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From YouTube: Committee on Community Preservation on June 24, 2021
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Docket #0548 - Message and order approving an appropriation of One Million Twelve Thousand Four Hundred Dollars ($1,012,400.00) for the administrative and operating expenses of the City of Boston Community Preservation Committee (“CPC”) for the Fiscal Year 2022, and a further appropriation order in the amount of Twenty-Eight Million Four Hundred Seventy-Nine Thousand Five Hundred Seventy-Four Dollars ($28,479,574.00) from the Community Preservation Fund (“the Fund”) estimated annual revenues for Fiscal Year 2022, to be appropriated and reserved for future appropriation
C
C
B
B
B
It's
still
really
choppy,
I
wonder
if
you
maybe
went
into
your
audio
settings
and
and
clicked
automatically
adjust
or
undid
that
maybe
that
might
help
how
about.
E
C
Kerry
is
that
a
little
better,
this
time
that
that'll?
Do
it
perfect?
Thank
you
all
right
so
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name,
is
city
councilor,
michael
flaherty,
chair
of
the
committee
on
community
preservation
act.
This
hearing
is
being
held
in
accordance
with
chapter
20
of
the
acts
of
2021
that
modifies
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
lauren.
It
relieves
public
bodies
of
certain
requirements,
including
the
requirement
that
public
bodies
conduct
its
meeting
in
a
public
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
C
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
working
session
virtually
via
zoom.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities
while
adhering
to
the
public
health,
accommodations
and
ensuring
public
access
to
its
liberations
through
adequate
and
alternative
means.
The
public
may
watch
this
working
session
via
live
stream
at
www.boston,
backslash
city
dash
city
council
dash
tv
and
live
on
xfinity
8
rcn82,
verizon
964..
C
C
We
are
here
today
to
hold
a
hearing
on
darknet
zero,
five,
four,
eight,
it's
a
message
in
order
approving
an
appropriation
of
one
million,
twelve
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
for
the
administrative
and
operating
expenses
of
the
city
of
boston's
community
preservation
committee,
known
as
cpc
for
the
fiscal
year
2022,
and
a
further
appropriation
order
in
the
amount
of
28
million
479
hundred
seventy
four
dollars
from
the
community
preservation
fund,
known
as
the
fund
estimated
annual
revenues
for
fiscal
year
2022
to
be
appropriated
and
reserved
for
future
appropriation.
C
The
fund
was
created
by
the
adoption
of
the
cpa
in
november
2016
and
is
funded
by
a
one
percent
property
tax-based
surcharge
on
residential
and
business
property
tax
bills
that
took
effect
in
july
of
2017
and
an
annual
state
distribution
from
the
massachusetts
community
preservation,
trust
fund
general
laws.
Chapter
44b
section
6
provides
that
in
each
fiscal
year
the
council
shall
make
appropriations
from
the
fund
as
it
deems
necessary
for
the
administrative
and
operating
expenses
of
the
cpc,
and
that
such
appropriations
shall
not
exceed
five
percent
of
the
fund's
annual
revenues.
C
C
Additionally,
in
order
to
appropriate
or
reserve
funds
for
future
spending
in
fiscal
year,
2022
the
appropriation
in
the
amount
of
28
479
574
is
requested
to
be
appropriated
into
reserve
for
future
recommendations
by
the
cpc
and
appropriation
by
the
boston
city
council.
Consistent
with
the
act
here
with
us
today.
On
behalf
of
the
administration,
we
have
drew
smith
from
the
treasury
who
will
be
providing
opening
remarks
moore
zarin
who's,
the
revenue
manager
of
obm
will
also
be
providing
opening
remarks.
C
Sarah
zimmerman
treasury
is
also
here
to
assist
the
council
with
any
questions,
as
is
courtney
weyland
from
the
treasury.
So
before
I
open
it
up,
I
would
like
to
offer
my
colleagues
if
they
choose
a
brief
opening
remarks
and
or
they
can
waive
them
for
us
to
get
started.
So
I
do
know
that
my
colleague
city
council,
liz
braden
joining
us
who
represents
austin
brighton,
is
on
on
the
zone
good
afternoon.
Councillor.
F
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman,
I
don't
have
any
questions
or
comments
at
this
time.
We
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
the
great
work.
The
cpa
is
a
really
important
addition
to
our
toolkit
to
support.
F
C
It's
always
exciting
when
we
get
an
opportunity
to
to
start
talking
about
new
applications
for
every
neighbor
in
the
city.
So
with
that
drew,
I
know
that
colleagues
will
be
joining,
but
if
you
could
just
offer
your
opening
remarks,
which
will
be
followed
by
more
zorin
and
then
we'll
get
into
some
questions.
G
Great
thanks
very
much,
and-
and
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
I'll
offer
a
few
remarks
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
to
more
and
then
I'll
close
this
out.
But
I
would
like
to
thank
the
chairman,
councillor
braden
and
the
committee
for
having
us
today
to
discuss
the
cpa's
fiscal
22
administrative
budget
request
and
a
request
to
reserve
fiscal
22
project
dollars
that
will
be
used
after
further
appropriation
to
fund
the
fiscal
22
funding
round
projects.
