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From YouTube: Committee on Civil Rights on March 30, 2021
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Docket #0165 - Hearing to discuss ways for the City to prevent and investigate incidents of hate crimes and discrimination
B
B
B
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing
virtually
via
zoom.
This
enabled
the
city
this.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibility
while
adhering
to
public
health,
accommodations
and
ensuring
public
access
to
its
deliberations
throughout
through
adequate
alternative
means.
This
public
hearing
is
being
recorded.
It
is
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
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council,
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broadcast
it
on
xfinity
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8,
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82
and
files
channel
964.
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for
public
testimony.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc
dot
civil
rights
at
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
0165
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
ways
the
city
for
the
city
to
prevent
and
investigate
incidents
of
hate
crimes
and
discrimination.
B
Kinsgaard
from
the
civil
rights
unit,
alvandro
cavaro,
executive
director
of
human
rights
commission
also
available
for
questions
are
superintendent,
paul,
donovan,
chief
of
bureau
of
investigative
services,
detective
joseph
tess
from
the
civil
rights
unit.
We
are
also
joined
by
advocates,
including
lisa
lee,
the
executive
director
of
be
it
aid,
bethany
lee
asian
outreach
unit,
greater
boston,
legal
services,
suzanne
lee
president
chinese
progressive
association.
B
We
are
also
joined
by
abigail
taylor,
chief
of
civil
rights,
division
for
the
office
of
attorney
general
haley.
What
a
lineup
I
will
also
I'll.
I
will
now
recognize
my
colleagues
for
opening
statements,
starting
with
the
sponsors
before
moving
to
concerts
and
counselors
in
order
of
arrival
counselor
flynn.
You
now
have
the
floor.
A
And
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
me
here
for
sharing
this
hearing
into
councillors.
Campbell
in
edwards,
for
their
partnership
as
well
and
council
of
wu
has
done
a
lot
of
work
in
this
field
as
well.
I
want
to
thank
the
boston,
police
and
the
city
of
city,
boston
officials
that
are
here
with
us
and
the
community
activists
I
see
throughout
the
asian
community
that
I
work
with
almost
on
a
on
a
daily
basis
when
the
covert
covert
19
pandemic
hit
about
a
year
ago.
A
A
A
So
we
tried
to
continue
to
work
with
the
residents
in
with
the
asian
community,
especially
you
know
to
make
sure
that
they
are
treated
with
respect.
They
are
treated
with
dignity
and
there
are
city
services
available
here
to
help
them,
including
the
police,
including
the
human
rights
commission,
that
I
think,
could
play
a
critical
role
in
investigating
hate
crimes,
discrimination,
bullying,
making
sure
that
our
asian
brothers
and
sisters
are
treated
fairly.
A
I'll.
Just
tell
one
quick
story
of
the
office
opportunity
to
serve
25
years
in
the
u.s
navy
in
various
locations
and
in
my
time
in
service,
I
served
with
many
asians
many
immigrants,
and
here
they
are
willing
to
put
their
life
on
their
line
for
for
our
country
and,
at
the
same
time,
the
asian
men
and
women
would
come
back
to
the
united
states
and
and
be
bullied
and
be
in
and
be
beat
up
or
intimidated,
treated
with
very
disrespect.
A
After
the
after
the
asian
community
built
after
the
chinese
community
built
the
transcontinental
railroad,
the
u.s
enacted
immigration
policies
that
would
outlaw
the
chinese
from
coming
into
the
united
states.
So
this
this
anti-asian
bigotry
has
always
been
in
this
country,
it's
more
prevalent
and
prominent
today,
but
as
a
city
as
a
country.
I
don't
think
we're
doing
enough
to
address
this
issue.
I
think
the
human
rights
commission
can
play
a
critical
role
in
working
with
the
boston
police
and
investigating
crimes
prosecuting
crimes
working
with
the
police
working
with
the
attorney
general.
A
But
I
think
this
is
a
top
priority
and
it
needs
the
tension
and
the
resources,
because
it's
a
critical
issue
facing
our
our
residents
of
our
city,
especially
those
in
the
asian
community.
Having
said
that,
thank
you
again
to
the
panelists
for
being
here,
the
co-sponsors
and
the
city
officials.
Thank
you.
Councillor,
mejia.
D
Okay,
that's
better
technical
difficulties,
hi
everyone,
first
of
all
good
afternoon
to
each
and
every
one
of
you,
and
I,
of
course
want
to
first
thank
my
co-sponsors,
councillor
flynn
and
councillor
edwards,
not
only
for
your
partnership,
but
your
continued
leadership.
I
also
want
to
thank
you,
council
mejia,
as
well,
for
sharing
this
hearing
and
making
sure
that
we
got
a
date
on
the
books
relatively
quickly.
D
This
conversation,
as
we
all
know,
is
sadly
timely,
but
critically
important
after
the
recent
murders
in
georgia
of
several
folks,
including
six
asian
women,
as
well
as
the
beginning
of
the
trial
of
the
minneapolis,
a
police
officer
responsible
for
killing
george
floyd.
I
can't
think
of
a
more
appropriate
time
for
us
to
be
asking
the
tough
questions
around
what
we
can
do
here
in
the
city
of
boston
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
community
residents
are
protected
and
feel
safe
in
this
city.
D
The
threats,
violence
and
murders
of
unarmed
black
men
and
women,
and
the
growing
violence
and
continued
violence
against
our
asian-american
residents
in
both
the
u.s
and
our
own
city,
of
course,
must
be
addressed.
These
growing
attacks
will
not
go
away
on
their
own.
We
must
do
everything
we
can
to
create
a
city
that
is
free
of
hate
and
harm
and,
frankly,
do
the
really
hard
work
of
addressing
racism
and
a
painful
history.
You
often
don't
want
to
talk
about
that,
create
these
incidences
and
perpetuate
inequities
in
communities
of
color.
D
It's
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
also
raise
awareness
of
the
fact
that
hate
crimes
continue
to
exist
in
this
country
and
in
this
city
I
know
post
the
georgia
incidents.
There
were
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
city
of
boston
who
were
shocked
to
learn
about
the
increasing
and
attacks
against
our
asian
brothers
and
sisters
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
I
was
really
grateful
to
the
leadership
of
many
in
my
own
district
that
I
currently
represent,
which
is
district
4
for
the
work.
D
They
have
continued
to
do
to
push
the
city
to
have
focus
on
these
issues
and,
of
course,
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
aware
of
the
work
that
they're
still
left
to
do.
We
know
too
well
that
our
communities,
especially
communities
of
color,
are
being
targeted
for
hateful
rhetoric,
hateful
actions,
violence,
discrimination
at
every
level.
D
And
I
said,
as
at
a
hearing
just
yesterday,
it
had
to
do
with
coven,
19
and
vaccinations
really
appreciate
the
leadership
of
folks
who
are
intentional
in
bringing
together
communities
of
color,
and
for
me
that
is
black
brown
and
our
asian
brothers
and
sisters,
and
not
continuing
to
work
in
silos,
because,
sadly,
we
know
that
there
are
some
inequities
in
the
city
of
boston.
There
are
far
worse
in
the
asian
community,
including
within
the
education
context
that
often
doesn't
get
lifted
up
so
excited.
For
this
conversation.
Thank
you
to
the
panelists.
B
E
You
again,
I
echo
my
colleagues
thanks
to
my
co-lead
sponsors
on
this
and
also
to
you,
chairwoman,
mejia,
for
hosting
this
important
conversation.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
also
ground
this
in
what
exactly
we're
talking
about
when
we
say
what
is
a
hate
crime
and
why
are
we
specifically
focused
on
those
kinds
of
crimes?
Of
course
people
are
injured,
people
die
and
people
are
caused
pain
by
all
criminal
activity
and
certainly
if
it
results
in
death.
But
why
specifically,
do
we
need
to
talk
about
hate
crimes?
E
And
it's
because
for
me
at
least
it's
not
that
the
hate
crime,
it's
it's
more
than
the
individual,
that
becomes
a
victim
in
a
hate
crime
when
someone
targets
a
particular
individual
because
of
their
group
or
who
they
are,
whether
it's
because
they're,
gay
or
lesbian
because
of
their
religion
because
of
their
race
because
of
their
accent
because
of
where
they're
from
it
is
a
target
towards
the
group.
The
injury
is
meant
to
go
towards
the
entire
group
of
those
individuals.
You
are
not
welcome
here.
You
are
not
as
good
as
me.
E
You
shouldn't
be
able
to
buy
this
home
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
that
is
why
it's
so
important
that
we
have
a
collective
conversation.
Then,
when
we
talk
about
hate
crimes
that
they
are
different
and
how
we
investigate
them,
they
are
different
and
how
we
make
sure
the
community
feels
comfortable
to
come
to
our
authorities
and
and
that
we
create
really
inclusive
pipelines.
For
that
to
happen.
They
are
different
and
noticing
the
patterns
when
they
are
happening
so
that
we
don't
take
them
as
individuals.
E
I've
been
on
the
side
of
having
to
represent
immigrants
and
one
who
was
a
victim
of
a
hate
crime
and
when
I
first
started
actually
in
laws
at
a
law
firm.
In
one
of
my
pro
bono
cases,
working
with
lawyers
committee
for
civil
rights
was
a
young
asian
man
who
was
chased
down
by
four
white
men
from
unfortunately,
south
boston
chased
down
had
slammed
into
the
concrete
and
abused
simply
because
of
who
he
was
now.
