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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on March 28, 2022
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Docket #0239 - Ordinance creating a commission to study and develop reparation proposals for African Americans
A
I
am
city
councillor
at
large
routes
in
gen
vice
chair
of
the
committee
of
the
government
operations
committee.
It
is
monday
march
28
2022,
and
we
are
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket
number
zero,
two
through
nine,
an
ordinance
creating
a
commission
to
study
and
develop
reparation
proposals
for
african-americans
referred
to
the
committee
on
february,
2nd
2022.
A
This
docket
was
sponsored
by
councillors,
mejia
fernandez,
anderson
and
warrell,
in
accordance
with
chapter
20
of
the
acts
of
2021,
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
heating
law
and
relieving
public
bodies
of
certain
requirements,
including
the
requirement
that
public
bodies
conduct
its
meetings
in
a
public
space
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing
virtually
via
zoom
and
it
is
being
recorded.
A
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities
while
adhering
to
public
health,
accommodations
and
ensuring
public
access
to
its
deliberations
through
adequate
alternative
means.
The
public
may
watch
this
hearing
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
forward,
slash
city
dash
council
dash
tv
and
on
xfinity
8
rcn
82
verizon
964
will
also
be
rebroadcasted
on
a
later
date.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
at
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors
public.
A
A
A
Of
arrival
is
our
council
president
ed
flynn,
counselor
at
large
julia
mejia
and
lead
sponsor
for
this
ordinance,
councilor,
lydia,
mcgee,
sorry,
lydia,
edwards,
counselor,
brian
worrell
and
council
liz
braden
and
counselors
and
councillor
kenzie
bach.
We
are
also
joined
by
members
of
the
administration
chief,
maria
angelico
de
cevera,
from
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
laurie
nelson.
The
chief
resilience
officer
for
the
city
of
boston,
we're
also
joined
by
a
great
panel
of
advocates,
who've,
been
very
supportive.
A
First
is
dr
jamar
jama,
dari
kamara,
director
of
the
center
for
african,
caribbean
and
community
development,
yvette
morister,
commissioner
of
the
national
african-american
reparations
commission
and
dr
raymond
winbusch,
director
of
the
institute
for
urban
research
at
morgan
state
university.
This
ordinance
would
establish
a
special
commission
on
the
study
of
reparation
proposals.
The
commission
would
include
50
members
to
be
appointed
by
the
mayor,
two
of
which
shall
be
youth
members
of
the
15.
C
A
The
new
democracy
coalition,
king
boston,
umass,
boston,
african
studies,
department
and
encuentro
diaspora
afro,
the
remaining
10
members,
would
be
chosen
by
community
organizations
just
listed
in
consultation
with
the
mayor
and
city
council
as
currently
written.
The
ordinance
would
require
that
each
member
be
paid
100
per
hour
not
to
exceed
50
000
per
app
per
year.
The
commission's
duties
would
include
defining
reparations,
studying
disparities
and
inequalities,
documenting
personal
stories
and
histories
and
creating
spaces
for
information
sharing.
A
We
will
be
doing
opening
remarks
in
q
a
a
little
bit
different,
we'll
be
doing
them
together
after
administration
panel
due
to
a
time
constraint.
Thank
you
to
all
my
colleagues
for
being
here
and
for
your
patients
in
in
this
switch-up.
So
now
I'll
have
the
honor
of
turning
it
over
to
the
administration.
A
D
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
and
to
the
city
council
and
to
the
body
assembled.
Thank
you
for
those
who
are
also
here
with
us
relative
to
those
community
organizations
who
have
worked
hard
on
this
work.
Certainly,
our
goal
today
is
to
listen
and
to
understand
further
from
from
each
of
you
how
to
understand
and
move
forward
with
the
work
of
reparations.
D
I
am
here
and
joined
with
chief
marian
julie,
sola
savera,
who
is
leading
this
charge
with
us
relative
to
equity
and
inclusion,
and
our
goal
again
is
to
hear
and
to
listen
and
to
learn
and
to
think
of
a
pathway
forward
together.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
us
this
time
to
be
with
you
and
look
forward
to
hearing
and
learning
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you
so
much
counselor.
E
A
F
Yep,
thank
you,
everyone
and
in
the
interest
of
keeping
laurie
here
as
much
as
possible.
I'm
just
going
to
ask
two
quick
questions
and
then
move
on
to
my
colleagues.
You
know
our
ordinance
stipulates
that
members
of
this
commission
who
will
be
exploring
issues
such
as
the
historical
economic
disempowerment
of
african-american
community.
F
D
I
would
like
to
also
hear
the
rest
of
the
questions
and
concerns,
but
I
certainly
will
say
that
we
are
positioned
and
want
to
hear
from
everyone
and
understand
how
we
can
work
this
forward
jointly
relative
to
the
dollars
and
cents,
which
is
a
valid
question.
I
will
be
honest
to
say
that
that
that
detailed
part
of
the
work
we
are
we
have
not
explored
yet
but
again
today
our
goal
is
to
remain
very
clear
and
focused
on
all
of
the
requests.
D
E
Yeah
just
like
when
what
what
chief
nelson
has
said.
As
you
all
know,
we
are
still
in
the
middle
of
the
budget
season
and
we're
just
trying
to
explore
what
what
is
possible
right
now
and
also
I
just
want
to
hear
from
from
the
advocates
as
to
like
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
start
working
on
right
now
versus
midterm
long
term,
because
I
do
hear
you
and
and
the
way
that
we
are
defining
equity.
E
E
E
F
A
Thank
you,
councillor.
Mejia
we've
also
been
joined
by
councillor,
fernando
fernandez
anderson,
who
is
a
co-sponsor
for
this
ordinance.
We've
also
been
joined
by
councillor
erin
murphy.
So
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
joining
I'm
now
going
to
turn
it
over
to
councillor
fernandez
anderson
as
a
as
a
co-sponsor
here
to
ask
questions
of
the
administration.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
one
question
the
way
that
what
what
is
the
difference
between
or
if
there's
any
difference
between
it,
you
know
the
studies
in
the
the
first
half
of
the
studies
for
the
reparations
commission
being
an
rfp
opposed
to
it
being
a
hundred
dollar
per
hour.
Is
there
any
difference
on
on
that
structure
or
how
we
how
we
are
able
to
pay
those
that
are
giving
us
their
time.
E
A
H
A
C
C
Can
do
it,
and
so
you
know
back
at
the
envelope.
Math
puts
this
set
about
assuming
they
work
every
single
week,
500
hours,
so
what
10
hours
a
week
or
something
like
that
this
is
this
is
not
realistic,
and
I
don't
expect
the
commission
to
work
that
much,
but
the
max
amount
of
this
could
cost
is
15
members
at
50
000
a
year.
C
That's
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
assuming
that
they
max
out
at
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
then
you're.
Also
at
the
see
the
legislation
is
also
including
the
hiring
of
an
executive
director
and
there's
also
an
the
commission
when
they
turn
around
and
hire
an
assistant
director
as
well.
C
So
that
could
put
this
at
well
over
or
close
to
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
order
to
operate
the
commission.
So
I
think
my
question
would
be
to
the
the
lead
sponsors
why?
Why
do
you
think
that
this
commission
should
be
getting
close
to
that
level
of
budget?
Where
no
other
commission,
including
the
commission,
I'm
sitting
on
which
is
to
end
family
homelessness?
C
We
don't
even
get.
I
don't
expect
that
the
homeless
members
who
are
going
to
be
on
the
commission
would
get
that
amount.
So
I
think
that's.
My
first
question
is
why
this
is
at
this
level
of
cost.
I
can
go
through
all
my
questions
and
just
kind
of
put
madam
chair.
I
can
do
that
and
just
kind
of
go
through
my
questions
and
then
leave
it
to
folks
to
answer.
We
can
go
one
by
one.
C
Okay,
so
the
first
question
that
is
to
the
lead
sponsors
of
counselor,
mejia,
warl
and
anderson
anderson
fernandez.
Why
million
dollars
a
year
for
this
particular
commission
when
I
don't
know
that
any
other
commission
that's
ever
been
created
by
this
body
or
the
mayor's
office?
Has
a
budget
that
high?
I
do
know
that
and
just
for
you
know,
for
people's
purposes,
watching
at
home.
We
absolutely
do
provide
stipends
to
commission
members.
C
The
other
question
I
have
is:
why
were
specific
organizations
named
in
this
ordinance?
I
I
tend
to
walk.
I
tend
to
be
cautious
about
naming
specific
organizations
because
one
they're
non-profits
they
change
their
names.
All
the
time
they're
allowed
to.
They
can
merge.
They
can
come
together.
They
can
be
separate.
So,
in
terms
of
longevity
stake,
if
you
name
a
specific
organization,
this
question
is
for
the
lead
sponsors.
C
I
think
it's
safer
to
just
name
expertise
right,
because
the
organizations
that
were
picked
one-
I
think
you
should
be
you-
know,
organizations
that
actually
have
a
proven
expertise
and
reparations
in
and
these
these
organizations
could.
But
there
could
be
other
ones
that
emerge
so
maybe
staying
away
from
the
names
of
specific
organizations
and
actually
put
in,
we
want
someone
or
an
organization
that
can
name
some.
Are
that
and
not
naming
the
organization
that
specifically
has
studied
reparations.
C
We
want
an
organization
that
has
specifically
studied
how
modern
day,
policing
and
modern,
modern-day
policing-
and
you
know,
overseers
from
slave
days-
are
deeply
connected.
We
want
a
commission
that
specific
or
a
commission
member,
an
organization
that
has
done
the
following,
so
you're,
setting
out
the
expertise
that
is
required,
not
the
organization.
C
My
biggest
concern
again
is
that
organizations
change
they
merge
they
end
and
if
you
put
the
name
in
there,
you're
gonna
have
to
go
back
and
amend
the
ordinance
versus
just
call
out
what
you
want.
You
know
you
want
someone
who
has
been
about
radical
change
and
racial
equity,
an
organization
dedicated
to
that,
because
it
also
also
it
limits
the
limits,
the
pool,
which
is
the
second
question.
I
have
this.
The
only
thing.
A
C
Why
aren't
the
city
council
able
to
not
just
consult
but
confirm
who's,
going
to
be
on
the
on
the
commission
as
well
you're,
giving
specific
organizations
a
lot
of
power
over
a
million
dollar
budget
and
they're,
not
elected?
They
could
change
their
name,
they
could
change
whoever
and
they
don't
have
like.
I
think
you
should
prove
the
expertise.
That's
required
to
sit
at
that
table
versus
the
organizations
because
it
looks
it.
C
I
don't
know
why
they
got
picked
or
what
favoritism
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
it's
24
months
to
produce
a
report
after
the
report's
produced
who
is
supposed
to
actually
enforce
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
reports
that
aren't
enforced
as
it
is
with
the
fire
department
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
The
subpoena
par
might
be
part
of
that.
