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Docket #0238 - Hearing on implementation of a curbside composting program in Boston
A
City
Hall,
my
name
is
Matt
O'malley
I'm,
the
district
6
city
councilor,
chairman
of
the
council's
Committee,
on
Environment
parks
and
sustainability
and
I
am
delighted
to
be
with
all
of
you
here
to
discuss
docket
number
zero,
two
three
eight,
which
is
an
order
for
a
hearing
on
implementing
a
curbside
composting
program
in
Boston.
This
is
an
initiative
with
whom
I
co
spot
my
co-sponsor
counts.
Ariana
Presley,
sadly,
is
unable
to
make
it
today
and
I
will
read
a
brief
letter
from
her.
A
It
reads:
dear
chairman,
O'malley
apologies
for
the
short
notice,
but
due
to
a
minor
but
acute
medical
emergency,
I
will
have
to
miss
our
hearing
regarding
curbside
composting
this
morning.
Thank
you
to
all
the
advocates
who
are
here
today.
I
remain
focused
on
building
our
capacity
as
a
city
towards
a
citywide
curbside
composting
program.
Boston
boasts
some
amazing
models
of
worker-owned
and
focused
companies
such
as
bootstrap
composting
encierro,
and
they
are
doing
fantastic
work
across
the
city.
A
I
would
be
remiss
to
say
that
as
we
build
as
we
work
to
build,
our
capacity
I
would
like
to
share
my
full
support
of
a
pilot
program
based
on
the
strong
interest
of
neighborhoods,
like
Bay
Village
and
Matapan
I.
Look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
and
stand
in
lockstep
with
chairman
O'malley
in
taking
the
next
step
towards
a
sustainable
curbside
composting
system.
I
will
have
staff
present
at
the
hearing
and
look
forward
to
reviewing
the
tape
all
the
best
Ayanna
Presley
Boston
City
Council
at-large.
A
You
know
this
is
an
issue
that
we
first
introduced,
probably
six
or
so
years
ago,
and
we've
reintroduced
it
nearly
every
year.
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
interest
in
this
I
know
and
we're
gonna
hear
from
some
amazing
colleagues
from
the
administration
on
efforts
that
we're
doing
to
get
to
zero
waste.
But
curbside
compost
is
the
next
logical
step.
A
This
is
something
I,
often
say
and
I
sound,
like
a
broken
record,
that
every
environmentalist
ought
to
every
fiscal
conservative
ought
to
be
an
environmentalist,
because
not
only
our
environmental
and
issues,
often
good
for
the
environment,
they're
also
good
for
the
ratepayer
good
for
the
taxpayer
as
well.
We
have
seen
how
other
cities
have
implemented
curbside
composting
program,
specifically
I'm
talking
about
Francisco,
San,
Francisco
or
Seattle,
which
have
done
some
great
things
for
across
the
river
and
Cambridge.
A
They
began
a
piloted
program
in
a
small
section
in
Cambridge
and
then
were
able
to
expand
it
citywide.
So
I
know
that
we've
done
some
good
things
at
the
city
level
as
it
relates
to
project
Oscar
as
it
relates
to
other
things,
but
to
truly
get
to
to
zero
waste.
This
has
to
be
the
logical
step,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
efforts
have
been
made.
The
way
this
hearing
will
work
is
we've
got
two
panels,
we're
starting
with
the
administration
panel.
A
Then
we'll
have
some
experts
from
whom
we
will
air
from
shortly
and
then
we're
gonna
open
it
up
to
public
testimony.
So
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak,
who
hasn't
just
signed
in
already,
please
do
the
sign-in
sheets
to
the
to
my
left,
your
right
and
we
will
begin
shortly,
but
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
and
thank
my
dear
colleague
and
friend,
counselor
Edie
Flynn
from
district
2
give
any
opening
remarks
or
thoughts.
Counselor,
Flynn,
Thank.
B
You
councillor
Malley,
for,
of
course,
your
leadership
on
this
issue,
along
with
council
Presley.
It's
an
important
issue
facing
our
city.
Thank
you
to
your
leadership
to
the
mayor's
leadership
on
trying
to
develop
a
plan
that
works
for
every
neighborhood
of
Boston.
It
will
be
good
for
the
city
healthy
for
our
city
and
I.
Think
you're
leading
us
in
the
right
direction,
working
closely
with
the
mayor's
office
to
come
up
with
the
plan
and
strategy
and
I
know.
B
A
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
councillor
Flynn,
you
know
the
just
before
I
get
into
to
you.
Chief
in
your
panel
I
want
to
note
that
there
are
over
a
hundred
municipalities
nationwide
that
offer
full
curbside
composting.
These
include
Portland
Seattle,
San,
Francisco
and
Austin
Texas.
These
cities
have
had
great
success
with
their
composting
programs.
San
Francisco
diverts
more
than
60%
of
its
waste
from
landfills
through
composting
and
recycling.
A
In
the
first
year
of
curbside
composting
Portland
Oregon
decreased
trash
production
by
nearly
40
percent
I
believe
the
Cambridge
numbers
showed
a
10%
right
off
the
bat
reduction
as
well.
This
is
real
money
that
we
are
saving
the
tipping
fee
for
for
debris
is
probably
86
or
close
to
$90
we'll
get
into
that,
and
we're
saving
this
by
the
by
signify.
Millions
of
dollars
could
be
saved
if
done
properly.
So,
let's
make
it
happen.
C
Counselor
thanks
so
much
for
convening
this
hearing
for
your
leadership
on
this
councilor
Pressley
Casper
Flint
as
well.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
leadership
on
this
wanted
to
do
it's
three
quick
things.
One
provide
a
general
overview
and
background
on
a
sort
of
curbside
or
residential
waste
in
the
city
of
Boston.
Second
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
current
efforts
and
then
third
talk
about
next
steps.
C
Just
as
background
in
fiscal
year,
17
the
city
of
Boston
collected
at
the
curbside
around
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
tons
of
either
recycling
or
trash
or
yard
waste
of
that
around
50,000
was
recyclables
or
yard
waste,
leaving
about
a
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
tons.
That
was
trash
based
upon
some
waste
audits
that
we
have
done
in
some
other
ways
out
it's
about
there.
The
estimate
is
that
of
that
hundred.
C
Ninety
thousand
tons,
probably
around
a
third,
is
organic
material,
and
of
that
a
third
of
that
sixty
thousand
tons
roughly
apply
forty
thousand
tons
is
food.
Waste
in
about
20,000
tons
is
yard
waste.
So
to
your
sort
of
the
point
of
your
opening
remarks,
there's
a
huge
opportunity
in
front
of
us
in
many
ways.
The
logical
next
step
for
us
to
take
is
figure
out.
How
do
we
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
organics
are
going
into
the
waste
stream
that
are
currently
getting
sent
to
a
waste
energy
plant.
A
Just
so
sorry
do
I
have
that
right,
so
240,000
tons
of
trash
recycling
or
yard
waste
were
picked
up
last
year.
A
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
tons
of
that
240
were
either
the
single
stream
recycling
or
the
yard
waste.
Thank
you
for
expanding
by
the
way
it's
expanded
this
year.
We're
very
pleased
for
that.
So
a
hundred
ninety
K
of
that
was
just
trash
and
a
third
so
about
60,000
tons
of
that
trash
to
either
be
food
or
yard
waste
that
was
thrown
out
with
the
trash.
C
All
of
that
then
gets
picked
up
and
taken
to
the
Audubon
nature
center,
our
city
composting
facility
at
the
Audubon
nature
center
and
in
collaboration
with
our
partners
at
City
soil.
Last
year,
around
80
200
tons
of
yard
waste
collection
got
converted
to
about
1,200
tons
of
compost
that
went
back
to
the
city's
community
gardens.
C
Obviously
it
is
not
just
about
the
yard
waste,
it
is
also
about
the
food
waste
and,
as
you
said
in
the
in
your
opening
remarks,
one
of
the
programs
that
we've
been
running
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
This
project
Oscar,
which
is
for
those
who
don't
know
a
sort
of
a
community
collection
site,
places
that
people
can
actually
take
their
food
waste.
We
have
the
project
Oscar
bins
at
six
different
locations
across
the
city,
Brighton
Jamaica,
Plain,
Grove,
Hall,
City,
Hall,
North
End
in
East
Boston
at
those
sites
and
through
a
contract.
C
Currently,
with
save
that
stuff,
we
collect
around
34
tons
of
food
waste
from
households
each
year.
We
also
collect
food
waste
that
comes
from
Haymarket
and
from
Haymarket
we
collect
around
1,100
tons
of
food
waste,
which
then
gets
taken
to
Rocky
Hill
in
Saugus
for
composting
over
the
course
of
every
calendar
year.
In
addition
to
the
project
Oscar
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
at
Haymarket,
the
city
also
has
a
number
of
tools
and
tips
and
services
online.
C
C
Thank
you
to
your
point,
though
this
is
just
the
start,
and
so
we
have
been
looking
at
through
the
mayor's
zero
waste
effort.
Looking
at
how
do
we
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
that
we
are
generating
in
the
city
and
that
we
are
throwing
away
at
the
city?
Organics
is
a
huge
opportunity
there,
so
we
have
charged
our
consultant
partner
on
the
zero
waste
effort
to
basically
look
at
four
different
ways
of
addressing
organics
in
our
city.
One
would
be
expanding
the
number
of
garbage
disposals
in
in
homes.
C
The
second
is
to
expand
services
like
project
Oscar,
so
communal
composting
site.
The
third
option
would
be
to
better
support
small
businesses
that
are
already
doing
some
form
of
curbside
composting,
and
the
fourth
option
would
be
running
some
form
of
city
supported
or
City
led
curbside
composting
program
that
fourth
option.
The
City
led
program
could
either
look
something
like
what
we
do
with
yard
waste
recyclables,
where
it's
a
every
household
every
week
or
every
other
week,
or
it
could
be
something
more
akin
to
bulk
out
and
pick
up
where
it
is.
C
You
call
for
a
pickup
and
we
come
and
pick
up
that
service
they're,
going
through
the
work
right
now
of
essentially
putting
together
the
cost
benefit
of
each
of
those
options.
It
is.
They
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
Just
given
sort
of
the
diversity
of
residential
building
types,
there
might
be
something
that
works
better
in
a
large
multi-dwelling
unit,
something
that
works
better
in
a
triple-decker,
rowhouse
neighborhood.
C
There
might
be
something
that
works
better
in
a
single-family
home
neighborhood,
so
we
were
looking
at
all
of
those
options
and
as
part
of
that
also
looking
not
just
at
what's
the
cost
of
running
and
the
benefit
of
sort
of
reduction
of
food
waste
in
currently
in
trash
cans,
but
also
looking
at
the
value
of
the
end
product
itself,
that's
something
that
we'd
be
weighing
in
to
making
a
decision
about
how
we
would
we
would
expand
from
there.
The
zero
waste
effort
is
ongoing.
We
are
roughly
halfway
through
the
zero
waste
planning.
C
Our
next
meeting
is
July
16th
for
anybody
who
is
interested
and
wants
to
comment
on
on
this
and
doesn't
get
a
chance
to
in
this
here,
and
they
can
also
go
online
or
come
to
one
of
our
zero
waste
meetings
and
learn
more
about
what
we're
doing
so.
We
can
figure
out
how
to
do
exactly
what
you
said.
How
do
we
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
organics
that
are
being
thrown
away
and
instead
have
them
give
our
residents
a
better
opportunity
to
be
able
to
compost
them
throughout
the
city?
A
We've
done
this
now
five
times,
and
that
is
the
first
time
that
I
heard
the
city
is
actually
looking
at
running
a
city,
LED
curbside
composting.
So
well
done
so
do
our
advocates
here.