They
assumed
that
he
was
not
from
here.
E
He
was
technically
not
from
boston,
but
he
was
actually
from
st
louis
and
he
was
targeted
and-
and
I
got
to
see
all
aspects
of
this-
the
failure.
I'm
in
part
for
he
felt
valued
by
local
law
enforcement,
then
the
investigation
that
happened
did
result
actually
in
finding
those
men.
So
I
will
say
that,
but
I
will
say
the
one
part
where
I
felt
that
he
he
particularly
was
dismissed
is
in
the
healing
when
we
finally
got
to
sit
down-
and
this
is
a
rare
moment-
sit
down.
E
Look
at
each
one
of
those
individuals
eye
to
eye
face
to
face
all
the
same
table
remediation
at
which
point
the
judge
just
basically
said.
Well
how
much
money
do
you
want
and
then
just
end
this,
and
it
was
sad
you
can't
compensate
someone
for
that
kind
of
injury
and
violation
of
their
humanity,
and
you
can't
really
actually
help
a
community
heal
either
with
just
dollars
thrown
out
of
place.
E
You
have
someone
like
suzanne
lee
and
then
now
you
have
bethany
and
you
see
the
generational
knowledge,
the
generational
organization,
the
generational
heart
and
commitment
to
making
this
city
truly
one
for
all,
and
so
I
am
I'm
proud
to
be
here
today.
I
may
have
to
step
out
for
a
little
bit,
but
I
will
be
back
and
I
look
again
looking
forward
to
all
three
aspects
of
this:
how
people
can
have
access
to
law
enforcement,
how
it
is
investigated
and,
finally,
how
we
heal.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councilman
edwards,
for
that
I
see
that
we've
been
joined
by
additional
colleagues,
which
means
I'm
going
to
keep
your
remarks
very
brief.
So
if
you
don't
mind
we're
going
to
do
an
order
of
arrival,
we're
going
to
start
off
with
counselor
wu,
then
move
on
to
at
large
counselor
asapi
george,
followed
by
at
large
counselor
michael
flaherty,
then
district
9,
counselor
liz,
braden
and
and
with
district
8
counselor
kenzie
bach.
B
F
Madam
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
sponsors
for
ensuring
that
the
council
is
continuing
to
move
forward
and
convene
public
dialogue
and
keep
this
in
in
the
public
eye.
I
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
I
know
there
are
many
organizations
represented
here,
but
just
to
really
lift
up
the
efforts
of
the
api's
can
coalition
and
the
asian
american
commission
in
recent
weeks
has
been
just
foundational
for
ensuring
that
the
community
is,
is
speaking
out
and
has
a
space
and
is
building
the
infrastructure
in
solidarity
with
other
communities
as
well.
F
I
you
know
I
personally
support
efforts
to
ensure
that
we
are
not
focusing
entirely
on
trying
to
catch
things
after
they've
gone
wrong
in
our
community,
but
to
do
the
work
on
the
front
end,
to
invest
in
equity
upfront
to
invest
in
community
stabilization
data,
equity,
language
access,
really
ensuring
that
we're
creating
the
spaces
for
everyone
to
be
seen
and
heard
and
valued
and
to
to
build
that
intersectional
community
and
attention
ahead
of
time.
I
think
so.
F
You
know
long
before
the
pandemic
and
so
just
to
think
about
the
ways
in
which
we
are
putting
resources
ahead
of
time
into
all
of
those
intersections
and
eager
to
be
part
of
this
conversation.
I'm
sorry,
I
won't
be
able
to
stay
for
the
whole
thing
today
in
this
zoom,
but
I
will
make
sure
to
watch
everything
and
just
want
to
thank
you
so
much
everyone
for
for
convening
and
for
your
leadership.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
both
the
lead
sponsors
and
the
panelists
and
those
that
will
offer
testimony
today.
I
look
forward
to
today's
hearing
and
the
conversation
and
certainly
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
in
a
better
way
and
perhaps
a
different
way
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
across
our
city
of
boston
and
our
visitors
to
our
city
always
feel
welcome,
always
feel
seen
and
when
there
are
opportunities
that
we
don't
prevent
any
discrimination
or
violence
or
bullying.
G
H
Thank
you
councilman
here
for
hosting,
and
thank
you
to
councils
flynn,
campbell
and
edwards
for
sponsoring
the
horizon.
Hate
crimes
against
our
asian
american
and
pacific
islander
immigrants
and
other
vulnerable
communities
is
absolutely
unacceptable
in
boston.
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
about
the
role
our
human
rights
commission
can
play
in
monitoring,
investigating
and
proceeding
and
providing
the
necessary
resources
in
education
about
this
issue,
so
look
forward
to
the
hearing
and
we'll
help
any
way
that
I
can
to
put
a
stop
to
this.
I
I
Let's
find
ways
to
really
address
hate
crimes
in
our
city
and
see
if
we
can
just
get
to
a
place
where
folks
are
seen
as
human
beings
and
recognized
as
precious
human
beings
and
and
treated
with
respect
and
dignity,
and
and
not
face
daily
abuse
and
physical
violence.
It
is
totally
unacceptable
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
we
hope
that
we
can
change
that.
Thank
you.
J
You
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thanks
to
all
the
sponsors,
I
I
I
just
really
I
mean
I
want
to
echo
what
everyone
said
and
underscore
that
you
know
to
counselor
wu's
point
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
stop
this
before
it
happens?
I
think
a
lot
of
that
is
about
you
know.
Creating
an
environment
in
our
city
where
our
asian
american
community
feels
empowered
feels
like
they
have
a
voice,
feels
like
they've
hurt
their
heard.
They
have
access
to
the
levers
of
government.
J
So
I
hope
that,
as
we
think
about
kind
of
how
do
you
create
an
atmosphere
that
makes
it
harder
for
these
things
to
happen?
We
think
about
you
know
how
do
we
end
economic
exploitation
of
low-wage
workers,
asian
american
workers?
How
do
we,
you
know,
improve
language
access,
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
in
other
avenues,
sort
of
and
and
how
do
we
continue
to
to
really
highlight
the
leadership
and
power
that
we
see
from
our
asian
american
community?
J
B
Thank
you,
counselor
bach
I'll.
I
do
have
a
brief
remark,
so
I'll
keep
them
very
brief
for,
for
those
who
know,
I
always
tend
to
lean
in
to
my
own
lived
experience.
So
this
is
really
personal
to
me.
I
grew
up
on
a
block
that
was
mixed
between
immigrants
and
old
school
boss
and
families
that
went
back
generations
who
were
not
happy
about
the
fact
that
we
even
existed,
and
you
always
would
feel
the
tension
every
time
you
stepped
outside.
B
There
was
one
occasion
in
particular
that
I
continued
to
replay
in
my
head
is
when
one
of
my
neighbors
sicked
his
german
shepherd
at
me
and
knocked
me
off
the
bike
and
my
mom
at
the
time
was
undocumented
and
was
afraid
to
take
me
to
the
hospital
and
didn't
know
really
what
to
do,
but
it
was
that
moment
that
really
helped
me
understand
what
hate
looks
like
here
in
this
country
and
really
set
the
path.
I
guess
for
me
to
to
to
continue
to
lean
into
these
conversations.
B
So
diving,
right
into
this
conversation,
leading
the
panel
we'd
like
to
start
off
with
our
advocates
before
turning
it
over
to
the
administration
and
we'll
start
with
suzanne
lee,
then
bethany
and
then
finally
recently.
So
I
would
love
to
ask
suzanne
to
please
unmute.
If
you
are-
and
you
not
have
a
floor.
C
Let
me
share
a
little
bit
about
my
own
background
with
you
to
underscore
what
I
have
to
say.
I
I
remember
at
seven
years
old
I
heard
my
grandfather
said
at
the
time
I
was
in
hong
kong.
I
was
the
only
member
of
our
family
living
in
hong
kong
and
he
was
in
hong
kong
and
he
said
you
know.
I've
been
in
boston
a
long
long
time,
but
I
only
know
three
streets.
C
C
He
was
shot
and
killed
in
east
boston,
that
was
in
the
early
30s
and
when
my
father
came
in
late
30s
and
I
eventually
came
to
join
the
family
in
the
early
60s,
and
I
remember
being
embarrassed
by
my
father
that
when
he
go
to
chinatown,
he
will
be
talking
really
loud
and
we
lived
on
blue
hill
ave
at
that
time,
and
I
was
so
embarrassed
by
him.
I
would
shank
his
coats
and
I
said,
stop
doing
this.
Did
you
embarrass
me
so
loud?
He?
He
got
really
angry
at
me
and
he
turned
around.
C
The
chinese
town
is
the
economic,
the
social
and
political
center
for
all
asian
people
around
the
greater
boston
area
in
2021.
We
are
still
fighting
whether
or
not
chinatown
can
remain
in
this
place
to
serve
ongoing
need
to
serve
working
class
family.
We
sounded
the
alarm
30
years
ago,
more
than
30
years
ago,
when
the
downtown
boom
happened,
rent
increase
drove
out
so
many
working-class
families.
At
that
time,
we've
raised
the
alarm
throughout
the
city.
C
This
cannot
be
that
working
class
family
cannot
stay
in
the
city.
It's
not
until
recently
that
we're
strong
enough
to
build
coalitions
for
right
to
the
city.
Who
does
this?
