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Docket #0242 - Hearing regarding recycling, compost, and waste services in the City of Boston
A
Calling
this
hearing
to
order
for
the
record,
my
name
is
kenzie
bach,
I'm
the
district
8
city
councillor
and
also
the
chair
of
the
boston
city
council's
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology,
which
is
holding
this
hearing
today.
This
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
and
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city
council
dash
tv.
It
will
be
rebroadcast
on
xfinity
channel,
8,
rcn,
channel
82
and
files
channel
964..
A
We
will
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
if
you
wish
to
testify
via
video
conference,
if
you're
watching
this
from
home,
please
email,
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cora,
c-o-r-a,
dot,
montrond
m-o-n-t-r-o-m-d
at
boston.gov
to
sign
up
when
you're
called
please
state
your
name
and
affiliation
in
residence
and
limit
your
comments
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
just
so
we
can
make
sure
all
comments
can
be
heard
if
you're
here
in
the
room
today-
and
we
are
back
in
the
ayanella
chamber
and
pleased
to
be
so-
you
can
actually
sign
up
over
there.
A
The
subject
of
the
hearing
is
docket
0242
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
recycling,
compost
and
waste
services
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
it
was
sponsored
by
myself,
counselor,
braden
and
counselor
flaherty
and
referred
to
the
committee
on
february,
2nd
2022
and
just
for
folks
as
reference
before
we
get
going.
This
is
really
designed
as
a
way
to
talk
about
the
whole
suite
of
our
waste
management
services,
with
a
particular
focus
on
the
sustainable
aspect
of
the
portfolio.
A
So
you
know
that's
everything
from
recycling
which
the
city's
you
know
the
city
switched
to
single
stream
and
the
whole
single
stream
recycling
world
has
experienced
some
considerable
challenges.
So
we
want
to
talk
about
that.
It's
things
like
you
know
hazardous
waste
and
e-waste,
which
are
a
growing
part
of
our
portfolio.
A
It's
things
like
composting,
which
the
city
has
long.
You
know
aspired
to
do
more
on
and
has
had
a
number
of
of
well
I'll.
Let
brian
speak
to
it
more,
but
we've
had
some
false
starts
and
some
sort
of
half
starts
and
we're
really
trying
to
to
get
into
that
in
a
new
way
coming
up,
and
so
you
know
this
is
it's
the
very
definition
of
municipal
services.
A
It's
what
this
committee
is
designed
to
dig
into,
and
it
also
in
its
own,
very
kind
of
like
unsexy
way
is
a
key
part
of
thinking
about
what
a
real
climate
ready
boston
looks
like
and
also
how
we
can
better
serve
our
constituents.
So
we
you
know,
we
have
a
largely.
We
have
a
substantial
number
of
new
council
members
and
there's
just
been
a
lot
of
progress
on
these
fronts
and
moving
pieces,
and
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
check
in
with
public
works
for
a
while.
A
So
that's
really
the
kind
of
catch-all
objective
of
this,
and-
and
I
very
much
expect
that
we'll
open
areas
today
that
will
require
further
follow-up,
as
the
session
goes
on.
So
without
further
ado,
I
I
do
want
to
pass
it
over
to
brian
coughlin,
again
the
superintendent
of
waste
reduction
for
the
city
of
boston
and
let
him
give
an
opening
statement
and
then
we'll
jump
into
counselor
questions.
So
right.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
council
members
and
attendants
today,
especially
those
who
sponsored
this
hearing,
appreciate
it
on
behalf
of
my
staff.
A
waste
reduction
in
public
works
truly
grateful
to
have
this
opportunity,
especially
back
in
the
inland
chambers.
It's
great
to
be
here,
it's
great
to
be
sharing
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
today
and
things
that
we're
working
on
throughout
the
year
and
the
future
things
to
come
so
really
appreciate
the
time
I.
B
B
The
future
of
waste
in
the
city
is
dependent
on
many
things,
including
the
discussion
and
efforts.
We
take
today
the
vision
for
a
cleaner
and
more
sustainable
city
tomorrow
and,
more
importantly,
the
ability
to
implement
the
new
vision
into
reality
that
not
only
will
steer
our
city
on
a
path
to
zero
waste,
but
one
that
will
uplift
our
communities
and
support
all
residents
who
call
boston
home
for
generations
to
come.
B
B
B
So
if
we
increase
our
recycling
by
that
much,
you
would
think
that
the
diversion
rate
would
be
a
lot
higher
than
it
is
today
the
facts
of
the
matter.
The
total
waste
that
the
city
is
generating
has
not
moved
too
much.
Although
the
recycling's
gone
up
this,
the
amount
of
trash
and
the
amount
of
material
combined
that
were
thrown
away
is
still
relatively
high,
so
the
diversion
rates
somewhere
between
21
and
22
percent,
so
for
us,
as
a
city
to
move
forward
and
lower
that
the
amount
of
trash
were
thrown
away.
B
You
know
we.
Obviously
we
have
to
keep
up
with
the
recycling,
but
if
we
continue
to
do
what
we're
doing
today,
not
make
the
changes
and
policies
necessary
to
move
the
needle
we're
going
to,
even
if
we
saw
a
97
increase
in
recycling
now
in
a
7
decrease
in
trash
like
we
did
13
years
ago
in
2035,
we're
only
going
to
have
a
30
diversion
rate.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
identified
and
talked
about.
B
There's
a
lot
of
jobs
that
can
be
created,
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
here
for
residents
of
our
city
and
it
all
starts
with
the
residents
putting
stuff
at
the
curb.
So
the
outreach
and
the
education
that's
necessary
for
all
these
programs
and
the
infrastructure
that's
necessary
to
help
guide
us.
It's
key
to
this
conversation,
so
I
look
forward
to
the
questions
today
from
the
council
and
again
I
appreciate
the
time
allowing
us
to
be
here
today.
Thank
you.
A
A
You
know
whole
new
systems
in
the
city
and
those
are
you
know
things
that
this
council
needs
to
concern
itself
with.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
laying
that
out
there,
and
I
also
think
that
it's
important
to
stress
that
in
you
know,
in
seeking
for
us
to
do
better
and
reach
those
phase
shifts
it's
not
a
criticism
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
so
far.
It's
simply
kind
of
recognizing
the
size,
the
scale
of
the
challenge
we
face
in
terms
of
dealing
with
waste
in
a
green
way.
A
I
wondered
if
so,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
set
a
little
timer
on
myself,
because
I
have
so
many
questions
that
I'm
just
gonna
start
with
the
compost
ones
and
then
and
I'll.
Let
others
go,
and
so
just
say
to
colleagues
that
we
will
do
a
few
rounds,
because
I
imagine
that
people
probably
have
a
couple
rounds
worth
of
questions
in
different
areas.
So
it
seems
to
me
when
we
talk
about
that,
like
you
know
the
weight
and
the
amount
of
trash
that
we're
dealing
with
and
how
to
really
get
it
down.
A
One
key
thing
is
composting
and
for
a
while,
you
know
the
city's
had
project
oscar,
where
you've
got
compost
bins
in
a
few
locations
around
the
city.
But
we've
talked
for
a
while
and
chased
the
mirage
of
of
curbside
contrast
composting
and
we
put
into
the
budget
a
number
of
times
and
it
hasn't
really
borne
fruit.
And
so
I
wondered
if
you
could
give
us
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
curbside
composting
pilot
of
the
city.
B
Yup,
thank
you
for
the
question
consular
for
curbside
composting.
We
issued
an
rfp
a
couple
of
months
ago.
We
got
a
couple
of
responses.
We
are
actually
in
the
final
process
now
of
finalizing
a
contract
for
curbside
composting
across
the
city
without
getting
into
too
much
detail.
It's
not
public
publicly
released
at
the
moment,
but
it
will
be
shortly,
which
is
very
exciting
for
all
of
us,
especially
the
council.
I'm
sure
that's
been
waiting
for
something
like
this
for
a
long
time.
B
Some
of
the
reasons
why
it
took
so
long.
If,
if
I
can
just
take
a
minute-
and
you
know,
covert,
didn't
help
things
and
I'm
not
going
to
blame
covert,
but
I
will
say
that
the
original
rfps
that
we
did
put
out
for
curbside,
where
it's
kind
of
you
know
a
subsidy
of
a
or
a
discounted
program
where
the
resident
would
have
to
pay
for
the
services.
B
So
you
know
in
looking
at
the
numbers
and
doing
all
these
different.
You
know
we're
doing
all
these
different
initiatives.
You
know
it.
If
we
want
the
participation
levels
to
increase
in
the
city,
we
want
people
to
be
happy
about,
participating
and
actually
take
pride
in
what
they're
doing
we
can't
put
you
know
expectations
on
the
resident
to
have
to
put
forward
you
know
a
certain
dollar
amount
per
month
or
charging
somebody
or
taking
something
away
because
they're
not
paying
you
know.
A
B
It's
going
to
be
a
city-wide
first-come,
first-served
rollout,
so
it's
it's
basically
going
to
be.
You
know
the
resident
will
have
to
sign
up
and
there
will
be
like
you
know,
we're
going
to
know
that
they're
interested
we're
going
to
know
that
they're
committed
to
doing
it,
we're
not
just
going
to
give
bins
out
to
every
household
as
you
can.
You
know,
you
know,
with
the
recycling,
there's
a
lot
of
contamination
and,
quite
frankly,
it's
expensive.
B
If
we
have
to
deal
with
that
with
the
food
waste,
it's
even
more
expensive.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
that
is
participating
is
someone
that
signed
up
and
is
willingly
going
about
this
program.
They
wanted
it.
So
it's
you
know
it's
going
to
be
an
opt-in
program.
Basically,
you
can
opt
in
sign
up
online.
B
B
A
And,
and
do
you
have
a
sense,
I'll,
ask
this
question
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
to
colleagues,
and
I
have
many
more
questions
come
back,
but
do
we
have
a
sense
of
what
what
will
happen
to
the
compost
we
collect
like?
What's
our
plan
for
treating
it?
Is
it
going
back
into
like
city
parks,
etc,
like
what's
the
what's
the
vision
for
the
next.
B
Yeah,
so
thanks,
the
vision
for
the
compost
is
to
continue
to
contribute
to
the
parks
and
community
gardens
until
you
know
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
material
now,
so
we're
going
to
actually
have
to
find
new
uses
for
this,
which
is
really
good
to
have.
You
know
other
stakeholders
in
the
game
that
want
to
really
you
know,
see
the
results
of
the
program
come
and
keep
it
in
the
city.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
be
hauling
stuff
out
outside
the
city
and
adding
to
those
costs.
B
A
So
you
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
piece
of
this
where
we
need
to
like
recruit
those
sites.
Yes,
okay,
yeah
got
it
okay,
I'm
gonna
go
to
colleagues
and
then
come
back
to
myself,
so
I'll
go
first
to
council
flaherty
and
then
to
councillor
braden
and
then
go
around
the
horn.
Oh-
and
I
just
want
to
know
also
that
we
were
joined
by
our
council
president
councillor
ed
flynn
from
district
two
council.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for,
for
hosting
and
for
us
or
co-sponsoring
waste
management,
recycling
and
compost
services,
our
bread
and
butter
issues
for
municipal
governments
and
our
ability
to
keep
our
neighborhoods
clean,
while
moving
forward
to
a
more
sustainable
way
that
you
know
we
manage
this
is
is
very
important
to
get
right.
I
also
want
to
recognize
our
former
colleague
matt
o'malley,
for
the
leadership
he's
put
in
the
space
frequently
reminding
us
that
implementing
more
environmentally
conscious
policies
and
practices.
D
Also,
it's
a
matter
of
good
finance
and
also
be
remiss
if
we
don't
recognize
our
colleague
city
council,
frank
baker,
who
also
has
led
issues
on
hearings
around
curbside
composting
as
well.
So
I'm
sure
he's
excited
to
hear
what
you
just
mentioned,
which
is
compost
will
be
here
for
approximately
ten
thousand
folks
in
2022.
So
that's
great
news:
how
much
do
we
currently
spend
on
trash
removal
and
how
much
do
we
spend
on
recycle
material
removal.
B
D
B
So
to
answer
the
question
on
the
replacements
we've:
actually
this
is
a
third
year
now
the
contract
is
going
to
be
up
in
in
june,
the
public's
works
department
back
in
2018,
maybe
2019
created
a
contract
for
cot
delivery
replacements
for
minority-owned
businesses
only
to
bid
on
and
it
was.
We
had
two
bidders
that
came
to
us
with.
You
know
a
great
proposal
we
actually
hired
both
of
them.
B
So
there's
two
minority
companies
from
the
city
of
boston
residents
that
are
delivering
broken,
they're,
delivering
new
bins,
swapping
them
out
swapping
out
the
broken
ones.
So
it's
actually
been
a
great
program
took
it
away
from
the
bigger
contract,
which
was
the
goal,
take
something
away
from
the
big
one
and
kind
of
create
these
smaller
contracts.
So
that's
something
we're
looking
at
continuing
to
do
to
get
all
those
broken
ones.
Like
you
said
from
2008
2009
get
those
off
the
street
get
somebody.
B
D
B
You
can
call
just
call
311
301,
we'll
create
a
case
for
you
or
they'll
transfer
you
to
waste
reduction
to
the
operations
center
and
we'll
we'll
put
you
on
the
list
to
get
swapped
out.
When
we
took
on
these
contractors,
we
had
a
backlog
of
almost
a
thousand
cases
within
a
matter
of
months.
Everything
was
caught
up.
So
if
you
called
for
a
cod
today,
chances
are
within
a
week,
maybe
10
days,
you'll
have
a
brand
new
one.
D
You
know,
and
then
and
then
obviously,
with
the
population
increase
for
our
city-
that
in
turn,
I
assume
increased
our
trash
demand.
If
you
will
indoor
recycling
demand,
as
well
as
the
construction
boom
in
recit
and
the
remodeling
boom,
I
guess
how
we
handling
sort
of
the
construction
material
side
of
the
house.
B
So,
construction
material-
we
don't
collect
curbside,
so
that's
still
part
of
the
band
material
that
has
to
get
collected
separately.
So
you
get
roll-off
trucks,
you
get
a
permit.
You
get
your
own
private
hauler,
we'll
pick
up
all
your
curbside
household
trash
with
the
increase
in
population
and
the
construction
we
are
seeing.
Like
I
mentioned
in
the
beginning
that
you
know,
even
though
we're
recycling
97
more,
you
know,
the
trash
number
is
still
high.
So
it's
you
know
we're
not
cutting
into
that
recycling
rate.
We're
really
just
kind
of
leveling
things
off.
B
Maybe
it
doesn't
start
with
public
works,
but
somewhere
along
the
lines
with
you
know,
when
you're
building
a
new
building,
they
have
to
keep
the
trash
recycling
in
mind.
What's
going
to
happen
at
the
end
of
this,
because
the
developer
is
going
to
walk
away
right,
you
know
the
resident's
going
to
be
stuck.
The
management
is
going
to
be
stuck
with
us
with
a
system
with
a
trash
chute,
that's
elaborate
that
costs
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
doesn't
work
and
it's
highly
difficult
to
maintain
so
and
then.
D
B
B
So
that's
the
first
one
and
the
the
messaging.
We
have
new
staff
that
I
that
we're
really
trying
to
build
our
team
out.
So
we
got
to
outreach
like
a
campaign
getting
ready
to
go
out.
We
have
a
zero
waste
program
manager,
teresa
severs
and
andreas
cavo
working
on
the
the
communications,
and
you
know
we're
really.
That's
that's
on
our
radar.
