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Docket #0160 - re: Boston Police Department's body-worn camera pilot program preliminary results
A
Pre-Hearing
to
review
the
Boston
Police
Department's
body,
one
camera
pilot
program,
the
preliminary
study
results,
Boston,
Police
Department
began
a
six-month
body-worn
camera
pilot
program
in
September
of
2016,
and
a
full
evaluation
is
expected
to
release
in
June.
This
is
a
preliminary
hearing
to
listen
to
exactly
what
we
have
found
today.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
good
Commissioner.
Evans.
I
know
that
with
the
snowstorm
coming
in
there's
a
lot
of
preparation
for
you
in
the
in
the
basic
city
services
staff,
so
you
may
have
to
step
out
and
I
certainly
understand
that.
A
B
B
Oh
there
we
go
okay,
all
right
again,
I'll
start
over
I'm
Commissioner
Bill
Evans
I
want
to
thank
the
counselors
for
hosting
this
meeting
on
body
cameras.
My
team
with
me
today
is
Superintendent
John
Daly
who's
in
charge
of
our
administration
in
in
technology.
He's
a
superintendent
in
charge
of
that
and
he's
been
instrumental
to
out
this
whole
body
cam
procedure
on
not
only
you
know
the
whole
specifics
of
it,
but
also
dealing
with
the
cost
in
estimates
so
and
also
with
me,
is
Jack
McDevitt
who's.
B
The
professor
at
North
Easton
in
Anthony
Drago,
also
both
have
been
instrumental
in
looking
at
the
data
and
we
look
forward
in
June
to
the
final
results.
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
today
about
preliminary
results
and
I
want
to
thank
them
for
dealing
with
that
issue,
but
I
think
we're
all
waiting
for
the
final
results
on
June.
So
you
know
just
to
go
back
a
little
ways.
You
know
we
started
this
process
of
a
hundred
offices
wearing
the
body
cameras
back
in
September
of
2017
the
officers
warm
for
six
months
after
the
six
months.
B
In
meeting
up
to
this,
we
had
a
not
only
community
meetings,
but
also
we
had
a
social
justice
task
force
which
councillor
Campbell.
You
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
community
members
were
on
it
and
they
helped
us
craft.
You
know
the
policies
and
some
of
the
procedures
who
was
going
to
wear
them,
what
districts
they
wanted
the
gang
unit
to
wear
them.
So
the
procedure,
the
way
it
went
in
was
well
thought
out
by
the
social
justice
task
force,
and
you
know
so.
You
know
preliminary
the
results
honestly.
B
Jacking
them
can
get
more
into
detail,
but
you
know
from
the
most
part,
I
think
it's
all
been
positive.
I
haven't
heard
one
complaint
from
the
offices
from
for
wearing
them
at
all.
In
fact,
I
think
a
lot
of
them
were
encouraged
by
where
and
them
I
think
it
does
a
lot
of
things
one.
It
helps
quell
some
of
the
disturbances
they
run
into
when
people
see
them
on
camera.
Sometimes
they
take
it
down
a
little
bit.
B
I
think
we've
seen
the
value
of
bringing
those
cases
to
court,
especially
in
gun
cases
where
it's
all
on
video
I
know
that
the
district
attorney's
office
likes
them.
I
know
the
defense
attorneys
like
them,
so
procedurally
wise
as
the
court
they're
good.
Also
they've
been
excellent
in
investigations.
You
know
just
having
that
camera
out.
There
has
helped
in
taking
some
of
the
these
gang
issues
out
of
the
mix,
because
it
allows
us
to
sort
of
have
video
footage
and
put
together
the
gang
sort
of
organization.
B
So
from
an
organizational
standpoint,
you
know
it's
all
positive.
It
really
is
the
only
negative
is
sometimes
the
officers
when
they're
in
foot
pursuit.
You
know
they
lose
the
cameras,
sometimes
when
they're
in
just
fights
they
get
ripped
off
their
body,
but
other
than
that
things
have
gone
real
well,
I,
think
here
today
we
have
thirty,
eight
thousand
and
two
hundred
videos
that
we've
gotten
in
that
year.
4600
hours
of
footage
for
the
most
part
and
in
at
least
two
cases,
complaints
brought
against
offices
was
was
cleared
by
viewing.
B
The
video
so
they've
also
been
good
to
sort
of
back
our
offices
on
frivolous
complaints.
So,
for
the
most
part,
things
are
good
I
think
the
preliminary
yeah
showed
that
we
had
I
think
12,
less
use,
I'm,
sorry,
12,
less
civilian
complaints
against
us
for
the
year,
one
for
each
month,
which
isn't
significant.
B
You
know
twelve
months
and
we
also
had
seven
less
use
of
force,
as
reported
by
the
offices
which
is
required,
but
we
really
don't
have
a
major
problem
in
the
department
on
use
of
force
and
I
back
in
2011
we
had
eighty
citizens
complaints
of
excessive
force
in
2017.
We
just
had
21,
so
it's
steadily
declining
over
the
years.
Anyone
complaining
about
excessive
force
in
the
Boston
Police
Department,
and
also
with
citizens,
complaints
back
in
2013
we
registered
360.
B
Last
year
we
had
211,
so
you
can
see
without
the
body
cameras
numbers
in
in
the
behavior
complaint
again
has
significantly
gone
down.
This
most
likely
will
only
improve
that
as
as
this
study
has
shown,
but
you
know,
I
come
in
here
saying
right
from
the
get-go
I,
don't
think
mayor
Walsh
and
myself
have
really
opposed
this.
The
the
biggest
question
always
says:
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost?
B
B
B
The
point
that
we've
really
sort
of
contested,
but
as
a
sip
book
for
you
today,
I
think
the
mayor
realizes
the
positive
benefits
to
this
and
I
do
and
I
think
the
department,
although
a
little
reluctant
to
jump
into
it
at
first,
have
seen
that
it
protects
their
members.
Well
and
obviously
it
helps
us
tremendously
as
we
deal
sometimes
where
the
public
out
there.
That,
unfortunately,
is
not
too
nice
to
us.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
Commissioner
for
your
thorough
introduction,
a
couple
protocol
issues.
First,
a
couple
people
have
joined
us
councillor.
Edwards
Council
is
a
comm
consular,
asabi,
George
and
councillor
O'malley
have
joined
us
today.
Also
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
this
is
a
public
hearing
being
recorded
and
broadcasted
on
Comcast
eight
RCN
82
in
Verizon
1964.
C
Those
are
two
three
policing
districts,
two
three
four
14:18
and
also
the
use
of
violent
strike
force,
and
we
were
fortunate
that
both
the
mayor
and
the
Commissioner
were
very
supportive
of
a
rigorous
study
of
the
impacts
of
the
cameras.
We
were
able
to
pursue
a
randomized
experiment
which
is
generally
considered
the
gold
standard
and
program
evaluation.
Where
we
randomly
allocated
officers
to
two
groups,
one
group
was
a
camera
group
or
a
treatment
group.
C
You
know
the
group
was
a
comparison
group
and
the
nice
thing
about
randomization
is
it
allows
you
to
assume
that
there
aren't
any
systematic
differences
between
the
two
groups?
You
know
facilitating
an
apples-to-apples
comparison,
in
other
words,
when
we
look
at
the
effects
of
the
camera.
The
only
thing
difference
between
the
officers
who
received
the
camera
and
the
officers
who
don't
would
be
the
cameras
themselves.
C
So
we
were
able
to
achieve
that
apples-to-apples
comparison,
which
was
important
for
the
integrity
of
the
design.
All
140
officers
who
were
in
the
camera
group
were
trained
in
how
to
use
the
camera
and
the
policy
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
developed.
However,
from
the
initiation
of
the
program,
since
there
were
only
100
cameras,
those
were
placed
on
only
100
of
those
140
officers
and
the
40
other
officers
were
alternates
that
would
be
drawn
upon
as
officers
cycled
out
of
their
assignments.
C
The
period
of
the
experiment
was
for
one
year
and
during
that
time
period
we
had
21
officers
who
were
in
the
treatment
group
change
assignments
or
get
promoted
or
go
out
on
medical
leave
that
needed
to
be
replaced,
so
they
were
replaced
over
the
course
of
the
of
this
study.
So
there
were
a
total
of
121
officers
who,
over
that
1-year
period,
were
the
cameras
we
decided
to
do
our
comparison
of
the
full
140
who
were
trained
in
the
policy
relative
to
the
hundred
and
forty
one
who
didn't
it's
to
be
a
little
nerdy.
C
It's
a
design
choice
known
as
intent
to
treat
I
just
want
me
to
talk
later
about.
Why
that's
a
good
thing
to
do?
It's
essentially,
if
you
train
officers
to
behave
a
certain
way,
you
would
expect
that
they
would
change
their
behavior
anyways
because
they
were
were
trained
in
what
was
being
examined
in
the
study.
It
was
also
important
because
100
officers
wearing
the
cameras,
it
was
a
relatively
small
sample
to
observe
and
as
I'll
mention
in
a
minute.
These
are
very
rare
events
that
we're
looking
at
in
our
preliminary
impact
assessment.
C
So
having
more
officers
available
to
include
in
the
study
I
think
was
a
good
design
decision.
So
for
the
preliminary
results
we
reported
on
officer,
use
of
force,
reports
and
officer
complaints,
and
it's
worth
noting
here
that
you
know
for
us
on
the
research
team.
There
was
this
real
challenge
of
trying
to
detect
an
effect
of
the
cameras
and
because
the
base
rates
of
both
of
these
events
were
very
small.
C
So
for
the
officers
in
the
treatment
and
control
groups
before
the
cameras
were
implemented
for
complaints,
they
had
a
rate
of
0.2,
which
is
an
average
of
one
complaint
every
five
years
for
use
of
force.
It
was
point
one
which
translate
to
on
average
one
use
of
force
report
every
ten
years.
So
these
are,
you
know
very
low
base
rates
in
a
relatively
small
sample
for
only
a
year
period
to
really
observe
change.
That's
one
of
the
challenges
of
our
design
that
as
we
go
forward,
we
can
continue
to
wrestle
with.
C
So
when
we
did
this
statistical
analysis,
as
the
Commissioner
mentioned,
we
found
some
very
small
impacts,
and
that
was
in
part
because
of
the
size
of
the
sample
and
the
rare
base
room
rates.
The
rare
event
base
rates
that
we're
dealing
with
for
the
those
officers
who
wore
the
camera
relative
officers,
who
didn't
they
had
12
fewer
complaints
or,
on
average,
one
fewer
per
month
of
wearing
the
cameras
as
a
group
and
for
use
of
force
there.
The
difference
was
7
use
of
force
reports.
