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Planning, Development & Transportation Hearing
Dockets #0379 Order for a hearing calling for District Increment Financing (DIF) to be utilized in District Seven.
#0413 - Order for a hearing to discuss District Improvement Financing (DIF) from Kosciuszko Circle through Morrissey Boulevard Corridor.
A
Good
morning,
everybody
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Frank
Baker
Boston
city
council
for
district,
three
I'm,
the
chair
of
Boston
City
council's
committee
on
Planning,
Development
and
transportation.
I
want
to
remind
people
that
this
is
a
public
hearing
being
recorded
and
broadcast
live
on,
Xfinity
8,
RCN,
82
and
FiOS
964,
and
streamed
on
www.boston.gov
City,
Dash,
console
Dash
TV.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices,
and
we
will
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
here.
A
You
can
sign
in
over
here
or
I
believe
we
do
have
some
people
on
Zoom
or
you
may
also
submit
written
testimony
by
emailing
CCC
planning
p-l-a-n-d-e-v
at
boston.gov.
Today's
hearing
is
twofold:
we
have
two
dockets
we're
going
to
do
they
both
they
both
discuss,
diffs,
deferred
incremental
financing.
If
I
have
that,
if
I
have
that
right,
one
is
docket
zero.
Three,
seven
nine.
In
order
for
healing
calling
for
the
district
incremental
financing
to
be
utilized
in
District
Seven,
and
then
we
also
have.
A
Docket0413,
in
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
District
Improvement
financing,
diff
from
kazuzco
Circle
through
Morrissey,
Boulevard
and
I'm,
joined
by
my
colleagues
of
the
CH,
the
sponsor
of
zero
three
seven,
nine
Council
Tanya
Fernandez
Anderson
from
from
District
Seven,
my
colleague
at
lodge
from
Dorchester,
Aaron,
Murphy
and
I
think
the
way
where
we
have.
We
have
two
different
sort
of
subjects.
Here
we
have
a.
A
We
have
a
proposal,
that's
a
little
more
baked,
and
then
we
have
one
for
district,
seven
that
I
think
what
what
we
should
do
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
console
you
this
is
this
is
your
thing,
but
I
want
to
be
helpful.
Maybe
if
we
could
talk
about
what
a
diff
is,
how
they're
applied
the
many
different
ways
that
that
they
can
that
they
can
that
we
can
capture
future
dollars
and
maybe
areas
of
Roxbury
where
will
would
be
appropriate
for
a
diff.
So
I
guess
that's
my
opening
statement.
There.
B
C
B
Chair
good
morning,
everyone
just
want
to
really
learn
about
this
more
than
I've
researched
and
understanding
how
it
works
as
counselor
Baker
the
chair
mentioned.
B
Just
specifically,
we
have,
of
course,
projects,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
candidates
for
contracts
in
order
to
execute
this
looking
forward
to
a
fruitful
conversation,
and
hopefully
we'll
take
this
somewhere
to
improve
our
communities.
Thank
you.
Council.
A
D
Laura,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
both
for
filing
these
on
different
districts,
but
as
an
at-large,
City
councilor
care
a
lot
about
this,
but
being
from
Dorchester
decades,
I've
driven
on
Marcy
Boulevard
and
have
been
most
mornings
I'm
in
that
kazuzco
Circle,
so
know
that
and
hope
to
learn
more
also
about
the
diffs
and
how
this
benefit
can
help
with
traffic,
because
I
know
one
of
the
community
benefits.
D
Oftentimes
does
include
traffic
remedies
that
many
of
our
neighborhoods
need
to
make
sure
that
these
housing
that
we
desperately
need
to
be
built
and
Development
Across
the
city
that
we're
you
know
supporting
our
infrastructure
in
ways
that
are
much
needed.
So
looking
forward
to
the
conversation,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
with
that
I'll
turn
that
over
to
whoever
wants
to
start
and
again,
let's,
let's
talk
first
about
what
diffs,
how
they
can
be
helpful
in
communities
and
if
we
can
cite
any
actual
gifts
that
we
that
we've
done
I
know
when
I
was
here,
I
think
it
was
in
14
we
did
a
diff
with
John
Hancock
on
Berkeley
and
something
I
think
we
did.
The
eyebrows
went
up
no
okay.
Maybe
that
was
a
different
life
or
maybe
that
was
a
dream.
I
don't
know
so
Arthur.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
Thanks
very
much
counselor
Tony
Fernandez
Anderson,
councilor,
Frank,
Baker
and
counselor
Aaron
Murphy.
Thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
us
to
today's
hearing
pleased
to
be
here.
My
name
is
Arthur
Jemison
I'm,
the
chief
of
planning
and
the
director
of
the
Boston
Planning
and
Development
agency
I'll,
be
sort
of
leading
the
the
first
part
of
the
discussion.
E
G
Good
morning,
counselors
Nick
arnello
Commissioner
of
assessing
for
the
city
of
Boston.
E
Excellent,
so
thanks
for
having
us
here
today,
just
to
sort
of
set
the
table
and
begin
to
talk
about
what
it
did
when
a
tiff
are
it's
a
tool
used
by
Municipal
and
state
governments
to
stimulate
economic
development
in
a
targeted
geographic
area.
They
can
Finance
development,
they
can
Finance
infrastructure
improvements
and
they
usually
use
future
tax
revenues
that
are
generated
by
the
economic
development
as
the
primary
source
to
pay
back
the
investment.
E
So
imagine
if
you
were
developing
a
project
and
it
had
anticipated
state
and
city
new
tax
revenue
revenue
that
the
city
doesn't
have
today.
What
you
basically
are
doing
is
borrowing
against
projected
new
income
from
the
state
or
state
taxes
or
city
taxes,
and
dedicating
that
to
invest
in
the
project
in
question.
In
Massachusetts
that
I've
been
worked
with
this
instrument
in
two
other
places.
It's
referred
to
you
as
a
district,
Improvement
financing
or
diff
it's
a
locally
enacted.
E
An
action
has
to
take
place
in
this
honorable
body
to
to
vote
to
do
it,
but
it
captures
a
piece
of
the
incremental
tax
revenues
from
new
private
investment
in
a
specific
area
and
directs
them
towards
a
public,
Improvement
and
or
economic
development
project.
It's
not
a
new
tax
or
a
special
assessment,
and
it
does
not
increase
the
municipality's
tax
rate.
E
E
There's
a
process
of
application,
but
most
projects
are
are
considered
approved
when,
when
ratified
by
their
their
local
bodies,
the
way
that
I
sort
of
talk
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
couple
of
variations
on
diffs
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
major
issues
that
comes
about
when
you're
doing
a
tax
increment
financing
is
the
whose
credit
so
to
speak,
is
being
used
to
make
the
investment
you're
borrowing
money
to
invest
in
something
where's.
The
credit
coming
from.
E
So
in
talking
about
a
recent
variation,
the
state
of
Massachusetts
has
a
program
called
I.
Cubed
IQ
program,
basically
is
a
lot
like
tiffs
or
in
Massachusetts
diffs
or
District
Improvement
financings.
What
what
it
does
is
it
the
city
state
and
the
development
interest,
will
sign
a
a
joint
venture
agreement
effectively
and
they'll
agree
to
to
repay
the
the
borrowing
and
the
borrowing
will
be
stood
behind
by
the
credit
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts.
E
This
is
a
way
that
the
project
gets
what
they
call
credit
enhancement,
allowing
the
project
to
get
a
reasonably
low
interest
rate.
One
of
the
key
issues
with
tax
incumbent
financing
is
that
often
people
will
present
a
great
project.
It'll
have
a
lot
of
feasibility,
but
then
the
credit
markets
will
look
at
it
and
say
well.
This
is
a
somewhat
almost
and
they'll
say
this
about
things.
That
might
surprise
you
in
terms
of
just
how
certain
they
are
well.
E
This
is
a
very
risky
investment
I'd
like
to
have
the
state
or
the
city's
backing
I'd
like
to
have
their
credit
enhancement,
to
make
the
financing
work.
So
IQ
is
a
program
that
allows
cities
the
state
and
the
developer
to
join
Venture
and
then
use
the
Commonwealth's
credit,
maybe
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
way-
and
this
is
something
that's
best
summarized
by
our
CFO-
can.
E
Well,
actually,
I'd
probably
say
a
counselor
Baker,
it's
better
for
us
if
the
in
some
ways
but
I'd
like
to
talk
about
that
for
a
second,
because
it's
a
great
question,
the
Commonwealth
Credit
is
is
good,
just
like
the
city
of
Boston.
E
But
the
key
thing
to
think
about
is
there's
a
lot
of
financing
costs
and
they
don't
seem
like
they're,
going
to
be
a
lot
when
you
start,
but
when
you
really
begin
to
add
them
up
they're
significant
when
you
are
doing
one
of
these
programs
by
way
of
example,
there's
a
joint
venture
agreement
between
the
developer,
the
city
and
and
the
state
there's
all
the
lawyers
it
takes
to
to
draft
that
the
finance
the
the
credit
worthiness
of
the
project
is
is
rigorously
evaluated
and
then
the
state's
credit
comes
into
play.
E
But
the
state's
credit
comes
into
play
after
the
developers,
credit
and
the
city's
credit
comes
into
play.
So
the
reason
that
this
instrument
is
popular
is
often
because
some
cities
that
may
have
a
different
credit
rating
than
Boston
would
like
to
have
would
benefit
significantly
from
having
the
state's
credit
in
play.
The
recent
history
of
of
Boston
using
using
these
instruments
is,
is
I,
guess,
I'd,
say:
there's
we
haven't
used
them
it's
the
short
answer.
E
The
long
answer
is
we
haven't
used
them,
because
our
credit
as
a
city
over
the
last
20
years
has
been
very,
very
good
and
again,
the
assessor
and
CFO
will
be
here
to
talk
about
that
in
more
detail.
E
So
what
we
typically
do
and
I
can
cite
a
few
examples
in
the
cases
of
of
the
Redevelopment
of
two
very
large
public
housing
developments
in
the
city,
where
the
Housing
Authority
would
come
to
the
city
and
say
we'd
like
to
use
these
instruments
to
finance
and
make
this
project
larger,
Bunker
Hill,
for
example,
or
Marielle
McCormick.
The
city's
response
to
that
was
to
say
well,
listen.
We
have
access
to
credit
markets
with
a
triple
a
credit
rating.
E
We
can
borrow
significant
Capital
under
our
general
obligation
Bond
program,
and
then
we
can
make
our
capital
investment
in
the
project
and
then
we
can
bring
that
to
a
negotiating
table
with
the
state
and
say
We'll,
invest
in
these
things
on
this
schedule
with
our
own
money
state.
Will
you
agree
to
do
invest
in
these
things,
with
tax
credits
and
other
resources
on
this
schedule
and
together
we'll
accomplish
the
assignment
along
with
the
developer?
E
That's
the
way
that
cities
done
things
recently
in
part
because
of
all
the
additional
transaction
costs
that
come
from
doing
these
other,
these
other
methods
and
the
fact
that
the
city's
strength
and
borrowing
being
as
strong
as
it
is
so
the
way
to
think
about
it
is,
as
we
approach
some
of
the
exciting
opportunities
that
one
of
which
I'm
going
to
learn
more
about
today
in
Roxbury,
another
of
which
Dorchester
Bay
City
is
making
its
way
through.
The
approval
process
is
conversations
with
CFO
and
assessor
about.
E
Should
we
be
evaluating
I,
cubed
or
the
other,
or
should
we
also
think
about
just
moving
a
general
obligation,
Bond
program
investment
through
the
capital
planning
process?
Those
are
the
two
ways
that
we're
beginning
to
look
at
this
now,
but
again
we're
trying
to
sure
that
we're
just
in
time
to
have
a
plan
to
support
the
critical
infrastructure.
That's
going
to
be
needed
to
support
the
Dorchester,
Bay,
City
project
and
I
think,
hopefully
other
projects
in
Roxbury
and
elsewhere.
E
That's
a
little
bit
about
tips
and
diffs
I
did
want
to
share
one
more
set
of
examples.
You
have
the
benefit
of
having
accordia
here
today,
accordy
is
going
to
present
some
material
that
we
we
looked
at
together
and
Monday
in
preparation
for
this
hearing
that
talks
about
the
specifics
of
the
Dorchester
Bay
City
site
and
its
developments,
but
to
highlight
a
few
places
that
diff
has
been
used
recently,
Worcester
City
Square,
if
anyone's
visited.
E
My
team
has
a
wants
me
to
not
talk
as
much
about
Worcester
as
I
do,
but
Worcester
has
been
making
a
lot
of
improvements
in
this
downtown
and
City
square
is
an
example
of
it.
They
used
diff
to
finance
that
Quincy
has
used
it
recently
in
Quincy,
Center
I.
E
Think
many
of
us
have
probably
taken
our
kids
or
other
people's
kids
to
or
both
to
Summerville
assembly
row
to
see
that
my
kids
like
the
Wego
over
there,
but
but
more
importantly,
the
entire
development
was
financed
in
part
using
a
district
Improvement
financing
downtown
Brockton
has
also
used
it
in
Union.
Square
is
using
this
instrument,
so
our
competitors
are
and
partners
in
the
region
are
using
this
instrument
in
part
because
it
has
specific
Financial
benefits
to
them.
E
They
may
also
benefit
us,
but
again,
the
recent
history
of
financing
large
infrastructure
projects
in
the
city
has
been
to
use
our
general
obligation,
borrowing
and
our
AAA
credit
rating,
and
with
that
initial,
offering
I'd
love
to
ask
if
the
CFO,
an
assessor
who's
work
I've
been
summarizing,
hopefully
accurately
would
like
to
add
some
comments
or
or
additions
to
whatever
said.
E
A
E
Primarily
for
infrastructure,
the
state's
been
the
state's
been
very
specific
about
the
desire
to
use
it
for
public
infrastructure
that
supports
development,
so
that
there's
sort
of
a
bright
line
between
what's
the
public
sector
and
what's
the
private
sector
again,
this
is
a
this
instrument
is,
is
great
and
it
can
be
used
to
great
effect.
All
around
the
city.
F
Thank
you,
counselors.
Thank
you
Arthur,
so
nothing
I
think
Arthur
really
captured
it
really
well.