G
I
served
as
deputy
cfo
and
had
a
treasury
for
the
city
treasury
being
the
department
that
manages
cpa
also
on
hand
to
field
any
specific
questions
that
you
may
have
that
I'm
not
able
to
answer
are
sally
zimmerman
and
courtney
whalen,
who
both
serve
as
project
consultants,
for
the
cpc
not
with
us
today
is
our
deputy
director
thadine
brown,
who
is
taking
some
well
deserved
time
away
before
I
dive
into
the
details
of
the
specific
requests,
I'd
like
to
ask
more
to
discuss
the
cpa's
funding
generally
and
provide
a
bit
more
detail
as
to
how
we
came
to
the
top
line
figures
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
G
E
Thanks
drew
and
thank
you
to
the
chairman
and
the
committee
for
having
us
today
the
total
budget
available
for
the
cpa
in
fiscal
year,
2022,
which
will
start
on
july
1
2021
is
recommended
at
approximately
29.5
million
dollars.
This
amount
will
be
divided
into
two
buckets.
Just
like
I
was
mentioned.
One
is
the
funds
dedicated
to
the
administrative
budget
and
the
funds
dedicated
for
the
projects.
E
The
revenue
supporting
the
cpa
has
three
main
components:
one
is
the
one
percent
property
tax
surcharge.
We
receive
a
state
match
and
any
remaining
fund
balance
from
previous
years.
Specifically,
we
are
projecting
to
collect
in
fiscal
year,
22
2022
22.5
million
dollars
in
property
tax
surcharge
based
on
a
modest
increase
in
property
values.
Now,
given
the
many
uncertainties
in
the
market
right
now,
specifically
around
commercial
properties,
we
didn't
want
to
over
budget,
so
we
won't
have
any
issues
in
the
future.
E
We
expect
the
state
match
which
comes
from
the
state's
cpa,
trust
fund
to
be
3.3
million
dollars.
The
trust
fund
revenues
are
derived
from
a
surcharge
placed
on
all
real
estate
transactions
at
the
state's
registries
of
deeds
and
just
as
a
reference,
the
surcharge
for
most
documents
filed
at
the
registries
is
50.
G
Thanks
very
much
more
and
as
the
chairman
is
aware,
in
april,
we
requested
and
were
approved
for
25
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
funding
for
the
slate
of
projects
recommended
through
the
fiscal
21
funding
round.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
let
me
tell
you
that
those
agreements
have
been
distributed
and
the
process
of
funding
those
projects
is
already
well
underway.
We're
excited
to
see
their
work
as
it
progresses
and
to
assist
that
work
in
its
progression.
G
Today
we
request
appropriation
of
the
fiscal
22
administrative
budget
and
also
reservation
of
project
dollars
expected
to
fund
the
fiscal
22
slate
of
projects.
While
we
are
still
early
in
the
fiscal
22
round
and
have
no
project
information.
Yet
we
look
forward
to
sharing
those
recommendations
with
you
once
the
round
is
complete
later
this
year
and
early.
C
Next
year,
very
good,
thank
you
drew
and
more,
but
one
just
housekeeping
matter
is
that
I,
with
respect
to
public
testimony
and
those
wishing
to
submit
via
email,
I
gave
the
gun
operations
site.
So
it's
a
ccc.cpa
boston.gov
for
anyone,
that's
listening
or
views
the
rebroadcast.
C
They
could
send
an
email
they
could
submit
testimony
via
email
to
ccc.cpa
boston.com.
I've
also
been
joined
by
my
colleague,
kenzie
bark
as
well.
Just
a
couple
brief
questions,
because,
obviously
more
answered
a
couple
of
the
ones
that
I
had
is,
I
guess
in
in
this,
maybe
probably
more
directed
at
fading.
I
know
who
is
not
available,
but
I
was
curious
when
you
anticipate
the
project
recommendations
coming
before
the
council
for
approval
and
also
needed,
probably
more
for
thinking
as
to
do.
C
We
anticipate
a
need
for
more
staffing
or
any
increases
in
administrative
or
operating
costs.
Just
given
that
as
the
program
becomes,
you
know
more
popular,
it's
it's
been
the
buzz
in
all
the
neighborhoods
as
a
city-wide
counselor,
I
get.
You
know
asks
and
requests
all
the
time
and
you
write
on
the
community
meetings
and
there
are
things
that
are
happening
in
the
neighborhoods,
and
people
are
obviously
in
dire
need
of
funding,
so
I'm
gonna.
C
I
would
expect
that
the
application
process-
you
know
we'll
continue
to
get
you
know
significant
numbers
and
or
increases
every
year,
so
just
curious
to
see
whether
or
not
more
staffing
is
available
and
then
just
lastly,
explaining
sort
of
how
the
cpca
works
in
conjunction
with
other
city
departments,
to
not
only
maximize
the
resources
but
to
not
duplicate
efforts
and
whether
that's
on
the
housing
side
with
dnd
or
whether
it's
you
know
in
the
open
space
with
parks.
C
You
know
the
historic
preservation
stuff
with
with
landmarks
and
making
sure
that,
obviously
where
everyone's
in
our
own
lane,
but
that
those
were
maximizing
efforts
and
resources
about
you
know
servicing
the
public
on
that
front.