You
know
we
want
residents
to
do
things
as
a
city.
You
know
every
department
needs
somebody
to
do
something,
but
we
need
to
get
the
information
out
so
and
the
hazardous.
B
We
kept
going,
we
had,
we
had
safety
protocols
in
place.
We
had
some
events.
We
had
over
a
thousand
people
show
up
wow.
So
as
we
get
further
into
this
discussion
today,
we
have
plans
to
kind
of
shift.
How
we
do
things
to
try
to.
You
know,
increase
participation,
but
take
away
from
that.
You
know
that
burdensome
line
that
your
residents
are
sitting
in,
because
that's
not
a
healthy
event.
When
you
have
someone
that
complains,
because
a
thousand
people
showed
up,
but
it
should
be
a
success.
B
A
E
You
mentioned
new
buildings
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
new
buildings
in
in
my
district,
and
we
do
have
these
conversations
about
waste
disposal
and
and
drop-off
spots
for
amazon
packages,
and
all
do
you
see?
Are
you
seeing
an
a
large
increase
in
that
type
of
waste
like
the
the
packaging
for
amazon
or
those,
and
and
how
are,
how
are
we
communicating
to
developers
like?
Are
you
working
with
the
bpda
to
try
and
flag
this
up
as
we
need?
B
As
far
as
bpda
now,
that's
where
maybe
we
can
work
together
on
something
for
the
construction
part
of
things,
the
collection
you
know
once
a
building's
up.
You
know
our
service
is
curbside.
You
have
to
have
it
out
by
6
a.m.
If
that
doesn't
work
for
the
building,
they
have
all
the
right
that
they
want
to
go
private,
go
right
ahead
and
it
doesn't
come
into
our
numbers.
You
know
when
I
pay
for
their
trash
they're,
paying
privately
a
lot
of
the
newer
buildings
that
don't
have
great
access
for
trash
containers.
B
They
will
go
private
because
it's
just
easier
for
them
to
have
a
vendor
go
in
the
building,
pull
it
out
for
them
or
just
they
can
put
it
out
whatever
time
they
want.
You
know
what
I
mean:
it's
more
of
a
a
la
carte
service,
what
you're
paying
for
and
where
you
say
put
it
at
the
curb,
we'll
get
it
so
you
know
it's
it's
something
that
some
of
these
buildings
a
lot
of
the
buildings
in
council,
flaherty's
district
on
the
seaport
area,
will
not
get
city
pickup
because
it
doesn't
really
suit
their
needs.
B
B
As
far
as
the
amazon,
packaging
and
stuff
there's
been
quite
an
uptick,
we've
been
starting
to
see
things
come
down
a
little
bit,
but
during
the
first
few
months
at
covid,
the
you
know
the
trash
was
up
over
23
city-wide.
The
recycling
was
up
just
about
the
same.
That
comes
at
a
heavy
cost,
and
you
know
the
the
districts
were
getting
picked
up.
You
know
you
may
have
gotten
calls
that
trucks
were
coming
in
late
or
you
know
they
weren't
getting
off
the
street
and
stuff
like
that.
E
And
then
I
was
at
the
farmers
market
the
other
morning,
and
I
saw
this
program
that
people
can
bring
trash
to
their
food
waste
to
the
farmers
market.
How
is
that
going
and
is
it
is
that's
like
a
pilot
scheme,
or
is
that
something
that's
yeah
we're
pushing
it,
but
and
people
are
turning
up
with
their
stuff.
You
know.
B
Yeah,
that's
great,
I'm
glad
to
hear
it
yeah
so
part
of
on
one
of
our
new
initiatives.
Is
the
farmers
market
food
waste
drop-off
program,
so
we
are
partnering
with
the
farmers
markets.
The
first
one
and
the
only
one
at
the
moment
is
in
brighton,
so
we're
looking
to
we're
working
with
all
of
the
partners
in
the
city
that
operate
the
farmers
markets
on
just
even
have
in
the
farmers
market.
B
You
know
food
waste
been
that
people
can
see
and
ask
questions
and
know
that
you
know
it's
going
to
be
part
of
this
whole
outreach
campaign
that
we're
working
on
so
with
the
help
of
teresa
and
andreas
great
work
I'll
give
them
kudos.
You
know
it's
really
a
good
idea,
because
you
know
the
the
farmers
and
the
people
that
work
there,
people
that
go
there
they're
telling
people
about
this
yeah.
So
it's
you
know.
You
just
told
all
the
people
in
the
room
about
this
program
and
you
know
it's.
B
They
might
be
interested
and
tell
someone
else
and
that's
how
it
works.
You
know,
and
it
didn't
cost
the
city
any
money
to
do
the
advertising,
but
we're
working
with
the
farmers
we're
getting
some
metrics
back
from
them
on
a
weekly
basis
to
see
you
know,
is
it
and
it
has
been
thus
far
for
the
first
round
and
they
actually
take
the
food
waste
back
with
them
to
their
farm,
so
we're
working
on
ways
to
help.
B
You
know
tell
that
story,
whether
it's
a
digital
storytelling
or
a
video
or
some
sort
of
blog
or
you
know
just
show
people
that
you
know
from
curb
to
farm
and
then
back
to
the
kerber
back
to
the
the
garden
or
something
you
know
I
mean
so
just
you
know,
there's
there's
more
to
people's
waste
than
just
you
know
what
they
see
at
the
curb
that
just
it's.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
to
talk
about.
F
B
F
B
Roughly
well
to
be
a
little
less
this
year.
So,
as
you
know,
in
the
past
we've
talked
recycle
costs
and
you
know
the
market
was
flipped
upside
down
yeah
in
2018
and
it
started
to
rebound.
Last
month
we
were
paying
65
bucks,
a
ton
for
recycling
and
we're
paying
about
97.98
for
trash.
So
it's
less
than
trash
still.
F
B
F
F
Yeah,
so
so
my
question
would
be
if
we're
going
to
collect
that
curbside
and
we're
have
we
have
we
come
up
with
how
we're
doing
that?
What's
the
infrastructure,
doing
that,
like
I've,
I've
been
advocating
for
a
night
for
an
organics
digester
built
here.
Some
of
our
own
would
be
our
infrastructure,
because
if
we
had
the
cost
of
tipping
trash,
recycling
isn't
going
to
ever
come
down.
B
There's
two
different
models,
so
it
could
go
to
a
farm
where
it
could
where
there
would
be
pr
like
putting
windrows
with
the
odd
waste
and
made
into
new
new
material
and
yeah
there's
the
core
over
in
charlestown,
which
is
a
you
know.
It
creates
a
slurry,
that's
that
gets
fed
to
the
digest,
so
it
burns.
F
B
F
B
A
privately
owned
company,
but
as
far
as
the
trash
goes
like
by
doing
the
curbside
compost
and
we're
certainly
going
to
take
away
from
the
some
of
the
trash
yeah,
but
we're
really
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
be
eliminating
a
cost.
You
know
we're
probably
going
to
be
adding
to
a
cost,
because
now
you
have
a
new
service,
you
have
a
new
new
vendor.
You
have
a
new
tip
fee.
You
know
what
I
mean
so.
F
F
Can
your
department,
maybe
maybe
funded
in
a
in
a
feasibility
study
through
the
city
council
here?
What
would
it
be
like
to
get
back
some
of
our
our
infrastructure
for
the
city,
because
whether
it
was
the
60s
or
the
70s?
We
got
rid
of
all
that
trash
trucks
that
all
becomes
that
all
becomes
contracts,
and
I
think,
if
we're
at
a
point
where
we
can
build
something
out,
that
can
be
city
infrastructure.
F
So
then
we
we
aren't
at
the
mercy
of
the
market
in
five
years,
10
years
15
years
and
we're
also
building
and
growing
jobs.
That
would
be
good
jobs
that
would
sustain
families
into
the
future.
So
maybe
my
question
is:
how
do
we
get
talks
around?
What
are
we
doing
for
real
infrastructure?
Because
if
that's
something
we're
building
out,
what
are
we
doing
towards
the
future?
It's
not
just
going
to
be
just
contracts
because
these
contracts.
F
F
B
The
planning
phase
would
be
followed
up
with
a
construction
plan
and
then
an
operating
plan,
so
we
do
have
plans
in
the
works
on
having
someone
come
in
and
do
all
like
the
research
with
the
state
permitting
site
assignments,
all
that
kind
of
stuff
to
see
what
we're
getting
involved
with
and
obviously
you
know
we
see
the
writing
on
the
wall
with
the
with
the
markets.
You
know
we
see
what
exactly
we
are
saying
and
to
that
point
we
need
to
act.
B
So
this
is
why
these
other
programs
are
really
important,
but
you
know
this
right
now
we
have
place
to
bring
the
trash-
it's
not
anywhere
near
here,
but
we
we
get
it
there
there's
going
to
be
a
day
where
there's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
capacity.
So
we
need
to
find
these
other
programs
that
are
going
to
help
us.
You
know,
but
do.
F
I
still
have
a
minute
yep,
madam
chair
and
along
those
lines,
I
know
when
we
when
we
went
to
single
stream.
Everybody
was
excited
about
it,
but
it
seems
like
that
might
be
part
of
our
problem
now.
Is
it
almost
time
to
get
back
to
to
go
back
to
what
liz
was
saying,
just
cardboard,
just
glass,
just
metals:
do
we
have
to
go
back
to
that
because
people
aren't
or
people
or
countries
aren't
buying
our
recycling
anymore
from
what
I've
been
told
from
what
I've
heard
is
that
true.
B
That
is
true,
but
what
I
would
say
to
that
is
that's
a
good
reason
to
get
some
domestic
markets
back
online
yeah.
You
know
if,
if
the
foreign
markets
aren't
doing
well,
there's
no
reason
why
the
the
infrastructure
cannot
exist
on
the
east
coast
or
somewhere
in
the
states.
You
know
we're
at
the
beck
and
call
these
billionaire
companies
that
are
overseas
kind
of
dictating
things
when
we
can
have
a
say
in
how
things
go,
yeah,
so
even
more
of
a
proponent.
Why.
B
F
B
So
we
don't
get
charged
for
the
contaminated
loads
with
our
contract,
but
that's
likely
to
change
in
the
future,
but
the
you
know
the
facilities
that
sort
this
stuff
out.
You
know
they're,
really
pretty
elaborate
systems
that
are
continuing
to
you
know,
get
retrofitted
for
different
types
of
materials
and
just
new
ways
to
doing
things.
B
So
I
mean
once
we
dump
it
on
the
ground,
it's
up
to
them,
to
sort
it
and
it's
worth
it
for
them
to
get
all
of
the
material
together
and
the
you
know,
all
the
bottles,
all
everything
separated
out
yeah
because
there's
a
value
to
it.
So
it's
worth
it
for
them
to
do
that.
It's
just!
How
do
we
get
that?
You
know
how
do
they
get
it
really
yeah
sorted
out
quicker.
F
Oh
and
just
keep
us
up
to
speed
through
the
chair
on
that
rfp.
So
we
can
advocate
for
or
you
know,
help
to
locate
those
sorts
of
things,
because
if
it's
done
on
city
land,
city
resources,
I
think
we
need
to
own
it
and
I
think
we
should
be
operating.
I
don't
think
we
should
be
going
out
to
a
contract,
but
that's
just
my
sense.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thanks.
F
I
Murphy,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
holding
this
hearing
and
also
I
was
fortunate
to
speak
with
your
office
a
couple
months
ago.
It
was
the
first
cd
department
I
met
with,
as
I
was
going
around
introducing
myself
and
at
that
meeting
I
shared
my
own
personal
experience.
I
live
on
a
street
with
several
apartment
buildings,
and
there
is
always
that
concern
the
night
before,
where
they
put
out
like
a
pile
of
white
trash
bag
trash
and
that
always
causes
health
and
rodent
issues,
so
something
we
talked
about
that
day.
I
To
me,
I'm
old
enough
to
remember
and
my
mom's
backyard
still
has
where
you
would
step
down
and
you
would
put
the
garbage
in
the
ground
and
lift
up.
I
don't
know
you're
old
enough
to
remember
that
way.
You'd
separate
after
dinner
and
you'd
take
out
the
garbage
to
put
out
the
trash
would
go
into
the
barrel,
but
you
would
bring
the
garbage
outside.
So
composting
is
wonderful
that
that's
something
up
and
coming.
So
thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
brian
for
for
coming
and
sharing.
I
am
a
and
sharing
with
us
the
work
that
you're
doing
I'm
a
newly
elected
city
councilor,
and
it
is
always
amazing
to
me
to
hear
all
the
intricacies
about
how
our
our
city
processes
function
and
this
amazing
level
of
work
that
you're
doing
so.
Thank
you.
J
We
hear
it
a
lot
from
the
unions
we're
going
to
be
building
the
buildings.
We
hear
it
a
lot,
you
know,
and
so
this
is
interesting
for
me.
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
I'm
excited
about
the
composting
program.
My
question
around
the
the
composting
is:
is
there
any
opportunity
to
make
the
the
10
000
right?
We
have
10
000
slots
to
make
to
basically
make
decisions
about
instead
of
having
it
first
come
for
serve?
Is
there
still
any
opportunity
to
think
about?
J
You
know
the
neighborhoods,
where
we
get
the
most
trash
from
or
the
neighborhoods
with
the
highest
needs.
I
don't
want
to
lose
an
opportunity,
because
I
think
that
particularly
around
composting
there's
a
lot
of
education
that
needs
to
happen,
so
I
don't
want
to
kind
of
skew
it
in
one
way
where
we
are
like.
B
We
want
everybody
to
compost,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
the
person
that
doesn't
know
anything
about
compost
is
the
person
that
we
want
the
most
right
we
want
to
get
into
the
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
educate
people,
we
want
to
be
the
people
that
you
know
we're
getting
results
based
off
the
outreach
that
we're
working
on
and
knowing
that
it's
working
getting
into
the
communities
on
a
one-on-one
basis,
getting
back
to
civic
meetings
getting
going
on
coffee
hours
and
open
houses.
B
You
know
talking
to
the
residents
right,
so
we
do
have
a
plan
actually
to
work
work
with
ej
communities
on
you
know
I
say:
first
come
first
serve,
but
it's
you
know
we're
going
to
spend
some
time
on.
How
do
we
really
get
into
those
specific
neighborhoods
you're
talking
about
and
we're
coming
up
with
a
way
to
do
that
now,
so
that
we're
ready
by
july
august
to
be
to
start
so
you'll
be
hearing
from
us
relatively
soon
and
it's
exciting
time
for
public
works?
B
J
J
You
said
you
know
if
we
stay,
if
we
don't
implement
these
policies
right
and
if
we
keep
going
in
the
way
that
we're
going
we're
going
to
be
we're
going
to
see
a
problem
and
so
what
policies
would
meet
these
needs.
You
know
just
this.
I
know
this
is
kind
of
zooming
out
a
little
bit
more
but,
as
you
know,
as
the
chair
of
the
environmental
justice
committee,
I'm
excited
about,
you
know
finding
parks
and
community
gardens
who
will
use
the
compost
and
so
what?
How
can
we
be
helpful?
B
Thank
you
for
the
question,
but
to
be
honest
and
to
keep
things
pretty
broad
as
far
as
what
we're
looking
for
you
know,
there
needs
to
be
a
way
to
limit
what
we're
doing
on
the
street.
I
think
we
need
you
know.
We
need
just
need
to
work
on
some
regulations.
We
need
to
work
on
some
policies
when
it
comes
to
big
buildings,
apartment
buildings.
You
know,
I'm
a
believer
that
you
know.
B
B
So
as
far
as
the
council
is
concerned,
you
know
I
I.
