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Docket #0655 - Ordinance amending Boston Fire Prevention Code Article 8, Hot Works Operations
A
B
And
we
are
here
today
to
discuss
docket
zero,
six
five,
five
message
in
ordinance
amending
the
Boston
Fire
Prevention
code,
article
eight
hot
work
operations.
This
matter
was
sponsored
by
Mayor
Martin
Walsh
referred
to
the
committee
back
from
May
the
third.
If
all
recall,
last
year,
the
City
Council
passed
similar
legislation
to
be
consistent
with
the
state
in
national
regulations
and
definitions
by
replacing
provisions
of
the
welding
and
cutting
article
with
the
more
inclusive
regulation
of
hot
work.
B
This
ordinance
looks
to
amend
the
Boston
Fire
Prevention
code
to
clarify
several
provisions,
updating
the
terminology
and
ensuring
consistency
with
current
practices
and
joining
us
today
is
Connie
Wong
who's,
the
Deputy
Commissioner
of
Labor
Relations
Human
Resources
in
legal
affairs
of
Boston,
Fire
Department,
and
also
we
joined
by
our
Deputy
Fire
Chief
Jack
Dempsey
Fire
Marshal
from
the
Boston
Fire
Department.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
allow
you
to
open
and
then
we'll
have
a
little
Q&A
and
try
to
get
this
moving
quickly
as
possible.
Great.
C
Thank
You
councillor,
thank
you
for
hosting
this
hearing.
As
you
indicated
last
summer,
we
passed
the
ordinance
to
amend
article
8
to
include
hot
works
and
a
key
part
of
that
ordinance
was
the
hot
work
certification
program
that
the
Boston
Fire
Department,
working
in
conjunction
with
the
National
Fire
Protection,
Association,
spearheaded
and
based
on
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
the
contractors
and
working
with
that
ordinance
in
the
last
nearly
a
year.
C
Now
it's
come
to
our
attention
that
we
need
to
streamline
and
clarify
a
number
of
the
other
provisions
in
the
article
to
make
it
simplified
and
easier
to
read
for
the
contractors.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Chief
Jack
Dempsey.
He
can
give
you
more
updates
on
what
we're
working
on
as
well
as
what
we
are
asking
to
clarify
today.
Thank.
D
Afternoon
Council,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today.
As
Connie
mentioned,
we
passed
the
I
born
in
/year
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
progress
since
then,
and
I'll
just
go
over
some
of
the
numbers
that
we
have.
The
nfpa
is
trained.
Sixteen
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixteen
members
since
mid-october,
that's
what
we
initially
started:
the
training
out
of
that
thirteen
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventy
nine
a
union
workers
and
2337
and
non-union
I've
been
working
closely
with
the
NFPA
to
make
sure
that
the
course
is
kept
relevant
to
all
the
trades.
D
One
of
the
other
things
we
got
to
do
was
we
found
out
as
we
were
going
along.
We
had
to
make
this
multilingual
so
one
one
thing
that
kind
of
got
caught
off
guard
with,
but
so
since,
when
we
found
that
out,
the
NFPA
translated
this
into
Spanish
Vietnamese,
European,
porches,
Portuguese,
Brazilian
Portuguese
and
we're
actually
looking
at
Russian
and
Ukrainian.
Now,
then,
as
Annie
gets
for
any
language,
I
will
cross
out
when
it
when
it
happens.
D
D
We're
getting
multiple
cities
from
around
the
country
showing
interest
and
even
from
outside
the
country
that
we
found
at
the
NFPA
conference
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago,
cities
like
Nashville,
Seattle,
New,
York
City
in
San
Francisco,
just
to
name
a
couple,
though
it's
getting
attention
also
had
some
good
conversation
with
the
insurance
industry,
they're
very
interested
in
it.
They
certainly
see
the
value
of
stopping
Fyers.
