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From YouTube: Committee on Boston's COVID_19 Recovery on June 1, 2022
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Dockets #0503 #0504 #0512 #0547 - This hearing is one in a series to discuss American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding proposals from the Mayor and from Councilors.
This hearing will focus on Housing.
A
This
public
hearing
is
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city
dash,
council
dash
tv
and
broadcast
on
xfinity
channel
8,
rcn
channel
82
and
fios
channel
964.,
we'll
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
if
you're
interested
in
testifying
here
with
us
in
the
chamber,
please
sign
up
on
the
sheet
near
the
door,
it's
that
one
over
there
and
if
you
are
watching
at
home
and
interested
in
testifying
virtually
please
email
ccc.covid19
at
boston.gov
and
we'll
be
happy
to
get
you
the
link.
A
A
The
grant
payment
would
fund
covet
19
response
and
recovery
efforts
and
accelerate
a
green
new
deal
for
boston
through
once
in
a
generation
transformative.
Investments
that
address
the
systemic
health
and
economic
challenges
in
the
areas
of
affordable
housing,
economic
opportunity
and
inclusion,
behavioral
health,
climate
and
mobility,
arts
and
culture,
and
early
childhood
and
docket
0504
message
and
order
authorizing
the
city
of
boston
to
accept
and
expand
the
amount
of
40
million
dollars
in
the
form
of
a
grant
awarded
by
the
united
states
department
of
the
treasury
to
be
administered
by
the
city
of
boston's.
A
Chief
financial
officer,
collective
treasurer
from
the
coronavirus
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
fund
in
the
treasury
of
the
united
states,
established
by
section
9901
of
the
american
rescue
plan
act
of
2021
arpa
and
pursuant
to
the
requirements
of
the
arpa.
The
grant
payment
would
fund
provision
of
government
services
to
the
extent
of
the
reduction
in
revenue
of
such
state
territory
or
tribal
government.
Due
to
the
coven
19
public
health.
A
The
administration
introduced
a
docket
back
in
april
for
350
million,
which
is
sort
of
the
remaining
unallocated
arp
of
funds
that
just
came
to
the
city
is
in
a
general
block,
and
so
the
council
is
considering
kind
of
how
to
appropriate
those
funds,
and
so
the
administration
filed
a
proposal
for
appropriation
which
included
sort
of
sub-designations
in
a
bunch
of
those
categories
that
I
read
out
earlier.
So
arts
and
culture
early
childhood
economic
opportunity
and
inclusion.
A
We
focused
on
those
sub-topics
at
the
hearing
last
friday
today,
we'll
be
focusing
on
housing,
which
is
also
where
the
administration's
proposed
the
lion's
share
of
the
funding
to
go.
So
I
think
206
out
of
the
350
million
and
then
on
friday
morning,
we'll
be
having
a
hearing
focused
on
climate
mobility
and
then
also
digital
equity,
at
10
a.m
and
friday
at
2
p.m.
A
Basically,
we've
also
been
encouraging
counselors
to
file
proposals
of
places,
they'd
like
to
see
arpa
dollars
focused
and
we
are
co-noticing
those
sort
of
by
topic
area,
so
the
one
that
the
order
for
hearing
regarding
allocating
arpa
funds
to
a
homeownership
voucher
program,
the
lead
sponsor
of
that
is
counselor.
Brian
morrell
who's
here
and
I
think
counselor
flaherty
is
the
second
and
then-
and
I
I'm
on
it
as
well,
and
then
docket
zero,
five,
four,
seven,
the
one
about
code
recovery
funds
to
create
housing
options
for
returning
citizens.
A
The
lead
sponsor
is
councillor
louis
gen,
and
then
I
think
it's
myself
and
counselor
warrell,
though
sorry
I'll,
correct
those.
If
I'm
wrong
later.
So
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
is
first,
go
to
the
administration
for
a
presentation
and
then
jump
into
questions
and
and
also
talk
about
those
dockets
as
they
come
up
so
we're
joined
here
today
by
sheila
dillon,
the
chief
of
housing,
I'm
from
the
mayor's
office
of
housing.
B
So
thank
you,
committee,
chairperson
bach
and
city
council
members,
for
the
record.
My
name
is
sheila
dillon
and
I'm
chief
of
housing
and
the
director
of
the
mayor's
office
of
housing,
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
today
to
provide
you
with
our
proposed
plan
for
expanding
206
million
dollars
of
arpa
funding.
These
investments
will
not
only
improve
our
immediate
housing
challenges
but
set
in
motion
actions
and
efforts
that
will
assist
our
residents
for
years
to
come.
The
first
slide
is
a
summary
of
the
proposed
investments.
B
As
you
are
aware
or
may
be
aware,
arpa
funding
needs
to
be
committed
by
2024
and
spent
by
2026,
and
while
for
many
of
you,
this
might
seem
like
an
ample
time.
We
know
that
developments
and
new
programs
take
time
in
years
to
design
and
complete.
With
that
in
mind,
we
have
only
identified
housing
solutions
that
we
feel
can
be
acted
on
relatively
quickly,
so
I'm
going
to
be
going
through
each
of
these
categories
in
in
some
detail,
but
being
conscious
of
time.
We
can.
B
B
A
portion
of
this
funding
is
to
be
used
to
to
expand
our
current
home
buying
financial
assistance
programs,
including
down
down
payments
down
payment
assistance
and
for
first
generation
home
buyers
and
the
very
successful
oneplus
boston
mortgage
program,
which
allows
first-time
home
buyers
to
secure
low-interest
mortgages.
Those
programs
are
successful
and
up
and
running,
we
just
need
to
expand
them.
We'll
also
use
this
funding
to
support
the
development
of
green,
affordable
home
ownership
opportunities
on
remaining
city-owned
sites.
The
this
development
effort
will
leverage
state
arpa
funding
through
the
commonwealth
builder
program.
B
D
Thanks
counselors
and
sheila
on
the
home
ownership
side,
bha
has
been
working
really
hard
to
develop
strategies
to
increase
home
ownership,
opportunities
for
public
housing
and
section
8
residents,
and
I
want
to
thank
especially
councillor
warrell
for
working
with
us
on
this
and
helping
you
know
sort
of
push
these
proposals.
We've
got
three
strategies
that
are
proposed
under
this
funding
opportunity
and
all
of
these
strategies
are
the
primary
beneficiaries
would
be
people
families
of
color.
D
Our
current
section,
8
home
ownership
program,
allows
for
voucher
holders
to
purchase
a
home
and
continue
to
receive
their
voucher
subsidy
for
15
years,
and
so
that's
an
incredible
security
to
transition
from
a
rental
subsidy
to
home
ownership,
with
it's
a
relatively
small
program
where
we're
closing
maybe
five
to
six
transactions
a
year.
With
that
we
think
if
we
could
add
and
invest
in
the
city
voucher
program,
we
could
bring
many
more
of
these
voucher
holders
along
into
home
ownership.
D
Now
these
are
state-funded
units
and
the
state
has
indicated
a
willingness
to
work
with
us
to
transition
these
units.
We
think
long
term.
We've
got
50
50
to
60
units
that
we
could
put
into
home
ownership
with
the
help
from
the
city
and
perhaps
with
a
partnership
with
the
community
development
corporations
locally
during
the
arpa
period.
We
think,
probably
that's
about
25
units
or
about
half
of
the
total
portfolio.
We
think
we
could
move
during
that
period.
B
B
B
B
The
next
one
is
on
roseberry
road
in
hyde
park
done
by
norfolk
construction,
a
real
gem
of
a
developer
contractor
that
we've
recently
established
a
relationship
with
these
are
recently
sold.
These
are
two
condominium
units
that
feel
like
single
families
and
lastly,
this
project
is
on
norwell
street
and
done
with
a
lot
of
support
from
the
wow
neighborhood
association,
four
new
town
homes
being
done
by
travis
lee.
Thank
you,
but
that
just
shows,
though,
would
really
like
to
take
the
remaining
parcels
and
using
the
arpa
funds
develop
homes
like
these.
B
Next,
I
want
to
talk
about
our
next
proposal
and
this
will
use
30
million
dollars
to
transform
publicly
owned
land
into
green
mixed
income
communities
and,
as
many
of
you
are
aware,
the
mayor
has
asked
the
bpda
to
work
with
city
departments
to
complete
a
land
audit.
This
land
audit
will
include
large
parcels
of
land
where
significant
mixed
income
communities
can
be
constructed.
B
Two
of
the
examples
on
this
slide
one
is
olmsted
green,
which
we're
all
familiar
with
very,
very
large
state-owned
parcel
and
the
other
one
bartlett
yards.
Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
the
scale
of
new
communities
that
we're
looking
to
design
and
build
next
mayor's
office
of
housing
is
proposing
that
we
use
arpa
funding
to
combat
displacement
through
strategic
property
acquisitions
and,
while
we're,
while
we're
excited
about
new
investments
in
our
transportation
and
open
space
infrastructure,
we
know
that
too
often
critical
investments
can
accelerate
gentrification.
B
B
B
While
this
effort
will
serve
us
for
decades,
our
work
at
mass
cass
has
demonstrated
the
need
for
us
to
build
additional
permanent,
supportive
housing
for
homeless
individuals
suffering
from
behavioral
health
and
substance
use
disorders.
Specifically,
this
funding
would
also
leverage
state
funding
set
aside
for
this
use.
B
These
sites
have
provided
shelter
and
connections
to
health
care
treatment
and
permanent
housing.
The
city
is
proposing
to
use
some
of
our
arpa
funding
to
maintain
these
low
threshold
shelter
sites
in
fiscal
year.
23..
These
sites
support
people
struggling
with
substance
use
disorders,
who
are
exiting
mass
cas
and
the
street.
The
state
has
also
expressed
their
interest
in
contributing
they're
contributing
to
the
support
of
these
sites,
which
we
are
very
we're.
B
B
Moa
has
moh
has
been
working
closely
with
the
environment
department
on
how
to
use
our
investments
in
housing,
development
and
preservation
to
accelerate
boston's
path
to
carbon
neutrality.
We
know
that
the
build
we
know
that
buildings
account
for
about
70
percent
of
boston's
greenhouse
gas
emissions
so
quickly.
Reducing
building
emissions
is
essential
to
achieving
a
green
new
deal
for
boston.
B
This
investment
will
focus
on
existing
deed,
restricted
housing
and
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
Retrofitting
these
homes
is
essential
not
only
for
its
climate
benefits,
but
also
because
these
improvements
will
improve
indoor
air
quality
and
livability,
while
reducing
operating
costs.
The
art
this
arpa
funding,
will
also
serve
as
proof
of
concept
and
build
momentum
for
future
efforts
to
upgrade
the
city's
housing
stock,
and
now
I'm
going
to
hand
it
back
over
to
kate
bennett
who's
going
to
talk
about
the
arpa
investment
proposed
for
public
housing.
E
D
B
We
would
assist
300
home
buyers
and
typically
our
programs
have
served
75
percent
of
the
the
household
served
at
bipoc
households,
and
we
would
help
bha
80
bha
households
buy
off
their
first
home.
We
would
continue
to
assist
individuals
at
the
low
threshold
sites.
We
would
complete
300,
deep
energy
retrofits
at
affordable
housing
and
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
and
the
bha
would
renovate
1
000
units.
It's
always
good
to
look
at
some
numbers.
A
Great
thank
you
so
much
chief
dylan
and
administrator
bennett
and
and
yeah.
We
appreciate
the
presentation
and
also
the
materials
that
you
all
sent
ahead,
just
to
remind
counselors
that
same
packet
that
I
sent
out
now
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
also
has
further
detail
on
each
of
these
programs.
All
right,
I
I
want
to
know.
We've
also
been
joined
by
my
colleagues
counselor
ruth
c
luigen
at
large
and
counselor
tania
fernandez,
anderson
district.
Seven,
I'm
going
to
hold
my
questions
and
I'll
jump
right
into
colleagues.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
work
you're
doing
in
this
field
for
so
many
years
for
your
important
leadership.
Thank
you
to
the
piano
as
well.
Thank
you,
kate,
and
thank
you
to
your
team
at
bha
for
everything
that
you
are
doing
and
thank
you
sheila
as
well
for
your
team
kate.
Could
I
just
start
with.
I
know
you
mentioned
the
ruth
barkley
cathedral
upgrades
improvements.
D
F
G
F
F
B
So
it's
it's
a
good
question.
We
are
where
we
look
at
the
large
sites
that
I
mentioned,
that
they
really
could
hold.
Each
of
them
could
hold
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
units,
and
I
think,
of
course
we
have
to
talk
to
the
neighborhood
in
which
they're
located
we
have
to
have
some.