But
I
need
to
know
what
is
the
enforcement
and,
what's
the
point
of
the
report,
and
then
finally,
it
looks
like
it's
at
least
a
two-year
report
process.
C
But
how
long
are
the
commissioners
appointed?
I
missed
that
and
again,
when
you're
talking
about
a
million
dollar
budget
you're
finding
the
city.
Excuse
me
the
city
to
multiple
millions
of
dollars
for
a
commission
I
would
and
finally
to
answer
warrell's
question:
what's
the
difference
between
an
rfi
and
the
100
salary,
stipend,
at
least
with
an
rfi,
there
would
be
going
through
our
procurement
process
and
again,
as
it's
been
highly
critical,
we'd
be
criticizing
our
procurement
process.
C
We
don't
include
enough
black
and
brown
people
in
who
in
that
pool,
but
that's
the
major
difference.
It
would
at
least
go
through
that
process.
So
those
are
all
my
questions,
counselor
regime,
most
of
them
for
the
lead
sponsors,
none
of
which
I'm
willing
to
die
on
a
hill,
for
I
just
want
to
know
what
is
going
on
and
why
and
maybe
there's
certain
things
we
can
change.
A
Thank
you
very
great.
Thank
you.
So
much
counselor
edwards,
I'm
gonna,
pass
it
over
to
lori
nelson
to
answer
and
then
we'll
wait
on
our
colleagues
to
answer
the
rest
of
your
questions,
just
that
we
can
get
more
counselors
in
their
questions
for
laura
nelson.
So
lori,
not
sure.
If
you
have
an
answer
to
any
of
the
questions
that
counselor
edwards
has
asked.
D
A
I
D
So,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I
apologize
thank
you
for
that
question
or
those
questions
counselor.
So
in
reverse,
you
know.
Certainly
our
collective
goal
is
to
continue
to
to
work
towards
a
more
equitable
or
inclusive
city
right,
and
so
we
could.
We
could
surely
argue
that
we
have
more
work
to
do
on
all
levels
relative
to
the
specifics,
as
it
relates
to
some
of
the
work
around
the
economic
gaps
and
divides.
D
I
certainly
would
defer
again
to
my
colleague
and
chief
segun
italy
relative
to
the
work
that
he
is
doing
in
his
cabinet
to
close
some
of
these
gaps
that
we
know
have
been
part
of
the
history
of
our
city
and
overall,
certainly
I
I
would
safely
speak,
I
hope
so
for
my
chief
as
well,
when
we
both
believe
that
part
of
this
work
part
of
the
work
that
we
do
is
really
to
deal
with
these.
These
spaces
that
we're
in
now
relative
to
inequity.
D
Our
goal
is
again
as
a
as
the
administration
to
move
forward
with
with
an
agenda
that
reflects
the
people
we
serve,
but
also
to
be
very
intentional
on
how
we
meet
people
where
we
are
where
they
are
rather
and
and
help
to
bridge
some
of
these
gaps.
That
we
know
are
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
dismantle
across
the
city,
but
again,
this
is
something
that
we
have
work
to
do
and
we
are
committed
to
doing
that
work
and
try
and
move
this
forward.
Thank
you.
I
J
No,
I
don't
have
any
questions.
I
I
think,
as
you
know,
from
our
work
in
our
office
we're
trying
to
get
our
heads
around
the
number
of
boards
and
commissions
we
already
have
in
the
city
of
boston.
It
doesn't
it's
not
to
say
that
this
particular
commission
isn't
necessary,
but
I
think
we
have
over
450
boards
and
commissions
in
in
the
city
at
the
moment,
and
I
think
back
to
in
terms
of
looking
at
stipends
etc.
For
for
commissioners
and
folks
on
boards.
J
K
K
We
don't
want
to
just
say
that
we
have
a
reparations
commission
that
sort
of
exists
and
therefore
we've
done
reparations
when
in
fact,
we
haven't
gotten
to
that
action.
Point
right.
So
I
think
very
interested
in
how
we
make
this
feel
like
a
a
real
pathway
towards
redress.
But
I'm
very
glad
to
be
having
this
conversation
today
and
I'm
grateful
and
looking
forward
to
the
advocates
as
well
and
hearing
more
from
them.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
L
A
Thank
you.
I
do
have
one
question
for
you,
chief,
nelson
and
chief
sonia
sivera:
do
you
other?
Have
you
looked
at
other
cities
who
have
been
studying,
reparations
and
acting
on
reparations
to
have
a
good
comparative
lens
on
on
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work,
or
is
that
something
that
you're
looking
to
do?
I
think
that
that
could
be
a
really
great
way
for
us
to
think
about
how
to
how
to
do
this
necessary
work
here
in
boston.
D
Thank
you
for
that
question,
madam
chair,
and
please
forgive
me
to
the
esteemed
counseling
and
the
panel
and
the
sponsors
I
will
have
to
leave
after
this,
but
she's
solas
silvera
is
here.
I
do
know
based
on
just
reparations
on
the
whole
and
it's
it's
movement,
not
only
from
house
40
relative
to
congressman
clyburn
down.
Certainly
an
illustration
has
been
having
evanston
illinois
where
they
have
lifted
up
different
ways
to
look
at
reparations.
D
I
think
that
is
a
model
that
we
could
certainly
consider
studying
and
understanding
as
we
move
this
forward,
and
I
think
that's
that's
one
of
the
major
cities
I
do
know
of
other
cities
that
have
looked
at
not
the
totality
of
a
package
of
reparations,
but
certainly
pulling
out
some
of
the
inequities
that
some
of
the
counselors
also
aligned
here
on
the
call.
But
I
do
think
that
example
is
a
key
example.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
again
for
your
time,
sorry
to
everyone
that
it
was
compressed
but
time
constraints,
and
I'm
sure
this
is
the
first
of
many
conversations
that
we'll
have
on
this
issue,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
schedule
it
in
a
time
where
we
don't
feel
so
tight.
But
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
insight
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
administration
on
this
effort.
So
thank
you,
chief
chief
solicitor.
A
We
have
you
until
until
whatever
okay
great
so
what
I'm
gonna
do
now
is
we're
going
to
go
again
through
all
of
my
colleagues
and
feel
free
to
either
make
opening
remarks
or
answer,
especially
to
the
lead,
sponsors
and
co-sponsors
that
were
asked
or
to
ask
additional
questions
of
the
administration.
So
I'll
start
with
lead
sponsor
counselor,
julia
mejia.
F
We
were
really
intentional
about
naming
those
organizations
that
have
been
set,
so
it's
less
of
a
situation
of
favoritism
but
more
of
the
folks
who
have
been
at
the
table
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
doing
this
work
in
different
capacities,
and
so
but
I
do
appreciate
the
spirit
in
which-
and
I
understand
counselor
edward's
point
in
terms
that
organizations
do
change
leadership
changes.
You
know,
directions
change,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
expertise,
comment
and
really
welcome
that
that
feedback.
F
F
So
I
think
there's
something
for
us
to
all
learn
when
we're
thinking
about
equity
and
justice
and
making
sure
that
everybody
is
being
compensated
for
their
level
of
expertise.
So
that's
just
something
that
I
want
to
uplift,
and
I
think
that,
as
you
hear
from
the
advocates
who
worked
on
getting
us
here
this
far
you
you
will
be
able
to
understand
the
why
there
is
a
need
to
ensure
that
folks
are
getting
compensated
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
to
inform
our
thinking.
F
A
I
I
The
other
sentiment
that
I
have
from
this
is
a
lot
of
anxiety.
Building
up.
This
is
a
topic
that
profoundly
impacts,
people
that
are
not
necessarily
in
the
room
and
hopefully
in
on
on
on
in
the
waiting
room,
we're
waiting
to
testify
and
as
an
african
woman,
of
course,
impacted
by
transatlantic
safe
trade,
but
we
are
talking
about
today
about
the
african-american
people
and
whatever
systems
that
impact
others
right.
Black
and
brown
people
secondary,
and
so
at
least
that
is
my
position.
I
So
I'm
here
to
have
an
open
mind.
I
don't
want
to
be
judgmental
with
any
of
the
ignorance
that
I'm
going
to
hear
or
possibly
hear.
I
would
like
I'm
speaking
for
myself
when
I
say
I
am
taking
a
seat.
I
am
listening
and
I
am
taking
notes-
and
I
am
very
serious
about
this
process,
because
it's
one
that's
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
I
So
that
is
all
I
have
to
say
no
judgment,
I'll
reserve,
my
opinions,
and
hopefully
we
are
being
honest
and
sincere
about
what
this
is,
so
that
we
can
actually
really
talk
about
the
logistics
of
deciding
on
a
commission
or
not
or
how
it
should
play
out.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
holding
this,
thank
you.
A
So
much
counselor
fernandez,
anderson,
yes,
and
I
hope
that
the
next
next
time
that
we
have
a
hearing,
we
find
a
date
in
a
time
where
there
aren't
these
constraints
so
that
we
can
have
you
know
a
lot
more
questions
answered
and
consideration
paid
to
the
depth
and
weight
of
this.
You
know
important
topic
of
repairing
harm.
A
G
G
So
I
personally
just
look
forward
to
not
just
the
hearings
and
the
working
sessions,
but
using
this
also
as
an
opportunity
to
not
only
bring
the
conversation
but
the
process
to
those
you
know
to
the
african
americans
that
have
been
affected
by
past
income
conditions.
So
I
believe
that
this
needs
to
be
a
public
process
when
I
say
public,
not
just
working
such
as
inheritance,
but
to
have
the
voices
of
the
community
and
the
experts
at
the
same
table,
and
I
also
wholeheartedly
believe
that
this
should
be
led
and
act
be
a
process.
G
H
You,
madam
chair,
I
don't
have
any
further
comments
or
questions.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
community
members,
but
also
learning
more
about
this
from
my
from
my
colleagues
on
the
council
as
well.
So
I
think
learning
from
my
colleagues
on
the
council
will
be
helpful
to
me.
So
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
to
the
sponsor
and
the
lead
sponsors
and
to
chill
madam
chair
as
well
and
to
the
administration
officials.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
council
president
flynn,
and
I
also
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
my
colleagues
so
feel
free
to
also
continue
to
ask
the
administration
questions.
Chief
solis
sivera
is
still
here
and
available
to
answer
questions.
Turning
back
to
you,
counselor
lydia,
edwards,
not
sure
if
you
felt
like
you
had
more
questions
that
you
wanted
to
ask
during
the
first
round.
So.
C
I
can
tell
you
the
slave
ancestors
I
come
from
in
this
country,
but
I
don't
come
from
boston.
So
that's
another
question
I
would
have.
Is
the
reparations
conversation
only
for
african-american
descendants
of
slaves
in
the
city
of
boston
from
the
city
of
boston
that
can
trace
their
ancestry
back
to
slavery
in
boston?
So
these
are.
These
are
questions
that
I
think
and-
and
you
know
rightfully
we
don't
have
to
answer
them.
The
commission.
Could
the
commission
could
easily
say
you
know
it's
going
to
be
this
narrowly
this
population?