D
How
it
works
is
a
pretty
pretty
common
fire
on
the
construction
site
so
and
we
will
be
bringing
this
course,
this
a
fire
marshal
very
soon
and
open
to
expanded
out
to
the
rest
of
the
state.
A
lot
of
the
people
that
come
here
to
work
are
not
from
the
city
of
Boston,
so
we're
getting
companies
from
Rhode
Island
and
whatever
and
they're
all
you
know,
so
they
all
need
the
training.
So
we
think
it's
going
pretty
good.
D
D
There
is
a
time
frame
that
we
had
to
implement
this.
We
had
to
give
people
time
to
get
trained,
that
we've
been
training
non-stop
and
we're
up
to
sixteen
thousand,
so
the
logistics
of
doing
that.
So
we're
still
coming
across
people
who
don't
have
the
cause,
we're
you
know
we're
pushing
that
we
we
ticket
them,
we
stop
the
job
or
and
make
them
get.
Somebody
that's
had
the
course
to
be
there.
D
So
a
lot
of
out
of
all
these
hot
work
permits
and
everything
can
be
applied
for
online.
There
will
be
new
portal,
which,
which
has
been
great
81%
of
the
permits
applied
for
we
issue
within
a
one-day
and
and
an
eighty.
Eighty
nine
percent
are
issued
within
three
days
of
applying.
So
we
think
that's
that's!
Pretty
good
moves.
Jobs
along
people
are
waiting
tied
up
in
red
tape.
D
Over
the
course
of
this
past
year,
we've
collected
363
thousand
dollars
in
fees
for
just
for
the
permitting
pod.
That's
not
counting
the
ticketing
pie,
so
those
are
the
numbers
right
now
and
so
I
was
going
to
move
on
from
here
into
you
know,
article
8,
and
as
last
year,
when
we
try
to
write
in
what
was
done.
D
We
found
a
lot
of
not
conflicts,
but
it
just
didn't,
read
well
and
a
lot
of
items
that
we
missed
and
none
of
them
are
game
changes,
but
I
thought
it
was
necessary
that
we
come
back
and
change
the
wording
in
the
article
so
that
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
when
people
pick
this
up
and
read
it
that
it's
very
clear
and
concise
and
there's
no
confusion
so
we're
trying
to
make
it
customer
friendly
easier
for
they
are
easy
for
the
constituents.
So.
B
D
D
So
section
1,
8.03
a
we
deleted
welding
and
cutting
and
change
it
to
hard
work
and
the
original
order
it
didn't
take
into
a
cow
whether
it
was
cutting
and
welding
or
welding
and
cutting.
So
just
a
simple
switch,
but
that's
what
that
change
was,
and
that
was
made
in
a
couple
of
places.
So
that
takes
care
of
section
1,
good,
section,
2.
D
D
B
B
D
B
D
To
the
NFPA
51
be
the
standard
if
you're
doing
hot
work,
you're
you're
required
to
have
a
fire
wash,
but
it's
not
always
a
paid
fire
detail
and
I'll
give
you
an
example
why,
on
a
brand-new
building,
that's
coming
up
from
the
ground
up,
they
may
get
a
six
month.
Permit
hot
work
permit
at
the
beginning
of
the
project.
That's
a
hole
in
the
ground,
there's
really
nothing
to
burn,
even
though
they're
doing
hot
work,
it's
all
metal.
So
we
wouldn't.
We
can't
waste
people
on
the.
D
C
B
Watch
what's
coming
to
mind
for
me
very
similar
with
the
council
working
with
the
may,
we
pass
for
the
fight
for
the
police
department
allowing
retirees
to
perform
sort
of
pay
details
up
until
a
certain
age.
We
have
experienced
trained
individuals
who,
for
no
fault
of
their
own,
turns
a
65
and
they
have
to
retire,
but
they're
still
very
capable.
This
may
be
something
that
we
may
want
to
talk
about,
having
an
opportunity
to
have
retired,
firefighters
and
back
and
perform.
You
know,
pay
detail
to
help
supplement
their
every
time
and
income.