I
have
nothing
beyond
that
to
add
I
think
as
we're
thinking
about
development
opportunities
throughout
the
city.
It
is
an
interesting
tool
to
have
in
our
toolbox.
Diffs
are
an
interesting
tool
for
us
to
consider.
As
we
well
know,
the
city
has
historically
leveraged
it's
Geo
Bond
capacity
to
do
Capital,
Investments
infrastructure
capacity,
infrastructure
Investments
throughout
the
city,
so
this
would
be
a
different
tool
for
us
to
explore
in
the
right
circumstance.
F
I
tend
to
think
about
wanting
to
make
sure
we
are
not
identifying
that
we
are
identifying
the
right
financing
mechanism
for
the
right
project,
so
you
know
happy
to
continue
the
conversation
as
we're
talking
about
the
specific
project
in
Dorchester
or
in
Roxbury
to
see
if
there's
a
an
appropriate
Nexus
there.
F
You
know
the
challenge
with
some
of
these
mechanisms
is
that
it
can
and
does
take
away
capacity
from
the
rest
of
the
city,
and
you
know,
policy
makers
can
make
the
decision
to
carve
capacity
away
and
focus
it
in
one
particular
area.
But
I
think.
That
is
why
we
have
traditionally
preferred
to
view
these
types
of
Investments.
F
You
know,
among
city-wide,
trade-offs
to
make
sure
we're
evaluating
needs
across
the
city
and
and
giving
ourselves
the
flexibility
to
apply
our
property
tax
and
our
borrowing
capacity
across
the
city
rather
than
carving
it
out
and
locking
it
up
for
one
particular
part
of
the
city.
But
again
it's
an
interesting
tool
that
we
can
explore
and
have
in
our
toolbox.
If
the
right
solution
presents
itself.
G
I
I
think
maybe
I'll
address
a
couple
of
points
there,
just
like
minor
clarification
and
also
to
maybe
make
it
a
little
easier
to
understand
the
acronyms
that
are
being
thrown
around
and
some
of
the
confusion
and
I
think
a
question
that
you
had
initially
counselor
Baker
about
whether
we've
used
this
tool
before
so
as
Arthur
was
mentioning
locally
in
Massachusetts.
This
tool
that
we
have
is
is
called
a
diff
and
it's
in
essence,
a
bonding
tool
and
a
way
for
us
to
to
generate
money
nationally.
G
G
G
Think
the
the
important
point
to
kind
of
hit
in
this
conversation
and
as
Ashley
was
mentioning
it's
it's
always
healthy
and
and
good
for
us
to
have
conversations
about
all
the
available
tools.
So
we
know
what's
out
there
and
what
we
can
use
and
then
we
can
figure
out
how
to
use
those
in
the
best
way.
Possible.
G
Boston
has,
thankfully,
been
in
a
really
good
place
in
its
recent
history
that
we
haven't
had
a
need
to
use
this
tool
in
order
to
borrow
money
and
we've
been
able
to
borrow
for
infrastructure
through
our
normal
bonding
capacity,
and
so
some
of
these
things
that
the
conversation
is
really
like.
Where
do
we
think
the
city
should
be
making
Investments
and
in
what
areas?
The
city
should
be
making.
G
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
definitely
have
lots
of
conversations
about
that,
I'm
sure
and
then,
once
we
identify
those
areas,
how
do
we
fund
those
Investments
yeah,
and
so
the
the
diff
part
of
that
conversation
is
is
about
the
funding
mechanism
and
not
about
the
the
investment
mechanism?
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
on
with
you
Ashley.
Can
you
use
the
term
Geo
bonds
is
that
is
that
different
from
a
transportation,
Bond
or
any
other
type
of
bond?
Is
that
just
yeah.
A
So
the
capital
is
all
we
go
out
and
get
bonds
pay
for
it
and
then
slowly
slowly,
buy
it
down
and
also
I
have
to
push
back
a
little
bit
on
the
city,
not
well
the
city,
capturing
for
one
particular
area
and
and
I'll
I'll
go
to
the
second
docket
number
here
for
a
second
you're.
Looking
at
an
area
that
that
traditionally
was
we
hear
a
lot
about
when
95
was
blocked
and
the
devastation
that
left
when
they
cleared
out
certain
neighborhoods.
A
Well,
this
enabled
here
with
93,
was
not
blocked,
so
we
have
neighbors
neighborhoods
that
you
know,
people
in
1950
were
walking
out
of
our
back
doors
and
walking
over
the
water
in
1953-54.
We
now
have
the
highway
on
top
of
us.
We
have
the
train
tracks
and
additional
train
tracks.
On
top
of
us,
so
I
would
say
for
the
neighborhood,
that's
being
for
lack
of
a
better
term
tricked
out.
We
should
be
able
to
capture
that
and
keep
those
dollars
in
that
neighborhood
and
just
we're
not
looking
for
all
of
it.
A
We're
looking
for
a
percentage
of
it
I
mean
I
honestly
would
rather,
instead
of
getting
into
a
long
drawn
out,
you
know
bond
that
will
be
controlled
by
other
other
other
entities.
That'll
be
spent
the
way
those
entities
want
I'd
much
prefer
10
every
year
going
right
into
a
Dorchester
based.
You
know
fund
that
that
could
help
us
in
Dorchester,
whatever
we
wanted
to
do
in
Dorchester,
but
that's
probably
not
an
option
if
it
was
an
option.
That's
what
I'd
like
to
go
towards,
but
I
think
we're.
A
But
how
do
we
Define
infrastructure
I
think
we
should
start
to
Define
infrastructure
as
our
people,
our
people,
don't
have
jobs.
So
let's
spend
money
on
job
training.
People
are
suffering
mental
health
issues,
our
kids.
So
let's
invest
in
a
field
house
and
then
we
can
start
talking
about
how
we
connect
neighborhoods
across
and
along.
A
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
my
going
ons,
so
I'm
gonna
with
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
good
counselor
from
District
Seven
on
her
ideas
and-
and
you
know,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
figure
out
because
Roxbury
has
a
lot
of
development
going
on
I,
think
it's
down
by
the
police
station
huge
amount.
So
how
do
we
capture
that
same
same
thing?
How
do
we
capture
that
revenue
for
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
the
future?
So
with
that
Council
Fernandez
Anderson.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
I,
think
you're.
We
can
all
agree
here
that
the
need
is
there,
and
this
is
a
tool
that
is
in
place
for
a
reason
right,
a
different
way
of
using
a
small
increment
to
make
changes
in
in
a
different
structure
that
otherwise
is
not
being
implemented.
So
we
could
do
it
through
bonds
or
we
could
do
it
through
tifs
or
we
could
do
it
through
the
general
funds
and
then,
when
communities
get
historically
disenfranchised
or
historically
ignored,
then
there
are
tools
like
this
in
place.
B
B
If
you
can
give
me
sort
of
the
layout
of
what
the
next
steps
would
be
in
terms
of
looking
at
like
possible
projects
for
mine,
of
course,
I
laid
it
out
very
general
in
terms
of
the
disinvestment
in
Roxbury,
the
need
in
Roxbury,
but
also
just
sort
of
like
the
overlap
between
the
jobs
and
the
lack
of
building
Equity
through
by
way
of
real
estate.
B
And
so
we
we
can
all
agree.
I
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
about,
the
numbers
Roxbury
being
the
poorest.
B
B
And
then
we
know
that
if
we
look
in
the
past
50
to
70
years,
Roxbury
specifically
is
historically
the
most
disenfranchised
community.
And
then,
when
you
look
at
Dorchester
too,
there
are
pockets
of
areas
that
could
you
could
benefit
from
something
like
this
and
besides
we're
asking
for.
As
the
chair
mentioned,
we're
asking
for
a
very
small
portion.
B
The
tool
exists
for
a
reason,
and
so
the
idea,
then,
is:
how
do
we
collaborate
again,
and
what
do
you
think
is
the
best
method,
the
best
way
to
approach
this,
so
that
we
can
do
this
collectively.
E
So
with
permit,
you
know,
through
the
chair
to
councilor,
to
Tony
Fernandez
Anderson
I,
appreciate
the
question.
E
I
think
the
there
may
be
a
way
of
thinking
about
it
is
and
a
way
of
thinking
about
it
would
be
to
say
if,
if
there's
a
project
in
your
neighborhood
that
would
use
this
could
use
this
instrument,
and
you
said
10
of
the
tax
value
of
this
is
equal
to
x,
amount
of
money,
we'd
like
to
borrow
that
at
at
an
interest
rate
and
then
invested
in
dubian
square
or
P3
or
one
of
the
other
hard
scale
projects,
or
maybe
even
another
project
that
is,
is
going
to
emerge.
E
It's
I
think,
frankly,
Nick
and
Ashley
would
say
hey.
If
we
do
this
with
a
tiff,
we
have
a
lot
more
lawyers
and
we'll
probably
get
charged
nine
percent
interest.
If
we
do
it
on
our
general
obligation,
bonds,
we'll
probably
get
charged
five
percent
interest
when
we
rather
pay
for
more
stuff
to
happen
in
the
neighborhood
than
pay
for
lawyers
and
the
the
additional
interest
cost.
So
I
think
in
terms
of
the
way
to
think
about
the
the
benefit
of
of
using
a
Geo
approach
versus
using
one
of
these.
E
Other
instruments
is
there's
an
interest
rate
benefit.
There's
an
interest
rate
benefit
that
the
primary
benefit
another.
E
The
one
good
thing
about
those
instruments
is,
it
brings
the
state
to
the
table,
and
so
I
should
mention
that
you
know
in
my
day-to-day
work,
I
had
some
pretty
high
level
conversations
with
Commonwealth
recently
highlighted
both
the
projects
we're
working
on
at
Roxbury,
as
well
as
as
well
as
Dorchester,
Bay,
City
and
I
feel
comfortable
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
them
to
the
table
to
make
any
kind
of
Investments
that
we
need
them
to
make
over
the
next
several
years.
E
A
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
but
I
think
the
the
interest
and
partnership
is
there.
So
I
make
that
point
to
say:
that's
one
of
the
great
things
about
the
instruments
is,
it
brings
the
state
explicitly
to
the
table,
but
I
do
think
that
you'll
get
better
value
from
Ashley
and
Nick
in
terms
of
interest
rates
and
credit
worthiness
and
and
they'll
bring
the
same,
probably
amount
of
money
to
the
table
through
the
general
obligation.
So.
A
E
I
actually
would
propose
something
slightly
slightly
different
I
think
you
should
Point
pardon
me
not
my
place
to
say
that
it'd
be
my
suggestion
that,
in
both
of
the
cases
that
you're
speaking
about
that,
you
make
a
special
request
of
the
capital
plan
to
make
an
investment
against
the
scope
of
work.
E
That
I
think
dick
did
in
the
audience,
but
but
accordia
is
going
to
propose
and
then
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson
as
the
development
ideas
that
you're
talking
about
take,
you
know,
grow
to
fruition,
I
think
bringing
a
proposal
that
I
would
like
there
to
be
a
capital
investment
of
this
amount
in
this
part
of
Roxbury
that
will
allow
this
development
to
occur.
I
think
that's
a
way
to
a
way
to
approach
it
again.
You
guys
run
the
capital
program,
so
I
don't
want
to
say
more
about
the
program.
You
guys.
E
F
I
think
I
think
to
piggyback
off
of
what
Arthur
was
saying,
I
think
what's
really
important
as
we
advance
this
discussion
is
identifying.
What
exactly
it
is.
We
are
trying
to
fund
with
this
mechanism
or
through
our
Capital
program.
If
there
are
infrastructure,
you
know
Investments
like
streets
or
you
know
the
things
that
the
city
typically
invest
in
that
are
needed
in
these
particular
areas.
F
I
think
it's
our
opinion
that
it
is
best
pursued
through
our
Capital
program
and
through
our
regular
Geo
Bond,
because
we
have
a
terrific,
the
top
Bond
rating
lowest
cost
of
capital.
For
us
simplest,
you
know
demonstrated
results
in
investing
through
our
Capital
program,
so
I
think
it.
It
really
matters
what
we're
looking
to
fund
and
then
I
think
what
I've
heard
councilor
Anderson
talk
about
is
also
sort
of
like
beyond
the
infrastructure
needs
of
a
particular
area
wanting
to
capture
some
benefit
for
things
that
aren't
exactly.
You
know,
hard
infrastructure.
F
You
know
programming
other
things
that
you
would
like
to
see
sort
of
reinvested
back
in
that
Community.
That's
off.
You
know
we
can't
bond
for
programs
or
people
or
things
like
that.
We
can
bond
for
the
you
know,
hard
hard
infrastructure,
so
I
think
it's
it
kind
of
depends
on
what
it
is,
we're
looking
to
do
and
that
really
matters
and
how
we
pursue
you
know
what
tool
you
know.
F
A
I'm
looking
to
come
up
with
a
plan
money
coming
in
this
is
what
we're
going
to
spend
it
on
and
we're
going
to
pay
you
back
with
with
the
with
the
tax
money
that's
coming
in,
because
my
neighborhood's
being
tricked
out,
we
want
some
benefit
for
otherwise
we
don't
want
the
development,
so
we'll
stay
there
and
come
back
to
councilor
Anderson.
Thank
you.
B
B
However,
when
you
look
at
how
the
practices
have
been
implemented
thus
far
in
terms
of
who
was
prioritized
and
again
like
these
conversations
can
get
sticky,
because
then,
when
we're
talking
about
historically
disenfranchised
communities,
we
of
course
are
not
talking
about
the
people
sitting
at
the
table.
B
It's
going
to
take
decades
to
repair
understandable,
however,
because
we
don't
necessarily
have
certain
advances
in
terms
of
speeding
up
the
process
with
how
capitals
capital
projects
are
prioritized
in
these
communities.
B
Last
year
we
saw
that
Roxbury
got
a
lot
of
you
know:
Park
improvements,
Street
improvements
and
I,
for
one,
of
course
appreciate
that
the
school
in
South
Boston
getting
a
renovation
or
a
brand
new
school,
beautiful
amazing.
But
then
we
saw
that
Mattapan
only
got
like
50
million
dollars.
B
Just
sorry,
District
three
and
district
four
only
got
like
54
million
dollars
so
of
course,
I
for
one
coming
in
new
and
figuring
out
budget
and
understanding
it.