C
It's
going
to
be
anybody
who
is
perceived
as
and
as
having
been
part
of
the
legacy
of
slavery,
because
you
know
just
because
you
are
not
directly
descended
from
slaves
here.
You
certainly
could
experience
the
racial
oppression
from
that,
because
you
are
perceived
as
being
from
the
racial
oppression.
From
from
you
know,
slavery.
You
certainly
were
redlined.
You
were
certainly,
and
you
can
talk
about
how
redlining
is
part
of
the
message
of
slavery
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
So
I
I
am
very
interested
in
how
it's
defined,
which
therefore
you
know,
makes
me
even
more
concerned
about
the
fiscal
responsibility
of
this
commission.
We
we
can't
not
do
it
right.
We
can't
not
be
something
so
well,
and
I
I
just
don't
see
how
close
to
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
an
undefined
amount
of
time,
because
I
assume
the
commission's
going
to
exist
for
as
long
as
reparations
are
needed,
which
we
know
it's
not
like.
It's
not
ever
going
to
be
like
okay,
cool.
This
is
the
price
tag,
and
this
is
the
moment.
C
I
am
concerned
that
it's
if
we
really
want
to
just
go
ahead
and
make
this
permanent
and
have
a
million
dollar
budget
just
create
the
office,
because
this
is
this
commission
is
hiring
people.
This
commission
is
paying
them
salaries,
themselves,
salaries
of
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
then
hiring
an
executive
director.
All
of
this
without
oversight
from
us,
because
it
says
we
shall
consult
it-
does
not
say
that
we
shall
confirm.
C
The
commit
the
reason
why
commissions
are
different
and
why
they're
not
paid
is
because
it's
assumed
to
be
volunteer.
It's
assumed
to
be
yes,
certain
amount
of
expertise,
but
they're
not
supposed
to
be
doing
the
work
of
city
employees
supposed
to
be
finite
kind
of
give
you
some
thoughts
and
ideas.
Do
a
report
or
something
and
walk
away,
this
conversation
seemed
a
little
bit
more
permanent.
C
So
I
wonder,
if
that's
the
conversation
we
should
be
having
just
creating
an
office
dedicated
to
truth,
reconciliation
and
reparations
and,
of
course,
grounded
in
this
particular
group
of
african
americans,
but
you
can
speak
to
other
groups
that
also
need
truth,
reconciliation
and
reparations,
so
I'd
rather
just
have
the
the
conversation
about
an
office
with
a
real
budget
of
a
million
dollars
a
year
than
to
try
and
work
around
through
a
commission.
Those
are
my
thoughts.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
edward,
so
much
for
your
thoughts
and
your
additional
questions.
We're
gonna
have
a
lot
more
time,
ought
to
flush
out
these
questions
and
comments,
hopefully,
during
our
next
panel
and
during
the
lifetime
of
what
is
you
know,
going
to
be
a
conversation
that
lasts
for
the
very
reasons
that
you
mentioned
next
for
any
questions
or
additional
comments
or
remarks.
Counselor
braden.
A
F
No,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
chief
is,
it
is
going
to
be
staying
on.
We
do
have
some
advocates
and
we
have
some
testimony
too
that
is
coming
on
and
I
would
love
to
ensure
that
chief,
I'm
curious
in
terms
of
just
some
of
the
things
that
you
have
heard
so
far
before
we
move
over
to
our
advocate
panel
and
and
some
testimony
just
curious,
I
mean
I
think
I
really.
This
is
one
of
the
things
I
always
call
policy
making
like
sausage,
making
right.
F
Well,
let's
see
yes
right,
like
we're
all
really
about
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
get
to
where
we
need
to
be,
and
this
is
why
it's
so
important
for
us
to
have
these
conversations
and
to
do
so
so
publicly.
So
so
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
who
have
provided
some
really
great
insight
to
some
of
the
things
that
we
should
be
exploring
and
thinking
about
so
chief.
I
don't
want
you
to
go.
F
You
know
you
know,
just
kind
of
like
would
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
your
reflections
before
we
move
on
to
the
advocates,
and
I
believe
that
my
colleague
counselor
fernandez
anderson
had
her
hand
up,
but
then
it
went
down.
So
I
wasn't
sure
if
she
also
had
a
question
for
the
chief.
So,
chief
just
curious,
if
you
want
to
just
your
initial
re
reactions,
thoughts
and
even
comments
or
just
suggestions,
I
mean
this
is
why
we're
all
here
today.
E
F
M
E
Okay,
I'll
send
the
message
after
my
my
quick
just
reactions.
First,
I
want
to
just
stay
with
a
comment
that
was
shared
earlier
around
how
this
process
is
about
heart
and
as
a
light-skinned
latina
that
does
like
does
not
know
the
experience
of
the
black
american
community
here
right
doesn't
matter
how
much
I
read
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
I
I
immerse
myself
in
the
community.
I
will
never
know
what
that
means,
so
I
want
to
sit
with
that
for
a
little
bit
longer.
E
So
thank
you,
counselor
anderson,
for
that.
I
I
think-
and
this
has
been
said
by
multiple
folks
today-
of
of
the
way
I'm
seeing
this
it's,
and
I
know
that
this
is
not
what
the
the
counselor
the
council
is
asking
for
rights.
It's
almost
like.
Let's
wait
until
the
recommendations
come
out
for
two
years,
whereas
where
we
are
thinking
about
home
ownership,
we
are
thinking
about
right,
like
investing
in
our
small
black
businesses.
We
are
thinking
right.
E
We
we've
just
launched
an
office
of
blackmail,
advancement
and
I'd,
be
curious
to
see
where,
where
director
pharaoh
can
take,
a
lot
of
the
work
can
address
a
lot
of
the
work
that
that
that
directly
impacts,
wealth
building
and
the
well-being
of
the
african-american
community,
and
so
that's
sort
of
where
I
said
earlier.
I
want
to
hear
from
from
the
community
members
that
have
been
doing
this
work
for
a
long
time
of
like
what
are
some
of
those
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
now
that
we're
already
thinking
about
doing
that.
E
F
F
And
so
our
role
in
our
hope
is
is
that
that
work
will
be
led
by
the
folks
who
who
get
appointed.
So
I
just
want
to
be
super
clear
about
that
process,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
if
there
are
other
council
colleagues
that
have
questions
to
share
their
questions
now
and
if
not.
Let's
move
over
to
the
the
advocates
chair.
A
I
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
more
time
I'll,
be
quiet.
Thank
you
castle
me
here.
You
seem
to
be
reading
my
mind.
I
was
gonna,
say
chief.
If
you
can
please
stay,
and
I
would
have
hoped
for
the
other
people
to
stay
as
well,
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
testimony
of
the
community.
A
Awesome,
thank
you
councillor,
fernandez
anderson
and
thank
you
for
staying
true,
solicit
I'll.
Just
say
that
as
a
black
woman
who
lives
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
having
this
conversation
around
reparations
and
repairing
the
harm
that
we're
also
having
it
from
like
a
historical
perspective.
Oftentimes
boston
is
overlooked.
When
we're
talking
about
the
transatlantic
slave
trade,
we
think
about
southern
states
and
we
don't
think
about
how,
in
the
early
1600s
you
know,
slave
trade
was
was
was
dominant
here
in
boston
and
in
new
england.
A
I
think
people
often
look-
and
I
hope
the
administration
takes
this
conversation
seriously,
because
one
of
the
reasons
that
people
oppose
reparations
is
because
they
don't
know
what
it's
about.
Really
they
also
oppose
it
because
they
think
they
always
jump
to
the
well.
We
can't
pay
for
that.
It's
too
expensive
without
staying
in
the
uncomfortability
that
sometimes
exists
for
people,
especially
for
non-black
folks,
who
find
who
are
discomforted
by
the
conversation
around
reparations
and
regarding
who
merits
it.
A
A
For
opening
remarks
and
then
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
panelists
and
then
my
console
colleagues,
who
will
have
questions
and
comments,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
your
time
to
be
with
us
here
this
morning,
for
this
very
important,
very
refreshing,
very,
as
I
said,
a
moral
conversation
about
what
is
owed.
What
is
due,
how
we
reply
harm
and
how
we
bring
truth
to
the
city
of
boston.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
and
you
now
have
the
floor.
A
B
B
The
issue
of
truth
and
reconciliation
that
has
been
raised-
and
I
understand
the
council-
has
addressed
some
of
those
questions
in
the
form
of
both
hearings
before
and
a.
I
think,
a
commission
that
was
set
up,
one
of
the
dynamics
of
truth
and
reconciliation,
is
that
this
process
is
one
that
has
been
gauged
engaged
internationally
in
a
number
of
different
places
around
the
world.
The
question
of
truth
and
reconciliation
has
come
to
the
table,
but
it
is
out
of
those
experiences.
B
It
is
the
intersection
of
truth
and
reconciliation
that
must
pass
through
a
point
of
intersection
of
repair,
which
is
why,
in
many
cases,
those
processes
have
failed
and
that
point
of
intersection
of
repair
is
called.
The
question
of
reparation
reparations
is
that
tool
of
public
policy
that
helps
us
engage
the
process
of
repair.
B
We
all
would
like
to
get
to
that
point
of
some
action
in
an
immediate
form,
but
the
notion
of
our
ordinance
that
we
are
are
asking
you
to
consider
is
to
have
the
patience
to
work
with
us
in
community.
We
with
you
in
city
government
to
engage
in
this
process,
which
will
be
a
long-term
process,
we're
not
going
to
resolve
this
next
week,
but
yeah.
I
would
love
to
you
know
by
christmas,
set
a
deadline
and
we're
going
to
have
all
this
worked
out.
B
We
we
need
to
consider
this
issue,
particularly
the
question
of
the
racial
wealth
gap
that
has
existed.
We
all
know
the
color
of
wealth
study
and
the
consequences
of
the
of
the
disparity
that
exists,
but
the
opposite.
The
other
side
of
that
is
that
there's
enormous
opportunity,
because
that
represents
the
opportunity
for
us
to
expand
the
the
possibilities
of
that
creative
wealth
to
expand
the
the
the
the
product,
the
gross
domestic
product
of
our
city
in
that
lost
wealth
that
could
be
applied.
This
is
not
a
zero-sum
opportunity.
B
B
Unpaid
labor,
as
having
been
the
basis
of
the
issues
and
concerns
that
we're
confronting
require
us.
If
nothing
else,
then
morally,
that
there
is
a
a
considered
stipend
for
the
work
of
those
commissioners
that
is
being
put
in
the
groups
that
have
been
identified
as
core
to
the
commission
are
groups
that
have
been
working
on
this
for
years.
B
B
The
nominations
that
will
come
from
this
come
to
the
council.
They
will
then
go
to
the
mayor's
office.
They
will
be
confirmed
by
you
their
recommendations
that
will
be
coming
forward,
but
it
is
out
of
the
commitment
and
in
fact,
anchoring
the
stability
of
the
commission
is
why
these
particular
groups
were
identified
as
being
at
the
core
of
the
commission
to,
in
fact
deal
with
the
very
concerns
that
were
being
raised
by
the
council
for
stability
and
long-term
consideration
in
a
process
of
engagement.
