's
office.
Am
I
correct
in
the
policy
office
of
dmd?
C
I
hope
I
got
everybody
apologize.
If
I
missed
anybody.
The
other
we've
also
been
joined
by
I
I
have
to
just
acknowledge
our
expert
in
the
room
attorney
mac
mccrae
who's
been
working
on.
This
is
a
is
a
friend
to
all
and
a
guru
in
this
particular
area
as
with
most
working
sessions.
This
is
about
the
work
and
getting
into
the
language
and
making
sure
that
we
we
craft
the
strongest
bill
and
ordinance
for
our
city.
C
This
I
do
not
necessarily
have
to
take
public
testimony,
though
I
will,
if
there's
any
folks
who
do
want
to
join
and
may
have
a
comment
towards
the
end,
but
the
focus
is
really
getting
being
public
about
how
we're
negotiating
and
thinking
about
this
law.
With
that
being
said,
you
know
I'm
going
to
just
go
ahead
and
turn
it
right
over
to
the
administration
and
mac
and
really
get
down.
Excuse
me,
I
apologize
to
my
colleagues
if
you
had
opening
statements
or
any
thoughts
feel
free
at
this
time.
Counselor
bach.
B
A
G
Counselor
sabi
george
and
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
again
just
happy
to
be
here,
but
also
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
that
I
won't
be
here
very
long,
but
we'll
try
to
tune
back
in
and
certainly
review.
This
meeting
on,
I
want
to
say
on
tape
on
whatever,
on
whatever
it
exists,
but
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
everyone
who's
here
today.
G
C
D
No,
I
don't
have
any
formal
presentation
counselor,
you
know
we
have
all
wanted
to
strengthen
the
condo
ordinance
for
many
many
years
because
often
times
you
know
by
the
time
someone
does
a
condo.
It
does
a
condo
conversion.
The
building
is
emptied
out.
Tenants
are
long
gone.
We
need
to
find
a
way
that
it
is
forward-looking.
D
Not
you
know
relying
on
tenants
who
are
being
displaced
to
to
know
their
rights,
etc.
We
are
hampered
by
state
law,
and
I
I'm
that's
why
I'm
so
glad
that
mac
is
here
because
he
really
does
understand.
You
know
what
state
law
allows
us
to
do
and
not
do
he
is
the
expert
so
just
want
to
get
into
it,
but
I
I
really,
I
think
we
all
on
this
one.
We
all
share
the
same.
You
know
goal.
C
D
C
And
just
for
folks
education,
I'm
going
to
go
through
what
protections
we
have
currently
and
also
why
we're
doing
this
we're
doing
this
working
session,
because
the
condo
conversion
law
expired
technically
in
2019
and
it
was
for
a
five-year.
Excuse
me
a
five
year
extension.
So
the
original
one
happened
in
2009,
then
it
was
extended
through
to
2014
and
then
it
was
extended
again
in
2014
to
2019..
C
We
understood
that
there
was
a
lot
of
things
we
needed
to
get
done,
but
it
was
coming
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
so
we
extended
the
existing
protections,
which
I
will
go
through
for
one
year
to
give
us
the
time
and
the
ability
to
make
sure
we
got
the
strongest
law.
Those
protections
include
notice
periods
for
elderly,
disabled
and
low
to
moderate,
moderate
income,
tenants
to
be
given
a
five-year,
condo
conversion,
eviction
notice
before
landlord
convict
or
convert
for
a
condo.
All
of
the
tenants
are
entitled
to
a
one
year.
C
C
Relocation,
assistance
landlord
must
provide
elderly,
disabled
or
low
to
moderate
income,
tenants
with
assistance
in
locating
accessible
and
comparable
apartments
within
boston
limitations
on
rent
increases
for
those
that
do
stay
and
those
extended
leases
they
rent
increases
are
restricted
during
notice
period
to
percentage
increases
in
this
in
the
cpi
or
10
percent.
Whichever
is
less
just
cause.
C
Evictions
are
currently
part
of
the
protections
tenants
under
notice
may
not
be
evicted
without
a
good
reason
or
cause
and
landlords
must
provide
just
cause
in
court
and
relocation
benefit
depend
tenants
who
voluntarily
vacate
their
units
during
the
notice
period
and
are
current
in
their
repair.
Payments
are
entitled
to
relocation
benefits
from
the
landlord
as
of
december
3rd
2014,
when
the
ordinance
was
extended.
It's
ten
thousand
dollars
recall
relocation,
benefit
for
elderly,
disabled
and
low
to
moderate
income,
tenants
and
six
thousand
dollars
for
everyone
else.
C
I
think
it's
as
high
as
89
of
the
condo
conversions
are
happening
in
triple
deckers,
and
so,
as
a
result,
we
are
dealing
not
only
with
the
fact
that
the
law
limits
us
and
who
we
can
protect,
but
also
how
much
we
can
do
to
prevent
their
evictions,
especially
when,
as
sheila
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
clear
out.
So
people
will
just
say
I
bought
the
building
empty.
So
I
don't
owe
anybody
anything
so
we've
invited
counselor
excuse
me,
I'm
going
to
make
everyone
a
counselor
today,
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry.
C
We've
invited
attorney
matt
mccreath
for
greater
boston,
legal
services
to
walk
us
through
possibilities
for
strengthening
this
law.
To
answer
any
questions
as
well
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
being
able
to
make
this
as
strong
as
possible:
counselor
attorney
mac.