C
We
were
able
to
confirm
that
this,
relatively
modest
reduction
in
complaints
was
significant,
which
means
that
we
didn't
observe
it
just
by
chance
alone,
because
things
can
go
well,
things
can
go
down.
There
are
random
fluctuations
and
the
use
of
force.
It
was
on
the
smaller
side.
So
we
couldn't
confirm
that
with
confidence
at
this
point
in
time
that
it
wasn't
just
a
chance
reduction.
However,
stepping
back
taken
as
a
whole,
these
suggests
they
were
very
small
but
notable
improvements
on
those
two
dimensions
and
I.
C
Think
relative
to
I
should
mention
I've
done
a
body,
worn
camera
experiment
in
Las
Vegas,
where
the
base
rates
were
much
higher.
So
there
was
a
lot
more
room
for
improvement.
I
think
the
case
in
Boston
is
they
had
a
small
effect,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
room
for
improvements.
Given
the
very
low
base
rates.
C
We're
gonna
continue
to
look
at
the
at
the
numbers
and
you
know
look
at
it
in
different
ways
to
see
if
the
effects
are
change,
as
time
has
gone
on
a
few
of
the
other
measures
that
we're
looking
at
we're.
Also
looking
at
whether
there's
any
changes
in
police
officer
work
activities.
There
are
some
that
suggest
that
when
you
outfit
officers
with
cameras,
they
might
you
know
second-guessed
their
behaviors.
It
might
be
less
likely
to
engage
less
likely
to
be
proactive.
C
C
Looking
at
whether
there's
any
changes
in
the
racial
distribution
on
who's
being
stopped,
who's
being
arrested
for
officers
wearing
cameras
relative
to
those
who
aren't
in
any
indicators
of
changes
in
the
legality
of
if
there
is
a
frisk
or
search
in
a
stop,
whether
there's
any
changes
there
across
the
two
groups
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague,
Jack
McDevitt.
To
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
community
measures
and
other
aspects
of
the
work
we've
been
doing.
Sure.
D
D
What
we've
done
so
far
is
to
have
a
number
of
community
meetings
with
different
groups
as
they
meet
with
their
members
has
been
over
100
community
members
interviewed,
as
well
as
people
representing
different
places
and
government,
take
a
step
back
and
say
that
the
Commissioner
mentioned
the
social
justice
task
force
which,
with
Reverend
Mark
Scott
I
co-chair,
and
that
group
has
had
a
pretty
direct
and
ongoing
role
in
how
this
has
been
implemented.
And
there's
been
reports
back
to
that
group
and
that
groups
had
feedback
and
one
of
the
places
where
the
group
suggested.
D
As
a
commissioner
said
was.
The
original
plan
was
for
50
cameras,
and
the
group
said:
maybe
you'd
be
better
if
we
had
a
hundred
and
it
turned
out
to
be
an
insightful
comment,
because
it
helps
with
the
numbers
that
Anthony
just
talked
about
in
terms
of
having
enough
numbers
to
be
able
to
make
some
kind
of
finding
so
I
said:
we've
met
with
over
a
hundred
community
members
in
different
groups.
D
The
preliminary
findings
have
been
that
the
community
members
really
think
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
a
good
department
overall,
that
it's
above
average
that
it's
a
department
that
they
think
of
as
the
better
ones
in
the
country.
They.
They
also
really
like
the
offices
that
they
work
with.
You
know
they
have
good
relationships
with
individual
officers
who
work
with
their
organization
or
that
they
have
a
relationship
with,
and
those
relationships
seem
to
bear
a
lot
of
fruit
and
have
a
lot
of
trust
in
those
individual
officers.
D
But
they
also
say
that
you
know
this
more
than
2,000
offices
in
the
Boston
Police
Department,
so
they
don't
know
them
all
and
there's
concerns
about.
You
know
how
many
you
know:
I
the
ones
I
know
are
really
good.
Are
they
all
really
good
and
I?
Don't
know
that,
so
that's
been
something
that
was
articulated
most
of
the
people
that
we've
spoken
with
and
interviewed
are
happy
that
the
city
is
engaged
in
this
pilot
program.
They
think
of
it
as
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
D
They
are
looking
forward
to
the
answers
that
will
come
from
Northeastern
and
from
the
Boston
Police
Department
in
terms
of
how
effective
they
are.
They
also
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
again
think
about
the
numbers.
If
a
hundred
officers
are
wearing
cameras
like
Anthony
just
laid
out
for
you
and
as
2,000
officers
out
there
interacting
with
the
public,
we
haven't
run
into
very
many
people
that
have
had
an
interaction
with
an
officer
with
the
camera.
D
D
The
one
of
the
things
I
guess
I
would
say
is,
as
an
overall
measure
is
that
most
of
the
community
groups
we
spoke
to
think
cameras-
are
the
future
in
policing
that
it's
going
to
be
something
that
police
departments
will
just
have
in
the
future,
and
so
they
think
of
that
as
something
as
the
Commissioner
said,
that
any
good
Police
Department
will
have
cameras
as
part
of
its
repertoire.
So
that
has
been
one
of
the
findings
that
the
second
Thor
know
is
that
they
share
the
concern
that
you
heard
articulated
already
about.
D
Well,
what
are
the
opportunity
costs?
How
much
is
this
going
to
cost,
and
what
are
we
going
to
not
pay
for
to
be
able
to
have
the
cameras
on
everybody?
So
that's
come
up
and
of
times
and
asked
you
know.
Well,
we
have
a
number
will
we
know
what
that's
going
to
do
for
the
city
and
for
the
police
department
and
all
of
that
and
that's
something
that
people
are
concerned
about
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
they
would
deal
with
that
that
the
other
group
that
we've
met
with
that
I
think
is
pretty
interesting.
D
You
know,
as
we
know,
there's
lots
of
cameras
out
around
the
city
and
a
lot
of
these
incidents
could
capture
it
on
camera.
But
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
hear
the
interaction
here
with
the
body
cameras
you
get
to
hear
how
the
police
officer
treated
the
individual,
how
the
individual
treated
the
police
officer
and
you
get
a
much
better
feel
for
how
that
interaction
went
down,
and
so
that's
something
that
they
finding
is
very
helpful
in
bringing
the
cases
to
court.
D
I
also
say
that
one
of
the
really
interesting
things
that's
happened
in
the
community
groups
is
that
the
community
members,
as
you
know
in
the
city,
want
to
be
helpful.
They
want
to
try
to
be
helpful,
so
they
were
saying
things
like
you
know.
We
could
form
a
group
that
could
review
the
cameras
and
talk
to
you
about
what's
normal
behavior
for
this
group
or
that
group,
and
so
to
help.
D
You
understand
how
the
interactions
between
the
officer
and
the
individual
community
member
might
be
different
and
they
were
sort
of
reaching
out
to
do
that
on
their
own.
To
say,
we'll,
be
happy
to
put
a
group
together
to
help
you
do
that
and
think
creatively
about
how
we
interact
with
the
police
and
how
our
history
might
inform
that.
D
So
I
think
that
that
there's
some
interesting
possibilities
as
this
continues
to
downhill
to
sort
of
see
how
that's
been
done
and
I
guess
there
we're
also
going
to
be
looking
at
at
the
videos
themselves
for
questions
of
quality
questions
of
consistency
in
that.
So
we
have
some
at
their
final
report,
some
idea
about
the
overall
quality
of
the
videos
and
how
that's
working
and
we
have
some
students
coding-
those
that's
as
we
speak
so
at
that
point
out,
stop
and
take
any
questions.
B
You
know
we
looked
at
other
studies,
all
right
and
that's
why
you
know
we've
sort
of
not
only
done
this
pilot
book,
but
we've
looked
at
others
around
the
country
and
where
there's
been
positive,
benefits
and
there's
some
negative
benefits
and
you
know
I
know.
Washington
DC
did
a
pilot
with
a
thousand
offices
and
a
warm
and
a
thousand
didn't
and
at
the
end
of
it
they
didn't
really
say
any
difference
in
any
change
of
behavior.
B
But
the
one
that's
interested
in
auntie
talked
about
is
Las
Vegas,
where
the
officers
were
the
cameras
and
the
the
issue
that
what
happened
was
complaints
and
I.
Think
use
of
force
came
down
a
little
bit,
but
but
what
went
up
was
the
amount
of
reverse
and
the
amount
of
tickets
written.
So
you
know
it
takes
away
a
lot
of
the
discretion
we
offices
used
to
be
able
to
probably
give
kids
breaks
on
something
and
what
they
found
in
Las
Vegas
is.
B
The
amount
of
rests,
went
up
because
officers
are
on
video
and
I
think
sometimes
they're
compelled
where
they
could
have
gave
someone
a
break
that
they're
going
to
have
to
make.
So
the
only
concern
I
might
have
a
little
bit
is
you
know,
you
know
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
keeping
arrests
down,
I
think
we're
almost
down
30%
over
the
last
three
or
four
years
on
camera.
Sometimes
that
can
take
away
our
discretion.
So
if
we
were,
you
know
want
to
give
someone,
let's
say
in
the
past,
a
break
for
doing
something.
B
Now
it's
on
camera
and
there's
liability
they
of
having
forbid
we
let
the
person
go,
and
here
at
someone
and
and
so
that's
the
only
thing,
I
think
having
cameras
that
that
Las
Vegas
study
that
hold
that
little
concept
bothered
me
that
you
know
I
think
we
do
a
good
job
of
not
locking
kids
up,
and
sometimes
this
might
tie
us
in
just
a
little
bit.
You
know,
John,
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bout,
the
costs.
E
About
them,
but
we're
looking
at
for
a
full
implementation
between
five
and
seven
million
dollars
for
the
first
year.
Some
of
those
costs
could
go
down,
will
negotiate
with
vendors,
but
this
is
based
on
their
high
level
estimates
and
quotes
that
that
we
received
from
some
of
the
vendors
out
there.
Some
of
these
costs
are
also
recurring.
Others
first
year,
implementation
costs.
So
you
know,
depending
on
what
sort
of
deal
we
get
from,
what
kind
of
a
vendor
probably
looking
at.
E
You
know
between
five
and
seven
million
dollars
on
a
yearly
basis,
moving
forward
for
a
full
implementation.
You
know
if
we
did
approach
it.
We
could
also
approach
it
in
a
way
that
we
would
phase
it
in
in
the
first
year,
maybe
begin
halfway
through
the
year
and
do
a
smaller
number
of
officers
and
then
sort
of
ramp.
Up
from
that
to
you
know
to
lower
the
impact,
the
cost
impacts.
A
F
But
because
of
all
of
the
benefits
you
just
suggested,
so
you
know
whether
it's
useful
in
court.