That's
that's
music
to
my
ears
and
and
I
suspect,
my
colleagues
as
well.
When
so
you
may
have
a
consultant
partner
right
now.
Looking
at
four
items,
you'd
mentioned
the
first
three
are
all
good.
We
should
be
doing
those
anyway.
The
fourth
is
what
I'm
gonna
drill
down
on
I'm
excited
about?
What?
C
C
Intent,
though,
is
for
the
zero
waste
plan
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
this
year,
and
it
may
be
like
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done.
There
is
in
similar
to
your
European
comments
in
the
comments
from
counselor
Presley.
We
may,
with
any
of
these
things,
look
at
how
do
you
pile
it
and
then
how
do
you
scale.
C
A
That's
really
exciting!
Just
because
I
mean
project
Oscar
is
good,
but
if
I
have
it
right,
you
said
sort
of
at
the
six
sites
34
tons
each
year
correct,
accumulated
where
of
just
food,
we're
looking
at
40,000
tons,
so
you
know
significant
the
bucket.
So
that's
very,
very
interesting.
So
what
would
I
get
I
guess?
The
first
question
being
I
want
to
thank
my
dear
colleague
and
friend
district
one
council,
lady
Edwards,
for
joining
us.
A
C
It
would
not
just
be
that,
but
it
would
be
looking
at
essentially
a
perfectly
if
we
want
curbside
a
significant
sort
of
one-time
cost
of
buying
buckets
for
kitchens
buckets
for
curbs
liners
and
we're
probably
looking
it
would
be.
A
multi-million
dollar
effort.
Yeah
every
house
in
the
city
of
Boston,
from
an
initial
estimate,
would
probably
around
fourteen
million
dollars
that
I
granthia.
E
F
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
just
40,000
tons
of
food
times.
Seventy
dollars
is
2.8
million
dollars.
So
that's
pretty
you
know
it's
pretty
interesting
as
well.
Okay
and
then
tell
a
little
bit
about.
Can
you
talk
to
maybe
Susan?
This
would
be
a
good
thing
for
you
Brian.
If
you
want
to
jump
in
how
do
we
deal
with
the
the
composted
materials
right
now,
the
organics
from
project
Oscar
you
mentioned
they
go
to.
Is
it
sagas,
Charleston?
Okay,
so.
D
A
And
just
because
it's
it's
a
significantly
smaller
contract,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
the
same.
Oh
nice
process,
alright,
okay,
great
and
would
Charles.
If
we
were
to
you
know
even
begin
this
sort
of
I,
either
as
a
pilot
and
then
to
scale,
would
Charleston
be
able
to
handle
it.
Or
would
we
likely
have
to
go
to
a
larger
facility
they
could
handle
it,
they
could
handle
it.
Yeah.
That's
great.
F
D
A
D
A
B
C
D
In
a
multi-family
building
on
Blue
Hill
Ave
in
Dorchester,
there
were
48
units
and
we
did
a
six
months
pilot
and
they
had
no
disposers
beforehand
and
we
worked
with
InSinkErator.
They
pay
for
the
disposers,
they
installed
them
and
over
a
six-month
period
we
reduced
their
amount
of
trash
by
30%,
really.
A
E
E
The
entire
supply
chain.
I
think
that
the
city
should
be
responsible
for
as
you're
working
with
subcontractors
as
you're
talking
to
them
that
were
ever.
The
waste
lands
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
those
workers
to
unionize
to
get
paid
to
own
their
own
future
to
own
well
to
own.
The
business,
if
necessary,
I
would
love
for
the
city
to
also
look
at
possibly
favoring
those
organizations
that
are
locally
owned
in
part
of
being
this
supply
chain.
E
I
think
my
biggest
concern
is
that,
while
we
might
be
doing
right
by
our
environmental
future
that
we
could
be
with
City
dollars
supporting,
maybe
potentially
at
what
not
not
supporting
workers
as
we
could
be
on
a
living
wage,
I'm
proud
to
have
been
a
supporter
and
someone
who
works
with
a
great
deal
with
cooperatives.
I
see
there's
some
incredible
people
from
cero
co-op
here
today
and
I
stand
with
them
and
they're,
not
there.
E
Their
ability
to
combine
workers
rights
with
also
environmental
justice
and
I
think
that
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
amplify
that
so
I'll
say
that
now,
I
also
represent
the
North
End
and
happily,
and
proudly
someone
from
Hyde
Park
recently
said
that
they
had
the
best
Italian
food,
I,
love,
Hyde,
Park,
but
there's
no
way.
But
since
we're
on
the
topic
of
organic
waste,
I
know
that
restaurants
I
think
commercial
entities
probably
produce
more
than
than
the
residential.
Am
I
correct?
Yes,.
F
E
How
are
we
bringing
them
to
the
table?
I
understand
that
the
city
cannot
or
does
not
pick
up
their
stuff
and
they
have
private
entities.
But
how
do
we
bring
the
commercial
entities
who
are
throwing
up
food
on
a
daily
basis
to
the
table?
What
would
what
would
we
have?
I
think
it's
infrastructure,
you
can't
ignore
them.
So
what
would
be
the
city's
suggestions?
I
have
some,
but
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you.
This.
C
Is
amol
poly
I
don't
have
more
details
than
I
will,
but
in
our
zero
waste
effort
they're,
essentially
two
groups,
one
is
thinking
about
residential
and
the
other
is
thinking
about
the
commercial
side,
commercial,
industrial
and
institutional,
and
so
as
part
of
that
component
of
zero
waste
effort.
They're,
certainly
looking
at
how
we
encourage
or
support
institutions
and
restaurants,
to
be
able
to
actually
address
food
waste.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
specifics,
you
want
to
get
into
Susan
on
that
I
think.
D
The
biggest
one
for
the
restaurants
is
the
food
donation
and
I
guess
there
have
been
some
barriers
to
those
outlets
being
able
to
give
away
their
food.
So
the
that's
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
at
this
plan
to
work
with
the
Blossom
Public
Health
Commission,
to
address
those
barriers.
So
it's
more
easy,
it's
easier
for
those
to.
E
Donate
I
believe
it's
prepared.
Food
Mike
I
met
with
a
woman
who
runs
or
is
it
he
acted
decorative
director
of
loving
spoonfuls
and
the
fact
that
it's,
when
it's
prepared
and
sitting
under
a
hot
lamp
that
that
food
itself
is
the
hardest
one
to
get
access
to
to
donate.
So
so
the
city's
already
working
on
those
regulations
to
see
how
that
could
be
updated.
D
E
I
think
also
one
of
the
city
has
one
of
the
most
powerful.
You
know
positions
of
bargaining
when
it
comes
to
incentivizing
businesses
to
do
things,
whether
that's
through
taxes
or
whether
that's
through
licensing
so
really
as
restaurants,
are
coming
on
board
or
as
they've
been
there
and
they're
renewing
their
licenses.
You
know
letting
them
first,
that's
a
touch
that
the
city
will
automatically
have
with
them,
but
also
letting
them
know
that
as
you're
coming
forward.
These
are
certain
if
you
were
to
use
a
local
composting
company
to
help
with
picking
up
your
trash.
E
You
know
the
city
would
look
at
that
as
part
of
your
licensing
application
or
as
part
of
reducing,
maybe
some
of
your
taxes
or
something
like
that.
I
just
I
just
feel
that
there's
a
certain
point
I
understand
that
when
it
comes
to
commercial
you're
in
an
interesting
position
versus
residential,
but
that
we
should
leverage
as
much
as
possible
to
get
them
to
the
table
without
you
know
mandating
but
really
incentivizing
in
a
huge
way.
It's
just
it's
just
one
of
the
biggest
issues
I've
had
in
our
district
is
about.
E
You
know,
rats
and
and
I've
heard
that
you
know
picking
up,
compost
and
being
able
to
move
that
organic
waste
regularly
would
actually
help
reduce
one
of
the
other,
bigger
problems
that
the
city
ends
up,
paying
for
which
is
pest
control.
So
I,
just
I'm,
really
excited
about
this
conversation.
I
think
we're
headed
in
the
right
way,
I
think
beyond
the
pilot.
I
think
we
need
to
be
talking
abou
in
a
huge
way
to.
C
Very
few
of
them
are
within
20
miles
of
the
city
of
Boston,
the
more
that
they
can
be
close
to
the
city,
the
easier
it
is
for
us
and
what
and
the
more
affordable
it
is
for
us
to
actually
be
able
to
collect
and
process
organics,
whether
it's
picked
up
at
a
curbside
or
picked
up
from
a
restaurant,
so
I
think
there
will
be
as
we
pursue
this
path.
I
think
inevitably,
you're
going
to
see
more
of
a
local
industry
develop
around
us
and.
E
F
H
E
C
F
There'll
be
a
warranty
on
them.
Well,
we
have
to
worry
about
really
just
look
at
is,
if
you're
giving
everybody
a
recycling
cot,
you
have
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
gonna
use
it
correctly
right
now,
we're
really
having
a
serious
problem
with
the
recycling
like
people
are
starting
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
recycling
and
the
problem
with
the
industry
right
now,
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
contamination
levels
that
are
in
their
bins,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the.
F
You
know
the
numbers,
the
containment
they're
just
getting
tighter
on
what
how
cleaner
it
is
over
the
facility.
So
all
the
stuff,
that's
going
on
in
China
that
everybody
has
been
my
kind
of
reading
about
and
yeah
you
know.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
popped
up
as
a
big
issue,
so
people
are
really
you
know,
but
they
can
the
people
that
cassell
are
really
trying
to
help
send
clean
material
there
to
get
recycled
and
used
properly
and
we
need
to
give
them
a
cleaner
product.
F
So
if
we
haven't
such
a
problem
with
the
recycling
citywide,
you
know
given
people
the
96,
gallon
cart
or
64,
gallon
cart.
It's
something
that
we're
really
concerned
about
is
given
everybody,
a
32,
gallon
green
bin
for
composting
and
what's
the
contamination
gonna
be,
then
you
know
it's
it's
things
we
need
to
really
iron
out
before
you
know
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
You
know
it's.
F
We
have
to
really
know
that
we're
gonna
do
the
right
thing
and
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
and
schooling
education
outreach
all
that
like
we,
it's
not
the
question.
If
we
want
to
do
it,
we
definitely
want
to
do
it.
I'd
love
to
see
the
trash
cut
in
half
someday,
but
how
do
we
get
to
that
point?
The
right
way
not
get
charged
for
contamination
and
stuff
like
that?
So
that's
a
big
issue.
We
have
to
look
at
so.
E
F
F
A
You
just
following
up
on
that
so
because
I
think
I
think
you
you
hit
a
very
important
point
that
I'd
neglected
to
underscore
in
my
first
line
of
questioning
is
that
public
education
is
absolutely
key
to
this.
You
know
it's
it's
disappointing.
To
hear
that
sort
of
our
contamination
rate
has
stayed,
has
stayed
so
stable
when
you
would
think
there's
there's
a
better
awareness
of
what's
going
on,
but
maybe
it's
on
us.
Maybe
it's
councillors.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job.
A
You
know
talking
to
our
constituents,
maybe
it's
your
team
and
now
working
with
you
know,
chief
cook
and
his
team
in
terms
of
just
a
better
public
awareness,
but
it
also
makes
me
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
do
it
all
at
once
and
use
the
resources
that
we
have
our
property
taxes.
You
know
quarterly
send
something.
This
is
how
we
do
use.
You
know
public.
A
We
get
certain
amount
of
free
ad
space
on
MBTA,
you
know
buses
and
in
inside
the
trains,
but
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
here
to
address
sort
of
the
the
contamination
and
our
recycling
as
well
as
ramping
out
curbside,
and
what
that
means.
