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Docket #0307 - Hearing regarding implementation of the Boston Police Reform task Force’s recommendations and the State Police Reform Bill
A
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
zero,
three
zero
seven.
It
is
for
a
hearing
regarding
the
implementation
of
the
boston
police
reform
task
force's
recommendations
in
the
state
police
reform
bill.
I
first
want
to
thank
my
co-sponsors,
counselors,
mejia
and
arroyo
for
the
continued
partnership
on
these
issues.
A
I
will
say
I
am
deeply
disappointed
and
frustrated
that,
after
weeks
of
notice
about
this
hearing,
the
administration
has
not
sent
any
representatives
from
the
police
department
or
any
department
to
participate
and
answer
the
public's
questions
on
significant
public
safety
issues.
Yesterday,
late
in
the
day
very
late,
in
the
day,
we
were
informed
by
the
administration
that
they
would
not
have
anyone
present
to
testify.
During
today's
hearing
they
sent
a
letter
which,
of
course,
I
will
share
with
all
colleagues
as
well
as
the
public.
A
Insurrection,
no
updates
on
in
the
investigation,
and,
of
course,
there
was
no
information
in
the
letter
regarding
the
troubling
body
camera
footage
that
was
released
from
may
31st
2020,
which
of
course
would
also
have
been
topics
of
discussion
for
this
hearing,
as
demonstrated
by
the
thousands
of
bostonians
who
marched,
who
advocated
who
emailed
us,
who
called
us
over
the
last
year
and
the
questions
I
along
with.
I
know
my
colleagues
get
every
single
day,
including
meetings
I
had
just
last
night.
A
Our
residents
are
counting
on
us
to,
of
course,
act
with
urgency
and
intention
to
transform
our
policing
system
so
that
that
system
is
more
transparent,
more
diverse,
more
just
and
more
accountable.
Just
a
few
months
ago,
we
all
celebrated
the
passage
of
historic
legislation
to
create
an
office
of
office
of
police,
accountability
and
transparency.
A
Along
with
the
civilian
review
board
and
internal
affairs
oversight
panel,
we
celebrated
the
mayor's
commitment
to
adopting
all
of
the
recommendations
from
the
boston
police
reform
task
force.
But
of
course,
there
is
a
big
difference
between
commitments
and
action.
Today's
hearing
is
supposed
to
be
about
the
action
the
city
is
taking
to
implement
these
historic
and,
of
course,
long
overdue.
Policing
reforms
to
increase
accountability,
transparency,
diversity
and
racial
justice
in
our
policing.
A
These
last
and
latest
police
reforms
should
be
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
do
things
differently,
since
we
know
that
the
city
has
not
effectively
delivered
on
its
commitments
to
police
reform
in
the
past,
including,
of
course,
an
executive
order
from
2017
that
was
designed
to
strengthen
the
co-op
board,
but
had
little
impact
to
improve
civilian
oversight
and
accountability,
and,
despite
of
course,
years
of
working
to
implement
police
body
cameras.
We
still
know
that
the
department
has
not
developed
a
very
consistent
policy
or,
frankly,
taking
action
with
respect
to
addressing
any
misconduct
from
footage.
A
If
bpd
were
here
today,
I
would
of
course
have
asked
them
to
confirm
whether
or
not
there
was
an
investigation
into
an
officer's
participation
in
the
january
6
attack
on
the
capitol
the
status
of
that
investigation
and
if
any
disciplinary
action
has
been
taken.
These
are
also
questions.
Residents
wanted
answers
to
and
continue
to
want
answers
to.
A
I
also
want
to
thank
our
unions
and
affinity
groups
who
are
also
here
today
on
this
zoo
to
continue
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversations
related
to
policing
reform,
and
so
before
I
go
to
panelists.
I
do
want
to
give
my
colleagues
an
opportunity
to
say
a
word
or
two
and
starting
with
our
spon,
my
co-sponsors
I'll
start
with
counselor
makia
and
then
I'll
go
to
council
arroyo.
Council,
mejia.
B
Sorry,
I'm
here,
thank
you
for
all
of
that,
so
you
kind
of
pretty
much
summed
it
up.
I'm
just
really
excited
to
dive
into
this
hearing.
I
I
am
like
you
share
you,
the
frustration
around
the
fact
that
the
administration
is
not
here.
This
is
really
disappointing
as,
as
we
know,
this
is
something
that
like,
as
you
mentioned,
has
been
in
the
books
for
a
while,
and
it
just
goes
to
show
the
lack
of
regard
for
the
community
and
the
process.
B
If
you
will
for
me,
I'm
just
really.
I
find
ourselves
time
and
time
and
again
in
the
same
space,
and
we
have
created
this
for
public
servants
to
hold
themselves
accountable
to
the
law,
but
they
refuse
to
show
up
right
the
people
who
are
getting
tired
of
coming
to
the
table
and
being
stood
up
by
the
administration.
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
do
business
differently.
It
shows
a
lack
of
care
for
our
constituents
and
we
need
answers
to
critical
questions,
which
is
what
the
purpose
of
holding
this
space
is
all
about.
B
I
am
incredibly
excited
to
also
uplift
young
people's
voices
in
regards
to
the
civilian
review
board.
It's
an
issue
that
we
have
fought
for,
and
I'm
really
excited
to
have
you
representing
in
this
space
and
we
need
answers
to
accountability.
I
know
the
whole
idea
that
we
don't
know
whether
or
not
one
of
our
police
officers
participated
in
in
the
dc
situation,
and
I'm
just
curious
as
to
where
we'll
end
up
from
here.
So
thank
you,
counselor
campbell
and
councillor
for
your
continued
partnership
in
this
matter.
C
These
answers
does
not
mean
that
these
things
will
not
be
implemented
correctly,
but
it's
certainly
troubling
and
not
a
show
of
good
faith
when
we
are
trying
to
implement
reforms
that
were
frankly
begun.
I
think
in
a
very
civil
way
and
where
there
was
a
lot
of
communication
and
transparency
and
conversation
to
get
to
these
reforms
when
we
can
have
those
who
are
participating
and
implementing
them
present.
C
And
so
I
look
forward
to
moving
from
the
conversations
and
the
questions
that
I
did
have
for
this
administration
into
the
conversations
that
I
have
with
community
and
questions.
I
have
community
as
to
the
ways
that
they
would
like
to
make
sure
that
this
does
get
implemented
and
what
they're
looking
for
and
what
they're
seeing
on
the
ground.
And
so
I
appreciate
you,
madam
chair
for
for
hearing
this
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
from
community.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
council
arroyo.
What
I'm
going
to
do
now
is
actually
bring
up
the
folks
who
are
going
to
participate
in
the
panels
and
then
at
that
time
I
will
go
to
council
colleagues
who
of
course
can
ask
questions
and
and
say
anything
in
an
opening
remark.
I
just
want
to
be
respectful
of
time,
particularly
for
certain
panelists,
who
may
not
be
able
to
stay
for
very
long
and
so
first
ron
and
kerry
if
we
could
and
invite
up.
I
put
that
in
quotes
yvonne
from
lcr.
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It
is
an
honor
to
be
here
with
you
and
your
distinguished
colleagues.
My
name
is
ivan
espinoza
madrigal.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
lawyers
for
civil
rights.
Thank
you
for
convening
us
today.
It
is
unfortunate
that
the
administration
has
not
produced
folks
to
be
able
to
have
a
richer
dialogue
around
these
incredibly
important
issues.