This
idea
that
technology
is
coming
unfortunate,
incidents
that
we
may
see
here
and
there
would
that
sort
of
complement
the
need
to
come
up
with
some
of
tools
that
we
know
work
and
body
cameras
are
one
of
them.
E
You
know
translation
software,
you
know
things
like
that.
That
officers
could
have
information
at
their
fingertips.
You
know
in
in
their
cars
as
they're
walking
their
beats.
Things
like
that
I
think.
You
know
we're
we're
really
looking
closely
at
mobility
and
how
to
leverage
that,
and
you
know
how
to
do
it
in
a
sensible
way.
But
but
this
does
align
with
the
body
cameras
and.
F
I
know
reason
I
bring.
That
up
is
because
we
often
talk
about
the
use
of
body
cameras
as
if
it's
only
a
tool
that
is
going
to
be
effective.
Of
course,
not
saying
you
guys
on
the
panel,
but
just
some
folks
in
a
community
that
we
engage
with
on
this
particular
issue
as
if
it's
only
a
benefit
for
say
civilians.
We've
come
to
learn
through
community
meetings
with
officers
or
other
hearings.
F
We've
had
that
these
are
also
tools
that
could
benefit
our
very
officers
as
well,
whether
it's
painting
the
picture
around
a
particular
incident
providing
more
detail,
learning
from
what
happened,
going
back
using
it
for
training
purposes,
etc.
And
so
the
question
around
or
my
sort
of
suggestion
is
that
we
expand
it
outside
of
the
context
of
body
cameras
and
look
at
all
technology
that
might
be
informative
for
those
purposes.
F
B
Little
bit
controversial,
but
we're
ready
to
roll
it
out
and
obviously
we'll
go
to
the
community
is
the
whole
issue
of
drones.
You
know
I,
think
you
talk
about
cost
effective.
You
know
to
have
those
out
in
accident
reconstruction
sites.
I
have
met
crime,
scenes
the
ability
to
fly
one
and
get
those
measurements
and
get
those
camera
shots
from
there.
The
ability
to
put
them
up
when
we
have
the
Boston
Marathon.
So
we
get
a
good
snapshot
of
any
security
concerns.
You
know
the
whole
country
is
going
to
them
now.
B
Police
agencies
across
the
country-
and
you
know
that's
that's
the
way.
I
think
we
can
move
to
be
smarter
and
more
efficient
in
you
know,
right
now,
if
we
have
a
crime
scene,
sometimes
we're
out
there
for
three
hours
and
have
a
forbid.
You
know
we
even
have
a
bar
at
the
scene.
Those
scenes
can
take
quite
a
long
time
tie
up
a
lot
of
resources,
keep
streets
close
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
be
moving
to
shortly
and
I
know.
You
know
we.
B
Sometimes
we
get
some
fight
back
that
we're
up
to
something
sinister
by
rolling
those
out.
It's
just
so
we
can
be
a
more
effective
and
efficient
department.
We
don't
have
any
anything
that
we're
up
to
no
good
putting
them
out,
but
people
when
you
move
on
technology.
They
always
look
at
it
like
we're
up
to
no
good.
You
know
we
try
to
move
on
social
media
because
we
try
to
prevent
tragedies
that
happen
in
places
like
Park
parkland.
B
You
know,
even
in
Winchester
are
everywhere
where
we
can
pick
it
up
and
I
think
we'll
move
to
be
more
efficient
with
our
brake
on
that,
but
initially
you
know
we
got
called
onto
the
carpet
that
you
know
you
can't
be
doing
this.
This
is
an
invasion.
So
as
much
as
we
try
to
move
in
your
direction
yeah,
you
know
everyone
always
thinks
that
our
motives
and
the
best,
but
it's
all
about
public
safety.
Well.
F
I
will
say
this
I
think
you
know,
you
speak
to
my
point
that
there's
an
array
of
technological
tools
out
there
and
because
we've
been
having
this
conversation
related
to
body
cameras
for
some
time
now,
I
think
we
sometimes
get
sucked
into
just
this
one
tool
called
body
cameras
which
I
think
we
should
absolutely
do.
But
there
are
other
technological
tools
out
there
that
have
proven
to
be
efficient
or
allow
you
to
do
your
job
more
efficiently
and
effectively
that
we've
talked
about
so
I
want
us
to
not
get
just
stuck
on
the
body.
F
So
the
cost
analysis
piece
I
think
doesn't
account
for
the
possibility
of
settlements
going
down
against
the
department
that
could
what
we
could
sort
of
save
on
the
cost
settlement
side
of
things
or
what
funding
might
be
available
at
the
state
or
federal
level
for
these.
For
this
purpose,
regardless
of
how
you
feel
about
what's
coming
out
of
Washington,
there
might
be
some
funding
opportunities
for
police
departments
that
are
taking
on
these
new
technology
tools.
F
So
I
encourage
us
to
look
into
that
and
it's
difficult,
sometimes
to
monetize
the
feeling
that
someone
might
have
when
someone
is
wearing
a
body
camera.
So
I
know
that
there's
some
qualitative
outside
of
the
quantitative
data
that
Anthony
and
Jack
are
diving
into.
There
is
some
qualitative
data
as
well,
which
are
also
getting
at
having
these
community
meetings
and
meeting
with
folks
in
a
community
about
their
interaction.
F
Either
was
an
officer
who
had
a
body
camera
or
their
interaction
with
how
they
think
they
might
respond
with
an
officer
who's
wearing
a
body
camera
that
they
haven't
interacted
with
yet-
and
there
is
something
about
this
idea
of
increasing
trust,
increasing
accountability
and
transparency
for
both
parties
that
you
can't
always
monetize.
So
I
want
us
to
be
mindful
of
that
as
well,
and
sometimes
we
have
to
make
investments
and
new
things,
whether
it's
drones
or
things
related
to
social
media.
But
I've
heard
overwhelming
support
for
this
particular
tool
and
I.
F
Think
we
need
to
then
get
to
the
next
step,
which
is
what
is
the
process
that
the
department
would
have
to
undertake
in
order
to
do
this
on
a
full-scale
basis
or
if
we
did
it
in
a
phased
phase
way,
which
I've
suggested?
If
it's
cost
a
lot
of
money,
then
why
not
start
with
the
departments
that
are
most
questionable
right
and
maybe
we
use
certain
metrics
to
determine
what
departments
those
are
and
to
roll
it
out
in
that
way?
F
But
I
can
wait
for
the
second
round,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
the
actual
process
it
would
take.
Is
it
negotiating
with
the
unions?
Is
it
the
mayor
negotiating
and
having
conversations
with
the
unions
you
Commissioner?
What
else
might
it
take
to
sort
of
this
for
this
to
happen
on
a
full-scale
basis.
B
We're
going
to
have
to
probably
hire
probably
12
to
15
people
just
to
have
to
deal
with
handling
the
four
years
redaction.
You
know
right
now.
If,
when
people
have
asked
for
one
little
tape,
it
takes
us
over
three
or
four
hours
to
get
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
cost
to
size.
Personnel
goes,
you
know
we're
gonna
have
to
just
hire,
probably
by
John,
probably
at
least
12
people
just
to
deal
with
the
input
and
output
in
requests
from
it.
B
F
A
You
very
much
counselor
I
just
have
more
of
a
more
of
a
statement
really
when,
when
counselor
Campbell
was
talking
about
the
toolbox,
I
think
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
at
length.
You
know,
every
police
officer
has
a
right
to
go
home
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
anything
that
will
help
that
police
officer
go
home
safely
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
all
about
whether
it's
drones,
you
know,
I've
we've
talked
about
Tasers
a
little
bit.
A
They
record
they
can
it's
another
non-lethal
action
that
a
police
officer
can
take
that
will
protect
them
and
also
protect
the
person
who
they're
gonna
take
down
that
might
be
options.
Body
cameras.
We
talked
about
iPhones
with
shot
spotter
that
they'll
actually
know
exactly
what
kind
of
callable
weapon
they're
walking
into
a
situation
and
again
protecting
the
police
officers,
as
well
as
the
people
who
are
in
the
incident
scene
or
dashboard
cams.
A
So
you
know
as
the
chair
whatever
it
takes
to
make
sure
that
the
people
are
safe
and,
as
importantly,
our
police
officers,
safe
I,
think
is
very
important.
So
whatever
you
need
in
your
toolbox,
whether
it's
five
million
or
seven
million
or
ten
million,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
police
force
is
adequately
prepared
and
to
be
safe
for
the
people
as
well
as
as
themselves.
So
that's
just
more
of
a
statement,
anything
else.
So
there
you
go,
Commissioner
I
mean
counselor,
Ed,
Flynn
I.
G
You
mr.
chairman
I
have
worked
with
the
Boston
Police
for
almost
10
years
as
a
as
a
line
probation
officer
at
Suffolk,
Superior,
Court
and
I
I
think
we
have
the
best
police
officers
in
the
country
and
best
Police
Department
in
the
country.
My
question
is:
if,
if
a
camera
is
ripped
off
a
police
officer
during
an
arrest,
how
was
that
camera
replaced
and
how
much
would
it
cost
to
replace
it
in
wood,
wood
bps
have
technical
staff
to
do
it
or
what
would
it
be
contracted
out.
E
And
this
has
happened.
We
have
lost
a
few
cameras,
you
know
in
scuffles
and
things
like
that
during
the
pilot
and
basically
we'll
have
spares-
and
you
know
we
just
replaced
the
camera,
send
it
back
to
the
manufacturer
and
there
might
be
a
cost
involved,
but
it
wouldn't
be
too
bad.
Okay,
it's
well!
It's
a
cost
of
doing
business.
G
Now,
if
the,
if
the
video
was
used
in
court,
would
it
be
accessible
to
the
public
at
that
time
or
with
the
public
request,
the
video
from
you
from
your
office
and
if
they
did
and
it's
in
it's
in
the
public?
Would
that
put
any
type
of
you
know
any
officer
their
safety
in
jeopardy?
For
any
reason?
Well,.
E
If,
if
the
video
was
introduced
into
the
record
in
court,
then
it
would
be,
you
know,
depending
on
you
know
the
controls
of
the
court.
You
know
it
would
be
available
as
a
public
record.
If
a
citizen
made
a
request
for
a
video
to
the
police
department,
we
would
review
the
request
to
review
the
video
redacted
appropriately
to
protect
any
privacy
interests,
and
then
it
would
be
a
public
record
that
we
would
release
okay.
G
Now,
as
it
relates
to
the
camera
itself,
is
the
camera?
Is
there
any
way
that
the
camera
could
not
capture
the
entire
situation?