Okay.
So
sorry,
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
walk
us
through
some
suggestions
that
you
have
to
help
us
strengthen
the
law.
F
Boston
went
a
little
bit
too
far
and
so
had
to
go
back
in
1999
and
tweak
what
was
done,
and
so
what
we've
been
working
with
since
1999
has
been
that
basic
framework.
And
it's
because
that
statewide
law
says
you
cover
buildings
of
four
or
more.
You
can't
cover
under
four
that
you
have
the
problem
about
what
we
can
cover
and
what
we
can't
it.
F
The
statewide
law
also
on
the
supermajority,
requires
a
two-thirds
vote,
so
whenever
votes
are
done
by
this
by
the
council,
it's
not
been
a
simple
majority
vote
of
7-6.
It's
been
a
vote
where
I
think
there
needed
to
be
at
least
nine
votes
in
the
affirmative
and
further.
It
has
to
be
emergency
regulation,
which
means
that
there
needs
to
be
various
findings
of
fact
that
are
made
about
what
the
current
state
of
housing
emergency
is
in
the
area
and
it's
time
limited
and
so
usually
that
time
limit
has
been
a
five-year
increment.
F
F
But
the
way
the
owner
was
going
to
convert
that
to
condos
was
going
to
be
to
basically
do
gut
rehab
and
then
come
back
with
a
building
that
had
a
smaller
number
of
condos,
and
so
the
housing
court
judge.
There
said
well
the
condo
law,
as
the
city
currently
had
it
wouldn't
apply
there,
because
people
wouldn't
have
the
right
to
purchase
because
they
their
existing
unit,
wouldn't
be
purchasable,
because
the
units
would
all
get
reformulated
and
got
rehabbed,
and
so
it
was
just
a
hole
in
the
middle
of
the
ordinance.
F
I
know
I
remember
talking
about
this
during
one
of
your
working
sessions
last
year,
because
I
remember
greg
vassell
from
greater
boston,
real
estate
board
was
there
and
he
basically
said
yeah.
There
should
be
something
that
the
council
could
do
about.
Demolition
should
be
able
to
do
some
things
where
you're
being
able
to
sort
of
control
your
supply
in
one
way
or
another.
F
F
So
the
notion
would
be
that
before
you
do
a
fresh
conversion,
there
would
need
to
be
some
kind
of
approval
process.
For
that,
like
a
removal
permit,
and
the
notion
would
be
that
the
owner,
the
owners
coming
forward,
proposing
conversion
would
need
to
come
forward
with
all
their
information
about
the
tenancies
so
that
you'd
be
able
to
establish.
There
was
no
involuntary
displacement
that
took
place,
and
sometimes
if
it
was
like
somebody,
you
know
somebody
says
well,
I've
just
owned
it
for
two
months.
F
F
Now
the
notion
that
there's
be
some
city
regulation
on
this
is
a
different
step
than
what
we
currently
have
right.
Now,
there's
very
little
city
regulation
about
this
in
terms
of
an
agency
that
blesses
the
conversion
process,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
could
be
done
and
it's
the
only
way
that
you're
really
going
to
get
at
this
question
of.
Was
there
involuntary
conversion
or
not?
F
And
so
that
would
be
the
notion
and
when
we
chatted
about
this,
some,
I
think
at
the
time
we
did
the
drafting
on
this
last
summer.
Somerville
had
not
yet
passed
an
ordinance
somerville
since
then
has
passed
an
ordinance,
which
is
a
removal
permit
ordinance.
Now
somerville
is
a
little
bit
different
than
boston's,
because
somerville
can
cover
smaller
units
because
they
have
a
different
enabling
law,
but
the
concept
in
somerville
is
the
same.
F
We,
I
think
I
shared
with
council
staff
some
of
the
regulations
that
somerville
has
somerville's
housing.
Division
has
passed
on
this.
How
much
of
that
you
want
to
put
in
your
own
ordinance
versus
how
much
of
it
you
give
to
whoever
you're
going
to
make
be
the
body
that
would
regulate
this?
That's
really
your
call,
but
that's
the
notion.
C
F
H
C
C
C
I
think
I
think
it's
a
very
innovative
way
and
I'd
love
to
hear
the
administration's
thoughts
on
this
removal
permit
and
and
how
it
might
work
and
who
would
enforce
it
in
boston
if
possible,
and
then
I
I
don't
know
if
any
of
my
other
colleagues
after
me
or
after
the
administration
speaks.
Maybe
has
some
collective
ideas
and
thoughts
about
what
we
could
do,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
sheila
dillon.
I
see
counselor
flynn.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me,
but
I
can.
C
D
So
even
if
you
had
just
bought
the
building,
you
you
you
wouldn't
buy
that
building.
Unless
the
former
owner
was
giving
you
very,
very
good
information
about
who
was
living
there
certified
they
were
given
proper
notice.
All
you
know
all
of
that,
and
so
it
would
be
some
type
of
certification
that
that
they
were
coming
forward
to
some
city
agency.
Now
what
we
hadn't
done
is
we
hadn't
identified
the
city
agency
so
where
it
sits
isd,
is
it
with
dnd?
Is
it
some
combination
with
the
bpda?
I
don't
know.
D
We
can
certainly
talk
about
that
make
sense,
but
that
no
one
could
do
a
condo
conversion
without
providing
information
on
the
what
happened
to
those
tenants
a
year
back
and
making
sure
that
they
were
given
proper.