I
learned,
you
know
not
too
long
ago
that
you
can
put
napkins
and
curbs
and
composting
I
had
no
idea
that
you
could
do
that
before
I'm.
A
Grateful
that,
because
of
the
efforts
of
this
of
this
body
and
signed
into
law
by
Mayor
Walsh,
that
plastic
bags
will
be
less
prevalent
in
our
and
our
recycle
bins
next
year,
because
I
know
that
has
been
a
significant
cost
as
well.
So
maybe
the
idea
I
mean
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
the
consultant
sort
of
come
back
with,
but
I
kind
of,
like
the
idea
of
even
before
we
get
to
the
pilot
program.
A
So
I
think
the
the
appetite
is
certainly
there
and
we're
gonna
hear
from
some
folks
later
and
the
opportunity
is
there
as
well
to
maybe
help
educate,
more
people
and-
and
you
know,
I
put
myself
and
my
colleagues
in
that
as
well,
and
then
my
last
question
for
this
round
is:
what
do
we
do
with
the
show
for
currently?
What
do
we
do
with
sort
of
the
34
tons
that
are
composed
from
project
Oscar
and
then
what
could
we
do
if
we
were
to
expand
this
significantly?
A
C
The
grandmother
this
stuff
that
is
actually
returned
to
the
city
of
Boston
is
the
yard
waste
which
is
going
to
the
to
our
composting
facility
on
American
Legion
Highway
yeah,
the
material
that
goes
to
core
I'm,
not
sure,
comes
right
back
to
the
city
and
the
Haymarket,
your
food
waste
that
goes
to
Rocky
Hill.
That
becomes
essentially
a
compostable
sort
of
do.
D
A
C
A
Just
I
think
but
I
think
if
we
were
to
ramp
it
up
and
grow
it.
That
could
be
a
great
resource
that
we
have.
That
could
maybe
help
offset
some
of
the
cost.
I
mean
to
sell
it
at
sell
it
at
costs,
but
enough
to
incentivize.
You
know
an
amateur
gardener
such
as
myself
to
you
know,
support
this
program,
support
the
city
and
be
able
to
pick
it
up
in
a
closed
base,
so
I
think
we'd.
F
Have
to
check
with
the
state
on
that
with
the
Autobahn
yeah,
there
is
their
land
that
we
use
for
the
program.
So
so
again
you
know
the
infrastructure
and
land
that
everything
is
very
important,
because
there's
not
many
places
that
we
can
do
this,
we're
fortunate
to
have
that
space
yeah
that
we
can
use-
and
you
know,
do
what
we
do
there,
but
well.
A
I
would
even
argue
then
and
again,
I
just
I
want
this
to
happen.
So
I
want
to
throw
up
as
few
roadblocks
as
possible,
but
perhaps
look
at
some
of
the
DPW
yards
as
opportunities
where
you
know
we
could
ship
a
finite
amount
of
compost
that
people
then
could
pick
up
and
use
and
maybe
pay
a
nominal
amount
for,
but
I
think
that
I
think
this
is
a
real,
exciting
opportunity.
A
So
you
know
I
I'm,
very
delighted
to
hear
and
chief
Osgood
thank
you
and
your
team
Brian
and
Susan
for
spending
a
little
time
with
us
this
morning.
I'm
delighted
to
hear
you
know
that
this
seems
like
this
is
something
you
all
are
taking
very
very
seriously
in
terms
of
sort
of
the,
for
you
know
next
steps,
expanding
disposals,
expanding
project,
Oscar,
better
support
for
small
businesses
and
then
running
a
city,
LED
curbside
composting
program,
in
addition
to
you're,
saying,
increase
the
yard
waste
pickup
to
twenty
weeks,
but
that's
different.
A
It
seems,
like
that's
gonna,
that's
likely
to
happen
next
year,
which
is
great.
This
could
be.
This
could
be
terrific.
This
god-willing
could
be
the
last
time
we
do.
A
curbside
composting
hearing
and
I
think
you
guys
would
love
that
as
much
as
I
would
so
I'm
gonna.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
have
no
further
questions
councillor
ever
just
no
further
questions.
If
you
are
free
I
invite
you
to
just
stay,
we're
actually
moving
pretty
quickly
so
just
to
hear
from
the
next
panel,
and
maybe
if,
when
some
folks
testify,
that
would
be
great.
A
A
I
Morning,
good
morning,
I'm
Laura
Holmes
general
manager
at
Sarah,
co-op
and
Thank
You,
councillor
O'malley
and
councillor
Edwards
for
being
here.
The
Environment
Committee
for
convening
this
hearing
about
a
very
important
topic
at
a
very
important
moment
in
time.
I'm,
a
worker
owner
and
general
manager
at
Sarah,
cooperative,
Boston's,
only
wmb
commercial
compost,
services
company.
We
divert
more
than
50
tons
of
compostable
waste
every
week
for
more
than
60
business
and
institutional
customers.
That's
50
tons
of
material,
that's
no
longer
being
burned
in
waste-to-energy
plants.
I
That's
the
green
washed
branding
now
used
for
what
are
really
toxic
incinerators.
We're
currently
all
of
Boston's
waste
goes
up
in
smoke
at
Seto.
We're
proud
to
be
growing
a
business
that
provides
good
green
jobs
and
worker
ownership
in
our
community,
while
creating
a
sustainable
alternative
for
the
city's
organic
waste.
I
first
testified
before
this
committee
at
your
hearing
in
2014.
Since
that
time,
significant
development
should
inform
our
policy
and
budgetary
deliberations.
Now
the
mass
DEP
organics
waistband
has
gone
into
effect,
encouraging
more
businesses
to
participate
in
food
waste.
I
Diversion
there's
broad
recognition
across
the
planet
that
organic
waste
is
the
most
obvious
early
target
for
reducing
all
waste.
Organic
waste
is
increasingly
recognized
as
a
valuable
resource
when
processed
properly
composted
food
waste
alone
can
replenish
all
of
the
depleted
soil
on
earth
in
the
soil.
It
acts
as
a
sponge
sucking
up
carbon
and
mitigating
co2.
The
greenhouse
gas
that
contributes
most
to
climate
change,
we're
seeing
a
whole
new
biogas
in
just
develop
around
food
waste.
That's
demonstrating
the
great
promise
for
this
renewable
fuel.
I
What
a
great
alternative
to
fracked
gas
cities
across
the
country,
including
Boston,
are
implementing
zero
waste
plans.
This
is
great.
At
the
same
time,
it
means
that
leaders
like
you
all
will
be
making
critical
policy
decisions
with
far-reaching
future
impact,
because
diversion
and
recycling
organic
waste
is
so
new
in
this
country
and
the
amounts
are
so
large.
I
I
Organic
processing
technologies
are
evolving
dynamically
and
they
very
enormous
leap.
The
oldest
forms
of
windrow
composting
have
undergone
major
modernization
and
we
don't
have
nearly
enough
windrow
capacity
as
the
as
the
city
folks
said,
especially
within
reasonable
proximity
to
the
city.
Big
waste
to
energy
incinerators
and
anaerobic
digesters
have
moved
in
to
gobble
up
large
amounts
of
organics,
but
they're.
A
bad
alternative,
just
as
over
investment
in
fossil
fuels,
mean
there's
been
under.
Investment
in
renewable
energy,
burning,
organics
and
incinerators
are
mixing.
Food
waste
with
sewage,
which
is
what
happens
in
digesters,
are
false
solutions.
I
If
that's
where
our
organic
sar
going,
we
might
as
well
just
flush
our
food
waste
down
the
toilet.
If
we
choose
burning
and
flushing
as
the
primary
organic
solution,
we
squander
the
phenomenal
resources
organic
waste
offers.
Instead
of
extracting
the
organics
forever
away
from
the
food
growing
cycle,
we
should
view
development
of
an
organics
infrastructure
as
a
golden
opportunity
to
achieve
positive
environmental
and
economic
impact.
We
applaud
the
city
of
Cambridge
for
rolling
out
a
citywide
curbside
compost
collection
program.
I
At
this
hearing
in
2014
I,
remember
hearing
about
the
pilot
they
had
begun
in
North
Cambridge.
The
pilot
demonstrated
that
residents
do
want
to
compost.
It
significantly
reduced
over
trash
and
the
organic
waste
was
being
processed
at
an
Eastern
mass
windrow
facility,
where
food
waste
was
recycled
into
healthy
soil
products.
The
challenge
facing
Cambridge
now
is
an
acute
lack
of
infrastructure,
which
is
needed
to
compost
from
the
twenty
five
thousand
households
now
eligible
to
participate
in
the
program.
I
The
only
processing
facility
they
have
found
prepared
to
handle
the
volume
is
by
trucking
it
to
this
Charlestown
slurry
plant.
You
have
been
hearing
about
where
water
is
added,
to
make
it
into
a
slush
that
they
then
pump
into
more
trucks
and
deliver
it
to
Lawrence
there.
It's
pumped
into
an
anaerobic
digester
and
mixed
up
with
wastewater
from
the
sewer
system.
I
I'm,
not
sure
how
the
fertilizer
by-product
is
applied
in
agriculture,
but
I,
don't
think
I'd
want
to
put
it
on
my
garden
still
I
do
applaud
Cambridge
for
making
the
commitment
to
divert
organics
and
I'm
glad
it's
shining
the
light
on
the
need
for
better
or
Vann
organics
processing
infrastructure.
Let
us
in
Boston
commit
to
helping
build
that
infrastructure
and
let's
do
it
the
right
way.
I
When
we
build
a
composting
infrastructure,
the
right
way.
We
will
prioritize
highest
possible
use
solutions,
highest
use,
solutions,
maximize
the
value,
an
environmental
benefit
available
in
collecting
organic
waste.
All
composting
mitigates
methane
and
produces
energy,
not
all
composting
technologies,
recycle
the
organic
material
in
the
ways
that
are
best
for
soil,
health
farming
and
growing
food
places
to
start
should
support
a
diversity
of
systems.
I
From
the
moment,
we
started
building
seto
cooperative
in
2012
we
partnered
with
city
soil,
which
has
composted
thousands
of
tonnes,
inba
of
Boston's
yard
waste
for
many
years.
Incorporating
food
scraps
into
this
existing
system
would
be
the
cheapest
fastest
and
most
logical
first
step.
The
city
could
take
to
build
local
organics
infrastructure.
I
I
We
support
Boston
to
take
on
residential
curbside
composting
and
let's
dedicate
ourselves
as
a
city
as
residents
and
as
workers,
to
figuring
out
how
to
do
organics
right,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
give
you
any
more
info.
That
might
be
helpful
and
thank
you
for
having
this
hearing.
Thank.
A
J
G
J
On
the
way
and
NBA
Draft
just
happened,
I
got
I
got
a
lot
on
my
plate,
but
I'm
gonna
try
and
do
the
best
the
best
job
that
I
can
with
what
I
know,
which
is
quite
a
bit
about
this
area.
I
started
my
company
in
2011
and
Jamaica
Plain,
using
a
hand
truck
to
pick
up
organics
from
homes
using
a
five
gallon
bucket
system.
J
The
word
spread
pretty
quickly.
I
got
some
really
nice
media
coverage
and
it
just
sort
of
has
been
you
know
growing.
Ever
since
today
we
have
2,200
residential
accounts
throughout
the
city
and
200
commercial
accounts
throughout
the
city
as
well,
which
it's
primarily
offices,
which
is
an
interesting
segment
of
our
customer
base.
To
date.
Since
2011,
we
have
managed
to
divert
3
million
pounds
of
organics
from
the
waste
stream.
That
represents
approximately
1.5
million
of
compost.
That
1.5
million
pounds
of
compost
is
either
stayed
on-site
to
the
farms
where
we
work.