That's
taking
place
at
the
time
in
terms
of
a
certain
view
that
you
capture,
whether
it's
sixty
percent
and
you
might
not
catch
the
accurate
story
of
what's
actually
happening?
Yes,.
E
H
You
mr.
chair
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
councillor
Campbell
for
offering
this
hearing
order.
A
year
ago,
I
was
sitting
out
in
the
audience
as
someone
who
believed
in
the
importance
of
body
cameras
and
I
will
say
that
this
report
has
affirmed
that
belief.
Just
a
couple
of
questions.
I
have
a
few
here.
I.
E
H
Go
on
too
long,
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
is
someone
who
represents
and
lives
in
the
community
of
color
is
that
many
folks
don't
go
to
the
police
for
complaints
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
lack
of
trust,
the
belief
that
there
will
be
retribution,
the
belief
that
nothing
will
happen
if
they
complain
about
use
of
force
or
some
other
kind
of
interaction,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering.
Do
you
believe
that
these
numbers
could
have
been
higher,
given
that.
B
Your
guess
as
good
as
mine
and
I
can
tell
you
we're
out
there
working
hard
I
think
we're
doing
a
great
job
out
there
and
yeah.
Could
someone
not
want
to
report
it
because
their
lack
of
trust
yeah,
but
we
make
it
clear
that
you
know
you
can
go
on
your
computer
at
home
and
issue
the
complaint
you
did.
We
have
so
many
ways
that
we
didn't
have
years
ago.
We
used
to
have
to
walk
in
the
station
and
make
a
complaint.
B
So
if
people
feel
wronged,
you
know
they
don't
have
to
approach
the
station
they
they
can.
We
take
call.
We
take
complaints
over
the
phone
we
take
them
to
the
computer.
We
there's
many
ways
that
they
shouldn't
feel
intimidated,
but
I
think
what's
encouraging.
Is
the
numbers
clearly
show
that
we're
working
a
lot
harder
and
I
think
we've
earned
a
lot
of
respect
because
the
use
of
force?
In
my
opinion,
complaints
over
the
last
five
years-
has
almost
gone
down
half
of
what
it
used
to
be
yeah.
H
B
I
think,
if
you
look
at
any
sample
around
the
country,
I
think
most
of
them
have
been
doing
50
or
100
I.
Don't
think
you
you
know
that
seems
to
be.
You
know,
we've
looked
at
other
studies
and
that
gives
you
a
good
snapshot.
We
covered
five
districts,
probably
two
or
three
of
them
busiest
districts
where
we
might
have
negative
interaction,
sometimes
the
gang
unit.
Where
sometimes
you
know
the
other
kids
in
the
unit.
That's
out
there
always
interacting
with
some
of
the
gang
kids.
B
B
We
have
procedures
on
when
they're
on
it
and
when
they're
off
and
for
the
most
part,
any
interaction
out
there,
whether
it's
a
cash,
stop
an
interaction
with
a
during
a
field.
An
interrogation
they're
required
to
put
them
on
where
they're
turned
off
is
obviously
on
the
offices
free
time,
but
also
if
we
come
across
a
domestic
violence,
we
don't
want
that
on
video,
that's
people's
private
lives.
B
If
we
come
to
a
sexual
assault,
we
don't
want
the
videos
that
the
victim
doesn't
want
to
speak
to
us,
and
we
ask
people
when
we're
going
into
their
homes
across
the
threshold,
which
you
know
the
homes,
the
most
private
place
to
be
yeah.
We
advised
them
that
we're
coming
into
the
home.
Do
they
want
the
camera,
and
if
they
don't
want
the
camera,
we
will
usually
shut
it
off
for
them.
B
But
you
know
we
will
put
it
on
in
those
exigent
circumstances
where
we
want
the
interaction
to
be
filmed,
because
we
can't
just
have
it
one
way.
We
have
to
protect
the
public,
but
also
protect,
if
we're
in
a
confrontation
on
the
street,
with
a
group
we're
going
to
put
that
camera
on.
Sometimes
that
brings
the
tension
right
down,
but
also
we
want
to
use
those
two
that
people
know
what
type
of
behavior
was
subject
to,
because
I'm
fortunate
on
the
street
now
a
lot
of
time.
C
They're
generally,
representative
of
the
entire
police
force,
however,
I
mean
that
the
task
at
hand
wasn't
to
necessarily
create
a
sample
of
officers
that
was
representative
of
the
police
force
at
large.
It
was
to
create
a
fair
comparison
between
officers
who
were
wearing
the
cameras
versus
officers
who
weren't
wearing
the
cameras
to
make
sure
there
was
no
systematic
differences,
so
this
would
be
representative
of
officers
in
the
slice
of
the
department
that
participated
in
the
study,
which
would
be
districts,
2,
3,
4,
14,
18.
The
youth
violence
strike
force.
C
B
C
Mean
we
haven't
looked
at
the
the
interaction
data
yet
and
that's
part
of
the
the
part
of
the
analysis
we're
working
on
now
in
terms
of
the
F
iOS,
as
well
as
the
arrest
data
that
we're
receiving.
We
do
have
the
information
for
the
complaints,
but
we
haven't
looked
at
it
just
yet.
We
should
have
that
available
for
our
report.
Come
the
end
of
June.
H
And
in
terms
of
the
attrition
21
officers
out
of
the
hundred
left
for
some
reason-
and
you
had
to
use
the
alternates
and
I
noticed
that
10
of
those
were
assignment
change,
15
for
medical
reasons
and
it
just
seemed
kind
of
a
high
number.
That
fifteen
out
of
the
21
left
for
those
reasons
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
any
more
details
or
specificity
as
to
what
those
reasons
were
and
some
left
as
early
as
nine
days.
B
So
you
know
some
of
those
offices
with
the
cameras
whether
they
use
violent
task
force,
they're
busy
districts
and
so
15
in
the
morning
out
with
injuries,
and
you
know,
as
far
as
the
nine
days
that,
obviously,
if
someone
gets
moved
in
they
get
promoted,
we
have
no
control
over
that
or
if
they
move
into
a
different
assignment.
So
I
can
get
you
more
particular
reasons
why?
But
you
know
over
the
course
of
a
year
for
15
offices
and
the
busiest
districts
go
out.
B
You
know
they
work
at
and
unfortunately,
they're
going
to
get
in
to
situations
where
you
know
whether
they
throw
out
their
shoulder.
They
break
their
fingers
struggling
with
someone
when,
again,
those
are
the
stuff.
Those
are
the
type
of
stuffs.
We
deal
with,
it's
a
it's
a
dangerous
job
and
it
involves
a
lot
of
physical.
They,
you
know
they
are
on
the
street.
No
one
gives
up
easily,
you
know
they
engage
in
a
lot
of
struggles.
H
E
You
talk
about
the
process,
so
we
identified
the
alternative,
alternate
offices
ahead
of
time,
so
we
had
a
list
to
draw
from
so
basically
the
next
shift
as
soon
as
we
could
make
that
switch.
We
did.
The
alternates
had
been
previously
trained,
so
it
was
just
a
matter
of
swapping
one
officer
for
another.
H
A
I
Evening
to
commend
him
and
his
staff,
and
obviously
the
Boston
Police
Department
for
the
great
job
that
they're
doing
so
that
we
don't
find
ourselves
and
see
ourselves
and
watch
ourselves
on
national
news
like
other
jurisdictions
have
and
it's
through
his
leadership
and
his
team's
leadership.
That
I
think
that
were
in
a
pretty
good
position
as
a
city
so
kudos
to
the
commissioner,
obviously
to
our
mayor
and
to
the
team
that
put
together
superintendent
dealer,
you
mentioned
sort
of
a
I
guess,
a
full
employee.
I
You've
mentioned
the
numbers
5
to
7
million
kind
of
threw
it
out
there
that
that's
like
5
to
7
grand
or,
like
maybe
you
know,
50
to
70
grand,
that's
real
dough,
five
to
seven
million,
so
two
million
dollars
swing,
so
I
guess
is
that
full
implementation
for
every
officer,
every
superior
officer,
every
detective
or
is
it
based
on?
What
we
have
is
a
snapshot
of
the
pilot
program.
The
cost
is
ranging
between
five
and
seven
kids.
Maybe
just
put
some
some
substance
between
the
five
to
seven
million
sure
so.
E
E
Upgrading
some
of
the
the
network
infrastructure,
physical
infrastructure,
docking
stations
need
to
be
added
to
the
district,
some
construction
around
that,
as
the
Commissioner
mentioned,
staffing,
is
also
a
prerequisite
around.
You
know
making
a
reviewing
video
for
public
records
requests,
putting
video
together
for
court
things
like
that
administrative
and
technical
staffing.
I
E
That
that
would
be
a
policy
question.
Basically,
what
happens
in
most
body
camera
implementations
is
the
officer
will
tag
a
video
based
on
the
nature
of
the
incident
and,
depending
on
what
that
tag
is
that
would
place
that
particular
footage
into
a
retention
bucket.
So
if
it
was
related
to
a
homicide,
for
instance,
that
would
be
held
forever.
If
it
was
a,
you
know,
a
littering
arrest
it
might
be
held
for
for
the
duration
of
the
court
and
then
another
ninety
days,
so
those
things
we'd
have
to
configure
the
system.
I
E
One
approach
that
we've
looked
at
is
we
will
need
some
lead
time
for
a
number
of
things,
including
you
know,
procurement,
negotiations,
administrative
ramp
up,
and
things
like
that,
so
it
would
seem
to
be
one.
One
approach
would
be
to
do
this
in
a
phased
manner,
have
some
lead
time
and
then
look
at.
Maybe
you
know
six
months
down
the
road
start
to
implement
a
limited
number
of
the
districts
and
then
ramp
up
from
there
as
we
go.
Okay.
I
One
of
the
things
I
saw
as
an
assistant
DA,
was
that
more
often
than
not
at
a
crime
scene,
someone
will
walk
up
to
a
police
officer
or
a
detective
and
kind
of
give
him
the
all.
That
was
the
guard
on
the
Reg
and
you're
driving
a
ghoul
caveny.
What
and
they
walk
away.
They
want
to
be
involved
in
it,
but
they
at
least
give
you
some
lead
a
tip
to
kind
of
stop
the
process.
I
Almost
immediately
after
a
situation
but
kind
of
don't
want
to
be
anywhere
near,
you
know
a
court
proceeding
or
a
police
repletion
point,
but
they
could
give
you
some
very
vital
and
some
very
critical
information
and
the
very
onset
of
a
crime
and
I
didn't
know
whether
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
you
have
that
data
collection.