You
know
proper
notification
and
and
right
and
rights
under
the
condolence
excuse
me.
So
I
think
that
is
that's.
D
D
C
C
I
guess
is
my
first
question
so
when
you
go
to
submit
to
make
right
so,
if
they're
submitting
for
a
condo,
I
would
like
to
take
the
triple
decker
in
east
boston
and
make
three
condominiums,
I'm
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
that's
given
notice
to
the
city,
then
the
entity
that
gets
that
notice,
I
think,
is
isd
and
shouldn't
they
be
the
ones.
Then
that
turn
around
and
say
where's
your
where's,
your
demonstration
of
providing
notice
to
the
tenants.
F
So
right
now
there's
there
may
be
other
things
that
are
required
for
isd,
such
as
showing
construction
showing
whatever
else
is
required
for
the
rehab
that
they're
planning
for
the
property.
But
there
isn't
any
requirement
with
isd
to
give
the
notice-
and
in
fact,
when
the
revised
ordinance
was
passed
by
city
council
in
1999
it.
F
So
there
was
a
role
for
something
called
the
center,
which
was
the
old
rental
housing
resource
center,
which
used
to
be
the
rent
equity
board.
But
because
there
had
been
an
experience
where
the
real
estate
industry
had
been
concerned
about
too
much
regulation
by
the
rent
equity
board,
it
was
very
stripped.
So
what
was
in
the
1999
law
had
very
little
role
for
that
center.
F
There
is
no
rental
resource
center
anymore.
It
was
based
at
dnd
for
a
while,
but
it's
kind
of
folded
up,
so
the
office
of
housing.
Stabilization,
I
think,
is
the
closest
successor
to
that
body
in
terms
of
sort
of
role
that
it
takes
and
because
the
role
is
different
than
say,
the
isd
role.
Isd
role
is
far
more
looking
at
construction.
F
You
know
whether
or
not
there's
disruption
happening
to
services
during
construction.
Things
like
that
and
probably
would
be
more
so
an
entity
within
dnd.
But
again
I
left
this.
This
is
an
issue
to
be
sorted
out
between
the
administration
and
council.
I
certainly
wasn't
going
to
venture
into
that
thicket
about
where
people
oh.
C
Come
on
in
the
water's
fine
come
on
in
enjoy
okay,
so
so
the
question
I
think
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
and
for
my
colleagues
the
issue
that
we're
trying
to
resolve
or
think
about
is
again
the
building,
clear
outs
and
when
the
building
is
empty
and
people
then
purchase
it,
they
say:
there's
no
tenants
to
give
any
rights
to
right.
That's
one
thing
and
the
other
I
will.
Then
there
are
other
major
components
of
the
law
that
also
are
up
for
improvement.
C
Like
the
notice
periods,
counselor
flynn
had
thought
about
extending
those
the
right,
I
think
the
limitations
on
rent
increases.
We
were
wanted
to
talk
about
those
and
also
increasing
the
financial
rent
assistance,
so
those
things
are
to
come,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
folks
were
on
this
topic
about
the
loopholes.
This
is
it
none
of
it
comes
if
there
are
no
tenants
there,
as
they
keep
saying.
F
C
So
we're
due
for
an
upgrade,
I'm
sure
so
for
those
who
I
I
guess,
I'm
neutral,
I
just
I
just
I
assumed
that,
because
isd
is
the
first
point
of
contact
for
somebody.
It
might
be
the
first
agency
to
know
that
people
are
going
to
convert
a
building
into
condos
that
they
would
also
just
make
it
part
of
their
process.
C
How?
How
would
we
envision
would
a
person
then
have
to
go
to
isd
and
then
isd
says
ohs?
This
person
is
here
to
do
condos,
ohs,
confirm
or
talk
to
them
or
how,
in
terms
of
administrative
burden,
how
do
we
move
this?
I
personally,
I
will
just
put
it
out
there.
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
have
this
kind
of,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
a
removal
permit,
because
does
that
require
an
ordinance
for
us
to
create
that
new
permit.
F
F
C
Okay,
I'm
just
I'm
really
trying
to
make
sure
we
hit
all
the
points.
That's
honest
to
goodness.
So
I'd
love
to
hear
from
you
dominique
as
the
director
your
thoughts
of
how
and
where
this
could
flow.
Chief
dylan,
you
know
just
assume,
I'm
a
normal
person.
I
bought
a
four
family.
I
want
to
make
this
a
condo.
Tell
me
what
I
have
to
do
now,
I'm
going
to
go
to
isd
and
then
this
new
removal
permit.
So
what
what
do
you
envision.
D
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
use
removal
permit.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
reason,
we
have
to
use
a
removal
permit.
It's
just
got
such
a
long
history
that
people
might
confuse
it
with.
You
know
what
happened:
rain,
control,
etc.
So
if
we
said
you
have
to
get
a
permit
to
do
a
condo
conversion,
you
go
to
isd.
I
assume
that
you're
applying
for
our
building
permits
as
well.
It's
probably
part
of
this
because
most
of
them
are
renovations
and
then
isd
says.
D
Oh
yup,
you've
checked
the
I'm.
Making
this
up
you've
checked
the
condo
box.