For
the
first
time,
I
immediately
said
this
set
looks
like
an
overlap
from
the
previous
years.
This
is
not
Mia,
Wu,
saying
I,
don't
want
to
invest
in
matapan
or
Roxbury.
B
We
know
that
the
budget
is
coming,
but
we
also
know
that
it's
not
going
to
be
much
different
again
because
it
takes
time
to
be
able
to
propel
that
into
the
future.
We
think
this
is
a
tool,
and
we
also
believe
that
the
people
in
Roxbury
and
Mattapan
and
Dorchester
is
worth
that
additional
four
percent
that
because
the
city
does
so
well
that
this
would
be
responsible.
B
The
argument
may
be:
maybe
it's
not
the
right
time.
Let's
give
it
some
some
time
before
we
do
that,
but
this
is
exactly
the
right
time
right
now
when
the
city
is
doing
so
well,
when
we
understand-
and
we
have
very
Progressive
people
on
the
council-
and
we
have
amazing
people
in
the
administration
that
believe
in
this-
that
believe
in
fixing
the
harm.
Now
is
the
time
to
seize
the
moment,
use
tools
that
we
have
available
to
us
in
order
to
make
some
of
these
repairs.
B
The
council
have
no
say
so
here
we
are
if
we
can
get
to
the
conversation
about
moving
forward,
what
that
would
look
like
I
think
I'm
determined,
certainly
because
I
filed
it
first
and
Council
Baker
had
already
had
it
in
planning
I'm
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
conversation
about.
How
do
we
actually
execute
it?.
E
So
well,
through
the
chair
to
councilor,
Fernandez,
Anderson,
I
guess
I
would
say
one
of
the
one
of
the
downsides
of
it
is
and
I'm
happy
to
share
what
the
next
steps
would
be.
I
think
this
is
probably
part
of
it.
One
of
the
downsides
of
it
is
that
you
do
end
up
taking
the
growth
of
the
city
and
dividing
It
Up
by
neighborhood,
and
that
has
a
lot
of
risks
associated
with
it.
If
we
begin
and
I
know,
respectfully
I
understand,
councilor
Baker's.
E
B
E
Downside
is
that
Roxbury
would
have
the
growth
that
Roxbury
has
South.
Boston
would
have
the
growth
that
South
Boston
has
West
Roxbury
would
have
the
growth
of
West.
Roxbury
has
that's
that
it
would
divide
the
tax
base
up
in
and
the
incremental
growth
that
happens
in
that
District
would
accrue
to
that
district
and
and
stay
in
that
district
and
wouldn't
go
outside
of
it.
That's
a
risk
that
District
Improvement
financing
doesn't.
B
The
city
still
have
enough
responsibility
to
build
equity
so
somehow
implementing
metrics
that
measures
exactly
how
to
balance
that
out.
For
example,
if
there's
at
least
10
diffs
out
a
nightstand,
how
we
set
precedence
then
makes
an
example
of
everybody
else
is
going
to
say.
I
want
one
right,
and
so
I
hear
you
on
that,
because
that
big
pot
that
Nest
has
to
be
shared
for
the
entire
city,
but
that
big
pot
should
always
have
the
Equitable
lens
right.
B
So,
for
example,
if
every
town
got
a
diff,
but
because
Roxbury
has
less
development
and
Ed
Flynn's,
the
president's
Council
has
a
whole
bunch
of
development
billionaires
building
there
right
I
mean
I
I'm
assuming,
but
these
buildings
look
amazing
when
I
drive
by
and
say
that
those
monies
are
more
for
that
District
you're,
saying
there's
going
to
be
some
sort
of
disproportionate
there
like.
How
can
ED
Flynn's
get
more
we'll
get
more
investment
than
Roxbury
would
having
less
development
or
having
I.
E
B
E
Then
it
goes
into
linkage
goes
into
the
Neighborhood
Housing
Trust
and
the
workforce.
Trust
where
a
panel
of
people
appointed
to
represent
the
whole
city
make
allocation
decisions.
That's
I
think
that's
important.
Just
like
the
council
makes,
makes
decisions
and
participates.
B
E
E
Now
that
benefit
May
benefit
that
area,
but
it's
not
going
to
necessarily
going
to
benefit
the
that's
a
significant
amount
of
growth
to
to
benefit
a
single
area,
I
I,
don't
what
I
don't
want
to
do
in
our
conversation
today
is
something
that
I
think
even
in
the
way
I've
introduced
this
yeah,
where
one
city
we
make
one
city
decisions
together,
we
have
the
wealth
of
the
whole
city
to
invest,
think
together,
the
council
and
the
and
the
admin.
E
The
executive
branch
there's
definitely
enough
room
in
what
the
city
generates
to
make
the
kind
of
investment
that's
going
to
make
Roxbury
even
better.
The
kind
of
investment
is
going
to
take
to
make
Dorchester
Bay
work
and
attract
State
and
other
investment
to
both
areas,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
illustrate-
and
hopefully
it's
been
clear
that
is
that
there
are
trade-offs
to
dividing
the
tax.
E
The
growth
of
the
tax
base
up
because
it
it
means
that
we
have
some
of
those
conversations
about
Equitable
growth,
get
get
put
on
right
in
front
of
us
and
it
can
be
difficult.
It's.
B
A
sorry
last
comment
for
this
round.
It's
it's
a
challenging
conversation,
because
you
can
say
that
there
are
funds
going
into
one
pot,
and
you
know
that
the
person
responsible
that
collectively
we
will
be
responsible
enough
to
work
together
and
come
to
a
consensus
that
is
advantageous
to
everyone
in
Equitable
sense.
B
However,
what
we
see
as
proof
evidence
is
that
that
is
just
not
the
case
and
so
tools
like
deaths
or
tiffs,
or
all
these
other,
maybe
another
one
will
be
like
Kiss
I,
don't
know,
it'll
be
start
making
up
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
and
it's
like
oh
boy,
we're
going
into
the
right
direction
right,
we're
doing.
Equitable
things
we're
doing
beautiful
things,
we're
a
rich
city,
we're
gonna
fix
it.
B
H
B
We
are
not
advocating
and
we're
not
heard
right
and
we
are.
We
have
immigrant
populations
condensed
in
our
areas
who
cannot
Vote
or
be
integrated.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
such
affordable
housing
or
restricted
housing
that
concentrates
poverty
in
certain
pockets
of
these
areas.
So
there's
no
mixed
income
going
around
and
when
we
look
at
it
economically,
we
the
tax
in
our
area,
is
working
the
same
way
it's
the
Roxbury
is
not
invested
in.
B
B
A
You
we'll
come
back
tomorrow,
so
counselor
Aaron,
Murphy.
D
As
an
at-large,
City,
councilor
I
have
that
lens
right
and
that
balance
that
you
have
to
always
juggle
between.
You
know
neighborhoods
and
districts,
and
we
are
a
city
of
neighborhoods.
Our
neighborhoods
make
up
our
city,
we're
not
a
city
alone
and
then
neighborhoods
separate
right.
So
that
is
the
job
I
think
also
of
the
way
the
council
is
made
up
with
district
and
at
large
counselors.
To
really
have
that.
D
You
know
lens,
which
is
so
important
and
I
when
you
said
capacity
would
be
taken
away
right
and
carved
out
and
I
get
that
your
jobs
are
to
be
risk-averse
right.
You
have
to
keep
our
bonds
and
our
money
in
our
city,
so
I
do
appreciate
that.
But
you
know
when
we
build
a
new
police
station
in
East
Boston,
or
we
have
a
new
High
School
in
Fenway
or
we're
breaking
ground
for
a
new
fire
station
at
Mission
Meeting
House
Hill.
D
Those
are
in
particular
neighborhoods,
but
the
whole
city
benefits
right
when
new
restaurants
and
businesses
are
investing
in
High
Park
I
live
in
Dorchester
I'm
driving
down
River
Street,
more
right
I'm
going
into
those
neighborhoods,
so
I
have
to
push
back
a
little
on
this.
It
would
only
benefit
certain
neighborhoods
or
you
know
certain
businesses,
because
we
are
a
city
of
a
whole.
D
You
know,
you'll,
you
see
people
coming
home,
you
know
getting
on
the
expressway
to
go
to
High
Park,
like
all
different
neighborhoods,
so
I
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
a
city
of
neighborhoods
and
that
investing
in
those
who
have
been
historically
left
out
and
like
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson,
said
and
I'm
going
to
push
back
a
little
on
that
that
you
know
we're
going
to
do
the
right
thing.
But
in
the
budget
hearing
last
year,
I
heard
you
say
a
lot
that
we
didn't
do
the
right
thing.
D
So
it
is
a
different
tool
that
we
do
have
and
I
do
appreciate
that
we're
having
this
conversation
and
I
just
wanna
just
put
that
point
out
there
that
it's
so
important
to
not
think
that
we're
separate,
even
though
we
are
different
neighborhoods
right
that
we
are
better
off,
especially
with
you
know,
the
schools
investing
a
whole
lot
of
money
in
this
green
New
Deal.
We
will
be
building
new
schools,
not
in
every
neighborhood.
D
Only
some
will
get
them,
but
it
will
benefit
the
whole
city
right
when
we
put
a
new
fire
station
or
a
new
police
station
or
reinvest
in
development
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
I
do
believe
we
all
benefit
from
that.
So
we
have
to
use
the
tools
that
we
have
at
our
disposal
and
not
think
of
it
as
well.
You
got
it
so
you
didn't
that
if
it
overall
benefits
the
city,
then
I
think
we've
all
benefited
from
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
Thank
you,
okay,.
A
I
I
Awesome,
thank
you
I'm
very
interested
in
this
conversation
just
because,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
district
four
over,
like
the
last
five
years
when
he
camps
to
the
capital
plan,
had
the
least
the
least
tax
dollars
allocated
to
it
over
five
years
and
this
tool
or
any
tool
that
can
help
get
more
programming
or
just
investments
into
the
neighborhood
or
increase
dollars
to
build
up.
I
You
know
our
Parks,
our
our
schools,
our
our
are
just
libraries,
it's
something
that
we
truly
need
for
the
community
and
for
the
district
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we
get
there
like
in
terms
of
like
creating
responsible
policy
to
put
around
a
diff
to
make
sure
that
the
corrective
action
is
is
happening
in
order
to
uplift
these
communities
that
has
been
under
invested
for
many
many
years.
But
this
is
something
that
that
is
extremely
important
to
me
and
something
that
I
fight
for
in
every
capital
budget.
I
So
if
we,
if
we
can't
get
in
on
the
capital
budget,
then
I
truly
truly
believe
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
start
to
take
a
deeper
dive
and
look
at
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
in
a
responsible
way
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
corrective
actions
to
communities
of
color.
I
So
just
looking
forward
to
the
continued
conversation
and
I
guess,
my
one
question
is:
if,
if
it's
not
a
diff,
and
it's
not
a
tiff,
you
know
how
do
we
Revitalize
Mattapan,
Square
or
common
square,
because
a
lot
of
the
plans
that
I
see
coming
in
it's?
We
don't
have
the
dollars
right
in
order
to
execute
the
plan.
Mattapan,
like
those
those
plans
need
dollars
in
order
to
subsidize
the
affordable
housing
or
the
home
ownership,
affordable
home
ownership.
E
E
The
the
capital
plan
is
the
place
where
I
think
we
can
make
significant
Investments
to
support.
By
way
of
example,
the
matapan
Square
proposals
we've
made
all
the
public
infrastructure,
the
roadways,
the
sidewalks,
often
it's
a
project
in
a
specific
cap
development
project
that
sort
of
galvanizes
interest
in
in
making
the
the
kind
of
accompanying
infrastructure,
Investments
and
I'm
reminded,
for
example,
of
the
crosstown
project,
which,
at
that
time
really
galvanized
the
community
to
to
make
investment
in
a
key
intersection.
E
E
E
It
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
sounds
like
well.
Pardon
me
I
would
like
to
make
sure
everybody
in
the
public
knows
what
the
process
is,
so
that
we
can
understand
that,
because,
if
you're
feeling
like
projects
in
your
neighborhoods
that
need
Geo
support,
Geo
capital
investment
support
to
happen,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
talk
about
that.
I
think.
E
Certainly
the
projects
we're
talking
about
at
least
the
one
one
of
the
ones
that
will
be
talked
about
in
the
next
section
would
need
its
capital
investment
in
a
in
either
the
fiscal
year
following
this
one
or
the
one
following
that.
But
what
is
the
process
through
which
counselors
request
Capital
investments
in
their
neighborhoods.
F
Yeah
thanks
Chief
Jemison,
so
we've
met
with
all
of
you
over
the
last
several
months
to
hear
budget
priorities
and
that
can
really
run
the
gamut
of
things
you
want
to
see
happening
in
the
operating
budget
or
things.
You
know
particular
capital
projects
that
you
all
have
in
your
District
that
you
want
to
uplift.
We
also
work
really
closely
with
all
of
the
city
departments
who
are
implementing
these
projects.
F
They
bring
those
forward
in
the
form
of
capital
requests,
and
so
we
really
spend
the
first
couple
months
of
the
calendar
year
getting
input
from
and
requests
from
departments.
Hearing
from
the
counselors
and
hearing
from
you
know
other
stakeholders
across
the
city
about
the
the
needs
and
the
plan,
we
do
A
Five-Year
Plan.
F
You
know
there's
obviously,
in
addition
to
financial
constraints,
on
the
plan,
there's
human
capacity
constraints
and
how
much
we
as
a
city
can
actually
do
in
a
particular
year,
so
we're
balancing
those
needs
against
those
both.
You
know
financial
and
human
capacity
constraints
as
we're
building
and
deciding
what
we
will
borrow
for
in
the
upcoming
year
and
what
we
plan
to
borrow
for
over
the
course
of
the
five
years.
A
I
I
have
another
question:
yeah
and
I
guess
to
speak
to
because
I
want
to
see
the
bpda
like
plan
Mattapan
it
it
still
what
it
actually
was
more
investments
in
order
for
the
plan
to
be
executed.
Right,
like
you,
need
more
subsidies
in
order
to
get
the
affordable
housing
tonight
hear
from
the
community
that
we
need
more
home
ownership,
but
then
I
hear
from
the
developers
that
they
only
do
rentals
right.
So
it's
like
how
what
are
we
using
or
how?