Who
can
live
in
this
city
if
not
for
working
people
who
build
it
so
continue
to
build
it
and
provide
that
service
and
now,
under
the
pandemic?
C
C
A
lot
of
it
is
caused
by
policy
that
allow
institution
expansion
that
are
caused
by
policy
that
allow
rents
to
increase
fivefold.
We
have
folks
that
pay
50
of
their
income
for
rent,
beacon,
hill
and
bay
village
have
put
zoning
protection
to
maintain
their
character
three
times
this
happened
and
chinatown
was
excluded.
C
So
all
our
roll
houses
are
dwindling,
so
we
are
fighting
as
hard
as
we
can
to
make
sure
those
remaining
row
houses
can
we
can
keep
them
for
to
serve
working
class
family,
so
I
hate
to
so.
We
can
talk
about
hate
crime
on
the
street,
individual
hate
crimes.
I
don't
even
know
how
you
report
that,
because
most
immigrants
don't
know
who
they
don't
they're
not
going
to
call
them.
He
said
what
do
you
mean
if
somebody
sped
on
me
this
happened
last
week?
Is
somebody
push
me?
C
C
B
B
I
wanted
to
just
be
super
mindful
of
the
other
panelists
that
will
follow
that
we
gave
suzanne
lee
an
additional
two
to
three
minutes
just
because
she
is
the
wisdom
in
in
in
the
room,
and
I'm
gonna
ask
bethany
and
lisa
to
really
keep
your
your
comments
to
five
minutes,
and
I
do
have
jacob
on
my
team.
Sending
you
little
notes
here
when
your
time
is
up.
So
hopefully
you
can
keep
your
comments
within
five
minutes.
B
K
Floor,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
for
sharing
today
and
I'm
the
director
of
the
asian
outreach
unit
at
greater
boston
legal
service,
where
we
provide
legal
representation
and
support
to
low-income
asian
americans
and
immigrants
in
massachusetts,
and
we
closely
partner
with
the
community
groups
that
you
see
here
today
to
directly
respond
to
all
of
the
crises
that
affect
the
asian-american
community.
K
Our
work
with
the
low-income
asian
american
community
every
day
demonstrates
the
vulnerability
that
our
community
faces
and
during
the
pandemic.
What
that
has
meant
is
that
low-wage
workers
continue
to
be
on
the
front
lines
as
the
number
of
hate
crimes
increase
after
the
atlanta
shootings.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
what
it
means
to
ensure
justice
and,
more
often
than
not,
there's
talk
about
law
enforcement
at
that
table
and
at
the
forefront
of
that
conversation.
K
We
found
we
found
out
that
a
woman
called
9-1-1
for
help
with
an
injury
thinking
that
an
ambulance
would
be
sent
because
she
was
told
that
9-1-1
can
be
helpful.
But
instead
what
happened
was
her
husband
who
has
a
green
card
was
arrested
and
the
police
report
was
filed
without
any
interpreter
present.
K
So
I
would
urge
the
city
council
to
work
closely
with
the
types
of
community
groups
that
you
see
here
represented
on
this
panel
today
to
craft
solutions,
because
these
are
the
organizations
that
understand
what
getting
at
the
root
of
violence
means.
It
means
investing
in
housing,
investing
in
employment,
schools,
mental
health
and
so
many
of
the
other
core
areas
that
suzanne
touched
upon
and
that
we
see.
K
K
So
any
discussion
and
any
new
investment
of
re
or
rerouting
of
resources.
When
we're
talking
about
you
know
this
increase,
or
you
know
this
really.
This
phenomenon
that
has
been
long-standing
and
hate
violence
in
our
communities
to
me
means
that
immediate
emergency
response
or
long-term
solutions
really
have
to
deeply
engage.
The
asian-american
community
groups
that
are
already
in
neighborhoods.
B
B
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
recently,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
you
bringing
in
information,
justice
and
language
justice
to
this
conversation,
because
oftentimes
that
gets
lost
in
in
these
conversations
in
terms
of
being
able
to
access
information.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
fighting
for
and
to
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
collaboratively
with
a
lot
of
the
groups
is
also
thinking
about
that
information.
B
Justice
is
also
understanding
that
everybody
knows
how
to
read
and
write
even
in
their
native
language,
so
really
utilizing
symbols
in
other
ways
to
be
able
to
disseminate
information
is
important.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
language
access
into
this
conversation.
I'm
gonna
now
move
on
to
reset
me.
Do
not
have
the
floor.
L
L
L
So
I
think
the
the
two
things
I
wanted
to
add
is
that
I,
I
think
there
should
be
real
investment
in
culture
shifts
right.
I
think
we
talked
talked
about
the
relationship
between
law
enforcement
and
community,
but
I
would
really
urge
the
conversation
around
what
does
it
mean
for
people
to
feel
comfortable
right?
We
had
a
town
hall
last
thursday
and
one
of
the
stories
that
people
shared
was
that
there
was
a
bilingual.
L
She
speaks
english,
and
so
this
wasn't
a
language
access
thing,
but
she
had
a
hate
incident
happen
and
when
she
called
law
enforcement,
she
didn't
feel
like
anyone
was
hearing
her
or
believing
her,
and
so
I
think
that
that
needs
to
also
be
a
conversation
about.
How
do
we
shift
the
culture
of
when
these
incidents
happen,
that
people
do
not
feel
like,
and
so
often
domestic
violence
victims
will
also
say?
L
I
don't
want
to
call
because
it
the
the
experience
that
I
get
is
very
similar
to
the
experience
that
I
experience
at
home,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
As
this
conversation
unravels,
I
think
earlier
someone
had
mentioned
bullying,
right
and
so
for
as
an
asian
american
who
grew
up
in
the
united
states
and
and
also
hearing
some
of
the
experiences
of
our
young
people.
L
Bullying
and
microaggression
is
something
that
they
experience
in
school,
and
so
I
you
know,
I
think
they
to
really
think
through
what
does
ethnic
studies
look
like?
What
does
social
emotional
learning
look
like
within
our
curriculum,
so
that
our
young
people's
experiences
are
supported
as
well
as
their
mental
health
is
supported
that
there
is
not
enough
mental
health
work,
that's
happening
within
our
school
district,
nor
and
especially
for
asian
american
young
people.
L
They,
their
experience
is
not
reflected
when
they
are
seeking
support
from
their
educators,
as
well
as
the
mental
health,
and
that
mental
health,
during
after
incidences
like
this
is
also
something
that
we
grapple
with
as
a
community,
so
really
push
for
the
city
to
invest
in
bilingual
and
bicultural
mental
health.
Whether
or
not
that's
within
organizations
like
ours
or
embedded
in
institutions
like
public
schools,
public
health
facilities.
B
B
So
that
means
that
those
who
are
answering
the
questions
also
be
super
mindful
of
just
short
and
clear
and
concise,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
can
get
through
as
many
questions
as
possible,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
counselors
here
and
I
know
they're
all
eager
to
participate
and
the
the
conversation
doesn't
have
to
end
here.
This
is
a
hearing
order.
My
hope
is:
is
that
we'll
continue
this
outside
of
this
space
as
well?
So
I'm
going
to
move
on
now
to
counselor
flynn,
one
of
the
lead
sponsors.
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council,
mejia
and
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
comments
my
colleagues
made,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
the
panelists,
especially
suzanne
and
bethany
and
lizette
for
their
testimony,
but,
more
importantly,
their
work
on
this
issue
for
so
many
years
and
advocating
for
all
all
immigrants
and
all
people
of
color,
and
I
appreciate
the
incredible
work
that
you've
been
doing.
A
It
can
play
as
well
in
educating
the
public
about
hate
crimes,
about
bullying,
intimidation
and
in
getting
in
getting
this
message
into
the
schools
and
working
obviously
with
the
police
department.
So
just
wanted
to
maybe
ask
one
of
the
panelists.
If
they've
had
any
experience
with
any
public
awareness
campaigns
on
talking
about
hate
crime
issues,
and
how
can
we
better
effectively
get
our
message
to
residents
across
the
residents
across
the
city
about
about
discrimination,
about
bullying,
intimidation,
but
also
reaching
reaching
our
young
people
as
well.
C
C
C
A
A
N
N
Battery
hateful
speech,
where
no
crime
has
occurred,
there's
no
assault,
there's
no
threat,
there's
no
property
damage,
but
yet
you
know
there
was
some
slur
used
against
them.
That
may,
in
fact,
be
just
constitute
free
speech
where
again,
the
the
speech
is
hateful,
but
yet
the
speech
alone
does
not
constitute
a
crime.
N
So
that's
when
you
know,
when
the
police
receive
a
report
of
this
or
we
become
aware
of
it,
then
they
have
to
the
civil
rights
unit
of
the
boston
police
department.
Will
then
investigate
two
things:
one
did
a
crime
occur,
two
is
any
bias
present
and
then
they
proceed
accordingly
on
that.
If,
if
there's
a
crime
in
bias,
the
civil
rights,
you
will
retain
that
investigation
and
conduct
that
investigation.
K
Right,
we're
not
just
talking
about
educating
about
hate
crimes
or
hate
incidents,
we're
talking
about
the
history
of
people
of
color
in
the
united
states
and
we're
talking
about
how
that
is
incorporated
in
k
to
12
schools.
We're
talking
about
creating
environments
that
that
allow
for
that
type.
You
know
for
students
to
feel
to
feel
safer
and
to
feel
like
they
can
speak
up
about
incidents
that
doesn't
otherwise
that
doesn't
just
come
from
saying.