J
We
work
with
rocky
hill
farm
in
Saugus
and
we
work
with
some
smaller
community
farms
throughout
the
city.
So
we
bring
our
organics
to
these
to
these
locations
and
then
they
sort
of
benefit
from
from
that
process.
They're
able
to
to
to
use
those
feedstocks,
add
carbon
and
make
a
premium
soil
amendment
for
their
benefit.
So
that's
where
the
majority
of
the
the
finished
compost
stays
the
rest
is
distributed
to
our
are
2200
households.
So
that
is
a
beautiful
thing.
J
That
I
am
super
proud
of
with
bootstrap
compost
is
we're
not
just
making
compost
but
we're
also
redistributing
it
to
the
community
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
schools,
community
gardens
bike
paths
that
sort
of
thing
to
get
the
material
actually
out
there.
So
people
can
understand
the
benefits
of
nutrient-rich
soil
amendments.
J
J
The
way
I
see
it
is
composting
is
a
necessary
evil
with
with
tremendous
benefits
right,
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
that
can
be
had
in
terms
of
mitigating
carbon,
creating
again
this
beautiful
soil
amendment
for
improving
yield
and
fighting
plant
disease
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
there
is
no
doubt
a
lot
of
benefits
to
composting
without
question,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
start
to
tackle
the
root
of
food
waste
right.
Why?
J
And
this
is
a
hard
thing
to
legislate,
but
but
but
perhaps
we
should
begin
having
a
conversation
about
the
amount
of
material,
the
amount
of
groceries,
the
amount
of
the
the
size
of
portions,
whatever
it
is,
there's
too
much
food
waste
being
generated,
people
are
over
buying.
We
need
to
reel
that
in
through
through
my
job,
you
know,
being
the
CEO
of
bootstrap
compost.
I've
visited
I
have
had
the
pleasure
of
visiting
many
many
schools,
Boston
Public
Schools
private
schools,
schools
that
have
invited
me
in
to
talk
to
do
audits.
J
That
sort
of
thing-
and
one
thing
that
I've
noticed,
is
that
these
schools
are
getting
lunches
and
snacks
that
the
students
do
not
want.
They
are
telling
me
point
blank.
Mr.
Brooks
I
do
not
want
this
Apple.
This
Apple
is
not
good
right,
so
they're
getting
this
stuff,
presumably
through
contracts
through
through
the
city
of
Boston,
and
this
this
is
just
food
that
they
do
not
want.
It
doesn't
look
appetizing
and
it
breaks
my
heart
that
it's
that
we
have
this
this
this
chain,
that
is,
that
is
so
wasteful.
J
So
you
have
a
school
that
wants
to
compost
because
they
have
too
much
food
that
they're
not
even
interested
in
eating.
It's
it's
just
a
really
weird
problem
and
I
think
we
need
to
address
it.
I
know
it's
a
drop
in
the
bucket
in
terms
of
what
the
City
of
Boston
is
generating,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
good
place
to
start
and
sort
of
you
know
begin
the
conversation
so
again,
I'll
be
here.
I'm
happy
to
talk.
This
is
an
exciting
you
know
morning
and
thank
you
again
so
much
for
having
me.
Thank
you.
K
Good
morning
my
name
is
Laura
Orlando.
Thank
you,
councilors,
Edwards
and
O'malley
for
having
this
hearing
and
letting
me
speak.
I'm
a
civil
engineer,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
a
small
nonprofit
called
Ryles
and
I'm
an
adjunct,
professor
at
the
Boston
University
School
of
Public
Health
I've
spent
the
past
thirty
years,
looking
at
what
goes
in
the
sewer
and
what
comes
out
of
it.
The
end
products
which
are
treated
wastewater
and
sewage
sludge
I'd
like
to
speak
to
a
contamination
issue
which
is
adding,
which
is
the
the
sewage
sludge
and
I've
written
testimony.
K
It's
got
some
technical
information
in
it,
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
but
I'll
leave
it
for
you
and
but
I
I
support
the
I'm,
an
advocate
for
the
compote
curbside
composting
of
food
waste
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
it
is
not
composting.
When
one
adds
food
waste
to
sewage
sludge,
what
putting
food
in
the
sewers
not
an
environmentally
responsible
act,
it's
not
good
for
Public
Health
and
it's
an
environmental
justice
issue.
K
Since
the
rules
were
promulgated
in
1993
federal
rules
that
allow
the
so
called
land
application
of
sewage
sludge
communities
across
the
country
have
pushed
back.
Why?
Because
sewage
sludge
is
a
heterogeneous
mix
of
toxins,
everything
that
goes
down
the
sewer,
which
is
not
only
what's
flushed
down
the
toilet,
but
its
hospital
waste,
its
Road
runoff,
it's
industrial
wastes,
it's
every
every
thing
that
goes
into
that
pipe
adds
up
in
the
sewer
and
the
sewage
treatment
process
is
meant
to
address
the
organics.
K
K
They
end
up
in
the
wastewater
the
treated
wastewater
which
goes
out
in
Boston's
case
into
the
Atlantic
Ocean,
or
they
end
up
in
the
sewage
sludge,
nothing
about
the
anaerobic
digester
at
Deer,
Island,
detoxifies
or
otherwise
treats
or
mitigates
that
laundry
list
of
chemicals,
and
there
are
thousands
of
peer-reviewed
papers
that
will
demonstrate
or
that
show
you
know
it's
a
toxicologist
dream.
That'll
show
what
chemical
are.
What
chemicals,
if
you
look
for
it,
you'll
find
it.
You
know:
estradiol
from
birth
control,
pills,
triclosan,
partitions
to
sludge,
flame-retardants
partition
to
sludge,
and
so
I.
K
Brought
props,
we
know
what
this
is.
We
can
hand
this
over
to
Andy
or
lor
and
they
can
compost
this
and
we
know
that
that
compost
is
not
contaminated
and
that
I
can
put
it
in
my
garden
and
my
children
can
play
in
it
and
there's
not
a
public
health
threat,
and
we
don't
have
to
sit
here
and
talk
about
what
level
of
contaminants
is.
Okay
for
our
kids
or
our
food.
This
is
sewage
sludge.
It's
been
dried,
it's
been
mixed
with
two
parts:
woodchips,
it
looks
pretty
innocuous,
we
don't
know.
K
What's
in
it,
we
do
know
that
it
has
toxins
in
it.
So
if
you
mix
this
with
this,
it
becomes
sewage,
sludge
and
we'll
sit
here
and
have
discussions
about
how
much
poison
is
too
much
poison.
You
keep
it
separate.
You
don't
have
to
have
those
discussions,
and
this
is
an
environmental
justice
issue,
because
sludge
goes
to
the
poorest
communities
across
the
country.
K
For
a
long
time,
New
York
City
sent
their
sludge
by
train
to
the
poorest
County
in
Texas.
That's
just
one
example:
Virginia
New
Hampshire:
you
can
just
follow
the
sludge
and
it's
dumped
wherever
there's,
not
a
strong
push
back
and
whether
one
dries
sewage
sludge
puts
it
in
an
anaerobic
digester
adds
woodchips
to
it
or
otherwise
tries
to
compost
it.
It
has
its
contaminants
in
it,
and
so
I'm
I'm
here
to
encourage
you
not
to
add
food
waste
to
wastewater
treatment.
K
Plant
I
think
that
the
people
of
Jamaica
Plain,
for
instance,
will
be
interested
in
the
fact
that
big,
the
the
bin
at
Curtis
Hall
says
compost
on
it,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
compost
that
the
the
food
waste
is
not
being
composted.
The
people
of
Cambridge
are
being
told
that
they
have
a
curbside
compost
program.
It's
there's
nothing,
there's
no
composting
involved
and
there's
a
tremendous
waste
of
resources
and
it's
moving
one
hazardous
waste
problem
to
another
place.
K
L
Law
Foundation,
we
use
the
law
and
science
and
the
market
to
protect
human
health,
make
sure
what
the
environment
is
protected
but
also,
more
importantly,
protect
human
health.
Thank
you
so
much
for
calling
for
this
hearing
I'm
very
excited
about
this,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
good
work
that
the
City
of
Boston
is
done.
Susan,
casino
and
Chris,
Osgood
and
Brian
have
really
worked
hard
on
the
zero
waste
planning
process.
L
I'm
very
excited
that
that's
happening
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Boston
to
save
money,
create
jobs
and
also
protect
the
environment
and
not
send
its
waste
to
three
incinerators
instead
be
capturing
the
energy
in
the
in
those
materials
truly
capturing
it
by
reducing
reusing
recycling
and
composting.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
hard
work
on
that
I'm
very
excited
to
see
this
happen.
L
Looking
at
this
process
and
looking
at
composting
I
would
advise
you
very
strongly.
I've
read
studies
from
across
the
country
across
the
globe.
If
you
don't
go
big,
it's
not
gonna
work
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
Yes,
we
have
to
roll
this
out
carefully.
Yes,
we
have
to
have
pilot
programs.
Yes,
we
have
to
do
a
lot
of
Education
but
to
actually
see
savings
to
actually
see
savings
and
make
sure
that
this
works
and
actually
the
environment.
We
have
to
do
a
few
things
very
well.
L
One
of
them
is
you
need
to
get
your
food
waste
out
of
the
trash,
so
you
don't
have
to
pick
up
the
trash
as
often
North
End
is
a
perfect
example.
We
need
to
get
that
pressable
waste
of
food
waste,
those
excellent
fish,
the
excellent
fish
that
we
Italians
are
so
well
known,
for
we
need
that
out
of
the
trash,
and
then
you
can
pick
up
your
trash.
Less
often
that's
a
huge
savings.
Councillor
O'malley!
L
You
are
already
mentioning
the
tremendous
savings
from
the
the
tonnage
that
we
could
be
pulling
out
that
30%
that
we
were
talking
about
the
food
waste.
That's
right
now
the
further
percent
of
the
trash
that
were
throwing
out
right
now
that
could,
instead
of
paying
that
70
80
dollar
tipping
fee,
we
could
be
charging
a
lot
much
less
for
composting,
but
that's
only
going
to
work
if
the
system
works
throughout
the
whole
city
so
that
you
don't
have
spotty
pickup
areas,
you
really
need
to
be
efficient
about
your
pickup.
L
You
really
need
to
be
picking
up
the
trash
much
less
and
you
really
need
to
make
sure
of
it
that
the
contracts
that
you
write
and
I
know
I'm
a
broken
record
and
I've
spoken
to
all
of
you
about
this.
The
contracts
that
you
enter
into
need
to
capture
that
value.
You
need
to
be
saving
money
based
on
pickup
and
tonnage
so
that
the
composting
works
and
you
see
the
real
savings.
L
The
other
thing
that
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
of,
as
my
colleagues
up
here
by
already
spoken
about,
is
what
we're
doing.
Are
we
going
to
be
replacing
one
dangerous
system
with
another?
Is
it
a
fault
solution,
or
is
it
real
composting
or
real
and
aerobic
digestion
of
materials
separate
from
sewage
sludge
and
other
toxins?
L
If
you
are
putting
food
waste
down
your
waste
disposal
system
in
your
home,
you
were
it's
the
same
as
flushing
it
down
the
toilet
and
it
is
going
to
be
mixed
with
sewage
sludge,
and
then
you
will
never
get
clean
compost
that
can
be
added
safely
to
a
farm
or
to
a
children's
field
at
a
ball
field.
If
you
do
that,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
whether
you
process
it
through
an
anaerobic
digester,
meaning
that
it's
in
a
tank
and
then
it's
in
its
marieee
system.