So
those
are
just
a
couple
of
the
questions
that
I
have
and
and
then
we'll
go
to
my
colleague
liz
braden
and
my
colleague
kenzie
bart
for
their
questions.
G
Sure
so
let
me
start
with
the
administrative
budget,
so
the
fiscal
22
budget
requests
a
total
of
one
million
twelve
thousand
four
hundred
dollars,
that's
an
increase
of
approximately
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
or
twenty
nine
point,
four
percent
over
fiscal,
twenty
one
at
the
recommended
level.
The
administrative
budget
would
account
for
three
point:
four
three
percent
of
revenues
which,
as
you
mentioned,
is
below
the
5
statutory
cap
that
we
have,
but
above
the
2.97
approved
in
fiscal
21..
G
The
primary
drivers
for
the
increase
this
year
over
previous
years
is
a
91
000
net
increase
in
personnel
costs,
as
we
added
a
deputy
director
and
program
manager,
position
and
phased
out.
The
outreach
coordinator
position
also
one
of
the
things
driving.
It
is
a
134
thousand
dollar
increase
for
contractual
services,
as
we
add
support
for
an
open
space
consultant
and
strategic
planning,
services,
counselor
or
chairman
this
a
lot
of
those
additions.
G
There
is
the
beginning
of
our
attempt
to
really
kind
of
build
out
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
be
able
to
handle
the
ever-increasing
number
of
projects
that
not
only
are
we
dealing
with
on
an
annual
basis,
but
as
we
take
projects
into
inventory,
we
have
larger
responsibilities
for
compliance
over
the
ensuing
15
years.
So
you're
exactly
right,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
this
particular
administrative
budget
focuses
on.
G
As
far
as
when
you
could
expect
the
additional
projects
we
expect
it's
largely
going
to
be
on
the
same
timetable
that
was
used
for
fiscal
21.
So
we
would
come
before
the
council
again
with
a
full
slate
of
projects
in
early
calendar
22
and
certainly
can
keep
you
updated
and
give
you
more
information.
If
we
have,
as
we
have
those
as
far
as
how
I'm
sorry
did,
you
have
a
question.
G
You
bet,
as
far
as
how
we
work
with
various
other
city
departments
in
determining
allocation.
Certainly
one
of
the
most
prominent
examples
is
going
to
be
the
work
we
do
with
dnd.
Certainly
when
d
d
is
making
requests,
they're
they're
very
well
aware
of
the
various
funding
sources
that
they
have
available
to
them.
Treasury
also
helps
administer
the
neighborhood
housing
trust.
G
So
we
certainly
keep
all
of
those
things
in
mind
and
we
make
sure
that
the
cpc
is
aware
of
various
other
funding
sources
that
are
coming
into
the
specific
projects
as
they're
reviewing
them.
But
we
will
continue
to
endeavor
to
make
sure
that
we
fund
these
projects
as
efficiently
as
possible,
and
a
big
part
of
that
is
making
sure
that
we
know
what
other
city
resources
are
are
available
and
how
they're
coordinating
together.
G
F
Thank
you
so
how
many
personnel
do
you
have
altogether?
You
have
a
personal
budget,
that's
gone
up
by
91
000..
How
many
staff
do
you
have.
G
So
right
now,
staffing
house,
we
have
two
city,
proper
and
or
city
employees
proper,
and
then
we
have
two
consultants.
We
are
about
to
bring
on
an
additional
open
space
consultant,
and
this
budget
accounts
for
the
fact
that
we
do
expect
to
bring
on
a
director
for
the
cpc
this
year.
G
We
have
this
budget
also
accounts
for
the
addition
of
a
program
manager
to
assist,
and
that
would
certainly
be
a
city
employee
as
well.
F
Okay,
that's
good
and
in
terms
of
outreach,
you
know
why
austin
brighton's,
the
second
largest
community
neighborhood
in
the
city,
and
we
had
two
projects
last
year,
and
that
was
that
was
it
and
I
I'm
constantly
trying
to
raise
up
the
issue
of
cpa
projects,
but
it's
in
terms
of
outreach
to
communities.
G
So
I'm
going
to
answer
the
question
quickly
and
then
defer
to
sally
and
courtney.
Maybe
answer
it
a
little
bit
more
slowly
if
it's
helpful,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
the
we
are
in
the.
G
In
the
throes
of
the
strategic
planning
process
now
which
were
required
by
statute,
a
big
part
of
strategic
planning
is
going
to
be
to
determine
ways
that
we
can
engage
even
to
an
even
better
extent
in
community
outreach
to
make
sure
that
we're
hitting
as
many
different
communities
as
possible
and
we're
meeting
folks
where
they
are
so
that
has
certainly
been
a
focus
of
ours
over
the
last
number
of
years.
That
will
continue
to
be
an
even
larger
focus.
It's
very
important
to
cpc
that
we
see
projects
from
every
single
neighborhood.
G
So
I
certainly
hear
you
and
sally
or
courtney.
Did
you
have
anything
that
you'd
like
to
add
any
detail
on
what
we've
actually
done?