I
would
hope
that
some
of
you
would
agree
with
me
when
I
say
that-
and
you
know
these
businesses
are
overseas
or
wherever
they
are,
but
the
you
know
the
residents
aren't
being
taken
care
of
well,
but
the
trash
is
being
put
out
with
the
regular
trash
that
goes
with
your
single
family,
a
three
family
or
whatever
it
is
under
six
units.
You
know
it's,
it's
all
part
of
the
same
trash
problem
that
we
have
as
far
as
picking
it
up.
B
The
discussion
can
go
a
lot
of
different
ways,
but
I
think
you
know
the
larger
buildings,
especially
in
council,
flynn's
district
downtown
crossing.
You
know
we
pick
up
buildings
with
four
or
500
units
twice
a
week
or
once
a
week
depending
on
where
they
are.
You
know
this
just
needs
to
be
a
just
to
have
it
looked
at
anyways.
You
know.
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful.
B
We
have
a
big
building
recycling
ordinance,
so
anybody
over
six,
seven
or
seven
or
more
apartments
has
to
recycle
by
ordinance,
but
they'll
put
out
one
recycle
bin
and
they'll
be
compliant
because
they
recycle,
but
that's
not
that's,
not
driving
moving
the
needle
at
all.
You
know
that's
creating
a
burden
for
us
where
we
have
to
continue
continue
to
go
there
and
pick
up
trash
off
the
ground
and
one
recycle
bin
later
on.
It's
not
helpful,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
could
be
done
in
addition
to
that.
J
J
Yeah,
no,
I
I
live
in
one
of
those
buildings
that
has
200
units
in
it
in
in
my
district,
and
so
I
I
want
to
say
that
the
inconvenience
is
also
passed
on
to
the
people
who
live
there,
there's
always
a
problem
with
getting
the
trash
and
the
recycling,
whether
it's
a
shoot
or
getting
it
out,
and
all
that.
So
let
me
see
if
I
have
a
another
question.
J
That's
coming
in
that's
kind
of
like
because
of
covid
like
a
one-time
influx,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
opportunity
that
we
don't
want
to
miss
there
to
build
this
infrastructure
internally
build
green
union
jobs
for
the
people
here,
particularly
as
we're
kind
of
recovering
from
the
economic
hit
from
covid,
and
so
I
would
love
to
be
involved
in
that
process.
However,
closely
works
for,
for
you
and
your
office
great.
A
K
Thank
you,
councillor,
bark,
and
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
for
calling
this
hearing
order,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
council
of
flaherty
and
council
bark
and
braden
that
have
done
tremendous
work
on
this
on
this
issue.
In
the
past,
I've
worked
closely
with
them
on
trash
pickup
on
on
pest
control
related
issues.
K
Just
last
friday
I
was
with
brian
and
some
city,
officials
and
south
end
residents
in
the
in
the
south
end.
I
guess
it
was
friday
morning
talking
to
residents
about
this
subject
about
trash
pickup
in
the
south
end
in
pest
control,
a
huge
issue
in
the
city.
That's
only
that's
only
getting
worse,
so
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
brian
and
the
public
works
team
for
for
what
they're
doing
and
for
my
colleagues
for
their
their
important
work
too.
K
K
It
might
be
different
from
the
fenway
area.
The
south
end
is
struggling
right
now,
as
you
know,
with
with
trash
pickup,
with
pest
control
with
rodent,
rodent
situation,
but
a
lot
of
the
homes,
don't
have
the
physical
physical
opportunity
to
store
barrels
and
there's
no
place
to
store
them
in
the
in
the
yard,
so
public
education
awareness
campaign
is
critical
and
what
what
also
is
critical
is
educating
our
immigrant
neighbors
as
well
about
the
important
role
of
trash
pickup
and
it
takes
it
takes
time.
K
But
we
need
to
engage
everybody
about
educating
people
about
how
you
physically
take
out
your
trash,
how
you
physically,
recycle
and
then
going
into
composting.
It's
not
as
simple
as
just
saying
take
your
trash
out.
So
I
think
we
can
do
a
better
job
on
public
awareness
campaign.
Public
edu
education
campaign,
including
this
body,
including
me
also,
I
can
do
a
better
job
of
educating
the
public
as
as
we
go
forward
during
this
budget
process.
K
K
So
I
guess
I
guess
I
should
ask
a
question.
I
don't
mean
to
dominate
the
conversation,
but
what?
What,
when
you
bring
this
new
new
plan
forward?
How
are
you
going
to
ensure
residents
know
about
about
it?
What
public
education
are
you
going
to
provide?
That's
going
to
be
different
from
the
past,
so
we're
actually
going
to
reach
people
that
that
need
to
know
about
the
program.
B
You
know
we're
adding
staff
staff
that
can
actually
reach
out
to
people
and
meet
with
people,
and
it's
not
you
know,
asking
me
or
my
assistant
to
go
to
meetings
and
and
help
spread
the
word
you
know
we're
actually
going
to
dedicate
staff
for
that
we're
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
all
of
the
councils.
Liaisons-
and
you
know,
ons
members-
really
putting
a
lot
of
extra
effort
into
this,
because
we
know
how
critical
it
is.
B
You
mentioned
immigrant
communities,
you
know
we
actually
have
for
next
year's
budget,
something
along
the
lines
of
what
you're
asking
for
already
in
there.
So
when
you
guys
are
looking
at
the
budget
thinking
about
you
know
how
to
educate
members
of
the
community
who
don't
understand
english,
and
how
do
you
just
expect
them
to
know
what
to
do?
We
don't?
We
want
them
to
know
how
to
do
things
the
right
way,
but
we
also
know
that
it's
going
to
take
some
time
and
some
education
so
that
they
know
we're
behind
them,
teach
them.
B
We
don't
just
hand
them
a
pamphlet
and
say
good
luck.
You
know,
and
that's
kind
of
why
we
want
the
curbside
program
to
be
more
of
an
opt-in
program,
so
we
already
have
that
buy-in
from
the
resident
and
we're
not
just
saying
good
luck
with
it
and
then
walking
away
as
a
city.
You
know
we
we
have
to
be
with
them
the
whole
time,
so
the
education
piece
is
really
important
to
me
and
my
in
my
team.
B
So
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question,
but
we
we
do
have
plans
to
really
amplify
what
we're
doing
and
more
than
just
the
print
media
or
our
social
media.
You're
going
to
be
seeing
a
lot
of
the
public
works
department.
You'll
be
hearing
a
lot,
a
lot
about
zero
waste
in
the
city
of
boston.
You
know,
people
don't
even
know
what
it
means
yet,
and
you
know
that's
our
goal
to
get
everybody
to
know
what
it
means.
So,
looking
forward
to
it.
K
Thank
you,
brian
and
one
follow-up
question,
so
so
I'm
still
struggling
with
with
what's
happening
in
the
south
end
where
residents
are
having
a
tough
time,
putting
their
trash
out,
putting
their
recycling
out
at
certain
times
and
then
and
then
you
know
being
impacted
by
the
rodent,
rodent
related
issues.
So
we
still
haven't
figured
that
aspect
out
yet
and,
as
I
mentioned
the
south
end,
a
lot
of
the
residents
can't
put
their
barrels
in
the
yard
or
in
the
in
the
alleyway
and
then
we're
going
to
add
another
composting
to
it.
K
So
I
want
us
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
clear
to
residents
on
exactly
what
their
role
is
during
this
process,
because
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
as
I
mentioned,
putting
you
putting
your
trash
out.
We
were.
We
were
trying
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
on
pest
control.
That's
going
to
be
the
first
hearing.
I'm
going
to
call
this
year
is
again
calling
on
more
resources
and
funding
for
pest
control
for
the
city
of
boston.
K
That's
going
to
be
my
first
public
hearing,
but
I
still
think
we
need
more
work
on
educating
residents
on
basic
trash,
takeout
and
recycling
and
providing
them
with
resources
to
do
it.
So
that's
a
priority
for
me
and
then
and
then
and
then.
Lastly,
I
also
agree
with
council
baker
council
lara,
but
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
keep
a
lot
of
this
in-house.
K
K
B
That
you
know
that
the
every
district
is
different
and-
and
we
acknowledge
that
and
we
work
with
the
districts
on
you-
know
the
ways
that
are
going
to
help
them
get
their
problems
resolved
so
and
looking
forward
to
that
challenge
that
we
have
in
the
south
end
and
working
to
resolve
that
with
you
going
forward.
Yeah.
K
And
in
my
final
comment
in
district
councillors
know
their
district
probably
better
than
anyone.
So
when
you
have
that
public
education
awareness
campaign
campaign,
please
include
district
councillors
in
that
discussion
at
the
very
very
beginning,
so
that
they're
on
board,
they
can
give
you
exactly
what
needs
to
be
done
and
what
not
needs
to
be
done
to
be
effective.
So
I
encourage
you
to
make
sure
district
councils
are
involved
at
the
very
beginning
and
not
not
at
the
middle
of
the
process.
A
Thank
you
so
much
president
flynn,
I'm
I
have
some
quick
second
round
questions
and
I
will
run
around
to
second
round.
So
if
folks
have
those
just-
and
you
were
just
speaking
about
the
language
access
point,
I
think
that
is
going
to
be
important,
especially
in
a
you
know.
We
found
with
a
city
with
some
of
our
first
come.
First
serve
programs
in
covid.
A
It's
important
that
kind
of
like
before
before
sign
ups
are
live
that,
like
that,
like
information
is
available
in
all
languages,
we've
thought
about
how
we're
pushing
it
out,
or
else
we
can
end
up
in
a
situation
where
we're
still
translating
documents,
and
meanwhile,
like
english,
language
and
savvy
folks,
are
signing
up
for
something.
First,.
B
A
Great
and
and
just
circling
back
a
little
bit
on
the
the
question
about
where
the
compost
goes.
So
it's
the
second
thing.
So
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
so.
There's
there's
a
use
of
the
compost
where
we
put
it
back
into
parks,
gardens,
maybe
our
schools
etc,
and
then
there's
like
do
we
currently
do
or
do
with
project
oscar
or
are
we
considering
like
a
biofuel
type
like
I'm,
trying
to
understand.
B
Yeah
so
project
oscar
is
currently
collected
by
black
earth
compost
they're
out
of
the
north
shore
ipswich,
I
believe
so
they
collect
and
bring
back
to
their
farm
everything
that
they
can
and
that's
composted,
naturally
with
the
windrows
that
they
have
when
they
come
across
a
lot
of
contamination
which
does
happen
in
project
oscar
because
it's
not
really
monitored,
then
they'll
bring
that
to
charlestown
where
it
can
actually
de-package
any
of
the
contamination.
That's
in
it.
B
It's
producing
a
slurry,
that's
it's
an
engineered,
bio,
solid!
That's
brought
its
tanks
currently
up
to
the
great
alliance
treatment
plant
in
in
lawrence
for
the
water
treatment
and
it's
it's
used
there
to
basically
add
add
the
gases
to
the
material
and
making
fertilizer
at
the
end.
Okay.
So
it's
not
a
standard
use
of
the
compost,
it's
it
you
might
have.
You
know
you
know
you
might
have
folks
talk
about
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
material.
B
As
far
as
disposal
goes.
You
know
the
infrastructure
is
not
there
to
support
everything
100.
So
we
can't
say
that
we
want
this,
but
you
have
to
do
this
with
it
when
that
doesn't
exist
same
thing
with
mattresses,
the
state's
banning
mattresses
this
year.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
right?
What
are
we
going
to
do?
Where
are
we
going
to
bring
them?
B
B
You
know
otherwise
we're
going
to
be
paying
40,
50
bucks,
a
mattress
to
send
out
of
state
to
get
recycled
and
that
that's
coming
down
from
you
know,
dep
in
november
we're
already
working
on
putting
out
rfis
and
rfps
and
our
fqs
and
everything
else.
We
want
to
know
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
do
it
at
the
expense
of
you
know.
B
A
third
party
billion
dollar
corporation,
that
wants
to
say
yeah,
we'll
take
them,
for
you
know:
60
bucks,
each
yeah,
so
you
know
we
have
to
really
think
this
through,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
these
materials,
especially
magic,
mattresses
and
textiles.
Those
are
the
two
biggest
things
the
next
two
things
to
go
on
that
same
list
as
construction
material
tires
propane.
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
it's
really
interesting
to
think
about,
and
I'm
strongly
and
as
councillor
laura
alluded
to
have
talked
about
it
with
both
counselor,
laura
and
baker.
I
think
that
there
are
definitely
opportunities
for
city
jobs
here
and
for
city
facilities.
I
also
think
it's
worth
contemplating
the
fact
that
you
know
it's
a
little
known
fact
that
part
of
the
part
of
the
reason
for
the
wave
of
annexation,
of
like
neighboring
towns
into
larger
cities
100
years
ago,
was
the
fact
that
the
larger
cities
figured
out
sewage
treatment
plants
right
and
everybody
was
like.
B
A
A
B
B
A
B
B
I
would
believe
so
yeah,
okay,
it's
not
a
public
works.
We
don't
service
bps
for
trash,
they
have
their
own
contract
and
thinking
back
to
council
lara's
question
about
what
what
regulations
could
change
and
stuff.
You
know
a
lot
of
city
agencies
are
on
not
getting
picked
up
because
we
picked
them
up.
B
I
don't
know
if
they've
been
grandfathered
in
or
historically
just
been
public
works
will
do
it.
I
think
it's
worth
another
conversation
at
some
point
during
the
budget
season.
Possibly
of
you
know
how
we
make
the
residential
program
more
efficient,
but
also
hold
everybody
else
accountable
for
the
waste
that
they're
generating.
You
know
my
budget,
my
team's
budget
division
budget
includes
a
lot
of
things
that,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
should
be
on
its
own,
and
you
know,
divisions
within
the
city
that
have
their
own
budgets
that
don't
think
about
trash.
B
So,
in
order
to
get
the
people
that
we
want
to
follow
the
zero
waste
plan,
as
it's
laid
out
in
2019,
we
have
to
lead
by
example,
and
that's
one
of
the
guidelines
in
the
book
and
the
in
the
plan
itself
is
to
lead
by
example.
So
we
need
to
get
our
ducks
in
a
row
and
really
identify
you
know
the
shifts
that
we
can
make
changes
easier
things
and
get
people
thinking
trash
and
waste
reduction
as
a
whole,
but
I
think
you
know
bringing
it
to
the
budget.
Conversations
will
be.
A
Right,
what
gets
measured
gets
managed?
Can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
as
my
my
last
and
then
I'll
go
to
colleagues
e-waste?
So
I
know
we've
got
this
hazardous
materials
pick
up,
but
the
thing
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
is
just
you
know:
people
people
have
batteries,
people
have
wires,
people
have
you
know
and
and
sort
of
it's
a
it's.
A
huge
amount
of
our
consumer
goods
have
some
electronic
component.
That's
only
becoming
more
true
as
we
get
like.
A
You
know,
the
smart
objects
in
the
home
and
I
think
people
don't
really
know
what
to
do
with
those.
I
don't
think
it's
really
plausible
that
everyone's
gonna,
like
know
about
five
days,
to
bring
them
somewhere.
I
also
think
you
know
at
a
kind
of
zoom
out
level.
We
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
rare
earth
metals
that
are
causing
quite
a
lot
of
environmental
degradation
like
around
the
world
that
are
going
into
these
things.
A
B
B
So
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that's
driving
the
traffic
is
the
folks
that
are
dedicated
to
get
their
e-waste
recycled
and
they
wait
in
line
with
one
or
two
items
you
know.