I.
Think.
B
B
A
lot
of
details
in
the
city
a
lot
physically
around
the
construction
sites,
they're
going
unmanned,
there's
no
cost
to
the
city.
We
actually
get
service
fee
and
the
companies
are
paying
for
the
details.
So
it's
a
if
anything
we
we
generate
opportunities
from
the
permitting
portion
of
it
as
opposed
to
just
letting
it
go,
and
so
every
day
in
the
city
of
auxin,
hundreds
of
details
are
going
unfilled,
and
so
that
was
the
impetus
behind
looking
at
thinking
a
retired
police
officers
and
nabbing
them.
This
is
very
similar
to
that
I.
B
D
D
D
C
Because
every
single
construction
site-
it's
always
fluid,
so
things
are
always
happening
in
a
different
pace.
So
it
relies
on
the
fire
department
to
work
very
closely
with
a
lot
of
the
contractors
out
there
and
our
fire
inspectors
are
out
there
every
day
visiting
various
sites,
and
once
you
keep
that
line
of
communication
open,
then
you
could
probably
do
a
better
job
at
looking.
When
do
we
really
need
the
firefighter
as
a
detail,
and
you
know,
keep
that
communication
open
and
take
it
day
by
day
and.
B
D
Yeah
they
were
so
what
happened
there.
Two
major
factors
in
that
that
brought
about
that
fire
was
number
one.
There
was
a
contract,
a
small
small
welding
company,
doing
hot
work
on
the
rear
of
the
building
without
a
permit
or
a
detail
which
both
would
have
been
required
with
the
work
they
were
doing.
The
second
thing
was:
was
the
environmental
conditions?
The
wind?
That
day
is,
you
know,
blown
sixty
mile
now
winds,
blowing
off
of
the
child's
wherever
right
towards
the
building.
B
D
D
B
B
D
Some
of
these
hot
work
projects
don't
require
Boston
Fire
paid
detail
on
it.
It
may
be
a
small,
let's
say
a
plumbing,
a
plumber.
We
don't
permit
plumbing
jobs,
they
doing
hard
work.
They
look
one
into
the
new
regulation.
I
can't
give
permits
for
a
plumber.
That's
going
to
five
different
properties,
say.
D
A
B
D
D
But
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
and
the
article
that
I
was
going
to
come
out-
and
we
go
to
803b
and
I'll-
just
read
that
because
we
had
a
few
changes
here,
the
way
it's
going
to
read,
it's
going
to
be
come
out.
Pretty
simple
and
clear:
no
person
shall
survive
as
a
fire
watch
unless
he
holds
an
NFPA,
hard
work,
safety,
certification
or
equivalent
servant
certification,
as
determined
by
the
head
of
the
fire
department
or
is
an
authorized
member
of
the
Boston
Fire
Department
employed
as
a
fire
watch.
B
D
D
8.03
see
and
we
deleted
e-mail
skype
and
replace
it
with
maybe
prescribed,
and
it's
just
the
gender-neutral
director
808
point
o3
see
this
is
section
nine
we
deleted
two
classes
of
and
the
reason
is
two
classes
have
now
been
reduced
to
one
certification.
At
one
point
there
was
a
certificate
of
competency
for
welders
and
it
was
also
certificate
for
fire
watches.
D
Section
eleven
8.03
D
insert
after
all,
NFPA
hot
works
safety,
certification
and
deleted
for
NFPA
hot
work,
safety,
certification,
it
sounds
confusing,
but
it
was
actually
clear
any
when
you
read
the
they
completed.
What
it's
going
to
look
like
in
the
end
section
12.
This
was
kind
of
a
bigger
section
that
we
worked
on
and
we
deleted
the
in.
A
D
Tut
we
changed
the
title
and
the
whole
section,
and
it's
basically
what
it
the
old
one
was
talking
more
about
the
fire
detail
in
the
air
and
and
the
fire
watch,
and
it
was
confusing
on
who
was
responsible
for
what
and
job
authorization
is
which
we
titled
it.