It
looks
like
we've
got
sally.
H
Yes,
thank
you
councilor
braden.
We
do
have
a
pipeline
project
for
austin
brighton
and
we
also
have
an
interesting,
very
preliminary
study
of
potential
austin
brighton
projects
that
we
will
pursue
as
part
of
strategic
scanning.
I
Thank
you
and
counselor
I'll
just
add
that
we've
had
a
number
of
virtual
meeting
greets
over
the
past
year
because
of
covet
and
we've
continued
it
because
we've
gotten
such
good
turnout,
we've
had
an
informational,
kickoff
session
and
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
come
to
your
district.
If
you
want
to
coordinate
something,
we're
doing
something
now
with
counselor
flynn,
so
we're
here
and
we're
happy
to
share
our
information.
So
that
is
always
an
option
from
us
we're
happy
to
do
it.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
and
we
really
do.
I
think
covert
has
upset
the
apple
card
a
little.
So
I
hope
that
maybe
we
could
maybe
set
up
an
in-person
information
session.
You
know
maybe
in
the
fall
when
we,
when
we
get
through
the
summer.
C
A
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
chair
happy
to
be
here
and
as
people
know,
cpa
is
very
close
to
my
heart
at
campaign
hartford
back
in
2016,
and
it's
great
to
think
that
we're
already
at
that
marking
point
of
actually
doing
another
strategic
plan
so
glad
to
hear
about
that
drew
and
all
and
I'm
coming
to
you
from
the
boston
comment
where
I
can
report
that
the
frog
pond
is
now
open
for
you,
speaking
of
open
space
drew.
A
A
A
You
know,
folks,
who
may
have
less
resources
around
to
sort
of
do
the
necessary
prep
to
put
a
historic
preservation
project
before
us,
because
I
do
think
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
lopsidedness
there,
and
I
know
that
there's
been
a
long
interest
in
the
historic
preservation
community,
which
I
share
in
the
possibility
of
some
preservation
planning
being
supported
with
the
administrative
five
percent.
And
so
I
would
love
to
hear
kind
of
where
we
are
on
that
front.
From
your
perspective,.
G
Sure
so,
thanks
very
much
for
the
question.
We
have
been
working
with
environment,
to
figure
out
a
way
that
cpa
can
participate
in
funding
a
sort
of
preservation
survey.
Certainly
it's
something
that
is
allowed
for
using
cpa
administrative
funds
and
we
actually
are
carrying
some
money
in
the
budget
this
year
to
provide
for
that.
One
of
the
difficulties
is:
is
that
cpa
is
still
limited
to
the
the
extent
to
which
we
can
support
a
historic
preservation.
Survey
using
admin
dollars
is
largely
limited
to
projects.
G
That
would
be
the
information
it
gives
us
on
projects
that
would
potentially
be
eligible
for
cpa
funding.
So
if
the
environment
department
wanted
to
do
a
historic
preservation
survey
and
wanted
to
survey
everything,
it's
not
that
the
cpa
could
pay
for
100
of
that
survey,
we
would
pay
for
a
portion
of
that
based
on
what
would
be
useful
for
the
cpc's
purposes.
So
that's
something.
G
We've
actually
already
been
talking
with
the
environment
department
about
to
see
what
that
funding
level
might
be,
that
cpa
can
cpa
could
contribute,
but
we
are
carrying
right
now,
80
000,
in
the
administrative
budget
that
rolls
up
to
that
larger
number.
We're
asking
for
specifically
for
survey
purposes.
So
it's
something
that's
top
of
mind
for
us
and
we
continue
to
have
conversations
on.
A
A
G
Well,
I
I
lost
a
little
bit
of
their
counselor
just
for
a
moment,
but
I
think
I
get
the
gist
of
your
question.
So
it's
been
there
have
so
we're
very
careful
with
how
we
spend
administrative
dollars
to
make
sure
that
it's
allowable
expense
and
whether
or
not
it's
not
allowable
expense,
as
many
things
are,
is
subject
a
bit
to
interpretation
and
review
by
the
law
department,
so
we're
actually
working
with
cpa's
council
right
now
to
determine
based
on
what
the
environment
department
wants
to
do
in
developing
this
historic
preservation
survey.
G
Arguably,
it
is
potentially
broad
and
we
could
pay
for
quite
a
bit
of
it,
but
arguably
maybe
we
couldn't
so
those
are
conversations
we're
having
with
in
conjunction
with
environment
in
the
law
department.
I
just
don't
have
any
specifics
right
now
on
to
what
level
we're
able
to
support
what
the
environment
department
proposes.
A
And
then
also,
as
I
think
you
know,
there's
a
provision
in
our
cpa,
ordinance
that
had
originally
called
for
a
kind
of
fy
17
baseline
to
be
set
so
that
we
could
kind
of
track
over
time
what
city
spending
in
these
categories
is,
with
the
goal
of
course,
being
to
stay
true
to
the
spirit
of
the
statute,
that
these
are
additional
dollars,
not
replacement
dollars,
and
I
think
you
know,
as
part
of
a
kind
of
way,
to
report
back
to
taxpayers
about
the
fact
that
this
program
has
really
increased
capacity
for
these.