You
know,
don't
bully,
don't
harass.
K
It
comes
from
a
much
more
holistic
understanding
and
systemic
change
in
in
schools
and
throughout
the
city.
Right
and
even
just
I
mean
even
just
like
a
small
thing.
This
is
not
in
schools,
but
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
our
community
partners
that
we
all
work.
Boston,
china
to
neighborhood
center,
has
been
talking
about
working
with
artists
in
creating
you
know
these
kind
of
public
education
in
the
subway.
You
know
murals
and
campaigns
that
are
aimed
at
this.
K
Nonetheless,
and
so
these
are
all
the
types
of
things
that
we
need
to
be
talking
about.
You
know,
in
collaboration
with
in
collaboration
with
all
the
community
groups
here,
because
it's
not
just
about
saying
you
know,
let's,
let's
have
a
campaign
that
says,
don't
bully,
don't
harass,
and
I
really
I
mean
I
think
it.
I
can't
emphasize
the
point
enough.
O
So
for
members
of
the
public
for
members
of
the
public
who
do
not
know
me,
I'm
the
vander
cavallo
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
human
rights
commission.
Can
you
hear
me
well,
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
okay,
perfect,
so
I
think
you
know
along
the
line
in
terms
of
what
bethany
just
said,
and
and
certainly
ed
flynn,
city,
council
flynn
and
and
superintendent
donovan.
O
I
think
the
space
that
the
human
rights
commission
can
play
and
in
fact
we
started
to
do
some
things
to
get
in
that
space,
including
meeting
with
bpd,
the
civil
rights
division
and
some
of
the
leaders
in
the
asian
american
community,
including
bethany,
and
many
others
in
the
space,
is
the
education
that
we're
talking
about
right.
A
lot
of
the
things
that
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
a
crime
right
is
where
the
human
rights
can
can
come
in
right.
O
I
think
the
human
rights
commission,
not
only
in
terms
of
education
and
the
public
campaign
in
general,
can
play
a
role
but
also
in
terms
of
I
think,
city
councilor
edwards,
said
earlier
in
terms
of
the
mediation
and
the
healing
that
needs
to
take
place
in
these
communities.
Often
when
they
go
to
police,
you
know
they
don't
feel
like
they're
being
heard
it's
not
being
prosecuted.
You
know.
Unfortunately,
the
criminal
justice
system
is
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt
right
in
order
to
prosecute
stuff,
but
the
human
rights
commission
is
on
the
civil
side.
B
D
Thank
you,
council,
mejia,
and
thank
you
again
to
the
panelists,
really
appreciate.
All
of
you
guys
work.
I
know
we're
on
a.
I
know:
there's
a
clock
ticking,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
right
in
one
thing
I
think
is
critically
important
as
we
talk
about-
and
this
was
lifted
up
by
many
of
you
guys
or
ladies
the
cultural
shifts
that
are
needed
right
and
I
do
think
government
frankly
can
play
a
greater
role
in
creating
the
space
for
that
to
happen
and
that
we
don't
always
do
that.
D
Community-Based
organizations
tend
to
do
it
so
who
currently
is
doing
this
work
suzanne.
I
know
you
you
have
been
said.
I
know,
we've
talked
all
the
time
about.
You
know,
making
sure
we're
talking
about
communities
of
color
that
we're
not
just
saying
black
and
brown.
So
I'm
just
curious
from
you
guys
perspective.
D
You
two
youtube
bethany
who's,
creating
the
space
to
talk
about
the
shared
issues
in
these
communities
to
have
the
tough
conversations,
although
the
histories
may
be
different
and
how
discrimination
exclusion
all
of
that
show
up,
but
that
we're
in
this
together
so
who's
creating
that
space.
I
do
think
it's
also
a
space
government
can
do
better
in
creating,
and
then
I
have
two
more
questions
after
that.
C
I
don't
know
many
governments
create
a
space,
but
the
communities
have
been
trying
to
build
coalitions
to
intentionally
bring
people
together
to
work,
work
on
issues
that
are
common
in
other
community,
that
that
goes
a
long
way
in
having
our
collective
voices
out
there,
because
what
we're
interested
in
is
really
address
the
systematic
nature
of
what
we're
feeling.
As
I
said
before,
it's
not
it's
not
just
active
individual
individuals.
C
C
D
They
need
to-
I
just
wanted
to.
I
do
think,
there's
a
way
for
government
right
to
invest
in
organizations
in
in
initiatives
that
are
creating
these
spaces,
that
are
being
intentional
and
being
consistent
right.
So
I
just
wanted
to
name
that,
particularly
to
talk
about
cultural
shifts
in
awareness
in
educating
the
public
as
well,
because
I
know
the
time
is
ticking
or
the
clock
is
ticking.
I
have
two
other
questions.
D
One
is,
I
absolutely
agree
with
the
comments
around
you
know,
raising
awareness
and
and
what
constitute
what
constitutes
discrimination,
hate
crimes,
but
the
importance
of
creating
systems
that
are
separate
and
apart
from
law
enforcement
and
strengthening
those
systems
that
work
so
obviously,
on
the
next
panel.
The
human
rights
commission
is
one
of
those
systems
that
can
be
very
impactful,
and
I
know
when
we
initially
filed
this
hearing
order
last
year.
This
was
really
looking
at
how
we
can
strengthen
the
human
rights
commission,
but
we
have
the
attorney
general's
office.
D
We
have
the
commission
against
discrimination
when
I
was
working
on
the
state
government
side.
That
was
one
of
my
agencies
always
responsible
for
strengthening
that
institution.
So
I'm
curious-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
you
bethany
and
you
mentioned
what's
happening
in
oakland
and
other
places,
but
what?
What
are
some
of
these
systems
that
are
separate?
And
apart
from
law
enforcement
right
now,
where
people
can
report
incidents
right
that
offer
multilingual
resources
around
not
just
legal
employment,
immigration
services?
K
Going
to
sound
like
a
broken
record,
but
I
I
mean
this
also
kind
of
goes
back
to
your
last
question.
I
think-
and
I
would
say,
the
organizations
within
apis
can,
which
is
the
statewide
civic
engagement
organization
coalition.
You
know
that
includes
viet
aid,
chinese
progressive
association,
bcnc
ac
dc
cmaa,
all
these
different
groups
right
that
you
saw
at
the
table
at
the
town
hall
last
week.
K
So
to
me
any
sort
of
response
like
when
we're
talking,
whether
we're
talking
about
law
enforcement,
not
non-law
enforcement
or
whatever,
starts
and
ends
with
these
community
organizations.
Because
that's
that's
where
that's
where
people
go
right
and
I
think
that's
where
you
see
things
like
that,
and
I
think
we
should.
I
mean
I
think
it'd
be
really
awesome
to
just
to
sit
here
and
brainstorm
a
little
bit
at
some
point
with
you
all
about
what
it
means
to
have
all
those
community
groups
at
the
table
to
be
brainstorming.
K
Those
solutions
right
to
really
have
that
deeper
conversation,
because
I
think
you
know
I
can
talk
about
stuff
like
the
community
ambassador
program
in
oakland.
But
I
have
no
idea
how
it's
actually
working
right,
like
I'd,
want
to
know
how
it's
actually
working
and
how
it's
actually,
how
you
know
whether
or
not
people
are
actually
responding,
whether
or
not
the
right
amount
of
funding
is
actually
going
to
and
what
that
actually
means
right
before
I
say
yeah.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
bethany
and
council
campbell.
I
just
want
you
to
know.
I
gave
you
extra
time
to
I'm.
I
I
scare
you
out
with
the
five
minutes,
but
then
I
you
know
give
you
extra
time
just
so
I
can
just
let
you
know
we'll
do
another
round
of
questions
council
campbell
I'd
like
to
move
on.
If
that's
okay
sounds
good,
I
can
follow
up.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
really
great
discussion.
I
I
You
know,
maybe
in
terms
of
a
model
that
would
help
is
to
help
you
know,
support
those,
as
as
suzanne
said,
you
know
that
she's
working
harder
than
ever
and
longer,
but
she's
not
getting
paid
for
it
anymore.
You
know
to
to
rely
for
for
the
city
and
our
community,
our
society,
to
rely
on
on
these
community
groups
to
do
this
work
without
support
from
the
from
this
city
and
the
state.
I
So
I
I
also
feel
that,
in
terms
of
the
and
again
that
might
that
might
raise
all
sorts
of
questions,
but
if
that's
the
most
efficient
and
direct
way
to
give
support
to
people
who
who
need
support,
then
that
should
be
the
the
tool
that
we're
using.
So
it's
just
a
thought
and
I'd
like
some
people's
perspective
on
that
or
are
there
other
models
in
other
parts
of
the
country
that
work
well.
B
C
I
C
I
Then
we
need
to
look
for
another
bucket
of
money
that
we
can
draw
on
to
support
this
sort
of
work
that
doesn't
have
strings
attached.
I
really
feel
that
that
you
are.
You
are
the
experts,
you
are
the
experts,
you
know
firsthand.
The
experience
like
I
was
very
moved
by
your
your
testimony
and
and
how
how
your
world
is
shrunk
because
of
of
this,
the
racism
and
the
the
hit
that's
out
there.
I
The
other
notion
that
I
had
when
we
were
talking
about
you
know
that
there's
nowhere
to
go
with
the
complaint
is,
you
know
it
brings
me
back
to
thinking
about
restores
it
restorative
justice
models
to
see.