L
Methane,
is
created,
captured
and
burned,
and
then
that
what's
left
from
the
interupt
digester
is
then
calm
or
whether
you
do
windrow
composting
we're
actually
incorporating
air
in
the
system
from
the
beginning
and
composting
it.
And
then
you
actually
have
a
compost,
because
that
compost
at
the
end
is
what
we
want
right.
We
want
that
clean
system.
You
want
to
be
making
money
saving
money
by
having,
as
we
said,
a
much
less
much
smaller
tipping
fee
by
being
efficient
about
trucking.
L
If
you've
used
an
in
orbit,
digester
burning
the
methane
and
then
at
the
end
you
want
a
product,
as
the
counselor
said
earlier,
that
you
can
share
with
the
city
of
Boston
that
you
can
sell
as
a
clean
compost,
product
and
additive
to
soil,
then
it
will
do
all
the
things
that
these
intelligent
folks
have
already
said.
It
will
sequester
or
capture
carbon.
It
will
supplement
our
soil
so
that
our
soil
continues
to
grow
up
food
for
us,
and
it
also
will
prevent
the
production
of
methane
and
the
wastage
of
food.
L
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
do
that
efficiently
and
you
really
do
need
to
big
go
big
or
go
home.
If
you
have
a
system,
that's
spotty
that
only
works
through
part
of
the
city,
then,
what's
going
to
happen
is
it
will
be
expensive
and
it
won't
work.
I
would
like
to
address
a
few
other
points
that
came
up
already,
one
of
which
is
we
do
have
a
recycling
problem.
L
Our
recycling
problem
is
that
waste
companies
tried
to
do
as
his
chip
cheaply
as
possible
and
send
you
know,
collect
everything
in
single
stream
and
the
idea
that
they
were
going
to
collect
more
that's
how
they
sold
it
to
us,
but
in
actuality,
was
cheaper
for
them
to
collect
it
that
way,
and
then
they
sent
it
to
China
and
sure
enough
in
China
they
were
burning
in
landfilling.
Much
of
it
now
we're
finding
that
yeah.
That's
because
the
material
was
never
in
good
quality.
That
has
never
changed
as
soon
as
you
hit
single-stream.
L
It's
not
going
to
work
composting
actually
helps
you
with
your
single
stream
problem.
If
folks
are
really
aware
of
what's
in
their
trash,
so
that
they're
separating
out
the
recyclables
that
I
Nova
city
of
Boston
and
others
are
trying
to
educate
folks
on
and
now
that
we
don't
have
the
plastic
bags,
that's
going
to
help
a
lot
they're
separating
out
other
recyclables
and
separating
out
their
food
waste.
Suddenly
they
realize
that
what
you
know
how
it's
working
and
it's
a
lot
less
intimidating
for
people
and
they
take
get
a
handle
on
it.
L
So
when
you
institute
a
composting
program
we
found
across
the
country,
your
recycling
rates
are
going
to
improve
your
contamination
rates
are
going
to
go
down.
So
that's
one
thing:
the
other
thing
is
calm
like
recyclable
recycling
has
to
be
universal
access,
in
other
words,
if
I
come
into
this
building,
if
I
go
to
my
office,
if
I'm
home,
if
I'm
at
my
doctor's
office,
there
has
to
be
recycling
and
composting
available
everywhere.
If
I
go
to
the
park,
it's
got
to
be
everywhere.
L
The
universal
access
is
the
only
way
this
will
truly
work
so,
but
you
have
a
program
like
San
Francisco's,
where
you're
diverting
80
percent
of
the
waste
from
your
landfill
and
in
this
case,
our
incinerators.
So
we
need
to
be
very
aggressive
about
that,
and
this
actually
speaks
to
a
point
that
councilor
Edwards
made
earlier
already.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
businesses
that
the
institution's
industrial
and
commercial
sector
are
also
composting
and
recycling
I,
know
vyses
outside
of
the
service
offered
by
the
city.
L
As
far
as
curbside
goes,
however,
we've
seen
in
California
and
other
places
that
when
you
don't
just
have
a
waistband,
which
is
what
we
have
in
Massachusetts
waist
bands
work
to
a
point
if
they're
enforced.
But
if
you
have
a
requirement
that
all
landlords,
whether
they're
commercial
or
institutional,
that
all
businesses
are
required
to
compost
and
recycle.
L
I
would
encourage
you
to
understand
that
unless
we
go
big,
it's
not
going
to
work,
it
has
to
be
universal
access
for
everybody,
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
wherever
you
go,
there's
a
composting
bin
there
and
that's
when
people
are
going
that
education
piece
that
we
talked
about
earlier
will
also
start
to
work.
And
then
we
have
to
go
back.
L
We
have
to
have
enough
people
working
on
the
system
you
have
to
you
can't
enforce
or
educate
unless
you
have
bodies
to
do
it
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
city
has
the
staff
they
need
to
do
this.
Well,
so
those
are
the
big
high
points
that
I
would
say
going
through.
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
solvable
problem,
but
we
have
to
be
critical
of
our
solutions
just
as
we're
critical
of
the
problem
and
make
sure
that
we
come
through
and
do
this
right.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
It's
interesting
I
took
to
heart
everything
that
was
said
agree
with
with
much
of
it,
if
not
all
of
it,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
difference
between
this
and
our
first
hearing
six
years
ago,
which
predate,
although
many
of
you
at
least
you
two
were
here
many
of
my
colleagues.
The
administration
were
not,
and
we
were
getting
some
pushback
from
the
prior
administration
on
implementing
this
now
we're
and
we're
from
experts
and
and
practitioners
saying
we
want
this.
We
want
this.
We
want
this
now.
A
It
seems
to
me
that
we're
hearing
a
real
willingness
from
the
administration
to
work
with
us
to
achieve
this
and
I'm
hearing
and
a
lot
of
it
I
share
from
experts
and
adopters,
saying
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
this
right.
You
know
the
infrastructure
is
absolutely
key.
The
practice
is
key
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I've
found
difficult
quite
frankly,
and
pushing
this
and
pushing
Community
Choice
energy,
so
many
other
things
that
we're
nowhere
near
where
we
need
to
be,
as
it
relates
to
much
of
the
green
infrastructure.
A
K
K
There's
ways
to
decompose
organic
waste
with
oxygen
and
without
oxygen.
Composting
is
an
aerobic
process
when
organics
go
into
an
anaerobic
digester.
That
is
an
anaerobic
process
and
it
produces
unlike
the
aerobic
process,
it
produces
methane
which
can
be
captured
and
used
as
a
fuel
or
when
it's
not
captured,
for
instance,
in
the
landfill.
It's
a
greenhouse
gas
causes
problems,
so
so
technically,
it
is
not
composting,
and
on
top
of
that,
it's
the
product,
the
end
product
is
sewage,
sludge,
which
is
not
compost,
and
it
is
loaded
with
toxins
in.
A
A
D
K
D
Clarification
on
that,
the
core
facility
in
Charlestown
is
a
slurry
facility
where
they
take
it.
The
fact
that
they're
taking
it
to
a
wastewater
treatment
center
facility
makes
it
mixed
with
right,
but
you
know
it
could
go
elsewhere.
It
doesn't
have
I
mean
they're
contracted
right
now,
with
warrants
wastewater
treatment
facility,
but
their
facility.
It's
just
a
slaughter
facility
for
just
food
waste
waste.
K
Management
and
my
understanding
is
waste
management,
Inc,
headquartered
in
Houston
Texas,
which
has
been
part
of
the
sludge
industry
for
a
long
time.
It's
a
multibillion-dollar
industry
is
taking
that
slurry,
it's
taking
the
food
waste
from
Cambridge,
for
instance,
and
project
Oscar
grinding
it
up,
adding
water
to
it.
Somebody
mentioned
that's
putting
it
in
trucks
and
bringing
in
it
to
the
greater
Lawrence
sanitary
district
wastewater
treatment
plant
in
North
Andover,
the
that
that
is
the
process
that
waste
management
is
pursuing.
They
don't
have
any
rope,
they
don't
have
dedicated
anaerobic
digesters,
saying
that
can't
happen.
K
A
G
I
Example,
Seto
is
pursuing
a
kind
of
anaerobic
digester
that
is
small
community
scale
as
a
decentralized
system,
so
that
we
could
be
composting
closer
to
where
we
produce
the
organic
waste.
So
these
are.
These
are
very
small
systems
that
are
source
separated
that
are
only
treating
organic
food
waste
and
and
grass
and
leaves,
if
you
want
to,
can.
A
A
So
right
now
it's
you
and
will
maybe
agree
to
disagree
on
sort
of
different
interpretations
of
things
because
again,
I
know
we're
all
on
the
same
page
on
this
stuff
and
I'll
want
the
same
things,
but
right
now,
I
think
the
panel
would
agree
that
the
yard
waste
pickup,
which
is
contracted
out
to
route
I
forget
the
name,
is
company,
but
Bruce
Fulford's
organization
is
considered
City
soil.
Thank
you
is
considered
what
you
know:
sort
of
pure
composting.
A
Is
great
and
you
would
but
you
would
be
comfortable
using
city
soils
product
in
your
playground
and
your
chard
and
and
your
thing
so
could
we
ever
expand
and
again
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
I'm,
not
a
scientist,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
and
I'm
sure
city
soil
doesn't
have
the
bandwidth
it's.
You
know
small
operation,
but
as
we
talked
about
ways
to
grow
this
and
pilot
it
to
sort
of
include
the
city,
soils
type,
type,
businesses
or
assume
the
same
with
bootstrap
and
with
Cerro,
with
both
a
yard
waste
and
a
food
combined
picnic.
A
G
I
G
I
Deliver
about
35
or
40
tons
a
week
to
the
Needham
transfer
station
and
I've
seen
the
the
the
superintendent
who
runs
that
give
tours,
and
he
talks
about
adding
the
organic
food
waste
as
being
the
secret
sauce
when
you
bring
in
food
waste
and
combine
it
with
the
leaves
you're,
adding
nutrition
you're,
adding
moisture
you're,
adding
ingredients
that
actually
help
break
down
that
yard
waste
more
effectively
more
completely
and
with
a
resulting
compost
product.
That's
much
much
healthier.
A
I
Can
put
you
can
put
meat
in
it
yeah
those
that's
what
I
talked
about
in
modernization
of
window
composting,
it's
gotten
so
sophisticated.
Now
these
piles
are
so
hot
people
you
know,
are
worried
about
pests
and
all
these
kinds
of
complaints
that
people
have
about
old-fashioned
composting
doesn't
happen.
Yeah.
G
I
These
and
on
these
commercial
scale
facilities
because
they
use
they
degenerate
though,
and
the
organics,
the
organics
from
food
waste
in
particular
helps
those
piles
get
to
a
high
heat
that
helps
them
break
down
quickly
and
makes
the
whole
process
operate
much
more
smoothly.
In
fact,
we
when
we
started
collecting
food
waste,
we
were
paying
$50
a
ton,
tipping
fees
we're
now
paying
between
zero.
In
some
cases,
fifteen
dollars
a
ton
in
some
cases
and
the
highest
we
pay
is
$35
a
ton
for
people
to
take
our
food
waste
because
they
want
that
material.
A
J
I,
just
wanna
I
want
a
second
that
emotion,
real
quickly.
We
work
with
the
place
called
Rocky
Hill
farm
in
Saugus
and
they're,
a
commercial
facility
that
accepts
material
from
landscapers
and
different
composting
companies,
etc.
We've
worked
that
with
them
for
seven
years
and
they
give
us
a
sweetheart
deal
of
twenty
five
dollars.
A
ton
for
the
same
reason
that
you
all
have
that
Cerro
has
such
such
a
good
relationship
with
and
with
the
Needham
transfer
station
and
presumably
other
places.