For
starters,
the
january
6
attempted
coup
on
the
capital
marked
a
particularly
low
moment
in
our
democracy
and
in
our
efforts
for
racial
justice
and
police
accountability.
D
These
things
do
not
separate
they're
actually
together
and
the
more
that
we
can
both
applaud
police
for
their
incredibly
great
work,
but
also
hold
them
accountable
when
there
are
issues,
that's
what
this
is
about.
It's
about
making
sure
that
we
can
do
that
and
do
it
in
in
a
place
that
comes
from
constructive
criticism
and
for
empowerment
of
all
of
our
communities.
A
E
E
Many
sections
of
the
new
law
address
the
issues
of
race
and
bias
which
have
arisen
and
been
documented
under
current
police
practices,
but
how
much
progress
is
going
to
be
made
in
implementing
these
new
statutory
requirements
that
address
these?
Incredibly
serious
issues
is
going
to
be
measured
by
how
much
buy-in
there
is
from
the
police
rather
than
having
it
forced
upon
them
by
lawsuits
and
by
pressure
from
the
outside.
E
The
use
of
choke
holds
the
use
of
deadly
force,
and
one
of
the
most
important
aspects
is
the
duty
of
other
police
officers
to
intervene
when
they
see
excessive
force
being
used.
If
the
police
are
not
even
going
to
participate
in
a
public
hearing
about
this
law,
it
is
difficult
to
believe
that
they
are
going
to
implement
the
duty
to
intervene
when
they
see
a
police
officer
breaking
the
law
engaging
in
excessive
force
and
not
respecting
the
the
the
legal
constraints
that
are
placed
upon.
E
A
Thank
you,
jeff,
I'm
going
to
go
to
kerry
and
then
after
carrie
I
will
go
to
david
from
lego
and
then
larry
from
the
patrolmen's
association.
So
I
will
say
obviously
there
is
some
representation
of
police
officers
in
union
leadership
that
is
that
had
always
planned
on
attending
to
be
a
part
of
these
important
conversations.
So
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
kerry.
I
will
go
to
you
next.
A
F
F
Many
know
me
from
the
social
justice
community
work
I've
done
where
I've
organized
black
lives
matter.
Protests
spoke
at
national
institutions
across
the
country,
addressing
racism,
system,
inequalities
and
youth
civic
engagement,
I
mean
I
can
go
on
about
the
work
that
I
do
and
how
much
I
love
my
community.
But
one
thing
I
do
not
love
is
the
abusive
domestic
relationship,
I'm
in
with
america
as
a
black
woman,
specifically
in
boston
too.
Our
criminal
justice
system
here
is
beyond
flawed,
institutionally
rigged
and
plagued
by
crooked
cops.
F
It
goes
hand
in
hand,
and
there
is
no
ignoring
it.
However,
while
many
were
surprised
and
disgusted
by
that
mob
mentality,
video
which
took
place
downtown,
I
was
not
because
that
video
of
how
those
cops
treated
those
protesters
is
just
a
glimpse
of
what
black
and
brown
youth
like
me
faced
in
the
hood
every
day
from
being
slammed
on
the
concrete,
because
you
fit
the
description
to
randomly
being
asked
questions.
While
your
information
is
being
collected
without
your
consent,
discriminatory
racism
is
an
ongoing
phenomenon
and
never
ending
story
for
youth.
F
Like
me,
who
are
constantly
chilling
outside
with
our
friends
and
bound
to
run
into
the
feds,
now
I
can
tell
you
about
our
criminal
justice
system.
I
am
the
oldest
daughter
of
two
formerly
incarcerated
parents.
Both
my
mother
and
father
have
gone
to
jail
as
a
child.
I
saw
my
mother
be
wrongly
accused
and
criminalized
by
law
enforcement.
F
They
manhandled
my
pregnant
mother
and
put
handcuffs
on
her
right.
In
my
face
fast
forwarding
to
my
teenage
years.
I
also
saw
my
father
wrongly
accused
and
locked
up
for
a
crime.
He
did
not
do
they.
They
took
him
away
from
me
in
my
face.
While
I
was
screaming
begging
and
choking
on
tears,
yet
I
still
had
to
go
to
school
the
next
day.
F
Like
nothing
happened,
I
can
tell
you
how
psychologically
sick
our
criminal
justice
system
is
because
in
both
instances
I
was
never
offered
trauma,
support
services
or
resources,
and
most
times
we
as
black
kids,
who
go
through
that,
don't
we
never
do
so.
We
remain
the
silent
victims
to
white
supremacy's
violence
accompanied
by
the
police.
It
took
me
until
I
got
older
to
understand
that
I
what
I
went
through
was
violence
in
december
of
2018.
F
F
On
the
day
before
my
18th
birthday,
five
officers
pulled
the
gun
out
on
me,
my
mom
and
grandmother
in
our
own
driveway.
They
held
us
at
gunpoint
out
of
quote
unquote,
mistaken
identity,
three
generations
of
black
women
looking
down
the
barrel
of
a
gun,
completely
skipping
all
the
proper
police
protocols.
They
never
even
asked
for
our
names,
no
id
to
step
out
the
car
or
even
search
the
car.
Just
guns
automatically
aimed
at
our
faces
just
a
hands
up
and
we
said,
don't
shoot.
F
We
were
pulling
into
the
driveway
from
my
godmother's
funeral
when
they
ambushed
us,
and
I
thought
it
was
about
to
turn
into
another
one,
but
instead
my
funeral,
with
their
fingers
trembling
on
the
trigger.
All
I
could
see,
was
hallucinations
of
blood,
splattered
everywhere
and
visions
of
a
triple
murder
homicide
covered
up
by
the
police.
F
I
thought
to
myself
if
I
was
to
die
right
now.
Nobody
would
know
my
story
if
he
blows
that
bullet
through
my
grandmother's
brain
right
now,
the
world
may
never
know
about
it
and
if
they
take
the
woman
who
gave
me
birth
life
would
not
be
worth
living
after
they
realized.
They
got
the
wrong
people.
They
slowly
put
the
guns
down
and
left.
That
night
was
a
violation
of
my
rights,
not
just
my
rights,
but
also
my
mother
and
my
grandmother's
rights.
They
failed
to
follow
protocol
and
trespassed
our
property.
F
I
thought
they
were
going
to
kill
us.
I
thought
I
wasn't
going
to
make
it
to
18..
However,
I
feel
as
if
the
worst
part
of
it
all
is
that
those
same
officers
are
still
out
there
patrolling
our
communities
with
no
accountability.
I
came
close
to
being
a
brianna
taylor,
a
sandra
bland
in
boston.
That
is
unacceptable
as
a
city,
we
must
do
better
and
include
youth.
Like
me,
in
the
conversation
because
I,
as
ayana
presley
said,
the
people
closest
to
the
pain
should
be
closest
to
the
power.
F
A
No
thank
you
carrie
for
being
here
for
sharing
your
powerful
story
and
lifting
up
why
this
conversation
continues
to
be
critically
important
every
day
and
why
accountability
transparency
are
things
we
still
need
to
do
in
the
city
of
boston.
So
thank
you
so
much
carrie.
I'm
now
going
to
go
for
opening
remarks
or
quick
introductions
as
well
I'll
start
with
david
from
lego,
and
then
I
will
go
to
larry.
G
Thank
you
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
david
hernandez,
I'm
with
the
latino
law
enforcement
group
of
boston
vice
chairman
first
off,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
kerry
and
I'm
sorry
that
she
had
to
go
through
that
experience
growing
up
in
the
city
of
boston.