So
we
know
that
the
demand
is
there.
People
are
passionate
about
it.
We're
working
on
a
pop-up
event
this
year
before
the
first
hazardous
waste
event,
so
it'll
be
electronics
only
and
we
think
that
we'll
have
quite
a
demand
there.
That
might
help
us
out
for
the
hazardous
events.
B
B
So
if
we
could
have
a
charm
in
the
city
and
then
maybe
multiple
recycling
hubs
where
a
couple
of
items
can
be
brought,
you
know
it'll
increase
the
opportunities
for
all
the
residents
to
have
access
to
somewhere
to
go.
It
may
be
open,
24,
7
or
it
might
be
a
you
know,
a
stationed
place,
we're
not
sure
if
it's
locked
up
yet
what
it
looks
like,
but
essentially
having
you
know,
options
for
residents
far
beyond
five
days
a
year
and
that's
critical
if
we
want
people
to
participate
and
actually
have
these
things
recycled.
B
Yeah,
we
definitely
don't
want
people
to
come
to
hazardous
waste
and
then
email
you
saying
they
had
a
terrible
time
sitting
in
line
for
three
hours.
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
they
were
behind
all
the
people
with
the
e-waste
yeah.
You
know
so,
for
the
e-waste
has
a
place
right,
but
essentially
everything
should
have
a
place.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
I
think,
as
you
get
into
the
discussions
of
other
cities
talking
about
you
know
drop-off,
centers
and
stuff,
like
that.
B
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
where
we're
trying
to
line
up
with
some
of
that
work
and
and
make
it
so
that
residents
aren't
burdened
by
the
programs
that
we
have
if
we
want
them
to
participate,
but
then
ask
them
to
go
sit
in
line
for
three
hours.
You
know
it's
kind
of,
I
think
that's
counterproductive.
On
our
end,
so
just
trying
to
streamline
things
a
little
bit
better
for
everybody
will
be
helpful.
Yeah.
A
A
B
So
all
of
our
trash
goes
to
either
an
incinerator
or
transfer
station.
That
will
then
go
to
an
incinerator,
so
nothing's
going
to
landfill
more
so
for
the
recycling.
I
think
your
question
is,
is
you
know
we
bring
the
recycling
how
much
of
it
is
actually
recycled
because
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
stories
going
on
on
the
news
and
everything
about
you
know
nine
percent
of
it's
recyclable.
B
Basically,
when
we
dump
it
there,
they
have
to
bail
and
process
it.
Then
it
becomes
mixed
with
other
communities.
It
becomes
mixed
with
commercial
recycling
cardboard
and
you
know
stuff
like
that.
So
we
don't
have
an
exact
amount.
They've
said
anywhere
from
12
to
15
percent
is
residuals
which
would
be
trash,
so
the
rest
of
it
would
be
getting
you
know
being
billed
and
sent
for
you
know
what
what
should
be
proper
recycling
so.
A
And
yeah,
I
always
just
think
that's
I
mean
obviously,
ultimately,
as
we
try
to
track
our
carbon
budget
and
the
impact
on
the
city.
You
know
on
our
goals,
we're
going
to
have
to
reckon
with
what's
happening
in
the
industry
at
the
end,
with
all
of
it
actual
last
question
and
very
much
back
in
the
district
tactile
stuff,
counselor
flynn
referenced
timing.
Obviously,
just
before
I
joined
the
council,
there
was
a
change
in
the
contract
that
started
trash
at
6
a.m,
which
was
frustration
for
a
number
of
the
neighborhoods.
A
Like
that's
a
more
difficult
ask,
and
so
you
see
more
trash
out
in
the
evening
and
then
more
of
the
predictable
rodent
problems,
and
then
you
know,
I
think
then
people
people
get
frustrated
because
like
well.
Actually
the
trucks
don't
hit.
My
neighborhood
till
10
or
11
or
noon,
and
I
sort
of
know
that,
but
do
I
know
it
for
sure
enough
to
not
put
my
trash
out
until
the
morning
right,
and
so
I
guess
and
then
relatedly
we.
You
know.
A
But
in
some
of
my
neighborhoods,
where
we
have
intense
mixed
use
zones
that
is,
for
instance,
resulting
in
very
loud
trash
pickup
activities
in
the
shared
commercial
residential
alleys
of
the
back
bay
in
ways
that
wake
residents
up
at
all
hours
and
are
like
really
not
great
for
quality
of
life.
So
it
all
kind
of
drives
towards
this
question
of
like.
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
know
more
exactly?
A
It
seems
like
if
we
knew
more
exactly
when
the
trash
trucks
were
coming.
There
would
be
a
potential
for
bags
not
to
be
out
on
the
street
for
as
long
in
the
parts
of
the
city
where
we
don't
have
bins,
there'd
be
a
potential
to
maybe
coordinate
better,
so
the
commercial
trash
is
not
conflicting
with
ours,
but
doesn't
come
in
the
wee
hours
in
quite
the
same
way
or
you
know
so
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
Those
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
constituent
like
challenges
and
questions
that
we
feel.
B
Yeah
this
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
packed
in
that
question.
A
lot
of
really
great
things.
The
the
only
thing
I'll
say
about
the
commercial
sector
is
that
the
city
doesn't
regulate
the
commercial
sector.
No,
it
does.
There
is
no
time,
then
there's
no
ordinance
from
the
state
as
well,
for
trash
collection
for
for
commercial
zones.
So
I
mean
ideally,
if
you
own
a
restaurant,
and
you
have
all
your
trash
you
close
at
1am.
B
B
We
will
cite
businesses
for
having
stuff
out
too
early
or
at
the
wrong
time,
just
like
we
would
for
residential,
but
as
far
as
getting
into
the
regulation
of
what
time
you
know,
if
it's
a
mixed
zone,
then
it's
you
know
chances
are
you
have
trash
trucks
coming
in
24
7.,
especially
over
in
the
back
bay
that
you're
you're
talking
about
very
highly
mixed
with
commercial
stuff?
So
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
technically
regulate
any
of
that
so
and
on
the
residential
side,
6
a.m
was
put
into
place
in
2019.
B
It
was
a
city-wide
change.
It
wasn't
a
neighborhood-wide
change,
certainly
willing
to
work
with
residents
in
the
beacon
hill
area.
I've
been
in
touch
with
patricia
tully
and
other
folks,
and
you
know
we
can
work
with
neighbors
on
the
times
and
expectations
of
when
trucks
will
be
there.
But
you
know
we
don't
control
the
trucks
in
in
terms
of
where
they
are,
and
you
know,
if
you,
if
you
have
a
nice
day
like
maybe
today's
decent
day
or
you
know,
the
weather
may
impact
things
personnel.
You
know
those
trucking
companies
have
to
deal
with
covet.
B
B
It's
to
the
point
where
you
know
can
we
make
sure
that
that's
the
time
is
specifically
or
are
we
then
setting
ourselves
up
for
a
conversation
later
where
you
know
you
said
you'd
be
at
eight,
it's
8
30.
Where
are
you
you
know
like
how
specific
of
a
time
we're
looking
at
and
true?
We
could
probably
come
up
with
a
range,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
page
with
expectations.
B
You
know
that
so
it's
it's
something
we
can
look
at,
but
to
get
that
change
done.
You
know
across
the
board
six
o'clock.
This
is
the
this
is
the
change
and
it
actually
gets
the
trucks
out
there.
You
know
these
guys
get
behind
school
buses.
Just
like
we
do.
You
know
they
get
behind
they're
in
traffic.
B
You
know
a
car
breaks
down
the
tunnel
or
something
like
there's
things
that
happen
yeah,
so
the
earlier
start
time
actually
got
a
lot
of
these
trucks
on
the
road
already
because
they
had
to
get
into
the
tunnel
by
five
in
the
morning
before
traffic
or
you
know
so,
there's
there's
there
was
reasons
behind
it.
It
wasn't
to
inconvenience
the
neighborhoods.
G
B
I'm
going
to
call
you
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
figure
it
out.
No,
I
to
be
honest
with
you.
We
don't
know
yet
right.
The
best
we
can
do
is
take
examples
from
other
cities
that
have
started
some
similar
programs
and
how
they've
rolled
them
out
again.
It's
it's
going
to
come
down
to.
You
know
who's
going
to
collect
it.
Where
are
we
going
to
bring
it?
Is
there
a
fee?
B
I
don't
envision
that,
but
it's
it
certainly
needs
to
be
part
of
the
conversation.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
that
need
to
be
straightened
out.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
create
new
contracts
for
either
minority-owned
businesses
in
the
city
similar
to
the
recycling
bins
where
they
could
pick
up
mattresses
and
bring
them
somewhere.
B
B
The
guidance
on
the
ban
is
minimal
and
it
suggests
that
you
use
certain
companies
that
are,
you
know,
listed
on
the
state
contract
stuff
like
that.
But
as
far
as
details
on
you
know
how
how
a
small
community
is
going
to
actually
financially
pay
for
this
new
program,
just
go
back
to
back
to
counselor
box
point.
You
know
the
the
carbon
footprint
is
something
that
we're
looking
out
for,
but,
as
we
add,
these
programs
we're
adding
more
vehicles
to
the
streets.
B
B
We
want
the
infrastructure
to
be
there,
but
we're
also
adding
you
know
more
emissions
by
adding
more
trucks
unless
they're
all
electric
somehow
which
that
doesn't
exist
either
so
that
infrastructure's
behind
as
well
there's
more
and
more
electric
trucks
for
trash
and
stuff
coming
on
board,
but
we're
nowhere
near.
We
need
where
we
need,
for
you,
know
the
city
to
have
all
electric
vehicles.
E
The
other
you
know
weekend
textile
weekend,
curbside
textile
pickup
for
recycling,
I'm
really
delighted
to
see
the
textile
bins
and
they
get
filled
up
really
quickly.
How
does
the
how
does
the
the
weekend
curbside
textile
pick
up
work
for
bigger
buildings?
You
know
for
regular
rather
than
small
households,
but
you
know.
B
Big
yeah
there's
so
this
it's
the
same
process,
so
it
would
just
be
a
simple
sign
up
and
then
put
the
stuff
outside
get
on
the
list.
They
do
50
pickups
on
a
saturday
and
50
on
a
sunday,
there's
obviously
room
to
grow
that
program
also
to
get
more
pickups
on
the
weekend,
which
I
think
we
will
over
time
since
since
february.
First,
we
did
almost
20
000
pounds
of
clothes
on
home,
pickups
alone
wow.
So
the
program
is
incredibly
successful.
So
far,
I'm
really
happy
that
we
started
it
and
that's
that's
a
program.
B
E
B
B
Yeah,
so
if
they
go
to
boston.gov
backslash
textiles,
they
can
there's
a
link.
So
you
go
right
to
the
help
c's
website,
so
the
name
of
the
company
is
helpsy
that
they
came
on
board
a
couple
years
ago
started
with
a
few
bins
now
they're
all
over
the
place
and
then
they're
going
to
the
houses
picking
up
in
hooksett
new
hampshire
that
you
said
was
yep
gonna,
be
on
the
next
panel.
I
So
thank
you
for
that
all
of
this,
and
I
do
appreciate
council
of
flynn's
comment
about
how
different
neighborhoods
have
different
needs
for
trash
pickup,
and
I
may
even
argue
that
it
could
go
as
much
as
you
know.
Different
streets,
even
right,
different
households,
have
different
needs.
So
please
include
us
in
spreading
that
word
and
educating
people
about
you,
know
the
changes
coming
and
how
we
can
help
that,
and
also
appreciate.
Also
your
comment
about
the
different
departments
across
the
city
and
how
we
have
to
hold
them
accountable
and
responsible.
I
I
know
trash
pickup
is
one
snow.
Removal
is
another
where
certain
departments
are
kind
of
expected.
Even
though
say
the
school
department
has
their
own
budget,
and
I
think
if
we
look
closer
at
each
department
to
see
you
know
how
they
handle
their
disposal
of
trash
and
other
things
that
might
be
helpful
for
us.
I
know
as
a
bps
teacher
for
over
20
years,
unless
a
teacher
took
it
on
as
a
task
they
wanted
to.
I
Most
paper
was
never
recycled
ever
it
was
just
thrown
away
right,
so
there
is
not
a
program
in
place
across
the
board.
In
this.
You
know
public
schools
and
we
use
a
lot
of
paper
in
our
public
schools.
So
definitely
would
like
to
look
at
the
different
departments,
and
you
know
what
they're
doing
and,
like
you
had
mentioned
a
lot
of
times.
It's
just
assume
that
your
department
does
that,
and
you
know
that's
not
part
of
your
budget.
So,
however,
we
can
help
to
separate
that
out.
I
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
again
brian.
This
is
incredibly
informative
and
I
just
want
to
echo
counselor
murphy's
comments,
particularly
around
it
feels
like
there
is
a
resource
and
a
capacity
squeeze,
because
we
haven't
necessarily
streamlined
the
process
and
that
there's
an
opportunity
by
streamlining
the
process
that
we
can
strengthen
the
residential
program
and
come
up
with
a
different
plan
for
like
a
more
streamlined
process
for
other
city
agencies
and
commercial,
and
so
can-
and
that's
leads
to
my
question.
J
J
So
I
think
that
we
often
do
ourselves
a
disservice
because
we
focus
particularly
when
it
comes
to
environmental
justice.
We
kind
of
focus
hyper
on
the
individual,
but
when
we're
talking
about
composting,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
much
larger
impact.
If
we
also
have
a
commercial
program,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
food
waste
from
restaurants
in
the
city
of
boston,
and
so
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
what
commercial
programs
currently
exist?
Who
is
responsible
for
commercial?
How
does
that
happen?
J
B
B
B
They
they've
started
adding
textile
boxes
at
bha
properties,
which
has
been
great,
so
it's
a
good
sign
from
them
that
they
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we're
picking
up
on.
You
know
close
to
15
000
tons
a
year
from
them.
That's
coming
out
of
the
residential
trucks,
and
you
know
we're
picking
them
up
the
same
day
that
your
house
is
getting
picked
up.
We're
going
around
all
these
developments
twice
three
times
a
week.
B
You
know
so
one
of
the
benefits
of
separating
either
the
city
agencies
and
all
these
larger
entities.
Bha,
schools,
schools,
recycling,
zone
oz
as
well.
You
know
it's
going
to
create
an
opportunity
for
another
company
to
come
out
whether
it's
a
small
brand
new
startup
company
to
be
able
to
do
a
small
contract.
B
You
know
we
don't
expect
and
we
have
never
got
a
lot
of
bids
for
the
larger
trash
contracts.
You
know
and
it's
because
it's
real
expensive
to
operate.
These
trucks
are
real
expensive,
though
you
know
the
prevailing
wage
plus
benefits
and
health
insurance,
and
all
that
you
know,
but
if
you
had
a
contract,
that
was
for
one
truck
two
trucks,
something
that
was
feasible
for
a
smaller
startup
company
that
could
be,
you
know,
monitored
and
and
kind
of
coached
through.
B
You
know:
that's
how
you
create
the
competition
that
we
need
for
the
next
five
10
15
years,
so
they
got
to
start
somewhere,
but
no
one's
going
to
authorize
a
contract
with
someone
who
just
created
a
business
at
the
ag's
office
yeah.
We
want
proven
vendors
that
can
do
the
job
professional
guys
that,
ladies,
that
know
how
to
do.
The
work
maintain
the
equipment
whatever
so
that's
kind
of
why
it's,
it's
always
been
contracted,
but
just
just
as
a
point
you
know,
and
it
would
be
nice
too,
for
all
around
the
subject.