If,
if
we
wanted
to
go
the
office
of
housing
stability
route,
you
need
to
work
with
them
to
sort
to
see
if,
if
all
of
the
the
tenant
work,
notifications,
displacement,
etc
has
been
done
properly
and
no
one
was
displaced
because
of
this,
it
wasn't
emptied
out
with
this
intent,
and
then
I
then
I
assume
that
ohs.
D
If
that's,
what
sort
of
the
administration
decides,
would
give
a
developer
a
clean
bill
of
health
and
say:
yes,
yes,
the
building's
been
vacant
for
five
years.
It's
been
a
derelict
shell.
Whatever
you
know
they
they
find,
and
then
it
goes
back
to
isd
and
the
person
gets
their
condo
permit.
I'm
making
that
up.
I
think
it
needs
it
needs
further
discussion,
but
I'm
I'm
we.
I
could
envision
something
like
that.
D
C
Could
you
envision
in
general,
no
matter
what
that
they
would
have
to
go
to
ohs
and
ohs?
Has
a
packet,
that's
uniform
and
clear,
maybe
multilingual,
and
that
it's
you
know
like,
because
this
is
assuming
that
they're
saying?
Yes,
I
did
everything
and
they
can
prove
to
ohs.
I
did
everything
I'd
rather
just
take
that
burden
of
proof
away
and
just
simply
say,
I'm
going
to
get
a
I'm
going
to
make
some
condos.
So
as
a
result,
I
need
to
get
this
special
permit
or
demonstration,
and
I
go
to
ohs.
D
I
what
I
bought
the
building
and
the
owner
has
certified
that
the
building
has
been
vacant
for
366
days
or
whatever,
because
you
know
I
think
or
the
I
bought
the
building
and
six
months
ago
the
the
owner
said
this
might
happen.
I'm
gonna
sell
the
building,
it
might
happen,
so
I'm
gonna
give
you
notice
and
everybody
took
the
relocation
benefit
that
is
pursuing
to
the
condo
ordinance.
D
So
I
think
there's
they're
going
to
have
to
certify
that
whatever
we
determine
is
the
right
set
of
things
that
they
must
do.
They're
gonna
have
to
certify
that
those
things
happen
before
they
can
move
on
and
apply
for
a
condo
permit.
Okay,
I
think,
and
does
that
max
my
go-to
mac.
Does
that
sound
right.
F
I
I
think
that's
right,
I
mean
the
thing
is:
let's
say
you
call
it
not
removal
permit,
but
just
a
conversion
permit,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
cover
both
worlds.
So
it's
both
going
to
be
the
vacant
building,
but
you're
also
going
to
have
owners
with
occupied
or
semi-occupied
buildings
that
may
be
coming
for
conversion
permits
too,
and
for
those
they're
then
giving
the
tenants
the
packet
at
the
same
time,
they're
saying
you
know
if
this
gets
approved
here
are
the
whole
sets
of
rights
that
you
have
so
you'll
have
both
populations
there.
F
E
J
Okay,
just
and
just
to
jump
in
here,
I
definitely
think
that
that's
this
is
all
something
that
our
office
is
equipped
to
handle.
Once
we
do
find
out
that
a
building
is
being
converted,
we
currently
we
send
out
a
postcard
that
just
informs
tenants
of
their
rights,
informs
them
that
they're
not
required
to
leave,
so
we
could
certainly
put
together
a
packet,
that's
more
substantial
than
just
the
postcard.
J
E
J
E
Well,
councillor
edwards
got
the
number
correct
in
her
earlier.
89
of
the
buildings
that
are
being
converted
are
one
to
three
unit
buildings,
and
so
it's
it's.
We
may
have
about
230
240
buildings
per
year,
converted,
but
only
23,
or
only
about
10
11
are
the
buildings
that
might
be
covered
by
this
ordinance.
C
If
just
to
give
some
data
for
my
colleagues
that
sheila,
our
chief
dylan
actually
gave
us,
I
think
in
the
prior
hearing
in
20,
2900
2939
units
were
turned
into
condos
between
2014
and
2019,
and
that
is
compared
to
only
1
312
in
the
previous
five
years
before
the
last
change,
the
city
ordinance.
So
that's
about
124
percent
increase
in
conversions.
C
Dorchester
has
seen
most
the
most
conversions
over
the
past
five
years.
198
buildings
followed
by
east
boston,
with
163
and
now
state
law
perfeds
forbids
regulation
of
properties
with
fewer
than
four
units
which,
according
to
our
numbers,
it's
the
conversions
in
properties,
fewer
than
four
units
account
for
89
of
the
condo
conversion.
So
what
we're
talking
about
right
now
is
11
and
suffolk
county
middle
income,
households
have
74
of
income
needed
to
purchase
the
mid-price
house
and
only
66
percent
of
income
needed
to
purchase
a
mid-price
condo
in
2018.
F
C
F
So
there
are
still
people
that
are
actually
protected
under
the
old
rent
control
laws
that
had
what
were
called
eviction
ban
status
under
that
system
that
are
still
in
their
same
apartments.
I
still
get
those
calls
from
people
in
brighton,
roslindale,
a
few
other
locations
in
the
city
they're
few
and
far
between,
but
they
still
exist.
C
Sorry
about
that,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over.
So
so
my
colleagues
can
start
asking
questions
again,
we're
kind
of
on
the
clear
out
issue
before
we
get
to
the
other
improvements
that
are
we
already
have.
So
I
have
an
again
counselor
bach
counselor
braden
counselor,
sabe
george.