You
know
community
dialogue,
dialogue
with
elected
officials,
but
the
hope
is
that
we're
seeing
seniors
and
and
and
family
rental
and
home
ownership
and
additional
veterans
housing
if
you
and
others
think
that
that
is
important.
B
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
and
the
first
time
home
buyer
program,
the
one
one
can.
I
certainly
support
it,
and
one
concern
I
have
is
we're
hiring
city
employees
to
come
work
for
the
city
of
boston,
hopefully
that
they
can
buy
a
home
eventually
here,
but
is
there
a
way
we
could
partner
with
first-time
home
buyers
that
are
also
struggling
city
employees
struggling
to
stay
in
the
city?
Many
of
them
have
residency
requirements
and
is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
work
with?
B
I
have
we
have
got
a
recent
proposal
from
a
community
member
to
do
home,
buying
classes
for
city
of
boston
employees,
so
I
think,
there's
a
renewed
interest
and
I'd
love
to
look
into
this
and
work
with
you
on
that.
I
think
it's
a
very
good
idea.
I
think
special
programs
for
city
employees
might
be
seen
as
problematic,
but
I
think
making
them
everyone
aware
of
the
programs
that
do
exist
is
something
we
should
be
doing.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
shayla.
I
agree
it.
Could
the
perception
could
be
that
it's
problematic,
but
when
we,
when
city
employees
are
required
to
live
in
the
in
the
city,
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
them
to
do
it
on
a
salary
of
you
know
fifty
or
sixty
thousand
dollars,
but
I
certainly
support
giving
city
employees
the
opportunity
to
engage
in
this
program
then.
F
Finally,
I
just
want
to
highlight
my
my
good
friend,
that's
in
the
audience,
michael
caine,
who
does
tremendous
work
advocating
for
low-income
residents
across
the
city
and
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
michael
for
your
many
years
of
advocacy
and
supporting
tenants.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
have
no
further
questions
or
comments.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
flynn
and
and
before
I
go
to
councillor
flaherty
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
was
right
that
just
dockets
zero
five
one,
two,
the
first
sponsors
counselor
warrell,
the
second
sponsor-
is
counselor
flaherty
and
then
I'm
the
third
one
and
then
for
the
for
docket
zero.
Five,
four
seven
counselor
louis
jen
is
the
first
one,
then
council,
orwell
and
then
myself
and
and
again
just
so
folks
know
the
reason
we
co-noticed.
A
Those
dockets
was
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
were
kind
of
formally
before
the
body
in
this
hearing,
so
that
if
counselors
wanted
to
ask
follow-up
questions
about
the
areas
of
their
housing
interests,
they
could
they
could
refer
to
those
dockets.
So
that's
sort
of
the
theory
of
that
and
we're
going
to
keep
doing
that
as
more
things
come
into
the
committee.
But
I
know
that
already
the
group
spoke
to
some
work
that
the
administration
has
done
in
response
to
the
docket
that
council
rorell's
lead
sponsor
on.
A
H
You,
madam
chair,
good
afternoon,
everybody
you
just
want
to
get
a
sense
as
to
the
the
opera
spend
on
home
ownership
versus
on
rental
relief
or
voucher
program.
So
we
have
an
actual
breakdown
as
to
what
percentage
has
gone
to
home
ownership
and
what
percentage
has
gone
to
the
rental
relief
of
voucher
programs.
I
J
Yeah
counselor
again
rick
wilson,
deputy
director
for
administration
and
finance
at
moh,
so
none
of
the
arpa
funding
is
going
to
rent
a
relief
per
se.
There
are
obviously
you
know,
as
sheila
mentioned,
a
good
amount
of
it
is
going
to
rental
program,
rental,
housing,
development
and,
as
kate
discussed,
you
know
we're
exploring
using
some
of
it
for
a
homeownership,
voucher,
home
ownership,
voucher
program,
not
a
rental
voucher
program.
So
none
of
the
arpa
funding
is
proposed
to
go
to
rental
assistance
or
rental
relief,
we're
using
emergency
rental
assistance
funding.
H
That's
about
it
and
then
my
one
of
my
favorite
programs
obviously
is
the
oneplus
mortgage
program
and
then
at
a
recent
hearing,
where
we
learned
that
we've
we've
lost
some
partners
on
that
front.
So
I
guess
how
many
lenders
do
we
currently
have
that
are
that
are
offering
the
oneplus
mortgage
program?
What
are
those
barriers,
and
I
would
like
to
include
a
barrier
that
anyone
that
does
business
with
the
city
of
boston,
particularly
our
banking
business?
We
use
a
number
of
banks
for
our
depository
accounts,
etc
that
we
make
part
of
that
bid.
H
We
make
it
a
requirement
that
they
participate
in
the
one
plus
mortgage
program,
so
it
may
not
be
for
some
banks
if
it's
not
for
some
banks
and
they
shouldn't
they
shouldn't
be
getting
our
depositories.
You
know,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
we're
going
to
play
it
straight
and
it's
going
to
be
a
two-way
street
if
they're
doing
business
and
we're
giving
them
funds
to
hold
for
us.
H
We
expect
them
to
participate
in
this
program
if
we
are
giving
them
funds
and
they're,
giving
us
the
old,
heisman
and
saying
so.
That's
kind
of
not
what
that's
not
how
we're
cut
out
right.
Well,
guess
what
we're
we're
not
cut
out
to
to
making
our
deposits
with
your
bank?
We
want
to
go
to
another
bank,
a
community,
partnering
bank.
So
could
you
tell
us
how
many
currently
participate
based
on
the
latest
news
and
how?
B
B
I
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
idea
that
we
require
banks
that
have
good
mortgage
products
to
participate
with
us.
So
I
would
welcome
working
with
you
on
that
as
we.
If
we
are
going
to
put
more
of
an
arp
investment
into
this
program,
we
are
going
to
need
additional
lenders.
So
I
I
would
welcome
that
tom
callahan,
just
as
an
aside.
You
know
he
recently
went
to
mcvic
and
they're
changing
their
name
and
all
of
that,
but
I
did
send
him
an
email.
B
The
other
day-
and
I
said
we-
I
haven't
seen
lending
information
in
a
while
right,
who's
lending
in
boston,
who's,
providing
mortgages
who
isn't
what
are
the
denial
rates,
so
he
said
that
he
would
compile
and
get
it
to
me
and
I'll
share
that
as
well.
I
think
it's
something
that
we're
not
monitoring
on
a
regular
basis
and
we
should
be
just
for
for
that
conversation.
Everybody
needs
to
help
on
this,
and
everybody
needs
to
do
their
part
right.
H
And
obviously
been
working
very
closely
with
my
colleague
council
orrell
morale
on
sort
of
the
you
know,
creating,
I
guess,
a
a
unique
voucher
program
to
to
boston
homeowners.
So
I
know
that
and
I'm
sure
he'll
he'll
dive
into
it
a
little
deeper.
But
to
date
I
guess
the
the
amount
of
opera
funds
that
have
gone
into
income
eligible
home
buyers.
We
have
a
specific
dollar
amount,
for
that
is
that
in
the
first
place,
60.
B
H
J
That's
we,
we
haven't,
you
know
tapped
where
we
have
to
wait,
obviously,
for
your
approval
before
we
can
tap
the
60
million
that
we're
proposing
we
did
get
in
the
first
round
of
arpa.
Last
year
there
was
like
it
wasn't
that
much
that
was
put
towards
towards
home
buying,
but
we
can
get
you
that
information
about
how
much
has
been.
H
Great
and
you
know,
council
railway-
he
can
go
into
everything
in
greater
detail
in
terms
of
just
having
it
be
it's
a
creative
solution.
I
think
that
if
it
could
be
properly
funded
and
same
thing
with
you
know,
mike
kane
is
here
as
well
and
he's
always
been
he's
here
every
year.
As
long
as
serving
member
of
the
city
council,
he
has
come
in
every
year
in
a
spot
to
the
nail
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
sort
of
a
line,
item
opportunity
and
we're
increasing
the
voucher
program.
H
But
it's
it's.
Those
public-private
partnerships
that
we've
created
kate
you've
been
a
participant
in
and
being
able
to
help
revitalize
all
those
units-
and
I
know
the
opera
funds-
are
going
to
go
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
in
a
number
of
different
developments.
So
it's
all
good
stuff.
So
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
in
your
individual
and
collective
capacities
to
put
people
in
homes,
keep
people
in
their
homes
and
find
home
ownership
and
rental
opportunities
for
folks.
B
C
Madam
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here:
let's
see
the
land
audit,
I
don't
expect
that
there's
much
developable
and
the
knowledge
and
brighton
that's
owned
by
the
city.
I
think
we
have
the
public
works
yard
and
they
won't
keep
it
nowhere
else
to
put
that
big
pile
of
salt
so
also
in
terms
of
strategic
property
acquisition,
are
there
particular
potential
acquisitions
in
our
neighborhood,
or
is
that
up
to
us
to
keep
flagging
them
up?
If
we
hear
of
them.
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
it
is
up
to
I
mean
we
don't
we're
not
out
there
tip
bushes.
That's
not
really
true.
I
mean
we.
I
am
checking
listings
every
pretty
much
every
day
and
sending
them
to
for-profits
and
non-profits.
Saying.
Are
you
interested?
This
looks
good.
The
price
looks
good
check
it
out.
So
I
mean
I
do
it
in
an
informal
way,
but
it
typically
it
is
up
to
the
communities
to
to
be
looking
out
always
for
a
good
acquisition
opportunity.
B
I
did
meet
with
john
woods
last
week
and
I
said
john,
you
know:
is
there
nothing
coming
on
the
market
that
that
makes
sense,
and
he
said
there
was
not
because
the
prices
are
so
high
in
austin
brighton,
but
we,
the
money
that
we're
proposing
for
aop,
would
certainly
be.
You
know
we
would
certainly
consider
projects
coming
from
austin
brighton.
C
So
then,
in
terms
of
expiring
use
situation,
how
how
are
we
doing
with
that?
Like
I
know
in
in
brighton
center,
we
have
warren
hall
and-
and
I
think
they're
just
running
the
clock
out
on
that
one
and
their
retail
is
laying
vacant
for
years,
and
everything
is
just
I
I
just
do
we
have
any
leverage
or
do
we
have
any
carrots
and
stick
approach
to
try
and
is
that
is
that
a
possible
acquisition?
Is
that
something
that
that's
worth
looking
at.
B
I
think
it's
I
do
think
it's
worth
looking
at
like
like
my
presentation,
you
know
we
have
taken
450
units
out
of
the
market
and
some
of
those
were
very
very
I
mean
they're
all
important
acquisitions,
but
some
of
them
were,
you
know,
on
the
market,
going
to
change,
hands
and
probably
would
have
meant
a
building
is
emptied
out.
So
I
think
someone
should
approach
the
owner
of
warren
hall.
You
know
we
lost
that
years
ago.
What's
that,
if.
B
C
B
It
keeps
us
up
at
night
rick
and
I
talk
about
it
every
single
morning.
The
opportunity
is
now
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
things
differently
than
yes.
It
is.
It
is
realistic.
We
can
do
this,
but
we're
going
we're
going
to
have
to
do
things
more
quickly
than
we
have
done
in
the
past,
but
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
would
be
a
bad
thing.
Either
we've
got
you
know,
land
to
develop,
we've
got
money
to
spend
and
we've
got
infinite
need.
B
C
And
then
I
was
just
wondering
how
you
know
the
the
mayor,
the
office
of
marriage
office
of
housing
as
the
three
programs
of
the
merit
office
providing
real
estate
management
and
sales
and
housing,
development
and
and
services.
And
then
you
have
the
home,
the
boston
home
center,
neighborhood
housing,
supportive
housing
division
and
housing
stability.
How
do
all
those
different
bits
fit
together
with
within
your
department
and
will
arpa
be
of
any
assistance
to
those.
B
B
The
arpa
funding
will
certainly
help
the
home
center
increase
our
home
buying.
You
know
the
number
of
homeowners
we
have
in
the
city.
Neighborhood
housing
that
oversees
the
affordable
housing
development
would
be
very.
Very
busy.
Rems
would
be
very
busy
real
estate
management
because
they
would
be
selling
a
lot
of
this
land,
much
of
it
hopefully
to
local
developers
that
are
going
to
also
benefit
from
the
economic
activity.
B
C
B
We're
selling
the
vast
majority
of
our
land
for
the
creation
of
affordable
housing
gardens
urban
agriculture,
mostly
community
uses,
occasionally
we'll
sell
a
sliver
to
a
developer.
If
the
community
gives
us
a
nod
and
they're
supportive
of
a
market
rate
development,
but
it's
rare,
we
we
work
with
the
community
on
on
developing
an
rfp.
We
put
the
rfp
out
developers
respond,
we
vet
with
the
community,
but
we
do
sell
those
sites
if
it's
gonna
be
for
affordable
housing
for
nominal
sums,
because
we're
also
subsidizing
construction
is
very
expensive.