I
E
E
You
know:
pay
new
pay,
new
taxes
to
the
city,
pay
new
taxes
to
the
state,
capturing
that
and
then
invest
I
mean
just
to
explain
how
I
think
you
know,
as
well
as
I,
do
how
it
functions,
taking
those
revenues
and
investing
them
in
a
developer's
proposal
to
develop
to
develop
housing
for
sale,
housing,
that's
absolutely
ineligible
use
of
the
funds
and,
as
I
think
I
was
saying
before
you
arrived,
you
can.
The
difference
is
Geo.
E
Debt
is
less
expensive
and
this
less
transaction
costs
than
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
things.
But
the
key
thing
is
around
doing
it
around.
Supporting
an
individual
project
is
the
the
key
is
the
key
to
it.
It
can
certainly
be
used
to
support
those
funds
can
certainly
be
used
to
support
the
all
the
public
infrastructure
that
might
support
a
for
sale,
affordable
development
in
Mattapan,
as
it
could
be
in
Roxbury
or
any
other
part
of
the
city.
E
We
are
with
you
100
on
the
the
need
to
Pivot
to
more
home
ownership,
specifically
affordable,
home
ownership
too
many
too
many
people
have
been
walked
out
of
the
ability
to
get
the
the
the
wealth
creation
that
comes
from
home
ownership,
and
so
hopefully,
you're
seeing
my
colleague,
Sheila
Dillon,
chief
of
Housing
and
others
pivot,
our
Focus
to
affordable
home
ownership,
because
it's
essential,
but
there's
certainly
going
to
be
developments
that
can
that
can
do
it.
E
The
the
key
thing
I
think
we
have
to
do
is
whether
it's
through
the
capital
plan
or
through
diff
or
IQ,
is
say
to
the
development
interest.
We
have
resources,
we're
ready
to
put
on
the
table
to
get
things
to
happen,
because
because
again,
projects,
Galvanize
neighborhoods
and
communities
to
execute
and
and
having
projects
come
forward
is
really
crucial
to
making
to
making
the
argument.
Okay.
Thank
you.
That's
what.
B
Firstly,
I
think
to
councilor
Murphy's
thank
you,
chair
to
council,
Murphy's
Point,
so
so
I
I
want
to
go
on
record
to
make
sure
that
I'm
consistent
across
the
board.
In
terms
of
my
message,
I
believe
that
we
have
a
good
mayor
who
has
good
intentions,
who
is
perfectly
competent
and
capable
of
executing
an
equitable
budget.
I
also
believe
that
it's
a
hard
task
and
I
am
not
qualified
to
judge
her,
because
I'm
Not
In
Her
Shoes
to
be
able
to
say
you
can
do
you
can't
you
shouldn't
you
doing.
B
B
You
have
to
be
able
to
begin
and
I
think
we
should
have
to
add
tools
such
as
this
communities
like
Roxbury,
Gets,
Lost,
In,
The,
Five-Year,
Plan
right,
because
we're
waiting
for
a
capital
plan
to
implement
itself
and
when
you
look
at
the
budget,
specifically
communities
of
color
have
not
been
invested
intentionally
in
the
capital
plans.
B
More
some
some
areas
I
saw
even
80
percent
coming
from
City
dollars,
whereas
in
Roxbury
for
example,
30
was
of
it
or
20
40
would
come
from
City
dollars,
and
so
that's
the
intentionality.
When
we
look
at
what
we're
prioritizing,
you
can
write
up
a
good
beautiful
plan
and
then
it
takes
us
10
years,
but
it
takes
Fenway
two
years
a
year
to
access
the
money.
B
That's
that's
a
huge,
that's,
a
huge
disparity,
and
so,
whether
intentional,
or
not,
whether
we're
paying
attention
to
how
we're
doing
that
again,
it's
a
conversation
that
we
have
to
have,
and
we
one
we
have
to
have
transparently
there,
for
example,
preservation.
The
community
preservation
act
has
committees
that
oversees
a
plan,
and
then
they
tackle
specifically
preserving
historical
or
cultural
landmarks
and
areas.
When
you
do
that,
who
are
you
doing
it
for,
then
you
have
communities
or
affluent
people
that
gentrify
and
come
in
in
Roxbury
as
well.
Love
Highland
Park
love
my
constituents.
B
However,
when
you
have
people
that
are
again
economically
integrated,
they
can
better
organize
and
have
more
resources
they
can
Advocate.
Then
they
can
do
things
like
unofficial,
moratoriums,
a
pause
they
can
Community
preserve.
They
can
get
designation
for
landmark
and
then
they
can
get
the
funds
to
repair
the
very
communities
that
belong
to
black
and
brown
people
or
poor
people.
Poor
whites
too.
B
Now,
who
are
they
doing
it
for
for
themselves,
because
now
they
are
in
the
community,
so
you
see
this
level
of
we
can
repair
here.
We
can
do
Capital
here
and
we
can
we
we
can.
You
can
ask
in
the
budget
so
to
respond
to
your
comment.
Actually
respectfully.
I
think
that
that
is
what
you
guys
want
to
do,
whether
or
not
it's
impactful
right
intention
versus
impact.
How
are
we
actually
getting
the
capital
asks
in
the
budget?
The
response
sometimes
is
well.
B
How
will
you
do
it
to
the
counselor
and
do
you
have
a
plan?
Do
you
have
the
developer?
Do
you
have
the
Architects?
Do
you
have
someone
who
wants
to
take
this
on
and
sustain
it
in
the
future
or
manage
it?
For
example,
if
I
ask
for
theater
in
Roxbury,
oh
well,
who's
going
to
manage
it.
Well,
isn't
that
victim
blaming
to
an
extinct,
I,
the
poor
representative
from
Roxbury
I'm,
asking
for
a
thing
to
build
quality
of
life
in
Roxbury
to
the
administration
for
Capital
Improvements.
B
The
response
is
that
my
colleagues
and
myself
most
of
the
time
gets
and
last
year,
if
you
look
at
the
capital,
I
did
not
get
not
a
single
thing
in
that
Capital
project
did
I
ask
for
a
whole
bunch
of
things.
Of
course
I
did
so
then
we
get
into
if
I'm
not
ready.
If
I
don't
have
the
resources
I'm
a
counselor
with
no
budget
with
no
discretionary
funds
to
do
my
job
and
then
I
simply
ask
at
the
mercy
of
the
administration
again.
I
believe
that
the
administration
wants
to
do
the
right
thing.
B
Then
you
tell
me:
I
need
to
study.
I
need
to
I
need,
I
need
to
go,
grab
people
and
consolidate
and
organize
that's
time.
That's
resource
and
I
have
been
doing
that
so
I,
look
forward
and
I
want
to
see
what
my
Capital
asks
turn
into
this
year,
but
respectfully
again
it's
a
process,
sorry
chair
for
taking
so
long
and
explaining
that
one
point,
but
it's
a
process
and
it
does
not
turn
out
in
the
way
that
we
wanted
to.
We
don't
get
our
asks
so
here
we.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
to
councilor
Fernandez
Anderson
into
into
Council
into
Council
Baker
as
well
and
I
know.
Both
of
these
would
be
impacting
your
districts
as
as
District
City
councils,
so
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
important
work
that
Council
Fernandez
Anderson
is
doing
in,
and
councilor
Baker
as
well
so
I
know.
The
first
part
of
this
meeting
is
is
basically
discussing
what
a
diff
is
and
then
the
the
second
part
we're
going
to
ask
more
specific
questions.
So
so
I
want
to
highlight
and
discuss.
J
You
know
the
importance
of
a
diff
and
whether
it's
in
the
Roxbury
area
or
it's
in
the
in
the
Dorchester
area,
but
Chief.
Let
me
let
me
ask
you
this
question:
how
important
is
it
to
have
State
officials,
the
state
government
and
residents
involved
in
the
process
involved
in
the
discussion
involved
in
the
decision?
Making?
What
impact
does
the
state
government
residents
play
working
closely
with
with
District
City
councils.
E
Through
the
share
to
council
president
Ed
Flynn
so
well,
obviously
they're
both
really
important
citizens
and
councilors
of
Representative
shape
the
the
things
that
we
do,
but
the
state
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
has
the
the
chance,
through
a
series
of
programs
to
really
increase
the
value
of
the
Investments.
We
make
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
IQ
program,
for
example,
is
really
valuable
in
that
the
Commonwealth
will
join
with
the
city
and
the
city's
credit
and
developers.
E
Credit
to
credit
enhance
the
whole
project,
so
that's
a
way
that
the
state's
important
I
think
again,
it's
easy
for
me
to
think
about
some
of
the
examples
that
are
here.
They
could
Finance
the
roads.
They
could
Finance
the
changes
to
the
public
way
or
or
Rail
stations.
All
those
kinds
of
things
can
come
out
of
the
combination
of
state
and
city
investment,
but
again
citizens
are
crucial
to
shaping
the
way
the
development
works.
E
J
You
Chief
and
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
both
of
both
Council
Fernandez
Anderson,
her
district
and
Council
Baker's
District
border
on
my
district,
so
I
know
how
invaluable
these
colleagues
are
in
this
discussion
and
and
know
that
they're
well
respected
in
their
in
their
District
I.
Guess
my
I
guess
my
point
is.
J
So
is
that
what
you
envision?
Also
chief.
E
Absolutely
absolutely
I
think
we
we
work
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
do
that.
I
know
we
don't
do
it.
We
don't
always
do
it
as
well
as
we
like
to,
but
that's
certainly
our
goal
and
I
think
in
structuring
anything
that's
going
to
invest
significant
money
into
a
major
project
in
parts
of
Dorchester
or
Roxbury
or
or
city-wide.
We
strive
to
have
Community
Voices
in
there
in
there
and
and
in
a
decision-making
role.
E
J
I,
the
the
only
reason
I
ask
is
I
think
I
think
that's
a
critical
part.
The
role
of
the
District
Council,
especially
as
it
relates
to
Economic
Development,
Transportation
quality
life
issues,
Neighborhood
Services,
Transportation
issues.
J
Certainly
bpda
plays
a
role,
but
so
doesn't
the
city
of
Boston
transportation
department
as
a
district
city
council
at
times
I'm
having
a
difficult
time
working
with
planners
city
planners
that
decide
what
they
think
is
best
for
transportation
in
my
district,
even
at
the
expense
of
Economic
Development,
even
at
the
expense
of
supporting
our
small
businesses
that
play
a
critical
role
in
our
city,
really
the
backbone
of
our
city.
Is
these
small
businesses
in
the
businesses?
J
They
pay
huge
taxes
to
Boston,
and
they
should
also
be
at
the
decision-making
table
and
not
not
being
not
to
be
told
what
the
decision
is
by
certain
city
planners.
What
what
that
person
thinks
is
best
it's
about
moving
the
economy,
it's
about
working
together,
it's
about
listening
to
District,
City
councils,
I
I,
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
stress
that
and
understand
the
importance
of
the
the
the
district
City
councils,
the
business
Community,
but
also
listening
to
the
community
as
well,
making
sure
that
they
that
the
city
planners
hear
their
feedback.
E
Through
the
chair,
Council
Flynn,
I'm
council,
president
Flynn
I'm,
very
aware
of
the
issue
you're
speaking
about
generally
and
also
specifically
and
I,
think
we've
we've
taken
an
action
at
the
board
recently
to
to
make
sure
that
there's
enough
time
for
the
the
specific
matters
you're
concerned
about
to
be
for
there
to
be
a
full
briefing
on
them
to
you
and
other
members
of
the
delegation
so
think,
I
I
know
that
the
consensus
was
reached
about
a
pilot
and
we're
a
pilot
program.
E
I
should
say
a
pilot
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things
in
this
at
this
table
and
so
we're
I'm
eager
to
sit
down
with
you
and
other
members
of
the
delegation
to
sort
of
talk
about
it.
But
I
I
think
we've
definitely
heard
you
and
other
members
concerns
yeah.
J
Thank
you
Chief
and
I
and
I
I
respect
the
work
yeah
doing
Chief
I
respect
the
work
your
team
is
doing
on
the
transportation
team.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
in
city
government
knows
how
important
a
district
City
councilor
is
to
any
process
whether
it's
development,
Transportation
quality
of
life,
Public
Safety,
a
district
city
council,
has
has
to
be
always
at
that
decision-making
table.
Nothing
against
my
at
large
councils.
I've
I
have
respect
for
all
all
four
of
them,
but
as
District
City
councilors,
you
know
we
we
don't
pass.
J
We
can't
pass
the
buck,
we're
responsible
for
the
good
in
the
bad,
along
with
the
mayor.
That's
why
I'm
stressing
this
point
and
I
and
I
don't
I,
don't
mean
to
just
keep
on
talking
about
it,
but
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
my
point
was
clear,
but
thank
you
Mr
chair
for
giving
me
an
extra
extra
couple
of
minutes.
A
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
my
experience
with
the
with
the
capital
budget
plan
and
I'll
and
I'll
cite
I'll
cite
a
particular
playground.
I
got
elected
in
2011,
just
out
of
my
term
in
2012,
got
called
up
to
Jones
Hill
shortly
after
that
to
discuss
a
playground
down
a
park
downstairs
that
was
on
my
very
first
list
budget
request
so
that
yeah
that
that
year
it
made
or
might
have
been
the
year
after
it
made
feasibility.
So
the
mayor
gets
to
hold
up
that
book.
A
Oh
it's
on
the
capital
budget
plan
feasibility,
that's
just
the
first
step.
You've
got
to
literally
be
like
a
dog
on
a
bone
and
go
back
the
next
year
and
say:
okay,
we're
at
feasibility.
This
is
still
important
to
me.
Now.
Let's
go
for
for
a
planning
study
and
then
the
second
year
is
planning
study
and
then
it's
fun.
The
then
the
third
year
would
be
fund
the
design
and
then
fourth
fifth
year
would
be
find
the
contract
to
fund
the
con.
A
So
it
if
you're,
hitting
everything
right,
you're
five
years
right
so
so
for
me
to
get
infrastructure
that
I
want
in
at
at
Columbia
Point,
which
is
the
field
house
which
is
job
training
which
is
being
able
to
connect
my
neighborhood,
you
know
a
neighborhood
that
was
that
was
left
behind.
We
they
put
up
walls
for
us,
it
was
for
people
to
get
through
our
city.