B
B
So
when
it
comes
in
terms
of
who's,
doing
what
and
knowing
what
you're
doing
you
know,
there's
there's
no
metrics
that
are
coming
out,
that'll
tell
a
story,
so
it's
like
there's
no
id!
We
have
no
idea
what
what
the
schools
do
for
recycling,
because
it's
going
in
with
your
trash
or
recycling
you're
recycling
at
your
house.
If
it's
you
know
so
it's.
B
We
want
to
achieve
zero
waste.
We
have
to
know
what
zero
means
we
have
to
know.
You
know
80
of
what
80
by
2035,
but
you
know
80
percent
of
the
residential
it's
going
to
have
to
include
the
commercial
to
get
there.
So
that's
a
huge
conversation,
but
it's
going
to
have
to
be.
You
know
every
agency
do
an
80
diversion,
but
if
you
don't
know
what
you're
doing
and
you
just
take
for
granted
that
public
works
or
you
know,
someone
else
is
doing
it
and
there's
no
ownership.
There's
no
reporting!
There's
no
conversation.
B
You
know
the
zero
waste
plan
might
as
well
be.
You
know:
20
55,
not
2035.
yeah.
You
know
it's.
It's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work,
so
it's
just
this.
Is
I'm
really
grateful
to
be
here,
because
these
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
talk
about
to
get
those
next
meetings
set
up
so
that
we
can
see
what
the
future
looks
like?
We
can
work
together
and
talk
to
the
community
members
and
the
residents
get
them
involved.
B
Don't
just
you
know,
come
up
with
a
program,
so
there's
a
lot
to
do
again.
It's
it's.
It's
really
been
helpful
to
just
share
some
of
the
stuff,
we're
doing
so
that
you
guys
are
aware
that
you
know
we
are
working
on
a
lot
of
stuff
we're
not
going
to
slow
down.
No,
it
doesn't
matter
if
there's
a
pandemic,
but
we're
gonna
go
right
through
so
yeah.
So
thanks.
J
J
You
know
like
basically,
ultimately,
training
like:
where
do
the
workers
come
from?
What
kind
of
training
is
necessary?
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
the
trades
and
we
talk.
So
do
you
see
an
opportunity
for
building
an
infrastructure
by
which
we're
kind
of
feeding
you
know
public
school
graduates
or
people
who
live
in
the
city
of
boston,
get
into
these
jobs?
Well,.
B
There's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
training
that
goes
into
the
you
know,
operating
the
trucks
and
obviously
cdl
licenses
public
works.
Central
fleet
has
a
driver,
education
training.
They
have
a
cdl
class,
I'm
not
sure
how
closely
they
work
with
the
schools,
but
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
opportunity
in
the
public
works
department.
B
The
pipeline
with
you
know
some
of
the
schools
for
some
jobs,
entry
level,
jobs
driving
job.
You
know
all
kinds
of
jobs:
there's
a
ton
of
jobs
posted
on
the
website,
but
certainly
looking
into
that
would
be
something
we
could.
We
could
work
on.
The
city's
trash
right
now
is
contracted
privately,
so
I'm
not
sure
on
what
that
would
take
to
get.
A
A
You
yeah,
and
and
with
that
I
want
us
to
go.
We've
been
joined
a
while
back
and
they've
been
waiting
very
patiently
by
seattle
and
new
hampshire
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
seattle
first,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
one
of
the
you
know
these
hybrid
hearings
are
a
little
tricky
because
we
can't
see
everybody,
but
on
the
flip
side,
the
nice
thing
about
them.
Is
they
let
us
tap
friends
from
far
away
and
ask
them
about
what
they're
doing
so.
A
A
F
L
So
I
hi
I'm
susan
white
ferris
and
I'm
the
as
she
mentioned.
I'm
the
director
of
planning
and
program
management
for
seattle,
public
utilities,
solid
waste
line
of
business
and
that's
within
the
city
of
seattle
and
I'm
joined
here
today
also
by
my
colleague,
kate
kurtz,
who
is
a
resident
expert
in
organics,
and
we
understand
you
had
questions
about
organic.
So
I
prepared
a
short
powerpoint
to
run
through
just
to
give
you
kind
of
an
overview
of
what
we
do
and
then
some
of
the
organics
work
we're
doing
so.
L
G
A
L
Okay,
fabulous
so
this
first
picture
just
kind
of
gives
a
really
quick
overview
of
you
know:
that's
seattle,
space
needle
what
we're
known
for,
and
we
have
everything
divided
into
three
freeway
streams.
So
I
had
the
benefit
of
listening
to
the
previous
conversation,
which
was
really
useful.
One
of
the
big
differences
is,
we
have
mandatory
garbage
recycling
and
organic
collection,
and
everybody
has
to
do
it
and
we
also
the
garbage,
is
in
the
residential
and
the
commercial
sector,
but
I'll
get
a
little
bit
more
into
that.
L
Next
slide,
please,
okay
great,
so
this
graphic
shows
how
our
materials
are
managed.
You
know
within
the
city
of
seattle,
basically
the
flow,
and
so
we
have
mandatory
collection
of
garbage
recycling,
organic
recycling
and
organics
are
banned
from
our
garbage,
so
we
actually
have
inspectors
and
compliance
agents
that
work
with
our
haulers
to
make
sure
that
materials
don't
go
in
the
garbage
that
are
technically
able
to
go
in
the
organics
and
and
into
the
recycling
end,
and
we
have
seven
large
service
contracts.
L
So
I
heard
the
discussion
about
keeping
stuff
in-house
and
out-of-house.
We
have
three
collection
contracts,
two
big
ones
that
are
our
primary
ones
and
then
one
smaller
one
for
some
c
and
d
type
of
work.
We
have
three
processing
contracts,
we
have
two
for
organics
and
one
for
recyclables
and
we
have
a
long-haul
contract.
L
So
all
of
our
garbage
and
all
our
organics
run
that
are
produced
within
the
city
run
through
those
transfer
stations
that
we
do
own
and
operate
and
we
have
a
pay
as
you
throw
billing
rate
system.
So
you
basically
only
pay
for
what
what
you
contract
for.
So,
if
you
contract
for
a
larger
garbage
container,
then
you
pay
more
money.
If
you
are
able
to
divert
more
material
to
recycling
and
or
the
organics
container,
then
you
usually
can
downsize
your
organics
or
I'm
sorry,
your
garbage
container
and
you
pay
less
money.
L
You
do
pay
a
separate
fee
for
your
organics
container,
but
it's
a
smaller
amount
than
what
you
would
for
the
same
volume
for
in
garbage
and
then
recycling
is
embedded.
The
cost
for
a
recycling
is
embedded
in
your
garbage
on
the
fee
and
then
we're
an
enterprise
fund.
So
anything
that
our
customers
pay
into
the
system
has
to
be
used
for
solid
waste
related
activities.
You
can,
it
doesn't
go
into
the
general
fund.
So
that's
really
key
to
you
know.
L
L
L
Half
of
our
city
is
actually
underwater,
so
we
have
puget
sound,
which
is
a
huge
body
of
water
to
you,
know
our
west
and
we
have
lake
washington
to
our
east
and
what
you
see
on
the
actual.
You
know
downtown
areas
right
smack
dab
in
the
middle,
and
then
we
have
four
areas
that
we
split
our
collection
contract
into
and
we
generate.
You
know
approximately.
L
You
know
712
000,
tons
of
recycling
and
composting,
we
do
300
and
you
know
so:
that's
grand
generation
anyways.
I
think
we
have
very
low
per
capita.
We've
managed
to
keep
our
per
pound
per
person
per
day
generation,
pretty
low
about
half
of
what
it
is
on
a
national
basis
and
our
recycling
rates
about
54
for
and
that's
a
combined
salt
single
family,
multi-family
commercial
and
then
sell
call
that's
what
sh
stands
for
and
the
shift
to
tele
working
obviously
has
impacted
our
streams.
L
L
L
L
So
one
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about-
and
you
know
I
heard
mention
about
you-
want
to
do-
volunteer,
carry
actions
and
everybody
has
to
do
what
works
for
their
constituency
in
seattle.
We've
used
mandates
and
they've
been
very
well
recepted
or
received
because
of
the
work
that
we've
done
through
education
and
training.
But
this
kind
of
give
you
the
night
gives
you
an
idea
of
how,
with
the
population
growth,
we
saw
the
increasing
volumes
peaking.
L
L
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
really
started
emphasizing
is
food
rescue
and
we
can
do
a
you
know,
quick,
deep
dive.
We've
done
a
lot
of
innovation,
innovation
labs
where
we've
brought
stakeholders
from
all
over
the
city
from
healthcare
workers
to
homeless.
Advocates.
To
you
know,
food
banks
to
grocery
stores,
to
big
you
know
amazon
and
microsoft,
who
have
their
industrial
cafes
to
the
restaurant
industry.
We
brought
everybody
together
and
started
talking
about.
L
How
do
we
get
them
to
have
less
food
that
needs
rescuing
and
then
make
sure
that
edible
quality
food
is
being
rescued
and
put
into
the
hands
of
the
food,
insecure
and
I'm
sure
in
boston,
just
like
seattle,
that
you
have
a
large
food,
insecure
and
that
population
and
that
really
increased
a
lot
during
the
pandemic
and
acknowledging
that.
But
we
were,
you
know
we
have
a
large
homeless
population
in
seattle,
the
west
coast
is,
you
know,
dealing
with
that
and
so
making
sure
that
food
is
getting
into
the
hands
of
those
who
need.
L
It
is
really
important.
So
we
have
recently
done
a
grocery
rescue
assessment
and
wanna.
You
know:
there's
there's
a
ton
of
siloed
people
working
in
the
food
world
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
get
people
to
talk,
and
we
found
that
there's
lack
of
standardization
insufficient
and
siloed
data
and
communication
gaps.
L
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now
is
we're
going
to
be
piloting
these
yellow
bins
with
a
large
grocery
store,
starting
in
next
month,
which
will
be
here
soon
to
see
if
we
can't
figure
out
ways
to
document
make
sure
that
edible
food
is
being
moved
correctly
and
then
the
bins
would
be
reused.
So
they
would,
you
know,
we'd
get
rid
of
the
the
using
of
the
boxes
in
all
kinds
of
different
ways
to
do
it.
L
So
that's
something
that
we
are
we're
working
and
the
big
thing
is
that
we
want
to
track.
You
know
our.
Can
we
wash
these
we're
tracking
them?
Can
we
get
the
bins
back
to
the
store
and
are
the
food
hunger
organizations
getting
the
food
that
they
need
next
slide,
please
so
another
area
seattle
is
actively
supporting.
Is
the
circular
food
economy.
So
you'll
hear
me,
say
a
lot
about
circularity.
L
We're
really
big
on
the
circular
economies
when
it
comes
to
recycling,
but
also
in
the
organics
industry,
so
we're
supporting
washington
state
university's
research
on
washington
state
university
just
to
ground
you.
We
have
university
of
washington,
that's
located
in
seattle
and
washington.
State
university
is
located
over
on
the
east
side
of
our
state,
which
is
really
the
agricultural
bread
basket
of
our
state.
It's
a
huge
agricultural
area
and
wsu
is
really
focused
on
that.
L
So
we're
doing
research
to
quantify
climate
benefits
from
organics
application
to
our
agricultural
soils,
given
different
cropping
systems,
we're
working
at
the
legislative
end
to
enact
programs
that
would
subsidize
compost,
applications,
agricultural
fields
and
we're
supporting
programs
such
as
sustainable
farms
and
fields
and
we're
doing
other
things
along
those
lines,
but
really
trying
to
close
that
loop
with
the
you
know
the
food
circular
food
economy
next
slide.
Please.
L
And
one
of
the
big
things
and
I'm
not
sure
what
your
processing
capacity
is,
but
we
having
adequate
composting
capacity
or
just
like
having
adequate
recycling
capacity,
is
really
critical
to
a
successful
program.
And
so
you
know
what
you
see
here
is
a
picture
of
mount
rainier
which
were
you
know
if
you've
ever
been
up
in
our
area.
It's
the
mountain
and
you'll,
hear
it's
the
mountain
out
today.
It's
a
huge
active
volcano,
but
it
hasn't
blown
up
recently.
Thank
goodness
anyways!
That's
in
the
background.
L
That's
one
of
the
main
composting
facilities
where
a
lot
of
our
material
go
to
and
a
tour
that
was
happening.
That's
the
compost
and
that's
the
food
that
results
from
having
you
know.
Quality
soil
in
it
being
used
in
our
fields
and
compost
is
critical
to
restoration
of
soils
and
growing.
You
know
quality
food
so
having
adequate
composting.
L
L
A
Amazing,
thank
you
so
much
susan.
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
think
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
go
next
to
denise
cummings
from
hooksett
who's
here
to
talk
more
about
their
recycling
side
and
then
we'll
do
questions
for
both
of
you
just
because
counselors
will
probably
have
questions
on
both
sides.
So
I
think
we'll
do
that.
A
L
N
The
price
went
from
twenty
five
dollars
a
time
single
stream
recycling
to
upwards
of
a
hundred
and
forty
two
dollars
a
ton.
When
our
city,
our
town
council,
said,
I
think,
we're
all
set
with
single
clicking,
since
it
was
twice
the
price
of
what
crash
was
being
charged
for
dispo
and,
unfortunately,
single
stream.
There
was
a
lot
of
contamination.
N
People
think
that
everything's
recyclable
and
cleaner
trash
and
plastic
bag,
and
with
all
the
education
that
we
put
out
there
and
tagging
girls
and
and
there's
I
want
to
say
even
with
the
source
separated
the
residents
coming
here,
to
sort
their
recycling,
we
still
find
contamination,
the
plastic
bags,
the
plastic
hangers,
aren't
exactly
recyclable.
We
tell
our
residents
as
long
as
it
has
a
triangle
on
it.
One
through
seven,
that's
recyclable
and
they
feel
like
their
children's
toys,
are
reasonable.
Also
do
not
do
food
compost
at
this
time
on.
N
I
was
kind
of
going
to
get
some
education
from
our
state
des
department
and
because
they
have
quite
the
criteria
and
we
have
we
would
have
to
be
licensed,
but
when
we
did
do
our
we
have
our
recycled
building.
We
had
residents
drop
off
the
car
where
we
recycled
about
24
tons
of
cardboard
and
and
that's
up
from
a
population
about
14
000
people.
N
N
We
had,
we
actually
just
changed
vendor
we
had
under
that,
would
drop
off
a
24
yard
bin
for
us
and
we
would
jing
all
of
our
electronics
into
this
bin
for
that
price
that
they
were
charging
us.
We
since
moved
on
and
have
gone
with
north
coast,
llc
recycling,
they're
more
local
to
us,
and
the
pricing
is
amazing.
N
N
Another
thing
that
heard
you
go,
I
is
the
abs
and
we
are
open
six
days
a
week
here
and
I
had
your
pwd
department
talk
about.
You
know
I
end
in
there's
you
much
larger
than
where
and
but
staffing
is
critical
and
the
people
that
you
have
working
for.
You
is
critical
because
they're,
the
ones
that
make
it
happen.
N
Here
we
take
paint
so
that
in
electronics
every
day,
so
that
we
don't
get
that
50
cars
or
100
cars
just
do
their
electronic
recycling
with
every
day
our
batteries,
our
lithium
batteries.
We
do
call
to
recycle
and
again
our
employees,
bag,
lithium
batteries
and
and
and
we
ship
that
that's
free
of
charge
to
us
as
a
municipality.
N
They
take
those
batteries
for
free.