These
days,
yeah
yeah.
A
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
everyone.
It's
always
nice
to
see
you
and
I
do
want
to
say
shout
out
to
your
office
and
christine
mccory.
She
walked
me
through
okay,
the
oneplus
boston
and
I
had
a
few
people
on
the
zoom
last
night.
I
think
it
was
their
second
class.
So
that's
wonderful!
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
so
important.
So
a
few
focuses
I
have
questions
on.
Will
we
be
prioritizing
seniors
for
housing
veterans?
Also
when
it
comes
to
these
housing
opportunities
and
buying
options,
we
have.
B
So
I
believe
that
on
these
larger
parcels,
I
would
hope
that
we
will
see
and
we'll
hear
from
communities
that
they
want
senior
housing
as
a
component
of
these
larger
developments,
it's
rare
that
it's,
it's
rare,
that
we
go
out
to
community
and
they're
not
interested
in
taking
care
of
their
seniors
or
having
senior
housing
in
their
neighborhoods.
So
I
would
assume
that
that
we
will
see
the
desire
to
have
more
senior
house,
affordable,
senior
housing
on
these
sites.
Okay,.
I
I
B
So
I
some
of
the
the
sites
that
have
been
set
up
from
the
mass
cass
efforts.
They
they
indeed
are
serving
women
in
recovery.
I
don't
think
specifically,
though,
we've
got
we.
We
have
that
one
category
where
we're
saying
we
need
more
permanent
supportive
housing
for
individuals
that
have
substance
use
disorders,
so
could
that
be
housing
just
for
women?
It
could
be.
I
don't
think
we've
landed
on
that.
So
I'd
love.
You
know
your
thoughts
eventually
on
that
yeah.
B
A
K
K
Alongside
other
colleagues
around
creating
workforce
development,
housing
for
city
employees,
we
filed
a
hearing
order,
we're
really
pushing
to
ensure
that
city
residents
who
are
forced
to
have
residency
can
work
and
stay
here
in
boston
and
a
lot
of
our
a
lot
of
our
city.
Employees
are
having
to
work
two
to
three
jobs,
just
to
be
able
to
work
for
the
city,
and
I
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
here
to
really
look
at
how
we
can
allocate
some
of
that
funding
to
help
support
or
even
create
a
pilot
program.
K
Some
stipends
some
subsidies,
some
housing,
workforce
development,
housing
for
city
employees.
I
think,
would
be
something
worth
looking
into
in
terms
of
just
being
able
to
to
to
support
this
and
just
kind
of
wanted
to
hear
your
thoughts.
You
know
we
have
60
million
on
housing
programs,
including
using
city
owned
land,
to
create
new
housing,
and
I'm
just
curious
what,
if
any
of
those
dollars
can
be
allocated
towards
supporting
city,
employee
housing.
B
So
I
I
have
not
I
mean
like
mentioned
earlier.
We
certainly
want
our
city
of
boston
employees
to
to
partake
in
the
programs
that
we
have
down
payment
assistance,
buying
homes
that
we're
developing.
What
I
haven't
ever
thought
about
it's
funny.
It's
come
up
a
little
bit
in
the
last
week
from
some
outside.
Folks,
too,
is
to
really
look
at.
Can
we
do
set-asides?
B
Can
we
have
a
separate
program
for
I'd
like
to
research
it
and
get
back
to
back
to
you,
and
I
think
I
just
need
to
research
it
before
I
speak
and,
and
maybe
not
know
enough,
but
I'd
be
glad
to
do
that.
It's
a
very
interesting
idea
at
a
minimum,
though,
what
I
really
I
have
heard
over
the
last
several
weeks
is
that
we
need
to
be
much
more
intentional
about
making
sure
that
our
employees
know
what's
available
to
them.
B
Some
folks
think
that
they're,
not
that
they're
not
eligible
for
or
they
don't
know
of,
and
we
need
we
need
to.
We
need
to
fix
that.
So
let
me
research
whether
we
could
have
a
pilot
or
a
set-aside.
I
have
I
mean
someone
mentioned
to
me.
One
because
they
cared
about
city
employees,
of
course,
but
they
also
want
programs,
so
it
helps
recruit
and
retain
so
they
were.
They
were
approaching
it
from
that
that
angle.
So
if
I
could,
let
me
research
and
get
back
to
you.
Thank
you.
K
B
Right
so
we're
what
we're
proposing
is
to
use
at
least
60
million,
and
that
doesn't
include
other
sources
just
we're
just
talking
about
the
arpa
60
million
for
home
ownership
opportunities
down
payment,
one
plus
boston,
the
development
of
new
homes
and
the
the
the
program
to
help
public
housing
tenants
purchase
which
which
kate
outlined
so.
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
some
of
the
other
funding
and
some
of
the
other
line
items
like
developing
large
sites.
We
couldn't
have
home
ownership
there
as
well.
So
I
say
at
least
60
60
million.
B
Yeah
we
I
it's
funny-
I
I
thought
about
that.
This
morning
we
haven't
we,
we
haven't
defined
in
these
programs
levels
of
affordability.
We
often
do
that
work
in
the
community.
We
sit
down
with
them.
We
talk
about
them.
There's
a
lot
of
interest
in
what
that
means.
These
days,
especially
people
know
this,
but
our
amis
are
defined
by
many
cities
and
towns
that
surround
boston
and
they've.
Gotten
extremely
high
and
affordable
housing
isn't
affordable
to
a
whole
lot
of
people.
B
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
more
intentional
with
this
money
and
all
of
our
funding
to
reach
lower
incomes
than
we
have
in
the
past.
So
I
think
we
are
in
our
last
funding
round.
We
did
that.
I
anticipate
that
we're
going
to
do
it
in
our
upcoming
funding
round
as
well
have
a
much
wider
range
of
of
incomes
served.
So,
but
we
haven't
said
in
these
various
buckets:
okay,
so
much
here
so
much
there,
but
it's
something
we
can
certainly
work
with
you
all
in
the
community.
Oh.
K
You
know
conscious,
approve
any
funds
that
it's
not
going
to
support
those
who
are
deeply
impacted,
yes
by
the
affordable
crisis
that
we
find
ourselves
in
right.
So
I
just
want
to
push
for
that
that
we
need
to
define
what
that
looks
like
and
making
sure
that
we
come
back
with
some
understanding
of
what
that
benchmark
is
going
to
look
like
for
for
these
projects.
B
K
K
B
I'll
just
say
what
we're
doing
and
then
I'll
hand
it
over
to
kate,
as
as
I
think
you
know,
we,
we
do
have
a
very
successful
program
right
now.
That
is
helping
many
young
adults
that
are
housing,
insecure
or
homeless,
and
our
in
the
last
census
are
our
homeless
rates
for
between
the
ages
of
I
want
to
say,
18
and
24
really
decrease
because
of
those
efforts.
It's
like
short-term
housing
vouchers,
putting
people
up
in
in
affordable
apartments,
giving
them
stipends
to
live
with
friends
and
others.
B
I
mean
it's
just
been
it's
a
bit
of
very
creative
programs,
and
it's
it's
really
is
it's
working,
it's
showing
that
the
investment
in
this
age
group
it
does
work,
so
we
will
continue
doing
that
we'll
continue
making
funds
available
through
all
of
our
our
homeless
funding.
I
we're
we're
not
necessarily
calling
out
that
age
population
in
this
in
this
artist.
K
I
would
just
encourage
you
to
really
look
at
a
lot
of
these
young
people
haven't
been
able
to
return
to
school
they're
struggling
to
pay
everything
so
they're
again,
if
this
is
supposed
to
be
to
help
people
post
covet
and
beyond,
and
if
we're
really
serious
about
closing
that
wealth
gap.
All
of
these
things
are
interconnected,
and
I
don't
want
my
time
to
to
run
out
without
just
saying
one
more
little
thing
here.
K
K
B
We
do
have
someone
on
call
24
7..
No,
I
mean
we're
we're
on
call
during
the
day,
I'm
always
on
call,
but
during
the
weekends
and
evenings
we
do
contract
out
with
some
very,
very
talented
social
workers
and
have
hotel
contracts,
and
we
always
have
we're
always
putting
families
up
in
those.
So
it
does
seem
to
be
working
well.
But
if
there's
ever,
if
you
ever
think
that
we,
you
know
it
should
be
improved
or
changed
or
whatever
I'd
be
glad
to
hear
that
rick.
B
D
D
There
are
at
community
colleges,
they're
working,
and
so
their
income
is
not
excluded
because
they
don't
meet
the
threshold
of
being
a
full-time
student,
and
so
we
we
haven't,
found
any
flexibility
on
that
issue.
But
we
continue
to
look
at
it
and
open
to
continuing
the
dialogue
and
seeing,
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
on
the
policy
level
within
bha
to
help
to
help
those
kids.
K
K
A
L
L
That's
that's!
That's
a
real
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
putting
families
at
home
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
especially,
you
know
those
families
that
have
lived
in
the
city
of
boston,
for
you
know
a
long
period
of
time,
so
I
would
love
to
to
just
kind
of
dive
into
deeper
into
the
home
ownership
voucher
program.
You
know
more
information
about
the
scada
site
portfolio.
L
You
know
the
when
we're
putting
bha
residents
into
the
home
and
into
homes
like
now
we're
also
freeing
up.
You
know
a
potential
public
housing
and
now
we're
decreasing
that
wait
list.
So
this
is
not
only
benefiting
you
know,
creating
wealth
and
putting
creating
stability
for
that
voucher
holder,
but
we're
we're
tackling
that.
I
believe
there's
eight
thousand
people
on
the
waitlist
can
remember
the
forty.
L
Four
forty
thousand
people
on
the
wait
list.
This
is
this-
will
be
us
really
tackling
that
weightless
issue
that
we're
having
so
yeah.
Can
you
just
dive
in
a
little
bit
deeper
on
the
scatter
site
portfolio
and
the
increased
buying
power
that
you
know,
participants
in
a
in
a
homeownership
voucher
program
will
have.
D
I
do
want
to
say
the
existing
city
voucher
program
really
was
built
to
serve
extremely
low
income
renters
in
the
city
and
we're
not
proposing
to
you
know
we're
proposing
that
the
lion's
share
of
that
program
keep
keep
serving
that
population.
We're
we're
talking
about
adding
an
increment
here
that
would
be
focused
on
that
path
to
home
ownership,
and
we
think
you
know
across
the
three
initiatives
I
outlined
earlier.
We
could
probably
house
at
least
100
bha
families
between
you
know
the
public,
housing
and
section
8
program
through
those
three
initiatives.
D
So
the
condo
portfolio
that
we
own
was
was
created
through
a
a
state-funded
program
in
the
80s,
where
the
bha
purchased
about
150
units
from
private
owners
throughout
the
neighborhoods,
primarily
of
roxbury
and
dorchester,
but
there's
units
in
east,
boston
and
charlestown
and
elsewhere
as
well.
A
few
in
matapan.
D
There
are
small
properties,
they're
duplexes,
they're,
three
to
six
unit
buildings
and
in
some
of
those
cases
we
own
the
entire
building
of
condominiums
and
in
other
cases
we
just
own
like
a
one-off
unit,
in
a
building,
that's
its
own
condo
association
and
in
all
honesty.
This
is
not
a
portfolio
that
is
well
suited
for
ownership
and
management
by
the
bha,
and
it's
not
all
that
well
suited
to
public
housing,
the
public
housing
program.
D
So
we
think
that
these
units,
you
know
at
least
a
pool
of
them-
that
we've
identified
again
about
50
units,
are
really
that
have
moderate
capital
needs
and
that
we
think
could
transition
most
easily
to
home
ownership
in
a
process
where
we're
working
with
the
city.
On
that,
with
with
their
affordable
housing
team,
I
mean
the
home
ownership
team
and
then
I
think,
also
probably
with
some
community
development
corporation
partnerships
where
there's
a
local
entity.
D
That's
you
know
there
to
sort
of
support
and
manage
the
capital
work,
that's
needed
to
bring
the
home
up
to
snuff
so
that
it's
you
know
we're
not
saddling
new
homeowners
with
poor
properties
and
can
kind
of
you
know,
do
the
home
buyer
classes
and
all
of
the
training
and
everything
that's
necessary
to
get
that
family
ready.
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
partnership
we're
talking
about
for
those
for
those
properties.
L
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
when
we're
creating
this
homeownership
voucher
program,
are
we
able
to
create,
like
equity
applicants
or
determine
who
can
be
the
applicant?
Like
you
know,
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
have
mentioned
it
have
mentioned
city
employees
like.
Are
we
able
to
say
this
voucher
program?