For
us
it
was
a
wall
and
and
I
don't
have
the
stamina
for
10
more
years
to
follow.
A
Okay
can
I,
please
go
and
please,
and
can
you
can
you,
can
you
adif
a
100
million
dollar
Bond,
that's
being
directed
I,
don't
have
to
play
the
role
of
a
district
city
council
or
the
person
behind
me
doesn't
have
to
play
the
role
of
a
district
City
Council
of
begging
for
to
get
from
feasibility
to
planning
study
to
to
to
design.
A
You
know
in
every
year
and
I'm
through
my
fourth
fourth
mayor
right
now,
so
this
doesn't
this
isn't
about
the
first
one
or
the
last
one.
Every
year
the
man
holds
up
you're
on
the
capitol
yeah,
but
that's
the
first
part
of
capital.
So
to
answer
some
of
the
questions,
you've
got
to
be
a
dog
on
a
bone,
and
if
you
put
something
in
the
capital
this
year,
you
have
to
make
sure
it's
a
priority,
and
next
the
year
after
that
and
the
year
after
that
and
the
year
after
that.
A
One
thing
that,
and
that's
just
my
experience-
I'm
not
looking
for
my
community
after
we've,
been
tricked
out
I'm,
not
looking
for
my
community
to
have
to
come
over
to
over
to
whoever
is
the
elected
or
the
bureaucrat
in
charge
at
the
time
and
beg
we
need
some
help.
We've
been
affected,
even
though
we
might
not
come
in
under
that
affected
communities.
A
We've
been
affected,
so
a
little
bit
of
homework
for
my
for
my
good
colleague
from
District
Seven
would
be
I
would
say
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
get
a
handle
of
all
the
projects
that
are
in
your
District.
That
could
be
helpful
with
the
with
the
bpta,
so
you
can
figure
out.
We
have
a
right,
we're
a
right,
diff
or
or
what
are
we
going
to
determine
as
a
diff
area?
A
A
G
E
This
thing,
okay,
but
projects
will
Galvanize
it,
but
counselor,
but
I've
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
all
everybody
up
there.
Although
Brian
I
think
our
meeting
is
getting
calendared
now
I've
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
everybody
up
there
I
know
you're
very
clear
about
the
products
that
are
important
to
you,
yeah
to
me
directly
and
otherwise.
So
so,
but
the
projects
help
Galvanize
the
and
drive
the
the
capital
plan.
E
I
I
hear
you
loud
and
clear
about
the
time
it
takes.
I
think
we're
you're
talking
about
big
projects
that
each
need
a
lot,
we'll
make
sure
that
that
we're
prioritizing
them
I
mean
again
and
our
store
we'll
make
sure
that
and
you
guys
can
speak
for
yourselves
but
we're.
We
hear
you
and
I
think
that
we
I
would
like
to
accept
the
challenge
of
showing
that
we
can
get
our
Geo
program
to
to
do
a
lot
of
the
things
that
you
want.
E
These
these
diffs
and
tips
and
other
instruments
to
do
and
I
think
we're
committed
to
wind
up
and
get
and
show
you
that
we
can
do
it
and
we're
also
committed
to
look
at
them.
I
know,
for
example,
if
we've
taken
hard
looks
at
icubed
in
the
assessor
and
CFO
area
and.
E
Yeah
with
the
state,
with
the
state's
credit
behind
it,
we're
committed
to
look
at
that
too,
so
at
least
I'm
I'm
committing
on
maybe
on
our
behalf
that
we'll
take
a
hard
look
at
it.
Okay,
so
I
want
you
to
take
away
from
this
that
we
are
open
to
what
you're
saying
we
believe
we
can
show
you
a
product
that
can
be
as
responsive
as
those
and
if
we
can't
we're
happy
to
look
at
the
other
things,
you've
described.
A
And
a
particular
question
here
my
colleague
had
talked
about
a
a
theater
in
terms
of
capital.
We,
our
capital,
is
pretty
much
again
we're
back
to
streets,
sidewalks,
Parks,
libraries,
a
theater
I.
The
way
I
would
go
in
in
after
so
that
would
be
in
P3
the
neighborhood
would
Advocate.
We
want
you
to
build
a
pe3,
and
then
you
we
want
you
P3
to
build
Theta.
So
how
do
we
use
Monies
to
help
that
developer
out
to
because
building
a
theater
is?
A
E
I
think,
through
the
to
the
chair
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
I
would
say
that
the
if
I
know
the
theater
about
which
the
counselor
is
speaking
in
Nubian
Square,
on
adjacent
to
a
development
that
Richard
Taylor
is
leading.
There's
a
a
theater
proposal
and
we've
been
talking
about
how
to
capitalize
that
theater
instruments
like
this
could
help
that
happen.
I
think
again
we're
gonna.
E
We
want
to
take
as
our
homework
the
ability
to
show
you
how
the
geo
geo
can
support
that
or
show
you
how
we'll
look
at
one
of
the
other
instruments
and
and
and
present
the
present
the
trade-offs,
but
I
think
we.
We
think
we've
got
a
competitive
case
to
make
to
you
about
the
way
we
can
use
city
capital,
accepting
the
challenge.
E
A
B
Would
be
good
if
you
love
it
that
there's
these
are
panelists,
not
public,
testimony
yeah,
so
we're
not
completed
we're
not.
A
K
K
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
this
committee
for
the
for
facilitating
such
a
thoughtful
discussion.
K
K
My
purpose
today
is
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
background
for
the
idea
of
implementing
a
conceptualizing,
a
Roxbury
diff,
so
I
won't
be
in
the
mechanics,
I'll
I'll
say
a
few
things
about
how,
in
parallel
with
what
the
council,
the
chief
of
planning
are
thinking.
A
group
of
stakeholders
in
Roxbury
has
also
been
exploring
the
notion
of
a
diff.
K
So
again
my
name
is
Philip
barish
I'm,
an
urban
planner
in
2019
and
2020
I
had
an
opportunity
to
serve
as
a
fellow
at
the
Boston
Foundation,
where
I
helped
to
Launch
an
initiative
that
convenes
Community
groups
around
the
city,
such
as
Asian
Korean,
Development,
Corporation,
bone
Geneva,
Main,
Street,
Roxbury,
Cultural,
District
and
others,
and
thinking
about
how
to
support
funds
and
build
power
in
in
communities.
K
And
the
Public
Finance
value
captured
rules
that
were
under
discussion
today,
including
an
alphabet
soup
or
diffs
tips.
Business,
Improvement
districts
and
other
tools
was
one
way
that
the
group
talked
about
mitigating
the
cultural
displacement,
supporting
self-determine
Community
goals
and
reinvest
in
in
the
social
infrastructure.
K
K
K
So
I'm
really
gratified
that
this
idea
that
germinated
in
2019
is
now
being
seriously
considered
by
the
council
and
by
staff
and
aperture
any
questions.
C
C
Absolutely
good
morning
my
name
is
Bridget
Wallace
and
I
am
a
local
Roxbury
resident
urban
planner
social
entrepreneur
also
was
part
of
the
the
initiative
that
Philip
mentioned:
Place
leadership,
Network
and
I,
and
my
colleague
Anita
Morrison
Matra
partnered,
with
the
Boston
Foundation
after
our
completion
of
place
leadership
network
to
explore
the
possibility
of
a
Roxbury
dip.
C
C
C
It
is
and
will
remain
our
Focus
right,
and
we
believe
that
establishing
a
Roxbury
diff
will
will
enable
the
community
to
move
in
a
self-sufficient
way
right
and
to
determine
how
it
grows
and
how
and
what
is
invested
in,
and
we
identify
the
three
areas
that
the
community
has
has
long
talked
about
as
I've
been
working.
C
You
know
in
Roxbury
for
the
better
part
of
20
plus
years
around
affordable
housing,
arts
and
culture
and
Workforce
Development
right,
and
we
think
if
this
tool
is
structured
in
the
right
way,
right,
meaning
capturing
that
Revenue
that
can
be
captured
from
the
development
that
is
taking
place
in
Roxbury
and
and
taking
a
percentage
of
that
organizing
a
governing
body
who
will
then
determine
how
those
funds
are
allocated
and
come
in
and
support
and
undergird,
where
the
the
or
or
how
the
areas
that
we've
identified
that
need,
support
and
need.
C
We
think
that
this
can
not
only
have
a
meaningful
impact,
but
a
last
long-lasting
impact
in
the
community.
The
community
has
for
a
long
time,
been
talking
about
Community
benefits,
and
we
think
that
this
is
the
type
of
community
benefits.
That's
long-term.
That's
impactful
that
centers
community
that
that
centers
Place
keeping
that
this
tool
can
afford
the
community
to
wheel
with
all
due
respect
to
to
the
Chiefs
we
have.
We
did
not.
C
You
know,
engage
in
this
work
to
hand
the
city
or
the
state,
another
tool
right
for
them
to
this,
to
determine
how
fun
that
are
that
will
be
available
in
our
community,
how
they
would
want
to
see
those
funds
allocated
right.
We
we
approach
this
from
a
a
community
centered
place
in
perspective
that
given
the
right
structure,
this
tool
can
really
speak
to
those
issues
that
we
we
have
identified
and
I.
Think
as
this
conversation
progresses.
C
That
is
the
that
is
the
vent
or
the
Leaning
that
we
would
want
to
see
happen
coming
from
the
city
council
that
we
look
at
look
at
it
from
that
perspective
in
that
place,
so
that
we
are
not
extending
another
tool
that
gets
us
into
that
cycle,
as
as
councilman
baker
has
said
into
that
five-year
cycle
or
plan
where,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
very
little
gets
done
and
we
want
to
I
will
I'm
sorry.
I
will
say
one
more
point.
C
C
Certainly
not
as
many
cranes
are
are,
are
visible
in
the
sky
as
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
but
we
do
have
an
opportunity
here
and,
as
councilor
Anderson
said
it,
the
time
is
now
we
have
an
opportunity
to
really
look
at
this
tool
and
take
it
back
from
developers
and
Center
it
back
into
the
hands
of
the
community,
and
so
my
push
would
be
for
us
to
continue
that
work
continue
that
research.
C
We
are
thankful
that
we
are
still
being
supported
by
the
Boston
Foundation,
who
wants
to
do
additional
research
to
ensure
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
diff
that
is
beneficial
both
long
and
short
term.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
listening,
Lisa.
L
A
good
good
morning,
it's
still
morning,
my
name
is
Lisa
Simmons
I'm,
the
artistic
and
executive
director
of
the
Roxbury
International
Film
Festival,
as
well
as
the
mass
cultural
Council
program
manager
with
the
communities
team
that
works
very
closely
with
the
Roxbury
Cultural
District
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
the
Cultural
District
program,
but
it
is
an
initiative
that
allows
communities
to
create
state-sponsored
cultural
districts
to
stimulate
new
Arts
and
Cultural
activity
and
attract
creative
business
in
an
area.
This
has
been
an
incredibly
insightful
morning
for
me,
I
didn't
know.
L
I
was
going
to
get
all
of
this
information
about
diffs
and
geofunds
and
capital
programs,
but
but
the
more
that
I'm
learning
about
it
and
hearing
about
it.
I
do
agree
that
you
know
I
am
I'm
a
lifelong
Roxbury
resident
my
grandparents,
my
great-grandparents
were
all
Roxbury
residents.
They
remember
a
Roxbury
very
different
than
the
Roxbury
today,
and
wouldn't
it
be
wonderful
if
we
could
bring
that
back.
L
That's
that
that
sort
of
that
feeling
that
community
that
sense
of
economic
stimulation
nation
into
Roxbury
so
I
know
that
the
diff
funds
are
and
really
impactful
economic
Tool.
You
know
I,
think
that
for
for
me,
as
a
as
a
director
of
the
Roxbury
International
Film
Festival
now
in
its
25th
year,
talking
a
lot
to
Richard
Taylor
about
building
that
theater.
L
There
used
to
be
three
theaters
in
in
Dudley
square
that
that
to
use
this
stiff
money
to
sort
of
ignite
arts
and
culture
in
that
Community,
we
know
jazzer
Bane's,
going
in
into
that
space
in
the
bowling
building
and
I
know
that's
taken
a
long
time
to
get
to
that
space.
I
know
that
we
are
very
excited
about
having
another
opportunity
to
be
in
Roxbury
at
our
own
theater.
L
We
have
had
to
move
out
of
the
Roxbury
area
during
the
festival
over
the
last
15
or
so
years,
because
there
wasn't
a
theater
that
we
could
actually
use
that
was
viable
to
present
the
films
in
the
way
they
should
be
presented,
and
we
do
work
a
lot
with
Hibernian
Hall,
but
that's
a
whole
different
structure.
So
we
are
looking
for
something
not
10
years
from
now,
but
really
looking
at
something
that
can
make
a
difference
within
the
next
two
or
three
or
five
years.
You
know
it's.
It's
a
it's
an
incredible.
L
It's
an
it's
an
incredible
space.
It's
a
it's
a
space
where
I
spent
my
childhood
with
my
grandparents
and
we
should
be
able
to
use
the
community
to
support
our
community
by
spending
the
dollars
there
and
supporting
a
sustainable
ecosystem
that
provides
opportunities
for
jobs
and
Community.
L
You
know
a
diff
would
provide
an
increase
in
Economic
Opportunity
for
black
and
brown
businesses,
individuals
and
families
by
making
this
kind
of
investment
in
a
community
like
you
talked
about
somerville's
Assembly
Square,
which
has
grown
exponentially
over
the
years.
They
have
gotten
this
incredible
opportunity
to
create
this
space,
and
it's
not
just
for
residents.
It's
not
just
for
Assembly
Square
residents.
This
isn't
just
for
Roxbury
residents.
It's
also
about
tourism
and
economic
development.
L
So
I
think
that
you
know
especially
roxbury's
Nubian
Square
could
provide
that
cultural
and
economic
benefit
that
would
provide
have
a
profound
effect
on
the
community.
I
mean
you
know
the
statistics.
You
know
that
the
average
resident
in
Roxbury
makes
thirty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year
with
53
making
less
than
71
000..
L
You
know
well,
Roxbury
is
perfectly
well
suited
for
a
diff.
It's
time
black
and
brown,
businesses
and
entrepreneurs
are
on
the
rise,
they're
looking
to
stay
in
their
neighborhoods
to
invest
in
their
communities,
and
we
should
be
offering
that
opportunity
for
them
to
grow
and
shine
and
create
all
of
these
connections
to
their
communities.