It's
because
the
material
that
we're
bringing
them
is
free
of
contamination.
J
A
A
A
What
happens
if
you
know
and
I'm
asking
this
not
like
from
proprietary
secrets,
but
just
thinking
sort
of
three
steps
ahead
when
we
eventually
begin
piloting
this,
if
you
have
a
customer
who
repeatedly
throws
the
wrong
things
in,
will
you
say
hey
this?
Is
you
know,
like
a
reminder,
do
you
pamphlets?
Do
you
yeah.
J
We
I
do
spot
checks
when
I
do
pickups.
Oh
yeah
crack
the
literally
quick
and
see
what
there's
anything
funky
in
there
and
you
know
95
percent
of
the
time.
There's
not
yes,
which
is
sort
of
an
interesting
point
that
I
did
want
to
make,
is
that
contamination
is
low
when
you're
paying
for
it
people
people
want
to
do
this,
so
that
to
me
is
a
whole.
Other
larger
question
is
is:
should
we
do
citywide
composting?
J
If
you
don't
know,
if
somebody
wants
it,
like
my
dad
got
me
tennis
lessons
when
I
was
a
kid
I
didn't
want
ennis
lessons
right
but
like
you
should
make
sure
that
the
people
that
you're
providing
the
infrastructure
for
want
the
infrastructure
they're
going
to
use
it
so
I,
don't
know
if
you
do
surveys
and
you
find
out
that
there's
ten
people
on
one
street
that
want
it.
So
you
give
it
to
the
ten
people.
Why
should
all
thirty
people
get
it?
If
all
thirty
people
don't
want
it?
That's
a
waste
of
money.
J
These
interests
infrastructures,
14
million
dollars
I
could
I
could
I
could
use
I.
Give
me
$1,400
cut
me
a
check
for
$1,400
today,
I'll
go
to
Kinko's
and
I'll,
make
a
bunch
of
flyers
and
I
will
I
will
get
people
educated
about
food
waste
and
how
to
compost
properly
fourteen
million
dollars
I
mean
I,
go
for
it,
I
mean
I'm
all
for
it.
I
think
this
is
a
great
direction,
but
it
seems
like
I'll.
It
seems
like
we
there's
a
better
way
to
allocate
our
funds
here.
A
L
Things
one
the
city's
going
to
be
paying
about
for
their
residential
program
about
fifty
million
dollars
a
year,
so
the
14
million
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
if
you're
saving
a
third
of
your
tipping
fees,
it
could
be
significant
so
not
to
agree
that
people
should
be
paying
for
a
system
always
where
you
know
you
want
people
always
to
be
understanding
that
they're
paying
for
and
it's
not
something
free.
That
shows
up
because
of
the
tennis
lesson.
L
Example
that
Andy
said
it's
totally
true,
but
I
would
also
bring
up
the
seat
belt
example,
which
is
nobody
wants
to
wear
seat
belts,
but
if
they
know
they're
going
to
get
a
ticket
they'll
damn
well,
wear
their
seat
belt
so
and
we've
seen
that
across
the
state.
So
I
think
that
you
need
incentives
and
that
you
need
to
carry
an
estate
or
carat
and
the
sludge
as
laura
has
got
there.
I
would
also
say
that
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
this
is
happening
across
the
country.
L
The
national
food
waste
conference
is
tomorrow
at
Harvard,
Law
and,
as
was
also
referenced,
we
need
to
reduce
I.
Think
Andy
made
a
really
good
point
that
we
need
to
reduce
our
food
waste
and
if
these,
if
the
programs
are
set
up
so
that
you
are
rewarded,
if
you
have
less
trash,
less
compost
and
less
recycling,
that
saves
every
city
every
business,
every
person
money.
L
L
So
that's
the
first
thing
to
keep
in
mind
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
that
the
city
is
doing
this
full
zero
waste
project
planning,
because
you
can't
do
one
little
program,
we
have
it
all
being
in
a
vacuum:
the
education
and
the
and
the
incentives
and
the
understanding
contamination
has
to
work
throughout
the
whole
system.
The
other
thing
is
I
would
want
you
to
know
what's
happening
throughout
the
state
of
Massachusetts,
which
is
since
the
commercial
food
waste
ban
that
you
referenced
earlier
was
put
in
place.
The
state
of
Massachusetts
has
decreased.
L
The
amount
of
food
waste
going
into
its
landfills
by
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
tons
a
year,
so
that's
a
program
that
has
not
been
enforced.
That
much
there's
been
a
few
people
going
out
to
the
large
food
waste
producers,
the
colleges,
the
big
businesses,
the
restaurants,
large
schools
and,
for
instance,
BC,
has
saved
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
by
reducing
their
food
waste.
Because
of
exactly
what
Andy
was
talking
about.
You
know
people
taking
too
much
on
a
tray
and
at
all
getting
thrown
out
so
first
off.
L
So
long
as
you're,
not
mixing
it
with
sewage
sludge,
so
I
would
say,
put
a
page,
you
throw
a
program
and
place
an
incentive
program
in
place
so
that
people
produce
as
little
trash
as
possible
across
the
whether
it's
food
waste
or
recycling
or
trash
trash
and
then
I
would
say,
make
sure
you
put
that
education
in
place
make
sure
you
put
staff
in
place,
but
also
universal
access
to
recycling
and
composting
and
a
universal
requirement
that
all
businesses,
institutions
and
commercial
enterprises
and
stand.
Also.
This
building,
recycle
and
compost.
L
So
pay
as
you
throw
can
be
done
a
number
of
different
ways,
but
what
page
you
throw
is
is
incentivizing
trash
reduction,
so
they're
one
way
of
doing
it
is
giving
people
small
trash
bins,
giving
them
a
large
recycling
bin,
a
large
composting
bin
and
then
the
trash
bin
being
half
that
size.
That's
one
way
of
doing
it.
L
One
way
of
doing
it
is
saying:
if
you
want
to
throw
trash
out,
you
have
to
buy
this
bag,
it
can
only
go
in
this
purple
bag
or
this
bright,
yellow
bag
that
works
in
a
lot
of
communities.
The
City
of
Worcester,
for
instance,
has
saved
about
twenty
million
dollars
over
the
last
ten
years.
That
way,
another
way
of
doing
this
is,
for
instance,
to
pass
out
bags
at
these
same
purple,
bags,
say
and
say:
these
are
how
many
bags
of
trash
you
get
to
Pat
to
get
throw
away
this
year
for
free
anything
more.
L
You
need
to
pay
for
it,
so
there's
lots
of
different
ways
of
doing
it,
but
the
point
is
to
incentivize
trash
reduction
and
when
you
incentivize
trax
reduction
regressively
and
keep
addressing
it
in
your
community
and
keep
pushing
the
envelope
you'll
see
that
you
will
reduce
the
waste
over
the
across
the
board
by
twenty
to
fifty
percent
within
a
year
or
two.
It's
amazing.
It
really
works
and
that's
the
best
way
for
the
city
of
Boston
to
save
money.
L
So
composting
is
a
it's
a
tremendous
cost
saver
and
tremendous
job
creator,
twenty
five
to
twenty
times
more
jobs
than
incinerating
or
landfilling
and
local
jobs
that
aren't
going
to
be
outsourced
to
another
country
or
their
local
jobs.
They'll
stay
here
so
they're,
fantastic
and
I
think
Andy
and
Laura
both
great
examples
of
building
those
businesses.
L
But
that's
only
going
to
work
if
you
get
all
that
food
waste
out
of
the
system
and
that's
only
going
to
work
if
you
make
sure
that
we're
reducing
because
the
city
of
Boston
should
not
be
paying
forty
fifty
million
dollars
a
year
for
your
weight
for
your
residential
waste
system,
that's
not
even
touching
the
institution,
current
institutional
come
or
industrial
sector,
that's
just
for
residences!
That's
a
tremendous
waste!
Okay!.
A
I
just
appreciate
that
all
important
points
and
interconnected
I
just
want
to
stay
focused
on
sort
of
the
the
curbside
composting
here.
So
I
guess
my
last
question
before
I
get
to
my
two
colleagues
would
be,
and
anyone
can
jump
in
here:
you're
all
experts,
but
looking
at
how,
aside
from
the
anaerobic,
digestion
and
sort
of
the
cambridge
system,
now
that
we
already
got
into
just
operationally
and
practically
what
did
cambridge
do
well
when
they
ramped
up
their
system?
A
What,
in
all
of
your
opinions,
do
you
think
they
should
have
done
differently
and
I'm
talking
about
specifically
identifying
an
area?
I
believe
was
North
Cambridge
of
Cambridge
port
to
do
a
trial
pilot
and
then
expand
it.
So
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
worked?
What
are
the
things
that
didn't
work?
If
anyone
wants
to
briefly
touch
on
that.
I
Well,
I,
don't
want
to
diss
them.
You
know,
because
I
think
it's
great
that
they're
trying
to
figure
this
out
and
I've
talked
to
talk
to
Michael
and
some
of
the
people
over
there
and
there
first
of
all,
it
wasn't
transparent.
They
didn't
let
people
know
what
they
were
doing
with
it
and
and
when
I
talked
to
Michael
he
said
you
know,
I
know
if
I
could
compost
it.
I
A
I
F
G
I
I
think
that
they
were,
they
must
have
I,
don't
know
how
they
collected
their
data
to
know
it
was
time
to
go
citywide,
but
it
seems
to
be
very
popular
until
people
found
out
yeah
that
it
was
being
mixed
with
sewage.
Okay
and
I
know
people
who
live
in
Cambridge,
who
are
have
stopped,
participating
and
gone
back
to
trying.
H
A
E
E
Many
of
them
are
not.
You
know.
Organic
people
don't
really
care.
They
just
go
to
Home
Depot
grab
what
they're
gonna
grab
and
spray
it
and
do
it
and
do
whatever
so
so.
Is
there
a
concern
about
the
mixture
of
food
race
with
those
things
as
well?
I
mean
I,
get
I,
understand,
mixing
with
the
raw
sewage
and
I
thought
that
was
great.
You
broke
down
all
the
different
stalks
toxins
that
come
with
that,
but
I
I
can
speak.
K
To
that
yeah
I
mean
sure,
there's
a
concern
but
I'm
it's
similar
to
the
concern
that
I
have
of
the
air
that
I
breathe
when
I
walk
out
on
to
City
Hall
plaza.
You
know
it's
a
lot
different,
that
air
that
I
breathe
at
City,
Hall
plaza.
That
has
you
know
you
know,
particulate
matter.
That's
not
good
for
me
because
of
the
incinerators
that
are
burning
and
so
on
is
a
lot
different
than
if
I
walk
into
an
industrial
facility
where
it's
just
loaded
with
with
toxins,
and
it's
it's
about
it's
a
matter
of
degree.
K
So
so
we
pick
up
yard
waste.
You
know
there
may
be.
There
may
be
pesticides,
there
may
be
things
in
it.
There
are
in
some
cases,
but
it
it
it.
One
just
cannot
compare
it
to
the
tens
of
thousands
of
pounds
and
I'd
be
happy
to
get
you
some
of
those
figures
that
are
going
into
the
sewer
and
then
concentrated
in
the
sewage
sludge.
So
it's.
E
K
That
compost,
we
have
to
think
about
like
what
is
compost
and
it's
for
you
know,
hundreds
thousands
of
years
it's
a
critical
component
component
of
our
of
our
food
growing
system
as
a
soil
amendment
and
a
provider
of
nutrients,
and
one
thing
that's
really
missing.
It's
certainly
missing
in
the
Cambridge
program.
You
can
go
to
their
website
and
there's
nothing
about
where
this
stuff
goes
right
and
so
connecting
people
and
connecting
us.