L
D
D
I
think
it
it
partly
depends
what
population
we're
trying
to
serve
clearly
we're
trying
to
address
the
racial
equity
gap
with
home
ownership
as
well,
and
so
you
know,
I
just
think
it's
it's
going
to
take
us
processing
it
a
bit
to
figure
out
what
that
what
that
right
policy
is
and
what
the
sweet
spot
is
for.
You
know
how
we're
targeting
those
those
vouchers.
L
D
B
B
We
we
really
believe
it's
baked
into
this
arpa
proposal,
so
we
are
going
back
and
forth
on
the
I
was
looking
at
the
renovation
cost
that
they've
estimated.
So
I
think
we
have
to
go
back
and
forth,
but
I
think
we
are
all
very
excited
about
this,
this
proposal
and
so
whether
it's
six
and
a
half
or
nine
point
two,
I
think
you
know
we-
these
are
estimates
so,
but
we're
very
committed
to
to
having
the
bha
program
baked
into
the
the
home
ownership
number
overall.
L
D
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
administration
for
being
here
and
for
all
of
the
incredible
work
that
you
do.
I
just
want
to
put
a
pin
in
something
you
said:
chief
dylan,
you
know,
I'm
a
master,
maha,
master's,
affordable
housing
alliance,
graduate
disciple
and
think
the
work
they've
been
doing
is
great.
M
When
you
mentioned
doing
more
digging
into
the
state
of
lending,
I
would
love
for
you
to
share
that
information
once
you
get
it
from
tom
with
the
council
and
I'd
also
be
very
curious
to
know
if
we
can
have
breakdowns
right,
because
the
issue
is
there's
been,
there's
not
been
not
enough
lending
happening
and
not
enough
lending
in
communities
of
color
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
discrimination
and
racism
rearing
its
head
in
a
lot
of
the
home
buying
process,
and
so
I'd
love
to
see.
If
we
have
demographic
data
breakdown
on
the.
B
B
I
agree
so
when
I
get
that
data,
I
will
share
it
widely.
I
you
know,
I
think,
we're
I
think
in
the
collective
we're
all.
We
all
want
the
right
things
to
happen
in
boston,
but
sometimes
I
feel
like
there's
not
a
the
table
isn't
big
enough,
and
so
the
bankers
need
to
be
at
the
table
as
well.
I
mean
so.
We
really
do
need
folks
that
are
controlling
a
lot
of
the
the
strings
to
home
ownership
and
a
lot
of
other
things
to
be
at
the
table
and
make
commitments.
M
It
was
born
out
of
a
hearing
order
that
we
had,
that
was
co-sponsored
by
councillor
fernandez,
anderson
and
councilworld,
really
looking
at
the
difficulties
that
folks
returning
home
from
incarceration
face
and
how
we
can
really
stem
the
tide
of
the
policy
harms
that
really
have
led
them
to
the
to
incarceration
in
the
first
place
right
over
policing
or
racism
in
our
justice
system,
the
lack
of
opportunities
and
choice,
and
so
on
the
back
end.
We're
talking
about
using
coping
relief
funds
and
doing
it
very
intentionally
and
doing
it
equitably.
M
Returning
citizens
formerly
incarcerated
folks
seems
to
be
a
good
place
for
us
to
do
that.
Work
and
so
my
hope,
with
arpa
funds,
is
to
see
our
if
we're
able
to
allocate
a
portion
of
the
funds-
a
million
two
million
to
exploring
a
a
pilot,
whether
that
be
in
partnership
with
worker
force
development-
and
this
is
you
know,
it's
a
conversation
that
I've
had
with
councillor
baker
about
you
know,
opportunities
in
council,
laurel's
district.
M
I
think
there
are
opportunities
there
and
I
think
that
this
money,
you
know-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these
programs
are
great
right.
The
problem
is
that,
where
do
you
it's
all
about,
like
you
know
it's
where
do
you
take
from,
but
I
think
that
that
is
an
important
for
us
to
center
the
the
needs
that
we
have
for
our
returning
citizen
population
here
who
also
came
and
have
testified
before
city
council
about
that
need.
I
do
want
to
shout
out
kate
and
jill
and
everyone
at
bha.
M
I've
been
doing
incredible
work
with
something
that
I
also
support.
More
of
the
city-based
voucher
programs
and
allocating
more
of
those
to
to
the
returning
citizen,
population
and
working
in
partnership
with
justice
for
housing.
That's
been
doing
incredible
work
here
and
I
think
you
know
I
understand
that
there
may
be
some
difficulty
in
allocating
arpa
funds
for
voucher
programs,
although
it
looks
like
we're
doing
it
on
the
home
ownership
on
the
home
ownership
side,
so
I
mean.
Could
we
potentially
also
do
that
here.
B
So
I'll
defer
to
kate,
I
mean
the
the
arpa
funding
and
when
you,
when
you
think
about
a
program
to
assist
those
the
returning
citizens,
do
you
see
it
as
a
we're
gonna
help
you
pay
your
rent
for
some
period
of
time,
while
you,
you
know,
get
employment,
support
and
other
supports
that
you
need,
because
I
think
the
the
issue
with
art
using
opera
funding
for
vouchers
is
that
it's
it's
time
limited
right.
So
it's
like
one
time,
yeah.
N
B
M
M
D
Let
me
just
respond
with
a
couple
of
points:
counselor
in
terms
of
the
city
voucher
program,
the
the
arpa
funds
that
are
proposed
are
really
for
joining
down
payment
assistance
with
the
city
voucher
program.
So
it's
really
on
the
cat,
city's
capital
budget
and
and
other
funding
sources
that
are
are
proposed
to
fund
the
vouchers
themselves.
D
D
D
M
Thank
you
and
I
also
support
us
supporting
nonprofits
that
are
doing
the
work
like
justice
for
housing.
Like
all
the
way.
I
just
also
think
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
specific
allocations,
because
part
of
the
reason-
and
you
know
we
talked
about
this
with
your
team-
is
the
discrimination
that
rich,
you
know,
formerly
incarcerated,
folks
face
in
the
housing
process
itself.
M
That's
why
more
so
than
I
think
any
other
population,
and
so
that's
you
know
we
could
talk
about
that
offline
debate,
but
that's
why
I
think,
having
a
specific
allocation
for
a
pilot
program
for
returning
citizens,
in
addition
to
supporting
the
great
work
of
nonprofits
right,
there's,
there's
just
housing,
there's
new
beginning
reentry
services.
There
are
really
great
organizations
in
our
communities
that
are
doing
the
work.
M
B
K
M
O
B
P
Yeah
hi
we've
been
working
really
closely
with
the
city-wide
land
trust
association
on
getting
them.
Those
funds
we're
just
hammering
out
some
details
of
related
to
harper
requirements
to
make
sure
that
they
can
fully
leverage
it
to
see
the
kind
of
development
and
acquisitions
that
they're
hoping
to
do
so.
P
M
B
B
We
encourage
everyone
to
buy
buildings
in
their
neighborhood
everybody.
I
do
think
that
some
of
the
organizations
in
very
very
high
cost
areas
are
struggling
are
struggling
more,
although
we
are
being
recognizing
that
we
do
want
buildings
taken
out
of
the
market
in
chinatown
and
back
bay,
and
you
know,
and
certainly
around
nubian,
et
cetera,
which
is
becoming
more
and
more
expensive.
P
I
know
it's
not
always
that
simple,
but
I
really
do
want
to
encourage
people
that
the
goal
of
this
program
is
to
make
it
as
accessible
as
possible
to
keep
people
from
being
displaced,
and
so
we
happily
talk
with
folks
as
frequently
as
we
can
about
engaging
new
buyers
in
the
program.
So
we're
happy
to
talk
to
people.
A
And
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
thanks.
So
much.
Okay,
next
step's
going
to
be
counselor
fernando
sanderson,
then
council
coletta,
then
myself,
then
I
am
going
to
go
to
public
testimony
because
I
know
we've
got
some
people
who've
been
waiting
here
from
the
beginning.
So
just
for
a
flag
for
councillors.
I
don't
think
we
have
too
many,
but
are
just
going
to
take
some
public
testimony
and
then
do
second
round
counselor
fernando
sanderson.
You
have
the
floor.
N
Can
you
so?
I
think
council
mejia
did
speak
about
affordability,
and
I
think
we
do
know
the
numbers,
and
just
for
the
record
I
for
my
district,
I
can
speak
for
my
district.
I
know
that
affordable
and
then
there's
two
facets
of
this
one:
what's
affordable
and
people
that
are
in
my
district
and
how
they're
living
and
as
well
as
what
where
they
should
be
built
right.
N
N
So
as
you
get
older,
people
have
retiring
with
less
money
and
as
you
get
and
the
younger
people
are
making
more
money
so
affordable
or
what
you're?
What
I
think
the
city
is
starting
to
call
deeply
affordable
is
like
30
percent
ami
40
ami,
and
so
that
I
think,
presents
the
issue
where
people
are
for
the
most
part
in
community
meetings
or
housing
processes.
People
are
saying
we
need
affordable,
affordable
rental
in
roxbury
in
d7
and
south
then
bears
some
of
this
too,
because
we,
our
average
income,
is
this
the
issue.
N
There
is
we're
trying
to
house
the
unhoused
and
then
for
us
to,
and
then
we
also
have
this
effort
or
we
want
to
mix
income
communities,
because
we
know
that
we
don't
want
to
perpetuate
the
cycles
of
you
know,
lower
socio-economic
class.
So
we
want
to
mix
incomes.
We
want
to
revitalize
business
areas
and
make
sure
that
there's
mobility
and
opportunity
for
people,
however,
in
my
district
in
particularly
there's
some
moh
owned
or
city
owned
land
that
is
being
proposed
and
roxbury
just
can't-
bear
the
responsibility
of
affordable
rental
any
longer
we're
ready
up
to.
N
N
N
B
I
do,
I
really
do
think
you
can
do
both
and
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
mixed
income
communities
are.
Are
you
know
they're
they're?
Probably
what
we
should
all
be
striving
for.
Roxbury
is
the
housing
stock
is
54.
I've
said
before
here:
it's
54
of
the
housing
stock
in
roxbury
is
deed,
restricted,
affordable
and
beacon.
Hill
is
six
percent.
I'm
not
I'm
sorry,
council
block,
I
just
don't
look
to
you
automatically.
It
didn't
mean
to.
I
know,
you're
working
very,
very
hard
on
some
projects
in
beacon
hill,
I'm
sure.
B
B
B
I
think
we
can
have
mixed
income
in
incomes,
so
I
think
we
can
see.
I
think
we
can.
We
can
realize
a
lot
with
their
development.
I
know
because
I've
seen
some
of
the
results
of
the
land
inventory,
not
all
of
a
large
parcels
or
small
parcels
are
located
in
just
roxbury
or
north
dorchester.
They
really
are
throughout
the
city,
so
I'm
hoping
to
see
a
lot
more
affordable
housing
throughout
the
city,
but
I
think
you
know
we've
had
some
really
interesting
conversations,
especially
around
nubian,
with
all
the
land
development.
Those
conversations
been
really
thoughtful.
B
D
Just
that,
I'm
sorry
if
I
could
just
stand
I
with
through
some
of
our
redevelopment
work
at
bha.
We
are
adding
surplus
units,
I.e,
not
preservation
or
replacement
units,
but
adding
new,
affordable
housing
in
jamaica,
plain
and
and
south
boston,
and
we
also
have
been
planning
a
couple
projects
in
mission
hill.
N
N
N
That's
saying
I
need
affordable
housing,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
in
roxbury
and
then
so.
Roxbury
is
angry
because
they're
saying
whenever
you
can
pull
on
our
heartstrings
about
affordable
affordability,
then
you
give
us
you
the
responsibility
or
we
have
to
bear
the
brunt
of
housing,
the
unhoused,
and
so
I
would
love
to
explore
that
with
you.
I
you
know.
N
Obviously
we
are
coordinating
and
we'd
love
to
look
at
this
inventory
of
empty
lots
or
land
that
you
have
available
throughout
boston,
and
so
we
could
better
coordinate
so
that
we
don't
end
up
back
where
back
here
right.
What,
in
terms
of
your
plan
in
place
for
or
trash
low
threshold
housing,
how
are
you
planning
to
segue
those
people
into
permanent
housing
or
sustainability.
B
B
B
Right
a
lot
most
of
the
I
will
say
most
of
the
people
that
are
in
the
six
sites
that
have
active
substance.
Use
disorders
are
getting
short-term
rental,
so
they're
getting
rental
payments,
we're
going
to
assist
them,
make
their
rental
payments
for
a
year
year
and
a
half,
and
sometimes
if
we
can
renew
what
we
have
found-
and
I
I
should
have
better
data
in
front
of
me-
is
that
a
lot
of
the
folks,
those
folks
can
make
their
way
right.