B
The
options
that
were
looked
at
when
one
of
the
models
that
was
raised
was
a
consideration
of
the
model
in
evanston.
There
are
other
models
and
commissions
in
other
parts
of
the
country
that
have
already
been
established
that
are
considering
issues
appropriate
for
their
communities,
and
we
should
look
at
those.
We
should
consider
those,
but
I
think
it
is
very
important
for
us
in
boston
to
understand
that
we
are
sitting
uniquely
by
virtue
of
our
historical
position
in
the
21st
century,
at
the
nexus
of
what
america
will
look
like
in
2040
2050..
B
We
currently
represent
demographically
structurally
in
terms
of
our
economy,
where
our
country
will
be
in
several
decades
and
the
kind
of
opportunities
that
we
are
able
to
define
the
ways
in
which
we
are
able
to
grapple
with
this
issue
that
our
society
has
not
been
able
to
grapple
with
can
set
the
tone
and
the
direction
for
the
future.
Yes,
we
need
to
look
at
other
models,
other
communities,
what
they
have
done,
the
lessons
learned,
but
we
will
be
modeling
for
others
in
our
country.
B
B
We
will
be
modeling
in
the
city
of
boston,
the
way
in
which
our
nation
can
go
and
grapple
with
this
issue
in
the
future,
and
so,
while
we
look
to
others,
I
think
we
also
need
to
look
at.
How
do
we
unleash
the
creative
forces
and
energy
in
our
community
to
establish
a
process
that
can
give
direction
for
the
rest
of
the
country
and
for
our
community
for
the
future?
B
A
A
You,
dr
kamara,
for
your
incredible
insight.
I
was
wanted
to
call
time,
but
you
were
sharing
such
insight
with
us.
There'll
definitely
be
time
for
more
conversation
when
all
the
panelists
are
done
and
when
the
counselors
are
asking
questions.
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
I've
been
joined.
We've
been
joined
by
my
council
colleague,
city
councilor
kendall
lara
when
we're
going
through
our
city
council
questions
council,
lara
you'll,
have
the
floor
to
ask
questions
or
make
comments.
A
P
Well,
good
morning
from
baltimore
everyone,
it's
good
to
be
here,
and
I'm
thank
you
for
inviting
me
as
someone
who
has
written
a
couple
of
books
on
reparations,
I'm
going
to
be
very,
very
disciplined
and
read
my
statement
because
I
have
a
tendency
to
go
off,
especially
with
some
of
the
things
I've
heard
this
morning
about
the
issue
of
reparations.
So
this
statement
is
about
three
to
four
minutes.
Long.
A
P
P
P
The
case
of
brahm
and
bett
versus
ashley
was
not
only
won
by
the
two
africans,
but
the
jury
awarded
them.
30
shillings
for
unpaid
work,
the
equivalent
of
360
dollars
in
today's
currency,
given
that
a
day's
laborers
wages
were
33
a
day
in
1781
bet
and
brahm
were
awarded
the
equivalent
of
three
years
of
work,
a
tidy
sum
for
that
time.
P
Yes,
the
legacy
of
enslavement
is
all
around
massachusetts
and
boston
as
it
is
in
the
rest
of
the
united
states.
It's
not
just
in
statues,
buildings,
the
names
of
schools
and
streets,
but
like
a
virus,
it
is
buried
deep
in
the
body
politic
of
the
nation.
It
infects
how
intergenerational
trauma
of
separated
families
still
lingers
in
boston
in
kinship
patterns.
It
infected
how
money
was
lent
mortgages
were
granted.
Land
was
sold
and
black
people
police
a
commission
in
boston
that
studies
how
these
lingering
effects
impacts.
P
Boston's
american
african
community
is
much
needed
and
I
urge
the
council,
like
other
cities,
are
doing
to
take
up
this
challenge
and
begin
the
process
of
racial
healing,
and
I
want
to
add
in
the
what
minute
I
have
left
that
there
are
several
cities:
yeah.
There
are
several
cities
in
the
united
states
that
are,
you
know,
studying
the
issue
of
reparations
and
have
commissions.
We
just
completed
a
major
funded
study
for
washington
dc
mayor
muriel.
P
Bowser
has
ordered
a
study
of
reparations
for
the
city
asheville
north
carolina
as
well
burlington
vermont
up
in
new
england
and
the
largest
commission
that
is
at
the
state
level
presently
is
in
california,
where
governor
gavin
newsom
has
commissioned
a
major
study
on
reparations,
and
that
report
is
due,
I
believe,
on
in
july.
So
you
would
be
joining
and
hopefully
pioneering
a
major
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
P
I've
been
running
back
and
forth
to
boston
over
the
past
five
years,
because
I'm
trying
to
locate
belinda's
grave,
because
I
wrote
a
book
entitled
belinda's
petition
and
we
think
that
she's
buried
in
that
same
graveyard,
where
phyllis
wheatley
is
so,
do
the
work,
and
you
will
not
regret
it
and
some
of
the
eels
that
are
in
the
boston
right
now
will
be
cured
by
understanding
the
past
of
the
city.
Thanks.
A
K
Q
Apologies
for
all
the
tech
tech
stuff
good
morning
giving
thanks
to
those
whose
shoulders
I
stand
on.
I
want
to
dedicate
my
time
and
words
to
my
mentor,
boston,
city,
councilor,
chuck
turner
and
to
senator
bill
owens
good
morning,
madame
chair
and
to
all
the
city
councillors
in
chief
savella
for
being
here,
a
special
thank
you
to
councillor
mejia,
councillor
fernandez,
anderson
and
councillor
warrell
for
bringing
us
here.
Q
I
also
had
this
whole
thing
prepared
like
dr
jimadara
kamara,
but
want
to
use
the
time
to
go
to
the
heart.
As
a
counselor
fernandez
anderson
spoke
for
almost
seven
years.
I
spent
my
saturday
mornings
at
the
first
church
in
roxbury
being
one
of
the
advisory
council,
members
of
city
councilor,
chuck
turner,
and
I
was
always
amazed,
no
matter
what
the
weather
elders
and
the
community
came
because
they
wanted
to
be
heard
and
they
knew
that
chuck
and
other
city
councillors
and
other
politicians
would
be
there.
Q
These
years
were
my
real
education
of
what
organizing
looks
like
and
how
to
meet
the
community
where
they're
at
as
a
founding
narc
commissioner,
which
I'm
no
longer
now
as
a
founding
net.
Commissioner,
I
travel
the
country
to
hear
from
african
americans
people
of
african
descent
line
up
in
atlanta
in
new
york
in
new
jersey
in
new
orleans
to
share
their
stories.
Q
Some
of
you
have
seen
me
in
different
spaces
in
boston,
but
my
common
theme
is-
and
I
am
the
count-
I'm
the
founder
and
director
of
encuentro
diaspora,
who
has
been
on
the
streets
of
boston
for
25
plus
years.
The
common
theme
is
seeking
the
liberation
of
af
people
of
african
descent
and
the
self-determination
to
define
and
speak
up
and
tell
their
story.
Q
Q
Q
In
the
2015
studies,
we've
heard
on
the
wealth
gap
we
found
the
medium
net
worth
for
white
household
in
greater
boston
was
a
quarter
million
dollars
and
for
black
families
it
was
just
eight
dollars.
After
that
report
came
out.
Our
own
chief,
current
chiefs
chief
called
an
emergency
meeting
for
black
bostonians
to
come
to
the
table
and
the
whole
as
he
I'm
quoting
him
from
his
own
interview.
The
whole
entire
meeting
was
we've
got
to
do
something
about
this.
This
is
a
state
of
emergency
and
we
need
to
talk
about
a
solution.
Q
Q
The
ongoing
disparities
are
vestiges
of
enslavement
insane
enslavement
lives
through
these
vestiges,
including
everything
post-civil
war,
lynching,
voter
suppression,
jim
crow
segregation
healed
in
earnest.
From
the
trauma
it
is
time
to
shift
the
consciousness,
it's
time
for
an
apology
and
to
begin
moving
in
the
direction
to
make
things
right.
We
speak
of
equity.
Now,
it's
time
to
act
on
it
all
black
bostonians,
first
and
foremost,
african
americans,
who
can
trace
their
land
harmed
by
this
troop,
should
be
a
part
of
this
conversation.
Q
Q
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
yvette
mother
stan.
Thank
you
to
dr
camera.
Thank
you
to
dr
winbush
for
your
insight
to
making
the
connections
about
repairing
the
harm
about
a
resilient
black
boston,
about
connecting
it
to
the
symbol,
the
symbol
to
the
real
economic
harm
derived
from
free
labor
rooted
in
the
exploitation
of
black
people
in
the
city
in
this
country
and
around
the
world.
A
I
am
incredibly
grateful
that
we
are
having
this
conversation
in
the
halls
of
government,
and
so
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
am
now
going
to
turn
it
again
to
my
colleagues
in
government
to
ask
questions
or
comments
for
to
any
of
the
remarks
that
that
have
been
made.
I
will
first
turn
it
over
to
lead
sponsor
city
councilor,
julia
mejia,
yeah,.
F
Thank
you,
counselor,
chair
illusion.
I
am
so
incredibly
grateful
to
our
panelists
for
centering
us
and
also
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
my
incredible
sister-in-service
counselor
tanya
anderson
fernandez,
who
always
really
sent
centers
us
fernandez.
Anderson.
Excuse
me
always
centers
us
in
what
this
work
is
really
all
about.
You
know
I
always
say
that
this
is
not
hard
work.
F
This
is
hard
work
and
sometimes
the
hard
work
is
the
hardest
to
do,
because
it
really
forces
us
to
shift
our
thinking
and
and
brings
us
to
a
very
uncomfortable
space,
but
that's
where
we
need
to
sit
in
in
this
moment
in
time.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
my
colleague
for
centering
us
in
that
I
just
have
a
few
questions.
You
know
when
we
first
filed
this
ordinance.
Our
office
phones
were
blowing
up.
Everybody
wanted
to
know
what
our
vision
as
as
counselors
were.
F
I
was
for
reparations
and
we
would
always
push
back
and
say
that
it
wasn't
about
us
in
terms
of
what
our
vision
was,
that
we
really
took
the
lead
from
the
two
co-authors
that
are
here.
Dr
kamara
and
yvette
mother
sting
in
particular
to
really
draft
up
this
deep
community
with
folks
who
have
been
on
the
ground
doing
this
work
much
longer
than
our
office.
F
Any
of
our
offices
have
been
right
so
really
understanding
that
this
specific
piece
of
legislation
that
we
put
forth
was
in
partnership
with
community,
and
I
think
that
oftentimes
there
is
this
idea
that
we
always
have
all
the
answers,
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
an
as
officers
is
really
change.
So
oftentimes.