L
L
You
have
you,
know
gentrification,
you
have
people
moving
into
a
neighborhood,
you
have,
you
know
a
lack
of
affordable
housing
that
you
can
actually
own
and
that
you
know
what's
one
of
the
biggest
problems
in
Roxbury
and
so
I
do
think
that
you
know
with
the
cultural
center,
hopefully
being
built
with
the
theater
being
built.
There
still
needs
so
much
more
infrastructure
around
that
we
need
stores.
We
need
restaurants.
L
We
need
people
to
be
coming
into
that
community
and
understanding
the
rich
history
of
black
and
brown
people
in
that
community
that
reaches
to
Mattapan
right.
That
reaches
over
to
Dorchester,
that
is,
the
community
and
the
space
in
Boston
that
my
grandparents
and
my
great-grandparents
grew
up
in.
If,
if
we
have
to
wait
another
10
years,
that's
a
long
time
and
if
diffs
can
around
can
provide
that
opportunity
for
us
to
move
move
quicker
on
this,
then
then
you
know,
all
of
that
is
going
to
make
the
difference
right.
L
The
infrastructure
of
Roads,
the
connections
to
Transportation,
bringing
people
in
and
out
of
the
these
spaces.
The
black
and
brown
Community
has
disproportionately
not
been
supported
in
that
way
for
years,
and
if
we
have
to
wait
another
10
years
or
another
20
years,
that's
not!
Okay!
That's
not!
Okay
and
I
feel
like
having
sit
here
and
learned
so
much
more
about
diffs
and
the
other
things
I.
L
A
You
Lisa
and
Arthur
I
know
you
need
to
go,
but
if
you
can
stay
for
a
couple
minutes,
while
Kevin
gets
into
his
thing,
I
just
have
one
question
about
about
the
bonds
and
it's
pretty
easy
to
understand.
A
transportation,
Bond
and
I've
heard
talk
of
it.
I've
heard
it
mentioned,
and
not
in
these
Circles
of
social
bonds
and
now
those
social
bonds
are
they
a
thing?
Is
that
something
we
can
use?
Because
a
social
bond
to
me
says
we
can
use
it
in
building
a
field
house?
We
can
use
it
in
in
building
work.
F
Thank
you
counselor
for
the
question.
Yes,
a
social
bond
is
a
thing
in
the
sense
that
it
is
a
label
that
we
put
on
the
bonds
that
we're
going
to
issue
so
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
it's
not
something
we
get.
It's
something
we
offer
to
people
oftentimes
people
who
are
buying
bonds
want
to
invest
their
money
in
things.
You
know
you
hear
ESG
environmental,
social
governance.
They
want
to
know
that
they
are
putting
their
money
in
institutions
that
are,
you
know,
adhering
to
strong
climate
standards.
F
You
know,
have
have
a
social
backing
or
have
you
know,
good
governance
structures
right.
So
it's
not
something
that
we
receive.
It's
something
that
we
put
on
our
bonds
that
we
sell.
It
doesn't
create
new
capacity.
We,
you
know
we're
still
Bound
by
our
the
city's
debt
and
borrowing
limits
and
our
fine.
You
know
our
ability
to
repay
the
debt
on
those
bonds.
So
in
this
example,
it
would
be
something
it
would
be,
a
label
that
we
would
place
on
the
debt
that
we
are
issuing.
Okay,.
A
And
and
Kevin,
and
at
this
point
I'd
like
to
Pivot
to
to
the
the
diff
around
accordion,
it's
more
than
a
quarter,
it's
it's
it's
Center,
Court
and
also
Mary
Ellen
McCormick
and
in
that
whole
area
there
correct
Kevin.
That's.
A
M
A
bit
so
I'm
Kevin
Galvin
I'm
a
vice
president
at
accordia
Partners,
which
is
the
developer
for
the
Dorchester
Bay
City
project.
How
do
we
share
screen
and
go
through
the
presentation?
M
M
As
we
look
at
the
Columbia
Point
Peninsula,
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
parking
lots
and
a
lot
of
these
sites
are
actually
state
owned
and
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
that
we
think
should
be
improved
and
I
think
we've
heard
from
the
community
and
they
believe
it
needs
to
be
improved
in
our
analysis,
supports
that
are
also
state-owned
assets.
N
A
M
M
What
advances
it
to
a
point
where
they
can
be
ready
to
move
is
an
acknowledgment
from
the
city
that
there's
focus
and
there's
belief
that
this
is
the
right
project
to
focus
on
so
adif
I
think
is
a
is
a
more
flexible
tool
than
Geo
bonds
and
again
I
defer
to
The
Experts
here,
but
that
allows
the
city
to
be
a
participant
using
net
new
property
taxes
from
net
new
development.
M
It
can
play
a
part
in
kind
of
the
broader
strategy.
So
as
we
look
at
the
Columbia
Point
Peninsula
and
Target
JFK
UMass
station
k-circle,
rotary,
Morrissey
Boulevard,
and
into
raising
for
resiliency
improvements
and
the
coastline,
and
it's
raising
for
for
resiliency
improvements,
we're
not
only
making
improvements
that
support
net
new
development,
which
will
create
those
new
revenues.
But
we
support,
you
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
jobs,
a
lot
of
new
housing
in
in
a
lot
of
commuters
that
aren't
necessarily
functioning
on
the
peninsula.
So
it
grows
Revenue.
M
E
Can
you
show
them
the
I
appreciate
the
gesture
from
the
council
till
yeah?
Let
me
go
but
yeah
I've
seen
some
of
the
projections
you're
going
to
see
today.
M
M
These
Parcels
are
outlined
on
the
next
page.
It
includes
our
site,
which
is
both
the
the
old
Bayside
property,
which
is
owned
by
University
of
Massachusetts,
the
Santander
Bank
property.
The
other
sites
is
the
counselor
mentioned,
like
Center
Court,
the
B,
the
Archdiocese
zones
of
site
on
the
peninsula
as
well
and
UMass
owns
some
other
sites
that
could
potentially
be
slated
for
private
development.
M
So
this
presentation
is
a
year
old,
I'll
admit
that,
but
I
believe
the
number
and
I
can't
see
it
from
here
is
around
six
million
dollars
total,
and
that
includes
the
existing
Santander
Bank
site,
the
beat
which
is
being
redeveloped
right
now.
You
know
Stop
and
Shop,
Hub,
25,
etc.
Those.
M
Umass
studies
exempt
the
Bayside
site
is
exempt,
the
Archdiocese
site
is
exempt,
there
may
be
a
couple
others,
and
then
there
are
the
two
sites
on
the
UMass
Boston
campus,
which
have
been
slated
for
potential
Redevelopment
called
the
calf
pasture
are
obviously
exempt
as
well.
A
M
Are
some
specific
rules
around
this
and
I?
Don't
want
to
speak
for
UMass,
okay,
but
if
UMass
does
not
occupy
the
entire
building,
I
think
a
rule
of
thumb
is
it's
a
privately
owned
building.
It
pays
property
taxes.
Okay,
thank.
A
M
This
slide
shows
what
could
potentially
be
redeveloped
on
the
peninsula.
The
top
box
was
our
proposal
last
year.
We
have
since
updated
that
it
is
slightly
smaller.
The
bottom
boxes
are
other
sites
and,
and
we've
made
assumptions
as
to
what
the
development
could
be
there,
based
on
our
proposal
and
and
just
General
market
knowledge.
Since
then,
Center
Court
has
actually
proposed
a
million
square
foot
master
plan
project,
so
at
least
one
of
these
projects
is
now
in
the
article
80
process.
M
This
slide
shows
some
of
our
assumptions
related
to
you
know
how
we
could
structure
a
bond
and
the
first
set
of
assumptions
I'll
outline
is
we
worked
with
a
consultant
called
rkg
Associates
that
maybe
folks
in
this
panel
have
heard
of
to
help
us
determine
some
assumptions
for
future
projected
property
taxes
for
the
base
site
site
and
that
goes
over.
You
know
land
values,
it
looks
into
comparable
projects
and
what
what
they
pay
based
on
building
assessment
and
land
assessment.
M
Essentially,
being
you
know
an
interest
rate
as
the
chief
mentioned
earlier,
so
all
those
assumptions,
the
the
discount
rate
that
we
assumed
we
came
to
a
value
of
about
100
million
dollars
and
again
we
don't
think
100
million
dollars
solves
all
those
issues
that
we
described
in
terms.
A
M
That's
a
good
question:
the
100
million
I
am
referencing
is
what
we
believe
the
value
of
a
bond
could
be.
Oh.
A
M
M
In
a
series
of
panelists,
so
here's
a
series
of
cash
flows
based
on
our
our
phasing
assumptions
now
here
are
the
projects
that
you
know.
We
think
we've
heard
from
the
community
that
that
should
be
raised
to
the
point
of
you
know,
action
needs
to
be
done
for
for
all
the
development
on
the
peninsula
to
succeed,
including
our
project.
M
Many
of
them
are
our
roads.
Transportation
focused
Transit
focus
with
the
T,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out.
You
know.
Resiliency
is
a
big
opportunity
here.
M
M
So,
by
implementing
some
of
these
resiliency
Solutions,
we
could
tie
into
what
the
city's
planning
as
part
of
the
moakley
Park
renovation,
which
I
think
is
in
the
capital
plan,
I'm
not
positive,
tied
into
what
UMass
has
already
done
and
tie
into
what
could
potentially
be
a
project
on
Morrissey
Boulevard
and
protect
a
lot
of
folks
from
from
potential
sea
level
rise.
M
This,
maybe
that's
it,
so
this
outlines
a
series
of
projects.
Again,
we
don't
think.
Nor
do
we
believe
that
the
city
should
be
on
the
hook
for
paying
for
all
of
these
projects.
Our
advocacy
is
around
a
very
comprehensive
Capital
stack
that
could
be
built
where
the
state
is
the
major
player.
The
state
you
know,
pays
the
majority
of
the
costs.
Private
developers
contribute
in
a
meaningful
way
through
mitigation
funds.
M
We
think
icube
is
a
great
tool
given
all
the
net
new
jobs
that
will
be
coming
and
the
public-private
partnership
between
private
development,
the
state
and
the
city,
and
we
also
think
that
I
excuse
me
that
the
diff
is
a
wonderful
tool,
given
that
it
has
a
little
more
flexibility
based
on
what
we
know
from
typical
Geo
bonds,
given
that
these
are
mostly
state-owned
assets
and
the
potential
for
some
of
the
softer
solutions
that
have
been
discussed
already
today.
A
You,
and
does
anybody,
have
questions
in
regards
to
this
proposal
here
for
author
of
the
team.
B
A
B
O
A
B
Kevin,
can
you
please
explain
to
me
Justin
the
lamest
charm,
so
that
I
can
understand
the
numbers
in
terms
of
from
the
beginning,
to
the
end,
say
you're
in
my
seat,
exactly
where?
How
would
the
process
work
with
the
administration
and
the
structure?
How
would
I
structure
that
so
that
we
can
actually
get
a
diff
going
for
Roxbury.
M
The
municipality,
the
city
of
Boston,
is
empowered
to
propose
a
potential
diff
District,
where
the
collaborations
really
needed
is
with
the
assessor's
office,
with
the
CFO
and
with
the
mayor
that
it
gets
buy-in
from
the
executive
branch
and
then
there
needs
to
be
a
lot
of
collaboration
on
the
uses.
So
what
qualifies
as
something
that
could
receive
funds
from
the
diff
I?
Don't
think
it
could
be
as
flexible
as
a
grant
process
where
five
years
down
the
line,
you
think
here's
a
recipient
that
that
has
a
lot
of
potential.
M
They
want
to
redo
a
theater,
it
I
think
the
potential
set
of
uses
needs
to
be
determined
as
the
diff
district
is
proposed,
and
it's
a
bond
offering
you
know
there
are
private
investors
that
will
be
buying
that
Bond
and
they
want
to
see
where
that
money
is
going
to
go
and
they
want
to
have
a
sense
of
confidence
that
there's
a
way
to
pay
that
money
back.
So
I
believe
that
the
uses
need
to
be
established,
as
that
diff
is,
is
pitched
to
the
bond
market
for
potential
investors.
B
M
M
I
think
the
assessor
has
the
power
to
to
say
here's
a
special
district,
we're
going
to
carve
out
10
of
the
future
property
tax
revenues
of
net
new
development
in
that
District
to
pay
for
this
particular
thing,
I
think
that's
a
tool
that
the
assessor
in
the
CFO
have
the
ability
to
do.
I
don't
know
if
the
council
has
has
any
authority
to
jump
in
there.
A
I
think
we
similar
to
the
to
the
bid.
We
took
a
vote
on
it
that
signaled
across
the
hall,
but
but
again
we
could
take
the
vote
and
they
could
not
be
on
board
and
just
just
say
no
I
just
want
to
recognize
Council
Mejia
who's,
the
co-sponsor
of
our
first
docket,
which
is
zero.
Three
seven,
nine,
a.
A
Are
you
you
were
in
your
questioning?
So
if
you
want
to
continue,
then
we'll
come
back
to
councilman
here.
Yes,.
B
No
I
I
think
you
know
in
researching
Worcester
and
Somerville.
We
couldn't
find
anything
that
showed
that
the
council
could
actually
create
some
sort
of
code.
B
It
was
unclear
because
we
do
know
it
lives
right
now
and
as
a
legislative
as
a
legislative
in
at
a
state
level,
but
we
I
couldn't
find
anything
to
show
like
how
exactly
it's
structured,
but
if
it's
just
a
decision
on
their
part
and
if
we're
just
going
on
record
to
pass
a
resolution,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
they
could
say
yeah.
So
what
we
don't
agree
and
so
that
it's
it
seems
it
see,
it
seems
a
mood
because
we
do
they
have
an
interest
to
protect.
You
know
their
bonding
rate.
B
You
know
ratings
and
stuff
like
that,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
it
would
go
other
than
I.
Guess
asking
you
for
recommendations
in
terms
of
incentivizing,
the
administration
to
collaborate.
M
I
think,
ultimately,
that's
where
we're
going
to
end
up
is,
is
it
a
recommendation?
Is
the
most
we
can
do
and
and
elevating
it
to.