If,
if
we
can,
you
know
have
have
a
healing
circle
where
people
can
come
together
and
and
be
heard
and
be
recognized
and
to
find
some
healing,
because,
as
country
edwards
recognized,
you
know
how
do
you
heal
from
this?
I
I
It
starts
at
a
very
young
age
and
it's
perpetuated
through
through
people's
life
cycles,
and
I
think
you
know
yeah.
We
have
to
find.
We
have
to
find
some
ways
to
to
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
with
people
and
educate,
more
people,
so
that
we
have
bystanders
who
will
will
intervene
and
say
no,
that's,
not
appropriate
and
and
bystanders
who
will
who
will.
I
B
B
E
Thank
you.
I
did
want
to
just
mention
to
pick
up
on
the
part
that
of
generational
harm
and
took
to
I
mean
first
of
all,
suzanne.
I
heard
majority
of
your
testimony
and
it
actually
reminded
me
of
my
own
family's
generational
harm
and
how
again
hate
crimes
and
and
even
the
threat
of
them
changed
my
the
trajectory
of
my
family,
which
we
were
in
the
south
for
a
long
time.
I
want
to
say
we
were
my
mother's
great-grandfather.
E
E
That
night,
my
my
great
great
great
great
grandfathers
or
her
grandfather
packed
up
the
family
and
they
left
for
cincinnati,
ohio
and
that's
where
they
ended
up
and
that's
where
my
family
is
to
this
day
or
my
mother's
side.
The
family
is
in
cincinnati,
ohio
and
so
again
that
that
was
you
know
we
could
go.
No
one
questions,
what
the
the
clan
is,
what
it
does
and
how
those
things.
E
But
I
mean
generational
to
this-
you
know
the
the
total
displacement
of
somebody
and
a
family
and
history
is,
is
where
this
comes
from.
So
I
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
that,
and
also
just
those
kinds
of
pain
points,
it's
important
that
we
see
those
bridges,
totally
different
backgrounds,
right,
different
parts
of
the
country,
saying
trajectory
and
generational
harm.
E
So
picking
up
on
the
healing
component,
which
is
very
important
for
me,
and
I
think
that's
where
our
community
groups
have
the
best
latitude,
because
so
many
of
the
community
groups,
which
I've
had
the
blessing
to
work
in
an
immigrant
worker
center,
and
I'm
telling
you
there's
something
very
healing
not
just
for
myself
but
for
the
workers
who
come
there
and
suzanne.
You
could
speak
to
this,
so
can
bethany
when
you
meet
somebody
where
they
are
and
they
come
with
a
problem
but
leave
after
working
with
your
organization
as
a
leader
right.
E
E
But
from
health
and
health
care,
because
we
noticed
with
covid,
for
example,
we
managed
to
get
that
money,
we
managed
to
raise
money
in
a
resiliency
fund
and
that
was
private
dollars,
and
I
I
would
support
giving
out
grants
of
private
dollars,
which
I
think-
and
you
can
correct
me
again.
Those
who
are
in
the
community
private
dollars
leveraged
for
specific
could
give
you
the
most
flexibility
you
need.
E
While
you
hold
us
accountable,
because
that's
what
you
were
talking
about,
sudan,
you
were,
you
were
like.
We
need
the
freedom
to
tell
you
you're
messing
up
too
and
get
your
check.
I
know
who
you're
talking
about
yeah,
but
so
that
sweet
spot
I'd
love
for
you
to
speak
to
that
and
also
speak
to
private
dollars
and
grow
anybody.
C
Well,
if
we
can
have
support
from
everywhere
with
no
strange
attached,
because
we
have
demonstrated
and
have
proven
our
track
records
and
how
how
we
use
that
money
is
like
what
you
said
is
allow
people
to
heal
and
be
a
contributing
member
of
a
society
that
makes
things
better
for
everybody
else
when
they
rise,
everybody
rises,
and
it
just
reminded
me.
I
just
finished
a
campaign
recently.
In
fact,
today,
I'm
going
to
deliver
the
checks,
it
came
from
private
funding.
C
The
story
was
in
the
globe
last
week
they
just
contacted
me.
I
trusted
you,
here's
the
money
go,
help
small
businesses,
so
we
came
up
with
this
plan
to
continue
the
we
love
chinatown
campaign
to
identify
small
family
owned
businesses
that
were
not
able
to
access
any
of
the
federal
money
because
they
don't
have
a
regular
bank
that
they
do
business
with.
If
you
don't
have
that,
then
you
can't
access
any
of
that
money
and
never
mind
that
the
bureaucracy
that
it
takes
to
to
get
it
so
we're
printing
up
vouchers.
C
For
example,
we
give
each
establishment
a
few
thousand
dollars
and
we
print
that
amount
of
vouchers
and
give
it
out
to
unemployed
workers
and
they
go
there
and
get
takeouts,
so
it
gives
the
businesses
business
and
they
also
help
unemploy
workers
programs
like
that.
Well,
we
need
to
have
money
to
do
that
right.
I'm
just
fortunate.
I
know
people,
but
I
don't
know
how
how
we
can
do
that
in
a
bigger
scale.
I
think
every
neighborhood
needs
that
and
julia.
You
have
that
samples
too.
M
C
C
B
E
B
Absolutely
I
said
earlier
that
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
the
work
and
the
conversation
and
so
definitely
going
to
be
keeping
it
in
committee,
and
I
think
that
the
work
is
so
much
greater
than
just
one
hearing.
Absolutely
wonderful.
Thank
you,
yeah!
Thank
you.
So
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
counselor
bach
and
then
I
do
have
some
of
my
own
questions
and
reflections
before
we
move
on
to
the
administration,
and
I
do
want
to
be
super
mindful
that
we
are
trying
to
end
by
three.
J
Well,
with
that
in
mind,
counselor
I'll
be
I'll.
Be
very
brief.
I
mean
I'm
I'm
grateful
for
the
conversation
we've
had
already
and
I
think
I
I
really
want
to
amplify
counselor
edwards's
point
about
about
what
your
organizations
do
in
terms
of
helping
people
step
into
their
power
and
leadership,
and
I
think
that's
so
much
of
that's
so
much
of
how
we
change
this.
J
This
hundred
year,
old,
dynamic
right
is,
is
and-
and
I
think
that
suzanne
you're
you're
really
like
one
of
our
original
models
here
of
what
that
means
in
the
city
of
boston,
but
we
it
shouldn't
all
it
shouldn't
all
land
on
on
your
shoulders
and
we
need
a
a
multiplicity
of
people
in
that
situation.
So
I
guess
I
guess
a
question
I
have
just
and
it's
fine,
if
you
feel
like
you've,
already
answered
it
just
other
ways
that
you
think
the
city
can
concretely
be
helpful.
J
I
can
stand
up
with
my
colleagues,
so
I
just
those
are
two
examples
of
the
type
of
work
that
I
know
that
chinatown
community
does
that
I
think,
are
kind
of
not
just
analogous
but
actually
help
with
this.
But
I
wondered
if,
if
there
was
anything
kind
of
in
that
vein,
that
you
all
feel
like
the
council,
the
city
government
could
support
more
strongly
in
ways
that
would
would
help.
Would
help
make
this
a
harder
place
for
for
hate
of
this
kind
of
flourish
at
all.
C
Well,
as
I
said
before,
there
are
policies
that
create
the
situations
that
we
I
find
ourselves
in
right
now,
there's
a
long
standing
policy.
What
it's
been
allowed
to
do
so
we
need
to
take
a
hard
look
in
all
the
city
policy
that
create
that
and
do
away
with
it,
because
that
would
stay
alone.
I
mean
it
goes
a
long
way.
C
Why
is
there
some
community,
particularly
poor
working
class
neighborhoods,
are
being
allowed
to
destroy
and
to
create
space
for
other
people,
because
they'd
like
to
you
know
all
in
the
name
of
big
businesses,
have
the
right
to
make
money,
I'm
not
saying
that
they
they
can't
make
money,
but
just
how
much
can
they
ex
at
the
expense
of
people
destroying
people's
lives
and
the
whole
community?
So
that's
a
city
policy,
if
that
sends
a
message
who
is
being
valued.
L
Yeah,
if
I
could
jump
in
you
know,
I
think
that
you
know
the
the
question
that
we
get
asked.
A
lot
is
like
what
will
make
people
feel
less
invisible
right,
and
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
to
have
a
life
that
they're
comfortable
in
so
I
you
know,
I
think
you
all
are
going
to
be
talking
soon
about
increasing
idp
to
build
more
affordable
housing.
I
think
that
is
an
area
to
kind
of
you
know,
move
a
conversation.
C
L
M
J
Because
of
because
of,
like
you
know,
not
having
meetings
in
person
and
the
language,
access
and
other
issues,
and
I
mean
I
honestly,
I
think
we
saved
the
heat
street
line
in
large
part,
because
cpa
and
others
did
organize.
You
know
getting
the
signatures
of
about
200
of
them
in
mission
park,
but
that
was
you
know
without
community
organization.
On
that
front,
they
were
just
nowhere
in
that
conversation
and
we've
been
having
some
come
to
our
our
protests
on
the
55
and
that's
been
really
good.