The
way
we
do
business
and
really
what
leadership
is
about,
is
stepping
to
the
side
and
creating
space
for
the
real
folks
who
are
doing
the
work
to
also
lead.
F
B
B
We
have
the
naacp
king
boston
as
well
as
encuentro,
the
esporter
afro,
and
the
expertise
of
the
africana
studies
department
at
umass
boston.
It
is
these
core
groups
that
have
been
advocating
both
in
community
organizations
community
spaces,
as
well
as
through
the
academy
in
articulating
the
concerns
that
people
in
our
communities
have
had
over
the
years.
This
is
not
a
new
issue.
B
So
it
is
in
collaboration
with
the
instruments
of
public
policy
that
we
are
choosing
to
use
a
commission
structure
while
there
are
concerns
across
the
board
that
have
been
expressed
because
it
is
not
while
standing
on
the
historical
grounds
and
concerns
that
we
have
had
it.
This
is
manifest
in
a
series
of
of
public
policy
consequences
with
regard
to
housing
with
regard
to
education
with
regard
to
mental
health.
B
B
The
foundations
in
our
community
who
have
extraordinary
wealth,
non-taxable
wealth,
we're
sitting
in
a
community
whose
economic
engine
rests
upon
more
than
60
institutions,
of
higher
education,
non-profit,
tax-exempt
institutions
that
have
endowments,
some
of
which
are
larger
than
the
the
the
city's
money.
We
need
to
question
that
and
they
need
to
be
challenged
as
well.
B
So
it
is
a.
It
is
a
complex
issue.
It
is
why
we
are
proposing
the
use
of
a
commission,
certainly
over
this
initial
24-month
period,
to
adequately
begin
to
explore
these
to
come
up
with
recommendations
that
are
reasoned.
That
begin
to
direct
us
toward
a
comprehensive
vision
of
the
next
steps
that
we
would
take
going
forward,
whether
that
is
actually
the
establishment
of
a
an
office
that
was
suggested
earlier
by
councilor
edwards,
it
could
be.
Is
it
a
an
independent
structure?
B
It
could
be,
but
it
certainly
must
be,
guided
and
directed
by
those
who
have
been
challenged
most
directly
by
the
question.
First
of
all,
second
of
all,
in
order
to
move
the
work
forward,
we
need
to
have
a
public
apology
for
an
acknowledgement
of
what
has
transpired
up
to
this
point.
To
allow
us
then
collectively,
to
engage
to
move
forward
this
question
and,
thirdly,
understanding
the
interrelatedness
of
our
experience
here
in
boston
with
those
of
others
in
other
municipalities
in
the
country.
B
Other
states
is
referred
to
by
dr
win
bush
that
are
now
considering
these
across
the
country,
and
we
need
to
know
that
this
is
also
happening
internationally.
Councillor
louisiana.
You
spoke
about
the
experience
of
haiti
and
there,
just
as
there
is
a
national
african-american
reparations
commission,
there
is
a
caribbean
reparations
commission
that
is
challenging
the
the
governments
of
france
of
england
of
of
holland
dutch.
B
B
F
I
have
one
more
question,
just
in
the
interest
of
making
sure
that
my
colleagues
also
go.
So
thank
you
for
that,
dr
kumar,
for
being
so
eloquent.
You
know
I
always
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room
right
that
there's
so
many
things
happening,
that
we
don't
name
and
I'm
just
curious.
You
know,
which
is
this
whole
idea
of
reparations
in
boston.
F
You
know
we
know
it
has
received
some
serious
backlash
with
a
lot
of
people
saying
that
the
need
for
reparations
is
in
the
past
and
that
we
should
just
move
on
or
that
we
fought
a
civil
war,
and
that
was
our
reparations.
I
mean
I'm
just
curious
about
what
are
your
thoughts
on
these
arguments
and
what
would
you
say
to
someone
who
expresses
those
beliefs.
Q
I
I
wanted
to
jump
in
julia.
Thank
you
for
that
question
and
thank
you
baba
jamidari,
for
your
words
and
and
also
for
ray
for
his
expertise.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
room
for
all
those
conversations.
The
conversation
is
very
layered
but,
as
I
said,
in
my
words
it's
you
know.
I
wanted
to
bring
us
to
boston
to
the
everyday.
Q
You
know
this
is
stuff
that
we're
dealing
with
every
day.
You
know
for
the
last
two
years,
the
world
boston
has
had
the
same
two
conversations:
covid
and
anti
and
and
racism
and
black
lives
matter,
and
in
that
we
saw
the
disparities
of
who
was
most
affected,
so
it
hasn't
gone
away.
We
haven't
repaired
the
damage
the
system
is
still
functioning
in
a
way
that
does
not
humanize
the
african-american
black
people,
people
of
african
descent
experience
in
whatever
shade
you
show
up
in
whatever
shade
you
show
up
that
we
need
to
have
that
conversation.
Q
It
is
a
real
conversation.
Those
numbers
around
housing,
you
know
as
soon
as
kovit
was
lifted,
we're
seeing
numbers
of
summers,
getting
people
getting
evicted
in
our
streets
of
boston,
because
what
they're
making
doesn't
suit?
What
they
have
to
pay
out
so
do
not
say
that
we
have
resolved
this.
You
know
there
are
those
that
say.
Oh
we
have
resolved
this.
You
had
a
black
president.
Oh
we
have
resolved
this.
We
have
black
politicians.
No,
we
have
not
resolved
this
because
we
are
still
suffering
our
families
are
still
suffering.
Our
people
are
still
suffering.
Q
People
are
not
able
to
live
where
they
want
to
live
to
be
around
their
families.
Displacement
is
not
just
about
home.
Displacement
is
about
the
school
that
supermarket.
That
has
the
food
you
like
that
family
member.
That
supports
you
for
your
child
care,
so
I
think
we
need
to
re.
You
know.
The
intersectionality
of
this
conversation
is
very
profound
and
very
deep.
You
know
the
mental
and
emotional
damage
that
this
has
done
to
our
community
continues
to
linger
on.
Q
So
we
are
not
talking
about
the
the
past
needs
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation.
The
apology
needs
to
be
a
must,
but
we
also
need
to
have
the
conversation
of
what
is
happening
now
who
are
affected
on
these
streets
of
boston
that
we
all
live
in.
Who
are
the
black
bostonians
that
should
have
a
seat
at
this
table?.
P
Just
real
quick,
you
know
I
have
a
colleague
of
mine
that
says
that
we
may
well
be
called
the
united
states
of
amnesia.
You
know
we.
We
really
want
to
forget
and
there's
a
process
right
now
in
place
in
the
united
states,
we're
seeing
the
banning
of
books
not
talking
about
the
past,
and
in
fact,
if
you
do
talk
about
the
past,
you're
considered
part
of
critical
race
theory,
which
is
also
misnamed.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
this
idea
that
somehow
we
should
move
along
and
think
about.
P
F
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Dr
kamara,
I
appreciate
your
graciousness
in
all
of
your
comments
and
relating
to
my
comments
earlier.
I
assure
you
they're
not
from
me,
but
anything
good
that
comes
out
of
my
mouth
is
to
credit
our
creator
and
anything
bad.
You
can
definitely
hold
me
accountable.
I
look
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
I
guess
just
reiterating
I
don't
have
any
questions,
particularly
for
the
panel
I'm
anxiously
waiting
to
hear
public
testimonies
from
folks
as
well.
So
I'll
keep
this
short.
I
But
my
comment
is
just
to
reiterate
that
that
we
are
honest
about
our
own
biases
or
our
own
inferior
inferior
complex,
that
we
may
that
we
may
harbor
our
own
issues
that
we
are
dealing
with
as
we
make
space.
I
think
that
the
intersectionality
in
human
beings
is
a
very
common
one,
and
that
is
that
we're
all
the
same
and
we
all
we
all
want
to
be
loved
and
to
belong
and
to
prosper.
I
I
Hopefully
right.
So,
let's,
let's
talk
about
those
specifics.
Is
it
a
commission
for
a
couple
years
and
does
that
make
sense?
Do
we
go
straight
into
a
department
or
essentially
are
we
saying
a
commission
that
will
eventually
turn
into
a
department
either
way
the
folks
in
the
city?
We
know
that
the
city
is
not
prepared,
because
the
city
is
now
leading
by
example,
and
not
to
this
mayor's
credit,
but
to
the
ones
previous.
I
We
can
look
at
and
there's
a
hearing,
that's
coming
up
on
equity
in
the
budget.
We
can
look
at
how
the
elite,
the
city
is
leaving
with
this,
and
we
know
that
the
city
is
not
ready.
What
we're
saying
is
it
doesn't
matter
if
the
city
is
not
ready?
This
is
something
that
must
happen,
and
so
therefore,
let
it
be
it
so
we
I
look
forward
to
the
work
in
the
honest
conversations
about
again
our
own
biases
and
about
our
own
superiority
or
inferiority
complexes.
I
I
That's
that's
just
my
only
sentiment.
I
have
no
questions
other
than
we
already
know
that
this
needs
to
happen.
Can
we
talk
about
the
logistics?
Can
we
just
get
it
done
and
get
this
out
of
the
way?
It's
too
much?
It's
too
much
talking
it's
too
long.
It's
too
much
suffering
it's
too
much
pain
and
too
much
death
and
too
much
suffering,
and
we
know
we
know
the
issue.
Let's
just
be
honest
and
let's
just
get
it
done.
A
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
fernandez
anderson
for
your
comments.
You
know
I'm
reserving
mine,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
oftentimes
people
will
point
that,
as
you
stated
as
a
head
of
release
and
originally
stated
people
point
to
the
cost
of
reparations
as
being
really
high.
Well,
it's
because
the
violation,
the
harm
done,
was
really
high
and
very
expensive,
and
so
we
talk
about
the
work
of
reparations,
the
work
of
repairing
we
are
talking
about
making
people
whole,
and
that
first
is,
as
I
said
before,
it
is
a
moral
conversation.
A
It
is
a
conversation
about
how
do
we
do
right
by
our
neighbors?
It
is
a
conversation
about
how
do
we
live
in
a
just
society
and
that's
going
to
come
with
a
dollar
figure
if
we're
talking
about
repairing
harm.
So
I
do
want
us
to
just
be
honest
about
that,
which
is
why
I
think
the
historic
element
here
and
really
exploring
boston's
role
is
incredibly
important.
I'm
going
to
move
on
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
have
left
next
on.
The
list
was
council
president
ed
flynn,
who
I
don't
see.
A
A
G
First
and
foremost,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
panelists,
for
you
know
all
your
work
around
advocating
for
our
community.
I
mean
you're
studying
inside.
It's
really
shown
through
today
in
in
your
speaking,
just
wanted
to
ask
one
question,
and
I
know
as
boston.
We
should
be
leaders
right
to
dr
kamari's
point.
G
We
should
be
leaders
in
this
area
so,
but
I
just
want
to
also
just
looking
across
the
city,
I
believe
there's
a
few
cities
and
across
our
country
that
have
established
a
reparations.