A
For
these
things
that
has
been
discussed,
people
care
quite
a
lot
about
it
is
it
is
like
that
is
in
the
ordinance
that
was
passed
by
the
council
and
signed
into
law.
I
don't
believe
that
baseline
has
yet
actually
been
assessed
and
established,
and
I
would
like
to
know
you
know
as
we
as
we
come
to.
You
know
the
final
days
on
the
fy
22
budget,
which
is
of
course,
five
years
past
fy
17..
G
H
I
I
have
to
confess
I'm
sorry,
councilor
bach
I
I'm
unfamiliar
with
the
baseline.
You
refer
to.
Could
you
be
more
specific.
A
Yeah,
so
in
the
in
the
cpa,
ordinance
that
boston
passed
to
enable
after
we
after
we
passed
the
ballot
question,
the
ordinance
that
set
up
the
cpc
and
all
it.
It
has
a
section
that
said.
Oh
and
treasury's
gonna
establish
what
monies
were
being
spent
on
these
eligible
purposes
in
the
city
budget
in
fy
17,
so
which
was
the
last
year
before
it
went
into
practice
such
that.
G
Let
me
do
this
thin
counselor.
Let
me
get
back
to
you
on
that,
so
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
good
answer
for
you
today,
but
I
can
certainly
get
back
to
you
on
where
we
are
with
that
it
may
be
sometimes
when
it
says
treasury.
It
may
be
that
we
work
in
conjunction
with
obm
and
collecting
some
of
that
information.
So
let
me
let
me
get
back
with
you
on
that.
G
No
and
I'm
not,
and
I'm
not
looking
to
before
moore
gets
on
to
me-
I'm
not
looking
to
put
any
extra
work
on
obm
either,
but
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
you
a
good
answer.
So
we'll
we'll
get
you
good
data.
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
great,
and
I
just
I
I
just
would
stress
that
this
is
something
that
that
I've
raised
now
for
a
couple
of
years
at
these
hearings-
and
it's
just
like
it
has
to
it-
needs
to
happen
so
and
then
I
guess
my
shoot.
I
had
a
last
question.
Well,
I've,
oh
cpa,
bonding.
Are
we
looking
into
that
at
all.
G
It's
certainly
something
that
the
cpc's
discussed,
you
know,
I'm
a
and
I've
actually
even
before
treasury
kind
of
came
in
and
started,
assisting
more
specifically
with
cpc
was
something
I
had.
G
The
committee
had
asked
me
to
come
in
and
talk
about
because
we
obviously
do
a
lot
of
bonding
on
the
city
side
before
we
actually
bond
for
something
there
would
really
need
to
be
a
need
determined
that
you
know
bonding
makes
sense,
and
you
know
the
whole
point
of
that
obviously
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
get
a
chunk
of
money
up
front
and
pay
it
off
over
time.
It's
something
that
I
would
assume
will
continue
to
be
considered.
There's
not
been
a
demonstrated
need
just
yet
oftentimes.
G
You
see
in
other
communities
that
bond
what
they're
doing
it
for
is
to
fund
a
single
large
transformational
project
and
then
pay
that
off
over
the
next
10
15
or
20
years
in
boston.
What
we
generally
see
the
applicants
we
generally
see
come
in
with
cpc
dollars
are
relatively
smaller
projects,
not
small
but
relatively
smaller.
That
wouldn't
necessarily
require
any
type
of
bonding
to
get
done.
G
So,
to
the
extent
that
there's
a
larger
project
that
comes
in
or
based
on
what
the
strategic
planning
analysis
looks
like,
because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
conversations
around
that
it
may
be
something
we
could
do
in
the
future.
We're
certainly
not
closed
off
from
the
idea.
A
Great
yeah
it
just
it
strikes
me
that
it's
something
I.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
at
least
have
sort
of
enough
technical
expertise
supporting
the
cpc
and
the
strategic
plan
on
this
front
that
they
sort
of
understand
the
option.
Because
to
my
instinct,
it's
it's
a
useful
thing
to
have
in
that
conversation.
For
two
reasons,
one
is
because
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
found
that
we
did
want
to
think
about
making
space
for
some
bigger
projects.
A
A
But,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
being
strategic
about
I'm
well
aware
that
cpa
bonding
isn't
necessarily
going
to
compete
with
or
make
sense
as
an
alternative
to
geo
bonding
for
a
lot
of
our
types
of
projects.
But
it
does
strike
me
that
things
where
we
can't
geo
bond,
because
ownership
ends
up
in
private
hands,
even
if
it's
a
non-profit
or
whatever.
G
Well,
I'm
going
to
be
so
you're
exactly
right
and
the
cpc
or
the
cpa
does
give
additional
bonding
flexibility
that
doesn't
exist
under
standard
constitution.
You
know
what
we
can
constitutionally
bond
for,
or
would
bond
for
that,
I'm
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
strategic
planning
discussion
and
certainly
as
it
relates
to
bonds.
I
would
imagine
that
that's
going
to
come
up
and
and
the
potential
options
here.
So
I
hear
you
and
I
don't
disagree.
So
it's
something
we'll
continue
to
discuss.