I've
shared
similar
experiences
as
a
person
of
color
in
the
city,
whether
dealing
with
police
officers,
both
in
the
state
and
outside
the
state.
I've
had
similar
incidences
and
I've
had
family
and
friends
deal
with
that.
So
gary,
I'm
sorry
that
you
had
that
experience.
G
G
G
If
they
didn't
and
explain
to
you
what
was
going
on
or
helped,
you
understand
or
shared
an
opportunity
for
you
to
get
some
assistance
after
that,
because
there
is,
there
are
those
resources
out
there
and
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
that
when
it
comes
to
stepping
in.
I
believe
that
boston
is
doing
a
better
job.
I
have
personally
witnessed
this
on
and
off
the
job
police
officers.
Stepping
in
telling
someone
to
stop.
G
G
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
part
of
our
role
as
an
organization
jaguar
boston.
We
formed
in
2017
in
order
to
address
these
issues
of
diversity
and
inclusion
inside
the
city
of
boston,
and
we
have
really
started
to
push
towards
that.
This
isn't
a
new
conversation
for
us
as
an
organization.
This
is
something
that
we
continue
to
push
forward
along
with
manlio
the
massachusetts
association
for
minority
law
enforcement
officers.
Bpa
has
jumped
in
and
helped
us
as
well
and
cvpa
and
the
jade
society.
G
We
all
we've
all
been
working
together
to
help
diversify
boston
in
ways
that
we
can
jago
boston
created.
An
organize
excuse
me,
a
program
called
the
pre-academy
training
program
back
in
2019
and
what
that
was
was
basically
an
organization.
Excuse
me,
a
program
that
was
developed
to
assist
and
inner-city
students,
specifically
people
of
color,
to
become
police
officers.
What
we
were
finding
was
that
many
people
of
color
were
struggling
to
go
through
a
police
academy
for
a
number
of
different
reasons.
G
So
this
conversation
of
diversity
and
diversifying
our
department,
it's
not
a
new
conversation.
I
can't.
I
can't
stress
that
enough.
I
think
that
boston,
it's
its
employees,
its
police
officers,
really
understand
that
especially
the
ones
of
color
that
have
been
that
have
been
fighting
this
this
this
fight
for
a
very
long
time
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
we're
making
traction
with
organizations
like
jago
that
are
really
trying
to
make
the
difference.
G
G
I
think,
as
people
of
color
have
been
growing
up
in
in
in
areas
like
jamaica,
plain,
roxbury
roslindale.
I
know
that
in
communities
of
color
we
oftentimes
tell
our
community
members
not
to
be
police
officers,
don't
snitch
all
this
stuff,
but
in
reality
we
need
to
be
changing
the
conversation.
If
we
want
our
people
to
be
in
positions
of
police
officers
so
that
they
can
be
representative
of
our
communities,
then
we
are
responsible
as
leaders.
G
Ultimately,
that
is
the
goal
that
we
want
as
a
community,
our
police
officers
to
be
peacemakers,
and
if
we
continue
to
push
this
narrative
that
all
police
officers
are
mad,
that
all
police
officers
aren't
doing
the
right
thing,
then
I'm
going
to
tell
you
right
now
we're
not
going
to
get
anywhere,
but
if
we
change
the
conversation
and
encourage
people
to
be
part
of
part
of
the
change.
Instead
of
saying
that
everyone
is
bad,
then
we
can
get
a
lot
further.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
H
Thank
you
just
checking.
I
apologize
about
my
screen,
I'm
having
some
computer
issues
here,
as
you
see,
but
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody
for
inviting
the
boston,
police,
patrolman's
association.
Here
you
are
correct,
counselor.
I
know
we've
had
other
conversations
prior
to
this
about
the
bppa,
be
it
included.
We
represent
the
1600,
odd
patrol
offices
that
answer
the
911
calls
on
the
street
daily
and
without
a
doubt.
H
It's
awful
to
hear
these
stories,
but
I
also
have
to
say
publicly
that
I
think
my
membership,
the
men
and
women
out
there
daily
are
doing
a
great
job.
It's
not
to
say
that
people
aren't
experiencing
what
they
say:
they're
they're
experiencing
on
the
street,
but
I
don't
read
about
boston
police
officers
in
the
paper
being
accused
of
things
that
may
happen
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
H
A
Thank
you
and
just
a
reminder.
The
goal,
of
course,
was
to
have
unions
the
department,
the
administration,
of
course,
council
colleagues,
organizations
on
the
ground
constituents
residents
engaging
in
this
conversation,
and
I
know
that
the
majority,
if
not
all
the
questions,
were
for
the
administration
on
updates
and
status.
But
I
do
want
to
turn
it
over
to
my
council.
Colleagues,
if
you
want
to
say
a
word
or
two
or
if
you
have
questions
for
any
of
the
panelists,
that's
fine.
A
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
campbell
and
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
for
filing
this
hearing.
Looking
forward
to,
I
know
the
some
of
the
leaders
throughout
the
city
provided
updates.
So
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
about
about
the
proposal,
the
recommendations-
and
I
guess
I
just
had
a
question
for
david
and
a
thank
you
again
to
all
the
participants
that
have
provided
excellent
testimony
just
but
just
wanted
to
thank
david
and
acknowledge
the
the
role
the
latinx
latino
minor
officers
are
playing
in
our
city.
I
I
Just
wanted
to
ask
david
what
what
are
we
looking
for
going
forward
in
terms
of
your
advocacy
in
in
working
with
man
leo
and
working
with
the
boston
police,
on
outreach
to
communities
of
color
in
terms
of
recruiting
for
for
boston,
police
officers?
And
I
know
we
have,
we
have
made
some
strides
recently,
but
just
want
to
see
what
your
thoughts
are.
G
G
G
Additionally,
other
agencies
from
outside
of
boston,
like
the
state
police,
have
inquired
about
helping
create
a
program
to
help
diversify
the
state
police.
One
of
one
of
the
facts
that
I
recently
found
out
that
I
had
no
idea
prior
to
one
of
our
female
students
going
to
join
the
state
police.
They
had
only
had
nine
women
of
color
in
the
history
of
the
state
police,
and
one
of
our
women
that
went
through
our
jaigo
program
is
now
one.
J
G
Those
women,
I
think
she
made
the
tenth
one.
So
that's
that's
a
that's
a
number
we're
very
proud
of,
and
she
comes
back
to
join
us
and
and
we're
working
with
the
state
police,
like
I
said,
in
order
to
develop
a
program
for
them
that
works
for
them
in
the
future.
So
there
is
a
lot
being
done.
It's
a
slow
process
because
it's
it
takes
a
manpower
and
all
of
jago's
students.
Excuse
me
all
of
jergo's
instructors
are
all
volunteers.
G
G
But
with
that
being
said,
that's
the
pre-academy
training
portion
of
it.
Additionally,
we
work
with
the
community,
creating
programs
of
helping
our
latinx
community,
know
their
rights
and
we're
hoping
to
expand
that
in
working
with
manlio
and
the
bppa
and
the
jade
society
as
well,
so
that
we
can
then
inform
the
rest
of
the
community.
I
Thank
you.
That's
good
information
that
you
provided.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
man
leo
in
with
the
jade
society,
trying
to
do
a
little
bit
of
recruitment
in
in
the
asian
communities
of
boston,
with
with
captain
fong
from
the
boston
police
who,
just
who
just
retired
but
did
an
excellent
job,
but
again
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
pianos
for
being
here,
for
your
advocacy
for
the
patrolmen
association
for
being
here
for
your
work
and
with
the
residency
and
my
my
colleagues
as
well.