Are
there
any
best
practices
that
you
could
that
we
can
do
right
now
to
continue
to
engage
our
community
around
this
conversation
that
you've
seen
throughout
throughout
the
country?
With
this
conversation
ongoing?
Are
there
any
best
practices
that
you
have
seen
on
how
we
can
get
more
people
excited
more
people
engaged
in
this
conversation,
around
reparations.
B
You
will
note
that,
in
the
structure
of
the
ordinance,
one
of
the
processes
that
will
occur
is
that
with
the
commission
there
will
be
a
series
of
hearings
that
would
be
held
around
the
city.
These
hearings
will
not
only
be
to
share
information
about
the
challenge
of
the
commission
and
its
intent
to
develop
the
report,
but
to
gather
information
to
gather
stories
to
gather
feedback
and
experiences
that
people
in
our
community
have
had
across
the
city
and
to
it
be
able
to
incorporate
those
stories
to
build
archives
of
information.
B
That
would
help
to
enhance
the
quality
of
the
report
and
understanding
of
the
experiences
and
so
that
the
commission
itself
can
actually
be
a
voice
of
the
experience
of
those
in
our
community.
While
we
yes,
we'll
have,
there
will
be
an
academic
arm
and
studying
the
specific
consequences
of
the
experience
and
with
regard
to
wealth,
building
and
housing
and
so
forth.
But
the
human
element
of
this
will
come
through
that
process.
B
It
is
an
interactive
one
that
we
expect,
and
this
is
what
has
happened
in
some
of
the
other
communities
that
we
will
certainly
want
to
learn
from,
but
the
actual
outcomes
will
be
very
unique
to
the
structure
of
our
community.
We
are
not
structured
like
some
of
the
other
cities,
the
the
reasons
why
people
are
here.
The
economic
base
of
our
city
is
unique
and
we
need
to
then
be
able
to
apply
those
experiences
to
the
uniqueness
of
our
circumstance.
B
Q
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
thank
you
for
that
question,
counselor
warrell,
that
you
know
we
can
see.
You
know
I
saw
the
examples
of
california.
We
have
the
examples
of
evaston.
We
are
now
seeing
some
of
the
movement
in
in
new
jersey,
but
you
know
once
again
it
goes
back
to
you
know
where
we
started
what
the
chair
woman
has
shared.
What
counselor
fernandez
anderson
has
shared
is
that
you
know
it
has
to
be
the
community
dictating
this
boston
has
its
own,
unique
history.
Q
I
would
hold
to
to
define
what
it
should
be
without
the
community's
voice
at
the
whole
community
voice
at
the
table.
So
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
can
be
answered
once
we
move
this
forward
and
take
this
into
the
community
hear
from
the
community.
Boston
is
very
unique
from
all
the
places
that
I've
traveled
in
this
country
and
how
the
economics
here,
the
the
the
the
communities
here,
the
segregation
to
a
certain
extent
that
still
exists
here
also
needs
to
be
part
of
that
conversation.
B
I
mean
this
is
just
one
specific
small
case
in
point
about
how
innovative
public
policy
can
be
used
to
begin
to
address
the
question.
All
too
often
we
we
are
always
you
know,
thinking
about.
Well,
it's
the
money.
What
about
the
money
about
the
money?
Well
again,
I
want
us
to
think
about
how
are
we
expanding
the
pool?
This
is
not
a
zero-sum
question
in
additionally,
the
question
of
repair
is
far
more
comprehensive
than
just
money.
B
We're
talking
about
human
experiences,
the
the
the
intergenerational
consequences
on
health
and
both
mental
and
physical
health,
education
and
police,
the
structure
of
policing
it's
much
more
complex.
Yes,
money
is
involved.
That's
a
creative
way
of
solving
a
very
small
portion
of
the
problem,
and
I
think
that
we
can
come
up
with
very
other
innovative
ways.
Ourselves.
J
J
You
know
so
there's
it's
a
complex,
it's
a
complex
issue
and
I
really
appreciate
your
thoughtfulness
and
your
knowledge
and
your
expertise
and
your
commitment
to
doing
this
work.
So
I
really
don't
have
any
other
comments.
Madam
chair
just
to
say
you
know,
my
focus
has
always
been
on
housing
and
affordable
housing
for
the
working
people
in
boston,
and
I
think
that's
that's
where
I
come
to
this
is
the
housing
piece
and
and
the
damaging
effects
of
of
redlining
all
across
the
city.
J
The
reality
is
that
the
huge
amount
of
boston
was
redlined
and,
and
it
is,
it
is
we're
seeing
the
the
contrails,
the
vapor
trails
of
all
of
that,
still
going
forward
into
our
future
and
how
how
land
development
is
happening
right
now.
So
I
appreciate
the
conversation
and
I
look
forward
to
learning
more
and
participating
as
best
I
can.
L
Oh
yeah,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
chair,
louisiana
and
the
sponsors
for
this
and
as
the
vice
chair
of
the
civil
rights
and
immigrant
advancement
committee,
I
appreciate
this
hearing,
I'm
glad
I
stayed
on
and
I
learned
a
lot
from
the
panelists
thank
you
and
I
look
forward
to
continue
our
work
together
and
the
commission
when
it's
up
and
running
to
be
part
of
those
conversations
and
learn
more
from
all
of
you
who
are
experts
in
this
field.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
this
today.
A
R
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
the
panelists
for
coming
and
sharing
with
us
what
you're,
what
you're
thinking
and
just
giving
us
your
your
wisdom
as
we
kind
of
take
on
in
on
this
path.
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
will
move
to
a
working
session
and
we
can
kind
of
have
those
conversations
there
in
the
future
to
have
this.
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
are
coming
up
for
me.
R
The
conversation
around
philanthropy
is
something
that's
ever
present
for
me
before
I
came
onto
the
city
council.
I
was
the
one
of
the
directors
of
a
national
foundation,
and
this
was
a
part
of
the
work
that
I
did
with
my
colleagues
in
philanthropy
right.
We
had
this
conversation
about
what
to
do
with
these
massive
endowments
and
all
of
this
wealth
that
could
not
be
amassed
without
the
exploitation
of
marginalized
communities
right
and
so
one
having
that
conversation
teaching,
you
know,
thank
you
teaching,
families.
R
You
know
from
family
foundation
ceos
of
big
foundations
talking
about
this
history
right,
looking
at
the
impact
that
philanthropy
has
had,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that's
coming
up
for
me
as
I'm
seeing
the
list
of
people
who
should
be
here,
is
that
I'm
thinking
about
how
we
widen
this
lens
right?
We're
it's
not
just
the
city
of
boston,
as
we've
people
have
kind
of
been
repeating
here.
R
We
need
to
think
about
phila
philanthropic
organizations
who
have
made
their
wealth
on
the
back
of
black
and
brown
people
and,
if
I'm
being
honest,
this
hearing
specifically
is
about
reparations
for
african-americans
and
when
we
think
about
this
country.
We
also
can't
forget
the
you
know
the
original
sin
that
that
you
know
our
original
sins
are
the
genocide
of
indigenous
people,
the
stealing
of
indigenous
land
and
the
transatlantic
slave
trade
and
thinking
about
how
we
expand
this
conversation
around
repair,
councilor
braden
just
talked
about
housing.
R
All
of
the
impacted
communities
should
be
involved,
and
so
I
would
make
a
plug
for
widening
our
scope
around
reparations,
particularly
because
we're
in
boston
we're
in
massachusetts
we're
in
in
our
land
and
so
many
other
indigenous
tribes
that
have
suffered
from
what
we've
done
here
and
by
expanding
that
lens
we
can
bring
in
philanthropy.
We
can
bring
in
the
universities
right
all
of
these
people.
I
think
one
of
the
examples
that
we've
heard
of
most
recently
when
it
comes
to
reparations,
has
been
georgetown
university,
where
the
students
took
a
vote
to
tax
themselves.
R
No
student
should
be
taxing
themselves
in
order
to
give
reparations
to
the
descendants
of
enslaved
africans.
When
a
university
has
a
2.6
billion
endowment
that
they
only
spend
down
five
percent
on
every
year.
That
has
only
gotten.
This
is
from
2020
right,
so
it's
only
gotten
bigger
in
the
pandemic,
as
so
many
of
them
already
have,
and
so
there
is
some
work
that
we
need
to
do
outside
of
the
city
of
boston.
R
We
can
lead
and
we
can
set
the
example,
but
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
bring
in
other
people
into
this
conversation
who
have
more
money
who
have
made
more
money
and
who
have
this
to
offer.
So
I'm
excited
to
be
in
conversation
with
all
of
you
about
what
that
looks
like,
and
I
would
like
to
be
in
conversation
with
the
makers
around.
How
do
we
expand
kind
of
like
this
ordinance
in
the
working
session?
How
do
we
expand
the
language?
R
How
do
we
bring
in
people
from
foundations
to
kind
of?
How
do
we
bring
them
along
to
have
this
conversation,
because
the
resources
are
there?
They're,
not
only
financial,
but
the
resources
are
there
and
there
are
creative
ways
that
we
can
move
to
a
repair
harm
and
financially
compensate
right
like
we're
talking
about
a
theft
of
labor,
hundreds,
hundreds
of
years
of
depth
of
labor,
and
so
I
know
that
we
want
to
zoom
out
beyond
financial
compensation,
but
ultimately
money
is
owed,
and
so
thinking
about
how
we
implement
both
of
those.
P
Just
something
very
quick
yeah
when
you
mention
georgetown,
the
students
actually
asked
them
to
charge
27.20
onto
their
student
fees,
and
that
was
in
memoriam
to
the
272
enslaved
africans
that
were
sold
to
keep
georgetown
afloat,
which
you
may
or
may
not
know,
is
that
three
days
ago
the
administration
said
they
were
not
going
to
pay
reparations
to
individuals,
but
that
they
were
going
to
set
up
a
scholarship
fund,
and
so
they
have
resisted
the
students
themselves.
Taxing
themselves
about.
You
know:
payment
for
the
sins
of
georgetown
and
you're
correct.
S
R
This
is
why
it's
incredibly
important
that
we
have
these
conversations
at
the
highest
systemic
level
at
the
structural
level
and
not
just
on
a
one
by
one
individual
basis,
because
ultimately,
white
supremacy
is
the
water.
They
are
the
waters
that
we're
swimming
in
and
if
students
in
good
faith
can
try
to
make
an
effort
and
a
university
can
say
no
still,
then
we
know
that
we
have
to
go
further
upstream
to
have
some
kind
of
impact
right.
A
A
A
Amazing,
thank
you
for
making
time.
Thank
you
for
making
time
and
staying
on.
I
guess
I
will
go
back
to
my
colleagues
to
see
if
anyone
has
any
additional
comments
or
questions
before
we
turn
it
over
to
more
community
voices
to
public
testimony
so
that
we
can
get
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
room.
Who've
been
working
on
reparations.
We
have
comments.
We've
also
received
a
number
of
written
comments.