That
indicates
that
that
that
person
coming
up
and
kind
of
given
you
the
straight
scoop
immediately
thereafter,
that's
been
diminished.
You
know
so
three
sort
of
three
questions
from
the
data
that
you
have
right
now.
E
E
The
video
cam
footage
has
been
used
regularly
in
court.
You
know
the
officer
is
wearing
the
body.
Cameras
have
been
supplying
the
video
to
the
court,
so
I,
don't
know
how
many
cases,
but
you
know
considerable
amount
of
cases
have
been
supported
by
a
body.
Camera
footage
as
far
as
cost
savings
again
hard
to
measure
with
the
small
numbers
in
the
pilot,
but
we
do
have
two
iad
cases
that
we
know
officer
was
wearing
a
body.
E
I
Good
and
then
just
finally
just
threw
the
chair-
and
this
will
be
really
important
through
our
budget
process.
In
terms
of
that,
that's
five
to
seven
million.
That's
a
pretty
big
swing!
It's
a
two
million
dollar
swing,
so
as
you're
getting
more
data,
maybe
that
kind
of
gets
that
the
costs
may
be
kind
of
get
sharpened
a
little
bit.
But
is
that
going
to
be
coming
out
of
the
existing
BPD
budget?
Or
is
this
something
that's
going
to
require
additional
funds
from
the
administration
in
the
council
through
our
budget
process?
I
And
if
that's
the
case,
if
it's
gonna
be
new
and
additional
funds,
then
those
are
real
numbers
that
I
need
to
see
and
and
it
not
and
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
deal
with
it.
Sort
of
a
two
million
dollar
swing.
We're
gonna
relate
the
zoning
as
to
what
that
number
is
for
for
the
all
in
for
the
1500
plus
the
maintenance
repair,
the
and
all
the
stuff
that
goes
with
it.
So
we're.
E
We're
currently
in
discussion
with
the
Budget
Office
on
on
the
costs
related
to
body
cameras
and
an
implementation
and
I,
don't
know
what
will
come
out
of
those
discussions,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we're
looking
at
a
if
we
did
a
phased
implementation.
We
would
look
for
a
placeholder
of
about
1.9
million.
Okay.
I
J
A
chair
and
I
also
wanted
to
echo
my
gratitude
to
councillor
Campbell
for
also
initiating
this.
This
conversation
I
had
a
couple,
questions
and
I.
Don't
know
some
of
them
may
be
better
directed
toward
the
commissioner
who's.
Not
here
so
I
might
just
go
ahead
and
make
this
statement,
and
you,
let
me
know
if
you
can,
if
you
have
the
information
for
them,
I'm
particularly
curious
about
the
incidences
of
the
camera
not
being
activated
at
all
in
your
prime
and
your
core
group
of
folks.
Did
you
have
that
happen?.
E
J
Yep,
there
are
certain
policies,
as
the
Commissioner
mentioned,
when
it
comes
to
domestic
violence
and
entering
some
people's
homes,
where
the
public
has
the
option
to
say
no
I
don't
want
the
camera
in
her
in
my
home
and
in
those
incidences
only
the
cam,
the
police
officers
turn
the
camera
off.
Yes,.
E
In
a
entering
a
dwelling,
the
officer
is
obligated
to
announce
that
they're,
wearing
and
recording,
and
if
the
person
in
the
dwelling
any
person
in
that
dwelling
states
that
they
don't
want
the
recording
on
the
officers
obligated
to
discontinue
the
recording,
the
only
exception
being
if
an
exigent
situation
arises,
that
the
officer
can
elect
to
reactivate
the
camera.
So.
J
E
The
only
way
we'd
know
is
if
we
did
spot
checks
and
we
do-
we
did
through
the
pilot
to
random
spot
checks
for
compliance
with
policy,
and
our
auditing
Department
has
some
of
that
information,
but
they
have
not
published
their
report.
Yet
we
expect
that
at
about
the
same
time
as
we
have
the
final
report,
so.
J
When
this
rolls
and
by
the
way,
I'll
go
on
record,
saying,
based
on
what
the
Commissioner
mentioned
and
some
of
the
studies
proving
I,
think
actually
some
positive,
more
positives
and
negatives,
the
biggest
negative
being
potential
cost
I'm
fully
supportive
of
expanding
this
throughout
the
police
department.
But
in
that
full
expansion
is,
are
you
going
to
have
structurally
within
the
program
a
way
to
followup
on
on
cameras
that
are
turned
off,
or
is
it
just
going
to
always
be
random
and
trying
to
find
who
turned
off
their
camera?.
E
We
it's
a
kind
of
a
difficult
situation
and
just
for
the
pilot
we
had,
you
know
almost
40,000
videos
so
and
to
watch
a
video
who
requires
someone
to
watch
in
real-time,
there's
no
real
sort
of
way
to
compress
that.
So
we
rely
on
sort
of
a
random
selection
of
compliance
oversight
and
that's
probably
the
model
that
we'll
be
looking
at.
Based
on
available
staffing
with.
J
Regards
to
the
videos
and
then
privacy,
so
the
Commissioner
had
mentioned
that.
There's
you
or
I
think
you
also
added
to
the
fact
that
you
would
have
to
hire
additional
staff
to
make
sure
that
you
can
comply
with
the
FOIA
requests
that
are
coming
up.
I
just
was
curious
about
the
who
could
stop
a
video
from
coming
out.
I
mean
after
a
FOIA
requests
coming
and
I'm
thinking
immediately
of
the
ever.
J
The
incident
not
here
but
in
Chicago
with
mayor
I,
think
I'm
a
manual
stopping
a
video
most
likely
for
his
own
political
gain
of
a
person
being
shot
several
times
by
a
police
officer
and
then
releasing
it
and
that
how
would
we
stop
a
special
interests
or
a
particular
political
interests
from
preventing
and
camera
footage
going
out?
Well.
E
J
Commissioner
had
mentioned
and
I
think
he'll
probably
be
more
appropriate
to
answer
so
I'll
just
say
this
statement.
The
Commissioner
had
mentioned
the
use
of
drones
and
and
I'm
sure
I.
Don't
think
you
were
expecting
him
to
do
that,
but
in
as
much
as
he
had
mentioned,
the
use
of
drones
being
helpful
being
something
that
the
the
that
they
that
they
help
with
accidents
that
they
help
with
you
know
being
able
to
get
there
faster.
Looking
at
things
after
the
bombing
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
I
would
hope
that
he's
also
open
to
continue
the
conversation
about
how
the
community
is
able
to
check
how
we
are
being
policed
and
being
surveyed.
So
I'd
love
to
see
if
we
couldn't
follow
other
cities
models
such
as
Santa
Barbara,
where
they
have
you
know:
potential
new
surveillance,
information
or
equipment
coming
before
the
City
Council.
At
which
point
we
would
look
at
it
and
then,
as
a
community
agree.
J
This
is
how
we're
willing
to
be
surveyed
so
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
as
well
before
we
look
at
all
the
different
ways
of
looking
at
us
that
we're
part
of
that
conversation
and
that
we
look
at
that
with
the
book
at
an
annual
basis
with
our
budget
as
well
just
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
the
statistical
data
I'm,
particularly
and
I'm,
not
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm,
not
catching
what
you're
saying
when
you
say
you,
you
you're
a
comparative
sample,
I'm
gonna,
be
just
very
direct.
J
C
So
we
we
took
the
group
of
officers
who
were
in
those
five
districts
and
in
the
youth
violence
strike
force
who
were
working.
Those
two
shifts
the
nation
in
the
first
half
shift
right
and
all
of
the
officers
who
are
in
assignments
where
they're
actually
providing
police
services,
not
administrative
assignments.
J
H
H
J
C
C
J
C
Mean
the
only
way
you'd
be
able
to
glean
that
would
be
through
some
of
the
interviews
that
Jack's
been
doing
with
the
community
to
get
a
sense
for
the
prevalence
of
that
because,
for
the
statistical
analysis,
were
reliant
on
the
data
that
that's
available
and
that's
just
the
complaint.
Data
as
it
is,
and
the
use
of
force
data
as
the
Boston
Police
keeps
it
and.
J
C
J
J
J
So
he
was
part
of
the
pilot,
the
pilot
program,
attended
by
the
time
he
had
done
this
and
someone
else
caught
him
on
their
cell
phone.
Yes,
okay,
so
again,
another
indication
of
why
I
really
support
having
body
cameras.
It's
a
unfortunate
that
his
he
was
out
of
the
program
when
this
happened
and
then
just
in
light
of
the
protracted
negotiations
with
the
Union
to
have
a
strong
policy
for
the
pilot
program.
What's
I
guess,
what's
the
overall
plan
to
ensure
adoption
of
a
strong
policy
with
comprehensive
privacy
protections?
J
E
So
the
policy
development
piece
we
we
do
have
for
the
pilot
we
put
together
a
policy
that
we
worked
with
the
social
justice
task
force
to
develop,
and
we
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
community
groups,
and
so
we
would
extend
that.
We
would
take
any
lessons
learned
from
the
pilot
and
extend
the
existing
policy
into
a
full
implementation.
E
J
F
Mosy
piece
that
did
come
up
quite
a
bit
during
the
community
meetings
and
discussions
related
to
body
cameras,
particularly
around
privacy,
and
we
reviewed
several
different
policies
and
adopted
language
from
some
of
the
ACL
u--'s
language
around
privacy
to
incorporate
that
into
the
policy
and
some
of
the
other
activists
as
well.
Some
of
their
language.
The
department
did
adopt
some
of
that
and
I
think
that's
critical
to
know
too
and.
D
Just
one
of
the
follow-up
to
that
quickly,
council-fire
teased
point
one
of
the
places
where
their
cameras
supposed
to
be
turned
off
is
if
a
confidential
informant
comes
forward
and
tries
to
give
you
information.
So
that's
part
of
the
policy
that,
if
that
happened
as
he
was
describing-
and
someone
came
up
with
a
crime
scene
and
said
that
game
would
not
be
active
in
three
consoles.
K
Thank
you,
mr.
chairman
gentlemen,
Thank
You
superintendent,
no
I
think
this
is
great.
How
we've
done
this
in
the
city
of
Boston,
this
pilot
program,
I,
think
a
president
Campbell
for
said
two
years
of
a
year
of
these
meetings
and
leading
this
and
getting
us
to
this
point.
So
it's
it's
much
appreciated.
It's
a
huge
service,
I
think
to
both
the
police
department
and
the
people.
The
city
of
Boston
and
I'm
encouraged
to
hear
that
especially
relative
to
other
departments
that
you
know
we
start
off
with
a
low
baseline.