C
You
kenzie
great
questions
and
we've
also
been
joined
by
my
colleague
city
council
president
matt
o'malley
before
matt
goes
to
questions
drew.
Who
does
the
cpa
or
cpc?
Who
do
you
use
as
your
attorneys?
Are
you
using
the
law
department?
C
Obviously,
we
would
encourage
them
to
to
work
closely
with
the
council
committee,
but
also
our
attorney
is
christine
o'donnell,
who
does
great
work
and
reviews
all
of
these
proposals,
in
conjunction
with
with
me,
as
the
chair,
so
in
his
council
bloc,
was
just
referencing
on
sort
of
a
new
we're
entering
on
the
bonding
side
of
the
house,
clearly
whether
it's
bond
council
or
underwriting
council.
C
Clearly,
we
need
to
be
using
council
and
I
guess,
would
those
funds
be
used
from
the
administrative
costs
to
to
pay,
for,
I
guess
outside
bond
council
or
underwriting
council.
So
I
mean
these
are
some
moving
parts,
but
if
we're
going
to
go
down
the
road
of
of
of
bonding,
we
need
to
factor
those
into
sure
to
expenses,
etc.
So
what
are
your
thoughts
and
who
are
you
guys
conferring
with?
Is
it
the
corporation
council
or
you
have
a
different
council.
G
Well
for
state,
it's
a
great
question.
Thank
you
so
for
standard
programmatic
questions,
we
work
specifically
with
corporation
council.
If
we
got
to
the
point
to
where
we
needed
a
bond
council,
the
answer
is,
is
I'm
not
sure,
so
you
would
be
in
a
situation
where
either
in
theory,
the
cpa
could
potentially
select
its
own
bond
council
or
we
could
have
a
separate
bond
council
specifically
for
cpa
or
what
is
probably
more
likely
counselor
is
that
we
would
use
the
city
spawn
council,
which
is
locked
lord,
specifically
walter
st
onge
over
there.
G
Certainly,
as
we
start
to
get
into
the
discussion,
if
we
have
questions
that
around
allowability
that
we
want
to
put
in
front
of
a
bond
council,
that's
exactly
who
we
do
it.
So
we
already
have
somebody.
You
know
that
we
retained
that.
We
could
ask
those
questions
to
so
we're
certainly
not
going
to
be
slowed
down,
because
we
don't
have
a
council,
we
would
just
use
the
cities.
J
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
drew
great
to
see
you
to
your
entire
team.
It's
great
to
be
with
you.
I
apologize
for
being
late.
You
may
have
gone
over
this.
My
only
questions,
I'm
referring
to
sort
of
the
docket
overview
for
this
for
the
the
funding
that
christine
o'donnell,
I
believe,
sent
to
us
earlier
today
and
it
it's
more
of
a
technical
question
and
they
appropriated
for
projects
the
second
from
the
bottom
line
and
then
remaining
for
the
following
year,
of
course,
and
fy
19.
J
about
35
million
appropriated
for
pro
projects.
We
kept
a
small
amount
and
I
have
just
under
200
000
following
years
about
24
million
appropriated
for
projects,
and
then
there
was
a
healthy
10.
I
guess
I'd
call
it
a
reserve
25
million
dollars
for
this
year.
It
may
be
too
early
to
get
the
exact
number,
but
is
our
percentage
that
we're
saving
sort
of
remaining
in
that
10
ballpark.
J
Okay,
again,
I
may
be
referencing
a
sheet
that
you
don't
have
in
front
of
you.
If
so
I
apologize
there's
a
sheet
that
breaks
down
the
account
account
name,
the
actuals
budget
and
recommended
1920,
and
this
is
just
the
bottom,
I'm
just
curious.
How
much
we
typically
save
10
seems
like
a
pretty
good
goal
post
to
try
to
meet.
E
Yeah,
so
I
think
obviously
these
are
very
preliminary
numbers
because
21
is
not
over
yet,
and
the
last
month
of
the
fiscal
year
always
have
a
lot
of
year-end
movements.
E
E
So,
instead
of
receiving
what
we
thought
is
going
to
be
around
3
million,
we
received
over
6
million,
so
that
is
gonna
and
we
didn't
account
for
that.
So
that's
gonna
push
our
surplus
a
little
bit
higher
for
this
year,
but
it's
not
something
that
should
happen
year
over
year.
J
I
see
but
would
then
that's
helpful
and
that's,
I
think,
prudent
and
that's
that's
good
news.
So
so
let
me
get
that
out
of
the
way
in
terms
of
what's
anticipated,
for
the
state
match
for
fy
22.
Do
we
think
we're
going
to
be
more
in
the
3
million
or
6
million
dollar
ballpark.
E
So
we're
budgeting
based
on
the
3
million,
which
is
basically
we're
budgeting
15
of
what
we
collected
in
surcharge
because
that's
how
they
calculate
the
state
match,
so
we're
assuming
the
3.3
million.
But
there
is,
if
the
state
has
a
is
doing
a
supplemental
in
october.
We
could
get
more,
but
it
could
be
that
we
are
only
going
to
get
a
little
bit
more
and
it
could.