You've
taken
yourself
back
off
me.
So
the
floor
is
yours.
F
F
This
is
our
opportunity
here
in
the
city
of
boston,
to
put
boston
on
the
map
and
to
be
a
leader
in
in
this
conversation
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
the
political
will
and
courage
to
be
able
to
do
just
that
right,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
do
things.
The
way
they've
been
done
before
it's
obvious
because
of
the
city
charter.
F
So
I
just
want
to
just
share
my
deep
gratitude
for
you
staying
here
and
with
us.
We
we
did
invite
other
chiefs
chief,
but
his
schedule
did
not
permit
to
be
here
with
us
today,
but
I
know
had
it.
He
would
have
been
here,
and
I
know
that
during
the
working
sessions
we'll
have
more
opportunities
to
bring
in
other
chiefs
to
to
the
floor
to
to
discuss,
including
chief
dylan
in
regards
to
housing.
F
So
this
conversation
is
going
to
get
bigger
to
cause
a
lot
of
point
and
expanding
the
tent,
if
you
will
to
ensure
that
all
voices
are
at
the
table
and
that
we're
all
taking
responsibility
and
that
we're
all
going
to
be
held
accountable
to
what
this
work
looks.
Like.
I
see
that
my
colleague,
tanya
fernandez
anderson,
has
her
hand
up,
so
I
will
end
there.
Thank
you.
I
I
My
position
on
this
is
that,
let's
be
very
clear,
every
single
time
we're
addressing
the
african-american
flight,
somehow
we
commoditize
it
to
benefit
others
or
to
dilute
it
or
to
be
including
other
groups
and
eventually,
as
councilmember,
was
saying
doing
business
as
usual.
Let's
be
very
intentional
that
this
is
specific
to
a
group
and
yes,
we
need
to
address
the
native
american
situation.
We
need
to
probably
that's
a
whole
nother
project.
That
is
probably
I
mean
the
genocide
that
we
can't
even
begin
to
talk
about
right
now,
right.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
fernandez,
anderson,
for
your
comments
really
appreciate.
You
know
uplifting
that
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised
from
my
colleagues
I
am
going
to
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart
and
with
the
with
a
feeling
of
immense
gratitude.
Thank
the
panelists.
I
particularly
dr
winbush.
When
you
started
talking
about
you,
know
the
royal
family
and
about
belinda's
about
belinda's
plight.
A
Their
will
right
here
to
boston,
are
not
just
south
carolina,
not
just
the
carolinas
and
louisiana
right
here
in
boston
and
now
the
institutions
that
presume
to
be
the
epicenters
of
truth,
whose
endowments
grew
by
10
billion
dollars
in
the
year
of
a
pandemic
need
to
yes
remove
symbols,
but
also
be
involved
in
the
repairing
of
the
harm
that
has
really
stymied
and
damned
our
communities.
You
know
wealth
is
not
the
only
metric
of
you
know.
Monetary
wealth
is
not
the
only
metric
for
a
community
success.
A
A
So
I
know
that
we
have
working
sessions
to
come
from
this
from
this
hearing,
and
I
am
grateful
for
all
of
your
voices
here
to
the
lead
sponsor
again
councilor
mejia
and
the
co-sponsors
council,
royale
and
councillor
fernandez
anderson.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
I
know
that
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
with
me
and
my
colleagues,
so
thank
you.
L
A
A
I
am
going
to
ask
that
you,
just
because
we
have
a
number
of
people
wanting
to
share
their
thoughts,
their
heart,
their
their
expertise
on
this
issue,
for
everyone
to
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
so
that
we
can
get
everyone's
public
testimony
in
so
the
first
on
the
list
I
see
right
now
is-
and
I
have
a
timer
sorry
just
because
you
know
I'm
still
new
to
this
game,
but
we're
limited
in
our
time,
so
I'm
gonna
bring
in.
I
see.
A
M
Good
morning,
chair
luigi,
thank
you
for
your
skillful
facilitation
of
this
hearing
so
far.
Okay,
I
will
work
to
stick
to
my
timing,
but
greetings
everyone.
My
name
is
tammy
tai,
I'm
a
resident
of
dorchester,
I'm
a
mother
of
three
teenage
children,
voter
active
community
member,
including
in
my
role
as
deputy
director
king
boston,
one
of
the
organizations
that's
named,
to
sit
on
this
commission.
M
M
We've
got
to
be
trusted
to
do
this
work,
and
it
has
to
be
led
by
the
descendants
of
those
african
slaves
for
whom
we
seek
ultimate
justice
and
repose,
just
as
you
would
in
an
interpersonal
conflict,
only
those
who
have
been
harmed
can
determine
what
the
appropriate
repair
should
be,
and
thus
reparations
cannot
be
dictated
by
the
offending
c
system
right.
So
even
this
notion
of
the
offending
system
holding
this
group
accountable,
the
offending
system
cannot
do
that,
even
if
the
system
is
led
by
descendants
of
african
slaves
or
other
people
of
color.
M
So
the
system
must
provide
the
resources
and,
as
others
have
lifted
up,
there
are
other
systems.
Private
philanthropy
that
we're
going
to
call
into
account
through
this
process
systems
must
provide
the
resources
to
support
this
work,
but
it's
got
to
be
led
by
individuals
who
are
not
beholden
to
the
system.
So
I'll,
just
close
with,
I
implore
you
to
put
boston
on
the
right
side
of
history,
we're
looking
for
this
commission
to
be
passed
quickly
and
unanimously
right.
So
this
work
of
repair
and
reimagining
for
our
future
can
begin.
So.
Thank
you,
chair
luigen,.
A
O
O
The
ndc
made
the
call
for
boston
reparations
to
mayor
marty
walsh
and
to
members
of
the
boston
city
council
that
call
for
reparation
was
heard
across
the
globe
as
it
was
reported
in
the
associated
press.
We
made
this
call
for
reparations
in
context
of
changing
the
name
of
faneuil
hall,
a
test
that
still
needs
attention,
a
task.
That's
still
that
is
invariably
connected
to
reparations.
O
O
While
the
historical
record
has
been
suppressed,
it
must
be
known
that
blacks
in
boston
suffered
enormous
theft,
about
which
there
should
be
restitution,
to
put
it
mildly.
Political
agency
was
stolen,
personal
identity
was
stolen,
epistemological
systems
were
ruptured,
cultural
paradigms
were
stolen,
wages
were
stolen,
familial
and
cosmological
connections
were
stolen.
O
O
O
A
T
Okay,
thank
you
I'll.
Try
to
be
as
brief
as
I
can.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
yeah
a
lot
of
interesting
conversation.
You
know
commission
versus
office,
the
logistics
of
it.
That's
not
really
a
big
concern
of
mine.
You
know
I
kind
of
leave
that
to
the
you
know
the
mind
of
the
council
of
how
they
want
to
structure
that,
but
what
I
am
encouraged
by
is
the
need
for
including
the
community
voices.
T
This
can't
just
be
a
bureaucratic
process.
The
people
have
to
be
brought
in
there's
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
of
activists
who
have
a
lot
of
insight
who
have
studied
and
advocated
on
this
issue.
So
I'm
encouraged
by
that
I'm
encouraged
by
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
city
council
in
terms
of
running
two
questions.
Instead
of
running
away
from
them.
T
I
I've
heard
talk
of
running
two
speaking
to
a
specific
community
of
eligibility
to
compensation
to
dealing
with
the
difficult
question
that
the
vestiges
of
slavery
have
driven
black
bostonians
outside
of
boston.
So
I
would
just
encourage
that
if
and
when
this
commission
moves
forward
run
to
those
difficult
questions,
the
united
states
has
been
dodging
the
specific
negro
question
since
the
founding
of
this
country,
they've
run
away
from
slavery,
they've
run
away
from
reconstruction,
they've
run
away
from
jim
crow
they've
run
away
from
the
stealing
and
hoarding
of
wealth.
T
I
can't
pay
this.
I
can't
fix
this.
This
requires
a
federal
solution,
so
I
just
because
it's
a
hard
process,
you
know
don't
run
from
it,
don't
run
from
the
specific
question,
even
though
it's
a
contentious
one,
let's
sit
with
the
question.
Let's
answer
it
honestly,
and
my
hope
is
that
if
the
commission
is
formed,
that
it
will
be
empowered
to
do
just
that
and
include
you
know
the
voices
in
the
community,
specifically
those
descendants
who
are
directly
impacted
by
the
institution
of
chattel
slavery.
But
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
so
much
reggie
really
appreciate.
This
is
why
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
always
have
community
voices
at
the
table,
because
your
comments
were
just
we're
really
spot
on
not
to
run
away
from
the
hard
questions
but
to
drive
towards
them.
The
next
person
on
our
list
is,
I
think,
derek
smith
is
here
so
derek
smith.
A
N
Good
afternoon
members
of
the
boston
city
council,
as
you
get
as
you
heard,
the
councilwoman
said
that
my
name
is
derek
smith
and
I'm
here
and
support
the
new
democracy
coalition
and,
most
recently,
our
friend
reggie
stewart,
adolf
movement,
free
men's
movement,
fba
movement
and
his
efforts
to
change
the
racial
climate,
not
just
here
in
boston
but
throughout
the
country
and
the
creation
of
boston
race.
Commission,
as
you
guys
know
here
in
boston
and
it's
around
the
areas
that
reverend
king
had
called
the
beloved
community
where
truth
and
justice
prevails.
N
N
N
This
call
has
made
more
within
the
context
of
changing
the
name
of
fanu
hall.
As
a
reparative
act,
I
will
call
spark
the
movement
in
boston.
This
call
has
been
joined
by
other
activists
in
the
city
of
boston
and
across
the
state.
The
new
democracy
coalition
has
engaged
in
strategic
partners
nationally
on
this
issue.
N
Also.
I
would
like
to
mention
that
the
racial
wealth
gap
in
boston
had
a
report
done
by
the
federal
reserve
on
a
disparity
of
white
black
immigrants,
hispanic
and
the
free
asian
groups,
but
black
americans,
who
antics,
who
ancestors
told
you
for
free,
are
economically
behind
all
those
ethnic
groups
mentioned.
N
A
U
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
having
everybody
here.
I
appreciate
your
work.
My
name
is
aziza
robinson
good
night.
I
have
served
as
the
project
director
for
the
boston
reparations
campaign
through
the
new
democracy
coalition
for
over
a
year
now,
and
I'm
a
bostonian
whose
family
has
been
here
for
multiple
generations
and
whose
land
has
been
taken
by
urban
renewal.
I'm
a
voter
mother
daughter
and
an
active
member
in
the
community
at
many
levels.
Please
accept
the
statement
for
public
record
regarding
docket
number
0239.
U
U
If
boston
is
to
ever
begin
reckoning
its
century-old
economic
apartheid
and
must
acknowledge
and
rectify
the
places
from
where
the
hate
stems
from
this
statement
is
an
expression
of
my
demand
for
reparations
commission
in
boston,
I'm
aware
and
a
survivor
of
the
struggles
within
the
black
community,
especially
as
they
pertain
to
social
justice.