K
You
know
I,
think
of
use
of
force
of
complaints
and
that
sort
of
fits
in
with
a
lot
of
the
data,
anecdotal
and
otherwise
in
research
base
that
we
see
about
the
Boston,
Police,
Department
I.
Think
the
men
and
women
do
a
great
job
and
comes
down
to
training,
and
it
comes
down
to
leadership
and
I
appreciate
that
I'm.
K
Having
said
that,
I
do
think,
there's
a
real
need
to
expand
this
program
and
know
knowing
that
you
know
the
way
I
and
many
of
my
constituents
and
and
others
interact
with
the
police
department
may
be
different
from
different
communities.
People
with
different
backgrounds
and
I
think
it's
important
that
people
feel
safe
on
both
sides
and
I
think
it
sounds
like
our
police
officers
are
well
served
by
these
cameras,
as
well
as
members
of
the
community
and
making
sure
that
people
are
feeling
better
and
more
comfortable
as
weighing
the
privacy
concerns
and
I
guess.
K
This
is
sort
of
an
acid
answered
already,
but
I'd
like
to
drill
down
a
little
bit,
and
perhaps
it
needs
to
happen
through
community
meetings,
as
opposed
to
you
know
just
numbers
and
statistics,
but
are:
is
there
a
sense
that
folks
in
our
neighborhoods
are
generally
more
comfortable,
they
feel
safer?
They
feel
better.
With
these
cameras
on
I,
don't
know
if
that
goes
to
your
superintendent
or
you,
gentlemen,
about
the
research
aspect
of
it.
You
know,
that's
I,
think
that's
the
ultimate
goal
here.
K
D
The
community
group
meetings
that
I've
been
at
people
do
feel
safer.
They
they
do
feel
better
about
the
interactions
with
with
the
police,
and
you
know
in
general,
there
are
some
it's
not
a
hundred
percent,
but
more
that
the
majority
of
folks
feel
that
this
is
better
for
policing
and
it's
better
for
their
interactions
and
increased
trust
in
the
police.
K
So
I
guess
you
know,
given
my
outstanding
colleagues
here,
most
of
the
questions
I
had
were
asked.
I
have
one
one
more
and
then
well
maybe
two
more.
We
often
have
talked
about
in
the
context
of
this
dashboard
cameras
and
police
cars
Boston.
We
don't
have
them
now
whether
this
they
certainly
don't
need
to
be
mutually
exclusive.
But
what's
our
what's
our
feeling
on
that?
E
Actually,
the
feeling
is
that
they
they
need
to
be
coupled
together,
that
you
cannot
have
two
different
sort
of
platforms
that
doing
the
same
thing:
one
gathering
information
from
a
body
camera
the
other
one
from
a
car
if
they're,
basically
producing
the
same
thing,
so
you
need
the
same
back
and
everything
working
together,
so
I
think
it's
just
a
question
of
setting
the
priorities.
I.
Think
body
cameras
is
the
thing
we're
looking
at
most
closely
now,
but
any
other
any
other.
You
know,
video
collection
device
should
be
part
of
the
same
system
and.
K
I
do
think
this.
This
hearing
and
ones
like
it
are
helpful
I.
You
know
I
think
it's
regrettable
that
in
many
instances
we
feel
like
people
are
being
pitted
against
each
other.
In
this
discussion,
I
think
we
share
the
same
goals.
I
think
we
have
a
great
Police,
Department
and
I
think
you
know.
Community
relations
are
better
than
in
many
other
comparable
cities.
K
You
know,
having
said
that,
I
do
experience
the
city
of
Boston,
you
know
as
an
individual
as
Who
I
am,
as
you
know,
a
white
able-bodied
male
who
usually
in
a
suit,
so
I
may
be
interacting
with
police
and
others
much
different
than
other
people
in
the
city
of
Boston
residents
and
visitors.
So
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that
and
make
sure
that
you
know
we
are
working
together
thoughtfully
to
make
the
city
safer
and
more
equitable
for
everyone.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work.
K
L
E
Yes,
we
had
two
different
vendors
come
in
and
we
kind
of
split
it
right
down
the
middle
both
had
strengths
and
weaknesses,
technical
offerings
operationally.
You
know
both
worked
the
way
they
were
advertised,
but
you
know
we're
gonna,
do
a
deeper
dive
into
performance,
technical
performance,
reliability
and
things
like
that
before
you
make
any
decision
on
a
procurement
and.
L
Then,
considering
that,
were
there
any
survey,
results
or
information
from
police
officers
who
wore
the
body
cameras
as
to
the
preferable
model
and,
to
you
know,
comfort,
ease-of-use
ability
to
turn
on
or
turn
off,
but
then
also
you
know,
were
they
secure
to
their
uniform?
Were
they
you
know
a
distraction
or
got
in
the
way
of
performing
duties?
Yes,.
E
L
M
You
mr.
chairman
Thank
You
president
campbell
for
your
leadership
on
this,
and
to
my
colleagues
I
will
be
brief.
Thank
you.
Also.
All
the
activists
who
are
here
particularly
Segen,
who
used
to
work
here
who's,
been
a
real
leader
on
this
glad
to
be
with
you.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
your
great
work.
I
think
we
have
the
best
police
force
not
only
in
the
country
and
the
world
and
I
think
this
truly
is
the
city
where
community
policing
was
born
and
was
done
exceptionally
well
and
I
could
go
on
and
on
so
I
appreciate.
M
Your
leadership
and
I
also
think
that
this
process
really
led
by
councillor
Campbell
in
her
capacity.
As
for
the
former
Public
Safety
chair
before
council
McCarthy
and
someone
who
has
been
a
great
advocate
for
this,
as
once
again
exemplified
what
the
Boston
way
means
as
it
relates
to
public
safety
and
police
and
making
sure
that
we
have.
Some
may
have
argued
that
this
was
a
slower
roll
out
and
I
think
there's
some
merit
to
that,
but
it
was
done
deliberately
and
it
was
done
well
so
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
M
I
think
the
Commissioner
brought
up
the
point.
I
think
he
was
citing
Las
Vegas
as
folks
officers
felt
that
they
couldn't
give
breaks
to
kids
if
someone's
pulled
over,
for
example,
for
speeding
or
something
made.
That
was
something
an
unintended
consequence,
but
I
guess:
wouldn't
there
be
certain
discretion
that
they
couldn't
an
officer
I,
don't
know
I
just
I
fit.
That
worries
me
too,
because
that
is
a
pretty
compelling
argument
he
made,
but
I
also
feel
that
that
might
actually
help
things.
E
It's
something
that's
hard
to
measure,
but
I
think
what
the
Commissioner
was
getting
at
as
the
officers
use
discretion
on
a
day-to-day
basis
or
sometimes
that
discretion
might
be
that
they
would
make
a
value
judgment
and
give
someone
a
break
and
not
worry
about
being
second-guessed
about
that.
Just
kind
of
follow
their
heart,
we're
wearing
a
body
camera.
They
might
take
a
more
technical
view
of
the
use
of
discretion
and
I
guess.
M
I
sort
of
see
it
but
I
do
think
I,
don't
know,
I
think
there.
The
two
ought
not
be
mutually
exclusive
officers
officers
giving
breaks
and
also
having
the
boy
wearing
a
body
cam.
Secondly,
there
was
another
someone
had
brought
up
concerned
that
maybe
councillor
Flaherty
or
one
of
you
had
brought
up.
You
know
the
concern
of
people
being
unwilling
to
talk
to
an
officer
because
of
that
wouldn't
an
officer
have
the
the
discretion
to
turn
the
camera
off
in
a
situation
like
that,
just
as
they
would
going
into
someone's
home.
E
Depending
on
the
circumstances,
we
don't
want
to
give
too
much
latitude
to
the
officers
to
just
turn
the
camera
off,
but
we
want
to
sort
of
give
specific
circumstances
that
a
common
sense
that
would
allow
them
to
be
able
to
use
the
discretion
to
turn
the
camera
off
yeah.
And
if
it
was
a
case
of
an
informant
or
someone
who
you
might
put
at
risk,
they
could
turn
it
off,
but
the
other
remedy
would
be
that
they
would
still
be
wearing
the
physical
camera.
And
you
know
the
interaction
was
recorded.
M
E
M
E
Charge
again,
depending
on
the
models,
the
technology
gets
better
yeah,
but
it
it
usually
goes
into
its
base
station
to
do
two
things
to
charge
overnight
and
to
upload
any
video
that
it
has,
and
so
it'll
be
there
for
the
full
two
shifts.
The
officer
is
not
working,
it
will
but
they
charge
in
a
much
shorter.
E
M
E
Could
do
that
it
would
save.
Some
money
probably
would
be
logistically
challenging
to
make
sure
that
the
right
camera
went
to
the
right
person
every
day
and
on
the
other
hand,
the
costs
are
more
on
the
backend
for
storage,
yeah
platform
support.
So
I
think
you
know,
a
cost-benefit
analysis
might
show
that
that
you
would
might
save
some
money,
but
you
might
not
save
enough
to
make
it
worth
your
while.
M
M
And
then
it
would
be
significantly
less
if
it
was
phased
and
I
think
the
Commissioner
was
saying:
may
perhaps
you
were
saying
so
to
do
start
it
roll
it
off
and
more
heavily
trafficked
stations,
yes,
okay,
and
how
much
of
that
had.
So
it
still
has
to
be
collectively
bargained
for
an
officer
to
wear
it.
Yes,
if
we
were
to
change
the
colors
of
the
police
officer's
uniform,
would
that
have
to
be
collectively
bargained.
M
Because
I
would
I
guess
I
mean
I,
think
there's
been
some
I,
think
you're
hearing
more
and
more
support
of
this
idea
and
I
would
certainly
among
the
officer
friends
of
mine
as
well,
and
certainly
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
today.
So
I
guess
so
what
why
is
this
different?
Why
is
it
a
change
of
the
uniform,
different
I
I
understand?
It
is,
of
course
it's
different,
but
why
couldn't?
Why?
E
M
A
You
very
much
councillor
Malley,
so
just
a
couple
protocol
issues,
the
new
hearing
we
passed
the
rules
in
January,
actually
January
1st,
that
we're
gonna
allow
testimony
from
the
public
before
our
second
round.
That
way
they
don't
have
to
sit
around
and
wait
all
day,
because
some
people
have
to
get
home
we're
actually
at
work.
So
we
don't
want
to
keep
people
there
as
long
as
they
need
to
so
there's
three
people
so
far,
who've
signed
up
to
testify:
Christopher
Lucy,
Charu,
Verma
and
Rachel
Rawlins.
So
there's
two
microphones.
A
There
I'd
also
like
to
put
on
the
record
that
I
did
receive
a
letter
from
Ayanna
Presley
city
councilor
at
lodge
the
gist
of
is
that
she
regrets
to
said
she
could
not
be
here.