If
she
she
may
have
stepped
out
counselor
mejia
counselor
flynn
and
counselor
janie,
so
counselor
bach.
B
F
From
a
clear
house,
what
what
what
this
would
give
you
a
hook
on
is
the
buildings
where
the
build
or
it's
already
been
emptied
out
and
you're,
then
wanting
to
look
at.
How
did
that
happen?
Was
it
proper?
Well,
you
know,
did
people
just
naturally
move
out,
or
was
it
like
a
cause
eviction
so
that
beauty
became
vacant
versus
six
months
before
they
actually
did
a
condo
deed
where
they
like
handing
out
people
money
and
saying
leave
or
cutting
off
utilities
and
having
people
leave?
F
E
B
Would
we
have
do
we
have
the
latitude
within
within
an
ordinance
to
impose
a
penalty
like
what?
What
could
we
conceivably
do
like?
I
get
that
the
point?
The
point
here
isn't:
the
penalty.
The
point
is
using
this
as
a
way
to
discourage
the
action,
but
for
it
to
discourage
the
action
there
has
to
be
a
plausible
penalty
so
like
what
conceivably
could
that
look
like.
F
That
the
last
part's
a
little
tricky,
because
I
could
imagine
someone
might
litigate
that
question
if
it
was
penalties
beyond
just
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
a
conversion
permit
like
I'm,
going
to
find
that
you
committed
a
violation
of
quiet
enjoyment
or
93a,
or
something
like
that,
whether
or
not
that
could
be
done
within
this
ordinance
or
not.
We
probably
need
to
check
with
corporation
council
on
some
of
those
issues,
but
you
could
try.
C
So
if
there
was
seniors
who
were
you
know,
pushed
out
of
here
or
one
of
the
protected
classes
of
individuals
they're
supposed
to
get
ten
thousand
dollars,
if
they
didn't
get
that,
for
example,
right
because
they
were
pushed
out
in
the
quiet
of
the
night
or
they
were
just,
you
know
told
whatever
to
get
out
and
they
left
if
we
know
who
they
are
and
we
can
find
them.
Why
not
triple
damages
or
something
that
requires
them?
And.
F
C
F
B
Remember
growing
up
with
a
I
know,
I
remember
growing
up
with
a
building
in
our
in
our
neighborhood,
where
there
was
very
strong
suspicion
that
the
owner
had
burned
it
down
for
insurance
purposes
and
so
sort
of
various
permits
to
replace
it
had
been
denied
as
kind
of
part
of
managing
that
action.
But
then
it
also
ended
up
with
a
weird
situation
where
we
had
a
vacant
building
for
decades,
and
so
I'm
just.
F
B
F
So
so,
when
we
were
looking
at
the
enabling
law,
that's
why
there's
a
one-year
look-back
provision
in
the
enabling
law,
which
is
probably
the
outside
limit
for
what
we
can?
What
can
be
done
so
probably
even
if
a
building
was
cleared
out
two
years
ago
and
now
they're
coming
forward
to
seek
a
permit,
probably
cannot
reach
back
that
far
given
the
language,
that's
in
the
current
enabling
law,
but
could
reach
back
to
find
out
what
was
going
on
during
the
last
12
months.
F
D
F
And
just
to
understand,
this
doesn't
regulate,
for
example,
someone's
conversion
conversion
to
luxury
housing.
So
if
someone
says
I'm
taking
this
affordable
rental
housing
and
I'm
changing
it
to
luxury
rental
housing,
this
doesn't
regulate
that
at
all,
because
the
enabling
law
only
gives
you
the
ability
to
reach
it
where
it's
going
to
be
condo
conversion.
B
There's
not
much
that
we
can
do
to
force
that
and
so,
but
we're
putting
a
by
having
this
one
year.
Look
back
we're
putting
a
higher
price
tag
on
your
decision
to
treat
your
tenants
poorly
because
now
you're
sitting
with
a
full
year
of
vacancy,
and
that's
only
and
once
you
get
the
conversion.
You
presumably
have
some
friction
time.
So
we're
sort
of
putting
a
time
cost
on
that
kind
of
bad
action.
Is
that.
F
A
F
We'd
have
to
look
back
at
the
statewide
law
on
that,
because
there's
some
things
that
also
regulate
when
newly
created
units
come
into
being,
then
they
may
not
also
be
regulated
under
the
statewide
law,
so
there's
some
exceptions
in
the
statewide
law
on
that.
If,
on
the
other
hand,
what
you
did
was
you
like
had
very
large
apartments
and
you
split
them
up,
so
it's
like
what
was
originally
a
one.
F
I've
had
buildings
that
I've
been
involved
with,
where
part
of
the
city's
record
says
it's
a
three
family
like
isd,
but
you'd,
go
to
the
rent
equity
board
and
the
rent
equity
board
would
tell
you
it
was
a
six
and
they
had
it
registered
there
as
a
six
and
that's
in
fact
how
the
landlord
was
renting
it
out,
even
though
isd
never
had
it
on
record
that
way.
So
that's,
unfortunately
the
best
answer
I
can
give
you
on
that.
One.
D
A
Yeah,
the
other
strange
thing
is
happening
out
here
and-
and
this
might
be
a
completely
different
scenario
is-
is
sort
of
the
other
way
of
going
is
that
we
have
instances
of
people
who
get
permanent
to
do
to
build
new
condominiums,
and
then
they
say,
oh
the
market's
too
soft,
and
we're
not
going
to
we're
going
to
go
to
rentals
and
that's
that's
a
whole
other
ball
of
wax.