Blacks
have
lived
in
boston
before
its
founding
as
a
city
and
thousands
of
others
who
built
this
country
and
arrived
as
enslaved.
U
People
boston
must
apologize
for
a
racist
past
and
creating
an
image
of
black
existence
as
a
danger
for
pushing
the
agenda
of
a
racial
bias
in
plain
sight.
Those
who
control
the
image
control
the
mind
along
with
many
other
bostonians.
I
find
myself
grateful
for
this
historic
city
council
cohort
representing
the
most
diversity
the
city
has
ever
seen
in
its
history.
U
For
this,
I
thank
representative
ayanna,
pressley
and
counselor
thomas
atkins
for
being
the
first
black
woman
and
man
to
sit
on
the
boston
city
council,
trailblazing,
a
path
for
boston's
historic
cohort,
consisting
of
seven
black
men
and
brown
leaders,
black
and
brown
leaders
as
a
black
bostonian.
I'm
deeply
grateful
for
what
you
all
stand
to
represent
on
the
city
council,
but
with
this
gratitude
comes
a
great
duty
to
ask
you
to
remember
where
you
came
from
in
the
city
to
remember
the
plight
of
thousands
of
black
bostonians
and
heard
and
underrepresented
in
boston's
success.
U
Black
citizens
across
boston
need
your
voice
to
help
uplift
an
apology
from
the
bowels
of
this
city,
for
its
participation
in
the
transatlantic
slave
trade
and
to
support
current
repre
reparative
efforts
for
justice
in
form
of
commission.
The
most
underserved
communities
have
shown
you
up
to
get
you
in
the
positions
representing
their
communities.
Will
you
return
the
favor?
Will
you
choose
to
stand
by
them?
We
will
not
be
paying
attention
to
the
only
words
the
city
council
has
to
offer
us
as
lip
service,
but
also
the
actions
that
you
all
choose
to
stand
upon.
U
We
need
reparations
commission
in
boston
that
includes
art
and
culture
and
history
as
a
heartbeat
that
drives
black
people
in
order
to
create
a
safe
space
for
black
existence.
We
must
respect
the
work
that
has
been
done
before
us
and
continue
to
push
for
racial
resolve
for
black
lives
and
to
your
colleagues.
This
also
this
that
also
work
for
us,
because
there
are
black
people
in
every
district
of
the
city.
U
This
is
your
forefather.
It
is
now
time
to
repay
his
debt
any
questions
about
how
the
commission
members
will
be
paid
with
any
mention
of
being
less
than
any
other.
Member
of
any
other
commission
is
irrelevant
and
disrespectful
our
contributions
to
america
far
our
way
most
and
we
deserve
it
all.
I
urge
you
and
your
colleagues
to
move
quickly
to
establish
ambition
immediately
in
order
to
show
the
people
of
boston.
A
S
A
S
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
quick
things
based
on
what
I've
been
hearing
it
seems
there
has
been
considerable
pushback
to
people
talking
about
reparations
in
boston.
I
imagine
that
will
continue
to
happen.
I
just
want
to
ask
whose
comfort
are
we
prioritizing
if
we
remain
silent
and
if
we
choose
to
continue
to
not
act
and
just
to
to
say
that?
Well,
of
course,
the
the
cost
of
reparations
may
be.
I
feel
that
there
are.
S
There
is
money
for
things
if
we
want
to
find
it.
Sometimes
creative
actions
need
to
be
taken,
but
reparations
are
absolutely
critical
and
I
think
a
critical
first
step
that
needs
to
be
taken
to
repair
the
deep
harm
done
to
black
and
african-american
communities.
So
this
this
happening
is
not
an
option
this.
S
A
S
V
Yes,
my
name
is
jonatha,
I'm
originally
from
new
orleans,
I'm
a
member
of
the
tunica
bloxy
tribe,
guest
here
on
massachusetts
territory,
president
of
jamaica,
plain
and
president
of
the
north
american
indian
center
of
boston.
I
serve
on
the
executive
committee
of
the
black
mass
coalition
and
nacop
frequently
partners
with
the
new
democracy
coalition
in
king
boston
in
solidarity.
V
Nikob
reiterates
that
this
process
towards
a
reparations
agenda,
an
action
plan
for
the
city
of
boston,
must
be
led
by
those
most
impacted
in
terms
of
how
boston
and
the
commonwealth
has
benefited
from
the
oppression
of
black
and
indigenous
peoples.
Of
course,
we
can
look
to
the
2005
repeal
of
the
boston
indian
imprisonment
act
which
made
it
illegal
for
american
indians
to
walk
the
streets
of
a
boston
unescorted.
V
We
can
look
to
the
paper
genocide
through
the
mid
19th
century
race,
science
on
blood
quantum
which
impacts
american
indian
tribes
across
the
united
states
today,
which
disappeared
indigenous
peoples
just
for
intermarriage
with
african
peoples.
An
equitable
community
driven
process
for
reparations
would
include
ending
racial
profiling
and
discrimination
in
the
provision
of
health
care,
providing
scholarship
and
community
development
funds.
V
For
those
most
impacted
and
supporting
processes
of
self-determinations
for
broader
impacts
of
all
towards
all
black
people
of
african
descent
in
boston,
we
look
to
the
inclusion,
especially
of
community
members
of
nikob,
who
are
black
and
indigenous,
who
can
be
restored
in
the
wholeness
of
all
over
who
our
people
are.
And
in
closing,
madam
chair,
I
hope
that
my
testimony
is
accepted
in
the
spirit
of
liberty.
A
We
will
very
much
receive
it
in
that
spirit
of
pratianite
brotherhood
live
after
liberty
and
again
equality.
I
do
not
see
anyone
else
from
the
public
here
to
testify.
I
want
to
just
give
that,
like
15
seconds,
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
missing
anyone,
because
the
community's
voice
needs
to
be
front
and
center.
All
black
and
brown
voices,
especially
in
the
city,
need
to
be
centered
in
this
conversation,
so
just
checking
quickly
with
my
team
to
make
sure
that
we've
gotten
everyone.
A
We
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
out
of
your
busy
schedules
to
write
to
our
committee
to
about
your
support
or
feelings
or
sentiments
around
on
this
commission
and
around
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
here
in
the
city
of
boston
to
repair
harm,
and
so
that
your
testimony
written
testimony
will
be
part
of
the
record.
I
now
want
to
turn
it
over
to
the
sponsors
and
my
colleagues
to
see
if
they
have
any
closing
remarks
so
councilor
mejia,
you
have
the
floor.
F
Thank
you,
chairwoman,
luigen,
for
hosting
a
fabulous
hearing.
You
know
you
kept
us
on
time,
which
is
something
that
is
usually
very
difficult
to
do.
So
we
appreciate
you
and
now
I
just
wanted
to
thank
our
public
testimony
folks
who,
who
brought
in
additional
things
for
us
to
to
think
about.
I
really
do
appreciate
the
accountability
piece
in
this
moment
in
time.
I
Thank
you,
chairwoman.
I
thank
you
for
all
the
pelvis
and
the
public
testimonies.
I
think
that
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction.
I
look
forward
to
the
next
step
where
we
can
actually
talk
about
developing
the
commission.
I
think
there
were
a
lot
of
like
wonderful
feedback
and
research
here
today
and
look
forward
to
more.
I
don't
have
any
further
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
L
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
just
grateful
for
all
the
testimony
in
support
of
this
ordinance.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
city
council
and
my
colleagues
to
ensure
that
it's
as
impactful
as
it
needs
to
be
and
that
the
work
that
we're
putting
in
is
right
sized
for
what
the
people
of
the
city
of
boston
deserve
for
this
particular
commission.
A
A
I
think
those
are
all
of
the
names
who
are
folks
who
join
but
are
not
here
at
the
moment.
I
want
to
extend
tremendous
gratitude
to
chief
media
angeli,
sodi
sivera
for
clearing
that
schedule
and
saying
no
I'm
going
to
be
here
till
12,
and
you
say
no,
I'm
going
to
be
here,
12
33,
because
the
work
this
is
big
work.
This
is
not
something
that
we
are
going
to
have
a
solution
to
you
know
tomorrow.
A
It
is
work
that
folks
generations
of
folks
generations
of
black
folks
have
been
working
towards
and
to
have
the
administration
human
present
to
also
be
thinking
about
thinking
alongside
us.
How
we
get
this
done
so
that
we
can
face
the
truth
of
our
history
so
that
we
can
repair
harm
done
and
think
about
how
we
never
again
allow
this
to
happen
and
how
we
can
make
our
people
and
our
communities
wholes.
I
appreciate
you
for
being
here
what
a
phenomenal
panel.
A
I
also
want
to
thank,
of
course,
chief
lori
lori
nelson
chief
resilience
officer
who's
here.
Hopefully,
next
time
we
will
be
able
to
have
her
here
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
along
with
other
chiefs
in
the
city
of
boston,
so
that
we
could
bring
the
weight
of
government
to
solving
helping
us
address
this.
This
issue
of
reparations
fabulous
panel
of
folks,
dr
jamidari.
P
A
Yvette
modistein,
dr
raymond
winbush.
Thank
you
for
your
knowledge,
your
intellect
your
wisdom,
your
heart,
your
expertise
on
this
issue
that
you
are
brought
to
bear
in
this
ordinance
and
in
this
hearing
this
work
really
does
start
in
the
community
and
with
with
the
experts
and
with
your
expertise,
and
so
we
thank
you
for
all
that
you
bring
and
all
that
you
have
brought
to
this
hearing.
This
is
just
the
first
step
on
having
this
hearing
on
this
ordinance.
A
We
obviously
given
the
range
and
breadth
of
this
conversation
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
when
we're
thinking
about
imagining.
How
do
we
have
the
most
impact
to
address
to
address
the
the
question
and
study
the
question
of
reparations?
We
have
great
models
with
hr
40
on
the
federal
level.
We
see
what
other
cities
have
been
doing
like
evanston.
A
We
can
lean
that
we
can
learn
from,
but
also
lean
into
our
own
expertise
here
in
the
city
of
boston
in
creating
this
commission.
So
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
time.
I
will
have
working
sessions
on
this
for
the
future.
The
future
and
those
dates
will
be
shared
with
the
public,
so
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
for
coming
and
to
all
the
non-profit
organizations
and
activists
who
gave
their
time
and
public
testimony.
We
thank
you
because
we
lead
by
example,
and
you
all
are
the
example.
A
So
thank
you,
everyone
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
afternoon
and
also
thank
you
to
central
staff
city
council,
central
staff,
without
whom
this
hearing
would
not
have
been
possible.
I'm
still
learning
how
to
run
these
hearings
and
because
of
them
I
want
to
just
give
christine
a
shout
out:
carry
everyone
on
central
staff
who
has
made
sure
that
this
hearing
and
for
all
virtual
hearings
and
in-person
hearings
can
run,
can
run
smoothly.