They
get
into
treatment,
they
get
more
stable
housing
situations,
they
go
home,
which.
B
N
I
think
last
question,
madam
chair:
if
it's
okay
with
you,
I'm
being
indulgent
today,
go
ahead,
I'm
I'm
following
my
colleagues
footsteps.
Sorry
I
yeah,
so
I
guess
I
guess
you
know
in
terms
of
like
sustainability,
the
question
I
you
know
this
begs
a
question
of
like
could.
Could
this
be
seen
as
systemically
racist?
B
I
think
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
the
and
I
can
certainly
would
like
to
know
more
of
the
housing
needs
of
returning
citizens.
I
think
I
I
really
do
need
to
know
more
like
what's
what's
a
successful
program,
look
like
how
long
do
people
need
supports
what
kind
of
supports.
I
think
I
need
some.
I
need.
B
O
There
we
go
I'm
learning
two
weeks
on
the
job,
sorry
that
I'm
like.
I
hope
that
my
questioning
is
not
repetitive,
but
I've
been
trying
to
listen
in.
So
just
thank
you
for
your
patience,
if
that's
the
case,
but
I
am
pleased
to
see
the
the
large
investments
to
down
payment
assistance
for
first-time
homebuyers
as
somebody
who
joins
thousands
across
the
city
to
one
day
own
their
own
home.
O
I
am,
I
am
hopeful,
so
thank
you
for
that.
East
boston,
in
particular,
has
beared
a
significant
burden
of
development
in
the
city
for
the
last
five
years,
so
we
do
need
affordable
rental
and
home
ownership
opportunities
that
are
truly
affordable
and
that
reflect
the
ami
of
the
neighborhood.
So
to
me,
this
proposal
is
a
great
start.
O
I
can't
wait
to
see
the
land
inventory
whenever
that
is
ready,
just
so
that
we
could
see
where
the
opportunities
are
to
evolve
and
and
grow
to
the
inclusion
of
folks
that
live
in
the
community,
so
just
diving
into
specific
programs.
I
am
pleased
to
see
the
27
million
to
combat
displacement
through
strategic
property
acquisition.
O
As
you
know,
we're
going
through
a
severe
displacement
crisis
in
east
boston
affecting
predominantly
our
latinx
community,
and
so
this
aop
program
has
been
important
already
in
east
boston.
So
I
love
the
fact
that
it
is
expanding
and
thank
you
to
jessica
for
her
work
on
this
and
thank
you,
councillor
luigen,
for
asking
a
question
around
the
20
million
allocation
from
last
year.
Just
a
point
of
clarification
earlier
in
the
presentation
in
this
proposal
sheila,
you
said
sorry
chief,
that
you're
working
with
the
streets
department
to
identify
at
risk
properties
in
transit
corridors.
B
So
there
are,
there
are
people
in
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
that
are
having
direct
conversations
with
the
streets,
yasha
and
and
his
staff
on
what
the
upcoming
improvements
street
improvements,
rapid,
rapid
bus
lines,
etc.
That
are
significant
and
fearful
that
I
mean
it
shouldn't
be
that
if
you
improve
infrastructure,
rents
go
up
and
desirability
goes
up,
but
it
does
happen.
B
So
we
thought
instead
of
just
saying
this
is
going
to
be
aop,
that's
available
to
every
corner
that
we
would
try
to
be
more
targeted
and
say
we're
going
to
have
impact
on
where
there
has
been
where
there
has
been
recent
investments,
or
we
anticipate
there's
going
to
be
investments
and
you'll
notice.
I
think
in
the
language
too,
we
talked
about
other
infrastructures.
Like
you
know,
green
space
and
walkways
and
east
boston
comes
to
mind.
I
mean
that
the
the
waterfront
is
is
magnificent,
but
it
certainly
it
there.
B
O
Yeah
so
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
so
what
you're
saying
is
you
are
working
with
the
streets
department
to
identify
areas
where
you
need
to
have
mitigation?
That's
correct,
okay,
okay,
that
makes
sense,
and
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
also
happy
to
see
that
you're
being
flexible
with
the
cap
as
well.
I
know
that
this
was
an
issue
that
our
cdc's
have
been
dealing
with
for
a
long
time
is
the
current
cap
still
hundred
one
one
twenty
five,
I.
O
Okay,
just
switching
to
the
program
to
assist
bha
residents
with
purchase
purchasing
a
home.
This
is
creating
a
bridge
where
there's
usually
a
cliff.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
know.
We've
talked
about
those
between
the
50
and
80
ami
range
and
how
they
just
need
that
little
bit
of
help
to
propel
them
towards
home
ownership,
and
this
is
doing
just
that.
So
I
just
want
to
commend
you
kate,
for
this
proposal.
O
Joel
wool,
my
former
colleague
and
dr
taylor,
king
and
also
councillor
warwell,
for
for
putting
this
out,
but
my
question
specifically
on
this
is
what
that
process
will
look
like
if
you
even
know
what
it
looks
like
from
start
to
finish,
for,
I
think
you
said
it
was
100
to
105
families
who
could
benefit
from
this
during
arpa
and
you
know,
would
the
family
have
to
apply?
Would
you
proactively
identify
these
families?
How
would
how
would
that
work.
D
Yes,
so
thanks
counselor
for
that,
we
we
have
identified
families
within
our
portfolio
already,
both
on
the
section
8
and
public
housing
side
that
are
in
that
income
band
above
50,
we've
done
some
surveying
to
gauge
their
interest.
There's
a
lot
of
interest,
as
you
might
imagine,
in
moving
to
home
ownership,
and
the
key
issue
is
definitely
down
payment
assistance,
and
so
you
know
there's
a
few
strands
of
this.
I
think
you
know
once
we
knew
we
had
funding
approval
on
the
city
voucher
program.
D
We
would
hire
somebody
to
begin
to
do
that
outreach
draft
those
policies
we
would
you
know
we
have
an
advisory
committee-
are
ready
for
the
existing
rental
city
voucher
program,
and
we
could
you
know,
look
to
that
committee
or
perhaps
expand
that
committee
to
also
take
on
this
other
initiative.
But
I
think
you
know
it's
really
once
once
the
funding
is
there.
D
We
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
internally
and
at
the
at
the
city
to
kind
of
move
forward.
The
condominium
program,
I
think,
will
take
a
little
longer
because
it's
going
to
require
possibly
special
legislation
or
at
least
state
approvals
that
will
take
a
while,
in
terms
of
their
regulatory
structure,
to
kind
of
release
those
units
from
the
state
public
housing
program.
So
I
would
expect
that
would
be
a
slower
build
over
over
a
maybe
two
to
three
year
period.
O
D
O
Let's
see
remaining
time,
oh,
you
got
two
minutes:
okay,
the
proposal
to
utilize
our
city-owned
assets
to
build
the
one
of
three
families.
I
think
that's
great,
that
you
usually
that
you're
using
the
commonwealth
builder
program
as
with
mass
housing.
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
whether
or
not
you
can
utilize
these
these
arpa
funds
for
deals
already
in
in
construction
or
that
are
in
right,
construction.
B
We
we
have
pledged
that
these
will
be
new
developments
that
don't
have
funding
already
identified
because
mark
maha
really
wants
us
to
be,
but
for
money
like,
if
we
didn't
have
this
arpa
money
set
aside
for
these
new
home
ownership
projects,
they
wouldn't
happen
so,
but
we're
going
to
be
looking
very
closely
at
you
know
how
quickly
our
spend,
because
we
don't
want
to
send
any
of
this
money
back
but
the
so.
The
answer
is
no
for
ones
that
have
already.
I
have
identified
housing
sources.
B
O
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
coletta
and
now
I'm
going
to
ask
my
questions
and
then
I'll
go
to
the
five
folks
who
I
have
signed
up
for
public
testimony,
so
that's
michael
caine
and
barbara
waters,
and
then
hillary
paiser,
minnie,
mcmahon
and
leslie
cradle.
If
anybody
else
signs
up
subsequently
for
public
testimony,
we'll
take
it
again
right
at
the
end,
but
I'm
just
gonna
take
those
five
after
my
go
all
right
and
I'll,
give
myself
a
timer
so
that
we're
not
way
out
of
control
here.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
to
the
team,
obviously
lots
of
stuff,
that's
dear
to
my
heart
and
the
vha
stuff
things
that
I
imagined
I
would
be
working
on
if
I
had
a
different
life
right
now,
so
I'm
grateful
to
everyone
sitting
up
in
the
gallery
there,
joel
nick
taylor
and
david
who's,
probably
watching
in
the
ether
I
was
on
the
on
the
bha
front
within.
If
we,
if
we
talk
about
that
eight
million
sheila,
can
you
help
me
understand
sort
of
within
the
60?
A
B
How
should
I
I
don't-
I
mean
we,
the
15
was
for
down
payment,
assistance
and,
and
one
plus
boston,
so
some
of
the
bha
enhanced
down
payment
for
their
bha
program
would
come
out
of
that
bucket
when
the
bha
is
says
that
I
believe
them
when
they,
when
they
identified
that
they
had
this
the
condominium
resource
but
need
funding
to
renovate
them.
That
would
that
would
certainly
be
coming
out
of
the
the
45
million
that
we've
almost
arbitrarily
are.
You
know.
B
Identified
or
designated
for
more
construction
type
activities,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
get
some
commonwealth
builder
money
for
this
program
and
for
the
condominium
development,
then
maybe
that
number
would
the
8
million
the
bha
is
putting
forth
might
even
come
down.
So
I
think
we
need
to.
I
think
we
understand
the
down
payment
and
the
one
plus
boston
component.
I
think
where
we
we
need
to
do
additional
work
is
to
understand
the
actual
cost
to
renovate
the
condominiums
kate.
Would
you
agree
with
that?
Yeah,
okay,.
A
Great
and-
and
I
would
just
stress
just
to
put
it
on
the
record-
I
know
it's-
the
intention
is
that
the
intention
of
this
would
not
be
to
lose
any
net
state
public
housing
units
but
to
but
to
have
a
agreement
with
the
state
where
we
added
public
housing
in
a
two
capacity
way.
That
would
work
and
then
turn
these
into
home
ownership
because
they're
better
suited
to
it.
Yeah.
D
That's
the
state
law,
and
so
unless
we
were
going
to
seek
an
exception
to
that
to
to
allow
for
some
of
these
units
to
transition
over
from
public
housing
to
affordable
home
ownership,
we
would
need
to
replace
them
and
that's
the
first
desire
to
do
that.
It's
it's
possible
at
some
point.
We
will
propose
also
to
convert
some.
A
Right-
and
I
just
think
I
mean,
as
you
know,
I
think
that
there's
a
number
of
places
that
we
could
add
more
public
housing
units
which
transitions
to
my
next
point,
slash
question
which
is,
of
course
again
sheila.
This
idea
that,
when
we're
talking
about
the
30
million
and
developing
housing
on
public
land,
making
sure
that
we're
really
thinking
about
how
to
leverage
the
fair
cloth
resource
to
buy
down
affordability
of
some
of
that,
I
I
mean
I
do
really
want
low
income
housing
in
beacon
hill.
A
B
We
are,
in
total
agreement,
you'll,
be
happy
to
know
that
we're
now
meeting
every
other
week
on
fair
cloth
internally
for
for
people
in
the
audience
that
don't
know
what
fair
cloth
is.
It's
a
it's.
It's
a
actually,
I
want
to
explain
it
well,
but
it
will
provide
a
it
will
provide
a
subsidy
and
almost
new
public
housing
units
in
in
some
of
the
larger
developments
that
we're
contemplating.
B
I
think
when
we
put
out
the
rfp
for
the
for
the
properties
for
the
land,
we
actually
almost
need
to
require
the
use
of
fair
cloth
for
some
of
the
buildings.
There's
been
some
hesitancy
because
it
doesn't
pay
quite
as
well
as
a
section,
a
project-based
et
cetera.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
to
now
require
it.
A
And
I
think
that
the
the
path
of
getting
it
to
be
new
public
housing
to
rad
has
made
it
much
more
viable,
but
I
feel
like
our
folks
are
just
like
the
potential
developers
out
there,
even
in
the
nonprofit
space
are
just
unfamiliar
with
that.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
hesitancy.
I
agree
that
we
have.
G
H
A
Help
folks
over,
we
will
follow
up
with
on
the
request
from
counselor
legion,
about
the
sort
of
aop
spending
to
date
pipeline.
Obviously,
the
council
was
very
proud
to
appropriate
that
money
and
the
clt
money.
My
office
counselor
legion,
has
been
carefully
tracking
the
2
million
for
the
clts
and
I'd
share
some
frustration
again.
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
put
it
on
these
folks.
I
think
the
arpa
regs
sort
of
change-
slash
were
clarified
like
right
around
the
time
that
the
money
would
have
been
transferred.