A
K
You
thank
you
councillor
campbell
and
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
for
being
here
today.
This
is
a
hugely
important
conversation
that
will
be
ongoing
for
many.
Hopefully,
we
can
make
progress
and
I'm
very
encouraged
and
excited
to
hear
about
the
work
that
the
latino
law
enforcement
officers
are
doing
and
in
terms
of
trying
to
diversify
our
police
force.
K
My
history
I
come
from
northern
ireland
and,
and
the
troubles
there
were
a
lot
of
it
was
the
police
force
was
predominantly
protestant
in
police,
catholic
communities
and
part
of
the
roof.
Peace
process
was
to
diversify
the
police
force
and
ensure
that
the
catholic
community
was
represented
in
the
police
force
to
a
greater
extent,
police
forces
anywhere
should
represent
the
community
that
they
serve.
So
I'm
really
excited
about
this
work
and-
and
I'm
also
excited
by
the
concept
of
officers
being
peacemakers
in
the
republic
of
ireland.
K
The
police
force
is
called
the
guardia
chicana,
which
means
the
keepers
of
the
peace,
so
I
think,
being
changing
the
the
framing
of
what
police
work
is
about,
and
and
and
stepping
back
from,
a
militarized,
more
approach
to
policing
in
our
communities
is
critically
important.
So
I
really
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation
and
learning
more
about
the
work
that
you're
all
doing
and
hope
that
we
can
continue
to
keep
the
conversation
going
and
make
the
change
that
needs
to
happen.
Thank
you.
K
L
A
L
L
L
He
served
in
the
military,
very
upsetting
citizen,
volunteers,
all
that
good
stuff
and
the
description
they're
looking
for
were
two
black
men
in
the
car.
I
at
first
I
was
baffled
by
that
would
even
happen
to
him.
But
boss
was
terrified
that
I'd
also
been
in
the
car
with
him.
It
would
even
more
affirmed
their
assumptions
that
through
the
guilty
party
and
there's
never
a
stop
to
confirm
identity
to
check
with
the
rental
company.
L
If
the
car
had
been
loaned
out
to
someone
else
had
been
returned,
and
so
you
see
these
sort
of
things
happening
all
the
time
where
things
that
you
don't
even
have
control
over
you're,
demonized
for
and
wrongfully
contained,
and
no
one
should
have
to
worry
about
getting
just
a
rental
car
and
thinking
oh
well.
They
think
that
you
know
anything
that
happened
with
the
previous
owner
would
be
just
tied
to
me
because
the
color
of
my
skin
or
the
neighborhood
I
live
in
and
even
though
some
cities
might
have
worse
policing
problems.
L
I'm
not
sure
what
else
I
can
add
other
than
I
wish
that
I
would
just
see
more
more
done
from
the
administration.
I
always
see
that
you
know
people
acknowledge
problems,
but
I
want
to
see
implementation
of
real
policies.
This
is
the
real
real
world.
These
have
real
consequences
for
people
every
every
other
day.
There's
a
publication,
systemic
races
in
america,
police
brutality
in
america.
L
L
A
No
thank
you,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
you
would
take
time
to
attend
to
share
right.
We
want
to
create
the
space
and
to
share
such
powerful
testimony
about
you
and
your
friend.
I
look
forward
to
continue
to
stay
in
touch
with
you,
but
really
appreciate
you
lifting
up
everything
you
said
today
and
demanding
that
this
city
do
better
and,
like
you
said,
we
don't
need
any
more
examples
of.
Why
so,
thank
you
so
much
harrison
and
we'll
stay
in
touch
with
you.
B
Me,
of
course
it
would
not
be
a
public
hearing
unless
somebody
can't
be
heard,
so
I
just
want
to
first
thank
the
advocates
that
have
spoken
as
well
as
members
of
various
unions
and
groups.
I'm
really
encouraged
by
david's
remarks
in
terms
of
like
a
pathway
to
creating
diversity,
and
it's
just
you
know
it's.
It
does
feel
like.
We
keep
having
the
same
conversation
and
I
think
you're
dead
on
in
terms
of
like
changing
the
conversation
right,
but
the
reality
is.
B
B
So
I
really
do
look
forward
to
working
alongside
you
all
on
that
and
what
that's
going
to
look
like.
So
you
can
count
on
me
as
a
partner
in
that
journey.
In
the
meantime,
I
I
do
want
to
just
uplift,
and
I
hope
that
carrie's
still
with
us
we're
so
excited
that
we
were
able
to
call
on
her
and
ask
her
to
testify
and
to
utilize
her
voice.
B
What
it
looks
like
when
it's
young
people
who
are
at
the
forefront
dealing
with
these
realities
so
to
have
that
youth
voice
is
so
incredibly
important,
and
so
my
question
is
specifically
to
carry
if
we,
if
she
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
it's
important,
to
have
a
youth
member
on
this
board,
but
to
provide
them
a
stipend
instead
of
asking
them
to
be
a
volunteer.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
kerry
in
terms
of?
B
F
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
question.
I
think
that's
a
good
question
and
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
are
considering
compensating
us
for
our
work
because
a
lot
of
times
black
and
brown
people,
you
know
we're
doing
this
essential
work,
but
we're
never
compensated
for
or
our
work
is
not
valued,
which
is
what
I
also
like
about
teen
empowerment,
because
I
also
work
with
harrison.
We
both
work
together
through
teen
empowerment
and
what
makes
teen
empowerment
different
from
a
lot
of
organizations,
is
that
they
pay
us.
F
And
that
happens
a
lot
so
and
the
reason
why
it's
important
to
have
a
youth
representative
on
the
board
is
so
many
youth
grow
up.
Believing
in
this
misconception
that
violence
only
looks
like
gang
violence
right
when,
in
reality,
gang
violence
and
the
gang
unit
act
the
same
and
have
the
same
psychological
impacts
on
your
mental
health
and
how
you
view
the
world
as
a
black
person
or
as
a
young
person.
F
So
yeah.
That's
why
I
think
that
young
people
should
be
a
part
of
the
conversation.
Also,
how
is
the
conversation
going
to
be
about
them,
but
them
is
never
in
the
conversation.
I
say
that
all
the
time
so
bringing
young
people
to
the
conversation
will
be
more
of
a
accurate
reflection
of
how
our
city
needs
to
be,
and
it
also
reflects
who
are
the
civilians?
The
the
civilians
that
are
being
impacted
by
these
encounters
with
the
police
are
young
people
as
well.
So
why
not
have
the
people
who
are
impacted
on
that
board?.
B
Thank
you
for
that,
and
now
you
all
know
I
carry
we'll
be
running
for
office
one
day,
okay,
but
we're
here
right
now
I
would
love
for
yvonne.
You
are
definitely
also
a
thought
partner
with
us
in
this
work
and
really
do
appreciate
how
you
always
show
up.
I'm
curious
from
a
lens
of
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
seeing
around
immigration
and
and
the
interactions
with
those
who
are
undocumented,
just
curious.
D
D
These
are
incidents,
many
of
which
do
not
involve
violence
or
drugs
or
weapons
but
which,
once
there's
a
report
about
those
reports,
can
be
passed
on
from
school
resource
officers
to
law
enforcement
at
bpd
and
from
bpd
to
fusion
centers
like
the
brick
intelligence
centers
like
the
bric,
where
federal
agencies
like
ice
have
access
to
those
records.