She
has
a
long-standing
scheduling
conflict,
but
she
does
want
to
thank
the
chair
and
the
author
of
the
order
for
continuing
the
conversation.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
the
Boston
Police
Department.
A
Their
participation
she'd
also
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
reiterate
that,
for
her
support
for
full
implementation
of
body,
worn
camera
program
for
Boston,
Police
Department,
so
I
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record,
and
then
I
also
got
a
text
message
from
our
ways
and
means
chair,
mark
co-moh,
who's
home
with
the
flu,
but
he
is
watching
so
mark.
I
hope
you
feel
better,
and
his
question
was
he's
always
on
the
money.
A
E
N
Good
afternoon
steamed
members
of
the
City
Council
members
of
the
panel
members
of
the
department,
some
of
whom
have
left
Commissioner
Evans
police,
warn
body
cams,
are
powerful
tools.
I
think
somebody
else
has
recounted
that
today,
here
in
this
chamber,
that
can
convey
benefits
on
law
enforcement
jurisprudence
and
community
relations.
But
one
of
the
most
important
factors
in
their
use
is
standards
and
policies
for
the
information
and
the
data
that
they
collect
after
they
collect
it
and
during
the
process
of
collecting
it
and
two
things
that
I
want
to
make
remark
of.
N
The
one
the
case
that
one
of
the
councillors
mentioned
was
the
Chicago
case,
where
I
think,
if
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
that
mayor
Emanuel
was
ordered
to
release
the
video
by
the
court,
and
he
did
that
reluctantly.
If
I
remember
reading
the
at
the
news
reports
correctly
on
that.
So
those
are
the
two
points
that
I
want
to
make
today.
N
With
regards
to
I
know,
there
were
discretionary
and
budgetary
issues,
I'm
sure
that
you
will
be
discussing
some
of
these
policy
and
standard
issues
and
your
deliberations
there
may
be
state
law
that
also
eventually
addresses
these
things.
I
know
they're.
There
works
in
the
foot
on
Beacon
Hill
in
that
regard
and
that
I
hope
that
you
will
take
all
of
these
matters
under
serious
consideration
in
your
deliberations
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
today
is
the
resident
of
the
city.
Thank
you
for
taking
us
thank.
O
My
name
is
Charu
Varma
I
work
for
the
committee
for
public
council
services
as
a
full-time
public
defender,
but
I'm
actually
here
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
Massachusetts
Bar
Association
criminal
reform
or
criminal
justice
reform
working
group.
It's
kind
of
a
clunky
title,
but
it's
a
group
that's
composed
comprised
of
the
criminal
justice
section
at
the
Massachusetts
Bar
Association,
which
I
am
on
and
then
the
civil
rights
section
which,
and
so
we
compiled
actually
brought
a
report.
O
I
would
like
to
distribute
to
the
councilmembers
and
I
apologize
for
just
rushing
and
I
was
in
court
all
morning.
So
this
is
a
report
that
we
actually
was
endorsed
by
the
House
of
Delegates,
the
Massachusetts
Bar
Association.
If
I
could
draw
your
attention
specifically
to
Section
four
and
five,
it
is
a
resolution
that,
as
I
said,
that
was
adopted
unanimously
by
the
House
of
Delegates
in
support
of
a
resolution
in
support
of
body
cameras.
O
It's
important
to
note
that
these
resolutions
were
unanimously
approved
by
the
Massachusetts
Bar
Association's
House
of
Delegates.
The
House
of
Delegates
is
comprised
of
leaders
from
County
and
minority
bars
from
across
the
state
and
contains
a
very
diverse
legal
and
geographic
viewpoints.
The
fact
that
the
House
of
Delegates
stood
united
in
support
of
these
resolutions
with
no
dissent
speaks
volumes,
I
think
to
the
adoption
of
body
cameras,
starting
with
resolution
five,
which
is
on
page
24,
which
supports
the
police
use
of
body-worn
cameras.
O
O
We
urged
the
council
and
any
legislative
legislators
to
provide
the
funding
necessary
to
implement
this
program
and
we
feel
strongly
that
now
is
the
time
to
adopt
something
like
body
worn
cameras.
I
did
have
a
chance
to
review
the
report
that
we
were
is
being
testified
about
today.
One
of
the
concerns
that
the
committee
has
is
that
the
some
of
the
statistical
vectors
are
very
narrow
in
terms
of
just
looking
at
citizen,
police
complaints
and
things
like
that.
We
think
that
if
you
actually
broaden
out
some
of
the
data
points,
there
might
be
more
information.
O
That's
provided,
rather
than
some
of
the
small
statistical
differences
that
were
presented
in
the
report.
We
also
think
that
the
use
of
body
cameras
can
provide
sort
of
hidden
benefits,
as
well
with
enhanced
data
collection,
enhancing
community
stakeholders
being
a
part
of
the
process
in
implementing
the
use
of
body
cameras,
policies
and
procedures
such
like
that
and
inclusion
of
community
stakeholders
is
a
very
important
part
of
this
process.
O
Another
thing
that
and
I
will
just
finish
with
this:
I've
had
the
opportunity,
through
the
committee,
to
view
some
and
read
decisions
of
some
of
the
body
camera
footage
that
was
presented
and
available.
We
think
that
this
footage
like
this
can
be
dispositive
on
both
sides
of
the
fence,
so
it
isn't
just
for
defense,
attorneys,
I,
think
the
Commonwealth.
O
Our
arguments
on
on
behalf
of
the
Commonwealth
can
also
be
strengthened
by
looking
at
footage
such
as
that,
so
we
would
adopt
and
urge
the
council
to
propose
legislation
that
would
require
the
use
of
body
cameras
for
police
departments
throughout
the
city
and
I
urge
you
to
read
the
report
that
we
provided
all
of
it
in
its
entirety,
because
it's
riveting,
but
specifically
number
four
and
five
I
think
pertained
very
specifically
to
the
hearing
today.
Is
there
any
questions
all.
P
Thank
You
chairman
McCarthy
and
members
Campbell
and
Janie
I'm,
Rachel
Rollins
I'm
here
in
my
capacity
as
the
chair
of
legal
redress
for
the
n-double-a-cp
Boston
branch.
I
want
to
start
by
saying
that
the
branch
has
a
deep
respect
for
law
enforcement
and
the
hard
job
that
they
do
and
I
can
personally
speak
to
the
fact
that
it's
often
thankless
and
that
we
appreciate
the
men
and
women
that
do
the
job
every
day.
P
We
would
like
to
ask
that
you
not
wait
for
the
study
and
that
there's
full
implementation
now
and
ask
that
the
mayor
put
money
in
his
budget
or
the
budget
to
reflect
that
implementation.
I'd
also
like
to
just
state
we've
heard
today
a
lot
about
discretion
and
giving
people
a
break.
This
is
a
good
plug
I
believe
to
say
that
we
really
need
members
of
law
enforcement
and
possibly
even
of
this
panel,
that
better
reflect
to
the
communities
that
the
rich
and
diverse
communities
of
Boston.
P
A
H
Q
R
R
When
we
released
our
report,
black
brown
and
targeted,
we
strongly
urged
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
adopt
a
body-worn
camera
policy
or
program
and
supported
by
strong
privacy
protections
and
a
robust
policy
to
ensure
that
the
information
that
is
captured
within
the
body,
worn
camera
footage,
as
well
as
the
privacy
protections
and
concerns
of
the
residents
of
Boston,
are
well
protected.
It
was
particularly
disturbing
when
that
report
was
initially
released
from
us
that
showed
that
there
were
racial
disparities
in
who
was
stopped
interrogated
observed
and
frisked
by
the
Boston
Police
Department.
R
Despite
only
making
up
24%
of
the
city's
population,
black
people
made
up
63%
of
those
police
civilian
interactions,
and
we
felt
that
it
was
appropriate
at
that
time
that
the
Department
adopted
body
worn
cameras.
It
has
only
since
been
all
the
more
emphasized
through
what
we've
seen
in
national
conversations,
around
policing
and
the
interaction
of
police
with
community
and
the
way
that
body
worn
cameras
serve
as
an
accountability
measure.
Certainly,
by
no
stretch
of
the
imagination
are
they
a
panacea,
but
they
are
a
valuable
tool
to
increase
transparency
and
accountability.
R
As
recently
as
several
weeks
ago,
we've
seen
the
value
of
recording
police
civilian
interactions,
as
was
referenced
not
too
long
ago.
Officer
crocin,
who
was
actually
surprisingly
a
part
of
this
pilot
program,
had
an
interaction
with
a
pedestrian
in
Boston,
a
young
african-american
man,
where
we
saw
a
level
of
interaction
that
verged
on
a
conduct
that
was
questionable
as
to
its
constitutionality,
but
also
raised
some
concerns
around
the
level
of
respect
or
disrespect
shown
to
that
young
man.
R
And
while
there
is
a
tension
between
community
and
police
officers,
we
can
really
get
to
the
heart
of
why
people
are
less
willing
to
engage
with
police.
When
we
see
videos
like
that,
we
are
encouraged
by
the
initial
report.
But
we
look
forward
to
the
full
report
and
has
been,
as
has
been
mentioned
before.
There
is
also
a
need
for
a
broad
array
array
of
metrics
to
evaluate
what
success
actually
looks
like.
Another
thing
that
could
be
considered
is
how
those
how
that
footage
is
impacting
outcomes
of
criminal
cases.
R
S
A
S
Can
get
into
it
good
afternoon
for
the
record,
my
name
is
shigani
whoo,
Hyde,
Park
resident
Oh,
1,
3,
6
I,
don't
know
what
other
information
might
be
needed,
I'm
here
in
my
capacity
as
one
of
the
organizers
of
the
Boston
Police
camera
action,
team
or
BP
cat,
which
has
been
pushing
for
body
cameras
counselors,
like
him
noted
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
maybe
a
year.
This
actually
marks
the
4th
year
that
we've
been
talking
about
body
cameras
in
Boston,
so
how
much
fun
we're?
S
Having
that
we're
here
today,
still
so
I
actually
originally
didn't
intend
on
delivering
testimony
was
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
councillor
Campbell
initiated
this
conversation
again.
Someone
who's
been
pushing
for
this
issue
for
those
ever
since
she
got
the
seat.
So
we
appreciate
that
there
were
just
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
note.
The
first
is
that,
even
though
this
marks
the
4th
year
was
talking
about
body
cameras,
we
are
still
talking
about
whether
or
not
we
should
do
body
cameras
and
I.
Think
that
that
is.
We
should
already
be
at
the
discussion
about
policy.