Otherwise
and
so
they've
been
trying
to
work
within
that.
A
But
I
just
want
to
stress
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
get
that
out.
Fortunately,
because
it's
arpa
money
and
not
budget
money,
it's
not
turning
into
a
pumpkin
on
the
30th
of
june,
so
it's
still
there
for
our
clts
to
use.
But
we
just
know
the
need
is
so
great.
So
we'll
follow
up
on
that.
I
think
on
the
question
about
workforce
housing
for
city
workers,
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
for
the
council
if-
and
I
don't
know-
sheila
if
this
is
sort
of
an
ask
for
your
office.
A
I
think
that
the
teachers
have
a
good
program,
but
I
think
a
bunch
of
other
folks
don't,
and
so
I
just
think
I
think,
actually
that's
where
we've
gone
before,
to
help
try
to
solve
this
problem.
When
it's
been
a
problem
in
the
past,
and
it
feels
like
to
counselor
mejia's
point
of
a
like
a
pilot.
I
think
something
where
we
could
build
on
these
programs
that
are
open
to
all.
A
But
the
city
worker
is
going
to
be
able
to
bring
some
resource
where
we've
partnered
with
the
union
in
the
same
way
that,
like
the
bha
folks
here,
are
going
to
build
on
our
existing
programs,
but
because
they're
bha
tenants
they're
going
to
get
this
sort
of
additional
bump
of
of
down
payment
assistance.
Like
it
just
it
feels
to
me
like,
especially
with
the
interest
rate
market
being
where
it
is.
We
need
like
everything
to
be
additive
right
now,
right.
B
A
A
I
just
feel
like
it's
a
little
bit
too
well
kept
of
a
secret,
maybe
even
from
some
union
members
in
terms
of
like
whether
people
are
aware-
and
it
might
also
be
a
place
for
advocacy
and
conversation
for
the
council
with
the
unions.
Like
oh
we're,
hearing
that
you
know
these
members
of
yours
can't
really
access
that
because
of
xyz
conditions
is
there
a
way
we
can
open
that
up?
I
just
think
that
that
might
be
a
path
to
follow
on
this
on
the
green
housing.
A
We've
put
a
really
big
onus
on
our
building
owners
to
figure
out
how
to
do
deep,
green
retrofits
and
it's
great
and
it's
critical
from
a
client
perspective,
and
we
think
that
our
market
rate
owners
can
plan
and
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
I
think
with
our
affordable
housing
stock,
it's
obviously
a
stress
for
everyone
to
fit
into
their
budgets
and
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
do
that.
A
So,
as
you
know,
chief
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
stressing
on
this
money
is
that
like
it
will
all
be
spent
in
the
end,
but
then
there
need
to
be
things
that
are
lasting
and
where
it's
a
program
thing
when
you
build
something,
you
know
you're
building
something
that's
going
to
be
lasting
when
you,
when
you're
doing
a
program
thing,
it
needs
to
be
like
how
is
it
participating
in
a
systemic
solution?
So
I
guess
to
that
end,
what
I'm
curious
about
with
the
green
building
is
like.
A
A
This
is
the
sort
of
like
kit
of
parts
that
we
need
to
do
an
effective
green
retrofit
at
a
at
an
affordable
price,
or
at
least
we
know
how
much
it
is
per
unit
and
have
we
how
much
have
we
talked
with
kind
of
the
the
broader
community
about
like
potential
sort
of
areas
we
need
to
solve.
For
so
I'll
give
an
example,
I
know
that
lydia
lowe's
involved
in
this
chinatown,
it's
like
chinatown
and
power
or
something,
but
I
have
the
title
wrong.
A
That's
focused
on
a
micro
grid,
solution
and
they're,
trying
to
think
about
starting
out
with
some
affordable
housing
in
both
the
townhouses
and
maybe
castle
square
and
stuff
in
chinatown.
But
what
they
were
saying
is
that
in
all
the
state,
subsidy
programs,
what
it
doesn't
really
help
you
solve
for
are
the
batteries
to
like
hold
the
energy
so
that
you
can
use
it
at
the
off
peak
times,
and
so
they
were
like.
Could
the
city
potentially
step
in
and
support
that
gap?
And
so
I
just
feel
like.
We
really
know,
we've
all
kind
of
done.
A
B
P
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
the
questions
you
know,
I
I
don't
have
the
whole
answer
in
part,
because
we
really
want
to
have
this
conversation
with
council
today
to
understand
your
perspective
and
your
interests,
but
I
think
a
couple
of
thoughts,
first,
that
this
is
really
a
deep
green
retrofit
program
right.
It's
not
just
a
standard,
let's
try
to
make
buildings
greener,
but
it's
really,
let's
invest
in
projects
that
are
going
to
become
zero
emissions
projects,
and
so
it's
very
focused
on
that
end.
P
So
one,
I
hope,
that's
part
of
the
key.
I
also
hope
that
part
of
the
key
is
that
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
that
that
that
my
team
and
others
at
the
mayor's
office
of
housing
have
been
doing
with
the
environment
department
and
really
walking
in
lockstep,
seeing
housing
buildings
as
as
a
potential
to
be
a
precedent
setter
for
all
different
kinds
of
buildings,
market
rate
housing,
but
also
non-residential
buildings
across
the
city
on
how
to
reach
zero
emissions
targets.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
jessica
yeah.
I
just.
I
really
think
that
the
more
as
we
do
this,
we
can
just
make
sure
that
we're
really
we're
really
documenting
it
in
a
way
that
lets
it
become
reproducible
because
20
million
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket
compared
to
our
retrofit
needs.
It's
only
not
a
drop
in
a
bucket
in
the
bucket
if
it
lays
our
pathway
for
how
to
do
it
with
all
the
other
thousands
of
units
that
are
going
to
need
it.
B
A
The
piece
counselor
louis
jen
was
referencing
that
the
bha
is
doing,
because
I
am
interested
in
the
question
of
how
we
grow
that,
because
my
my
angst
about
just
kind
of
increasing
support
for
navigators
and
stuff
is
in
the
end.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
people
need
a
unit
to
move
into
and
my
sense
from
the
community.
Every
time
I've
talked
to
folks
in
the
returning
citizens
community.
Is
that
that's
the
rub
so
joel?
Can
you
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
the
bha
is
doing.
Q
Or
thank
you,
joel
chief
of
staff
for
the
bha
thanks
chair
bach
and
members
of
the
council.
The
bha
has
for
the
city
voucher,
which
is
funded
for
the
operating
budget.
The
vha
has
several
referral
paths
for
different
populations
that
may
face
extreme
needs
or
be
ineligible
for
federal,
section,
8
vouchers
and
again
I
want
to
thank
the
city
rent
subsidy
coalition
that
helped
advocate
for
this
program.
Q
Q
So
essentially
we
have
been
taking
a
small
amount
of
referrals
from
that
non-profit,
which
is
led
by
a
formerly
incarcerated
persons
or
a
person,
and
which
has
sort
of
deep
ties
in
the
community,
and
they
have
partnered
on
some
of
the
direct
support
for
the
people
they
think
will
otherwise
qualify
and
then
helping
folks
as
well
with
sort
of
housing
search.
So
the
scale
of
that
pilot
is
very
small,
like
15
vouchers
of
of
the
city
voucher
pool.
I
think
we
can
generally
say.
Excuse
me.
Q
With
the
cycle
of
the
federal
budget,
I
think
we
would
likely
be
looking
at
some
amount
of
section
8
vouchers
going
to
that
population
as
well.
I
think
there's
a
number
of
questions,
but
we
started
it
small
based
on
you
know
the
group
reached
out
to
us
and
I'm
in
conversation
with
administrator
bennett
and
our
chief
of
leased
housing.
We
felt
like
we
could
incorporate
that
as
one
of
the
referral
pathways
where
we
could
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
and
and
attentive
to
the
to
the
referral
path.
Q
Excuse
me
to
make
that
to
make
the
voucher
process,
which
is
heavy
on
the
federal
side,
with
documentation
to
make
it
easier
for
folks
to
get
in
they
do.
It
is
mobile
vouchers.
People
do
still
need
to
find
landlords
who
are
willing
to
rent
to
people
with
quarries.
I
think,
for
the
bha's
part
we
see
value
in
the
partnership
and
that
there
is
an
advocate
who's,
helping
the
tenant
and
applicant
as
well
as
helping
to
identify
landlords
that
may
be
so
willing.
Q
A
Think
that's
my
time
and
we
should
go
to
public
testimony,
but
thank
you.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
just
think
I
think
that
in
a
number
of
ways,
what
this
has
underscored
is
that
both
when
we're
talking
about
you
know
those
vouchers
for
returning
citizens.
I
think
when
we
talk
about
the
potential
to
do
project-basing
of
the
city
vouchers
to
help
buy
down
affordability
of
like
idp
units
tax
credit
units,
which
is
just
it's
another,
it's
another
resource
alongside
fair
cloth.
A
Of
course,
the
difference
is
fair
cloth
we
get
from
the
feds
and
this
we
have
to
provide
ourselves.
But
and
then
I
think
when
you
think
about
the
parallel
idea
of
of
city
home
ownership,
vouchers,
there's
clearly
appetite
on
the
council
side
to
growing
the
city
supported
voucher
resources,
which
I
recognize
as
a
you
know.
It
is
a
decision
that
has
to
extend
beyond
arpa,
but
I
think
that's
what
you're
hearing,
or
at
least
what
I'm
hearing.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
to
those
five
public
testimony.
A
A
E
Four,
I
was
told
that
that
would
be
great
okay.
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
patience,
everyone,
I'm
michael
kane,
I'm
the
director
of
the
mass
alliance
of
hud
tenants.
We
organize
tenants
in
privately
owned,
hud
or
mass
housing
subsidized
housing
developments
to
save
their
homes,
because
they're
at
risk
of
conversion
to
the
market
we've
saved
about
12
600
since
1983.,
including
several
and
resident
owned
developments.
E
You've
heard
some
people
refer
to
it
here,
it's
a
very
flexible
way
to
meet
the
needs
of
extremely
low
income
people
the
need
the
greatest
need
in
the
city
is
for
extremely
low
income,
renters,
whose
incomes
are
below
24
25
000
a
year
for
a
family.
That's
the
majority
of
low-income
renters
who
need
housing
in
the
city.
The
mayor's
housing
report
identified
21
000
people
like
that
that
was
before
covid
that
needed
housing
by
2030
and
that
doesn't
even
include
the
thousands
that
are
still
homeless
today.
E
So
without
low
income
rental
subsidies,
you
just
can't
serve
that
population.
Now
the
arpa
the
topic
today.
I
think
the
city's
come
up
with
some
very
creative
capital
subsidy
ideas,
programs
that,
because
this
is
a
one-time
resource
that
should
be
targeted
carefully
for
one-time
needs
to
make
affordable
housing
mixed
income,
housing
feasible.
E
It's
similar
in
that
respect
to
the
idp
linkage,
low
income,
housing,
tax,
credit,
home
and
cdbg
program
say
all
are
best
suited
for
capital
subsidies
to
bring
down
the
costs
to
make
them
more
affordable
to
the
future,
renters
or
owners,
but
in
for
rental
housing
you
need
a
deeper
subsidy,
because
that
won't
be
enough.
You
just
can't
get
you
could
give
the
buildings
away
and
use
the
low-income
renters
still
would
not
be
able
to
pay
the
operating
costs
in
rental
housing.
E
So
there
needs
to
be
an
operating
subsidy
for
them
to
make
it
work
and
that's
what
this
low
city
rent
subsidy
program
is
accomplishing.
Now,
obviously,
you
can
have
federal
state
and
city
resources.
We
fight
for
more
federal
money.
All
the
time
we've
been,
I
was
on
a
call
today
fighting
for
more
mrvp
money,
which
is
the
state
subsidy,
but
we
came
to
the
city
because
the
crisis
is
so
deep,
it's
so
big
and
vast
that
there
need
to
be
additional
resources.
E
We
point
it
to
the
city
of
washington
dc,
which
has
a
city
rent
subsidy
program
that
serves,
I
think
it's
45
million
is
less.
I
heard
a
million
per
year
serving
thousands.
I
think
it's
four
and
a
half
thousand
low
income
renters
in
that
city
comparable
size,
so
they
can
do
it.
Why
can't
we-
and
we
persuaded
mayor
walsh,
to
create
a
five
million
dollar
pilot
out
of
the
regular
city
budget
out
of
the
regular
city
budget
and
they
committed
to
doing
it
on
a
permanent.
E
E
So
those
subsidies
are
expensive,
but
the
city
is
going
to
replace
those
with
federal
money
down
the
road
for
anybody
that
is
eligible.