J
But
I
I
worry
a
lot
to
lissette's
point
about
how
our
processes
make
people
invisible
and
I
I
I
do
think
that
language
access
and
work
that
counselor
mejia
and
counselor
wu
and
flynn
and
lots
of
folks
on
the
council
have
been
doing
for
a
while
is
a
key
piece
of
this.
But
just
yeah
really
really
appreciate
you
guys
on
on
all
these
fronts.
B
M
B
So
I
think
that
there's
those
go
go
back
to
where
you
came
from
is
very
tied
into
this
placement
conversation
and
I'm
so
glad
that
you're
bringing
it
in
here
in
terms
of
a
hate
situation,
and
I
I
also
think
would
like
to
echo
the
fact
that
we
ask
organizations
to
participate.
But
then
we
set
terms
and
conditions
in
terms
of
what
that's
going
to
look
like
and
that's
the
most
disempowering
thing
that
you
could
do
to
organizations
that
you're
trying
to
build
with.
B
M
B
K
Yeah
and
you're
going
to
hear
a
little
concert
because
my
daughter's
playing
piano
in
the
background,
but
I
mean,
I
think,
all
those
examples
that
I
listed
earlier
are
just
the
few
examples
in
the
last.
You
know
in
the
last
few
months
right
and
though,
and
that's
not
it's
not
atypical,
we,
I
would
say
pretty
much.
Every
single
situation
we
interact
with
clients
on
involving
the
police
have
some
sort
of
there.
K
B
Thank
you
for
that
bethany
and
the
beautiful
music.
In
the
background,
I
appreciate
it.
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick
little
follow-up
and
you
know
anyone
feel
even
someone
from
the
administration
may
kind
of
want
to
lean
into
this
I'd
love
to
see
some
sort
of
accountability
or
dashboard,
where
we're
keeping
track
of
these
incidences
and
would
love
to
see
more
of
like
what
are
we
doing
about
it
like
where's
the
growth
mindset,
and
how
are
we
repairing
the
harm
if
you
will
avondro,
I
mean
at
some
point.
B
You
know
you're
going
to
be
speaking
so
I'd
love
to
hear
what
what
you
all
are
doing
in
the
human
rights
commission
to
really
lean
into
these
scenarios.
That
bethany
has
just
laid
out
for
us,
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
when
we
know
what
we
know
the
question
always
is:
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
it
right
and
how
that's
going
to
change
moving
forward?
B
So
those
are
the
sort
of
things
that
I'd
like
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
when
it's
your
turn
and
I've
been
told
that
I
have
30
seconds
left
and
I
will
yield
the
rest
of
my
time
to
move
on
to
our
second
panel.
So
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
our
first
panel
we'd
love
for
you
all
to
stay.
I
see
counselor
campbell,
you
just
raised
your
hand.
D
Hey,
I
just
I
know
we're
being
mindful
of
time.
I
just
wanted
to
lift
up
one
point
that
I
think
is
critically
important
on
the
funding
piece,
because
there's
a
real
example
that
I
think
is
applicable
to
what
folks
were
saying
around
how
we
get
the
city
to
invest
in
these
organizations
that
are
best
situated
to
do
the
work
on
the
ground
and
in
community
with
no,
you
know
investing
with
no
strings
attached.
D
I
think
the
youth
development
fund
is
a
great
example
of
that
that
was
my
first
budget
initiative
and
it
came
out
of
a
hearing
for
a
whole
bunch
of
organizations
on
the
ground
serving
young
people,
preventing
violence,
interrupting
violence
and
saying
you
know
good
luck.
They
couldn't
apply
to
the
city
for
resources
without
going
through
hurdles
without
defining
their
young
people
as
at
risk,
without
going
through
this
cumbersome
application
process.
D
So
with
that
fund,
there's
been
an
ease
in
process
and
ease
and
application
even
thoughts
around
how
you
support
an
initiative
versus
just
a
community
organization.
Sometimes
an
organization
just
needs
some
funding,
one
time,
not
three
years,
and
so
I
do
think
it's
a
good
model
for
us
to
look
at
in
future
working
sessions
on
how
we
support
these
type
of
organizations
that
are
doing
the
work
in
communities,
particularly
immigrant
communities,
or
doing
the
work
of
connecting
communities
of
color
in
that
coalition
building
and
respond
responding
to
issues.
D
B
You,
carlos
campbell,
no
worries
so
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
the
second
panel
and
if
our,
if
panel
one
would
be
willing
to
stay
to
listen
in,
I
always
think
that
dialogue
is
really
important,
because
I
think
that
oftentimes
in
these
spaces
one
panel
goes
and
then
the
next
and
there's
really
no
shared
communication.
So
if
you
all
don't
mind
sticking
around,
it
would
be
great,
but
if
you
can't,
I
would
totally
understand
it.
So
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
panel
two,
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
director.
O
Happy
I
like
the
way
you
said
it
caravaggio
it's
good
afternoon.
Can
you
hear
me?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
my
technical
difficulties
out
of
the
way
I'm
evandro
carvalho.
As
I
said
earlier,
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
boston
human
rights
commission.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you,
including
the
counselors.
O
The
sponsors,
and
certainly
you
chair
chairman
here,
for
this
important
discussion
on
a
matter
that
we
all
obviously
care
about
in
the
city
of
boston
and
want
to
make
sure
that
the
asian
americans
in
the
city
of
boston
feel
that
they
can
come
certainly
to
the
city
for
help
in
this
much
much
much
needed
time
in
which,
unfortunately,
seeing
you
know
across
the
country,
hate
crime
increase
against
asian
americans
and
particularly
what
we
saw
in
atlanta.
We
don't
want
to
be
in
boston,
a
place
where
this
this
can
happen
as
well.
O
O
Obviously,
you
all
know
the
history
of
the
commission,
so
I
won't
do
it
again,
particularly
since
we're
in
in
a
tight
space,
but
essentially
the
commission
is
designed
to
be.
I
heard
the
word
mcd
earlier
is
designed
to
be
a
mini
mcad,
if
you
will
for
the
city
of
boston,
which
means
that
we
are
intended
to
study
and
investigate
discrimination
issues
in
the
city
of
boston
and
also
to
you
know,
focus
on
discrimination
and
human
rights
violations
in
the
city
of
boston
and
obviously
in
the
past.
O
We
know
that
the
that
the
commission
has
had
some
capacity
issues
and
that's
due
to
the
fact
that
the
commission
is
known
as
an
agency
for
the
city.
In
fact,
august
2019
is
when
I
was
brought
in
by
mayor
walsh
to
get
the
commission
up
and
running,
and
at
this
point
we
have
two
staff
members
that
are
full-time
staff
members,
along
with
several
seven
commissioners
that
are
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
actually
very,
very,
very
active.
And
it's
been
very
helpful
to
us
in
this
space.
O
As
we
talk
about
potentially
doing
campaigns,
you
know
in
education
campaigns
in
the
asian
in
in
boston
to
to
help
shift
the
culture
of
hate.
Also,
the
other
couple
positions
is
program
manager,
as
well
as
an
investigator
okay.
Those
are
the
four
positions
that
are.
We
are
queued
to
hire
happy
to,
in
fact,
have
some
of
the
some
of
the
organizations
involved
to
help
us
get
some
great
candidates
that
speak
different
languages.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
focus
on
in
the
commission.
O
The
other
thing
that
we
are
focusing
in
right
now
and
doing
is
upgrading
our
we're
working
with
the
city
city.
It
department
to
revamp
our
website
in
which
we're
going
to
have
an
official
intake
form
posted
for
people
that
make
official
complaints
of
discrimination
within
the
city
of
boston,
but
we
also
are
working
on
another
forum
that
folks
can
access
through
the
website
again
in
which
victims
of
of
of
of
hate
crime
victims
of
you
know
witnesses
of
a
crime.
O
O
In
the
meantime,
though,
one
of
the
things
that
I
spoke
about
earlier
briefly,
a
couple
things
that
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
is
sorry.
My
camera
is
off.
I
didn't
even
realize
that
I
apologize.
Someone
should
have
told
me
this.
I
did
not
realize
that
my
camera
is
off.
So
let
me
pause
here
and
I'll
turn
my
camera
off
on
I
apologize.
O
O
As
you
know,
if
you
will
a
place
that
if
folks
are
not
comfortable
going
into
bpd
to
report
a
crime
that
didn't
come
to
us
first
or
vice
versa,
if
bpd
gets
something
that
maybe
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
a
crime,
they
can
contact
us
for
us
to
focus
primarily
on
some
of
the
things
that
I
heard.
Some
of
the
councils
speak
again,
which
is
the
the
the
the
helium
as
well
as-
and
I
heard
the
word-
you
know
restorative
justice.
O
O
I
guess
internally,
whether
it's
to
contact
to
be
in
touch
with
bpd
or
other
city
departments,
to
see
what
other
city
departments
need
to
do
better
in
order
to
better
serve
the
asian
american
community,
including
bps.
Certainly
immigrant
advancement
team
yusuf
and
his
team
have
been
very,
very
close
to
us
in
this
initiative.
O
You
know
more
accessible
and,
more
importantly,
actually,
you
know
continue
to
build
with
many
of
the
organizations
that
are
present
and
others
so
folks
have
a
way
to
get
in
touch
with
us
beyond.
Just
you
know
coming
on
the
city
website,
if
we
can
have
folks
like
bethany,
certainly
you
know
suzanne
and
many
others.
Karen
is
another
woman
that
was
that
participated
in
the
meeting
yesterday.