You
know
as
eaters
to
this
great
cycle
and
making
a
product
as
good
as
we
can
make
it.
K
It's
not
going
to
be
perfect
right,
but
making
it
as
good
as
we
can
make
it.
You
know:
I
compost
in
my
backyard
and
I
try
to
buy
as
much
organic
food
as
I
can
but
I,
don't
always
buy
organic
food
and
my
kids
might
be
home
a
Twinkie
which
I
don't
really
want
in
the
compost.
But
if
it
ends
up
in
there
you
know
I,
say:
okay
I'm
doing
the
best
that
I
can
do
right,
but
I'm
not
going
and
throwing
my
pharmaceuticals
into
it
right.
K
E
So
I
mean
you
have
Monsanto,
you
have
all
these
other
kinds
of
chemicals
that
automatically
come
into
our
food
and
there's
a
whole
debate
about
that.
But
I
was
just
good
to
clarify
it's
varying
degrees
that
we're
talking
about
not
necessarily
a
pure
organic
option
versus
just
you
know,
poison,
sure,
okay
and
then
also
when
it
comes
to
the
the
biggest
roadblock
I'm
hearing
or
maybe
I'm
again.
E
L
Would
actually
push
back
on
that,
because
the
state,
having
seen
this,
having
seen
this
this
commercial
food
waste
ban,
succeed
like
this
investment
is
happening
now
in
anaerobic
digesters,
that
don't
mix
it
with
sewage
sludge
as
well
as
composting
facilities
and
according
to
mass
DEP.
Another
five
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
tons
of
capacity
is
in
the
works
now
in
Massachusetts.
We're
in
that's
the
problem.
It's
lots
of
different
places.
L
It's
not
one
facility
and
it's
not
necessarily
always
as
close
as
we'd
like
it,
but
right
now
the
the
Cambridge
and
Oscar
stuff
is
going
to
Lawrence.
So
I
think
we
can
do
much
better
than
that
much
closer
than
that.
I
think
that
we
definitely
have
to
part
of
part
of
getting
the
investment
done
and
making
it
happen
is
the
commitment
to
the
programs
right
like
I'm
not
going
to
build
a
composting
facility
unless
I
know
that
the
city
of
Boston
or
Cambridge
is
going
to
send
it
there
and
I've.
L
Actually,
one
of
my
colleagues
has
been
doing
research
talking
to
all
the
composting
companies
in
the
Boston
area
and
they're,
not
right
downtown,
obviously,
but
they're
nearby,
and
many
of
them
have
told
us
that
they
do
have
enough
capacity
to
help
with
Cambridge
and
in
fact
a
couple
of
them
together
could
take
all
of
Cambridge's
waste
that
their
food
weighs
that
they're
producing.
Now,
according
to
these
companies,
this.
L
It's
a
great
way
to
deal
with
large
volumes
of
weight
of
food
waste,
so
I
think
that
the
food
waste
capacity
is
in
the
works
according
to
mass
DEP
and
also
the
capacity
to
handle
Cambridge's
food
waste
as
it
stands
now,
with
this
new
program
supposedly
exists.
I
can't
prove
that,
but
people
are
telling
me
that
they
have
the
capacity
to
handle
it.
E
If
they,
if
you
know,
if
they
want
it,
they
can't
eat
pork,
they're
able
to
pick
it
and
the
food
is
actually
very
good
so
to
to
BPS.
Is
credit
they've
moved
that
and
it
was
so
successful
that
the
kids
are
eating
more
right
and
they've
expanded
the
program
to
thirty
other
schools.
So
so
there
is
a
movement
there,
I'd
love
to
see
how
that
can
be
moved
with
this
kind
of
system.
K
One
of
the
reasons
that
the
food
scrubs
haven't
gone
to
the
sewage
treatment
plant
is
because
the
farmers
on
the
other
end
and
a
lot
of
vineyards.
It's
my
understanding,
want
this
stuff
they're
paying
for
it
and
they
want
it
and
they
want
it
to
be
as
clean
as
possible.
So
you
know
I
encourage
us
all
to
try
to
keep
filling
in
the
circle
and
bring
in
the
farmers
and
the
people
that
are
going
to
use
the
compost
and
you
know
get
a
better
understanding
of
what
it
is
they're
after
Thank
You.
I
I
Because
the
company
called
save
that
stuff
was
early
in
the
composting,
they
got
a
lot
of
those
contracts
so
as
far
as
I
know,
they're
still
getting
the
contract
with
Harvard
University
compost
bu,
you
know
they.
They
think
they
separate
organics
how
they're,
having
those
organics
processed
we're
not
sure
about,
but
all
the
companies
that
were
with
save
that
stuff.
When
save
that
stuff
started,
they
were
composting
when
they
they
partnered
up
with
waste
management
and
this
Charlestown
slurry
plant.
So
now
their
stuff
is
all
going
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
A
M
You
Andy,
when
you
were
saying
that
you
sort
of
spot-check
when
you
pick
up,
are
you
finding?
It
sounds
like
you're,
pretty
successful
and
people
putting
the
appropriate
waste
into
your
bins?
Are
you
finding
that
people
aren't
putting
enough
that
they're
missing
some
of
what
they
could
be
putting
in
because
of
uncertainty
and
what's
appropriate.
J
It's
an
interesting
point:
I
mean
we
not
infrequently
get
calls
from
customers
who
say,
don't
bother
coming
this
week.
We
don't
have
enough,
but
the
idea
is
not
to
win
how
much
material
you
have
it's.
The
idea
is
to
divert
what
you
have
collected
and
to
get
it
out
of
your
house
as
soon
as
possible.
So
you
can
start
composting.
It
I,
don't
know.
If
that
answers
your
question.
I
mean
what
we
see
is
primarily
prep
material.
You
know
it's
just
people
cooking
just
you
know
just
food
scraps
odds
and
ends
from
from
them.
M
I
just
wonder
if
people
aren't
putting
everything
that
they
could
be
I
mean
I,
think
that
people
aren't
but
to
what
degree
I'm
curious
if
there's
ever
been
I've
talked
about
having
a
waste
audit
and
we
talked
about
improperly
discarded
needles.
I
wonder
if
there's
ever
a
waste
audit
on
within
households
that
use
composting
to
see
if
they're
not
fully
taking
advantage
of
the
composting
opportunity.
M
M
Be
interesting
to
know
what
the
appetite
that
the
appetite
at
least
the
initial
appetite
was
in
the
city
of
Boston,
so
that
we
could
roll
this
out
a
little
bit
more
vigorously.
Then
cress
you
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
having
a
large
recycle
bin,
a
large
trash
bin
or
a
large
compost
bin
in
the
small
trash
bin.
M
L
I
think
that
what
we've
seen
across
the
board,
looking
at
case
studies
throughout
Europe
and
the
United
States,
is
that
there
has
to
be
a
requirement
and
a
prohibition
from
putting
food
and
recyclables
in
the
trash.
We
have
that,
to
a
certain
extent
at
the
actual
landfills
and
incinerators
and
and
transfer
stations.
But
if
you
ask
a
business
owner
in
Boston,
if
they're
required
to
recycle,
they
don't
realize
they're
not
allowed
right
now
to
put
their
cans
in
the
trash
right.
L
It
doesn't
seem
like
their
responsibility,
it's
what
happens
at
the
landfill
or
at
the
transfer
station.
So
to
them.
It's
not
real.
So
I
think
that
there
does
have
to
be
a
prohibition
at
some
kind
of
an
order,
but
you
can
point
to
and
say
you
are
required
to
compost.
You
are
required
to
recycle,
and
this
is
what
that
means.
Now
you
don't
want
to
just
dump
that
on
people
go
from
zero
to
60.
You
know
immediately.
L
You
wanted
to
have
pilot
programs,
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
educating
folks,
but
this
will
save
money
for
every
business
and
citizen
out
there.
If
it's
done
right
and
it
will
save
the
city
money,
so
I
would
say
there
should
be
some
kind
of
codified,
citywide
ordinance
that
states
this
is.
This
is
how
it
works
so
that
when
you're,
educating
and
and
enforcing
those
city,
employees
have
something
to
point
to
it.
Just
makes
it
a
lot
easier
and
it
makes
it
much
more
workable.
L
The
other
side
of
it
is
there
has
to
be
an
incentive,
and
there
has
to
be
infrastructure,
so
people
can
do
it.
We've
seen
across
the
board,
for
instance
multi-families.
They
want
to
compost,
they
want
to
recycle,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
the
infrastructure.
They
need
to
do
it.
If
you
don't
have
bins,
and
if
you
don't
have
it
set
up
and
you're
building,
it's
really
difficult
to
do.
You
can't
expect
people
to
be
heroes.
A
Thank
You
Khan
sir
sabi
George,
and
thank
you
to
our
panel
appreciate
your
time.
Well,
in
fact,
you
always
need
to
stick
around
in
the
seats.
If
you
want
to
hear
some
of
the
public
testimony
just
have
one
sheet:
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
additional
one
run,
we
can
maybe
check
that
and
I'm
gonna
call
the
names
if
you
could
just
line
up
at
either
my
left
or
my
right
to
the
podiums.
First,
we
have
Laura
Grover
next
Hannah,
pearls
and
third
Rachel
sense,
cybersyn,
Shimer,
Laura,
Hannah
and
Rachel.
Please.
B
B
N
N
Thank
you,
so
much
I'm
actually
super
excited
to
see
how
many
people
are
at
this
hearing.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
what
to
expect
it's.
My
first
time,
I'm
a
city
resident
homeowner
in
Bay,
Village,
neighborhood
and
I'm,
not
by
any
means
an
expert
in
composting
or
waste,
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
here
today,
to
both
express
support
as
a
city
resident
for
a
curbside
program
and
also
request
that
Bay
Village
be
strongly
considered
for
a
purse
first
area.
N
If
there's
a
pilot,
that's
going
to
take
place,
we're
a
small
enough
neighborhood,
where
measurement
would
be
easy
to
figure
out
for
and
and
kind
of
have
something
at
scale.
Your
figure
out.
Excuse
me
what
it
might
look
like
at
scale,
I
think
there's
about
six
or
seven
hundred
households,
something
like
that.
It
wouldn't
provide,
or
it
wouldn't
have
a
huge
impact
on
the
city
as
far
as
transportation
and
needing
to
have
trucks
go
to
many
different
locations.
Again,
it's
a
pretty
manageable
size.
N
I
also
currently
participate
in
the
Oscar
program
and
something
I
hadn't
planned
on
talking
about
today.
But
now
I
will
because
I
just
learned
a
ton
from
sitting
in
this
hearing
is
I,
had
no
idea
that
my
the
material
I
am
bringing
to
City
Hall
on
a
bi-weekly
basis
in
a
backpack
to
compost
is
not
actually
being
composted
in
a
way
that
can
be
used
in
a
farm.
So
when
the
panelists
talk
about
things
like
transparency
and
sewage
sludge
and
things
like
that,
I
would
love
for
the
council
to
consider.
N
Even
if
that's,
maybe
the
lowest
cost
option
for
those
of
us
who
want
to
compost
and
want
to
actually
have
it
be
useful
for
for
something
good
to
consider,
contracts
or
or
processes
that
are
doing
a
much
more
organic
process
and
having
it
be
usable
because,
again,
I
I
didn't
know
that.
That's
not
what
mine
is
doing
right
now.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
C
A
one
very,
very
quick
point
of
clarification
on
project
Oscar,
so
when
we
started
it
actually,
it
originally
gone
to
Rocky,
Hill
and
as
of
next
week,
it
will
no
longer
be
going
to
a
facility,
then
to
Lawrence
it's
going
to
be
going
to
a
farm.
Instead,
we
are
switching
contractors
that
contract
expires
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year,
which
is
June
30th.