So
even
though
it's
not
a
law
enforcement
official.
Turning
over
a
record
directly,
you
know
they're
not
handing
a
record
directly
to
to
a
deportation
officer.
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
indulgence.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
for
jeff,
and
this
is
in
regards
to
the
insurrection.
Is
that
what
how
you
pronounce
it
that
happened
in
dc,
and
so
there
we're
so
unknown
whether
or
not
we've
had
office
you
know
there
is.
There
is
a
rumor
that
there
might
be
some
boston
police
officers
that
participated
in
such
and
I'm
just
curious
from
a
legal
perspective,
because
if
they
were
to
do
this
on
their
own
time,
but
they
are
boston
city
employees,
I'm
just
curious.
B
Can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
for
our
audience,
particularly
those
who
may
not
understand
what
is
at
stake
for
these
folks
if
they
did
participate
in
in
in
this
activity,
so
that
people
can
understand
to
the
extent
of
the
law
and
the
understanding
from
a
workforce
development?
What
people
can
and
cannot
do,
because
I
know
we're
calling
for
folks
to
if
they
did
participate,
that
they
should
be
terminated
from
their
work.
B
So
I'm
just
curious
if
you
could
help
our
audience,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people
who
are
tuning
in
so
they
can
understand
what
that
means,
and
what
would
that
look
like
for
for
if,
if
found
in
not
found
not
in
concept
of
core,
but
it
found
that
they
were
participating
in
such
a
thing
like?
What
would
that
look
like?
Can
you
can
you
help
our
audience
understand
that?
Please
sure.
E
So
if
a
police
officer
or
any
municipal
employee,
but
police
officers
being
held
to
a
higher
standard,
participated
in
criminal
acts
and
beyond
the
their
free
expression
of
their
first
amendment
rights,
that
is
attending
a
rally
or
you
know
a
speech
or
something
like
that.
But
if
they
participated
in
the
insurrection
that
occurred
in
washington
dc
and
trespassing
destroying
property,
you
know
attempting
to
injure
other
police
officers
attempting
to
interfere
with
the
congress
and
so
forth.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
that,
and
thank
you
for
educating
our
audience
because
there's
a
lot
of
chatter
out
here
in
regards
to
you
know
who,
who
do
we
think
we
are
type
of
situations
and
joe
and
enforcing
that,
but
thank
you
for
breaking
it
down
for
those
who
have
any
questions
as
to
why
we're
calling
for
such.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
and
thank
you,
council
campbell
for
allowing
me
to
have
extra
time.
Thank
you.
A
Oh,
thank
you
councilman,
it's
just
fine
and
now
I'm
going
to
go
to
council
royal,
but
I
have
to
say
this.
You
know
when
listening
to
carrie
but
also
harrison,
I
believe
it.
It
just
stresses.
Obviously,
the
urgent
need
for
not
just
accountability.
We've
been
talking
about
that
for
so
long,
but
to
get
this
oppat
office,
civilian
review
board,
set
up
immediately
and
and
funded
appropriately,
so
that
folks
have
a
place
to
go.
A
So
I
just
had
to
say
that
council
royal
sorry,
you
have
the
floor,
you
get
it
and
I
think
we
all
get
it
from
a
personal
space
as
to
why
this
accountability
apparatus
is
so
critically
needed
and
important.
But
in
turning
it
over
to
you,
I
just
had
to
lift
that
up
because
it
was
very
triggering
to
say
the
least.
Counselor
you
have
the
floor.
C
C
We
fought
for
these
reforms
now
that
we
have
these
reforms.
The
implementation
is
incredibly
important
and
so
yvonne
and
jeff
you're,
both
here
larry
as
well
as
david.
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
so
my
questions
for
all
of
you
and
I'd
start
with
iman,
then
jeff
and
larry
and
dave.
If
you
have
an
answer
for
this,
what
are
the
aspects
of
the
implementation
which,
frankly,
I'm
not
even
sure
where
the
city
totally
is
on
implementing
these
things,
but
the
aspects
of
implementation?
C
When
you
look
at
the
reforms
that
we
have,
what
are
the
places
where
you
say
this
is
incredibly
important
that
we
get
this
right.
This
is
where
we
have
to
focus
our
attention.
This
is
the
part
here
that
we
really
need,
and
for
me,
that
question
is
both
for
yvonne,
jeff
and
larry
and
david.
I
know
that
mam
leo
was
at
the
table
for
these
reforms.
C
I
believe,
but
I'm
not
certain,
that
your
goal
was
there,
but
in
terms
of
just
what
we've
got
on
paper,
what
we've
signed
into
law
with
that?
What
are
we
trying
to
ensure
most
importantly
gets
implemented
in
that
step?
If
there's
something
we
have
to
prioritize,
but
there's
something
there
to
look
at
what
is
that
for
you?
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
counselor
arroyo.
There
are
many
critical
pieces
of
the
task
force
recommendations
and
the
states
police
reform
legislation
that
need
to
be
implemented.
So
I
echo
the
sentiments
you
just
described
I'll
hone
in
on
just
one
or
two
of
these
pieces.
One
is
and-
and
I
will
here
lift
again
what
we
heard
from
counselor
kemple,
who
who
said
it's
one
thing
to
have
people
who've
been
affected
by
police
violence
to
come
here
in
the
incredibly
powerful
and
inspiring
way
that
carry
and
harrison
have
done
today.
D
D
D
And
so
I
would
suggest
that,
even
as
we
set
up
accountability
mechanisms
that
we
are
able
to
continue
having
this
conversation
through
the
city
council,
through
city
hall
and
other
and
other
bodies,
so
that
we
can
fine-tune
things
that
are
not
working
right
and
so
leaving
the
issue
alive
is
critical
so
that
we
can
provide
remedies,
and
course
correct.
As
we
continue
on
this
journey
to
making
sure
that
law
enforcement
officials
are
being
a
more
transparent,
respectful
and
that
they're
actually
doing
their
job
in
the
service
of
community
and
not
against
community.
E
E
Excuse
me.
The
second
thing
which
is
changing
the
culture
of
the
police
department
is
that
the
state
law
now
requires
police
officers
who
witness
other
police
officers
engaging
in
excessive
force
to
intervene.
They
have
to
intervene
and
they
have
to
report
a
fellow
officer
to
their
supervisors
if
they
witness
that
officer
using
excessive
force
that
doesn't
happen.
E
E
So
those
are
the
two
things
in
the
in
the
state
bill
that
will
help
to
change
the
culture
and
the
orientation
of
policing
in
our
state.
It's
a
it's
a
step
forward,
but
it
has
to
be
implemented
and
it
has
to
be
emphasized
without
that,
if
it's
just
a
law
on
the
books,
that's
not
going
to
change
anything.
G
Yeah
I'll
step
in
so
first
off,
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
both
jeff
and
ivan
for
sharing
those
thoughts.
I
first
want
to
touch
on
the
the
topic
of
culture
and
policing
so
prior
to
becoming
a
police
officer.
I
will
admit
that
I
wasn't
a
big
fan
of
police
officers
like
many
people
on
this
call.
G
G
G
There
are
people
like
myself
who
have
dealt
with
police
brutality,
growing
up
that
are
people
of
color
that
are
people
that
are
that
are
caucasian,
that
are
white,
that
have
gone
through
police
brutality
in
their
own
ways.