But
the
program
can
assist
people
that
aren't
eligible
for
federal
subsidies,
such
as
undocumented
immigrants
or
such
as
difficult
to
house,
formerly
incarcerated
people,
so
that's
what
they
are
doing
with
it.
E
Those
are
great
flexible
uses,
but
in
the
long
run
that
money
should
be
targeted
if
it
can
to
mixed
income
permanent
housing
to
bring
the
moderate
income
units
that
are
tax,
credit
or
idp
funded
down
to
be
affordable
to
truly
truly
affordable.
The
people
that
need
it,
the
extremely
low
income
renters,
so
that
we
we're
going
to
work
with
the
city
to
better
target
that
money
to
new
construction
to
the
idp
units
that
are
in
the
pipeline.
E
A
A
E
R
Hi,
my
name
is
barbara
waters.
I
am
from
the
south
end.
I
attend
saint
paul
african
methodist
episcopal
church
in
cambridge
massachusetts.
My
church
is
a
part
of
the
greater
boston
interfaith
organization
known
as
gbio,
and
I
stand
and
come
here
today.
I
just
came
to
come
here
today.
I
did
not
come
to
talk
up
here,
but
in
terms
of
how
I
got
here,
I'm
here
listening
to
what
was
said
from
the
mayor's
office
and
what
has
been
said
from
the
city
council.
R
R
So
I
just
stand
here
to
ask
that
you
do
vote
and
then,
however,
the
money
needs
to
get
out,
it's
given
their
peak.
There
are
things
that,
as
was
discussed
here,
there
are
some
that
need
band-aids.
There
are
some
that
need
patches,
there's
some
that
we
can
help
work
on
terms
in
every
area
and
this
there's
enough
ideas
flowing
around
here
for
once
the
money
is
passed
and
those
decisions
that
we
can
work
on,
doing
it
and
jessica.
R
I
heard
you
say
passionately
that
oh
come
in,
there's
things
that
we
can
help
do
and
such,
and
I
personally
will
call
you
and
find
out
more
about
what
you're
saying
and
just
a
little
bit
about
me
is
that
I
live
currently
live
in
the
south
end.
I
grew
up
in
the
south
end.
I
have
seen
the
regentification.
R
I
have
seen
the
changes.
I
have
seen
the
signs
that
have
gone
throughout
the
city
of
boston
at
various
times,
luxury
condos,
you.
I
don't
hear
anything
about
affordable
housing
on
paper
on
on
signs
and
that
and
when
we're
talking
about,
can
we
get
this?
Can
we
get
that
I'm
hearing
how
the
most
neediest
of
the
of
anybody
they
have
the
most
barriers
and
the
hoops
and
loops
to
jump
through
and
in
our
congregations
and
in
our
institutions
and
with
statewide
in
terms
of
who
makes
up
gbio
our
membership
and
congregation
live
in
the
boston?
R
R
Gee
but
one
thing
I
would
and
she's
not
present,
but
when
I
heard
this
council
person
when
I
heard
her
say
not
to
come
to
roxbury
or
whatever
the
piece
I
had
to
say
to
myself.
That
is
the
first
time
I've
heard
you
know
in
terms
of
putting
in
something
coming
from
roxbury
saying
not
in
my
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you
so
much
barbara
and
thanks
to
gbio
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
going
now
to
hillary
puzzler
online
and
then
it'll
be
minnie,
mcmahon
and
then
leslie
creedle
and
then
we'll
go
back
to
counselors
and
yeah.
Like
I
said,
I
sort
of
start,
I've
been
very
indulgent,
but
if
folks
can
try
to
keep
it
more
in
that
kind
of
two
to
three
minute
space,
it
would
be
helpful.
Hillary.
S
All
right,
as
stated,
my
name
is
hilary
piser.
I
am
representing
the
massachusetts,
affordable
housing
alliance
from
dorchester
or
maha,
and
I'm
just
here
on
behalf
of
our
members.
We've
graduated
over
5
000
people
who
want
to
be
first-time
homebuyers,
most
of
them
from
boston,
most
of
them
people
of
color
who
would
like
to
stay
in
the
city.
S
I
would
love
to
work
with
the
council
and
the
other
folks
here
to
make
that
happen
and
possibly
then
pair
it
with
the
vouchers
for
even
more
affordability,
so
again,
really
happy
to
hear
everything.
That's
being
said,
and
maha
membership
is
really
engaged
in
this.
We
spent
the
last
year
and
a
half
working
on
it
and
we
would
love
to
continue
that
involvement.
A
T
I
live
in
dorchester
and
I'm
representing
dudley
street
neighborhood
initiative
and
the
greater
boston
community,
land
trust
network
and,
as
many
of
you
know,
something
we
pay
attention
to
is
a
problem
of
displacement
and
how
existing
housing
is
quickly,
being
lost
to
investors
and
speculators,
and
so
by
acquiring
and
attaching
long-term
affordability.
Restrictions
to
existing
units.
T
Boston
organizations
like
community
land
trust
like
cdc's,
can
ensure
that
many
more
residents
are
stably
housed
for
the
long
term,
and
I
want
to
say
today
that
aop
has
been
a
very
supportive
program
for
boston's
community
land
trust,
so
much
so
that
we
are
working
on
developing
and
advocating
for
a
statewide
program.
That's
based
off
of
aop
uses
aop
as
a
model,
and
we
do
need
ongoing
and
further
city
investment
in
acquisition
and
long-term
preservation.
T
Increasing
the
cap
to
200
000
per
unit
on
average
acquisition
and
rehab
is
still
more
cost
effective
than
new
construction.
And
again,
we
are
looking
to
the
state
for
more
support
and
then,
lastly,
on
aop,
I
don't
know
how
we
do
this,
but
we
don't
want
to
see
large
projects
siphoning
off
the
support
for
smaller
projects
that
face
so
many
obstacles
to
funding.
So
that's
something
to
you
know,
keep
working
on
together
separately,
going
past
aop
asking
for
a
dedicated
expenditure
to
community
community
land
trust
year
after
year.
T
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
minnie,
I'm
sorry
for
butchering
your
last
name.
I
should
know
it
by
now:
okay,
leslie
cradle
you're
up
next
and
then
we're
gonna
go
back
to
counselors
and
I'll
just
say
to
counselors.
Since
I
know
that
many
folks
are
trying
to
get
to
the
pride
launch
that
the
city
is
having
shortly,
we
will
just
try
to
do
six
minute
like
second
round
just
for
anybody
who
has
them.
Okay,
so
leslie.
G
Hi,
thank
you,
everybody
for
having
me
glad
I
made
it.
I'm
leslie
credo,
founder,
executive
director
of
justice
for
housing.
We
recently
partnered,
as
joel
mentioned,
with
the
boston
housing
authority
for
the
stabilization
reintegration
pilot
program,
which
is
now
we
dropped
a
p.
It's
now
a
program,
so
it'll
be
an
annual
program
every
year
for
returning
citizens,
I
saw
a
need
and
a
gap
that
was
being
unmet.
G
G
What
we
have
done
here
is
created
a
model
that
is
holistic
in
nature
through
partnering,
with
social
determinants
of
health
organizations
like
whittier
street
and
dorchester
bay,
all
kind
of
financial
wealth
building
organizations
like
the
city
of
boston
office
of
financial,
financial,
empowerment,
one
of
the
other
barriers
that
we
saw
from
re-entry.
Not
only
was
it
the
quarry,
it
was
also
a
credit
credit
barrier
which
the
pilot
program
stabilizes.
G
G
It
reinvests
wealth
back
into
black
communities,
stabilizing
against
certification
and
addressing
the
wealth
disparities
by
transforming
our
neighborhoods,
creating
generational
wealth
that
will
remain
in
the
black
community
by
closing
boston's
ratio,
wealth
gap
and
creating
stronger
family
units,
and
the
goal
of
the
sharp
program
is
to
create
home.
Ownership
is
18
month
case
management
with
financial
literacy
to
get
their
credit
scores
up
so
they're
ready
for
that
home
ownership
transition,
which
right
now
is
being
developed,
we're
hoping
to
partner
with
maha
and
our
organizations
like
urban
edge
and
developers
right.
G
One
of
gcf
is
requirements
for
for
a
return.
Family
reunification
is
for
stabilized
in
permanent
housing.
When
you
come
home
from
incarceration,
you
don't
have
that,
and
so
we
have
been
successful
in
not
only
housing,
individuals
returning
children
to
their
parents
where
they
belong,
and
that's
one
of
my
pet
peeves.
G
G
Of
course,
these
are
the
resources
that
formerly
incarcerated
people
returning
community
don't
have,
and
so
we
need
to
cover
those
costs
to
be
in
order
for
them
to
get
into
the
units.
We
have
developed
relationships
with
corey,
friendly
landlords,
corey
friendly
real
estate
brokers,
so
we've
gotten
over
the
barrier
of
housing
people
through
the
quarries.
Now
our
barrier
is
getting
to
the
state
and
city
agencies
where
we
haven't
had
any
any
any
any
progress
in
getting
through
that
door.
G
It's
it's
kind
of
been
hard
for
us
to
get
the
office
of
department
of
housing
and
community
development
to
sit
down
with
us
or
the
mayor's
office
to
sit
down
with
us
and
and
see
how
we
can
continue
to
create
homeowners
who
are
directly
affected
right
and,
and
one
of
the
the
successes
we
have
had
is
lowering
their
seriousness
away.
Parole
and
probation
violations
are
going
down.
So
you
know
the
the
impact
that
we
are
having
on
our
community
is
remarkable
and
only
a
two-year-old
organization,
I
think
is.
G
We
were
invited
last
week
to
the
office
of
the
white
house
about
our
policies
and
our
programs
to
speak
on
the
the
president's
new
racial
equity
bill
of
rights.
We
were
invited
by
hud,
joe,
who
and
boston
housing
to
use
the
sharp
program
as
a
model
for
the
country,
so
our
successes
speak
for
itself.
G
A
F
C
Chair,
I
had
a
question
about
the
affordability
in
perpetuity
question.
I
know
we
had
discussed
the
possibility
of
making
agreements
that
would
be
affordable
for
99
years,
and
I
was
just
wondering
is
it?
Is
that
something
that
we
should
be
putting
a
lot
of
effort
into
like?
Is
it?
It
seems
like
if
the
30
years
is
not
a
long
time
and
it
flies
past
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
find
that
all
the
affordable
housing
we're
building
now
is
not
affordable
anymore.
C
B
C
So
how
does
the
rules
work
with
the
you
know,
with
the
state
fund,
the
department
of
health
and
community
housing
and
community
development?
You
know
my
understanding
is
that
if,
if
it's
bpda
processed
it,
we
can
keep
that.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
bh,
if
it's
state
they,
we
can't
restrict,
who
applies
for
the
affordable
housing,
so
we
could
have
people
coming
from.
God
knows
where
wanting
house
affordable,
housing
in
boston.
Is
that
how
it
works?
I.
B
I
think
I
think
what
you're
referring
to,
but
I
I'd
be
glad
to
follow
up
with
you
is
you're
right.
The
inclusionary
development
units
rental
units
have
a
shorter
affordability
term.
It's
like
50
years
and
there's
some
permission.
One
must
seek
on
every
single
development
and,
if
we're
applying
for,
if
we're
putting
money
in
and
they're
putting
money
in,
we
can
automatically
sort
of
through
the
process
get
in
perpetuity.
B
C
K
B
K
B
So
we
are
refreshing
our
data
right
right
now
I
mean
you
know
the
last
month
or
so
within
woo
administration.
Coming
in,
we
we're
looking
at
all
of
our
housing
data.
We
do
have
data
on
how
many
low
income
households
are
rent
burdened
and
by
you
know,
either
30
pay
more
than
30
or
more
than
50
percent.
I
can
get
that
over
to
you
right.
B
K
Those
are
things
that
I
think
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
notes
that
we've
been
taking
here,
things
that
you're
going
to
cut
back
to
us
on.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
you
should
add
to
the
list.
I
just
also
want
to
underscore
and
uplift,
and
I
do
really
appreciate
counselor
anderson
really
naming
it
in
terms
of
the
racial
discrepancies
that
exist
with
between
being
able
to
provide
housing
for
folks
who
are
experiencing
the
medicine
cast.
You
know
threshold
housing,
but
yet
there's
been
questions
around
the
returning
citizens.
K
B
K
K
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
just
access
to
resources,
when
I
think
about
what
happened
during
covet,
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
experiencing
and
still
continue
to
experience,
housing
and
security
are
those
who
are
most
vulnerable,
who
don't
have
documentation
and
have
a
hard
time
accessing
information,
because
they
don't
know
how
to
read
or
write
in
english.
So
I
think
that,
as
you
all
continue
to
build
your
infrastructure,
is
that
you're
really
thinking
about
how
you're
going
to
get
this
information
out
to
reach
the
most
vulnerable
people?