Essentially,
I
don't
know
our
we
separate
glass,
we
try
to
separate
glass,
so
that's
actually
picked
up.
Residents
are
are
picking
up
on
that
we
do
about
25
tons.
Every
six
months
doesn't
seem
like
much
when
you
see
the
up
of
an
area,
you
need
to
store
it.
So
it's
such
load
of
glass,
if
you
can
imagine
that
I
we
also
resold
the
aluminum
cans.
So
that's
something
we
again.
Storage
capacity
is
huge
on.
N
N
I
am
going
to
visiting
other
facilities
or
other
affiliates
in
new
hampshire
that
do
a
really
good
job,
even
sorting
their
plastics
separating
their
ones
from
their
these
and
their
sevens
and
and
I'd
like
to
see
have
these
containers.
I
I'm
just
waiting
to
get
out
there
and
see.
I
just
became
crew
chief
here
just
last
this
past
july.
N
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have,
I
don't
have
much
other
than
that,
like
chris
trees,
like
after
christmas,
we
had
the
week
with
the
boy
scouts
and
the
boy
scouts
picked
up.
The
christmas
season
delivered
them
to
the
goat
farms
around
her,
and
so
it
was
essentially
free
for
us
and
the
farms
got
the
christmas
trees
and
the
scouts
were
working
on
packages.
N
We
try
to
encourage
unity,
outreach
and
we
are
actually
sponsoring
an
earth
day.
Litter
roads
pickup
coming
up
in
less
than
a
month
from
now.
So
I
I
know
that
we
also
at
a
town
hall,
we
offer
them.
We
give
them
barrels
so
that
they
can
save
their
papers
for
us
and
we
go
pick
those
up
once
a
week,
a
lot
there
cardboard
that
they
sort
out
and
stored
for
us
to
go
pick
up,
and
we
just
bail
that
with
cupboard
that
we
get
here
and
paper
that
we
get
here.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
denise
and
thank
thank
you
to
both
you
and
susan
for
coming.
I
I
have
a
question
for
each
of
you
and
maybe
I'll
ask
them
each
and
then
that
way,
you'll
know
what's
coming
so
I'll,
go
to
susan
first,
but
but
denise.
My
question
for
you
when
we
come
back
is
sort
of
you
know.
I
think
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
really
interested
in
hearing
from
hooksett,
even
though
you
guys
are
so
much
smaller
than
we
are,
is
that
you
know
you
went
to
single
source.
A
It
made
sense
at
that
time.
The
situation
changed
and
you
guys
changed
what
you
were
doing
and
I
think,
like
you
know,
we've
heard
from
our
department
how
much
of
a
difference
single
source
has
made
in
terms
of
the
volumes,
but
also
that
we
probably
need
to
innovate
again
here
right
in
a
number
of
on
a
number
of
fronts
and
and
I'm
kind
of
interested
in
how
your
residents
so
far
have
adapted.
Behavior-Wise
like
it
sounds
like
you
know,
there
was
a
cost
driver
for
the
town.
A
There
was
also,
I
think
you
know
you
guys
found
that
a
lot
of
it
was
getting
incinerated.
I
think
was
what
I
heard,
and
so
that
was
part
of
what
drove
it.
So
it's
sort
of
both
a
green
reason
and
a
money
reason
to
make
the
shift,
but
I'm
curious
when
I
come
back
to
you
just
about
like
you
know
how
much
resistance
you
saw
or
how
willing
people
were
to
come
sort
of
go
back
to
a
system
and
and
how
you
guys
thought
about
messaging.
That
and
all
that.
A
So
that's
my
question
for
you
I'll
go
first
back
to
susan
and
just
ask
susan,
I
mean
you
mentioned
processing
capacity,
and
I
think
you
know
you
heard
some
of
the
conversation.
I
don't
know
exactly
when
you
came
on,
but
there's
a
number
of
counselors
interested
in
the
question
of
whether
we,
the
city
of
boston,
could
could
host
some
more
like
some
of
the
processing
capacity,
especially
as
we
think
about
really
standing
up
composting
at
scale,
and
so
I'm
curious,
like
do
any
of
these
facilities,
like
the
one
that
you
showed
it
on.
A
The
final
slide
like
are
any
of
them
owned
by
the
city:
did
the
city
have
any
relationship
to
them
getting
launched
like
what's
kind
of
the?
How
have
you
guys
thought
about
as
you
drive,
because
you've
basically
driven
a
market
with
this
series
of
mandates,
and
so
how
have
you
thought
about
making
sure
there's
enough
infrastructure
in
place
for
that?
L
L
So
in
that
case,
what
I'm
talking
about
are
mers
some
material
recovery
facilities
when
you're
thinking
about
recycling-
and
you
know-
I
don't
know
how
much
material
you
guys
are
handling
but
running.
A
murf
is
a
huge
commitment
and
we
are
very
fortunate
that
we
have
a
number
of
murfs
only
one
in
the
city
of
seattle
that
can
handle
the
volume
of
material
that
we
run
through
it.
But
there
is
another
murph
there
too,
that
also
handles
materials
coming
out
of
the
commercial
sector
and
the
materials
coming
from
other
suburban
cities.
L
That
aren't
part
of
the
seattle
system,
and
so
we
we
go
through
a
contracting
process
and
rf.
You
know
p
process
where
you
know
we
specify
exactly
what
we
want
and
then
we
enter
into
long-term
contracts
with
these,
and
so
facilities
have
developed
in
response
to
that,
and
we
have
a
number
of
other
murphs
in
the
area
that
aren't
in
seattle.
That
also
could
handle
our
neighboring
jurisdictions
material.
L
For
you
to
do
it,
it
takes
pretty
large
footprint.
It
also
takes.
You
know,
commitment
to
the
financial
side
in
our
contract
with
our
murph.
We
have
a
they.
Basically,
we
pay
them
just
to
process
our
material,
but
we
recoup
the
value
of
the
commodities.
So
we
get
the
market
value
back
for
how
much
aluminum
they
send
and
sell
in
the
market
or
paper
depending
on
the
quality.
So
we
have
a
vested
interest
of
financial
interest
in
them
doing
a
good
job.
L
L
China
sword
hit
us
hard
on
the
west
coast
in
the
sense
that
a
lot
of
our
material
was
being
shipped
over
to
southeast
asia
and
china,
and
so
we've
looked
at
that
as
an
opportunity.
You
have
a
zero
waste
plan.
We
have
a
zero
waste
plan.
We've
looked
at
that
as
an
opportunity
to
try
to
really
encourage
the
development
of
domestic
markets
and
so
we're
working
at
the
state
level,
because
seattle
can't
do
it
alone,
we
need
to
work
at
it
at
a
state
and
a
regional
level.
L
Another
thing
that
we're
very
invested
in
in
seattle
is
bringing
extended
producer
responsibility
to
our
state
of
washington,
and
we've
been
working
very
expressively
on
that
across
our
state
with
other
stakeholders
to
bring
that
so
that
we
can
get
producers
to
come
in
and
take
more
responsibility
for
the
materials
that
they're
putting
into
the
market
that
we
have
to
manage
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I'm
sure
there'll
be
other
questions.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
that's
super
helpful
and-
and
I
think
we
might-
we
may
follow
up
and
just
see
if
we
can
get
any
of
your
guys's
model
contracts
or
rfps.
Just
to
understand
I
mean
I
think,
on
the
consumer
side,
there
is
a
fundamental
rubicon
that
we
haven't
crossed,
which
is
this
charging
for
disposal
in
our
residential
and
commercial
residential,
at
least
so
world,
but
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
see
like,
for
instance,
the
the
way
you
guys
invested
your
interest
in
recycling,
some
of
those
more
valuable
materials.
A
Great
and
just
so
I
understand
the
712
000
tons
of
waste
from
2020
that
is
inclusive
of
commercial
and
residential
in
the
seattle
context,
correct
great
so
yeah,
because
I
was
thinking
I
was
like
gee,
you
guys
are
basically
the
same
size
as
us
and
that's
so
much
higher
than
our
numbers.
But
it's
because
we're
not
dealing
with
the
commercial
side,
so
that
makes
sense.
L
A
N
So
the
residents
did
have
some
opposition
about
actually
source
sorting
here,
but
as
time
goes
on
and
as
educate
them
more
and
tell
them
you're,
making
money
they're
more
likely
to
do
more.
So,
for
instance,
our
cardboard
when
we
were
getting
checks
for
3
800
a
month
and
with
that
out
on
facebook,
it
brought
in
more
rents
and
every
resident
that
comes
into
town.
We
try
to
educate
right
away
and
that
so
they
don't
know
that
we
ever
single
streamed.
N
It
is
something
we
are
kind
of
looking
at,
but
again,
there's
like
a
transportation
bus
for
us
to
get
it
to
a
baler,
because
our
the
cardboard's
to
be
baled
and
and
you
need
equipment,
you
need
bobcats,
you
need.
You
need
employees
there
to
get
better
done,
and
so
that
was
one
that
the
residents
have
for
or
just
have
one
day
we
can
just
put
cardboard
in
your
recycle
bin
and
and
have
that
up.
It's
something
that
we
kind
of
look
at
we're.
Our
staffing
is
coming
up.
N
N
N
So
I
again,
I
think
it's
you
give
them
incentives
like
you
know,
and-
and
we
did
put
a
fair
amount
of
money
back
in
town
last
year.
It
was
let
me
see
here
we
put
almost
thousand
dollars
worth
of
cardboard.
You
know
back
into
our
budget,
I
think
is
sitting
it
was
better
than
the
year
before,
and
I
only
see
that
continuing
to
get
better
every
year.
A
Yeah,
no
that's
great
and
it's
great
to
yeah,
it's
great
to
think
about
how
I
mean
how,
in
that
case,
like
people
can
see.
Oh
we're
doing
this
together
and
it's
having
a
positive
impact
on
the
town
and-
and
I
think
you
know
in
a
different
way
in
seattle-
the
idea
that
you
know
if
you're
people
are
grumbling
about
paying
the
fees
but
then
they're
going
back
into
the
whole
waste
management
system.
So
it's
not,
you
know,
there's
a
sense
of
the
whole,
the
whole
thing
being
like
a
virtuous
cycle.
A
E
No,
I
I
just
want
to
thank
you
both
for
sharing
your
experience
and
and
all
the
great
the
great
things
you're
doing.
I'm
impressed
with
your
with
the
the
ability
for
a
small,
a
small
community
to
sort
of
reverse
course
and
and
everybody
on
deck,
to
try
and
br
re,
increase
your
recycling
and
and
go
away
from
the
open
single
stream
thing.
E
So
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we
talk
about
is
really
about
behavior
modification
in
our
communities
and
trying
to
educate
about
people
about
the
appropriate
ways
to
recycle
and
not
to
contaminate
the
recycle
bin
with
the
food
and
stuff
that's
going
to
make
make
the
make
the
recyclables
less
valuable.
So
again,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
all
about
education,
and-
and
I
thank
you
for
sharing-
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
at
this
time.
A
A
N
A
Yeah
yeah,
no,
that
makes
sense
so
you're
sort
of,
and
since
the
cardboard
is
such
a
lucrative
area,
it
might
be
worth
it
to
you
to
do
that
also
right
right
and
then
I
was
wondering
I
was
wondering
if
I
could
ask
susan,
I
mean
I
have
to
be
honest.
It's
a
little
bit
discouraging
to
me
just
that
I
mean
I
feel
like
we're.
We're
like
we're
like
a
generous
step
behind
you
guys,
because
we
have
not
really
conquered
the
food
waste
thing.
A
Even
from
the
you
know,
we
haven't
had
composting
and
stuff
be
part
of
our
core
program
residentially,
and
then
you
guys
are
already
on
the
other
side
of
having
done
that
and
being
like,
oh
gee,
to
really
hit
our
targets.
We
need
to
modify
everybody's
behavior
for
like
how
much
they
waste
and
it
feels
to
me
like
we're
gonna
get
there
eventually,
but
we've
gotta.
A
L
Yeah,
so
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
on
the
residential,
primarily
with
my
comments.
So
when
we
first
rolled
out
the
food
waste,
it
was
a
complex
what
I'd
call
social
marketing
program
in
order
to
change
people's
behavior,
where
we
really
worked
on
overcoming
the
yuck
factor,
but
there
were
also
complexities
that
we
had
to
overcome
with
respect
to
public
health
requirements,
making
sure
that
public
health
was
on
board
with
putting
the
materials
in
the
organic
container
too.
But
but
then
with
the
residents.
L
It's
just
you
know
doing
the
pilots,
proving
that
it's
a
a
concept
that
will
work
and
then
a
lot
of
publicity,
education,
education,
more
promotion,
a
lot
of
that
over
time.
The
mandates,
though,
is
what
really
kicks
it
in,
and
so
what
does
that
look
like?
So
we
have
an
inspection
and
compliance
group,
but
really
the
onus.
The
first
onus
is
on
the
haulers
when
they're
tipping,
if
they
see
significant
contamination
in
the
garbage
to
do
an
oops
tag,
so
oops
tags
are
pretty
effective
in
the
single
family,
residential.
L
Where
you
know
you
hang
it
off
somebody's
container
and
it
says
oops,
you
have
the
wrong
material,
so
we
have
what
I'd
call
a
for.
You
know
force
four
strikes
before
we
try
to
actually
find
somebody
and
we
really
go
for
the
carrot
as
opposed
to
the
stick.
So
you
know
people
will
get
an
oops
tag,
then,
if
another
event
they'll
get
another
oops
tag
and
that's
put
into
the
computer
system.
L
Very
often
people
tend
to
be
after
a
visit
visitor
to
an
oops
tag.
They
tend
to
start
complying,
but
this
is
over
years,
and
so
we've
been
doing
this,
for
you
know,
over
15
years
now,
where
you
know
from
when
we
started
to,
but
also
it
kind
of
bled
out
into
the
the
suburban
cities
elsewhere
too,
and
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
peer
pressure.
A
lot
of
social
marketing
is
based
on
peer
pressure.
There's
a
whole
science
around
social
marketing.
L
L
A
L
L
It
was
kind
of
in
a
effect,
but
it
was
rolled
out,
so
it
was
rolled
out
over
time,
so
a
lot
of
the
nay
fare
or
whatever
they
were
able
to
address
a
lot
of
that,
because
they
had
a
very
clear
communication
strategy
put
into
place
a
clear
outreach
and
education
strategy
put
into
place
that
we
really
acted
on
over
time
to
roll
pull
it
out.
But
I'm
not
saying
that,
doesn't
you
know
every
jurisdiction
is
going
to
be
slightly
different.
L
You
know,
as
we've
seen,
you
know
firsthand
with.
What's
happened
with
you
know,
math
in
the
country,
not
everybody
likes
mandates.
Seattle
has
a
very
strong
environmental
ethic
and-
and
we
played
on
that-
I
would
also
say
you
know-
boston
has
a
lot
of
schools
and
you
have
a
lot
of
hospital
institutions
and
you
can
play
on
those
institutions
and
try
to
you
know,
use
them
in
in
a
positive
way
to
get
messaging
out
to
people
who
live
in
the
city
and
and
participate
in
your
programs
and
stuff.
L
So
I
would
you
know,
I'd.
Take
it
one
step
at
a
time
and
be
thoughtful
and
not
expect
that
there's
going
to
be,
you
do
one
thing
and
it
it's
going
to
change
people's
behavior
because
that's
not
how
it
works.
But
over
time
you
will
see
progress
and
you
will
see
improvements
and
and
being
realistic
about
that
and
celebrate
the
successes,
and
do
it
very
publicly
helps
get
other
people
on
board
to
do
it
too,
because
they
want
to
be
part
of
that
positive
change
too.