E
There
are
so
many
unknowns
in
terms
of
if
there's
going
to
be
a
supplemental
and
how
how
it's
going
to
be
so
we're
budgeting
based
on
the
three
million.
J
Fabulous
and
if
we
don't
hit
those
high
numbers,
then
treasurer
smith
is
gonna-
have
to
sell
his
selena
meyer
coffee
cup
to
help
make
up
the
difference
for
it.
So
thank
you
all,
obviously,
to
to
to
the
chair.
Michael
flaherty,
who's
been
just
such
a
leader
on
cpa
for
long
before
my
time
in
on
this
body.
These
are
exciting.
These
you
guys
have
done
such
an
amazing.
You
you've
done
such
an
amazing
job
on
this
working
with
the
committee
really
identifying
needed
areas
and
and
always
looking
for
the
ends
of
equity.
J
I've
been
so
proud
to
been
part
of
the
council
that
helped
get
cpa
on
the
ballot
through
michael
flaherty's
leadership
and
I've
just
been
incredibly.
J
I
remain
incredibly
grateful
to
each
and
every
one
of
you,
because
it's
it's
it's
a
feel-good
thing
and
it's
another
example
of
what
government
ought
to
be
doing,
which
is
serving
the
the
people
of
the
city
and
guests
of
the
city,
and
we've
done
some
really
remarkable
work
working
together
in
that
time.
So
obviously
really
grateful
for
all
of
your
leadership
and
work
and
look
forward
to
another
successful
round
of
funding.
So
that's
all
mr
chair,
thank
you
all.
C
Thank
you,
mr
president,
for
your
kind
words
and
we've
also
been
joined
by
city
councilor,
ed
flynn,
so
right
before
ed's
questions
drew
into
a
more
question,
because
my
counselor
o'malley
drew
me
to
the
the
sort
of
line
item
portion,
but
so
contracted
services.
C
You
know,
obviously
the
first
year
was
just
getting
started,
was
5400
and
then
year
one
was
72
and
then
it
jumped
up
significantly
to
320..
Now
it's
455..
Can
you
just
give
me
a
snapshot
of
what
those
contracted
services
are,
and
so
who
are
we
contracting
out
within?
Are
those
functions?
If
you
will
that
could
be
captured
in-house
and
could
we
be
doing
that?
C
Could
we
be
providing
those
services
in-house
as
opposed
to
contracting
outside
so,
and
I
only
say
that,
because
that's
a
that's
a
that's
a
half,
a
million
dollar
number
there
that
started
at
5,
400
bucks
so
as
clearly
as
the
program
grew,
which
we
fully
anticipated
in
its
interest
and
the
excitement
all
around
it
and
the
application
process,
as
we
knew
there
would
be
a
ramp
up
and
is
so.
You
know
we're
on
a
trajectory
here
like
so
next
time.
C
It's
going
to
be
probably
six
something
and
then
the
one
after
that's
going
to
be
eight
something
and
the
one
after
that's
going
to
be
a
million
bucks
and
people
are
going
to
say
well,
that's
an
ipod
who
are
we
contracting
with
what
services
are
we
going
out
outside
for
that?
We
cannot
be
handling
inside.
So
I
guess
that's
the
you
know
what
are
the
range
of
contracted
services
that
that
are
in
that
455
000
number.
G
You
bet
so
the
so.
The
contracted
services
cover
a
couple
of
different
things.
One
of
the
things
that
covers
specifically,
which.
G
G
The
driver
of
it
are
the
consultant.
Would
it
be
great,
as
full-time
city
employees
to
do
a
lot
of
that
work?
I
think
yes,
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
way
we
agree
with
you
and
that's
probably
the
way
we
go
eventually,
but
while
we
build
out
the
program,
this
has
been
the
approach
that
we've
decided
to
take
and
put
that
under
contracted
services,
so
that
accounts
for
a
chunk
of
it.
Another
chunk
of
that
is
going
to
be
what
I
talked
to
counselor
talk
about
earlier,
which
was
historic
preservation
survey.
G
The
strategic
planning
survey
that
we've
got
rfp
right
now,
that's
dropped
in
there,
and
so
then
that
would
certainly
be
a
chunk.
And
then
we
have
some
money
in
there
for
technical
support
for
this
time
around.
So
I
would
say
that
the
growth
you're
seeing
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is
primarily
due
to
the
bringing
out
of
consultants,
but
also
the
strategic
planning
which
the
planning
support
we
have
budgeted
here
at
75
000
this
time
around.
G
It
is
a
component
that
makes
up
that
number
and
then
the
sort
preservation
survey
is
80
000..
So
there's
a
few
things
in
there
that
would
not
be
ongoing
costs
necessarily,
but
at
least
the
consultant
side
of
it
is.
We
expect
it
to
be
for
the
next
couple
of
years,
but
as
far
as
your
concern
about
seeing
that
trend
line
and
being
rightly
concerned
that
it
may
continue
up
at
its
current
trajectory,
that
is
not
what's
anticipated.
That's
certainly
not
what
we
anticipate.