K
And
then
I
just
really
do
believe
that
we
need
an
audit
I'd
love
to
see
some
sort
of
timeline
with
goals
and
objectives.
Like
I
to
the
to
the
point
of
like
in
these
neighborhoods
we're
going
to
serve
x,
amount
of
people
they'll
be
able
to.
I
know
you
had
something
big
here,
big
picture
thinking,
but
I
think
we
need
to
get
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
more.
K
I
think
oftentimes
we
get
the
administration,
aspirational
goals
and
here's
what
it
looks
like,
but
when
we
unpack
it,
there's
really
the
kind
of
depth
and
information
that
we
need
is
missing.
So
I
would
love
to
really
get
a
sense
from
you
in
terms
of
your
targeting
like
how.
What
does
that
look
like
look
like?
Can
you
just
talk
to
me
about
that?
B
Well,
I
I
think
you
know
we
can
certainly
get
back
to
you
on
the
land
that
we're
proposing
to
develop
the
city
on
land
right
where
that
is.
We
know
where
that
is
so.
We
can
certainly
talk
about
that.
Most
of
our
affordable
housing
that
we
develop
is
you
know
we
can.
We
can
prioritize
boston
residents,
which
is
great.
B
We
have
hud,
has
not
allowed
us
to
do
neighborhood
preferences,
which
I
think
some
of
us
would
like
to
see
explored,
but
so
I
think
it's
hard
to
say
exactly
who
will
be
living
in
the
in
the
homes,
but
I
think
around
income
income
targeting
like
who
are
we
trying
to
serve
what
incomes
are
we
trying
to
serve
where
the
housing
will
be
built?
I
think
those
are
things
that
we
can
certainly
start
putting
pen
to
paper.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
know
the
city
was
doing
an
inventory
on
buildings.
Do
you
know
where
we're
at
with
that?
And
if
this
could
be,
you
know
a
possibility
to
create
that
support
of
housing
and
workforce
development
for
our
returning
citizens
and
if
opera
money
could
be
allocated
to
one
of
those
developments
of
right.
B
L
B
L
L
It
could
be
explored,
thank
you,
yeah
and
then
my
other
question
is
love
that
love
the
oneplus
boston
program
was
kind
of
just
wanted
to
see
what
kind
of
data
we
have
around
it
do.
We
know
how
many
families,
how
many
applicants
were
able
to
buy
in
the
city
of
boston
or
what
the
purchase
price
some
of
the
loans
were.
B
M
You
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
thank
you
councilwomal
for
adding
that
I
think
you
know
we
are
not
saying
concretely.
This
is
what
we
must
do,
but
we're
trying
to
put
these
ideas
out
here
and
explore
the
different
tools.
You
know
every
year,
three
thousand
folks
return
to
boston
from
incarceration,
and
I
think
leslie
cradle
and
a
lot
of
our
other
advocates
did
a
really
good
job
of
of
describing.
M
I
want
to
see
us
increasing
our
city-based
vouchers.
Like
many,
I
want
to
see
us
increasing
our
allocation
to
aop.
We
all
acknowledge
that
housing
for
a
lot
of
our
vulnerable
populations
with
their
seniors,
whether
they're
returning
citizens
is
critically
important
and
gbio
and
the
work
that
barbara's
been
doing.
I
think
I
think
that's
the
work
and
I
think,
in
addition,
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
council
brock
has
been
talking
about:
the
fair
cloth
amendment.
M
I've
been
talking
about
how
we
bond
as
a
city
and
our
ability
to
bond
more
for
housing,
which
is
something
that
we
can
do
if
we're
really
leaning
into
the
city's
fiscal
strength.
We
have
a
city
that
is
incredibly
unequal,
that
so
many
people
cannot
find
housing.
We
know
that
housing
should
as
a
human
right,
but
it
also
can
be
healing
it
can
be
healing
for
our
returning
citizen
population
formerly
incarcerated
folks,
providing
a
place
where
they
can
see
their
kids.
M
It's
the
very
basic
things
that
leslie
was
speaking
to,
and
so
I
I
just
ask
that
we
lean
in
here
into
both
our
fiscal
strengths
and
what
we
can
do
as
a
city
and
into
working
with
the
council
to
think
about.
You
know
supporting
additional
programs
and
thinking
about
what
we
can
do
with
this
inventory.
Once
we
once
we
know
what
would
exist
and
really
putting
some
of
our
opera
funds
to
these
ideas.
M
As
you
can
see,
I
think
the
council
is
very
much
interested
in
this
idea
and
as
councilor
for
non-janice
and
uplifted.
If
we
can
work
with,
if
we
can
share,
show
concern
to
vulnerable
populations
that
appear
to
be
more
in
our
face,
we
can
definitely
do
it
for
populations
that
we're
uplifting
that
we're
saying
have
been
historically
excluded.
My
one
question:
sorry:
I
didn't
expect
to
go
on
that
great
diary,
but
is
about
aop
and
about
the
metrics
that
we're
using
to
define
success
in
aop.
I
support
this
27
million
allocation.
M
B
B
It's
it's
the
least
expensive,
affordable
housing,
development
right.
So
I
I.
What
I
haven't
done
is
compare
someone
with
about
what
the
cost
of
a
voucher
is
over
so
many
years
versus
the
cost
of
of
the
development.
That
would
be
an
interesting,
but
once
again,
even
if
you
have
the
voucher,
sometimes
you
need
you
need
the
place
to
go,
so
it
is
cheaper
than
new
construction
in
most
instances
like,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
cheaper
than
a
voucher,
for
you
know
10
15
years,
whatever
the
average
tenancy
is.
B
I
think
another
thing
is
that
we
don't
allow
any
displacement.
So
if
people
buy
a
building
right,
you
know
we're
not
allowing
a
developer
to
say
or
an
owner
to
say.
Well,
you
know
this
doesn't
really
this
profile
doesn't
fit
or
whatever
we're
insisting
that
no
one
gets
displaced
because
of
the
acquisition,
and
I
certainly
think
that
is
a
that.
B
That
is
one
way
to
measure
success
too,
and
it's
stabilizing
communities
and
I'm
thinking,
though
counselor
I
don't
have
a
way
that
we
are
measuring
that
I
just
know
it
to
be
true,
but
I
think
we
should
look
at
that.
Like
what
does
that
mean,
if
we
get
a
critical
mass,
are
there
indicators
we,
we
there's
no
data
on
people
moving
in
and
out
which
I
wish
there
was
there's
just
no
data
source.
We
would
love
that
data
source,
but
how?
How
else
might
we
measure
community
stability
yeah?
Thank.
M
You
I
I
I
I'm
conjecturing
that
it
probably
is
one
of
the
cheaper
ways
to
prevent
displacement
and
to
ensure
affordability.
I
think
that's
why
minnie
was
talking
about
how
they're
now
trying
to
launch
the
statewide
and
so
I'd
love
for
us
to
do
more
to
support
aop
as
much
as
more
to
support
every
allocation,
of
course,
but
what
we,
what
we
see
is
working.
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
N
D
Sure
so,
in
terms
of
the
condominiums,
it's
a
portfolio,
that's
funded
by
the
state
and
we're
in
meetings
with
the
state
now
to
define
a
process
for
how
we
can
transition.
You
know
we
hope
up
to
50
to
60
of
those
units
into
home
ownership
opportunities.
So
right
now,
as
you
know,
some
have
mentioned.
D
D
We
want
to
bring
those
units
up
to
snuff
so
that
they're
not
burdened
with
repairs
immediately,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
a
process
there
to
to
do
that
capital
investment.
So
I
do
think
that
it's
a
again
a
slow
build
for
that.
I
think
I
think
there
are
these
other
ways
through
down
payment
assistance
for
existing
tenants
that
are
in
the
50
to
80
bracket
of
ami
and
through
the
city
voucher
program,
where
we
can
sort
of
move
quickly
and
right
away
to
start
getting
people
on
the
rolls.
N
D
Yeah,
and-
and
apologies
for
that-
I
think
you
know
for
me-
rent
to
own
it
you're
right.
This
is
a
rent
to
own
program
and-
and
we
I
I
think
you
know
typically,
we
think-
of
rent
to
own
as
something
happening,
possibly
through
moh,
not
just
a
direct
kind
of
voucher
to
ownership
program
so
happy
to
follow
up
and
talk
more
details.
N
Yeah
absolutely
yeah.
I
would
love
to
share
my
policy
brief
it
it's
all
there,
the
you
know:
condolizing
the
down
payments,
the
programs,
the
rent,
the
refurbishing
or
re
renovation
of
buildings.
Already
existing
housing
city
owned
or
state
owned,
yeah,
it's
all
there.
So
I
it
sounds
like
great
minds.
Think
alike.
T
N
I
guess
chief
dylan
what
so
in
terms
of
data.
You
know
we're
talking
about
like
how
do
we
know
what
are
the
return
investments?
How
do
we
tracking
the
stuff,
especially
with
arpa
dollars,
right?
We
know
who
it
impacts
and
we
know
what
this.
What
the
fed
said
like
this
money
should
go
to
people
that
is
disproportionately
impacted
by
kovid.
So
I
think
that
it's
almost
you
know
sort
of
counterproductive
to
spend
to
say,
there's
a
need:
let's
spend
the
money
right,
there's
a
need.
N
You
know
the
majority.
The
minorities
are
the
majority.
We
know
that
this
60
million
should
house
majority
people
of
color
right
and
then
it
should
also
house
majority
black
people,
but
it
should
also
house
majority
black
americans
right
because-
and
I'm
saying
in
that
in
that
percentage,
because
it
clearly
states
who
is
impacted.
B
So,
if
we're
building
a
lot
of
new
housing,
if
so,
that
needs
to
be
tracked
as
well,
who
is
benefiting?
How
are
these
resources
getting
in
the
hands
of
communities
and
and
who?
So
I
do
think
that
we
will
only
be
success.
We
need
to
be
able
to
look
back
on
at
the
end
of
the
two
or
three
or
four
year
period,
where
arp
is
being
spent
and
point
b
to
very
intentional
outcomes.
So
I
agree
with
you.
I.
N
N
N
Both
you,
as
my
white
sister
me
as
your
black
sister,
to
be
able
to
say
look.
This
is
not
to
jeopardize
or
compromise
your
position
in
your
livelihood
in
your
job,
but
rather
that
I'm
in
a
system
that
I
know
that
I
have
to
fight,
but
although
I'm
invested
in
it
because
it
pays
my
bills
but
that
we
together
are
in
this
system
and
how
are
we
going
to
do
that?
Intentionally
is
by
having
that
conversation
and
saying
this
is
not
affordable
and
being
honest
moving
forward
in
what
we
can
and
cannot
do.
N
So
I
appreciate
your
responses
in
the
way
that
you
all
have
spoken
today,
because
when
you
didn't
know
you
said
I
don't
know,
but
we
can't
keep
doing
that
right
like
at
some
point.
We
have
counselors
have
to
hold
ourselves
accountable
and
come
to
you
and
say:
hey
chief
I'm
here.
How
can
I
help
so
I
look
forward
to
that.
Thank
you.
A
A
All
right,
I
I
think
I
we've
got
a
bunch
of
informational
follow-ups
for
the
committee
to
do
with
you
all,
but
I
feel
like
I
know
where
you
all
are,
so
I'm
not
gonna
take
my
second
round
so
I'll.
Just
and
I
don't
see
anybody
else
signed
up
for
public
testimony
if,
like
I'm
saying
this
hesitantly
because,
as
you
all
know,
my
chief
of
staff,
emily
brown,
is
deeply
involved
in
the
lgbtq
erg,
and
so
I
am
very
personally
invested
in
getting
to
the
pride
festivities.
A
A
A
You
know
you've
heard
me
chief
talk
about
the
fact
that
you
know
this
needs
to
be
stuff.
That's
yes,
answering
urgent
things,
but
participating
in
systemic
solutions
and
and
really
leaving
a
lasting
impact
and
that
we're
creating
good
jobs
with
and
we're
building
the
public
role
with,
and
I
think
you've
heard
a
lot
of
counselors
say
we
need
to.
We
want
the
measurements
built
baked
in,
so
that
we
don't
feel
like
we're
saying
yes
now
and
then
later
down
the
road.
A
It
doesn't
turn
out
to
be
what
we
and
our
constituents
hoped
it
would
be,
and
and
all
of
that
we're
balancing
against
the
enormous
pressure
we
heard
from
barbara
around
the
hey.
Our
people
need
this
money,
we're
in
a
housing
crisis,
especially
on
that
right
on
this
housing
front.
Like
can
we
get
the
money
out
the
door,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
we're
all
going
to
continue
to
figure
out
together
that
balance
for
how
to
get
these
dollars
hitting
the
ground
in
an
accountable
and
in
a
lasting
way.