You
know
we
believe
in
this
strongly,
but
also
you
know
the
point
we
heard
around
the
theater
or
on
Zoom
Roxbury
is
the
most
developable
Parcels
available
in
the
city
of
Boston.
M
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
net
new
tax
revenue,
so
I
think
establishing
a
plan,
an
area
estimating
those
potential
revenues
carving
out
what
you
think
is
a
potential
Baseline
to
support
the
diff,
whether
it's
ten
percent
of
those
taxes,
five
percent
of
those
taxes
establishing
a
set
of
potential
uses
having
a
plan
in
place
that
says
here
it
is,
is
a
good
way
to
advocate
for
for
the
deaf,
rather
than
you
know,
a
general
advocacy
I
think
I
think
it
needs
to
be
Advanced
with
some
detail
and
support
so
that
the
CFO,
the
assessor,
can
look
at
numbers
and
determine
whether
or
not
that
will
impact
the
balance
sheet
in
a
negative
way.
M
B
B
I
felt
it
would
be
better
to
present
it
first
on
the
advocacy
level
and
talk
about
it,
because
it's
a
concept
that
may
be
new
to
a
lot
of
the
counselors
and
as
you
see,
we
didn't
get
good
attendance
today,
but
I
feel
like
we
could
try
to
encourage
them
and
better
organize
to
get
more
people
on
the
table
and
in
the
room
to
figure
out
exactly
you
know.
Looking
at
the
plan
we've
been
working
for
the
placement,
Studio
Place,
keeping
Studios
and
Harvard
Boston
Foundation.
B
They
did
this
place,
keeping
cohort
and
then
also
I've
been
working
with
Northeastern
for
over
a
year
now
on
the
plan.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
work
and
research.
That's
already
gone
into
this,
and
this
is
what
I
mean
about
exacerbating
a
disenfranchised
communities,
resources
to
force
them
to
say
well,
you're,
not
ready,
you
don't
have
a
plan
and
then
you
don't
actually
get
your
Capital
ask
and
even
when
it's
in
there
it
doesn't
actualize
over
a
decade
or
if
you're
lucky.
B
So
that's
all
I
have
chair
but
it'd
be
wonderful
to
collaborate
with
you
and
look
at
what
your
work
where
you,
how
far
you've
gotten
with
your
work
so
far
and
see.
If
somehow
you
can
support
us
in
adding
to
the
anti-displacement
plan
that
we
have
for
Roxbury.
A
Absolutely
yeah
and
and
we'll
definitely
do
working
sessions,
so
we
can
figure
it
out.
I
think
our
I
do
believe.
We
do
have
involvement
there
like
it,
wouldn't
move
forward.
I
believe
we
do
have
to
take
them
open,
I'm,
not
totally
sure
on
that
and
in
the
working
session.
I'll
have
that
for
you
councilman
here.
Would
you
like
to
opening
statement
or
questions
or
whatever
you
have.
N
So,
thank
you
to
my
colleagues.
I
apologize
for
being
late,
I
had
another
commitment
that
I
had
to
be
at
so,
but
I
made
my
way
here,
not
just
because
I'm
a
co-sponsor
of
this,
but
also
because
I
think
it's
an
important
conversation
for
me
to
also
get
myself
well
acclimated
and
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
kind
of
what
what
are
all
the
pathways
and
all
the
different
tools
that
we
can
use
to
help.
N
Keep
our
people
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
so
really
wanted
to
come
in
to
listen
and
learn
and
I'll
be
watching
the
tape
to
get
myself
up
to
speed.
I
I
see
that
you
know.
Other
cities
have
done
this.
You
know
I
I
meant
in
the
hearing
order.
We
meant
we
point
to
Brockton,
we
point
to
Somerville
and
that
Boston
has
not
caught
up
then
I'm
just
curious,
and
if
you
have
already
addressed
this
I
apologize.
N
N
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
who
I'm
talking
to
because
I'm
asking
you
questions
that
you
probably
will
never
be
able
to
answer
so
I
don't
want
to
make
you
uncomfortable.
So,
let's
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
Dorchester
Bay
right
in
terms
of
just
like
the
planning
and
and
the
outcome.
N
I
I
always
am
curious
about
the
return
on
investment
for
any
project
that
we
invest
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
return
on
investment,
not
just
in
terms
of
housing,
but
also
work,
Force
opportunities
and
also
economic
empowerment.
Can
you
just
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
how
your
model
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
at
Dorchester
Bay
kind
of
mirrors?
Some
of
this
potential
conversation
that
we're
having
here
is
there
a
connection
between
the
two.
M
Absolutely
I
think
that
to
support
public
financing,
there
needs
to
be
an
analysis
on
the
return
on
investment.
The
diff
conversation
is
pretty
specific
relative
to
property
taxes
and
new
projects,
but
what
we
were
discussing
is
how
do
we
get
the
state
to
be
a
partner
in
some
of
these
things
as
well
and
for
the
state?
M
Their
focus
is
going
to
be
on
jobs
and
and
food
and
beverage
taxes
and
sales
taxes,
so
I
think
there's
a
very
direct
connection
with
the
job
creation
opportunities,
the
high-paying
job
creation
opportunities
at
Georgia,
Bay
City,
both
in
construction,
we're,
estimating
15,
000
jobs
and
in
impermanent
employment.
Those
are
very
serious.
You
know
Revenue
enhancements
for
the
state
and
real
job
opportunities
for
for
citizens
of
Boston.
N
Thank
you
and
one
last
question
and
I'm
just
this
is
just
out
of
curiosity.
You
know
it.
We
talk
about
here
in
the
hearing
order
that
only
26
of
Roxbury
residents
own
their
homes,
which
we
know
that
we
keep
talking
about
more
affordable
housing
as
a
pathway
to
help
address
the
housing
crisis
that
we
find
ourselves
in.
N
But
can
you
just
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
as
we
continue
to
move
through
conversations
of
development,
where
what
do
you
see
as
the
right
balance
for
keeping
people
housed,
but
also
creating
opportunities
for
wealth
generating
opportunities?
M
Terms
of
giving
an
opinion
on
the
balance,
you
know
I'm
not
sure
from
a
advocacy
standpoint.
We
certainly
believe
that
there
is
an
opportunity
for
more
advocacy
around
home
ownership
opportunities,
particularly
for
residents
of
color,
and
shortening
that
racial
wealth,
Gap
Kirk
cites
on
our
team,
who
I
know
you
know,
was
part
of
the
Boston
fed
when
the
color
of
wealth
report
came
out
and
that
disparity
became
so
clear.
M
I
will
say
that
on
the
project
level,
for
our
project,
we're
trying
to
propose
a
very
close
connection
with
Maha
Massachusetts,
affordable
housing,
Alliance
to
support
their
home
ownership
fund,
and
that
directly
goes
to
grants
to
help
first-time
homebuyers,
where
a
vast
vast
majority
I
think
93
percent
are
residents
of
Boston.
Almost
all
of
them
are
are
people
of
color,
but
part
of
that
advocacy
is
also
to
say:
how
can
we
have
some
of
the
affordable,
affordable
housing
opportunities
in
our
city?
M
Be
more
homeownership
opportunities,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
can
give
an
opinion
on
on
the.
A
Right
balance:
that's
money
Kevin!
This
we've
we
got
500
million
dollars
in
apple
money.
We
need
to
take
that
money
and
real
dollar
is
not
in
increments.
We
need
to
take
5
million
at
a
time
and
give
it
to
private
development,
so
they
can
augment
so
they
can
lower
their
bottom
line
and
be
able
to
sell
at
prices
that
are
within
the
Amis.
The
way
we're
doing
it
now
the
amount
of
paperwork
that
everybody
has
to
go
through
to
get
tax.
A
What's
it
I
can't
think
of
it
anyway,
so
the
to
play
the
tax
game
or
to
get
or
to
get
money
from
the
city,
the
safe,
absolutely
ridiculous,
absolutely
ridiculous
it
there
needs
to
be
real
money.
Doll
is
front
loading
programs
at
a
building,
25
units,
40
units,
100
units,
front
loading
them,
so
so
we
can
scale
back
on
the
price
in
the
back
end.
That's
the
only
way
to
it's.
The
only
way
to
do
it
is
to
is
to
give
money
to
the
developments
that
are
happening
in
smaller
developments.
A
N
Thank
you,
counselor
Baker
I
appreciate
your
honesty.
It's
one
of
the
things
that
I
so
much
appreciate
about
you,
I
and
I
will
Concur
and
agree
that
you
know
it
feels
like
we're
trying
to
crack
The
Da
Vinci
Code
when
we're
trying
to
make
anything
happen
here
in
the
city
of
Boston.
There
are
so
many
different
Hoops
that
we
need
to
jump
through
just
to
like
get
in
line
to
ask
a
question
like
I.
Just
I
just
feel
like.
N
We
definitely
need
to
do
a
better
job
at
streamlining
processes
so
that
we
can
make
it
easier
for
people
to
be
able
to
build
and
to
stay
and
I
also
think,
at
the
same
time
that
we
are
in
a
very.
We
have
a
unique
opportunity
and
I
am
really
even
though
I'm.
N
Only
in
my
third
year
in
office,
I
have
learned
a
lot
about
how
the
City
Works
or
doesn't
work
and
I
think
that
that
is
really
where
the
opportunity
lies
in
terms
of
how
do
we
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
without
leaving
anyone
behind,
and
that
is
the
conversation
that
I
continue
to
want
to
be
engaged
in,
because
otherwise
we're
always
going
to
be
doing
this
and
no
one's
going
to
get
where
they
need
to
go
right
and
so
I'm
encouraged
by
not
only
having
this
as
as
a
starting
point
in
terms
of
being
able
to
have
working
sessions
and
to
really
dive
deeper
so
that
we
can
figure
out.
N
How
do
we
get
to
a
win
where
no
one
feels
like
they
lost
something
which
is
what
is
the
hardest
thing
to
do
here
in
Boston
period,
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I'll
just
say
and
I'll
just
uplift
them,
because
you
just
mentioned
him
is
Kurt
Sykes.
His
wife
was
his
former
wife
was,
is
Karen,
James
Sykes
and
she
used
to
work
at
the
private
Boston,
Industry
Council
and
because
of
her
I
got
my
first
job
in
the
80s
through
the
pick
program.
N
So
that
is
the
reason
why
probably
I
give
Kurt
such
a
pass,
because
his
wife
was
so
instrumental
in
creating
opportunities.
For
me
when
I
was
when
I
was
in
high
school,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
you
being
here
with
us
and
I'm
not
going
to
hog
up
the
mic
just
because
I
have
it.
I
I
did
come
in
late
and
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
time,
and
just
wanted
to
thank
my
colleagues
for
allowing
me
to
participate
in
this
process.
Thank
you.
A
So
one
of
the
issues
that
I'm
having
Kevin
is,
if,
if,
if
we
go
down
this
path,
where
we
get
a
bond,
not
that
we
don't
need
infrastructure
improvements
and
not
that
we
don't
need
resiliency
and
not
that
Mount
Vernon
Street
needs
to
get
done
over,
but
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
that
that
the
community
has
that
wraps
around.
A
This
is
accessibility
to
the
actual
project,
where
we're
blocked
by
a
kazuzco
circle,
State
we're
blocked
by
the
highway
Federal
we're
blocked
by
the
train
station
State
we're
blocked
by
Morrissey
Boulevard
state.
So
why
would
we
the
city
me?
The
district
city
council
go
for
a
100
million
dollar
Transportation
bomb
when
it
goes
into
all
state
State
state
things
the
state
should
be
responsible
for
when
I
think
our
need,
I
think
our
need
and
we
need
to
look
at
infrastructure
different
from
sidewalks
roads
and
bridges.
A
I
want
the
definition
of
infrastructure
to
be
my
people,
so
we
can
put
money
into
the
into
the
field
house
and
build
the
field,
though
so
we
can
put
real
dollars
into
it
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
do
absolutely
wrong
is
the
way
we
do
job
training.
We
don't
we
don't
have.
We
have
Madison
Park
High
School,
but
we
don't
have
those
smaller
neighborhood
centered
places
where
people
can
stop
in
and
the
first
thing
is
and
say:
okay,
yeah
go
fill
out
that
35
page
application
on
a
computer.
A
Someone
says
that
to
me
I'm
20
years
old,
looking
for
a
job
I'm
like
all
right,
I'll
see
you
later
I'm
I'm
out,
you
know,
so
we
need
to
build
that
infrastructure.
So
how
do?
How
do
we
with
this
opportunity
here?
You've
stated
we're
going
for
many
and
just
rough
numbers,
six
million
in
in
real
estate
taxes
now
to
upwards
of
150
million.
So
that's
a
140
million
extra
will
have
in
in
10
years
and
yeah
I
do
think.
10
of
that
should
stay
in
that
in
that
area.
A
Whatever
that
area
is
defined,
as
you
know,
we
have
Dorchester,
we
have,
we
have
South
Boston,
we
have.
We
have.
You
know.
Mattapan
comes
through
that
area.
Quincy
comes
through
that
area,
we're
going
to
South
Boston.
Basically,
the
the
infrastructure
that
we
build
is
going
to
be
city-wide
infrastructure.
A
Is
that
something
that's
been
done
and
again
a
social
Bond?
What
is
a
social,
Bond
and
I
know?
This
is
a
little
off
your
your
whole
thing,
but
have
you
in
your
many
years
seen
this
seen
this
applied
any
place.
M
I
can't
list
an
example
of
a
a
diff
associated
with
with
tax
revenues
being
used
to
support
a
very
specific
job
streaming
program.
I,
don't
say
that
to
say
it's,
it
can't
be
done,
I
just
can't
reference
any
examples,
I
think
typically
It's
associated
with
you
know
a
revenue
enhancement,
opportunity
I.E,
this
improved
Road.
This
renovated
train
station
will
lead
to
the
unlocking
of
a
development
which
will
unlock
x
amount
of
jobs,
Associated
tax
revenues
and
x
amount
of
property
taxes
with
that
new
income
stream
coming
to
the
city.
M
A
When
on
in
on
a
100
million
dollar
Bond
whatever
it
is,
whether
it's
Transportation
social,
the
100
million,
is,
is
obviously
in
your
plan
that
we,
you
talked
about.