So
again
as
of
next
week,
that
will
actually
be
going
to
a
different
location.
I
can
forego
for
now
so
next
week
and
go
for
drinking.
That's.
A
Great
chief
and
before
you
go
cuz
I
know
you
guys
have
to
stand
a
sneak
out.
You
have
another
event,
but
just
wanted
to
really
think
you're
gonna
get
to
our
next
to
public
testimonies
in
a
moment,
but
just
you
know,
and
that's
I
think
proof
positive-
that
there's
a
little
sort
of
I,
think
I
won't
say:
there's
a
little
sort
of
diss.
Maybe
not
distrust
is
the
right
word,
but
but
concern
going
forward
that
if
we
don't
do
this,
we
do
this
right.
A
This
city
is
committed
to
doing
it
right
and
you
know,
there's
the
whole
expression
you
have
to
crawl
before
you
can
walk
before
you
can
run
we're
not
even
crawling
right
now.
So
these
first
steps
we
will
do
it
in
concert
and
doing
it
right,
but
I'm
so
delighted
to
hear
about
efforts
from
this
administration
and
the
fact
that
they
are
listening
and
working
and
that's
great
news.
So
you
know
like
next
time
you
bring
your
composting
in
your
backpack
downstairs.
You'll
know:
it'll
go
to
a
great
farm.
So
thank
you
chief.
O
Morning,
good
morning,
very
briefly,
I'm
raised
Massachusetts
I'm,
a
Brighton
resident
I'm.
Also
a
student
and
I
have
three
roommates
and
my
husband,
we're
bootstrap
customers
and
having
roommates
is
right
now.
The
only
way
that
students
and
social
workers
who
are
our
household
can
afford
that
service.
I
also
wanted
to
specifically
talk
about
renters,
which
hasn't
been
discussed.
Yet
in
our
apartment,
complex,
we
have
about
eight
floors,
two
buildings,
hundreds
of
residents
and
two
massive
dumpsters
they're,
open,
snow/rain,
the
whole
nine
yards
gets
in
there.
O
It
smells
to
high
heaven
with
a
pest
problem
and
as
renters
we
don't
have
a
choice
and
how
that
waste
is
stored,
how
it's
taken
care
of
we've
seen
violations
posted
on
our
door
that
we
can't
do
anything
about,
but
when
I
have
my
bootstrap
bucket,
a
lot
of
my
neighbors
are
really
excited
about
it
and
they
want
it,
but
they
can't
afford
it,
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
huge
opportunity,
especially
with
renters,
not
only
for
customers,
but
to
help
with
a
waste
problem.
It's
unsightly.
It
smells
and
it's
a
health
issue.
O
So
that
would
be
one
thing:
I
really
wanted
to
drive
home
and
the
other
is
more
anecdotal.
My
brother
is
in
Cambridge
and
when
he
had
the
opportunity
to
get
that
little
bin
and
do
curbside
compost
and
he
was
so
excited
and
then
he
heard
about
well,
maybe
it's
not
going
where
he
thought
it
was
going.
Maybe
it's
not
the
compost
he
had
in
his
head
and
he
bought
a
bootstrap
bucket
the
next
day,
but
I
do
think
with
public
education
with
people.
O
P
My
friends
and
I
I'm,
pretty
much
all
my
friends
are
BLS
or
PLA
alums.
We
all
still
live
in
Boston,
which
is
another
day,
but
we
we
want
to
be
doing
this.
A
lot
of
us
when
we
left
for
undergrad
I
went
to
George
Washington
University
down
in
DC,
and
my
too,
you
know
seems
to
have
gone
well
for
you,
so
it
it
was
so
easy
to
compost
there,
because
the
school
just
made
it
really
easy.
P
P
We
called
all
of
the
schools
and,
while
like
all
of
the
colleges
and
universities
and
while
they
have
composting
and
their
dining
halls,
there's
no
programs
that
I
can
find
for
students
or
you
know,
at
GW.
If
you
lived
in
Foggy
Bottom,
you
could
just
bring
your
compost
to
the
school,
and
we
would
appreciate
that
couldn't
find
that
I
actually
called
up
a
bunch
of
restaurants
in
my
neighborhood
to
see
if
I
could
compost
with
them
that
wasn't
an
option.
I
have
taken
some
tried
to
get
some
of
the
farmers
markets.
P
That's
so
to
take
my
compost,
they
won't
do
it
for
a
while
I
was
biking.
My
friends
compost
to
project
Oscar
and
JP,
and
here
or
taking
it
on
the
orange
line
and
basically
not
only
was
like
having
weird
looks
on
the
orange
line.
I
once
I
found
out
about
I
wasn't
exactly
sure
how
the
compost
is
being
handled.
That
just
felt
like
not
something
that
I
wanted
to
be
doing
with
my
time
anymore
and
I'm.
Just
here
to
say
we
really
want
it.
P
You
know
the
Millennials,
the
bps,
the
BLS
alums
of
my
age
range
like
we're
really
incentivized
for
this
I
was
just
there.
What
were
Thanksgiving
for
I
think
there
was
like
hundreds
of
people
there
talking
about
social
justice,
environmental
justice
issues
like
those
are
your
people
like
get
some
BLS
kids
on
it
got
some
DLA
kids
on
it
because
they
want
to
talk
about
this.
They
want
to
be
doing
it
right,
yeah
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank.
A
Q
You
know
the
biggest
issue
that
we've
had
is
that
people
are
trying
to
sort,
but
they
get
frustrated
and
they
get
to
the
closest
bin
and
they
just
throw
stuff
in
and,
as
a
result,
I
think
our
compost
program
just
doesn't
work
and
we
don't
compost,
at
least
on
the
front
of
the
shop
side.
On
the
back
of
the
shop
side,
we
do
so.
Q
In
addition,
we've
been
working
with
the
city
on
their
climate
action
plan
and
we
know
that
these
kinds
of
initiatives
help
the
city
with
their
reduction
in
greenhouse
gasses
reduction
in
co2,
and
then
it's
good
for
the
economy.
So
we
have
spun
out
businesses
because
of
this
with
we
have
a
business
that
one
of
our
students
run
that
calls
that's
called
spoiler
alert
which
delivers
food
to
it
takes
food
that
is
just
about
to
go
bad
and
delivers
it
to
people
in
need.
So
it's
really
just
in
terms
I.
Q
Don't
need
to
tell
you
this,
but
it's
just
for
the
economy
and
for
the
city.
It's
a
really
good
choice.
My
other
hat
and
probably
what's
more
important
here-
is
that
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Bay
Village
Neighborhood
Association,
and
to
echo
Laura's
point
and
what
I've
said
to
these
guys
over
here
is
that
I
have
a
vision
to
make
Bay
Village
the
most
sustainable
neighborhood
in
the
city
and
I
think
we
are
small
enough
1,300
residents,
where
we
can
run
a
pilot
that
could
really
deliver.
Q
You
guys
results
that
would
help
you
scale
for
the
rest
of
the
city.
We
turn
out
to
vote
and
have
the
highest
percentages.
We're
really
engaged
and
I
can
guarantee
that
the
neighborhood
would
get
behind
it.
So
I
think
you
know
I'm
totally
in
supportive
of
it
and
in
support
and
I
think
the
neighborhood
would
be
too
so.
Thank.
R
Hi
there,
my
name
is
joy,
Gary
I,
am
the
farm
manager,
Agri
provision,
urban
farm
in
Dorchester,
and
also
a
Mattapan
resident
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
the
prospect
of
us,
possibly
rolling
out
a
composting
program.
The
only
caveat
I
would
say
is
that
whomever
is
managing
the
compost
that
it
would
need
to
to
be
tested
on
several
levels
in
order
for
it
to
be
safe
enough
to
be
used
on
different
farms
and
not
just
safe,
but
also
it
would
have
the
quality
that
doesn't
make
it
more
problematic
for
farmers
to
actually
use
it.
R
There
are
a
number
of
free
composting
opportunities
for
local
community
gardens
and
local
farms,
where
they're
introducing
weed
seeds
to
farms
in
community
gardens
and
making
it
more
difficult
for
individuals
to
grow
in,
and
so
whatever
process
that
we
use.
I
would
just
encourage
us
to
continue
to
have
farmers
and
possibly
soil
scientists
involved
in
the
process,
so
that
we're
making
sure
that
what
we,
the
products
that
we're
producing
are
of
high
quality
and
really
good
for
the
community
and
and
I
also
wanted
to
suggest.
R
Looking
at
Vermont
compost
in
Vermont
and
the
processes
that
they've
been
using
to
allocate
resources
to
be
able
to
create
a
really
high
quality
product.
They're,
probably
one
of
the
best
organizations
that
are
producing
compost
and
potting
soil
for
farmers
in
the
New,
England
area
and
I
would
think
it
would
be
best
for
us
to
see,
see
and
possibly
model
some
of
the
the
procedures
that
they
are.
That
they're
employing.
Thank
you
thank.
S
Chesapeake,
first
from
city,
soil
and
greenhouse,
we
have
the
contract
with
the
city
of
Boston,
to
manage
the
yard
waste
composting
facility
and
to
the
previous
speakers,
point.
I
really
appreciate
the
feedback
about
the
weed
seeds
and
we
continue
to
improve
that
process
and
there
are
technologies
out
there.
That
would
not
only
improve
our
current
processes
for
creating
compost
from
yard
waste,
but
but
also
processes.
That
would
allow
for
really
could
quick,
an
urban
composting
to
happen
with
food
waste,
including
aerated,
static,
pile
and
including
you
know,
perhaps
down
the
road
as
well
anaerobic
digestion.
S
But
you
know,
there's
there's
many
proven
technologies
that
are
not
that
expensive
that
can
be
implemented
and
given
given
land
tenure
and
funding.
These
are
possible
so
and
I
also
wanted
to
speak
to
councillor
Edwards
point
about
concerns
for
yard
waste
not
being
pre-or.
It
is
not
pure.
We
struggle
a
lot
with
lead
and
we
test
thoroughly
to
make
sure
that
those
contaminants
do
not
get
into
the
the
food
stream
that
people
are
using
in
their
gardens
and
community
gardens
so
and
kind
of
on
the
pesticide
front
as
well.
S
A
Thank
you
would
anyone
else
like
to
testify
all
right
hearing
none.
It
is
12:01.
We've
kept
this
to
two
hours
because
we
started
a
little
bit
late,
any
closing
remarks,
councillor
sabi
George.
Thank
you,
councillor,
sabi
George.
Thank
you,
Kosar
Liddy
Edwards.
Thank
you,
counselor,
ed
Flynn.
Thank
you,
of
course,
two
counts.
Ariana
Presley,
who
I
know,
is
watching
this
and
is
with
us
in
spirit
right
now.
I
would
just
like
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
you.
This
is
fantastic.
A
We've
covered
a
lot
of
grounds.
We
touched
upon
a
tremendous
amount
of
important
points
as
we
see
going
forward.
Thank
you
particularly.
The
chief
Osgood
in
your
team.
I
am
really
excited
that
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
we're
gonna
because
of
working
with
a
great
consultant,
we'll
see
how
we
can
pilot
this
out
great
to
hear
the
neighborhood's
pushing
forward.
A
I,
obviously
think
district
6
would
be
superb
choice
as
well,
but
wherever
we
get
started
this,
this
is
an
important
and
will
be
an
effective
step
to
roll
out
some
sort
of
a
pilot
program
looking
at
either
by
request,
certainly
or
by
area.
There's
a
number
of
things
we
can
do
so
I
look
forward
to
checking
in
with
you
all
in
a
couple
months
and
seeing
how
we
can
do
this
until
then,
this
hearing
is
hereby
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
everybody,
and
have
a
great
day.