I
know
because
I'm
a
police
officer
and
I've
interacted
with
them.
I
know
because
that
they
are
probably
like
yourself,
a
white
man
who
has
seen
injustice
in
the
black
community,
black
and
brown
communities
and
have
chosen
to
do
policing
to
stop
those
things
from
happening.
So
I
guess
it's
it.
I
know
that
from
the
outside.
G
I
can
count
on
my
hands.
Maybe
two
incidences
where
I
have
seen
a
white
police
officer,
specifically
a
white
police
officer
do
something
that
has
crossed
the
line,
and
I
have
seen
another
white
police
officer
step
in
and
tell
them
essentially
to
excuse
my
language
but
cut
it
out
right.
So
I
guess
I
will
say
that
the
culture
is
changing.
It
is
a
matter
also
of
older
generations
of
policing,
leaving
because
in
the
academy,
we
are
taught
to
de-escalate
situations.
G
What
is
called
what
we
call
in
the
academy,
verbal
judah
right,
de-escalating
situations
and
talking
to
people
so
that
we
don't
have
to
you
know,
result
to
a
use
of
force
situation
putting
hands
on
anybody.
Anybody
at
any
point,
is
the
very
last
thing
that
we
ever
want
to
do.
The
majority
of
the
people
that
I
work
with
the
majority
of
people
that
I
speak
to
both
in
the
city
and
outside
the
city,
don't
like
putting
their
hands
on
anyone.
That
is
not
something
that
most
police
officers
want
to
do.
G
I
think
another
thing
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
regards
to
culture
is
when
or
something
that
the
community
I
think,
needs
to
understand
too,
when
police
officers
are
showing
up
more
than
one
to
a
scene
oftentimes
we
get
the
feedback
from
the
community.
That's,
oh!
Well!
Why
are
there
so?
Many
of
you
here
it's
so
that
there
can
be
a
accountability
for
one
right,
so
there's
not
one
person
by
himself
that
can
sit
there
and
say
oh
well.
This
is
how
the
story
went
down.
G
No
now
we
have
multiple,
multiple
police
officers
and
not
only
that
we
have
now
multiple
cameras
that
are
on
scene.
That's
going
to
prevent
any
type
of
those
actions
from
happening,
so
I
guess
those
things
are
changing.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
have
to
discuss
and
as
for
the
blue
wall
of
silence,
does
it
exist?
I
think,
to
some
extent
it
does
absolutely
still
exist.
I
think,
if
we're
talking
about
massachusetts
specifically,
I
think
we
see
it
less
and
less.
Does
it
exist?
G
Yes,
I'm
not
again,
it
does
exist,
but
I
think
when,
when
you
have
police
officers
who
have
personally
been
affected
by
police
brutality
in
their
life,
they're
not
going
to
stay
silent,
I
don't
stay
silent
and
other
police
officers
don't
say
silence.
So
again,
I
think
it
is
changing
and,
lastly,
to
just
touch
on
the
civilian
review
board.
I
I
actually
agree
with
the
civilian
review
board,
but
I
think
that
it's
something
that
really
needs
to
be
looked
at
thoroughly.
G
G
H
Sure
counselor
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
as
well
I'll,
try
and
take
it
from
the
top.
After
listening
to
all
the
individuals
prior
all
aspects
of
the
state
bill,
which
is
now
a
law
or
important
how
it's
implemented
and
what
takes
place
is
what
remains
to
be
seen.
But
we
don't
know,
but
time
will
tell
on
what
aspects
of
the
bill
are
effective
or
ineffective.
H
I've
been
a
police
officer
for
over
25
years,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
they've
been
teaching
de-escalation,
probably
before
I
went
through
the
academy
and
it's
pounded
into
our
head
at
every
level
of
supervision,
regardless
of
what
district
or
unit
you
work
for
within
the
police
department,
de-escalation
seems
to
be
thrown
around
quite
easily
like
it's
a
new
concept.
I
assure
you
it's
not
every
police
officer
that
shows
up
on
the
scene
is
thinking
before
he
or
she
gets
there
how
to
de-escalate
a
situation.
H
H
Maybe
a
car
scene,
maybe
a
domestic,
and
you
may
get
a
better
understanding
as
to
what
the
job
actually
entails,
and
you
may
have
a
a
more
appreciative
stance
when
you
talk
about
police
reform
and
I
don't
mean
to
sound
overly
aggressive.
But
at
one
point
one
of
the
two
attorneys
talked
about
making
changes
for
the
better
for
the
department
that
police
officers
should
be
here
to
protect
the
community,
not
work
against
them.
H
I
assure
you
that
after
my
long
time
on
the
job,
every
boston,
police
officer
that
I've
worked
next
to
or
that
I've
observed
is
here
to
protect
the
citizenry
they're,
not
working
against
them.
I
can
assure
you
that,
can
we
do
our
job
better
sure
we
can,
just
like
any
profession,
can
do
their
job
better.
H
H
H
So
if
you
really
want
to
train
better
police
officers
and
make
changes
that
we
would
say,
new
training
is
going
to
provide
and
we
should
be
putting
more
money
in
the
budget,
allocating
it
or
air
marketing
for
training,
and
you
may
have
better
results
so
I'll
end
with
this,
I'm
very
thankful
to
be
part
of
the
conversation.
Finally
counselor
campbell.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
bringing
me
to
the
table.
With
this
invitation,
I
would
love
to
be
part
of
further
discussions.
H
I
think
most
of
you
had
said
that
we
need
to
have
realistic
discussions,
just
things
that
we
can
do
together
to
make
policing
better,
and
I
agree
with
you,
but
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
you
need
to
have
police
officers
involved
in
those
conversations
involved
in
the
decision-making
process.
It
cannot
be
non-police
officers
that
are
going
to
make
that
decision
or
that
determining
training
or
certification
and
decertification
by
themselves,
because
they
have
no
experience
in
that
arena.
H
A
Thank
you,
larry
well
I'll,
just
say
yeah
once
yes,
one
second
counselor
I'll
just
say.
Thank
you
larry.
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
officers
absolutely
have
to
be
at
the
table.
With
respect
to
these
conversations
I
don't
agree
with
the
defunding
or
the
reallocation
piece,
but
I
can
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
I
do
want
to
go
to
counselor
arroyo
for
anything
else.
C
Go
ahead,
yep
and
I'll
make
it
quick,
and
for
me
I
just
want
to
address
one
of
the
things
I
heard
there
about
de-escalation
being
some
panacea
or
that
we've
trained
it
forever
and
all
officers
think
that
and
they've
been
trained
through
it
and
further
training.
You
know
as
we're
fooling
ourselves
or
whatever
that
is.
The
reality
is
the
experiences
that
I've
had
the
experiences
that
people
on
this
panel
have
had
frankly,
the
experiences
that
david
hernandez
officer,
david
hernandez,
has
shared
and
the
reality
that
we
see
these
instances
on
the
force.
C
What
I'm
hearing
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
if
this
was
the
intention-
is
that
de-escalation
is
not
new
for
the
officers
conducting
that
behavior,
that
they've
been
trained
in
de-escalation
and
they're.
Choosing
not
to
do
that,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
for
me
here
is:
if
the
focus
is
that
you
know
it's
not
a
new
idea,
we've
done.
De-Escalation,
we
train
and
de-escalation
and
we're
still
having
instances
where
officers
are,
are
choosing
to
be
excessive
in
their
force
or
excessive
in
their
manner
or
unprofessional.