Obviously
it's
known
before
the
100
million
is
on
the
table
where
it's
going
to
be
spent,
so
it's
not
like.
Oh
let's
spend
it
over
there.
Let's
spend
it
all.
So
we
know
exactly
where
it's
going
so
you're
saying
those.
If
there's
agreements
in
place,
there's
a
potent
the
potential
of
doing
things
like
that
I
want
to
do.
A
Okay,
I
do
have
a
couple
more
things,
but
do
do
you
have
any
more
questions
so
Kevin.
B
Don't
I
don't
have
questions,
but
just
a
statement
to
wrap
up
honestly.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair,
I
I
actually
have
to
say,
like
I,
really
do
appreciate
your
style
of
facilitation,
because
it
offers
a
different
way
of
communication.
B
Typically
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
Robert's
Rules
or
the
standard
that
we
use
here.
The
backdrop
feels
culturally
insensitive
to
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
and
as
if,
especially
for
our
panels
or
Community
panels,
and
then
for
folks
that
have
statements
or
questions
sometimes
most
of
the
times.
B
Community,
organizers
and
Advocates
have
better
questions
than
we
do
because
they're
on
the
ground
and
they
are
close
to
the
work
and
they're
hyper
focused
on
that
on
that
job
or
that
that
project
and
so
I
I
really
do
appreciate
this
style
and
something
to
consider
moving
forward
with
Ways
and
Means
Committee,
with
all
of
my
probably
about
50
or
more
hearings
and
working
sessions,
but
looking
forward
to
hopefully
assimilating
some
of
your
style
in
that,
because
it's
a
better
way
of
communicating
it's
clear,
it's
concise
and
it
allows
more
flexibility
for
us
to
go
back
and
forth.
A
That
and
as
we
move
forward,
if
it's
okay
with
you,
the
working
sessions,
I'd
like
to
keep
them
together
because
they're
very
similar
and
we're
trying
to
do
the
the
basically
the
same
thing,
it's
good.
You
know.
So
if
we
have
the
hearings,
I'll
post,
both
the
working
sessions,
I'll
post,
post,
both
docket
numbers,
but
the
content
is
going
to
be.
You
know
what
the
content
is
we'll
do
it
similar.
B
To
this
to
to
just
to
add
to
that,
then
that
I
think
you
know,
we
know
that
it's
flexible.
We
know
that,
as
you
said,
it's
more
flexible
than
Geo
program.
B
We
know
that
it
can
be
people-centered
and
that
we
know
that
historically
or
traditionally,
developers
have
used
this
tool,
but
we
think
that
people
can
also
use
this
tool.
Community
can
use
this
tool
to
be
able
to
focus
more
on
programmatic
issues,
and
the
problem
is
when
we
do
just
development.
As
to
the
chair's
point,
you
can
build
infrastructure
or
you
could
take
a
long
time
and
say:
there's
a
problem
and
theoretically
or
ideally
would
like
to
plan
for
this
capital
in
order
to
invest
in
this
community.
B
But
then,
while
you're
waiting,
the
programmatic
things
that
need
to
be
implemented
are
not
taking
place,
and
so
the
community
suffers.
So
if
it's
Community
centered,
then
we
Implement
more
Innovative
creative
ways
of
addressing
those
issues
on
the
ground
and
I.
Think
what
The
Advocates
are
saying
is.
It
could
be
a
partnership
with
developers
involved
as
well,
but
the
community
has
already
built
this
up
and
also
partnered
with
Boston
Foundation,
to
be
able
to
get
the
support
that
they
need
in
order
to
seed
money.
B
You
know
in
order
for
them
to
move
this
forward,
and
the
structure
that
they're
looking
at
is
a
community-led
type
of
focus
and
again
also
with
the
flexibility
of
looking
at
programmatic
issues
to
address
I
look
forward
to.
We
I
have
some
research
that
I
have
to
look
more
further
into
in
terms
of
the
power
that
the
council
has
and
I
know
that
I
I'm
a
counselor
fairly,
not
a
rookie
but
fairly
a
rookie,
but
I.
B
The
responsibility
is
mine.
To
do
the
research
and
I
can
appreciate
you
throwing
that
back
to
me.
I
will
definitely
take
that
on
I
have
some
research
that
communities
have
offered
for
me
to
look
into
in
terms
of
how
what
powers
we
have
to
for
us
to
be
able
to
expand
here.
So
again,
I
will
be
in
touch
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
ensuring
that
I
think
I
think
this
is
an
opportune
moment
and
I'm
hopeful
that
we're
going
to
get
something
beautiful
done
for
all
communities
in
need.
N
You
I'm
so
sad
I
missed
the
facilitation
but
I'm
sure
knowing
counselor
Baker,
that
he
kept
it
100
real
with
you
all
today
and
I
will
watch
the
tape,
so
I
I
kind
of
wanted
just
to
well
follow-up
question.
You
know,
since
we
have
you
here,
I'm
an
entrepreneur
at
heart
and
I
always
believe
that
the
way
that
you
learn
best
is
just
by
testing
things
out
like
doing
a
little
pilot.
N
What
lessons
do
you
think
we
could
potentially
learn
about
doing
something
like
this
in
a
smaller,
you
know,
concentrated
area
just
so
that
we
can
learn
because
I
think
you
know
I
I
believe
where
there's
a
will
there's
always
a
way
and
if
we
could
test
things
out
with
a
low
impact
right
like
it
we're
not
asking
for
the
whole
pie,
we
just
want
a
little
piece
of
it
right.
What
would
it
look
like?
Even
if
it
was
just
in
a
concentrated
area,
small
little
test
pilot?
M
At
the
very
least
you're
going
to
learn,
you
know
how
the
mechanics
actually
work
and
how
we
go
from
this
conversation
to
you
know.
This
is
something
that's
in
place.
We've
we've
gone
through
it
we've
estimated
the
revenues
and
we've
issued
a
bond,
and
that's
invaluable
experience.
I
think
for
for
the
council
for
the
administration
for
the
Assessor's
Office
in
terms
of
the
risks,
I
think
the
assessor
and
CFO
are
better
able
to
discuss
you
know.
M
N
Is
this
something
that
and
again
and
and
I
have
to
agree
with
my
colleague,
counselor
Anderson,
even
though
I've
been
on
the
council,
for
this
is
my
second
term.
It's
only
three
years,
I'm
still
kind
of
learning
my
way
around
and
I
and
I'm
still
learning
what
powers
we
have
and
we
don't
have
I
thought
I
could
do
a
lot
more
until
I
got
here,
I'm
like
what
I
can't
do
that,
so
we're
all
learning
here
and
so
I'm
just
curious.
N
M
Again,
I'll
speak
for
us
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
other
developers,
but
for
us
this
is
not
a
new
assessment.
This
is
not
additional
burden
on
developers.
This
is
carving
out
a
piece
of
you
know
typical
Market
real
estate
taxes
and
directing
it
to
a
very
specific
purpose
that
ultimately
benefits
and
enables
new
development,
new
jobs
and
new
housing
Etc.
So
I,
don't
see
a
reason
why
the
development
Community
would
be
against
this
I
think
there's
only
good
things
that
can
come
out
of
public
investment
in
infrastructure
associated
with
you
know:
net
new
development.
A
The
development
Community
could
and
should,
and
I
think
would
be
on
board
with
it,
because
they're
able
to
provide
things
that
communities
are
asking
for
that
might
be
outside
of
the
spectrum
of
what
they
would
normally
feel
comfortable
in
delivering
a
theater,
a
field
house.
You
know,
connections,
connections
that
might
not
not
be
in
planning.
You
know
I'm
looking
for
walking
paths
from
my
community
off
of
Crescent
Ave
through
and
how
do
we
get
from
Crescent
Ave
through
the
trains
through
the
highway
through
Marcy
Boulevard
over
to
this
beautiful
project?
That's
happening!
A
N
And
then
it
seems
to
what
councilor
Anderson
was
saying:
there's
also
some
community
aspirations
around
this
and
supporting
this
right.
So
it
seems
like
which
is
weird,
because
we
really
see
this,
it
seems
like
the
development
Community
potentially
could
be
on
board.
The
community
could
be
on
board.
So
now
we
just
have
to
get
everybody
else
on
board.
It
sounds
like.
A
You
for
that
Kevin
one
one
question:
we
talked
about
the
bonds
a
little
bit
and
I'm.
A
You
know
like
I'm,
not
looking
to
do
something
that
someone
has
to
keep
a
magnifying
glass
on
for
the
next
10
years
to
make
sure
that
we're
paid
attention
to
I
think
I.
Think
Maybe
I'm
going
to
abandon
that
thought.
Is
there
an
opportunity
someone
had
mentioned
over
here?
A
M
It's
an
appropriate
question:
I,
don't
know
if
the
the
diff
conversation
is
where
that
trust
can
be
enabled
I.
Think
that
you
know
setting
up
a
trust
that
has
a
fund
and
revenue
mechanisms
that
can
support
that
fund
and
there's
a
an
oversight
board
that
just
determines
where
those
funds
can
be
used.
I
think
that's
separate
from
the
diff
conversation
yeah.
M
You
know,
I
think
the
diff
has
here's
a
project,
here's
projected
revenues,
here's
the
bond
bond
gets
paid,
project
gets
done,
and
now
it's
all
about
executing
on
the
the
private
development
in
order
to
get
those
real
estate
taxes
that
can
help
pay
down
that
Bond
I,
don't
think
it
can
really
set
up
a
fund
that
just
sits
there.
Yeah.
A
I
think
that's
what
what
Jimmy
Kelly
tried
to
do
years
ago
when
the
convention
center
was
going
on,
he
was
looking
to
do
a
South,
Boston,
specific
trust
fund.
That
would
that
would
help
that
community
over
there
with
the
Lion's
Share
of
what
was
coming
in
from
the
convention
center,
but
manino
blocked
him
on
that
one,
and
it
didn't
happen
so,
but
but
that's
if
South
Boston
had
had
supports
back
then
there
might
still
be
some
salty
people
in
salty
there's.
No
salty
people
left
there.
A
You
know
there
are
some,
but
you
know
not
I'm
getting
past
it
Kevin.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
and
you
didn't
mention
your
discussion
with
Mahar
is
10.
Is
a
10
million
dollar
contribution
to
Maha?
That's
over
and
above
all
of
this,
that's
not
tied
into
any
diff.
That's
not
tied
into
any
IDP,
that's
not
tied
into
anything,
but
a
conversation
between
your
organization
and
Maha.
That's.
A
Yeah,
so
now
we
got
to
figure
out
how
we
build
the
units
that
the
people
that
are
getting
the
grants
for
first-time
buyers
can
can
get
into
that's
where
the
problem.
My
concern
is
that
10
million
dollars
is
going
to
all
be
spent
outside
of
the
city.
I
mean
good
for
the
people
that
are
able
to
find
houses
wherever
they
find
them,
but
that's
what
I
think
is
going
to
happen.
A
A
I
think
we
need
to
take
more
than
you
know
in
the
jobs.
Trust
is
fifty
thousand
fifty
thousand
all
around
the
whole
all
around
the
whole
city.
We
need
to
invest
Millions
couple
million
into
building
this
couple
million
into
building
that
Housing
Trust
even
more.
Let's
take
the
10
million
we're
getting
this
year
and
build
one
one
building
that
has
40
unit.
Well,
you
wouldn't
get
40
units
for
10
million.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
a
miracle,
but
you
know
what
I'm
saying
we
need
to
win.
A
B
The
idea
is
to
do
exactly
that
to
look
at
how
we
can
look
at
funding
for
projects
with
developers
in
order
to
build
this
Pathway
to
home
ownership,
and
if
we're,
if
they're
renters,
then
some
sort
of
like
non-profit
partnership
would
be
required
in
order
for
it
to
be
in
order
to
manage
that
transition
right
going
from
using
rental
credit
payments
as
credit
as
well
as
looking
at
you
know,
alternative
to
predatory
lending.
B
B
So
we
have
a
very
comprehensive,
hopefully
very
reasonable,
approach
to
this,
we're
looking
to
balance
people's
way
of
life,
but
also
redistributing
the
resources
so
that
in
Roxbury
the
dollars
can
stay
there.
You
could
shop
there,
you
could
live
there,
you
can
Thrive
there.
You
can
decompress
your
stressors
because
you
have
a
place
to
go
and
just
relax
after
work.
That
kind
of
thing
so
again,
I
am
excited
to
partner
with
you
in
the
future
and
I.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
thank
you.
Mr
chair
for
holding
this.
N
I
just
want
to
underscore
and
then
just
go
on
the
record,
supporting
both
of
my
colleagues
here
as
we
continue
to
have
this
conversation
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
be
fiscally
responsible
to
right,
like
we
have
a
lot
of
aspirations,
and
but
you
know
what
I
am
learning
is
sometimes
what
we
want
to
do.
N
The
the
goal
here,
at
least
for
me,
is
to
figure
out
what
is
the
the
right
balance
of
getting
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
without
upsetting
as
many
people
as
possible,
which
is
the
hardest
thing
to
do
in
in
the
world
of
politics.
N
But
I
do
think
that
these
sort
of
ideas
get
us
to
get
us
closer
to
that
sort
of
like
win-win
situation,
where
everyone
feels
seen
and
heard
and
validated
so
I
really
do
appreciate
you
all
and
and
the
efforts
that
you
have
made
through
navigating
this
process
and
to
my
colleagues
for
bringing
this
forth
I
look
forward
to
not
only
supporting
it,
but
you
already
know:
I
have
a
big
mouth,
so
I'll
be
amplifying
it
as
ever.
You
see
fit.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
councilmania
and
Kevin.
Thank
you
for
staying
with
us.
You
were
involved
in
a
lot
of
things
that
were
outside
your
purview
on
this,
so
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
and
good
job
in
your
your
work
you
did
with
with
our
diff
there.
Hopefully
we
can
get
some
consensus
and
and
moving
along
for
the
time
in
the
appropriate
time,
so
we
can
actually
capture
this
and
do
this.
A
With
that
being
said,
I
don't
see
anybody
for
public
testimony.
Is
there
anybody
on
Zoom
for
public
testimony,
nobody
on
Zoom
with
that
again
Kevin?
Thank
you
and
thank
the
the
administration
for
for
your
board
and
thank
you
for
you
were
born.
You
brought
out
this
hearing
as
a
journal.