So
I'm
not
even
going
to
get
into
that
right
now.
C
C
K
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
council
edwards
to
you
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
on
this
important
issue
along
with
mayor
walsh's
team,
but
consulate
would
you're
really
doing
the
incredible
work
of
making
sure
the
low
low-income
residents
their
voice,
their
voices
heard.
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
it's
an
important
conversation
that
we're
having
because
of
the
housing
crisis
that
we're
facing
in
the
city
and
with
with
the
pandemic
the
ongoing
pandemic.
K
The
situation
may
be
getting
worse
for
many
tenants
as
as
as
we
know,
because
we
we,
we
feel
those
calls
every
every
day
and
I'm
glad
to
know
that
the
elderly,
our
seniors
persons
with
disability,
low,
moderate
income,
tenants
might,
I
think
they
must
be
given
a
five-year
condominium
or
cooperative
conversion.
Eviction
notice
before
a
landlord
can
start
an
eviction
action,
and
I
know
that
we
extended
these
protections
in
2019,
but
we
should
still
consider
potential
updates
on
a
condo
conversion
ordinance,
especially
considering
potential
shifts
in
housing.
K
It's
crucial
that
we
remain
a
city
of
of
also
of
low-income
residents
of
persons
with
disabilities,
our
seniors
communities
of
color,
but
I
don't
want
to
see
major
developers
also
trying
to
try
to
manipulate
the
system
and
thinking
no
one's
paying
attention
during
these
during
these
crucial
times,
because
city
leaders
are
paying
attention
and
we're
not
going
to
let
any
fastballs
get
by
the
plate
because
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
advocate
for
for
the
tenants
and
for
the
residents.
So
I
just
want
to.
K
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
we
we
really
have
to
pay
close
attention
to
any
developer
that
wants
to
that,
wants
to
be
cute
and
wants
to
try
to
manipulate
the
system
to
their
advantage.
We
need
to.
We
need
to
follow
and
pay
close
attention,
but
I
also
know
that,
as
I
heard
comments
earlier,
that
city
departments
must
be
talking
to
each
other
at
all
times,
sharing
information,
updating
information,
updating,
computer
information
to
make
sure
we
have
the
most
updated
records
available
that
there
is
a
community
process
during
this
time
as
well.
K
H
Yes
good
morning,
so
I
just
have
a
few
questions.
Thank
you
for
hosting
this
again
counselor
edwards,
just
just
really
quick
chief
dylan,
you
mentioned
property.
Proper
notification
as
a
part
of
the
condo
conversion
process,
are
landlords
required
to
post
conversion
notice
in
languages
that
the
tenants
most
effectively
communicate
in
is
there
ever
a
circumstance
where
tenants
are
aren't
properly
informed
of
what's
going
on
in
their
buildings
because
of
the
language
area
that.
D
You
know
I
have
to
go
back
and
read
the
ordinance,
it's
a
really
very,
very,
very
good
point
and
something
we
can
strengthen
as
we
as
we
write
or
improve
and
update
the
condo
ordinance.
The
issue,
which
is
pretty
tragic,
is
that
typically
an
owner
got
a
building
and
then
it
starts
converting
empty
buildings.
So
there's
no
one
there
to
notify
and
that's
what
we
really
need
to
fix,
but
I
do.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
language
piece
of
of
any
new
ordinance
that
we
write.
D
So
thank
you
for
raising
that.
We
just
got
to
make
sure,
though,
that
the
tenants
that
are
there
know
their
rights
and
we're
we're
being
more
mindful
that
we're
not
that
they're
not
saying
oh,
the
building
was
empty.
I
don't
have
anything
I
need
to
do
so,
but
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point.
We
should
look
to
strengthen
that
language.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I'm
going
to
ask
councillor
flynn
to
put
himself
on
mute,
messing
up
my
flow
up
in
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
flynn
mute
yourself,
okay.
So
I'm
also
curious
in
regards
to
how
tenants
are
informed
about
their
rights
when
a
when
a
building
is
converted
into
condos
and
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
keep
them
informed.
F
Part
of
the
weakness
I
think
of
the
pre-existing
scheme
was,
as
far
as
they
stripped
the
city
of
the
ability
to
do
that.
The
city
wasn't
before
now
able
to
say
those
things.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
as
part
of
adding
to
the
city's
authority
just
like
it's
going
to
have
somebody
that
would
review
conversion
permits.
The
city
can
also
make
sure
that
the
communication
is
effective.
F
So
if
the
owner
is
saying
well,
I'm
going
to
communicate
this
with
my
residents,
who
are
spanish
or
portuguese
or
cape
verdean
speaking
that
the
city
says
fine,
can
you
can
you
show
us
what
you're
planning
on
sending
before
you
send
it
out?
So
we're
sure
it's
accurate
and
it's
not
telling
people
things
that
would
mislead
them
about
their
rights.
H
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious
if
there's
any
way
for
us
to
enforce
that
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
just
the
rights,
because
I
I
often
think
that
people
really
don't
understand
what
their
rights
are.
So
I
just
would
I
encourage
us
to
add
some
language
that
will
enforce
that
and
then
the
other
question
that
I
have
is:
what
does
the
reallocation
assistance
look
like
how
much
effort
does
the
landlord
have
to
put
in
when
it
comes
to
relocating
their
tenant?