O
So
if
they
know
that
we
exist,
if
there's
something
that's
going
on
in
their
community,
that
certainly
can
reach
out
to
us
and
we'll
find
a
way
whether
it's
to
to
resolve
this
resolve
it
ourselves
or
you
know,
as
bpd
or
I
heard
the
ag's
office.
Certainly
the
mcad,
the
civil
rights
division
of
of
the
federal
government
here
in
the
city
of
boston
and
many
other
agencies
in
in
in
support
that
exists.
So
we're
certainly
here
to
to
be
helpful
as
much
as
we
can.
B
P
Okay,
good
afternoon
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
just
want
to
give
a
snapshot
of
what
the
police
department
has
been
doing,
and
obviously
I
want
to
do
it
in
the
best
interest
of
time.
So,
thank
you.
Everyone,
I'm
deputy
superintendent,
james
chen.
I
am
the
assistant
bureau
chief
for
the
bureau
of
community
engagement.
P
P
Work
hard
to
proactively,
engage
with
all
communities,
building,
trust
and
relationships
so
that
they
will
feel
comfortable
coming
to
us
if
they
need
help
or
have
a
problem.
We
understand
that
many
immigrant
communities
bring
with
them
bad
experiences
with
corrupt
or
militarized
law
enforcement
from
their
home
countries.
P
The
bureau
of
community
engagement,
the
civil
rights
unit
and
our
11
district
community
service
officers
reach
out
to
these
communities
through
events,
activities,
programs
and
community
meetings.
I
believe
education
and
awareness
is
critical.
We
run
discussions
and
dialogues,
so
residents
will
know
their
rights.
How
to
report
a
crime
or
file
a
complaint
and
how
to
contact
us
with
quality
of
life
concerns?
P
We
want
residents
to
be
empowered
to
advocate
for
themselves
and
their
communities
in
response
to
an
increase
in
hate
crimes
nationally
against
asians.
The
department
has
increased
outreach
efforts
with
asian
communities.
We've
been
working
with
the
boston
human
rights
commission,
mayor's
office
of
immigrant
advancement,
community-based
agencies,
local
newspapers,
to
promote
awareness
and
reporting.
P
The
district
a1
community
service
sergeant
meets
regularly
with
both
the
chinatown
neighborhood
council
and
the
chinatown
neighborhood
safety
group
to
discuss
social
and
criminal
issues
as
well
as
available
resources,
including
the
civil
rights
unit.
The
two
district
c11
civilian
liaisons
to
the
vietnamese
community
informed
their
communities
of
resources
that
are
also
available
at
our
request.
The
epic
times
in
the
sampan
newspaper
have
informed
their
readership
of
the
function
of
the
civil
rights
unit
and
the
manner
in
which
to
report
hate
incidents.
P
Social
media
notifications
have
also
been
made
through
the
asian
american
civic
association
to
assist
with
outreach
efforts.
We
are
also
in
the
process
of
translating
the
civil
rights
unit
brochure
into
traditional
and
simplified
chinese,
as
well
as
the
four
other
major
languages
in
the
city
for
the
language
and
communication
access
ordinance
requirements
a
little
bit
about
the
bpd
civil
rights
unit.
They
were
created
in
1978
and
was
the
first
specialized
unit
in
the
nation
formed
to
specifically
address
hate
crimes.
P
This
unit
is
staffed
with
a
lieutenant
detective
two
sergeant
detectives
and
five
detectives
who
are
carefully
selected
and
trained
to
investigate
civil
rights
violations.
The
unit
is
also
staffed
by
two
interpreters
fluent
in
chinese
vietnamese
and
laotian
sign.
Detectives
are
also
fluent
in
spanish.
P
The
unit
monitors
reviews
and
coordinates
the
boston,
police
department's
response
and
investigative
efforts
concerning
possible
violations
of
civil
rights
incidents.
The
civil
rights
unit
closely
monitors
national
hate
incidents
and
trends
and
is
cognizant
of
the
current
environment
of
bias
towards
our
asian
community.
The
unit
is
dedicated
to
analyzing
patterns
of
hate
and
bias,
taking
immediate
and
forceful
action
to
identify
persons
who
commit
hate
and
bias
crimes,
arresting
them
and
bringing
them
before
the
court.
P
All
communities
need
to
know
that
allegations
of
hate
crimes
are
taken
very
seriously
by
the
boston
police
department.
We
appreciate
any
assistance
to
council
and
all
of
our
partners
on
panels
to
provide
with
these
outreach
efforts
so
quickly.
I
would
like
to
have
science
detective
robert
kirsgard
from
the
civil
rights
unit
just
share
some
data
and
information
related
to
the
hate
crimes
in
boston,
specifically
anti-aging
incidents.
Thank
you.
M
Q
I
want
to
first
shed
some
light
that
the
common
theme
here
is
what
is
the
hate
crime
and
what
is
the
hate
bias
incident?
Fortunately,
the
civil
rights
unit
has
addressed
this
for
the
last
several
years.
When
we
do
our
reporting
and
the
numbers
I'm
going
to
go
over,
reflect
both
the
civil
right
crimes
and
civil
right
incidents
that
do
not
rise
to
the
level
of
a
criminal
complaint,
but
we
still
track
that
in
2019
we
had
14
hate
bias,
incidents
involving
asian
victims
of
those
14
7.
Q
We
are
classified
as
civil
rights
crimes.
In
2020
we
had
19
incidents,
hate
bias,
incidents
involving
asian
victims
of
the
1912
were
considered
civil
rights
crimes
and
in
2021
there
was
an
increase.
We've
had
year-to-date
13
hate
bias,
incidents
involving
asian
victims,
four
of
those
are
classified
as
civil
rights
crimes.
Another
four
ongoing
and
five
were
determined
not
to
be
hate
crimes.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
very
much
for
that.
I
am
going
to
now
see
if
we
do
have
one
more
person
that
is
lined
up
to
speak,
I'm
gonna.
Last
but
not
least,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
abigail
taylor,
who's,
the
chief
of
of
the
civil
rights
division
for
the
office
of
attorney
general
molly,
mara,
haley,
keep
taylor,
you
don't
have
the
floor
and
then.
R
R
R
R
R
After
a
lawsuit
by
my
division,
the
neighbor
agreed
to
stop
his
racist
behavior
and
is
now
permanently
enjoined
from
communicating
in
any
way
with
his
neighbors
as
another
example.
From
just
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
brought
a
case
against
a
lynn
landlord
who
had
repeatedly
threatened
to
call
ice
against
his
tenants
when
they
complained
about
unsanitary
conditions
in
their
apartments.
R
R
R
We
also
need
better
tools.
I
think,
on
the
criminal
side
as
well,
and
that's
why
we've
been
working
to
clarify
our
hate
crimes
laws
right
now.
We
have
two
laws
in
the
books:
they're
not
really
used
that,
often
to
be
honest,
they're
confusing
they're
unclear
and
we
don't
think
they're
targeted
appropriately
to
combat
hate.
R
Among
other
other
changes,
our
proposal
would
add
immigration
status
as
a
particular
protected
class.
We
welcome
your
feedback
and
encourage
support
of
our
proposal,
but,
listening
to
this
conversation,
I'm
really
reminded
about
how
we
need
to
do
more
than
just
enforcement
and
enforcement's
really
only
one
piece
of
the
puzzle
as
law
enforcement
on
the
civil
and
the
criminal
side.
We
need
to
be
humble
about
this
and
to
recognize
that
again,
we
need
this
more
holistic
approach.
R
R
It
involves
conducting
training
for
law
enforcement,
for
local
officials
and
for
community
groups
and
having
an
open
line
of
communication
with
the
community
groups
that
have
been
discussed
today,
and
it
also
involves
prevention
in
our
schools
and
I'll
just
say.
Lastly,
last
november,
we
put
out
some
guidance
for
schools
around
their
legal
obligations
to
address
hate
and
bias,
and
also
specific
resources
for
them
and
how
to
prevent
these
incidents
and
address
them
with
the
return
to
in-person
learning
in
boston
as
across
the
commonwealth.
R
I
think
schools
need
to
be
really
ready
to
address
these
incidents
when
they
occur.
We're
really
happy
to
be
a
resource
in
that
area,
as
well
as
the
others
that
I've
discussed,
and
it's
just
so
great
to
make
the
connections
in
this
hearing.
With
all
of
you,
I
really
look
forward
to
how
we
might
be
able
to
work
together
moving
forward.
Thank
you
so
much
I
may
have
gone
over
my
time.
I
apologize
for
that.
It's.
B
Okay,
we're
gonna,
let
you
live
a
little
bit
longer.
Everyone
did
so
you're
all
good.
So
I'd
like
to
now
open
up
the
floor
for
my
colleagues
to
ask
their
questions,
and
I
ask
our
you
know
our
counselors
to
please
keep
their
q
a
portions
to
no
more
than
five
minutes,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
counselor
flynn.
Do
you
not
have
the
floor?
Would
love
for
you
to
use
this
moment
to
ask
your
questions
to
our
panel.
A
Thank
you
councilman
here
and
thank
you
to
the
panelists
once
again
the
important
work
you
are
doing
into
abbey
tlra
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
chinese
progressive
association
in
the
attorney
general's
office
on
wage
theft
related
issues,
especially
for
our
restaurant
workers.
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
the
work
of
your
office
and
standing
up
for
immigrant
rights
as
well.