L
L
Cardboard
is
a
valuable
commodity
in
the
sense
that
if
you
can
keep
it
clean
and
dry
and
get
it
to
the
recycling
so
for
those
areas
flattening
the
cardboard
we've
we've
piloted
some
areas
where
you
can
slot
the
cardboard
down
into
a
a
kind
of
roller
that
then
can
be
rolled
out
and
it
can
be
collected
from.
So
we
have
piloted
different
things,
and
then
we
have
an
actual
clean
alleys
program
that
I'm
happy.
L
If
somebody
on
your
staff
wants
to
talk
to
my
manager
who
oversees
that
program,
I'm
happy
to
put
them
in
contact
because
that's
been
pretty
successful
in
those
older
areas
of
the
city
where
they're
old
buildings-
they
don't
have.
You
know,
storage,
to
put
a
container
and
and
we're
trying
to
keep
the
alleyways
clear,
because
they're
used
for
trucks
and
other
things
deliveries,
and
we
don't
want
a
lot
of
containers
and
we've
also
from
a
safety
point
of
view.
L
A
Great,
no
that's
super
helpful
and
then,
in
terms
of
just
so
I
understand
this
is
for
both
either
of
you
so
cardboard's
very
lucrative.
I
mean
what
are
it
sounds
like
textiles
are
fairly
like
I
don't
know
sort
of
like
what
do
you
like?
What
are
the
things
that,
in
this
sort
of
market
I
mean
we
can
create,
we
can
think
about
creating
a
domestic
market,
but
fundamentally
there's
only
going
to
ever
be
a
domestic
market
for
things
that
have
some
value
right.
A
You
know,
I
think
we
all
have
lots
of
trouble
with
people
thinking
those
thin
plastic
bags
can
be
recycled.
I
always
think
that,
like
part
of
it
is,
is
it's
a
wish
that
it
could
be
recycled
right?
I
think,
like
I
think
frankly,
we
just
have
a
hard
time
grappling
with
the
amount
of
non-recyclable
material
in
all
of
our
lives
and
people's
like
way
of
denying.
A
If
you,
if
you
feel
like
you've
done
anything,
that's
moved
the
needle
towards
getting
people
to
just
like
use
and
acquire
more
recyclable
things,
because
in
the
right
and
like
not
not
pick
up
as
much
or
not
utilize
as
much
these
materials
that
are
harder
to
to
reuse.
So
that's
a
twin
question
piece,
one:
what's
valuable
and
easy
to
recycle
and
kind
of,
therefore,
it's
easier
to
drive
a
market
and
any
strategies
or
suggestions
on
how
to
get
folks
to
move
away
from
those
non-recyclable
things.
N
N
It
was
like
760
dollars,
a
ton
which
is
not
too
shabby.
So
glass
is
so
we
pay
to
get
rid
of
our
glass,
but
it's
half
the
price
of
what
I'm
paying
to
have
crash
incinerated
glasses,
pay,
40
dollars
a
ton
for
glass
versus
the
eighty
dollars,
a
ton
that
it
goes
to
the
incinerator,
plastics
cardboard
and
just
just
have
them
actually
sort
through
their
in
their
trash.
N
We
make
them
separate
any
wood
products
they
may
have,
or
just
have
them
separate
everything.
Look
at
us
like
we
have
five
heads,
but
if
you
kind
of
insist
on
it
they
don't
really
have
a
choice.
They
can
go
somewhere
else
and
they
actually
tend
to
comply,
and
I
think
that
they're
more
willing
to
do
it
because
of
the
convenience
of
already
here-
and
I
think
their
minds
are
changing
the
residents
and
the
even
the
commercial
people
that
come
here
to
use
this
facility.
N
L
Thanks
so
we
have,
we
have
different
markets
on
the
west
coast
than
you
do
on
the
east
coast
and
there
are
certain
materials
that
have
a
national
market,
but
these
are
commodities
like
anything
they
go
up
and
down
in
value,
and
if
you
know
you
look
at
the
values
over
20
years,
you'll
see
lots
of
variation.
But
that
said,
there
are
certain
plastics
that
are
definitely
valuable
and,
as
the
price
of
oil
goes
up,
the
plastics
become
more
valuable
because
of
the
fact
that
they
can
be
used.
L
You
know
if
they
were
taken
back
down
to
the
molecular
structure.
Metals,
you
know
aluminum.
Of
course
it's
always
had
retained
its
value,
but
metals
in
general
tend
to
be
good
and
cardboard
tends
to
be
doing
quite
well
right
now,
as
denise
said,
and
certain
types
of
paper,
especially
if
it's
clean
paper
is
doing,
we
ban
plastic
bags,
we
banned
them
from
our
recycling
stream
a
number
of
years
ago.
L
They
had
very
low
value
and
they
caused
huge
problems
at
the
merv
they
get
into
the
mechanics
on
the
sorting
spinners
and
they
cause
all
kinds
of
problems.
So
we
ban
those
and
we
have
drop-off
options
that
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
american
chemistry
council,
their
wrap
program,
it's
wrap
program
where
they
have
drop
off.
You
know
it's
collected
at
grocery
stores
and
others.
L
L
Would
you
know
just
like
new
hampshire
and
other
states
that
are
looking
at
this
having
an
extended
producer
responsibility
and
we're
working
hard
at
washington
state
state
to
try
to
bring
that
to
washington
state
because,
ultimately,
working
upstream
with
the
producers
and
getting
them
to
take
responsibility
for
the
design
of
the
products
and
the
recyclability
of
their
products
and
then
working
downstream
with
those
who
are
putting
it
into
the
the
markets?
To
make
sure
it's
clean,
you
know,
and
and
bundled
correctly
so
that
it
can
be
recycled,
is
really
critical.
L
Glass
is
problematic
in
a
lot
of
places,
we're
very
blessed
in
seattle
to
have
both
a
glass
recycling
facility
and
then
also
a
glass
maker
facility
right,
downtown
or
just
south
of
the
downtown
and
they're
situated
right
next
to
each
other.
So
our
glass
gets.
You
know
sorted
at
our
murph
and
it
goes
like
two
three
blocks
away
to
a
place
that
actually
grinds
it
up
into
its
sand,
the
area
and
then
it
gets
shipped.
You
know
next
door
to
the
place
that
makes
the
bottle.
So
we
do
really
well
in
glass.
E
L
A
A
L
So
so
we
have
really
started
emphasizing
more
of
the
reuse
and
the
waste
prevention
and
reuse
world,
and
we've
been
fighting
at
the
state
legislation
for
a
right
to
repair
bill
so
that
people
can
repair
their
electronics
and
other
things
so
and
we
see
definitely
an
epic,
a
reuse,
epic
in
seattle.
You
know,
if
you
go
on
facebook,
they're
like
you
use
less
or
I
can't
think
of
the
name
of
it
right
now.
But
where
you
can
say,
I
have
a
couch,
I
don't
need
the
couch
or
you
can
say
I
need
a
couch.
L
Anyone
have
a
couch
and
they
think
so.
We've
seen
that
take
off
in
the
last
10
15
years,
where
people
definitely
are
using
less
and
being
more
thoughtful
about
what
they're
buying,
but
sometimes
people
don't
have
options
to
buy
things,
and
that's
where
the
producers
come
in
is
making
sure
that
they're
not
getting
products
that
just
can't
be
recycled
in
our
system.
A
Yeah
that
makes
sense
and
last
question
for
me
actually
back
on
composting.
We
were
talking
a
bit
on
our
end
about
where
the
compost
would
go.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
it
is
that
you
guys
do
like
how
much
like?
Are
you
sending
it
into
biofuel
uses?
Are
you
using
it
all
in
your
gardens
parks?
L
O
Yeah
absolutely-
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
question,
for
you
know
any
recycled
product.
There
has
to
be
a
market
for
it
at
the
end
right,
and
so
the
truth
is
that
as
a
highly
urbanized
area
like
city
of
seattle,
like
when
I
visited
boston,
so
you
don't
actually
have
that
much
soil
in
which
to
receive
all
of
that
material
back.
O
We
do
have
a
lot.
You
know
we
have
single-family
homes,
we
we
do
have
parks
that
can
use
this,
but
there
are
clear
ways
in
which
we
build
compost
markets.
So
one
is
in
our
stormwater
code
and
we
work
actually
regionally.
So
it's
all
of
western
washington
has
a
shared
stormwater
code.
Of
course
our
city
has
its
own,
which
we
kind
of
like
back
up
the
western
washington
one,
but
essentially
what
you
have
to
do
for
any
development.
You
have
to
restore
the
soils
that
have
been
impacted
by
construction
activities
with
compost.
O
You
have
to
bring
in
organic
matter
and
that
really
helps
with
the
water
quality
so
that
you
don't
have
polluted
stormwater
runoff
going
into
our
surface
waters,
so
that
helps
build
the
compost
markets,
but
also
has
those
water
quality
goals.
We
also
have
other.
You
know
ways
that
you
can
meet
your
stormwater
requirements
like
planting,
more
trees
or
putting
in
green
roofs,
for
example,
and
okay.
So
that's
one
way
and
then,
as
susan
mentioned
in
her
slideshow
presentation
earlier
too,
is
that
we
are
working
hard
to
support
a
circular
food
economy.
O
So
I
think
it
made
sense
when
we
were
only
accepting
yard
waste
into
our
city
collected
system
that
we
were
telling.
People
to
you
know,
put
your
tree
trimmings
and
grass
clippings
in
this
bin
and
then
use
that
back.
So
you
know
we
have
like
a
whole
natural
yard
care
program
in
which
we
really
emphasize
soil
and
building
soil
as
a
foundation
of
our
natural
yard
care
principles,
so
that
helps
to
build
those
soils
and
that
made
sense
that
was
kind
of
like
the
whole
program
for
many
decades.
O
But
now
that
we
have
food
entering
into
our
city
collected
compost
systems,
if
we
really
want
to
be
sincere
about
supporting
a
circular
economy,
what
that
means
is
that
some
of
those
nutrients
and
all
of
those
resources,
the
carbon
and
the
nutrients
that
are
encapsulated
in
that
food
waste
really
need
to
go
back
to
agricultural
soils.
If
we
want
to
be
truly
circular,
that's
also
where
we're
going
to
find
the
greatest
climate
benefits
from
using
the
compost
so
being
able
to
sequester
carbon
in
the
soil
and
also
mitigate
the
effects
of
climate
change.
O
You
know
be
more
resilient
in
the
face
of
climate
change
and
so
we're
working
now
at
the
state
level,
so
working
with
washington
state
university
with
our
state
department
of
agriculture,
to
figure
out
how
we
can
subsidize
compost
use
on
agricultural
fields,
so
farmers
love
compost.
It
helps
do
great
things
for
the
soil.
Usually
the
economics
don't
pencil
for
being
able
to
apply,
compost
and
then
getting
the
immediate
yield
benefits,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how?
A
Got
it
that's
super
helpful
and
I'll
go
I'll
just
check
if
brian
has
any
follow-up
questions
on
that,
but
I
also
will
just
say
that
we
would
we
would
love.
We
would
love
to
be
able
to
put
seattle
in
touch
with
our
our
department,
as
we
continue
to
think
about
developing
this
program,
because
all
that
detail
is
really
helpful.
Did
you
have
anything
else?
No.
B
Just
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
too
on
the
mixed
digestion
with
the
leaves
and
the
food
waste
right
now
we
do
over
10
000
tons
of
leaves
at
the
curb
for
our
pickup.
So
if
we
added,
if
we
had
an
opportunity
with
the
rfp
to
help
develop
somewhere
where
we
could
mix
it
together
to
get
the
maximum
benefit,
you
know,
I
think
that's
what
the
angle
we're
looking
for.
B
B
There
was
a
glass
facility
in
rhode,
island
that
shut
down,
so
that
caused
the
cop,
the
the
cost
of
the
glass
to
go
up
so
that
again
goes
back
to
the
infrastructure.
If,
if
the
infrastructure
is
available
or
increased,
the
prices
will
be
managed
better
and
they'll.
You
know
something
local
to
have
these
things
and
the
epr
legislation
that
was
mentioned.
B
B
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
headquarters
for
big
companies
in
the
city
and
I'm
sure
seattle
has
homes
to
you,
know
big
corporate
brands
that
have
these
promises
of
being
green.
So
it's
it's
a
matter
of
holding
them
accountable
and
you
know,
what's
the
end
of
the
life
for
their
product,
look
like
and
that's
the
conversation
that
we're
having
now.
You
know
at
that
level
trying
to
create
that
closed
loop
process.
So
that's.
A
E
A
A
So
I
appreciate
all
of
you
so
much,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
and
thank
brian
for
coming
in
for
staying
and
I'll
help
his
team
and
and
just
say
feel
free
to
log
off
I'm
going
to
go
to
public
testimony
next,
because
this
is
a
hearing,
and
so
we've
got
some
folks
waiting
patiently
to
testify.
But
I
really
want
to.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
panelists
so
much.
A
A
I
have
a
few
good
ideas
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna
go
now
to
public
testimony
and
I'll
just
I'll.
Just
say
that
if
you,
if
you
are
waiting
to
testify-
hopefully
I
have
your
name
signed
up
here.
If
you're
watching
this
on
tv,
you
can
email,
ccc.csit
boston.gov,
to
quickly
sign
up
for
virtual
testimony.
If
you're
watching
this.
After
the
fact
you
can
email,
ccc.csit
boston.gov
to
submit
written
testimony,
so
those
are
both
options,
the
and
for
those
for
those
who
are
signed
up
to
testify.
A
Just
so,
you
know,
there's
a
microphone
over
there
on
the
floor
and
you
can
go
and
stand
to
that
and
the
folks
I've
got
here
are
sheila
berkus,
then
elizabeth
peterson,
then
richard
swanson,
so
we'll
go
to
each
of
so
I'll
call
sheila
first
and
if
you
can
just
introduce
yourself,
mention
your
address
or
affiliation
and
share
your
testimony.
That
would
be
fantastic.
C
C
Mothers
out
front
commends
the
city
of
boston
for
its
commitment
to
a
zero
waste
plan,
as
well
as
its
efforts
to
ensure
that
the
waste
management
be
considered
equally
across
all
neighborhoods
composting.
Our
food
scraps
can
play
a
significant
part
in
that
plan
by
eliminating
food
waste.
The
city
eliminates
the
methane
gases
released
when
that
waste
ends
up
in
our
landfills
composting
food
waste
and
returning
it
to
the
soil
creates
a
healthier
soil.
C
C
Perhaps
just
as
important,
however,
is
the
less
measurable
outcome
of
connecting
city
families
with
the
natural
world.
By
participating
in
composting,
every
urban
household
will
have
the
opportunity
to
directly
understand
where
food
comes
from
how
returning
their
food
scraps
to
soil
can
grow.
More
food
mothers
out
front
urges
the
city
to
consider
the
end
product
as
much
as
the
process.
C
A
You
wonderful,
thank
you.
So
much
do
you
want
a
copy
of
this
that'd
be
great.
Yes,
if
you
can
share
it,
share
a
copy
with
cora
and
then
next
up
we'll
be
betsy
peterson,
then
richard
swanson
and
then
I've
also
got
the
folks
on
zoom.
I
know
you're
here
and
we'll
be
going
to
you
as
well.
So
just
wanna.
H
So
I
do
have
written
testimony,
I'm
betsy
peterson.
I
live
on
the
back
near
the
state
house,
downtown
boston
and
I've
written
testimony
which
I'll
send.