C
Very
good,
thank
you,
drew
we've
also
been
joined
by
my
colleague
at
large
city
council,
anissa
asabi
george
council
flynn,
you're
up
and
then
followed
by
counselor
sabi
george.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
of
flaherty
and
thank
you,
council
clarity
and
to
counselor,
campbell
and
and
actually
council
bark
as
well
for
your
tremendous
work
over
the
years
on
cpa.
It's
greatly
appreciated,
and
I
know
the
residents
respect
the
work
that
you've
done,
bringing
cpa
to
boston.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
some
of
my
colleagues
and
also
the
city
council
attorney.
Christine
o'donnell
has
done
an
excellent
job
as
well
working
with
council
flaherty
on
on
cpa
related
issues.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
cpa
team
that
is
here
now.
K
What
I
like
about
this
program
is,
it
brings
out
the
best
in
our
city
residents
come
together.
They
love
listening
to
proposals
that
might
not
even
be
in
their
own
neighborhood,
but
they're,
always
learning
about
different
parts
of
boston
and
getting
ideas
about
what
could
happen
in
their
neighborhood.
So
I
like
the
program
a
lot
because
it
unites
us
instead
of
the
division
we
often
see
in
our
country,
so
continue.
The
good
work
of
the
cpa
team
continue
reaching
out
to
resident
residents
asking
their
opinion
explaining
the
program.
K
It
goes
a
long
way
and
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
the
cpa
team
has
done
and
continues
to
do.
I
have
no
questions.
Counselor
flaherty.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
cpa
team.
K
I
K
I
know
the
next
person
that
was
up
was
counselor,
asabi
george,
maybe
council,
savvy
george.
You
want
to
jump
in
next.
C
L
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
counselor
flynn
for
chairing
holding
that
gavel
for
a
few
moments.
I
apologize
for
tuning
in
to
this
meeting
late,
so
I
don't
have
any
questions
just
I
think
in
echoing
some
of
what
or
all
of
what
council
flynn
just
mentioned,
just
grateful
that
we
have
this
opportunity
before
us
and
that
it
has
become
a
vehicle
for
community
to
engage
and
support
efforts
across
many
of
our
all
of
our
neighborhoods
at
some
point
or
another.
L
But
you
know
this
is
this
is
good
stuff
if
I
could
hashtag
that
and
look
forward
to
this
being
presented
before
the
body
next
week.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
C
Thank
you,
counselor
wasabi
george.
I
don't
see
any
additional
colleagues
looking
to
add
any
comments
or
testimony
kerry
at
this
time
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
are
in
the
waiting
room
are
looking
to
offer
public
testimony
at
this
time,
not
currently,
mr
chair,
pretty
good,
so
that
will
conclude
the
public
testimony
portion
of
it,
as
as
mentioned
they
could
tune
in
to
broadcast,
as
well
as
send
written
correspondence
to
their
district
or
at-large
colleagues
or
to
the
committee
directly
at
c
c
c
cc.cpa.gov.
C
So
that
said
that
that
will
conclude
unless
drew
or
moore
or
sarah
or
courtney
have
anything
additional
to
add
very
productive.
We're
obviously
very
proud
to
have
cpa
up
and
running
in
the
cpc
working
closely
with
the
boston
city
council
and
putting
a
lot
of
great
things
in
projects
and
particularly
around
affordable
housing
and
open
space
and
historic
preservation.
C
So
it's
it's
exciting,
obviously
to
be
participating
as
a
member
of
the
council
to
have
been
involved
in
the
first
effort
when
we
come
up
a
little
short
but
undeterred
and
finally
got
the
matter
back
on
and
passed
on
the
ballot.
C
So
it's
exciting
to
be
a
member
of
the
council,
particularly
as
a
city-wide
city
councilor,
and
you
go
across
the
city
and
whether
it's
the
community
groups
or
the
friends
groups,
I
mean
advocates
those
little
special
places
and
landmarks
in
all
of
our
neighborhoods,
where
you
could
add
and
add
some
hope
and
restore
those
beautiful
edifices.
So
it's
all
good
stuff
from
from
our
perspective,
so
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
and
the
attention
to
detail
that
goes
into
it.
C
You
guys
do
great
work,
as
council
flynn
is
referenced
earlier,
hosting
you
folks
to
come
out
into
the
community
to
educate
the
civic
associations
in
the
community
organizations
as
to
how
to
go
about
putting
their
best
foot
forward
to
compete
for
these
very
precious
funds.
So
it's
all
good
stuff.
So
I
appreciate
it:
I'm
proud
to
turn
around
a
committee
report
get
this
before
the
council
for
a
vote
asap
so
with
that,
unless
anyone
else
anything
else.
C
For
me,
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
see
all
of
you
guys
and
sorry
for
the
technical
difficulties
in
the
beginning,
but
that
will
conclude
this
hearing
so
with
respect
to
docket.
Let
me
find
my
sheets
here.
C
Target
zero
five
four
eight
messenger,
approving
an
appropriation
of
one
million;
twelve
thousand
four
hundred
for
administrative
expenses,
the
city
of
boston
cpc,
as
well
as
28
million
479
574
for
the
community
preservation
fund.
The
committee
on
community
preservation
will
be
adjourned.
Thank
you
and
good
to
see
everybody.
Thank
you.