S
So
a
lot
of
questions
that
came
up
today,
which
again
I
appreciate
all
of
the
councillors,
not
only
who
have
who
are
here
but
those
the
questions
that
you
asked
today,
which
I
thought
were
really
important
and
insightful.
I
was
over
here,
jumping
and
jerking
in
my
seat,
because
I
wanted
to.
You
know
make
sure
that
some
of
these
questions
were
asked
and
so
I
appreciate
that
they
were
asked
today.
S
S
It
would
be
great
for
the
City,
Council
and
other
organizations
that
are
either
represented
here
today
or
not
here
today,
to
begin
reaching
out
to
folks
and
actually
coming
up
with
some
option
for
people
to
you
know,
call
in
or
write
a
note
online
or
something
about
their
experience
with
body
cameras,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
which
groups
were
have
been
interviewed
so
far,
but
it
would
be
great
for
them
to
reach
out
to
other
members
of
the
community.
Just
as
we
have
that
process
for
people
to
deliver,
you
know
to
file
a
complaint
online.
S
They
should
be
able
to
talk
about
their
interactions
with
body
cameras
online
as
well,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
note
is
that
councilor
O'malley
I
appreciated
your
question.
I
my
cell
phone
for
orange
uniforms
for
our
Boston
police
officers,
but
I
look
forward
to
talking
to
Commissioner
Evans
about
that
later
on
so
anyway.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Thank.
A
Q
Did
sign
up
I
correct?
No,
however,
on
the
first
go-round,
if
I
could
my
name
is
Scott
nanny
and
Clifford
Scott
and
I'm,
a
Town
Meeting
member
for
represent
increasing
10
of
Brookline,
which,
as
you
know,
is
surrounded
on
three
sides
by
Boston,
but
has
not
yet
been
annexed
by
it
and
I
introduced
a
warrant
article
for
our
spring
town
meeting
on
implementing
the
ACL
u--'s
c-cups
model
for
our
town.
Our
police
departments
work
together
quite
a
lot
and
decisions
made
by
one
affect
the
other
through
a
formal
information
sharing.
Q
We
also
have
no
body
cameras,
as
of
yet
in
Brookline
no
dashboard
cameras.
As
of
yet
book
9.
We
do
have
traffic
cameras,
which
weren't
mentioned,
but
are
part
of
the
same
sort
of
surveillance
system,
and
my
intention
in
introducing
the
warrant
article
in
Brookline
is
to
establish
this
or
Ford
looking
a
comprehensive
way
for
the
community.
Importantly
to
be
able
to
provide
oversight
on
these
technologies,
and
so
that's
the
the
one
statement
that
I
really
wish
to
make
here.
Do
you
is?
Q
Do
it
encourage
you
to
embrace
the
community
Oversight
Committee
model
that
the
ACLU
and
others
are
recommending
for
the
way
that,
because
I
think
the
details
of
these
policies
ultimately
matter
a
lot?
And
we've
heard
a
lot
about
how
the
details
of
exactly
when
the
officers
turn
on
and
off
their
cameras
and
how
you
check
that
they
are
doing
that
appropriately,
whether
it's
pot
checks
or
other
mechanisms.
I
think
those
details
are
important.
Q
And
lastly,
just
on
a
slightly
light
note,
I
will
note
that
there
are
ways
of
figuring
out
whether
the
sort
of
chilling
effect
is
happening
as
far
as
I
know
and
I'm,
not
an
expert
I
believe
it's
called
the
nose-picking
delay,
which
is
whenever
you're
doing
a
study
with
a
camera
pointed
a
subject.
You
find
out
how
long
it
is
before
they
start
picking
their
nose,
and
that
gives
you
a
rough
estimate
of
when
they'd
forgotten
the
cameras
on
right.
Q
So
I
think
there
are
ways
that,
on
the
academic
side,
as
we
study
body
cameras,
you
can
look
at
maybe
not
that
exact
metric,
but
other
metrics,
like
that,
just
sort
of
figure
out
our
people
actually
aware
being
reticent
because
of
theirs
camera,
that's
pointed
at
them
or
are
they
interacting?
Actually?
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
F
Testified
this
is
always
insightful
to
get
information
from
the
community,
and
I
too,
have
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
I
got
to
the
council
only
a
couple
years
ago.
This
conversation
had
started
way
before
I
got
to
the
council,
so
I
appreciate
the
residents
and
the
folks
have
been
working
on
this,
including
officers
and
the
department
as
well.
F
I'd
have
to
acknowledge
Shakya
who
works
currently
in
my
office,
who
was
the
second
half
of
BP
had
and
did
a
lot
of
work
with
respect
to
this
issue.
I
just
have
two
quick
follow-up
questions
with
respect
to
negotiating
I'm,
assuming
that,
if
we
do
this
and
at
some
point
do
it
full
implementation,
the
other
bargaining
units
will
also
be
participating
in
the
bargaining
related
to
this
particular
issue.
Yes,.
E
F
Then
my
last
question
or
I
guess
is
to
is
it's
for
you
Jack
I
thought
they
should
guns
point
on
having
some
outreach
menorah
for
folks
to
proactively
reach
out
to
you.
If
they
have
thoughts
and
ideas,
we
can
continue
that
but
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
wasn't
sure
I
think
the
social
justice
task
force
talked
about
just
that
doing
it
in
some
creative
way
versus
not
just
going
out
into
meetings
right.
The
only
one
person
or
you
know
so
many
people
on
your
team.
F
D
F
We
can
share
that,
of
course,
through
Council
McCarthy
and
my
colleagues
and
lastly,
I
know
we're
waiting
for
the
final
report
to
come
out
in
June,
based
on
what
I'm
hearing,
based
on
what
you
guys
have
testified
to
today
and
Anthony
as
well.
Do
you
anticipate
the
final
report
changing
anything
in
terms
of
the
list
of
benefits
or
those
suggested
benefits,
we've
already
identified
related
to
body
cameras?
It's.
D
Hard
to
tell
what
the
final
report
will
do,
but
it
will
one
thing
that
it
will
do.
It
will
speak
to
some
of
the
other
indicators
that
people
have
mentioned.
You
know
like.
Has
there
been
deeply
seeing
have
policing
changed?
Has
it
been
changed
in
terms
of
certain
groups,
so
we'll
have
more
information
on
that
and.
G
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
superintendent,
as
it
relates
to
BPD
in
the
community
on
both
sides
of
the
debate.
I
know
the
video
is
only
a
tool
that
will
be
used
to
determine
evidence
in
a
trial.
But
what
would
the
process
be
if
one
side
may
disagree
with
the
video
that
it
didn't
capture
the
entire
scene?
Is
there
some
type
of
an
appeal
process
that
one
side
or
the
other
could
could
weigh
in
on.
E
I'm
not
sure
what
what
circumstances
you
know
there
would
be
an
appeal
within,
but
I
think
you
know,
the
video
from
the
camera
would
speak
for
itself
and
I.
Think
if
we
had
multiple
officers
wearing
video
that
we
would
look
at.
You
know
the
totality
by
pulling
video
from
other
perspectives
or
other
cameras
that
were
available,
and
you
know
getting
as
much
information
about
a
particular
incident
to
you
know
to
fill
in
context
around
anything
that
might
have
been
missing
in
the
video
frame.
G
And
I
know
during
the
term
turn
on
turn
off
of
the
camera.
Can
a
police
officer
use
discretion?
I
know
there
are
some
cases
where
he
could
use
a
discretion
him
or
her
could
use
a
discretion
outside
of
the
reasons
you
would
enact,
using
their
discretion
based
on
their
years
of
service,
their
professionalism
in
what
would
that
type
of
discretion?
G
E
The
the
catch-all
for
discretion
by
the
officer
would
be
an
exigency
where,
if
something
came
up
that
was
so
far
out
of
the
ordinary
that
would
require
either
the
camera
be
turned
on
or
be
turned
off.
But
in
those
cases
you
know
and
after
the
fact
justification
would
be
required,
for
you
know
that
that
mostly
that
non-compliance,
okay
as.
G
E
I
think
the
community
service
officer
would
likely
be
issued
a
body
camera,
and
but
there
are
roles
within
the
police
department
with
using
a
body,
camera
or
wearing
a
body.
Camera
would
not
be
productive.
We
have
officers
who
were
booking
officers.
We
have
officers
who
do
administrative
tasks.
If
someone's
a
community
meeting,
if
they're
not
out
on
patrol
doing
enforcement
work,
there
may
be
circumstances
where
they
would
not
be
required
to
wear
a
body.
Camera
yeah.
G
G
E
E
So
basically,
we
wouldn't
be
paying
for
every
device
to
be
activated
and
reactivated
would
buy
a
package
and
would
would
expect
the
vendor
to
provide
those
end-to-end
services
from
the
docking
station
to
the
camera,
to
the
the
software
to
view
the
the
video
to
the
cloud
service
that
would
store
the
video
and
handle
the
retention.
Now,
that's
the
model
that
a
lot
of
police
departments
looking
at
a
lot
of
vendors
are
moving
to
that
all
in
one
package.
H
H
Some
of
these
have
already
been
answered
by
my
colleagues,
but
so
we
know
the
reports
coming
out
in
June
the
final
report
now
morning,
if
you
could
just
give
a
quick
timeline
of
what
the
next
steps
are,
so
we
hear
that
the
DA's
are
supporting
the
officers
are
on
boards.
Clearly,
the
advocates
here
I
think
their
support
here
among
my
colleagues.
So
what
are
the
next
steps
to
make
this
real?
Just
a
timeline
sure.
E
This
is
assuming
a
decision
is
made
to
move
forward
and,
assuming
that
budget
allocation
is
made
to
provide
the
funds
to
move
forward,
we
anticipate
that,
probably
for
the
first
half
of
the
next
fiscal
year,
that
we
would
begin
a
procurement
process
which
could
involve
a
request
for
proposals,
evaluation
process
and,
at
the
same
time
we
would
also
be
having
conversations
with
the
unions
and
working
out
some
of
the
administrative
issues
that
we,
you
know
would
have
to
resolve
before
an
implementation.
And
you
know
with
all
that
in
mind.
A
All
right,
I
think
that'll
that'll
wrap
it
up
before
we
close
up
toid.
You
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
Boston
Public
Schools
are
closed
tomorrow,
boss,
the
sentence
for
youth
and
family
there's
also
closed
tomorrow
and
the
packing
ban
to
Southside
at
7
o'clock.
So
as
far
as
docket
number
0-1-6-0
order
for
a
hearing
to
review
the
Boston
Police
Department's
body
on
camera
pilot
program.
Preliminary
study
results
like
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here.
This
hearing
is
adjourned.