Now
we
made
it
clear
so
8.04
a
will
now
it
gives
the
property
on
his
authorization,
so
the
property
owner
is
going
to
have
work
done
hot
work
done.
D
They
know
exactly
what
they
need
to
do.
They
know
the
letter
they
need
to
provide
and
what
we're
looking
for
section
B
of
that
is
a
definition
for
the
contractors
responsibilities,
which
is
a
little
more
in-depth
that
we
need
are
we
looking
from
the
the
owner
of
the
building,
is
I'm.
Giving
this
contractor
permission
to
do.
Work
in
my
building
basically,
is.
D
B
B
D
What
was
difficult
with
the
property
owner
was,
if
them
trying
to
give
details
that
they
don't
know
anything
about
that.
The
that
the
contractor
was
doing
they
know
they're
welding.
But
then
they
don't
know
that
we
have
to
put
up
railings
for
this
or
or
a
lot
of
things
that
they
don't
know
or
even
a
type
of
welding
that
they
doing
and
it
just
gets
confusing
for
the
property
owner
and
I.
Think
it's
easier
for
them
say
we
hide
them
to
do
the
job
and
we
were
authorizing
them
to
do
the
job.
C
D
Well,
it's
whoever
pulled
subcontractor
may
depends
on
who's
pulling
the
contract,
would
I
mean
subcontractors
working
for
the
contractor,
so
they've
covered.
The
other
thing
we
didn't
want
to
do.
The
property
owners
says
they're
working
on
the
roof,
and
then
they
find
out
to
get
it
to
work
on
the
first
floor
tool.
Now
they're
going
to
is
a
conflict
there
between.
They
don't
want
the
map
to
come
in
and
redo
the
letter
and
go
through
the
whole
process
again
so
trying
to
make
it
much
smooth
for
everybody
and
cover
everybody.
D
D
B
D
B
D
B
D
D
D
B
D
It's
a
cause
run
but
running
and
monitored
by
the
NFPA.
It's
a
it's
a
two-hour
course
in
person
right
now
and
is
a
there's
a
test
that
follows
it's
a
one-time
one-time
event.
Unless
we
have
a
an
incident
with
you,
we
mean
you
know,
that's
up
to
us
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
we
have
the
ability
to
pull
that
certification
at
and
your
time
and
make
you
redo
the
clause
so
we're
hoping
that
people
put
to
practice
what
what
we're
teaching
them
and
if
they
do
we'll
have
a
much
safer
construction.
C
B
Seeing
and
hearing
no
takers,
pretty
straightforward,
stuff,
chief
and
Connie
make
sure
I'll
make
sure
I'll
get
these
copies
through
staff.
To
my
colleagues,
but
it's
it's
all
straightforward
stuff.
It's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
enhance
what
was
put
in
place
last
year
to
prevent
rific
fires
like
we
saw
on
Beacon
Street,
whether
it's
a
small
construction
project,
a
big
construction
project.
B
My
hope
is
that
we'll
keep
an
eye
towards
having
five
added
details
on
that
trained
and
experienced
firefighters,
but
to
recognize
those
types
of
situations
before
they
get
out
of
hand
and-
and
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
our
retirees
to
sort
of
fit
the
bill
there.
That's
that's
enough
funding
through
the
pop
and
so
I
want.
D
B
My
commitment
will
be
to
get
this
thing
turned
around
and
get
this
before
the
council
for
a
vote
soon
as
possible,
get
it
over
to
the
mayor
for
a
signature
so
that
we
can
have
it
on
the
books
to
protect
the
citizen
jury,
but
also
to
protect
the
men
and
women
that
run
into
those
situations
when
things
break
down
and
in
this
situation
they
break
down
pretty
quickly.
So
that
said,
that's
ready
to
see
you
achieve
great,
to
see
you
Connie
and
with
respect
to
docket
zero.