C
Then
it
sounds
to
me
like
the
problem
is
not
a
training
issue,
and
that
requires
a
different
solution
and
when
we're
talking
about
you
know,
officers,
censuring
or
or
or
disciplining,
other
officers
and
being
at
the
table.
What
I
know
to
be
true
about
that
in
bpd
is
that
officers
of
color
are
disciplined
in
a
way
that
is
different
than
officers
who
are
not
of
color
for
the
very
same
offenses,
and
that
data
was
painstakingly
put
together
by
the
boston
globe.
C
And
so,
if
we're
seeing
discrepancies
in
both
fio
stops
and
how
the
community
is
being
treated.
But
we're
also
seeing
discrepancies
on
how
officers
are
treating
other
officers
of
color,
then
I
would
speak
to
this
kind
of
as
a
cultural
problem,
not
necessarily
a
training
problem.
And
so
those
are
the
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at.
It's
not
a
gut,
feel
thing.
It's
a
statistics
and
what
we're
doing
with
those
statistics
and
what
we're
doing
with
that
data.
But
if
the
argument
is
that
we've
already
trained.
M
C
Escalation
for
all
these
officers
who
are
behaving
in
this
kind
of
behavior,
and
it's
not
sticking,
then
that's
a
different
conversation
entirely,
and
so
you
know
I
appreciate
everybody's
presence
here.
I
appreciate
officer
hernandez's
candor.
I
appreciate
larry
calderon,
who
I
believe
is
also
still
currently
an
acting
officer.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
you
being
here.
Thank
you,
jeff
and
thank
you.
Evan.
A
F
Ahead,
I
agree
with
what
arroyo
said.
I
also
think
that
all
of
our
perceptions
of
reality
is
influenced
by
society
in
some
sort
of
way,
and
especially
if
you
have
not
grown
up
in
the
city
of
boston
or
in
one
of
those
specific
neighborhoods
of
dorchester,
roxbury
or
madispan
some
officers,
because
I
used
to
actually
work
with
the
officers.
F
I
have
facilitated
and
hosted
police
youth
dialogues
and
community
police
dialogues
through
teen
empowerment,
and
what
I've
heard
from
some
officers
is
that
their
perception
of
reality
has
been
skewed
by
racial
biases,
unconsciously,
and
that
happens
a
lot.
And
so
you
know
I've
been
thinking
about
what
is
the
implementation
of
racial
bias?
F
And
so
there
is
differences
that
I'm
seeing
between
the
protests
and
a
lot
of
black
and
brown
protesters
being
treated
differently
when
it
comes
to
the
escalation
versus.
When
you
know
a
riot
breaks
out,
because
the
red
sox
lost
in
south
bay-
and
you
know
they
are
treated
with
more
care
down
there,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
what
do
we
do
about
that?
F
And
I
think
that
you
know
we
should
be
leading
by
statistics
data
and
we
should
be
informed,
informative,
driven
when
it
comes
to
this.
Instead
of
what
we
see
and
what
we
see
on
the
shift,
because
you
know
what
you
may
see
on
your
shift
does
not
mean
that
every
officer
is
operating
in
the
same
way
that
you
do.
A
Thank
you
so
much
carrie
and
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
you,
and
this
is
why
it's
important
at
various
perspectives
at
the
table
before
council
brock.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
before
I
quickly
do.
Go
to
you,
though,
and
because
we've
been
talking
about
this
quite
a
bit
in
our
hearings
with
respect
to
the
budget
in
the
numbers
and
the
overtime,
I
do
want
to
push
back
on
something
larry
said,
and
this
is
just
going
to
have
to
be
a
point
of
disagreement
that
I
don't
think
the
department
needs
more
resources.
A
I
think
there
are
adequate
resources.
I
think
it's.
How
do
we
look
at
the
inefficiencies
in
the
department,
including
that
overtime
budget?
That
is
almost
70
million
dollars
and
redirect
some
of
those
resources
to
all
the
other
things
we
need
to
do
to
respond
to
incidents
of
violence
where
we
might
agree
is
police
alone
cannot
solve
the
incidence
of
violence
in
the
city
of
boston.
We
have
to
address
mental
health
trauma
poverty.
A
All
of
the
other
things
that
are
equally
important
and
that
do
not
currently
in
our
city
budget
have
the
resources
that
are
necessary
to
solve.
For
those
issues,
and
so
this
redirecting
or
reallocation
conversation
is
critically
important,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
name
that,
and
I
absolutely
agree
dc
escalation.
Training
alone
is
not
sufficient.
A
M
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair
and
honestly,
my
question
really.
My
only
question
I
think
for
today,
because
I
know
we're
tight
on
time
is
a
follow-up
to
what
you
just
said
so
eloquently.
I
think
that
you
know,
obviously
the
council
codified
these
various
offices
and
the
civilian
review
board
in
partnership
with
the
mayor
at
the
end
of
last
year.
M
So
where,
like
what
critically
needs
to
be
staffed?
What
feels
like
you
know,
there's
going
to
need
to
be
some
development
resources
or
sort
of
what
are
kind
of
the
questions,
if
any
that
you
have
hovering
in
your
mind
about
you
know
whether,
when
we're
looking
at
a
budget
in
a
couple
of
months,
it's
going
to
reflect
what
we
need
to
really
effectively
implement
these
reforms
or
not.
I
just
I
would
be
curious
to
hear
that
today,
as
an
input
for
all
of
us
who
are
going
to
be
considering
the
budget
soon
enough.
D
D
In
those
cities,
the
budget
has
not
grown
as
exponentially
as
it
has
grown
in
boston
and
our
per
capita
expenditure
on
police
officers
is
also
higher
than
the
per
capita
expenditures
in
some
of
these
other
cities,
and
so
I
I
put
this
out
there
not
so
much
to
identify
a
particular
line.
Item
counselor
buck,
but
more
to
emphasize
a
point
that
councillor
campbell
made,
which
is
there,
are
already
a
significant
amount
of
resources
that
are
going
to
bpd.
D
Meanwhile
bureaus
like
the
professional
standards,
which
is
dedicated
to
investigating
police
misconduct
or
the
bureau
for
professional
development,
which
provides
training
or
the
bureau
for
community
engagement,
which
builds
community
relationships,
all
have
minuscule
budgets
compared
to
analog
police
departments
in
large
metropolitan
areas.
And
so,
when
you
think
about
the
budget,
I
would.
I
would
like
to
put
that
out
there
that
there
are
specific,
dedicated
bureaus
for
professional
responsibility
for
professional
development
and
community
engagement
that
all
should
be
robustly
supported,
but
that
the
resources
are
already
quite
extensive
compared
to
other
cities.
D
M
Thank
you,
yvonne
yeah,
and
I
had
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
report
and
I
think
to
your
point.
I
mean
a
couple
of
comments
on
that.
One
is
just
that
counselor
campbell
and
I
are
also
co-sponsors
on
a
different
hearing
order
about
our
police
contracts
as
policy
documents,
and
I
think
the
the
disproportionate
growth
in
boston's
department
budget
compared
to
other
budgets,
is
heavily
driven
by
that
by
the
kind
of
contractual
arrangements
over
the
last
decade.
So
that's
something
I
totally
agree
with
you.
M
But
the
problem
is
is
like.
If
all
we
have
is
that
professional
development
line,
we
can't
tell
that,
and
also
frankly,
we
can't
tell
what
other
training
things
and
things
related
to
implementation
of
of
these
accountability
measures
are
actually
being
done
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
you
guys
for
doing
that
and
just
wanted
to
tag
in
to
say.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
need
is
a
lot
more
detail
in
order
to
know
what
this
implementation
really
looks
like.