F
Okay,
that
that's
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
way
that
it
usually
works
is
that
there's
initially
they
can
send
a
shorter
notice
period
to
an
individual
whose
low
and
moderate
income,
elderly
or
disabled
and
say
that
they
are
diligently
assisting
the
person
in
finding
housing.
And
if,
let's
say
the
person
had,
let's
say
the
person
had
a
section
8
voucher
and
the
owner
actually
went
out
and
hired
somebody
who
was
going
to
do
diligent
housing,
search
and
help
the
person
place
them
with
their
section.
F
8
voucher
into
a
unit
that
had
similar
features
was
not
negative
and
so
forth.
That
owner
might
be
able,
in
those
circumstances,
to
have
a
shorter
notice
period,
but
they
would
have
to
show
that
it
was
really
comparable
and
comparable
can
include
things
like
neighborhoods.
So
you
know
if
the
person
says
I've
lived
in
austin
brighton,
I
really
don't
want
to
be
disrupted
from
the
austin
brighton
community.
It's
where
I've
had
all
my
connections,
all
my
life.
That
certainly
would
be
one
of
the
considerations
that
would
enter
in.
F
But
I
I
will
be
honest
with
you
most
owners.
Don't
do
that
most
owners
don't
devote
that
level
of
attention
to
helping
people
get
what
they
need,
and
so,
when
that
happens,
then
people
would
get
the
benefit
of
the
full,
prolonged
notice
period
of
the
five
years.
Others
can
add
to
this
from
sort
of
what
the
experience
has
been
with
with
the
city
on
that.
But
that's
my
understanding.
H
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
add,
during
this
process,
just
some
language
around
the
accountability,
piece
of
that
to
ensure
that
landlords
are
doing
their
dual
diligence
to
ensure
that
they
live
up
to
that?
Is
there
an
away
from
from
an
accountability
standpoint
to
be
able
to
push
to
ensure
that
that
does
happen
or
even
create
a
dashboard
for
when
it
doesn't,
then
we
know
who
these
usual
suspects
are.
D
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
think
we
can
mac.
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
violate
state
law.
If
we
gave
some
more
meat
to
what
relocation
assistance
means
or
could
mean,
and
then
my
understanding
is
that
if
we
were
providing
a
condo
permit,
if
you
will,
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
call
it
or
approval
to
to
condo
that
we
would.
That
would
be
part
of
the
criteria
we'd
be
looking
at
whether
or
not
the
owner
provided
that
in
a
meaningful
way.
H
Yeah-
and
I
have
one
last
question-
this
is
the
bonus
round
here,
I'm
just
curious
in
terms
of
when
the
landlord
or
the
person
who's
going
to
build
the
condo
when
they
apply
for
it.
Is
there
a
way
to
look
at
the
medium?
You
know
what
the
income
is
in
the
neighborhood
and
make
sure
that
if
they
are
going
to
convert
it
into
a
condo
that
it's
financially
reflective
of
the
neighborhood
that
they're
going
to
be
building
in
is
there
is
there
a
way,
or
is
that
illegal,
to
do
something
like
that?
H
I'm
just
curious,
like
I
think,
about
people
being
displaced,
and
I
think
about
just
this
whole
notion
of
people
coming
in
and
building
condos.
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
add
a
clause
or
a
line
that
will
hold
the
condo
creator
to
the
the
medium
income
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
lower
end
of
it?
Actually.
F
F
C
So
I
think
we're
but
limited
by
state
law.
They
absolutely
have
to
counselor
mejia.
If
the
person
is
existing
there,
they
have
to
keep
their
rent
and
they
are
limited
by
how
much
they
can
raise
the
rent
every
year
for
that
particular
person.
So
they
would
be.
You
know,
hopefully
that
person
has
a
decent
rent
or
a
rent
that
they
can
sustain,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
create.
C
I
would
I
like
this
idea-
and
I
think
we're
going
to
look
more
to
expanding
that
that
analysis
in
the
zoning
code
that
we're
talking
about
the
other
amendment,
the
larger
one
that
we're
working
on
for
fair
housing,
that
we
are
absolutely
including
that
analysis
for
those
larger
projects
we're
doing
that.
But
for
this
small
I
don't
believe
we
can
create
a
general
obligation
between
me
as
a
purchaser
and
the
area
I'm
purchasing
in.
I.
F
I
tend
to
agree
with
that.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
to
think
about.
One
is,
there
is
a
right
to
purchase,
and
so
there
might
be
a
question
of
making
sure
that
the
residents
who
have
the
right
to
purchase
are
connected
with
whatever
city
programs
and
other
things
that
are
out
there,
so
that,
for
example,
if
there
was
soft
second
or
things
like
that,
there
was
a
way
to
sort
of
express
those
in
those
few
instances
where
in
fact
it
might
work
the
person
might
in
fact
it
wouldn't
be
so
expensive.
F
F
Some
of
the
condo
conversions
that
were
happening
were
also
happening
in
places
where
there
was
some
other
city
hooks
around
housing
creation,
and
so
what
the
city
actually
did
with
those
was
allowed
conversion.
But
then
there
was
some
new,
affordable
housing
that
was
created
in
those
blocks,
so
there
actually
ended
up
being
some
bha
chapter
705
condo
units
that
actually
were
created
as
part
of
a
conversion.