But
what
I
want
to
do
is
say
thank
you,
because
it
was
really
exciting
to
hear
the
things
that
you're
working
on
and
that
there's
going
to
be
a
pilot
project
already.
You
obviously
don't
need
persuasion.
H
So
I'm
mostly
saying
thank
you,
but
what
I
was
going
to
mention
was
just
how
hard
it
is
for
an
individual
who
wants
to
compost
to
do
so.
The
first
step
is
you've
talked
about
is
education.
I
have
learned
how
much
I
didn't
know
in
the
last
year
or
two
that
food
waste
is
so
important
in
methane.
Gas
and
methane
is
such
a
risk
and
all
those
things
that
you
all
know
very
well,
but
here's
what
I
faced
when
I
decided
I
really
needed
to
compost.
H
I
could
put
it
in
the
trash
and
it
would
go
to
the
landfill
and
I
know
that's
bad.
I
could
put
it
down
at
disposal,
but
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
disposals,
that's
not
great
for
the
waste
water
system
and,
what's
more,
as
people
have
said,
it's
a
resource,
it's
a
resource.
We
need
to
be
using
to
get
healthier
soils.
H
The
third
option
is
to
use
project
oscar.
There
are
in
the
whole
city
of
boston,
five
places.
You
can
take
compost
to
project
austria.
Luckily
I
lived
near
enough
to
government
center,
but
I
was
trotting
once
or
twice
a
week
with
my
little
bag
of
trash
to
drop
it
in
the
bin
right
back
here
in
behind
us
about
50
feet
away.
Probably,
and
the
fourth
option
is
to
use
a
collection
service
like
bootstrap
and
I've
just
signed
up
for
that.
But
it's
expensive.
It's
fifteen
dollars
a
week.
H
If
you
need
a
weekly
pickup,
which
most
households
will
that's
almost
600
a
year.
I
do
it
twice
every
two
weeks
and
that's
almost
400
a
year,
so
that
was
enough
to
discourage
me
and
obviously
for
some
families.
It's
going
to
be
out
of
the
question
altogether.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
starting
a
free
program
for
the
whole
city.
P
Yeah
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all,
so
this
is
I'm
I'm
not
here
really
about
the
composting
all
this,
but
I'm
very
impressed
with
what
I
hear
as
a
resident.
So
I
just
want
to
congratulate
you
all.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
a
lot
of
this
I'm
from
edgerly
road,
I'm
one
of
those
residents
who
lives
in
one
of
the
mixed
use,
alleys,
and
I'm
really
here
to
ask
I've.
P
P
We're
all
just
really
really
frustrated
at
getting
woken
up
at
4,
30,
4,
45
5
in
the
morning
four
to
five
mornings
a
week
by
waste
management,
and
we
have
pleaded
with
them
with
the
drivers
to
to
no
avail,
as
you
probably
could
guess,
I
called
waste
management.
I
called
the
customer
service
line.
I
spoke
to
somebody
in
the
wilburn
office
who
said
call
the
foxboro
office
and
they
put
me
in
touch
with
somebody,
I
think
he's
actually
in
sales,
and
he
said
well,
you
know
he
said.
P
Unfortunately,
you
should
pursue
this
with
the
city
council.
I
don't
think
we
can
do
anything
for
you.
Our
goal
is
to
get
the
trucks
off
the
street
early
and
I
said
well,
I
I
can
understand
that,
but
I
feel
like
that's
a
business
problem
and
not
one
that
we
should
be
subjected
to
solve
for
you
in
terms
of
being
woken
up.
So
I've
looked
at
I've
spoken
to
senator
brownsberger's
office.
P
I've
contacted
one
of
the
local
tv
stations
who's
ready
to
do
a
story,
we're
at
a
point
now
on
the
street,
where
we're
just
really
frustrated
and
and
do
whatever
we
can
to
not
take
no
for
an
answer.
So
I
do
know
that
the
city
has
an
ordinance
that
says
that
commercial
trash
pickup
can
occur
at
any
hour,
but
it's
a
quality
of
life
issue
for
all
of
us
who
suffer
through
this.
You
know,
I
think
everything
you're
doing
today
is
about
quality
of
life.
P
In
our
case,
I
can
prove
that
the
trash
noise
which
lasts
10
to
12
minutes
on
a
good
morning
is
a
violation
of
the
city,
noise,
ordinance
1626,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
why
aren't
we
enforcing
that
noise
ordinance
or
can
we
possibly
get
the
mixed-use
alleys
redesignated
so
that
commercial
pickup
knows
that
they
can
pick
up
in
commercial
alleys
and
not
income
in
the
mixed
use?
Alleys
so
that
we
can
sleep?
P
I
can't
even
open
my
window
at
night
on
a
nice
spring
or
fall
day
and
feel
like
I
might
be
able
to
sleep
through
the
night,
because
I
know
at
4
45
I'm
going
to
hear
a
very
loud
truck
16
feet
away
from
me.
So
we're
all
frustrated.
I've
sent
some
letters.
Kennedy
has
the
emails
and
stuff.
What
can
we
please
get
done?
Do
I
need
to
contact
maura
healey?
Should
I
take
the
story
to
tv?
P
A
Thank
you
so
much
richard
and
yeah.
You
have
my
commitment
that
we
are
going
to
continue
to
work
on
this
and
try
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
about
it,
whether
it's
you
know
that
we
need
to
pass
an
ordinance
or
we
need
to
enforce
an
existing
ordinance
or
we
need
to
you
know,
because
I
think
you
know-
and
I
think
fundamentally
you
know
it's
interesting.
The
obviously
one
of
the
things
that
seattle
did
was
do
both
its
commercial
and
residential,
but
in
a
way
that
put
the
cost
burden
on
the
commercial
right.
G
P
A
Think,
as
we
as
we
think
about
you,
know
the
whole
city's
carbon
footprint
in
this
space.
Thinking
about
how
we
can
kind
of
like
how
we
can
hold
the
commercial
side
accountable
for
the
way
that
they
do
this,
also
for
the
quality
of
what
they're
doing
right
from
all
these
carbon
perspectives
yeah,
but
but
well,
asking
these
big
businesses
to
be
responsible
for
the
cost
of
this
thing.
That
is,
fundamentally,
you
know
a
business
proposition
for
them.
P
Yeah,
I
completely
respect
and
understand
all
that
the
city
you
know,
residential
trash
pickup
is
amazing,
they're
great
guys.
You
know,
I
know
that
my
wave
and
you
know
they're
really
good
about
things
they
clean
up
and-
and
so
you
know
hats
off
to
you
on
that.
But
the
commercial
truck
service
has
just
been
it's
a
nightmare
for
us.
It's
really
a
nightmare.
Yeah.
A
A
Is
it
sorry
give
me
one
one
moment:
oh
it's!
Oh
it's,
this
okay,
great,
excellent,
okay!
So
I'll
go
I'll,
name
folks
off
just
so.
People
know
the
order
that
I've
got
it's
judy,
foster
marjorie,
hamlin,
maxine
hunter,
caroline
reeves,
carolyn,
reeves,
jackie
royce
and
elaine
chao,
and
we'll
go
to
those
folks
in
that
order.
If
you're
here
so
first
up
judy
foster.
A
A
While
we're
figuring
that
out,
I'm
actually
gonna,
I'm
gonna
read
into
the
record
a
letter
that
I
I
need
to
read
from
a
colleague
who
was
absent
today,
but
wanted
to
express
her
interest
in
commitment
on
the
hearing.
This
is
from
counselor
ruthie
louis-jenn,
I'm
our
city
councilor
at
large.
She
wrote
dear
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology.
I
regret
to
inform
you
that
I
will
be
unable
to
attend
the
committee
on
study
services
and
innovation
technology
hearing
on
docket
0242,
with
the
increased
cost
of
recycling
and
its
growing
impact
on
municipal
finances.
A
I
am
particularly
interested
in
learning
and
finding
new
policies
that
shift
the
responsibilities
of
recycling
to
the
producers
and
manufacturers
of
products
away
from
the
end
user.
We
need
to
innovate
toward
new
packaging
products
and
business
models
that
keep
trash
out
of
our
ecosystem.
However,
we
must
do
more
than
recycle
more
or
make
better
packaging.
We
must
pass
legislation
extending
producer
responsibility,
as
it
is
the
only
proven
way
to
create
sorry
as
to
create
a
true
closed
loop
system
of
responsibility.
A
Also,
a
special
thank
you
to
the
public
works
department
and
their
tireless
efforts.
Their
hazardous
waste
drop-off
days
are
much
appreciated:
opportunities
to
dispose
of
electronics,
paint,
oil
and
textiles.
My
staff
will
be
attending
and
I
will
thoroughly
review
the
video
hearing
minutes
of
public
testimony.
Should
you
or
any
members
of
the
public
have
any
questions
or
concerns.
Please
do
not
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
my
office
directly
at
617-635-4376
or
at
ruthc.luisgen
at
boston.gov.
That's
r-u-t-h-z,
dot,
l-o-u-I-j-e-u-n-e
at
boston.gov,
sincerely
ruthie,
louis-jenn,
boston
city
counselor
at
large.
A
M
M
The
muddy
water
initiative
is
a
direct
action
organization,
that
is
to
say,
we
believe
in
empowering
individuals
to
be
able
to
act
to
better
their
world
and
particularly
the
environment,
and
here
we
have
an
unbelievable
opportunity
to
make
a
difference.
I
disagree
with
councillor
braden,
although
I
I
am
such
a
fan,
and
I
regard
her
so
highly
that
this
is
a
behavior
modification
issue.
M
Many
of
us
are
committed
to
making
a
difference
to
our
environment,
but
we
find
it
extremely
difficult
to
do
so.
The
idea
that
the
city
wants
to
put
solutions
at
our
fingertips
is
wonderful.
We
will
take
advantage
of
them.
Many
of
us
right
away.
I
think
you're
10
000
individuals
who
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
compost
those
slots
will
be
taken
immediately,
for
example,
the
issue
of
disposable
disposing
of
hazardous
waste.
M
We
at
the
muddy
water
initiative
know
that
batteries
are
a
huge,
huge
problem
in
leaching
into
our
groundwater.
The
disposal
of
batteries
in
a
responsible
way
is
often
it
we're
told
dispose
of
these
wastes
responsibly,
but
many
of
us
just
can't
find
the
right
way
to
do
it.
Those
five
days
of
hazardous
waste
collection-
some
of
us,
can't
make
it.
We
have
small
children.
We
have
buckets
of
batteries
that
end
up
in
the
trash.
M
I
really
applaud
the
city
of
boston
for
looking
for
ways
to
make
it
easier
for
us
to
dispose
of
our
waste
in
responsible
ways.
The
textile
and
clothing
collection,
curbside
pickup,
it's
exciting
to
us.
Many
of
us
who
have
turned
to
commercial
solutions
for
composting.
Like
our
wonderful
local
group,
bootstrap
compost,
it
brings
joy
to
our
lives
to
be
able
to
deal
with
waste
in
environmentally
responsible
ways,
but
it's
costly
and
it's
not
available
to
everybody.
It's
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
deal
with
our
waste
in
responsible
ways.
It
shouldn't
be
a
privilege.
M
It
shouldn't
be
something
that's
available,
only
to
people
with
cars
or
money
or
child
care.
Or
what
have
you
thank
you
boston
for
thinking
of
ways
of
getting
this
to
all
of
our
community
members,
all
of
our
environmentally
responsible
citizens,
everybody
who
wants
to
do
the
right
thing.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
having
this
hearing
today.
M
If
the
muddy
water
initiative
can
help
in
any
way
we'll
have
our
volunteers
out
there,
picking
up
batteries
in
neighborhoods
we're
ready
to
go
door
to
door,
because
people
want
to
make
a
difference,
don't
just
say
it
do
it
and
that's
what
I
think
people
will
do
when
they're,
given
the
opportunity.
Thank
you.
M
Q
All
of
our
products
when
sold
on
the
east
coast
will
be
carbon
negative
products.
Ours
is
a
proven
model
designed
in
canada
and
replicated
globally
we're
the
second
franchise
in
the
united
states
in
the
first
to
the
east
coast.
We
began
our
recycling
operation
at
the
beginning
of
this
month.
At
the
beginning
of
march,
in
only
four
weeks,
we've
established
75
collection
locations
for
disposable,
chopsticks
throughout
boston,
cambridge
and
brookline,
actually
78
as
of
today.
Our
partners
are
predominantly
restaurants
and
a
few
food
courts,
including
two
locations
at
mit.
Q
We
have
diverted
424
pounds
from
landfill
in
these
first
four
weeks
alone.
Our
goal
is
to
scale
to
1200
pounds
per
week
and
we
will
expand
our
partnerships
beyond
restaurants
to
also
include
caterers,
colleges
and
universities
and
private
businesses.
To
achieve
this
goal
generally,
restaurants
have
been
happy
to
have
a
free
service
to
recycle
their
chopsticks
versus
throwing
them
away.
Those
that
have
declined
are
concerned
about
space
for
collection
and
sanitary
issues,
given
that,
as
a
small
business,
we
can
only
pick
up
once
or
twice
weekly.
Q
I
would
very
much
like
to
explore
how
the
city
can
support
innovative
circular
economic
models
such
as
chop
values,
I'll
also
say
as
a
private
resident.
This
hearing
has
been
amazing
to
be
a
part
of
and
to
hear
it's
so
exciting
to
know
that
we
are
working
on
all
of
these
things,
thrilled
about
curbside
compost
coming.
Q
My
wish
list
for
additional
services
are
styrofoam
and
small
appliances,
because
electronics
from
the
city
is
currently
all
technology
related
and,
as
already
mentioned
today
a
couple
times,
I
really
do
believe
we
need
an
investment
in
recycling
education.
The
guidance
I
think
is
inadequate
and
in
some
cases
contradictory.
So
one
example.
It
says
in
the
recycling
guide
that
milk
cartons
are
recyclable,
but
the
direct
research
says
to
put
milk
cartons
in
the
trash,
so
I
would
also
love
some
understanding
of
how
to
properly
prepare
the
recycling
to
reduce
contamination
and
ensure
it
actually
gets
recycled.
Q
A
R
How's
that
can
you
hear
me
nick?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
out
here
well,
this
is
exactly
I
am
a
resident
of
back
bay
and
I
am
a
co-chair
of
the
mothers
out
front
team
and
I'm
I'm
in
a
unstable
internet
situation
right
now,
as
you
can
tell,
and
so
happily,
sheila
berkus
and
betsy
peterson
have
already
done
our
mother's
out
front
testimony,
which
is
what
I
was
going
to
do,
but
I
do
need
to
say
that
this
has
been
a
fantastic
hearing.
R
A
A
All
right,
so,
I
think
jackie,
we're
operating
on
the
assumption
that
you
don't
want
to
speak
that
carolyn
artis
book
so,
but
thank
you
for
being
here,
jackie
royce,
is
another
one
of
our
local
advocates
for
all
things.
Green.
I
value
a
lot,
so
I
think
with
that
we're.
Finally,
at
just
a
few
minutes
after
five
o'clock
reaching
the
conclusion
of
this
hearing.
A
Everybody
who
testified
and
really
a
very
special
thanks
to
superintendent
coughlin
for
coming
and
for
staying
the
whole
duration,
which
is
you
know
above
and
beyond,
and
most
importantly,
just
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing,
and
I
hope
that
the
council
can
be
like
a
really
proactive
partner
with
you,
not
just
in
the
sense
of
us
asking
lots
of
questions,
but
in
the
sense
of
actually
being
helpful,
as
we
think
about
rolling
out
more
and
and
helpful
in
the
budget
process.
That
comes
up.