So
thank
you.
A
N
I
think
we
also
need
to
focus
on
how
we
can
lift
up
the
initiatives,
the
programs
and
the
activities
that
people
want
to
see
more
of
from
our
department
and
also
lift
up
our
department
and
identify
and
and
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
we're
letting
them
know.
We
appreciate
the
good
work
that
they
do
in
an
effort
to
help
bridge
the
gap
between
community
and
the
department,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
move
forward
as
neighbors
and
as
a
city
together.
N
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
added
value
here
today
and
the
the
diversity
perspective
also
note
that
you
know,
since
the
body
cameras
have
been
implemented
in
expanded,
complaints
are
down.
We've
seen
that
across
the
city,
which
is
a
good
healthy
sign
for
our
city,
and
we
also
continue
to
be
recognized
nationally
with
respect
to
our
community
policing
models.
So
again,
are
we
perfect?
No,
absolutely
not
no
one's
perfect.
Quite
frankly,
there's
no
perfect
police
officer,
there's
no
perfect
city
councilor,
and
so
we
can
all
also
always
do
better.
N
We
can
always
learn
from
one
another,
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
examples
where,
if
we're
lifting
up
the
concerns
and
the
initiatives
and
we're
also
lifting
up
and
recognizing
the
great
work
of
our
department
bridge
that
gap
and
get
back
to
you
know
what
makes
boston
the
great
city
that
it
is,
I
think
we'll
be
fine
here
and
obviously
the
task
force.
Recommendations
and
implementations
is
a
key
part
of
that.
N
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
attention
to
detail,
and
I
appreciate
madam
chair
hosting,
as
well
as
the
lead
sponsors
and
the
participants
today
and
and
appreciate
the
perspective
of
of
larry
and
and
also
david
and
david
ian
is
in
his
perspective
as
well,
so
and,
and
you
guessed
it
and
the
and
the
guest
speakers
that
we've
had
on
in
the
in
the
testimony
we've
heard.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you,
council,
flaherty
and
counselor
counselor,
counselor
hall
rasad.
I
will
go
to
you
for
some
testimony
before
we
begin
to
wrap
up
and,
of
course
we
will
have
another
hearing
to
get
updates
on
status
of
things
and
hope
that
someone
from
the
administration
comes
so
rasad.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
know
you
had
some
other
conflicts.
Thank
you.
J
O
You
know
I
just
I
really
just
want
to
take
an
opportunity
to
say
that
the
the
task
force
recommendations,
the
creation
of
the
opat
are-
are
an
important
opportunity
to
to
really
transform
the
way
that
policing
happens
in
the
city
of
boston.
I
still
think
that
the
city
needs
to
really
reckon
with
the
the
growing
demand
for
alternatives
to
policing,
whether
that
be
through
you
know
kind
of
programs
like
the
best
team,
expanding
that
increasing
that
making
sure
that
moving
it
further
away
from
being
involved
with
policing.
O
Looking
at
you
know
more
student
counselors
in
schools,
as
opposed
to
sros
or
cops
in
in
schools,
for
as
much
as
there
are
positive
relationships,
and
there
are
things
that
they
have
been
responding
to
that
have
been
helpful.
I
think
there
is
a
lot
to
be
said
for
greater
investment
in
the
underlying
needs
that
our
young
people
and
the
residents
of
boston
are
dealing
with
and
those
those
demands
aren't
going
to
go
anywhere,
they're
going
to
continue
to
be
made
more
and
more
stringently
from
those
who
are
doing
the
advocacy.
O
So
I
I
appreciate
that
you're
holding
this
hearing
to
look
at
the
implementation
of
the
task
force
recommendations.
I
again
just
encouraged
to
demand
more
transparency
and
demand
that
more
data
and
information
be
made
available,
whether
it's
the
regulations
or
the
policies
and
practices,
as
well
as
the
internal
reporting
and
analytics
on
misconduct.
O
O
It
sets
the
bare
minimum
of
what
is
required
for
police
conduct
and
training
that
in
no
way
prevents
a
municipality
from
going
further
and
holding
its
officers
to
a
higher
standard
or
training
them
on
information.
Over
and
above
what
the
post
requires.
And
so
I
also
encourage
you
all
to
continue
to
push
the
department
to
exceed
what
those
expectations
are
or
exceed
what
the
floor
is,
but
also
make
sure
that
the
department
is
in
compliance
with
the
requirements
of
the
post
commission.
O
That
incidents
of
officer
discipline
be
regularly
reported
to
the
post
commission.
We
shouldn't
just
have
to
rely
on
civilian
complaints
to
the
post
commission
that
the
opat
should
be
regularly
compiling
this
data
and
shipping
it
off
to
the
post
commission
as
consistently
as
possible.
So
look
forward
to
continuing
to
be
engaged.
In
this
conversation,
I'm
thankful
for
the
work
that
has
happened
up
to
this
point
and
trust
that
there
will
always
be
an
open
door
for
advocates
and
activists
and
abolitionists.
A
B
A
I'll
just
say
you
know,
although
of
course
we
were
all
disappointed,
frustrated
that
the
administration
wasn't
here,
really
grateful
to
those
who
did
show
up
the
advocates-
the
activists,
our
young
people,
of
course,
union
representatives
as
well,
and,
of
course,
all
of
my
council
colleagues,
for
this
important
conversation,
and
it
will
continue.
We
will
continue
to
hold
more
hearings
on
implementation
on
ways
in
which
to
get
the
department
not
to
do
the
floor,
but
to
go
above
and
beyond
that
and
to
do
it
in
a
transparent
way.
A
A
I
do
specifically
plan
on
filing
a
17
f,
with
respect
to
the
investigations
that
are
happening
as
to
whether
an
officer
or
officers
participated
in
the
insurrection
on
the
capitol,
because
we
continue
to
get
questions
about
that.
There
was
a
suggestion
or
comment
at
some
point
that
the
department
was
actually
doing
an
investigation,
but
no
one
knows
anything
else.
We
don't
know
when
that
investigation
happened.
A
What's
the
scope
of
it,
the
results,
the
timeline
and
again
continue
to
get
questions
specifically
on
that,
so
we'll
be
filing
that
for
the
next
council
meeting
and,
of
course,
we'll
continue
to
have
conversations
in
hearings
on
this
particular.
These
particular
topics
again,
thank
you
to
my
council
colleagues
for
being
here.
A
Thank
you
to
all
of
the
advocates
the
organizations,
the
panelists
our
young
people
as
well,
for
participating
in
today's
conversation
for
sharing
what
you
think
the
city
needs
to
do
better,
I
mean
we
will
keep
you
posted
on
the
next
conversation
where,
of
course,
we
hope
that
someone
from
the
administration
will
join
us
to
answer
all
of
our
questions.
So
thank
you
again.
A
Thank
you
to
ron
and
kerry
on
central
staff
who
are
behind
the
scenes,
making
sure
that
this
happens.
Thank
you
also
to
my
chief
of
staff
ellie
for
the
work
in
organizing
this
hearing.
It
doesn't
happen
by
accident.
Everyone
continue
to
remain
vigilant
and
take
care
of
yourself.
Covet
is
still
out
here,
get
vaccinated,
but
also
take
care
of
yourself
stay
safe
and
healthy,
and
this
hearing
is
technically
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
everyone.