F
C
I
C
I
H
I
With
renters,
who
had
been
there
for
quite
some
time,
maybe
the
apartments
aren't
in
the
best
shape
and
the
rents
are
not
quite
at
market.
A
new
developer
buys
this
building
wants
to
start.
You
know
working
on
the
units
they
want
to
convert
them
ultimately
into
condos,
so
they
are
responsible
for
relocating
these
tenants.
C
I
C
C
At
market
and
limitations
on
rent
increase,
so
if
they
stay
and
they're
on
their
extended
lease,
as
we
just
mentioned,
they
would.
The
landlord
could
not
increase
the
rent
more
than
10
or
cpi
consumer
consumer
price
index.
I
think
it
is.
Am
I
saying
that
correct
and
then
relocation
is
relocation,
assistance
as
well.
They
would
be
obligated
to
do
those
things
and
if
they
couldn't
are
they
limited.
I
F
So
that
goes
to
the
two
versus
five
year
notice
period.
So
during
the
first
two
years,
if
the
person-
let's
say
I
found
a
comparable
unit
in
the
same
neighborhood
for
that
person,
I
might
be
able
to
limit
their
notice
period
to
two
years
rather
than
five
again.
It's
extremely
rare
you'll
ever
see
that,
but
it
I
guess
it
would
be
theoretically
possible.
I
I
I
C
F
F
F
D
C
Agreed,
I
mean,
I
think,
the
biggest
hurdle
we
have
to
is
to
get
it
to
work
period
because
they
have
the
clear
out.
So
I
mean
I'm
not
gonna
die
on
a
hill
for
this,
but
I
did
want
to
know
what
was
available
to
us
yep.
My
other
question.
Looking
at
right
of
first
refusal,
there's
a
90-day
right
to
purchase
is
that
limited
by
statute?
Can
it
be
made
a
little
longer.
F
I
think
you
could
make
that
longer
again
unless
it's
unless
527
specifically
says
you
can't
do
more
than
this,
then
I
think
that
that's
that's
the
only
language
you
have
to
worry
about
in
chapter
527.
Is
that
kind
of
language
which
is
where
we
get
into
with
the
four
units?
But
I
think,
on
the
90
day,
you
probably
do
have
flexibility
on
that.
C
F
No,
so
we
should
take
a
look
at
that.
There
was
language
that
was
added
to
one
of
the
statewide
amendments
to
chapter
527,
which
talked
about
assignment
of
rights
to
like
a
city
or
town
where
it
was
trying
to
create
affordable
housing,
and
so
it
was
in
that
context
that
that
language
was
added.
So
we
should
look
at
that
language
because
it's
both
an
opportunity,
but
it
may
be
an
outside
limitation,
so
we
just
need
to
be
sure
which
way
it
works.
F
F
K
F
A
F
J
C
I
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
it,
it
does
at
least
for
the
everyone
else
going
to
ten
thousand
makes
sense.
I
mean
we're
giving
out
four
thousand
dollar
checks
right
now
for
rent
assistance
and
hoping
it
you
know
they
could
stretch
it.
Six
thousand
dollars
seems
you
know
not.
I
don't
think
you
could
do
first
last
insecurity
on
that,
sometimes
in
many
cases
in
boston.
C
D
I
think
in
the
past
we've
right
we've
looked
at
rent
in
various
neighborhoods
and
said:
first
last
security-
maybe
rent
it.
You
know.
So
we
should
do
the
calculation
again
and
sort
of
see
where
it
takes
us.
It
we've
never
factored
in,
but
maybe
it
was
short-sighted.
You
know,
you
know:
do
people
need
ongoing
rental?
You
know
a
supplement.
D
F
C
Okay,
that
makes
sense
to
me.
I
just
feel
I
mean
I
hope
I
don't
sound
ridiculous,
but
I
do
think
the
six
thousand
dollars,
at
least
being
everyone
at
10,
makes
more
financial
sense.
But,
okay,
though
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
walk
through
the
rest
of
the
parts
of
the
benefits
about
updating
them
again:
counselor
braden.
C
C
C
C
D
D
C
C
One
is
the
language
that
you
have
for
creating
this
permit,
a
condo
permit
or
conversion
permit
right
and
getting
that
together
two
would
be,
and
this
is
research
I
think
we
could
all
do.
But
but
what
happens
if
it's
going
above
three
I
mean
we
need
to
have
that
answer.
That
would
help,
I
think,
a
lot
there
might
be
actually
some
more
people
that
are
brought
into
the
statute.
C
F
C
C
D
J
C
Be
as
good
as
the
piece
of
paper
they're
written
on
yeah,
yeah,
okay!
Well,
I'm
excited
to
work
on
the
permit
language
and
making
sure
we
get
something
where
all
of
the
colleagues
are
are
comfortable
with
it.
So
it's
11
22
and
unless
my
colleagues
have
further
questions,
unless
administration
has
further
questions
about
this.
D
C
D
You
know
there
was
just
a
couple
of
other
ideas
that
came
up,
that
I
think
we
need
to
explore
some
language
on,
and
I
I
did
really
really
strengthen
the
the
language.
You
know
how
are
people
being
communicated
with
and
is,
it
is?
Are
there
appropriate
languages
being
used
and
then
counselor
black
had
mentioned?
What
are
the
penalty
for
violations,
and
I
think
we
need
to
explore
that
a
little
bit
with
corporation
council.