A
When
someone
experiences
a
race,
a
racist
or
discriminatory
incident,
obviously
it
can
find
it
can
be
a
difficult
time
for
that
person,
but
also
to
find
the
right
opportunity
or
who
to
contact
when
to
report.
The
incident,
the
victim
of
a
hate,
crime
or
discrimination
or
a
racist
incident
might
also
be
too
fearful
to
come
forward
and
report
to
authorities.
A
N
Call
paul
donovan
here
I'll
take
that
so
I
think,
most
importantly,
would
be
the
the
nature
of
the
incident.
You
know
if
it
was
an
ongoing
assault,
then
certainly
you
know
that
individual
should
be
calling
911
that
you
know.
If
there's
an
imminent,
you
know
threat
or
danger
to
themselves
or
anyone
else.
911
is
the
first
place
to
call
if
it's,
if
it's
not
of
an
imminent
nature,
you
know
they
can
always.
N
N
N
They
can
facilitate.
You
know
the
language
barrier
and-
and
you
know,
get
a
report
taken
on
that
and
then
get
the
investigative
process
moving.
You
know,
the
biggest
problem
seems
to
be
in
in
reporting
is,
is
the
language
and
trust
you
know
it's,
it's
not
new.
On
that
front.
It's
you
know
it's.
It's
been
for
quite
some
time.
N
You
know
we
we've,
you
know
sought
to.
You
know
make
that
easy.
The
civil
rights
unit
has
a
couple
of
civilian
interpreters
available
for,
for
that
very
reason,
they've
been
there
for
a
number
of
years.
I
I
know
they've
had
you
know
success,
but
yet
still
is
there's
that
you
know
level
of
of
trust.
We've
been
trying
to
deal
with
so
again,
9-1-1
or
contact
the
local
station.
O
Yes,
I'll
add
briefly
on
on
our
end,
with
the
best
way,
I
would
think
of
situations
like
this
would
be
to
contact
3-1-1
right,
which
is
very
simple
for
folks
that
I'm
sure
folks
are
familiar
with
in
most
areas
that
they
can
contact
the
city
three
two
three
one,
one
with
any
issues,
and
certainly
through
3-1-1,
they
can
they'll
refer
it
to
us
right.
Particular
issues
of
hate
crimes
or
discrimination
in
the
city
of
boston,
three-on-one,
folks
know
to
contact
us.
O
A
A
If
anyone
needs
any
help
at
all,
please
let
me
know-
and
my
my
staff
and
myself
will
will
be
able
to
help
with,
especially
with
translation
related
issues
would
be
glad
to
help.
I
also
have
a
woman
on
my
staff
who
speaks
spanish
fluently,
so
I'm
always
available,
regardless
of
the
time
or
the
or
the
location,
we're
here
to
help
anyone
in
the
city.
A
Having
said
that,
with
the
city
budget
process
coming
up,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
at
the
the
various
departments
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
rest
necessary
resources
for
personnel,
so
we
can
hire
maybe
hire
people
that
do
speak
various
languages,
that's
something
I
want
to
advocate.
I
also
want
to
beef
up
the
human
rights
commission
in
terms
of
hiring
advocating
for
hiring
a
director
of
special
investigations.
A
That's
one
of
my
priorities,
but
having
said
that,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
panelists,
the
boston
police,
the
attorney
general's
office,
the
human
rights
commission.
Thank
you
for
the
incredible
work
that
you
are
doing
and
thank
you
to
council
mejia
and
the
original
co-sponsors
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
flynn,
council
flynn.
I
I
everybody
needs
to
be
put
on
notice
that
counselor
flynn
has
been
going
hard
for
all
things
that
deal
with
staffing
and
making
sure
that
people
have
the
funds
and
the
capacity
to
really
do
the
work
right.
One
thing
is
to
propose
things
and
then
the
other
is
to
really
provide
people,
the
tools
that
they
need
to
be
set
up
for
success.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
you.
B
D
Thank
you
and
I'll
be
really
brief,
knowing
that
we
are
past
time,
so
we'll
follow
up
with
questions
to
various
departments,
and
I
know
we'll
have
a
working
session
on
this
too.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
from
this
panel
for
being
here
also
for
your
patients
right.
I
know
how
busy
you
guys
are,
and
you
guys
come
to
these
hearings
and
don't
get
to
speak
until
the
very
end.
Sometimes
it's
not
ideal,
but
so
I
really
want
to
respect
the
fact
that
you
know.
D
I
appreciate
you
guys
sticking
around
to
really
share
with
us
all
the
things
you're
doing.
I
I
want
to
just
echo
what
counselor
flynn
said
looking
forward
to,
of
course,
joining
your
efforts
and
some
of
the
specific
positions
you're
talking
about
budget
cycle
is
coming
up.
We've
been
talking
about
the
human
rights
commission
playing
a
critical
role
and
that's
what's
great
about
the
legislation
that
enables
the
human
rights
commission.
D
D
I
think,
is
a
conversation
for
our
next
budget
cycle
as
well
and
in
looking
forward
to
how
we
think
about
continuing
to
bring
together
various
institutions
whether
it
is
state
organizations
like
the
ag's
office,
really
appreciate
you
abby
being
here
the
commission
against
discrimination
where
many
of
our
residents
go,
but
they
have
usually
a
backlog
of
caseloads.
That
is
unfortunate,
community-based
organizations
that
are
serving
as
mediators
and
conflict.
Resolving
conflicts
clearly
there's
an
infrastructure
that
is
not
coordinated
or
connected.
D
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
just
really
thinking
about
this
infrastructure
that
exists
could
be
maximized
and
more
impactful
to
the
residents
we
all
serve
if
we
didn't
do
it
in
such
a
siloed
way,
so
really
looking
forward
to
the
next
working
session
and
diving
in
there
as
well.
Thank
you
councilman
here
for
your
leadership
with
this
committee
and
hearing
not
easy
to
do
appreciate
you
and
your
team
for
coordinating
dates
so
quickly
and
thank
you
to
councillors,
flynn
and
edwards
for
the
continued
partnership.
Thank
you.
B
B
So
while
we
get
jason
back,
I
just
wanted
to
also
just
share
my
gratitude
for
everyone
who
participated
in
this
conversation
here.
This
is
just
one
of
many.
I
am
going
to
keep
this
in
committee
and,
more
importantly,
I
think
that
the
dialogue-
I
would
love
to
see-
I
you
know,
I
always
say
that
boston
is
resource
rich,
but
coordination,
poor.
We
have
so
many
different
departments,
and
I
think
that
oftentimes
we're
all
having
our
own
individual
conversations.
B
So
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
to
create
space
to
even
bring
boston
public
schools
here
into
the
fall,
the
boston
public
health
commission.
All
of
these
agencies
are
should
be
leaning
into
this
conversation
as
well.
So
my
hope
is
is
that,
as
we
continue
to
move
this
dialogue
forward,
we
think
about
ways
that
we
can
integrate
these
different
departments
into
this
dialogue,
but
I
believe
jason
is
back
with
us
jason.
You
now
have
the
floor.
M
S
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
information
that
everyone
took
time
to
give
out
and
discuss.
I
especially
love
the
all
the
information
given
by
suzanne
and
bethany
regarding
how
it's
not
just
the
impact
of
just
specifically
interpersonal
racism
that
occurs
between
asians
and
other
people,
but
also
just
the
general
grief
of
like
marginalized
peoples,
just
generally
having
issues
with
the
systemic
and
also
internalized
racism
as
well.
S
So
my
I
don't
know
if
I'm
able
to
ask
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that,
for
me,
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
is
really
home
was
when
bethany
had
discussed
that
when
there
were
hate
crimes
or
something
that
were
occurring
to
asian
americans
when
they
get
in
contact
with
the
police.
The
issue
that
would
come
up
is
that
they
would
come
for
the
issue
that
they
called
for,
but
then
sometimes
would
find
other
issues
and
other
problems.
That
would
then
lead
to
unseen
or
unforeseen
circumstances.
S
S
Sorry
about
that,
so
that
would
be
definitely
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
discuss
is
just
that
fact
that,
like
what
boston
police
department
does
discuss
and
how
they
are
able
to
resolve
the
issues,
the
unforeseen
issues
that
come
from
it.
So
now
they
had
already
talked
to
the
ashford
associate
and
said:
oh,
we
already
arrested
somebody
well
when
the
actual
issue
was
there
was
a
shooting,
but
now
they're,
just
starting
to
arrest
anyone
and
that
usually
ends
up
being
the
more
marginalized,
more
impoverished
people.
N
N
At
the
same
time,
and
if
sometimes
you
know
it's,
we
have
to
look
at
those
underlying
issues
and
if
they
contributed
to
that
more
major
incident,
and
if
that
underlying
issue
contributes
to
the
major
incident
by
either
shooting,
then
we
we
may
look
to
you
know
you
know
minimize
or
you
know
disperse
that
that
underlying
issue,
it
all
depends.
We
look
at
each.
N
N
Okay,
they
were
kind
of
maybe
overlooking
what
was
a
minor
issue
which
resulted
in
a
more
major
issue
so
now
that
that
minor
issue
that
they
maybe
were
comfortable
with,
because
it
wasn't
causing
any
problems
now
they
want
that
minor
issue
dealt
with.
So
it's
just
something
we
try
to
you
know,
look
at
you
know
way
and
then
come
up
with.
You
know
some
type
of
balance
plan
to
to
deal
with
and
again
they're
all
individual.